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Burbank Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 2023
A
B
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
Burbank
Planning
Commission
today
is
Monday
May
8th
2023.
Before
we
begin
our
meeting,
there
will
be
one
General
period
public
comment
tonight
during
oral
Communications
person.
Speaking
during
the
general
public
comment
period,
May
provide
the
Planning,
Commission
or
communication
on
any
matter
concerning
City
business
members
of
the
public
May
comment
in
person
or
by
telephone
during
the
general
public
hearing
public
comments
period.
B
B
C
Evening
I'd
like
to
dedicate
this
meeting
in
this
invocation
to
Lawrence
Wick,
a
family
member
of
mine
who
passed
this
last
week
and
I'd
like
to
share
one
of
his
favorite,
quotes
by
John
F
Kennedy.
As
we
express
our
gratitude,
we
must
never
forget
that
the
highest
form
of
appreciation
is
not
to
utter
words,
but
to
live
by
them.
We
are
very
blessed
to
live
in
Burbank.
E
B
B
G
Good
evening,
Planning
Commission
could
I
have
the
slides
up.
Please.
My
name
is
Elizabeth
Goldman
I'm,
the
library
Services
director
for
the
City
of
Burbank
and
I
am
here
this
evening
to
provide
you
with
an
overview
of
the
Burbank
Civic
Center
project.
This
is
a
proposed
City
plan
that
involves
a
replacement,
Central
Library,
a
replacement
for
the
administrative
Services,
building
new,
open
space
parking
and
housing
in
the
Civic
Center
area.
G
The
project
is
still
very
much
in
its
conceptual
stages.
Nothing
has
been
designed
yet
and
a
developer
has
not
been
selected.
My
presentation
to
you
tonight
is
part
of
a
stakeholder
and
Community
engagement,
effort
that
the
project
team
has
been
conducting
over
the
past
six
months,
which
has
included
presentations
to
many
of
the
city
boards
and
commissions,
who
have
some
stake
in
the
project
one
way
or
another.
G
Like
yourselves,
the
Burbank
Civic
Center
project
is
a
transformative
opportunity
to
meet
city
council
goals
and
Community
needs,
while
building
a
thriving,
downtown
neighborhood
in
a
sustainable
and
fiscally
responsible
way.
It
brings
together
many
long-standing
goals
of
the
city
and
community
and
resolve
several
major
outstanding
Capital
needs,
while
contributing
to
City
objectives
around
housing,
Economic,
Development
and
sustainability.
G
The
need
for
a
modernized
and
expanded
Central
Library
was
first
identified
by
the
city
way
back
in
1989
as
part
of
the
facility's
master
plan.
At
that
time,
the
Central
Library
was
only
about
25
years
old
and
already
the
city
could
determine
that
it
needed
to
was
not
big
enough
to
suit
the
needs
and
needed
to
be
modernized.
Burbank
has
consistently
had
very
high
usage
of
its
libraries
as
physical
facilities
compared
to
other
libraries
in
her
region,
and
our
system
as
a
whole
has
long
been
under-resourced
in
terms
of
square
feet.
G
In
1992,
the
city
completed
some
minor
cosmetic
Renovations
of
the
Central
Library
meant
to
tide
things
over
until
a
larger
project
could
be
done.
It's
now
than
30
years,
and
unfortunately,
that's
all
we've
accomplished
in
2002
the
Buena
Vista
library
opened
and
while
a
beautiful
and
loved
asset
to
the
community,
it
can't
serve
that
system-wide
Demand
on
its
own.
G
In
2003
Burbank
voters
passed
measure
L
by
more
than
two-thirds
to
provide
funding
for
a
new
or
renovated
Central
Library,
as
well
as
improvements
to
the
Northwest
Library.
Unfortunately,
these
funds
were
contingent
on
receipt
of
State
matching
funds.
That
Burbank
was
unsuccessful
in
obtaining
and
then
a
couple
years
later
ceased
to
exist,
so
the
local
tax
was
never
assessed.
G
G
In
the
following
years.
There
were
a
few
other
attempts
to
find
Creative
Solutions
to
the
issue
of
the
Central
Library,
but
nothing
moved
forward
so
jumping
ahead
to
2020
and
2021.
The
city
conducted
a
study
called
a
vision
for
a
new
Central
Library
for
Burbank,
and
that
study
is
available
on
our
project
website
if
you're
interested,
so
that
study
gathered,
updated
public
input
on
community
needs
for
a
library
and
in
addition,
it
included
cost
estimating
and
an
assessment
of
whether
renovation
of
the
existing
library
or
new
construction
was
the
best
path
in
2021.
G
Upon
accepting
the
study,
the
city
council
gave
staff
direction
to
pursue
a
plan
for
a
new
library,
seismic
Ada
and
hazardous
materials.
Issues
in
the
current
building,
plus
its
constrained
lot
meant
the
renovation
would
provide
the
city
less
value
for
its
money.
In
addition,
as
I
noted,
Burbank
has
very
high
Library
usage
and
a
demonstrated
need
for
additional
square
feet,
not
just
the
forty
five
thousand
square
feet
we
have
in
the
current
building
as
a
result
of
this
Council
Direction
staff
embarked
on
our
current
project.
G
Well,
I'm,
the
one
speaking
to
you
tonight.
The
current
project
is
an
interdepartmental
collaboration
of
the
library,
Community
Development
Department,
Public,
Works
Department
financial
services,
department
and
city
attorney's
office,
with
significant
input
from
every
other
City
Department
as
well.
G
The
current
study
started
with
an
analysis
of
a
financially
feasible
path
for
the
current
project
that
also
utilized
the
sites
in
question
to
their
best
value
and
supported
Council
and
Community
goals.
This
resulted
in
the
current
proposal
and
the
plan
to
utilize
a
public-private
partnership
or
P3
model
for
the
project
before
I
get
into
the
details.
G
To
give
you
a
sense
of
what
areas
we're
talking
about
here's
a
conceptual
site
plan,
this
slide
shows
just
one
possible
configuration
of
the
elements,
but
to
use
it
as
an
example,
you
can
see
the
three
spaces
we're
talking
about
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
that
image
where
there's
a
U-shaped
yellow
box.
That's
the
current
Central
Library
in
the
middle
is
the
Civic
block
with
the
community
services
building.
G
The
open
space
adjacent
to
the
library
could
be
used
for
library
and
Recreation
programs
for
events
like
celebrations,
concerts
and
movies
for
vendors
and
outdoor
eating
and
reading
spaces
and
for
interactive
play
spaces
for
children,
along
with
the
lack
of
spaces
inside
libraries
in
Burbank
in
the
downtown
area.
There's
a
lack
of
open
and
park
spaces.
So
this
also
helps
meet
that
need
parking,
as
I
mentioned,
will
be
primarily
underground.
Preserving
the
street
level
for
human
uses
and
the
housing
again
is
on
identified.
G
Housing
Opportunity
sites,
this
next
slide
is
an
aerial
view
of
the
same
spaces
where
you
can
see
in
the
lower.
Well,
the
upper
right
corner
is
the
library
again
surrounded
by
yellow
dashes
there.
The
current
Library,
the
next
to
that
with
the
green
is
the
open
space.
The
Orange
is
the
New
library
and
the
yellow
is
housing
and
then
coming
down
to
the
lower
left
is
behind
City
Hall.
G
The
residential
component
of
this
project
is
proposed
to
be
about
475
units
with
20
of
them
being
affordable
and
80
Workforce
rates
in
this
configuration.
The
three
residential
buildings
are
about
six
or
seven
stories
tall,
which
is
comparable
to
several
other
buildings
in
the
area,
including
the
office
building.
Next
to
City
Hall
that
houses
Congressman
Chef's
office,
each
Residential
Building
may
have
a
small
amount
of
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
the
private
buildings
will
have
their
own
parking
for
residents
and
Commercial
users.
That's
separate
from
the
public
parking
again.
G
This
is
just
one
possible
arrangement
of
elements,
but
it
shows
that
the
identified
lots
have
the
capacity
for
these
uses,
and
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
how
the
neighborhood
would
feel
so.
The
estimated
cost
of
the
public
assets,
that
is,
the
library,
the
office
space,
the
open
space
and
the
public
parking,
is
about
132
million
dollars
in
2023
dollars.
G
The
project
is
proposed
to
be
funded
through
a
combination
of
use
of
a
portion
of
the
revenues
from
fund
534,
the
municipal
infrastructure
fund,
which
was
established
by
the
measure
P
vote
of
the
residence
in
2018
to
enable
the
city
to
construct
and
improve
public
amenities
like
these.
In
addition,
the
project
hopes
to
bring
in
some
revenue
from
ground
leases
for
that
housing,
that
is,
on
public
property.
G
That
will
help
offset
the
costs
and
the
city
is
actively
seeking
grant
funding
for
various
aspects.
With
all
of
these
needs
considered.
Staff
have
recommended
to
city
council.
The
P3
public-private
partnership
model
is
as
a
way
to
proceed
with
the
work.
This
model
was
recently
successfully
used
in
the
Long
Beach
Civic
Center.
There's
a
few
pictures
from
that
project
here
that
project
was
much
larger.
It
included
a
new
city
hall,
Port
headquarters,
a
library,
a
Park,
Housing
and
hotels.
G
G
Well,
the
exact
version
of
this
P3
to
be
applied
to
this
project
has
not
been
determined.
The
elements
of
a
P3
can
generally
be
organized
under
the
acronym
dbfom,
the
city
engages
with
a
developer,
who
usually
organizes
a
Consortium
of
partner
entities
to
support
the
project.
The
D
and
B
are
for
design
and
build
standard
and
construction
projects
again,
while
being
designed,
the
P3
considers
the
long-term
maintenance
of
the
building
systems
and
finishes
avoiding
decisions
that
would
be
costly
down
the
road.
G
The
f
is
for
financing,
which
likely
would
be
handled
privately
by
the
development
partner,
but
ultimately
could
still
fall
in
the
city's
hands,
if
that
makes
the
most
Financial
sense
at
the
time.
As
you
know,
interest
rates
are
all
over
the
place
right
now,
and
so
some
of
those
those
areas
are
factors
in
making
that
decision.
At
the
time
the
o
m
Are
for
operations
and
maintenance.
G
So,
first
of
all,
there's
some
historic
considerations
that
are
relevant
in
two
areas:
City
Hall
is
a
nationally
registered
historic
building.
None
of
this
project
would
touch
City
Hall,
but
there
is
potential
for
development
on
the
adjacent
parking
lot
and
parking
structure.
So
an
assessment
of
potential
impacts
has
pointed
to
some
areas
to
be
considered
as
part
of
any
final
design.
G
The
Central
Library
itself
is
turning
60
years
old
this
month
and
while
it's
not
a
historically
designated
building,
the
analysis
showed
that
it
does
have
some
features
that
could
make
it
eligible
for
historic
consideration
under
local
state
and
national
law.
So
for
that
reason
those
features
will
be
considered
as
the
project
description
is
refined
and
potential
project
alternatives
are
identified
with
a
developer.
If
someone
comes
down
the
line
and
has
a
way
to
save
the
building
and
reuse
it
in
a
way
that
works
for
everyone,
that
would
be
fantastic.
G
Another
area
of
research
and
Analysis
has
been
how
the
Surplus
Land
Act
relates
to
this
project.
The
Surplus,
Land,
Act
or
SLA
is
a
state
law
enacted
in
2019
that
requires
public
agencies
to
carry
out
a
process
to
offer
their
Surplus
property
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing
before
the
property
can
be
used
for
other
purposes.
G
In
the
case
of
the
Civic
Center
project,
the
land
is
not
currently
Surplus
because,
right
now
it
houses
the
current
Library,
the
administrative
Services
Services
building
and
surface
and
Structure
Parking.
Depending
on
how
the
project
proceeds,
private
development
components
may
require
the
city
to
incorporate
an
SLA
process,
so
this
will
be
considered
as
a
possibility
in
all
of
the
project
timelines
in
order
to
ensure
that
we're
complying
with
that
law
and
then,
finally,
the
downtown
Burbank
Tod
specific
plan
is
making
progress
this
year.
G
This
plan
considers
changes
to
land
use
designations,
establishes
objective
development
standards
to
streamline
the
development
of
Housing
and
considers
infrastructure
impacts
of
new
housing
in
the
specific
plan
area,
which
this
project
is
within,
the
infrastructure
analysis
is
significant
to
the
Civic
Center
project,
because
the
Civic
Center
project
involves
housing.
It
will
create
increased
needs
for
water
power
and
Sewer
capacity,
the
library
itself
even
being
bigger,
probably
won't,
because
our
current
building
is
deeply
deeply
inefficient
and
being
as
old
as
it
is,
but
the
housing
will
create
more
demands
so
in
the
downtown
plan
area
entirely.
G
The
downtown
plan
also,
of
course,
contains
a
program,
environmental
impact
report
or
eir,
which
analyzes
all
of
this
information,
so
having
that
complete
for
the
whole
area
should
minimize
any
additional
review
required
for
this
Civic
Center
project
under
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act
commonly
known
as
sequa
as
noted.
The
downtown
plan
also
changes
land
use
designations.
The
sites
identified
as
potential
sites
for
housing
within
the
Civic
Center
project
are
not
currently
zoned
for
housing,
so
the
Civic
Center
project
will
be
proceeding
on
a
timeline.
G
So
what's
next,
staff
will
continue
to
refine
various
analyzes
and
considerations
in
alignment
with
the
downtown
plan
schedule.
We
anticipate
that
we
will
be
going
back
to
City
Council
in
Fall
of
2023,
with
a
fully
updated
Financial
feasibility
analysis
and
a
recommendation
to
initiate
the
procurement
stage
of
the
project.
The
procurement
will
be
multi-stage
and
will
continue
through
the
next
few
years.
There
will
be
additional
opportunities
for
public
input
once
a
preferred.
G
So
thank
you
for
your
attention,
along
with
my
colleagues
in
planning
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
know
about
our
project
website
burbankciviccenter.com
on
that
website,
along
with
information
about
the
project,
we
have
a
survey
that
you
can
fill
out
or
you
can
encourage
members
of
the
community
to
fill
out
to
provide
their
input
on
various
aspects
of
the
project,
and
people
can
also
sign
up
to
receive
project
updates.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Miss
golden.
We
will
now
open
the
meeting
to
hear
from
any
persons
who
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Each
person
may
address
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
maximum
time
of
three
minutes
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
planning
division
staff.
If
you
wish
to
speak
for
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
comment
by
telephone,
please
call
818.
B
B
B
B
D
G
Sure
the
the
parking
that's
for
the
public
uses
of
this
is
likely
to
be
at
least
partially
Subterranean,
since
we're
trying
to
use
all
the
surface
area
for
the
human
uses
for
the
buildings
and
for
the
open
space
and
then
for
the
residential
it.
It
may
be
above
ground
parking
podiums,
but
none
of
that's
been
100
determined
yet,
but
we
are
trying
to
just
as
a
general
planning
principle
trying
to
keep
the
the
street
level
area
available
for
pedestrians
bicycling
entering
the
buildings.
Events.
Things
like
that.
C
It's
a
quick
question:
full
disclosure,
I
love,
the
Sun
library
and
I
I.
It's
such
a
great
example
of
mid-century
architecture,
but
as
much
as
it
pains
me
to
say,
I
understand
that
the
needs
of
Library
Services
have
changed
very
much
since
the
pandemic,
and
especially
over
the
pandemic.
What
do
you
foresee,
because
it
is
such
a
great
architectural
resource?
What
do
you
see?
C
G
Sure,
well
the
analysis
we
did
was
about
reusing
it
as
a
library.
So
not
all
of
that
would
apply,
but
I
can
let
you
know
that
yes,
there's
Asbestos
and
lead
paint
in
the
building,
the
it's
not
up
to
the
current
seismic
code
and
well.
If
you've
used,
you
use
the
inside
too,
or
you
okay,
because
some
people
just
drive
by
and
love
it.
G
So
no
no
judgment
but,
for
example,
the
elevator
is
really
small
and
it's
in
the
back,
because
in
1963
they
never
thought
the
public
would
use
it
and
we
technically
have
Ada
restrooms,
but
they're,
not
comfortable
for
people
on
scooters
or
you
know.
A
lot
of
other
modern
needs
that
we
have
so
to
bring
it
up
to
both
the
code
and
the
standards
of
a
library
would
would
be
very
expensive
all
that
hazardous
materials,
remediation
and
the
seismic
would
need
to
be
done
regardless.
G
So,
really
what
what
would
need
to
happen
would
be
if
it
if
someone
came
along
with
an
idea
for
reusing
it,
there's
all
sorts
of
amazing
ideas
out
there
about
buildings
that
have
been
re
purposed
in
various
ways
that
range
from
the
whole
building
to
preserving
part
of
the
facade
or
echoing
certain
features
in
a
new
building.
The
the
things
that,
from
all
the
conversations
I've
had
with
people
in
the
community,
what
people
do
tend
to
think
of
is
is
really
just
two
of
the
external
walls
along
Glen
Oaks
and
along
all
of
the
other.
G
Two
walls
are
just
bricks
there.
No
one
sees
them
but
they're,
not
very
exciting,
and
the
inside
most
of
the
features
have
been
covered
up
over
the
years
or
they're,
not
as
distinct
for
that
style.
So
I
think
the
city
is
open
to
any
ideas
or
possibilities
that
come
along
the
way.
Ultimately,
the
this
project
right
now,
the
financing,
where
the
we're
looking
at
at
those
ground
leases
to
help
offset
the
costs.
H
And,
commissioner,
if
I
mean
Vice
chair
just
to
add
we're
going
through
the
process
of
the
specific
plan,
so
part
of
it
includes
a
programmatic
eir.
Some
of
the
points
that
Miss
Goldman
mentioned
will
be
looked
at
as
part
of
the
specific
plan
process.
So
if
there's
any
any
possibility
of
adaptive
reuse
of
it
per
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards,
clearly
that
would
be
beneficial,
but
we're
looking
at
all
options,
including
those
that,
if,
for
whatever
reason,
we
can't
preserve
the
structure,
what
is
the
process
you
would
go
through?
H
That's
something
that
the
commission
would
be
hearing
about
at
Future
meetings
for
individual
projects,
as
well
as
for
the
specific
plan
as
a
whole,
and
then
the
council
ultimately
would
be
considering
the
specific
plan,
as
well
as
the
project
that
Miss
Goldman
is
presenting
to
you.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things.
H
There's
a
lot
of
variables,
I
think
we're
going
into
it
with
the
best
of
intentions
to
see
how
we
can
preserve
as
much
of
the
resources,
while
introducing
many
of
the
amenities
that
Miss
Goldman
noted
that
are
of
quite
a
big
interest
to
the
community
as
a
whole.
So
everybody's
really
excited
about
the
project,
and
at
this
point
you
know
thanking
Miss
Goldman
for
bringing
it
forward
to
you
all
to
give
you
kind
of
an
introduction
to
it,
and
you
can
kind
of
be
thinking
about
this
project.
C
C
I
know
right
now
in
terms
of
Library
services,
that
the
Buena
Vista
branch
is
the
one
that
I
believe
they're
the
only
Branch
that's
open
on
Sunday,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
the
branch
with
the
most
resources
available,
whereas
the
central
branch
is
our
Central
Branch
in
lagging
and
I
personally
feel
that,
just
since
it
is
downtown
the
community
we
get
the
most
use
out
of
it.
Do
you
anticipate
opening
up
the
hours
of
operation
to
be
more
than
the
Buena
Vista
Branch
are
on
par
with
it.
G
G
It's
also
got
a
lovely
little
toddler
playground
next
to
it
and
ample
parking,
and
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
lacking
at
the
Central
Library,
but
the
Buena
Vista
library,
when
it
opened
in
2002
the
city
staff
at
the
time,
believed
that
it
would
see
a
spike
in
usage
and
then
it
would
come
back
down
and
that
never
really
happened.
That
library
is
every
seat
in
it
is
full
all
day.
New
people
are
lined
up,
so
it
can't
really.
G
It
can't
really
sustain
that
on
its
own
and
so
the
Central
Library,
both
being
a
nicer
like,
for
instance,
we
have
no
natural
light
in
the
current
Central
Library.
So
if
there
were
some
natural
light,
there
were
some
Outlets,
that's
one
of
our
biggest
command
meeting
rooms
and
study
rooms.
It
won't
so
much
be
packing
more
books
in,
but
the
demand
is
really
for
space
for
people
to
be
in
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
just
kind
of
balance
out
the
system
as
a
whole.
By
having
this
modern
Central
Library.
A
A
I
guess
my
focus
on
this.
Is
it's
a
little
overwhelming
for
me,
because
there's
so
much
I
really
believe
that
the
library
project
should
be
a
separate
project
that
takes
priority
over
everything
else.
It
is
the
driver
and
it's
going
to
be
the
driver
for
the
development
and
is
going
to
be
the
place
where
people
go
and
it's
a
destination
thing
when
you
have
a
destination
property.
A
A
It
really
I
mean
I
I
again,
my
only
reference
is
New
York
City,
where
we
did
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
and
we
learned
that
there
are
things
that
you
have
to
put
in
place
for
civilization
to
come.
Okay,
you
can
build
the
apartments,
but
if
you
don't
have
a
dry
cleaner
and
you
don't
have
a
place
to
buy
a
quart
of
milk
in
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
going
to
work.
Okay,
the
library
as
I
said
I,
know
I'm
harping
on
this.
It
is
incredibly
important
to
defining
the
area.
A
I
really
believe
that
the
library
project
portion
of
this,
the
phase
of
this
thing
should
be
prioritized.
It
should
be
the
first
thing.
That's
done
it's
the
first
thing
that
should
be
forget
about
creating
the
budgets
for
the
other
side.
I
really
believe
that
the
library
aspect
of
this
must
be
addressed
and
I
can't
overemphasize.
That
I
mean
it
should
not
be
mixed
in
with
the
rest
of
this.
C
G
Thank
you,
I
really
appreciate
those
comments
and
ultimately
the
answer
to
your
question
is
for
city
council,
but
I
can
say
you
know.
As
I
mentioned,
this
project
has
been
attempted
many
many
times
over
the
years
and
ultimately
I
believe
it's
come
down
to
funding
and
competing
priorities.
A
library
building
is
not
cheap
to
build,
among
other
things.
G
The
our
idea
now
is
that,
because
the
library
on
its
own
has
not
has
not
been
able
to
make
it
all
the
way
through
to
an
actual
project
over
the
years,
we
wanted
to
take
this
little
bit
of
a
broader
look
and
all
the
other
items
that
are
part
of
it
are
real
needs
too,
but
I
do
I.
Do
really
appreciate
your
point
there
and
there's
lots
of
studies
that
show
the
economic
impact
of
new
libraries
and
the
impact
on
housing
values.
When
there's
a
new
library
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
all
those
other
factors.
A
You
have
no
idea
the
complexity
of
building
a
supermarket
okay
and
the
same
idea
to
me
with
a
library,
because
it's
not
just
books,
I
think
you
would
agree
with
me
that
it's
getting
people
in
there
using
the
resources
having
a
class,
you
know
whatever
it
is
suddenly
having
like
a
major
screenwriter,
because
they're
not
doing
anything
right
now
coming
in,
and
you
know
talking
to
people
that
that
energy
and
so
again,
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
doing
but
I.
Just
it's
a
separate
project.
It
can't
be
mixed
in
with
the
others.
A
B
B
A
library,
that's
the
from
my
understanding,
is
the
focus
of
this
presentation,
and
how
did
we
get
from
a
library
to
four
blocks?
Five
blocks
of
development,
including
apartments
and
Retail,
and
other
office
open
space
and
so
forth?
I
got
the
gist
of
what
you
said
earlier
to
Mr
Monaco's
comments
in
terms
of
we
couldn't
get
here,
so
we're
looking
at
it
in
a
broader
sense.
Now,
I
would
like
to
explore
as
to
why
we
couldn't
get
here.
B
G
That
was
before
my
time,
unfortunately,
measure.
One
of
the
issues
with
measure
out
was
the
way
the
ballot
measure
was
written.
It
really
constrained
the
city
to
have
be
able
to
find
those
particular
matching
funds,
so
it
used
to
be
that
the
state
pretty
regularly
had
grants
for
Library
construction
and
I
know
after
measure
all
the
city
applied
in
2003
and
2004
and
was
not
funded.
G
I
didn't
I,
wasn't
in
California
at
the
time,
so
I
can't
speak
to
the
exact
priorities,
but
that
opportunity
has
come
back
again
now
and
I
know
this
time.
Just
if
there's
any
parallels,
the
focus
is
really
on
more
impoverished
communities.
That
would
be
less
likely
to
be
able
to
fund
the
project
locally.
That's
one
of
the
factors,
after
that
the
state
ceased
to
have
that
funding
stream
up
until
2022..
G
That
was
how
long
it
took
to
come
back
at
the
state
level,
and
even
that
coming
back
was
the
result
of
many
many
years
of
lobbying
at
the
state
level
to
convince
legislation
legislators
that
there
was
value
in
this.
We
have
challenges
with
our
building,
but
there
are
parts
of
the
state
that
where
libraries
are
functioning
in
in
buildings
that
are
truly
in
terrible
condition
and
have
barely
any
resources.
G
So
so
again,
I
can't
speak
to
the
details
of
why
we
didn't
receive
it,
but
it's
possible
if
that
had
that
funding
source
had
continued
to
exist,
we
would
have
been
able
to.
You
know,
improve
our
application
and
get
it
in
in
later
years,
but
once
it
went
away
there
just
wasn't
an
option
to
obtain
that
funding
again
until
until
now.
G
So
in
addition
to
that,
I
know
that
the
I
know
there
was
an
effort
to
get
some
federal
stimulus
funding
for
the
project
in
2009
after
the
recession
I
know
there
was
an
idea
to
do
a
much
smaller
version
in
2011
and-
and
you
know,
the
none
of
those
projects
honestly
moved
that
far
I.
There
I
think
it
was
the
political
landscape.
At
the
time
there
was
a
recession
in
there
all
sorts
of
challenges
right
now.
G
There's
the
financial
Factor
there's
also
just
looking
at
these
pieces
of
land,
so
the
council
Direction
at
the
completion
of
our
initial
study.
The
Vision
study
was
that
the
ideal,
the
council's
preferred
spot
for
the
library,
was
across
the
street
on
where
the
EV
charging
spaces
are
at
the
top
corner
of
Glen,
Oaks
and
Olive.
G
To
move
the
library
there.
You
could
just
build
a
building,
but
then
that
block
becomes
pretty
dense,
so
the
then
you
would
like,
and
the
administrative
Services
building
is
also
60
years
old
and
also
in
in
near
failing
condition.
So
this
goes
actually
back
to
that
plan
development
for
the
Civic
Center
in
2003.
The
idea
then
lists
the
library
on
the
corner,
we're
still
looking
at
now
and
an
open
space
in
the
middle.
There
then
you're
taking
away
the
surface
parking,
so
you
need
to
build
some
parking.
G
So
those
elements
it's
pretty
hard
to
pull
the
library
out
as
just
one
of
the
elements
unless
there
were
an
option
for
us
to
be
a
practical
option
to
redevelop
on
the
current
site,
and
that
lot
is
just
a
real
challenge.
There
isn't
really
a
way
to
build
this
bigger
library
and
resolve
the
some
of
the
challenges
we
have,
like
lack
of
connection
to
the
open
space,
lack
of
open
space,
lack
of
parking
on
that
lot.
G
So
all
of
that,
then,
is
the
cost
of
a
library
plus
these
other
factors,
and
ultimately,
yes,
there
is.
There
is
a
version
of
this
where
the
city
could
just
issue
debt
for
the
whole
project.
That
would
take
up
a
lot
of
the
city's
capacity
and,
as
you
may
be
aware,
there's
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
of
other
unmet
infrastructure
needs
in
the
city.
G
So
we
didn't
want
to
take
up
all
of
that
money
or
all
of
the
city's
debt
capacity,
if
possible,
and
bringing
in
some
revenue
from
the
housing
is
really
really
appears
to
be
the
best
path
to
balance.
All
of
those
needs
out,
plus
the
city
has
this
commitment
to
build
over
8
000
units
as
part
of
that
Regional
Regional
Housing
needs
allocation
for
Burbank,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
going
to
happen
in
this
kind
of
downtown
Civic
Center
area.
G
So
all
in
all
this
project,
you
know
brings
together
and
a
lot
of
different
elements
that
support
a
lot
of
the
different
city
council
goals
and
will
also
support
each
other.
So
you
have
a
library
near
housing
and
that's
going
to
be
a
draw
for
the
people
who
live
there.
It's
going
to
provide
supports
for
kids
who
are
living
there,
adults
who
maybe
are
doing
online
training
programs.
The
library
is
doing
a
lot
more
job,
training
and
support
for
entrepreneurs
these
days.
G
So
thinking
about
how
we
can
use
that
as
a
small
business
center
connect
with
the
San
Fernando
businesses
bring
energy
to
the
whole
downtown.
You
know
it
all
kind
of
goes
together
really
nicely,
even
if
it
does
make
the
project
have
more
elements
and
become
a
little
more
complex
than
a
library
on
its
own.
G
G
We
can
have
get
those
answers
for
you
from
Ms
Becker,
our
financial
services
director
and
send
them
to
this
group,
but
that
the
the
that's
a
quarter-
Cent
three-quarter
transaction
and
use
tax
sales
tax
and
the
revenue
is
split
between
for
the
unit
for
infrastructure
and
then
General
City
needs
it's
doing.
It's
quite
healthy.
Burbank
Burbank
does
have
good
revenue
for
that,
but
again,
there's
so
many
needs.
So
most
of
what
you've
seen
is
the
results
of
that
tax
to
date
have
has
been
Street
Paving.
G
B
And
and
I
think,
unlike
Los
Angeles,
we
don't
have
particles
all
over
the
place.
So
now
the
other
question
I
had
was
the
45
000
square
foot.
That's
presently,
you
know
exists
and
the
proposal
is
60
000
square
feet.
Now,
that's
just
the
jump
of
25
percent.
Now,
how
was
that
determination
reach?
How?
How
did
someone
say?
Well,
you
know
what
we
have
45
000
feet.
What
we
really
need
is
something
65
000
feet.
G
That
was
all
part
of
that
2021
Vision
study.
That
was
a
large
part
of
the
work
there
was
to
identify
what
really
was
the
right
size
for
the
new
library.
So,
for
example,
it
looked
at
things
like
in
the
current
Library,
the
there's
more
behind
the
scenes
spaces
than
are
necessary
because
back
in
1963
we
did
a
lot
of
things
manually
that
are
now
automated
and
don't
require
as
much
space
like
cataloging
of
books,
there's
also
a
way
larger
mechanical
room
than
you
would
need
today,
and
things
like
that.
G
So,
even
if
we
kept
the
same
square
footage
in
the
and
we
organized
it,
we'd
be
able
to
get
some
more
space
for
the
public,
but
in
terms
of
what
the
community
demands
were,
we
did
see
that
we
needed
extra
space
as
well.
One
of
the
things
we're
lacking
in
the
Central
Library
is
study
rooms,
and
then
we
only
have
three
over
at
Buena
Vista.
There
is
a
huge
huge
demand
for
places
where
people
can
just
be
quiet
and
study
or
work
as
well
as
these
days.
G
We're
also
supporting
people
who
have
zoom
job
interviews
or
need
to
be
proctored
for
an
online
exam
and
they
need
they
need
spaces
with
that
equipment.
There's
also
a
real
lack
of
meeting
room
space
in
Burbank
for
Community
groups
and
so
another
need
that
we're
trying
to
meet
in
the
building
is
to
have
you
know
various
sizes
of
rooms
that
can
be
available
at
lots
of
different
times
of
day,
possibly
even
Beyond
when
the
library
is
open
and
then
just
seating
and
different
types
of
spaces.
G
In
the
Central
Library,
we
have
a
little
mini
pilot
project
of
a
space
called
the
spark
lab.
That's
digital
media
training
for
people
who
are
learning
the
skills
to
work
in
our
local
media
industry.
And
it's
you
know
it's
only
400
square
feet
right
now.
It's
a
great
space
people
are
loving
it.
It's
helping
meet
the
goals
of
the
project
which
were
to
provide
access
to
people.
You
know,
there's
some
very
expensive
software
and
Equipment
involved
there.
So
it's
providing
great
access,
but
we
really
need
a
space.
That's
several
times
larger.
G
We
don't
have
anywhere
for
kids
to
do
homework
after
school.
At
the
current
Central
Library
there's
about
four
tables
in
the
children's
area,
and
they
fill
up
like
that
as
soon
as
school
ends,
and
then
that's
just
it
there's
nowhere
for
kids
to
do
their
homework
in
that
healthy
setting.
So
so
all
of
that
there's
there's
there
is
there
is
the
need.
Also,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know,
statistically
speaking,
we
look
at.
G
We
compare
ourselves
to
some
of
the
other
libraries
in
the
area
that
are,
you
know
the
independent
medium-sized
cities
like
Glendale,
Pasadena,
Santa,
Monica,
Torrance
and
looking
at
our
set
of
comparator
libraries.
If
we
look
at
our
annual
in-person
uses
people
who
come
on
site
compared
to
our
square
footage,
we
are
way
under
the
average
for
this
market
area.
So
between
those
two,
the
determination
was
made
that
65
000
square
feet
would
be
keep
the
project
financially
feasible
for
the
city
and
also
meet
as
many
of
these
needs
as
possible.
B
G
The
alternative
to
the
P3
is
really
your
more
traditional
construction
project
where
the
city
just
issues
the
debt
and
issues,
bonds
or
debt
and
then
identifies
a
contractor
to
do
the
design.
Often
the
design
is
one
step
of
the
process
and
then
that's
bid
out
for
construction,
sometimes
there's
a
there's
another
model
where
that's
done
as
a
whole,
and
so
that
you
can
have
some
of
these
considerations
about
how
how
one
leads
to
the
other,
but
generally
that
that's
it.
G
And
then,
once
the
building
is
done
with
construction,
then
the
everyday
operations
maintenance
are
turned
over
to
the
public
works
department
like
any
other
city
building,
and
it's
up
to
the
city
to
ensure
that
there's
a
plan
to
keep
the
building
up
and
maintain
it
over
the
years
which
all
municipalities,
including
Burbank,
really
struggle
with.
So
that's
the
more
traditional
way
to
go,
and
there
are
lots
of
cities
still
doing
that.
The
public-private
partnership
is
a
little
bit
of
a
newer
concept
to
be
applied
to
this
type
of
project.
G
It's
more
commonly
used
in
really
major
infrastructure
like
toll
roads
or
ferries
or
Subway
systems,
especially
where
there's
some
Revenue
stream.
So
our
idea,
our
awareness
of
the
P3
as
a
possible
model
came
from
Long
Beach
and
several
of
us
went
down
there
a
few
years
ago
and
talked
to
the
staff
there
about
their
experience
and
and
it
it
seemed
like
it
was
beneficial
to
the
city
to
introduce
this.
G
This
new
way
of
looking
at
things
because
of
that
risk
transfer
I
mentioned
so
so,
basically,
there's
a
very
it's
sort
of
more
work
up
front.
There's
more
work
for
this
city
to
identify
exactly
what
our
needs
are
and
be
able
to
speak
them
clearly,
and
even
that
exercise
in
and
of
itself
can
provide
some
benefits
long
term.
So
there's
fewer
changes
in
the
project
along
along
the
way,
but
generally
it
provides
some
potential
benefits
for
the
city
on
the
Financial
Risk
front,
from
their
being
able
to
be
the
money.
G
The
funding
obtained
privately,
as
well
as
as
well
as
looking
at
the
long-term
use
as
part
of
the
original
design.
The
housing
is
not
strictly
speaking,
the
thing
that
makes
this
a
public-private
partnership,
but
that
model
is
commonly
used
when
you
do
have
both
public
and
private
development,
sharing,
sorry
sharing
a
site
or
or
sometimes
a
building,
there's
actually
a
lot
of
examples
out
there
of
smaller
Branch
libraries
that
have
housing
built
right
on
top
of
them
in
a
lot
of
cities.
G
A
Obviously,
I've
taking
a
little
bit
of
a
personal
interest
in
this
I,
really
like
the
idea
of
the
public
private
partnership.
They
do
very
well
in
a
number
of
cases,
but
again
going
back
to
the
library,
I
think
there's
a
different
Dynamic
that
has
to
be
injected
into
it,
and
it
is
something
that
the
whole
city
has
to
get
behind
and
I'm
talking
the
the
going
everywhere
to
you
know
you
can
buy
a
brick
for
the
whole
for
the
walkway
going
up
at
whatever
it
is
25
30.
A
you
get
somebody
to
put
a
mural
again.
Each
tile
is
I
mean
I'm,
just
throwing
things
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
from
the
public
private
type
setup.
I
think
it
has
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
hybrid
there
and
the
Dynamics.
The
energy
has
to
be
put
into
this
project
with
the
whole.
Ever
the
entire
city
has
to
have
skin
in
this
game
and
because
it's
going
to
Define,
Who,
We
Are,
sorry
I'm
getting
frosted
up
on
this,
but
I
really
believe
that
this
is.
B
G
I
just
will
know
we
we
will
plan.
When
we
get
further
down
the
road,
we
will
plan
to
do
a
capital
campaign
as
well
and
you're
you're
completely
right.
Libraries
are
for
the
people,
and
people
want
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
see
their
name
that
they
contributed
to
it.
Even
if
it
was
in
a
very
small
way.
There
will
also
be
art
in
public
places,
opportunities
for
art
and
hopefully,
some
local
art
there
and
ways
for
ways
to
engage
the
young
people
in
the
community
in
the
design
process,
and
things
like
that.
B
A
I
I
think
I
made
the
point
and
I
think
you
understand
that
it
there's
a
difference
between
the
library
and
the
cultural
aspects
to
building
commercial
space
and
Section
8
housing,
or
something
like
that
which
has
its
own
Dynamic
and
own
requirements.
So
I
guess
that's
really.
The
the
only
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
there
has
to
be
individual
energy.
C
I
want
to
say,
I
think
I've
made
my
point
and
I
won't
to
respect
everybody's
time.
Just
I
really
do
think
the
Central
Library
is.
This
is
going
to
be
a
great
project,
I'm
very
excited
for
it.
If
you
would
have
asked
me
about
it
a
couple
years
ago,
I
would
have
probably
threatened
to
like
chain
myself
to
the
central
library
and
say
no,
no
save
it
save
it
and
I
hope
it
can
be
saved.
C
I
really
I
really
do
because
I
and
I
understand
that
sometimes
it
cannot,
but
I
really
really
do
hope
that
this
is
something
and
I'm
sure
it
will
be
something
exciting
for
a
part
of
town
that
is
under
serviced
and
so
I
think
that's
I,
think
that's
exciting.
I
think
the
P3
partnership
is
is
interesting
and
it
will
be
good
moving
forward,
given
the
fact
that
other
methods
have
failed
and
it
is
usually
they
are
successful.
So
good
luck,
I
can't
wait
to
see
another
update.
D
B
Well,
let
me
surprise
you
all
and
I
I'm,
not
too
keen
on
this
P3
business,
because
wherever
there's
a
risk,
there's
a
reward:
No
One's,
Gonna,
Do
Anything
for
free,
so
any
developer.
Coming
in,
if
they're
not
going
to
make
two
three
times
their
money,
they're
not
going
to
get
involved
in
any
of
this
and
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
if
you're
planning
to
stay
around
Burbank
for
a
while,
but
I
can
probably
assure
you
by
the
time
this
project
is
completed
and
a
shovel
goes
into
the
ground.
B
I,
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
around
to
see
it,
because
anything
massive
of
this
size
with
so
many
moving
Parts
is
going
to
lend
itself
to
a
lot
of
planning
a
lot
of
discussions,
a
lot
of
talking,
a
lot
of
and
and
haggling
and
I.
Think
if
this
project
this
type
of
a
massive
well
for
Burbank,
it's
pretty
big
a
big
project
like
this
to
go
forward.
I
think
the
best
way
to
push
it
Forward
quickly
is
to
make
sure
that
everyone
understands
all
the
mechanics
going
going
into
it
up
front.
B
What
I
mean
by
that
all
the
finances
needs
to
be
transparent?
The
question
that
I
asked
regarding
well
how
much
money
is
in
a
measure,
P
well
we're
gonna
find
out,
and
why
is
it
that
some
of
that
money
cannot
be
allocated
to
just
doing
a
library
and
getting
the
project
done
sooner
than
the
second
grader
being
a
high
school
graduate
before
it's
over?
So
in
that
sense,
I
I,
don't
think
this
is
even
feasible
to
tell
you
the
truth:
I.
B
It
is
a
great
idea,
but
all
ideas
when
you
start
putting
it
to
paper
on
paper.
It
looks
very
nice,
but
once
you
start
the
implementation,
it
becomes
impossible
and
if
it
is
something
that
the
community
needs
which
we
established
and
we
know
I
think
the
focus
should
be
well.
How
do
we
deliver
this
to
the
community
as
quickly
as
possible?
B
B
We
need
the
library,
let's
get
the
library
done
and
a
anytime
you
sit
at
the
table
with
any
stakeholder
and
you're
saying.
Well,
you
know
why
don't
you
pay
for
it,
and
then
you
know
we'll
we'll
give
you
this
for
a
little
bit
and
then
we'll
give
you
that
for
a
little
bit,
you
pass
that's
a
position
of
it's
a
losing
position
proposition
because
you're
negotiating
from
a
position
of
weakness,
you're
asking
someone
to
give
you
something
that
you're
going
to
use
over
30
years.
B
Well,
what
kind
of
return
do
you
think
those
people
are
going
to
ask
you
to
put
in
and
who's
paying
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
community,
the
the
citizens
of
Burbank
are
paying?
Do
they
know
what
is
going,
what
it's
going
to
take
to
get
a
project
like
this?
Does
anyone
have
any
idea
and
are
they
able
to
explain
it
to
the
citizens?
You
know
what
we're
going
to
give
you
a
library,
but
it's
going
to
cost
you.
Instead
of
a
60
million
dollars,
it's
going
to
cost
you
about
380
million
dollars.
B
So
I'm
I'm,
definitely
not
with
this
P3
business.
Long
Beach
was
a
different
scenario.
You
can
see
the
buildings
over
there
and
the
size
of
those
buildings.
That
is
not
what
we
have
here
and
it's
not
compatible.
So
it's
a
nice
idea,
but
I
think
the
focus
should
be.
Let's
get
a
library
for
the
kids
and
let's
worry
about
these
other
elements.
We
can
always
play
around
with
those
other
elements.
A
developer
will
also
will
jump
at
the
chance
of
you
know.
B
B
Now
is
the
time
and
place
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
consider
a
report
on
the
Golden
State
specific
plan
and
Association
General
plan
amendment
I
think
that's
what
that
word
is.
Will
the
representative
of
the
Community
Development
Department,
please
introduce
yourself
and
summarize
the
report
for
us.
I
I
I
A
quick
overview
of
the
presentation.
I
will
begin
a
discussion
with
some
background
on
the
specific
plan
and
we'll
then
go
over
the
product
schedule,
as
well
as
the
proposed
land
use
approach.
I
will
also
go
over
and
conclude
with
a
discussion
on
two
product
Alternatives
that
we're
looking
at
as
well
as
next
steps
for
the
specific
plan.
I
Let's
begin
with
some
quick
background,
preparation
of
the
Golden
State
specific
plan
is
included
as
an
implementation
program
in
the
Burbank
2035
General
plan
to
complete
this
implementation
program
in
2016,
the
city
secured
grant
funding
from
the
California
High-Speed
role,
Authority
and
also
Metro
to
Begin
work
on
the
specific
plan.
The
project
was
initiated
in
2016..
I
Since
initiation
staff
has
made
continual
progress
on
the
project.
However,
there
have
been
pauses
along
the
way
that
have
led
to
the
extended
timeline.
These
pauses
were
initially
related
to
limited
staff
resources
and,
more
recently
have
been
related
to
ongoing
coordination
with
other
long-range
planning
efforts.
It
is
not
worthy
to
state
that
in
2018
the
city
council
said
to
go
to
facilitate
for
12
000
residential
units
by
2035.
I
I
With
that,
let's
quickly
go
over
the
specific
plan
area
boundaries.
The
specific
plan
area
is
located
south
and
east
of
the
Hollywood
Burbank
Airport.
It
is
not
downtown
Burbank
just
to
avoid
the
confusion
and
is
generally
bounded
by
Cohasset
Street
and
the
Interstate
5
Freeway
to
the
North
Buena
Vista
Street
to
the
East
Van
Owen
Street
and
Pacific
Avenue
to
the
South
and
the
Hollywood
Burbank
Airport
to
the
West.
It
includes
land
zone
for
industrial,
commercial
and
residential
uses.
I
Another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
area
is
in
close
proximity
to
an
airport,
because
a
specific
plant
area
is
adjacent
to
the
Hollywood
Burbank
airport.
We
have
to
be
cognizant
of
airport
adjacent
land
use
restrictions,
some
of
which
include
limiting
development
and
uses
within
Runway
protection
zones
and
also
areas
with
high
levels
of
aircraft
related
noise.
I
One
last
piece
of
background:
over
the
past
five
to
eight
years,
the
specific
plan
area
has
seen
an
interest
in
the
Redevelopment
of
property.
The
image
on
this
slide
includes
projects
that
have
been
submitted
for
City
Review
over
the
past
five
to
eight
years.
Some
other
projects
like
Avon
Burbank,
MSG
sphere
Studios
and
the
Redevelopment
of
the
former
frysite
have
been
previously
approved.
I
Let's
now
talk
about
the
product
schedule.
Work
on
the
specific
plan
has
been
divided
into
five
phases.
Phase.
One
is
a
discovery
phase
during
which
we
gained
an
understanding
of
existing
conditions.
This
has
been
completed.
Phase
two
is
a
visioning
phase
during
which
a
vision,
guiding
principles
and
a
draft
plan
framework
were
developed.
This
has
also
been
completed.
I
Phase
three
is
the
Alternatives
and
plan
preparation
phase
we
are
currently
in
this
phase.
A
drop
of
the
specific
plan
document
and
environmental
analysis
is
currently
being
prepared.
We
anticipated
work
for
phase
three
to
run
through
fall
of
this
year.
Phase
4
is
a
public
review
phase.
During
this
phase,
we
will
release
draft
documents
for
public
review
and
comment.
I
We
anticipate
reaching
this
phase
again
follow
this
year
and
finally,
there
is
Phase
five,
the
adoption
and
implementation
phase.
During
this
phase,
we
will
be
coming
before
the
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
with
a
final
plan
and
environmental
analysis.
This
is
scheduled
for
first
quarter
of
2024.
throughout
each
phase
of
the
project.
We
have
and
will
continue
to
keep
the
council
Planning,
Commission
and
public
involved
through
several
engagement
strategies
that
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
public
workshops,
reports
to
council
and
presentations
to
the
several
boards
and
commissions,
including
this
Planning
Commission,.
I
As
mentioned,
the
vision
and
a
vision
has
been
established
for
the
project.
It
states
that
the
Golden
State
area
should
be
a
vibrant
economic,
Center
and
Transportation
Hub
that
facilitates
a
preservation
of
existing
key
Industries,
while
creating
new
opportunities
for
housing
and
jobs,
with
an
elevated
sense
of
arrival
from
the
Hollywood
Burbank
Airport
Metrolink
stations
and
proposed
High-Speed
Rail
station
guiding
principles
were
also
established
to
support
the
vision
exhibit
B
of
stats
report
includes
these
exp
an
expanded
version
of
each
guiding
principle.
They
generally
include
to
build
neighborhoods
support.
I
I
Leverage
Transportation
assets
support
the
district
as
an
economic
engine,
encourage
a
unique
District
identity
and
support
the
airport.
These
will
something
to
note
these
will
be
slightly
updated
to
include
feedback
received
from
the
city
council
at
the
April
25th
city
council
meeting
as
part
of
phase
two,
a
plan
framework
was
established
that
includes
proposed
land
uses.
However,
before
looking
at
the
proposed
land
uses,
let's
look
at
existing
conditions.
I
I
I
This
is
done
by
limiting
the
changes
proposed
to
the
existing
high
density
and
low
density,
residential
neighborhoods,
facilitating
for
residential
development
within
a
half
mile,
the
Metrolink
stations,
the
proposed
High-Speed
Rail
station
and
along
major
corridors
accommodating
for
a
balanced
mix
of
commercial
and
Industrial
uses,
including
neighborhood
serving
uses,
and
also
by
planning
in
a
manner
that
is
cognizant
of
again
existing
airport
adjacency
landing
restrictions.
The
areas
in
brown
and
yellow
are
the
existing
residential
neighborhoods.
I
The
areas
in
purple
are
areas
in
which
we
in
which
mixed
food
residential
would
be
envisioned,
and
the
areas
in
blue
and
red
are
areas
where
we
could
see
a
mix
of
commercial
and
Industrial
all
right.
So
what
does
this
all
mean
for
the
area?
Those
areas
we
envision
in
which
we
envision
higher
density,
makes
you
residential
are
identified
in
purple
in
these
areas.
We
envision
development
that
can
reach
up
to
120
dollar
units
per
acre.
These
properties
are
all
within
a
half
mile
Metrolink
stations
and
the
proposed
High-Speed
Rail
station.
I
I
Those
areas
where
we
envision
mid
density
mixtures
residential,
are
identified
now
they're
identified
on
the
screen
in
magenta.
In
these
areas
we
envision
that
development
can
range
between
58
to
100
dollar
units
per
acre.
These
properties
are
generally
within
major
corridors
such
as
Empire
Avenue,
and
this
is
what
developing
can
look
like
in
these
areas.
I
Moving
on
to
the
next
Slide,
the
areas
identified
on
the
screen
in
Peach
would
be
areas
where
we
envision
commercial
development
residential
would
not
be
permitted.
This
is
what
developing
can
look
like.
This
is
what
development
can
look
like
in
this
area.
It
would
include
medium
scale,
commercial
development
that
maximizes
the
use
of
publicly
accessible,
open
space
and
again
residential,
would
not
be
permitted.
I
Now,
let's
talk
about
industrially
zone
property,
the
areas
identified
on
the
screen
in
light
blue
would
be
areas
where
we
envision
industrial
uses.
Additionally
the
area
in
dark
blue
identified,
as
the
makers
District,
would
be
an
area
where
we
would
facilitate
for
neighborhood
serving
uses
that
can
serve
both
the
employment
sector
and
residents
of
the
area
in
this
area.
Residential
would
not
be
permitted.
I
This
is
what
developing
can
look
like
in
this
area.
It
would
include
industrial
and
compatible
media
uses,
as
well
as
neighborhood
serving
uses
within
again
the
identified
makers
District
and
then
finally,
there
are
existing
residential
neighborhoods
in
the
study
area.
These
areas
would
generally
remain
the
same
or
unchanged
and
they're
identified
in
the
screen
in
Orange
darker
orange
and
light
orange,
and
this
is
what
developing
can
look
like
in
this
area.
I
It
would
include
single
family
and
multi-family
development
that
is
complementary
to
the
existing
neighborhood
and
includes
a
mix
of
Housing
and
includes
a
mix
of
housing,
types
and
affordability
all
right.
So
what
does
this
all
mean
specifically
when
looking
at
it
to
the
lens
of
total
net
new
development?
So
we
forecasted
two
different
scenarios.
The
first
scenario
is
what
would
happen
if
development
occurred
at
the
densities
in
floor
areas
that
we
envision
in
our
city
standards
and
also
our
general
plan?
I
I
You
also
see
opportunity
sites
where
we
believe
some
of
the
development
may
occur
so
moving
on
to
the
second
scenario,
the
second
scenario
is
what
would
happen
if
development
requested
that
in
scenario
one,
but
also
on
top
of
that,
they
requested
density
bonuses
as
a
lot
on
their
state
regulations.
So
why
are
we
looking
at
this
scenario?
We
are
looking
at
it
because
a
number
of
recent
housing
projects
that
have
come
before
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city
council
they've,
actually
requested
these
types
of
density
increases.
I
having
gone
over
the
land,
use
approach
and
also
the
forecasted
build
out.
Let's
quickly
go
over
next
steps,
as
stated,
we
are
currently
in
phase
three
of
the
project.
We
are
working
on
draft
documents
that
will
be
made
available
for
public
review
fall
of
this
year.
We
anticipate
having
a
final
plan
and
environmental
analysis
before
the
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
first
quarter
of
2024..
I
These
are
some
of
the
upcoming
major
milestones.
We
will
have
a
public
re-engagement
Workshop
in
June,
followed
by
a
city
council
study
session
on
mobility
in
July,
and
those
dates
are
to
be
determined.
However,
I'm
almost
certain,
but
to
be
confirmed
over
the
next
week
that
the
public
Workshop
in
June
will
occurred.
June
21st.
I
All
right
so
just
a
quick
conclusion:
staff
anticipates
again
having
a
plan
ready
for
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
consideration
and
potential
adoption.
First
quarter
of
2024.
again
We've
ran,
develop
and
forecasts
to
assume
projected
growth
in
the
study
area.
We've
gone
through
the
numbers,
however,
they
are
also
included
in
the
slide
on
the
screen
and
also
in
staff
support
and
again
there
is
an
Outreach
event
scheduled
for
as
of
today,
June
21st
of
2023.
I
B
Thank
you,
Miss
Serbia.
We
will
now
open
the
meeting
to
hear
from
any
persons
who
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Each
person
may
address
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
maximum
time
of
three
minutes
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
planning
division
staff.
If
you
wish
to
speak
for
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
comment
by
telephone,
please
call
818-238-3335
to
address
the
Planning.
Commission
callers
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
all
in-person
comments
have
been
received.
B
B
I
I
I
Something
like
that,
so
the
intent
behind
Runway
protection
zones
is
to
identify
areas
where
cities
have
to
to
to
be
a
little
bit
more
aware
of
uses
going
in
those
areas
to
minimize
potential
hazards
down
the
line
that
could
happen.
If
there
are
accidents
and
on
the
screen,
you
will
identify
the
you
will
see
those
areas
in
Blue.
Please
note
that
these
areas
that
these
are
approximate
areas,
the
actual
exact
protection
zones,
will
be
in
the
future
city
documents
and
future
city
presentations.
I
So
so,
in
this
case,
I
guess
just
to
focus
it
a
little
bit
on
the
project
itself
or
I.
Guess
I'll
answer
two
ways.
So
when
the
general,
whenever
the
general
plan
is
updated,
that
is
considered
a
project
under
Sequel
and
therefore
we
do
have
to
undertake
environmental
analysis.
In
this
specific
case,
the
general
plan,
which
was
approved
in
I,
believe
2012
2013.
That
General
plan
did
have
its
own
environmental
assessment
undertaken
for
that
project.
I
However,
separate
from
that,
this
specific
plan,
which
is
I,
guess
if
you
look
at
it
through
through
the
lens
of
like
hierarchy,
like
you,
have
the
general
plan,
which
in
essence
establishes
a
whole
vision
for
an
entire
city.
That
General
plan
has
a
number
of
implementation
programs
that
are
in
place
so
that
that
General
plan
can
be
implemented
or
can
in
essence
achieve
its
full
vision.
One
of
those
implementation
programs
is
actually
this
project.
I
So
when
the
city
council
approved
the
general
plan
in
2012
2013,
they
also
approved
policy
stating
we
should
have
a
specific
plan
for
this
area.
So,
let's
work
on
it.
Since
then,
we've
actually
began
the
process
of
working
through
the
plan
now
we're
hopefully
on
the
later
stages
of
the
process
getting
through
it
and
as
part
of
this
project,
we
are
undertaking
an
environmental
assessment,
so
that
assessment
is
going
to
look
at
Vehicles,
Mouse
travel,
traffic,
noise,
air
quality,
historic
historic
resources.
I
Question
so
yes,
so
they're,
so
under
sequel,
they're
they're,
we
do
have
to
look
at
soil.
There
is
an
actual
soils
section
in
in
the
environmental
documents
and
as
part
of
that,
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
whether
or
not
there
is
contamination
on
site.
There's
also
a
hazard,
a
hazard
section
that,
through
which
we
also
look
at
that.
I
So
the
environmental
assessment
that
we
that
we're
working
through
and
will
eventually
make
available
to
the
public
is
in
essence,
going
to
look
at
all
of
that,
including
any
potential
contamination
that
the
public
has
made
us
aware
of
in
the
past
and
that
we
are
aware
of
through
studies
we've
undertaken,
and
all
of
that
would
be
in
essence,
it's
close
to
the
public
to
the
council.
Members.
C
Got
it
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding,
for
instance,
where
there's
mixed-use
corridors
that
could
potentially
be
retail
and
everything
like
that?
It's
the
Golden
State
specific
plan
and
the
projects
are
not
necessarily
contingent
upon
a
satisfactory
environment,
environmental
impact
report.
It's
basically
just
having
the
information
and
then
the
council
Planning
Commission
decides
what
they
want
to
do
with
it.
And
then
would
the
individual
projects
also
trigger
an
eir
under
sequel.
I
Or
so
I
could
I'll
start
with
the
answer
and
then,
if
I
miss
something
our
city,
planner
and
planning
magic
can
add
on.
So,
in
essence,
it's
his.
This
is
what
we
call
programmatic
eir,
so
the
programmatic
eir
program,
ER,
it
is
going
to
in
essence,
look
at
the
the
impacts
of
what
we
are
planning
for,
in
this
case,
we're
planning
for
in
one
scenario,
just
north
of
6
000
new
units
and
three
million
square
feet
of
net
new
development.
I
The
other
scenario
a
little
bit
more
than
that
and
in
essence
in
the
future,
products
come
in
and
they're
complying
with
those
requirements
they
would.
They
may
have
to
take
some
additional
environmental
assessment
for
focused
areas,
but
a
lot
of
it
would
have
been
covered.
Having
said
that,
something
to
keep
in
mind
too,
and
it's
something
that
we
that
was
brought
up
at
the
city
council
meeting
on
April
25th
is
there
are
examples
of
like
the
fact
that
there
is
contamination
on
a
site
does
not
mean
that
you
cannot
have
residential.
I
It
does
not
mean
that
you
cannot
have
retail
examples
of
that
can
be
seen
with
the
Empire
Center
right
when
the
empire
was
approved,
then
I
believe
it
was
late,
1990s
or
maybe
early
2000s.
There
was
an
assessment
done
as
part
of
that
assessment.
It
was
established
that
there
was
contamination,
and
there
was
also
remediation
associated
with
that
right.
So
over
the
past
number
of
years,
there's
been
remediation
of
the
soil
and
it
was
established
that
development
can
go
and
it
has
been
their
operational
for
the
past
20
some
years
right.
I
Separate
from
that,
there
has
been
more
recent
examples.
One
of
the
more
more
recent
ones,
I
would
say,
is
the
price
development
the
price
development
came
in,
they
are
generally
in
the
Golden
State
or
they
are
within
the
Golden
State
area,
just
south
of
the
Metrolink
station
on
Empire
or
Vanowen,
and
that's
another
example
of
how
we
went
through
a
process
through
which
they
applied
for
housing.
We
went
through
the
appropriate
environmental
processes
and
through
that
established
that
there
could
be
residential
there.
I
They
had
to
again
undertake
I
believe
certain
remediation
of
the
of
the
property,
however,
that
product
approval
was
subject
to
that
right
or
or
was
it
was
conditioned
based
on
that,
and
it
is
something
that
they
would
have
to
do.
So
there
are
examples
of
housing
being
built
in
the
Golden
State
area.
I
However,
to
your
point
as
part
of
the
environmental
assessment
that
we're
doing
for
Golden
State,
we
are
going
to
provide
that
as
full
disclosure
and
we
are
going
to
identify
that
either
certain
things
have
to
be
done
for
development
to
occur
or
that
to
your
point
in
the
future,
products
do
come
in.
They
may
have
to
do
further
environmental
assessments.
H
Just
just
one
thing
to
add
to
that,
and
he
did
a
Mr
via
did
a
very
good
overall
assessment
in
an
optimal
situation
based
on
some
of
the
grant
funds
that
we
received
for
the
specific
plans
is
we,
we
are
looking
at
trying
to
streamline
the
development
of
housing.
So
the
environmental
document
is
one
of
those
tools
that
you
can,
in
essence,
tear
off
of
a
very
comprehensive
assessment,
which
is
what
we
I
think
will
be
the
end
product.
H
So
the
hope
is
that
we
fully
disclose
every
and
all
issues
address
those
where
they
can
be
mitigated
to
facilitate
the
building
of
housing.
So,
in
an
optimal
situation,
we
would
have
a
process
where
the
environmental
document
has
laid
all
the
foundational
work
to
facilitate
the
building
and
has
accounted
for
any
potential
mitigation
measures
that
need
to
be
incorporated
into
the
project,
whether
they're
project,
design,
features
or
or
follow-up
mitigation.
H
D
A
couple
questions
I
saw
there
are
currently
three
open
space
areas
in
the
plan
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
guys
had
looked
at
making
up
some
more
open
space
because
you're,
adding
and
one
it
says,
6897
and
then
the
other
says
9047.
so
I
know
that
the
developers
will
have
to
build
some
open
space,
but
that's
not
for
the
public,
the
general
public
to
use.
I
I
We'll
use
this
one
I
think
they're
they're,
both
the
same
generally
when
it
comes
to
open
space
but
yeah.
So
one
of
the
things
you've
identified
is
the
limited
amount
of
open
space
right.
You
have
three
parks
that
that
have
quite
they
have
some
open
space,
but
you
are
right:
we're
adding
potential
chili,
six
thousand
nine
thousand
more
residential
units.
That
means
you're
gonna
have
more
people
more
families
right.
We
need
to
recreate.
So
one
of
the
challenges
is
that
we,
the
city,
don't
actually
own
a
lot
of
property
within
this
area.
I
So
when
you
don't
know
a
lot
of
the
property,
the
question
becomes.
How
could
you?
How
could
you
create
that
open
space?
So
you
you
hit
on
one
of
the
of
the
main
tools
that
he's
commonly
use
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
use
in
this
area,
which
is,
as
part
of
private
development,
we're
going
to
require
through
objective
standards
that
developers
provide
open
space,
both
that
is
privately
private,
open
space,
privately
accessible
to
the
tenants,
but
in
in
many
cases,
hopefully
also
publicly
accessible
and
hopefully
substantial.
I
So
the
question
becomes:
how
could
you
utilize,
how
could
you
maybe
reuse
some
of
that
area,
or
maybe
dual
use
some
of
those
areas
to
create
different
options
for
maybe
non-typical
open
space,
and
one
of
the
other
things
I'll
share
is
that
there
is
a
a
proposed
High-Speed
Rail
station
in
this
area
and
that
High-Speed
Rail
station,
just
as
a
point
of
reference
is
on
this,
it
is
on
the
screen,
so
it
is
generally
located
where
the
current
Avion
development
has
been
built.
If
that
other
does
come
to
fruition.
I
At
that
point,
in
the
game,
we
do
anticipate
having
policy
in
the
specific
plan
highly
encouraging
any
development
on
that
side
to
incorporate
open
space.
The
end
goal
being
that
we're
hoping
to
see
we're
hoping
to
take
all
opportunities
we
can,
as
property,
is
being
reused
to
be
able
to
maximize
use
of
open
space,
whether
it's
private
or
public
and
beyond
that
we're
also
hoping
to
take
opportunities
of
of
maybe
underutilized
existing
resources,
such
as
parking
garages
or
parking
lots
to
be
able
to
to
have
a
dual
use
of
those
lots.
H
In
addition
to
that,
there's
a
large
Open
Spaces
areas
that
kind
of
run
east
to
west
across
the
property.
So
in
those
instances
those
are
also
accessible
to
the
public.
So
the
I
know
many
times.
We
think
of
a
lot
of
these
developments
of
kind
of
being
pretty
insulated
and
you
know
not
being
accessible,
and
one
of
the
things
Mr
V
is
also
working
on
is
a
hotel
project
in
the
area
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
there
is
to
provide
a
lot
more
open
space.
H
That's
accessible
by
the
public,
so
you
don't
actually
have
to
go
into
the
property
proper
like
the
most
interior
portions,
but
that
as
you're
walking
along
the
frontage
you're
able
to
have
spaces
where
maybe
people
can
in
essence
stop
and
sit
and
contemplate
and
be
under
shade
and
whatnot.
So
the
idea
is
to
try
to
maximize
that
throughout
the
site.
So,
instead
of
getting
one
large
park
space
which
I
guess
the
example
would
be
if
Avion
were
to
redevelop
with
High-Speed
Rail,
we've
been
in
discussions
with
them
about
those
areas.
H
If
you're
going
to
put
an
underground
station
and
a
lot
of
the
upper
area
is
Consolidated
for
parking
and
other
uses,
are
there
opportunities
to
create
more
open
space
in
that
area?
So
not
only
with
like
a
state
agency
but
we're
looking
at
that
with
individual
development.
So
Danny
mentioned
a
very
unique
concept,
but
some
that
you've
seen
maybe
in
movies
but
then
also,
if
you've
traveled
in
Japan,
where
people
have
soccer
fields
on
the
top
of
rooftops
and
whatnot.
H
H
You
also
have
indoor
soccer
fields
that
are
quite
in
Vogue
as
well
in
in
certain
parts
of
the
city,
so
we're
looking
at
everything's
on
the
table,
we're
looking
at
all
these
different
options,
I
think
we're
also
looking
at
how
we
think
of
streets
and
sidewalks
as
being
linear
parks
that
connect
to
these
other
areas.
So
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
walk
through
there
right
now,
the
current
infrastructure
is
pretty
inhospitable.
In
some
instances
you
have
poles
in
the
middle
of
a
sidewalk.
H
D
Great
and
also
the
Recreation
areas,
I
know
we
have
like
commercial
recreation
areas
and
the
state
is
coming
and
taking
them
away
from
us
are.
Is
there
anything
in
the
plan
that
that
you
guys
looked
at
that?
Could
potentially
be
commercial
recreation
because
I
know
there's
like
open
space,
and
you
know
a
chance
for
a
business
to
actually
have
a
recreational
area
and
for
people
to
gather
and
so.
I
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
looking
at
I,
don't
know.
This
is
maybe
getting
out
what
you
asked,
but,
for
example,
right
now
in
our
objective
development
standards
for
say,
commercial,
commercial
users
say
you're,
building
an
office
building
or
hotel,
or
something
like
that.
We
don't
actually
have
objectives
down
this
requiring
open
space
for
those
types
of
uses
right.
I
So
so
we
are
looking
at
establishing
something
like
that
to
be
able
to
create
pockets
of
open
space
within
developments,
maybe
where,
where
people
can
recreate
outside
of
maybe
your
your
your
typical
Open
Spaces
that
are
publicly
accessible
when
it
comes
to
to
I,
don't
know
I
hope.
Does
that
answer
your
question
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
what
you
were
getting
at.
H
D
I
Yeah,
okay!
No
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
So
so,
as
of
now,
we
have
not
looked
at
a
specific
commercial
recreation
Zone
in
the
Pacific
planner.
However,
it
is
something
that
we
can
explore
further,
just
as
we
keep
going
to
the
planning
effort
just
to
identify
whether
we
can
maybe
encourage
those
types
of
users
coming
in
to
the
neighborhood
yeah.
Thank.
D
B
D
B
B
Now
is
the
time
for
oral
communication
from
the
public
any
person.
Speaking
during
this
period,
May
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
concerning
City
business.
Each
person
may
address
the
Planning
Commission
for
maximum
time
of
three
minutes
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
planning
division
staff.
If
you
wish
to
speak
for
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
comment
by
telephone,
please
call
818-238-335
to
address
the
Planning.
Commission
callers
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
all
in-person
comments
have
been
received.
B
B
J
Good
evening
Commissioners
I
decided
to
move
over
here
so
that
you're
not
all
creating
your
neck.
To
see
me,
my
name
is
Lisa
curryhara
and
I
am
a
senior
assistant,
City
attorney
here
for
our
city,
and
tonight
we
are
going
to
talk
about
the
brown
act.
If
I
can
please
get
the
presentation
up?
Thank
you
so
much
I
know
some
of
you
are
very
seasoned
Commissioners.
J
You
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
information
that
we
go
over
tonight.
It
is
a
training,
so
I
encourage
you
to
be
collaborative
and
if
you
have
questions
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
as
we
go
along.
There's
also
a
point
at
the
end,
where
we'll
have
a
q
a
period
but
anyhow
with
that
the
agenda
for
our
training
this
evening
we're
going
to
go
over
the
purpose
of
the
brown
act,
the
types
of
legislative
bodies
who
are
covered.
J
There
are
really
three
components
that
the
brown
act
governs
procedures
for
our
meetings,
agenda
requirements
as
well
as
public
access
to
our
meetings
and
then
we'll
talk
about
a
few
other
related
issues
at
the
very
end.
So
with
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
begin.
Oh
I
have
to
caveat
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
heard
me
earlier,
but
we
tried
to
include
some
fun
Graphics
in
here.
They're
all
Simpsons
related
I
have
to
totally
disclose
it.
J
I've,
never
seen
an
episode
of
The
Simpsons,
I'm
gonna
work
on
that
I
know
I
know
so
you
may
have
to
I
know.
You
may
have
to
educate
me
on
some
of
these
references,
but
so
the
general
purpose
of
the
brown
Act
is
to
guarantee
transparency
in
the
public
meeting
process.
It
guarantees
the
public
right
to
attend
and
participate
in
meetings
of
local
legislative
bodies.
It
is
a
state
law.
It
is
one
of
what
we
commonly
refer
to
as
our
Sunshine
laws.
J
The
public
records
Act
is
our
other
state,
Sunshine
Law,
which
guarantees
transparency
in
government
deliberations,
and
so
here
we
have
what
looks
like
a
chicken
wing,
and
it
looks
like
it's
cleaning
some
glass
to
make
it
more
transparent.
I,
don't
know
think
about
this
reference,
as
you
think
about
what
the
brown
act
means,
and
so
what
we
really
want
to
avoid.
Is
this
idea
of
a
secret
meeting,
and
so
here's,
hopefully
a
fun
clip
of
something
that
we
would
not
want
to
happen
in
our
legislative
proceedings.
E
J
J
Luckily,
we
don't
engage
in
brown
act
violations
very
often,
so
you
don't
see
the
consequences
oftentimes
in
real
life,
but
any
member
of
the
public
could
bring
a
civil
lawsuit
to
overturn
an
action.
That's
taken
in
violation
of
the
brown
act
and
what
happens
in
those
instances.
If,
if
we
are
found
to
have
violated
the
law,
the
city
is
responsible
for
paying
the
other
side's
attorney's
fees.
So
it
can
become
a
very
expensive
mistake
to
correct.
J
J
J
Generally
speaking,
the
brown
Act
is
broadly
construed,
so
the
definition
of
a
meeting
is
broadly
construed,
the
definition
of
what
is
open
in
public
you
know,
and
and
and
who
is
allowed
to
attend.
We
can
shoot
it
broadly
to
facilitate
Public
Access,
so
the
types
of
legislative
bodies
that
are
covered
by
the
brown
act
include
any
of
our
Council
created
boards
or
commissions
city
council.
Obviously,
here
the
Planning
Commission,
as
well
as
certain
subcommittees
of
boards
and
commissions,
which
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later.
J
There
are
instances
I
just
want
to
mention
where
private
boards
can
be
subject
to
the
brown
act.
It's
not
very
common,
but
it
usually
happens
if
the
private
entity
is
somehow
funded
by
the
city
and
created
by
a
city,
legislative
body
and
delegated
some
sort
of
Public,
Authority
and
so
again,
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
many
I
can
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head,
where
I've
encountered
that,
but
if
you
see
it
and
you're
kind
of
wondering,
why
is
this
private
board?
You
know
applying
Brown
act
rules?
That
could
be.
Why.
J
So
the
definition
of
a
meeting
is
very
broad.
It
means
any
Gathering
of
a
majority
of
the
members
of
the
legislative
body
at
the
same
time
and
location
to
hear,
discuss,
deliberate
or
take
action
on
any
item
that
is
within
the
planning
commission's
subject
matter,
jurisdiction
and,
like
I,
said
this
definition
is
pretty
broad.
So
here
pretty
obvious,
a
majority
of
you
is
three
out
of
the
five
note
that
same
time
and
location
is
not
necessarily
limited
to
same
physical
location.
We
will
kind
of
vet
this
out
a
little
bit
further.
J
But
the
important
thing
to
remember
is
that
you
could
engage
in
in
what's
considered
a
brown
act
meeting,
even
if
you're,
just
listening
to
information
that
is
within
the
Planning
Commission
subject
matter
jurisdiction,
you
don't
have
to
actually
take
action
in
order
for
a
conversation
or
discussion
to
be
subject
to
the
brown
act.
If
you
are
even
hearing
information
that
normally
is
within
the
commission's
jurisdiction
and
a
majority
of
you
are
present,
that
is
a
meeting
that
should
be
open
in
public.
J
So
briefly,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
Planning
Commission
essentially
is
empowered
through
both
the
Burbank
Municipal
Code.
The
city
Charter,
as
well
as
state
law
planning
commissions,
are,
are
somewhat
unique
in
that
you
are
delegated
authority
to
implement
typically
to
implement
local
and
state
planning
and
zoning
laws.
Some
of
our
boards
and
commissions
are
simply
created
by
ordinance
and
they
have
a
very
limited
purview.
J
J
As
I
said,
the
definition
of
a
meeting
is
quite
Broad
and
there
are
instances
where
you
can
inadvertently
enter
into
this
world
of
what's
considered
an
informal
meaning,
but
it
is
subject
to
the
brown
act,
and
so
I
want
to
make
you
aware
of
these
instances
and
when
they
can
happen,
so
that,
if
you
find
yourself
in
a
situation,
you
can
say
wait
time
out.
We
actually
have
to
have
this
discussion
on
Monday
night
at
the
Planning
Commission,
because
I
realize
that
a
majority
of
us
have
participated.
J
So
the
first
type
of
informal
meeting
that
you
need
to
be
cautious
of
is
what
we've
sort
of
termed
the
daisy
chain,
and
in
this
graphic
you
can
see
MO
is,
can
you
is
Whispering
something
to
Homer,
Homer
Whispers,
that
information
to
Lisa
and
Lisa
Whispers
that
information
to
Janie?
And
if
you
assume
that
all
these
folks
are
part
of
the
commission,
a
majority
of
folks
have
communicated
information
within
the
commission's
jurisdiction
among
themselves
and
I.
J
These
types
of
daisy
chain
meetings
can
also
breed
misinformation,
because
you
don't
necessarily
know
if
the
message
you're
hearing
is
accurate,
and
so
there
are
practical
reasons
why
you
won't
avoid
this
type
of
communication
among
yourselves
Beyond,
just
making
sure
that
we're
in
compliance
with
the
law,
so
the
other
type
of
informal
meeting
setup
that
we
have
to
try
and
avoid.
Is
this
Hub
and
spoke
scenario?
J
And
here
you
have
an
intermediary
who,
in
this
case
it's
Homer,
he's
telling
Lisa
something
and
then
Homer
is
then
going
ahead
and
telling
the
same
message
to
Bart
and
then
he's
over
there
Whispering
the
same
message
to
Marge,
and
so
you
have
this
middle
man.
Who's
effectively
reached
out
to
a
majority
of
the
membership,
and,
although
not,
everyone
is
at
the
same
place
and
location
now,
a
majority
has
potentially
come
to
a
collective
concurrence
on
something
or
heard
some
information.
That
really
should
be
vetted
publicly
and
discussed
here
at
a
regular
meeting.
J
So
again
you
run
into
the
same
sort
of
pitfalls
as
a
daisy
chain.
You
don't
know
if
the
information
you're
hearing
when
it's
based
on
hearsay
is
necessarily
correct
and
again
deprives
the
public
of
being
able
to
understand
how
we
came
to
a
decision
on
a
matter
now
in
the
age
of
digital
technology,
and
you
know
especially
post
covid.
J
It's
really
easy
to
find
ourselves
in
these
inadvertent
meetings
and
so
be
mindful
that
when
you
use
technology
platforms,
you
could
very
well
be
walking
into
an
informal
meeting
situation.
Some
of
the
easy
ones
to
identify
are
like
if
you
were
to
send
an
email
to
a
majority
of
your
your
Commissioners
and
clearly
there's
some
discussion
being
had
over
an
item.
That's
you
know,
on
planning
commissions
agenda,
you
know,
I,
think
it's
pretty
clear
to
tell
in
those
situations.
Oh
wait.
There
are
three
out
of
the
five
of
us
on
this
email
communication.
J
But
again
it's
just
it's
very
easy
to
accidentally
send
that
email
to
the
entire
Commission
virtual
meetings
are
clearly
subject
to
the
brown
act.
We
had
a
lot
of
our
meetings
during
covid
via
Zoom,
but
that
kind
of
goes
that
that
that
kind
of
forum
carries
over
to
things
like
FaceTime
as
well
as
text
messages,
but
the
one
I
really
want
to
point
out
to
you
is
social
media.
J
There
have
been
recent
cases
as
well
as
an
amendment
to
the
brown
act
that
actually
govern
your
conduct
over
social
media
platforms
and
Commissioners
are
no
longer
allowed
to
directly
reply
to
another
commissioner's
social
media
post.
If
it's
on
a
subject,
that's
within
the
planning
commission's
jurisdiction
without
violating
the
brown
act
so
hitting
the
like
button
or
otherwise
emoting.
In
response
to
a
commissioner's
comment,
or
obviously
directly
responding
in
in
text
on
a
comment
to
like
a
Facebook,
post
or
Twitter,
post
Can
violate
the
brown
act
and
yes
go
ahead.
Mr
Ella,
Rick.
J
If
it's
within
the
Planning
Commission
subject
matter
jurisdiction,
so
if
someone's
like
today
is
my
birthday
and
you
say:
happy
birthday,
that's
perfectly
fine!
I!
Don't
want
to
discourage
you
from
being
friendly
with
your
colleagues,
but
you
know
if
someone
says
there's
a
project.
That's
coming
before
the
commission
on
Monday
night.
Please
show
up
to
support
you
know
and-
and
you
give
you
know,
information
about
that
project
and
then
another
commissioner
jumps
in
and
kind
of
likes
it
or
reacts
to
it
in
any
way.
That
actually
now
violates
the
brown
act.
J
You
don't
have
to
have
a
majority
of
you
on
that
string
in
order
to
be
a
meeting
in
violation
of
the
ACT.
You
know
it's
again
very
easy
to
inadvertently.
Do
something
like
that
social
media
really
enables
us
to
be
very
reactionary
and
very
emotive
behind
our
computer
screens
and
so
I
just
caution.
You
know
your
Forum
know
your
audience
and
think
about
the
subject
matter
before
you
engage
in
that
sort
of
communication.
J
If
there
is
a
request
that
comes
in
under
the
public
records
act,
previously,
cities
tried
to
argue.
You
know
that's
on
a
commissioner's
personal
device.
We
have
no
Direct
Control
or
authority
over
those
records,
but
the
courts
have
found
that,
even
if
we
use
personal
devices,
if
we
are
discussing
business,
that's
within
our
commission's
jurisdiction.
Those
conversations
can
be
releasable
under
the
public
records
act.
So
again,
cautioning
you,
as
you
discuss
with
members
of
the
public
that
things
may
be
public
records,
even
though
it
feels
like
you're
in
a
private
forum.
J
All
right,
so
what
are
not
meetings?
What
are
things
you
are
allowed
to
do
without
violating
the
brown
act?
One-On-One
conversations
with
other
people
are
not
going
to
be
a
violation
of
the
brown
act.
Again,
though,
as
long
as
they
are
not
serving
as
that
intermediary
Hub
and
spoke,
you
know
middleman.
J
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
pictures,
but
if
you
look
closely
who
thinks
that
the
image
on
the
top
left
is
a
meeting
subject
to
the
broad
act,
looks
like
there's
a
disco
ball,
people
are
kind
of
dressed
up
in
different
costumes.
Anybody
I,
agree,
I,
don't
think
that's
a
meeting
subject
to
the
brown
act.
It
looks
like
a
pretty
social
party.
J
So
I
will
say
that
that
is
very
cautious
issue.
Spotting
and
I
would
probably
argue
if
I
had
to
that
a
lyrics
workshop
with
Tom
Petty
would
not
be
a
brown
act
meeting
because
your
subject
matter
jurisdiction
here
is
Planning
and
Zoning
law.
But
if
we
change
the
title
of
that
meeting
to
planning
workshop
with
Tom
Petty,
absolutely
a
brown
act
meeting
because
I
would
say
there's
some
discussion
that
would
be
had
within
your
jurisdiction
and.
C
J
Okay,
another
few
another
few
non-meeting
scenarios
open
and
notice
meetings
of
other
bodies
of
the
local
agency.
So
if
you
all
were
to
attend
a
city
council
meeting,
you
know
you
are
allowed
to
do
that
without
violating
the
brown
act,
as
well
as
open
and
notice
meetings
of
standing
committees
of
your
commissions
again,
provided.
J
A
J
So
it
depends
if
a
majority
of
you
have
shown
up
as
part
of
and
and
you're
making
that
comment
on
behalf
of
the
Planning
Commission
then
yes,
I
would
disclose
that
you
are
a
planning.
Commissioner,
and
frankly
again.
The
caveat
here
is
that
a
majority
of
you
do
not
discuss
amongst
yourselves
business
of
a
specific
nature
within
the
Planning
Commission.
Subject
matter
jurisdiction.
J
So
theoretically
you
may
already
be
agendized
on
council's
agenda,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
a
it's
a
tricky
one,
because,
yes,
it's
not
considered
a
meeting,
but
really
the
council
meeting
is
subject
to
the
brown
act
and
is,
in
theory
complying
with
the
brown
act.
Now,
if
you
are
showing
up
as
a
member
of
the
public
in
your
personal
capacity,
then
it
would
be
important
during
public
comment
to
disclose.
J
Yes,
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission.
However,
my
comments
here
today
are
to
you,
as
a
resident
of
the
community
and
not
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
and
so
that
would
be
I
think
the
distinction
yeah
yeah,
so
I'm,
going
to
briefly
mention
here,
I
told
you
I
would
come
back
to
this
topic
subcommittees
now.
J
There
are
instances
where
boards
or
commissions
within
the
city
have
created
subcommittees
which
are
typically
composed
of
less
than
a
majority
of
the
membership,
and
there
are
two
types:
there's
a
standing
subcommittee
as
well
as
an
ad
hoc
subcommittee
standing
committees
which
have
continuing
subject
matter,
jurisdiction
there
for
an
indefinite
period
of
time.
They
are
subject
to
the
brown
act
and
their
meetings
have
to
be
open
and
public,
and
so
an
example
of
that
type
of
a
standing
committee
might
be.
J
If
you
were
to
appoint
two
of
you
to,
let's
say,
do
site
visits
for
every
project
that
comes
before
the
Planning,
Commission
and
there's.
You
know,
there's
no
specific
Focus
other
than
you
want
this
group
to
do,
site
visits
and
report
back
to
the
commission
as
a
whole,
where
they
have
that
sort
of
continuing
indefinite
subject
matter
jurisdiction.
All
of
their
individual
meetings
where
they
go
out
to
sites,
would
need
to
be
open
and
public,
meaning
they
have
to
be
noticed.
They
have
to
be
agendized,
they
have
to
be
publicly
accessible.
J
Now,
if
you
were
to
a
point,
an
ad
hoc
committee,
which
would
be
again
less
than
a
majority
of
you
and
it's
for
a
specific
purpose
and
a
limited
duration,
so
you
have
a
project.
That's
come
before
the
commission.
You
want
to
know
more
about
the
project
site
before
you,
you
deliberate
and
come
into
a
decision,
and
so
you
appoint
two
members
to
go
out.
You
know
view
the
site,
conditions
and
report
back
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
their
observations.
That
would
not
be
a
standing
committee.
That's
subject
to
the
brown
act.
J
J
I
always
tell
them.
Please
consult
with
staff,
because
staff
will
know
how
to
set
it
up
in
a
way
that
will
facilitate
whatever
purpose.
You
really
want
the
subcommittee
to
fulfill,
because,
if
we're
not
careful,
we
could
inadvertently
create
another
subcommittee
subject
to
the
brown
act,
and
then
you
have
all
these
procedural
rules
that
go
along
with
their
meetings.
J
The
brown
act
requires
that
agendas
for
all
of
your
public
meetings
must
be
posted
at
least
72
hours
before
the
regular
meeting
at
a
location
that's
freely
accessible
to
the
public
as
well
as
online.
So
you
know
why
is
this
important?
It
gives
members
of
the
public
an
opportunity
to
attend
and
weigh
in
on
the
issue
at
hand
and
so
agendas
what's
on
an
agenda
is
governed
Again
by
state
law.
It
includes
kind
of
the
who.
J
So
sometimes
folks
ask
you
know:
can
we
take
action
or
discuss
an
item
that
doesn't
Pro
that
doesn't
appear
on
the
public
agenda?
You
know,
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
kind
of
be
Savvy
and
make
the
agenda
item
really
broad
so
that
we
talk
about
anything
under
the
sun?
And
my
answer
is
no.
We
need
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
come
and
again.
The
reason
for
this
is
your
agenda.
Is
your
road
map
to
the
meeting?
J
If
you
don't
post
it
and
you
don't
let
the
public
know
what
you
intend
to
talk
about.
Someone
who
may
have
an
interest
in
that
subject
doesn't
know
to
come
and
listen
in,
doesn't
know
to
come
and
give
you
their
feedback
on
that
topic,
and
so
it
really
does
a
disservice
to
the
public
when
we
deviate
from
the
agenda,
because
it
doesn't
give
them
that
opportunity
to
understand
why
you
may
be
making
the
decisions
that
you
are
as
well
as
to
give
you
their
perspective
on
an
issue.
J
You
know
your
personal
activities,
asking
brief
questions
for
clarification,
providing
references
to
staff
for
factual
information
or
briefly
requesting
that
staff
report
back
at
a
subsequent
meeting.
You
heard
me
say
the
word
brief
over
and
over
again,
so
to
the
extent
that
you
have
to
deviate
from
the
agenda
we
really
require,
and
the
law
really
requires
that
those
statements
be
brief
and
if
it
requires
a
full,
robust
discussion,
let
staff
know-
and
we
can
agendaize
it
for
a
future
meeting
so
that
you
can
have
that
full
discussion
in
public.
J
And
finally,
the
brown
act
requires
that
all
of
the
legislative
body
meetings
must
be
publicly
accessible.
So
our
meeting
locations
have
to
be
open
as
well
as
Ada
accessible.
The
public
has
to
have
access
to
our
agenda
materials.
So
again,
those
are
posted
online
and
if
things
are
distributed
to
you
before
the
meeting,
we
usually
bring
extra
copy
so
that
so
that
the
public
can
have
copies
when
they
come
in
person
that
evening,
as
well
as
an
opportunity
for
public
participation
and
again
that
happens
through
public
comment.
J
There
are
some
instances
where
legislative
bodies
can
go
into
closed
session.
These
instances
are
specifically
enumerated
in
the
law
and
most
of
these
subject,
matters
do
not
fall
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
a
border
committee.
They
are
typically
reserved
for
Council,
and
so
I
mentioned
them
here.
J
Just
because
someone
might
say
well,
Council
gets
to
go
behind
closed
doors
and
go
into
closed
session,
and
it's
only
because
they
are
talking
about
a
topic
that
the
law
specifically
allows
them
to
go
into
closed
doors
to
talk
about,
and
even
then
at
the
end
of
closed
session
for
Council
meetings.
We
have
to
report
out
on
the
council's
activities,
and
so
it
is
closed
session.
But
it's
not
completely
closed.
If
you
will
again,
this
is
not
typically
come
up
in
our
boards
and
commissions
and
not
in
Planning.
Commission
say
that
again.
J
So
people
can
members
of
the
public
can't
attend
closed
session,
but
at
the
end
of
our
closed
sessions
we
have
to
report
out
on
any
formal
action
that
the
council
takes
in
closed
session.
So
the
public
kind
of
gets
insight
into
what
happens.
What
what
the
final
action
or
outcome
is
out
of
those
closed
session
deliberations.
J
So
finally,
you
know
this
isn't
really
part
of
the
brown
act,
but
it's
closely
related
I
just
want
to
mention
it
to
you.
All.
Boards
and
committees
are
allowed
to
adopt
your
own
rules
of
general
rules
of
decorum
and
I
have
to
say
you
all.
Are
a
fantastic
commission
I,
really
appreciate
how
professional
you
have
all
been
at
least
while
I've,
attended
and
so
I.
Don't
know
that
if
the
Planning
Commission
actually
has
a
set
of
rules
of
decorum,
it's
usually
something
that
happens
at
like
a
formation
meeting.
J
So
infrastructure
oversight
board,
for
instance,
was
formed
back
in
2018,
I
think
and
at
their
very
first
meeting
they
adopted
some
rules
of
decorum
that
govern
things
like
you
know,
limits
on
public
comment
time
how
to
place.
You
know
a
process
for
placing
items
on
a
future
agenda.
That
kind
of
thing
so
I
just
bring
it
up
in
case
the
commission
ever
gets
to
a
point
where
you
feel
like
that
discussion
may
be
necessary,
but
again
I
have
to
commend
you
on
the
fact
that
you
are
such
a
very
well-run
professional
commission.
J
There
is
a
new
state
law
that
went
into
effect
this
year
that
actually
allows
us
to
remove
someone
from
a
meeting
if
they
are
disrupting
the
meeting
in
any
way,
it
prohibits
willful
interruptions
that
basically
make
the
orderly
conduct
of
a
meeting
infeasible.
Now,
unless
that
person's
Behavior
involves
a
use
of
Fort
sorry,
a
use
of
force
or
threat
of
force,
then
that
person
has
to
First
be
given
a
warning
prior
to
being
removed.
J
J
The
reason
for
that
question
is
because
we
are
governed
by
a
body
of
laws
that
prohibits
conflicts
of
interest,
so
there
are
common
law
conflicts
of
interest,
which
are
anything
that
basically
divides
your
loyalty
to
the
city.
So
these
can
be
personal
bias.
They
can
be
biased
in
favor
of
a
project
or
personal
bias
against
a
project
anything
that
may
prevent
you
from
being
impartial
in
your
decision
making.
J
There
are
things
called
1090
conflicts
of
interest,
it's
referring
to
government
code,
section
1090,
which
prohibits
a
public
official
from
making
or
participating
and
making
any
contract
in
which
they
have
have
a
financial
interest
and
again
that
doesn't
require
you
to
actually
approve
a
contract.
You
could
just
be
talking
about
it
and
making
recommendations,
but
if
you
have
any
sort
of
financial
interest,
whether
it's
positive
or
negative
in
the
outcome
of
that
contract,
then
that
your
participation
in
that
deliberation
automatically
voids
it.
J
As
you
are
aware,
you
are
also
subject
to
the
political
reform
act
which
again
speaks
to
financial
conflicts
of
interest,
and
you
can
have
Financial
interests
in
anything
from
you
know:
business
Investments,
real
property
that
you
both
own
or
rent
any
source
of
income.
So,
like
your
employers,
sources
of
gifts,
anything
that
affects
your
personal
finances
and
the
analysis
can
be
somewhat
convoluted.
J
That
may
you
know
affect
your
impartiality,
we're
all
human
and
that's
perfectly
fine,
please
consult
with
us
early
on.
You
know,
reach
out
to
planning
staff
reach
out
to
me
and
we
can
go
through
that
analysis
because,
what's
really
hard
is
when
you
come
to
the
meeting
and
five
minutes
before
you,
let
you
whisper
to
us,
hey
I,
don't
know
if
I
have
a
conflict
of
interest
in
this
item.
Can
you
let
me
know
the
the
financial
conflicts
of
interest
really
involve
very
detailed
analysis
and
so
I
will.
J
Please
ask
you
to
just
reach
out
to
us
early
or
as
early
as
possible?
If
you
can
so
that
we
can
give
you
sound
advice,
and
so
lastly,
you
know
staff
here
we're
we
are
your
Shepherds
through
this
I
know.
Sometimes
it
might
seem,
like
you
know,
we're
the
parent
who's
like
glaring
over
at
you
to
like
quiet
down
or
whatever.
That's
not
what
we're
doing.
We
really
just
want
everybody
to
stay
within
the
bounds
of
the
law,
and
so
please
use
this
as
a
resource.
J
If
you
ever
have
a
question
about
procedural
decorum
or
any
of
these
state
laws,
because
you
know
we're
happy
to
answer
happy
to
walk
through
the
analysis
with
you
and
again
the
earlier,
you
bring
the
questions
to
our
attention,
the
better
advice
we
can
give.
So
with
that.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions.
J
This,
unfortunately,
no
I'm,
so
sorry
we
yeah
we,
but
that
is
a
great
question
and
I
can
bring
it
back
to
my
office
because
there
are
some
really
strict
requirements
actually
to
be
mcle
proficient.
So
mcle
are
basically
continuing
education
credits
for
lawyers,
and
so
no
we
are
not
set
up
to
be
mcle.
H
Maybe
just
for
the
sake
so
just
to
clarify,
or
maybe
this
is
a
question
you
may
have
so
we've
seen
a
lot
of
specific
plans
that
have
been
coming
through
the
process
here,
some
of
which
may
be
in
areas
where
you
live
so
I
guess
a
question
for
the
City
attorney
is
you
know,
I
know?
Typically,
when
we
submit
these
applications,
we
have
a
particular
project
and
you'll
get
your
radius
map.
That
shows
where
you're
in
proximity
to
the
project
is.
H
J
So
if
it's
a
conflict
like
that
or
if
it's
a
decision
like
that
that
will
affect
the
public
generally
in
the
same
way
that
it
affects
you,
then
you
are
allowed
to
participate
in
those
decisions.
That
said,
if
you
have
very
strong
personal
feelings
about
a
specific
plan
effort
or
any
other
project
for
that
matter,
that
may
somehow
personally
affect
you,
know
your
property
or
any
other
financial
interest
that
you
may
have.
It
would
be
good
to
disclose
that
ahead
of
time,
so
that
we
can
ensure
your
impartiality
in
your
decision
making.
J
H
J
You
know
I
would
I
would
definitely
reach
out
to
staff
and
let
us
know-
and
we
can
go
through
the
multi
-mult-pronged
analysis-
to
make
sure
everybody
is
education
or
without.
If
you
do
have
a
financial
conflict
of
interest
that
arises
under
the
political
reform
act.
Your
obligation
is
to
disclose
it
on
the
dice
before
the
item
is
discussed
and
actually
remove
yourself
from
from
the
diet,
so
that
there
is
no
perception
that
you
are.
J
You
know
inadvertently
influencing
your
colleagues.
So
you
know,
I
will
say
that
there
are
some
folks
here
on
City
staff
who
have
recused
themselves
from
participation
in
some
of
our
specific
plan
efforts,
because
the
project
does,
you
know,
touch
or
cover
areas
where
they
own
property,
in
a
way
that
we
just
want
to
make
sure
all
of
the
decision
makers
who
are
participating
are
impartial,
so
I
do
encourage
you
to
look
at
these
projects.
J
D
B
B
B
B
D
H
Of
which
you
brought
up
like
in
the
case
of
equestrian
overlays,
those
were
actually
discussed
at
Council,
so
regarding
the
Rancho
specific
plan,
so
we
kind
of
wove
it
in,
but
we
can
provide
an
update
at
a
future
meeting
just
to
give
you
a
narrative
of
what
was
presented
to
the
council
regarding
a
proposed
Rancho
neighborhood
specific
plan.
One
of
the
comments
brought
up
at
the
commission
I
think
in
the
meeting
I.
Remember
saying
it's
going
to
be.
H
D
B
B
How
much
is
is
is
is,
is
you
know
idle
sitting
there,
perhaps
some
additional
information
about
the
the
money
that
was
appropriated
or
spent
what
it
was
spent
on
sure
and,
lastly,
these
and
along
the
same
lines,
these
P3
model,
Partnerships
or
relationships?
How
many
have
there
have
we
had
P3
model
type
of
a
project
in.
B
B
How
should
I
say
a
sample
contract
that
the
city
would
enter
into
with
the
developers
or
the
developer,
because
I
think
that
is
key
for
the
citizens
to
get
an
Insight
on
what
type
of
a
deal
may
be
cut
and
those
citizens
so
they're
aware?
Well,
you
know
this
is
a
type
of
a
deal
we
usually
cut
or
most
of
the
time
we
cut.
B
So
when
they
come
here
to
discuss
the
project,
they
can
ask
questions
and
get
answers
to
those
questions,
because
my
concern
is
if
that
part,
because
I
know
this
kind
of
comes
under
the
brown
neck.
So
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
the
citizenry
would
be
privy
to
all
the
details,
but
I
think
a
sample
contract
would
give
them
an
opportunity
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
something
how
this
partnership
would
work
and
maybe
ask
questions
about
the
some
details
about
the
workings
of
this
partnership.
H
So
I
can
start
in
just
because
I
think
we
kind
of
need
to
separate
a
couple
of
things
there
and
so
I.
Miss
Goldman
presented
the
Civic
Center
project,
just
kind
of
in
a
general
overview
of
a
project.
That's
actually
part
of
a
larger
land,
Planning
Development
process
that
we're
undertaking
under
the
specific
plan.
But
to
your
point,
a
lot
of
those
detailed
questions
regarding
the
financing.
H
So
all
those
things
are
coming,
however,
being
aware
that,
as
you
recall,
just
like
with
other
private
projects,
we
may
be
going
through
an
entitlement
process
to
consider
land
use
components
of
a
project.
But
the
final
approval
is
out
of
the
council
right,
so
you
make
a
recommendation
from
a
land
use
standpoint.
This
is
what
the
Planning
Commission
is
looking
at
from
a
zoning
General
plan,
consistency
and
based
on
that
analysis.
As
the
land
use
body
tasks
with
looking
at
the
city's
development
requirements,
we
recommend
X
or
Y
regarding
this
particular
project.
H
Let's
say
the
Civic
Center.
That
information
goes
forward
as
the
requested
entitlements
and
ultimately
would
go
to
council
Council
then
may
have
a
larger
package
of
components:
they're
looking
at
they're
looking
at
the
entitlement
as
well
as
these
other
financing
components.
The
perfect
example
is
the
plan
development.
H
Where,
in
that
particular
instance,
you
were
looking
at
all
the
land
use
entitlement
requirements
and
all
the
community
benefits,
but
you
weren't,
you
know
sitting
here,
negotiating
dollars
and
cents
as
far
as
the
final
deal
of
the
project,
but
you
were
able
to
see
a
draft
of
the
agreement
or
whatnot.
So
I
just
put
that
out
there,
because
the
questions
you
guys
asked
collectively
are
very
good
questions
to
kind
of
know,
just
the
breadth
and
depth
of
what's
being
discussed
with
the
public
and
with
the
council.
H
But
there
are
going
to
be
components
that
ultimately
will
be
negotiated
and
then
once
negotiated,
they'll
take
a
formal
action
in
front
of
the
public
and
that'll
be
made
available,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
That
is
as
interesting
as
those
details
and
all
the
interesting
information
you
gave
and
kind
of
how
to
consider
bifurcating
processes
and
looking
at
how
things
get
financed
at
the
end
of
the
day.
H
Ultimately,
a
project
will
come
forth,
whether
it's
individually
or
as
part
of
a
larger
planning
effort
and
those
you'd
be
looking
at
under
its
own
merits.
Depending
on
what
the
land
use
entitlement
is
that's
being
requested.
If
there's
a
general
plan
Amendment,
you
make
a
recommendation
that
goes
to
the
council.
H
Council
makes
a
final
decision
with
the
Myriad
of
other
things
that
are
looked
at,
including
the
financial
outcomes,
the
costs
and
benefits
of
the
project
and
and
everything
else,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
because
sometimes
we
get
really
excited
about
getting
into
the
the
finer
details
of
the
financing
and
how
this
thing
is
going
to
work.
But
when
it
comes
to
the
land,
use
body,
you're
really
going
to
be
tasked
with
a
particular
set
of
criteria
that
we're
going
to
be
asking
you
for
input.
H
Those
are
other
things
are
things
you
can
ask
a
question
for
as
far
as
they're
relevant
to
the
entitlement.
But,
ultimately
that's
why
we
have
a
council
and
that's
why
things
go
to
the
council
for
them
to
make
a
final
decision.
What
they're
going
to
need
your
help
in
is
making
sure
that
the
land
use
entitlements
are
appropriately
vetted
and
any
environmental
issues
are
appropriately
addressed
so
that
you
can
make
a
recommendation,
but
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Lisa.
After
that,.
J
We
would
extend
an
offer
to
enter
into
an
exclusive
negotiation
period
where
we
develop
a
contract
based
on
the
model
that
we
select
for
the
project.
So
it's
a
very
and
every
step
of
the
way
is
a
public
process.
All
of
our
contracts
are
public
and
would
come
before
the
council
before
being
finalized.
J
So
if
you
want
to
get
similar
background
on
the
general
P3
process,
that
staff
has
been
envisioning,
I
do
suggest
you
take
a
look
at
Exhibit
C
and
if
you'd
like
you,
can
even
go
on
to
granicus
to
watch
the
August
9th
council
meeting,
where
one
of
our
special
Consultants
I
believe
actually
came
and
presented
as
well.
To
give
some
more
background
on
what
this
model
may
look
like
for
Burbank.
B
H
I
think
we
all
agree
with
you
that
in
my
six
plus
years
here,
we've
had
a
very
good
relationship
of
disclosing
as
much
information
as
necessary
to
the
public,
but
I
totally
hear
the
concern
and
I
think
the
council
has
made
a
redoubled,
their
effort
in
having
a
very
long
presentation
on
p3s
and
others.
But
we
totally
understand
I,
think
they're
going
to
do
everything
and
the
intent
is
to
do
everything
above
board
and
all
that
information
will
be
made
available,
but
but
really
good
questions
in
the
sense
of
where
is
data
available?
H
B
And
I
wasn't
making
any
accusations
of
that
it
is
going
on
or
it's
going
to
happen.
All
I
was
saying
is
the
best
policy
is
to
put
it
all
on
the
table,
so
it
never
does
happen
so
and
and
I
have
great
faith
in
all
the
mechanisms
that
are
in
in
place
here
in
Burbank
and
and
I
as
I
mentioned
I.
Don't
want
it
to
happen.
So
all
right,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
any
other
item.
Okay,
Now's,
the
Time
for
the
city.
Planner
comments.
H
I
know
just
thank
you
all
for
participating
in
tonight's
meeting.
In
other
words,
we
didn't
have
an
individual
project,
but
I
think
thank
you
for
all
the
input
across
the
board,
including
for
our
team
member
colleague
from
library,
Services,
I.
Think
Miss
Goldman
really
appreciates
all
that
feedback
and
she's
been
doing
a
lot
to
reach
out
to
all
the
different
boards
and
commissions.
So
this
just
adds
to
that
information
and
just
kind
of
our
overall
knowledge
of
community
concerns
and
interests
and
desires.
H
But
we
we
totally
agree
with
you
that
there's
a
lot
of
great
opportunities
and
Synergy
that
a
project
of
this
magnitude
can
bring
to
bring
a
lot
of
Community
Services
in
Focus.
So
if
it
can
happen
and
we
can
develop,
it
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
community,
something
to
look
into,
as
you
said,
with
full
disclosure
when
it
comes
forth,
but
it's
good
to
get
a
preview.
H
B
We're
now
adjourn
to
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
on
Monday
May
22nd
2023
at
6
PM.
This
meeting
will
be
held
in
person
in
the
city
council
chambers
at
275,
East,
Olive
Avenue.
The
public
is
invited
to
attend
the
meeting
in
person
or
to
view
the
meeting
online
or
on
television.
The
public
will
be
able
to
provide
public
comment
in
the
following
three
ways
in
person
at
the
appropriate
time.
During
the
meeting
by
leaving
an
e-comment
on
the
city
webpage,
www.