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From YouTube: Burbank Planning Commission Meeting - April 10, 2023
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Burbank Planning Commission Meeting - April 10, 2023
A
B
Good
evening
it
is
April
10th
2023,
welcome
to
the
planning
board
meeting
we're
starting
a
meeting
at
six
o'clock
today
is
Monday
April
10th
2023.
Before
we
begin
do
our
before
we
begin
our
meeting,
there
will
be
one
General
period
of
public
comment
tonight
during
oral
Communications
person.
Speaking
during
general
public
comment
period,
May
provide
the
planning
board
oral
Communications
on
any
matter
concerning
City
business
members
of
the
public
May
comment
in
person
or
by
telephone
the
general
public
comment
period
during
general
public
comment
period.
B
If
you
would
like
to
participate
in
the
public
comment
period
by
making
an
in-person
comment,
please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
the
planning
division
staff.
If
you
would
like
to
participate
the
public
comment
period
by
telephone,
please
call
818-238-3335.
We
will
announce
when
the
phone
lines
are
open.
B
C
A
D
B
F
B
Do
we
have
any
announcements
from
City
staff,
no
announcements?
Okay,
there
is
one
public
hearing
on
tonight's
agenda
item
number
one
now
is
the
time
and
place
for
hearing
on
Project
number:
two:
three:
zero:
zero:
zero
one:
three
eight:
seven:
a
Zone
text
amendment
to
amend,
Burbank,
Municipal,
Code
sections.
B
C
B
E
B
I
I
And
10-1-609
related
to
the
zoning
regulations
for
the
conversion
of
existing
businesses
with
drive-throughs
the
prohibition
of
residentially
adjacent
restaurants,
with
drive-throughs
requirement
of
a
conditional
use
permit
to
operate
and
establishment
drive-through.
A
change
to
the
minimum
stacking
distance
requirements
and
the
establishment
of
hours
of
operation.
I
Staff
has
noted
that
a
shift
in
consumer
Behavior
has
recently
become
more
apparent
in
an
increase
in
restaurants,
with
smaller
building
Footprints,
which
offer
limited,
or
in
some
cases
no
on-site
dining.
This
allows
the
industry
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
drive-through,
reducing
the
required
space
for
walk-up
counter
and
died
in
service
Additionally.
The
city
has
recognized
that
there
may
be
a
correlation
between
the
shutdown
of
indoor
dining
during
the
covid
pandemic
and
the
increase
in
the
use
of
drive-throughs,
which
has
remained
to
this
day.
I
During
high
demand
periods,
customer
vehicle
traffic
has
been
reported
and
observed
encroaching
into
the
public
right-of-way
known
as
vehicle
spillover.
This
trend
has
resulted
in
many
residents
expressing
that
this
Behavior
has
negatively
affected
their
quality
of
life,
specifically
adjacent
residential
and
Commercial.
Neighborhoods
have
reported
increased
vehicular
traffic
blocked,
driveways
trash
noise
with
unruly
or
disrespectful
patrons.
I
This
map
shown
on
this
slide
indicates
the
existing
drive-through
sites
located
within
the
city.
Residentially
adjacent
drive-through
sites
are
highlighted
in
red
and
are
concentrated
along
West
Olive
Avenue,
Magnolia,
Boulevard
and
Victory
Boulevard
drive
through
sites
that
are
more
than
150
feet
away
from
residentially
zoned
property
are
highlighted
in
green,
with
a
concentration
of
those
facilities
located
along
San
Fernando
Boulevard.
I
The
demand
for
potential
drive-through
sites
on
major
thoroughfares
has
created
Community
concerns
that
existing
commercial
businesses
with
drive-throughs
may
be
converted
into
new
or
replacement
restaurants
with
drive-throughs,
with
similar
potential
for
negative
effects
throughout
the
city
of
the
41
sites
that
are
shown
on
this
map.
Staff
identified
12
sites
that
could
be
potential
conversion
sites,
and
these
are
marked
in
by
a
star
in
either
red
or
green.
I
The
urgency,
ordinance
and
extension
adopted
by
city
council
during
the
fall
of
2022
effectively
established
a
moratorium
on
new
and
replacement
restaurants
with
drive-throughs
the
conversion
of
businesses
with
drive-throughs
into
drive-through
restaurants
and
the
expansion
of
hours
of
operation
through
in
the
expansion
of
hours
of
drive
through
operations.
Citywide.
I
The
Burbank
Municipal
Code
identifies
two
drive-through
uses.
Restaurants
with
drive-throughs
and
drive-through
establishments.
Restaurants
with
drive-through
uses
are
expressly
permitted
in
Burbank
Municipal
Code,
section
10-1-502,
which
is
also
known
as
the
use
table
by
conditional
use
permit
only
in
the
zones
shown
within
the
table.
However,
the
use
table
does
not
expressly
permit
drive-through
establishments
in
any
Zone,
but
does
require
that
these
uses
Follow
the
development
standards
set
in
section
10-1-608
and
1609
titled
drive-through
restaurants
and
residentially
adjacent
drive-through
establishments
respectively.
I
A
conditional
use
permit
commonly
referred
to
as
a
cup
is
intended
for
land
uses
which
require
special
consideration
before
being
allowed
in
a
particular
Zone.
The
cup
process
ensures
that
the
degree
of
compatibility
for
the
specified
use
is
maintained,
with
respect
to
the
particular
use
on
the
site,
giving
consideration
to
the
other
existing
and
potential
uses
within
the
general
area
in
which
the
use
is
located.
I
The
cep
findings,
located
in
section
10-1-1936,
require
staff
to
review
potential
impacts
from
the
proposed
use
on
the
adjacent
or
nearby
community
by
determining
the
site's
eligibility
according
to
several
factors
such
as
the
site's
size
and
shape,
or
its
relationship
with
the
public.
Right-Of-Way.
I
Code,
section
10-1-1608
and
code
section
10-1-609
contain
separate
development
standards
for
restaurants,
with
drive-throughs
and
residentially
adjacent
drive-through
establishments
respectively
code,
section
10-1-608
summarized
here-
addresses
drive
through
restaurants
in
general,
specifying
a
minimum
vehicle
stacking
distance,
also
known
as
queuing
length,
as
well
as
the
design
of
the
drive-through
Lane.
Additionally,
this
section
specifically
requires
discretionary
approval
for
all
new
drive-through
restaurants.
I
Code,
section
10-1609
addresses
residentially
adjacent
drive-through
establishments,
similar
to
this
preceding
section.
This
section
specifies
a
minimum
vehicle
queuing
length
and
identify
identifies
design
standards
for
the
drive-through
Lane.
These
standards
currently
require
an
on-site
vehicular
waiting
Lane.
That
is
a
minimum
of
160
feet
as
measured
from
the
point
of
entry
to
the
furthest
service
window
area
with
an
average
car
length
of
14.7
feet,
these
standards
would
ensure
queuing
length
for
a
maximum
of
10
cars
between
the
order
board
and
the
point
of
entry.
I
I
The
council
adopted
an
interim
urgency
ordinance
establishing
a
moratorium
on
new
and
replacement
drive-throughs
new
and
replacement
restaurants,
rather
with
drive-throughs
and
the
conversion
of
businesses
with
drive-throughs
into
drive-through
restaurants.
On
November
1st
2022,
the
city
council
approved
an
extension
to
that
ordinance
which
expired
in
December
of
2022..
I
I
I
Based
on
Council
feedback,
Community
input
and
concerns
and
staff
research
staff
recommends
that
several
modifications
to
the
Burbank
Municipal
Code
be
made.
A
complete
exhibit
of
the
proposed
changes
to
the
existing
ordinance
are
included,
as
exhibit
B
to
the
staff
report.
Staff
recommends
modifying
the
use
table
to
indicate
that
residentially
adjacent
restaurants
with
drive-through
uses
are
prohibited.
I
Residentially
adjacent
is
defined
in
our
code
as
any
commercially
or
industrially
zoned
property
located
within
150
feet
of
any
single-family
residentially
zone
property
or
of
any
residently
zone
property.
In
general.
Sorry,
additionally,
staff
recommends
modifying
the
use
table
to
clarify
that
drive-through
establishments
are
permitted
only
with
approval
of
a
cup
in
designated
zones.
I
Staff
proposes
replacement
text
as
seen
on
this
and
in
the
following.
Slides
staff
proposes
that
residentially
adjacent
restaurants
with
drive-throughs
are
prohibited
and
that
any
legal,
non-conforming
drive-through
establishment
that
ceases
operation
for
any
reason
for
a
period
of
90
days
is
subject
to
this
section.
10
subject
to
section
10-1-,
1809.3
and
1809.4,
which
cover
non-conforming
land
and
uses.
As
mentioned
earlier,
staff,
proposes
that
a
cup
is
required
to
operate
any
drive-through
establishment
as
part
of
the
cep
application
a
queuing
lane
analysis
will
be
required.
I
Staff
proposes
a
minimum
of
300
feet:
a
300
of
minimum
300
foot
queuing
Lane
that
is
separate
from
the
circulation
routes
and
aisles
necessary
to
access
and
exit
the
site.
An
applicant
can
request
the
director
consider
the
reduction
to
the
queuing
Lane
with
the
submission
of
the
queuing
lane
analysis.
I
Staff
proposes
that
hours
of
operation
are
limited
to
6
a.m,
to
10
pm,
unless
otherwise
approved
as
part
of
a
cup,
and
finally,
staff
proposes
that
every
project
is
subject
to
the
underlying
development
standards
applicable
to
the
proposed
use
contained
in
articles
11
through
16.
with
the
proposed
amendments.
Staff
believes
this
zoning
tax
amendment
will
support
the
vision
of
single-family
and
multiple
family
residential
zones,
as
well
as
commercial
corridors
throughout
the
City
by
ensuring
their
character
is
protected
and
maintained
with
the
requirement
of
a
cup
approval.
I
I
Therefore,
staff
recommends
the
Planning
Commission,
adopt
a
resolution
recommending
the
city
council
adopt
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council,
the
City
of
Burbank
amending
title
10,
chapter
1
of
the
Burbank
municipal
code
to
update
the
development
standards
for
the
conversion
of
existing
businesses
with
drive-throughs.
The
prohibition
of
residentially
adjacent
restaurants
would
drive
through
requirement
to
obtain
a
conditional
use
permit
to
operate
a
drive-through
establishment
changes
to
the
minimum
stacking
distance
requirements
and
limitation
of
hours
of
operation
for
establishments
with
drive-through.
I
The
proposed
zoning
text
amendment
has
been
reviewed
for
compliance
with
the
California
Environmental
Quality
Act.
The
proposed
ZTA
is
exempt
from
review
under
sequel
pursuant
to
the
California
code
of
regulations,
Section
15061b3,
the
activity
is
covered
by
The
Common
Sense
exemption.
That
SQL
applies
only
to
projects
which
have
the
potential
for
causing
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment,
where
it
can
be
seen
with
certainty
that
there
is
no
possibility
that
the
activity
in
question
may
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment.
The
activity
is
not
subject
to
SQL.
I
B
Thank
you.
We
will
now
open
up
the
meeting
to
hear
from
any
persons
who
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Each
person
may
address
the
planning
board
for
a
maximum
time
of
three
minutes
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
the
planning
division
staff.
You
wish
to
speak
for
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
comment
by
telephone.
Please
call
818-238-3335.
B
And
to
address
the
planning
board,
commission
callers
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
all
in-person
comments
have
been
received.
The
phone
lines
are
now
open.
Please
bear
with
us,
as
we
get
the
first
couple
of
callers
through
for
callers.
Please
remember
to
lower
the
volume
on
your
TV
or
your
computer
and
take
the
call
off
speaker
when
you
deliver
your
comment:
do
we
have
any
colors.
F
Evening,
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
I
couldn't
help,
but
focus
on
the
fact
that
the
entire
presentation
was
based
on
the
negative
impacts
of
how
drive-throughs
you
know,
change
or
alter
or
impact
the
neighborhood
I
wasn't
quite
sure
if
there
had
been
any
evaluation
or
someone
looked
into.
What
are
the
positives
over
drive
through
because,
basically,
from
what
I
understand,
we
got
one
side
of
the
story,
meaning
the
negative
impacts,
but
are
there
any
positives
to
a
drive
through,
as
opposed
to
all
being
negative.
J
So
the
Joe
McDougall
City
attorney
I
would
simply
point
out
that
the
context
for
this
Zone
text-
amendment
that
was
brought
before
you
is
the
work
done
under
the
emergency
ordinance
where
the
council
found
that
drive-throughs
were
imposing
negative
impacts
across
the
community.
So
really,
this
process
is
only
an
outcome
of
the
urgency
moratorium
adopted
to
prohibit
the
sighting
of
any
new
drive
through
City
city-wide.
J
F
I
guess
I
would
have
to
say
that
by
its
Genesis
it
seems
to
be
lopsided.
So
if
any
issue
that
needs
to
be
evaluated,
if
the
evaluation
is
going
to
be
an
unbiased
and
fair
evaluation,
it
needs
to
present
all
sides
of
the
story,
not
only
one
side
of
the
story
so
to
make
a
determination
for
for
this
body.
Well,
I'm
speaking
for
myself
to
make
a
decision
based
on
a
presentation
that
only
gives
me
half
the
story,
then
I
might
as
well
just
rubber
stamp.
F
F
So
I
can
understand
the
council
having
a
knee-jerk
reaction
or
declaring
an
emergency
and
suddenly
we're
get
talking
about
negative
impacts
or
something
without
even
evaluating
it
fairly.
Whether
there
is
a
positive
side
to
this,
why
are
we?
What
are
we
giving
up
by
going
through
this
process?
And
what
are
we
gaining?
F
No
one's
told
me
that
so
to
make
a
decision
based
on
that
is,
is
should
not
be.
One
should
not
expect
someone
to
come
up
with
the
decision,
I'm
speaking
for
myself
again
so
in
that
regard,
and,
basically
to
say
well,
let
me
ask
another
question
just
to
follow
up
if
a
if
a
property
meets
the
requirements
set
forth
in
this
proposed
text
Amendment,
would
they
automatically
be
given
the
right
to
have
a
drive-through,
or
do
they
still
have
to
go
through
the
cop
process?.
I
So
I'm,
assuming
you
mean
that
if
they
meet
the
physical
requirements
in
the
on
the
property
right,
yes,
if
they
have
the
space
for
it,
if
they
do,
they
would
still
have
to
go
through
a
CP
process.
If
they
are
residentially
adjacent,
if
they're
a
residentially
adjacent
restaurant,
they
will
be
prohibited
from
operating.
However,
if
they
are
a
residentially
adjacent
drive-through
establishment,
they
would
have
to
go
through
a
CP
process
if
any
new
or
existing
any
any
modifications
to
an
existing
drive-through
establishment
would
have
to
go
through
a
cep
process.
I
I
think
that,
at
during
the
during
the
urgency
ordinance,
you
know,
the
code
as
it
has
existed
for
years
has
been
somewhat
has
allowed.
Drive-Through
uses
to
to
operate,
and
so
what
this
is
trying
to
do
is
just
sort
of
add
a
little
bit
more
control
to
those
uses
so
that
they
don't
affect
the
residents
nearby
in
a
negative
way.
F
I
B
J
F
41
drive-throughs
in
17
square
miles
that
doesn't
seem
like
an
overwhelming
majority
of
properties,
are
being
utilized
as
drive-throughs.
F
After
this
ordinance,
they
will
not
be
able
to
utilize.
Well,
in
essence,
I
see
that
as
a
taking
now
we
put
additional
restrictions
so
that
property
no
longer
can
qualify
for
a
drive-through.
Now
that
property
owner
is
going
to
forego,
perhaps
some
value
in
that
property,
because
there's
one
less
use
of
the
property,
so
one
less
person
that
would
be
interested
in
that
property.
So
I
I
I,
see.
J
F
Fully
aware
of
the
definition
of
a
taking,
perhaps
I
use
the
term
somewhat
liberally,
but
in
essence,
what
it
does.
It
devalues
the
property,
because
now
that
property
can
we
agree
on
the
values
that
property
now
has
three
uses,
let's
say
versus
potentially
where
it
could
have
had
four
uses.
So
what
it
does
in
the
marketplace
is
less
people
would
be
interested
in
the
property,
so
the
owner
of
that
property
would
not
be
able
to
get
the
highest
use.
F
I
mean
highest
value
for
the
property
that
he
has
so
I
I
can
understand
the
the
emergency
part,
and
what,
if
I,
may
ask
what
prompted
this?
What
was
the
emergency
was?
It
was
it
was
it
the
one
drive
through
operation?
That's
on
Olive.
Is
that
what
we're
talking
about?
Let.
H
Me
let
me
chair,
Frederick
is
assistant
director
in
planning.
That
is
one
of
the
projects
that
was
recently
developed
that
has
created
some
concern
for
the
community.
However,
there
are
other
locations
that
were
also
part
of
the
urgency,
ordinance
that
were
identified
as
potential
sites
that
could
convert
into
restaurants
with
drive-throughs
and
collectively.
When
you
look
at
all
of
those
things,
there
was
a
balance
between
neighborhood
serving
uses,
including
restaurants,
and
what
potential
impacts
to
the
neighborhoods
that
are
adjacent
to
them
could
occur.
H
Because,
up
until
this
point,
we
were
allowing
in
some
instances
some
of
these
uses
to
go
in
without
a
discretionary
review
process.
So
what
this
does
is
one
formalizes
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
creates
a
situation
where
the
there's
an
interest
from
the
community
to
look
at
what
would
happen
if
we
prohibited
residential
adjacent
uses
and
what
is
the
impact
to
the
community?
H
That's
why
you
have
kind
of
this
combination
of
feedback
from
Council
feedback
from
stakeholders,
feedback
from
the
community,
and
all
of
that
is
kind
of
converged
together
to
bring
the
ordinance
that's
before
you
is
it.
Is
it
more
skewed
towards
addressing
the
negative
impacts?
More
often
than
not,
regulations
are
a
result
of
an
impact
and
now
you're
trying
to
correct
it.
With
the
zoning
regulations
in
front
of
you,
I
mean,
if
not,
we
would
people
would
ask
well,
why
did
you
bring
a
Zone
code
forward
if
nothing's
broken?
H
F
I
I
appreciate
the
explanation:
Mr
Ramirez,
but
I
would
have
to
disagree
at
least
one
portion
of
it
where
more
often
than
not,
when
you
have
this
type
of
more
restrictive
result
of
impacts
on
the
community
and
and
the
impacts
are
based
on
well,
a
property
owner
or
a
business
owner
is
one
person,
whereas
let's
say
10
houses
or
15
houses
or
an
apartment
full
of
40.
F
Tenants
is
40
people,
so
one
vote
versus
40
votes,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
part
too,
so
in
in
that
regard,
the
reason
why
I'm
raising
these
issues
is
because
I
think
this
is
a
knee-jerk
reaction
before
impacting
an
entire
town
with
only
41,
drive-through
restaurants,
and
only
one
restaurant
that
has
created
the
issue.
One
is
there
more
than
one
restaurant
that
has
created
the
issue
now
I'm,
not
talking
about
possible
issues,
I'm
talking
about
which
the
Genesis
of
why
we
have
this
emerge.
Why
we
were
in
front
of
an
emergency
order?
Was
it
one?
H
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I'll
give
you
another
example
sure
Dunkin
Donuts
was
a
former
like
Japanese
fast
food.
H
And
converted
into
a
Dunkin
Donuts
in
that
particular
case,
which
is
well
before
Raising
Cane,
we
had
a
situation
where
queuing
was
backing
up
onto
the
street
to
the
point
where
actually
there
were
traffic
accidents
of
people,
basically
jumping
out
of
line
or
not
realizing
that
all
of
a
sudden
cars
were
stacking
up
in
the
queue
Lane,
and
actually
there
was
one
or
two
vehicle
impacts
associated
with
that
as
well.
J
Two,
there
was
also
a
conversion
of
a
prior
drive
through
over
at
Verdugo
and
Hollywood
way
that
caused
vehicle
cueing
out
onto
Verdugo
into
traffic.
Lanes,
there's
also
other
fast
food
restaurants
in
town
that
are
going
not
to
just
the
residentially
adjacent.
You
have
several
other
regulations
before
you,
one
of
which
is
limiting
extension
of
operating
hours.
Another
one
is
increase
in
the
queuing
length.
J
We
have
a
very
popular
drive-through
restaurant
in
town,
where
they've
had
to
take
up
all
the
parking
to
create
internal
cueing
and
even
on
the
weekends
that
business
cues
out
onto
First,
Street
and
sometimes
around
onto
San
Fernando
Road.
So
this
is
certainly
burbank's.
Success
for
all
of
its
local
businesses
is
causing
traffic
impacts,
and
the
city
has
gone
to
Great
length,
most
recently
to
protect
adjacent
residential
neighborhoods
by
creating
more
cul-de-sacs,
putting
speed
humps
on
streets,
creating
no
parking
zones
and
it's
become
very
costly
for
the
city
and
disruptive
to
adjacent
residential
neighborhoods.
F
Has
anyone
done
any
research
on
any
restaurant,
that's
new
or
new
to
the
local
new
to
the
town
like
the
Dunkin,
Donuts
location
or
any
other
restaurant?
That
just
opens
up
there's
a
three
four
months
of
honeymoon
or
six
months
of
honeymoon
that
they
go
through
everybody
rushes
there.
They
want
to
be
the
first
one
through
the
door
or
they
really
enjoy
it.
But
after
that
honeymoon
period
is
over
things
to
come.
F
Things
tend
to
calm
down
a
bit
more
so
and
and
the
Dunkin
Donuts
location
and
I've
don't
frequent
it
myself,
but
I've
seen
it
where
now
you
don't
have
the
people
out
on
the
street
where,
in
the
beginning,
when
they
just
opened
up
I
did
see
them.
You
know
people
lining
up
out
on
the
screen
and
the
queuing
for
that
restaurant
is
less
than
probably
six
cars.
F
Six
cars
would
probably
be
able
to
fit
on
the
property.
It's
a
very
tiny
property.
But
when
you
have
queuing
of
100
feet
and
you're
talking,
I
mean
yes,
100
feet
that
that's
that's
you
know.
F
Eight
eight
cars,
perhaps
or
or
more
so
or
you
said
queuing
right
now-
is
about
10
cars
for
any
type
of
a
fast
food
restaurant
tank
cars
is
is
fairly
decent
if
I
wish
I
had
the
you
know
fast
food
that
tank
cars
lined
up
every
single
minute,
but
anyway,
that's
besides
the
point,
I
digress,
I
think
I
made
my
point.
Thank
you.
G
Staff
Mr
Albert
I'm,
just
speaking
as
a
resident
here
and
I,
think
it
devalues
my
property.
If
there's
a
a
queue
on
my
street,
you
know
taking
up
all
the
the
parking
and
leaving
a
mess.
I
wouldn't
want
to
live
there.
So
I
think
that.
G
So
one
of
my
questions
was
the
community
should
be
involved
in
in
this
process
as
well
and
one
of
these
I
guess
here
it
says
an
applicant
or
can
request
the
director
consider
a
reduction
in
the
minimum
stacking
distance
subject
to
the
preparation
of
queuing
analysis,
but
in
no
instance
shall
the
minimum
stacking
distance
be
no
less
than
220
feet.
Final
approval
of
the
minimum
stacking
distance
should
be
at
the
sole
discretion
of
the
director
or
his
or
her
designee.
G
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
question,
so
that
process
would
still
require
cup,
so
it
would
still
come
to
the
Planning
Commission.
You
would
have
every
opportunity
to
to
speak
on
it
as
well
as
the
public
would
be
able
to
speak
on
that
that
project
as
well
cool
good.
C
I
At
the
moment,
there
are
no
pending
applications
or
drive
through
restaurants
or
drive
through
establishments
that
would
be
affected
by
this
ETA.
It.
H
Is
important
to
note,
though,
commissioner,
that
we
get
inquiries
on
a
daily
basis
of
potential
sites,
so,
whether
there's
an
actual
formal
application?
There
are
people
that
are
shopping
around
looking
for
locations,
so
the
the
sooner
we
have
regulations
in
place
that
provide
that
Clarity
the
better
it's
what
happens
when
you
have
something
that's
being
considered
and
we're
going
through
the
review,
but
yet
the
code
changes
and
they
don't
have
a
permit
for
it.
It's
it's
once
a
permit
is
granted
that
they
have
that
vested
right.
H
D
C
Yeah
I
have
no
either
way
for
Baskin.
Robbins
am
I
correct
in
assuming
that
if
a
new
eating
establishment
were
to
move
in
within
90
days,
they
would
be
allowed
to
drive
through.
But
if
it's
ceased
operations
for
90
days,
they
would
not,
if
I
understanding
that
correctly
I
just
okay
great.
So
if,
for
instance,
if
it's
a
conversion
site,
that's
not
currently
a
restaurant,
it
would
trigger
a
cup,
for
instance,
if
it's
a
bank
Pharmacy
Etc.
But
if
it
is
a
current
restaurant
and
another
restaurant
takes
it
over
within
90
days.
H
Just
wanted
to
make
that
distinction
Joe,
so
that
if
you,
when
you
provide
her
that
input
because
I'm
not
too
sure
with
the
Baskin
Robbins,
if
right
behind
it,
is
residential
or
is
it
commercial?
As
far
as
on
the
zoning.
H
It
is
yeah
so
that
one
in
essence,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
convert
to
a
restaurant
with
residentially
adjacent,
but
if
it's
an
existing
one,
you
could
continue
that
as
a
legal
non-conforming
use.
Okay,.
C
C
C
H
One
thing
to
be
clear
to
the
commission:
the
reason
we
have
the
cep
process
nonetheless,
is
for
those
other
service
commercial
uses,
like
the
pharmacies
like
the
banks,
so
that
those
could
continue
to
operate.
So
if
there
was
a
lapse
in
time-
and
let's
say
they
didn't
have
a
cup
but
they're
like
hey,
we
have
a
new
bank.
Now
we
want
to
go
into
the
same
drive-through
facility,
let's
just
say,
gain
Credit
Union
and
they
don't
have
a
cup.
They
can
go
through
the
cup
process
and
re-establish
the
bank.
H
K
Just
to
clarify
for
myself,
this
is
really
you're,
taking
a
proactive
move
here
right,
because
there's
been
issues
with
the
traffic
backing
up
into
residential
areas,
so
we're
really
trying
to
clarify
for
the
first
time
it
actually,
as
I
said,
being
proactive,
so
that
we
don't
run
into
the
problem
of
having
a
300
car
backup
into
a
residential
area.
Correct.
K
My
other
question
was
sorry:
I
wrote
it
down.
I
can't
read
my
hand
right,
oh
okay,
so
this
the
standards
for
determining
the
stacking
and
the
cube
length.
K
Let's
say
that
you
say:
okay,
it
fits
within
that
queuing
stack,
let's
find
out,
let's
see
if
it
becomes
an
incredibly
popular
location,
and
now
this
thing
is
backing
up
all
the
way
down.
What
recourse
do
we
have
to
that
to
change
where
again,
to
protect
the
community
against
going
beyond
that
300
Coral
Cube
or
something.
I
I
think
that
so
what
we
have
is
a
requirement
for
a
queuing
analysis
that
needs
to
be
done
before
the
CP
gets
approved
and
just
speaking
internally,
if
the
queuing
analysis
Rises
to
the
level
of.
If
we
see
that
it's
going
to
be
popular
enough,
it
might
regards
the
level
of
Transportation
analysis,
which
would
require
other
considerations
before
we
can
move
forward.
With
this
EP
approval.
D
H
The
the
purpose
of
the
cup
process
is
also
to
allow
us
to
condition
the
project
in
such
a
way
to
mitigate
impacts.
The
one
scenario
and
we'll
refer
back
to
the
Raising
Cane
example
is
the
way
that
came
through.
It
was
a
retail
use
right
the
restaurant,
and
then
we
had
the
issue
of
the
drive-through
going
from
a
former
Bank
building
to
a
restaurant
in
1609
D,
which
is
in
the
current
code.
H
There
was
a
process
where
the
building
official
could
look
at
certain
changes
to
that
building,
both
in
footprint
and
also
through
the
drive-through
opening,
and
it
was
one
of
those
things
where
I
think
there
was
a
disagreement
between
both
the
public
and
and
us
and
the
building
official
and
saying.
Well,
we
think
this
is
a
change.
That's
in
substantial
conformance
with
this
provision
of
the
code.
D
H
Public
was
saying:
well,
we
disagree
with
you,
but
we
want
to
there's
no
venue
for
us
to
have
an
input
in
this
process.
To
use
your
words,
commissioner
Ulrich,
is
that
it
sounds
like
the
community
is
interested
in
having
at
least
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
the
analysis
of
a
new
use
of
this
type,
the
cup
process.
The
way
it's
presented
now
creates
that
venue
we
think,
like
any
other
use,
if
you
can
justify
and
make
the
findings
I
think
the
council
has
even
on
an
appeal.
Let's
say
it
comes
to
the
commission.
H
The
commission
agrees
and
someone
appeals
that
decision
to
the
council
even
on
appeal.
The
council
has
the
ability
to
either
validate
and
say
yes,
we
we
agree
with
the
findings
that
have
been
made
or
no.
We
disagree
for
these
reasons
and
adopt
a
separate
decision
with
its
own
findings,
so
that
creates
the
venue
for
that
kind
of
community
vetting
where
right
now,
in
that
particular
example,
it
did
not
exist,
so
they
had
to
get.
They
were
allowed
to
get
their
permit
without
that
vetting.
This
is
really
creating
that
that
sounds
like
that
from
us.
H
So
be
it,
but
also
to
address
the
immediate
concerns
with
the
fact
that
our
development
standards
are
pretty
Antiquated
compared
to
a
lot
of
the
business
models
that
are
currently
in
place.
In
the
case
of
Raising
Cane,
you
had
a
4
500
square
foot,
building
or
5
000
square
foot,
building
that
got
reduced
to
just
51
of
that
size
and
and
why?
H
Because
they
didn't
need
that
extra
space
to
produce
the
product,
but
what
they
really
were
interested
was
in
the
drive-through,
because
that's
where
they
make
the
majority
of
their,
they
have
it
down
to
a
science
on
how
many
vehicles
they
can
churn
through
that
and
it's
optimal.
So
less
square
footage,
less
maintenance.
But
you're
getting
more
product
out
the
door
and
the
cash
registers
ringing
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
That's
great!
You
have
Starbucks
that
now
are
literally
just
one
building
of
less
than
a
thousand
square
feet,
but
they
have
a
Q
Lane.
H
H
What
I've
learned
in
Burbank
in
my
six
years
is
we're
very
loyal
to
the
businesses,
and
the
perfect
example
is.
We
may
have
one
of
the
last
Krispy
Kremes
that
I've
seen
in
a
while,
but
those
queue
lines
are
outside
onto
the
street
and
also
our
in
and
out
has
Q
lines
of
that
snake
through
the
property
and
still
end
up
in
the
street.
K
H
F
What
about
the
other
drive-throughs
have
any
of
them
gone
through
cup
to
obtain
the
drive-through,
but.
H
Since
41
existing
since
since
I've
been
here
in
the
six
years,
the
two
that
I've
dealt
with
were
both
tenant
improvements,
but
there
are
other
locations
that
have
conditional
use
forms.
I,
don't
have
that
data
in
front
of
me,
but
we
could
look
into
that
for.
F
And
wouldn't
the
conditional
use
permit
provide
notice
to
residents
that
are
surrounding
that
particular
property
data?
For
anyone
who
has
any
concerns
can
come
out
and
voice
their
concerns,
just
as
today
they
could
have
come
out
and
voice
concerns.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct,
all
right.
So
in
that
regard,
wouldn't
this
entire
process
be
somewhat
redundant.
H
And
no
because
there
are
just
like
with
other
uses,
there
are
certain
development
standards
that
tell
us
How,
Much
landscaping,
how
many
parking
spaces
are
required?
How
big
of
a
building
footprint
you
can
establish
the
length
of
a
q-lane
for
on-site,
there's
those
development
standards
and
then
there's
collectively
the
project
with
all
those
components
added
to
it
being
analyzed
through
the
C.
The
conditional
use
permit
with
a
set
of
findings
that
need
to
be
made
under
under
that
process.
F
H
The
conversion
of
an
establishment
drive
through
was
allowed
to
occur
because
we
had
specific
language
if
they
met
that
criteria,
but
that
was
determined
by
the
building
official.
They
were
allowed
to
then
get
their
permit
to
proceed.
In
addition
to
that,
though,
even
the
160
foot
Q
Lane
in
the
analysis
that
staff
did
that
Mr
nyabuchi
did
in
combination.
F
I
understand
and
now
basically,
if
we're
going
to
be
weighing
the
benefits
and
the
detriments,
yes,
you
do
have
neighbors,
who
are
going
to
be
impacted,
provided
that
you
know
you
have
that
you
know
cars,
the
QA.
You
know
cars
going
out
on
the
street,
which
is
dangerous,
I
acknowledge
that,
but
at
the
same
time,
well,
how
many
people
are
you
going
to
be
depriving
the
opportunity-
and
these
are
also
Burbank
citizens-
Burbank
residents,
mostly
anyway,
who
are
frequently
that
establishment
to
get
their
food
and
quickly?
F
You
know,
leave
and
rush
off
to
pick
up
their
child
or
whatever.
So
so,
it's
basically
we're
focusing
on
the
the
the
three
four
five
six,
eight
properties
that
are
right
around
that
business
as
it
relates
to
maybe
200
300
people
who
go
through
that
driveway
and
these
businesses
they,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
I,
think
70
of
their
business
are,
is
the
drive-through
business?
F
That's
where
they
derive
their
most
income
is
from
the
drive
through
so
to
to
eliminate
that
or
to
try
and
restrict
it
to
the
point
where
you
are
putting
the
kabash
on
on
these
things.
You're
in
it's
a
it's
a
big
impact,
my
issue
is
I,
don't
think
there's
enough
consideration
has
been
given
I
think
this
is
like
I
said,
an
eject
reaction
that
needs
to
be
re-evaluated
and
Revisited
and
a
full
scope
needs
to
be
provided.
B
Thank
you
a
couple
questions,
so
there
are
a
number
of
businesses
that
were
named
in
in
your
report
where
those
businesses
contacted
to.
Let
them
know
that
this
process
was
happening
and
that
there's
a
potential
they're
going
to
lose
their
drive
through.
I
Week
we
contacted
a
number
of
property
owners
through
the
economic
development
office.
We
had
a
meeting
with
pbid.
I
B
And
I
just
want
to
just
walk
me
through
this
one
more
time:
I
own
a
restaurant
I.
My
value
is
in
my
drive-through
and
I'm
retiring
and
I'm
selling.
My
restaurant
is
the
new
owner
going
to
get
that
drive
through.
I
G
B
B
H
Okay
and
I,
if
I
can
clarify
chair
continuation
of
legal
non-conforming
uses
is
not
something
that
is
new.
D
H
Have
we
have
it
occur
all
the
time
if
someone
comes
in
and
says,
hey
I'm
closing
up
shop,
yeah
I'm
going
to
sell
my
business.
Here's!
What
I
have
I
just
want
to
make
sure
because
they'll
ask
us
what
their
real
estate
agent
we'll
see.
Yeah
you
can
continue
if
you're
selling
it
you
can
continue
that
we've
had
situations
where
people
are
in
the
process
of
like
signing
the
lease
yeah
and
they're
like
hey,
I'm
I'm.
The
lease
is
eminent
but
I
want
to
submit
my
application.
We've
allowed
that
to
be
a
continuation
of.
B
H
B
G
So
when
you
guys
did
a
general
plan
Amendment
and
you
made
a
council-
made
the
high
density
Residential
Properties
in
the
Rancho
low
density,
did
you
guys
notify
the
residents.
J
Let
me
say
that
for
every
type
of
action,
this
board
may
take
there's
a
specific
type
of
notice,
that's
required
by
law.
Sometimes
it's
publication
in
a
newspaper
of
General
circulation
got
it
sometimes
it's
mailing
to
all
residents
and
Property
Owners
within
a
thousand
feet
mailing
radius.
There
are
statutory
requirements
and
staff
provides
the
statutory
required
notice
for
that
particular
item.
J
What
the
chairman
just
brought
up
is
sometimes
there
may
be
a
broader
effort
or
desire
for
more
specific
Outreach
that
goes
beyond
the
statutory
requirements.
So
a
notice
to
everyone
who
owns
a
drive-through
establishment
would
never
be
a
statutory
requirement.
I
totally
get
how
it
would
be
desirable,
and
you
know
those
are
things
that
can
be
be
done
as
as
directed
and
this
particular
case.
We
met
minimum
noticing
requirements
because
we
were,
we
are
responding
with
a
code
amendment
to
address
a
very
specific
problem
for
which
city
council
adopted
an
urgency
ordinance.
J
So
there's
a
difference
between
and
you
know
you
had
asked
about
a
different
type
of
planning
procedure
and
some
of
those
may
involve.
Like
the
next
item
up,
we
may
give
notice
six
or
seven
times
on
a
long-range
type.
You
know
planning
effort
and
Community
meetings
versus
a
very
concise
code,
Amendment,
and
so
this
board
is
familiar.
J
This
commission
is
familiar
with
sometimes
we'll
do
very
extensive
and
the
public
won't
understand
why
we
may
use
a
very
narrow
type
of
noticing,
like
a
newspaper
of
General
circulation,
10
business
days
before
the
hearing,
and
it
may
seem
somewhat
short
or
truncated,
because
you
may
feel
that
it
misses
a
an
important
constituency
for
this
ordinance.
So
that's
the
the
difference
in
how
we
would
approach
notice
versus
what
you
may
customarily
see
in
other
ways
and.
H
And
chair
duly
noted,
I
I
think
Mr
enyambuchi
mentioned
a
community
meeting,
that's
happening
after
this
and
before
Council.
If,
if
part
of
the
feedback
from
the
commission
as
a
whole,
is
you
should
contact
not
just
the
ones
listed
in
the
report,
but
all
41
restaurants
that
have
drive-throughs,
then.
B
You're
talking
about
a
very
small
group
of
people
and
you're
calling
them
out
in
a
report-
and
this
is
going
to
have
an
effect
on
their
business
and
they
should
know
what
the
rules
are.
They
should
know
what
the
laws
are
and
they
should
have
a
voice.
They
should,
they
should
be
able
to
have
their
attorneys
come
and
represent
them
or
whatever.
But
we're
not
talking
about
hundreds,
we're
talking
about
a
very
small
group
here
that
they
deserve
to
have
their
voice
heard
and
I.
B
K
I
really,
like
the
point
you
brought
up
about
notices
to
the
area
of
businesses,
I
do
believe
that
they
should
be
brought
into
the
discussion.
On
the
other
hand,
I
do
believe
that
we
need
to
be
proactive,
as
I
said,
in
putting
these
rules
and
regulations
together
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
impacting
residential
areas
as
well
as
trying
to
be
fair
to
the
businesses
and
I,
certainly
understand
the
value
relating
to
a
drive
up,
especially
for
a
bank
I
know
from
my
own
experience.
K
A
bank
is
it's
very
important
to
have
a
drive
up,
so
I
I
would
go
along
with
chairman
razzani's
concern
about
noticing
the
area,
businesses
as
well
as
anybody
that's
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
I
I.
B
Agree
with
you
any
other
comments.
F
F
We
were
here
as
a
member
I
believe
my
job
is
to
serve
the
community,
the
entire
Community,
not
a
portion
of
the
community,
not
the
one
who
screams
the
loudest
or
makes
the
biggest
presentations
and
so
forth
and
and
in
any
type.
When
there's
something
needs
to
be
evaluated.
There
needs
to
be
a
balanced
presentation
so
that
the
resulting
evaluation
can
be
relied
upon.
F
This
is
not
a
complete
presentation
of
the
story.
We
need
the
whole
story.
I
need
the
whole
story.
If,
if
someone's
asking
me
to
say
yay
or
nay
or
something,
please
send
me
the
whole
story,
then
I'm
able
to
say
yeah
ornay
and
it's
very
important
to
consider
the
neighbors
are
very
important.
The
businesses
are
important,
but
the
community
as
a
whole
is
important.
F
The
people
who
use
the
business
are
important
as
well.
So
if
you
have
and
and
I
think
as
a
city
or
as
a
body
who's
in
charge
of
regulating
or
making
suggestions,
recommendations
for
regulation,
we
need
to
take
the
whole
story
in
process
it
and
provide
some
type
of
a
solution
that
everyone
can
live
with.
F
F
Council
has
its
role
and
we
have
a
role
and
I
take
my
role
very
seriously
and
in
that
regard,
it's
important
that
people
are
given
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
as
far
as
their
position
that
we're
not
trying
to
just
somehow
overcompensate
for
something.
That's
almost
in
six
months,
Maybe
non-existent
and
that's
the
other
issue.
F
I
have
because
we're
taking
one
restaurant,
two
restaurants
out
of
41,
that's
two
percent
less
than
two
percent
or
let's
say
two
and
a
half
percent,
and
then
suddenly
coming
up
with
some
emergency
resolution
that
we're
going
to
apply
to
everyone.
So
Aegis
makes
no
sense
to
me
and-
and
perhaps
this
is
the
way
to
go
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
not
today.
K
See
one
of
the
things
that
again
to
underscore
the
the
need
for
notices
is
that
I
believe
that
there
are
now
remedies
such
as,
if
you've
ever
gone
to
one
of
these
places,
where
you
order
in
one
location,
paying
the
other
location
and
that
frees
up
at
least
two
or
three
car
links.
So
there's
also
things
that
I
think
these
companies
are
coming
up
with
in
order
to
keep
the
flow
because,
let's
face
it,
you
want
to
keep
the
flow.
K
You
don't
want
these
people
sitting
in
the
street
waiting
and
then
having
them
drive
away
because
they
can't
get
to
the
window.
So
yeah
I
really
think
the
it's
important
for
this
notice
period,
because
I
want
to
learn
too
from
the
users.
What
do
they
have?
You
know:
what's
their
idea
about
how
they
can
correct
it
to
balance
offense,
you
know
yeah,
it's
great
for
the
community.
We
don't
want
to
screw
up
the
residential
areas.
We
don't
want
cars
parked
in
the
street
blocking
on
the
cross
sections
on
the
other
side.
K
B
C
C
That's
not
enough
and
that's
going
off
of
a
gut
reaction
as
a
resident
and
I
completely
understand
the
issues
that
the
Raising
Cane's
neighborhood
had
and
I'm
really
sorry
that
they
had
to
be
the
quote-unquote
trigger.
For
all
of
this,
however,
doing
the
math
it's
a
minimum
of
220
feet
in
a
queue
length
to
300
Max,
that's
15
cars
to
22
cars
roughly
using
the
14
square
feet
is
a
car
assuming
that
it's
it
takes
obviously
you're
going
to
spend
more
time
in
the
queue
but
just
doing
rough
math
for
going
through
a
drive-through.
C
As
far
as
the
business
concern,
because
as
a
commission,
we
do
have
to
balance
the
equities
of
a
business
and
a
and
residence
as
well,
because
that's
what
we
do
given
the
fact
that
there
are
no
existing
applications
and
given
the
fact
that
they
do
have
a
90-day
leeway
between
a
restaurant
ceasing
to
opt
to
operate
and
a
and
not
be,
and
not
being
able
to
have
a
restaurant
again.
I
do
think
that
is
ample
time
to
submit
an
application
and
go
through
the
permitting
process.
Even
though
it's
not
approved
I.
C
But
on
the
flip
side,
I
do
see
that
as
a
resident.
Someone
would
not.
When
someone
rents
a
house
or
purchases,
a
house
adjacent
to
a
commercial
space
such
as
a
Walgreens,
a
pharmacy,
you
go
into
it.
Knowing
that
that's
there,
you
don't
anticipate
that
there's!
You
know
a
fast
food
establishment
going
there.
So
with
all
that
being
said,
I
I'm
comfortable
with
the
drive-through,
the
new
measures
taken
I
think
it's
very
adequate
and
I'm
also
comfortable
with
the
90
days
of
operations.
So
I
I
support
this
amendment.
B
Thank
you
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
90
days,
but
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
and
if
you
were
noticed,
then
you
would
know,
and
you
could
play
checkers
or
chess
in
in
your
business
life
the
way
you
need
to.
But
if
you
don't
know,
and
then
you
sell
your
business,
then
you
find
out
oops
now
you're
stuck
not
not
no
I.
Think
that's
somewhat
unfair.
B
I
understand
the
concerns
about
drive-throughs.
I
am
not
concerned
about
the
drive-through
at
all
and
the
reason
why
is
because
there
was
a
an
establishment
called
Chick-fil-A
who
is
trying
to
purchase
the
larsarcos
site
and
they
wanted
to
drive
through
back
in
the
day
and
the
city
said
no
drive
through.
B
They
said
no
business
we're
out
of
here.
Three
months
later,
Chick-fil-A
said
you
know
what
we
want.
We
want
Burbank,
we
want
to
be
in
Burbank
and
we
want
the
site
they
came
in
without
the
drive-through.
So
what
did
they
do
they?
Also
they
out
Fox
the
fox,
so
they
got
something
better
than
a
drive-through.
When
you
walk
in
the
chick,
when
you
drive
the
Chick-fil-A,
all
the
parking
spaces
are
numbered.
1
through
15.,
you
go
on
your
app
before
you
go
to
Chick-fil-A.
You
say:
I
wanted
a
sandwich.
B
I
want
Coke
I
want
this
and
that
you
pull
into
your
parking
space.
Your
food
comes
out
and
you're
You're
gone
faster
than
it
would
be.
A
drive-through
and
I
think.
That's
probably
where
a
lot
of
these
companies
are
gonna,
go
or
should
go
because
it's
easier
on
the
business
and
the
staff
and
it's
easier
on
the
community
and
it's
easier
for
the
patron.
So
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
I
do
think
that
there
are
better
ways
and
if
you
go
to
Chick-Fil-A,
have
you
ever
been
there?
It's
it's
it's
the
best.
B
I'm
gonna,
just
I
I,
do
have
an
issue
with
fairness.
So
tell
me
how
you
can
Rectify
this
quickly.
I
know
that
you
want
to
push
this
along
to
council,
but
I
don't
want
anyone
to
feel
like
you
know
they
didn't
get
their
say
and
I
wanted.
I
I
want
them
to
have
enough
time
and
I
want
it
to
be
fair,
so
so
I'm
listening.
B
H
Is
it,
are
you
I
see
someone
wanting
to
have
a
discussion
before
I
I.
H
D
H
H
H
So
I
always
strive
to
try
to
get
as
unanimous
a
decision
for
a
recommendation,
because
it
shows
the
council
that
the
land
use
the
the
residents
that
are
on
their
land
use
decision-making
body
have
vetted
it
to
the
level
they
feel
comfortable
to
make
a
recommendation
and
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
concern
and
we
want
to
make
sure
as
always,
that
we
give
people
an
opportunity
to
chime
in
what
I
would
suggest,
and
hopefully
our
City
attorney
can
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
as
to
maybe
table
the
item
to
a
date
specific
after
May
3rd,
so
that
we
have
two
things
happen.
H
One
we
have
a
community
meeting
where
we
we
should
present
the
same
information.
We
presented
to
you
to
the
community.
We
notify
all
those
businesses
that
you
identified,
that
there's
a
community
meeting
and
also
we
notify
them
that
there's
an
upcoming
Planning
Commission
meeting.
That's
date,
specific
you'd
be
you'd,
be
tabling
this
item
to
a
date
specific,
and
if
that's
the
case,
then,
when
you
hear
it,
you
got
kind
of
like
a
preview
right.
We
heard
it
today,
you'll
hear
it
again.
H
There'll
be
also
the
opportunity
for
us
to
contact
all
those
people
and
have
them
be
able
to
vet
it
in
front
of
other
members
of
the
community
at
a
at
a
community
meeting
and
then
also
if
they
feel
that
they
want
to
communicate
that
information
to
you
directly.
They
can
do
so
during
this
period.
So
if
that
is
a
viable
option,
I
think
it
is.
H
But
I'll
I'll
ask
the
City
attorney
to
chime
in
tabling
the
item
to
a
date
specific
after
May
3rd,
one
of
our
regularly
scheduled
meetings
and
we'll
know
what
that
is
and
and
we'll
know,
and
then
based
on
your
feedback.
We
will
also
notify
those
individuals
of
the
upcoming
community
meeting
property
owners
and
businesses
of
the
updating
community
meeting
and
also
of
your
upcoming
meeting
when
the
commission
would
hear
it
I'd
like
to
if
that's
amenable
and
you
can
discuss
it
and
it
works.
H
H
I,
don't
know
how
detailed
it's
going
to
get
but
we'll
try
to
provide
us
balanced
and
an
assessment
of
retail
uses,
the
benefits
of
it
and
whatnot
in
combination
with
impacts
to
neighbors,
because
I
think
it's
more
than
five
houses,
commissioner
to
Kenny
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
have
a
whole
neighborhood,
that's
probably
40,
to
50
property
owners
that
may
feel
quite
different
about
the
effects
of
a
business,
so
we'll
do
the
noticing
and
bring
that
back
so
that
you
have
at
least
the
ability
to
say
everybody
got
an
opportunity
to
chime
in
on
this
before
we
made
a
final
decision
on
it.
H
B
C
B
D
H
No,
we
would,
we
would
bring
it
back
to
you,
because
we
need
to
recommend
you.
You
are
tasked.
One
of
your
duties
is
on
a
Zone
text.
Amendment
is
to
make
a
recommendation.
You
assess
the
Zone
text
Amendment
and
make
a
recommendation
to
council.
We
I
wouldn't
take
it
forward
to
council
without
a
recommendation,
whatever
that
recommendation
may
be,
what
I'm
saying
is.
H
May
3rd
would
never
have
been
a
decision.
It
was
a
community
meeting
community,
so
we're
just.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
going
the
extra
step
of
tabling
the
item
for
further
discussion
by
the
commission
until
after
the
community
meeting
and
bringing
it
back
to
you
before.
We
then
formally
schedule
a
public
hearing
date
with
noticing
before
the
council,
so
the
steps
will
still
happen.
We're
just
doing,
and
this
has
happened.
This
is
not
a
complete
anomaly
that
the
commission
is
like.
We
want
more
time
with
this,
so
we
table
the
item
for
further.
B
H
H
It's
just
an
extra
step
and
I
I
think
deserve
really
so
the
chair
and
and
if
the
other
Commissioners
as
a
whole
concur
more
public
input
is
not
a
bad
thing,
not
a
bad
thing.
Okay,.
J
And
and
I
just
just
to
be
honest,
full
disclosure
with
the
commission
I
was
in
a
hurry.
We
were
in
a
hurry
because
of
the
urgency
ordinance
that
was
in
place,
and
you
know
to
miss
to
to
commissioner
ottakinian's
Point,
there's
a
great
deal
of
interest
in
this
issue
because
of
the
recent
experience
with
Raising
Cane
so
but
to
to
Mr
Ramirez
Point.
J
We
want
the
full
deliberation
of
this
body,
and
so
our
hurry
is
not
necessarily
your
hurry,
and,
and
so
thank
you
for
the
direction.
Okay,
so.
B
J
D
B
F
Quick
comment
regarding
the
that
the
technology
that
you
refer
to
that's
been
utilized
by
Chick-fil-A
is
quite
expensive.
So
in
that
regard
not
every
single
ownership
is
able
to
make
that
type
of
an
investment,
but
it
is
a
good
solution
if
they're
able
to
that,
that
would
be
eliminate
some
of
the
concerns,
and
so
so
it
should
be.
Perhaps
they
should
know
about
it.
B
They
know
about
it
so
not
to
get
too
into
the
weeds,
but
I
have
a
friend
that
owns
I,
won't
say
what
he
owns.
He
owns
a
very
successful
salad
shop.
He
owns,
he
owns
12..
He
got
a
web
designer
to
do
the
app
that
goes
kind
of
like
those
ubereats
guys.
It
hits
their
kitchen
immediately
and
he
numbered
the
parking
spaces
and
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
that
much
that
big
of
a
deal
it
was
just
like
that.
There's.
F
Also,
the
the
the
the
back
office
side,
the
implementation.
B
There's
an
investment
into
it,
but
I
think
that
the
benefit
he
saw
the
benefit
because
we
were
having
this
conversation
about
a
month
ago
before
it's
even
came
before
us
and
he
saw
the
benefit
immediately.
He
said
within
within
a
month
his
business
was
running
so
much
better
and
he
had
less
staff
worried
about
trying
to
to
jam
the
the
drive-through
line
sure
because
they
had
more
time
because
people
were
calling
from
different
locations
where
they
had
drive
time
and
then
boom
they're.
There
they're
gone
and
it's
just
it
worked
pretty
good
like
an
orchestra.
B
F
Yes,
as
to
chair,
Resort
is
motion
to
table
it
until
May
22nd.
K
G
B
There
is
one
more
report
on
tonight's
agenda
item
number
one
now
is
the
time
for
the
planning
board
to
consider
a
report
on
the
downtown
Transit,
oriented
development
or
Tod
specific
plan
and
associated
general
plan
Amendment.
Will
the
representative
of
the
Community
Development
Department,
please
introduce
yourself
and
summarize
the
matter
for
us.
L
Members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Leonard
bechet
and
I'm
the
principal
planner
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
The
main
focus
for
tonight's
presentation
is
to
provide
you
all
an
update
on
the
downtown
Burbank,
Transit,
oriented
development
or
Tod
specific
plan,
including
the
recent
adjustments
that
we're
making
to
the
development
potential
for
the
specific
plan
to
the
benefit
of
our
new
Commissioners.
And
since
it
has
been
some
time
that
you
all
have
seen
this
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
background,
just
to
kind
of
bring
everybody
up
to
speed.
L
So
we'll
start
with
the
project
background,
so
there
are
two
planning
documents
that
are
in
place
that
guide
the
land
uses
for
downtown
Burbank,
the
Burbank
Center
plan
and
the
San
Fernando
Boulevard
master
plan
adopted
in
1997
and
2012
respectively,
while
both
of
those
plans
were
effective
at
the
time
of
adoption,
they're
no
longer
effective
to
help
the
city
address
the
housing
and
affordability
crisis.
It's
currently
facing
the
city
applied
for
and
was
awarded,
grant
funding
from
Metro
and
hcd
to
update
and
combine
both
plans
to
create
the
new
downtown
Burbank
Tod
specific
plan.
L
The
city
ranks
high
in
terms
of
cost
of
housing
and
has
one
of
the
lowest
vacancy
rates
in
LA
county,
making
it
difficult
for
burbank's,
Workforce
individuals
and
families
of
low
and
moderate
income
levels
to
find
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
The
city's
forty
five
thousand
residential
units
are
far
below
the
number
needed
to
house
the
130
000
plus
people
who
currently
work
in
Burbank
to
meet
the
scarcity.
The
city
council
set
a
goal
to
introduce
12
000
new
dwelling
units
Citywide
by
the
year
2035.
L
L
This
slide
shows
the
specific
plan
area,
which
is
approximately
965
acres
and
it's
generally
bounded
by
Lake
Street,
Victory,
Boulevard
and
Mariposa
Street
to
the
West
San
Fernando
Boulevard
and
Andover
Drive
to
the
North
Glen
Oaks,
Boulevard
and
5th
Street
to
the
East
and
Tujunga
Avenue
and
the
city
boundary
to
the
South.
It's
divided
in
the
middle
by
the
I-5
freeway
and
the
Southern
Pacific
and
Metrolink
Railroad
right-of-ways.
L
The
specific
plan
preparation
consists
of
five
key
phases:
Discovery
visioning,
Alternatives
and
plan
preparation,
public
review
and
adoption,
as
shown
in
the
slide
above.
The
discovering
and
visioning
phases
are
complete
and
the
specific
plan
project
is
currently
in
phase
three,
which
includes
the
development
of
land,
use,
alternatives,
development
potential
and
work
on
drafts
of
the
specific
plan
and
the
associated
program.
L
L
The
development
of
the
vision,
statement
and
The
Guiding
principles
principles
allowed
the
project
team
to
create
the
project
framework
which
looks
to
create
a
downtown
of
diverse
neighborhoods
districts
and
corridors.
A
well-connected
downtown
north,
south
and
east
to
west.
A
street
network
accessible
to
all
a
public
realm
of
streets
and
parks
and
parking
for
mixed
use.
Downtown.
L
The
first
component
of
the
plan
framework
is
a
downtown
of
diverse
neighborhoods
districts
and
corridors
I'll
Define.
What
each
of
these
is
in
the
context
of
the
plan,
a
neighborhood
is
defined
as
a
safe,
beautiful
mixed
income,
Place
primarily
for
living
that
also
accommodates
work
and
some
retail
activity
it's
defined
by
a
quarter
mile
walking
radius
from
a
center,
which
can
be
a
Park
School
stores
or
Civic
buildings,
and
it's
organized
around
a
public
realm
of
streets
and
parks.
L
L
L
L
So
the
Burbank
2035
General
plan
dictates
the
development
density
which
controls
residential
development
and
intensity,
which
controls
commercial
and
Industrial
Development.
The
map
on
the
left
shows
the
existing
General
plan.
Land
use
designations
applied
to
the
plan
area.
Will
the
map
to
the
left
depicts
the
proposed
General
plan
land
use
designations?
L
The
changes
include
the
creation
of
two
land
use
designations,
the
West
downtown
commercial
industrial
and
the
City
Center
mixed
use.
The
two
existing
land
use
designations
will
be
renamed,
including
downtown
commercial
to
downtown
mixed
use
and
South
San
Fernando
commercial
to
San
Fernando
mixed
use.
The
next
two
slides
will
provide
discussion
on
these
proposed
changes.
L
During
recent
discussions
and
Analysis,
a
concern
was
raised
as
to
preserving
long-standing
industrial
areas
that
currently
include
commercial
and
private
industrial
uses.
City
utility
sites,
such
as
the
Burbank
Water,
empowers
Magnolia
power
plant
and
the
city's
Wastewater
Reclamation
and
treatment
plant
on
the
western
side
of
the
specific
plant
area
between
Interstate,
5
and
Victory
Boulevard.
L
To
avoid
incompatibilities
within
existing
and
ongoing
industrial
sectors,
as
well
as
ensuring
the
long-time
viability
and
continued
use
of
commercial
and
industrial
areas
within
the
planning
area,
staff
is
proposing
that
the
new
land
use
designation,
West,
downtown
commercial
industrial
would
prohibit
residential
development
of
all
kinds,
but
would
allow
both
commercial
and
Industrial
Development.
With
an
far
of
1.0.
L
L
Instituting
these
changes
to
the
Burbank
2035
General
plan
land
use
designations
would
ensure
a
no-net
loss
of
residential
development
consistent
with
state
law
as
depicted
in
the
maps
above
the
existing
residential
development
potential
of
the
affected
properties
is
8967
units.
With
the
proposed
General
plan,
land
use
designation,
the
density
changes.
It
is
9002
units
which
results
in
a
gain
of
35
units.
L
L
These
alternatives
are
number
one.
The
preferred
project
number
two:
the
increased
growth
alternative
and
number
three.
The
no
growth
alternative
depicted
on
this
slide
is
the
preferred
project
which
studies
all
housing
element,
opportunity,
sites
that
are
shown
in
gold
and
specific
plan,
Redevelopment
sites
shown
in
purple
and
orange
the
residential
development
potential
for
these
sites
was
calculated
by
multiplying
the
site,
acreage
of
each
applicable
opportunity
site
by
the
maximum
density
Allowed
by
the
general
plan.
L
It
is
assumed
that
the
full
commercial,
far
Allowed
by
the
general
plan
for
each
site
generally
will
not
be
achieved
based
on
existing
market
conditions
and
recent
project
applications.
Most
sites
are
anticipated
to
develop
at
33
percent
of
the
allowed
commercial.
Far,
however,
opportunity
sites
located
within
the
new
city
center
mixed
use,
land
use
designation
will
be
analyzed
at
100
of
far
potential
so
that
the
city
can
understand
the
effect
of
a
full,
build
out
and
plan
accordingly.
L
We'll
work
on
the
specific
plan
has
progressed
since
2020.
Several
state
laws
have
passed
to
streamline
the
development
of
housing,
including
the
state
density
bonus
program,
which
allows
developers
the
ability
to
exceed
the
base
densities
established
in
the
Burbank
2035
General
plan
by
up
to
50
percent
in
exchange
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
L
L
L
In
summary,
this
slide
depicts
the
project
Alternatives
that
will
be
studied
in
the
projects
program
eir.
As
noted,
the
preferred
project
is
consistent
with
the
city
council
housing
goals
to
provide
a
range
of
housing
which
includes
new
opportunities
for
affordable
and
Workforce
housing
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
L
B
You
thank
you
Michelle.
We
will
now
open
the
meeting
to
hear
from
many
persons
who
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Each
person
may
address
the
planning
board
for
a
maximum
time
of
three
minutes
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
the
planning
division
staff.
If
you
wish
to
speak
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
by
telephone,
please
call
818-238-335
to
address
the
planning
board.
Callers
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
all
persons
comments
have
been
received.
B
The
phone
lines
are
now
open.
Please
bear
with
us,
as
we
take
a
few
cup
a
couple
of
moments
for
the
first
callers
to
get
through
for
callers.
Please
remember
to
lower
your
the
volume
on
your
TV
or
your
computer
and
take
your
phone
off
speaker
to
deliver
your
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
line.
G
One
I
remember
question
was
about
oh,
so
it
looks
like
we
can.
According
to
this
plan,
meet
all
our
Arena
numbers
in
this
specific
plan
or
it's
on.
Oh,
it
looks
like
we
can
meet
all
our
Arena
numbers
within
this
specific
plan.
Is
that
correct.
H
No,
the
the
development
potential,
that's
being
analyzed,
shows
in
two
examples:
the
development
potential
of
up
to
nine
thousand
units
and
another
one
of
16
for
the
preferred
and
the
increased.
Those
numbers
would
be
in
line
with
the
arena
number
for
this
cycle,
which
is
an
eight
year
cycle
of
8772.
What
it
doesn't
account
for
is
we
have
two
housing
Cycles
during
the
planning
period
of
the
specific
plan.
H
The
specific
plan
planning
period
is
for
15
years,
and
housing
elements
are
eight
every
eight
years
and,
as
you
recall,
the
last
housing
element
would
give
us
Arena
number
Regional
Housing
needs
assessment
allocation
that
were
obligated
to
try
to
facilitate,
and
that
is
of
8772..
What
what
is
an
X
Factor
is
what
would
be
the
seventh
planning
cycle
for
the
housing
element,
so
we
have
to
also
account
for
any
other
Arena
number
that
we
may
get
in
the
last
part.
H
12.,
so
the
council,
to
clarify
the
council
prior
in
2017,
looked
at
like
an
affordable
housing
strategy
and
as
part
of
that,
they
set
a
goal,
a
Visionary
goal
to
look
at
facilitating
the
development
of
up
to
12
000
units
by
2035..
So
so
back
in
the
day,
we
thought
that
was
pretty
ambitious.
H
However,
you
know
the
state
has
already
in
essence,
given
us
a
work
order
to
say
we
want
you
to
facilitate
Arena
number
of
8772,
so
in
essence,
even
the
12
000
unit
number,
that's
pretty
Visionary
for
Council
may
not
be
enough
if
we
account
for
us
another
planning,
another
planning
cycle
for
a
housing
element,
Mr.
J
H
No,
it
was
just
a
goal
to
strive
for
yeah,
so
there
was
no
zoning,
and
this
is
the
actual
Mr.
Mcdougall
brings
up
a
really
good
point,
which
is
our
housing
element
which
it
was
adopted
by
Council
gave
us
in
essence,
kind
of
a
work
plan
as
well,
and
part
of
that
is
there's
a
provision
in
the
housing
element
that
called
for
rezoning.
H
That
would
occur
through
this
specific
plan,
the
one
in
Golden
State
and
there's
not
just
the
8772,
but
the
housing
element
also
had
a
buffer,
because
we're
not
assured
that
every
site
that
we
envisioned
being
developed
will
be
a
hundred
percent
to
the
max
number
of
units
that
we
need.
So
the
state
required
us
to
also
go
through
the
effort
of
planning
for
buffer
sites
that
would
get
us
to
a
number
of
Ten
Thousand.
H
Four,
fifty
six
once
again
within
just
this
planning
period
of
the
housing
element,
who's
to
say
what
happens
in
a
subsequent
one.
So
yeah
that
was
a
goal,
wasn't
planned
for
it.
But
from
a
standpoint
of
consistency,
the
effort
underway
is
consistent
with
that
goal
and
with
the
housing
element.
Thank.
J
B
H
Sure,
just
real
quick,
because
the
public
is
listening,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
what
we
gave
you
was
just
an
update,
but
rest
assured-
and
so
the
committee
knows
that
when
the
specific
plan
is
prepared
and
when
the
environmental
document
is
also
completed,
we'll
schedule
a
notice
public
hearing
before
the
commission
to
consider
that
in
any
recommendation
to
the
council.
So
it's
it's
a
good
update,
but
it's
not
an
end-all.
H
B
Pretty
good
now
is
the
time
for
oral
Communications
from
the
public
any
person.
Speaking
during
this
period
of
time,
May
address
the
planning
board
on
any
matter
concerning
City
business.
Each
person
may
address
the
planning
board
for
a
maximum
time
of
three
minutes.
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment
in
person.
Please
present
a
completed
speaker
card
to
the
planning
division
staff.
If
you
wish
to
speak
by
phone,
please
call
818-238-335.
B
B
G
A
motion
to
approve
the.
K
B
B
Seeing
none
now
is
the
time
for
city
planner
comments.