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From YouTube: Land Conservation Advisory Board Meeting, May 17, 2023
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I,
don't
think
we
do,
but
I
do
have
two
quick
introductions
that
I
can
give
to
two
new
faces
that
we're
seeing
on
the
screen.
We
have
Jill
Carter
our
open
space,
Bond
manager
is
here
with
us,
I
I,
don't
know.
Some
of
you
may
recognize
her
from
certain
public
events,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
she
is
introduced,
as
well
as
our
new
land
protection
pro
at
riverlink.
We
have
Hannah
Coates.
C
All
right,
great
and
welcome
to
both
of
you,
guys,
Joe
you're,
going
to
be
kind
of
the
rock
star
in
the
county.
I
guess
is
all
of
the
bond
issue.
Money
comes
up,
but
welcome
to
both
of
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
have
two
projects.
We
really
want
to
get
to
Tom
panslow's
with
us
from
conserving
Carolina
this
morning
good
morning,
Tom
and
would
be
ready
for
you
to
start.
If
you
are.
J
J
But
where
is
this
project
located
at
64.9
Acres,
it's
located
in
the
upper
Broad
River
Focus
area,
as
you
can
see
it's
here,
just
west
of
Highway
nine,
and
we
had
previously
submitted
this
tract
and
another.
Oh
150
acres
in
a
sort
of
an
Omnibus
application
to
North
Carolina
waterfund,
the
harrises
are
very,
very
motivated
by
conserving
their
land
and
what
they
wanted
to
do
was
get
a
grant
from
North
Carolina
land
water
fund
so
that
they
could
not
only
conserve
the
land
they
own
now
through
Book
value
LLC,
and
this
track.
J
That
down
here
to
the
South
and
then
they
want
to
use
the
proceeds
from
the
grant
to
buy
out
their
neighbor
and
put
a
conservation
easement
on
that
as
well,
that
Grant
wasn't
funded,
unfortunately,
but
some
good
things
came
out
of
it,
which
I'll
get
to
in
just
a
second.
So
here
you
see,
though
we
are
just
west
of
Highway
9
and
the
Beautiful
upper
Broad
River
or
as
it's
known
locally,
the
rocky
Broad
River.
J
The
track
is
thickly
forested,
it's
Mountain,
Oak,
Hickory,
Forest,
acidic
subtype
and
then
in
these
deep
draws
is
acidic
Cove
Forest
up
here,
just
on
the
boundary
is
Rich
Fontaine,
a
small
patch
of
Rich
Montagne
Forest,
but
mostly
this
land
is
acidic
type
Forest
communities
the
land,
as
far
as
we
can
tell,
has
not
been
industrially
logged.
Now.
What
do
I
mean
by
that?
We
don't
see
skitter
paths
we
do
know.
We
do
know
that
this
land
was
used
in
the
19th
century.
J
Some
of
you
may
know
Jeff
Shaner
with
natural
heritage
program.
She
inventored
the
track
and
she
wrote
up
a
site
survey
report
that
natural
heritage
programs
decided.
Yes,
there
should
be
a
natural
area
designated
for
this
track.
Now,
as
everyone
knows,
natural
areas
have
no
protection,
but
they
are
there
to
to
alert
the
public
to
alert
landowners.
You
have
something
special,
so
this
is
the
sand.
Branch
Forest
Natural
Area.
J
At
this
point
it
doesn't
have
a
extremely
high
ranking
it's
ranked
moderate
by
national
Irish
program,
but
the
quality
of
the
forest
impressed
chess
here,
especially
on
this
track,
where
I
said,
the
industrial
logging
has
not
apparently
has
not
taken
place.
She
found
numerous
trees
in
the
24
to
36
inch
range,
dbh,
Diner
breast
height.
So
it's
it's
verging
on
Old
growth.
It's
if,
if
there's
not
actual
growth
on
it
and
that
needs
to
be
looked
at,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
closely.
J
It's
getting
out
of
here.
What
are
we
looking
for?
We're
looking
for
transaction
costs
to
be
covered
by
this
grant
tilling
forty
five
thousand
dollars,
you'll
note
that
and
I
took
pains
to
point
this
out
several
places
application
the
Harris's
we'll
be
back
into
fiscal
year,
2024
looking
for
35
000
in
acquisition
money,
so.
J
Help
that
we
are
expecting
hoping
for
a
grant
Award
of
35
000
to
pay
them
for
the
conservation
easement,
so
Fort
we're
asking
for
forty
five
thousand
dollars
today
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
and
ask
for
35
000
in
the
next
fiscal
year
seeking
acquisition
funding
so
that
this
conservation,
it's
not
a
peer
donation,
it
will
be
a
bargain
purchase,
and
so
we
took
that
into
account
and
calculating
the
matching
funds.
Here
today,.
J
Even
though
we
don't
a
thousand
dollars,
If
This
Were,
a
pure
donation,
then
this
190
000
would
be
225
000,
the
Harris's.
They
just
want
this
land
protected
for
future
generations,
and
so
what
does
that
mean?
Well,
no
development,
obviously,
no
agriculture,
no
wood
crafting
no
commercial
forestry.
They
do
want
to
reserve
the
right
to
manage
for
Forest
Health
they're
very
concerned
about
the
impacts
of
Hemlock
woolia
delgid.
J
They
want
to
be
able
to
treat
non-native
invasive
species
and
you
know
having
Bob
Gale
out
there
yesterday.
That
was
extremely
helpful
to
them
to
learn
about
a
little
outbreak
they
have
of
tree
of
heaven,
and
that's
also
something
that
concerning
Carolina
a
service
we
provide
when
someone's
conserving
their
land
with
us.
We
have
some
resources
to
help
landowners
and
that's
available
to
the
harrises
as
well.
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J
Are
a
lot
of
Cascades,
though
in
sand
Branch?
So
we're
not
sure
if
it
makes
it
all
all
the
way
up
to
the
Harris
property
because
of
those
because
of
those
dramatic
Cascades
in
sand
branch
and
then,
like
I,
pointed
out
earlier,
we
have
French
Montana
keeps
and
we
had
a
spray
Cliff
community
on
Sam
Brad,
water
quality
protection.
J
50
of
the
project
lies
within
300
feet
of
surface
water,
so
we're
protecting
through
this
project
and
because
the
harrises
are
sacrificing
their
commercial
forestry
rights.
We're
protecting
those
critical
Headwater
streams
here
and,
as
you
see,
2
175
few
streams,
at
least
flowing
into
sand
branch,
which
is
a
Class
C,
trout,
water,
I,
wanna
jump
into,
though
just
show
you
the
photographs
to
and
then
take
questions.
J
J
F
J
J
And
this
is
a
winter
shot,
I
hope
you're,
seeing
it
in
addition
to
those
dramatic
cases
you
just
saw,
there
are
long
stretches
in
in
this
on
the
boundary
of
the
conservation,
easement
of
slick
Rock
Cascades,
like
the
one
you're
seeing
here
that
tumble
into
a
deep
pool,
and
then
you
see
down
here
at
the
bottom
of
the
photograph.
Another
slick
Rock
Cascade
starts
I,
don't
need
to
belabor
it.
We
we
think
it's
a
really
good
project.
We've
been
working
at
the
Harris's
since
2016.
G
J
If
on
that,
and
thank
you
for
saying
that
I
meant
to
say
that
earlier
only
Bob
Gail
got
to
see
the
the
property
before
today's
meeting.
Yes,
the
harrises,
the
Conservancy.
We
want
people
to
visit
property.
If
you
want
to
see
this
property,
the
harrises
welcome
you
and
just
to
just
make
contact
with
me
through
Ariel
or
if
you
have
my
email,
just
contact
me
directly
and
we'll
we'll
set
that
up,
but
we
want
anyone
on
lcab
who
wants
to
see
this
project
to
get
out
there.
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J
J
J
J
J
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J
J
Let
me
get
rid
of
this
I'm
gonna
get
rid
of
this
box.
Okay,
James,
David
Barnwell
has
a
life
estate
here
and
the
Harris's
hold
the
remainder
interest.
So
when
Mr
Barnwell
and
it's
it's
termed
a
life
estate,
but
it's
it's
limited
in
terms
of
years.
So
the
measure
the
measurement
of
his
life
estate
is
not
his
life
it's
a
number
of
years,
and
that
number
of
years
is
15
years
when
the
life
of
state
was
retained
by
him,
and
it
has
five
years
to
go
so
in
five
years.
J
They'll
own
it
in
fee,
but
Mr
Barnwell
is
very
supportive.
What
the
Harrisons
are
doing.
So
it's
it's
quite
conceivable
that
he
would
join
in
signing,
indeed,
a
conservation
easement
with
the
harrises
for
future
phase.
Three
right
here,
which
would
take
in
all
of
Sam
Branch.
The
reason
we're
starting
out
with
phase
one
is,
and
let
me
switch.
Let
me
bring
up
the
aerial
real
quick
here,
so
you
can
see.
J
So
what
we
sensed
with
the
application
we
sent
in
Atlanta
Water
fund
and
trying
to
combine
all
three
tracks
into
one
project
was
there
were
too
many
hooks.
It
got
caught
up
in
that
review
process
Atlanta
Water
fund,
because
they
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
this.
So
we
thought
we
would
simplify
it
in
phases.
J
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J
These
Parcels
now
the
gillums
own,
this
big
tract
over
here
to
the
East
and
the
harrises,
have
been
in
talks
with
their
neighbor
for
a
couple
years
now
about
buying
a
large
portion
of
this,
that's
still
in
the
cards,
and
that
would
be
conserved
as
well.
They
have
no
intention
of
developing
it.
You
can
see
that
the
neighbor
has
done
some
extensive
logging
that
happened
in
2021.
C
C
J
And
then
just
want
to
check
my
numbers
here,
so
this
larger
truck
this
larger
track
to
the
South
is
just
over
78
Acres,
we're
probably
going
to
need
to
either
cut
out
if
we
can't
accommodate
these
uses.
So
if
we
just
cut
this
area
out,
that
would
be
subtracting
about
eight
Acres,
so
we'd
end
up
about
65
acres
conserved
here.
J
J
C
All
right,
even
though
we've
talked
about
these
kind
of
future
potential
events,
we
can't
really
wake
that
we
do
want
to
encourage
landowners
who
have
additional
land
to
think
about
that.
But
the
scoring
for
this
project
will
be
on
the
65
acres
presented,
but
it
is
helpful
to
know
how
it
fits
in,
and
so
I
appreciate.
Matt's
question
in
particular
about
this,
and
it
looks
like
water
protection
is
maybe
the
most
significant
contributor
to
Value
here
top.
J
Although
it
has
a
moderate
ranking,
I
mean
this:
is
a
state
designated
Natural
Area.
We
think
that
this
area
is
steady
more
intensively
and
we
think
that
will
happen,
for
example,
through
a
baseline
documentation
report
that
we
would
Commission
with
the
with
funding
from
lcap
there's
a
definite
possibility
of
this
Natural
Area
ranking
could
increase
to
high
or
even
very
high
based
on
what
we're,
based
on
what
we
think
we're
seeing
there.
J
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C
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
tunnel
we've
got
the
materials
we'll
take
a
look
at
those
Ariel
and
Albany.
We
have
scheduled
meeting
next
week
kind
of
thing
yeah
to
actually
handle
our
voting
on
this
particular
one.
So
we'll
be
back
to
you
Tom.
If
anyone
has
any
supplemental
questions
or
really
wants
to
go,
see
the
property
touch
base
with
Tom
and
I'm
sure
they
would
be
happy
to
accommodate
that.
Definitely.
A
J
L
B
B
It
does
touch
Pisgah
national
forest
and
I
noted
on
the
maps
that
I
submitted
with
the
application
that
this
is
a
data
error
where
it
looks
like
there's
actually
a
gap
in
between
the
property
and
Pisgah,
but
it
is
not
an
actual
Gap.
We
have
in
a
previous
survey
that
shows
that
it
does
touch
at
a
point
so
for
context.
Of
course
here
is
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway
coming
up
towards
craggy.
B
So
the
snowball
Mountain
Trail
comes
just
within
a
few
hundred
feet
of
the
property
boundary
on
this
easternmost
tip
and
mcderris
ridge
itself
runs
along
this
long
boundary.
That
kind
of
it's
really
like
two
ridges
and
I've
got
another
map
that
shows
them
better,
but
on
the
North
Boundary
here
it's
within
a
wildlands
network
connectivity
Corridor
in
the
tier
one
Corridor,
and
this
just
shows
some
of
the
other
natural
features.
B
We've
got
an
Audubon
Society
important
bird
area,
which
is
the
pink
birds
layer
over
here
and
then
you
can
see
the
black
cross.
This
is
the
Reems
Creek
Bowl
Natural,
Area
State
designated,
and
then
here's
the
wood
fin,
Watershed
Camp,
Sequoia,
Natural
Area,
that's
nearby
as
well,
and
I
did
a
little
bit
of
historic
research.
I
think
Nancy
probably
knows
more
about
the
history
of
this
area
than
I
do.
B
Sorry,
an
acidic
Glade,
maybe
a
low
elevation,
acidic
blade,
and
these
there's
really
prominent
rock
outcrops
that
are
visible
from
various
other
locations
on
this,
and
it
also
has
four
Headwater
tributaries
that
flow
directly
into
Reems
Creek,
which
is
classified
as
Class
C
and
trout.
Waters,
there's
one
building
area
that
the
landowners
are
going
to
reserve
down
here
at
the
bottom
throughout
the
application,
I
cited
that
it
would
be
up
to
five
acres.
B
The
area
we've
drawn
is
actually
three
and
a
half
acres,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room
for
when
we
actually
get
the
survey
here
out
there.
The
original
idea
had
been
10
acres,
so
we
redrew
it
after
our
site
visit
and
so
something
less
than
five
acres
I
think
is
what
it'll
end
up
being
and
they
do
wish
to
prohibit
commercial
Timber
Harvest.
This
property
is
pretty
steep.
It
hasn't
been
harvested
in
a
while.
B
A
B
Yeah,
so
the
landowners
are
generously
donating
100
of
the
conservation
easement
value
for
this
property,
which
is
pretty
rare,
we're
extremely
grateful.
I
apologize
that
I
didn't
whoops
I
neglected
to
change
the
to
take
out
this
ignore
this
map,
that's
from
Lake,
Eden
I'm,
so
sorry,
but
this
information.
B
B
One
of
the
documentation
documents
that's
required.
We
hired
a
national
level
attorney
to
revise
our
conservation,
easement
template
and
through
that
review,
she
recommended
that
we
start
doing
in
biological
inventories
to
support
our
Baseline
documentation
report.
That
is
not
something
that
we
usually
do
to
that
level
of
specificity.
B
So
the
matching
funds
are
the
land
donation
of
value,
and
then
we
are
going
to
request
from
a
private
philanthropic
donor.
The
portion
of
transaction
costs
not
covered
by
this
grant.
So
this
forty
seven
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
represents
about
8.4
of
the
project
budget,
leveraging
91.6
percent
funds
for
the
project.
K
B
The
conservation
easement
will
require
a
forest
management
plan
if
they
want
to
Imp
in,
do
any
work
on
on
one
acre
or
more
of
the
property.
So,
for
example,
if
they
are
clearing
anything
for
the
home
site
or
if
they're
doing
any
invasive
species
management,
anything
that
requires
over
one
acre
impact
on
the
property
will
require
Forest
management
plan.
If
they
don't
plan
on
doing
any
active
forestry,
then
no
Force
management
plan
would
be
required
and
they're
not
in
present
use
value.
B
B
Not
adjacent
it's
nearby,
so
the
so.
Do
you
see
these
little
triangular?
This
triangular
piece
that
comes
up
off
the
Woodfin
Watershed
here,
yeah
Pam
Sequoia
is
right
in
there,
and
these
triangular
pieces
are
the
conservation
easement
section
of
that
camp,
Sequoia
property
and
okay.
That
was
sort
of
an
unusual
easement.
It
was
one
of
the
rare
instances
where
previous
owner
put
in
their
deed
yeah.
H
H
K
H
Because
because
her
husband's
last
name
was
mcgarris
and
mcgaris
Cove
is
is
very,
is
very
well
known
here
in
Rims
Creek
and
it's
not
with
an
e.
So
just
before
we,
you
know
close
anything,
let's
make
sure
we've
got
the
the
proper
spelling
of
that
of
it,
but
that
property,
if
this
is
a
property
I
think
it
is.
H
B
B
And
I
will
say
too
it's.
It
is
steep.
You
can
see
the
Topo
lines,
but
there's
there's
an
Old
Logging
Road.
That
brings
you
up
to
right
about
here
and
there's
definitely
some
building
sites
up
there.
It
it
lays
once
you
get
up
into
this
area,
there's
sort
of
a
semi-flat
area
where
you
could
definitely
put
you
could
definitely
put
some
homes
as
we
were
going
up.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
few
spots,
so
the
conservation
easement
is
extinguishing
real
valuable.
That's.
A
G
And
I
didn't
drive
off
the
cliff
or
get
stuck,
but
it
is
a
wonderful
piece.
I
think
Sarah
could
checking
me
on
that.
It's
a
beautiful
piece,
the
Allison
Debbie,
are
truly
wonderful
people
who
are
you
know
doing
this.
It's
a
it's
a
big
piece
of
land
that
they
bought
to
conserve.
We
also
had
the
treat
of
going
to
visit
Camp
Sequoia,
which
was
an
amazing
property.
G
B
L
I
had
the
pleasure
to
go
out
there
and
meet
Claus
and
Debbie,
or
we
met
Klaus
that
day
it
was
great
to
see
them
at
the
conservation
dinner,
but
although
the
property
is
really
steep,
that
road
was
manageable,
I
mean
I,
wasn't
driving
the
truck.
I
was
driving
the
Klaus,
but
it's
in
that
road
is
in
good
shape
and
not
eroding
soil
to
you
know
and
they're,
maintaining
it
they
have
a
caretaker,
that's
helping
who
lives
down
the
road
I
believe.
B
C
Are
there
questions
comments,
looks
like
another
good
proposal
here
too
today.
So
that's
great
any
questions
about
this
biological
inventory
as
a
component
of
our
reimbursable
kind
of
cost
structure
and
Michelle
you
or
Thomas.
If
you
believe
that
this
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
new
support
standard
for
credited
agencies,
I
I
think
that's
great
and
helps
butter
our
funding
of
that
inventory.
C
But
if
anybody
has
questions
about
that,
I'd
rather
talk
about
it
now,
yeah
I
I
think
it's
probably
really
appropriate
to
do
that,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
other
input
and
Tom.
If
you
have
any
input
on
what
concerning
Carolina
is
doing
or
thinking
about
in
that
regard,
that
would
be
The
Helpful
as
well.
Dude.
K
I
ask
is,
when
you,
you
know,
obviously,
when
you
get
on
the
ground,
there's
information
that
you
find
that
that
you
might
not
find
elsewhere.
The
maps
that
are
presented,
at
least
for
the
group,
are
showing
flow
lines.
When
you
look
at
the
NC
stream
classifications
map,
it
does
not
show
any
streams
on
that
section
of
property.
A
K
B
K
A
A
J
Very
early
in
our
existence
we
did
baselines
in-house,
but
we
for
decades
now,
literally
decades,
I
could
say
we
hire
an
independent
consultants
and
there
are
three
Consultants
that
we
choose
from
one
of
which
is
equinox
and
Owen
Carson.
So
I
can
confirm
Owen
Carson
of
any
of
the
Consultants
we
work
with
including
course
Equinox
will
almost
water,
including
seeps
Springs,
ephemeral
streams.
J
A
J
We
did
ground
truth
that
water,
so
that's
water,
is
actually
there
also
natural
heritage
program
ground
shoots
that
water
we
use.
In
addition
to
Equinox
we
use
Helia,
which
is
owned
by
Lloyd
Raleigh
who's.
Well,
thought
of
he's
consulted
with
Tim
Sweeney
about
to
speak
Wilderness
years
ago
and
did
great
work
there
and
we,
the
advantage
of
using
Lloyd,
is
he's
also
a
registered
Forester.
F
A
J
J
C
B
C
A
F
Much
to
update
on
we
haven't
closed
any
new
projects
in
the
county
since
our
last
meeting,
but
as
you
can
see,
with
Michelle's
projects,
we've
got
a
lot
going
on
in
the
county.
We've
got
a
lot
of
active
projects
that
this
board
has
supported
or
recommended
to
the
Commissioners
to
support,
so
we're
Trucking
along
I
think
our
at
least
on
my
end.
F
A
J
Located
next
to
Chimney,
Rock,
State,
Park
I
think
that's
the
Forgotten
State
Park
in
Buncombe
County,
but
Junior
state
park
is
in
Southeastern
Buncombe
County
and
we're
working
with
a
prospective
conservation
purchaser.
So
this
is
someone
who's
interested
in
buying
some
land
next
to
the
state
park
and
conserving
it
for
that
purpose
and
I
hope
to
have
more
to
report
on
that
soon
and
then
there's
another
project
off
of
Highway.
Nine
I
think
that
line
owner
has
also
contacted
us
HC
and
they
want
to
receive
proposals
from
both
organizations.
So
I.
J
I
I
To
start
up
on
those
we
yeah
I
guess
over
the
last
month
or
so
we've
you
know,
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
the
the
conservation
dinner
which
went
really
well
last
week
and
yeah
excited
that
that
went
well.
We
have
one
under
our
belt
and
we
can,
you
know,
keep
doing
them
every
year
now.
Hopefully,
if
funding
keeps
you
know
coming
through,
so
yeah
I
will
say
we
had.
I
I
We
do
have
some
black,
the
Land
Trust,
Soil
and
Water.
You
know
need
to
kind
of
get
to
our
landowners,
but
I've
only
heard
positive
things
from
the
community
and
and
AG
Advisory
Board
had
had
very
positive
experience
too.
So
they
were
very
happy
that
they
were,
you
know,
involved
and
invited
to
be
a
part
of
the
event.
So.
I
A
I
I
So
we
basically
are
using
the
lcab
existing
evaluation
system,
some
slight
edits
to
the
ACT
Advisory
Board
system,
but
the
process
will
remain
the
same.
We'll
still
need
to
have
you
know
the
Land
Trust
members
come
present.
Do
a
site
visit,
have
a
boat
and
bring
it
to
the
Commissioners
it'll.
Follow
that
same
you
know,
process
it'll
just
be
you
know.
Now
we
have
access
to
that
big
pot
of
money,
so.
C
M
M
So
a
lot
of
my
work
right
now
is
getting
those
two
components
ready,
but
we
are
excited
that
the
conservation
criteria
were
was
adopted
on
May,
2nd
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
using
bond
funds
for
conservation.
Easements,
and
the
events
will
actually
be
the
first
project
type
to
be
funded
through
the
bond,
which
is
very
big.
A
C
As
we
wrap
up,
we
want
to
thank
Nancy
for
doing
a
great
job
MCN,
the
donor
event,
I
Heard
lots
of
good
things
about
that
I'm.
Sorry,
I
could
not
be
there,
but
I
think
that
event
is
very
important
for
us
to
recognize
those
donors
and
the
people
who
are
doing
the
heavy
lifting
of
taking
value
away
from
their
assets
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
us.
C
C
C
I
We
we
have
enough
to
cover
these
two
requests.
I,
don't
know
the
exact
amount
on
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
know
at
this
afternoon.
If
the
board
approves
these
two
requests,
we
will
have
actually
allocated
over
the
750,
but
we
had
some
role
funds
from
last
fiscal
year.
So
we
have
plenty
to
cover
these
two
requests.
I
mean
we'll,
be
you
know,
we'll
be
close
to
allocating
it
all,
but
yeah
we'll
definitely
have
Alex
over
the
750.
I
and
I
will
say
just
one
little
shout
out.
The
special
meeting
that
Greg
mentioned
is
next
Thursday.
That's
the
25th
at
three
o'clock.
So
we'll
do
we'll,
send
you
know
out
the
zoom
link
to
remind
you
should
only
take
you
know
a
few
minutes
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
another
reminder,
because
you
sent
out
link.
So
you
go
ahead
and
evaluate
these
two
projects,
and
so
we
can
have
them
all
them
all
evaluated.