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Something
joel's
here
tim
looks
like
we're:
waiting
for
yeah,
andy
dot,.
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F
So
maybe,
while
see
we're
waiting
on
andy
andy's
a
long-serving
board
member,
so
he's
not.
I
won't
say
anything:
that's
gonna
cause
him
to
miss
out,
but
maybe
we
can
go
ahead
and
just
do
some
staff
introductions
to
start
with
you.
Okay,
with
that,
mr
mr
moore.
D
D
Okay,
well
at
this
time,
we'll
now
call
to
order
the
september
9th
2020
board
of
adjustment
virtual
hearing.
We
can
go
ahead
and
start
with
staff
introductions.
H
K
Good
morning
board
members,
my
name
is
nathan
pennington,
I'm
the
planning
director
here
at
buncombe
county,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
few
minutes.
I
know
some
of
you.
I've
worked
with
some
of
you
before,
and
some
of
you
have
never
met
before
so
welcome
virtually
from
our
office
here
at
46
valley
street.
We're
happy
to
have
you
on
board.
K
You're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
passion
from
citizens
of
this
county.
You
will
see
criticism.
I
won't
sugarcoat
that
we've
got
some
great
training
materials
for
you.
We'll
talk
about
this
this
little
book
here
that
each
of
you
will
get
a
copy
of
and
if
you're,
very
interested,
we'll
talk
about
this
950
page
book
here
that
we
can
also
discuss
as
well.
K
But
I'm
here,
if
you
need
anything,
if
you
ever
have
any
question,
you
don't
ever
hesitate
to
pick
up
a
phone
and
give
me
a
call
personally,
that's
what
I
would
offer
each
and
every
one
of
you.
I
just
want
to
sincerely
thank
you
for
joining
this
board
and
working
with
us
on
behalf
of
the
planning
department
of
bunker
county.
Thank
you.
F
Now
I'll
go
next
joshua
freeman,
I'm
the
development
services
manager,
which
is
the
same
thing,
is
basically
the
zoning
administrator
for
bunker
county.
F
F
I'm
usually
the
one
to
blame
if
things
are
not
in
your
agenda
packet,
so,
for
example,
you
got
the
staff
report
yesterday.
That
was
my
fault
for
not
getting
it
out
with
the
regular
agenda
and
so,
like
nate
said
we're
all
very
happy
to
have
you
guys
here.
It's
a
largely
a
new
board
and-
and
it
takes
a
long
time
to
to
learn
the
mechanics
of
of
what
this
board
does.
F
So,
if
you
ever
feel
yourself
feeling
lost
or
frustrated,
please
speak
up
and
we
can
always
stop
and
regroup
and
and
do
some
kind
of
off-the-cuff
training.
In
addition
to
that,
you'll
be
getting
some
training
today
before
you
hear
your
first
case
and
then
we'll
be
scheduling,
some
regular
training
after
that.
For
each
of
you
in
this
time
of
code
and
and
pre-coded,
we
would
be
sending
you
to
training
classes
either
here
in
asheville
or
sometimes
even
down
in
chapel
hill.
B
Welcome
I'm
shannon
kepansali
and
I'm
a
planner
with
the
department,
I'm
mostly
going
to
be
providing
technical
support.
If
you
have
issues
with
links
getting
online,
you
can
ask
me
questions
about
documents
as
well
the
website
anything
related
to
that
and
the
public
engagement
portion.
So
you
can
always
get
me
by
email
or
phone
if
you're
having
any
issues
or
if
you
get
bumped
out
of
this
meeting
too,
you
can
reach
me
and
I
can
get
you
back
in.
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J
That
was
very
kind.
I
feel
the
same
way
about
her
chair,
I'm
brandon
freeman.
I
work
in
the
legal
department
for
bunking
county.
I
represent
several
county
departments
and
and
advise
this
board
on
legal
matters.
I
also
handle
little
litigation
for
the
for
the
county
in
some
matters,
working
with
the
board
of
adjustment,
the
planning
board
are
or
two
things
that
I
that
I
very
much
enjoy.
J
I
want
to
echo
what
nate
said
about
how
grateful
we
are
to
have
such
dedicated
citizens
who
want
to
come
here
and
and
work
on
this
board.
It
is
difficult-
and
this
is
this-
is
really
a
great
experience
for
sort
of
learning
the
judicial
process
and
it's
it's
tough
work.
We
really
just
appreciate
you
being.
D
B
Sure,
just
for
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
today,
if
you'd
like
more
information
about
the
applications
that
are
being
reviewed,
the
meeting
information
or
how
public
hearings
work,
you
can
visit
the
buncombe
county
planning
and
development
website
and
click
on
the
development
projects
button
and
be
able
to
download
documents,
application
documents
and
meeting
information.
That
way,
if
you're,
watching
from
facebook
today
and
you'd
like
to
participate
in
the
meeting,
you'll
need
to
enter
the
zoom
meeting,
and
you
can
do
that
by
using
the
link.
B
If
you
are
in
the
zoom
meeting,
and
you
would
like
to
speak
to
county
staff
or
make
a
request
to
speak,
you
can
use
the
question
and
answer
box,
that's
in
zoom
and
then
just
for
the
board
members
keep
in
mind
that
there
might
be
up
to
a
20
second
delay
between
our
meeting
and
what
people
are
seeing
in
the
public.
So
it
might
take
a
little
extra
time
for
someone
to
request
to
speak
or
ask
a
question.
D
Thank
you
shannon
all
right,
I
will
go
ahead
and
introduce
myself
and
then
we
can
start
the
formal
part
of
the
meeting.
My
name
is
martin
moore,
I'm
the
board
chair
have
been
for
about
a
year
at
this
point
in
my
day
job
I'm
an
attorney
at
the
van
winkle
law
firm.
I
work
on
a
lot
of
real
estate,
land
use
and
commercial
litigation
tasks
there.
D
So
I
have
a
pretty
decent
legal
background,
but
I
draw
on
you
guys
with
your
various
experience,
particularly
I
I
think
a
lot
of
you
have
a
lot
of
real
estate
experience
and
some
of
you
might
have
even
more
familiarity
with
with
the
ins
and
outs
of
what
that
world
looks
like
than
I
do.
So.
I
think
we
work
pretty
well
as
a
team
to
bring
our
collective
knowledge,
bring
our
collective
experience
and
I'm
happy
to
navigate
some
of
the
murky
legal
waters
that
that
we
get
into
and
having
these
quasi-judicial
hearings.
D
But
truly
everybody
brings
their
own
expertise
here
and
I
I
value
as
having
a
diverse
board,
not
consisting
solely
of
real
estate,
folks
but
or
lawyers,
but
a
healthy
amalgamation
of
all
of
those
skill
sets.
So
that's
the
role
that
I've
served
in
and
we
generally
get
started
fairly
quickly
on
these.
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
rolling
without
andy
for
the
present
time.
If
he
joins
us
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
an
announcement
for
the
record,
so
we
don't
have
any
issues
there
about
not
disclosing
who
our
voting
board
members
are.
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D
We
generally
start
with
announcements,
roll
call
of
members,
disclosure
of
ex
party
communications
conflicts,
everything
on
your
agenda,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
roll
call,
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
new
members
and
if
you
don't
mind
offering
just
a
brief
introduction,
so
I
can
be
familiar
with
your
your
background
and
whatever
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
board
just
what
you
do
for
a
living
and
what
brought
you
to
apply
for
the
board
of
adjustment.
I'd
love
to
hear
from
you
and
the
first
on
my
screen.
D
Let's
see
if
you
want
to
start
in
alphabetical
order,
haley
do
you
know
who's
first
up,
I
have
a
bunch
of
names
on
my
screen
here.
D
I
Hey
everybody,
I'm
carla
barnard,
I
was
a
commercial
real
estate
attorney
and
I'm
not
a
commercial
broker.
I
I'm
a
new
member
to
the
board
and
I
applied
because
I
have
not
historically
done
enough
civic
duty
or-
and
I
wanted
to
try
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
input
into
the
direction
of
our
community,
and
I
felt
like
this
particular
board
resonated
the
most.
With
my
experience
and
I
thought
it'd
be
the
most
useful
on
it.
M
That's
fine,
hey
gabe
quisenberry,
thanks
for
looking
forward
to
this.
My
background
been
in
the
land
development
business
for
25
years.
Excuse
me,
I'm
a
licensed
professional
engineer
been
in
the
consulting
side.
I
now
work
for
tanoka
construction,
brad
and
tim
goodman.
Here
I've
been
in
buncombe
county
for
14
years.
L
L
You
know
I
come
from
a
historically
real
estate
family,
so
I've
been
around
real
estate
for
a
while,
but
that's
not
what
my
day
job
is
right
now,
so
I'm
excited
to
be
here
and
serve
and
I
work
in
fairview.
So
I
see
they
can
you
know.
I
see
the
community
and
I
see
what's
being
developed
out
there
and
I
can
be
a
part
of
it.
L
H
Hi,
I'm
paul
kellman,
I'm
an
alternate
member
of
the
board.
I'm
a
retired
city,
planner
and
civil
engineer
spent
about
40
years
in
various
positions,
mostly
in
the
atlanta
area,
been
a
resident
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county
for
the
past
11
years,
full
time
since
january
and
thought
it
would
be
time.
H
The
other,
where
I
typically
have
been
as
a
staff
member
in
city
planning
for
many
years
instead
to
be
in
more
of
a
decision-making
position.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
let's
say
an
internship
as
an
alternate
member
and
then
one
of
these
days,
maybe
being
an
active
member
of
the
board.
N
Hey
I'm
tim
henderson
born
and
raised
here
took
a
circuitous
path
to
get
back
here.
I've
been
in
the
area
for
about
the
last
five
years,
I'm
an
attorney.
I
work
in
the
public
defender's
office
working
with
folks
from
all
around
the
county
and
that
doesn't
really
have
any
necessary
real
estate
background,
but
it's
interesting
the
way
that
these
types
of
fields
overlap.
This
is
a
new
area
of
law.
N
O
Good
morning,
everyone
what's
the
green
local
to
the
area
and
grew
up
here.
I
have
a
state
farm
agency
in
the
area,
but
also
have
a
background
in
doing
new
construction
houses
and
renovated
houses
and
just
have
an
interest
in
our
county
as
we
continue
to
grow
and
have
people
move
here
and
look
forward
to
serving
in
any
capacity.
P
Yeah
hi,
my
name,
is
joel
originally
from
ohio,
but
I
spent
my
career
like
35
years
in
washington,
dc,
started
off
a
science
teacher
and
then
got
my
other
government.
Somehow
career
government
of
politics
was
very
active
in
community
civic
affairs,
especially
development.
P
Okay,
I've
been
down
here
about
eight
years,
I'm
retired,
but
I
also
serve
on
the
county.
Land
conservation
advisory
board
been
active,
sierra
club
and
also
teach
at
the
unca
college
for
seniors.
D
D
Typically,
I
you
can
chat
with
dot
or
andy
or
any
of
our
members
who
have
been
here
for
quite
some
time.
I
try
to
stay
in
a
little
bit
of
a
facilitator
role
to
avoid
any
type
of
undue
influence
on
decision
making.
I
want
to
encourage
an
atmosphere
of
people
being
able
to
offer
their
own
thoughts
inquiries
and
concerns
this
one.
I'm
going
to
steer
a
little
bit
more,
hopefully
without
crossing
into
a
line
of
swaying
you
one
way
or
the
other.
I
want
everyone
to
make
their
own
independent
decisions.
D
D
I
know
you
guys
are-
are
in
a
unique
spot
of
having
very
little
to
judge
that
on
at
this
point
it
being
the
first
meeting
for
most
of
you,
but
since
that
is
something
we
have
to
do
by
by
ordinance
and
statute
under
the
law.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
to
mind
our
p's
and
q's
and
do
that
honor
that
right
now
in
this
typical
case,
all
parties
who
are
currently
sitting
are
allowed
to
vote
will
accept
nominations
at
this
time.
D
We'll
do
both
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
position,
but
we'll
start
with
the
chair
I'll
open
the
floor
now
for
any
nominations
for
the
chair.
F
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I
am
doc
cordell.
I
am
a
member
and
have
been
for
a
couple
of
years.
I
have
a
background
in
legal
assistance,
real
estate
law
and
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
the
ordinances
that
the
county
has.
I
would
like
to
nominate
martin
moore
as
chair.
D
Thank
you
carla.
I
appreciate
it.
We
have
a
second
any
discussion
before
we
allow
a
vote
you're
allowed
to
offer
any
insight
or
input
you
want
at
this
point.
D
C
C
Okay,
we
can
only
have
seven
people
voting
the
way
people
got
back
to
me.
So
I
think
you
have
to
decide
who
I
guess.
Brandon
knows
the
language
better
than
I
do,
but.
J
Just
jump
in
for
this,
I
think
that
we
could
probably
just
have
regular
members
vote,
there's
a
quorum
of
regular
members,
and
I
think
that
when
we
need
the
alternates
it'll
be
for
the
variance
that's
coming
up
later
in
the
agenda,
I
would
leave
it
at
the
chair's
discretion
whether
at
this
point
to
go
ahead
and
select
the
ordinances
of
the
chair,
she'll
select,
which
alternate
members
serve
during
a
meeting.
It
looks
like
we
have
five
regular
members
here
today
and
we
need
two
alternates.
I
believe
four
alternates
are
present.
J
The
county
is
working
on
a
procedure
to
to
try
and
streamline
this
process
and
make
it
a
little
more
predictable
for
both
regular
members
and
alternates
to
know
what
their
schedule
is
going
to
be
and
as
much
time
in
advance
as
possible.
We
don't
have
that
quite
nailed
down
yet
and
it's
complicated
with
the
the
current
pandemic
and
zoom
situation.
We
have
so
for
today
we're
sorry
for
any
inconvenience,
but
we
do
have
four
alternate
members
here
today
and
I
believe
only
room
for
two
to
serve
mr
chair.
J
I
would
leave
it
in
your
discretion
is
whether
to
make
that
decision
now
and
then
have
a
vote
with
seven
people
for
the
election
of
officers
or
just
use
the
five
regular
members
who
do
make
up
a
quorum
of
the
board.
And
I
think
that's
a
decision
for
you
to
make.
D
I
I
will
invite
input
on
that
one
only
because,
since
the
first
thing
we're
doing
is
voting
on
on
the
position
that
I
currently
hold.
That's
a
I
want
to
avoid
any
appearance
of
impropriety
there,
so
I
would
defer
either
to
dot
as
the
next
most
senior
member
on
the
call
or
yourself
in
terms
of
what
your
preferences
would
be,
but
only
for
this
specific
issue,
just
full
candor.
In
terms
of
what
we're
dealing
with
I
I'm
happy
to
to
select
based
on
kind
of
who
responded.
D
C
So
going
forward,
I
guess
if
you
wanted
to
follow
brendan's
advice
to
use
regular
members
in
this
case,
because
you
only
need
the
five
and
then
the
sixth
person
would
be.
The
first
alternate
that
answered
me,
which
would
be
joel.
C
You
need
seven
people
for
barbarians,
okay.
Well,
then
it
was.
C
H
J
J
And
that
leaves
wesley
and
paul
as
observers
in
this
meeting
wesley
and
paul
we're
glad
you
you're
here,
it's
it's.
It's
sometimes
nice
to
have
extra
members
at
the
hearing.
For
a
few
reasons.
One
is
that
you
can
observe
and
it'll
it'll
seem
a
little
more
familiar
when
you
do
have
to
step
in
and
act
as
a
member.
J
Also,
in
the
event
that
this
meeting
was
continued
and
we
needed
someone
to
step
in,
you
would
have
already
been
here
for
a
lot
of
the
meeting
and
and
could
could
slide
into
one
of
those
one
of
those
spots
and
continue
on
that's
something.
We've
talked,
that's
never
actually
happened,
but
it's
something
we've
talked
about
that
couldn't
be
a
benefit.
C
D
Once
we
don't
have
this
preliminary
issue,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
the
disclosure
of
expert
communications
and
conflicts
of
interest
once
we
get
to
that
section,
we'll
have
a
good
idea
of
who
is
actually
going
to
be
eligible
to
vote
on
each
project,
and
that
will
allow
us
to
make
the
most
use
of
all
the
alternates
that
we
have,
because
there
are
times
that
we
have
conflicts
of
interest
just
due
to
our
respective
fields,
not
the
issue.
D
In
this
case
I
imagine,
but
in
general,
that's
how
we'll
we'll
address
it
and
having
multiple
board
members
is
essential
for
us.
So
I
appreciate
all
of
all
of
you
being
here
with
that
in
mind
with
the
seven
folks
we
have
who
are
voting,
I
would
encourage,
especially
since
the
project
is
not
set
to
take
all
that
long
as
best
I
can
tell
for
the
two
alternates
to
to
remain
just
to
kind
of
take
note
of
how
the
procedure
goes.
F
Yeah
I'll
just
say
I
I
hope
everybody
sticks
around,
and
I
will
also
say
brandon
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago,
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on
a
process
for
getting
having
clarity
as
to
who's
going
to
be
serving
and
voting
on
on
upcoming
meetings.
F
We're
going
to
try
to
build
into
that
sort
of
a
rotation
schedule
so
that
all
the
alternates
are
are
getting
some
fairly
regular
opportunities
to
to
vote
and
and
participate
in
meetings
so
that
you
you're
not
just
kind
of
out
there
by
yourself
and
that
you're
getting
the
training
you
need.
So
so.
On
that
note,
I
would
actually
encourage
every
member
who
can
come
to
every
meeting
to
do
so,
just
for
the
exposure
and
the
experience
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
getting
into
our
retention
cycle.
So
you're
all
getting
some
practical
experience
as
well.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
indulging
that.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
with
a
second
on
the
table
that
is
up
for
vote.
I'm
gonna
do
the
roll
call
vote
by
name
in
order
that
was
just
listed
by
our
staff,
starting
with
dot
the
motion
being
for
voting
for
myself
as
chair.
G
P
D
M
D
P
D
N
D
L
I
A
I
D
I
apologize
I'm
sitting
here,
checking
off
names
before
I
even
got
to
you.
I
apologize
all
right,
so
that's
you
know
with
my
abstention.
We
have
a
full
count
there.
Thank
you
very
much
dot.
Thank
you.
Everyone,
please
feel
free
to
critique
me.
I
will
tell
you
I'm
always
open
to
criticism.
I
will
indulge
whatever
comments
and
thoughts.
People
have,
whether
I
agree
or
not.
At
this
point
we
have
to
elect
a
vice
chair
as
well
for
the
board.
I
would
welcome
everybody
to
to
remain
interested
and
engaged.
D
My
personal
experience
thus
far
has
been
that
the
next
most
senior
member
on
the
staff
who
brings
a
unique
perspective
and
has
been
pivotal
in
helping
us
understand
the
ordinance,
has
been
dot.
So
I
I
would
nominate
her
for
the
vice
chair
position
at
this.
L
D
M
D
I
A
F
D
N
D
Thank
you
all
all
right.
We
have
comported
with
what
we're
required
to
do
here
in
terms
of
having
board
leadership
typically
I'll
end
up
running
these
meetings,
but
in
the
event
that
I
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
cannot
do
so
dot
is,
is
very
well
qualified
to
step
into
the
chair
role
and
and
facilitate
the
meeting.
Obviously,
we
both
have
encouraged
everybody
on
the
board
to
feel
free
to
offer
their
perspectives
their
questions.
D
D
If
someone
doesn't
have
it,
please
feel
free
to
holler,
we'll
send
you
an
email,
and
all
of
that
should
be
posted
online
as
well
for
the
public
at
this
time.
Having
all
of
you
all,
having
seen
the
project
zph2020020,
has
anyone
been
contacted
about
this
project
by
any
party
with
an
interest
or
anyone
have
a
conflict
of
interest
by
virtue
of
their
day
job
or
any
other
capacity
in
which
you
might
have
come
to
interact
with
the
applicant
or
or
otherwise
financially
benefit
from
this
project?.
D
Seeing
none
I'll
go
ahead
and
disclose
just
for
the
record
when,
whenever
we
have
these
come
up,
if
my
firm
has
been
involved-
and
I
know
about
it
in
terms
of
a
real
estate
deal
or
if
we
have
an
apartment
complex
in
which
a
broker
or
realtor
has
been
involved
at
some
point
or
even
had
a
member
of
the
community
who
works
with
the
applicant
contact
you
without
the
board's
knowledge.
Those
are
things
that
to
disclose
during
this
time.
D
All
of
you
being
new
members-
I
imagine
that's
probably
not
the
case,
but
should
that
come
up,
it
does
not
mean
that
you're
necessarily
disqualified
from
hearing
it.
The
board
just
has
to
take
an
inquiry
of
what
level
of
involvement
you've
had
up
to
this
point
on
that
project,
and
we
make
a
determination
together
as
to
whether
or
not
you
can
sit
and
hear
the
project
and
we'll
talk
about
the
legal
standards
to
that
when
that
arrive
arises,
but
seeing
none,
I
suppose
we
can
move
to
the
august
2012
minute.
Sorry
august,
12th,
2020
minutes.
F
Okay,
I
misspoke
they.
They
are
ready
to
go,
but
not
a
time
to
go
in
the
agenda
bucket.
So
we're
gonna
be
hitting
you
at
your
next
meeting
with
a
stack
of
minutes.
D
That's
fine,
we'll
retroactively,
approve
those
based
on
on
the
healthy
packet.
We'll
get
all
right.
Does
the
staff
have
any
other
announcements?
I
know
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
rain
date
in
a
minute,
and
then
we
have
technical
issues,
but
are
there
any
other
announcements
and
housekeeping
matters?
We
need
to
knock
out
before
we
get
to
that.
D
F
Yeah,
so
so,
just
some
brief
background
for
the
new
members
when
this
this
idea
of
a
rain
date
is,
is
not
something
that
we
routinely
do.
F
F
So,
typically,
what
I
will
propose
is
that
the
the
very
next
day,
which
would
be
tomorrow,
thursday
september
10th
at
five
o'clock,
serve
as
a
as
a
rain
date.
So
if,
for
some
reason,
the
screen
just
were
to
go
black
and
were
not
able
to
reboot
the
meeting
in
a
timely
manner,
we
would
all
gather
back
here
in
the
same
platform
tomorrow
at
five
o'clock.
So
that's
my
proposal,
sir.
D
I
think
technically
we
have
to
have
a
vote
on
that.
If
we
can
get
emotion
to.
L
D
M
D
I
D
Joel,
yes
and
tim:
yes,
all
right
good
that
is
locked
up,
and
then
we
have
an
on
item.
G
on
our
agenda
is
the
new
member
board
training.
I
believe
staff
wanted
to
present
something
very
quickly
to
you.
Guys
and
brandon
was
going
to
include
a
little
bit
of
legal
standard
there
and
I'll
follow
up
on
on
what
they
offer.
J
And
mr
freeman,
do
you
have
that
video
clip?
I
do,
sir.
Yes,
what
we
would
like
to
show
you
and
I
believe,
staff
shared
this
with
board
members.
This
is
a
training
from
david
owens,
who
is
probably
the
most
knowledgeable
person
on
land
land
use
law
in
north
carolina
he's
a
professor
at
the
school
of
government
chapel
hill
and
he
came
to
asheville
and
and
gave
a
training
and
a
gentleman
in
the
community.
J
Mr
jerry
rice,
who
some
of
you
may
know
if
you
go
to
public
meetings,
was
there
and
recorded
it
and
put
it
up,
put
it
up
on
his
youtube
page
we've.
Actually,
that's
the
link
we
sent
out
to
you
he's
a
member
of
the
community
who
likes
to
observe
local
government,
and
this
is
a
four-minute
clip
from
that
train
from
that
training.
H
All
right,
sorry,
if
this
is
where
you
got
a
question,
raise
it
otherwise
I'm
moving
on,
and
that
doesn't
just
say
what
are.
A
J
And
while
we're
waiting
on
that
to
buffer,
I
can
add
that
when
you
play
it
on
the
internet,
it's
not
like
that
that
whatever
this
is
is
a
complication
of
of
our
virtual
meeting
here
and
this
entire
training,
even
though
it's
extremely
long
is,
is
worth
a
watch.
It's
it's
three
hours
long.
E
J
It
it's
worth
everyone
taking
taking
time
to
watch
it.
Also
in
this
book,
which
I
think.
J
Okay,
if
you
turn
to
page
69
in
your
quasijudicial
handbook,
it's
chapter
six,
the
entire
chapter
is
is
on
variances
and
it
goes
into
detail
of
of
sort
of
the
general
rules
that
are
discussed
in
in
the
first
paragraph.
J
It's
also
something
that's
worth
looking
at,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
video
has
has
buffered
enough,
let's
try
it
and
and
if
it
works,
then
mr
owens
can
tell
it
it's
not.
If
not,
then,
mr
moore
and
I
will
do
our.
J
F
H
D
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
important
thing
and,
if
not,
we'll
still
show
it
at
the
board
training.
I
imagine
for
new
members.
That
might
be
a
worthwhile
thing
to
have
on
the
record,
but
the
more
familiarity,
the
better
and
the
quicker
these
projects
will
end
up
going.
F
So
let
me
let
me
start
off
by
just
giving
some
some
background
to
what
a
variance
is
and
then
brandon.
Maybe
you
can
jump
in
and
cover
the
legal
side
of
it.
As
far
as
you
know
how
the
mechanics
are
working,
the
funding
is
a
fact
things
like
that,
so
the
north
carolina
state
law,
within
the
statutes
that
authorized
local
governments
to
have
zoning.
F
Create
a
mechanism
for
relief
in
circumstances
that
that
require
relief
from
a
local
ordinance
in
order
to,
and
I'm
kind
of,
using
the
the
dumbed
down.
Planner
version
of
this
rather
than
the
legal
version,
but
to
provide
a
relief
valve
for
circumstances
where
a
routine
application
of
the
zoning
ordinance
would
would
provide
some
sort
of
unnecessary
burden
to
a
particular
property
owner
by
virtue
of
circumstances
unique
to
that
property.
F
F
So
this
board,
the
board
of
adjustment,
is
given
the
authority
under
buncombe
county's
ordinance,
which
again
is
authorized
by
state
law
to
consider
situations
like
that
and
give
relief
when,
when
it's
warranted,
to
protect
the
property
interests
of
the
owner,
while
at
the
same
time
not
placing
any
sort
of
burden
on
on
surrounding
neighbors
as
a
result
of
the
variance-
and
that's
that's
a
kind
of
a
tough
needle
to
thread.
F
Sometimes
so
in
the
case
that,
in
the
scenario
that
I
was
giving,
I'm
building
my
house
on
that
one
acre
lot
on
that
quarter.
Acre
lot.
I've
got
well
and
septic
in
places
that
make
it
hard
for
me
to
comply
with
the
regulations
short
of
not
being
able
to
do
anything
at
all.
I
apply
for
a
variance
and
I'm
requesting
the
the
ability
to
get
10
feet
closer
to
the
property
line
than
the
then.
F
Basic
example
of
when
we
might
need
a
variance,
there
are
all
kinds
of
other
examples
that
are
typically
more
complicated.
D
J
I
think
that's
a
good
anecdotal
example
of
when
you
might
see
variances
come
up
the
standard
for
when
you
can
grant
a
variance
is
set
by
state
law.
So
bunking
county's
ordinance
mirrors
state
law
in
that
respect.
But
this
is
something
that
that
the
state
has
decided
the
standard
for
how
how
variances
are
done
and
if
you
turn
to
page
69
in
that
book,
those
those
four.
J
I
will
just
just
read
them
out:
the
applicant
must
show
that
the
unnecessary
hardship
results
from
the
strict
application
of
the
ordinance
so
sort
of
going
back.
What
the
applicant
has
to
show
generally
is
an
unnecessary
hardship
and
because
defining
what
an
unnecessary
hardship
is
the
the
state
has
given
us
four
things
to
look
at
and
to
evaluate
and
four
questions
that
must
be
answered
before
deciding
whether
to
grant
variance
and
the
applicant
must
show
all
four
of
these
things.
J
J
D
D
This
is
going
to
be
a
good
example,
I
think
largely
because
we've
this
is
not
the
kind
of
project
that's
going
to
lead
to
a
lot
of
as
best
I
can
tell
by
the
number
of
participants
a
lot
of
public
concern,
the
way
that
others
have
so
everyone,
if
you
have
questions
throughout,
please
feel
free,
just
to
grab,
grab
me
or
raise
your
hand
and
stop
us
and
we'll
talk
about
the
ins
and
outs
of
it.
But
let's
address
let's
not
over
complicate
it
before
before.
D
We
have
to
it's
a
rare
moment
of
hopefully
simplicity,
but
I
might
have
jinxed
this
there.
Thank
you
both.
I
appreciate
it
at
this
time.
I
I
think
we'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
offer
the
normal
spiel
to
the
public
and
for
the
benefit
of
the
board.
Some
of
this
is
is
equally
helpful
for
us
start
with
re-welcoming
everybody
who's
joining
us
from
facebook
or
online.
D
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
evidentiary
hearing
that
means
similar
to
a
courtroom
or
court
hearing
state
and
local
law
set
specific
procedures
and
rules
concerning
how
the
board
must
make
its
decisions.
The
board's
discretion
is
limited.
We
must
base
our
decision
upon
the
competent,
relevant
and
substantial
evidence
in
the
record.
Our
decisions
must
be
constrained
by
the
standard,
as
described
by
brandon
and
based
on
the
facts
presented
if
you'll
be
speaking
as
a
witness.
D
Today,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
standards,
not
your
personal
preference
and
opinion
matters
of
personal
knowledge
and
specific
facts
are
acceptable.
Opinion,
speculation
and
discussion
of
things
like
traffic
and
impact
on
the
community
crime,
etc
are
generally
not
admissible
unless
you're
appropriately
tendered
as
an
expert,
we
value
a
transparent
process.
H
D
This
would
highlight
as
long
as
people
remain
focused
on
the
facts
as
opposed
to
their
opinion,
as
opposed
to
speculating
or
generally
disparaging
one
another.
We
tend
to
have
a
pretty
fair
opportunity
for
the
public
to
engage
in
the
meetings
without
crossing
into
a
line
that
might
cause
legal
issues
for
us
down
the
road.
D
D
D
F
Let's
haley:
let's
start
off
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
me
sworn
in.
C
F
All
right,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
share
my
screen
again.
It
was
disastrous
last
time,
so,
hopefully,
better
luck,
so
just
for
the
new
board
members
benefit.
We
typically
start
off
each
case,
regardless
of
its
type,
with
a
brief
presentation
about
staff
to
just
hit
the
high
points
and
summarize
the
project
in
cases
of
variances.
F
It's
usually
just
us
summarizing
the
high
points
and
then
leaving
it
at
that
and
then
answering
questions
is
necessary.
We
rarely
will
offer
any
sort
of
recommendation
or
suggested
condition,
you'll
see
in
this
one.
I
am
suggesting
one
condition
that
I'll
get
to
at
the
very
end.
It's
actually
kind
of
a
typical
for
variances.
F
So
having
said
that,
let
me
just
start
off
with
with
going
through
the
project.
So
today
before
us
is
only
public
hearing
2020-20.
F
F
If
you
correct
me,
if
I
get
that
wrong,
when
you
introduce
yourself,
I
apologize
and
he's
with
jjs
capital
llc,
the
property
is
3.48
acres
in
size.
It's
about
2
600,
feet
above
sea
level,
depending
on
how
you
measure
it
the
slope,
it's
a
fairly
steep
lot
that
does
have
a
one
flat
spot
that
the
applicant
is
going
to
speak
to
in
a
minute,
but
it
that
the
minimum
slope
on
average
across
the
property
is
37
and
and
it
may
exceed
40
based
on
more
detailed
survey
data.
F
It's
zoned,
beaver
dam.
Beaver
dam
is
one
of
our
older
zoning
districts
in
the
county.
It's
essentially
a
single-family
residential
zoning
district
that
contains
some
of
its
own
steep
slope
limitations
in
addition
to
the
overarching,
steep
slope
limitations.
So
I'll
I'll
explain
that
further.
In
just
a
moment,
it's
also
located
the
property
is
located
in
the
steep
slope
overlay
district,
it's
vacant
at
the
moment
it
is
served
by
city,
water
and
mst
sewer.
F
Let
me
certify
for
the
record
that
this
public
hearing
was
advertised
properly
in
accordance
with
north
carolina,
general
statutes
and
buncombe
county
code
and
mr
chair.
I
would
request
that
all
staff
at
applicant
materials
presented
today
and
and
prior
to
the
meeting
in
your
packets
be
accepted
into
the
records
evidence.
F
All
right
to
summarize
the
variance
request.
Let
me
first
talk
talk
about
the
the
minimum
standards
that
apply
to
any
any
property
in
the
beaverton,
amazonian
district
and
and
and
also
within
the
steep
slope
overlay
district,
so
section
78-642,
seven,
which
is
a
section
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
establishes
dimensional
requirements
for
properties.
So
it
establishes
setbacks
maximum
building
heights
things
like
that
specific
to
beaver
dam.
F
For
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
up
on
the
jargon
of
planting
and
stormwater
management,
impervious
surface
just
means
anything
created
by
humans
that
does
not
allow
water
to
flow
through
it
and
therefore
causes
water
to
run
off
at
a
faster
rate,
causing
erosion
and
destabilizing
slopes,
creating
opportunities
for
landslides
and
sometimes
damaging
water
quality
so
dirt
and
forest
soils.
Those
are
those
are
considered
pervious,
whereas
asphalt
doghouse
rooftops
the
rooftop
of
your
house.
F
The
plastic
cover
on
your
swimming
pool,
all
that
stuff,
your
driveway,
your
parking
area,
all
that
is
considered
impervious
and
so
after
the
project
is
completed,
the
maximum
allowable
impervious
is
0.375
and
I
should
have
also
said
the
disturbed
area.
That's
basically
anything
you're
going
to
grade
with
a
piece
of
equipment
in
order
to
create
your
house
site.
So
it's
the
driveway,
it's
the
cut
and
fill
slopes
above
your
driveway
and
below
your
driveway,
the
parking
area
and
the
overall
graded
area
that
you
disturb
around
the
perimeter
of
your
house.
In
order
to
build
it.
F
It
typically
does
not
include
for
regulatory
purposes
of
the
septic
system,
because
you
disturb
such
a
large
area,
sometimes
on
steeper
slopes
for
some
for
septic
systems.
The
board
of
commissioners
when
they
created
these
regulations
did
not
want
to
include
the
septic
system
and
the
definition
of
disturbed.
So
we're
just
talking
about
everything
except
the
suffix
system
elsewhere
in
the
ordinance
section
78-642.
F
These
are
development
standards
that
apply
to
any
property
in
steep
slope,
not
just
in
beaver
dam.
So
you
have
these
two
separate,
but
overlapping
sets
of
regulations
and
the
applicant
has
to
comply
with
both
sets
of
regulations.
F
F
F
To
summarize,
typically
in
your
staff
report
for
variants,
you
will
see
I'll
just
basically
cut
and
paste
the
the
original
narrative
provided
by
the
applicant
into
a
into
a
table
so
to
the
left
is
the
is
the
finding
of
fact
that
that
the
applicant
is
addressing
with
his
or
her
narrative
to
the
right.
So
your
job
as
a
board
is
to
evaluate
the
applicant's
request
in
the
context
of
the
finding
you
have
to
come
to
and
and
in
each
of
these.
So
there's
four
findings.
F
Of
fact,
you
have
to
affirmatively
find
that
the
applicant
has
satisfied
all
four
of
these
findings
of
fact,
not
just
one
or
two
or
three
in
order
to
grant
the
the
variance,
and
so
you
have
to
evaluate
the
applicant's
request
in
the
context
of
the
finding
of
fact
to
determine
whether
that's
been
met,
and
you
could
certainly
ask
the
applicant
to
provide
additional
information.
You
could
ask
staff
to
provide
additional
information
in
order
to
help
you
come
to
that
to
come
to
a
determination
here.
F
I
sort
of
summarize
what
a
typical
variance
would
look
like
it's
not
to
say
that
all
variances
have
to
fall
into
one
of
these
four
categories.
It's
just
some
basic
examples
that
I
was
giving
similar
to
to
my
words
earlier
during
the
training
session,
the
staff
recommendation
in
this
particular
situation.
F
The
ability
to
verify
that
if
the
variance
is
approved
that
the
applicant's
not
exceeding
what
they
requested
in
the
variance
process.
With
that
I'll
I'll
conclude
my
comments
and
turn
it
back
to
you,
mr
moore.
D
D
So
if
anybody
has
questions
feel
free,
please
feel
free
to
speak
up
right
now.
Otherwise
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
to
the
next
phase
and
hear
from
the
applicant.
F
I
I
have
a
question
yes,
so
I'm
just
I'm
a
new
member,
so
just
bear
with
me.
E
I
The
application
mentions
the
slope
of
42.12
and
then
in
the
staff
report,
we
referenced
a
lower
slope,
but
if
I'm
trying
to
calculate
what
percentage
we're
over
here
in
terms
of
disturbance,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
which
number
I
should
be
using.
F
So
I
I
would
recommend
that
you
use
the
42.
That's
the
and
george
can
speak
to
this
in
a
second,
but
what
we
develop
our
slope
using
some
kind
of
online
tools
that
that
assess
geographic
information
system
data,
it's
not
as
accurate
as
what
you
would
get.
If
you
did
a
site
survey
using
a
professional
surveyor,
I
suspect
that
the
42.12
was
developed
using
better
data
and
more
detailed
site
data
prepared
by
a
surveyor.
I
C
Okay
say
your
name.
Q
Q
F
Q
Okay
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
I
am
representing
dr
jeffrey
robinson
and
dr
lucinda
robinson.
They
would
like
to
have
been
here
today,
but
they
are
both
locum
tennis.
Doctors
jeffrey
is
in
south
carolina
working
on
covid
and
lucinda's
in
utah
working
on
covert
also,
so
they
asked
me
to
present
the
application
for
them.
Just
the
new
members
who
don't
know
me,
I
am
the
developer
of
mountain
preserve.
Q
We
bought
the
property
back
in
2014
from
a
bankrupt
former
developer
and
we
have
a
whole
history
with
the
board
of
adjustment.
So
so
far
so
good
we
haven't
any
violations
and
and
within
a
good
job.
At
least
I
think
so
so
anyway,
back
to
this
application,
dr
robinson
bought
this
prop.
The
doctors
robinsons
bought
the
property
in
2009.
Q
Basically,
almost
before
any
or
all
of
these
new
ordinance
were
in
place,
they
have
had
it
for
a
long
time.
They
are
now
either
going
to
sell
it
or
build
a
driveway.
It
was
their
original
plan
to
build
a
retirement
home
here
in
asheville,
but
before
they
do
anything,
they
needed
to.
You
know
look
at
the
slope
of
the
land,
and
so
they
hired
vaughan
melton
to
decide
to
design
a
driveway
to
get
to
the
top
of
the
lot
which
joshua
joshua
mentioned
earlier.
He's
got
a
flat
spot
on
it.
Q
The
slope
is
42.1
percent
account
by
the
engineers,
and
so
let's
use
that
number
you
can
see.
The
driveway
would
start
down
at
the
bottom
of
a
long
spur
lane
lane
and
travel
up
the
side
up
the
side
of
the
slope
all
the
way
up
to
the
flat
spot.
Now,
joshua
mentioned
that
it's
in
the
steep
slope
area
also,
but
there's
a
lot
of
the
lot.
Q
Q
You
know
considering
the
contours
and
if
you're
not
familiar
with
that,
those
are
the
darker
lines
that
are
on
the
drawing
there
and
the
the
grayish
line
is
the
actual
or
proposed
driveway
location
up
to
the
flats.
Part
of
the
lot
to
build
the
house
now
a
question
could
arise
that.
Why?
Don't
you
build
the
house
down
further
down
on
the
lot
this?
Q
The
lot
is
still
so
steep
that
the
construction
of
retaining
walls
will
be
necessary
to
basically
to
build
the
driveway
and
not
the
driveway
so
much
but
the
house
site
so
by
extending
the
driveway
to
the
top
of
the
lot,
the
it's
a
lot
less
damage
or
disturbance.
Q
I
think
to
the
to
the
lot
itself.
Quite
frankly,
you
know
the
view
is
better
from
the
lot
and
that's
why
they
bought
a
lot.
Just
being
totally
honest
with
you,
they've
got
a
very
flat
spot
up
on
top.
It's
probably
a
hundred
feet
wide
by
70
feet,
100
feet
wide
by
70
feet.
Q
Excuse
me
100
feet
long
by
70
foot
wide
so
once
they
get
to
the
top
there's
going
to
be
very
little
disturbance
there,
but
going
back
you
know
a
hardship
would
would
result
because
you
know
they
they
bought
the
lot
in
2009
they're.
Now
getting
ready
to
do
something,
and
because
of
all
the
new
ordinances,
it
may
be
impossible.
It
is
impossible
for
them
to
comply
with
this
new
requirement.
Q
Now,
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
the
information
I
submit
on
the
application,
but
you
know
this:
this
will
have
no
impact
on
the
community.
In
my
opinion,
I
have
sent
this
application
to
the
town
mountain,
preserve
owners
association
and
receive
no
comment
back.
The
adjoining
neighbors
also
have
no
problem
with
this
variance
request.
Q
Let's
see
where
else
guy
go
well,
that's
about
it
again
all
that
information
was
in
the
packet
that
we
submitted.
So,
yes,
we
are
exceeding
the
disturbance
level
by
by
a
lot,
but
there's
really
no
other
option.
Q
The
building
building
the
the
house,
where
the
best
place
to
be
without
you
know
putting
it
down
low,
is
just
it's
gonna
create
more
of
an
eyesore
for
retaining
walls
and
and
the
tree
removal.
You
know
we're
trying
to
also
keep
as
many
trees
the
tree
canopy
as
much
as
the
tree
tree
tree
canopy,
as
we
can
so
that
when
I'll
conclude
and
just
open
it
up
questions.
D
D
I
I
have
a
question
please,
so
there
was
mention
of
the
entire
site
not
being
subject
to
the
steep
slope
ordinance.
Do
we
have
a
rough
idea
for
like
what
percentage
is
in
it
and
what's
out
of
it,.
Q
Well,
actually,
it
is
all
subject
to
steep
slope
because
of
the
steep
slope
there
it
is.
Okay,
all
the
all
the
area
in
blue
would
be
considered
is
steep
slope.
The
area
is
in
yellow
or
outside
the
steep
slope
requirement,
not
requirement
definition,
so
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
there
josh
if
you'll
drop
the
arrow,
that's
where
the
help
site
would
be
up
on
top
there.
L
F
And
for
the
boards?
Just
if
you,
if
you
don't
mind
me
chiming
in
briefly,
you
know,
I'm
muted,
steep
slope
in
the
zoning
ordinance
is
defined
as
any
any
section
of
property.
That's
over
2
500
feet
in
elevation
above
sea
level,
and
that
has
an
average
slope
of
greater
than
35
and
so
the
way
that
the
ordinance
is
is
administered.
F
If,
even
if
the
house
side
is
going
to
be
located
outside
of
the
steep
slope
area,
which
would
be
the
yellow,
I
could,
I
should
have
rotated
the
screen.
But
so
in
the
yellow
area.
The
driveway
and
much
and
most
of
the
serious
disturbance
would
happen
would
occur
inside
those
regulated,
steep
slopes.
So
in
essence,
the
entire
property
becomes
subject
to
those
slope
regulations.
F
In
this
case,
we
do
have
certain
situations
where,
like
a
small
corner
of
a
driveway,
may
pass
through,
and
it
doesn't
really
have
much
of
an
effect,
but
in
this
case
they're
having
to
traverse
the
the
basically
entirely
traverse
that
steep
slip
area
to
get
to
the
house
site,
and
so
those
disturbance
and
impervious
limits
would
apply
to
the
whole
property.
H
Mr
chairman,
yes,
sir,
even
though
I'm
not
voting
today
as
a
member
of
the
board,
could
I
ask
two
questions.
D
That
is
a
good
question.
Very
rarely
do
we
have
that
come
up
if
you're
an
observer.
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
just
so,
we
don't
run
afoul
of
any
statutes,
is
personally
call
you
as
a
member
of
the
public
technically,
because
I'd
like
to
know
what
your
inquiry
is,
and
I
probably
would
go
ahead
and
ask
it
of
george
himself,
but
just
honoring
the
procedure
of
it
for
all
parties
involved
not
doing
something
reversible
before
the
courts.
I
I
think
that
might
be
the
best
way
to
handle
it.
F
D
J
J
D
Fair
enough,
and
from
that
I
imagine,
we
probably
wouldn't
be
running
afoul
of
anything.
If
I
were
to
hear
from
from
paul
what,
as
a
member
of
the
public,
what
his
concern
is
without
necessarily
having
a
question,
but
if
he
has
a
concern
that
pertains
to
this
project,
I
could
ask
him
that,
or
I
could
hear
that
from
him
and
if
we
elected
as
a
board
to
ask
questions
based
upon
that
concern.
That
would
not
be
inappropriate.
Is
that
fair,
or
is
that
a
fair
understanding
of
what
you're
going
for.
G
I
do
have
a
question,
and-
and
this
is
you
can
answer
it,
the
only
variance
that
they're
talking
about
is
what
we've
talked
about
the
height
of
the
building,
and
everything
else
is
okay.
G
M
Mr
chair,
I've
got
a
question
for
the
applicant.
What
is
the
I
guess
empathize
with
your
situation
here,
but
the?
What
is
the
revegetation
plan
for
the
driveway
cut
and
fill
areas
once
those
are
complete?
Is
that
going
to
be
just
a
grass
seed
mixture?
Is
that
going
to
be
replanted?
F
Gabe,
just
for
your
benefit
and
the
rest
of
the
board,
that
is
the
kind
of
consideration
that,
in
the
right
circumstances,
could
be
set
forth
as
a
condition
of
approval.
Q
I
I
have
a
question,
but
I
may
need
I
may
need
lego
or
chairman
to
tell
me
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not.
I
I
know
there
have
been
applications
in
the
past
for
this
subdivision
and
they
see
that
there's
more
slated.
Is
there
a
precedent
for
approving?
You
know
this
is
like
a
60
increase.
H
D
I
Okay,
I
just
didn't
want
to
miss
important
conditions
that
maybe
because
some
of
us
are
near
we're
not
aware
off.
D
I
D
D
L
Q
Right
well,
that'll
be
part
of
the
engineering
as
you'll
see.
If
you
look
at
the
way
the
driveway
is
located,
we
try
and
follow
the
contours.
You
know
basically
staying
within
the
slope
of
the
land
and
only
you
know
cross
the
contours
when
we
need
to
you
know,
make
a
turn.
Q
But
again,
all
this
will
be
engineered
by
the
consulting
engineers.
I'm
not
an
engineer,
so
I
can't
talk
specifically
at
how
they
do
it,
but
before
zoning
will
approve
our
building
permit,
all
that
will
have
to
be
discussed
and
approved.
A
L
And
then
for
the
staff,
so
josh
joshua
with
what
your
recommendation
is.
Explain
that
to
me
again
one
more
time.
F
Okay,
so
what
we're
recommending
should
the
board
choose
to
approve
would
be
that
prior
to
the
the
the
homeowner.
So
after
that,
let
me
just
talk
through
the
process.
Briefly,
after
this
variance
discussion
is
concluded.
Assuming
they
get
approval,
then
they
would
move
to
apply
for
building
permits
and
zoning
permits
to
actually
build
the
house.
F
And
that's
not
that's
not
all
that
unusual.
We
typically
do
require
as-built
surveys,
but
it's
usually
focused
on
the
area
around
the
building
side,
and
it
gives
us
the
ability
to
verify
compliance
with
height
and
things
like
that.
This
would
just
be
expanding
that
out,
basically
to
cover
the
driveway
as
well.
I
Okay,
thanks
and
joshua,
if
if
there
is
a
condition
added
around
or
motion
control
or
replanting
like
another
or
mention
mentioned,
is
that
is
complaints
with
that
checked
at
the
point
where
they're
going
for
ceo.
F
So
we
always
do
a
final
zoning
inspection
on
the
site
and
we
in
most
cases
in
a
steep
slope,
setting
there's
going
to
be
some
sort
of
landscaping
requirement,
just
as
a
matter
of
course,
usually
on
the
downhill
slope
of
that
below
the
house.
F
Q
D
D
D
Excellent
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
George.
At
this
time,
have
we
received
any
any
forms
indicating
that
someone's
asserting
standing
and
is
assert
self-worth
at
the
party.
F
We
do
we
did
not
receive
any
formal
standing
applications
or
witness
applications.
We
do
have.
However,
one
person
that
contacted
us
yesterday
and
said
that
she
would
like
to
speak
as
a
witness,
and
she
is
actually
here
and
present
in
the
the
waiting
room
presume.
D
Okay,
unless
somebody
has
a
specific
objection,
I
think
we
can
move
to
inviting
that
party
to
the
the
zoom
hearing
proper,
we'll
get
a
solid
minute
or
so
to
reconnect
and
touch
base
person.
Just
given
the
tech
delays,
but
let's
swear
them
in
and
we'll
go
from
there.
B
Looks
like
we
also
have
a
second
member
of
the
public
who
has
raised
their
hand
if
you
could
put
in
the
question
and
answer
if
you're
requesting
to
speak
just
so,
we
know
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
let
in
lynn
matheson
at
this
time.
If
that
sounds
correct,.
D
C
Is
she
yes,
okay,
raise
your
right
hand.
C
Raise
your
right
hand
state
your
name
matheson.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth?
I
do
okay.
Thank
you.
You
may
continue.
F
R
F
R
Well,
the
questions
I
would
have
is
it
looks
as
though,
on
the
the
survey
plat
that
they're
going
to
do
some
grading
just
to
make
the
house
really
sit
flat,
and
I
would
like
to
know
how
much
elevation
drop
there's
going
to
be
there
if
any
and
where
that
soil
is
going
to
go.
Is
it
going
to
go
toward
my
property
to
the
west,
or
is
it
going
to
go
toward
long
spur
lane?
D
Is
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
matheson.
Do
you
have
any
other
comments
you'd
like
to
offer?
I
have
to
allow
you
to
finish
before
I
I
say
anything
back.
R
Okay,
well,
I'm
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
so
I'm
not
sure
about
legal
questions.
There
is
a
huge
lot
of
disturbance
on
this
land,
but
that
goes
toward
long
spur
lane
not
toward
mine,
and
my
biggest
concern
with
development
has
always
been
water
runoff,
because
we've
had
something
across
the
hollow
happened
years
ago
that
washed
out
an
1100
foot
driveway
from
a
construction
project.
So
I
am
very
concerned
about
that
tree
removal
and
just
water
runoff.
D
Thank
you
very
much
miss
matheson.
We
appreciate
your
your
concerns
there
at
this
time.
If
you
don't
mind
placing
yourself
on
mute
just
so,
I
can
call
someone
up
george,
if
you'd
like
to
respond
to
that
you
may
I
can't
require
and
you
to
answer
questions
given
the
posture,
but
if
you'd
like
to
offer
any
insight,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
Otherwise
the
board
can
open
it
up
and
ask
you.
Questions
based
on
miss
matheson's
concerns.
Q
I
know
I'll
be
glad
to
do
that.
Martin.
Thank
you,
mrs
matheson.
This
is
very
similar
to
the
variance
that
was
sought
by
the
owens
on
the
adjacent
lot,
64.
Q
now
they're
in
their
building
construction
process,
and
what
I
understand
I
haven't
heard
any
problems
with
their
water,
runoff
et
cetera,
and
I
aim
and
and
the
ro
and
the
robinsons
would
aim
to
do
the
exact
same
thing
you
can
see
where
the
house
site
is
situated,
it's
very
flat
and
be
quite
honest
with
you.
I
don't
think,
there's
going
to
be
much
grading
up
there
at
all
or
tree
removal.
Q
Now
there
will
be
tree
removal
where
driveways
coming
up
the
slope,
but
any
and
all
that
water
will
flow
back
towards
long
spur.
The
only
water
that
potentially
could
come
down
to
your
property
would
be
on
the
off
the
top
of
the
ridge
and,
of
course,
that
would
be
handled
with
the
correct
the
soil,
erosion
measures
and
storm
water
measures.
That
would
be
as
part
of
our
permit
permitting
process.
R
D
Just
so
you
guys
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
offering
a
little
bit
of
liberalism
here
generally.
We
don't
allow
it
back
and
forth
in
this
type
of
manner
just
to
honor
the
procedure
there.
I
I
do
think
that's
an
interesting
question.
So
george,
if
you'd
like
to
answer
that
now
would
be
the
time,
but
I'm
going
to
otherwise
stop
us
from
from
having
an
exchange.
Just
given
you're,
not
a
party
with
standing,
and
I
don't
want
to
put
you
in
a
bad
legal
position.
D
C
D
Q
Q
D
D
All
right
I'll
give
a
solid,
10
second
delay
here,
just
for
the
the
lapse
time,
but
otherwise
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
move.
You
said
there's
at
least
one
other
party
involved,
and
I
also
wanted
to
allow
paul
as
a
member
of
the
public
to
be
brought
up
if
he
had
a
concern
that
he'd
like
to
express
as
well.
B
C
Okay,
mr
barber,
raise
your
right
hand.
C
And
I
guess,
will
you
also
share
your
address
with
us.
E
It
is
89
sonnet
lane
asheville
north
carolina,
which
means
that
we
are
actually
not
in
the
county.
We
are
in
the
city.
E
Congratulations
to
the
new
board.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
me.
Basically,
I
am
to
the
west
of
the
property
and
I
have
the
same
concerns
as
lynn
matheson.
E
This
is,
when
you
say,
extraordinarily
steep.
I
built
on
a
steep
lot,
but
not
extraordinarily,
so
it
is
grappling
hooks
to
get
up
one
side
of
it
and
so
we're
looking
at
a
large
volume
of
water.
That's
going
to
be
at
least
according
to
this
picture,
coming
off
the
the
the
sign.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
this
this
plaque,
so
I
have
a
natural.
I
I
share
an
interest
with
this
with
lynn,
in
that
our
property
is
right.
E
On
the
west
line,
it's
adjacent
to
the
road
we
have
endured
several
months
of
very
large
equipment.
We
of
course
admit
that
we
had
the
same
kind
of
equipment.
That
was
when
we
built
our
house,
but
this
road
is
a
single
lane.
Road
long
spur
cannot
have
two
cars
passing
it
at
the
moment
and
let
alone
two
pieces
of
large
equipment.
E
That's
not
my
immediate
concern.
Our
immediate
concern
is
the
amount
of
traffic.
That's
on
this
thing.
Once
this
house
is
built
and
and
like
I
say
long
spur
at
this
point-
is
not
a
two-lane
road
and
we
have
a
lot
of
light
spillage
over
from
people
that
are
transversing.
The
road
right
now
and
george
has
been
exceedingly
gracious
with
his
proposal
to
screen
some
of
that
light
spillage.
E
So
that
is
my
concern
and
I
hope
in
some
way
it
can
be
addressed
and
the
removal
of
trees
there
are
going
to
open
up
a
lot
of
territory.
That's
very
steep,
so
I
I
would
like
to
see
if
there
could
be
another
engineering
review.
That
would
also
protect
the
watershed
and
again
look
at
the
same
runoff
problem
that
I
have
with
lynn
matheson.
D
Thank
you,
sir,
for
your
comments.
I
appreciate
that
at
this
time
I
would
give
george
the
opportunity
to
respond
and
address
what,
whatever
portions
of
that
that
he
would
like
to,
and
afterwards
we'll
have
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
have
some
inquiries.
Based
on
your
comments.
Thank.
Q
You
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
moore,
hey
cheryl,
how
you
doing
real
fast,
yeah
josh.
If
you
could
zoom
out
on
that
drawing
so
I
could
show
cheryl
that
okay
go
to
exhibit.
I
think
it's
d.
Q
Nope
c,
oh
yeah
exhibit
d
cheryl
as
you.
Oh
back
up,
hey
keep
going
there
you
go
cheryl,
you
nope.
It
keeps
moving
you're
good,
but
anyway,
cheryl
lot,
63
fronts,
long
spur
long!
Spar
is
a
county
approved
system.
Road,
22
foot
pavement
with
a
45
foot
right
away.
The
road
you're
referring
to
is
a
shared
driveway
that
lot
67
and
64
share.
So
the
cul-de-sac
this
lot
actually
ends
before
the
cold
that
large
75-foot
radius
cul-de-sac.
That's
on
long
spur.
So
again
the
road
you're
talking
about
is
that
10-foot
wide
driveway.
Q
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
this
lot,
so
that
that
answers
the
question
about
the
road.
Now
the
water
there
as
part
of
the
storm
water
retention
system,
yeah
josh,
bringing
up
a
little
higher.
If
you
can
right
about
where,
if
you
see
the
the
area
between
lot
72
and
73,
you
see
a
dotted
line.
That's
the
the
property
line
between
those
two
that
is
a
storm
water
cap
catchment.
The
water
comes
down.
Q
If
you're
going
from
to
the
from
c3
to
62,
that's
downhill,
so
the
water
is
going
to
be
captured
right
there,
where
the,
where
the
the
the
mouse
is
and
goes
down
through
the
designed
stormwater
system
into
the
stormwater
retention
ponds.
So
I'll
give
the
same
answer
back
to
what
I
gave
to
miss
matheson,
the
water.
That's
on
the
top
of
the
ridge.
Will
that
that
that
will
not
be
disturbed
is
the
same
water?
That's
there.
E
Right,
can
you
mouse
around
the
area
that
is
adjacent
to
our
lot
and
show
where
the
cut
is
because
I,
in
this
other
schematic
we
saw,
I
couldn't
really
see,
but
the
problem
yeah
and.
E
And
I
can
meet
on
this,
so
I
I
I
don't
want
to
get
in
too
much
detail
but
you're
looking
at
a
lot
of
of
the
tree,
cutting
in
our
back
view
shed.
Q
D
And
I'm
going
to
just
long
enough
for
you
guys,
I
I
don't
want,
and
it's
actually
not
permissible
in
this
hearing
for
us
to
have
the
back
and
forth
between
the
two
of
you
not.
I
think
it's
getting
to
any
kind
of
hostile
point,
but
I
do
think
that
kind
of
conversation
would
be
appropriate
for
outside
of
this
specific
hearing.
I.
E
Understand
and-
and
I
can
meet
with
george
about
this-
thank
you
thank
you.
D
D
D
Okay,
I'm
I'm
going
to
encourage
everybody
just
as
a
general
reminder
to
place
yourself
on
mute
when
you're,
not
speaking
or
you're,
not
currently
testifying.
I
think
we've
been
pretty
good
about
far,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
overlap
that
prevents
us
from
having
a
clear
record
any
board,
questions
or
stage
I
I
know.
D
Normally,
we
we
have
a
lot
more
time
to
kind
of
sync
to
it
and
address
the
concerns
that
the
board
might
have,
but
I
think
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
what
we've
got
so
far.
Is
there
anyone
else
who'd
like
to
speak,
I
I
still
have
paul
as
someone
I'd
like
to
address
as
a
member
of
the
public
if
he
still
would
like
to
share.
If
we
swear
him.
D
C
Okay,
raise
your
right
hand,
state
your
name.
H
C
H
Okay,
the
applicant
stated
that
the
ordinances
that
are
being
are
the
subject
of
variants,
both
the
beaver
dam
and
the
county
ordinances
regarding
steep
slopes
were
not
approved
or
adopted
until
after
I
guess
this
property
was
planted
or
the
or
the
owners
bought
the
property,
and
I
just
wondered
if
either
the
county
attorney
or
the
staff
could
confirm
that.
D
J
I
don't
have
personal
knowledge
as
to
when
this
development
was
made.
I'd
have
to
do
a
little
research
at
the
registered
deeds
office
to
figure
that
out.
Unless
mr
josh
freeman
has
that
information
readily
available.
F
Q
The
development
was
started
by
the
beaver
dam
land
conspiracy
back
in
2006
and
they
they
went
bankrupt
in
2012.
I
believe
I
bought
the
property
in
2014.,
I'm
not
mistaken.
The
the
ordinances
started
coming
into
effect
in
2009,
so
some
of
them
may
have
been
applicable
because
this
plot
was
recorded
in
2009.
I'd,
be
the
one
you're
looking
at
no,
not
this
one
but
the
the
exhibit
d.
Q
But
but
there
have
been
many
revisions
since
2009,
since
the
audience
put
in
and
after
my
the
robinsons
purchase
a
property
yeah,
I
can't
read
the
recording
date
there
down
at
the
bottom.
Q
Okay,
so
again
I
I
might
be
mistaken,
but
I
believe
mr
kelvin,
that
these
are
this
was
before
all
the
ordinances,
the
strict.
Well,
I
I'm
not
saying
they're
strict
they're
they're
warranted,
but
before
the
ordinances
came
into
play,.
F
J
I
I
still
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
a
request
for
a
variance
from
the
law
as
it
exists
today
right.
The
applicant
may
have
other
avenues,
and
I'm
not
here
to
advise
the
applicant
on
that.
But
what
he's
asking
for
today
is
for
a
variance
of
those
steep
slope
laws
he's
not
saying
that
they
don't
apply,
he's
saying
that
this
is
what
his
application
says.
They
do
apply
and
I
want
a
variance
from
having
to
comply
with
them.
J
So
I
think
the
board
should
address
that
question
and
if
the
applicant
has
a
another
legal
concern
about
how
these
laws
apply
to
them,
we
can
talk
to
an
attorney
about
that,
but
I
would
advise
the
board
today
to
rule
on
this.
As
as
whether
this
application
is
presented,
it
should
be
granted
a
variance
under
our
standards.
D
D
Does
the
board
have
any
questions
for
paul.
I
appreciate
that
insight
and
inquiry
paul.
D
All
right,
seeing
none
and
haley
unless
we
have
a
new
person,
asserting
a
a
desire
to
speak,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
phase
the
hearing,
and
at
this
time
I
didn't
invite
any
board
statements
or
input.
F
D
F
F
You
have
the
ability
to
continue
your
discussion
to
this
to
the
next
board
meeting
in
october.
If
you
so
choose.
If
you
choose
to
continue
this
to
the
next
meeting,
I
would
staff
would
always
request
that
you
do
so,
because
you
need
certain
information,
that's
required.
That
requires
more
time
to
gather
it's
within
your
authority
to
do
so,
but
we
encourage
you
to
be
judicious
about
that.
I
believe
those
are
your
your
three
options.
D
Thank
you
very
much
for
offering
that
mr
freeman
and
I
think
that's
that's
important
for
us
to
especially
the
new
members
to
know
that
we
have
a
healthy
amount
of
a
way
we
can
make
this
work
if,
if
so
inclined,
but
to
remain
true
to
the
the
ordinance
itself
and
those
options
are
at
our
disposal
to
facilitate
the
the
correct
outcome
here.
I
think
that's
important
to
know.
Thank
you.
L
Well
is:
is
there
a
fourth
option?
You
know
like
to
gabe's
issue
about
greenery
and
things
like
that.
D
D
Wants
to
put
in
plain
language
any
recommendations
they
have,
I'm
happy
to
facilitate
that
being
put
in
the
right
form.
What
I,
what
I'll
say
just
procedurally
and
it
might
be
apparent
to
everyone
anyway,
but
just
airing
on
the
side
of
caution
we
can
offer
that
and
the
applicant
would
have
to
consent
to
it
or
otherwise.
We
would
generally
reject
the
project.
You
can't
change
their
application
substantively,
but
we
can
decline
to
approve
it
unless
they
meet
with
conditions
that
we
set.
G
Mr
chair,
this
is
doc
cordell.
I
have
a
question
in
going
forward
with
this
and
I
guess
I'm
tending
more
to
approving
it
with
some
recommendations,
the
first
being
the
recommendation
presented
in
the
staff
report,
and
the
second
recommendation
would
be
that
the
applicants
and
the
owners
meet
with
the
planning
department
staff
and
the
zoning
administrator
to
put
together
a
plan
of
taking
care
of.
D
So,
just
so
we're
clear,
josh,
I'm
gonna.
I
think
those
are
two
good
recommendations.
Is
that
is
it?
What
would
that
look
like
for
you
in
terms
of
changing
our
order
to
reflect
potentially
recommending
the
condition
listed
in
the
staff
report
meeting
with
pnz
staff
to
facilitate
revegetation
in
the
impervious
section.
F
Yeah,
yes,
sir,
we
we've
actually
done
that
on
a
number
of
occasions,
with
some
other
projects
that
you've
approved.
Typically.
What
the
way
I
would
administer
that
after
the
board
approves
the
project,
if
that
happens,
would
be
to
would
be
to
do
exactly
what
dot
said
and
schedule
a
pre-application
meeting
with
the
applicant,
probably
on
site,
to
look
at
the
grading
plan
and
look
at
revegetation
options
and
then
come
to
some
sort
of
reasonable
agreement
that
that
that
seems
to
achieve
the
goal
that
the
board
set
forth.
F
And
then
they
would
show
that,
on
their
actual
zoning
application
on
their
site
plan
to
actually
show
us
specifically
what
plantings
are
going
to
go
where
based
on
that
conversation
and
our
goal
would
be
just
based
on
the
conversation
we've
heard
today
would
be
to
to
work
with
the
developer
or
the
builder,
probably
to
to
get
in
the
right
kinds
of
plantings
that
that
fit
the
the
climate
and
the
site
that
are
native
species,
that
are
that
are
going
to
minimize
erosion
down
the
road
and
also
provide
a
good
tree
canopy
when
they,
when
they
reach
maturity.
D
Do
any
other
board
members
have
any
thoughts
or
comments
on
that?
I
will.
I
don't
typically
offer
mine
first,
but
I'll
say
I
think
those
are
two
reasonable
and
good
recommendations
and
conditions
that
we'd
want
to
attach
to
this.
If
we're
leaning
towards
the
side
of
approving
with
conditions,
I
do
think
those
are
the
two
important
ones.
Catherine,
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that.
L
Yeah
I
kind
of
like
the
I
like
doc's
idea
of
approving,
with
the
recommendations
for
the
revegetation
and
and
then
the
staff
I
think
you
know
the
staff
input
is-
is
reasonable.
L
F
Q
D
And
my
hope
is
that
that
again
we
haven't
voted
on
it
yet,
but
my
hope
is
that
this
this
appeases
some
of
the
concerns
that
that
lane
and
william
offered
during
their
comments
during
the
public
comment
phase.
Let's
go
ahead.
D
I
will
go
ahead
and
formally
offer
unless
the
board
has
any
additional
insight
I'll
formally
offer
those
as
recommendations
to
as
a
condition
of
approval,
I'll
go
ahead
and
disclose.
I
think
I
looking
at
the
ordinance
itself
following
the
standards
that
we
have.
I
do
think
that
those
are
the
appropriate
recommendations
to
make.
D
Typically,
I
invite
another
member
of
the
board
to
josh.
Your
screen
is
up
by
the
way
perfect
good,
good
good.
I
would
invite
another
member
of
the
board
to
make
a
motion.
G
Mr
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
board,
including
the
following,
exhibits
the
petitioner's
application,
the
submitted
development
plan,
the
gis
maps
staff
report,
the
findings
of
fact,
worksheet
testimony
presented
at
this
hearing.
I
move
that
this
board
adopt
the
following
findings
of
fact:
one
through
seven,
eight,
a
inclusive
with
two
conditions
for
approval.
G
D
Thank
you
dot.
I
will
second
that
I'm
looking
at
our
our
screen,
real
quick,
do
you?
Let
me
ask
you
for
the
applicant:
do
you
I
know
you
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
applicants
themselves.
Do
you
know
how
much
of
an
issue
this
might
be
for
them?
Do
you
want
an
opportunity
to
call
them,
so
we
don't
end
up
kind
of
spinning
our
wheels
in
case
they
don't
consent,
because
that
will
make
it
very
easy
for
the
board
to
decide
what
they're
going
to
do.
Q
No
martin
this
this
is
this
is
common
sense
when
any
time
you're
building
in
the
mountains,
you
know,
even
if
there
wasn't
a
requirement,
they
would
I
I
they
would
do
it
anyway,
because
they
don't
want
the
the
value
of
their
property
by
letting
it
be
bare
or
just
having
grasses
there.
So
no,
I
100
they
will
do
this.
It's
not
a
problem.
D
Okay,
excellent,
so
I
I've
dots
motion
any
discussion
about
this.
Any
anyone
have
any
concerns
or
feel
anything
has
not
been
represented
and
the
recommendations
we've
made.
D
D
M
D
I
D
P
D
N
G
C
A
D
Tim,
yes,
yes
as
well,
that
is
so
ordered.
Thank
you
very
much,
george
for
being
here,
please
get
with
josh
and
we'll
proceed
from
there.
Q
I
thank
you
all
for
your
participation
and
I
appreciate
your
efforts.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
all
right,
I
believe
that's
the
only
project
we
have
on
today
is
there
any
other
business
staff
would
like
to
address.
F
I
wanted
to
just
ask
brandon:
if,
briefly,
you
could
talk
about
just
maybe
a
cliff
version
of
open
meetings,
law
and
ex
parte
conversations
just
as
kind
of
an
advance
of
another
deeper
trading.
On
that
point,.
D
Could
I
can
I
make
one
request
on
that
josh
I
would
like
part
of
the
new
member
training,
because
I
have
some
thoughts.
I
want
to
offer
on
that
too.
I'm
not
opposed
to
doing
something
right
now,
but
the
interest
of
not
overwhelming
our
folks.
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
a
spiel
that
I
can
get
prepared
pretty
quickly.
F
That's
fine!
Actually,
that
makes
more
sense,
and
let
me
just
say
briefly
the
the
the
one
thing
that
sort
of
on
an
operational
level
that
I
want
everyone
to
be
aware
of
is
that
when
we
send
emails
out
to
the
group
to
the
board
as
a
whole,
never
under
any
circumstances
reply
all
always
reply
directly
back
to
either
myself
haley
or
shannon
or
brandon.
F
If
there's
something
that's
being
discussed,
that
needs
the
full
board's
involvement,
we'll
always
find
a
way
to
bring
that
to
you
in
a
way
that
is
compliant
with
our
obligations
under
north
carolina's,
open
meetings,
law
and
we'll
get
into
what
that
means
in
more
depth,
but
just
between
now
and
the
next
training.
Just
if
we
send
you
an
email,
always
just
reply
back
to
me
or
whoever
sent
the
email,
not
the
group
as
a
whole.
That
way
we're
that
way,
we're
not
having
a
meeting
by
default.
D
There
are
some
pretty
public
disclosures
that
will
be
made
if
we
end
up
communicating
with
a
certain
number
of
members
in
a
place
at
a
time.
Do
any
of
the
new
members
have
any
logistical
questions:
we're
gonna
address
a
ton
in
the
new
board
member
training.
I
think
you'll
we'll
be
able
to
fill
in
any
gaps
that
you
might
have.
D
However,
if
you
have
a
question
now
or
anything,
I
think
this
is
about
as
as
rough
and
tumble
as
it
gets
and
we
still
handle
it
well,
so
I'm
I'm
proud
to
work
with
all
of
you
and
it
seems
like
this
is
probably
one
of
the
longer
meetings
for
a
single
project
that
we're
ever
going
to
have.
So
I
commend
everybody
for
asking
thoughtful
questions.
L
Hey
martin,
with
the
new
training,
who,
when
does
it
look
like
it's
going
to
be
so
we
can
get
it
on
calendars.
D
M
F
Yet
but
we'll
be
in
touch
this
week,
we'll
we'll
be
working
with
all
of
you
to
set
up
a
time
so
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
you
guys
individually,
to
get
your
schedules,
and
one
of
the
decisions
we
have
to
make
is
whether
we
do
a
special
call
meeting
to
just
do
training,
which
is
what
I'm
inclined
to
do,
or
try
to
continue
squeezing
pieces
of
pieces
of
training
into
your
regular
meetings.
F
I
think
you're,
you
have
a
pretty
heavy
agenda
coming
up
in
the
next
two
months,
at
least
with
some
very
large
projects
that
are
going
to
be
very
very
time
consuming,
so
my
preference
will
be
to
schedule
a
separate
meeting
for
training
where
we
don't
have
to
consider
business,
but
I'm
going
to
have
to
circle
back
with
brandon
and
martin,
shannon
and
haley
to
put
together
what
that
looks
like
and
then
get
out.
Some
dates.
F
I
I
think
if,
if
there
are
big
projects
coming
just
from
my
own
personal
perspective,
I
would
rather
be
as
educated
as
possible
and
if
that.
J
Mr
chair,
I
I
just
sent
links
to
two
things.
One
is
the
link
to
a
shorter
version
sort
of
of
this
book
if
it
were
distilled
down
into
something
a
little
shorter.
This
is
still
worth
the
read
and
it's
got
a
great
index
in
it.
So
if
you
read
something
in
here
or
if
or
when
you're
watching,
professor
owen
speak,
you
have
a
question.
The
index
here
is
really
good,
so
you
can
find
more
detail
on
on
that
stuff
pretty
easily.
So
the
first
link
was
sort
of
a
distilled
version
of
this.
J
It's
just
the
board
of
adjustment
basics
from
professor
owens,
and
the
second
link
was
the
link
to
that
that
training
that
he
did
here
in
asheville,
which
I
think
you've
already
were
sent
by
staff
earlier.
I
just
strongly
encourage
everyone
to
to
watch
that
video
you'll
feel
a
lot
more
confident
when
you're
making
these
tough
decisions,
as
the
chair
says,
when
there's
50
members
of
the
community,
who
are
who
are
really
emotionally
invested
in
something
you'll,
feel
more
confident
in
in
making
these
decisions.
If
you
watch
that
entire
video.
G
I
do
have
a
question,
even
though
this
is
going
to
be
new
member
training
and
board
member
training.
Would
it
be
possible
that
the
the
returning
board
members
could
also
be
a
part
of
it?
So
we
all
hear
the
same
thing.
Yes,.
F
D
B
I
don't
see
any
request
oh
hold
on.
We
do
have
a
hand
up
if
you'd
like
to
make
a
public
comment.
Can
you
please
use
the
q
a
chat
room
to
request
that.
F
E
Much
for
what
you
do.
Thank
you.
J
B
I
believe
emma
is
in
the
room
and
emma:
can
you
unmute
yourself.
L
Hey
brandon:
do
you
think
you
can
send
those
links
like
out
in
in
an
email
or
something
absolutely
I'm
sure
I
messed
up
somewhere,
I'm
trying
to
copy
it.