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Regular meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners on January 3, 2023. To review the full agenda visit buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
B
A
A
Is
there
any
item
on
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
would
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
Financial
impact
for
any
board
member?
Does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board?
Today,
there
being
none
all
board.
Members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
any
matters
voted
on
by
the
board
at
our
meeting
this
evening.
A
All
right,
Commissioners,
mayor,
Esther
manheimer,
is
with
us
this
evening
and
would
like
to
give
some
updates
about
the
Asheville
Water
Systems
situation.
So
could
we
add
her
to
the
agenda
after
the
public
comment
period?
A
A
We
now
come
to
public
comments.
We
have
a
list
of
folks
that
have
signed
up.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
address
the
board.
You'll
get
an
orange
light
when
you've
got
about
30
seconds
left
and
then
a
red
light
when
your
time's
up-
and
we
do
accept-
ask
that
folks.
Please
discontinue
your
comments
once
your
time's
up,
because
we
want
to
give
everyone
the
same
amount
of
time
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
list
of
folks
who've
signed
up.
A
A
Come
on
up
and
yeah
come
over
to
the
podium.
Please.
C
A
Problem
so
yeah,
you
have
three
minutes
to
make
your
comments
and
there'll
be
an
orange
light
that
will
come
on
when
you've
got
about
30
seconds
and
then
a
red
light
when
you're
30
minutes
three
minutes
is
up.
Okay,.
C
C
I
mean
the
road
I
mean
Sweden.
Creek
is
already
a
disaster
with
no
improvement
in
sight.
There's
another
development,
1200
houses
in
front
of
the
on
this
one
of
the
school
going
on.
That's
not
going
to
improve
traffic
meals.
Gap
is
a
disaster
and
penoscov
drive.
You
really
don't
want
to
meet
a
truck
when
you're
driving
on
it.
So
what
is
going
to
happen
to
traffic,
which
is
already
pretty
much
a
gridlock
most
of
the
day
second
issue
is
I,
mean
we've
seen
the
disaster.
D
It's
interesting
that
the
person
at
the
planning
department,
who
suggested
the
North
American
land
trust
to
be
the
holder
of
this
easement,
has
second
thoughts
and
I'll
quote:
saying:
I
wonder
if
the
agriculture
advisory
would
be
okay
with
this
easement
for
this
purpose
also,
the
North
American
land
trust
is
mentioned
in
26
lawsuits
varying
degrees.
D
E
Mr,
chairman
council
members,
citizens
I,
come
before
you
to
request
the
Buncombe
County
Board
of
Commissioners
do
two
things.
First,
disapprove
the
conservation
easement
sought
by
klp
pinners,
which
is
a
thinly
veiled
attempt
to
cloak
with
an
otherwise
laudable
method
of
Environmental
Protection,
a
previously
disapproved
proposal
for
construction
of
multiple
homes
and
town
homes
in
an
area
which
scarcely
has
sufficient
infrastructure
to
support
present
development.
E
This
circumvention
should
not
be
permitted.
Elected
bodies
of
Buncombe
County,
including
this
planning
board,
derive
their
just
powers
from
the
consent
of
citizens
who
consented
to
be
governed
in
exchange.
We,
the
citizens,
expect
you,
the
elected
officials,
to
use
those
powers
to
support
and
defend
our
rights
against
economically
and
politically
powerful
organizations
such
as
klp
pinners.
E
We
seek
simply
that
you
do
your
duty,
as
elected
officials,
to
support
and
defend
the
rights
of
citizens,
deny
klps
duplicitous
and
around
development
proposal
that
impose
a
significant
new
and
unfunded
burdens,
an
already
over-strained
infrastructure
and
close
the
loophole
that
enables
development
companies
to
circumvent
the
intent
of
the
conservation,
easement,
avoid
appropriate
oversight
and
restricts
the
input
of
concerned
citizens.
Thank
you.
F
I'm
Kathy
Anders
I
live
in
the
Oaks
off
of
penner's
Cove
and
I've,
been
there
for
35
years,
so
I
think
I
know
painters
go
pretty
good.
F
We
have
a
group
not
just
penner's
Co
but
neighborhoods
around
that's
called
Next
Door
and
today
this
came
out.
I
did
not
write
it
it's
by
Laurel
York
and
she
says.
F
Maybe
it's
rocket
science
too
difficult
or
impossible
to
be
learned
by
existing
leadership.
You
don't
allow
development
until
you
assure
your
existing
infrastructure
can
handle
it.
Common
sense
tells
you
that
building
and
proper
maintenance
of
supporting
infrastructure
proceeds
allowing
new
development.
Is
that
so
difficult
to
understand.
F
Until
we
can
Reign
this
in,
it
will
continue
to
worsen
it's
symptomatic
or
of
greed
money
before
the
good
of
society.
Let's
put
the
horse
back
where
it
belongs
in
front
of
the
cart,
unquote,
I,
agree
and
I'll
just
say
some
things
that
have
already
been
said.
F
F
This
is
a
loophole
for
this
major
developer
from
up
north
to
come
and
put
300
plus
homes
that
will
carry
two.
Maybe
four
people,
maybe
five.
Imagine
the
water
that
that
is
going
to
be
used.
I,
don't
think
we're
ready
for
that.
We
don't
want
to
ruin.
Asheville
Asheville
has
a
great
reputation.
F
A
Thank
you.
The
the
next
person
that
signed
up
is
Thomas
vendelson
from
54
McIntyre.
G
Again,
oh,
we
got
Thomas
van
Dolson
actually
started
my
comments
in
the
last
meeting,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
kind
of
carry
off
from
there,
because
I
did
run
out
of
time.
I
want
to
Echo
several
things
that
were
said,
but
in
my
opinion
this
is
a
third
bite
at
the
Apple
right,
so
I'm
here,
obviously
about
the
painter's
Cove
development
as
well,
and
where
my
comments
left
off
last
time
is
this,
for
me,
is
an
issue
of
public
trust.
G
I
said
before
and
I
don't
understand
what
we're
doing
here
and
I'll
say
it
again.
I
don't
understand
what
we're
doing
here,
because
this
has
already
decided
the
rezoning
board
said:
no
we're
not
going
to
rezone
seven
to
one
It
was
decided
that
the
plan
would
not
be
accepted
for
all
of
the
legal
and
safety
reasons
that
have
already
been
cited
and
now
we're
here
again
it's
it's
boggles
my
mind
that
we
have
elected
officials
for
this
purpose,
but
we
still
have
to
take
off
of
work.
G
Take
our
time
to
come
down
here
and
state
the
complete
obvious
that
this
is
ridiculous.
They
couldn't
find
anybody
in
I,
don't
know
how
far
it
is
to
Pennsylvania
a
300
mile
radius,
a
conservative
conservation
group
that
would
accept
the
terms
of
this,
because
it
had
no
public
benefit
and
that
nobody
wanted
to
be
associated
with
it.
So
they
went
back
to
Pennsylvania,
which
amazes
me
that
you're
allowed
to
do
that
and
found
somebody
there
to
sponsor
this
bill.
G
That
has
no
connection
to
the
neighborhood
has
never
seen
this
and
and
it's
a
it's
a
loophole
and
I
won't
be
as
kind
I
called
it
a
sham
last
time,
I'm
calling
it
a
sham
now
and
it's
not
thinly
veiled
I
mean
it's.
It's
ridiculous
and
I,
don't
understand
why
we
as
citizens
have
to
gather
and
and
state
this
and
I
think
the
what
it
comes
down
to
is
a
lack
of
trust.
G
If
I
could
trust
that
my
elected
officials
would
see
through
this
and
just
do
the
same,
have
the
same
reaction,
that
this
is
ridiculous,
and
and
how
can
this
even
be
allowed?
I've
heard
before
that?
It's
the
law,
it's
not
supposed
to
make
sense,
but
that's
the
reason
we
have
an
elected
body.
That
is
able
to
use
their
own
discretion
and
virtue
and
intelligence
to
see
through
this
type
of
thing
and
and
just
laugh
it
out
of
the
room.
G
H
Jupiter
North,
Carolina
and
I.
Don't
I
have
a
bad
problem
today,
because
I
got
two
minutes
and
54
seconds
and
the
time
is
just
going
boom
boom
boom
boom
boom
and
I
have
some
suggestions
and
recommendations
for
the
Garbage
Contract
I'd
like
to
remind
you
all
that
when
you
sign
this
contract,
somebody
asked
had
a
smart
comment
as
I
went
to
the
door
and
I'm
looking
at
him,
and
they
said.
H
Oh,
you
think
we
ought
to
sign
this
and
I
said
you
better
sign
this
contract
right
now
before
they
get
out
of
the
room,
because
it's
they're
doing
it
too
cheap,
they're,
lucky
and
you're
lucky
that
they've
been
able
to
survive
as
long
as
they
have
paying
what
they
got
to
pay,
but
there's
lots
of
things
that
you
can
do
if
you
get
involved.
How
many
of
you
rented
a
garbage
truck?
How
many
have
you
been
to
the
landfill?
H
How
many
of
you
gone
around
and
looked
at
your
recyclables
I
can
tell
you
folks,
a
third
of
what
I
put
out
is
recyclables
a
third
of
my
trash
and
it's
very
easy
to
do
it,
and
that
is
a
commodity
that
can
be
sold
period,
not
for
a
lot
of
money
right
now,
but
it
can
be
see
I
hate
to
pull
the
attention
away
from
these
folks
at
penner's
Cove,
because
the
lesson
at
penner's
Cove
is
all
those
houses
means
tax
dollars.
It's
all
about
money.
H
H
People
don't
do
that
they've
given
up
and
if
you've
watched
air
Congress
today
in
Washington
D.C,
you
can
see
why
they've
give
up
that's
why
we've
got
the
largest
growth
in
the
unaffiliated
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina
and
when
it
comes
back
to
conservation,
easement
see
age
does
have
its
Privileges
and
I.
Don't
know
how
much
longer
I
got
because
after
the
election
I've
had
two
surgeries
and
two
more
surgeries:
okay,
but
I'm
still
here
and
I'll,
be
here
till
the
day,
I
die.
H
I
done
told
you
that,
but
I
ask
a
question
a
long
time
ago:
conservation
easements,
who
guarantees
it'll,
be
done
the
way
it's
supposed
to
be
done
150
years
from
now.
Do
you
know
what
my
answer
was,
and
this
is
from
an
attorney
in
this
room?
Well,
we
have
to
trust
people
I,
don't
trust
anybody
that
will
not.
Let
me
have
more
than
three
minutes
to
discuss
how
to
make
garbage
collection
profitable,
and
that
is
a
fact
folks.
A
I
think
you
Mr,
yelton
and
I
hope
that
you
will
stay
around
for
when
we
get
to
the
item
on
the
solid
waste,
because
I
do
actually
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I'd
love
to
ask
you
about
how
about
that
all
right.
The
next
person
on
the
signed
up
is
ethyl
or
Ethel
Hammond
from
478
Barrington
Drive.
I
Hi,
when
I
signed
up
I
didn't
know,
I'd,
be
speaking
so
surprise
on
me,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
this
proposed
development,
pinners
Cove,
which
I
live
and
reside
I've
been
there
about
two
years
and
in
the
two
years
I've
seen
some
pretty
horrific
things
almost
happen
and
happen
on
that
road
with
trucks
that
aren't
supposed
to
be
there,
I
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
all
have
ever
driven
on
pinner's,
Cove,
Road
or
driven
on
pinner's
Cove
at
night,
but
I
do
like
to
go,
enjoy
Asheville
and
the
restaurants
and
concerts
and
things
and
coming
home,
and
that
on
that
road
is
it's
pretty
treacherous?
I
It's
windy!
It's
steep!
It's
narrow!
There
are
blind
spots
and
I
worry
about
having
500
more
vehicles
on
that
road.
It's
not
right!
It's
it's
beyond
the
capacity
of
what
it
can
hold
and
I
think
that
I
understand
you
all
have
already
voted
on
this
once
and
so.
I
again,
I'm
also
very
perplexed
as
to
why
we're
here
again
but
I,
guess:
there's
there's
a
possibility
of
a
loophole
and
a
breakdown
of
what
how
this
land
is.
I
You
know
supposed
to
be
used,
and
so,
if
we
break
down
the
reggae
regulations
for
this
project,
what's
going
to
happen
for
future
projects,
what's
going
to
happen,
you
know
we're
we're
put
in
a
dangerous
situation
that
so
that
someone
can
capitalize
and
make
money
and
so
that
we
can
clean
up
the
mess
and
have
to
deal
with
it.
And
it's
it's
it's
unfair.
It's
scary!
It's
it's
not
right!
I
It's
not
right
that
big
dollars
come
in
and
make
decisions
and
and
ruin
the
way
that
people
live,
and
you
know
I
just
encourage
you
all
to
stand
strong
and
do
the
right
thing
and
that's
why
we
elected
you
so
that
you'll
do
the
right
thing
and
I
have
faith
that
you
will,
and
so.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
A
Thank
you
and
then
the
last
person
that
signed
up
is
Elena
IG.
J
Do
the
same
thing
I
just
thank
you
for
for
being.
J
And
it's
the
same
thing:
I
didn't
realize:
I
was
going
to
be
speaking
either,
but
everything
that
everyone
has
said,
I
Concur
and
you
know,
I-
have
the
same
concerns.
You
know
we
live
right
off
painters,
Cove,
Road,
there's
a
lot
of
traffic.
In
fact,
a
couple
days
ago
we
were
heading
south
on
Pinter's
Cove
and
noticed
that
you
know
the
road
is
very,
very
deteriorated
and
we
wonder
you
know
how
would
this?
J
Even
if
you
know
if
this
can't
pass,
how
are
they
going
to
get
all
those
those
trucks
and
all
that
equipment
up
there
and
all
those
extra
cars
that
would
be
on
the
road
Etc?
So
just
like
everyone
else
has
said,
you
know
it
already
that
got
declined
once
and
how
they
have
been
able
to
circumvent
and
we're
back
here
again
doesn't
even
make
any
sense.
So
we're
trusting
you
guys
to
decline
it
once
again
and
hopefully
it'll
be
behind
us.
So
you
know
everybody
has
had
a
lot
of
really
good
points.
A
A
All
right.
The
next
item
on
the
board
on
the
agenda
is
an
update
from
mayor,
Esther,
manheimer
I,
think
is
here
somewhere
there.
She
is.
A
And
as
she's
coming
up,
I
also
wanted
to
after
after
Esther
shared
some
information
with
us.
I
also
wanted
to
ask
if,
if
Miss
pindered
I'm
sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
if
you
could
also
share
some
updates
about
some
of
the
things
that
the
County's
been
doing
over
there
since
over
the
last
week,
in
particular,
regarding
the
water
issues
in
the
community
and
just
share.
Some
information
with
a
lot
of
folks
have
been
working
hard
with.
K
K
We
were
upon
him
to
do
that.
John
County
Manager
report,
but
we
can
certainly
do
it
right
after
demary's
spoken.
A
L
L
First,
let
me
Begin
by
thanking
you
all
your
commissioner,
brownie
Newman,
and
your
manager
Admiral
reached
out
to
me
during
this
this
last
week
and
offered
assistance
and
help
and
I
want
to
thank
your
emergency
services.
Director,
Taylor
I,
think
sitting
there
in
the
back
for
the
coordination
with
the
city
and
providing
emergency
service
response,
including
bringing
people
water
to
their
doorstep,
who
who
needed
it
and
who
requested
it,
and
then
there
was
a
lot
of
proactive
Provisions
as
well.
So
let
me
just
well
I
swear.
L
Do
you
like
see
yourself
while
you're
outside
this
is
my
first
time
standing
in
this
in
this
box?
So
so
we
we
just
held
a
press
conference.
L
Another
update
about
water,
restoration
efforts
and
the
good
news
is
water
is
fully
restored
to
the
South,
where
we
experienced
an
outage
and
the
remaining
area
where
we
experienced
an
outages
in
the
west
outside
the
city
limits
in
the
in
the
where
your
constituents
reside,
and-
and
so
that's,
where
we're
we're
now
seeing
our
final
restoration
efforts
and
I'm
glad
to
provide
some
more
information
about
that.
But
essentially
the
reason
it's
taking
so
long
is
because
of
the
mountainous
terrain.
L
I've
heard
good
news
today
in
terms
of
the
the
progress
in
filling
those
tanks-
and
that
looks
like
that's
almost
complete
so,
but
we
do
have
in
addition
to
that,
there
are
some
Pockets
if
you
will,
where
the
city's
meet
or
maybe
at
the
street,
but
the
the
subdivision
or
mobile
home
park
or
whatever
residential
area
it
is,
is
served
by
their
own
private
side,
pump
or
tank,
and
then
those
facilities
need
to
be
charged.
L
So
you
might
have
residents
who
live
in
the
lower
area
who
already
have
water,
and
then
you
have
folks
say
well:
I,
don't
have
water
yet
I'm
higher
up
and
so
that
that's
just
a
part
of
the
process
of
getting
the
entire
system.
Recharged
and
everyone
served
so
I
am
available
for
any
kind.
Oh
wait.
Let
me
just
add
on
to
that.
L
So
at
this
press
conference
today
and
as
a
result
of
some
conversations,
we've
had,
the
city
announced
its
intention
to
create
an
outside
advisory
committee
to
do
a
review
of
essentially
what
happened
here
and
you're
and
Mr
Newman
reached
out
to
me
and
asked
whether
or
not
the
commission
could
appoint
a
couple
folks
to
that
advisory
committee.
I
think
that
is
a
great
idea
and
very
appropriate
because
we
have
overlap
in
terms
of
customers
impacted
and
also
because
of
our
collaboration
around
emergency
service
response.
L
So
that
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
This
advisory
committee
would
would
be
made
up
of
subject
matter
experts
in
terms
of
water
service,
water,
delivery,
Emergency,
Services,
emergency
crisis
Communications,
but
then
also
we
need.
We
would
want
a
resident
representative
of
the
residence
impacted
and
a
commercial
user
probably
to
be
on
that
committee
as
well,
to
represent
commercial
users
that
were
impacted.
L
The
idea
would
be
for
this
committee
to
move
swiftly
and
give
us
a
30-day
report,
a
sort
of
a
after
action
if
you
will,
in
terms
of
what
happened
and
then
a
longer
a
longer
term,
maybe
a
90-day
report
of
recommendations
around
Capital
needs
Communications
emergency
response.
If
there
are
any
issues
there,
so
just
kind
of
a
full
set
of
recommendations,
they'll
have
the
daunting
task
of
looking
at
what
is
already
planned
for
Capital
in
our
water
system.
L
We
do
10
million
dollars
worth
of
capital
of
improvements
every
year
already
and
they're
already
planned,
meter
changes
and
other
things
that'll
help
this
situation.
But
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
plan
is
exactly
on
target
with
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
week
and
a
half
so
and
and
if
changes
need
to
be
made
to
that
plan.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
thanks
for
those
those
updates
and
the
ideas
around
the
creation
of
this
Review
Committee
and
Commissioners
any.
Are
there
any
questions
at
this
time.
M
M
You
know
every
time
it
gets
cold
below,
say
around
below
freezing
I've
noticed
it's
happened
in
my
neighborhood,
it
happens
all
over
the
city,
our
pipes
just
crack.
You
know
they
water
spewing
up
everywhere.
You
know,
I
saw
it.
I
passed
Little
Pigs
and
it
looked
like
a
waterfall
something,
but
that
happens
always.
But
my
concern
is
what
are
we
doing
for
permit
preventative
maintenance?
Now,
I
heard
the
manager
and
one
of
your
other
press
conferences,
talk
about
spending,
10
million
dollars,
but
it
the
shape
or
the
condition
of
our
infrastructure
on
water.
M
M
It's
been
a
constant
problem
and
it's
a
taxpayer
now
I'm,
not
speaking
as
a
commissioner,
but
it's
a
taxpayer
I'm
fed
up
with
what
I
see
and
it
appears
to
me
it's
just
mismanagement,
we're
not
doing
what
we
need
to
do
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
citizens
of
Asheville.
You
know
our
taxes
aren't
cheap
here
and
I'm
writing
several
checks,
but
I
don't
mind
paying
my
taxes
but
darn.
It
I
want
to
get
my
money's
worth.
M
You
know,
I
believe
in
paying
for
what
I
get,
but
I
don't
believe
in
paying
for
what
we
don't
get
and
what
I'm
saying
here
is
what
a
hundred
thousand
people
who
live
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
not
to
mention
all
the
people
in
the
county
who
use
our
water
system
they're
asking
the
same
questions,
but
we
don't
seem
to
get
any
answers
or
see
any
progress,
but
I'm
concerned
about
that.
I
mean
and.
L
I
would
be
glad
to
address
yeah
I'd,
be
glad
to
address
a
lot
of
what
you
just
said.
So
we
do
have
a
10
million
dollar
Capital
planning
a
pro
program
in
place
to
upfit
the
water
system.
In
fact,
we
just
completed
a
50
million
dollar,
upgrade
to
the
North
Fork
Reservoir,
to
redo
the
dam
and
that
infrastructure.
We
have
three
facilities
that
provide
water
to
the
water
system,
Norfolk
the
South,
and
we
have
one
additional
one.
L
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
a
lot
of
what
you
said
is
acknowledged
in
terms
of
the
need
to
continue
to
improve
the
system,
but
I
also
want
to
correct
some
things
that
you
said
that
I
do
not
want
the
public
to
misunderstand
one
is
Asheville,
has
a
local
bill
that
restricts
it
from
using
water
Revenue
to
supplement
its
general
fund?
L
L
We
were
in
office,
the
city
and
the
county
were
both
allowed
to
take
five
percent
off
the
water
system.
To
use
the
supplement,
the
general
fund
and
I
think
it
is
agreed
that
during
that
time
period
the
water
system
was
not
adequately
taken
care
of
and
that's
a
long
time
ago.
So
so
in
in
contemporary
days,
we
have
made
an
incredible
effort
to
have
a
strategic
plan
around
Capital
to
invest
in
the
system
and
the
those
monies
aren't
taxpayer
money
like,
in
other
words,
not
tax
revenue.
L
It
is
fees,
it's
fees
paid
by
water
customers
that
pay
into
the
system.
It
is
its
own,
separate,
Enterprise
fund,
and
that
is
how
it's
funded
so
just
to
just
to
clear
that
up.
But
the
need
is
great
and
I
think
you're
right
that
the
need
you
know
you
have
to
balance
the
cost
to
the
customer
to
pay
a
water
bill
versus
what
you
can
do
every
year
to
improve
your
water
system.
L
L
But
there
was
such
incredible
demand
due
to
all
the
breaks
that
had
happened.
We
had
a
lot
of
private
side
breaks
as
well.
Even
our
school
systems
and
places
like
that
that
weren't
even
detected
the
school
systems
were
detected
I
just
want
to
make
clear
I
understand
they
worked
hard
over
the
Christmas
weekend
to
fix
all
the
leaks
in
the
school
system,
but
we
had
private
side
users
that
weren't
aware
that
they
had
leaks
because
no
one
was
there
was
a
holiday,
but.
L
The
I
think
what
we're
going
to
find
when
we
look
at
this
after
action
is
decisions
were
made
about
how
to
distribute
water
throughout
the
system
so
as
not
to
put
the
entire
city
on
a
boil
advisory,
including
the
hospital
system.
But
what
that
meant
was
that
Mills
River
plant
needed
to
come
up
back
online
fast
enough
to
recharge
the
South
and
that
took
longer
than
expected
and
I.
So
I
think
when
we
focus
on
causation
and
prevention
and
I'm
getting
ahead
of
myself
and
I
am
not
an
engineer,
but
I
am
certain.
L
We
are
going
to
find
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
better
to
make
that
plant
more
resilient,
so
it
doesn't
ever
freeze
over
again
in
a
prolonged
period
of
freeze.
It's
only
been
in
operation
since
the
late
90s,
so
I
don't
know
if
we've
ever
simulated
this
situation
exactly
that
we
experienced
this
past
week
and
a
half
but
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
find
that
we
need
to
and
and
from
what
I
heard
water
staff.
L
N
Was
not
fun,
it
felt
like
camping
without
any
of
the
good
parts.
What
I'm
gathering
from
this
is
that
we
there
is
going
to
be
an
analysis,
we're
going
to
have
an
action
plan.
That's
going
to
address
the
why
how
to
fix
it
future,
improved
responses,
better
coordination
with
us
and
city
council
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
all
parts
of
this
community
input
as
part
of
this,
even
for
the
folks
who
are
in
the
Candler
area,
for
example,
who
do
not
necessarily
have
that
same
flow
of
information
coming
to
them.
L
Yeah
I
mean
and
I
think
the
expectation,
and
rightly
so,
of
any
water
customer
is,
you
know
you
everyone's
experienced
a
power
outage
and
they
get
this
instantaneous
text
message
from
Duke
Energy
saying
you
know
your
power's
out
and
we
estimate
your
restoration
to
be.
You
know
four
hours
or
whatever,
whatever
they
give.
You
and
I
think
when,
when
so
many
folks
have
had
that
experience
or
their
cable
goes
out
and
they
get
the
same
kind
of
notification,
they
expect
it
to
be
a
similar
experience
when
their
water
goes
down.
L
L
We
don't
have
it
as
precise
as
that
instantaneous
notification
to
each
customer
affected
and
also
having
that
real-time
data
to
know.
Even
in
you
know
when
you
flip
the
power
back
on.
You
know
the
entire
subdivision
lights
up
at
the
same
time,
but
when
you
turn
the
water
back
on,
you
know
the
first
house
gets
water.
Then
the
next
house
gets
water.
You
know,
so
it
is
a
different
system
in
terms
of
restoration
and
and
I'm.
L
It
still
would
have
been
difficult
in
this
situation,
I
think,
because
of
the
the
outage
being
so
significant
when
you
have
tanks
that
emptied
that
have
to
fill
to
pressurize.
You
know
to
provide
water
to
the
folks
that
live
on
the
next
side
of
the
mountain
or
I
mean
that's,
obviously
been
one
of
the
challenges
in
terms
of
estimating
that
time
time
period
and
failing
to
estimate
it
accurately.
O
Parker
yeah
I've,
one
simple
question
and
I
am
super
supportive
of
a
kind
of
a
Joint
Task
Force
to
look
into
the
what
happened
and
kind
of
what
to
do
next,
but
I
think
I
just
want
to
ask
the
simple
question
because
I'm
not
sure
we're
all
we're
all
clear
and
I'm
sure
you
have
questions
too,
but
just
kind
of
if
you
could
go
back
to
Christmas,
Eve
and
just
kind
of
summarize
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge,
what
you
know
what
happened
and
what
kind
of
dominoes
fell
to
bring
us
to
this
point.
L
So
what
what
I
understand?
Just
as
a
layperson
learning
about
this,
is
that
the
water
intake
at
at
the
South
Asheville
plant,
the
Mills
River
plant,
froze
over
like
a
ice
skating
rink.
If
you
will,
and
so
it
was
not
producing
water
and
apparently
it's
not
as
simple
as
well
just
thaw
it
out,
and
then
it
can
produce
water
again.
So
it
was
not.
L
It
was
not
as
simple
as
that
and
so
and
then
you
know
what
what
I
heard
staff
saying,
I
think
the
first
call
I
was
in
I
did
not
know
about
this
until
Monday
and
the
first
call
I
was
in
was
Tuesday
and
you
know,
staff
was
had
been
saying.
You
know
the
the
stranger
I
told
you,
we
operated
22
million
gallons
a
day.
L
It
had
gone
up
to
28
million,
and
so
what
that
means
is
first
of
all
everyone's
home
and
using
water.
But
it
also
means
there
are
leaks
happening.
Both
we
knew
about
leaks
on
our
side
and
were
had
teams
out
there
the
whole
time
trying
to
repair
them,
but
we
knew
there
were
leaks
on
the
private
side
and
we
knew
the
release
on
the
private
side
that
weren't
even
detected.
L
Yet
so
that's
going
to
show
you
that
really
high
water
demand,
so
we
knew
that
was
I
knew
we
knew
that
was
happening
and
then
I
think
there
were
decisions
made
to
isolate
service
areas
to
make
sure
the
entire
city
didn't
suffer
water
loss
and
have
to
go
on
under
a
boil
water
advisory,
unfortunately,
bringing
that
southern
plant
online
took
longer
and
so
to
read.
L
L
Thank
you.
The
West
is
a
little
different
because
the
West
is
fed.
The
far
west
is
being
fed
by
Norfolk,
but
because
it
lost
pressure,
meaning
the
tank
strained.
We
had
to
bring
in
an
auxiliary
pump
to
speed
up
the
water
restoration
to
that
area.
So
normally
you
wouldn't
need
that.
You
would
have
that
system
pressurized
and
it
would
just
be
continuously
replenishing,
but
with
that
loss
we
had
to
bring
that
system
in
on
it
just
temporarily
to
get
it.
L
A
I
have
just
a
couple
of
logistical
questions
and
and
I
know
that
the
idea
of
the
advisory
committee,
this
kind
of
task
force,
independent
task
force
idea-
is
very
new
right.
So
I,
don't
know
what
level
of
detail
has
been
kind
of
fleshed
out
on
that
yet,
but
just
I
think
we
all
have
this
sense
of
like
we're
going
to
do
this.
Let's,
let's
do
it,
let's
get
these
folks
there,
so
they
can
focus
on
answering
these
questions
and
and
thinking
about
good
recommendations
for
the
future.
A
So
since
we
are
meeting
tonight-
and
we
don't
meet
again
for
two
weeks,
can
you
can
you
share
any
more
detail
with
us
about
how
many
appointments
the
county
will
be
invited
to
make?
L
Yeah
I
I,
so
I
would
hope
that
we
wouldn't
make
it
a
huge
committee.
It
needs
to
be
somewhat
Nimble
to
be
able
to
work
quickly.
I'm
hopeful
that
and
Council
meets
Tuesday
so
a
week
from
tonight
to
be
able
to
vote
to
create
it
around
seven
to
nine
folks.
Maybe
half
of
them
are
water
experts.
You
know
water
people
who
serve
as
the
water
director
of
another
city,
we'd
like
to
see
someone
who
has
experience
in
the
mountains
like
a
Knoxville
or
Johnson
City,
someone
who
has
that
that
experience.
L
You
would
want
folks
that
know
about
plant
operations
and
distribution
service
on
the
water
side,
so
kind
of
engineering
type
type
of
folks
on
that
and
and
I
would
imagine
that
would
be.
L
You
know
two
or
three
people
that
fit
that
category
you
would
want.
I
would
think
someone
who
can
talk
about
the
the
real-time
metering
and
Community
being
able
to
have
that
interface
with
customers,
that's
as
fast
as
possible
and
as
accurate
as
possible.
L
That
may
be
somebody
different
that
has
some
kind
of
more
technology,
expertise,
crisis,
Communications,
maybe
and
then
also
emergency
services.
So
you
know
we
have
operated
with
Buncombe
County
Emergency
Services
to
help
provide
emergency
waters
for
folks
the
2-1-1
system
came
into
play
during
this,
so
maybe
maybe
the
county
would
be
able
to
think
about
somebody
who
fits
that
description
and
then
other
than
those
subject
area.
Experts
I
think
we
would
want
to
someone
who
represents
Residential,
Water
customers
and
someone
who
represents
commercial,
a
commercial
customer.
L
L
I.
You
know,
we'd
certainly
be
open
to
that.
You
know
you
might
think
about
appointing
someone
who
represents
a
residential
customer
and
you're
in
outside
the
city.
So
just
some
thoughts
around
that
we
you
know
there.
It
is
a
little
I
mean
there.
Is
this
there's
definitely
a
sense
of
urgency
around
this,
so
we're
eager
to
try
to
get
it
up
and
running.
I
was
just
talking
with
our
staff
about
kind
of
what
will
need
to
happen
to
make
that
possible
as
quickly
as
possible.
A
Right
that
sounds.
That
sounds
good,
so
we
will
all
I'm
sure
be
reading
more
about
this,
and
you
know
over
the
next
few
days,
but
I
guess
I
would
just
say
that
all
sounds
great
I
mean
there's
those
kind
of
like
technical
experts
sound.
You
know
like.
Obviously
we
want
to
have
that
perspective
there.
These
are
complex
engineering
questions
right
and
but,
but
you
know
also
representing
the
families
and
businesses
as
well.
A
That's
obviously
super
important
too
so
I
guess
I
would
I
would
advocate
for
us
to
basically
kind
of
give,
because
we
have
to
go
through
an
advertising
process
too,
to
sort
of
solicit
people.
So
I
guess
my
suggestion
would
be
that
we
go
ahead
and
kind
of
approve
the
idea
that
once
the
city
council
formally
creates
the
citizen
advisory
committee.
L
It'll
be
a
wait.
Let
me
tell
you
the
name
of
it
so
that
we
don't
because
it's
there
was
some
hold
on
I
can't
get
my
papers
apart.
All
right.
A
Right:
okay,
so
when
the
city
council
approves
the
creation
of
the
independent
Review
Committee
and
assuming
that
it
does
include
these
appointment
opportunities
from
the
County
Commission
that
we
ask
the
county
clerk
to
go
ahead
and
begin
advertising
for
those
positions,
so
that
people
who
are
interested
can
go
ahead
and
apply.
And
then
obviously
we
can
we'll
be
talking
about
it
again
at
our
next
meeting
in
two
weeks.
But
then
that
process
can
have
at
least
gotten
started.
A
So
does
everybody
feel
comfortable
with
that?
Okay
and.
L
You
know
just
kind
of
gel
this
up
a
little
bit
more,
the
you
know
our
staff
is
going
to
go
through
their
internal
after
action
process.
L
They
have
been
documenting
every
decision,
they've
made
everything
they've
done
since
the
beginning
and
but
it,
but
my
hope
is
that
this
independent
Review
Committee
can
that
30-day
kind
of
first
report
can
do
its
own
after
action
from
a
third
party
standpoint
and
then
also,
you
know,
obviously
check
and
review
what
our
staff
has
come
up
with,
and
our
staff
understands
that
and
there
you
know,
welcome
that.
Those
second
second
set
of
eyes,
if
you
will,
but
to
give
everyone,
some
confidence
that
we're
doing
this
is
transparently
and
objectively
as
possible.
P
I
think
just
in
somebody's
building
on
that
and
first
of
all,
thanks
for
coming
in
today,
but
this
feels
you
know
not
disconnected
from
the
collaborative
work
that
happened
during
covid
and
you
know
I
think
all
of
us
recognize
that
we're
sort
of
living
in
a
era
where
there's
increased
need
to
have
the
kind
of
incident,
command
responses
and
EOC
responses,
whether
it's
a
climate
related
or
utility
issue.
P
Or
you
know
some
of
the
other
kind
of
disasters
communities
are
dealing
with
so
appreciate
the
communication
today
and
anything
that
we
from
the
county
can
be
doing
to
continue
to
sort
of
build
and
reinforce
those
collaborative
relationships
at
the
department
level
at
the
staff
level,
but
also
at
the
elected
level
to
learn
from
this,
certainly,
but
also
to
prepare
to
be
as
prepared
as
possible
for
the
range
of
things
our
community
can
see
so
I
hope,
as
this
independent
I've
already
I've
already
reviewed
committee.
Thank
you.
P
Independent
Review
Committee
moves
forward
and
we
get
through
that
timeline
that
maybe,
on
the
other
side
of
that
there
might
be
some
opportunities
for
that.
City
County
discussion
and
discussion
with
other
municipalities
in
the
county
as
well
about
how
we
all
continue
to
sort
of
shore
up
our
systems
around
this,
and
we
appreciate
the
hard
work,
that's
been
happening.
L
A
close
so
yeah
thank
you,
my
husband
teaches
at
Inca
high
school
and
he
he
had
about
five
students
that
were
reporting
to
him
that
they
might
have
had
to
go
to
their
Grandma's
to
take
a
shower.
She
was
on
a
well.
So,
yes,
there
are
still
people
and
it-
and
you
know
to
that
point:
there
are
still
resources.
If
people
need
them,
it
can
be,
they
can
be
delivered
to
their
homes
if
they,
if
they're
in
need
of
drinking
water
or
water
for
sanitation
that
is
still
available
for
folks.
So.
A
If
there's
no
other
questions
for
the
mayor
right
now,
I
did
want
to
ship
over
to
Agro
and
ask
if
you
could
share
a
couple
of
updates
from
the
County's
perspective
and
some
of
the
other
agencies
that
we
work
with
too,
if
they're
available
to
share
some
updates
about
work,
that's
been
done
over
the
over
the
last
week
in
a
few
more
days.
Thank.
K
You,
commissioner,
as
Taylor,
is
making
his
way
I'm
looking
to
get
them
to
pull
up
a
slide.
We
just
have
a
few
slides
about
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
assisting
the
city
with
it
has
definitely
been.
We've
worked
hard
to
collaborate
with
the
city
and
try
to
assist
in
any
way
that
we
can.
So
we
have
some
slides
that
terrible
will
walk
through
at
this
time.
Q
So
so
we
were
outreached
by
the
city
about
outreaching
to
the
state
for
water
procurement,
and
during
that
time
the
state
response
for
this
top
incident
would
be
have
you
met
all
your
local
needs.
You
know
by.
Is
there
anything
unmet?
It's
a
time.
People
are
still
purchasing
water
through
commercial
suppliers.
Q
Okay,
in
that
southern
end
of
the
county
that
was
affected,
where
we
had
instances
of
people
that
could
not
find
water
anymore
on
the
commercial
market
and
the
other
side
to
that
when
the
2-1-1
calls
were
being
made
was
how
do
we
help
the
vulnerable
population,
people
that
were
shut
in?
That
did
not
have
an
ability
to
get
water,
so
this
was
to
impact
those
folks
initially
and
then,
as
we
we
fold
it
out,
we
started
you
know
assisting
folks
directly
as
they
were,
making
those
requests.
Q
One
of
the
things
that
come
out
of
that
was
the
need
for
non-portable
water,
for
flushing,
toilets
for
household
use
that
cleaning
that
type
thing.
So
we
saw
that
and
we'll
get
a
little
more
into
that
on
the
some
slots
and
ahead,
but
what
I
think
the
main
Takeaway
on
this
water
distribution
is
this?
We
got
to
stand
up
and
do
this
quicker
next
time.
Okay,
I
mean
the
communications
cooperation.
You
know
moving
forward
with
that.
Q
I
think
that's
a
lesson
learned,
but
what
I
did
see
and
I've
seen
this
since
covid
is
the
city
and
the
county
worked
really
well
and
the
mission
critical
things
making
it
happen,
putting
water
in
people's
hands
sitting
up
distribution
centers,
all
that
went
really
well
and
we
had
support
from
the
city,
Fire
Marshals,
County,
Fire,
Marshals,
the
city
parks,
the
recreation
department,
Emergency,
Management
staff,
emergency
services,
staff
just
want
to
know
a
fire
department,
Inca
fire
department,
Candler
West
Buncombe.
All
these
departments
were
actively
engaged
into
helping
us.
Q
You
know
get
this
Logistics
and
water
distribution
set
up
also
are
non-profits.
We
had
a
lot
of
conversation
with
hearts
with
hands.
We
had
conversations
with
some
are
faith-based
organizations
about
setting
up,
Emergency
Shelters
shower
needs
through
the
Baptist
Association.
All
those
things
went
really
well.
You
got
to
remember
this
was
also
done
during
a
holiday
and
we
had
good
access
to
people
that
really
stepped
up
to
help
in
any
way
they
could.
Q
Okay,
so
that
part
of
everything
went
really
well
so
Emergency
Services
work
with
HHS
staff
to
actually
we
had
a
conversation
with
Stoney's
team
and
folks
kind
of
going
into
the
cold
weather
or
the
Christmas
holidays.
When
we
see
the
arctic
front
coming
in
to
allow
the
community
paramedics
and
the
all
the
non-profits
that
supports
code
purple
so
that
conversation
started
two
weeks
ago
on
a
Thursday,
you
know,
prior
to
the
holidays
and
the
community
paramedics
did
a
really
good
job
in
outreaching
people
getting
people
in
shelters
and
forcing
the
code
purple.
Q
Q
So
once
we
determined
that
we
had
a
water
outage
and
the
vulnerable
populations,
we
contacted
all
of
the
assisted
living
facilities.
That
was
there.
We
did
not
have
any
unmet
needs
there,
but
we
stayed
in
constant
Communications
with
them
every
day
to
make
sure
that
didn't
change.
We
also
Outreach
to
the
Housing
Authority
had
Communications
with
them
about
any
unmet
needs
there,
and
we
talked
with
a
lot
of
community
leaders.
You
know
doing
this,
which
went
really
well.
Our
public
engagement
team,
the
Lillian's
team,
did
an
outstanding
job
in
getting
the
messaging
out
to
folks.
Q
Once
we
reached
a
point
to
where
we're
running
out
of
water
through
distribution
of
people
being
able
to
buy,
you
know
they
were
having
to
go
to
other
counties,
and
at
that
point
we
made
a
decision
to
create
these
water
distribution
centers
at
Inca,
Fire,
Station,
2,
West
and
Woodfin,
because
that
was
the
West
end.
But
then
the
South
End
was
getting
the
water
restored
and
was
in
a
better
place.
Q
So
with
that
we
set
those
up
and,
as
you
can
see
so
far
in
the
Inca
Candler
area,
over
the
last
three
days,
we've
had
120
households
Outreach
to
us,
for
either
drinking
water
or
for
non-portable
water.
Q
Most
of
that
is
for
non-portable
water,
okay,
Wes
Buncombe
had
around
140
households
and
then
the
Woodfin
station.
We
closed
because
we
only
had
four
folks
that
come
online
a
little
faster
than
we
were
initially
anticipating,
so
we
we
closed
that
location
down
today.
Q
So
we
work
with
the
school
districts
and
Hartsville
hands
and
Sam's
and
some
other
distribution
to
get
that
up
and
not
only
have
a
plan
for
today
but
tomorrow
and
over
the
next
few
days,
as
we
look
into
when
this
wall
water
advisory,
how
long
it
lasts
so
we've
been
working
hand
in
glove
with
them.
Q
I
know:
Avril
had
some
Communications
with
y'all
to
advise
y'all
what's
going
on
there,
and
we
continue
to
support
our
school
system
on
in
the
bottled
water
to
make
sure
that
delivery
stays
in
place
and
we
have
a
good
distribution
Source.
We
for
the
remainder
of
time
until
the
West
End
is
fully
pressurized.
Q
We
intend
to
keep
the
West
Buncombe
station
going
and
the
Inca
station
I
taught
with
Chief
Howard
earlier
in
Inca,
and
he
said
that
traffic
had
increased
a
little
bit
this
afternoon
and
so
and
we're
seeing
that's
kind
of
a
trend
as
people
get
home
they're
coming
in
and
using
it.
Q
So
we
will
continue
to
do
that,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
our
partners
at
the
city
of
Asheville,
Fire
Department,
the
County
fire
departments,
the
Red
Cross
United,
Way,
hearts
with
hands
HHS
and
all
the
other
County
Partners
that
stepped
up
with
us
to
make
this
happen
for
our
citizens.
We've
been
engaged
all
through
the
holidays,
with
the
code
purple
and
with
the
water
outage
issues
and
had
tremendous
support
and
collaboration.
Q
You
know
to
get
those
things
done,
but
moving
forward
I
applaud
the
effort
of
putting
together
this
task
force
to
look
at
this,
because
it's
not
just
water
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at,
but
we
need
an
all
Hazard
approach.
Much
like
we
saw
on
the
senior
officials
Workshop
that
we
did
with
the
Commissioners
when
we
did.
The
winter
storm
exercise
is
having
that
all
Hazard
approach
so
that,
whether
it's
a
power
outage
where
it's
a
water
outages,
we
have
the
resources
and
capabilities
and
infrastructure
respond
to
that
y'all.
Have
any
questions?
R
Q
S
I
want
to
Echo
what
commissioner
Wells
said.
Thank
you
to
you
and
Brittany,
and
all
the
folks
that
were
involved
in
this
and
to
tag
on
to
Lillian
and
her
Cape
team
to
that
Kudos
as
well.
Once
we
heard
from
Lillian,
we
were
really
able
to
start
responding
quicker
and
more
cohesively
to
folks
who
were
reaching
out
to
us
seeking
answers
to
their
questions
as
well.
So
we
know
it
was
a
team
effort.
We
really
appreciate
all
y'all
so.
Q
I
want
to
I
want
to
tell
all
the
Commissioners
I
want
to
take
just
a
second
to
brag
on
not
only
my
team
but
the
whole
emergency
services
team,
the
Sheriff's
Office.
You
know
we've
all
since
covid
had
this
one
bunkum
work
together
and
unified,
and
through
our
County
managers,
leadership
and
our
Sheriff's
leadership
and
the
Commissioners
you
know
just
like
y'all.
Just
supporting
you
know
the
public
safety
is
the
number
one
priority.
Q
A
All
right
thanks,
Taylor,
all
right,
commissioner,
is
there
any
other
questions
all
right
fast.
N
For
clarity,
is
it
fair
to
say
Opera,
it's
gonna
be
a
question
for
you.
Is
it
fair
to
say
that
these
Anka
and
Wes
Buncombe
are
going
to
remain
open
until
this
is
completely
resolved
for
everybody?
Okay,.
K
Okay,
no
sir,
to
Taylor's
point
I:
do
want
to
really
thank
the
fire
departments
for
stepping
in
and
doing
this,
because
it's
their
staff
and
their
water
that
they
have
been
working
to
do
this
without
any
cost
of
compensation.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
that
team
and,
as
Taylor
mentioned,
when
I
put
the
call
out
for
Leland
and
her
team,
everyone
was
on
holiday.
They
all
answered
and
came
in
and
worked
that
entire
time
to
get
information
out
and
to
pull
together.
K
Our
team,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
staff.
As
you
all
know,
I
was
out
of
pocket
for
the
first
part
of
this
and
when
I
got
back
and
saw
those
emails,
and
we
said
okay,
we
need
to
come
together.
Every
single
person
came
in
and
gave
up
their
time
didn't
even
think
about
it.
So
I
do
want
to
thank
the
team
for
doing
that.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
acknowledging
all
that
all
those
folks
who
have
contributed
I
had
just
one
other
comment.
Maybe
for
the
for
the
mayor,
just
got
the
whole
everybody
here.
The
only
other
comment
I
would
I
would
just
make
as
a
as
a
request
for
consideration.
A
As
the
city
council
is
thinking
about
the
composition
of
this
independent
review
group
and
again,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appoint
some
folks
to
work
in
with
that
group
and
I
agree
with
the
ideas
around
the
technical
experts,
as
well
as
the
different
other
perspectives
that
are
valuable
and
I
guess.
A
My
only
request
would
be
to
maybe
consider
in
terms
of
the
positions
the
county
would
appoint
to
it
that
maybe
there
you
know,
is
kind
of
this
list
of
like
here's
perspectives
we
think
are
valuable
but
to
provide
some
flexibility
on
it
too.
A
Just
because
I
know
that,
like
when
you
open
up
these
kind
of
processes,
you
never
know
exactly
who
might
kind
of
be
interested,
and
so
I
just
would
ask
that
we're
not
perhaps
Define
it
too
narrowly
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
consider
some
some
really
strong
people
who
might
come
forward
and
be
interested
in
working
with
the
group.
So
just
a
thought
so.
L
I
and
I
think
we
could
draft
it
so
that
it
just
designates
a
number
of
positions
rather
than
a
detail
describes
who
the
county?
You
know
what
what
category
of
with
fuel,
but
do
you
feel
like
two
positions
on
the
advisory
committee
is
appropriate?
Do
you
think
three
or
do
you
want
it
to
be
a
percentage
What's.
A
L
And
I
can
contact
you
later
in
the
week
if
it's
looking
like
it'll,
be
different.
If,
if
the
council's,
you
know
enlarging
it,
but
assuming
it's
in
that.
A
L
A
All
right:
the
next
item
is
a
presentation
on
the
ambulance,
franchise
request,
Mountain
Area,
ground,
non-emergency
transportation
and
Michael
Free
Will
present.
This
item.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Commissioners,
we're
here
for
a
presentation
today,
because
there's
no
briefing
agenda
got
Jamie
Judd
and
do
we
have
Tony
Campbell
and
Chris
okay.
So
this
is
a
request,
an
application
to
the
county.
Pursuant
to
our
ordinances,
by
magnet,
that's
Mountain,
Area
ground,
non-emergency
transportation.
There
they
want
to
provide
non-emergency
or
convalescent
Transportation
with
emergency
home
Partners
in
the
county
under
franchise.
T
Jamie,
Judd
and
I,
along
with
Taylor
Jones,
met
with
the
magnet
Representatives
last
month
and
found
that
they
appeared
to
meet
all
aspects
of
the
county
ordinances
for
a
grant
of
a
franchise.
And
if
there's
no
objection
after
presentation
today,
we'd
intend
to
bring
this
forward
at
the
next
meeting.
For
your
consideration,
just
two
things
to
note:
if
the
board
were
to
approve
granting
such
a
franchise
or
preliminary
discussions,
there
would
be
for
a
one
year
period
And
if
they
perform
adequately
and
pursuant
their
licensure
with
the
state
omes.
T
The
only
thing
I'll
point
out
as
well
before
Jamie
takes
over
is
that
there'd
be
a
very
marginal
impact
on
EMS
revenues,
because
it'd
be
taken
out
of
some
of
the
convalescent
transport,
but
that
would
be
more
than
outweighed
by
the
benefit
of
having
our
ambulance
trucks
available,
hopefully
much
more
often
for
emergency
transportation,
rather
than
making
the
being
tied
up
for
three
or
four
sometimes
longer
hours
of
time
on
a
non-emergency
transport.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Judd.
U
So
they
have
been
established
by
Mr
fruit
said
they
have
been
approached
us
pre-covid
and
then
the
code
had
kind
of
slowed
everybody
down
on
moving
this
forward
and
better
point
now
to
pick
back
up
and
and
move
forward
with
the
franchise
they
are
requesting,
the
the
franchise
for
stretchered
transport
under
State
rule
that
makes
them
fall
under
the
EMS
system.
That's
the
reason
for
the
the
franchise
agreement
keep
in
coordinates
in
order
to
get
a
license
from
the
state.
U
They
have
to
have
a
franchise
with
the
county
prior
to
that
and
they
follow
underneath
the
EMS
system
and
the
medical
direction
from
Dr
Harin
overall,
as
well
as
follow
the
rules
of
the
system
going
forward
if
the
franchise
is
awarded
and
they
achieve
licensure
with
the
state
currently
discounted.
The
effect
on
the
county
as
a
whole,
there's
only
one
other
private
Ambulance
Service,
that's
established
inside
the
county
that
provides
convalescent
Services
when
convalescent
Services
aren't
available.
The
911
system
is
obligated
to
provide
those
those
Services.
U
It
makes
up
a
small
percentage
of
our
our
total
call
volume,
but
we
are
seeing
that
impact
start
to
increase
over
the
last
couple
years.
Looking
back
to
calendar
year
21,
it
was
about
1.2
percent
of
our
call
volume
where
these
type
of
transports,
where
for
calendar
year
22
it
had
risen
to
1.9
percent.
So
again,
it's
a
small
percentage,
but
it
is
starting
to
rise
and
it
does
have
an
impact
overall
on
the
system,
because
these
transports
are
generally
what
we
call
weight
and
return.
U
So
you
will
take
the
patient
to
a
facility,
wait
for
them
to
have
the
procedure,
their
examination
and
then
return
them
back
to
the
originating
point,
and
so
the
that
crew
is
tied
up,
usually
several
hours
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
would
free
up
a
911
truck
with
minimal
impact.
We
expect
to
our
revenues
overall.
U
So
you
know
our
position
is
to
move
forward
with
this
and
bring
them
into
the
system
and
support
their
licensure
through
the
state.
With
that
we
do
have
the
representatives
here
have
any
questions
from
us
or
from
them
around
this
before
we
take
it,
bring
it
to
you
back
to
you
in
two
weeks
for
approval.
A
A
Miss
Pinder
any
other
items
under
County
manager's
report.
Yes,.
K
Sir,
we
have
a
follow-up
from
the
Department
economy,
strategic
plan.
This
came
before
you
several
months
ago.
You
have
questions
for
follow-up.
We
try
to
bring
it
back
just
before
before
the
holidays,
but
because
of
time
we
were
not
able
to
finish
it.
So
we
put
it
on
this
agenda.
Instead
of
having
a
briefing,
we
only
had
two
items
for
briefing
and
you
just
heard
from
one
and
the
other
one.
Is
this
strategic
plan
and
Matt
Baker's
going
to
present?
Thank
you.
V
So,
as
Miss
Pinder
was
saying
previously
in
this
fiscal
year,
we
had
discussed
this
with
you
at
length
and
following
that
presentation,
it's
about
ahead,
more
questions
of
economic
tenor,
and
this
is
our
response
to
that
or
our
attempted
response
to
those
questions
you
should
have
received
earlier
today.
A
memo
that
goes
into
greater
detail
and
that
memo
is
also
into
the
meeting
packet
minutes.
V
And
but
what
you're
going
to
see
here
on
your
screen
here
is
a
much
more
concise,
bulleted
version
of
that,
and
it
will
not
cover
every
topic.
V
The
topics
that
you
brought
forward
or
covered
in
Greater
detail
in
that
memo,
and
they
include
data,
that's
stratified
by
race
and
that's
in
ethnicity,
as
well
as
a
deeper
dive
into
some
of
the
wage
statistics
as
well.
Starting
from
the
top,
you
asked
a
question
around
median
wage
as
compared
to
the
state.
V
Now
this
is
for
the
actual
MSA
not
for
the
county,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification
off
the
bat
so
for
the
actual
MSA
that
median
wage
is
37
356
dollars,
whereas
with
the
state
of
North
Carolina
is
just
over
thirty.
Eight
thousand
dollars
and,
as
a
slight
indicates,
wages
are
flattening
in
Buncombe
County
and
in
the
actual
MSA
in
particular,
while
North
Carolina
averages
are
continuing
to
rise.
We
are
seeing
that
trend.
V
V
So
that's
not
for
the
total
population,
19.2
percent
or
six
thousand
almost
500
people
who
are
disabled
and
that's
any
kind
of
type
of
federally
mandated
mandate,
I'm,
sorry,
federally
declared
disability
and
then
nine
percent
or
four
thousand
five
hundred
seniors,
who
here
seniors,
are
defined
as
those
who
are
aged
65
and
older.
V
Just
a
note
on
the
poverty
line.
So
poverty
is
not
a,
as
you
may
know,
not
a
simple
construct
in
terms
of
a
data
situation,
so
there's
different
levels
of
poverty,
there's
less
than
50
percent
of
the
poverty
line,
less
than
100
of
the
poverty
line.
Less
than
125
percent
of
the
poverty
line,
and
so
on
what
you're
seeing
here
is
data,
that's
at
the
less
than
100
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
line,
and
that
figure
is
further
Complicated
by
the
fact
that
it
depends
upon
your
household
size.
V
V
You
also
asked
two
questions
around
the
impact
of
working
mothers,
leaving
the
workforce
and
the
effect
of
limited
Child
Care
on
poverty,
and
these
two
items
are
related
in
at
least
one
way,
and
that
is
that
they
are
difficult
to
find
extant
data
on
without
having
done
a
specific
survey
around
this.
The
best
we
can
do
are
some
proxy
measures
to
look
at
this,
and
those
are
right
here
listed
is
fact
that
there
are
more
women
than
men
in
Buncombe
County,
and
that
is
not
specific
to
Lincoln
County.
That's
a
national
Trend
as
well,
however.
V
The
labor
force
participation
rate
for
women
in
Bogan
county
is
almost
eight
percent
lower
than
it
is
for
men
and
nationally
women
shoulder
the
burden
of
Child
Care
on
a
daily
basis.
V
Men
average
around
1.6
hours
per
day,
whereas
women
average
almost
twice
that
and
child
care
is
defined
as
education-based
activities
play
General
household
activities
with
children
and
things
of
that
nature
by
the
American
time
use
survey
29
of
all
children
birth
through
pre
pre-K
in
Buncombe
County,
are
enrolled
in
licensed
care,
so
that
statistic
speaks
to
The
Limited
Child,
Care,
effects
on
poverty.
V
So
we
want
to
talk
about
median
hourly
wage
by
major
occupation
sector,
as
you
can
see
here,
these
are
ranked
by
highest
to
lowest
and
that
red
line
you
see
is
the
just
economics
living
wage
for
2021
unless
otherwise
indicated.
All
the
data
in
this
report
is
from
2021
is
that
vintage
and
that's
the
most
complete
year
2020
use
not
2022
is
not
going
to
be
great
for
quite
a
while.
V
You
can
see
that
there
are
several
major
occupation
sectors
that
fall
below
that
just
economic
living
wage
in
aggregate
there
may
be
positions
or
or
jobs
within
those
occupation
sectors
that
exceed
it,
but
when
you
put
them
all
together,
the
median
wage
is
is
lower
than
that
average.
On
the
whole,
an
example
of
these.
So
if
you
look
at
education
and
instruction
you're,
you're
thinking,
Pre-K
teachers,
transportation
and
material
moving
stalkers,
for
instance,
and
then
food
prep
and
serving
related
positions,
you
think
Busters
line
Cooks
things
of
that
nature.
V
V
There
are
some
occupations
that
the
BLS
does
not
including
their
statistics,
and
one
of
those
are
public
school
teachers
because
they
are
not
classified
as
year-round.
They
are
seasonal,
broadly
speaking,
in
the
National
economy,
and
so
those
figures
are
actually
not
released,
so
no,
they
do
not
they're
not
included
there.
V
Not,
and
you
can
find
that
additional
detail
on
that
in
the
full
report
in
the
full
memo.
R
Okay,
so
are
they
included
in
the
the
wages,
the
Buncombe
County
wages?
That
number
is
that
everything
yes.
V
In
that,
in
that,
in
that
median
wage,
yes,
they
would
be
including
that,
because
we
can
get
to
that
on
an
annual
basis,
but
when
you're
looking
at
median
hourly
wage,
they
do
not
break
that
down.
Okay,
they
also
do
not
break
it
down
for
the
jobs
that
make
over
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour
effectively.
So
you're
not
going
to
see
you
know,
surgeons
in
here.
R
So
one
more
question
about
the
median
wage
in
that
aspect.
While
we're
there,
you
said
that
the
that
you're,
seeing
that
the
Buncombe
County
wages
are
flattening,
do
you
have
any
kind
of
insight
I
think
you
said
that
was
flattening,
whereas
North
Carolina
wages
are
continuing
to
rise?
Do
you
have
any
insight.
V
I
can
I
don't
want
to
speculate,
but
I
can
report
that
when
I
went
to
previously
to
an
economic
conference,
one
of
the
economists
that
was
there
was
speaking
was
speaking
to
the
fact
that
North
Carolina
generally
is
having
a
technology
boom.
V
However,
primarily
that
technology
boom,
that
is,
lifting
wages
across
the
state,
is
centered
in
areas
such
as
Charlotte,
Wilmington
and
Research.
Triangle
Park
Asheville
is
not
among
those,
so
it
would
I
would
I
would
speculate,
and
it
is
just
that
that
it
has
to
do
more
with
our
industrial
makeup
than
it
does
anything
else.
V
Any
further
questions
on
this
slide,
not
oops
I,
went
the
wrong
way.
So
this
fault,
this
final
slide,
is
around
affordable
housing.
V
This
is
looking
at
renters
versus
owners
of
homes,
and
the
takeaway
from
this
is
that
those
who
rent
or
more
cost
burdened
on
a
per
capita
basis,
even
though
you
should
hear
from
the
coloration
that
there
are
definitely
more
people
who
own
homes
in
rent
homes
and
aggregate
on
a
per
capita
basis,
people
who
rent
are
much
more
cost
burdened,
including
severely
cost
burdened
defining
that
cost
burden
is
paying
over
30
percent
of
your
income,
your
gross
income
for
housing
and
utilities,
and
if
I
miss
one
Mr
cable
can
correct
me
severely
cost
burden
is
50
or
more
of
your
gross
income
as
defined
by
the
National
Housing
Act.
V
So
that
is
the
sole
take
away
from
that
particular
slide.
Any
questions
on
this
one
and
again
you
have
the
full
memo.
If
you
want
to
go
into
greater
detail,
I,
don't
know
how
much,
how
much
time,
if
any
you've
had
to
peruse
it.
But
if
you
do
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
that
right
now
or
later.
P
Thank
you
as
well,
just
to
very
brief,
somewhat
related
update
for
from
the
early
childhood
world
for
the
full
commission
that
relates
to
this.
P
You
all
will
recall
that
we
funded
a
two-year
pilot
focused
on
Pre-K
expansion
as
part
of
our
arpa
funding
strategies
and
one
of
the
leads
strategies
within
that
was
increasing
pay
for
NC
Pre-K
teachers,
and
that
has
now
gone
to
an
effect.
So
I
just
wanted
to
report
back
to
the
full
commission,
as
we
talk
about
wages
that,
because
of
that
two-year
pilot,
that
the
county
is
funding,
NC
Pre-K
teachers
locally
in
Buncombe
County
have
received
a
wage
increase
with
an
average
percentage
increase
of
23
percent.
P
That's
about
386
dollars
per
pay
period
that
people
are
getting
an
increase
in
wages
and
teachers
have
also
received
a
pay
increase.
So
a
lot
of
what
we
talk
about
with
economics
can
get
pretty
theoretical
and
complex
pretty
quickly,
but
another
way
to
think
about
it
is
when
more
money
moves
to
people
they
get
higher
wages
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
helps
to
start
changing
some
of
these
trend
lines.
P
K
There's
one
group
I
neglected
to
mention
when
I
said
all,
but
thank
you
to
the
team
and
I
want
to
make
sure
you
go
and
point
that
out
and
it
was
environmental
health.
That's
been
a
group
that
has
been
working
with
all
of
our
restaurants,
making
sure
that
they
knew
how
to
operate
on
a
boil
water
or
no
water,
no
pressure,
and
they
have
been
very
instrumental
in
our
community
right
now.
So
I
do
want
to
make
sure
I
look
them
up
and
say.
Thank
you
to
that
group
as
well.
A
All
right,
great,
okay:
the
next
item
is
under
new
business
and
it's
a
resolution
authorizing
execution
of
a
non-warranty
deed.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Commissioners
here
today
to
just
to
bring
forward
a
request
from
Mr
Pete
gasperson
through
his
attorney
Robert
B
Long
Junior
Esquire,
whom
I've
known
for
35
years
and
has
forgotten
more
law
than
I
will
ever
know.
They
have
made
a
request
of
the
county
to
Grant
a
non-warranted
deed.
This
is
kind
of
unusual
because
there's
a
plat
Skyland
Skyland
Forest
Skyland
Springs,
a
plat
filed
almost
100
years
ago,
two
parcels,
and
if
can
you
bring
up
that
one
slide
here?
It
is
so
this
is
right.
T
Next
to
the
railroad
two
Parcels
from
the
railroad
between
Hendersonville
and
Sweden
Creek
Road
right
up
there.
The
parking
lot
above
is
the
Skyland
Methodist
Church.
So
the
original
plat
file
did
not
include
that
blue
one,
the
subject
parcel
or
the
one
closest
to
the
railway.
They
were
added
on
another
plat
later.
What
I
think
the
record
would
show
here
is
that
the
title
for
this
property
is
bad,
but
in
1946
a
predecessor
to
Mr
gasperson
came
to
the
tax
office
on
a
discovery
Bill
and
paid
it.
T
There
was
no
tax
foreclosure
that
we
can
find.
There
was
no
commissioner's
deed
or
other
transaction
at
that
time,
but
the
tax
office
listed
the
property
in
Mr
gasperson's
name,
and
he
and
his
predecessors
have
been
paying
taxes
on
this
parcel
ever
since
Mr
long
can
add
anything
he
would
like
at
this
point,
but
this
is
a
request.
It's
an
accommodation
just
to
recognize
the
state
of
facts
to
Grant
a
title.
T
B
G
A
A
All
right,
the
next
item
under
new
business
is
consideration
of
the
Waste
Pro
fee
increase
and
Dane
Peterson
is
here
to
present
some
additional
information
about
this
item,
which
we
were
briefed
on
at
our
last
meeting
as
well.
Yes,.
W
Sir
Mr
chairman
members
board
good
afternoon
Happy
New
Year.
My
name
is
Dane
Peterson
Buncombe,
County,
Solid,
Waste
director
and,
as
you
mentioned
chairman,
the
December
5th
brief
and
County
Solid
Waste
staff
and
Waste
Pro
Staff
brought
information
on
waste,
Pro's
intent
to
request
a
fee
increase
chip,
Jingles
regional
vice
president
with
Waste
Pro
and
Tim
Owens
who's.
The
Asheville
manager
is
here
with
us
tonight,
so
we
appreciate
y'all
being
here
and
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
chip
to
discuss
this
formal
request
you
have
before
you.
X
So
in
just
a
few
factors
for
consideration,
we
really
appreciate
it.
We
appreciate
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
the
county
and
we
want
you
to
know
that
you
know
we're
committed
to
continuing
our
investment
in
the
community.
You
know
we
have
increased
wages,
a
lot
we
have
Capital
spend
that's.
You
know
going
to
go
forth.
Every
year
this
year,
we're
budgeted
for
well
over
one
million
dollars
in
capital,
spend
and
we're
going
to
up
our
efforts
on
customer
education.
X
It's
one
thing:
we've
been
working
with
the
dean
staff
on
the
customer
education,
especially
when
it
comes
to
recycled
materials,
what
materials
are
acceptable
and
what
things
are
not
so
and
I
think
that
the
first
big
push
we
have
is
to
get
the
bags
out
of
the
recycle.
So
everyone
should
know
that
when
you
put
a
bag
in
the
recycle
container
that
contaminates
the
whole
load,
so
we
don't
want
plastic
bags
in
the
recycle.
X
Also,
too,
you
know
we're
very
focused
on
our
recruitment
here
locally,
you
know
we
we
do
have
a
regional
base
recruiter.
You
know
we
have
upped
our
involvement
and,
with
job
fairs
here
locally
a
lot
more
advertising.
We
found
that
actual
signs
actually
work
the
best
that
we've
been
putting
signs
out
throughout
the
community,
those
seem
to
work
and
we
have
a
up
to
a
five
thousand
dollar
sign-on
bonus
with
our
company
and
comprehensive
benefit
package.
X
As
we
stated
earlier,
the
request
that
we're
Inc
requesting
the
increase
that
we
are
requesting
is
for
39
additional
cents
per
home.
That
will
be
a
very
partial,
covering
of
the
increased
cost
that
we're
experiencing
again
we're
going
to
work
on
the
educational
materials
and
also
making
sure
that
we
get
the
right
materials
in
the
Recycled
container.
X
You
know
a
few
facts
on
this
November
2021
when
we
were
receiving
a
rebate
of
19
per
ton
for
the
recyclables.
This
past
November
we're
being
charged
63
dollars
per
ton,
as
you
can
see
quite
the
difference
in
the
amount
of
the
rebate
versus
what
we
get
so
it
represents
a
82
a
ton
difference
year
over
year.
So
it's
been
very
drastic
and
had
a
big
impact
on
our
business.
X
A
A
Yeah
no
I
appreciate
you
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
first.
H
I
want
to
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
at
this
and
I
think
you
ought
to
do
it
throughout
the
upcoming
year.
On
anything,
you
vote
on.
Let's
speak,
especially
since
you're
called
in
three
minutes:
okay
right
but
number
one.
Yes,
they
bid
and
they
bid
to
get
the
business
and
they
are
suffering
I,
don't
think
their
rate
increase
is
enough
and
I'm
sorry
I.
H
H
H
H
H
You
collect
it
with
the
taxes
and
then
you
send
a
check
on
a
monthly
basis
to
Waste
Pro.
They
don't
have
to
go
run
it
down,
try
to
find
it
or
whatever,
and
that
will
save
everybody
a
lot
of
money
and
give
you
better
service
and
I'll
end
with
this
for
God's
sakes,
don't
even
question
doing
away
with
the
franchise,
because
I
can
tell
you
this
morning.
I
was
talking
to
a
friend
of
mine
in
Hendersonville.
H
They
probably
pay
30
to
40
percent
more
than
we
do
in
Buncombe,
County
and
guess
what
their
procedure
is.
Everybody
had
it
that
wants
to
pick
up
garbage
and
you
got
three
and
four
trucks
running
down
the
same
road.
You
don't
run
those
trucks
for
nothing
nowadays
with
diesel.
What
it
is.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
explain
what.
A
It
was
he
yeah
did
what
I
wanted
to
do,
except
just
share
with
zones
of
mine
so
and
I
appreciate
you
serving
on
the
citizens
group
that
helped
advise
around
the
franchise
agreement,
so
Don's
been
involved
in
these
issues
a
long
time.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
sharing.
A
A
You
know
the.
Let
me
ask
this
one
question:
just
I
apologize
for
if
I'm
not
remembering
this,
is
this:
the
first
time
that
there's
the
inflation
and
just
adjuster,
which
is
automatic
and
that's
already
gone
into
effect
or
is
going
into
effect.
We
were
advised
on
that,
but
that's
not
something.
That's
reviewed.
It's
part
of
the
formula
for
the
under
the
franchise
agreement,
so
there's
already
been
the
inflation
adjustment
upward
under
well.
While
this
franchise
agreement
has
been
in
effect,
have
we
done
the
other
discretionary
adjustment
previously
or
just?
W
Is
the
under
this
current
contract
so
we're
entering
year?
Four
now,
so,
let's
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
where
we
started
and
the
RFP
that
we
that
the
county
sent
out
in
2019
when
we
Pro
was
rewarded,
the
the
bid
for
that
they
were
1921.,
and
that
was
the
effective
fee.
We
started
with
the
per
subscriber
or
per
home
per
month,
the
first
two
years
of
the
contract
for
our
ordinance
and
part
of
the
franchise
agreement.
W
There
was
no
increase
allowed
right,
so
there
was
no
consideration
there,
because
that
there
just
wasn't
Guinea.
So
in
2000,
let's
see
so
then.
In
for
year
2022
the
the
CPI
adjustment
was
6.9
percent.
K
Commissioner
and
I'll
I'll
add
this
as
well.
When
they
first
started
the
conversation
to
Don's
point,
it
was
much
higher
than
39
cents
and
we've
worked
with
them
to
bring
into
something
that
we
felt
was
reasonable.
At
this
point,
so
Chip
has
worked
with
his
team
to
bring
that
from
over
two
dollars
to
39
cents,
so
they
have
done
some
work
to
move
it
down
from
the
two
dollars.
X
A
You
know
I
mean
we're
gonna
need
to
make
a
decision
on
this
one
way
or
the
other
just
thinking
about
thinking
about
this
like
for
the
future
like
if
we
were
gonna,
do
you
know
another
franchise
agreement
and,
let's
say
waste
Pros
interested
in
and
it's
selected
for
it
I
mean
the
you
know,
the
the
you
know,
the
idea
of
like
the
inflation
adjustments
or
having
like
a
fuel
adjuster
or
even
maybe
there's
certain
things
that
are
so
important
to
the
business
model
like
Don
was
referencing
like
around
key
recycling,
Commodities
or
something
I
mean
I
like
I,
like
the
idea
of
the
of
there
being
a
clear
formula.
A
That's
driving
these
adjustments
right
I
mean
when
inflation
goes
up.
I,
don't
like
that.
There's
an
increase
but
I
get
it
right,
like
those
are
real
costs.
A
This
is
a
lot
harder
right,
because
this
is
this
is
purely
discretion.
Discretional
I
understand
that
y'all
can
point
to
some
different
costs,
but
it's
it's.
It
seems
like
a
lot,
a
lot
more
subjective
kind
of
decision,
so
I
don't
know
just
for
the
future.
I
mean
it's
what
we
have
today,
so
we've
got
to
make
a
decision,
but
to
the
extent
that
we
can
just
kind
of
have
these
things
tracked
by
really
clear
objective
criteria
in
the
future.
I
just
think:
that's,
that's!
That's
the
ideal,
probably
not
saying
anything.
A
Y'all
haven't
thought
about
what
more
than
I
have,
but
just
just
an
observation,
because
it's
sort
of
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
feel
like
I
mean,
of
course,
for
my
constituents.
I,
don't
want
to
vote
for
this
right
like
why
would
I
right,
but
we
want
this
to
you
know
we
want
this
to
work
as
well,
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
know
to
personally
have
like
a
really
specific
opinion
about
like
what
is
the
correct
decision
on
this.
A
It's
something
that
I
think
you'd
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time,
really
digging
into
the
Weeds
on
which,
at
our
level,
it's
it's
not
something
I!
Think,
from
a
real
practical
standpoint,
we're
in
a
great
position
to
do
so,
I'm
just
hearing
a
few
thoughts
on
what
I
think
is
like
a
it's
a
hard
decision
to
make
Commissioners
any
questions
or
comments.
R
Question
since
we're
talking
recycling,
if
I'm,
remembering
correctly
Dane
from
my
earlier
presentation
when
you
all
were
talking
about,
there
was
a
lot
of
recycling
in
the
waste
stream
that
was
actually
being
put
in
the
trash
rather
than
the
recycling
and
I
think
with
Waste
Pro
you're.
Picking
up
that's
every
other
week
that
you
actually
pick
up
recycling.
Is
that
correct,
okay,
so
I,
just
I
feel
like
that's
something
that
we
need
to
look
into
or
think
about
in
the
future,
because
I
wonder
from
your
perspective,
Dane.
R
Do
you
think
more
of
that's
going
into
the
waste
stream,
because
the
recycling
is
only
being
picked
up
every
other
week
and
I
will
just
say
well,
I
have
this
opportunity?
I
will
really
love
it
when
I
no
longer
have
to
get
any
complaints
about
recycling
not
being
picked
up
and
so
I
know.
You
all
are
working
on
improving
that,
but
I
sure
would
appreciate
it
if
you
were
continue
to
work
on
that.
Still
get
a
lot
of
emails
and
phone
calls
about
recycling
not
being
picked
up.
W
Thank
you,
commissioner
and
chairman
for
the
feedback
and
I
think
it's
all
something
that
we
need
to
think
about.
As
we
look
to
position
the
services
moving
forward
again,
you
know
we're
in
year
four
of
the
five-year
base
contract.
There
is
extension
options
right,
so
at
the
end
of
this
term,
there's
two
two-year
extensions.
W
If,
if
the
commission
board
wanted
to
exercise
those
I
think
those
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
talk
about
with,
you
know
we
reference
kovid
and
the
Amazon
of
things
and
people
working
from
home
and
all
this
packaging
and
material
when
we
set
up
in
the
contract
to
do
that
every
other
week,
recycle
collection.
W
We
mirrored
a
lot
of
what
the
city
of
Asheville
had
had
success
when
success
with
for
a
lot
of
years,
less
frequency
of
collection,
hopefully
less
costs
passed
through
to
subscribers,
but
I-
think
it's
something
we
need
to
look
at
is
you
know
what's
the
best
for
for
the
customers
and
the
citizens?
So
definitely
definitely
good
good
feedback.
S
Before
commissioner
rules
made
the
comment
about
picking
up,
recycling,
I
was
actually
going
to
say
thank
you
for
addressing
those
when
they
do
come
in.
I
know
that
when
folks
have
reached
out
I've
reached
out
directly
to
Dane
and
sometimes
chip
and
I've,
seen
personally
in
the
area
where
I
live,
where
those
folks
have
called
to
say
my
recycling
didn't
get
picked
up
on
a
Friday.
You
know
Friday
at
6,
7
PM
I've.
S
Seen
that
truck
coming
to
pick
up
you
know,
a
single
recycling
can
so
I
appreciate
the
responsiveness
and
the
one-offs
and
how
seriously
you've
taken
that
when
folks
have
reached
out
directly
to
us
even
over
the
holidays,
too
I
know
I'd
reach
out
to
Dane.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
for
the
smaller
trucks
too,
particularly
on
you
know
smaller
Country,
Roads
and
dirt
and
gravel
roads.
It
has
certainly
made
a
difference
for
a
lot
of
of
constituents
in
my
district
that
I've
heard
from
so.
Thank
you
for
that
as
well.
A
Exactly
further
discussion,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye
all
opposed
I.
Thank
you
guys
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Y
We
have
our
short
presentation
by
Philip
Hardin.
You
had
asked
for
some
additional
information
around
some
of
the
housing
assistance
at
our
budget
Retreat,
and
we
had
planned
to
provide
that
information
to
you
in
a
memo.
But
with
this
timely
budget
amendment
we
thought
it
would
be
prudent
to
bring
Philip
here
to
chat
about
these,
and
then
we
can
go
ahead
and
do
the
budget
amendment.
Z
Good
evening,
Commissioners
I'll
try
to
make
this
quick
and
just
give
you
a
little
background
of
the
housing
programs
that
we've
run
so
far,
because
it
does
get
a
little
confusing
over
time.
So
the
first
program
talked
about
is
the
Community
Development
block
grant,
which
we're
still
running.
We
received
that
money,
I
think
in
August
of
2021
and
have
30
months
or
until
January
2024
to
spend.
We
served
about
800,
182
families.
So
far
we
have
a
little
over
360
000
of
those
dollars
left.
Z
Z
Emergency
rental
assistance-
one
these
are
dollars
that
we
got
directly
from
U.S
treasury.
We
received
these
in
January
of
2021.
It
was
about
7.8
million
dollars.
Those
dollars
are
gone
and
have
been
gone
for
a
number
of
months.
Now
we
served
almost
2
700
people
and
remember:
we've
talked
about
the
definitions
of
these
with
era1
or
emergency.
You
had
to
have
an
income
loss,
meaning
you
had
to
have
lost
a
job.
Z
You
had
to
have
reduced
hours
laid
off
those
kinds
of
things
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
era
one
and
those
dollars
had
to
be
expended
by
September
30th
of
2022
as
of
last
year,
and
then
we
received
some
money
from
the
state.
It's
really
the
same
money.
It
was
the
federal
dollars
that
were
well.
Excuse
me,
this
is
emergency
rental
assistance.
Two.
This
is
out
of
the
second
stimulus
bill.
We
receive
these
dollars
in
about
May
of
2021
right
at
6.1
million.
There's
those
dollars
are
gone
in
about
nine
months.
Z
We
served
a
little
over
2100
families.
We
had
until
September
30th
of
2020.
to
spend
those
dollars.
The
definition
is
a
financial
loss
during
coven,
so
it
wasn't
necessarily
an
income
loss
and
the
example
I
always
give
is.
You
could
possibly
be
eligible
for
the
era.
Two
dollars
is
say
your
car
broke
down
and
you
had
to
have
a
car
repair.
You
had
a
financial
loss
to
some
extent
or
medical
bills.
You
could
possibly
be
eligible
for
emergency
rental
assistance
too.
With
with
that.
Z
Then
we
received
a
two
allocations
of
emergency
rental
assistance,
one
through
the
state.
These
were
federal
dollars
that
were
funneled
through
the
state
and
the
state
set
aside
some
of
the
dollars
that
they
got.
They
got
about
550
million
out
of
that
allocation.
They
they
ran
the
NC
hope
program
for
the
87
counties
that
did
not
receive
direct
allocations
and
they
set
aside
some
money
for
those
counties
that
receive
direct
allocation.
Z
This
Buncombe
was
one
of
those,
so
we
received
our
first
allocation
about
two
and
a
half
million
in
February
of
last
year
and
then
another
two
and
a
half
million
in
June.
We
spent
the
vast
majority
of
that
five
million
dollars.
We
did
return
some
dollars.
We
only
had
until
September
30th
of
last
year
to
expend
those
dollars
and
we
ran
out
of
time
and
you
could
not
pay
past
September
30th
either.
So
we
we
just
ran
out
of
time
with
those
dollars
and
then.
Z
Was
about
it
was
right
at
a
million
dollars.
Z
In
a
six-month
period
we
just
didn't
have
the
time
to
spend
the
dollars
that
they
had
allocated
to
us
and
we're
here
tonight
to
talk
about
era,
NC
Pro
2..
These
are
emergency
rental
assistance
dollars
of
the
second
variety
to
same
thing
happened:
the
the
state
set
aside
allocations
for
counties
that
got
Direct
that
direct
allocation
which
we've
expended,
so
we
could
request
the
dollars
from
the
state
and
it's
right
at
7.9
million
dollars
that
are
available
once
again.
All
you
have
to
have
is
a
financial
hardship.
Z
During
covid
we
have
until
September
30th
2025
to
expend
those
dollars.
My
anticipation
is,
we
probably
can
spend
that
in
about
15
months
and
we've
not
taken
any
applications
since
we
ran
out
of
era
one
at
the
beginning
of
September,
so
we've
not
provided
any
rental
assistance
to
our
residents.
Since
that
point,
this
will
allow
us
to
restart
the
program.
R
Z
Working
with
County
communications,
we've
got
a
press
release,
getting
ready
to
go
out.
The
budget
amendment
is
approved
and
we
will
do
that
with
flyers
and
work
with
County
communications
staff.
To
get
that
word
out,
our
Our
Hope
would
be
if
the
budget
amendments
proved
it
will
start
taking
applications
again
tomorrow
we
have
had
a
number
of
people
who
have
just
been
kind
of
waiting
for
us.
We,
we
kind
of
knew
these
dollars.
Z
Sat
there
so
I
mean
people
have
been
calling
almost
on
a
weekly
basis
to
say
have
you
have
you
received
the
dollars
yet
and
we
still
have
some
applications
that
we
weren't
able
to
serve
at
the
end
of
September,
because
we've
ran
out
of
time
and
we
ran
out
of
money
and
couldn't
spend
the
money
past
September
the
30th,
so
we
can
we
can
serve
those
applications.
Also.
Y
So,
as
Philip
said,
North
Carolina
pandemic
recovery
office
has
provided
additional
funding
of
seven
million
nine
hundred
eighty
thousand
six
hundred
ninety
nine
dollars.
Five
percent
of
this
award
three
hundred
ninety
nine
thousand
thirty
three
dollars
may
be
used
for
administrative
costs
and
will
continue
to
support
three
previously
approved
temporary
positions,
as
well
as
contracted
services
for
additional
staff
as
necessary
to
administer
the
benefits.
No
new
County
funding
will
be
needed
in
fiscal
year
23.
R
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
post
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
Commissioners.
We
have
some
board
appointments
and
the
first
is
the
juvenile
crime
prevention
Council.
A
A
R
A
A
There's
a
recommendation
on
Tyshawn
Johnson.
He
was
also
just
appointed
to
the
JCC
juvenile
crime
prevention.
Council.
A
A
And
Lamar,
the
recommendation
is
from
the
commission
on
the
appointment.
It
is
okay.
AA
A
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right:
the
Justice
Resource
advisory
Council.
If.
AA
If
I
may,
can
we
possibly
add
Martin
Moore
to
this
I?
Think
Jasmine
has
stated
that
commissioner
Moore
wanted
to
also
be
a
part
of
this
appointment
as
well.
A
That's
separate
from
the
citizen
appointment
is
correct:
yeah,
okay,
it
would
be
just
rotating
Jasmine
off
and
Martin
on
exactly
right.
Okay,
all
right!
Let's
still,
let's
address
the
the
reappointment.
A
Second,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
make
a
motion
to
appoint
Jasmine
Beach
to
to
point
Martin
Moore
in
Jasmine
Beach
ferrar's
current
position,
all
in
favor,
say
I
I,
any
post.
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right
on
the
historic
Resources
Commission.
There's
three
open
positions:
there's
four
applicants-
and
there
were
interviews
conducted
today
and
so
and
I
I
talked
to
I
tried
to
speak
with
everybody.
I
don't
know
if
I
got
everyone,
but
I
I
think
there
is.
There
was
some
question
about
whether
to
fill
two
or
three.
My
feedback
I
heard
is
I.
A
Think
the
majority
of
Commissioners
do
want
to
fill
all
three
of
the
positions
at
the
meeting
this
evening
right
so
so,
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
just
let's
just
go
down
the
line
and
I
guess.
A
Each
commissioner
should
identify
the
three
candidates
that
there
are
up
to
three
candidates
that
they're
most
supportive
of
Terry
asked
me
well.
If
we're
could
I
could
I
if
there's
two
I
really
supported
the
most,
could
I
just
vote
for
those
two
I.
Don't
know
that
we
have
any
specific
like
protocols
around
that,
but
I
guess
I
would
say
that's
okay
with
me.
Does
anybody
have
any
objections
about
that?
We
have
three
positions,
so
you
could
vote
for
up
to
three
people
or,
if
there's
two,
that
you
really
feel
strongly
about.
A
I
wanted
to
vote
for
this
too
we're
even
one
I
guess,
that's
okay,
who,
whichever
three
candidates
get
named
the
most,
would
be
those
that
are
appointed.
Does
that
all
sound
okay
as
a
process?
Okay,
well,
I'll
start
over
on
Martin's
side
and
folks.
Commissioners
can
identify
one
two
or
three
people.
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
Leslie,
Carey,
Christopher,
German
and
Annie
McDonald
will
be
appointed.
Does
that
consistent
with
what
you
heard
Lamar?
That
is
correct?
Okay,
all
right,
we
appreciate
everyone
who
applied.
Those
are
all
the
boards
and
commissions
any
other
boards
and
commission
items
that
you
need
to
share
for
us.
Lamar.
AA
We
talked
last
meeting
about
scheduling
interviews
for
the
reparations
of
commission
on
the
17th
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
if
that
is
okay,
there's
also
a
request
for
us
to
interview
for
the
Strategic
partnership
grants
committee
as
well
as
Woodfin
Water,
District
board
I.
Think
there
was
a
conversation
last
week
about
that
as
well.
So
we
have
quite
a
few
potential
interviews
coming
up.
A
AA
Just
to
give
a
little
background,
somebody
is
resigning
from
that
board
that
Board
of
Trustees,
but
that
person
is
appointed
through
an
election,
but
we
have
by
Statute.
We
have
to
make
that
appointment
until
the
next
election,
which
is
November
of
2023.,
so
they
will
be
an
a
person
that
gets
that
seat
during
the
election
got.
A
It
all
right
and
so
Lamar
you're,
suggesting
that
we
do
interviews
on
Tuesday
the
17th
before
our
meetings.
AA
We
didn't
specifically
have
a
time
there
was
still
questions
about
what
time
we
wanted
to
do.
That
I
will
say
that
right
now
we
have
eight
applicants
for
the
community
reparations
commission
and
we
have
for
strategic
Partnership.
If
that
is
an
option
to
do
that,
we
have
seven,
and
then
we
have
two
applicants
for
the
Woodfin
water
district
as
well.
So
so
right
now
we're
looking
at
potentially
like.
If
everybody
is
available
to
interview
no
less
than
17
.,
we.
A
AA
AA
Position
when
we,
when
we
talked
about
that
the
last
time
that
was
part
of
the
discussion,
the
city
had
alternates,
that
they
had
that
weren't
appointed
and
that
are
already
part
of
the
existing
body.
They
are
going
to
all
of
the
meetings.
So
that
was
an
option
when
I
send
the
applicant.
The
applications
to
you
I
will
include
the
alternates
that
the
city
has
that
have
not
been
appointed.
AA
And-
and
that
was
a
larger
discussion
that
we
had
when
we
discussed
that
and
I
think
County
assistant,
County,
Manager
DK
Wesley
also
was
part
of
that
discussion
as
well.
If
there
needs
to
be
any
additional
questions
about
that.
AA
AA
A
Commissioners,
do
let's
start
with
just
strategic
Partners
y'all
want
to
interview
everybody
who's
applied
and
there's.
No.
Has
it
closed
so
anybody
else
can
apply.
It
has.
AA
A
All
right,
why
don't
you
you
don't
have
to
do
that
right
now,
but
are
there
any
because
I
think
we
might
need
to
just
like
Lamar
might
need
to
take
some
time
to
figure
out.
This
is
the
math
around
like
what
time
the
interviews
start
in
order
to
be
done
by
three
o'clock,
so
you
want
to
just
do
that
and
then
you'll.
Let
us
know
what
time
the
interviews
will
start.
Oh.
AA
Well,
does
anybody
have
any
objection
to
start
and
at
noon
if
we
need
to.
A
We
have
a
meeting
with
the
then
we
have
a
meeting
with
the
city
that
day,
so
we
might
have
to
look
at
that,
but
I
I
would
say.
Don't
don't
worry
about
that
for
right
now,
just
why
don't
you
figure
out
what
time
the
media,
the
interviews
need
to
start
and
let
us
know
and
we'll
figure
out
whatever
we
need
to
do
all
right.
Thank.
AA
AA
I
will
I
will
argue
with
that
as
well,
because
we
do
have
more
interviews
to
do
or
another
board,
but
I
know
we
don't
have
the
time
to
do
it
on
the
17th,
but
going
forward
we're
going
to
have
land
of
Sky.
We
have
a
lot
of
applicants
for
the
land
of
Sky
appointment.
It's
like
eight
applicants
that
apply
for
that
for
the
economic
development
representative
and
then
we're
going
to
have
just
to
give
you
more
information.
A
So
anyway,
if
anybody
else
feels
the
same
way,
let
me
know
I
think
the
idea
that
we're
all
spending
all
of
our
time
doing
all
of
that
is
not
the
best
use
of
everyone's
time
and
as
committee
would
do,
and
the
committee
would
do
it
better
than
everyone
doing
it
right
because
like
when,
like
the
communities
we
have
like,
you
can
like
drill
into
it
and
actually
spend
the
time
on
it
that
it
deserves.
Instead
of
like
the
way
it
works
right
now.
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
one
more.
P
A
Right:
okay,
that's
all
the
items
on
our
agenda.
A
A
couple
of
announcements:
January
17th
at
3
pm,
the
County
Commissioners
will
hold
a
briefing
meeting
at
200
College
Street
room
326
in
downtown
Asheville
January
17th
at
5
PM.
The
County
Commissioners
will
hold
a
regular
meeting
at
200
College
Street
room
326
in
downtown
Asheville.
Is
there
any
for
a
closed
session.
T
Yes,
sir
Mr
chairman
Commissioners,
pursuant
to
General
statute,
143
318-11
A5
to
discuss
the
price
and
other
material
terms
of
potential
real
estate
transaction
and
under
subsection
A3
to
legal
matters,
to
discuss
with
attorneys
employed
by
the
county.
In
order
to
retain
the
attorney
client
privilege,
we
are
looking
for
direction
from
the
board.
A
Is
there
a
motion
to
go
into
closed
sessions
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
the
Commissioners
won't
take
any
action
when
the
closed
session's
over
we'll
just
adjourn.
The
meeting.