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From YouTube: JRAC meeting Feb. 4, 2022
A
Good
afternoon
everybody
and
welcome
to
buncombe
county
justice
resource
advisory
council
meeting
february
4th
meeting
we're
going
to
get
started
in
just
a
minute
here.
Hopefully
you
all
have
your
materials
that
was
sent
out
this
morning
earlier.
You
also
got
the
minutes,
so
hopefully,
you'll
take
a
minute
december
minutes,
take
a
minute
to
review
those
in
advance,
I'm
bk
wesley
assistant,
county
manager
and
also
jrat
chair.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
roll
call.
A
When
I
call
your
name,
if
you
could
unmute
and
respond.
A
All
right
so
I'll
start
with
myself.
Of
course,
dk
present
chief
deputy
herbert
blank
blake.
A
And
I'll
just
come
back,
go
back
around
pat
freeman.
B
A
A
We
don't
yet
have
a
quorum,
so
vanessa
and
natalie.
If
you
can
help
me
watch
for
folks
joining,
I
know
that
starting
at
12,
30,
usually
folks,
have
to
get
out
of
court
and
get
on
so
we'll
watch
and
see.
If
we
have
a
quorum.
We
don't
have
any
action
to
take
here
other
than,
of
course,
the
consent
agenda,
and
possibly
this
is
the
first
review
of
a
red
line
of
our
bylaws.
A
So
we
may
or
may
not
get
to
the
point
where
we
will
be
making
any
adopting
any
revisions
to
that
today.
So
I
will
go.
D
E
A
We
have
some
pretty
good
updates
here
today,
so
I
hope
you
all
are
excited,
as
I
am
to
hear
about
some
of
this
work
that's
happening
currently,
if
we
have
we'll
wait
and
come
back
to
the
minutes,
but
if
we
have
agreement
to
move
forward
with
the
agenda,
any
concerns
we're
moving
forward
with
the
agenda,
as
noted
here.
A
All
right,
I
do
have
one
change
agenda.
We
have
under
new
business
an
update
on
the
recommendations
on
violence,
prevention
and
jackie
latex
will
be
providing
that
update
in
lieu
of
robert
thomas.
So
I
think
she's
here,
yep
she's
here
all
right.
E
Hey
everyone
hannah
ledgerton,
I'm
with
the
safety
and
justice
challenge
and
youth
justice
division
manager.
I
was
asked
to
kind
of
share
a
high
level
overview
of
the
jail
population
trends
and
where
we're
at,
and
so
I've
got
one
slide
prepared
for
that
and
if
there's
additional
questions
we
could
go
through
more,
but
I
think
dk
we
were
just
planning
to
look
at
the
high
level.
Is
that
right.
E
A
Send
this
out
to
the
body
via
email,
but
we
wanted
to
talk
about
it
publicly
and
and
answer
any
questions
that
folks
may
have.
B
E
All
right,
so
this
trend
over
time,
lee
creighton,
dr
lee
creighton,
put
together
recently
to
show
where
we
have
been
in
our
jail
population
from
january
2020
through
january
of
2022.
A
E
Yeah
right
so
during
when
we
started
the
safety
and
justice
challenge,
we
had
been
a
little
bit
below
this
level
and
we
had
had
some
slight
increases
up
until
january
2020
and,
as
you
all
know,
during
the
first
few
months
of
the
pandemic,
particularly
starting
march
2020,
there's
a
huge
systemic
push
to
try
to
safely
reduce
the
jail
population
with
kind
of
policy
and
practice
changes
being
made
across
our
system.
E
During
that
time,
we
saw
a
production
between
may
2020
and
july
of
2020.
We
were
able
to
reduce
the
jail
population
by
40
percent
because
of
that
steep
reduction,
we
were
able
to
close
the
jail's
annex,
which
has,
I
think,
was
needed
to
happen
due
to
some
kind
of
structural
issues.
Anyways
and
so
we've
been
able
to
keep
the
annex
closed
during
since
april
of
2020.
E
between
essentially
october
of
2020
and
july
of
2021,
for
close
to
eight
right
for
close
to
ten
months,
we
were
hovering
right
around
the
original
sjc
target,
where
we
were
able
to
sustain
essentially
a
15
reduction
from
the
baseline
of
jail
population
when
we'd
started
the
safety
and
justice
challenge
and
so
well,
it
had
slightly
increased
between
july
and
october
of
2020
from
the
lowest
point.
We
were
able
to
really
keep
that
roughly.
E
I
think
sorry
about
without
my
notes,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
was
around
325
was
overall,
the
average
monthly
population
for
about
10
months,
starting
in
the
summer
of
2021.
We
saw
our
jail
population
start
to
increase
again
and
has
increased
significantly
over
the
months
leading
up
to
january
2020,
even
with
covet
outbreaks
going
through
the
jail.
In
january,
we
saw
our
we've
seen.
E
Our
jail
population
go
back
up
to
close
to
where
we
were
in
january
of
2022,
and
I
believe
that
in
the
last
roughly
five
days
of
january,
our
jail
was
essentially
operating
at
current
capacity.
E
And
the
blue
line
is
where
we
are
looking
specifically
as
far
as
sjc
numbers,
safety
and
justice
challenge
numbers,
the
that's,
the
local
jail
population.
The
green
line
adds
in
the
beds
that
for
people
who
are
being
held
on
federal
contracts
and
the
dotted
line
is
where
the
facility
is
essentially
operational
capacity.
E
Does
that
dk
is
that
kind
of
provide
what
you're
hoping
to
ground
the
conversation
in
today.
A
Yeah,
that's
helpful
just
wanted
you
to
provide
a
high
level
review
of
the
graph
here.
Dr
creighton
is
not
here
today
and
he
probably
would
go
into
a
lot
more
detail
on
what
all
of
this
means,
but
basically,
we've
had.
We
had
some
successes
early
on
in
the
pandemic,
where
we
were
able
to
safely
reduce
the
jail
population
and
that
came
from
the
partners
getting
together.
A
The
sheriff
worked
with
the
partners
to
come
up
with
some
strategies
to
reduce
the
jail
population
so
that
he
could
keep
the
client
safe
in
the
jail
with
regards
to
the
pandemic
covet
19
pandemic.
A
So
what
we're
seeing
here
is
the
jail
population
beginning
to
increase
mostly
due
to
an
increase
in
the
length
of
stay
and
so
we're
at
definitely
at
higher
a
higher
rate
than
a
pre
pandemic
and
pandemic,
but
we're
also
very
close
to
capacity
so
just
wanted
to
share
this
here
with
you
all
see,
if
you
have
any
questions,
thoughts,
suggestions
for
discussion.
A
A
All
right,
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
try
to
do
is
establish
recurring
data
points
to
bring
to
this
body
for
review
j-rad.
Of
course,
joe
population.
Let
the
state
will
likely
be
one,
but
if
you
have
some
other
suggestions
on
data
that
you
would
like
to
see
on
a
recurring
basis,
let
us
know
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
have
someone
here
to
present
that
and
talk
through
it.
E
I
wasn't
exactly
sure
how
many
slides
to
prepare
I
do
have.
Oh,
let
me
I
know
that
this
there's
often
of
there's
a
if
we
have
just
another
minute
I
can
share
with
you.
A
For
that
I
see
a
question
in
the
chat
from
julia
julia.
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
concrete
plans
at
this
time.
I
know
that
discussions
are
occurring
amongst
the
partners
about
the
strategies
that
were
used
during
the
pandemic
and
what,
if
any
of
those
can
be
sustained
long
term?
So
hopefully
we'll
have
some
information
to
bring
back
to
this
body
soon
soon.
Well,.
B
Thanks,
that's!
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
mean
I'm
sure
those
conversations
are
happening
and
wanted
any
summary
that
you
had
of
them
that
helps.
Thank
you.
E
I
did
have
so
I
do
have
a
slide
on
hand
that
dr
creighton
and
tiffany
shared
with
the
board
of
commissioners
recently.
So
this
slide,
I
think,
you'll
have
seen
at
different
points
in
time.
It
does
show
the
race,
ethnicity
breakdown.
E
E
It
shows
kind
of
the
percentage
of
the
jail
population
that
is
black
over
the
past
two
years
and
as
we've
brought
up
at
the
recent
meeting,
we
are
working
on
the
previously
data
collection,
so
this
doesn't
include
the
latin
x
population
and
then
this
slide
of
potential
opportunities
is
what
dr
creighton
and
tiffany
shared
with
the
board
of
commissioners
and
and
with
justice
system
kind
of
court
leadership.
I
believe
last
week
of
potential
opportunities
that
could
significantly
impact
our
jail
population
right
now.
A
Yeah
and
if
there
are
any
specific
questions
that
you
all
want
have
or
want
to
see
the
data
displayed
differently,
let
us
know
and
we'll
work
with
lee
to
get
some
updates
on
that
and
bring
it
back
as
well.
A
So
yep
julia
conversations
are
happening
currently
to
see
what
can
happen
to
you
know
better
manage
the
jail
population
in
a
safe
manner,
one
of
the
things
that
if
lee
was
healed,
he
would
probably
share.
He
did
also
did
an
analysis
of
recidivism
over
the
last
year
and
what
it
showed
was
that
we
have
not
seen
an
increase
in
recidivism
based
on
the
reduction
that
was
made
during
the
pandemic.
So
that
was
a
you
know.
A
Pretty
hopeful
slide
to
see
that
we
can
make
changes
and
reduce
the
jail
population
without
increasing
community
decreasing
community
safety.
So.
A
F
F
So
hannah
I
saw
there
was
a
slide
with
potential
opportunities
that
was
on
the
screen.
Just
very
briefly,
in
my
solution,
oriented
kind
of
way
of
thinking.
I
guess
I
wonder
what
is
what
is
needed
from
this
body
from
j-rack
to
help
advance
those
potential
opportunities.
A
Good
question,
I
think,
and,
as
you
know,
rachel
there
are
some
of
these
things.
We
can't
necessarily
impact
ourselves.
There
are
some
policy
decisions
that
have
to
be
made
by
officers
in
the
court,
and
so
what
we
try
to
do
here
is
just
give
based
on
the
data.
What
potential
changes
could
happen
in
order
to
and
what
the
impact
would
be
to
the
jail
beds
and.
A
Folks
on
the
j-rack
there's
some
folks
that
we
all
work
with
so
continued
discussion
and
encouragement
to
think
about
opportunities.
I
think,
is
something
that
this
this
body
can
can
help
to
move
forward
solutions.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
wants
to
jump
in
from
the
courts
that
sam
you
might
be
the
only
one
here,
I'm
trying
to
look
at
the
the
attendee
list,
but
also
not
just
of
course,
that
I
think
the
law
enforcement
has
a
part
of
that.
A
We
did
see
a
reduction
in
in
in
bookings
and
we
haven't
seen
bookings
increase,
but
we
do
know
that
there
are
different
factors
that
play
into
that
and
so
conversations
around
instead
of
resting
people
giving
citations
those
types
of
things
as
well.
So
I
think
we
it's
going
to
be
important,
that
all
of
the
partners
community
members,
everybody
work
together
to
try
to
manage
the
jail
population,
but
also
keeping
keeping
safety
first
and
in
mind
jay.
You
are
you
you
lit
up.
You
want
to
share
yeah.
C
Yeah
there
in
you
know,
I've
been
working
with
the
the
sjc,
both
with
community
engagement
and
some
other
communication.
It
says
over
the
years
and
there
are
some
things
that
really
have
been
working
and,
of
course,
at
at
a
later
point
in
this.
In
this
meeting,
we'll
talk
about
some
recommendations
that
have
come,
but
the
things
that
specifically
have
have
helped
was
when
law
enforcement
in
consideration
of
safety
when
they,
when
they
released
people
for
culture,
they
were
able
to
do
that.
C
Based
on
you
know
what
would
make
a
safer
community,
but
there's
also
been
more
more
conversations
happening
in
the
community.
So
there's
like
grassroots
level
work,
because
the
sjc
has
been
open
to
community
members
and
intentionally
recruited
involvement
from
community
members
and
use
trusted
community
members
to
connect
with
even
more
folks.
It
may
seem,
like
you
know
the
needle
moves
slowly,
but
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
really
works,
because
people
need
the
information
like
even
as
a
regard
like
magistrate.
C
Failure
to
appear
some
of
those
things
have
been
working,
because
people
in
the
room
are
people
that
are
connected
with
the
community
already
anyway,
so
that
that
that's
some
of
the
things
that's
contributing
to
it
and-
and
I
I
would
always
like
to
state
that
we
need
more
of
that
happening.
Just
having
local
folks
in
the
room,
will
help
close
some
of
the
information
gaps
and
give
people
strategies
on
how
to
help
it
move
forward.
All
together.
A
A
The
next
item
is
oh
business
and
it's
the
j-rack
by-laws
update
vanessa,
sent
out
a
draft
red
line
of
our
current
bylaws
and
just
to
back
up
and
provide
some
context.
Two
years
ago,
we
worked
together
to
develop
some
bylaws
for
the
jrac
to
add
some
structure
and
so
everyone's
clear
about
expectations
and
how
we'll
manage
ourselves
in
this
in
this
space,
and
we
committed
that
at
that
time
after
two
years,
you
know,
take
a
look
at
it
again
and
see.
A
The
major
changes
that
you'll
see
then
I'll
open
it
up
to
you
all
to
see
if
you
have
any
thoughts
or
any
additional
recommended
changes,
is
that
on
the
membership
originally,
we
had
like
actual
offices
for
the
folks
that
are
in
our
local
criminal
justice
center
system,
but
and
what
we
see
is
that
across
the
nation,
sometimes
it's
the
office.
So
let
me
just
make
sam
as
an
example
but
sam.
We
want
you
to
continue
to
be
the
person
that
comes,
but
let
me
use
you
as
example.
A
So,
typically
you,
you
may
see
the
chief
public
defender,
that's
actually
seated
on
the
j-rack
and
other
organizations
or
jurisdictions
the
chief
may
appoint
or
assign
their
deputy
chief
or
somebody
similar
to
what
the
sheriff
has
done
here,
and
so
we've
seen
some
of
that
happen,
but
our
bylaws
didn't
actually
allow
for
that.
It
was
very
specific
that
it's
the
office
holder,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
organizations
have
some
flexibility
on
who
they
stand
to
engage,
and
so
that's
a
major
change
here.
A
Also
there's
been
some
organizational
changes,
so
you'll
see
we
had
from
a
governmental
perspective.
We
had
pre-trial
specifically
named,
but
justice
services
pre-trial,
is
a
division
of
justice
services,
so
we
wanted
to
give
justice
services
the
opportunity
to
assign
you
know
whomever
they
want
from
that
department.
A
I
think
that's
the
major
training
structure,
we've
also
added
on
page
three,
the
steering
committee.
So
at
the
time
that
we
first
adopted
these
bylaws,
we
had
two
groups
that
were
established
through
the
safety
and
justice
challenge.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
even
once
that
opera
that
funding
opportunity
is
gone,
we
would
still
want
to
keep
those
groups
in
place.
A
So
we've
went
ahead
and
added
to
the
bylaws,
the
racial
equity
work
group,
the
community
engagement,
work
group
and
I
think
the
last
meeting,
if
not
the
last,
maybe
the
meeting
before
this
body
approved
adding
a
behavioral
health
justice
collaborative
so
we
outlined
that
in
the
bylaws
yeah.
Those
are
the
major
changes
here,
so
I
didn't
get
any
suggestions
from
anyone
on
anything
other
than
those
specific
changes.
A
I'm
not
sure
if
I
have
a
forum,
so
we
can
bring
it
back
to
the
next
one
if
we
don't
have
a
quorum
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
them,
it's
not
urgent
right.
We
are
operating
as
is,
and
have
provided
some
flexibility
for
the
partners
to
send
people
other
than
the
office
holder
if
they
so
determine,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
line
with
our
bylaw.
So
that
is
something
we
want
to
fix
going
forward.
So
I
can
add
this
to
the
next
j-wreck
meeting.
A
Unless,
by
the
end
of
this
meeting,
we
accomplish
a
quorum
natalie
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
adopt
him
and
really
and
also
deal
with
the
the
the
december
minutes,
all
right.
A
G
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
you
all
giving
me
some
time
today,
as
dk
mentioned,
I
am
not
rob
thomas
I'm
jackie
laytek
with
the
spark
foundation
I'm
standing
in
for
rob
today,
and
he
extends
his
apologies
for
the
scheduling
challenges
he
had
today.
G
G
Maybe
extend
me
some
grace
if
there's
any
parts
of
this
presentation
that
I
might
screw
up,
but
let
me
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
so
over
a
year
ago,
spark
my
daddy
taught
me
that
emojia
and
rjc
entered
into
a
collaboration
to
address
violence
in
certain
communities
in
asheville.
G
In
this
first
year
we
intended
to
offer
healing
support
resources
and
youth
prevention
activities,
and
these
are
all
necessary
components
in
addressing
social
determinants
of
health.
But
as
rob
told
me
over
a
year
ago,
there
were
other
models
that
existed,
that
more
directly
address
those
who
were
committing
the
violence
and
in
those
conversations
we
agreed
that
we
needed
more
understanding
into
those
models
and
we
needed
a
plan
for
implementation.
G
G
G
G
We
have
lots
of
scientific
evidence
that
supports
the
concept
that
if
we
treat
violence
more
like
a
virus
and
less
like
a
sin,
we
can
work
together
to
prevent
its
spread
from
the
world.
Health
organization
supports
the
idea
that
understanding,
not
enforcement
of
moral
ideals
is
ultimately
what
will
help
create
the
healing
that
so
many
of
us
are
hoping
for.
G
G
G
G
G
G
The
chw
is
the
place
where
the
efforts
to
prevent
or
interrupt
violence
and
the
possibility
of
real-time
change
meet.
These
individuals
are
where
the
theory
meets
and
in
many
ways
engaging
appropriate
individuals,
w
role
and
then
fully
supporting
these
individuals
is
synonymous
with
the
success
of
whichever
organization
you
choose
to
work
with,
rather
than
sell
you
on
the
importance
of
this
role.
G
These
individuals
come
from
the
area
where
they're
working,
they
know
many
of
the
high-risk
individuals
and
have
relationships
with
key
community
players,
all
of
which
helps
the
scales
in
any
given
moment
tip
towards
trust
and
respect
for
the
effort
of
the
chw
and
therefore
the
overall
program.
They
are
part
of
through
chw
training.
These
individuals
also
gain
an
understanding
of
the
root
causes
and
eventual
effects
of
violence,
both
theoretically
and
experientially,
with
training
and
support.
B
G
G
What
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
today
are
the
results
of
some
research
that
rjc
and
spark
have
been
working
on
this
year.
The
intention
of
this
research
has
been
to
learn
about
the
two
main
organizations
that
appeared
after
initial
findings
to
be
the
best
fit
for
asheville
and
then
to
contrast
and
compare
these
organizations
to
help
determine
which
might
be
the
best
fit
for
asheville.
G
These
two
organizations
are
cure.
Violence
global
in
chasm
which
stands
for
community
healing
through
activism
and
strategic
mobilization
cure
violence.
Global
is
mainly
known
for
addressing
street
violence,
which
they've
had
good
results
with
all
over
the
world,
whereas
chasm
is
a
younger
organization
that
does
not
limit
itself
to
street
violence,
but
utilizes
an
integrated
model
that
engages
communities
in
preventing
violence
of
many
kinds,
including
domestic
violence.
G
At
cure
violence
first,
the
cvg
model
is
presented
on
this
slide.
Some
of
the
ways
that
cvg
works
includes
the
following
elements.
First,
off
cvg
employs
violence.
Interrupters
these
individuals
come
from
the
area
where
they're
working
and
know
the
high
risk
individuals,
violence
interrupters
ideally
have
relationships
with
key
community
players.
Most
importantly,
they
are
respected
and
have
credibility
within
the
community.
G
G
These
individuals
are
present
to
express
to
those
involved
that
they
believe
a
mutually
beneficial
solution
is
possible.
Credible
messengers
validate
the
experiences
of
those
people
involved
in
the
conflict
in
large
part
because
they
have
common
life
experiences
with
the
major
players
in
the
situation.
G
Credible
messengers
are
skilled
at
getting
emotion
down
by
diverting
the
energy
of
the
situation
towards
new
thoughts,
reframing
the
situation
and
asking
questions.
The
credible
messenger
approach
is
founded
on
the
idea
that
behavior
change
is
based
on
peer
expectations
and
getting
advice.
Information
from
someone
you
trust
this
stands.
G
G
Next,
we
have
outreach
workers
who
focus
on
helping
change
behavioral
norms
in
the
community.
These
individuals
are
a
resource
at
critical
times.
They
are
role,
models,
establish
new
approaches
to
problem
solving
by
providing
new
information
and
creating
scenarios
for
individuals
to
develop
and
practice
new
skills.
G
G
This
is
a
breakdown
of
the
phases
of
engagement
with
cure
violence.
It
takes
about
12
to
18
months
to
go
from
initially
contracting
with
them
to
having
a
site
set
up
and
running
cure
violence
projects
around
six
to
eight
individuals
are
needed
to
provide
enough
support
once
the
program
is
set
up.
There
is
a
network
that
engages
and
shares
data
from
all
the
various
sites
globally
and
cure
violence
can
be
contracted
for
support.
G
Some
quick
data
on
the
effectiveness
of
cure
violence.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
definitely
significant
decreases
in
the
level
of
street
violence
when
a
cure
violence
program
is
set
up
and
running.
Something
to
note
is
that
this
data
only
shows
numbers
for
street
violence.
Domestic
violence
is
not
their
expertise
and
they
don't
consider
it
in
their
lane.
G
G
G
Abdul
hafid
bin,
abdullah,
co-founder
of
chasm
and
lead
chw
in
the
strive
program,
was
one
of
two
principal
chws
who
led
the
development
and
implementation
of
the
chw
violence
prevention
model
created
during
that
time
frame.
Abdul
is
currently
working
closely
with
the
cdc
to
publish
a
comprehensive
literature
review
on
chw's
in
violence
prevention,
with
the
strive
initiative
identified
as
the
key
program
under
review
chasm
identifies
three
primary
chw
violence
prevention
roles.
You
can
see
those
listed
there.
G
So
initially
chasm
asks
that
those
communities
they're
working
with
to
identify
two
of
the
five
core
strategies
for
initial
implementation
and
then
grow
from
there.
This
allows
the
initial
needs
of
the
community
to
be
met,
while
also
allowing
a
clear
pathway
for
moving
forward
with
the
other
three
strategies,
since
they
are
all
interlinked
and
support
one
another.
G
To
illustrate
how
chasm
employs
the
public
health
approach
to
violence
prevention?
This
this
slide
illustrates
the
image
of
the
nesting
factors
by
recognizing
that
all
these
factors,
individual
relationship,
community
and
societal
factors,
have
dynamic
interplay.
We
can
begin
to
appreciate
the
complex
causes
of
violence,
as
well
as
the
complexity
of
seeking
to
address
these
root
issues
from
the
cdc.
G
Besides
helping
to
clarify
these
factors,
the
social
ecological
model
also
suggests
that,
in
order
to
prevent
violence,
it
is
necessary
to
act
across
multiple
levels
of
the
model.
At
the
same
time,
this
approach
is
more
likely
to
sustain
prevention
efforts
over
time
and
achieve
population
level.
Impact
supporting
chasm
in
their
efforts
to
find
further
efficacy
in
the
social
ecological
framework
is
rumana.
Shams
robinen
masters
of
health
administration
romana
is
director
of
improvement,
science
and
policy
and
is
a
co-founder
of
chasm.
G
She's,
a
doctoral
student
and
robert
wood
johnson
health
policy,
research
scholar,
her
current
dissertation
work
is
looking
at
systematic
racism
that
community
health
workers
face
within
organizations
using
design
thinking,
systems,
thinking
and
implementation.
Science
ramana
is
also
one
of
the
co-chairs
for
the
north
carolina
chw
association.
G
We
briefly
look
at
the
chasm
stages
of
implementation.
They
report
there's
lots
of
room
for
tailoring
this
process
to
meet
the
communities
they're
working
with
the
distinct
difference
from
cure
violence.
Is
that
chasm
integrates
assessment
and
implementation
in
the
assessment
process,
regardless
of
which
model
we're
talking
about?
We
do
need
to
ask
some
basic
questions.
G
Is
the
community
invested
and
engaged?
Does
the
community
have
input
in
the
process?
Is
there
commitment
from
local
government?
Does
data
exist
about
violent
incidents,
to
focus,
monitor
and
measure
the
implementation
of
the
model?
Do
individuals
exist,
who
could
fulfill
the
role
of
chw,
and
is
there
a
relationship
of
trust
between
the
organization
and
the
community?
It's
working
with.
G
G
Cure
violence
has
a
much
longer
history.
They
started
in
chicago
in
2000
and
showed
immediate
results,
they're
familiar
with
the
challenges
that
exist
in
large
cities
and
they
are
focused
on
gun
and
street
violence
chasm
is
a
newer
program
began
in
wilmington
north
carolina.
Their
approach
is
broader.
With
the
five
core
strategies
there
is
more
community
advocacy
in
the
chasm
model.
Chw's
are
encouraged
to
join
committees
and
voice
community
concerns.
G
G
Okay,
so
what's
that
going
to
cost
sounds
like
great
stuff
costs
appear
similar
across
both
programs,
so
initial
startup
costs
that
go
directly
to
the
agencies.
Both
agencies
are
in
the
range
of
eighty
to
ninety
thousand
dollars
for
the
first
year
to
provide
training
and
support
similar
costs
year,
two
for
additional
support
costs
of
wages
of
individuals
to
provide
the
direct
services.
G
Until
we
have
an
actual
assessment,
we
won't
know
in
asheville
how
many
staff
would
be
needed
to
pull
off
one
of
the
programs,
but
we're
looking
at
about
four
to
six
individuals
who
would
be
employed
several
community
health
workers
supervisor
per
site.
So
those
are
that's
a
range
of
costs
there
for
really
wages
and
some
supplies.
A
E
B
Just
thanks
for
putting
this
together.
This
is
really
helpful
to
see
you
know
side
by
side
what
these
programs
bring
thanks.
Julia.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
showing
the
effectiveness
as
well.
That's
my
my
mind
goes
straight
to
that.
So
what
are
we?
What
has
happened
like
what
have
been
the
outcome?
So
thank
you
so
much
and
I
think
if
you
could
share
this
presentation
with
natalie
and
we'll
share
it
out
and
if
there
are
additional
questions
or
comments,
we'll
get
back
with
you
and
maybe
invite
you
back
and
maybe
rob
can
join
as
well
to
share
more
and
does
anybody
else
have
any
thoughts
on
this.
A
F
Curious
about
the
thinking
around
possibly
implementing
time
frame,
and
is
it
built
into
what
the
safety
and
justice
challenge
is
already
partnering
with
your
group
to
do
or
is
it
a
matter
of
going
and
identifying
resources.
G
Certainly,
identifying
resources
is
going
to
be
be
the
next
step.
We
see
this
particular
program
working
alongside
our
initiative,
that's
already
moving
forward,
so
there
would
be
significant
investment
required
and
those
are
conversations
hannah
and
I
have
begun
about
who
are?
G
E
You
want
to
add
anything
sure
I'll
just
say
you
know.
The
safety
and
justice
challenge
has
is
significantly
time
limited
and
that
we
have
another
year
of
funding
committed
to
this
foundational
work
that
that
spark
and
media
taught
me
that
and
rjc
and
emoji
have
laid
the
foundation
for,
but
to
really
significantly
commit
to
implementing
this
work
and
and
investing
in
making
it
sustainable.
A
All
right,
if
nothing
else,
thank
you
so
much
jackie
and
we'll
follow
up
if
we
need
some
follow-up,
all
right,
okay.
So
the
next
item
is
our
vice
chair,
jay
hackett,
europe,
community
violence,
strategic
plan,
update.
C
Okay,
so
in
in
in
keeping
with
the
the
community-based
energy
and
efforts
with
the
safety
and
justice
challenge
grant
and
the
work
we've,
we
started
back
in
june
designing
a
community-led,
violence,
prevention
and
safety
plan.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
the
idea
was
that
we
did
not
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
but
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
align
without
duplicating
and
then
how
could
we
build
upon
the
strong
work
that's
been
going
on
in
our
community,
but
sometimes
has
been
siloed
and
often
under
resourced?
C
C
With
this
concept
of
rowing
together,
we
wanted
to
promote
the
sense
of
community
as
a
driver
to
making
the
change,
although
the
work
that
is
done
is
is
happening
in
different
ways,
and
we
use
this
idea
and
this
concept
of
people
rowing
because
everybody's
in
a
different
position,
but
everybody's
rolling
together
and
the
idea
here,
is
that
the
community,
the
community,
is
both
the
driver
and
the
recipient,
almost
cyclical.
C
Then
we
wanted
to
based
on
the
the
contribution
and
the
research
that
rob
and
the
sjc
has
been
doing.
We
fully
embrace
a
violence
interruption
as
a
key
strategy
because
it
works
across
the
board,
and
so
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
The
idea
here
is
that
we
do
not
want
to
just
do
things
simply
because
they're
a
national
best
practice
or
simply
because
they're
doing
it
someplace
else,
but
we
want
to
do
things
that
that
are
a
best
practice,
things
that
are
evidence-based,
but
also
things
that
uplift,
the
local
voice
and
the
work
that's
already
been
done,
and
so
because
the
research
has
already
been
done
by
the
sjc.
C
We
would
like
to
use
that
and
present
that
as
the
as
the
driving
framework
for
how
we
proceed
so
there
were,
there
were
four
themes
and
these
themes
are
in
alignment
with
the
county's
racial
equity
plan,
and
these
themes
are
improving
the
social
and
built
environment.
C
What
the
community
is
saying
together
is
that
we
want
to
build
and
improve
recreational
spaces
inside
the
neighborhoods,
where
higher
crime
rates
have
been
reported,
and
so
this
is
the
line
with
the
national
best
practice
of
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
where
you
intentionally
design
recreational
spaces
and
places
in
spaces
where,
where
crime
has
been
reported-
and
that's
that
helps
turn
the
tide.
The
second
key
strategy
that
there
was
strong
alignment
with
is
decreasing
access
to
weapons
and
other
lethal
means
all
right.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
The
next
theme
was
supporting
healthy
youth
development
and
improving
school
climate.
One
of
the
significant
things
that
came
out
was
that
that
students
are
going
to
school
and
they
are
in
fear
in
some
of
our
conversations.
C
One
of
our
our
sessions
was
totally
youth
led
and
the
youth
were
able
to
talk
freely
and
adults
were
not
able
to
speak
at
all
and
the
youth
said
that
lots
of
people
carry
guns
to
school
and
nobody
knows
it
and
the
reason
that
they're
carrying
guns,
not
because
they
want
to
cause
violence
but
because
they're
afraid
also
our
youth
are
experiencing
social
pressure
because
of
social
media.
The
the
stress
that
happens
at
school
no
longer
stays
at
school.
C
It
follows
them
at
home,
follows
them
home
and
the
youth
are
seeking
they're
seeking
role
models
and
they're
seeking
mentors
that
care.
So
this
is
some
of
the
things
that
were
requested
that
the
county
would
invest
in
by
pocket
and
community
lab
programs
and
organizations
that
are
committed
to
youth
achievement
through
mentoring
after
school
college
and
career
readiness,
peer
support,
social,
emotional
learning
and
family
and
school
partnerships,
etc.
C
There
were
organizations
that
we
regularly
call
upon,
and
these
organizations
have
shoestring
budgets,
though
they're
doing
such
dramatically
powerful
work
in
the
community,
and
we
would
we
would
encourage
county
to
invest
in
them
next
to
support
the
depth
and
scale
of
the
community
school
strategy
as
an
evidence-based
strategy
for
equitable
school
improvement.
C
So
the
community
school
strategy
we've
saw
alignment
all
across
these
last
seven
months
of
meeting
to
the
point
that
we
would
like
to
support
the
depth
and
the
scale
of
that
strategy
across
schools
and
how
it
connects
with
communities
next
to
engage
united
for
youth
network
as
a
collective
impact
infrastructure.
C
Now
the
united
future
network
is
not
a
project
in
and
of
itself,
but
it
provides
an
infrastructure
for
aligned
and
coordinated
youth
development,
and
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
Integrate
restorative
practices
through
relevant
departments
and
also
create
opportunities
for
community
service
with
peer
support
specialists,
invest
in
youth
leadership,
and
this
was
a
significant
one
that
we
can
actually
solve.
Some
of
our
work,
local
workforce
gap
problems
and
some
of
our
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
in
our
communities
that
involve
youth
by
hiring
and
engaging
youth
to
both
design
and
operate
youth,
centered
places
and
spaces.
C
Now
this
includes
you
know,
parks
and
recreation
activities,
recreational
activity
and
even
some
of
the
jobs
that
counties
or
municipal
municipalities
or
anchor
institutions,
jobs
that
they
may
have
that
do
not
necessarily
require
a
degree,
but
a
person
can
come
in
and
learn
through
whether
internships
apprenticeships
are
on
the
job
training,
but
actually
look
at
our
local
youth
to
hire
them.
This
would
also
prevent
the
the
the
migration
of
youth
that
leave
our
county
once
they've
come
of
age.
All
right,
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
We
like
to
cultivate
a
thriving
workforce,
economic
development
opportunity
by
recruiting
hiring
and
training
local
youth
and
coming
of
age.
Adults
in
those
positions.
Increased
coordination
of
job
programs
and
re-engagement
centers
advertise
in
places
and
spaces
that
are
frequented
by
marginalized
groups
create
easily
accessible
data
that
that
show
incarceration
rates.
Compare
with
to
economic
status.
C
One
of
the
challenges
that
we
experienced
was
that
in
pulling
data,
there
were
other
counties
in
the
country
that
have
done
this
type
work
and
they
have
centralized
data,
but
our
county
did
not
have
the
data
centralized
and
you
know,
although
the
county
county
staff
was
very
willing
to
help,
it
took
them
away
from
from
their
work
and
they
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
create
the
same
type
of
data
sets
that
other
counties
had,
and
this
is
a
strong
recommendation
that
we
create
easily
accessible
data,
that's
aligned
with
those
national
standards.
C
You
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
next
and
last.
We
want
to
create
narratives
of
hope
and
safety
and
community.
So
we
want
to
facilitate
transformative
justice
model
conversations
with
locals
and
law
enforcement,
but
also
we
want
to
launch
a
educational
campaign
through
social
media
to
the
general
public
about
magistrate.
C
C
The
the
next
few
slides
are
some
tables
that
show
people's
response
to
the
level
of
priority
and
time
frame.
This
is
what
community
recommended
and
and
go
to
the
previous
slide.
Please.
C
Each
of
those
strategies
that
are
named
here
are
noted
in
the
table
and
you'll
be
able
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
the
the
level
of
priority
that
community
mentioned
and
the
time
frame
that
folks
imagined
it
could
happen
again.
That's
from
the
community
perspective
one
one
of
the
potential
funding
opportunities
that
that
we
see
if
we
take
the
cure
violence
or
the
casual
model
or
some
some
combination
of
those
along
with
the
priorities
and
key
strategies
that
the
community
has
has
spoken
about.
C
There
is
an
upcoming
funding
opportunity
coming
from
the
department
of
labor
and
the
eta.
The
employment
training
administration
called
the
pathway
home
grant.
This
is
a
grant
of
about
four
million
dollars
that
spreads
over
three
years
and
it
would
fund
this
entire
work.
It
is
a
100
grant
that
does
not
require
matching
funds,
but
it
does
require
law
enforcement
to
participate,
whether
it
is
the
police
department
or
the
sheriff
and
years
prior.
The
sheriff's
office
was
absolutely
in
support
and
the
justice
services
department
remains
in
support
of
this
type
of
thing.
C
The
grant
comes
available.
It
was
expected
to
become
available
february,
the
8th,
so
it
would
be
announced
by
the
us
department
of
labor
any
day.
Now
it
would
be
wonderful
if,
if
the
community
and
those
stakeholders,
partners
or
anybody
that's
interested,
would
align
to
support
an
application,
no
matter
where
it
originated,
an
application
for
the
pathway
home
grant
to
support
this
work,
the
amount
of
4
million
over
the
next
3
years.
A
All
right,
jay
and
I
know
you've
been
working
really
closely
with
both
organizations
on
this
on
this
work.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
add.
E
Thanks
yeah,
I'm
thanks
y'all
for
having
us
be
able
to
come
share
and
thank
you
so
much
to
to
jay
and
to
jackie
and
all
of
the
partners.
Who've
been
so
deeply
invested
in
this
work
and
really
committed
to
community
voice
and
community
input
as
really
driving
this
process.
E
I
think
one
question
that
I
put
out
there
is
it'd
be
great.
If
any
of
you
have
recommendations
for
if
there's
anything
that
needs
to
be
added
to
these
recommendations
or
and
and
or
requests
before,
taking
them
further.
I
know
that
there's
it's
also
been.
It's
been
great.
That
there's
been
you
know
the
safety
and
justice
challenges
hosted
by
the
county.
E
There's
been
a
lot
of
city
collaboration
in
this
effort.
We're
really
grateful
for
that
as
well,
and
so
continuing
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
collaboration
with
the
city
would
be
critical
to
really
sustainably
advancing
this
work
so
yeah.
If
there's
any
questions
or
input
from
the
j-rec,
we
really
appreciate
it.
C
Okay,
the
the
pathway
home
grant
the
the
the
the
department
of
labor
it's.
It
says
that
it's
estimated
to
be
announced
to
be
released
on
february,
the
8th.
C
C
See
the
turnaround
on
it,
yeah
it'll
be
announced
on
february,
the
8th
and
the
estimate.
Oh,
they
haven't
published
what
the
due
date
is.
Normally
the
due
date
is
like
45
days.
The
the
great
thing
is
that
there
is
a
draft
of
the
grant
already
written
and
feedback
already
received
from
years
prior,
so
it
wouldn't
have
to
start
from
scratch.
If
anybody
in
the
community
wanted
to
lead
it,
I
mean
especially
with
the
support
of
this
body,
but
it's
expected
to
be
announced.
On
february,
the
8th.
E
I'll
say,
jay
and
I've
talked
some
of
the
pathway
home
and
I'm
if
we
I'm
curious
when
that
is
released,
if
we
can
kind
of
confirm
how
it
aligns
with
some
of
the
key
recommendations
coming
out
of
this
there's
there's
also
a
lot
of
federal
interest
in
violence,
prevention,
programs
and
violence.
Intervention
programs
right
now
coming
through
the
the
white
house,
has
been
really
vocal
about
supporting
this
type
of
work.
E
E
That
type
of
federal
grant
rachel,
as
I
know
you
know,
would
be
a
huge
lift.
Luckily,
I
think
that
with
the
foundation
that
that
jay
and
jackie
and
all
the
partners
who've
come
together
for
this
work
have
been
laying.
We
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
groundwork,
pointing
us
in
the
direction
for
how
to
frame
one
of
those
applications.
If
we
decide
to
pursue
that,
I
do
know
also
that
you
know
cities
across
the
country.
E
I've
leveraged
arpa
funds
for
violence,
intervention,
work,
there's
been,
and
then
there's
also
a
matter
of
like
in
charlotte
that
recently
they've
been
building
towards
a
cure,
violence
model
and
finally
implemented
it
about
a
year
ago
or
actually
sorry,
this
past
summer
and
that's
a
city
county
collaboration
where
they're
both
investing
local
government
dollars
into
implementing
this.
That
model
network.
C
One
one
point,
I'd
like
to
add:
there's
been
a
a
continued,
a
continued
statement
or
outcry
that
some
of
our
grassroots
agencies
that
are
on
the
front
lines
doing
this
work
lack
capacity
and,
of
course,
we
keep
pulling
on
them.
C
Some
of
those
ideas
are
maybe
a
centralized
admin
support
team
for
agencies
that
are
doing
frontline
work
that
don't
have
as
much
administrative
capacity
that
there
could
possibly
be
some
type
of
strategy
or
funding
or
plan
to
have
a
centralized
admin
support
team
to
handle
those
things
that
the
folks
that
are
on
the
front
line,
don't
don't
always
and
really
should
not
be
responsible
for
always
handling
on
their
own.
C
F
I
will
say:
I've
had
some
brainstorming
discussions
with
the
resourcing
team
at
dogwood
health
trust
they've
got
a
sort
of
a
division
within
the
foundation
dedicated
toward
trying
to
support
that
capacity
building.
So
I
think
that
they
would
welcome
hearing
from
providers
that
might
be
interested
in
going
in
together
on
some
of
that
admin
capacity,
support.
A
Anybody
else
this
is,
I
think
I
said
at
the
start
of
this
meeting,
that
this
was
exciting.
We're
gonna
do
some
exciting
updates
right.
We
found
ourselves
a
year
ago,
we're
still
in
it,
but
a
year
or
so
ago,
really
concerned
about
the
violence
in
our
community,
and
we
want
to
know
what
what
can
we
do,
and
so
you
know
we
we
study
right.
We
want
to
study
it
understand
what
our
needs
are,
and
so
these
two
two
groups
have
done
that
and
they've
evaluated.
A
You
know
in
providing
actionable
steps
for
us
to
move
forward,
so
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
us
to
really
consider
review
and
see
where
we
want
to
support
moving
forward.
I
will
say
that
I
know
that
a
question
that
our
board
will
have
is
what
does
j-racks
think
about
these
suggestions,
so
don't
be
afraid
to
share
your
thoughts
on
it
and
any
suggestions
on
how
we
can
move
that
forward
for
additional
consideration.
A
You
might
just
be
not
immediate
all
right,
all
right,
thank
you,
jay
and
hannah.
So
much
for
this
work
and
this
update
is
there
gonna,
be
a
a
document
of
sorts
that
can
be
shared
with
this
with
this
body
or
with
any
others
that
are
interested
in
the
deliverable.
C
Yes,
with
this
with
the
community
safety
and
violence
prevention
plan,
the
document
that
you
or
the
presentation
you
just
saw
is
a
semi-final
draft.
It's
not
finalized
we're
meeting
with
the
the
the
team
to
pull
together
the
final
pieces
of
it
and
it's
supported
by
another,
pretty
long
research
document,
but
but
yeah.
So
there
will
be
a
very
final
draft
that
you
all
should
expect
within
this
month.
D
C
C
Well,
each
of
the
I
can
answer
from
this
part
hannah.
You
you'll,
probably
have
more
more
details
from
all
the
other
meetings,
but
regarding
the
safety,
violence,
prevention
and
safety
plan,
we've
had
representation
from
the
sheriff's
department
and
asheville
police.
Initially,
both
the
sheriff
and
the
chief
were
there
themselves
and
have
been
when
they're
scheduled
out
and
whenever
they
couldn't
they,
they
sent
representatives
and
they
were
participating
in
in
one-on-one
meetings
and
always
open
for
planning
and
discussions.
C
Both
officers
were
also
open
to
data
sharing
and
whenever
gaps
were
identified,
they
agreed
that
you
know.
If
we
had
more,
we
could
do
more.
So
we
we
felt
extremely
supported
and
specifically
to
like,
when
I
referenced,
that
pathway
home
grant.
It
was
written
before
and
submitted
before
with
the
full
support
of
the
sheriff's
office,
and
they
have
figured
out
a
strategy
to
do
it.
Regrettably,
it
was
not
awarded,
but
they
remain
very,
very,
very
ready
to
to
do
it.
C
D
E
And
I
will
say
the
sheriff
and
apd
were
were
more
present
at
the
start
of
this
process.
So
I
don't
think
that
they've
been.
They
have
been
a
part
of
the
these
kind
of
final
round
of
recommendations
yet,
and
we
would
love
to
re-engage
folks
and
make
sure
that
this
round
of
the
kind
of
finalizing
bringing
together
recommendations
is
really
brought
to
them
directly.
E
And
I
know
that
jackie
with
spark-
and
my
daddy
taught
me
that
have
had
numerous
conversations
with
law
enforcement
leadership
over
the
past
year,
also
trying
to
think
through
this.
E
And
I
know
that
in
looking
at
cure,
violence
and
chasm
models,
questions
of
how
the
relationship
and
interactions
and
dynamics
between
the
community
community
health
workers
and
outreach
workers
and
law
enforcement
is
a
is
a
critical
piece
of
the
work
and
research
that
the
rdc
has
been
doing.
And
there
are
some
documents.
E
Jackie
took
what
was
originally
an
hour-long
presentation
and
condensed
it
down
for
y'all
today.
But
we
do
have
links
to
the
rjc's
full
hour-long,
both
kind
of
slides,
as
well
as
as
well
as
a
kind
of
research
document.
And
if
you
have
access,
I
haven't
figured
out
how
to
share
outside
of
the
county
within
the
county.
I
have.
I
have
the
ability
to
share
a
link
to
a
recording
of
the
full
hour-long
presentation
that
rob
gave
us
last
month.
A
Good
good
good
stuff,
I
hope
you
all
see
that
really
the
way
the
agenda
has
been
set
up.
All
of
it's
really
connected
right.
We
started
talking
about
jail
population
and
what
we
know
that
some
of
the
folks
with
the
longest
length
of
stay
in
our
jail
are
in
for
violent,
some
of
them
in
for
violent
offenses
right,
and
so
it
it's
going
to
take.
It's
going
to
take
community
support
community
engagement,
folks,
working
on
the
ground
to
help
improve
the
environment
and
decrease
community
violence.
A
It's
going
to
take
conversations
about
how
we
can
be
more
efficient
in
our
court
system
to
really
see
some
positive
outcomes,
so
it
takes
all
of
us.
Basically,
of
course,
it's
going
to
take
support
from
our
our
local
jurisdictions,
from
a
funding
and
sustainability
perspective
to
really
move
the
needle.
So
I
think
we
all
have
the
same
goal
right.
We
want
a
safer
community.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
thrive
in
our
communities,
regardless
of
where
they
are,
and
so
it
takes
all
of
us,
and
so
this
this.
A
For
me,
this,
this
j-wrap
meeting
has
really
shown
how
we
can
do
things
differently
together
and
again,
actionable
things
right.
Sometimes
we
feel
I
do
feel
like
paralyzed
like
what
can
we
do?
What
can
we
do?
How
can
we
invest?
How
can
we
move
the
needle,
and
I
think
we
have
some
opportunities
here
and
so.
A
Talking
about
it,
but
don't
talk
about
it
too
long.
Let's
talk
about
it
and
see
how
we
can
move
some
stuff
forward
here
for
our
community
that
we
love
so
much.
I
have
a
daughter
in
the
middle
in
asheville
middle
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
get
alerts
about.
You
know
violent
things
happening
in
the
schools,
and
so
we
all
have
a
vested
interest
in
in
you
know
improving
the
environment
for
everybody
here.
So
that's
all
I
have
on
that
one.
A
The
next
one
is.
The
next
item
is
announcements
and
departmental
updates.
If
there's
anything
from
your
office,
your
organization,
that
you
want
to
provide
an
update
to
this
body
on
you
can
do
so
at
this
time
and
I'll
just
mute
and
let
you
all
jump
in.
C
Considering
that
the
the
county
has
embraced
them
as
a
public
health
and
safety
crisis,
I
want
to
recommend
to
any
and
every
organization
and
and
person
represented
here,
find
some
way
to
be
involved
in
like
history,
on
celebrations
and
and
opportunities
to
show
up
and
to
the
degree
that
it's
appropriate.
Let
folks
know
that
you're
part
of
the
the
j-rack
like
so
that
people
do
not
see
this
at
some
time,
some
type
of
disassociated
body,
but
they
know
you
know
that
j-rack
was
there.
C
However,
it
is
that
you
choose
to
get
involved,
whether
with
schools,
community
agencies
etc.
Whatever
it
is
but
show
your
face,
it
goes
a
long
way
and
then
in
zoom
world
just
show
your
zoom
face,
but
let
folks
know
that
you're
from
j-rack,
not
just
there
as
an
individual
but
from
your
counties,
j-rack.
A
So
we
do
have
a
few
minutes
left
here.
I
want
to
give
space
for
any
public
comment.
I
can't
tell
if
we
have
any
vanessa
or
natalie.
Have
you
seen
any
indication
for
public
comment?
Okay,
all
right!
A
I
really
anticipated
and
hoped
that
we
would
be
in
person
here
for
the
february
meeting,
but
it
you
know
wasn't
in
the
stars,
and
so
if
we
see
improvement
in
our
case
counts
in
our
metrics
with
regards
to
kovit,
we'll
probably
send
out
a
message
to
you
all
to
see
if
there's
some
comfort
or
interest
in
gathering
together
safely
by
april,
if
not
we'll
be
back
on
zoom
and
that's
okay
right
so
until
we
we
all
can
get
together
safely,
we'll
we'll
get
together
how
we
can,
if
nothing
else,
I
will
take
consent
to
adjourn
any
objection
to
german
at
1
44
pm.