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Buncombe County Justice Services and the Safety + Justice Challenge Community Engagement Workgroup invite you to watch a presentation & conversation presented by the Vera Institute of Justice and the UNC Collaborative for Maternal & Infant Health.
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E
I
served
in
the
capacity
also
as
the
Justice
Resource
advisory
Council
chair
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
this
very,
very
important
meeting
where
we're
going
to
talk
about
women
right.
The
salt
of
the
earth
very
important
topic,
we're
going
to
talk
about
women
that
have
been
in
contact
and
involved
with
our
justice
system
tonight.
E
This
County
we
desire
for
all
people
to
have
Equitable
access
to
resources
and
services
and
live
a
vibrant
and
thriving
each
lives.
I
want
to
start
by
acknowledging
our
Share
Sheriff,
quick
Miller
he's
not
here
tonight,
but
his
leadership
and
being
transparent
and
allowing
folks
to
enter
into
the
jail
and
have
conversation
is
why
we're
here
today
so
I
want
to
give
him
some
acknowledgment.
E
Buncombe
County
has
been
a
recipient
of
the
MacArthur
foundation's
safety
and
Justice
challenge.
Since
2018.,
we've
used
those
dollars
from
the
foundation
to
increase
equity
and
improve
resources
for
our
Justice
involved.
Folks,
here
in
Buncombe
County
for
this
project,
our
technical
assistance,
Bureau
Institute
of
Justice,
conducted
a
study
on
Justice
involved
women
in
Buncombe
County.
E
We
continue
to
welcome
the
research
and
insight
into
the
growth
and
the
number
of
women
in
our
local
jail.
We
acknowledge
that
there
are
ways
we
can
improve.
There
are
ways
that
we
can
and
we
must
improve
how
we
serve
the
women
in
our
jurisdiction.
I'm
very
excited
to
welcome
our
partners
at
the
Vera
Institute
to
share
more
about
their
study
and
their
findings
and
look
forward
to
working
with
the
local
agencies
and
services
service
providers
to
address
recommendations
at
foreign.
E
We
also
tonight
want
to
welcome
the
University
of
North,
Carolina
collaborative
for
maternal
and
infant
Health,
who
will
share
information
on
the
dignity
for
women
who
are
incarcerated
that
and
related
resources
that
their
team
has
developed
again.
We
are
so
excited
for
this
opportunity
for
information
sharing,
so
welcome
to
those
in
the
room
there's
a
huge,
showing
here
it's
exciting
and
also
those
that
are
joining
us
on
the
web.
E
H
H
All
right,
hi
everyone
as
DK,
welcomed
us
so
kindly
my
name
is
Sarah
donridge
I'm,
a
senior
program
associate
at
the
Vera
Institute
of
justice,
and
this
is
my
colleague
Jen
hi
Jen's,
a
senior
research
associate
with
the
bureau
Institute
of
Justice.
So
we're
really
excited
to
be
here
tonight
chatting
with
all
of
you
about
some
of
our
recent
work.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
the
Vera
Institute
of
justice
is
a
national
non-profit.
We
provide
research
and
work
with
impacted
communities
and
government
leaders.
H
We
are
working
with
Buncombe
County
through
the
MacArthur
Foundation
safety
and
Justice
challenge.
This
challenge
aims
to
also
reduce
gel
incarceration
and
increase
equity
for
all.
Through
this
challenge,
we
started
working
with
Buncombe
County
in
2018
and
then
since
2020,
we
started
working
on
the
specific
women's
project,
so
tonight
we're
going
to
share
findings
from
our
recently
published
report.
We
have
copies
of
the
full
report
in
the
fact
sheet
on
the
table
over
there
and
then
for
those
joining
us
online.
H
You
can
access
the
report
at
the
following
link:
we'll
kick
off
the
presentation
talking
generally
about
women's
incarceration
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
our
study,
what
it
entails
our
findings
and
then
highlight
some
of
the
recommendations,
so
all
right,
after
that
we'll
hand
it
over
to
UNC
and
then
we'll
have
discussion
at
the
end.
So
please
hold
your
questions
as
they
come
up.
You
can
write
them
down
and
we'll
have
some
time
so
before
jumping
in
it's
important.
H
We
understand
who
and
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
these
charts,
the
nearly
2
million
people
who
are
locked
up
in
the
United
States
fall
into
several
categories.
So
we
have
state
and
federal
prisons
where
people
are
convicted
and
serving
sentences
usually
of
a
year
or
longer.
Then
we
have
County
jails
that
make
up
a
third
of
the
total
population.
May
15
people
locally.
H
H
The
fortunate
people
are
also
in
jail
because
they
were
on
pre-trial
supervision
or
probation
and
were
unable
to
comply
with
the
conditions
set
forth
and
their
probation
or
for
pre-trial
officers
said
that
they
couldn't
comply
and
then,
as
a
penalty
puts
on
the
package,
she
has
also
will
people
from
other
counties,
federal
agencies
and
and
docu
State
Department
of
Corrections.
In
addition,
the
pre-trial
to
the
pre-trial
population
in
Buncombe
County,
there's
also
folks
that
are
sentenced
to
that
are
sentenced
to
DUIs
or
misdemeanors.
H
Okay,
so
nationally
we're
seeing
jail,
prison
populations
increasing
dramatically
from
the
1970s
through
the
2000s.
They
then
started
to
remain.
They
then
started
to
level
off
but
remained
one
of
some
of
the
highest
populations
in
the
world
when
measured
per
capita.
Here
we
see
the
trends
for
the
U.S,
highlighting
that
Rural
and
small
to
mid-sized.
Metro
counties
of
which
Buncombe
County
is
one,
have
higher
rates
than
bigger
cities
and
counties.
H
The
Franklin
County
Jail,
which
is
run
by
your
locally
elected
Sheriff,
Quinton
Miller,
as
DK
mentioned
earlier.
He
as
you
can
see
on
the
left
side
of
the
of
the
screen.
The
number
of
people
in
the
Buncombe
Jail
from
1970
to
2021
include,
as
it's
increased
and
then
included
a
drop
off
in
early
2020
with
the
pandemic,
who
goes
in
the
jail
and
how
long
they
stay,
though,
is
due
to
a
range
of
decisions
by
different
agencies
and
people,
including
police
judges
or
magistrates,
prosecutors,
defense,
probation.
H
No
one
person
or
agency
is
responsible
for
the
size
of
the
jail,
but
it
is
the
county
government's
responsibility
to
understand
who's
in
jail,
track,
Trends
and
respond
accordingly,
so
that
folks
are
not
incarcerated.
That
shouldn't
be
so
one
thing
you'll
hear
us
talking
about
today
throughout
the
presentation
is
average
daily
population,
ADP
or
Jail
admissions
admissions
refer
to
people
who
are
booked
into
the
jail
while
ADP
refers
to
the
number
of
people
held
in
jail
on
average,
so
ADP
is
based
on
that
occupancy.
H
For
example,
in
the
slide
you
can
see
that
that
the
ADP
for
women
has
ranged
from
30
to
70,
but
in
2019
alone
there
were
3
200,
individual
bookings
of
women.
So
there's
a
difference
between
men
and
women's
jail.
Incarceration
that
we
want
to
highlight
tonight
and
talk
about
the
number
of
women
incarcerated
nationally
across
the
country
is
growing
at
a
faster
rate
than
any
other
population
under
Correctional
custody
or
supervision.
H
Since
1970,
the
number
of
women
in
jail
Nationwide
has
increased
14-fold
from
under
8
000
to
nearly
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
women
are
now
held
in
almost
every
County
in
the
U.S,
whereas
before
in
1970s,
three
quarters
didn't
hold
a
single
women
woman
in
jail,
specifically
in
Buncombe
County.
As
you
can
see
in
the
chart
on
the
right,
the
women's
population
has
fluctuated
since
2017
within
a
sharp
drop
at
the
beginning
of
2020,
coinciding
with
the
pandemic.
H
H
However,
since
then
the
women's
population
has
increased
and
has
been
in
the
70s
in
recent
months.
As
of
November
27th,
utilizing
Jill's
buncombe's
jail
dashboard,
we
saw
that
the
jail
was
detaining
420
people,
of
whom
69
were
women
or
16.4
percent
of
that
total
population
out
of
those
69
women,
63
or
91
percent,
were
in
pre-trial
detention.
So
this
puts
the
jail
at
around
85
capacity,
which
is
high,
and
that
makes
this
conversation
all
the
more
urgent
tonight.
How
can
we
reduce
that
population
and
ensure
that
women
are
being
served
in
the
community
so.
H
H
In
March
towards
the
summer
of
2020
and
a
lot
of
our
findings
were
impacted
by
the
pandemic
and
we'll
discuss
that
throughout
our
presentation.
So
we
started
in
2020
we
had
conversations
with
County
stakeholders
and
community
service
providers,
County
stakeholders
included
law
enforcement,
pre-trial
support
staff,
district
attorney
staff,
public
defender's
office
staff,
Folks
at
the
jail
reentry
staff,
Community
Supervision,
and
the
Family
Justice
Center.
On
the
community
service
provider
side,
we
spoke
with
Sunrise
project,
Cara,
homeless,
Services,
the
Women's
Recovery
Center
and
RHA
Health
Services.
H
We
asked
questions
about
strengths
and
weaknesses
around
services
for
justice-involved
women
in
Buncombe
County.
In
addition
to
that,
we
analyze
administrative
jail
data,
meaning
data
from
the
internal
jail
database
on
bookings,
graphics
and
releases
from
January
2017
through
April
2021..
We
spoke
with
the
women
virtually
in
September
of
2021.
We
spoke
with
40
women,
which
was
almost
all
women
that
were
incarcerated
at
that
time
via
zoom
and
then
interviewed,
interviewed
20
of
those
to
20
of
those
women
to
learn
more.
H
We
continue
to
meet
and
share
our
findings
with
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
County
stakeholders,
and
then
our
report
was
released
on
November
16
2022.
So
we
are
excited
to
continue
to
work
with
Buncombe
County
through
the
MacArthur
Foundation
safety
and
Justice
challenge
as
the
county
decides,
or
chooses
to
implement
the
recommendations
that
are
set
forth
in
the
report
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Jen.
H
Just
one
last
thing:
I
want
to
share
is
that
our
findings
are
responsive
to
the
women
that
we
spoke
with
and
to
the
data
that
we
reviewed,
but
if
implemented,
the
recommendations
in
this
report
could
impact
the
jail
for
all
people
and
that's
a
really
important
point
that
we'd
like
to
highlight
there.
So
I'll
pass
it
over
to
Jen
to
share
some
of
our
findings.
J
J
So
this
slide
here
just
shows
a
few
highlighting
a
few
key
points
about
information.
From
the
admit
when
we
say
administrative
data,
we
need
the
overall
jail
records
from
the
four-year
period,
so,
first
of
all,
black
women
are
overrepresented
in
the
jail
making
up
about
14
of
the
women
incarcerated
compared
to
about
six
percent
of
the
general
population
of
women
in
the
county.
Secondly,.
J
Charges
common
charges
included,
misdemeanor,
Larson,
larceny,
driving
with
a
suspended
license,
drug
possession
or
paraphernalia
possession,
and
some
charges
were
more
serious.
Like
DUI,
the
average
length
of
State
for
a
woman
in
on
pre-trial
supervision
release
over
this
period
was
19
days
and
in
on
a
felony
probation
violation
was
20
days.
Almost
all
of
the
women
are
detained
at
the
time.
C
J
A
mental
illness
by
a
medical
provider,
more
than
nine
out
of
ten,
had
experienced
at
least
one
form
of
victimization,
including
being
a
victim
of
crime
or
of
abuse.
Four
out
of
10
reported
being
a
homeless
prior
to
admission
to
the
jail.
Nearly
half
said
that
they
were
unemployed
before
admission
to
the
jail
and
about
one
in
three
reported,
having
been
in
the
jail
seven
or
more
times
over
her
lifetime
and
again.
This
is
these
are
patterns
that
we
see
across
the
country.
J
This
is
not
unique
to
this
County,
but
just
to
underscore
that
this
is
a
population
of
people
who
have
a
lot
of
struggles
in
their
lives,
so
we're
going
to
cover
six
themes
tonight,
showing
a
few
key
points.
Not
all
of
the
information
is
in
the
presentation
you
can
read
more
in
the
report,
but
basically
the
themes
that
emerged
from
the
report
are
the
criminalization
of
poverty.
J
Generally,
the
use
of
money
by
all
the
patterns
related
to
Community,
Supervision,
probation,
parole
and
free
trial,
substance,
use
issues,
jail
conditions
and
costs,
and
inter-agency
coordination
and
communication
and
again
there'll,
be
a
chance
for
questions
at
the
end
of
a
presentation.
But
please
make
note,
says
you're
going
through
and
if
you
have
just
a
clarification
question
as
I'm
talking,
you
can
feel
free
to
just
vocalize
that
so,
first
of
all
on
the
criminalization
of
poverty.
J
The
big
theme
Here
inhibits
the
numbers
and
the
graphs
is
that,
according
to
the
participants
in
the
study,
poverty
and
homelessness
are
at
the
root
of
people's
initial
exposure
to
the
criminal
legal
system.
And
then,
after
entering
the
system,
fines
and
fees
tend
to
pile
up.
People
have
their
employment
and
their
housing
disrupted
because
of
detention,
and
then
a
cycle
of
poverty,
criminalization
and
incarceration
starts
to
compound.
So
this
table
shows
the
top
charges
with
the
highest
number
of
admissions
in
2020.
So
we
do
see
some
more
serious
charges
like
assault
and
DUI.
J
We
also
heard
quite
a
bit
about
people's
perception
that
police
in
the
county
are
or
people
feel
that
they
are
giving
disproportionate
attention
to
communities
and
groups
of
people
where
poverty
and
homelessness
are
more
prevalent.
So,
for
example,
one
participant
said
on
this
topic:
they
referring
to
the
police
are
in
the
projects
a
lot.
It's
not
necessarily
the
projects
or
the
drugs.
Are,
you
know
that's
everywhere,
but
I
think
they
pick
at
that
more.
They
used
to
stop
you.
J
So,
as
we
know,
too
often,
jails
become
the
local
default
institution
that
people
encounter
in
a
crisis
and
jails
are
neither
meant
to
solve
these
situations,
nor
do
they
have
the
resources
or
capacity
to
resolve
complex
social
issues.
What
is
needed
instead
is
supported
healing
supportive
healing
services
that
attempt
to
address
the
underlying
challenges
that
people
have
without
using
punishment
or
confinement
as
the
Primary
Response.
This
is
especially
important
for
women.
J
J
Triage
centers
alternatives
to
9-1-1
response
for
people
experiencing
mental
health
crises
and
ensuring
that
these
are
available
on
short
notice
and
around
the
clock,
because
one
of
the
reasons
that
people
end
up
with
initial
police
and
jail
contact
us
at
that
in
many
communities
is
the
most
available
responsive
service
on
the
24
7
basis,
and
there
can
be
Alternatives,
but
they
need
to
be
able
to
respond
in
the
same
way.
This,
of
course,
requires
coordination
across
systems
with
with
multiple
agencies
in
the
county.
J
Another
point
is
that
police
leadership,
locally
or
local
leaders
in
government,
in
cooperation
with
police,
can
make
choices
about
how
to
deploy
the
resources
of
law
enforcement
and
can
choose
to
focus
resources
of
policing
on
more
serious
situations,
rather
than
on
situations
that
are
related
to
people
living
in
public
spaces
or
dealing
with
substance
use.
So
there
can
be
directives
in
the
county,
for
example,
not
to
enforce
drug
possession
laws
through
arrest
and
instead
to
refer
people
to
local
services.
J
So,
moving
to
the
next
topic,
we're
going
to
talk
about
bail
just
to
review
the
basics.
Some
people
in
this
room
might
know
this
already,
but
just
to
get
us
all.
On
the
same
page
bail
refers
to
pre-tra
a
component
of
pre-trial
release,
so
in
the
pre-trial
stage
a
person
can
be
released
with
different.
J
Overcome
the
risks
that
the
person
might
not
appear
at
their
next
hearing
or
that
the
person
might
cause
harm
to
themselves
or
to
the
public
during
their
release,
so
we're
going
to
talk
here
about
the
financial
conditions
of
release,
which
we
normally
call
bail
or
Bond
money
Bill.
So
a
person
can
also
be
released
with
non-financial
conditions
which
you
might
have
heard
of,
one
of
which
is
obviously
you
have
to.
If
you're
in
court,
they
can
also
include
attending
certain
programs
having
check-ins
wearing
an
ankle,
monitor
Etc
in
North
Carolina.
J
This
is
called
a
written
promise
to
appear
so,
as
you
can
see
on
this
graph,
once
a
person
is
arrested,
charged
and
booked
into
a
jail.
Usually
there
is
a
hearing
at
which
a
money
fail
amount
may
be
set.
This
might
happen
a
couple
days
after
the
arrest.
So
if
the
judge
denies
the
defendant
bail,
the
person
normally
stays
in
the
jail
until
they're
plea
or
their
child.
This
tends
to
be
very
rare
for
more
serious
charges.
J
So
what
this
basically
means
is
that
people
who
can
pay
bail
are
released,
but
people
who
can't
remain
in
jail
even
if
they
are
facing
the
same
charges
and
have
a
similar
assessed
risk.
So
not
because
people
are
not
sitting
in
jail
under
bail
because
they
are
a
danger
to
the
public
necessarily
and
one
just
technical
term.
Is
that
secured
bail
means
that
you
have
to
put
up
some
or
all
of
the
money
up
front,
whereas
unsecured
bail
means
that
you
don't
put
up
money
up
front,
but
you
wouldn't
have
to
pay
that
amount.
J
If
you
don't,
if
you're
at
your
next
hearing
or
any
other
conditions,
the
last
option
in
this
pathway
is
non-financial
release,
which
means
not
having
to
pay
money
released
back
into
the
community
and
show
up
for
the
next
hearing
and
then,
of
course,
sometimes
other
conditions
around
housing
or
not
contacting
certain
people
are
included
there.
So
this
is
supposed
to
be
the
most
common
pathway
that
generally
the
the
idea
is
that
people
are
supposed
to
be
released
back
into
the
community
and
that
detention
in
jail
is
a
last
resort.
J
Research
has
consistently
shown
that
when
a
person
is
detained
pre-trial,
they
generally
have
worse
outcomes
in
their
case,
in
terms
of
more
likely
to
plead
guilty,
more
likely
to
be
convicted
and
more
likely
to
have
a
longer
sentence
than
a
person
facing
the
same
charge,
who
was
released,
pre-trial
either
with
or
without
Financial
conditions.
Additionally,
as
I
think,
most
people
know
pre-trial
detention
really
disrupts
people's
daily
lives
in
terms
of
their
family,
housing
and
job
situation,
as
well
as
these
effects
on
due
process
and
Justice,
and
these
effects
disproportionately
fall
on
lower
income
people.
J
It
was
not
possible
at
that
time
to
connect
that
to
specific
Court
data,
so
some
amount
of
details
are
missing
here
but,
broadly
speaking,
we
also
asked
women
in
the
study
the
40
women
we
talked
to
about
their
bail
situation,
so
the
majority
of
the
women
that
we
spoke
with
had
had
bail
set
and
were
unable
to
pay
it.
Obviously
we
were
talking
to
people
who
were.
J
J
Three
percent
of
women
said
that
they
had
been
under
pre-trial
supervision.
Generally
speaking,
we
see
that
the
average
bail
amount
in
the
administrative
data
has
been
increasing,
so
we
saw
that
first
of
all,
that
secured
bail
is
being
set
more
often
in
2020.
According
to
the
data
we
had,
64
of
bookings
had
secured,
fails
at
compared
to
56
percent
of
bookings
a
year
prior
and
high
bail
amounts,
which,
for
example,
over
ten
thousand
dollars,
are
not
necessarily
limited
to
more
severe
charges.
J
So
there's
a
few
quotes
here
about
people's
experiences
with
bail
again
I'll
just
read
one
one
woman
said
I've
had
a
couple
times
where
it's
been
like
literally
my
bond
was
100
and
some
note
bonds.
Someone
has
to
come
up
with
100
and
in
my
life
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
who
most
of
them
are
struggling.
Most
of
them.
Don't
have
a
hundred
dollars
to
be
able
to
do
that.
J
So
one
point
we
want
to
underscore
here,
especially
for
people
in
the
room
who
maybe
haven't
had
the
experience
of
a
family
member
in
the
justice
system,
is
that
it's
possible
that
a
court
official
might
think
that
a
hundred
dollars
is
a
low
amount
of
bail
or
a
member
of
the
public
might
think
that,
but
for
a
lot
of
people,
a
hundred
dollars
might
as
well
be
ten
thousand
dollars.
It's
not
something
they
have
access
to.
J
There
were
a
lot
of
Novel
things
that
happened
during
the
pandemic
on
a
sort
of
temporary
or
emergency
basis
and
the
things
that
went
pretty
well.
We
want
to
suggest
that
these
could
be
made
the
new
normal
and
be
codified
and
formalized
as
the
way
to
proceed
going
forward.
So,
for
example,
the
county
could
codify
and
expand
on
the
pre-trial
release,
practices
that
happened
during
covid,
specifically
greater
use
of
unsecured
bails,
and
that
means
not
having
to
put
money
up
up
front
and
using
more
use
of
Warrant
Grace
periods.
J
J
So,
shifting
to
the
next
topic,
which
is
community
supervision,
this
here
refers
to
pre-trial
supervision,
as
well
as
to
accommodation
and
parole
supervision,
and
all
of
these
are
Pathways
back
into
the
local
jail.
Sometimes,
probation
is
given
as
an
alternative
to
a
jail
or
prison
sentence,
and
sometimes
it's
part
of
the
sentence,
whereas
parole
is
typically
after
someone
has
served
a
prison
sentence.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
these
violations
tend
to
they're
a
lesser
portion
of
bookings,
but
people
stay
for
longer
when
they're,
in
on
the
violation,
as
opposed
to
a
free
trial
charge.
J
J
So
when
we
ask
people
about
their
experience
of
being
on
Community
Supervision
how
that
was
for
them,
the
women
again
said
that
the
hardest
conditions
to
comply
with
were
first
the
restrictions
on
the
kinds
of
housing
that
they
need
to
stay
in,
so
that
might
be
having
stable
housing
being
in
housing
that
other
people
with
criminal
records
are
not
also
resident
ad.
There's
a
few
different
variations
and
also
meeting
drug
tests
of
the
people
on
probation.
J
Half
of
them
also
said
that
paying
fees
or
debts
was
the
most
difficult
condition
to
meet
and
that
drug
testing
was
also
a
difficult
condition.
So
we
heard
about
the
challenges
around
having
to
pay
the
fees
associated
with
being
on
probation
and
women
talked
about
when
they
have
these
fees,
which
add
up
every
month.
It's
looking
at
grocery
Bills
versus
information
fees,
and
this
is
a
tough
situation
to
be
in.
J
We
also
heard
from
women
that
sometimes
the
enforcement
of
probation
conditions
was
quite
punitive
and
they
felt
that
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
credit
given
for
having
met
a
lot
of
things
and
then
sort
of
one
slip
up.
Can
LED
you
back
in
jail
pretty
quickly
with
minor
mistakes.
Of
course
this
varies
a
lot
by
discretion
of
different
officers
and
judges,
but
we
did
hear
about
it.
K
J
J
So
the
recommendations
that
we
want
to
highlight
in
this
topic-
there's
three
of
them
listed
here-
I'll
just
talk
about
the
second
one
in
red,
which
is
to
Institute
a
formal
policy
for
reducing
the
length
of
time
on
supervision
and
or
for
goal
based
rather
than
time-based
termination
approaches,
and
we
know
that
some
of
this
involves
the
state
law.
There
are
statutory
considerations,
but
there
is
also
a
role
for
the
county
to
play
here.
So,
first
of
all
and
there's
research
out
there
on
this
early
termination
rewards
compliance.
J
So
you
give
people
a
positive
goal
to
work
towards
whether
and
then
they
will
have
the
benefit
of
having
less
time
on
probation.
So
this
shifts
the
incentive
structure
in
favor
of
Compliance
goal-based
Probation
ties
the
end
date
of
the
probation
to
meeting
whatever
the
goals
are
that
are
agreed
by
the
court
actors
involved.
J
So
this,
of
course
requires
buy-in
from
the
Judiciary,
as
well
as
from
the
probation
and
pre-trial
supervision
agencies
from
prosecutors
and
defense
attorneys
and
to
some
extent
there
are,
like
I,
said,
State
components
involved.
So
this
is
a
complex
thing
to
implement,
but
it
has
been
done
in
other
parts
of
the
country
and
it's
been
shown
to
be
effective
and
given
the
prominence
of
the
community
supervision
component
in
the
situation
of
women
in
the
jail,
we
would
say
that
it's
worth
giving
it
a
shot.
F
H
F
H
Going
to
take
us
through
the
next
three
and
then
get
us
through
the
closing
here,
so
our
next
topic,
we're
going
to
cover,
is
substance.
Use
overall,
we've
seen
that
drug-related
charges
are
increasingly
common
for
women
being
booked
into
the
jail
and
why
they're
staying
longer
compared
to
other
chart
groups
from
January
2017
to
April
2021,
the
percentage
of
bookings
with
a
drug
violation
as
the
top
charge,
meaning
the
most
serious
charge
increased
from
10
to
19
when
the
top
charge
is
is
drug
related
meth
possession
is
the
most
common
specific
charge.
H
So
recalling
from
the
beginning,
some
of
those
survey
and
interview
stats
that
we
had
all
but
one
out
of
the
40
women
that
we
spoke
with,
had
experienced
substance
dependency
in
her
life
of
those
40
women,
three
quarters
had
used
meth,
so
women
are
struggling
with
the
physical
and
psychological
challenges
related
to
substance
use
and
expecting
that
detox
or
full
abstinence
will
fix.
This
is
not
fully
realistic,
while
the
Buncombe
County
Jail
has
a
well-respected
medication.
Assisted
treatment
program
for
math
research
shows
that
receiving
treatment
in
the
community
is
better
for
folks
than
in
detention.
H
That
is
effective
for
people
to
use
opioids,
but
not
as
relevant
for
all
other
substances
further.
Something
else
that
we
heard-
and
we
want
to
underscore
here,
is
that
if
you
start
treatment
in
the
jail
or
you
start
it
in
the
community
and
then
you
end
up
entering
jail
or
exiting
jail,
while
treatment
is
happening,
that
continuity
of
care
losing,
that
is
really
challenging
for
people.
H
So
a
quote
here
that
we
want
to
we
want
to
highlight.
Is
that
one
woman?
She
says
it
feels
like
you
have
to
go
to
jail
in
order
to
get
the
right
Services.
You
need
to
get
that
type
of
help,
because
if
you
do
it
and
just
walk
in
they
kind
of
like
dangle
you
along
and
stuff,
like
that,
it
feels
like
once
you
go
to
the
hospital
and
try
and
get
substance,
help
we'll
take
my
phone
and
all
my
rights
away
from
me.
So
this
shows
kind
of
some
of
that
stigma
there.
H
It's
the
fear
of
going
and
just
trying
to
get
help
or
going
to
try
and
get
help
and
then
ending
up.
You
know
having
being
penalized
for
that,
and
you
know
we
heard
that
from
a
lot
of
the
women.
So
one
of
the
recommendations
here
that
we
want
to
highlight
out
of
the
four
that
we
recommended
is
expanding
access
to
capacity
of
an
eligibility
criteria
for
treatment
in
the
community,
especially
inpatient
for
low
and
no
cost
options.
So
this
is
an
area
or
a
recommendation
that
would
likely
require
some
funding
for
service
providers.
H
We
would
need
service
providers
to
come
together,
look
at
the
needs
and
gaps
for
women
here
locally,
especially
as
it
relates
to
eligibility
and
accessibility.
Some
programs
may
not
allow
women
to
attend
if
they
have
previously
attended
and
maybe
relapsed
or
dropped
out,
and
some
programs
in
the
community
may
have
availability,
but
they
might
have
a
fee
with
it
associated
with
it.
H
That's
not
attainable
for
folks,
so
it's
important
that
success
in
these
treatment
programs
are
focused
on
increased
stability,
increased
social
bonds
and
health,
rather
than
total
abstinence
from
the
substance,
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
jail
conditions
and
costs
one
of
the
Hot
Topic
areas.
So
this
is
one
of
the
areas
that
was
definitely
impacted
by
covet,
so
we
want
to
underscore
you
know.
We
spoke
with
the
women
in
September
of
2021
and
what
we
heard
from
them.
A
lot
of
it
was
impacted
by
covid.
H
So,
for
example,
some
things
like
almost
total
isolation,
was
a
covid
protocol
that
the
jail
had
his
place
to
mitigate
the
spread
of
the
virus.
We
realize
in
many
ways
that
this
was
a
crucial
thing
that
that
had
to
happen
or
that
the
jail
chose
to
have
to
happen
to
mitigate
the
virus,
but
it
seems
insufficient
attention
was
given
to
women's
mental
health
and
the
effect
on
their
mental
health.
So.
H
Out
of
their
cells
for
15
to
30
minutes
once
every
three
days
and
then
with
those
15
to
30
minutes
had
to
decide
we're
going
to
shower,
am
I
going
to
go
to
commissary
got
things
that
I
need,
am
I,
going
to
try
and
call
my
lawyer
try
and
call
my
loved
ones.
It
was
essentially
solitary
confinement
and
research
shows
the
psychological
Health
consequences
of
a
solitary
confinement,
especially
for
people
who
have
pre-existing
mental
health
conditions
which,
as
you
may
recall,
from
the
opening
slides
of
several
of
the
women
dead.
H
The
cost
of
being
in
detention
can
also
quickly
add
up
with
various
items
that
women
have
to
purchase,
and
women
in
the
study
reported
not
having
many
or
any
resources
to
begin
with.
So
again,
this
was
in
September
of
2021
what
we
heard
from
the
women.
So
during
that
time
they
told
us
they
had
to
spend
two
dollars
for
an
Indigent
hygiene
kit,
which
is
specifically
for
people
who
do
not
have
funds
women
reported
they
had
to
buy
menstrual
products
and
or
did
not
get
enough
free
ones.
H
Women
reported
paying
twenty
dollars
for
a
medical
visit
and
then
additional
fees
for
phone
calls
and
video
calls
with
loved
one
mind
you,
prior
to
the
pandemic.
These
there
were
not.
There
wasn't
a
fee
to
visit
with
someone
in
person,
so
that
was
a
new
cost
that
women
had
to
accrue
so
I'll
give
an
update
on
costs
in
an
upcoming
slide,
but
I
first
want
to
highlight
a
quote.
H
So
one
woman
she
said
in
regards
to
contacting
family
trying
to
stay
in
touch
with
family,
given
the
cost
you
can't
afford
stuff
like
that,
but
you
want
to
talk
to
family.
So
again,
this
is
just
the
hardship
you're
in
isolation.
At
that
time
they
were
in
isolation,
then
they
weren't
able
to
potentially
call
their
family.
They
didn't
have
money
or
the
time
to
so.
It's.
C
H
Know
we
heard
this
a
lot
from
a
lot
of
the
women,
so
you
know
the
recommendation.
I
think
that
we
want
to
highlight
here
is
to
ensure
that
medical
visits
phone
calls.
Video
calls.
Virtual
programming
are
free
to
incarcerated
women.
Implementation
of
this
requires
jail
leadership
to
waive
fees
and
negotiate
contracts.
Accordingly,
after
hearing
from
the
women
last
fall,
Vera
spoke
with
the
captain
and
the
sheriff
at
the
jail,
and
from
that
call
it
was
determined
that
the
Indigent
hygiene
kits
would
be
eliminated.
That
fee
would
be
eliminated,
so
it
would
be
entirely
free.
H
According
to
the
Sheriff's
Office,
the
medical
fee
was
waived
during
the
height
of
the
covet
pandemic
and
has
since
been
reduced
to
ten
dollars.
However,
in
September
of
this
year,
I
did
visit
the
jail
and
we
saw
flyers
on
the
housing
unit,
stating
the
outdated
medical
fee
of
twenty
dollars.
Captain
Latrell
and
either
others
at
the
jail
were
very
quick
to
take
that
down
and
realize
that
it
needed
to
be
updated.
A
H
H
So
the
last
topic
area
here
that
we're
going
to
get
into
is
interagency
coordination
and
communication.
The
top
issue
that
we
heard
in
terms
of
information
and
communication
from
the
women
is
that
they
didn't
know
the
basics
of
their
case
or
what
to
expect
next.
This
left
them
feeling
scared,
powerless,
uncertain,
afraid
most
women
didn't
know
when
their
next
court
hearing
was
and
several
didn't
know
what
why
they
were
in
jail
to
begin
with
women
surveyed
really
a
third
set.
They
waited
more
than
eight
days
for
their
first
hearing
after
arrest.
H
37
said
they
didn't
have
a
lawyer
present
at
their
hearing
and
of
those
that
did
have
a
their
lawyer
present
at
the
video
hearing.
They
weren't
able
to
confer
with
them
confidentially
because
of
the
video
setup.
Another
big
issue
that
we
heard
was
interagency,
Mix-Ups
or
slow
Communications.
We
heard
from
women
that
they
were,
they
missed
court
dates
or
were
given
failure
to
appear
charges
because
they
were
being
held
in
another
jail
in
another
County
or
they
had
recently
come
over
to
the
Buncombe
County
jail
and
were
in
that
quarantine
that
coveted
quarantine.
H
So
you
know
we
we
want
to
and
I'll
say
this
a
few
more
times,
but
it's
just
communication
is
so
important.
You
can't
understand-
or
you
don't
know
it's
hard
to
to
know
what
to
expect,
how
to
prepare,
how
to
be
ready
for
what's
coming
in
your
case,
so
they,
the
quote
that
I
want
to
highlight
here
is
I
mean
a
lot
of
these
people.
H
They
have
their
families
going
to
those
court
dates
to
show
support
and
because
because
my
court
date
was
actually
supposed
to
be
for
today,
my
mother,
she
took
off
work
and
everything.
My
boyfriend
took
off
work
they're
all
supposed
to
go
to
my
court
date,
but
it
wasn't
today.
It
was
17
days
earlier
and
I
think
this
just
shows.
You
know
making
sure
that
your
the
women
know
their
families
know
people
understand
what's
happening
because
it's
it's
a
heart.
H
It's
hard
right,
so
the
recommendation
we
want
to
highlight
here
is
to
no
surprise
to
ensure
that
women
and
all
people
held
in
jail
receive
frequent
and
clear
communication
about
their
cases.
It's
important
that
jail
staff
and
attorneys
work
together
to
provide
opportunities
for
women
to
easily
access
their
lawyers
and
information
about
their
cases,
regardless
of
covet
or
virus
mitigation
strategies.
Vera
recommends
that
officers
on
the
housing
unit
proactively
provide
women
with
information
about
their
case
and
also
provide
publicly
available
information
upon
request.
H
So,
for
example,
the
jail
is
working
to
provide
access
to
buncombe's
court
notification
system
on
the
housing
unit
tablets.
So
with
this,
a
woman
or
a
person
incarcerated
could
look
up
their
names
and
see
when
their
upcoming
court
date
is
for
people
that
aren't
incarcerated.
You
can
use
this
to
see
when
you're
upcoming
Court
data
is
but
also
sign
up
for
notification
messages
leading
up
to
your
court
date,
so
you
can
be
reminded.
So
you
know
again
it's
just
it's
communication.
H
We
don't
doubt
that
some
of
these
things
were
not
communicating
to
them,
but
they
may
not
have
heard
it.
You
know
coming
into
jail
whether
you're,
detoxing
or
something's,
going
on
you're,
normally
in
some
sort
of
Crisis,
and
to
be
able
to
absorb
that
information
of
why
you're
there
what's
happening
next,
it's
hard
at
that
time,
and
that
ongoing
and
open
communication
is
really
important.
H
So
in
closing
in
Buncombe
County,
we
found
from
our
study
that
there
is
excessive
use
of
police,
jail,
detention
and
Community
Supervision
for
low-level
charges
that
do
not
risk
Public,
Safety,
so
growing
incarcerated
women's
population
here
in
Buncombe
is
reflected
of
a
nationwide
Trend,
but
it's
not
inevitable
or
impossible
to
solve.
Many
of
the
recommendations
in
our
were
implemented
can
impact
the
population
for
all
people,
and
many
of
the
recommendations
are
squarely
within
the
purview
of
County
leadership
and
local
agencies.
H
A
D
D
Foreign,
so
I
want
to
talk
with
you
about
the
dignity
for
women
who
are
incarcerated
act.
It
was
enacted
in
December
of
2021,
so
it
actually
was
enacted
after
Vera
did
their
work
here
in
the
Butler
County
jail.
So
some
of
the
things
that
are
included
in
this
law
were
not
yet
in
place
at
that
time,
so
it
enhances
the
care
provided
to
incarcerated
pregnant
people
and
also
all
women
that
are
incarcerated.
There's
a
few
things
that
apply
to
all
women.
It
applies
to
all
jails
and
prisons
in
North
Carolina.
D
The
full
text
of
the
dignity
act
can
be
found
on
a
website
that
we
created
called
incarceratedwomenshealth.org
and
it
can
also
be
found.
A
number
of
different
places
includes
in
North
Carolina
General
Assembly
website,
so
just
to
give
you
a
few
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
jumped
down,
there's
a
few
Provisions
that
apply
to
all
females.
So
the
first
of
those
is
that,
to
the
extent
practical
male
employees
shall
not
perform
inspections
of
undressed
female
incarcerated
persons.
D
If
a
female
employee
is
available
in
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
and
for
every
place
that
you
see
an
asterisk
there's,
there
are
some
exceptions
in
place
for
like
Safety
and
Security,
but
anytime,
one
of
those
exceptions
is
made.
There
has
to
be
documentation
of
the
exception
and
it
has
to
be
provided
within
five
days
to
either
the
jail
administrator
or
the
sheriff.
D
D
So
there's
a
Prohibition
on
restraints,
which
applies
to
the
second
and
third
time,
trimester
of
pregnancy
through
six
weeks,
postpartum
so
around
12
weeks
through
the
six
weeks
postpartum-
and
it
prohibits
the
use
of
you-
know
all
the
different
types
of
restraints
and
again
exceptions
can
be
made
for
Safety
and
Security.
But
that
has
to
be
documented
and
then
wrist
restraints
can
be
held
in
front
of
the
body.
D
During
transport
so
like,
when
folks
are
going
to
appointments
between
facilities,
those
can
be
used
at
that
time,
but
restraints
are
never
allowed
during
labor
or
suspected
labor,
and
so
those
really
we
there
were
some
instances
prior
to
this
law
being
in
place,
not
in
this
County
but
elsewhere.
Where
women
were
coming
in
in
labor
in
shackles,
you
know
not
being
able
to
receive
proper
medical
care
because
they
weren't,
you
know
quickly
able
to
get
that.
D
So
the
other.
The
next
piece
is
body.
Cavity
searches
are
prohibited
anytime
during
pregnancy
through
six
weeks,
postpartum
and
there's
obvious
concerns
about
like
infection
and
other
things
that
can
be
introduced
during
the
pregnancy
that
can
be
dangerous
or
harmful
and
in
the
rare
instances
again
when
there's
a
suspicion
of
Contraband
again,
that
would
have
to
be
documented.
But
in
those
cases
it
would
have
to
be
a
qualified
medical
person.
That's
doing
that
exam
if
it's
deemed
necessary.
D
There's
also
a
provision
for
a
bonding
period
after
a
woman
delivers.
So
if
she's
in
the
hospital
and
has
her
baby,
she
should
be
allowed
to
have
the
baby
in
the
room
with
her
barring
any
kind
of
health
or
safety
risk.
And
so
you
know
it
can
be
really
helpful.
Even
some
women
don't
want
to
have
to
be
with
them
and
that's
perfectly
okay,
too.
There's
no
requirement,
but
you
know
if
that's
something
that
they
want,
it
can
be.
D
So
the
following
must
be
provided
to
incarcerated
people
during
pregnancy,
again
starting
from
the
beginning
of
pregnancy,
through
the
six
weeks
postpartum
period,
so
their
prenatal,
labor
and
delivery
care
must
be
provided
at
no
cost.
So
the
Vera
folks
had
talked
about
the
medical
co-pays
that
that
exist
in
the
in
the
GL
and
there
should
be
no
co-pays
whatsoever
for
any
care.
D
And
there's
a
couple
of
provisions
of
restrictive
housing
is
prohibited
at
any
time
during
pregnancy
through
the
six
weeks
postpartum
period,
and
you
can
understand
how
that
could
be
really
kind
of
difficult
with
covet
and
all
the
other
restrictions
that
they
mentioned
have
come
into
play.
But
there
should
be
no
use
of
solitary
for
pregnant
folks
and
that
they
should
be
in
beds
that
are
no
higher
than
three
feet
before
so
they
shouldn't
be
expected
to
come
up
to.
You
know
like
the
top
book.
Thank
you.
D
So
those
are
sort
of
the
basics
of
the
law
and
just
a
few
sort
of
systemic
issues
that
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
because
a
lot
of
times
people
sort
of
bring
these
things
up.
But
there
was
no
funding
for
implementation
of
the
dignity
act,
surprised
the
prize
in
North
Carolina.
But
this
is
not.
You
know.
D
This
is
something
that's
left
to
the
local
sheriffs
into
the
prison
to
to
do
on
their
own
and
their
staff
shortages
in
all
jail
and
prison
settings,
which
makes
some
of
these
things
more
difficult
to
implement
most
jail.
Health
is
provided
through
private
contractors,
so
in
most
counties
they
don't
have
Healthcare
provided
through
like
that
County
Health
Department.
D
There
might
be
some
Partnerships
with
the
health
department,
but
most
of
it
is
provided
through
private
contractors,
and
so
what
that
private
contractor
actually
will
be
Pro
will
be
willing
to
provide,
is
determined
by
whatever
they
contracted.
With
the
you
know,
the
county
so
what's
required
by
the
law
and,
what's
actually
in
a
contract,
may
or
may
not
match
and
a
lot
of
times.
D
Those
folks
don't
have
necessary
necessarily
any
kind
of
Maternal,
Child,
Health
experience,
and
so,
if
they're
just
used
to
seeing
adult
males,
which
is
the
vast
majority
of
you,
know
folks
that
are
in
prison.
If
they
see
a
pregnant
person
where
they're
really
elevated
blood
pressure,
they
may
or
may
not
recognize
that
as
an
emergency,
because
that's
not
something
they're
used
to
seeing
and
if
it
was
in
a
male.
It
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
problem.
D
Probably
a
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with
what
that
is,
but
if,
but
in
case
you
aren't
that's
this
practice
of
sending
folks
to
a
higher
level
facility
like
a
prison
if
they
have
medical
needs
that
aren't
being
met
at
their
local
jail
facility,
and
this
is
used
fairly
regularly
for
pregnancy
in
North,
Carolina
I,
don't
know
in
Buncombe
County
what
the
exact
you
know.
Numbers
are
I
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
what
happens
specifically
in
this
County,
but
across
the
state.
D
D
Those
folks
have
not
actually
been
convicted
of
anything
yet
but
they're
sent
to
the
state
prison
because
of
their
pregnancy,
and
sometimes
it's
seen
as
a
protective
thing,
and
so
this
this
can
actually
lead
to,
of
course,
greater
harms,
because
if
someone
is
in
state
prison
and
they
hope
they're,
you
know
sort
of
just
awaiting
their
court
date-
that's
problematic
on
so
many
levels,
and
it
can
also
delay
their
case
resolution.
It
can
cause
separation
from
their
family,
especially
for
folks
that
are,
you
know
farther
out
from
Raleigh
and
there's.
A
D
Is
really
time
sensitive
and
in
pregnancy?
This
is
particularly
of
concern,
because
if
a
woman
is
withdrawn,
while
she's
pregnant,
it
can
cause
harm
to
her
end
of
the
pregnancy,
and
so,
if
there's
any
sort
of
delay
in
between
you
know
different
facilities
or
if
she's
arrested
and
she's
not
connected
with
that
care
right
away.
It
can
cause
lots
of
problems
and
it
also
increases
her
risk
of
Overdose
upon
release
and
then
there's
the
obvious
issue
of
separation
and
child
welfare
involvement.
D
Since
the
vast
majority
of
women
do
have
child
care
responsibility,
so
I
have
two
items
that
are
really
small:
that
and
then,
after
that,
I'm
going
to
be
done.
So
we
can
have
our
conversation
period,
but
because
I
work
at
the
collaborative
for
maternal
and
infant
health,
I
feel
like
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
just
a
couple
of
things
that
are
broadly
important
to
women
that
are
in
these
carceral
settings,
and
so
just
two
of
those
one
of
them
is
maternal
mortality.
D
So
because
you've
been
paying
attention
to
news
stories
over
the
past
several
years,
you've
probably
heard
that
we
have
a
really
high
rate.
Disproportionately,
so
in
the
United
States
for
of
maternal
mortality
and
we're
at
the
highest,
we
have
the
highest
rates
of
maternal
mortality
in
the
industrialized
world
and
they're
much
much
much
higher
than
a
lot
of
our
peer
countries.
And,
what's
really
concerning
about
this,
and
as
it
relates
to
incarceration,
is
that
over
half
of
those
actually
take
place
after
after
birth.
And
so
you.
D
But,
as
you
can
see
between,
you
know,
set
the
seventh
day
and
the
365th
day,
there's
still
a
really
large
chunk
of
folks
and
so
I'm,
just
kind
of
keeping
in
mind
that
any
person
that
you
see
that's
a
reproductive
age,
it's
quite
possible
that
they
may
or
may
not
have
had
a
baby
in
the
past
year,
and
it's
something
that
you
should
just
sort
of
know
as
you're
working
with
these
folks.
But
there
are
some
warning
signs.
D
I
won't
go
through
them
one
by
one,
but
if
you
grab
one
of
the
handouts
that
we
made
for
that
were
sort
of
geared
towards
the
jails.
Those
are
all
listed
there
with
nice,
little
graphics
and
there's
a
lot
lots
more
information
about
those
on
cdc.gov.
There's
a
campaign
called
hear
her,
which
is
really
aimed
at
this
idea
that
we
need
to
be
paying
attention
and
listening
to
women
when
they
think
that
something's
wrong
and
that
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
really
concerning
in
those
situations.
D
Study
is
really
important,
especially
in
cultural
settings,
and
that
there
might
be
a
window
of
opportunity
to
get
some
of
these
recommended
vaccines
if
they
hadn't
received
them,
especially
if
they
hadn't
received
any
prenatal
care
prior
to
being
incarcerated,
and
those
that
are
recommended
are,
of
course,
the
covid-19
bacteria
vaccine
series
plus
the
booster.
This
has
been
tested
in
pregnancy,
it's
known
to
be
safe.
D
You
can
confer
some
immunity
to
the
baby,
even
and
so
that's
that's
helpful
Tdap
and
the
flu
vaccine
so
I
think
a
lot
of
these
are
things
that
you
all
are
familiar
with.
The
only
the
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
one
thing
that
we're
encountering
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
experienced
this
in
your
work
as
well,
but
that
sometimes
people
fall
off
the
Medicaid
rolls
when
they
end
up
in
jail
or
prison,
and
it's
not
supposed
to
happen
as
frequently
I,
don't
think
as
it
does.
D
But
just
something
to
bear
in
mind
is
that
I
think
it's
it's
supposed
to
happen
if
they're
convicted
of
a
felony
but
I
think
folks
are
losing
their
Medicaid
at
some
point
along
the
process.
So,
just
knowing
that,
when
you're
working
with
folks
that
you
might
need
to
ask
that
question
and
make
sure
that
you're
getting
them
reconnected
with
Medicaid
if
they
found
themselves
incarcerated,
there's
also
a
lots
of
Home
visiting
programs.
As
you
know,
there
are
lots
of
substance
use
Treatment
Services
in
North
Carolina.
D
We
do
have
sort
of
a
centralized
place
where
you
can
check
for
bad
availability
for
folks
that
are
pregnant
and
they
receive
priorities,
so
that
would
be
the
alcohol
and
drug
Council
of
North
Carolina.
There's
1-800
number
up
there,
also
that's
one
of
the
other
fire
that
we
created
and
there's
also
may
have
Kara
locally,
which
works
with
pregnant
women
on
prenatal
care,
as
well
as
their
substance,
use,
disorder
and
then
UNC
Horizons,
which
sometimes
can
defer
folks
from
jails.
D
So
we
created
a
few
resources,
we're
kind
of
at
the
beginning
of
this
project.
We
got
a
little
bit
of
funding
to
to
work
on
some
things
related
to
Covenant
pregnancy,
but
we're
kind
of
expanding
it
to
the
dignity,
act
and
resources
for
the
jails,
so
we've
created
the
handout,
that's
also
available
in
a
poster
format.
D
We
have
our
website
that
we
would
love
for
you
to
check
out
and
give
us
feedback
about,
and
then
we
have
a
healthcare
provider
train,
that's
almost
done,
and
our
goal
is
to
try
to
make
sure
that
all
the
health
care
providers
around
the
state
that
work
with
folks
that
are
in
the
justice
system
are
able
to
care
for
them
adequately
and
know
the
law.
And
then
we
also
have
a
corrections.
D
Officer,
training,
module
that
we're
working
on
to
try
to
make
sure
folks
feel
equipped
with
this
new
information
as
well,
and
then
just
some
more
resources
about
health.
Again,
our
website
there's
a
CDC
website
and
we
have
a
vast
amount
of
information
around
maternal
warning
signs
and
other
things
related
to
pregnancy
and
health.
D
N
I'm
the
social
worker
at
the
Western
Correctional
Center
for
Women,
so
we're
the
minimum
custody
facility.
So
there's
only
three
three
women's
facilities
in
the
states
in
the
state
and
the
challenges
that
you
again,
if
you
have
a
woman
coming
from
the
eastern
part
of
the
state,
it's
and
somebody
is-
is
minimum
custody
they
didn't
transfer
population
management
is
moving
people
around,
so
something
that
keeps
people
farther
away.
We
don't
we
don't
see
the
pregnant
women
make.
N
The
central
processing
in
Raleigh
brings
all
the
women
that
are
there,
so
they
get
kept
there
and
their
birth
their
child
there,
and
it's
like
he's
able
to
stay
there.
It's
very
rare
that
women
will
cut
that
I.
Think
maybe
I
have
one
woman
right
now.
In
my
case,
though,
her
child
is
22
months
old,
it's
just
releasing
soon
he's
going
to
be
going
to
a
drug
treatment
program,
South
light
that
will
accept
her
or
her
and
her
son.
But
again
we
don't
see
that
many.
P
A
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Tiffany
attitude,
I'm,
just
a
service
director.
So
if
you
guys
have
questions
specific
to
me
or
if
there's
people
in
the
room
that
can
answer
them
feel
free
to
jump
in
so
for
me,
I
think
the
question
was
about
the
money
that's
collected
from
the
services
from
inmates
in
the
jail
I
would
defer
to
our
Sheriff's
Office
Team.
If
they
usually
what's
the
answer
to
that
for.
C
Q
N
I
can
answer
the
one
for
prison,
so
the
prison
there
is
a
five
dollar
copay
for
the
medical
for
a
medical
visit,
but
it
does
not
prevent
somebody
from
being
seen.
They
cannot
pay
it.
That's
not
a
problem.
Basically,
what
people
will
have
to
have
happen
is
that
families
are
putting
monies
into
their
JPay
accounts.
If
there's
an
actual
medical
emergency,
then
actually
they
will
not
be
charged
to
co-pay
and
that's
both
for
medical,
as
well
as
dental
services
that
we
have.
C
J
I
J
Reported
here
was
what
we
heard
from
40
women
who
were
in
the
jail
last
September
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
in
a
lot
of
cases-
and
this
is
normal
in
jails
across
the
country.
What
is
the
policy
on
the
books
and
what
the
CEOs
know
is?
The
policy
is
not
necessarily
what
the
women
understand
is
happening,
and
so
my
understanding
is
that
it
was.
It
was
always
the
case
that
menstrual
products
were
supposed
to
be
free,
but
sometimes
there
weren't
enough
where
people
had
to
buy
extra
commissary.
J
K
J
Q
Q
P
J
If
I
can
just
make
a
general
comment
about
this
issue
and
again,
this
I
know
that
this
is
normal
practice
across
the
country,
but
something
that
Vera
and
other
organizations
generally
suggest
is
that
it
is.
It
is
the
state
where
the
County's
responsibility
to
provide
for
the
basic
needs
of
people
who
are
detained
either
in
jails
or
in
prisons,
and
so
of
course,
it's
understandable
that
a
government
that
has
limitations
on
resources
would
sometimes
charge
these
for
things,
particularly
for
people
who
have
family
giving
them
resources.
J
However,
our
suggestion
is
that
the
county
could
consider
reallocating
its
resources,
such
that
everybody
in
the
jail
or
prison
receives
a
basic
level
of
supplies,
regardless
of
their
income
status,
and
that
this
could
be
funded
by
the
public
resources,
which
would
eliminate
the
need
to
assess
people's
ability
to
pay.
It
would
simplify
things.
J
People
can
still
have
the
option
to
purchase
additional
things
in
the
commissary,
and
it
would
it
would
both
simplify
and
kind
of
level
it
off,
because
even
if
someone's
family
is
providing
money
to
them,
they
may
wish
to
spend
that
on
things
like
video
calls
to
distant
relatives
rather
than
for
basic
items
like
menstrual
products
or
a
toothpaste.
So
it's
something
to
consider.
County-Wide
I
know
that
the
jail
is
managing
a
lot.
C
H
Sorry
I
just
I
just
want
to
add
on
the
topic
of
menstrual
products
that
you
know,
I've
seen
the
phases
from
our
jail
staff,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
address
it
that
you
know
we
heard
that
there
were
products
available,
but
they
may
not
have
been
the
products
that
women
thought
were
right
for
them
or
good
enough
or
enough.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
comment
that
and
make
sure
we're
like
covering
our
bases
there.
G
Yeah,
my
concern
is
even
before
we
even
get
to
that
point
like
have
it
ever
been
any
mention
of,
like
maybe
creating
jobs
like
for
peer
support,
Specialists
or
recovery,
coaches
or
community
health
workers
be
placed
in
the
neighborhoods
that
have
a
better
relationship
with
the
people,
because
a
lot
of
times
people
people
go
to
jail.
Just
for
you
know,
BS
reasons
you
know,
you're
already
worked
up,
and
here
come
the
police
they
normally
they.
G
They
just
contribute
by
this,
aggravate
the
person
or
or
disrespecting
them,
and
now
you're
already
mad
about
whatever
you're
going
through
and
then
now
the
police
try
to
say
any
little
thing
to
take
you
to
jail.
How
about
having
people?
That's
already
have
relationship
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
just
just
be
able
to
diffuse
stuff
like
that,
because
a
lot
of
times
people
just
want
to
want
to
be
heard.
G
A
lot
of
people
just
want
to
just
know,
Express
how
they
feel
and
then,
if
you
have
a
relationship
with
this
person,
you
know
you
already
know
what
this
person's
going
through.
So
you
already
know
how
to
like
come
out
of
a
lot
of
officers.
Don't
have
they
ever
been
a
mentioned
before
you
even
got
to
the
point
of
being
arrested.
P
So
I
can't
speak
to
Nessa
and
my
role
but
I've
heard
conversations
especially
around
like
reimagining
policing,
especially
in
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
of
looking
at
corresponder
models
or
different
models
for
presidents
or
Behavioral
Health
Providers
that
Kathleen's
looking
up
for
me,
she's,
probably
hearing
a
lot
of
this
information,
so
I'm
gonna.
Just
let
you
let
another
reflect
to
you.
K
K
It's
a
similar
Symphony
I
can't
speak
directly
from
my
role,
but
as
somebody
who
sits
in
rooms
with
folks
who
work
in
the
justice
system,
folks
who
work
in
emergency
services,
Direct,
Care,
Mental
and
Behavioral
Health
Providers
I
have
heard
folks
talk
about
the
importance
of
finding
ways
to
not
just
try
to
bring
a
solution
into
a
community
but
figure
out
who's
out
of
doing
the
work
in
the
community.
And
how
do
we
partner
with
those
resources
at
that
level?
Conversation
right,
but
that
that's
what
I
can
speak
to
yeah.
G
That's
that's
will
be
my
problem.
It'd
be
a
lot
of
conversation,
but
it'll
be
no
action.
You
know
I'm
saying
it's
like
a
with
conversate
with
the
group,
but
then
as
soon
as
the
group,
this
person
forget
about
that
and
it's
the
community
still
going
on
so
who
do
I
talk
to
you
know
what
I'm
saying
to
say
the
express
how
I
feel
because
of
my
spirits
of
my
life
and
been
my
experience
on
being
on
this
side
of
Defense
too.
K
Absolutely
well
I'm
sure,
there's
more
than
one
answer
to
that
question
of
who
to
talk
to,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
give
you
my
contact
information
and
we
we
have
a
group
that
students
are
in
this
planning.
That
would
be
a
space
that
community
members
can
come
and
share
as
well.
Okay
for
sure
but
I'm
sure,
there's
more
than
one,
except
that
okay.
M
I'm
trying
to
get
a
clear
idea
on
the
process
so
at
what
point
do
women
when
they're
being
processed?
What
are
they
told
what
rights
they
have
as
far
as
access
to
these
products
and
then
is
there
a
three
bits
process?
That's
built
in
that
they're
made
aware
of
that
they
can
say.
Oh
here's,
who
I
direct
by
complaining
to
if
I'm
not
receiving
expired
things.
Q
A
I
A
J
As
well,
this
is
not
unique
to
that
income,
but
just
the
degree
of
challenges
that
women
in
jail
are
trying
to
manage,
with
trying
to
mitigate,
what's
going
on
in
their
life
outside
from
the
disruption
plus.
The
experience
of
being
in
isolation
plus
various
health
and
substance
use
situations
that
they're
going
through
it's
very
difficult
for
them
to
to
integrate
a
lot
of
information.
It
was
even
difficult,
in
some
cases
to
kind
of
clarify
the
questions
that
we
were
asking
and
get
clear
answers,
and
so
you
can.
K
J
That
someone
coming
in
hearing
about
products
that
are
available
to
them
hearing
about
their
case,
how
to
contact
their
lawyer
what's
going
on
with
their
kids,
where
they're
going
to
be
sleeping
tonight
where
their
property
is
it's
a
lot,
and
so
the
general
message
that
we
want
to
communicate.
I
think
to
everybody
working
in
government
and
in
the
community
is
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
take
that
burden
off
the
person
who's
inside
and
proactively,
provide
that
information
through
staff
through
peer
supports
in
the
system
through
tablet-based
information
enumerous
times
on
a
regular
basis.
J
L
R
I'm,
just
wondering
are
the
female
inmates
or
any
inmates
able
to
communicate
outside
the
jail
any
other
way
than
writing
a
letter
ever
so.
How
is
that
happening?
You
don't
have
money
or
anybody
putting
money
on
a
phone
card
or
being
able
to
access
the
tablet
with
the
email.
Is
there
any
way
they're
able
to
communicate
with
the
outside
Family?
Actually,
they
have
to
have
money
to
have
any
kind
of
outside
communication.
Okay,
questions.
I
I
I
I'm
not
saying
that's
perfect,
but
there's
work
going
on,
but
I
think
like
our
goal
has
to
be
them
not
even
getting
to
that
point
and
so
kind
of
taking
that
step
back
and
stop
criminalizing
people
for
a
substance.
Use
disorder
stop
Criminal,
advising
them
for
perception
of
a
drug.
You
know
I
mean
really
I
would
say
any
of
it,
but,
like
so
I
think
that,
like
part
of
this
is
working
with
and
making
sure
North
Carolina
actually
has
a
pretty
good.
I
We
have
low
and
free
cost
treatment
for
people
who
have
no
funding,
so
my
agency
is
able
to
serve
anybody
who
has
Medicaid
Medicare
or
in
the
gym.
You
know
we
can
do
inpatient
treatment.
Do
we
need
more
beds?
Absolutely
you
know,
are
we
always
being
cut
absolutely?
Do
we
always
is
it?
Are
we
always
on
the
chopping
block,
because
we
don't
have
enough
funding?
Yes,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
greater
issue
around
stepping
back
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
stop
putting
people
in
jail
for
these
things
too.
Yeah.
R
I
do
compliment
Buncombe,
County
and
the
judges
that
have
compassion
with
our
jail
diversion
programs.
I
mean
that
doesn't
need
to
be
understood
that
we
do
have
a
lot
of
resources
here
and
with
our
jail
diversion
programs
and
them
allowing
you
know
the
inmates
to
come
out
for
treatment.
It
is
nothing
short
of
amazing
here,
so,
although
we
may
get
frustrated
with
the
Jill
part,
we
are
here
to
support
those
active
addiction
and
trying
to
help
them
all
across
the
county.
G
It
is
like
I'm,
just
curious
to
know
like
what
happened
to
the
old
system
where,
when
you,
when
you're
in
jail,
you
could
just
call
somebody
and
they
decide
if
they
want
to
accept
the
call
instead
of
making
it
so
tough
to
where
you
got
to
have
money
on
the
books.
Like
I
know,
technology
can
advance,
but
it
wasn't
really
nothing
broken
that
system
ever.
Basically,
technology
is
Advanced.
F
Q
All
right,
so
our
phone,
we
don't
provide
a
phone,
let's
not
paid
for
by
the
county.
Okay,
we
have
vendors
to
come
in,
they
provide
commissary
Services,
they
provide
phone
services,
media
visitation
Services,
so
those
are
vendors
that
we
contract
with.
In
order
to
provide
those
services
that
you've
seen
on
one
of
the
slides
it
was,
we
got
to
communicate
with
those
vendors
to
try
to
reduce
the
cost
of
you
know,
fees
that
you
know,
Entertain
You
will
have
to
pay
in
order
to
call
somebody
visit
somebody.
Q
So
one
thing
I'll
say
that
the
kind
of
piggyback
off
of
what
a
lot
of
these
are
saying
is
we're
committed
around
about
the
best
care
that
we
can
provide,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
were
a
community
of
Wheat
and
I'm
still
in
the
share
of
Thunder.
That's
that
that's
his
slogan,
but
we
are
we're
a
community
of
we
so
we're
all
in
this
together.
So
we
all
are
going
to
be
solving
this
problem.
We
need
more
people
to
see
I,
appreciate
and
love
that
everybody
that's
here
tonight
your
input.
B
A
A
B
B
B
B
M
L
And
anybody
who
wants
to
tour
of
the
Detention
Facility,
so
it's
the
County,
Jail
Oklahoma,
County,
Detention
Facility
same
thing:
anybody
who
wants
to
tour.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
touring
people
through
the
facility
so
get
with
me.
Parents,
Arbor
aaron.county.org.
We
do
reporters
pretty
regularly.
You
know
a
lot
of
y'all
have
to
work,
there's
a
lot
of
Butler
County
folks.
So
we
can't
do
poor
Everybody
by
Friday,
but
we'll
you
know
we're
happy
to
do
it
and
we
have
our
DL
supervisors
back
here.
They
lead
the
divorce.
L
We're
happy
to
show
you!
You
know
it's
an
open
tour
for
you.
If
you
want
to
go
up
to
six
East,
we'll
take
you
up
to
six
East.
If
you
want
to
spend
two
hours
in
the
kitchen,
we'll
spend
two
hours
in
the
kitchen,
so
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
what
Sheriff
Miller
has
stressed
is
letting
people
see
inside
shows
themselves
ask
questions
nothing's
off
limits.
So
that's
our.
G
L
F
Prisons,
but
as
far
as
various
engagement
and
Funk
and
Bounty,
it's
been
tremendous.
Here's
actually,
what
brought
me
to
Buncombe
County
as
part
of
the
career,
Pathways,
post-secondary
education,
product
or
Vera
continued
to
partner,
with
Buncombe
County
on
a
Raintree
basis
and
maybe
furthering
the
program's
life
conflicts.
If.
J
You're,
referring
to
the
College
of
prison
programs,
yeah,
that's
another
team
at
Vera
that
is
managing
that.
So
as
far
as
I
know,
yes,
but
I
can
give
you
the
contact
information
for
that
team.
I
know
they've
been
expanding
their
work
since
the
Pell
Grants,
where
we
have
students
for
people
in
prison,
so
I
think
so.
But
I
don't
know
if
that
answer
for
sure.
O
L
A
P
A
lot
of
community
here,
but
to
County
leadership,
who
devoted
their
time
to
the
Sheriff's
Office
success
even
to
our
one
of
our
local
district
court
judges
just
couples
like
we
have
County
leadership
and
Court
partners
and
Community
Partners
are
really
trying
to
make
a
difference.
But
what's
most
impactful
is
having
you
all
here
and
listening
to
those
who
are
working
in
community
or
have
those
experience
and
making
this
change
their
partnership.
P
P
B
Think
it's
going
to
go
through
that
channel.
So
if
you
just
kind
of
want
to
remain
updated
and
posted,
you
can
see
me
too,
and
what
I
can
do
is
just
kind
of
let
you
know
how
it's
progressing.
But
if
you
really
I
really
would
love
you
to
be
a
part
of
that
because
we
have
slots
over
for
community
members
and
we
need
that.
We
need
more
Commissioners.