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Regular Meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners from Oct. 16, 2018. To view the agenda, or future meeting agendas, please visit buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
A
A
We
are
grateful
for
this
day
for
our
community,
its
strength
and
diversity
for
its
natural
beauty,
for
the
natural
beauty
of
this
area
and
its
people
help
us
to
be
good.
Stewards
of
the
town
of
time
and
talent
help
us
to
live
into
our
best
selves
in
the
face
of
adversity
and
challenge
and
help
us
to
remember
that
the
call
to
leadership
is
one
of
servanthood
and
service
I'm
in.
C
D
A
All
right
before
we
begin
the
meeting
I
wanted
to
announce
that
there
is
parking
validation,
and
so,
if
you
use
the
county
parking
facilities
next
to
the
administrative
building
to
attend
this
meeting,
you
can
get
parking
validation
from
the
sheriff's
deputies
who
are
attending.
The
meeting,
who
are
here
so
feel
free
to
see
them
on
the
way
out
and
if
you
used
transit
to
get
here,
they
also
have
validation
for
transit
service
as
well.
A
So
we
wanna
make
it
easy
for
folks
to
attend
the
meeting
so
feel
free
to
to
use
that
I
want
to
read
the
ethics
reminder
to
the
board.
In
accordance
with
the
code
of
ethics
adopted
by
the
board,
all
county
commissioners
have
a
duty
to
obey
all
applicable
laws
regarding
official
actions
to
uphold
the
integrity
and
independence
of
the
office,
to
avoid
impropriety
in
the
exercise
of
official
duties
to
faithfully
perform
the
duties
of
the
office
and
to
conduct
the
affairs
of
the
governing
board
in
an
open
and
public
manner.
A
Is
there
any
item
on
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
would
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board?
Member?
Does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board?
Today,
there
being
none
all
board,
members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
any
matters
voted
on
by
the
board
tonight.
A
All
right
we
come
to
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
sent
agenda
with
the
addition
that
we
discussed
in
the
preemie
ting
to
include
Atlanta
pyrotechnics
at
location,
Grove
Park
in
October,
27th
2018?
Regarding
the
resolution
approving
pyrotechnic
experts
for
conducting
fireworks,
displays
item.
E
A
F
G
F
This
Scott
Mashburn
transfer,
truck
driver
transfer
station
and
Nick
Edmonds
he's
our
transfer
station
manager
so
to
tookie-tookie
people
and
what
what
makes
our
programs
function
and
happen
and
be
as
efficient
and
safe
as
we
are
so
thankful
thankful
to
be
here
tonight,
especially
on
the
good
news
section.
So
I
want
to
talk
about
Scott
and
brag
on
him
and
his
recent
accomplishments.
F
Earlier
this
year
in
a
State
held
so
on,
a
rodeo
competition
Scott
was
able
to
come
away
with
second
place
at
the
state
level.
That
was
it
Raleigh,
wouldn't
it
Scott
early
this
year
so
that
secured
his
spot
at
the
international
level,
and
so
last
month,
Scott
traveled,
Scott
and
Nick
travel
out
to
Denver
Colorado,
and
they
had
a
little
bit
of
advantage
on
us.
You
know
the
altitude
elevation,
it's
just
an
example
how
this
country
boys
can
adapt.
F
F
Scott's
worked
for
the
county
for
close
to
13
years
now,
and
it's
God
now
and
he's
I'll
tell
you
he's
a
pleasure
to
work
with.
He
is
just
one
example
of
the
great
people
we
have
in
this
department
and
as
as
good
as
he
is
to
work
with
he's
as
good
or
better
a
truck
driver
as
he
was
able
to
show
so
again.
Thank
you
for
the
time
we're
proud
of
Scott.
Thank
you
for
sharing
this
with
us
and
congratulations.
Scott.
A
All
right
next
up,
we
have
Joshua
Conner
with
us
who
is
going
to
talk
about
the
Buncombe
County
Recreation,
Services
tourism,
product
development
fund
capital,
request
that
the
county
has
put
forward
for
consideration
for
the
inka
recreational
destination
and
inca
heritage
trail
project,
so
Josh
thanks
for
being
with
us
all
right,
it
looks
like
you've
got
a
team
as
well.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
and
tell
us
of
give
us
an
update
on
this
great
project.
Okay,
if
I.
H
Can
get
max
to
load
the
PowerPoint
I'm
gonna
run
y'all
through
what
we're
doing
with
the
Sports
Park
and
the
surrounding
facilities
and
give
you
an
idea
of
what
the
project
entails.
This
is
the
inca
recreation
destination,
that's
kind
of
a
package
that
we've
put
everything
in
for
the
tourism
product
development
fund,
application
that
we
made
to
the
Buncombe
County,
Tourism
and
Development
Authority.
H
So
this
is
just
a
map
of
what
we've
already
got
going
on
at
the
Inca
site,
the
former
BASF
plant
and
some
of
the
additional
industries
that
have
taken
over
that
space.
As
time
has
progressed,
it
shows,
what's
there
now
and
a
little
bit
of
what
we
proposed
to
be
there,
but
I'm
gonna
skip
past
that
month,
because
we've
got
a
better
one
here
in
a
couple
of
slides.
These
are
the
current
conditions
at
the
Sports
Park.
Earlier
this
year
after
the
John
B
Lewis
Soccer
Complex
was
flooded.
H
We
started
to
have
a
capacity
problem
at
the
Sports
Park
because
we're
now
taking
on
a
lot
of
the
soccer
and
recreational
demand
that
was
formerly
placed
at
that
facility.
So
this
is
over
Father's
Day
weekend
a
pretty
sizable
crowd.
Over
that
weekend,
we
hosted
about
10,000
people
at
the
Sports
Park,
the
the
overall
event
represented
about
2300
room
nights
for
the
Monken
County
Tourism
and
Development
Authority.
H
As
you
can
see
in
this
picture,
those
are
some
of
the
capacity
issues
that
we're
already
having
we're
having
to
jam
too
many
people
into
the
sports
park
in
the
two
small
amount
of
time.
So
one
of
the
ideas
that
we
have-
and
you
have
this
map
or
should
have
this
map
in
your
packet-
was
to
expand
our
functionality
at
the
Sports
Park
by
adding
lights,
which
would
extend
the
number
of
hours.
H
We
could
play
a
day
and
turfing
three
of
the
fields
which
would
make
the
fields
that
are
only
available
six
months
out
of
the
year
currently
because
of
grass
conditions
and
having
to
allow
those
to
set
and
regrow
year-round.
So
we're
really
expanding
our
capacity
to
be
a
year-round
generator
of
sports
tourism
and
expanding
what
we
can
we
can
host
there.
In
addition
to
those
soccer
field,
expansions
we've
also
taken
the
opportunity
to
include
some
things
that
have
been
pretty
frequently
requested
by
our
Sports
Park
users.
H
So
items
see
on
this
map,
we
have
a
dog
park.
That's
probably
one
of
our
number
one
new
requests
that
we
we
currently
don't
have
in
our
inventory,
with
Buncombe
County
Recreation
Services
see
we
have
items
G,
H
and
I,
which
are
in
the
southeast
corner
of
that
map.
That's
gonna
add
a
new
recreation
field
to
take
over
the
capacity
that
we're
displacing
from
the
turf
field,
so
we're
taking
away
one
community
space
by
turfing
a
field
that
one's
going
to
be
in
competition.
H
More
we're
adding
a
new
community
play
space
external
to
the
sports
park,
so
we
have
a
space
that
people
can
play
on,
even
if
they're
not
involved
in
formal
leagues,
we're
also
adding
a
four-way
interactive
soccer
court,
which
I,
don't
believe
I
have
a
picture
of
in
this
this
presentation,
but
that
allows
people
with
varying
mobility
capacities
to
play
any
type
of
field
sport
on
a
small
course,
something
that
is
interactive.
We
can
reprogram
it
and
do
a
number
of
things
with
it.
H
We're
also
adding
a
sports
agility
course
to
add
to
our
sports
or
training
capacities
at
the
Sports
Park.
One
of
the
things
that
seems
this
whole
project
together
is
about
a
two-mile
section
of
Greenway
that
I'll
follow
along
hominy
Creek
it'll
connect
the
Buncombe
County
Sports
Park,
with
the
newly
constructed
Bob
Lewis
ballpark
I,
don't
allow
people
to
go
between
the
two
facilities
and
there's
some
guarantees
for
parking
and
some
things
that
really
pump
up
our
capacity
out
there.
H
This
map
is
cutting
off
a
little
bit
just
a
different
view
on
some
of
the
the
changes
out
there.
The
fields
that
we're
turfing
our
fields,
eight
one
and
two,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
Buncombe,
County,
Sports,
Park
or
those
of
the
field
shown
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
and
we've
just
got
some
more
detail
in
this
map.
The
big
thing
that
I
would
point
out
is
along
the
creek
and
the
map.
That's
on
the
Left.
H
H
The
funding
for
this
project
USA
Commission
dedicated
1.2
million
dollars
that
allowed
us
to
pursue
a
four
point:
eight
million
dollar
grant
from
the
federal
highway
administration.
We
use
that
money
to
leverage
or
six
million
dollar
ask
from
the
TDA's
towards
tourism
product
development
fund.
They
do
require
a
50
percent
match
so
that
one
point
two
million
dollars.
We
were
able
to
accumulate
some
capital
and
go
for
a
larger
match
for
an
overall
twelve
million
dollar
project.
This
is
what
we're
attempting
to
build
out
here.
H
So
10%
county
money,
90
percent
external
money,
allowed
us
to
achieve
a
pretty
large
project.
This
is
just
a
rundown
of
the
things
that
we're
adding.
We've
got
the
three
turf
fields:
lighting
for
the
turf
fields,
also
lighting
at
the
Bob
Lewis
ballpark.
Now
that
that
facility
is
complete,
they
understand
they
could
add
about
30%
more
capacity
by
adding
lighting.
H
There
will
be
adding
some
natural
surface
trails
to
allow
people
to
circulate
to
the
parks,
easier
increase,
the
handicap,
accessibility
of
the
entire
facility
additional
parking,
some
challenge
courses,
a
new
picnic
pavilion,
that's
connected
to
our
existing
orchard
space
at
the
Sports
Park
and
our
community
garden
that'll
also
offer
Wi-Fi
capacity.
The
dog
park
that
I
mentioned
restrooms
up
at
field
9.
H
Currently
we
have
about
a
half
mile
gap
where,
if
you're
at
the
top
of
a
sports
park,
you've
got
to
walk
a
half
mile
down
to
the
bottom
or
get
in
your
car
and
drive
down
to
the
restroom,
so
we're
fixing
that
problem,
which
will
make
some
of
our
fields
available
for
more
play
and
then
the
new
Recreation
quality
field
I
spoke
about.
The
Inka
Heritage
Trail
will
include
two
bridge
crossings
over
how
many
creeks
and
two
miles
of
Greenway.
H
Our
preferred
timeline
for
the
project,
if
we're
awarded
the
money
from
the
tourism
product
development
fund,
we'd
like
to
begin
installation
on
turf,
because
it's
such
an
immediate
community
need
as
early
as
2019
we've
been
working
with
Asheville
Buncombe
youth
soccer
association
to
develop
some
plans
that
would
allow
us
to
retire
soon
as
the
spring
season's
over
and
bring
that
capacity
online
at
the
end
of
summer.
2019,
if
all
goes
according
to
plan.
So
with
that
I
can
take
any
questions
that
you
might
have
on
the
projector.
C
The
trail
is
different
than
anything
that
we've
done
in
Buncombe
County,
it's
an
educational
trail,
so
it's
going
to
have
as
as
Josh
mentioned,
the
Cherokee
River
cane
and
the
protection
of
that
and
the
location
of
those
things
is
a
is
a
is
a
really
big
deal
in
bringing
the
community
in
Cherokee
and
an
Inca
Candler
and
bringing
the
people
that
that
live
between
those
areas,
bringing
them
together.
That's
it's!
It's
a
really
big
big
deal
historically
and
culturally.
The
the
Inka
Heritage
Trail
I,
commend
you
on
the
the
logo.
It's
great.
C
C
They
will
be
able
to
learn
about
the
foliage
in
area
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
learn
about
the
history
of
Inka
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
learn
about
hominid
Valley
as
well
as
it
is
a
Cherokee
River
cane
and
the
way
that
the
Commission
went
about
seeking
funding
on
it.
We
do
have
the
FHWA
grant.
It
is
we
that
has
been
approved,
correct,
sir
okay,
and
so
the
the
only
part
that's
left
is
for
the
TPDF
to
you
know,
step
up
and
deliver
and
I'm.
You
know,
I
think
they
will
that's
great.
I
C
One
two
so
but
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
be
able
to
do
this
tonight
and
we've
got
some
people
from
from
the
community
out
there
in
the
audience.
I
appreciate
them
coming
coming.
Also,
so
it's
a
big
expansion.
We
need
those
turf
fields
out.
There
I
mean
the
other
soccer
fields
are
underwater
right.
C
A
A
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
support.
Of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
other
projects
competing
for
resources
too,
so,
but
the
great
job
putting
the
county
a
great
position
for
that
project.
I
think
it's
smooth
one
of
best
projects
we've
got
going
on
in
the
county,
so
it's
exciting
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
right.
Thanks,
Josh.
H
H
All
right
now,
just
introduce
everybody
really
quick,
I've
got
Chris
bubonic
he's
really
spearheading
the
marketing
and
communications
for
this
project.
We've
got
Angie.
She
keeps
me
straight
on
the
the
finances.
Carla
is
our
green
waste
planner,
so
she's
had
to
hear
about
this
project
for
quite
some
time.
When
is
she
handles
all
the
programming
needs
and
logistics
for
herself
planning?
H
Something
like
this
and
Mac
gets
to
be
yeah
the
fall
guy,
where
we
send
him
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
to
put
out
equipment,
but
he's
got
a
lot
of
good
knowledge
about
the
Sports
Park
in
the
maintenance
level
of
our
facilities,
and
we've
also
got
Jeff
who's
hiding
out
in
the
back
who's.
Who's
helped
out
with
some
of
the
project.
H
Cost
and
estimations
Nate's
had
a
lot
of
knowledge
as
the
playing
director
that
he's
contributed
to
the
project
and
and
then
Tim's
helped
us
nail
the
economic
development
pieces
as
well
so
and
also
recognize
the
the
efforts
of
the
communication
team
that
helped
get
the
word
out
about
everything.
So
thank
y'all
very
much
all.
A
J
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
and
board
members:
it's
always
tough
to
follow
the
good
news
presentations
with
potentially
more
dry
business,
so
we
thought
we'd,
give
you
a
fun
handout
to
try
to
bridge
the
divide
there.
Mr.
Finch
really
just
passed
out
a
copy
of
our
draft
procurement
manual,
which
we'll
be
talking
about,
and
we've
got
a
presentation
for
you
to
cue
up
so
I'm.
My
name
is
Dustin
Clark
I'm,
with
the
Buncombe
County
finance
department
and
with
me,
is
mr.
J
Ron
Ventrella,
who
is
the
procurement
manager
for
Buncombe,
County
and
I
just
wanted
to
start
off
by
by
saying
thank
you
to
mr.
wood
for
some
of
his
guidance
early
on
in
getting
us
geared
in
this
direction
to
our
policy
review
team
who's
done
a
lot
of
the
background
work
on
this,
and
also
to
all
the
departmental
staff
and
directors
who
I
know
at
this
point
are
very
tired
of
us
asking
for
their
feedback
and
to
read
really
long
policy.
J
J
So
why
do
we
feel
like
we
need
to
update
policies?
Policies
are
key
to
the
internal
control
environment,
and
so
you
know,
we
think
that
having
good
strong
policies
is
important
to
maintaining
a
good,
strong
internal
control
environment.
Making
these
proposed
changes
in
the
manual
we
feel
like
improves
that
environment
and
also
addresses
any
gaps
that
we
may
have
identified
through
just
continual
evaluation
that
we're
we're
always
doing.
J
So,
to
start
off
we'll
talk
about
the
contracts
policy.
The
purpose
of
this
policy
is
to
create
a
policy
and
procedure
for
the
creation,
execution,
evaluation,
monitoring
and
retention
of
contracts
in
the
county.
This
is
pretty
fundamental
stuff.
We
have
not
had
a
countywide
contracts
policy
to
my
knowledge-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
gap
that
I
think
a
few
folks
have
have
made
some
strides
toward
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
done
on
this
front
by
other
people.
J
We
picked
up
on
on
a
lot
of
prior
work,
Tim
love
and
some
other
folks
in
the
room
have
worked
on
this
in
the
past,
and
so
the
point
is
just
to
have
a
countywide
policy
governing
contracts.
Some
departments
have
had
some
policies
on
their
own,
but
you
know
the
major
points
we
want
to
cover
here.
Are
you
know?
Who
has
the
authority
to
sign
contracts?
Are
we
are
we
following
that
signature,
Authority
and
and
monitoring
effectively?
What
do
we
require
in
contracts?
J
And
what
process
must
all
contracts
go
through
in
the
county
once
again,
fundamentals
here,
but
it
was
a
gap
that
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
address.
So
contract
signature
Authority,
you
know
once
again
basics,
but
contracts
may
only
be
signed
by
authorized
employees
that
authorization
is
derived
solely
from
the
Board
of
County
Commissioners.
J
So
I
there's
a
contract
control
process
that
we
established
with
this
policy,
which
simply
covers
who's
responsible
for
following
contracts
through
through
the
process
who
needs
to
be
included
for
review
and
approval.
So
that
could
be
legal
finance
for
a
pre
audit
check
to
make
sure
the
funds
are
there
risk
review
to
make
sure
that
proper
indemnification
is
applied
and
then
how
contracts
should
be
stored,
monitored,
amended.
J
One
of
the
issues
that
we've
had
is
we've
been
pretty
decentralized
and
so
there's
not
been
a
single
source
or
repository
for
our
contracts,
which
is
you
know,
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
where
your
contracts
are.
It
makes
it
a
lot
easier
if
they're,
all
kind
of
in
one
place
one
system
that
you
can
you
can
access.
So
this
would
require
that
and,
as
part.
C
Okay,
so
on
contract
review,
you
know
I'm
interested
in
where
okay,
once
a
once,
a
contract
is
negotiated
prior
to
signing.
What's
what's
the
what's
the
what's,
the
pre
audit,
you
know,
does
someone
in
the
you
know
out
of
department
review
that
is
someone
independent
of
the
department
reviewing
that
you
know,
what's
the
what's
the
check
and
balance
on
the
on
the
signature
there
so.
J
The
pre
audit
step
on
this
slide
would
refer
to
by
state
statute.
The
finance
officer
for
the
county
has
to
basically
check
and
make
sure
the
funds
are
available
and
in
the
budget
before
we
execute
any
contracts,
we
can't
spend
money
that
we
don't
have.
So
that's
what
this
refers
to.
So,
as
you
know,
these
contracts
would
be
generated
by
you
know.
A
department
would
have
a
need
for
a
service
or
a
good.
J
They
would
work
with
a
vendor
or
supplier
to
author
a
contract
and
then
negotiate
the
terms
of
the
contract,
and
then
that
would
go
through
their
review
for
the
you
know,
for
the
department
that
might
be
their
department.
Director
could
also
go
through
the
finance
department.
We
get
eyes
on
it
and
say
yes,
the
funds
are
there
or
not.
J
Legal
and
risk
would
also
be
involved
to
check
and
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
order
with
the
contract,
language
and
then,
depending
on
the
amount,
it
would
go
for
signature
and
that
could
come
all
the
way
to
the
board.
So
the
board
is
the
only
body
in
some
cases
that
has
the
authority
to
sign,
or
that
could
be.
If
it's
a
small
contract,
it
could
be
just
the
department
director.
C
J
C
J
J
This
will
take
us
to
one
system
to
manage
these
contracts
and
create
approval,
workflows
that
make
auditing
much
much
easier,
and
so
this
is
I
think
a
huge
step
forward
to
being
more
transparent
with
our
contracting
as
well,
but
also
making
sure
that
it's
following
policy,
so
that
takes
us
out
of
the
contract
policy.
The
whole
policy
is
in
in
the
packet,
but
another
big
policy
in
this
packet,
which
is
pretty
new,
is
the
procurement
policy.
We
had
a.
J
We
had
a
purchasing
policy,
so
I
don't
want
to
imply
that
we
didn't
we've
kind
of
reshaped
that
and
made
it
a
little
bit
more
comprehensive,
renamed
it
and,
and
and
we'll
talk
about
those
changes
a
little
bit
as
well.
But
the
point
of
this
policy
is
to
guide
all
bunkum
county
employees
who
are
responsible
for
obtaining
you
know,
apparatus
supplies
services,
anything
that
they
need
to
acquire.
J
So
the
first
thing
that
we
did
when
we
looked
at
this
policy
was
try
to
reorganize
it
and
simplify
it
in
a
way
that
was
a
little
easier
to
follow.
So
we
condensed
all
that
content
and
re.
You
know
refreshed
it
into
a
structure
that
we
think
follows
the
way
people
conduct
business.
So
you
know
what
what
do
you
need
to
buy?
How
do
you
need
to
buy?
It
essentially
follow
that
workflow.
So
hopefully
it's
just
a
lot
more
usable,
because
this
is
something
that
folks
need
to
be
referencing
and
their
daily
work.
J
So
roles
and
responsibilities
with
procurement
are
very
important.
Historically,
our
procurement
processes
have
been
fairly
decentralized
and
there
are
some
pros
and
cons
to
that
approach.
We
feel
like
the
policy
changes
that
we're
proposing
here
increased
the
role
of
central
administration,
which
we
think
can
can
be
a
better
partner
in
monitoring,
while
trying
to
also
maintain
departmental
flexibility.
J
So
try
to
go
through
this.
This
is
there's
guidance
in
this
policy
by
the
type
of
purchase.
That's
broken
out
this
way,
because
this
is
the
way
state
law
refers
to
purchasing
requirements.
You
see
a
slide
over
there
on
the
right,
I'm
gonna
jump
in
and
go
through
each
of
the
four
categories
that
the
state
uses,
so
first
up
would
be
purchases
of
goods,
supplies,
materials
and
equipment.
These
are
kind
of
tangible
things
that
you
might
need
to
buy
on
the
Left.
We
have
the
state's
requirements.
J
This
is
what
they
mandate
so
from
$0
to
$30,000.
The
state
is
not
required
to
do
any
bidding
and
that
means
getting
quotes
or
prices
from
30
to
90
thousand
and
they
require
an
informal
bidding
process.
So,
like
request
for
proposals
and
then
over
that
dollar
threshold
there's
a
formal
bidding
process
they
require,
and
so
we've
tried
to
demonstrate
on
the
right
what
our
policy
is
is
requiring
so
from
0
to
$5,000.
You
know,
still
no
bidding
is
required,
but
authorized
staff
are
allowed
to
make
those
authorizations
from
5,000
to
30,000.
J
That
requires
the
county
manager
or
a
county
manager
delegate,
which
would
be
typically
a
department
director
to
authorize
from
30
to
90
same
level
of
authorization
and
then
from
90
and
above
we're,
adding
a
notification
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
provide
more
information
to
you
all
on
large
purchases
that
are
going
on
in
the
county.
This
could
be
in
any
format
that
you
would
like.
J
What
we
would
propose
is
just
a
simple
report
out
on
the
consent
agenda
that
way
it's
in
a
public,
publicly
accessible
area,
and
it's
it's
available
to
you
all
in
a
recurring
format,
so
no
actions
required,
but
that
information
is
out
there
and
we
think
that
helps
improve
transparency
so
moving
into
the
next
category.
This
is
construction
or
repair.
These
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger
project
in
nature.
J
For
architects
engineers
surveyors
design
and
build
or
construction
managers
at
risk,
the
state's
pretty
wide
open
on
the
dollar
thresholds.
They
do
require
the
use
of
a
qualification
based
election
process
or
a
request
for
cult
qualifications,
and
but
what
we've
done
is
we've
added
some
different
levels
of
approval
here
outside
of
what
the
state
has
required
so
from
0
to
$50,000.
The
state
actually
allows
you
to
exempt
out
on
the
qualification
process,
so
we've
kept
the
authorization
at
the
county
manager
or
delegate
level,
but
for
anything
over
50,000.
J
We
think
the
board
should
have
maybe
some
more
insight
into
that.
So
the
board
can
delegate
that
if
they
choose,
if
they
do
not
choose,
then
it
would
require
the
board
to
take
action
on
those
and
then
anything
over
90,000.
Once
again,
keeping
with
that
$90,000
threshold
we've
hit
on
a
few
times
would
require
the
board
to
approve,
in
this
case.
A
Have
a
question
from
the
15
to
90,
where
it's
the
Board
of
Commissioners
or
a
delegate,
so
for
a
particular,
you
know
decision
to
hire
someone
either
the
Commission
would
have
to
decide
or
we
would
have
to
in
that
particular
circumstance,
delegate
it
to
the
manager
or
some
other
appropriate
person
in
the
organization.
I
think.
J
We've
left
this
open
and
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
you
could
do
a
blanket
delegation
and
say
we
aren't
interested
in
doing
this
or
you
could
do
it
case-by-case
whatever
would
be
the
preference
of
the
board.
The
frequency
of
those
rfqs
is
not
extremely
high,
but
it
is
a
little
higher
than
the
$90,000
threshold.
So
there's
the
chance
that
you
could
become
kind.
G
J
A
K
K
L
B
J
L
K
And
let
me
say
this:
there
is
a
provision
in
here
and
it's
in
state
law
that
if
there
were
an
emergency,
we
could
authorize
a
higher
amount
on
a
mundane
basis
and
then
I
would
report
that
to
you
and
explain
to
you
why
that
was
an
emergency.
You
can't
let
people
abused
it,
which
is
why
you
want
the
manager
to
have
to
sign
off
on
it.
J
Then
the
final
fourth
category
here
would
be
services
and
the
state
that
so
that's,
basically
everything
that's
not
covered
in
the
first
three
categories.
Once
again,
the
state
pretty
wide
open
here,
no
real
thresholds
defined
no
bidding
requirements
for
services
contracts.
So
we
want
to
try
to
add
a
little
structure
to
that
so
from
zero
to
5,000
staff.
Have
the
ability
to
try
to
offer
to
authorize
those
transactions
from
five
to
ninety
County
manager
or
delegate
of
the
county
manager?
J
Has
the
authorization
and
we're
not
requiring
any
bidding
on
those
contracts,
but
for
90
or
above
a
little
bit
of
a
change
here,
we
would
like
to
strongly
encourage
requests
for
proposals
for
things
over
that
dollar
amount.
That's
a
fairly
significant
dollar
amount.
There
are
cases
where
a
request
for
proposal
getting
prices
for
those
contracts
as
a
requirement
does
it
make
sense
a
lot
of
Human
Services
contracts,
the
continuum
of
service
is
paramount
and
trying
to
get
an
RFP
doesn't
really
yield
any
benefit.
So
there
are
some
exceptions
to
that.
J
G
J
So
that
concludes
the
procurement
policy.
There's
there's
a
lot
more
content
in
there,
but
I
didn't
want
to
go
through
all
of
it.
The
time
we
have
so
this
brings
us
to
the
procurement
manual,
which
is
a
little
bit
new.
This
is
taking
all
procurement
related
policies
and
putting
them
into
a
single
document.
Reasons
for
doing
that
is
it
just
makes
it
easier
to
train
folks
on
what
these
policies
are,
makes
it
easier
to
access
these.
J
So
if
I
want
to
share
these
policies
with,
you
know
you
or
the
order,
the
public,
that's
one
place
to
point
folks
as
opposed
to
several,
and
it
also
makes
them
easier
to
use.
This
can
be
a
desk
reference
or
a
shortcut
on
someone's
computer,
as
opposed
to
you
know
six
or
seven
policies
that
folks
have
to
navigate
through.
So
this
manual
includes
the
two
we
just
talked
about
contracts
and
procurement,
along
with
some
other
policies.
J
We've
already
talked
about
this
year:
procurement
cards,
meals
and
meetings,
travel
in
addition
to
surplus
property
policy
that
we
also
have,
which
are
usually
grouped
into
procurement
manuals
and
then
another
really
important
component
of
this
manual.
Is
we
would
like
for
this
to
be
adopted
by
the
board,
and
so
that's
this
is
an
introduction
to
this
manual
and
I'd
like
to
kick
off
a
period
of
time
where
we
have
a
chance
to
review
and
form
some
questions,
but
ultimately,
we'd
want
to
be
coming
back
to
you
all
to
adopt
this
manual
as
official
County
policy.
J
And
so
that's
that's
our
next
steps.
We've
introduced
the
manual
we'll
take
any
questions
you
have
at
this
moment,
but
we'll
be
looking
for
feedback,
we'll
incorporate
that
feedback
and
make
any
updates
that
comes
out
of
it
and
then
come
back
to
you
all
for
an
adoption
and
purchasing
at
Buncombe.
County
org
is
an
email
address
that
you
or
anyone
can
use
and
I.
Think
Ron
and
myself
will
be
available
one-on-one.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
you'd
like
to
talk
about
the
details,
we're
definitely
around.
So
we
look
forward
to
that.
K
Mr.
chairman,
if
I
could
just
make
a
couple
of
comments,
I
think
y'all
can
see
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
a
consistent
policy
across
all
departments.
The
other
thing
is,
it's
very
important
to
stress
that
we
want
you
to
adopt
it
because
we
want
it
made
perfectly
clear.
This
is
not
an
administrative
policy
done
by
the
county
manager.
This
is
done
by
you
and
nobody
can
change
it
without
a
vote
of
the
board.
K
G
A
A
That's
not
you
know,
that's
it's
less
more
flexible
than
with
the
state
allows,
but
we
can
make
it
more.
We
can
require
more
make
it
more
stringent
in
the
state,
but
it's
not
less
right.
So
they
set
forth
minimum
criteria
for
approving
contracts
of
various
kinds.
That's
correct.
We
can
have
them
be
more
stringent.
It's
not.
A
Okay
and
specifically
on
the
the
architects
engineers
surveyors
construction
manager
at
risk.
That's
one
area
where
this
North
Carolina
General
statute
is
actually
very
provides
a
great
deal
of
flexibility
right.
It's
basically
you
can.
You
don't
have
to
bid
it,
you
can
choose
it
based
on
qualifications
and
it's
uncapped.
So
that's
an
area
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
direction
from
the
state
about
about
how
to
do
that.
It's
it's
one
of
the
more
open-ended
areas
is
that
right
can.
K
Well
it
it
is
to
a
degree,
but
as
you
get
into
the
details
of
the
different
types
of
construction
process
and
small,
the
CMA
CMA
are
processed
construction
manager
at
risk
process
is
actually
spelled
out
in
pretty
good
detail
in
state
law,
but
you
are
right
as
far
as
the
thresholds
and
everything,
but
the
process
itself
is
very
detailed
and
you
have
to
go
exactly
by
that,
and
the
thing
I
would
stress
to
the
board
is,
and
it's,
and
it
has
it
in
here
is
anytime.
We
would
use
that
process.
K
A
I
mean
I,
like
the
recommendation.
You've
got
a
lot
but
I'm
just
I'm,
just
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
your
recommendation
is
and
what
the
North
Carolina
General
statute
is,
which
doesn't
ever
require
Commission
approval.
I
mean
that's
I
mean
just
to
that's
the
situation
where
the
the
Weizmann
contract
just
kind
of
went
on
and
on,
and
but
it
was
never
state
law
never
required
a
contract
like
that
to
be
approved
by
the
board
cause.
It
falls
under
this
category.
Yeah.
K
What
they
did
there
was
more
or
less
a
multi-year
contract.
You
know
we
and
we
have
that
with
the
successor
to
them,
but
we
have
to
come
to
you
with
every
new
task
under
that
project
and
we
will
come
to
you
with
every
task
fact.
We
came
to
you
before
one's
run.
What
he
said
him
under
dollars
did
is
I
want
y'all
to
know
every
time
we
enter
into
a
contract
on
something
like
that,
all
right,
but.
B
K
C
C
Of
everybody-
and
that's
that's,
that's
what
I
really
like
about
and
I
think
the
I
think
the
ninety
thousand
fair-
and
you
know
we
may
cut
as
commissioner
fryers
stating
we
may,
we
may
cry
on
call
on
a
couple
things,
and
maybe
your
tittle
or
lab
will
want
to
tweak
it.
But
you
know
it's
it's
a
really
good
job
and
it
puts
the
it
puts
that
safeguard
in
place
that
the
public
wants
and
expects
and
should
have
yeah.
K
And
and
the
one
other
comment
I
would
make
on
this-
is
you're
always
going
to
have
some
natural
tension
between
operating
departments
and
Finance
and
purchasing,
because
an
operating
department
wants
to
get
the
job
done
and
they
want
to
go
by
the
part.
Yesterday,
yeah
you
know,
and
so
so
to
a
lot
of
people
that
are
in
a
rush
on
that.
K
All
of
this
is
a
nuisance,
but
you've
got
to
have
these
in
order
to
make
sure
you
followed
state
law
and
that
you
have
a
clear-cut
policy
on
how
you
want
things
done
so
that
we
aren't
just
out
there,
everybody
doing
their
own
thing,
and
so,
but
that's
not
to
say
you
aren't
going
to
hear
a
little
bit
of
blowback,
occasionally
because
that's
just
a
natural
I
won't
say
animosity,
but
a
natural
tension
between
them
between
the
two,
because
they
they
have
a
little
bit
of
different
mindset.
Yep.
J
K
Don't
we
schedule
it
for
November
20th,
because
it's
only
two
weeks
till
the
October
30th
meeting
and
we
want
you
to
read
through
this
thoroughly
and
make
sure
if
you've
got
any
questions,
we'd
like
to
go
back
through
it
and
make
sure.
And
then
we
could
put
it
on
over
the
twentieth.
We'd
be
ready
to
go
because
our
departments
and.
G
A
B
A
K
The
one
thing
I
did
want
to
tell
you
is
that
yesterday,
I
hired
Cataldo
perón
is
our
new
communications
director
I
think
he's
in
the
back
there
and
as
y'all
know,
he
already
works
in
our
communications
department,
but
we
had
four
finalists
for
that
all
within
the
department
we
interviewed
all
of
Margaret
and
I
did
last
week
and
we're
pleased
to
have
selected
Cataldo
I
think
he'll
do
a
great
job
for
us.
Congratulations.
K
You
your
work,
okay,
work
and,
with
that
I
believe,
we've
filled
all
of
the
vacant
positions.
At
this
point
we
had
a
flurry
of
hiring
last
week
and
the
week
before
so
unless
Jim's
aware
something
I'm,
not
I,
think
we
filled
all
of
our
key
slots
with
the
one
exception
of
the
county
manager,
and
course
you
all
had
your
meeting
with
mr.
Slavin
last
week,
I
thought
that
vent
went
very
well.
He
did
email
me.
The
advertisement
yesterday
late
yesterday
asked
me
to
review
it
and
he
wanted
to
get
it
out
today.
A
Very
good:
okay,
we
come
to
old
business.
The
first
item
is
a
yes
ma'am
I'm
skipped
it.
Thank
you
very
much
to
catch
I
write
over
that.
We
do
need
to
hold
a
proposed
hearing
on
the
proposed
FY
2020
annual
section
5311
administrative
and
capital
grant
applications
to
be
submitted
to
the
North
Carolina
Department
of
Transportation
for
mountain
mobility
and
Matt
Cable
will
present
this
out
of
Matt
thanks
for
being
with
us,
Thank.
N
N
These
are
applications
that
we
make
to
the
North
Carolina
Department
of
Transportation
for
state
and
federal
funds
that
are
used
to
support
the
administrative
and
capital
functions
of
mountain
mobility,
which
is
Buncombe
counties,
communicate
community
transportation
system,
mount
mobility
for
those
who
may
not
be
aware
in
the
public
serves
senior
adults,
persons
with
disabilities,
clients
of
Human
Services
agencies
and
the
general
public
through
both
demand
responsive
services.
That's
our
door-to-door
service,
as
well
as
deviated
fixed
route
services.
N
There
is
including
the
materials
you
received,
a
summary
of
the
grant
application
which
details
the
amount
of
state
and
federal
funds
which
are
being
applied
for
and
the
local
match
that
is
required
for
the
administrative
grant.
It's
a
total
of
85
percent
federal
and
state
funds,
combined
with
a
15
percent,
match
the
local
match
being
just
over
56,000
for
a
total
fund
or
grant
funding
of
three
hundred
and
twenty
one
thousand.
N
For
those
funds,
the
funds
are
used
to
support
a
number
of
things,
including
administrative
staff
and
contract
costs,
employee
development
and
training
costs
associated
with
mountain
mobility,
vehicle
operators,
drug
and
alcohol
testing
for
the
vehicle
operators,
vehicle
insurance
technology
facility
costs,
etc
under
the
combined
capital
grant.
This
is
an
eighty
percent
federal
and
ten
percent
state
fund
with
ten
percent
local
match
required.
This
is
for
a
single
vehicle
replacement
in
the
fiscal
year
2020,
as
well
as
replacement
of
two
mobile
radio
units.
N
A
O
I
have
a
very
simple
mind
and
that
be
photos.
People
sometimes
I've
asked
for
this
before
I'll
ask
for
it
again.
I
know:
Mountain
Mobility
serves
a
purpose
I'd
like
to
see
the
routes
they
run
and
the
number
of
people
on
each
route
based
upon
weekly
usage,
which
would
give
you
your
annual
transportation
and
I'd
like
to
know
that,
so
we
would
know
what
we
are
filling
in
the
gap,
we're
filling
if
it's
available
somewhere.
Please
let
me
know
if
it's
not,
then
it
should
be.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
All
right
now
we
come
to
consideration
of
the
annual
sale,
Lee
sale
of
annual
leave
policy.
We
as
an
item
we
discussed
in
our
last
Commission
meeting,
and
we
wanted
some
additional
information.
So
Curt
Euler
is
here
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
additional
information
and
before
we
decide
what
the
Commission
policy
will
be
going
forward.
Q
Q
That's
when
we
first
started
having
significant
leave
sales,
you
could
see
that
for
people
under
10
years
of
service
there
was
that
you
could
convert
up
to
five
days
and
people
over
10
years
could
convert
up
to
15
days.
That
was
amended
in
August
of
2012,
where
you
could
convert
it
up
to
three
weeks
in
five-day
increments.
But
you
must
take
five
days
off
and
then
finally,
then
you
see
in
2015
it
was
amended
again
to
where
you
can
convert
any
increment
and
balance
of
eight
hours,
but
you
would
have
to
take
five
days
off.
Q
Q
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
all
of
ideas.
How
much
was
being
spent
average
cost
is
about
per
year
over
a
five-year
average.
Is
one
point:
four:
six:
if
you
take
out
the
highest
leaves
seller.
That
average
goes
down
to
about
1.4
million
dollars
a
year,
as
you
can
see
for
2017
and
18.
So
far,
we've
been
pretty
consistent,
so
the
questions
you
all
asked
is
how
much
money
I
think
Commissioner
Whitesides
asks
how
much
money
would
we
save
if
we
totally
did
away
with
annual
leave
sales
in
terms
of
an
immediate
amount?
Q
That
would
be
about
1.4
million
dollars.
That
would
loan,
but
also
I,
want
to
make
a
point
that
people
we,
the
county,
is
obligated
to
pay
people
for
their
annual
leaves.
So
when
they
leave
the
county,
the
county
is
going
to
have
to
pay
that
so
that
may
be
a
deferred
cost
later
on
down
the
road,
but
the
county
is
obligated
to
pay
people
for
their
annual
leave,
but
in
terms
of
just
people
just
selling
it
that
would
be
a
1.4
million
dollar
savings,
as
we've
said
to
you
before.
Q
If
we
sold
up
to
50
or
allowed
people
to
sell
up
to
40
hours,
which
would
be
five
days,
the
savings
to
the
county
would
be
about
three
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars.
Then,
if
we
allowed
people
to
sell
up
to
eighty
hours,
which
was
asked
by
Commissioner
Belcher's,
there
would
be
no
savings
if
everybody
who
could
sell
80
hours
actually
sold
the
80
hours.
We
calculated
that
to
be
about
1.9
million
dollars,
but
we
think
that
we'd
be
keeping
with
the
average
in
spending
about
1.4
million
dollars
a
year.
Q
Q
Q
Well,
basically,
annual
leave
is,
is
an
incurred
liability
so
that
when
we
leave
there's
a
cap
as
to
how
much
we
will
buy
back
so
basically
everybody.
Let's
say
that
if
you've
been
here
since
2002,
you
can
accrue
up
to
27
days
a
year,
so
the
maximum
amount
that
the
county
would
pay
you
out
would
be
54
days
when
you
either
separated
or
when
you
retired,
from
service.
Q
Q
Right,
so
what
so?
That
does
that's
the
leave
cap,
so
we
have
a
cap
in
the
personnel
ordinance
that
allows
people
to
accrue
basically
twice
what
their
accrual
rate
is.
So
you
can
keep
that
in
a
bank,
but
then
on
June
or
February.
First,
we,
if
you
exceed
that
cap,
any
excess
annual
leave
gets
rolled
over
and
converted
to
sick
leave.
Okay,
so
you
can
only
have
this
maximum
cap
amount,
and
so
that's
then,
that's
basically
what
your
maximum
liability
should
be
per
every
employee
and
if.
Q
Okay,
so
sick
leave
is
something
that
you
cannot
sell,
but
when
you
leave
service
or
when
you
retire
from
government,
your
sick
leave
counts
as
actual
service.
So,
if
you
have
eight
months
of
sick
leave
banked,
you
can
actually
that
gives
you
eight
months
more
of
service
that
can
be
that's
used
in
convert
calculating
what
your
retirement
would
be
and.
A
K
A
Q
Q
Because
if
you
remember
last
October,
we
basically
put
in
a
policy
that
allowed
people
who,
let's
say,
worked
at
the
city
for
four
years
to
get
that
credit.
So
they
could
have
more
annual
leave.
So
when
you
hired
as
a
way
to
attract
people
that
you
would
get
credit
for
that,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
that
going
on.
R
Well,
I
think
it's
great
the
way
it
builds
up
into
the
health
benefits.
You
know
for
medical
leave,
because
if
you've
got
a
long
term
employee
who
has
a
serious
illness
I
mean
they
have
to
leave
that
you
know
I'm
fine
with
all
of
that,
but
I
still
go
back
that
when
I
said
before,
and
now
more
so
is
when
I
look
at
selling
back
the
annual
leave
and
that
1.4
million
dollars
the
problem
I
have
with
that
is
you're
paying
people
twice
for
their
vacation.
R
Let's
face
it
and
everybody
needs
to
take
the
vacation
and
need
to
take
the
time
off
to
be
with
their
families.
That's
why
we
have
vacation,
but
this
paying
double
I
just
had
I
mean
we've
got
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
the
our
taxpayers.
Folks,
and
we
want
I
want
to
be
fair
and
already,
if
you
take
this
away,
we
have
probably
when
you
look
at
our
package
of
benefits:
five
employees.
We
stack
up,
probably
if
not
the
best
one
of
the
best
in
the
state
of
the
hundred
counties.
So
it's
not
like
that.
R
R
A
I'll,
second,
it
and
I'll
say
you
know
any
all
of
these
discussions
around
benefits.
We've
had
a
number
of
you
know,
policy
issues
on
our
agenda
the
last
couple
of
months
around
these
issues,
and
none
of
them
are
easy.
You
know
we
really
just
want
to
you
know,
say
over
and
over
and
again
how
much
we
value
our
employees.
What
makes
this
whole
organization
run
so
making
any
changes
that
are
less
favorable.
It's
never
a
fun
topic.
You
know
this
is
this:
is
a
nice
benefit
to
have
and
in?
A
But
you
know,
one
of
when
we
were
talking
about
the
health
benefits
one
of
our
county
employees
came
in
and
said
you
know
I'd
much.
Rather
you
change
the
facility
paid
vacation
day
policy
rather
than
reducing
health
benefits,
and
not
just
that
really
stuck
with
me
and
I
think
we're
gonna.
Have
you
know
we're
gonna
have
other
tough,
there's,
always
tough
decisions
in
every
every
budget
process.
A
Every
benefits
discussion
policy,
but
you
know
this
is
just
of
the
different
things
we've
talked
about,
whether
we
assure
our
public
employees
are
going
to
get
a
cost
of
living
adjustment
which
is
not
a
pay
raise.
It
just
means
you're,
not
making
less
money
each
year
just
means
we're
keeping
you
where
you're
at
now,
based
on
inflation,
you
know
reducing
that
or
not
making
sure.
That's
a
there's.
Some
certainty
on
that
changes
to
health
policy.
E
R
B
A
E
A
C
So
I
had
last
last
time
we
were
together.
I
had
suggested
two
weeks,
a
reason
I
did.
That
is
because
we
were
going
from
unlimited
to
two
weeks
after
seeing
the
numbers,
my
position
has
changed
some
I'm,
not
at
the
same
position
that
the
first
of
the
motion
I'm
at
the
position
of
a
week
and
the
reason
I'm
there
is
because
it
is
a
reduction.
C
So
I
do
think.
As
commissioner
Whiteside
said,
I
do
wish
people
when
they
had
vacation
they
would
take
vacation.
However,
we've
had
this
policy
in
place
for
a
long
time
and
I
think
if
we
move
in
the
direction
of
trying
to
and
I
get
the
cost,
I
get
rid
of
reducing
the
cost.
But
to
me
moving
to
zero
is
too
is
too
quick.
Moving
to
a
week,
I
would
support
that
and
I
mean
I
would
support
that
I'd
support
netted.
You
know
at
any
time.
E
C
And
I
mean
you
know
and
that
it's
not
they
still
have
sick
days,
but
they
have
expenses
that
come
up
and
again,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
take
the
actions
and
abuse
of
a
few.
You
know
and
penalize
the
many.
However,
it
is
good
policy
to
look
at
these
these
dollars,
I
think
into
to
move
from
unlimited.
You
know
to
something
I,
just
can't
move
all
the
way
to
zero.
C
G
C
R
You
mentioned
everything
Commission
Belcher.
If
we
are
concerned
about
the
people
at
the
lower
end
of
the
pay
grade,
we
need
to
address
that
I.
Don't
think
it's
fair
to
address
the
people
at
the
lower
end
of
the
pay
grade
I
had
where
they
have
to
sell
back
their
vacation.
I
mean
we
need
to
adjust
our
salary.
R
We're
talking
about
two
issues
here
and
one
I
do
believe
in
and
I
believe
in
that
the
whole
time
working,
the
people
who
work
for
me
will
tell
you
that
I
believe
in
people
being
paid
for
what
they
do
and
I
believe
in
giving
them.
You
know
a
wage
that
they
can
live
in
Buncombe
County,
but
you
know
I
think
to
do
it.
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
to
do
it
this
way,
we're
skirting
the
issue
folks,
we
need
to
deal
with
their
pay.
R
C
Anything
to
you
can
you
can
look
at.
Is
you
don't
again,
you
don't
have
to
do
everything
overnight.
I
mean
you
know.
If
if
in
the
future
we
decide
to
do
something
different,
we
can
do
something
different.
You
know,
but
you
know
I'm
still,
you
know
the
opinion
that
it's
a
again
no
reflection
on
my
colleague,
but
is
it
I,
still
believe
that
we're
making
a
move
and
I
think
that's
a
that's.
A
fairer
move
and
I
think
it's
a
substantial
move,
particularly
those
that
are
affected
by
and.
S
S
You
know
medical
issues
whenever
our
lower
paid
actually
could
come
before
us
and
say
you
know,
I
have
got
to
sell
this,
to
keep
my
house
or
to
keep
groceries
or
keep
medicine
I
think
moving
it
from
where
it
is
now
to
zero
is
just
too
big
of
a
gap
right
now,
but
I
need
help
and
knowing
how
we
could
fix
it
that
they
might
have
to
be.
You
know
something
an
exception
put
in
there
for
emergency.
Major
medical
surgeon
sees
well.
R
I'll
tell
you
how
some
jobs
do
it
I've
seen
it,
and
we
had
that
at
one
point
at
First
Union,
where
we
had
a
fund
that
was
for
major
emergencies.
If
you
know
its
employees
had
that
they
could
apply
to
that
fund,
and
we
had
stipulation
generally,
could
only
do
it
one
time,
and
so
you
no
time
at
all,
but
we
set
that
up
to
help
on
boys.
R
E
The
thing
we
know
we
have
sheriff's
deputies
who
make
less
than
the
median
income
in
Buncombe
County.
They
have
them
at
some
of
the
most
dangerous
jobs.
So,
commissioners
Whiteside
point,
you
know
what
what
are
we
doing?
Time
bet?
You
know
whether
they
get
a
weaker
and
being
able
to
sell
the
sleeve,
but
we're
ignoring
the
fact
that
the
salaries
are
too
low.
The
people
we
put
most
in
danger
who
are
going
to
have
health
issues.
E
A
P
Environment
I
hope
you
can
hear
me.
Okay,
I
just
think
it's
important
for
us
to
be
precise,
about
which
tools
we
use
and
would
appreciate
Commissioner
Whitesides
analysis
around.
You
know.
If
we're
concerned
about
income,
we
should
assess
income
based
on
the
salary
study,
so
based
on
what
I'm,
hearing
and
thinking
I
would
support
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table
all.
B
Understand
it
in
a
way
one
week,
I
understand,
basically
what
it's
talking
about
bring
it.
You
know,
having
money
in
a
fund
to
try
to
help
the
employees.
Mr.
frost
basically
said
it
right.
We
have
sheriff's
deputies
working
for
penance
and
then
we
have
other
people
working
double
their
money.
Double
for
that
and
that's
that's
in
Buncombe
County.
R
B
You
know
the
the
protectors
is
the
one
I
look
at
that.
We
need
to
try
to
look
at
more
than
we
do
in
others,
and
we
don't
seem
to
do
that.
We
haven't
done
it
and
you
know
I
know
people.
It's
been
heard
on
the
jobs
here
that
for
retired
now
that
our
young
people,
that,
even
on
the
insurance
side,
they
get
just
a
little
bit
of
money
and
but
they
do
have
their
insurance
but
vacations
one
week.
B
I
guess
would
be
good
to
keep
and
and
or
be
able
to
sell
back,
and
you
know,
but
you
got
to
be
able
to
get
to
two
to
three
weeks
to
ever
come
up
with
any
money.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
For
the
new
people
and
young
people
in
here
for
as
a
health
side?
Third
good
shape
as
we
get
older?
That's
when
we
start
getting
a
little
rough
in
that
in
that
area.
So
you
know
I
knew
what
you
will
have
problems
abscess
among
people
too.
B
S
Q
Really
across
the
board,
I
think
most
of
it
depends
on
years
of
service
that
you'll
find
that
people
who
have
been
with
the
county
longer
have
more
unless
they
use
it
and
a
Burnett
type
type
situation.
Most
of
it
is
the
people
who've
been
here
longer
have
more
of
the
luxury
to
sell
the
annually
than
the
people,
who
really
don't
have
the
the
who
haven't
banked
enough
time.
Yet
so
it's
really
the
longer
term
employees
and
in
a
lot
of
cases
those
tend
to
be
also
your
higher.
S
S
S
Q
E
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
everybody
should
take
a
vacation,
but
I
also
do
know
that
a
lot
of
the
folks
we're
talking
about
have
two
jobs.
You
know
they.
They
work
for
sheriff's,
deputy
yeah
I'm,
keep
talking
about
sheriff's
deputies,
but
looking
at
the
people
who
fall
below
the
average
on
they
frequently
out
of
second
job,
so
taking
a
vacation
is
out
of
their
realm
and
I.
B
B
A
O
If
there's
a
true
medical
need.
Now,
if
you
want
to
address
the
issue
of
those
at
the
top,
that's
getting
five
weeks
a
year
plus
two
days,
then
you
could
limit
the
number
of
weeks
that
they
can
carry
over,
which
would
affect
that.
You
could
also
say
you
can't
carry
but
one
week
over
and
that
treats
everybody
the
same.
It
also
looks
after
people
and
might
give
you
the
money
down
the
road
to
address
the
real
issue
that
the
cola
does
not
address.
O
You
set
right
here
and
discussed
it,
who
does
the
color
benefit
folks,
the
top
and
when
it's
an
election
year
there
ain't
nobody
got
the
cojones
to
say:
let's
cut
the
top.
So
if
you
really
want
to
address
those
at
the
bottom
you'll
do
it
through
the
cola,
and
you
got
till
next
year
to
figure
it
out.
O
This
benefit
thing
on
vacation,
I
suggest
you
go
back
to
that
room
back
there
and
you
all
look
at
it
again
and
you
ask
him
where
all
it's
coming
from
and
you
come
up
with
a
proposal
that
lets
them
build
up,
sick
leave
that
can
only
be
used
if
they
really
need
it,
because
you're
already
paying
for
an
insurance
that
gives
them
money
if
they
get
hurt
on
the
job.
So
you
are
addressing
the
issue
and
you're
saving
your
money
down
the
road
to
help
take
care
of
those
at
the
bottom
of
the
totem
pole.
A
C
C
A
E
A
Don't
think
it's
really
a
friendly
amendment?
Why
don't
we
just
vote
on
the
proposed
amendment
and
say
that
if
it
passes
then
it'll
be
adopted
that
we're
reducing
it
from
the
status
quo
to
one
week
rather
than
to
the
number
zero
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
vote
on
the
proposed
motion,
which
is
to
make
it
one
week
to
change
it
from
the
current
policy
to
one
week.
K
A
K
K
R
A
D
R
A
We're
gonna
we're
gonna
act
on
that
any
discussion
on
the
motion
to
amend
to
make
it
one
week
so
I'm
glad
we're
making
the
change
I
would
just
again.
I
would
just
note
that
the
you
know
this
discussion
didn't
just
come
out
of
the
blue.
This
was
actually
put
forward
as
part
of
a
package
of
yeah,
pretty
extensive
changes,
negative
changes
to
the
county's
health
plan.
This
was
considered
at
the
same
time,
so
we
didn't
just
kind
of
take
this
up
out
of
the
blue.
A
It
was
kind
of
looking
at
a
series
of
changes
in
again
I'd
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
reducing
the
benefit
at
all,
but
compared
to
the
things
that
we
were
looking
at
in
terms
of
reducing
folks
health
care
policies.
I
find
this
far
more
attractive
in
and
it
really
only
saves
a
substantial
amount
of
money.
If
we
just
get
rid
of
the
thing,
if
we
keep
it
out
a
week,
we're
really
not
saving
much
money
which
brings
us
back
to
the
other
ways.
A
A
U
A
V
A
Right,
it
passes
five
to
two
all
right.
Thanks
everyone,
a
good
discussion:
okay,
next
up,
Thank
You
mr.
Euler,
for
follow
up,
follow
up
information
on
this
okay.
The
next
item
is
on.
The
agenda
has
been
moved
to
new
business.
So,
let's
start
working
through
our
new
business
items,
the
first
of
which
is
a
motion
to
approve
a
resolution
to
amend
the
land
of
sky
Leicester
crossing
option.
Lease
and
Brandon
Freeman
will
present
the
side
of
Aryan.
L
G
L
An
amendment
that
I
think
will
work.
In
short,
the
county
is
going
to
be
reimbursed
for
the
prior
three
years,
where
we
have
not
been
paid
and
the
rate
will
be
an
amount
that
accurately
reflects
the
amount
of
space
used
by
the
land
or
sky.
I
can
answer
any
further
questions,
but
it's
pretty
much
as
simple
as
that.
R
A
O
I'm
sorry
I'm
worse
than
Jerry
Jerry
welcome
back
you're
gonna
have
to
help
me
out.
That's
the
problem.
When
you
read
the
agenda
from
reading
that
agenda
and
out,
you
know,
they're
not
supposed
to
take
questions
from
me,
but
since
he
staffed
maybe
we'll
it
looks
like
this
agreement
was
sealed
a
long
time
ago.
Really
you
were
kind
of
in
in
captured
in
and
agreements
as
far
as
reading
and
leasing
and
so
forth
down
the
road
and
what
I
got
out
of
that
is
basically
they're
going
to
buy
it
back.
O
I'd
like
to
get
that
address
because
I
felt
that's
what
it
was
because
I
saw
two
different
amendments
in
there
and
what
was
an
extension
of
the
other
and
then
the
last
one
basic
that
says
something
about
at
the
end
of
a
certain
number
of
times.
They
would
good
buy
it
back
and
it
looked
like
to
me
that
they
were
giving
us
the
rent
money
and
then
we're
going
to
give
it
back
to
him.
A
L
That's
the
original
agreement
that
was
reached
in
2008,
and
it
involved
at
least
with
an
option
to
purchase,
and
so
the
rental
payments
that
are
being
made-
and
this
is
the
way
the
agreement
was
set
up
since
2008-
is
those
payments
could
be
attributed
to
a
purchase
price
at
the
end
of
a
30-year
term.
That
part
of
the
agreement
has
not
changed.
This
is
just
an
amendment
to
that
2008
lease
because
they
aren't
renting
as
much
space
as
they
initially
were
renting
in
2008,
okay,.
C
A
A
A
Q
A
Fair
to
fool,
God
I've
got
a
lot
of
great
candidates.
I
would
think
it's
fair
to
say,
I
thought
we
had
a
good
process
to
narrow
it
down.
We
had
kind
of
an
ad
hoc
subcommittee
of
commissioners
who
reviewed
the
applications
with
our
county
manager
and
Eric
from
our
finance
staff
to
the
pool
of
candidates.
They
thought
were
the
strongest
and
most
qualified,
and
then
we
did
interviews
with
those
candidates,
and
we
had
a
number
of
really
great
people
to
choose
from,
but
mr.
A
Donald
Warren
I
think
stood
out
as
a
great
option,
extensive
experience
in
local
government,
financial
planning
and
management,
and
so
we're
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
bring
him
into
this
really
important
position
in
the
organization.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
a
resolution
appointing
Donald
Warren
as
the
sound.
A
P
A
C
C
A
little
less
a
little
less
than
what
it
was
before
so,
but
the
the
pays
reasonable
and
we're
really
excited
about.
There
was
two:
it
was
down
to
two
pilots
and
we
were
all
we
all
pretty
much
agreed,
and
then
there
was
a
healthy
health
issue
with
the
with
the
other
one.
Then
that
person
was
I
was,
you
know,
withdrew,
but
these
were
the
top
two
candidates
in
yeah,
I,
think
I.
Think
everybody
I
think
it
was
unanimous.
A
R
C
C
E
A
P
A
Great
all
right,
let's
call
the
meeting
back
to
order.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
to
for
the
county
manager
to
execute
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
agreement
and
release
funds
for
the
Associated
deposit,
note
and
I
believe
Tim
love
is
gonna,
start
us
off
on
this
item.
I
Good
evening,
chairman
and
commissioners,
as
we
wait
for
the
slides
to
populate
one
of
the
go
ahead
and
set
the
stage
this
evening,
we're
talking
about
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
I'll
lead
us
off
with
the
presentation,
but
also
we'll
be
hearing
from
Rachael
Nygaard
strategic
partnerships
director.
We
also
have
our
community
partners
with
us
today
as
well.
In
the
room
we
have
Jane
Hatley
from
self-help.
We
also
have
Patrick
Fitzsimmons
from
mountain
biz
works.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
I'll
get
deeper,
so
our
is
in
the
room.
We
have
Jane
Hatley
from
self
self-help.
I
Patrick
Fitzsimmons
from
mountain
biz
works.
Also
in
the
room.
We
have
Sam
powers,
who
represents
the
city
of
Asheville
economic
development.
So,
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
The
mountain
community
capital
fund
we've
provided
to
you
in
your
board
packet,
a
memo
that
provides
an
overview
of
the
program.
In
addition,
there's
a
resolution
as
well
as
an
agreement
that
we're
asking
you
to
approve
the
county
manager
to
executed
a
to
facilitate
that
discussion
to
make
it
easier
for
the
folks.
In
the
audience
we
prepared
a
presentation
which
I'll
walk
us
through
now.
I
So
our
request
today
how
we're
requesting
that
the
Board
of
County
Commissioners
authorize
the
county
manager
to
execute
the
allocation
of
services
and
duties
agreement.
In
addition,
we're
asking
that
you
release
funding
that
was
previous
allocated
by
the
board
in
October
of
2017,
at
your
regular
board
meeting
in
terms
of
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
and
what
that's
all
about
this
is
a
loan
loss
reserve
program
and
it's
designed
to
help
small
businesses
and
particularly
minority-owned
businesses,
access
loans
by
extending
the
reach
of
what
are
called
CDFIs,
CDFIs
or
Community
Development
financial
institutions.
I
We
have
two
of
them
in
the
room
today
with
us
self-help
and
mountain
biz
works.
This
is
a
partnership.
I've
already
indicated
that,
but
want
it
to
be
clear.
You
know
this
is
work
with
the
city.
San
Powers
is
representing
us
today,
as
well
as
three
of
the
CDF
is
the
two
that
I've
mentioned
and
one
that's
not
with
us
today.
The
Carolina
Small
Business
Development
Fund.
This
program
is
modeled
on
other
programs,
namely
the
one
in
Charlotte
that
we
will
mention
later
today.
I
This
is
a
key
point.
Loan
administration
just
to
understand
the
roles
of
responsibilities,
so
we
are
not
suggesting
that
the
city
or
the
county
in
this
case
get
into
the
business
of
underwriting
loans,
administering
loans,
tracking
loans
reporting
on
loans.
We
are
simply
suggesting
that
we
create
a
loan
guarantee
fund
and
allow
the
CDF
eyes
to
do
their
their
work,
so
Mountain,
biz
works
self-help
would
continue
to
do
the
underwriting,
as
they
normally
would
with
any
any
loan
that
would
come
in
their
door.
I
Final
piece
is
a.
The
loan
program
requires
participation
in
a
technical
assistance
program,
and
so
what
this
means.
This
is
basically
training
for
those
that
are
participating
in
the
program
to
build
business
competency,
basically
to
make
them
more
successful
in
the
program
and
long
term
as
business
owners.
I
I
The
way
that
you
do,
that
is
through
the
creation
of
a
loan
guarantee
fund,
and
this
loan
guarantee
fund
is
accessed
only
at
the
time
of
lender
loss
and
so
an
example
of
what
a
lender
loss
would
look
like
is
provided
on
the
screen
today.
So
our
example
is
that
we
have
a
loan
recipient
who
receives
a
$30,000
loan
from
a
CDFI.
The
loan
recipient
pays
off
$15,000
of
that
$30,000
loan,
leaving
a
balance
of
$15,000.
I
Let's
assume
at
that
point
that
this
loan
recipient
would
default
on
the
remaining
$15,000.
At
that
point,
we
begin
to
talk
about
eligible
loss,
and
so
the
way
this
would
work
is,
if
there's
any
collateral
that
was
put
up
to
secure
the
loan
so
equipment
that
would
be
liquidated
first
to
reduce
the
ballot.
The
remaining
balance.
C
I
I
Once
we've
gone
through
the
business
of
liquidate
and
collateral,
getting
a
new
balance,
the
CDFI
would
then
apply
to
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
for
the
remaining
balance,
whatever
it
is.
In
this
case,
we're
gonna
go
with
$15,000
and
when
they
apply
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
would
have
the
ability
to
approve
or
reject
that
reimbursement
request.
However,
the
reimbursement
request
is
capped,
so
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
an
eighty
five
percent
cap.
So,
whereas
you
had
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
remaining
balance,
you
can
only
request
85
percent
of
it.
I
I
C
I
It's
an
excellent
question.
We
are,
of
course
will
report
at
whatever
frequency
you'd
like
Commissioner,
but
what
our
friends
and
partners
at
the
city
have
offered
to
do.
I
believe
Sam
is
a
quarterly
report
out
on
the
program
and
that's
something
that
we
could
certainly
relax
or
increase,
depending
on
your
request.
Okay,.
I
B
B
B
Other
people
give
money,
but
this
time
for
the
county
to
quit,
giving
money.
There's
too
many.
It's
not
there's
a
lot
of
good
nonprofits,
but
this
here
is
something
that
I
went
business
30-some
years
ago,
not
educated,
but
I
made
it
in
business.
You
have
to
have
a
one.
We
don't
know
where
the
money's
going,
but
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
stores
are
going
to
artists
or
we
haven't,
got
a
clue
where
the
money's
going
and
I
can't
give
the
people's
money.
B
My
age
that
are
making
payments
under
property
tax
to
do
something
like
this,
so
we
need
to
back
up.
Look
quit
figuring
out
how
to
put
more
nonprofits
and
take
more
money
from
the
county,
and
it's
only
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Is
it
a
lot?
It's
a
lot
of
people.
It's
a
whole
lot,
but
I
will
not
be
until
I
figure
out
where
the
money's
going
I'm
not
going
to
be
for
it
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
I
One
is
the
operating
committee,
which
would
be
a
part
of
sort
of
the
review
process
establishes
underwriting
guidelines
which
would
sort
of
direct
how
the
money
should
be
sort
of
spent,
but
we've
also
brought
Patrick
Fitzsimmons
here
today,
he's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
an
example
of
what
an
amount
community
capital
fund
loan
would
be
he's
got
a
few
example
examples
that
he'll
share
with
us
and
in
particular
I
think
he'll
talk
to
specific
industries
that
we're
looking
at
it's
more
than
just
you
know,
restaurants.
You
know
we
have
different
examples
there.
So.
M
So
just
answer
your
question
about
concentrations
of
business
sectors
that
we
fund
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
examples
of
it
based
on
the
mountains
of
this
works
portfolio,
but
the
other
lenders
portfolios
would
be
very
similar,
so
20%
of
our
loans
are
going
to
accommodation
and
food
services.
Type
businesses
8%
go
to
arts,
entertainment
and
recreation
4%
to
agriculture,
11%,
to
manufacturing,
20%
to
services
and
about
7%
to
professional
organizations.
M
So
it's
a
real
it's
a
real
mix
of
the
type
of
small
business
of
debt
that
we're
funding
here
and
I
want
to
say
that
our
current
loan
loss
rate
is
at
2%.
That's
probably
better
than
most
banks
right.
We'll
talk
to
obtain,
and
the
Charlotte
example
that
we
used
over
its
history
of
10
years
is
that
4
percent.
So
when
Tim
referred
to
a
95%
success
rate,
we're
being
conservative
there,
because
we
anticipate
this
being
even
higher.
M
Let
me
give
one
example
of
another,
fellow
that
we
have
recently
funded.
That
would
have
been
a
prime
candidate
for
this
type
of
this
type
of
program
and
I'm,
going
to
use
a
fake
name.
We'll
call
Ryan
Ryan
is
an
African
American
system
born
and
raised
here
in
Asheville.
He
grew
up
and
became
an
embalmer
for
a
funeral
company.
He
went
away
to
get
a
job
in
other
cities
and
worked
for
many
years
as
an
embalmer
until
finally
end
up.
M
If
you
come
back
and
work
at
a
funeral
home
here
in
Asheville,
where
he
worked
for
20
years,
both
as
a
contract
funeral
director
and
embalmer,
so
he
was
pretty
much
doing
all
the
duties
at
this
funeral
home.
Finally,
after
this
long
of
a
career,
he
thought
this
is
his
opportunity
as
an
entrepreneur
to
have
his
own
business
and
open
his
own
funeral
or
memorial
chapel,
and
so
he
came
to
us
and
we
assist
him
in
doing
that.
M
M
And
they
would
come
to
a
participant,
would
come
to
one
on
one
of
the
lenders
us
and
tell
Phil,
for
example,
and
they
go
through
an
underwriting
process
very
similar
that
you
would
at
a
bank
the
same
kind
of
process,
except
that
we're
going
to
be
a
lot
more
flexible
with
some
of
the
requirements
of
the
bank
would
have.
For
example,
many
folks
who
would
be
applicants
for
this
program
would
be
minority
entrepreneurs
or
people
who
have
had
a
history
of
bad
credit
or
don't
have
adequate
collateral
to
get
a
bank
loan.
M
G
M
M
We
are
lower
is
achieved
because
we
couple
lending
with
learning,
so
our
borrowers
don't
just
get
a
check
and
walked
out
big.
They
they
get
with
classes
first
or
they
get
coaching
first
and
even
after
they
have
opened
up
their
business,
they
continue
to
get
coaching.
So
that's
what
makes
our
successes
by
coupling
that
learning
with
the
lending
programs?
That's.
R
Know
the
way
I
look
at
this
Commission
is.
This
is
no
different
than
the
economic
development
funds
we
give
to
the
large
companies
and
I
can
tell
you
from
my
experience
40
years
in
banking.
This
is
something
that's
needed,
because
the
big
banks
today
they're
not
gonna,
deal
with
loans.
Like
this
matter
of
fact,
I
had
to
send
people
to
you.
Tube
is
work
into
self
health
and
other
organizations,
and
when
you
look
at
it
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things,
this
will
create.
If
done
right
and
from
what
I've
seen
and
read.
R
R
You
know
we've
given
some
of
these
businesses
millions
of
dollars,
but
here
you
could
get
more
bang
for
your
buck
because
we're
actually
giving
them
crumbs,
but
to
these
people
it's
gonna
work
and
I
will
say
the
one
example
you
gave
as
a
young
man
I
sent
to
you,
don't
know
him
and
I
watch
him
grow
up.
So,
but
when
I
see
what
he's
done
with
his
business
and
how
successful
he
is
now
it's
more
than
paid
off
and
it
will
continue
yeah
if.
V
Y'all
don't
mind
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
thing.
Also
this
program
originally
was
developed
in
order
to
hit
a
particular
gap,
and
that
is
that
what
we
found
over
the
years
is
that
low-income
folks
and
people
of
color
very
often
they're,
one
anant
on
that
strong
loan
candidates,
we're
not
talking
about
people
that
could
not
qualify
for
a
loan
anyway,
but
people
whose
one
missing
part
is
collateral,
and
this
program
allows
us
to
help
those
folks
who
don't
have
friends
and
family
or
whatever,
to
fall
back
on
to
supply
that
collateral.
W
To
provide
some
summary
I'm,
Rachel
Nygaard,
strategic
partnerships,
director
and
I've
enjoyed
partnering
with
Tim
in
the
economic
development
side
of
the
house.
My
partnerships
in
my
role
often
tend
to
be
with
the
nonprofits
in
this
project,
really
brings
together
through
work
force,
a
focus
on
one
of
this
board
strategic
priorities,
which
is
to
create
that
robust
local
economy,
specifically
creating
opportunities
for
small
businesses,
with
an
emphasis
on
historically
underserved
populations,
and
what
Patrick
and
Jane
were
speaking
to
is
that
this
program
essentially
extends
the
reach
for
the
lenders.
W
So
the
example
that
Patrick
gave
is
a
good
one,
except
for
he's
somebody
that
was
able
to
qualify
for
that
loan
through
the
already
existing
portfolio.
So
essentially,
this
borrower
comes
in
and
sits
down
and
they're
going
through
small
business
assistance,
USDA
or
whatever
loan
options
might
be
available
for
the
small
business,
and
without
this
there's
essentially
one
factor
or
a
couple
of
factors
that
keep
that
person
from
being
able
to
access
that
small
business
loan.
W
So
establishment
of
this
program
provides
that
guarantee
so
that
more
more
small
businesses
can
begin
or
grow
their
business
and
so
on.
Just
to
wrap
this
up,
the
mountain
community
capital
fund
County
dollars
were
I
did
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
last
October
and
then
in
the
spring.
Let
me
check
the
date
in
April,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
moved
those
funds
into
a
special
projects
fund
where
they
sit
at
this
time.
So
tonight
is
not
an
allocation
or
a
budgeting
of
those
funds,
because
they're
already
budgeted
tonight.
W
Is
to
authorize,
there's
a
resolution
I'm
in
your
packet,
which
would
authorize
the
county
manager
to
execute
that
allocation
of
services
and
duties
agreement
and
then
expend
those
funds
through
the
depart
to
do
this
so
see
the
deposit
note,
and
we
think
that
this
aligns
with,
like
we've,
talked
about
your
priorities
and
as
a
way
to
extend
those
pathways
to
economic
mobility
to
more
people
within
the
community.
Thank
you
all.
C
Got
just
comment
and
then
probably
a
motion,
so
we're
gonna
be
clear.
This
is
this
is
re
in
the
budget
and
we
are
not
loaning
this
money.
This
money
is
for
collateral
and
the
default
rate
is
currently
two
to
five
percent,
that's
correct
and
so
that
money
will
be
sitting
in
a
loan
reserved
just
like
an
affordable
housing
reserve
or
just
like
any
of
the
other
reserves
that
we
have
in
the
county.
Is
that
right?
It.
W
Would
be
expended
in
that
reserve?
That
fund
would
be
held
by
the
custodian
of
the
account,
which
would
be
self
help
and
they
would
hold
the
funds
that
were
approved
by
the
city
of
Asheville,
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
and
the
funds
approved
by
Buncombe
County
and
they
would
administer
that
fund
on
behalf
of
the
entire
program.
Have.
G
W
October
of
2017,
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
budgeted
those
funds
in
April
of
2018.
Those
funds
were
moved
from
the
annual
budget
to
a
special
projects
fund,
because
we
realized
that
this
project
was
not
going
to
be
ready
within
the
last
fiscal
year
that
was
available
for
you
to
spend
in
this
fiscal
year.
Yeah.
C
But
it's
only
expended
in
the
case
of
default.
This
money
is
what
what
we're
doing
is
putting
this
money
in
reserve
to
be
used
so
that
you
have
the
ability
to
for
these
folks
to
have
these
loans
and
gives
you
the
security
to
be
able
to
do
that,
to
be
able
to
go
out-
and
you
know
see
you
know
these
folks
out
and.
W
C
E
E
C
R
C
A
O
First
and
foremost,
I
see
this
is
a
program
helping
people
that
need
help
and
I.
Don't
think
that
using
terms
tied
to
race
is
beneficial
in
this
program.
I'm.
Sorry,
because
I
think
if
we
really
want
to
start
seeing
people,
guess
what
we
got
to
do,
we
got
to
see
people
not
race.
So
that's
that's
my
big
point,
a
matter
of
fact.
If
you'll
read
the
data
planted
this
month,
you'll
see
I
wrote
a
half
a
page
on
that,
but
I
also
heard
when
it
was
first
brought
up
some
concern
about
the
quarterly
report.
O
O
Maybe
it
would
be
beneficial
to
help
the
taxpayers
be
excited
about
where
their
money's
going
and
maybe
it
would
be
beneficial
to
the
Commission
if
they
would
issue
a
monthly
report
and
make
you
aware
of
these
individuals
that
you're
helping,
because
some
of
those
individuals
might
be
offering
a
service
or
something
of
need,
because
today
you
can't
find
anybody
to
do
any
work.
You
know
that's
a
fact.
O
Just
like
this
young
man
now
he's
hiring
seven
people
and
Joe
he's
paying
taxes.
Those
seven
people
are
paying
taxes.
So
it's
not
just
him
it's
the
seven.
So
those
are
just
some
thoughts
that
I
think
are
probably
worth
considering
a
lot
of
what
I
say
you
just
let
it
go
in
one
ear
and
out
the
other,
but
that's
alright,
because
I
feel
good
when
I
say
it
because
I
know
it's
the
truth.
Thank
you
very
much.
S
A
Opposed
all
right
thanks
great
presentation,
we
appreciate
what
y'all
are
doing.
Supporting
people
who
want
to
start
a
small
business
have
a
dream
for
what
they
want
to
do
is
a
it's
a
it's
a
great,
very
worthwhile
effort,
so
I'm
glad
to
be
glad
to
be
a
partner
in
the
effort,
thanks
for
in
with
us
all
right.
Next
up
is
a
proposal
to
for
a
change
order
of
267
thousand
dollars
to
replace
the
chiller
and
the
Elm
building
at
a
BTEC
and
Jennifer
Chilton
I
believe
is
okay,
Clinton,
sorry
about
that.
D
Evening
mister
chamber,
chairman
members
of
the
board
Clint
Shepherd,
director
of
General
Services,
which
involves
facilities
and
new
construction.
As
you
recall,
you
did
discuss
and
vote
upon
and
approve.
Current
work
taking
place
on,
may
be
tech
campus
for
various
capital
improvement
projects,
11
buildings
consisting
of
roof
replacements,
HVAC
repairs
and
fire
alarm
repairs.
The
project
is
budgeted
at
4
million.
D
We
negotiated
contract
for
3.7
million
dollars
and
we
are
on
site
working
and,
coincidentally,
since
then
we
had
a
catastrophic
failure
of
an
existing
chiller
for
the
am
building
and
it
will
say
that
it
is
30
years
old.
So
it's
really
no
surprise
that
it
failed
to
the
point
beyond
repair
so
because
we
are
on
site
working
already.
There's.
G
D
Financial
advantages
just
go
ahead
and
execute
this
change
order.
Again.
It's
the
project
has
been
budgeted
for
four
million
dollars
contracted
for
approximately
three
point:
seven
million
dollars,
so
the
the
current
budget
that
has
been
approved
can
support
this
change
order,
and
this
change
order
is
a
obvious
need.
We've
learned,
mild
weather
it's
a
great
time
to
change
out
a
chiller
we're
already
on
site
working
cranes
are
their
subcontractors
there
we
won't
be
paying
a
mobilization,
fee,
etc,
etc.
B
No
I,
you
know
yeah,
there
is
discussion
we're
sitting
here
and
we
have
our
staff
coming
here,
basically
late
in
the
evening,
I'm
something
we
know
we
got
to
do
and
there's
money
there
to
do
it
with,
and
we've
already
approved
the
money.
This
should
be
on
the
consent
agenda
not
being
put
on
the
general
deal.
So
that's
where
I'm
at
but
I'm
here
for
to
approve
it.
U
C
G
A
K
The
commissioners
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
doing
a
preliminary
engineering
study
this
would
be
for
water
and
sewer
lines
going
from
Inca
the
sewer.
We
think
we
can
do
possibly
tying
back
into
MSDS
system
and
we'll
be
meeting
with
them
starting
tomorrow
to
discuss
that
the
other
part
would
be
getting
water
into
that
area
and
there's
two
ways
to
do
that.
K
One
would
be
discussing
it
with
Asheville,
but
the
other
way
would
be
discussing
it
with
Canton
and
Haywood
County,
and
so
I've
made
some
preliminary
discussions
with
the
town
manager
in
Canton
and
will
be
meeting
with
him
and
the
new
Haywood
County
manager,
probably
within
the
next
week,
or
two
to
have
a
preliminary
discussion
between
our
staffs
on
it
and
then
see
where
we
go
from
there.
But
there's
a
lot
involved
in
an
engine.
Even
a
preliminary
engineering
study,
but
where
we're
at
right
now
is
just
collecting
some
of
the
information.
K
This
map
that
we've
provided,
you
is
from
our
County
Planning
Department
off
of
our
GIS
system
and
just
to
go
over
it
briefly.
Those
are
20-foot
contours
because
we
just
wanted
to
see
the
lay
of
the
land.
It's
also
overlaid
with
in
blue
lines.
Those
are
the
existing
water
lines
from
the
city
of
Asheville
and
then,
of
course,
they
head
west
over
to
the
county
line
and
then
on
into
Haywood
County.
K
The
yellow
lines
that
you
see
are
the
existing
sewer
lines
that
are
owned
by
MSD,
going
back
into
Asheville
and
ultimately
to
their
wastewater
treatment
plans.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
then
at
some
point
we
may
be
back
to
you
with
what
it
might
take
to
do.
A
preliminary
engineering
study
on
it
and
the
difference
is
a
preliminary
engineering
study
looks
at
in
broad
brush.
K
It
does
not
lay
out
a
full
design,
because
that
would
be
much
more
expensive
and
you
don't
want
to
go
to
that
cost
unless
you
think
you're
prepared
to
go
forward
with
actually
doing
a
construction
project.
But
what
this
will
look
at
is
the
sewer
line
capacities,
also
the
pump
stations,
whether
they
can
handle
more
flow,
and,
if
so,
how
much
we
look
at
the
topography
and
see
is
any
of
this
going
to
be
gravity
flow,
some
of
it
going
to
require
pump
stations.
We
don't
know
any
of
that
at
this
point.
K
We'll
need
to
find
that
out.
Of
course,
water
is
under
pressure,
so
it's
not
gravity
flow
or
anything
like
that.
But,
depending
on
what
the
differences
are
in
elevation,
we
may
have
to
have
water
tanks.
You
may
have
to
have
booster
pump
stations
so
and
then,
of
course,
the
other
thing
is.
We
need
to
look
at
what
are
the
appropriate
size
lines
and
a
lot
of
that
is
based
on.
K
What's
the
potential
service
area,
and
particularly
on
sewer
and,
of
course,
with
the
unique
topography
and
the
mountains,
not
all
of
the
drainage
basin
area
that
would
be
identified
is
developable.
So
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
look
at
what
is
the
drainage
basin
and
then
out
of
that,
how
much
acreage
is
actually
developable.
So
we'll
start
those
talks
and
see
where
that
gets
to
and
we'll
report
back
to
you
on
that.
C
So
tonight
we're
starting
the
dialogue
on
on
how
we
can
create
that
conversation
and
see
what
the
cost
would
be
for
the
those
entities.
As
far
as
a
study
to
see
what
actually
can
be
done,
because
what
we've
got
so
far
is
is
well,
we
don't
really
have
anything.
We
don't.
We
don't
know
the
cost
of
it,
but
I
think
there's
some
connections
there
that
we
have
with
with
Haywood
County
and
there's
some
changes
in
Haywood
County.
K
K
K
So
we
want
to
bring
them
to
the
table
as
well,
because,
obviously
on
something
like
this,
if
we're,
if
we
do
tie
into
Canton
you're
gonna,
have
two
additional
governmental
entities
involved
in
this,
and
obviously
that's
Canton,
Haywood
County
and
then,
of
course,
Montcalm
County
yeah.
As
far
as
looking
at
this
and
then,
of
course,
the
real
issue
is:
what's
the
price
going
to
be
for
the
study,
then
the
study
would
determine
what
would
the
price
be
to
construct?
That's
right
and
what
is
and
of
course,
a
lot
of
it.
K
C
K
A
You
know
MSDS
amidst
these
job,
there
philosophy
I
think
has
been
I.
Think
a
lot
of
us
have
served
on
MSD.
You
know
at
different
times,
and
we
know
that
they're
doing
a
great
job
of
you
know
mostly
kind
of
plowing
their
investment
back
into
fixing
the
existing.
You
know
many
many
hundreds
of
miles
of
infrastructure
they
have,
and
that
remains
a
big
need.
So
they've
not
I,
think
their
idea
has
been.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
spend
our
money
on
new
extensions
when
we
still
have
new.
A
K
A
E
Just
you
know
anecdotally,
from
the
eighth:
when
the
ASPCA
built
a
rehab
center
facility
in
Weaverville,
they
went
to
MSD
and
they
said
you
know:
can
we
get
sewer
lines
just
in
Weaverville
from
one
to
the
other
and
the
MSD
just
said?
No,
so
they
have
some
sort
of
adapted.
So
there
you
know,
there's
challenges.
There's.
C
Here,
because
it's
very
good
I
mean
you
know,
when
you
look
at
the
you
know,
the
the
heavy
orange
line
I
mean
it's
easy
to
see
the
gap
you
know
from
there
to
the
to
the
western
part
of
the
county,
and
there
I
mean
diesel.
If
you
go
out
to
exit
37,
there's
a
diesel
power.
If
you
go
out
there
and
look
at
that
business,
its
Carolina
logistics,
it's
huge,
there's
other
businesses
out
there.
Some
of
them
are
represented
in
the
room
tonight,
but
to
go
from
point
A
to
point
B
it.
K
A
C
X
X
The
water
issue
in
West
Side
of
inka
has
has
been
something
that's
been
pretty
passionate
for
me
from
it's
about
March,
15
2014.
That
was
day
two
after
I
started
a
job
out
there,
so
that
was
something
that
I
did
I
identified
really
early
on,
had
a
lot
of
talks
and
discussions
with
with
community
leaders,
business
leaders
and
I'm
really
really
pleased
to
hear
that
this
is
moving
forward.
I
want
thank
you,
because
this
is
something
that
that
is
is
truly
passionate
for
me.
X
My
goal
from
day
one
is
be
able
to
provide
the
best
fire
protection
to
to
all
of
those
at
the
district.
This
is
one
help.
This
is
something
that
I
personally
don't
have
any
control
over
when
it
comes
to
insurance.
Ratings.
I
need
your
help
with
that.
It
would
be
a
big
big
benefit
to
the
fire
protection
district
beyond
that
I'm
also
a
participant
and
member
than
you,
accounting
or
Business,
Association
and
I
hope
I'm
going
to
do
them
justice
to
say
it.
X
Personally,
don't
know
this
for
a
fact,
but
I've
been
told
that
there's
a
lot
of
the
older
sewer
systems
and
the
older
houses
and
things
that
they
were
failing,
so
we've
got
environmental
concerns
and
having
water
and
sewer
out
on
that
corridor
on
19:23,
going
up
into
Haywood
County
and
back
or
back
this
way,
it's
going
to
be
a
phenomenal
benefit
economically
for
fire
protect
and
for
the
environment.
So
again,
I.
Thank
you
for
for
having
this
discussion.
X
It's
been
a
long
time
coming
for
me
for
years
that
I've
been
wanting
to
have
something
like
this
talked
about
so
I
appreciate
it
and
there's
a
colleague
of
mine
back
here
that
Gary
ball
has
a
business
out
there
on
that
corridor.
He
he
needs
it
and
would
really
really
like
to
see
this
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
I'll
try
to
answer
any
question.
If
you
got
anything,
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
or
not,
but
I'll
do
my
best
I
appreciate
it
all
right.
Thank
you.
I.
U
U
This
ain't,
no
new
discussion,
mr.
manager,
about
the
water
and
city
in
Canton.
This
is
going
to
open
up
another
wild
ride,
because
when
you
get
the
city
values
from
the
county
into
the
water
business,
you
had
that
fight
and
a
lawsuit
and
legislators
coming
out
of
that.
So
we
got
Lake
Logan
out
in
Canton,
that's
going
to
provide
a
lot
of
water.
If
you
can
use
that
water.
The
other
thing
is,
you
got
champion
well
called
Blue
Ridge.
U
So
I
want
you
to
think
of
the
history
of
what
we
got
into
with
county
government,
the
city
government
with
water
and
what
you're
going
to
get
into
here.
When
you
start
thinking
about
this,
because
the
city
sewer
business,
Blue
Ridge,
is
going
to
take
up
a
big
hunk
of
sewer
and
what
I
would
say
is
let's
talk
and
find
out
just
how
much
Blue
Ridge
is
willing
to
put
up
front
and
how
much
they
can
contribute
in
building
this
structure.
U
If
it
even
comes
to
pass
because
they're
a
big
outfit,
they
got
plenty
of
money
and
the
lawsuits
from
the
contamination
and
going
down
the
other
side
of
Pigeon
River
into
Tennessee.
They
had
a
they
had
a
big
lawsuit
over
that
you
know.
So,
when
you
think
about
lawsuits,
you
better
be
careful
about
how
you
proceed
with
this.
Information
is
good,
but
there's
some
history
here
that
you
better
get
out
and
dig
out
and
put
out
front,
so
we
can
figure
out.
You
know
if
you've
been
in
the
barnyard.
You
know
where
to
step.
O
O
Let
me
tell
you
something
champion
with
industrial:
waste
will
be
tickled
to
get
domestic
waste
because
guess
what
domestic
waste
has
in
it?
Biological
oxygen
demand.
Guess
what
chemical
waste
has
chemical
oxygen
demand
and
guess
what
keeps
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
operating
organisms
that
depend
on
oxygen,
so
they
could
benefit
from
mixing
it
in
with
that
industrial
waste,
but
Asheville
could
also
benefit
from
it,
because
MSD
right
now
has
more
independent,
small
breweries
discharging
into
MSD
than
the
city
of
Portland,
Oregon
and
folks.
O
The
waste
from
a
sewer
plant
from
a
brewery
is
the
most
richest
highest
concentration
of
crap.
That
needs
to
be
treated
of
anything
on
this
earth
there
right
now
having
to
hold
some
discharges
in
some
of
the
breweries
and
Cait
releases
to
MSD.
All
at
once.
Sorry
would
overload
the
plant
so
yeah
drew
Water
and
Sewer.
It's
a
problem.
A
All
right
anybody
else
all
right.
Thank
you!
There's
none!
Others
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
time,
all
right
next
time
on
the
agenda,
so
we've
got
three
items
that
we
added
to
new
business.
Beginning
of
the
meeting.
Well,
one
was
on
the
agenda
moved
to
new
business.
Two
other
items
added
to
new
business.
One
is
the
Scoggins
legal
representation
item.
A
K
That
is
that
I,
don't
believe.
Y'all
formally
voted
to
employ
mr.
Jones,
but
we
have
been
using
his
services,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
you
to
do
is
make
a
formal
motion
to
appoint
him.
I
mean
to
authorize
a
contract
with
him.
The
second
thing
is:
is
to
authorize
payment
for
legal
services
previously
provided
and
I
believe
those
have
been
over
the
last
four
to
five
months.
Okay,
all.
A
Right,
you
know,
I'll
just
make
one
comment
on
this
item
kind
of
kick
it
off.
You
know.
Obviously,
the
county
has
been
working
through
some
challenges,
with
the
different
senior
staff
that
have
been
charged
with
various
wrongdoings
and
and
illegal
actions,
and
we've
had
a
couple
of
different
people
helping
us
to
address
this.
We've
got
Ron
Payne,
who
has
been
retained
to
file
civil
suit
to
recoup
taxpayer
money
that
has
already
recouped
more
than
two
million
dollars
back
to
the
county
and
I
think
we're
optimistic
that
we're
gonna
see
more
to
recover
those
funds.
A
Scott
has
helped,
advises
the
Commission
on
other
issues
related
to
the
criminal
investigation
and
other
certain
matters
that
we've
asked
him
to
look
at.
So
you
know
in
discussing
this
with
with
other
commissioners
and
staff.
I
am
you
know,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
you
know
to
pace
mr.
Jones
for
the
services
that
he
rendered,
but
I
think
as
we
think
about
the
process
going
forward
because
we're
this
criminal
investigation
is
not
over
and
the
civil
suits
are
not
over
either
but
they're
all
related
to
each
other
and
I.
A
Think
you
know
in
the
interest
of
trying
to
handle
this
in
the
most
efficient
way
possible.
My
suggestion
would
be
that
we
ask
Ron
Payne
to
be
our
point
person
in
terms
of
outside
legal
counsel
on
the
criminal
investigation,
the
civil
suit,
all
those
related
matters,
so
I
think
I
think
I
think
they've
all
done
a
good
job,
helping
us
but
I
think
going
forward.
I
think
that'll
be
the
most
efficient
way
to
handle
it.
That
would
be
my
recommendation
is.
B
Have
gone
for
months
and
bales
keep
coming
mr.
Newman,
you
have
talked
to
this
man.
More
than
most
people
come
imagine
you've
got.
We've
got
a
30,000
dollar
bill
over
$5,000
of
its
to
you.
There's
very
few
people
in
this
room
that
even
know
about
this
there's
more
of
them
down,
but
we've
got
three
bills
from
Scott
Jones.
You
never
come
before
this
shrimp.
We
have
a
county
manager
just
sitting
out
there.
Her
name
is
Tucker
day.
We
heard
her
County.
B
I
was
in
the
meeting
that
evening
and
I
saw
basically
what
was
happening.
I
have
set
and
watched
an
attorney
said
in
the
room
that
has
never
been
approved
in
closed
sessions.
Watching
Ron
Payne
tells
us
exactly
what
is
done
and
how
much
money
is
bringing
after
the
second
bill
which
I
have
I
put
on
the
bill.
Ron
Payne
brought
us
a
check
and
how
I
said
notice
this,
because
we
both
got
to
hold
it
two
million
and
eighty
eight
thousand
dollars.
B
B
B
So
a
lot
of
this
is
what
other
people
wanted
at
the
time.
This
is
what
you
wanted
at
the
time,
and
you
can
see
it
because
we
have
spent
over
five
thousand
dollars
out
of
the
thirty
thousand.
They
was
yours
that
and
it's
more
than
that,
if
you
look
Bates
for
150
bucks,
that's
June,
30
leaveneth
26
is
frost,
$180,
Numan,
nine
hundred
twenty-five
dollars.
B
B
The
worst
thing
about
this
whole
deal
is
that
I
have
the
contract
and
we
supposedly
hired
him
the
same
day
that
we
heard
Masuka
day.
We
had
never
heard
him
period
and
it
says
in
the
contract
until
the
contract
is
delivered
to
them,
that
you
know
they
would
not
charge
us.
There's
been
ninety
six
hundred
and
some
dollars
charged
to
us
before
you
actually
the
xix
on
this
contract.
So
that's
you
know
whatever
people
want
to
do
I'm
not
for
paying,
because
we
didn't
hurt.
You
heard
him.
B
So
if
you
want
to
pay
it
go
for
it
because
Ron
Payne
has
done
a
fantastic
job
for
us
totally.
That's
all!
We
need
her
and
Ron
pain.
We
don't
need
for
attorneys
sitting
in
that
back
room
and
that's
what
we've
had
it
more
than
one
time
I
was
against
it.
I
walked
out
of
the
room
when
this
happened,
because
I
saw
what
was
happening
because
that's
what
you
wanted
and
you
know
we
spent
40,000
dollars
a
few
weeks
ago
for
an
election.
B
It
starts
against
tomorrow
and
now
we're
spending
supposedly
$30,000
for
something
that
would
truthfully
a
man
set
and
watched
a
person
tell
us
what
he
needed.
Then
charges
six
hundred
twenty
dollars.
It's
all
written
down,
I've
got
it
all
marked
off
and
that's
plain
and
simple,
but
we
have
to
quit
doing
this
out
of
all
of
this.
Mike
fryer
wasn't
spoke
to
Robert
Pressley,
Joe,
Belcher
or
outside.
A
That's
that's
well,
let
me
go
first
and
she's.
Addressing
me
a
lot
of
what
you
just
said
is
not
true.
It
is
true
that
when
the
Commission
discussed
this,
you
did
walk
out
of
the
meeting
any
left
and
the
remainder
of
the
other
six
commissioners
continued
discussing
this
for
another
45
minutes
or
so
and
I'm
just
one
Commissioner
I.
Certainly
don't
have
the
authority
to
to
do
things
without
without
Commission
approval.
My
takeaway
from
that
discussion
was
that
the
Commission
wanted
to
retain
miss
Hockaday
as
our
permanent
attorney
and
wish
to
retain
mr.
A
Jones
on
a
temporary
basis
to
help
us
navigate
some
of
the
very
unique
challenges
that
the
Commission
was
facing
at
that
at
that
time,
which
involved
the
county
manager
and
our
fight
and
our
assistant
county
manager
going
under
federal
indictment.
So,
in
terms
of
me
spending
time
to
talking
to
mr.
Jones,
you
know
I
think
it's
not
unusual
that
when
you
would
retain
legal
counsel
that
they
oftentimes
want
to
talk
to
their
clients,
about
the
work,
they're
doing
and
get
feedback,
and
so
certainly
I
did
have
conversations
with
him.
A
I
think
that's
you
know,
certainly
to
be
expected
and
I
also
just
comment
that,
after
that
session,
the
engagement
agreement
with
mr.
Jones
was
was
forwarded
to
all
the
commissioners
and
I
said
base
I,
don't
have
the
in
front
of
me,
but
basically
that,
based
on
the
Commission
guidance,
we
intend
to
move
forward
with
this.
Let
me
know
if
you
have
any
comments
that
was
sent
to
all
commissioners
I,
don't
think
I
got
any
of.
B
B
A
B
Perspective
the
main
thing
on
that
is
the
day:
Kathy
huge
had
to
sign
the
back
of
this.
She
was
part
of
it
and
the
day
that
Mandy,
stone,
left
and
I
called
you
and
I
called
everybody
else
to
try
to
get
them
in
and
then
we
go
upstairs.
I
took
a
copy
to
mr.
fruit
and
it
showed
at
that
point
she
had
never
signed
off.
She
never
signed
off
until
basically
the
19th
of
June-
and
you
know
that's
it
says
in
his
contract.
I
have
a
here
table
that
they
won't
charge.
B
There's
ninety
six
hundred
dollars
out
of
it
if
they
want
the
rest
of
the
money.
If
everybody
agrees
to
it,
I'm,
fine,
but
personally
the
way
it
was
brought
the
way
it
was
done.
This
county
has
never
had
to
County
Attorney's
ever
in
36
years
ever
so
you
know
we're
breaking
new
ground
or
anything
browning
Newman
wants
that's
what
we're
gonna
get
we're
going,
we're
going
to
send
stuff
to
Raleigh
to
make
sure
we
get
extra
voting
place,
there's
more
things
to
come
up.
Brownie!
Sorry,
other
Commission
is
the
simple
thing.
Mr.
Belcher
yeah.
C
E
C
He
did
not
contact
me,
but
I
do
think
that
the
the
motion
was
to
to
not
continue
to
utilize
the
services,
because
we've
already,
we
have
someone
that
can
take
care
of
that,
and
so
from
my
position
on
trial
basis
trials
over
it's
fine,
we
should
move
on.
I
agree
that
the
amount
is
a
lot
and
for
that
reason
we
need
to
we
need
to
move
on.
However,
the
attorneys
are
very
expensive
and
anybody
that
gets
on
the
phone
with
them
its
tickets
ticket.
C
You
know-
and
that's
not
you
know
a
negative,
that's
just
a
fact
so,
but
but
I
was
okay
with
it
with
a
trial
basis,
because
you
know
we
had
two
capable
attorneys
and
I
felt
like
that.
We
we
acquired
the
attorney
for
in
the
courtroom.
I
mean
in
here
that
we
need
that
would
be
dedicated
to
the
to
the
Commission
and
be
able
to
be
here
and
give
us
a
feedback
that
we
needed
and
that's
why
I
supported
that.
P
Newman,
if
I
could
ask
the
question
about
your
motion,
are
you
proposing
that
the
contract
with
Ron
painless
as
I
understand
it,
is
currently
with
Buncombe
County
the
restructuring
so
that
the
contract
is
to
represent
the
Board
of
Commissioners
of
the
client?
For
you
suggesting
that
there
be
be
retained
to
represent
perfect
county
and
supporters
machine?
That's.
A
A
If,
if
we're
not
going
to
continue
to
retain
Scott
Jones,
then
we
would
be
looking
to
Ron
Payne
to
advise
the
Commission
and
the
county
on
matters
beyond
just
the
civil
suit,
which
has
been
his
main
focus
today,
but
I
I,
don't
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
aware
of
whether
that
would
require
changing
his
agreement
or
we
could
simply.
You
know,
ask
him
to
and
ask
him
to
advise
us
on
matters
broader
than
just
the
civil
suit
focus.
I
just
haven't
reviewed
it
in
detail.
Donna
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
require
change
or
not
I.
C
B
You
know
seem
like
we
have.
What
I
want
people
to
do
is
look
down
this
way.
We
have.
We
have
the
county
attorney
that
we
heard
we
can
ask
the
questions.
She
can
tell
us
if
she
can't
answer
absolutely,
and
so
that's
where
we
need
to
be
I'm.
Sorry,
everything
that
this
lady
has
done
for
us
so
far
that
I
look
at
is
very
qualified.
To
do.
Ron
Payne
is
the
person
that's
doing
the
suing
right,
he's
the
one
that's
bringing
trying
to
bring
the
bacon
back
home
and
this
lady
down
here.
B
If
we
need
to
use
her
10
12
14
hours
more
a
month.
Let's
do
it.
You
know
long
as
she
feels
comfortable
that
she
can
do
it.
You
know
we're
depending
I
mean
I,
look
at
the
number
three
bill
and
its
economic
development
he's
talking
to
his
partners
going
out
and
doing
everything
and
morale,
because
that's
not
his
partake
and
we're
paying
him
$3,000
that
wasn't
his
partake
and
he
told
us
exactly
the
same
thing
that
her
staff
attorneys
told
us
totally
no
different
whatsoever.
How
we
got
you
know
it
wasn't.
Just
go!
B
Look
at
a
lawsuit
against
one,
two
green
in
them.
Here
we
got
him
looking
at
economic
development.
We
got
him
looking
at
everything.
We've
even
got
him
looking
at
resolutions
and
pay
any
$120.
What
are
we
doing
this
lady
down
here
can
give
us
better
idea
that
that's
why
we
hired
and
I'm
going
to
support
her
all.
P
P
In
my
position,
all
along
my
position
and
I
have
found
that
the
configuration
that
we've
been
using,
where
Ron
Payne
has
very
capably
been
representing
the
county
to
recover
funds
and
Mitaka
dates
and
very
capably
representing
us
on
procedural
processes
and
stop
drugs
and
very
suitable
representing
us
on
ongoing
advice.
Around
an
ongoing
federal
investigation
has
been
working
strike.
R
Think
where
we
are
and
I
agree,
this
is
not
normal.
What
we're
going
through
we're
in
uncharted
territories.
When
you
look
at
the
situation,
we
have
in
bunker
County,
but
what
I
want
to
see
us
now
do
is:
let's
bring
this.
It
I
think
it
we've
you
Scott,
we
own
the
money,
let's
pay
him
the
money
and
going
forward
with
stop
right
here.
R
I
agree
with
Jill
there
we
terminate
his
services
and
just
see
if
we
can
broaden
the
services
of
Ron
Payne
and
since
he's
talking
to
the
authorities
and
represent
us
and
I,
get
information
from
him
and
I.
Don't
think
he's
charged
for
our
conversations.
Even
but
you
know,
I
think,
let's,
let's
bring
this
the
head,
because
we've
got
and
move
on
all.
A
O
This
is
a
hot
topic
that
is
a
root
of
the
problem
which
we
had
with
the
previous
county
manager.
Too
much
business
is
conducted
right
back
there.
Your
county
attorney
can
tell
you
you
cannot
vote
back
there.
You
cannot
assemble
a
vote.
You
cannot
not
ahead.
You
cannot
all
agree.
All
decisions
involving
hiring
attorney
has
to
be
voted
on
right
here
in
these
chambers
in
front
of
public,
and
that's
the
cause
of
all
of
these
problems.
Folks,
I
guarantee
you
had
Ron
Payne
high
before
you
ever
presented.
O
C
C
A
Motion
yeah:
the
motion
is
to
pay
the
Scoggins
fee
for
the
services
he's
provided,
but
basically
the
intention
is
to
not
continue
to
engage
him
to
let
Ron
handle.
You
know
all
the
matters
related
to
advising
the
Commission
and
the
county
on
issues
related
to
the
civil
suit
and
any
other
issues
related
to
the
investigation.
I
mean
just
just
to
add
a
little
bit
more
context
there
as
I
think
Commissioner
beech,
Ferrara
articulated
Ron
Payne
was
not
hired
by
the
County
Commission
and
he's
never
been
voted
on
by
the
County
Commission
and
I.
Q
A
Hired
by
the
county
manager,
Mandy
Stone,
who
he
is
now
suing
on
half
of
the
county,
just
to
kind
of
be
clear
about
how
about
how
unique
the
circumstances
that
we
are
we
are
in
yeah.
He
is
billing
the
county
for
his
for
his
illegal
services,
but
he
was
not
retained
by
the
County
Commission
part
of
I.
A
Think
the
rationale
to
speak
for
myself
but
I,
think
part
of
the
rationale
for
wanting
Scot
is
to
have
an
attorney
who
was
100%
representing
the
County
Commission,
not
the
county
manager,
not
county
staff,
but
to
make
sure
this
body
got
sound
advice
about
how
we
navigate.
You
know
a
very
unusual
legal
situation.
The
county
says
so,
but
the
motion
is
to
ask
Ron
to
provide
all
that
counsel
for
the
Commission
and
the
county
and
we'll
just
we'll.
C
You
for
clarifying
that,
and
you
know
to
Commissioner
fryers,
you
know
point
we
have
a
very
capable
County
attorney.
That's
why
she's
in
the
seat.
It's
why
we
vote
for,
and
we
can
rely
on
her
for
a
lot
of
that
information
that
we
had
you
know
tried
to
rely
on
a
very
capable
attorney.
Ron
Scott
Jones
is
a
it's.
A
good
is
a
good
attorney
and
that
we've
tried
it.
We
want
to
move
on
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do
tonight
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
E
X
A
Right,
sixth,
one
Jasmin's
voted
against
it
all
right.
The
other
two
items
we
added
to
new
business.
The
first
is
a
request
from
the
school
capital
Commission
to
appropriates
seventy
six
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
for
what
we're
referring
to
as
the
BDA
study
and
I'll
ask
mr.
wood
to
share
a
little
bit
more
information
on
this
there.
A
But
just
again
as
a
reminder,
we
talked
about
this
item
and
I
think
the
meeting
before
last,
we
were
pursuing
a
state
grant
for
these
communications
systems,
which
will
make
sure
that
first
responders
and
public
safety
officers
can
communicate
from
outside
to
inside
our
school
buildings.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
buildings
have
been
found
to
the
current
equipment
doesn't
allow
for
good
reception
with
people
inside
the
building,
which
creates
an
obvious
public
health,
a
public
safety
risk.
A
So
this
is
seventy
six
thousand
four
hundred,
which
will
be
for
a
study
of
all
the
county
and
city
schools
to
ascertain
what
the
which,
which
school
campuses
need.
This
improvement
we
discussed
this
yesterday
at
school
capital
fund,
Commission
and
Commissioner
Belcher.
Would
you
like
to
make
any
additional
comments
on
it?
I
mean.
C
We
heard
a
lot
of
requests
and-
and
this
one
is
one-
we've
been
talking
about
and
rises
to
the
at
the
top.
In
my
opinion
and
I,
think
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
were
moving
forward
with
it
and
we
put
on
the
agenda
tonight
was
because
we
we
we
had
to
initiate
the
studying
we
didn't
feel
like.
We
should
wait
to
initiate
the
study
and
move
on,
and
everybody
was,
you
know,
was
unanimous
on
on
on
doing
that.
So
and.
A
K
K
Fines,
which
is
an
article
39
sales
days
well
just
to
cap
that
so
that's
basically
what
we
did
I
asked
y'all
at
the
last
meeting
for
permission
to
go
and
ask
them
for
the
money
we
did
that
it
was
well
received.
Previous
to
that,
I
had
gone
to
a
joint
Buncombe,
County
Asheville
city
school
system.
They
have
a
Joint
Committee
on
safety
and
we
went
made
a
presentation
there.
They
also
endorsed
it
and
so
I
think
everybody
recognizes
the
need
for
it.
K
As
far
as
the
vote,
the
other
day,
I
think
the
consensus
was
we
want
to
move
forward
with
the
actual
implementation
of
it,
but
everybody
wants
to
see
what
the
results
of
the
study
are.
First
and
then
we'd
be
able
to
know
exactly
how
many
schools
we're
talking
about
there's
one
unresolved
issue
on
this.
K
If
you
remember
when
I
came
to
you
before,
I
said
that
the
study
would
be
$87,000,
the
reason
we're
only
asking
for
76
400
is
that
I
believe
it's
eight
of
these
schools
or
charter
schools,
and
so
the
76
400
will
cover
52
of
the
schools,
but
there's
60
involved.
So
the
question,
and-
and
you
cannot
use
that
article
39
money,
because
charter
schools
do
not
get
to
share
in
the
capital
money
by
state
law,
they
do
get
to
share
in
the
operating
money.
K
So
whenever
you
appropriate
money
for
the
schools,
it's
actually
spelled
split,
not
two
ways.
It's
split
three
ways
because
their
prayer
percentage
of
the
schoolchildren
that
goes
to
them,
then
Asheville
gets
their
percentage
and
then
Buncombe
County
gets
their
percentage
so,
but
that
is
not
true
on
capital
money,
so
the
issue
that
brings
forward
to
us
is
how
we
do
you
include
them
in
the
study
or
not,
and
if
you
do,
then
we
would
need
to
pay
for
that
out
of
general
fund
money.
K
C
C
C
K
Right
so
so,
but
my
recommendation
to
you
would
be
the
difference
between
eighty
seven
thousand
and
seventy-six
for
that's
ten
thousand
six
hundred
dollars.
I
would
recommend
we
take
that
out
of
the
contingency
and
in
the
general
fund
and
include
the
charter
schools
in
the
study
and
then,
let's
find
out
what
the
extent
of
the
problem
is
between
you
know.
How
many
are
there
problems,
how
many
are
Asheville
and
how
many
are
Buncombe
County.
So.
C
A
Okay,
there's
a
motion
to
approve
seventy:
six
thousand:
four
hundred
from
school
capital
fund
commissioned
sales
tax
revenues,
ten
thousand
dollars
of
additional
funding
from
the
county's
general
fund.
For
this
study
you
know,
I'll
just
make
a
comment
on
it.
It's
I've
got
kind
of
mixed
feelings
about
the
additional
funding.
I
agree
that
you
know
the
while
you're
doing
a
study.
A
There's
gonna
be
some
efficiencies
in
trying
to
just
do
them
all
and
that's
what
I
like
about
it
yeah,
but
the
county
doesn't
provide
capital
funding
for
the
charter
schools,
and
so
you
know
if
it
comes
back
and
there's
some
needs
there.
I
don't
I
certainly
would
not
want
this
to
be
communicating
that
the
county
is
that
we
are
setting
up
some
its
expectation
that
the
county
is
going
to
fund
that
so
I
kind
of
feel
like
you
may
be
a
little
bit
misleading
to
kind
of
do
this
study.
If
there's
not
I,
think
if.
C
K
K
A
K
A
So
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
I
mean
I
I'm,
also
a
little
concerned
just
about
the
precedent-setting
aspect
of
it
too,
but
I
I
do
think
it's
a
it's
a
really
important
public
safety
issue,
though
so
I
think
I'm
gonna
support
the
motion.
Personally,
as
long
as
we
are
real,
proactive
and
communicating
that
the
county
is
not
not
only
are
we
not
committing,
we
are
not
going
to
fund
the
capital
improvements
for
charter
schools
to
implement.
A
We
want
them
to
have
the
information
so
that
they
can
be
aware
of
any
gaps
there,
and
without
that
it's
just
their
responsibility.
That's
the
way
the
state
has
set
this
up.
You
know
the
charter.
Schools
have
a
lot
of
advantages
compared
to
other
schools.
They
have
a
lot
of
things.
They
don't
have
to
do
that.
Regular
public
schools
have
to
do
so.
They've
got
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
how
they
use
their
money,
but
there's
certain
things
they
don't
get.
They
don't
get
some
of
the
capital
support.
A
S
A
S
Don't
understand
part
of
you
know
it's
like
getting
an
estimate
on
your
car.
That
does
not
mean
that
is
set
in
stone,
I
think
we're
doing
a
study.
Not
oh.
We
found
these
problems
and
yeah
we're
gonna
help
you
a
little
bit.
Let's
just
keep
it
simple,
it's
a
study,
that's
what
I
did
I
fully
support
it.
S
A
Issue-
and
this
was
an
item
that
was
jointly
was
kind
of
an
interesting
project.
It
was
jointly
brought
to
the
school
capital
Commission
by
the
County
Schools
and
the
City
Schools,
and
it's
it's
essentially
to
do
a
comprehensive
study
of
all
the
city
and
county
school
campuses
throughout
Buncombe
County
to
look
at
them
from
what
can
be
done
to
improve
the
physical
environment.
You
know
the
building
structures
themselves,
security
systems
to
make
them
safer
and
evaluate
any
gaps
that
we
have
in
our
existing
school
campuses
that
could
create
exposure.
A
A
So
it's
this
is
a
study
and
I
know
we
don't
like
to
just
spend
money
on
studies,
but
this
is
about
a
pretty
important
topic
so,
and
we
thought
it
was
important
enough
that,
on
all
the
other
items
school
capital
fund
commission
is
discussed
yesterday
we
decided
to
wait
until
our
next
meeting
to
make
decisions,
but
I
think
everybody
there
felt
this
was
such
an
important
piece.
The
capital
Commission
went
ahead
and
recommended
requesting
Commission
approval
of
it
at
our
meeting
tonight.
C
Just
it's
also
article
39
sales
taxes
is
not
you
know,
comes
from
general
fund
here
at
all.
The
only
comment
that
would
make
is
that,
since
we
just
approved
the
other
study
that
we
should
make
sure
that
the
you
know
it's
up
to
four
hundred
thousand
thousand
dollars,
it's
actually
what
we're
doing
now
actually
would
save
money
on
the
study,
because
we're
actually
doing
we're
actually
doing
the
radio
frequency
study
for
them
that
we're
approving
up
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
would
spend
that
much
money.
So
that's.
K
The
other
thing
we
should
also
be
clear
about
is
is
the
the
reason
that
the
Commission
held
off
on
going
forward
with
the
funding
to
do
the
radio
system.
We
want
to
do
the
study
report
back
to
them
and
say:
we've
identified,
we
have
X
number
of
schools
and
we'll
also
know
out
how
extensive
the
issues
are,
because
remember
that
eighty
thousand
was
an
average,
so
we
may
have
some
that
are
less
than
that
and
we
may
not
have
as
many
schools
as
we
think
we
have
a
problem
with.
K
C
The
only
other
thing
I'll
say,
and
the
reason
that
Chairman's
asking
me
to
call
me
is
because
I'm
on
the
Commission
now
so,
but
this
is
this-
has
been
a
very
hot
topic
in
the
community
and
a
lot
of
people
have
asked
us
as
commissioners.
What
are
you
doing?
What
are
you
going
to
do
and,
of
course,
our
hands?
A
U
Thank
You
Mitch
Airmen
memory
board
I'm
confused.
We
talk
about
radio
frequency
or
we
talk
about
safety
plans
for
all
the
schools
of
looking
at
the
safety.
Yes,
the
second
one.
Second,
second,
one
all
right,
I,
don't
know
how
dumb
gets
dumber,
but
every
year
that
the
school
system
is
in
business,
they're
all
time,
evaluating
safety,
they're
all
time
evaluating
their
capital
and
all
their
building
needs
space
and
everything,
and
also
the
resource
officers
high
in
the
name
of
God,
did
all
this
xscape
them
for
all
these
years.
U
U
Because
if
they
ain't
got
sense
enough
to
go
over
the
past
few
years
of
their
safety
plans,
that
they
have
exonerated
and
got
a
cue
ladies
over
in
in
Buncombe
County
of
North
Carolina,
making
such
proud
statements
of
how
great
they
are
I
want
to
know
where
all
this
is
it
been
in
the
past
where's
it
at.
They
just
bury
these
plans
to
me
throwing
money
at
something
that
they've
already
got
information
on.
You
need
to
get
to
information
first
before
you
start
doing
another
study.
U
First
of
all,
they
should
have
already
been
on
top
of
this
begin
with
I'd
be
asking
that
question.
If
you
want
to
know
something
about
the
school,
ask
me
I,
don't
know
how
many
Evans
know
much
about
school,
but
this
this
gets
pretty
pretty
rough
under
my
skin
when
we
so
melting
millions
of
dollars
at
school
systems,
and
we
think
money's
going
to
solve
a
problem
again,
we
need
to
be
asking
about
accountability.
You
got
it
all.
A
Right
any
bells,
all
right,
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
I
mean
I'll,
just
respond
to
that
briefly.
I'm,
certainly
the
school's
have
safety
plans,
they
take
them
very
seriously.
I
think
they're
and
they've
they've
continuously
improved
them,
so
they're
not
starting
from
scratch
and
everybody.
Everybody
recognizes
that.
But
you
know
we
are
we're.
Just
in
a
different
day
and
age,
maybe
I
mean
I've
got
two
kids
in
schools.
I
made
it.
You
know
that
just
the
the
it's
just
a
different
level
of
threat.
A
S
Okay,
yeah
I'm
gonna
have
to
chime
in
on
this,
because
you
look
what
they've
done
in
the
past.
They
have
done
the
key
locks
that
just
the
teachers
can
get
in
and
out
or
principal
the
badges,
that's
gone,
I
think
there's
been
an
ongoing
thing
for
many
years.
You
don't
talk
about
schools,
I
know
about
schools,
that's
one
thing:
I
didn't
learn
a
lot
in
school,
but
I
don't
know
about
it
and
I'm
gonna.
Tell
you
a
vision.
These
schools
and
you
see-
what's
happened
all
over
the
United
States.
S
Is
we
used
to
think
a
tree
line
with
security?
They
can
walk
through
them
trees.
We
need
fences.
You
go
look
at
most
of
the
schools
we
got.
They
are
so
easily
I
say
through
anywhere
on
that
property.
We
need
to
close
this
stuff
up.
No,
we
don't
need
to
make
a
prison
out
of
it,
but
I
think
the
day
you
say
that
we
have
got.
Our
schools
proved
that
no
one
can
get
in
there
and
that
year,
you're
totally
wrong
about
that.
S
We
got
to
continue
the
safety
of
these
schools
resource
officers
if
it
takes
chain-link
fences
back
in
there.
I
can
take
you
to
school
in
my
district,
canler
and
PES
go
that
you
can
come
in
from
any
angle.
You
want
to
and
we're
talking
about,
first
and
second
graders
leave
in
one
classroom
that
has
to
go
outside
of
a
building
go
to
another
one.
S
A
R
A
In
favor,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed
all
right
and
last
item
on
our
agenda
for
our
public
agenda
is
a
public
comment,
so
any
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment
on
a
items
that
have
not
already
been
addressed
by
the
Commission
this
evening,
all
right.
So
while
we
do
have
a
need
for
a
closed
session,
miss
Hockaday,
could
you
tell
us
what
that's
about.