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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners' Regular Meeting (April 17, 2018)
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This is the regular meeting of the Board of Commissioners for April 17, 2018.
A
Every
year
on,
April
22nd
people
from
all
walks
of
life
from
around
our
country
and
from
countries
around
the
world
celebrate
Earth
Day.
This
is
a
day
for
people
to
come
together
to
celebrate
the
creation
that
sustains
life
on
our
world
and
to
recognize
our
responsibility
to
be
stewards
of
the
creation,
as
we
gather
this
afternoon
on
this
beautiful
day,
thankful
that
it
seems
that
spring
has
finally
arrived
again.
A
Let
us
remember
how
fortunate
we
are
to
live
in
these
mountains
in
this
very
special
part
of
the
creation.
Let's
have
a
moment
of
silence
before
we
start
our
work
this
evening
for
silent
prayer
and
appreciation
for
our
Mountain
home
that
we
have
inherited
and
to
dedicate
ourselves
to
caring
for
it,
for
our
children
and
for
those
who
will
come
after.
Please
join
me
in
a
moment
of
silence.
A
B
A
Is
there
any
item
on
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
would
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board?
Member?
Does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board?
Today,
there
being
none
all
board.
Members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
all
items
that
are
voted
on
by
the
board
tonight.
All
right.
We
now
move
to
the
consent
agenda
and
I
will
ask
mr.
fruit
to
again
share
some
information
with
us
about
the
item
that
you
ask
that
we
add
to
the
agenda.
C
Mr.
chairman
commissioners,
we're
here
today
to
ask
the
board
to
accept
the
lowest
responsible,
responsive
bid
on
the
new
construction
project
about
to
occur
up
at
the
landfill
which
this
board
previously
approved
for
the
project
in
the
funding.
What
we're
what
we're
trying
to
do-
and
this
is
really
sort
of
a
kickoff,
for
it's
been
the
tradition
under
the
formal
county
managers.
You
use
various
elements
of
the
budget
ordinances
to
to
simply
confer
power
to
the
Chairman
or
the
county
manager,
or
either
of
them
to
accept
bids
for
construction
projects.
C
Once
they're
part
of
the
budget
and
they've
been
approved
by
the
board
when
you,
when
you
read
the
General
Statutes
carefully
and
you
and
we're
moving
to
take
away
those
elements
from
the
budget
ordinance,
we
have
situations
where
we
simply
have
a
needs
assessment
approvals
by
the
board
for
funding.
Then
we
put
together
the
bid
package
and
we
evaluate
and
assess
the
bids
and
then
come
to
the
board
for
a
formal
bid.
C
Acceptance
and
this
situation
here,
the
lowest
responsible,
responsive
bid
for
the
project
is
young
and
McQueen
for
1
million,
one
hundred
and
eighty
seven
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
dollars.
If
you
have
any
particular
questions
about
the
project,
we
have
our
director
of
the
landfill
chip
jingles
here
today,
or
perhaps
a
Jim
Holland
could
answer.
But
that's
what
we're
asking
for
approval
was
previously
approved
by
the
board
for
the
project
and
the
funding,
and
this
is
just
to
accept
the
bid
and
authorize
the
execution
of
the
contract
and
to
proceed.
D
A
D
A
All
right,
so,
is
that
a
motion
to
add
this
item
to
the
regular
agenda
for
the
evening.
Yes,
all
right,
all
right,
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
to
add
this
to
the
regular
agenda
item
and
any
further
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed
all
right,
we'll
add
it
to
the
regular
agenda.
Why
don't
we
take
it
up?
E
I
had
my
microphone
off
who
serve
on
the
JC
PC,
there's
a
lot
of
it's
a
very
involved
process
and
folks
take
that
role
very
seriously
and
their
County
staff
involved
with
that,
and
so
many
different
partner
organizations.
So
just
want
to
hear
you
all
to
hear
from
us
a
thank
you,
an
appreciation
for
that
service.
B
A
Discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
youth
opioid
summit
report
and
xoauth
tofu
with
community
health,
HHS
and
Emani
Mosley
of
Asheville
high
will
give
us
a
report
on
the
success
of
this
summit.
So
thank
you
for
being
with
us
and
please
join
us
at
the
pony,
podium
and
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you.
F
Good
evening,
yes,
last
Thursday
we
had
the
opportunity
to
finally
host
a
six
or
seven
months
in
the
making
student
summit
on
opioids,
so
we
were
so
fortunate
to
have
the
buy-in
and
support
of
our
Buncombe
County
principals
and
administrators,
who
in
August
said.
Yes,
we
want
to
welcome
this
in-school
support.
We
want
to
welcome
students
to
be
able
to
have
focus
groups
to
really
be
able
to
tell
us
what
do
they
know
about
opioids
and
how
do
they
want
to
get
involved
in
the
solution?
F
So,
in
addition
to
helping
to
kind
of
carve
out
what
that
curriculum
would
look
like,
they
also
were
our
primary
media
managers
and
so
from
holding
the
camera
to
developing
the
our
logo.
For
the
conference,
as
well
as
actually
doing
social
messaging
on
various
platforms,
this
was
all
student
driven
shortly.
I'll
introduce
Imani
Mosley.
Not
only
was
she
one
of
our
core
spokes
students
is
also
a
media
manager,
she's
also
going
to
be
entering
this
fall.
F
Central,
University
and
she's
also
Miss
Asheville
high,
so
we
were
so
such
well-rounded,
such
talented
and
such
engaged
students
in
this.
So
the
big
takeaway
is
what
happens
next,
so
I
just
want
to
share
with
you
three
outcomes.
We
produced
entry
and
exit
polls
for
the
students,
so
that
day
they
told
us
immediately.
What
do
they
know
on
about
ten
different
measures
about
opioids,
as
well
as
addiction,
three
important
numbers,
so
in
terms
of
is
it
safe
to
share?
F
We
had
an
increase
in
22%
of
understanding
from
our
students
in
the
dangers
and
sharing
medications
in
terms
of
the
morbidity
rates,
or
excuse
me
the
mortality
rates.
They
learned
that
actually
there's
more
people
that
are
dying
from
opioid
addictions
rather
than
car
accidents,
and
there
was
a
forty
forty
five
percent
increase
in
awareness
on
that
and
then
finally,
in
terms
of
the
addiction
for
that
do,
is
it
hard
to
kick
the
habit?
We
had
a
twenty
seven
percent
increase
in
awareness
on
what
the
risk
of
addiction
is.
So
thank
you.
G
First
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
all
for
letting
me
report
back
on
the
student
summit
to
you.
So
a
little
background
about
it.
We
really
started
in
like
2017
during
the
fall
and
took
planning,
and
all
that
other
things
and
myself
being
involved
in
the
school
health
Advisory
Council
for
Asheville
City
Schools
in
Oakland,
County
I'm,
the
student
representative
from
Asheville
City
Schools
and
from
there
I
was
recruited
to
be
in
the
focus
groups
who
helped
give
more
input
about
the
summit
and
then
during
Mike
Spring
on
Thursday.
G
We
decided
to
do
this
summit
and,
as
a
high
school
student
I
felt
like
it
was
really
that
we
should
focus
with
the
students,
because
it's
becoming
an
epidemic,
that's
starting
to
affect
the
youth
more
than
it
is
adults,
because
personally,
I
had
I,
know
someone
who
had
overdosed
and
passed
away
from.
You
know
overdose
and
so
here's
an
overview
of
the
summit
that
starting
2017
a
wide
variety
of
students
were
chosen
by
school
administrators
to
participate
in
the
focus
groups,
and
the
focus
groups
were
led
by
the
school
nurses
and
throughout
our
schools.
G
So
the
summit
chucks
followed
the
head
heart
hand,
cream
work
and
the
head
was
to
learn
and
learned
adverse
psychological
and
biological
impact
of
opioids.
The
heart
was
to
how
it
can
impact
your
dreams
and,
like
your
relationships
with
other
people
and
hand,
was
helping
to
get
him
out
and
knowing
when
to
say
something
to
someone.
If
they
have
an
issue.
G
G
So
there
were
80
students
there.
This
is
our
first
summit,
the
first
one
in
the
Western
North
Carolina
and
which
is
we
were
really
ecstatic
to
have
80
students
from
14
schools
there.
They
were
all
from
Buncombe,
County,
Asheville
city
in
medicine,
and
then
we
all
got
the
chance
to
learn
more
about
each
other
and
not
only
like
each
other
schools,
but
as
well
as
like
the
health
policies
that
you
that
all
of
our
schools
have
and
how
we
can
bring
them
together.
G
The
students
were
encouraged
to
share
their
experience
at
the
summit
with
their
leaders
in
state
and
national
level.
The
social
media
managers
and
student
post
during
and
after
the
event
were
elected
tweeted
by
the
US
Surgeon
General,
dr.
Jerome
Adams
and
the
Attorney
General
Justin
and
NCD
HHS
secretary,
dr.
Mandy
Cohen.
So
we
really
made
it
to
like
a
big
impact
and
I
was
happy
that
I
could
be
like
on
the
board
to
spread
the
word,
and
we
also
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
like
see.
G
If
you
all
would
think
that
we
can
continue
this
and
make
it
an
even
bigger
summit
and
like
for
next
year
as
the
years
goes
on,
because
we're
trying
to
like
increase
everybody's
knowledge
about
it
and
instead
of
reaching
only
Western,
okay
I,
don't
want
to
reach
the
whole
North
Carolina.
Things
like
that.
So
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
report
on
the
summit
and
any
questions
that
you
all
have
I'll
be
happy
to
answer.
No.
B
A
You
thank
you
very
much.
It's
brilliant
and
much
needed.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
one
of
its
one
of
this
groups.
You
know
most
important
priorities
as
a
governing
body,
and
we
know
that
that
the
that
the
most
powerful
solutions
are
going
to
be
found
within
the
community
in
efforts
like
this.
So
thank
you
so
much
what
you're
doing
and
keep
it
up
all
right.
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
real,
the
North
Carolina
Real
ID
update
and
Blake
King
with
the
North
Carolina
Department
of
Transportation
will
explain
what
the
NC
Real
ID
that
will
make
it
more
convenient
when
you
need
to
board
a
commercial
airplane
or
visit
the
military
base
or
other
federal
facilities
and
beginning
in
2020
federal
agencies
will
enforce
tougher
security
standards
at
airport,
check-ins,
federal
buildings,
military
installations
and
nuclear
sites.
So
an
important
topic
coming
up
for
so
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
Thank.
I
H
We're
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
some
time.
I'm
one
of
the
public
relations
officers
for
the
Department
of
Transportation
and
I
have
been
so
fortunate
to
be
assigned
to
work
with
the
Division
of
Motor
Vehicles
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
won't
keep
you
all
too
terribly
long.
As
you
mentioned
chairman,
it
is
imperative
for
travel
for
visiting
any
military
bases,
federal
facilities
that
might
check
for
identification
and,
as
he
indicated,
of
nuclear
power
plants
following
the
September
11
terrorist
attacks,
the
federal
government
passed
a
law
called
the
Real
ID
Act.
H
That
requires
every
state
to
issue
identification
that
meets
a
stricter
requirement
for
issuing
any
IDs
driver
licenses
or
learner's
permits.
The
Real
ID
Act
is
overseen
by
the
Department
of
Homeland.
Security
I
can't
stress
enough
that
it
is
a
federal
law
and
not
the
state
of
North
Carolina,
asking
you
all
to
provide
any
additional
documentation.
The
increase
in
security
comes
from
the
second
step
of
reaffirming
and
verifying
the
identity
and
the
residency
of
every
single
cardholder.
H
H
H
Real
ID
is
available
again
for
any
driver
license,
learn
a
permit
or
identification
card.
The
key
takeaway.
If
you
want
to
continue
to
travel
and
just
use
your
license
for
flying
or
getting
on
a
military
base,
you're
going
to
need
to
get
this
star.
Add
it
to
your
license.
Without
it,
you
will
start,
you
will
be
required
to
provide
additional
documentation
every
time
you
visit
again
the
security
pieces.
All
licenses
are
now
issued
from
one
location.
You
will
no
longer
get
it
in
the
offices
same
day
anymore.
That's
one
of
those.
H
Many
security
features
that
Real
ID
provides.
The
card,
as
you
know,
was
redesigned
from
the
blue
cartoon
L.
What
we
I
think
have
called
the
pink
card,
and
every
state
has
a
similar
design.
Colors
are
different,
but
they
have
14
security,
features
that
make
these
cars
less
likely
to
be
duplicated
and
used
in
any
fraudulent
manners.
H
Every
single
DMV
employee
that
might
ever
touch
your
driving
record,
whether
it's
an
exam
or
examiner,
or
the
staff
that
works
in
the
backend.
That
verifies
your
identification.
They
all
had
to
be
background,
checked
and
they
all
had
to
have
their
fingerprints
taken
to
make
sure
that
they
are
allowed
to
touch
your
personal
identification.
H
So
this
new
card
again
is
a
heightened
security
measure
for
everyone.
So
if
you
don't
get
a
star
and
you
visit
the
driver
license
office
and/or
you.
If
you
have
visited
law
office
since
we
started
issuing
in
May
of
2017,
you
probably
received
a
cart
that
says
not
for
federal
identification
if
you
didn't
bring
in
the
appropriate
documents
and
I'll
run
through
those
very
quickly
in
just
a
couple
of
slides.
H
If
you
renewed
your
license
online
or
ordered
a
duplicate
license
online,
you
probably
received
a
card
that
said
not
for
federal
identification,
because
you
did
not
visit
the
driver
license
office
to
bring
your
your
documents
for
a
real
ID
again.
You're
gonna
have
to
plan
ahead.
If
you
don't
have
the
star
in
your
license
and
if
you
don't
have
a
passport,
the
majority
of
North
Carolinians
don't
have
passports,
so
they
are
going
to
again
be
affected
by
this
new
law.
H
You'll
need
to
call
TSA
every
time
you
get
ready
to
fly
to
make
sure
you
have
the
right
documents
if
you
have
to
go
to
a
military
base
for
any
reason,
you'll
need
to
contact
them
before
you
visit
and
there
is
no
standard
list
of
additional
documentation
that
they
accept.
So
Real
ID,
a
lot
like
Visa,
is
accepted
everywhere,
but
for
anyone
without
a
real
ID
you're
gonna
have
to
check-in
in
advance
every
single
time
you
visit.
H
I
can't
stress
that
enough
to
make
sure
you
have
the
appropriate
documents,
because
we'd
hate
for
someone
to
show
up
to
Disney
to
the
airport
to
go,
take
their
family
to
Disney
on
October,
2nd
2020
and
parents.
Don't
have
the
right
documents
to
get
through
TSA
and
the
whole
family's
turned
away.
You
won't
be
able
to
fly.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
here
today
in
doing
this
sort
of
outreach
to
let
people
understand
to
help
people
understand
how
important
this
new
identification
is.
H
It's
not
very
different
from
what
the
DMV
has
always
required.
The
only
real
difference
is
a
second
proof
of
your
address.
The
DMV
has
always
asked
that
you
prove
your
identity
and
your
date
of
birth
they've
always
asked
that
you
prove
that
you're
allowed
to
be
in
the
United
States,
that
you
have
a
social
security
number
and
that
you
live
in
North
Carolina.
But
now
we
need
to
see
that
second
proof
and
there
are
some
specific
documents
that
the
federal
government
will
allow.
H
You
need
to
bring
in
one
document
again
that
identifies
who
you
are
and
when
you
were
born
and
that
you're
allowed
to
be
in
the
United
States
a
certified
birth
certificate
or
a
passport.
If
you
were
from
a
state
that
is
already
issuing
Real
ID
and
you
have
a
real
ID
say
from
Ohio,
you
can
use
that
to
help
establish
your
identity
and
if
you
weren't
born
here,
you
still
are
eligible
to
get
a
real
idea.
You
just
need
to
bring
in
one
of
these
documents.
H
Certified
documents
are
very
important
for
your
birth
certificate.
It
has
to
be
the
one
with
the
Reyes
seal.
It
cannot
be
the
hospital
version
that
you
got
as
a
momento
with
your
footprint
on
it.
That
will
not
be
accepted
in
the
driver
license
office,
and
if
your
name
has
changed,
you
bring
in
your
birth
certificate
and
your
name
is
no
longer
the
same.
If
you've
been
married
or
anything
else
or
adopted,
and
your
name
was
changed,
you
need
to
bring
some
documents
that
verify
that
name
change
again.
H
Getting
a
real
idea
is
a
lot
like
getting
a
license
for
the
very
first
time,
because
you
have
to
establish
again
who
you
are
and
and
where
you
you
live.
So,
ladies,
will
need
to
find
those
certified
marriage
certificates
or
order
new
ones.
Okay,
prove
yourself,
security,
number,
your
social
security
card
or
one
of
these
three
documents
that
has
your
full
name
and
full
social,
and
we
just
finished
filing
taxes,
so
your
w-2
would
suffice
or
a
1099
if
you
are
retired
any
two
documents
with
your
current
address.
That
could
be
your
North
Carolina
license.
H
If
your
address
is
up
to
date,
there,
your
vehicle
registration
card,
a
utility
bill
or
a
cable
bill.
Military
orders
will
suffice
for
this,
but
you
just
need
to
documents
that
verify
your
current
North
Carolina
address
minors
that
might
be
traveling
alone,
they're,
going
to
visit,
grandparents
they're,
not
accompanied
by
an
adult,
and
they
are
going
to
fly
an
airport.
They
will
need
to
furnish
a
real
ID
or
additional
documentation
if
they
don't
have
a
passport.
We
recognize
that
they
don't.
H
They
don't
have
a
lot
of
mail,
they
don't
have
bills
and
for
those
that
are
getting
their
license
for
the
first
time
they
might
not
have
a
license
or
ID
card
already.
So
we
came
up
with
a
list
of
documents
that
would
take
care
of
the
residency
piece
of
Real
ID.
Any
correspondence
from
the
scouts
would
work
or,
if
they're,
on
any
athletic
teams,
you
can
bring
that
in
as
long
as
it
has
their
name
and
their
address
school
records.
H
Their
report
card
would
work
magazine
subscriptions
if
you
filed
your
taxes
and
you
claim
them
as
a
dependent
and
you
listed
their
name.
Your
tax
return
could
just
with
that.
Haney
hunting
and
fishing
license
will
work
for
minors.
It
will
not
work
for
you,
they
can
use
theirs.
You
should
have
more
documents
to
establish
your
your
residence,
but
we
recognize
this
might
be
one
additional
piece
that
would
help
any
minors.
It's
also
a
great
way
to
establish
their
identity
early
to
prevent
any
identity
fraud
for
them
later
on.
H
You
can
call
DMV
call
center
to
make
an
appointment
if
you
ever
see
one
of
our
mobile
offices
out
at
the
Mountain
State
Fair
or
at
the
State
Fair
in
Raleigh
or
any
other
festival
or
an
event
you're.
More
than
welcome
to
take
your
documents
with
you
and
be
serviced
there.
The
costs
are
no
different.
Real
ID
is
not
anything
extra.
H
When
you
get
your
license,
if
you
are
renewing
their
license,
it's
the
same
cost
if
you're
not
ready
to
renew,
but
you
want
to
get
ahead
of
those
four
million
people
that
are
gonna
go
into
the
DMV
in
the
next
two
years.
It
will
cost
you
thirteen
dollars,
which
is
the
same
cost
as
a
duplicate
just
to
have
the
cart,
reprinted
and
mailed.
To
you
again,
cards
are
issued
from
one
place.
Now
you
will
get
that
in
the
mail.
H
You
will
not
get
it
same
day,
so
you
need
to
allow
15
to
20
days
to
receive
it
by
mail.
So
this
is
why
we're
here
to
ask
that
you
check
the
expiration
dates
on
your
licenses
or
identification
cards.
If
you
have
children
going
into
driver's
ed,
let
them
go
ahead
and
take
their
documents
with
them
when
they
get
there
learner
permit
and
get
ahead
of
the
game
really
quickly.
We
do
have
some
brochures
to
leave
here
that
have
the
documents
included.
If
you
go
to
NC
realidie
gov,
all
the
information
is
also
listed
there.
H
A
K
B
A
L
L
D
Several
several
commissioners,
including
myself,
have
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
each
year
and
the
placing
of
the
pinwheels
out
by
the
energy
loop,
and
it's
such
a
such
a
wonderful
time.
We
have
different
groups
of
children
that
come
through,
but
the
the
greatest
thing
about.
Well,
the
consistency
of
all
those
children,
one
is
their
innocence
and
that's
what
the
pinwheels
shows
and
just
for
the
record,
how
many
of
you
as
a
kid
stuck
a
pinwheel
out
the
window.
Anybody
in
here.
D
Shirley,
do
you
want
ask
that
question
again,
how
many
of
you
suck
a
pinwheel
out
the
window?
There
we
go
there.
We
got
him
there.
We
are
all
right,
so
the
county
of
bunkum
proclamation
for
child
abuse
prevention
month,
whereas
the
problems
of
child
abuse
and
neglect
affects
many
of
bunkum
County's
children
and
has
reached
epidemic
proportions
in
North
Carolina
with
over
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
children
reported
abused,
neglected
or
dependent.
L
Thank
you
all
I'll,
just
say
a
few
words
and
no
I'm,
not
Amy
Purdy,
but
she's
amber
I'm,
the
b-team
I
guess
for
tonight.
So
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
I
wanted
to
thank
all
the
commissioners
that
were
able
to
make
it
out.
The
other
day
I
know
is
the
middle
of
the
business
day,
but
those
of
you
are
able
to
come
out
for
the
pinwheel
with
all
the
kids.
L
They
really
enjoy
that
and
and
to
acknowledge
all
the
folks
that
can't
be
up
here
with
me
right
now,
there's
some
in
the
audience,
but
they
they.
Let
me
come
with
her
by
myself:
that's
okay,
but
all
the
the
folks
from
law
enforcement
from
DHHS
from
the
school
system,
all
the
folks
in
the
community
that
deal
with
this
issue
365
days
of
the
year,
because
unfortunately
it
is,
if
you
look
at
our
numbers,
Commissioner
Belcher
said
is
about
40,
100
or
so
that
comes
out
to
about
14
calls
a
day
every
day
of
the
year.
L
But
you
also
have
to
remember
that
those
are
the
recalls
that
come
in
to
DSS
and
they
are
not
the
single
portal
for
all
abuse
and
neglect
cases
in
the
county
actually
about
nationally
the
which
probably
25
to
30%
of
other
calls
that
are
not
caretaker
or
child
on
child
cases
or
other
cases
that
don't
fall
into
DSS.
So
you
could
really
look
at
a
number
in
this
county
around
5500
per
year,
and
we
have
some
incredible
folks
doing
great
work.
L
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
work
with
both
the
nonprofit
folks
and
our
public
folks
are
on
the
front
lines
every
day.
Dealing
with
this,
if
I
could
say
or
advocate
for
anything,
it
would
be
to
continue
to
support
the
work
folks
at
DHHS
and
law
enforcement.
We
just
don't
have
enough
folks
to
deal
with
this
da
day
in
and
day
out,
as
commissioner
Beach
Farrar
and
I
were
just
in
a
meeting
earlier
talk
today.
L
Talking
about
the
need
is
much
greater
than
the
resources
that
we
have
the
matches
so
I
appreciate
your
ongoing
support
and
continue
to
look
at
our
ability
to
support
even
more
services.
We
have
some
really
exciting
prevention
work
going
on
right
now,
because
the
reality
is
my
job
is
to
put
myself
out
of
a
job,
and
that's
the
one
thing
if
I
can
be
successful
as
a
professionals
is
to
do
that
so
I.
L
Thank
you
again,
I'm
going
to
be
brief,
because
I
chop
abuse
prevention
month
in
about
45
minutes,
I
got
to
throw
the
first
pitch
out
at
the
Taurus
game
and
my
fastball
isn't
as
good
as
it
used
to
be
so
I
got
to
go
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
again
any
questions
you
ever
have.
Please
feel
free
to
contact
us
or
talk
with
us
or
come
see
what
we
do.
I,
really
love
the
opportunity
to
show
off
the
incredible
staff
I
have
in
the
work
we
do
so.
Thank
you
again.
Thank
you.
A
M
So
first
I
just
wanted
to
lay
some
groundwork
for
you
guys.
The
North
Carolina
child
fatality
prevention
system
was
established
to
assess
the
records
of
all
deaths
of
children
in
North
Carolina
from
birth
to
age
18,
as
well
as
selected
cases
in
which
children
are
being
served
by
Child,
Protective,
Services
and
the
purposes
of
the
system
are
to
enable
the
development
of
a
community-wide
approach
to
child
abuse
and
neglect
to
understand
the
causes
of
child
fatality
in
the
state
to
identify
gaps.
M
And/Or
deficiencies
in
service
delivery
by
public
agencies
who
are
designed
to
prevent
abuse,
neglect
and
child
death
and
to
make
and
implement
recommendations
for
laws,
rules
or
policies
to
prevent
future
child
abuse,
neglect
or
death,
and
some
examples
of
some
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
system
include
things
like
car
seats
for
infants
and
child
safety
restraints
and
cards,
things
that,
for
me,
I
thought.
We're
always
there
right,
but
we're
we're
developed
out
of
out
of
fatality
reviews,
and
so
in
every
County.
North
Carolina
has
two
teams
that
are
part
of
the
system.
M
But
we
also
noticed
that
even
for
people
who
have
private
insurance,
there's
sometimes
a
big
barrier
in
terms
of
where
their
insurance
is
accepted.
So
it's
a
it's
a
problem.
Regardless,
really
of
your
of
your
insurance
status,
the
second
team
that
every
county
has
to
have
is
a
child
fatality
prevention
team
and
this
team
reviews
the
records
of
all
other
child
fatalities,
basically,
the
deaths
of
all
children
who
died
from
a
cause
other
than
suspected
abuse
or
neglect.
And
it's
important
to
note
that
our
fatality
reviews
are
reviewed.
M
The
calendar
you're
following
the
child's
death
right
so
currently,
and
this
in
this
twenty
18
year
we're
reviewing
twenty
seventeen
deaths.
It
takes
us
that
long
to
get
documentation
from
the
state
medical
examiner's
reports,
things
like
that
and
I'm
gonna
share
some
data
from
these
fatality
reviews
and
a
couple
slides
and
in
most
counties,
including
our
County.
These
two
local
teams
are
actually
combined
into
one
team
and
the
membership
of
the
community,
child
protection
team
and
the
child.
M
The
slide
shows
the
several
new
team
members
that
we
would
like.
We
are
requesting
the
board
to
appoint
to
the
team.
Some
of
these
so
and
ADA
members
are
from
local
law
enforcement
and
there's
been
some
turnover
in
some
positions.
So
these
are
the
the
current
members
who
have
been
able
to
attend
our
meetings
and
then,
additionally,
based
on
the
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
related
to
infant
deaths
related
to
unsafe
sleep
and
the
opioid
affected
infants.
We
would
like
to
have
the
supervisor
the
care
coordination
for
children
out
of
community
care.
M
So
the
I
would
also
ask
that
the
board
and
anybody
who
is
here
and
listening
well,
there
is
one
slot
that
we
have
never
been
able
to
fill
and
that
is
the
position
of
a
child
or
a
parent
who'd
lost
a
child
prior
to
their
18th
birthday.
It's
a
difficult
role
for
someone
to
play,
but
if
anyone
has
a
connection
this
to
somebody
who
might
be
willing
to
join
our
team,
we
would
greatly
appreciate
that
information
and
then
I'm
gonna
just
show
some
of
the
day.
M
We
also
had
two
state
led
intensive
reviews
of
the
deaths
of
two
children
who
died
that
year
and
whose
families
have
been
involved
with
DSS
during
the
12
months
prior
to
their
deaths.
So
this
shows
all
the
the
causes
of
death
and,
as
you
can
see,
illness
and
prematurity
are
the
most
common
causes
of
death,
but
it
there's
a
wide
range,
including
motor
vehicle,
pedestrian
versus
middle
vehicle.
We
had
a
bad
year
in
2016
for
that
and
I'm
going
to
tell
the
little
further
into
the
infant
yes
and
another
slide
the
by
age.
M
You
can
see
that
most
of
the
fatalities
review
actually
half
of
the
fatalities
we
reviewed
were
infants
less
than
one
year
of
age
and
we
at
Health
and
Human
Services
we've
been
working
over
the
last
couple
of
years
on
infant
mortality.
We've
worked
on
safe
sleep,
also
preconception
health,
I
think
all
those
things
are
contributing
to
to
that
number
because,
as
we
see
again,
prematurity
is
the
most
common
twas,
the
most
common
cause
of
the
infant
mortality
cases
that
we
saw
in
2016
but
as
you'll
also
see
for
so
su.
M
Based
on
this,
what
we've
been
seeing
during
our
fatality
reviews,
we've
reconvened
our
work
group
around
safe
sleep
and
are
incorporating
more
community
partners
and,
looking
at
we
recently
did
a
literature
review
and
looked
at
what
is
the
current
literature
say:
what's
best
practice?
What's
the
what
are
messages
that
may
work?
The
messages
are
out
there.
M
It's
just
they're,
not
resonating
with
the
people
who
we
need
them
to
resonate
with
or
there's
something
they're,
not
they're,
not
leading
some
behavior
change
right
so
often
we're
hearing
parents
say
well,
I
know
what
we're
I'm
supposed
to
put
my
kid,
but
I
made
a
choice
to
put
him
in
bed
with
me.
You
know
because
my
other
children
I
did
it
with
my
other
kids
and
they
all
lived.
It's
that
it's
it's
the
hardest
part
of
public
health
and
prevention
really
is
making
a
behavior
change
established.
M
A
J
N
A
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E
B
A
B
P
Good
evening,
mr.
chairman
and
commissioners,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
all
this
evening.
In
addition
to
a
child
abuse
prevention
month,
April
is
also
Sexual,
Assault,
Awareness
Month,
and
so
we
thought
we'd
take
this
opportunity
to
share
with
you
about
the
services
for
victims
of
sexual
assault
that
are
offered
at
the
Family
Justice
Center,
as
well
as
some
of
the
work
that
your
community
is
doing
to
address
sexual
assault
and
harassment
in
our
community
with
the
me2
movement,
as
well
as
your
investment
in
the
Family
Justice
Center.
P
Over
the
last
several
months
with
the
me2
movement,
we've
seen
an
increase
in
the
number
of
sexual
assaults
that
have
been
reported
to
law
enforcement
in
our
community.
In
the
first
three
months
of
2018,
we
saw
a
44%
increase
in
the
number
of
sexual
assault
incident.
Reports
reported
to
law
enforcement
over
that
time
in
2017.
So
when
somebody
comes
to
the
Family
Justice
Center
after
a
sexual
assault,
they
can
access
a
range
of
services
through
our
partnership
with
mission
health,
they
can
access
forensic
medical
exam,
sexual
assault
exams
at
the
Family
Justice
Center
mission.
P
Health's
investment
has
meant
that
any
services
that
are
provided
at
their
outpatient
clinic
at
the
Family
Justice
Center,
are
provided
to
survivors
for
free
a
couple
of
important
things
for
the
community
to
know
about
sexual
assault,
medical
exams.
Is
that
there's
the
option
of
doing
what
we
call
an
anonymous
kit?
If
someone
has
been
sexually
assaulted
and
chooses
not
to
in
that
moment,
seek
criminal
remedies
seek
the
the
criminal
justice
process
they
can
come
and
get
a
kit
done.
Get
that
evidence
collected
so
that
the
option
to
seek
criminal
remedies
remains
open.
Q
Q
Julie
said
a
little
bit
about
the
stats
in
regards
to
how
many
survivors
of
sexual
violence
that
the
Family
Justice
Center
has
served
our
voices
heard
through
the
Family
Justice
Center,
but
I
just
want
to
go
really
quickly
on
a
couple
of
stats.
We
know
that
one
in
three
women
will
be
impacted
by
sexual
violence
sometime
during
their
lifetime.
We
know
that
one
in
six
men
will
be
impacted
by
sexual
violence
sometime
in
their
lifetime.
Q
But
until
we
get
to
that
level,
one
of
the
conversations
that
I
am
so
pleased
to
be
here
is
to
have
a
conversation
in
regards
to
how
do
we
keep
sexual
violence
from
happening?
To
begin
with,
our
voices
services
are
fantastic
and
I
really
appreciate
your
support,
because
we
have
only
been
able
to
serve
more
survivors
as
a
result
of
your
support,
but
nonetheless
our
services
are
only
the
band-aid.
Q
What
we
want
is
to
keep
individuals
from
getting
cut
to
begin
with,
we
want
sexual
violence
not
to
happen
to
begin
with,
and
what
that
means
is
that
our
voice
has
focused
in
the
last
20
20
25
years
on
prevention,
education.
We
want
to
shift
the
social
norms
and
attitudes
that
contribute
to
sexual
violence,
so
very
much
like
Jeff
sue
totally
from
the
mountin
Child
Advocacy
Center.
Q
We
want
to
run
ourselves
out
of
a
job,
and
so
the
way
that
we
do
this
is
to
the
creation
implementation
of
several
different
prevention
education
curricula,
some
that
we
work
with
the
schools
but
I'm
here
actually
to
talk
to
you
about
two
innovative
programs
that
this
community
has
supported.
Two
programs
that
are
known
well,
one
is
known
nationally
and
when
we're
about
to
launch
nationally
as
well,
our
first
program
is
the
bar
outreach
program.
Q
Having
said
that,
what
we've
also
seen
as
an
increase
in
DFSA
reports,
so
how
the
bar
outreach
program
works
is
that
we
connect
with
local
bars
or
any
other
establishment
that
sells
alcohol
to
train
their
staff
on
bystander
intervention
strategies
that
allow
for
the
bar
staff
to
be
able
to
assess
situations
in
intervene
in
situations
where
drug
versus
sexual
assault
may
occur.
It
also
trains
them
to
be
able
to
keep
an
eye.
Q
Okay,
if
you
see
an
under
a
drink
that
they
left
behind
or
unattended
pick
it
up,
throw
it
away
right
how
it
is
that
they
can
employ
very
simple,
but
yet
very
meaningful
strategies
are
minimizing
drunk
facilitate
sexual
assault.
It
also
includes
reaching
out
to
the
community
educating
them
that
this
is
a
real
thing
and
it's
happening
in
our
community.
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
particularly
proud
of
is
that
the
bar
outreach
project
we
have
been
able
to
work
with
the
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services,
the
health
inspectors.
Q
When
we
talk
about
prevention,
education,
yes,
our
voice
does
lead
in
the
state
and
in
the
nation
with
regards
to
prevention
programming,
but
it
isn't
just
our
sole
responsibility,
so
we're
able
to
partner
with
local
partners
in
how
they
can
engage
to
support
prevention,
education
and
one
of
them,
is
through
our
collaboration
with
the
Health
and
Human
Services
health
inspectors.
And
so
we
have
worked
to
train
the
health
inspectors
with
regards
to
drug
facilitate
sexual
assault
and
how
they
can
engage
in
that
conversation.
Q
So
when
they're
conducting
the
health
inspections
in
the
restaurants
anywhere,
the
food
is
served,
they
can
speak
with
the
owners
and
staff
and
say
around
drug
facility
result
and
how
they
can
engage
in
prevention,
programming
as
well,
and
so
we're
really
excited,
because
this
is
a
unique
collaboration
in
the
nation
and
a
Buncombe.
County
has
been
uplifted
as
leading
the
work
around
this,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
communities
across
the
state
that
are
looking
to
see
how
they
can
partner
with
their
local
Health
and
Human
Services
around
this.
Q
The
other
project
that
we
have
is
the
86
eight
curriculum
which
we
will
be
launching
relatively
soon,
which
deals
with
sexual
harassment
in
the
restaurant
business
some
of
y'all
may
know.
But
when
we
talk
about
sexual
harassment,
there
was
a
national
survey
that
was
conducted
in
the
restaurant.
Business
is
where
the
individuals
have
indicated
that
the
highest
rates
of
sexual
harassment
has
occurred.
So
we
created
an
86
eight
curriculum
that
seeks
to
work
with
management
on
creating
stronger
anti-sexual
harassment
policies,
but
also
trains
them
on
how
to
respond
to
disclosures.
Q
In
addition,
we
work
with
the
restaurant
staff
with
regards
to
how
they
can
engage
in
bystander
intervention
strategies
as
well.
So
we
invite
you
to
be
a
part
of
these
conversations
and
be
on
the
lookout
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
as
we
launch
this
locally
and
nationally.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
P
In
addition
to
the
great
work
that
is
happening
at
our
voice,
the
business
community
is
getting
involved
in
this
conversation
and
working
together
to
build
a
community,
that's
free
from
sexual
assault
and
harassment.
The
Chamber
of
Commerce
is
hosting
a
woman
up
event
on
May
7th
and,
if
folks
are
interested
in
learning
more
about
how
their
business
can
partner
to
create
an
environment,
that's
free
of
sexual
harassment
attending
this
seminar
is
a
great
opportunity.
P
There
will
be
legal
advice,
HR
experts
as
well
as
victim
advocates,
it's
a
really
great
example
of
that
public-private
partnership
to
prevent
sexual
harassment,
in
addition,
and
as
part
of
the
great
prevention
work
that
our
voice
is
doing,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
highlight
our
community's
prevention
plan.
This
is
a
plan
that
has
been
led
by
helpmate
our
voice
and
Mountain
Child
Advocacy
Center,
and
the
collaboration
really
grew
out
of
the
collaboration
that
has
occurred
within
the
Family
Justice
Center.
P
They
identified
that
there
are
shared
risk
and
protective
factors
for
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault
and
child
abuse,
and
that
is
we.
If
we
have
as
a
community
work
together
to
address
the
risk
factors
and
to
build
the
preventive
factors,
then
we
truly
can
build
a
community
free
of
violence.
A
broad
range
of
partners
has
come
together
to
develop
this
plan
that
addresses
prevention
within
our
faith
communities
within
our
schools
within
our
workplaces.
We
believe
that
it's
the
first
in
the
state
plan
to
address
all
three
forms
of
violence
in
a
coordinated
way.
P
In
addition,
for
still
standing
for
a
sexual
assault,
awareness
month
are
still
standing.
Project
has
highlighted
the
stories
of
survivors
of
sexual
assault.
This
project,
which
I
hope
you've
seen
out
in
the
community,
was
led
by
the
creative
talents
of
Cataldo
Peron
with
pyaare,
as
well
as
the
work
of
community
partners
and
many
survivors
who
have
stood
up
to
share
their
stories
of
courage
and
hope.
We've
had
an
incredible
response
from
businesses
and
organizations
in
our
community
and
really
believe
that
businesses
hosting
these
life-size
silhouettes
are
standing
up
to
against
domestic
and
sexual
violence.
P
B
To
thank
you
and
for
everyone
listening
that
everyone
is
welcome
as
a
family,
Justice
Center
and
no
one
should
ever
feel
that
they
don't
have
a
place
to
go
and
I.
Think
that's
extraordinary
and
I
think
the
more
we
can
circulate
that
message
so
that
everyone
knows
they
can
go
there
is
is
great
and
the
restaurant
work
for
too
long
too
too
long
people
have.
You
know
whether
it's
a
question
of
getting
more
shifts
to
work,
more
tips.
They
have
suffered
against
this
harassment
and
thank
you
for
taking
such
a
bold
step.
E
A
C
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
commissioners,
I
was
just
asked
to
remind
the
board
and
the
public
that
we
have
mr.
Maria
Perez
as
an
interpreter
here
this
evening.
This
this
matter
concerns
the
medic
application
for
franchise
for
emergency
response
services
in
the
county.
Mr.
tally
is
here
with
some
other
representatives
of
medic
came
before
the
board
to
consider
that
request
in
November
and
through
discussions
with
this
board
and
County
manager.
C
This
board
approved
the
hiring
and
retention
of
an
independent
third
party
to
review
the
need
for
additional
ambulance
services
and
essentially
to
review
the
current
emergency
response
system
for
Buncombe
County
and
to
see
how
this
might
best
fit.
So
the
county
did
retain
the
services
of
management,
solutions
for
emergency
services
and
mr.
Keith
Faust
is
here
today
and
he
will
explain
what
he
found
out
in
his
report
and
what
his
recommendations
are.
R
Good
afternoon,
first
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
allowing
my
company
to
do
the
study
we
enjoy
doing
any
study
like
this,
because
we
would
like
to
provide
knowledge
and
education.
So
if
do
it
two
ways,
I'll
give
you
a
brief
overview
and
then
open
up
for
questions
or
you
can
go
with
questions.
You
see
the
way.
R
We
were
contacted
by
county
staff
to
look
at
your
EMS
system
to
see
if
it
was
adequate
if
it
was
liking
and
to
look
at
an
outside
agency
because
they
had
filed
for
permission
to
do
franchising
with
the
county.
We
went
in
those
conversations
we
to
save
you
money,
believe
it
or
not.
We
felt
the
first
step
was
to
see
if
you're
adequate
in
your
service,
and
we
all
agree
that
that's
the
pathway
to
go
down,
and
so
in
that
process
we
gathered
multiple
parts
of
data.
We
gathered
raw
data
on
your
response
times.
R
We
gather
billing
information,
we
gathered
financial
reports
from
the
fire
departments
and
and
the
data
analyst
for
us
provided
the
numbers.
If
you
look
at
the
report,
when
you
go
through
it,
the
three
things
that
we
wanted
to
do
with
that
data
was
to
see
if
you're
meeting
a
standard.
The
standard
we
used
was
NFPA
1710.
It's
really
targeted
to
a
fire
protection,
fire
departments
that
have
a
moment--
systems
or
services
to
use
it
as
a
standard
because
EMS
usually
doesn't
have
standards
like
NFPA.
R
So
we
use
that
standard
to
look
at
response
times
and
after
we
took
the
data
and
then
pull
the
information
from
that
we
needed
you.
You
actually
come
close
to
meeting
in
FPA
1710,
which
is
really
good.
A
lot
of
fire
departments
across
the
country
don't
even
meet
it.
We
also
looked
at
your
data
when
it
was
related
to.
R
Your
response
times
when
it
comes
to
how
faster
people
are
getting
out
of
building,
we
recognize
that
the
standard
shows
litany
that
your
people
need
to
be
out
of
the
building.
Last
of
the
minute
we
did
see
in
our
study
that
the
fire
service
side
of
it,
the
fire
department
side
of
it
they're,
actually
coming
close
to
meeting
that
standard
of
less
than
a
minute.
The
EMS
I
probably
can
improve
a
little
bit.
Most
of
those
were
getting
out
of
the
fire
stations
in
less
than
two
minutes,
and
so
we
noticed
some
possible
improvement
there.
R
We
looked
at
two
counties
have
like
Kahn
tried
to
find
like
kind.
The
Union
County
is
a
little
less
smaller
than
y'all
in
that
part
of
it
they
provided
14
ammo
ances
during
peak
hours,
which
is
usually
during
the
day
and
11:00
at
night.
They
reduced
our
ambulances
at
night.
When
we
look
at
a
county
larger
than
yours,
which
is
Durham
County,
they
provide
19
mm
Lance's
during
a
day,
and
they
also
reduced
our
staffing
of
a
molasses
to
10:00
and
evening
and
the
non-peak
hours.
R
What
we
recognize
with
yours
is
you
provide
19
ambulances
during
peak
peak
times
and
actually
17
at
night,
which
is
way
more
than
a
county
of
50,000
more
population
with
a
lot
more
density.
So
your
response
times
you're
almost
meeting
in
a
PA
1710
on
staffing
of
ambulances,
you
actually
provide
more
than
counties
of
average
you're.
R
Let's
see
say
we
use
that
data,
and
then
we
looked
at
once.
We
recognize
that
proficiency
was
your
meeting
or
coming
close
to
meeting
in
a
PA
1710,
with
a
little
more
improvement
of
maybe
management
when
it
comes
to
getting
out
of
the
stations
faster,
you
possibly
could
meet
in
a
PA
1710.
So
with
that
and
you're
like
on
of
having
more
resources
than
like-kind,
we
felt
like
you
were
proficient
in
the
services
that
you're
providing
now.
R
R
It's
like
any
service
that
you
provide,
there's
a
cost
related
to
it,
so
we
pulled
data
from
bill
and
agencies
that
the
fire
department's,
the
rescue
squad
and
the
counties
bill
an
agency
to
see
actually
how
much
federal
funding,
how
much
contract
funding
and
how
much
billing
that
the
county
actually
brought
in.
And
if
you
look
in
the
report,
it's
actually
right
at
17
million
dollars.
Well,
that's
the
that's!
What
the
charges
were,
that
the
net
charges-
17
million-
but
you
when
you
talk
Medicaid,
Medicare
and
other
billing.
R
You
have
to
look
at
what
you
actually
bring
in,
and
your
payments
were
11
million
eleven
point:
three
million.
So
once
we
recognize
your
numbers,
then
we
look
at
it
and
say:
okay
out
of
that,
there
was
39
thousand
six
hundred
fourteen
trips
trips
equal
to
billable
transports
is
what
we're
looking
at.
R
So
what
you
have
now
is
billing
for
thirty-nine
thousand
six
hundred
fourteen
trips,
if
you
allow
an
outside
organization
or
even
another
organization,
to
start
responding
to
medical
calls,
you're
going
to
reduce
that
number
of
billable
trips
that
the
county
is
actually
receiving
financial
federal
funding.
So,
even
if
the
outside
was
one
of
the
things
we'll
said
it
was
when
the
outside
agencies
wants
to
provide
the
service
for
free.
R
When
we
look
at
services,
it's
hard
to
say,
free
because
free
usually
doesn't
exist,
but
let's
say
that
you
have
an
outside
organization
or
an
inside
organization
that
wants
to
start
providing
a
service
totally
for
free
and
definition
of
free
is
free
to
the
county,
where
you
don't
subsidize
it,
and
and
they
don't
build
for
Medicaid
and
Medicare,
and
they
don't
build
a
patient.
Does
that
make
sense?
So
if
they
provided
100%
free,
it's
still
gonna
remove
federal
dollars
from
your
system.
R
Does
that
make
sense,
so
you're
going
to
see
it
if
anybody
is
brought
into
the
system
right
now,
which
we
feel
is
very
adequate?
It's
going
to
hurt
you
financially
with
removing
federal
funding
from
the
system.
So
the
biggest
thing
we
found
is
your
adequate
you're,
almost
meeting
in
a
PS
1710,
which
is
a
huge
standard
for
the
fire
service
and
EMS
transport.
And
then
next
thing
is.
You
have
good
times
that
you've
probably
improve
on
certain
areas
and
we
listed
it
down
the
area
coach.
R
The
reason
we
look
at
area
codes
versus
district
in
most
cases,
if
you
don't
have
an
AVL
which
is
a
system
we
system,
we
can
recognize
where
that
am
lance
is
sitting.
You
have
that
system.
So
if
Fairview
or
Skylands
dispatched,
they
could
be
dispatched
out
of
their
district.
It's
it's
actually
dispatching
the
closest
emmalin's
versus
a
fire
district.
R
R
We
didn't
go
any
closer
than
zip
codes,
because
if
you
actually,
if
I
produce
a
report
that
shows
any
more
than
a
zip
code,
then
it
can
actually
be
reverse
engineered
and
possibly
have
some
hip
issues
contained
to
somebody
can
figure
out
where
that
call
was
actually
dispatched
to.
So
we
give
you
a
zip
codes
for
that
that
situation.
R
If
you
look
at
the
zip
codes
that
are
not
meeting
the
NFPA
1710
you'll
recognize
that
those
districts
have
a
very
small
population
that
tells
us
in
the
report
and
a
data
side
of
it
is
that
area
is
too
small
to
concentrate
on
EMS
Sam
lives
in
it
to
dedicate
it.
One
of
them
is
less
than
200
calls
a
year.
That
means
that
you're,
generating
less
than
one
call
a
day.
It
would
be
hard
financially
to
be
able
to
place
an
ambulance
with
full
staff
in
an
area
that's
generating
less
than
one
call
a
day.
R
R
R
We
used
data
wise
we'd
gather
one
together.
We
worked
extremely
hard
not
to
contact
fire
chiefs.
Ems
providers
stuff
like
that
reason
being
is
every
conversation
we
have
there's
always
people
who
wouldn't
in
a
conversation
that
wonders
what
the
conversation
was
about.
So
we
work
off
the
email
and
we
also
look
at.
We
looked
at
their
budgets
and
we
obtained
releases
to
contact
their
bill
and
agencies
directly
for
raw
data
to
where
our
people
can
build.
It
can
use
that
data
ourselves.
R
So
in
doing
so,
we
recognize
your
fleets
been
totally
replaced
on
the
County
EMS
side
and
the
way
I
understand,
there's
been
three
more
ambulances
provided
to
our
departments
and
a
rescue
squad.
So
you
actually
have
more
resources
than
what
we
actually
established
in
this
report,
because
the
time
we
gathered,
our
information
they've
already
been
three
more
purchased
or
actually
paid
place
from
the
county.
In
the
end
of
the
internal
organizations,.
R
So
after
you
looked
at
the
whole
report,
it
just
comes
down
to
it
is:
is
you're
proficient
right
now
you
have
a
lot
more
resources
than
than
the
norm
or
of
light
kind.
So
if
you
want
to
allow
somebody
outside
or
internal
to
provide
a
service,
it's
just
you
will
see
a
financial
impact
and,
as
the
county
wanting
to
supplement
with
tax
funds,
to
keep
the
service
better
or
is
the
county.
Does
the
county
want
to
take
back
the
internal
organizations
and
dial
them
back
as
you
allow
an
outside
organization
to
start
providing
service?
B
R
Ma'am
that
the
whole
1710
is
built
off
of
recognizing
response
time,
it's
one
of
the
most
people's
use
factors
of
seeing
how
healthcare
is
actually
delivered.
So,
yes,
that's
that's
our
the
biggest
part
of
our
study
is
to
make
sure
that
your
response
times
are
where
they
are
or
where
they
need
to
be
now.
R
S
T
R
Would
be
the
two
eight
seven
one
five:
does
it
meet
it?
The
two
eight
seven
five
three
doesn't
meet
it
and
the
two
8701
doesn't
meet
it.
That
would
be
the
area
codes.
But
if
you
look
at
the
next
page
on
page
eight,
if
we
look
at
those
area
codes,
you've
got
a
population
per
mile
of
240
with
the
total
trips
of
298
to
98
a
trip.
R
There's
about
three
hundred
dollars
just
collected,
so
you
look
at
a
trip
charge
of
eight
hundred
dollars,
really
you're
collecting
about
four
hundred
three
hundred
four
hundred
dollars.
So
if
you
figure
that
298
times
four
hundred
dollars,
if
you
put
an
ambulance
in
that
location,
to
get
all
298,
that's
what
you're
going
to
generate
with
federal
funding,
which
is
not
enough
to
in
my
mind,
to
justify
the
need.
Let.
T
Know
I'm
concerned
too
about
service
as
well
as
finances,
but
I
think
the
most
important
by
our
constituents
is
they
need
an
ambulance.
I
want
it
there,
but
you
compared
us
to
Union
and
Durham
County
I'm
familiar
with
both
counties,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
looking
at
in
Buncombe
County
is.
We
are
a
retirement
community
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
with
gray
hair
like
me
who,
when
we
won't
need
the
service,
we
want
it
there
right,
but
and
when
we
look
ahead,
that's
what's
projected
to
the
future.
T
R
Absolutely,
and
if
you
read
the
report,
it
basically
says
that
if
the
choice
is
yours,
we
showed
you
the
response
times
are
meeting
a
national
standard.
It's
not
my
opinion.
It's
the
standard.
We
look
at
your
shoot
times
on
how
fast
your
peoples
getting
out
of
the
door.
That's
a
national
standard.
We
look
at
like
Durham
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
your
your
density,
I
mean
there's
a
your
660
square
miles
of
area.
R
There's
is
3
to
90
something,
so
there
is
some
difference
in
density
as
a
retired
fire
chief
I'll
tell
you
that
I
would
love
to,
and
this
study
says
it.
I
would
have
loved
to
put
a
firetruck
on
every
corner
because
I
could
guarantee.
Then
a
response
I
could
guarantee
that
my
people
would
be
on
scene
in
less
than
3
4
minutes
and
if
I
can
stop
be
within
that
5
to
4
to
5
minute
range.
R
I
can
really
turn
around
death
coming
to
cardiac
arrest,
but
I
do
have
to
look
at
financially
how
that
will
affect
me
now
in
our
report.
We
showed
you
all
the
elements
of
that
for
you
to
be
able
to
sit
and
say
you
know.
Ok,
do
we
want
to
achieve
a
better
than
national
standard?
Do
we
want
to
put
mo
answers
in
a
more
dense
area
and
do
we
care
about
cost?
D
Got
a
just
a
couple
couple
questions,
and
one
in
in
relation
to
you
know:
Commissioner
Whitesides.
You
know
comments
that
the
you
you
do
say
that
you
know.
Should
we
decide
to
do
this
as
far
as
level
of
care
that
we
have
key
performance
standards,
we
have
service
agreements
that
we
we
approach
it
in
the
proper
way
that
then,
that
does
become.
That
does
become
a
a
responsible
decision.
I
understand
what
you
provide
is
great
information
and
it's
in
the
more
I
think
we
look
at
it
the
more
we
can.
We
can
glean
from
it.
D
You
know
one
of
the
questions
that
I
got
I
got
three
three
questions.
One
is
the
I
would
assume
from
a
financial
standpoint
that
the
collection
rate,
what
would
also
be
a
big
player
in
that
in
that
equation?
You
know,
because
you
know
we're
at
a
seventy
percent
rate
and
two
other
surrounding
counties
are
or
at
eighty
percent
I
would
assume
that's
an
obvious
yes
right,
so
there's
room
to
improve
that
which
would
which
would
lessen,
which
would
improve
the
the
the
the
the
revenue
within
that
system.
That's.
R
Correct
we,
but
the
billing
agencies
that
you
actually
use
a
Andrews
and
a
management
consultant
company
both
of
them
have
we've
seen
across
the
state,
provide
a
real,
a
healthy
collection
rate.
That's
the
70
percents
pretty
healthy.
Now
there
are
ways
that
you
can
improve
it
and
there's,
but
it's
there
again
it's
how
that?
How
far
does
the
county
want
to
go
down
that
path?
I
D
Receive
the
information
the
other
thing
is,
did
you
did
you
include
in
your
port,
or
did
you
look
at
his
historic
call
volume?
In
other
words
where
we've
been
where,
where
we
at
ten
years
ago,
compared
to
now-
and
you
know
how
our
of
call
volume
has
you
know,
went
up
based
on
you
know,
population
and
so
on?
Yes,.
R
Yes,
sir,
we
actually
looked.
If
you
look
on
page
twelve
and
went
back
there,
we
didn't
go
back.
What
we've
seen
doing
these
things
across
the
steno
Carolina
is
anything
between
about
Oh,
8,
No
12,
with
a
hardship
that
this
country
scene,
population
migrated
back
and
forth.
So
we've
seen
that
that
data
between
those
years
isn't
gonna
be
a
good
data.
So
we
we
went
back
five
years
versus
10
years,
I.
D
D
You
know
it's
just
it's
it's
different,
and
so
that
that's
where
a
lot
of
this
conversation
come
from,
not
that
we're
grateful
that
you've
shown
us
that
our
existing
system
is
exemplary
in
a
lot
of
ways.
You
know
our
concern
was
just
making
sure
that
we
were
dealing
with
a
trained
properly
and
that
we
were
making
sure
that
you
know
somebody
dialed
9-1-1
for
the
grandmother
that
we
were
going
to
get
there
and
get
there
with.
As
many
you
know,
campuses
as
you
could
within
reason.
R
We
provided
the
Union
County
status
with
640
and
years
of
success,
660
it's
about
fifty
thousand
population.
Last
okay!
Well,
actually
it's
about
forty.
We
wanted
to
provide
you
population
data.
If
we
would
have
went
down
further
down
that
path,
we
probably
could
have
provided
you
with
demographic
data
of
showing
the
aging
population,
maybe
so.
B
R
Not
I
mean
it's
just
like
I
stated
mana
going
to
come
to
the
fire
service.
If
I
put
a
fire
truck
on
every
corner,
it's
only
going
to
improve
the
service,
it's
just
the
financially.
Are
we
willing
to
take
the
financial
to
do
that
and
that's
that's
where
you
are.
Is
you
meet
the
standards
you're
adequate
now
of
like
kind?
Even
larger
populations
is
it's,
it's
just
are
you?
Are
you
willing
to
supplement
a
few
more
and
it
could
be
million
dollars
to
increase
that
system?
Do.
R
If
you
look
at
the
numbers
that
we
provided
you
on
the
financial
side,
we
listed
the
trips,
so
we
listed
two
entity,
the
trips,
the
net
charges
and
then
the
payments,
and
that
means
money
in
the
bank.
That's
all
really
care
about.
If
you
take
and
you
allow
an
ammo
and
it
would
be
even
hard
for
us-
that's
page
15
out
of
22.
If
you
take
an
a
Melanson
you
just
let
them
come
into
the
county
and
start
running
openly
just
freely.
R
It
would
be
hard
to
hard
to
identify
what
what
financially
that
would
duties
if
you
limit
them
to
a
district-
and
we
know
how
many
trips
was
in
that
zip
code,
then
we
probably
could
tell
you
financially
how
that
would
have
been.
But
you
can
do
the
same
thing
with
the
graph
one
from
15
22
is
you
can
look
at
those
trips
and
Barnesville
and
say
you
allow
an
outside
agency
to
completely
take
it
over
estimated
they're
going
to
do
about
three
hundred
three
trips
plus
or
minus.
A
R
A
You
just
on
this
point,
though
I
mean
you
know.
If
we
raised
the
tax
rates
in
the
districts
enough
to
offset
any
losses,
then
you
know,
theoretically,
the
service
levels
that
are
out
there
today
could
be
made
whole,
but
unless
we're
really
clear
that
we're
willing
to
raise
the
tax
rates
in
the
fire
districts
to
make
them
whole
for
any
diversion
of
revenue
that
results
from
this,
then
then
it
would,
it
would
hurt
the
existing
services
that
are
out
there,
because
those
we
know
these
fire
districts
are
already
struggling.
A
You
know
to
you
know
to
do
to
do
the
operations
that
they
have.
They
stretch
every
dollar.
So
if,
if
they're
not
made
whole,
then
it
absolutely
would
harm
the
existing
services
right
cuz.
They
would
be
in
a
position
where
they
would
either
have
to.
If
we
don't
raise
the
tax
district
rates,
they
would
have
to
cut
personnel
or
cut
staffing.
I
mean
those
would
be.
That
would
be
the
reality
for
the
fire
districts
unless
we
raise
unless
we
kind
of
agree
up
front,
whatever
revenue
is
diverted,
we
raise
the
tax
rate
by
that
amount.
A
R
So
when,
when
you
put
that
ems,
a
emili´s
into
the
system,
you
pulled
federal
funding
from
Scotland,
so
luckily
the
fire
chief
or
whoever
done
the
budget
and
decision
said
we
need
to
remove
our
staffing
because
we
can't
afford
to
move
forward
with
it
without
supplementing
with
tax
funding,
so
that
it's
already
happening,
and
that's
that's
where
our
report
states
is.
Even
if
you
want
to
increase
your
services,
you
have
a
lot
of
resources
that
are
sitting
in
buildings,
that's
not
being
staffed.
R
W
W
Well,
I'm
saying
that
how
many
went
to
you
know
the
tally
that
medics
I
I
had
a
nine
one.
One
told
me:
347
calls
has
been
translated
to
them
because
they
had
no
ambulance
available
to
go
there.
You
figure
that
up
overtime
and
the
dollar
wise.
If
four
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
is
what
they're
gonna
get
out
of
eight
hundred
there's
already
one
hundred
and
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
there.
R
Yes,
sir,
and
and
if
you,
if
we
would've,
dug
deeper
into
the
system,
we
probably
could
have
found.
Why
that's
why
that
was,
and
if
it
may
be,
that
second
ambulances,
that's
the
first
ambulance
at
Skyland,
Fire
Department.
We
may
have
been
on
a
call
already,
so
if
they
would
have
had
that
second
M,
that
staff
they
may
not
have
had
to
do
that.
Well,.
W
I,
don't
think
this
was
just
a
sky
land
area.
I
think
this
is
across
the
county
and
you
know
I
guess
what
I
want
to
say
is
being
an
X
racecar
driver
you're
in
accidents,
all
the
time
I
sure
didn't
want
someone
from
outside
the
county
come
and
racetrack
me
laying
there.
You
know
for
a
couple
hours
when
you
could
have
somebody
right
there
available
absolutely.
R
I
V
V
Okay,
that's
the
area
where
there's
no
many,
but
they
take
it
anyway,
because
that's
what
they
want
to
do,
but
what
you
didn't
do
if
you
too,
backed
up
one
year,
you'd
have
figured
out
the
fire
departments,
didn't
even
have
ambulances
so
once
on
September
the
9th
be
five
years
this
coming
September,
they
took
them
off.
The
road
they've
been
in
business
since
89
they're,
a
paramedic
group.
They
handed
it
to
the
different
fire
departments.
First
thing
they
do
is:
go
out,
buy
new
ambulances.
It's
the
fire
people's
tax
dollars
by
nemesis.
R
V
We
went
and
looked
at
Bunco
rescue,
county
manager,
myself
we'll
get
to
the
door.
They
ain't
really
ain't
many
there,
but
I'll
sudden
the
door
opens
up.
We
figure
out
that
now
they've
got
four
ambulances,
because
mr.
V
hunt
gave
them
one.
They
have
one.
That's
believed
that
but
they're
only
from
nine
to
nine.
I
V
You
know
the
tallies
walk
through
the
door,
you
haven't
met
them
there,
they're
sitting
right
there.
You
didn't
go
research.
What
they
have.
You
might
have
looked
at
it
on
paper,
but
you
didn't
go
look
at
their
business,
how
many
ambulances,
even
our
Buncombe
County
mr.
stone
and
myself,
went
to
their
place
to
look
to
see
what
they
had
missed.
Holly's
daughter
showed
us.
They
don't
only
do
that.
They
teach
classes,
they
got
dummies
just
like
in
hospitals.
They
show
how
to
bring
people
back,
they
lay
them
on
their
stretchers.
They
did.
V
They
teach
these
classes
you're
talking
about
cutting
the
legs
out
from
under
the
fire
departments.
They
cut
him
out
from
under
theirs,
and
then
they
were
happy
because
when
they
did
it
one
day
he
said
close
right
over
here
at
this
Shell
station
right
across
the
bridge
made
a
camelus.
That's
where
it
always
said
it
was
somebody
in
it.
They
didn't
have
a
leave
time
to
get
in
an
ambulance
to
go.
They
set
an
ambulance,
here's
their
ambulance
and
guess
what
sitting?
Next
to
it.
I
V
Land
fire
department-
that's
when
he
had
just
taken
off
they're
on
a
different
radio
service,
it's
one
that
they
have
to
carry
more
radios
for
the
main
thing
is
I
want
the
closest
ambulance
to
me.
If
it
was
somebody
else,
they've
been
around
as
long
as
they
had
they've
been
paramedic
since
89
they've
been
programmatics
over
Buncombe
rescue
one
year
one
year,
so
there
is
professionals
in
the
room,
and
me
personally,
you
know
I
understand
that
you've
tried
to
do
a
great
job
for
us
and
I
see
Marshall.
It's
not
us.
Q
V
To
do
with
us,
but
I
do
remember
a
long
time
ago
note
to
tal
he's
a
long
time.
Robert
does
too,
because
in
racing
Kermit
raced,
the
mother
and
them
took
care
of
the
racetrack
down.
Here
somebody
got
hurt,
they
took
me,
but
they
did
it
because
that's
what
they
want
to
do,
they're
doing
it
now,
because
that's
the
what
they
want
to
do
when
you're
picking
up
people
down
in
town
Asheville,
that's
what
they
give
you
on
a
different
radio
that
are
indigent
whatever
you
call
it.
I
V
The
distance
there's
a
whole
lot
of
issues
here,
but
the
main
issue
for
me.
He
says
he'll
do
it.
You
know
for
the
cost
of
whatever
he's
picks
up,
but
he
wants
to
be
to
where
they
can
see
him
and
they.
If
I've
talked
to
them
about
it
Fairview
he
said
well,
we
were
at
Mission
Hospital
one
day
and
they
sent
us
to
West
Asheville.
V
V
Well
you're
saying
we're
going
to
cut
the
legs
out
from
under
them.
They
got
their
legs
cut
out
from
under
them.
So,
what's
fair,
we'll
be
fair,
these
radios
that
we
have
this
area
that
they
can
spot
where
his
ambulances
are.
If
it's,
the
closest
ambulance,
I
want
it.
If
it's
fair
of
you
I
want
it
if
its
rightful
I
want
it,
but
that's
you
know,
that's
what
we
need,
there's
questions
that
could
be
asked
to
these
people,
all
of
them
sitting
here,
it's
a
family!
V
You
know
what
is
this
done:
they
have
a
contract
with
VA,
but
you're
still
down
here
doing
what
they
do
and
doing
other
things
they
work
at
the
fairgrounds.
They
work
other
stuff.
They
have
almost
as
many
ambulances
as
we
have
in
the
county
and
they
bought
them
and
they
pay
tax
on
them
and
they're,
not
a
non-profit.
We
get
money
off
their
buildings,
so
if
you
think
I'm
going
to
cut
them
down
you're
wrong.
B
So,
in
your
professional
opinion,
two
questions
is
this:
gonna
cause
irreparable
financial
harm?
That's
number
one
and
two.
If
we
don't
do
this
in
your
estimation,
if
someone's
life
can
be
in
jeopardy,
if
we
don't
add
this
and
I
know
they're
one.
The
second
one
is
a
hypothetical
but
you're.
An
expert
in
this.
R
First,
one
is
financial
I
think
you
will
see
a
financial
hardship
on
fire
departments
if
you
don't
force
them
to
scale
back
services
and
that's
what
you
have
to.
If
you
cut
the
legs
out
of
him,
he's
probably
had
to
sell,
but
it's
scale
back
services
to
to
survive.
If
you
do
the
same
to
the
fire
service,
you'll
have
to
supplement
it
to
keep
the
service
where
it
is
now
if
they
want
to
bring
five
ambulances
for
MLS
systems.
R
There's
some
good
stuff
out
there
in
the
emergency
service
field
that
are
starting
to
really
work
towards
the
clinical
death
side
of
CPR
and
stuff.
Like
that
that
I
wish
we
had
unlimited
amount
of
funds,
then
I
could
stop
a
lot
of
it.
So
your
question
is:
is
somebody
going
to
put
be
put
in
jeopardy
if
you
don't
start
that
don't
want
to
entry
because
are.
R
Like
the
two
8701
in
2017,
it's
1516
minutes,
there's
a
few
17
minutes.
Those
to
me
should
be
looked
at
if
it
means
shifting
and
ammo
Lance's
into
those
areas,
but
I'd
always
have
to
look
back
to
and
say
you
know,
are
you
receiving
300
calls
or
200
calls
in
that
area
and
financially?
What
would
that
do?
You
know
you
have
to
look
at?
What
do
you
want
and
look
at
how
financially
you
get
there?
That's
what
our
report
does
for
you
is.
R
R
If
you
say
we're
willing
to
let
you
come
in,
but
you're
going
to
focus
on
these
areas,
then
yeah
there's,
no
doubt
that
you'll
see
a
better
response
time,
but
if
you've
got
again,
if
you've
got
an
area
that
is
running,
200
calls
a
year
or
trips
that's
available
for
even
a
non-profit,
is
it
financially
stable
enough
that
you
can
enter
that
market
to
provide
that
cost?
So
it's
it's
always
that
is
this!
R
Yes,
if
you
put
more
resources
in
that
zip
code,
you
will
see
a
decrease
I
firmly
believe
that,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
financial
decision
you
have
to
make
and
the
decision
you'd
have
to
make
is:
do
you
have
resources
available
right
now
that
you
can
staff,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
ammo
answers
like
the
the
rescue
squad
talking
to
mr.
fry?
Is
that
right?
Okay,
mr.
R
fry
with
the
rescue
squad
having
4mo
answers
and
only
staffing
one
from
nine
to
nine,
that
means
there's
three
available
and
lance's
that
you
owned
that
can
be
staffed.
Well,
I,
didn't
understand,
you
say
something
to
mitigate
mr.
Frye,
you
said
I.
Would
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
for-profit
or
nonprofit
or
cutting
legs
out
of
a
non-profit
versus
the
for-profit?
The
only
thing
that
that
I
want
you
to
understand
on
that
statement
is
this:
if
Scotland
Fire
Department
goes
out
of
business
chances
are
their
resources
will
be
distributed
inside
your
County
to
other
agencies?
R
That's
how
nonprofits
work
is.
Nobody
owns
the
assets.
The
assets
are
owned
by
the
corporate
members
of
that
district
and,
if
they
vote
to
go
to
dissolve
their
assets,
usually,
if
you
have
in
a
good
case,
are
distributed
inside
your
County.
If
you
have
a
for-profit
business
and
it
goes
out
of
business,
those
accents
are
liquidated
to
make
what
you
can
make
to
go
in
either
your
pocket
or
the
pay
off
the
bills,
so
investing
in
a
non
profit.
That's
contractually
based
right
now,
with
you
at
least.
You
know
those
assets
could
stay
here.
V
V
All
we're
saying
this
old
saying
is
bring
them
in
I'm,
not
saying
five.
Ambulances
I'm,
not
even
saying
I'm,
just
saying
if
they
can
get
back
on
and
they
got
an
ambulance
here
and
all
of
a
sudden
or
something
in
harmony
they
can
go
and
if
Fairview
sitting
there
and
they're
closer
let
them
go.
You
know
that
way.
If
they
go
over
close
enough
to
Fairview,
then
they
can
cover
Fairview
for
the
Fairview
being
gone
and
it
area
it's
not
a
putting
them
in
an
area
it's
putting
them
to
order.
V
V
V
That
is
the
main
thing
here.
We
need
to
get
them
the
we
need
to
get
them
to
work.
They
they
don't
want
a
district
if
they
sat
down
here
and
do
exactly
what
they've
been
do
it
right
over
here
on
Charlotte
Street,
that's
fine,
but
if
they
can
hear
what's
going
on,
then,
if
they're
the
closest
ambulance
they
can
be
sent.
If
they're,
not
it's
somebody
else.
If
they
don't
get
a
call
period,
it's
just
the
option
that
they
have
I'm
not
you'd
have
to
ask
them.
V
If
they're
gonna
put
any
extra
misses
on
I,
don't
know
not
right
now,
she's
just
shaking
her
head.
So
you
know
she
runs
the
show.
But
the
fact
is
is
something
was
taken
away,
as
I
say
had
to
cut
their
legs
off
shut
them
off
one
night
at
eight
o'clock
at
night,
I've
got
the
email
in
my
office.
I
want
the
closest
ambulance.
To
pick
me
up
and
I
promise
you
if
it's
them,
Fairview
I,
don't
care
Riceville,
Asheville,
Buncombe,
County,
whoever's,
the
closest
mr.
Presley
I.
V
V
Then,
when
we
get
money-
and
this
will
come
about,
they
bought
a
new
one
and
then
about
a
second.
Then
we
give
them
one
the
other
day,
so
they
want
to
go
in
that
one's
business.
Well,
that's
you
know.
We
got
ambulance
services
and
that's
you
know,
I,
don't
care
if
we're
giving
them
away
or
what
we
give
one
to
Barnes
field,
because
all
he
wanted
was
a
spare.
He
didn't
put
he's
not
putting
in
service.
He
just
wanted
to
spare,
because
his
had
a
problem
with
his
and
that
way.
V
But
that's
how
I
got
these
free
ambulances
going
I
did
that
through
I
said
he
wanted
to
buy
one,
but
he
didn't
want
to
buy
it
off
the
internet.
So
I
got
him
hooked
up
next
thing.
I
know
he
gave
me
one.
So
you
blame
that
on
me,
but
you
know:
it's
like
I
said
he's
got
a
spire
Hamblin's
out
in
Barnesville
now
and
they
need
it.
It's
a
long
ways
out
their.
W
R
A
Hey
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments,
and
maybe
ask
a
question
so
first
I
just
want
to
say:
I
am
I,
really
appreciate
the
preparation
of
the
report
and
I
really
appreciated
the
Commission's
supporting
the
preparation
for
the
report.
As
part
of
the
consideration
of
this,
this
idea
I
think
this
is
a
very
important,
very
important
discussion
and
decision.
A
The
provisions
of
emergency
response
services
are
undoubtedly
one
of
the
most
critical
public
services
that
that
we
are
responsible
for
in
partnership
with
the
various
partners
that
we
work
with
so
I'm
you
know,
and
as
as
I've.
You
know
thought
about
this
issue.
For
a
number
of
years,
I
forgot
elected
to
the
County
Commission
heard
both
sides
of
it.
A
You
know
in
these
kind
of
arenas
and
I
didn't
want
an
idea
like
this
to
not
be
considered
because
of
you
know,
because
of
those
kind
of
issues
and
the
same
way,
I
don't
want
us
to
support
it.
For
you
know,
for
those
same
reasons
either
so
I
really
I
was
glad.
We
were
gonna.
Do
this
report
to
get
to
get
kind
of
an
objective
look
at?
Does
this
strengthen
our
system
of
emergency
response
services
in
Buncombe
County?
A
A
So
I
learned
a
lot
from
this
report
and,
while
I
was
very
much
on
the
fence
on
this
issue
prior
to
this,
you
know,
frankly,
I
I'm,
very
persuaded
that
this
is
something
we
should
be
very
cautious
about,
considering
because
there
just
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
data
here
that
you
know
that
points
towards
the
conclusion
that
you
know-
and
it
all
depends
on.
You
know
if
something
were
created,
how
how
large-scale
is
it?
A
How
how
robust
is
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
they're,
just
gonna,
be
the
number
of
emergency
service
calls
that
come
into
Buncombe
County
and
our
partnerships
every
year.
That's
kind
of
a
fixed
number
right
like
what
we
do
up
here,
doesn't
change
that.
So
we
have
a
system
out
there
today
that
was
developed
to
meet
in
the
most
efficient
way
that
people
people
devise
to
meet
it
both
with
the
county
and
our
nonprofit
partners
to
meet
that
need
with
the
resources
that
they
have.
A
So
that's
the
system
we
have
today
and
the
report
really
affirms
that
it's
working
pretty
well
there's
great
relationships
between
the
nonprofit
groups
in
the
county,
which
you
don't
see
everywhere.
The
relationships
are
good.
The
service
levels
are
good,
you
know,
could
things
be
better?
Of
course
they
can
always
be
better,
and
our
job
is
to
always
figure
out
how
to
how
to
how
to
make
it
better
and
I
think
that
our
Commission
has
expressed
support
for
potentially
investing
more.
A
You
know
to
increase
the
pay
of
these
hard-working
people
in
this
sector,
who
you
know,
don't
make
much
money
for
doing
very
hard
work
and
and
for
other
needs,
so
I,
don't
think
we're
saying
that
we
would
never
invest
more
to
improve
the
system.
I
think
there's
an
openness
to
doing
that,
but
you
know
the
idea
of
creating
you
know
an
expanded
new
entity
within
the
system
we
have
today
it
does.
A
It
does
appear
that
the
you
know
the
data
strongly
indicates
it
would
financially
divert
significant
resources
from
the
existing
efforts
and
organizations
that
are
doing
this
work
today
and
I.
Just
I
would
just
like
to
read
a
couple
of
the
sections
from
the
report
that
I
thought
were
particularly
important.
A
The
the
report
found
that
the
the
current
EMS
system
in
Buncombe
County
is
a
well-planned
and
well
thought-out
system.
The
County
EMS
has
a
fleet
of
14
ambulances,
10
of
those
staffed
and
staged
throughout
the
county,
and
then
Barnesville
Lester
reams,
Creek
and
Riceville.
Each
provide
one
ALS
ambulance.
A
Msf
vs,
your
organization
looked
at
Fairview
Fire
Department
Fairview
had
830
trips
they
billed
for
2017.
This
is
on
page
16,
the
top
top
of
that
page.
So
Fairview
fire
department
had
830
trips
they
built
for
in
2017
out
of
those
trips
they
billed
for
three
hundred
ninety
two
thousand
dollars,
but
only
received
67%
of
the
billed
funds.
This
means
at
Fairview
Fire
Department,
who
provides
two
ambulances,
only
received
262
thousand
dollars
to
support
the
cost
of
providing
two
ambulances.
A
The
cost
of
Fairview
for
those
two
ambulances
would
include
the
normal
salary
range
of
someone
trained
to
the
level
of
a
paramedic
the
medical
supplies
used
and
equipment
used.
If
an
external
company
arrived
today
and
started
running
calls
in
the
Fairview
district
running,
half
of
the
830
trips
would
take
approximately
131
thousand
dollars
from
Fairview's
income.
If
this
were
to
happen,
Fairview
would
most
likely
need
to
cut
its
second
ambulance
and
terminate
staff.
This
change
wouldn't
provide
any
more
of
a
service
than
is
in
place
now.
A
The
second
option
would
be
for
the
county
to
increase,
to
allow
Fairview
to
increase
its
tax
rate
by
one
cent
to
cover
the
loss
of
income
so
yeah
again,
if
we
raise
all
the
rates,
then
then,
then
they
wouldn't
have
to
cut
their
services,
but
if
we,
if
we
aren't
committed
to
raising
the
taxes,
undeniably,
we
would
these
these
existing
organizations.
The
funds
that
are
diverted
would
come
directly
out
of
their
budgets,
so
I
am
so
I
I.
Just
think
this
is
something
we
need
to
be
very
cautious
about
I.
A
E
Thanks
just
briefly,
similarly,
I've
approached
this
sort
of
with
a
very
open
mind
and
wanting
to
see
data
and
have
approached
the
works
session.
We
did
with
a
local
fire
chiefs
in
a
similar
way.
I
see
our
responsibilities
at
the
Commission
level
is
helping
to
think
about
this
on
a
systems
level,
making
sure
that
residents
in
our
community
have
access
to
the
best
services
possible
and
always
thinking
about
how
to
improve
those
services
and
also
the
costs
burden
of
those
services.
E
So
that's
why
I'm
landing
right
now,
based
on
what
we're
hearing
but
I,
think
it's
been
important
to
me.
There's
dots
between
those
conversations
at
the
with
the
fire
chiefs
and
the
conversations
with
the
EMS
and
trying
to
connect
the
dots
and
all
these
figure
out.
What
how
do
we
allocate
the
limited
resources
available
in
our
community
to
make
sure
the
highest
level
service
is
available
in
the
to
everyone
possible?
That's
where
I
land
on
it.
We.
B
The
majority
of
the
Commission
attended
a
funeral
last
week
for
fire
chief
and
I
was
reminded
of
those
families
of
fire
districts.
Is
there
a
place
for
improvement
with
them?
Yes,
we
know
that
now
and
they
know
that
as
well,
but
seeing
seeing
those
families
and
the
tireless
work
they
have
done.
Firefighters,
Goa,
County,
firefighters,
going
out
ems
not
being
paid
well,
but
still
doing
this
work
that
that
was
a
message
sent
home
to
me
and
it's
it's
a
passion.
B
D
That
is
missing
in
this
report.
Not
not
the
reports.
Excellent
I
want
to
commend
you
for
the
report.
It
provides
us
a
lot
of
data.
It
also
gives
us
some
information.
You
know
with
that.
We
can
look
at
for
improvement,
but
but
also
I
mean
it
just
shows
that
we
have
a
very
professional
professionally
around
EMS
team
and
in
fire
team.
D
So
we
also
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
is
the
partnership
between
two
very
professional
organizations.
I
mean
I,
don't
you
know,
I've
known
the
most
of
these
folks,
only
the
time
that
I've
been
on
the
board,
except
for
the
young
men
and
women,
that,
in
all
of
our
churches,
in
other
areas
that
we
have
we
come
to
know.
D
I
I
know
for
sure
that
there
is
no
one
on
this
board
that
does
not
have
the
best
interest
of
all
of
our
first
responders
and
will
support
funding
and
and
as
a
matter
of
fact,
or
pushing
for
increased
funding
in
most
of
these
areas.
When
we
met
before
and
we
we
voted
to
do
this,
we
voted
to
have
the
medic
reviewed
and
to
see
if
medic
was
a
fit
within
this
organization
to
try
to
see
if
this
would
work.
D
So
this
is
not
something
that
you
know
we
would
be
doing
with
a
with
a
blind
eye
and
and
doing
as
a
guarantee
forever.
This
would
be
there
would
be
requirements,
and
we
would
look
at
this
and
we
review
it,
and
we
would
take
your
your
recommendations
and
that's
the
way
that
I
would
be
supportive
of
it
is
being
able
to
to
do
it
in
that.
In
that
fashion,.
D
Of
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
hired
your
group,
which
I
thought
was,
the
main
reason
is
to
review
medic,
because
we
had
agreed
that
we
would
extend
this
agreement
and
to
to
work
together
to
make
this
work
to
provide
a
greater
level
of
service.
And,
however,
you
measured
that
that's
that's
was
the
intent
originally
now
we
have
received
information
on
the
entire
county.
D
That
gives
us
great
information
and
gives
us
some
caveats
that
we
would
have
to
watch
and
be
very,
very
careful
of,
and
for
that
I'm
very,
very
grateful
I'm,
not
sending
signals
of
panic
or
anything
like
that.
I
think
that
the
cooperation
I
think
these
organizations
are
professional
enough,
that
this
board
is
strong
enough
and
professional
defense
commitment
to
them
to
people
in
Buncombe
County
to
take
your
recommendation
on
page
16
and
put
those
parameters
in
there
to
test
it
to
see
if
it
works.
R
It's
all
about
how
they
bill
it's
all
about
what
their
billing
rates
are.
What
their
you
know,
are
they
building
or
is
it
federal
funding
money
that's
coming
to
them?
Is
it
no
and
how
money
is
it
contracting?
The
money,
everybody
that
was
kind
of
looked
at
it
included?
One
thing
we
do
is
worked
really
hard.
I
do
as
an
overseer.
This
is
to
reduce
everything
to
about
25
pages.
Most
reports
I
see
generated
are
around
100
pages
they're.
So
full
of
feel
that
when
you
read
it,
you
don't
understand
it.
R
R
V
R
R
We
emailed
for
further
information
from
the
rescue
squad
of
the
County
EMS
director
yourself
and
I
got
to
receive
the
call
from
the
county
medical
director.
That's
the
only
six
people
that
we
talked
to
and
the
reason
we
contacted
those
fire
departments
is.
When
we
looked
at
their
raw
data,
we
can
actually
see
VIN
numbers.
So
when
we
recognize
multiple
VIN
numbers,
we
recognize
maybe
that
they
are
running.
We
need
to
know
if
they're
running
them
simultaneously.
R
V
W
A
U
I've
never
seen
such
a
complicated
mess
guys.
All
you
got
to
do
is
look
at
garbage
cities
throughout
the
United.
States
did
one
simple
thing:
the
government
bids
against
a
private
company
and
whoever
can
provide
that
service.
The
cheapest
gets
the
bid.
Your
numbers
are
flawed
because
you
don't
know
what
percent
of
those
numbers
were
Medicare
and
Medicaid,
and
how
many
times
your
Buncombe
County
ambulances
were
taking
people
to
nursing
homes
for
dialysis
I
know
because
I
spent
a
bunch
of
time
there.
U
The
question
is:
can
the
private
entity
do
it
for
the
amount
that
the
government
gives
them
if
they
had
a
territory?
That
would
keep
you
from
losing
11
million
to
18
million?
Remember
the
numbers,
so
you
better
not
pass
anything
today
until
you
get
all
your
numbers
straight
and
break
out
what
your
private
contractor
can
do,
because
if
the
government
could
do
it
better,
why
aren't
you
all
haul
in
the
trash
in
Buncombe
County?
U
It's
simple
as
the
nose
on
your
face
guys
it's
a
simple
thing:
you
set
the
criteria,
you
won't
and
you
let
them
bid
for
it.
Now.
You
tell
me
what's
wrong
with
that.
If
nothing,
you
want
to
try
give
them
a
territory
which
fire
department
by
the
way,
has
the
most
problems
with
their
ambulances
and
can't
afford
them.
Talk
to
your
private
contractors
see
if
they'll
take
that
territory,
because
very
obviously
Fairview
didn't
offset
their
cost.
U
So
if
the
private
company
can
go
in
there
and
do
it
and
offset
the
cost,
guess
what
let
the
citizens
of
the
Fairview
Fire
District
have
a
reduction
in
their
fire
tax,
because
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
Fairview
has
a
ladder
truck
and
I,
don't
think.
There's
too
many
tall
buildings
in
Fairview
and
when
the
fire
department's,
if
they
decide
to
go
under
there,
are
501
3,
C
nonprofit
running
by
board
and
that
board
will
decide
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
material.
It's
not
guaranteed
to
come
back
to
the
county.
U
K
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
members
board
like
to
give
a
little
bit
of
advocacy
for
our
group
of
spanish-speaking
people.
I
would
like
for
this
board
to
adequately
fix
this
room
for
people
than
here.
If
they
need
a
hearing
aid,
they
need
it
if
they
need
a
speaking
person,
they
need
it,
but
it
don't
need
to
be
interfering
with
everybody
in
the
audience.
I
have
no
problem
with
these
people
hearing
but
I.
K
Don't
think
we're
looking
at
something
to
help
them
out
with
this
or
two
times
and
I
can't
even
hear
back
there
when
they're
speaking
so
I've
been
patient
not
to
holler
out
so
I'm
addressing
it
up
here
for
you
to
do
something
adequately
for
them
when
they
come,
they
need
it
now.
I
think
the
issue
regarding
what
you're
investigating
we
have
fought
near
a
hundred
family
care
homes
we're
at
the
top
of
the
list.
When
we
look
at
the
state
we're
in
the
top,
that's
not
a
counting
nursing
home.
We
need
to
be
adequately
counting.
K
What
we've
got
here
that
we
need
when
we
call
for
an
ambulance,
regardless
of
what
that
need,
might
be.
So
we
need
to
actually
to
do
that.
Retirement
community
is
Hendersonville
and
Buncombe
County,
and
it's
getting
more
and
more
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
that
as
well.
The
numbers
that
I'm
hearing
denied
in
the
conversation
it's
yeah
if
I
sit
in
the
prayer,
I
know
what
I'd
do
I'd
ask
for
another
investigation
into
this
and
and
look
at
everything
I.
K
X
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
as
I
was
here
in
November
I,
think
I
told
you
everything
I
could
about
medic,
Mike
and
Mandy
came
in
the
baby
waited
our
facility,
while
we,
while
they
were
there,
we
showed
them
every
piece
of
medic,
it's
as
transparent
as
possible.
Now
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
questions
as
to
our
intentions
number
one.
Our
intention
is
not
to
take
anything
out
of
any
Fire
District
period.
We
support
our
fire
service
and
echo
Illin.
X
We
saw
that
at
Richard's
Funeral
this
past
week,
we're
that
it's
a
very
strong
group
that
we're
a
part
of
that
group.
All
we're
asking
for
is
when
an
ambulance
is
out
of
its
area.
We
use
the
fire
department
name.
That
says
an
example.
Somebody
has
to
respond
to
that
call.
Otherwise
it
could
come
from
a
much
greater
distance
time
equals
muscle,
and
if
you
have
a
heart
attack,
it's
been
said
tonight
our
paramedic
sit
in
their
truck
to
be
dispatched.
Yes,
they
do
that's
an
immediate
response
time
we
operate
under
North,
Carolina
OMS.
X
We
do
not
operate
under
the
National
Fire
Protection
standards,
North
Carolina
OMS
says
we
respond
within
90
seconds.
That's
a
protocol
here
locally
in
Buncombe
County,
that's
to
be
followed
again,
we're
not.
We
don't
want
to
take
anything
from
the
Buncombe
County
or
the
fire
departments
or
any
anybody
else.
But
the
fact
in
the
last
few
months
from
December
to
today,
we
responded
to
347
calls
that
should
tell
you
the
services
needed.
X
Y
Nicely
called
I
guess:
I'm
from
the
body,
those
old
Iselle
white
sides
and
I
went
to
school
when
we
learned
about
economics
and
basically,
what
you
do.
If
you
want
the
strongest
businesses
the
strongest
business
models,
is
you
have
competition?
You
don't
try
to
give
some
kind
of
the
difference.
Is
these
guys
are
independent,
their
private
sector?
And
you
guys
have
the
power?
So
you
can
you
can
create
your
own
monopolies.
You
can
make
the
rules
that
say.
Y
Well,
we
you
know,
we
don't
want
you,
they
don't
have
that
power,
so
you're
going
to
win
no
matter
what
I
would,
rather
than
trying
to
make
a
government
decision
when
we
don't
have
all
the
information,
and
we
can't
have
all
the
information.
Just
let
the
market
decide
by
let
the
best
business
model
win
or
share
either
way.
But
another
thing
that
bothered
me
about
this
is
that
seems,
like
ambulances
are
being
used
as
a
cash
cow
because
we
get
federal
dollars.
Well,
we
have
all
these
bumper
stickers
to
talk
about.
Y
You
know,
think
locally
and
act
globally,
or
vice
versa,
and
the
federal
government
Medicaid
Medicare.
That
is
not
a
sustainable
program
and
you
can't
have
a
sustainable
business
model
if
you're,
depending
on
on
systems
like
that
and
so
I
guess,
the
bottom
line
is
government.
The
way
I
learned
about
government
in
this
country
is
that
you're
supposed
to
protect
the
rights
of
people
to
excel.
You
know,
we've
got
an
opioid
crisis.
We
just
heard
earlier
today
that
there
aren't
enough
people
to
help
the
abused
children.
We
don't
have
enough
people
to
help.
Y
Z
We
got
them
paid
for
and
we
moved
on
and
got
a
new
one,
but
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
did
was
made.
It
was
the
children
out
of
Mission
Hospital.
This
is
long
before
the
hospital
had
their
ambulance.
If
a
child
had
to
go
down
to
winston-salem,
Duke,
well,
Buncombe
County
had
a
policy,
then
I
don't
know
if
it's
still
that
way
that
the
parents
couldn't
go
with
the
child
they
had
to
follow
along
behind.
Z
We
were
private
and
we
made
a
ruling
then
that
any
child
in
Buncombe
County
that
we
needed
to
go
down
for
treatment
to
Duke
to
winston-salem,
but
the
bar
anything
just
children.
We
did
let
one
parent
go
with
that
child
and
we
took
that
child
for
free
now.
I
heard
here
that
freeze
not
always
good.
That's
true.
We
didn't
do
it
for
free,
because
we
didn't
know
what
we
were
doing.
We
did
it
for
free
and
I'm
talking
about.
Z
Z
AA
Hi,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
My
name
is
John
Knowles
and
I
came
here
tonight
after
reading
this
document
online,
because
I
wanted
to
share
some
information
that
I
gleaned
from
it
I
work
for
Buncombe
County
as
a
full-time
paramedic
for
about
six
years
and
reading
over
this
I.
Don't
really
have
an
opinion
as
to
whether
medics
should
be
allowed
to
operate
in
the
county.
That's
not
why,
while
I
was
concerned
about
coming
here
tonight,
my
concern
is:
is
looking
at
the
data
in
this
I.
AA
Don't
feel
this
is
a
really
good
representation
of
whether
or
not
Buncombe
County
EMS
is
operating
effectively,
and
some
of
the
dating
here
I
think
is
disconnected
a
little
bit
from
the
conclusions
of
this
report.
Some
of
the
examples
of
that
are
in
breaking
down
the
data
into
zip
codes.
One
of
the
things
that
stuck
out
to
me
is
that
the
280
806
zip
code
has
the
highest
population
of
residents
it
has
over
38,000.
It
also
has
the
highest
call
response.
AA
When
you
go
to
the
two
spreadsheets
on
page
seven
for
some
reason,
288
Oh,
sick,
zip
code
isn't
listed
there.
So
it
doesn't
compare
the
response
rates
in
the
zip
code,
that
has
the
largest
population
and
the
highest
call
volumes.
But
if
you
do
go
to
the
appendix
there's,
a
large
spreadsheet
there
and
if
you
look
at
the
bottom,
two
rows
there,
that
has
the
288.
Oh
six
zip
code
and
when
you
look
at
the
EMS
response
times
over
the
last
four
years,
they've
increased
in
2013
total
response
times.
Q
AA
Minutes
28
seconds
now,
there's
over
nine
and
a
half
minutes
in
2017,
however,
that
same
district
that
same
population
the
same
number
of
call
bombs
when
you
compare
that
to
the
fire
response,
fire
responses
drastically
reduced
their
response
time,
they've
gone
from
over
11
minutes
to
under
8.
This
rapport
doesn't
talk
in
analyze
at
all.
Why
is
that
happening?
What's
the
difference
between
the
fire
response
and
the
EMS
response
in
that
area
and
I?
AA
Think
that's
one
of
the
pervasive
problems
with
this
report
is
that
it's
not
analyzing
the
full
picture
and
it
is
a
full
and
complicated
picture.
There's
a
lot
of
stuff
involved.
There's
finance,
there's,
distribution
of
resources,
another
great
example
where
I
find
a
fault
and
no
offense
to
you,
sir
find
fault
with
this
report.
Is
it
has
the
maps
in
there
that
are
showing
response
times
distributed
geographically
over
the
county,
but
there's
no
assessment
of
how
the
county
is
allocating
its
ambulances
geographically?
Why
are
we
putting
them
where
we
are?
AA
I
A
D
Like
to
clarify
the
I'd
like
to
clarify
the
motion,
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
this
would
be
a
five
year
contract
with
annual
reviews
I'm,
assuming
that
that
attorney
fruit
would
would
draw
that
contract
with
the
proper
parameters
that
would
be
in
that
agreement.
I
would
assume
that
to
be
accurate,
so
it
would
be
with
with
annual
reviews
to
see
that,
where
that
medic
is
meeting
the
the
what's.
The
word
I'm
looking
for
meeting
the
key
performance
indicators
as
listed
on
page
16,
that
the
county
would
would
be
reviewing.
T
A
It's
the
entire
county,
which
again
you
know
the
report
recommends
against
this
and
it's
and
it
specifically
recommends
against
a
countywide
approach
to
this.
So
I
think
talking
about
the
parameters
that
are
in
here.
You
know
the
motion
itself
is
contemplating
something
totally
different.
What
god
that's.
V
One
second,
the
county:
what
I'm
saying
the
county
is,
they
still
were
still
based
over
here
and,
if
they're
needed
in
the
county
anywhere
in
the
county
or
they
can
move
to
a
different
area,
say
Fairview
was
gone
and
they
can
move
and
stage
at
the
mall.
That's
there
to
cover
for
them.
If
both
of
them
were
going.
That's
that's
what
I'm
looking
at!
Not
it's!
V
If
you
put
them
in
a
district
or
just
give
them
an
area,
they've
got
that
right
now,
downtown
Asheville
and
that's
it
opens
them
up
that
they
we
can
utilize
them.
If
we
need
them,
that's
if
we
need
them.
If
that's,
that
makes
it
easier
for
them
to
call
them
if
it's
closer
they're
the
closest
ambulance
in
that
area
in
the
county.
This.
D
Isn't
it's?
You
know
one
last
point,
no
more
hush.
This
is
not
super
complicated
at
all.
The
aim
is
to
make
sure
that
people
in
Buncombe
County
have
an
opportunity
to
have
additional
resources
to
respond
at
the
time
e
9-1-1
call
is
made
and
that
the
the
review
of
that
is
still
going
to
be
at
that,
and
none
of
that's
going
to
change
nothing's
going
to
change
other
than
the
fact
that
that
that
medic
would
be
part
of
that
of
that
mix.
Part
of
that
under
under
this
agreement,.
W
The
other
thing
is
that
final
thing,
I'm
gonna
say
is
there's
one
thing
we
can
do
something
about
and
there's
one
thing
we
can't
do
something
about.
One
thing
we
can
do
something
about
is:
if
we
need
to
offset
to
help
the
fire
tax
we
can.
We
cannot
bring
them
back
to
life
if
they're,
not
there
in
time.
A
So
I,
just
here's
my
final
thing
so
I
think
we're
saying
different
things,
though,
because
on
the
one
hand
we're
saying
it's
only
gonna
be
when
you
know
districts,
ambulances
somewhere
else.
On
the
other
hand,
people
keep
saying
I
want
the
closest
vehicle
to
respond
every
time.
Those
are
not
the
same
thing.
They're
not
I
mean
if,
if,
if,
if
we
say,
there's
a
countywide
opportunity
here,
thank
you
wherever
they
want.
They
can
just
as
the
specific
example
of
Fairview
documents.
Here
they
get,
they
park
their
vehicle
closer.
Then
they
could
take.
A
They
could
take
those
calls
and
and
take
them
away
from
the
you
know
the
existing
infrastructure-
that's
out
there,
so
I
do
think
we're
different
things
are
being
said
here
and
and
and
so
so
here's
my
final
comments
and
I
just
I
also
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
to
me
this
question
was
never
about
the
qualifications
of
medic.
It
has
never
been
the
question.
I
think
it's
an
outstanding
organization
and
I
have
complete
trust
in
in
in
their
ability
to
do
a
great
job.
A
I
think
the
question
is
whether
embedding
an
expanded
for-profit
entity
within
the
existing
public
and
nonprofit
Fire
District
system
makes
the
overall
system
better
or
or
in
some
ways
undermines
it.
You
know
mr.
Elton,
maybe
I
made
the
suggestion
that
we,
you
know,
we
just
bid
all
this
out.
We
look
at
privatizing
the
overall
system
and
while
I'm,
not
necessarily
in
favor
of
that
I
mean
in
some
ways.
A
I
think
the
concern
here
is
that
a
public
system
and
and
with
nonprofit
Fire
District
partners
in
a
partially
privatized
system
in
some
ways
might
be
the
least
efficient
method
of
all.
Like
a
fully
privatized
system,
you
might
get
some
efficiencies,
but
when
you
have
all
these
different
agencies
that
have
already
built
stations,
bought
equipment,
hired
staff,
and
then
you
have
a
private
entity
in
the
mix
as
well.
It's
it
may
be
a
very
inefficient
system,
so
I'll
just
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Now.
E
It
reminds
me
a
bit
of
some
of
the
difficult
zoning
decisions
that
come
before
us,
where
we
have
to
think
not
just
of
the
particulars,
but
also
of
the
precedent.
That's
being
set
and
I
just
will
kind
of
close
out
my
my
comments
by
saying
this
isn't
about
medic
or
the
the
quality
of
work
you
all
do
either
it's
about
the
sort
of
systems
lens
and
making
sure
that,
if
we
are
moving
forward,
we're
doing
in
a
way
that
benefits
the
whole
system.
T
The
question
I
ask
is
when,
as
we
talk
about
this
and
how
are
we
on
monitor,
this
are
evaluated
on
an
annual
basis,
because
to
me
we
need
to
be
more
specific.
It
wouldn't
be
fair
to
the
tallest
or
whoever
we
do
this
with,
because
if
we
say
on
the
one
hand,
we're
gonna
do
it
countywide,
then
we
said
we're
fill-in
here
they're,
you
know
I,
guess
we
need
to
be
specific.
We
don't
need
to
set
up
something
this
vague
and
we
don't
even
know
how
to
monitor.
W
D
C
We
currently
have
a
franchise
for
convalescent
services
for
there
for
the
backup
role
that
we've
discussed
this
evening,
that
and
there's
not
a
formal
contract,
and
this
is
just
this-
is
an
application
for
County
wide
response
requests
and
it
I
think
chairman
Newman
made.
The
point
that
I
was
going
to
address
is
that
it
it
would
have
to
be
incorporated
into
the
EMS
plan
as
a
whole.
That
wouldn't
be
just
a
fill
in
a
blank
unless
the
Ford
wanted
to
make
that
specific
charge.
C
T
D
B
B
V
Maybe
I
misunderstood
I'm,
saying
they
basically
they've
said
they're
not
really
putting
another
Emlyn,
something
they
have
an
ambulance
down
here.
It
gets
turned
down.
Okay,
this
ambulance
leaves
down
here
and
has
to
go
somewhere
well.
That
opens
it
up
for
Buncombe
County
or
it
opens
it
up
for
Fairview
or
it
could
open
it
up
for
somewheres
else.
Right.
I
V
The
fire
departments
that
are
wanting
money
from
this
board
already
have
ambulances,
so
that's
the
ones
that's
going
to
be
coming
in
asking
for
money,
whether
we
do
this
or
not.
That's
the
one
thing
that
we
have
he's
not
asked
in
all
he's
asking
for
is,
if
not
taking
the
district
at
all,
if
he's
needed
in
Fairview
or
if
he
needed
in
Black
Mountain,
where
we
have
or
wherever.
V
M
T
Order
to
if
we
are
going
to
have
an
agreement
in
order
to
protect
the
county
and
mr.
Tolly
we've
got
to
have
a
contract.
Folks,
okay
and
I
can't
vote
on
anything
until
we
have
a
contract,
something
you
know
we've.
If
we're
gonna,
do
our
fiduciary
responsibilities.
Folks,
we
got
to
have
a
contract,
something
we
can
review
and
something
we
can
vote
on.
But
what
we're
talking
about
now
we
don't
have
anything.
The
boat.
D
D
D
D
Okay,
so
I
asked
Commissioner
fryer
to
amend
his
motion
for
a
a
confer
to
direct
staff,
the
county
attorney,
to
bring
a
contract
back
to
the
Commission.
That
is
a
collaboration
between
medic
and
in
the
facts
that
they've
they've
given
us
into
on
page
16,
the
with
key
performance
standards
in
it
to
bring
a
contract
back
to
this
board
that
we
can
vote
on
that
contract,
but
but
that
the
motion
be
that
we
direct
staff
to
do
that.
A
D
Contract,
yes,
all
right,
because
we
have
to
have
a
couple:
we
have
to
have
a
contract
and
what
I'm
saying-
and
you
know
is
it-
you
know-
I
said
if
it
comes
back,
the
right
well
most
will
support
that
so
track,
but
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
a
contract
that
we
can,
that
we
can
do
that.
So
we've
actually
moved
this
forward
from
where
we
were
before
in
that
that
now
now
we're
going
to
get
something
in
writing
back
to
us
that
we
could
that
we
can
vote
on
once.
C
To
do
that,
clarification
from
my
perspective,
I
would
just
ask
that
we
need
done.
Should
I
just
work
with
the
EMS
director
see
how
many
units
would
be
to
come
into
the
EMS
system,
because
that
that
would
be
the
question.
How
many
units
of
medic
would
be
included
within
the
EMS
response
system,
because
their
response
system
is
a
fluid
thing.
It's
not
just
someone
moves
and
someone
fills
the
blank
all
the
time.
It's
sometimes
someone's
in
motion
and
they
look
at
the.
C
D
I
think
to
answer
your
question
that
that
would
be
part
of
the
review
with
EMS
and
then
we're
going
to
get
the
data
from,
because
we
can
sit
up
here
and
talk
this
thing
all
night
long.
Mr.
Fryar,
some
others,
maybe
they're
going
to
have
more
detail
on
this
on
where
this
is
over
there
and
over
there
and
I.
D
Don't
all
we're
wanting
and
I
believe
the
board
wants
is
to
and
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
for
the
board,
but
I
think
that
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
far
that
are,
that
are
EMS,
is
protected
and
that
the
people
of
Buncombe
County
are
protected
and
we're
going
to
be
committed
to
both
of
those.
But
we
don't
have
a
contract
tonight,
so
I'm
saying
direct
staff
to
draw
that
contract
up
and
bring
it
bring
it
back
to
us
in
a
collaboration
between
the
systems.
D
E
Staff
addressed
the
F
is
the
issue
of
how
loss
of
funding
to
local
nonprofits
or
how
the
loss
of
funding
to
the
system
would
be
addressed
and
whether
that
would
include
raising
taxes
or
what
other
strategies
are
available.
I
don't
see
how,
from
the
way,
I
would
approach.
This
is
those
two
questions
are
related
to
each
other.
So
my
amendment,
which
my
friendly
amendment
to
you,
would
be
that
that's
included
in
instructions
to
staff
I.
D
D
D
In
the
end
of
this,
this
tax
thing
you
know,
because
we've
we've
all
we
all
have
a
commitment
to
make
sure
to
firefighters,
taken
care
of
we're
going
in
a
budget
time,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
so,
but
we
don't
have
a
contract,
we've
got
to
have
a
contract
and
all
these
conditions,
including
what
what
commissioner
beach
florist
said
is,
is
needs
to
be
part
of
that
evaluation.
But
we
got
to
have
a
contract
directing
staff
to
bring
that
contract
back
to
us.
A
A
Whoever
gets
a
call
first,
you
know
where
this
entity
would
have
broad
discretion
for
how
they
want
to
operate
within
the
county,
or
it
could
be
this
extremely
targeted.
You
know
in
this
very
small
percentage
of
the
county
population,
where
the
call
time
is
you
know,
we'd
all
like
to
see
them
be
a
little
bit
better.
That's
a
very
small
percentage
of
bunkum
county's
population,
so
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we
need
to
give
some.
If
we're
gonna
ask
them
to
draft
a
contract,
we
need
to
give
some
direction
on.
A
A
You
know
it
should
be
just
narrowly
focused
on
these
areas
where
you
know
some
additional
service
maybe
could
help
but
not
undermine
the
well-performing
parts
of
our
system,
so
from
I'm
not
going
to
support
a
motion
to
kind
of
craft,
an
open-ended
countywide
system,
because
I
just
am
not
convinced
that
that's
in
the
community's
best
interest
and
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
bunch
of
time
on
it.
If,
if
that's,
if
that's
the
nature
of
the
kind
of
contract
you
want
to
see,
then
I
won't
support
it.
A
A
T
A
But
let
me
ask
you
this
I
mean:
do
you
want
I
mean
I'll
and
I'll.
Just
be
honest
again,
there's
been
a
lot
of
turf
around
this
issue.
This
has
been
a
very
political
issue.
It
always
has
been
you
know
forever.
So
if
we
are
asking
the
staff,
including
the
the
fire
district
Chiefs,
to
give
us
their
professional
opinion,
I
would
not
presume
the
outcome
of
that
right
now
in
terms
of
a
contract
at
all
or
what
that
contract
might
include.
A
So
we
really
want
to
ask
right
now:
we've
asked
an
outside
person
who
doesn't
have
you
know
that's
not
from
here's
from
the
other
part
of
the
state.
It's
got
some
expertise.
We
asked
him
to
bring
this
forward
because
it
frankly
it
has
been
so
political
in
the
past
and
that's
what
I
like
about
it.
But
if
we
are
gonna
ask
the
officials
who
are
currently
doing
this
work
for
their
professional
opinion,
let's
don't
handcuff
them
into
what
that
might
be.
So
is
it.
D
D
X
D
D
X
Way
we
function
on
a
day
to
day
basis
is,
since
we
don't
have
a
Buncombe
County
franchise
to
operate
an
emergency
system
that
literally
ties
the
hands
of
the
dispatchers
dispatch.
Okay,
our
9-1-1
center
dispatchers
and-
and
I
welcome
you
all
to
go
talk
to
them
every
single
day.
We
need
to
send
to
a
nuts
out
here.
Maddox,
you
got
one
sitting
on
Charlotte
Street,
but
we
can't
because
of
a
franchise
ordinance.
So
we
have
to
send
somebody
past
us
or
from
a
farther
away
district
that
does
that
patient
or
that
citizen,
no
good.
X
So
if
the
CAD
system
is
placed
in
our
trucks,
they
can
look
on
their
computer
screen
and
see
where
an
ambulance
is
that
if
they
need
it
now,
let's
give
you
I'll,
give
you
an
example
and
I'll
use
Fairview.
If
there's
a
medic
truck
riding
through
Fairview,
Fire
District
and
their
ambulance
is
in
service
at
the
station,
then
Fairview
is
who
should
do
that
column.
X
Same
for
Skyland,
our
main
station
is
in
Skyland
they're,
seven
ambulances
sitting
in
the
building.
If
Skylands
emili´s
is
sitting
in
court,
that's
who
they
need
to
send
to
Skyland
unless
Skyland
calls
and
needs
some
help
that
gives
that
dispatcher
the
option
to
send
a
medic
truck.
That's
already
in
Scotland
we're
not
asking
to
go
camp
out
in
anybody's
fire
district.
We
don't
want
to
do
that.
Nobody
can't
afford
to
do
that,
but
there's
a
lot
of
times
and
they're
getting
more
and
more
as
the
warm
weather
happens.
X
We
see
a
lot
of
these
overdoses
and
these
children
that
were
talked
about
tonight.
We
transport
those
people
in
the
back
of
our
ambulances.
Now
I,
don't
want
to
not
be
able
to
respond
to
a
heart
attack
on
long
shows
rude,
but
things
seen
me
to
downtown
Nashville
to
respond
on
the
same
heart
attack
that
makes
no
sense
at
all.
That
is
not
a
proper
use
of
resources.
So
again
we
are
not
wanting
to
take
anything
from
our
fire
department,
so
we
strongly
support
our
firefighters.
B
W
A
I
R
R
That
was
my
job
in
this
report
as
to
say,
like
we
used,
the
NFPA
1710
standard
is
actually
a
stricter
standard
than
the
state
standard
and
in
Buncombe
counties,
92nd
out
the
door
shoot
time
we
use
a
one-minute
time
and
if
our
service,
so
we
provide
the
strictest
standard
that
we
could
provide
you
and
there's
no
fire
chief
I'll.
My
people
were
going
to
be
out
of
the
door
at
one
in
a
minute
period.
R
So
it's
a
management,
reflection,
they're,
a
little
bit
of
a
war
story,
I'm
all
about
adding
services
and
as
a
fire
chief
a
lot
of
times.
We
work
strongly
to
put
financial
as
not
a
deciding
factor
as
if
we
can
provide
service,
and
then
we
actually
make
the
decision
to
find
funding
to
support
that
theory.
I
had
four
stations
under
my
control
as
a
fire
chief
and
one
of
my
outlined
stations
I
put
there
because
the
the
response
time
was
about
18
minutes
in
that
area
so
and
that
was
medical.
R
I
put
a
substation
there
with
two
firefighters
and
was
criticized
because
what
can
two
firefighters
with
a
fire
truck?
Do
nobody
really
understood
that
I
made
that
decision,
because
the
cardiac
arrest
it
was
not
the
fire
side,
it
was
the
cardiac
arrest
side
if
I
could
put
a
station
there
I
reduced
the
times
in
that
area
to
four
minutes.
4.4
four
minutes
about.
Remember
correctly
now,
I'll
tell
you
where
I
came
from
and
where
I
commend
you-
and
this
is
some
of
my
shakin
in
my
head-
is
you're.
R
Looking
outside
the
box,
the
EMS
director
I
dealt
with
at
a
time.
I
made
the
comment.
If,
if
you
will
allow
me
to
put
one
of
your
paramedics
on
a
firetruck,
we
can
now
provide
ALS
coverage
in
that
area.
In
four
point,
four
four
seconds
I
was
told
that
it
would
be
a
cold
day
in
a
certain
place
if
a
paramedic
ever
rode
a
firetruck.
R
That's
the
response.
I
got
from
my
government
agencies,
so
I
commend
you
for
looking
outside
the
box
and
I'm
again.
I
draw
back
too.
If
you
want
to
add
more
service,
so
be
it,
but
it
is
going
to
affect
you
financially
and,
and
that
was
mine
now
one
thing
I
will
clarify
too
that
I
heard
with
the
zip
code
of
the
last
five
year
data
you
know
and
stuff
like
that
and
EMS
changing
the
way
you
work
with
ABL
system.
Is
you
do
dispatch
the
closest
unit?
R
So
if
you
look
at
the
numbers
over
the
last
five
years,
they
will
change,
but
it
could
have
been
a
management
issue
of
moving
a
piece
of
apparatus
just
see
if
they
can
restore
a
response
time
somewhere
that
affected
the
outcome.
Does
that
make
sense?
And
so
that
might
be
the
skyline
issue,
it
could
be.
R
The
Asheville
issue
of
EMS
time
went
up,
fire
service
went
down
that
could
have
been
the
fire
department
added
an
ambulance
and
the
EMS
moved
out
further
from
that
position
to
cover
another
area,
so
you
may
be
getting
a
fire
service
als
on-site
two
minutes
faster,
but
EMS
may
have
moved
two
minutes
less.
That
makes
sense,
so
it's
all
managerial
when
these
decisions
are
happening
and
that's
where
it's
really
hard
to
provide
a
study.
Looking
back
five
ten
years,
because
the
data
changes,
if
you
move
a
piece
of
apparatus,
your
data
will
change
all.
D
C
B
A
I
T
A
T
A
I
A
C
A
C
Things
a
timing
issue:
they
had
the
approval,
I
think
the
bids
came
in
in
January
I
heard
yesterday
that
they
were
sort
of
some
time.
Crunches
and
I
saw
in
the
paperwork
that
younger
McWeeny
had
actually
extended
the
opening
of
their
bidding
and
they
wanted
to
have
a
contract
at
least
approved
and
in
place
by
tomorrow,
typically
I
think
I've
mentioned
in
pre-session.
It's
been
the
practice
of
the
prior
administration
county
manager
to
have
in
the
budget
ordinances
a
blanket
procedure
whereby
the
chairman
or
the
county
manager
can
sign
contracts.
C
If
the
board
has
already
approved
the
project
and
approved
the
funding,
so
we're
moving
away
from
that
kind
of
blanket
language
in
the
budget
ordinance-
and
this
is
just
a
step
in
that
direction-
to
bring
formal
approvals
for
formal
bidding
contracts.
This
would
be
more
than
$500,000
for
construction
and
whatnot
and
more
than
$90,000
for
for
business,
personal
property
to
the.
A
C
D
So,
chairman,
just
quick
comment.
The
reason
I
wanted
to
hit
this
would
be
done
in
regular
session
and
for
attorney
fruit
to
say
what
I
just
said
is
so
people
know
that
that
we're
not
doing
it
the
way
it
used
to
be
done
before
that
these
bids
are
coming
back
to
the
board
for
a
vote,
whether
they're
in
consent
or
whether
in
the
in
the
main
you
know,
meeting
or
not.
It's
not
signed
off
by
the
county
manager
handle
chairman.
D
I
B
C
D
V
AB
It's
very
needed
at
the
land
field.
Most
people
refer
to
our
landfill
as
the
landfill,
but
we
have
to
landfills
there.
One
is
MSW
and
one
is
C
and
D,
and
this
project,
the
solid
waste
department,
has
been
working
on
for
years
and,
like
attorney
fruit,
said
we're
just
trying
to
follow
the
right
processes
and.
AB
What
this
is
like
I
said
we
have
to
actually
to
landfills
there,
one
MSW
which
is
lined,
and
one
is
C
and
D,
which
is
online
and
right
now
the
way
that
we're
bringing
in
construction
and
demolition
material
by
the
end
of
this
year,
our
C&D
landfill
will
be
at
capacity,
and
we
need
to
make
this
move
now
to
develop
a
new
cell
for
CMD,
and
it's
going
to
take
approximately
six
months
to
develop
that
cell.
So
that's
why
everything
is
so
time-sensitive.
V
AB
V
U
I
figured
the
C
and
D
was
growing
pretty
fast,
with
all
the
buildings
going
on
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
do
in
C
and
D
is
all
the
wood
could
be
separated
and
you
could
produce
your
cows
because
then
you
can
make
mulch
out
of
it.
There's
a
business
on
the
river
that's
making
and
surviving
on
scrap
wood
and
trees,
it's
rubs,
so
that
will
help
you
as
far
as
extending
the
life
of
the
new
sale.
I'm
sure
you
need
a
new
sell.
U
The
other
thing
you
can
do
is
separate
all
metal
and
that's
can
be
sold
and
you
can
make
money
on
it
when
I
first
went
to
work
at
the
landfill
many
years
ago.
Some
of
you
might
remember
that
I,
don't
know
if
you
do
or
not,
but
I
found
out,
we
were
paying
$7
a
unit
to
get
our
refrigerators
freon
removed
when
all
you
had
to
do
was
have
people
pay
you
for
it?
So
that's
another
thing:
if
you'll
separate
the
metal
out
also
you
can
take
all
the
concrete
brick
and
block
and
regrind
it.
U
You
could
put
it
in
a
pile
and
regrind
it
and
use
it
for
daily
cover
or
you
could
use
it
for
stone
for
your
roads
in
the
landfill.
All
of
these
things
will
help
the
overall
life
of
the
length
I
mean
he
knows
that
and
it's
hard
to
do,
but
you
can
get
your
people
to
do
it
because
I
can
tell
you
when
I
first
was
hired,
I
ate
my
lunch
at
the
landfill
for
about
a
year
and
I
never
had
a
contractor,
refuse
to
do.
What
saved
me
money
and
that's
very
simple
to
do.
U
You
just
require
that
it
be
done
this
way
and
it
can
be
done
and
another
point
in
question
and
I'll
send
a
note
to
you.
Mandy
on
this
I
want
to
start
monitoring
the
landfill
I.
Look
for
your
checks
to
be
printed
on
the
internet
somewhere,
I
want
to
see
the
money
income
each
month
from
the
revenue
and
how
it's
spent,
because
you
are
going
to
have
to
cover
your
landfill
up
and
I.
Do
have
a
strong
interest
in
that.
So
whoever
is
responsible
for
that.
Please
put
me
in
contact
with
them.
U
I'll
send
a
note
to
you,
Mandy
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
monitor
the
person
that
has
the
information
and
talk
with
him
on
it.
I'm
not
trying
to
tell
you
how
to
run
the
landfill,
that's
his
job,
but
it
will
extend
the
life
of
your
landfill
and
give
you
some
beneficial
product
takes
a
little
effort,
but
it's
something
you
should
consider
and
I'm
sure
he
definitely
needs
a
new
cell
with
what's
been
going
on.
K
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
members
board
this
land
feel
fun.
Is
a
really
big
I'm
glad
dong
talking
about
this
check
online,
you
know
we
want
to
keep
up
with
it.
Do
you
think
the
seven
people
up
are
there's
a
lot
of
eyes
out
here
in
the
country
anyway,
I
heard
just
a
little
glimpse
the
lawyer:
that's
the
way
they
are.
They
don't
want
to
tell
you
the
whole
story.
Just
a
little
bit
cooking
get
you
paid,
but
I
heard
a
little
procedure
there
about
budget
ordinance
that
Wanda
used
to
do
differently.
K
When
did
that
change
tonight
when
he
said
that,
or
is
the
procedures
changed
because
if
the
procedures
has
changed,
when
did
he
change
it?
When
the
budget
ordinance
change
that
procedure
that
you're
talking
about
tonight
now,
I,
don't
know
it's
that's
what
I
found
sounded
to
me
like
with
the
attorney
talking,
so,
if
I'm
out
of
order
on
that
statement,
please
help
me
but
I'd
like
to
know
this
landfill
brings
in
big
big
money.
This.
This
is
big
money
and
I've
seen
it
transferred,
and
this
might
be.
K
What
you've
referred
to
earlier
is
transferred
out
of
one
into
another
pot
of
money
and
that
money-
you
know
it
bring
it
in
ten
million
or
six
million
or
whatever
and
transfer
it
over
I,
don't
know
what
the
procedures
are,
but
I
just
want
to
know
if
something
has
changed
there.
That
makes
this
different
tonight
and
what
that
change
is
I,
don't
know.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
Simply
the
the
budget
that
we're
still
operating
under
the
fiscal
year,
18
budget
has
a
provision
in
it
that
if
the
board
has
approved
it
and
funded
it,
then
it
allows
the
county
manager
or,
and
the
county
manager,
or
either
of
them
to
execute
the
contracts
as
and
when
they're
approved
by
staff.
Here
I
thought
that
we're
just
double
dipping
I
didn't
have
to
come
here.
I
didn't
have
to
ask
Manny
to
put
it
on
the
agenda,
but
we
are
times
are
changing
and
I
just
see
it
as
good
practice.
Okay,.
A
That's
a
great
answer,
so
so
question
would
be
so
question
would
be.
Thank
you
for
doing
it.
So
would
it
be
a
recommendation
that
we
adopt
a
policy
so
that
that
is
the
norm?
I
appreciate
y'all,
doing
it's
not
a,
although
it
was
not
required
by
caring
policy
should
we
should
we
consider
doing
that.
I.
C
Think
so
I
mean
it
part
of
the
part
of
what
we
have
been
doing
is
just
trying
to
get
the
management
and
budget
people
to
work
on
systems
to
get
things
to
the
county
manager
or
to
the
chair
for
signature.
This
is
just
the
part
of
the
formal
bidding
process.
It
could
probably
just
simply
be
a
policy
of
County
management
to
be
in
compliance
with
general
statute,
because
the
idea
is
just
to
follow
the
general
statute.
C
A
All
right
any
further
questions,
all
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
all
right
and
that
concludes
new
business.
We've
come
to
public
comment,
I
like
to.
Let
me
share
the
protocol
for
public
comment
by
the
time
limit
for
individual
comment
to
the
board
is
three
minutes.
If
your
time
expires,
you
can
leave
any
questions
along
with
your
name
and
address,
and
phone
number
with
the
county
manager
board.
Members
are
not
expected
to
comment
on
matters
during
public
comment.
A
This
is
the
time
for
the
public
to
speak
to
us
and
the
board
reserves
the
right
to
deny
public
address
on
subjects
that
we've
previously
had
public
comment
on
earlier
in
the
evening.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
address
the
Commission,
just
let
us
know
your
name
and
where
you
live
and
who
would
like
to
go
first?
Yes,
sir,
you
can
go
first
and
then
and
then
the
young
man
will
go
second.
AC
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
Mark
Diaz
and
I'm,
a
member
of
the
board
of
directors
at
to
say
any
much
community
center
and
I'm
here
to
report
on
our
internet
project.
First
off
I
would
like
to
thank
this
body
for
providing
us
the
funding
to
provide
this
valuable
resource
to
our
community
members,
for
whom
many
is
the
only
access
to
the
Internet.
A
little
about
myself,
I'm,
a
retired
federal
employee
with
37
years
federal
service
I
have
an
extensive
background
in
telecommunications
as
such
I'm.
AC
The
technical
lead
who
oversaw
the
installation
of
the
infrastructure,
such
as
the
optical,
cable
and
transmission
equipment,
which
makes
up
our
internet
system
a
little
about
our
system
and
our
equipment
and
access
is
provided
by
AT&T.
Our
backbone
fiber
is
supported
by
modern
packets,
which
transmission
equipment
and
on-demand
bandwidth.
AC
We
have
an
enterprise
level
Wi-Fi
system,
comprised
of
two
access
points
which
allows
us
to
offer
24/7
service
to
our
community.
Overall,
the
system
is
managed
by
AT&T
for
us,
but
I
do
monitor
it
via
a
entities
web
interface,
the
health
and
status
of
our
local
area
network.
We
officially
came
online
the
beginning
of
this
year.
Since
then
we
have
noticed
a
steady
increase
in
the
number
of
users.
For
example,
for
the
month
of
January,
we
noted
465
total
user
devices
as
of
31
March.
It
has
increased
to
581,
as
the
weather
gets
better.
AC
We
expect
that
number
to
increase.
In
summary,
again,
we
thank
you
for
giving
us
a
tool
stir
by
just
opportunity
to
our
community
and
look
forward
to
your
continued
support
and
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
and
also
like
to
mention
that
we
have
a
few
community
members
here
with
me
who
would
like
to
share
their
story
and
impact
of
this
project
on
our
community.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
A
O
My
name
is
Bruno
Jose
Therese
I
am
I've
been
living
in
Buncombe
County
now
for
19
years
as
a
Buncombe,
County
resident
I
definitely
see
the
great
community
that
we
have
and
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
The
some
of
you
might
know
recently
over
the
weekend
since
Saturday
morning,
I
I
myself
would
probably
have
a
couple
of
gray
hairs
growing
already
because
of
the
constant
attacks
that
our
community
has
had
over
the
last
four
days.
O
I'm
talking
about
the
immigrant
community
and
the
great
support
that
the
community
at
large
has
had
on
or
has
given
the
community
I'm
talking
about
the
immigrant
community
I'm
talking
about
the
LGTBQ
community,
I'm
talking
about
the
african-american
community
and
the
homeless
community
that
have
come
together,
along
with
other
in
faith
groups.
In
order
to
counter-attack
this
rogue
administration
set
by
immigration
and
I
believe
that
it
is
your
responsibility
as
County
Commissioners,
to
hold
some
sort
of
accountability
towards
this
agency.
O
I
am
here
because
they
have
been
human
rights
violations
and
you're
in
your
own
territory.
There,
as
of
today
Tuesday
the
Supreme
Court,
has
also
ruled
that
deportations
due
to
criminal
crimes
is
unlawful
and
it's
unconstitutional.
That
being
said,
are
you
willing
to
let
something
like
this
go?
Something
unconstitutional
go
in
Buncombe,
County
I
know
that
the
sheriff
is
not
willing
to
say
anything
on
that
behalf.
I
know
that
they're
not
in
communication
with
him
us
so
Soto.
O
He
says,
but
I
know
that,
in
order
for
immigration
to
come
and
to
since
the
territory
they
have
had
to
have
a
conversation
with
either
law
enforcement
that
be
APD
in
Asheville
or
Buncombe.
County
I
am
here
to
tell
you
that
my
community
has
not
slept
since
Saturday
morning.
We
have
heard
of
many
many
people
in
the
Buncombe
County
area
being
distressed
and
not
talking
about
talking
about.
Also
these
kids,
these
children,
who
are
in
schools
and
some
of
them
did
not
even
show
up
to
their
schools
because
of
this.
O
So
what
are
you
willing
to
do
to
set
something
straight,
to
give
a
message
to
this
institution
that
has
terrorized
a
community
at
large
I?
Don't
know
if
you
have
seen
the
streets
at
times
over
the
weekend,
but
no
one
out
there
in
construction
workers
have
not
been
working
in
the
constructions
out
there.
O
O
What
are
you
what's
the
message
you're
sending
to
these
kids
as
well?
We
have
some
young
people
here
who
are
looking
at
you
who
will
go
to
school
tomorrow
and
we'll
talk
about
what
you're
gonna
do
in
the
future.
I
admire
the
fact
that
they're
here,
because
these
are
the
future-
this
is
the
future
of
our
country
or
or
County.
O
Am
tired
of
our
community
at
and
by
fact,
and
actually
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
it's
a
it's
been
going
on
since
Saturday
morning
it's
been
four
days.
We
know
that
at
least
four
people
were
picked
up
today.
Over
the
weekend
we
know
of
two
other
people
in
Buncombe
County
that
were
picked
up.
We
have
a
group
of
people
and
community
that
is
willing
to
step
up
with
with
a
community
at
large
that
have
been
in
Buncombe
County
and
in
Hendersonville.
O
Hendersonville
is
by
far
the
most
people
that
has
picked
up
immigration
over
this
operation.
This
was
an
operation
that
was
that
has
been
going
on
for
in
the
state
for
over
a
week
and
a
half
and
we're
just
now
seeing
the
beginning
of
this.
It's
not
gonna
be
over.
We
don't
believe
it's
gonna
end
tonight.
We
don't
believe
it's
gonna
end
up
tomorrow.
O
What
we
do
know
is,
it
might
go
up
until
Friday,
how
many
more
people
are
you
willing
to
let
go
of
your
community?
What
are
you
willing
to
do
is
my
question
to
to
you.
What
is
what
are
you
willing
to
do
as
commissioners
of
a
county
that
does
not
believe
in
this
kind
of
harassment
does
not
believe
in
this
kind
of.
O
Intimidation
and
I
am
saying
this
as
a
father
as
a
as
a
son,
I
believe
some
most
of
you,
if
not
all
of
you
have
family
members.
What
are
you
going
to
tell
your
kids
right
now?
There's
some
family
members
haven't
that
that
have
not
seen
their
family
I
have
not
seen
their
dad
for
a
couple
of
days.
They
might
not
even
ever
see
them,
and
some
of
these
people
that
we
know
of
had
no
criminal
record
whatsoever.
O
The
amount
of
increase
that
we
have
seen
over
this
with
these
operations
and
since
the
or
since
this
administration's
has
been
rising
highly,
and
there
are
so
many
violations
that
have
occurred
due
to
this
power
that
has
been
given
to
this
agency,
we're
talking
about
one
hundred
and
seventy
one
percent
increase
and
deportations
and
detentions
of
individuals
that
had
no
criminal
record
whatsoever.
That
is
HUGE.
That
is
way
more
than
the
Capretta
pass
per
administration
has
ever
made.
O
O
O
A
AD
AD
We
are
here
representing
faith
for
justice,
a
group
of
faith
leaders
in
Buncombe
County
and
the
we
are
here
to
read
a
statement
that
has
been
prepared
by
faith
for
justice
on
their
behalf.
The
statement
represents
Reverend
Tammy
Fort,
a
Logan
reven
Amy
Cantrell,
with
beloved
community
Reverend,
tot
Donatelli
at
the
Cathedral
of
All
Souls
Episcopal
Church,
Reverend,
Nancy,
surest,
ed
from
circle
of
mercy,
congregation
and
myself
from
circle
of
mercy.
Rabbi,
Justin,
goldstein,
reverend
sarah
wilcox
and
holly
roach
knight
from
the
transformed
network,
I'm
gonna,
let
the
two
of
them
introduce
themselves
and.
AD
Faith
for
justice
of
Asheville
vehemently
opposes
the
ongoing
use
of
immigration,
Customs
Enforcement
ice
by
the
federal
government.
These
actions
are
devastating
to
our
community
across
Buncombe
County
in
Western
North
Carolina,
this
state
in
this
country.
We
are
calling
on
the
city
of
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
to
publicly
condemn
the
ice
presence
and
their
use
of
manipulative
tactics
against
residents
in
our
County,
portraying
immigrant
immigrants
and
refugees
as
criminals
and
threats,
rather
than
seeing
them
as
beloved
children
of
God
is
immoral
and
unamerican.
AD
We
are
called
to
love
our
neighbors
as
ourselves,
and
the
criminalization
and
dehumanization
of
our
immigrant
siblings,
through
ice
tactics
and
actions
prevent
us
all
from
seeing
their
humanity
and
we
risk
losing
our
own.
It
is
immoral
to
track
human
beings
down
like
animals
in
their
places
of
residence
on
their
jobs
in
their
neighborhoods,
while
at
the
grocery
store
and
at
their
children's
schools.
Most
of
these
community
members
are
only
deemed
illegal
because
this
country
changed
laws
and
policies
to
prevent
them
from
remaining
here
after
we
refuse
them
for
our
own
purposes.
A
AE
Reality
of
our
history
in
the
u.s.
is
that
this
country's
prosperity
has
been
built
on
the
backs
of
poor
and
disenfranchised
immigrants
who
either
sojourned
here
by
choice
or
by
force
as
people
of
faith.
We
are
called
to
care
for
those
in
need
and
love
one
another,
and
as
leaders
of
this
city
and
county,
you
are
called
to
serve
and
protect
all
residents.
We
call
on
you
to
create
sanctuary
and
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
and
stop
allowing
our
immigrant
neighbors
to
live
in
a
constant
state
of
fear
and
panic.
AE
AD
AF
Good
evening,
chairman
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
michael
harney,
as
some
of
you
know
me.
I
work
at
the
Western
North
Carolina
aids
project,
I
teach
Spanish
at
a
BTEC
and
at
Blue
Ridge
here
here
to
our
immigrant
population
and
those
who
are
activists
in
our
community
I
feel,
like
we've,
seen
a
lot
of
good
information
tonight,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
good
numbers.
I
want
to
add
a
few
more.
You
know.
My
stance
is
all
about
needle
exchange
about
the
vulnerable
communities
across
the
world
across
our
country
and
in
our
communities.
AF
So
those
who
are
incarcerated,
those
who
are
immigrants,
those
who
are
public
sex
workers,
those
who
are
men
who
have
sex
with
men,
those
are
transgender
people,
those
who
are
injecting
drug
users
and
I
still
am
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
injecting
drug
use
in
this
community
and
the
need
for
needle
exchange.
I
know
that
it
is
a
very
costly
of
concept
that
that
we
would
fund
needle
exchange
through
our
health
departments,
whether
the
Buncombe
County
Health
Department,
are
all
85
County
health
departments
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina.
AF
Historically
of
all,
new
HIV
infections
were
related
to
the
injection
by
dirty
needles,
shared
needles
because
of
the
inaccessibility
to
needles,
and
so
we
have
been
able
to
bring
that
down
at
a
national
level
to
about
eight
or
nine
percent,
when
we
have
implemented
needle
exchange
programs
comprehensively
as
part
of
harm
reduction
programs
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina
I'm
reading
from
the
HIV
STD
hepatitis
surveillance
report
by
the
communicable
disease
branch,
the
North
Carolina
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services
said
last
year.
It's
actually
a
2016.
AF
There
were
thirteen
hundred
ninety
new
case
reports
of
HIV
in
this
state
and
we
have
about
a
5.8
percent
of
those
new
case.
Reports
are
related
directly
to
intravenous
drug
use,
so
people
got
HIV
because
of
a
dirty
needle
because
they
couldn't
have
access
to
clean
needles,
and
that
represents
only
81
cases,
which
doesn't
sound
like
very
much.
But
one
person
getting
HIV
is
unnecessary
in
these
dates
and
times
and
at
the
lowball
cost
of
$300,000,
estimated
by
the
North
Carolina
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services.
AF
The
total
lifetime
cost
of
an
HIV
infection
at
about
$300,000.
If
we
could
prevent
three
of
those
infections,
we're
saving
close
to
a
million
dollars,
I
heard
there's
a
half
a
million
dollar
savings
from
the
landfill
and
I
appreciate
that
I'm
not
asking
for
that
much
money,
I'm
just
warning
if
we
could
figure
out
a
way
to
logistically
and
legitimately
fund
needle
exchange
through
our
health
departments,
to
see
that
people
need
access
to
needles
for
no
matter
what
I
said
it.
AF
The
last
time
I
was
before
you
and
I'll
say
it
again
that
we
all
need
a
blanket
of
protection,
so
not
just
for
the
immigrants
and
I
certainly
think
we
need
a
brand
blanket
of
protection
for
them,
but
for
people
who
need
access
to
needles
who
have
needles
in
their
possession.
That
does
not
be
incarceration
that
we're
looking
at
that.
We're
not
gonna,
see
this
as
a
legal
issue
as
much
as
a
public
health
priority
and
I.
Thank
you
much
and
I'll
see
you
again
soon.
N
Mr.
chairman
and
commissioners,
I'm
gonna
lighten
this
up
a
little
bit
I'm
a
resident
of
Northwestern
Buncombe
County,
and
we
love
our
mountain
home.
It
does
have
a
few
little
setbacks,
though
one
of
those
being
you
have
to
drive
30
minutes
to
get
anywhere,
which
is
why
we
moved
out
there
to
start
with.
N
The
second
is:
access
to
upper
recently
internet
and
I'm,
a
computer
guy
been
one
since
1978
when
I
built
my
first
on
digital
computer,
and
if
ever
there
was
a
community
that
fit
the
definition
of
digital
deprived,
saying
they
must
rush
up
until
y'all
generously
gave
us
the
grant.
We've
got
Internet
there.
Now
the
children
in
the
community
can
come
down
to
the
community
center.
They
can
get
on
the
internet,
get
on
Google,
Earth
and
walk
the
streets
of
Paris
go
to
France
go
to
anywhere.
They
want
to
go
and
definitely
a
benefit
to
everybody.
N
N
Community
center
also
set
up
with
the
grant
money,
a
print
system
for
the
people
and
their
I
know
you
guys
all
have
access
to
the
Internet
hard
to
believe
anybody
today
doesn't,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
people
that
did
not,
and
this
we
really
appreciate
your
graft
and
I
think
she's
putting
in
for
another
one
we'd
like
to
see
that
approved
as
well.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
know
you
guys,
probably
ready
to
go
home.
I
am
too
and.
S
I'm
dyin
and
hello
guys.
How
are
you
I
just
want
to
say?
I
am
so
enthusiastic
about
the
kids
in
our
community
having
the
access
to
Internet,
I'm,
tutoring
right
now,
five
home
schoolers
that
haven't
worked
on
computers
that
much
and
they
are
so
excited
about
it
because
of
y'all's
contribute
to
our
community
and
also
we
have
GED
students
that
are
working
very
hard
to
get
their
GED
so
that
our
community
is
better
for
everyone.
So
I
just
want
to.
S
Thank
you
all
for
might
your
consideration
and
think
about
us
a
little
sandy
mush,
our
community,
but
the
children
are
very
excited
and
we
have
one
named
Isaiah
and
she
wanted
to
tell
y'all
while
I
was
writing
up
my
little
things.
She
said
well
tell
them
we're
having
fun
on
the
computer
too.
So
thank
you
so
much.
AG
Service
that
you
have
helped
us
get
for
the
continuing
of
their
education.
I
talked
to
two
friends
of
mine
this
morning
that
are
enrolled
in
the
a
BTech
online
GED
program
at
the
San
Dimas
Community
Center
Sarah
quit
school
in
her
senior
year
six
months
away
from
graduation.
She
no
longer
could
stand
being
bullied,
Bradley
quit
school
in
his
junior
year.
He
could
not
keep
up
with
the
rest
of
his
class
and
was
too
proud
to
ask
for
help.
I
asked
them
how
important
having
access
to
the
internet
educational
program
is
to
them.
AG
Their
responses
were
as
follows:
the
San
Dimas
Community
Center
is
close
to
their
homes.
They
feel
safe
at
the
center.
It
is,
in
fact,
an
old
schoolhouse.
They
can
study
for
six
hours
if
they
want
to
at
a
pace
that
is
comfortable
for
them.
They
study
with
other
friends
in
the
program
the
Internet
one
another.
They
use
Facebook
to
talk
about
going
to
the
community
center
to
actually
study
to
get
there
to
get
their
GED
you've
made
that
possible.
AG
They
help
the
support
and
encourage
one
another.
There
is
always
an
edge
kated
volunteer
to
help
them
answer
their
questions
and
put
them
in
a
positive
direction.
They
believe
that
the
internet
service
provided
at
the
san
dimas
community
center
will
help
them
achieve
the
education
they
need
for
a
better
future.
They
are
setting
an
example
that
others
will
follow.
AG
AG
A
U
Sometimes
y'all
feel
like
the
dog
to
chase
the
car
you
caught
it
and
kind
of
how
do
you
wished
you
had
to
cover?
Y'all
saw
the
whole
world's
problems
you're
supposed
to
stop
the
federal
government
you're
supposed
to
provide
immediate
ambulance
service
to
everybody.
I
mean
I,
feel
sorry
for
you
all.
That's
why
I
ask
simple
questions:
I
am
looking
for
the
checkbook
on
the
Internet.
I
also
sent
an
email
to
Mandy
about
going
into
closed
session.
U
That's
permitted
in
this
section,
that's
one
forty
three
three
eighteen
point:
eleven
and
I'm
sure
your
attorney
knows
it
and
I.
Look
at
your
agenda
today
and
you'll
see
April
the
24th
8:00
a.m.
Commission
will
hold
a
special
closed
session
prayer,
NCGS,
143,
318
11.
A
six
I
got
excited
that
six
tells
you
the
exact
reason
that
you
can
go
into
closed
session
and
I
want
to
make
the
recommendation,
and
he
said,
he's
always
done
it
when
you
announced
that
exact
reason
that
you're
going
into
closed
session.
U
Summarize
that
reason,
because
there
are
six
reasons
and
the
reason
I
want
you
to
summarize,
it
is
calling
a
closed
session.
The
public
body
may
hold
a
closed
session
only
up
on
a
motion
duly
made
and
adopt
it
at
an
open
meeting.
Every
motion
to
in
motion
to
a
closed
meeting
so
site,
one
or
more
of
the
permissible
purposes
listed
to
the
subsection,
a
which
then
entitles
the
numbers.
U
So
the
bottom
line
is,
if
you
will
mention
that
and
summarize
it
it
will
educate
the
public,
and
you
do
have
the
permission-based
up
on
the
institute
of
government
and
another
attorney
whose
interpretation
you
can
do
pretty
Dern
with
whatever
you
want
to,
but
I
think
you
all
are
trying
to
appear
to
be
open
and
honest,
and
that
would
appear
better
to
us
in
the
public
because
you
get
so
much.
You've
got
a
handle
and
you
cop
that
dog.
Sometimes
you
set
up
there
and
you
don't
see
what
it
sounds
like
out
here.
U
But
I
do
want
a
second
the
fact
that
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
your
sound
system.
There
should
be
a
way
to
monitor
the
volume
coming
out
and
that
you
should
be
able
to
magnify
that
volume,
because,
when
you
get
down
real
serious
and
I
got
eight
seconds
left
when
you
get
down
real,
serious
and
start
talking
kind
of
common
nice
like
that
I'm
old.
But
you
can't
hear
a
thing
back
in
the
back
room.
A
K
K
Well,
Don
didn't
say
nothing
so
I
thought
I
was
all
right.
Thank
you,
Joe
to
a
serious
note.
Yes,
child
abuse,
elder
abuse
or
any
kind
of
boots
is
wrong.
I
lost
a
child
early
on
in
my
marriage,
we've
been
married
for
49
years
and
we
lost
a
child.
I
know
what
it
is
to
live
with.
My
wife
lost
her
dad
to
a
murder,
so
she
was
14
years
old.
K
We
took
mother-in-law
in
kept
her.
We
took
a
sister
in
sister
law
that
had
committed
or
tried
to
commit
suicide.
So
I
have
lived
the
life
of
what
abuse
is.
We
got
to
rise
above
that,
and
it
ain't
stopped
me
yet
and
it
ain't
going
to
because
I've
got
a
little
better,
trusting
somebody
other
than
a
man
and
that's
the
Lord.
K
So
my
integrity
is
what
I
got
now
what
I
do
to
help?
Others
is
all
that
matters.
If
they
don't
know
you
care
nothing
else.
Matters
I
think
your
staff
will
tell
you
that
I've
helped
just
as
much
as
I've
give
I
might
have
give
you
a
hard
time
or
it
sounded
that
way.
But
I've
given
up
give
help
and
I'll
still
do
that
and
I'm
gonna.
Do
that.
K
So
I
want
to
point
out
something
to
you.
There's
three
things
coming
mental
health
and
physical
health
is
going
to
merge.
The
hospital
is
selling
and
that's
one
point,
eight
billion
dollars.
If
you
ain't
hurt
that
lot
come
on
premature
and
the
regionalization
of
DHHS
and
DSS
is
coming
together
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
meeting
in
April
26
at
Western.
Carolina
University
I
want
to
see
every
one
of
you
there.
K
They're
gonna,
be
a
regionalization
meeting
and
you
ain't
gonna
sit
there
and
tell
me
that
you
don't
have
nothing
to
say
or
you're
letting
the
state
SuperValu
you
better
get
your
you
know,
goggles
off
and
your
colored
glasses
off
and
go
see
the
real
world
they're
gonna
fixed.
It
lay
it
out
to
you
and
you're
not
going
to
think
about
it.
Like
you
have
in
the
past
and
tell
me
you
don't
have
a
hand
in
it.
K
You're
gonna
have
a
big
hand
in
it,
and
I
ain't
heard
just
talked
about
in
this
room
about
what
we're
talking
about
here.
This
has
been
going
on
since
2017,
and
they
need
to
be
a
workshop
right
here
in
Buncombe
County
on
this
and
what
the
results
look
like
in
Buncombe,
County
and
the
judicial
system
is
gonna.
Be
another
talk
to
me.
Call
me:
okay,
yeah,
all
right.