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Burbank Police Commission Meeting - February 15, 2023
B
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Burbank
police
commission
for
Wednesday
February
15
2023.,
let's
see
we
are
currently
we're
located
in
the
community
services
building,
as
opposed
to
regular
Chambers,
where
the
meetings
normally
held.
Let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
call
to
order
and
roll
call.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
Roll
Call.
C
E
B
B
818-238-3335
callers
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
in
all
until
all
in-person
comments
have
been
received,
and,
unlike
the
meeting
that
we
just
concluded,
this
will
be
a
regular
I.
Believe
it's
a
three-minute
comment
period
is
that
correct,
so
it'll
be
three-minute
comment
period.
So
with
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
commission
announcements
and
Reporting
out
by
Commissioners
and
ad
hoc
subcommittees.
G
Thank
you,
chair
cromes,
on
January
23rd
2023
on
Monday,
at
a
meeting
with
Captain
puglisi.
Thank
you,
Captain
pelusi
for
for
your
time
he's
a
commanding
officer
of
the
support
services,
division
and
if
the
community
doesn't
know-
and
this
is
a
general
description,
the
commanding
officer
of
a
of
a
support
services
division
is
responsible
for
overseeing
and
managing
the
administrative,
logistical
and
Operational
Support
function
of
the
division
or
the
organization.
This
could
include
anything
from
Human,
Resources,
Finance
facilities,
procurement,
information
technology
and
support
services.
G
B
I
I
have
a
few
first
I
just
want
to
thank
sergeant,
fekity
and
detective
Peltier
in
romic.
We
went
out
on
January
24th
and
did
a
combination
right
along
and
participated
in
the
homeless
count
and
really
appreciated
being
out
there
in
the
community
with
them.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
romic
for
successful
collaboration
with
the
Pio
in
FL
in
flyer
design
for
tonight's
special
meeting.
I
hope
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
these
public
information
channels
in
the
future.
B
I
also
have
it's
it's
an
ad
hoc
reporting
on
and
we're
going
to
spend
some
time
under
item
G5
talking
about
how
ad
hoc
committees
function,
but
we
do
have
it
on
the
agenda
for
right
now
to
report
out
on
it.
I
wanted
to
report
out
on
an
ad
hoc
committee
that
actually
met
in.
We
actually
had
this
prepared
in
October,
and
this
was
in
actually
response
to
to
someone
who's
here
here
tonight
that
raised
a
question
over
the
summer.
B
This
is
regarding
this
is
a
Contracting
sub
committee
that
Mike
ellman
and
I
worked
on
together
and
the
Commissioners
have
copies
of
a
memo
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
paraphrase.
What's
on
the
memo
at
the
July
2022
police
commission
meeting,
we
created
a
two-member
subcommittee
to
meet
with
staff
regarding
the
selection
and
vetting
process
for
Department
vendors.
This
was
in
response
to
public
comment,
raising
concerns
about
sole
source
Contracting
for
towing
services.
B
As
mentioned
myself
and
Mr
Allman,
commissioner
Allman
participated
in
that
a
phone
call
to
the
purchasing
division
of
the
City
of
Burbank
confirmed
that
one,
the
purchasing
division
processes,
all
contracts
for
service
is
purchased
by
the
City
of
Burbank,
including
the
Burbank
police
department
and
two.
The
purchasing
division
follows
all
procedures
identified
in
Chapter
2
of
the
Burbank
Municipal
Code,
which
is
regarding
purchases
contracts
and
sales
specific
to
sole
source
contracts.
B
Section
2.2-2-112
states
that
competitive
building
may
be
dispensed
when
an
annual
amount
of
the
purchase
or
contract
is
ten
thousand
dollars
or
less
per
vendor
per
year
per
departmental
division.
That
is
section
2-2-112
part
a
item
one
and
additionally
at
the
September
27
2022
city
council,
meeting
Chief
Albanese
informed
the
city
council
of
that
the
current
sole
source
Towing
agreement
was
approved
in
2018
for
a
four-year
period,
with
options
for
two
three-year
renewals.
The
evaluation
for
the
first
three-year
renewal
will
come
before
the
city
council.
B
This
past
November
and
chief
Albanese
further
reported
at
the
time
that
the
city
is
receiving
is
receiving
the
services
requested.
The
contractors
demonstrated
they
have
a
safe
and
secure
resources
to
properly
conduct
business
response.
Time
is
immediate
and
an
additional
service
to
relocate,
City
Vehicles
is
provided
at
no
cost.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
Mr
ellman
for
working
with
me
on
having
the
opportunity
to
look
into
that.
Are
there
any
other
commission
announcements
reporting
out?
The
Commissioners
would
like
to
make
no
okay,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
get
ready
to
move
on.
B
H
You
know
this
three
minute
three
minute
business
of
speaking.
That's
nonsense!
Your
attendance
is
typically
light.
It's
not
like
you're
you're
late
in
the
evening.
You
should
be
encouraging
participation
and
not
discouraging
it,
and
the
three
minutes
is
very
restrictive.
We
used
to
get
five
minutes
at
the
city
council
and
even
more
if
you're,
talking
and
you're
on
point-
and
you
know,
I
get
it
if
you
want
to
wrap
it
up
on
somebody's
ranting
and
they're
off
topic,
but
if
you're
on
topic,
you
know,
don't
shut
me
off
at
three
minutes.
H
Okay,
with
regard
to
this
previous
hearing
that
we
just
had,
you
know
when
you
reflect
about
it,
I'm
with
Mr
Chapman,
the
term
military
equipment
is
really
a
misnomer
I.
Don't
consider
really
anything
that
we
talked
about.
Maybe
this
40
millimeter
thing
yeah,
but
all
this
other
stuff.
You
know
every
peace
officer
in
here
has
a
can
of
spray
on
their
belt
and
we
don't
call
that
military
equipment.
A
drone,
certainly
is
not
military
equipment.
H
There
you
can
I,
can
go
to
the
store
and
buy
one
and
a
pepper
ball
gun
same
thing.
You
know
I'd
rather
personally
be
shot
with
a
pepper
Bowl
than
with
a
taser.
When
you
get
shot
with
a
taser,
you
fall
over.
You
hit
your
head,
it's
it's
a
much
more
dangerous
event.
In
my
opinion.
Now,
if
the
police
department
had
tools
like
Bazookas
or
explosives,
there's
a
question:
do
you
have
any
explosives
that
would
be
more
in
line
of
military
equipment?
H
H
If
you
want
to
use
it
now,
I'm
supervising
these
things
for
decades
and
I've
never
seen
anybody
use
it
and
you
probably
haven't
been
taught
that
you
have
it.
But
here
it
is
from
the
Burbank
municipal
code
and
it
compels
you
it.
It
authorizes
you
the
right
to
issue.
It
talks
about
the
execution.
It
orders
the
chief
to
serve
these
subpoenas
now
and
there's
penalties.
H
I
H
Let
me
collect
my
thoughts
on
this
on
this
Towing
thing.
Okay,
you've
been
bamboozled,
Mr
chairman
about
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars,
I'm
talking
about
this
Towing
contract.
Again,
this
justification
is
a
falsehood,
they're
sending
you
in
the
opposite
direction.
It
is
never
appropriate
to
have
a
48-year
no-bid
contract
and
there's
millions
of
dollars
at
stake
and
I've
heard
different
numbers
and
I.
Don't
trust
our
city
manager
who
I
talked
about
it
months
ago,
and
it's
been
delayed
until
now,
and
perhaps
this
contract
has
already
been
renewed.
Another
three
years,
I
read
the
contract.
H
It
was
five
years
and
the
contract
I
read
and
in
the
contract.
I
read.
It
says
nothing
about
us,
the
city
paying
the
tow
vent.
This
tow
Condor
contractor
Gerard
Peterson,
but
the
chief
confirmed
to
me
that
we
pay
them
money
thousands
of
dollars
every
year,
so
this
should
be
looked
into
and
it
begs
the
question
when
you
have
a
no
bid
contract.
H
These
types
of
questions
come
into
play.
What
gifts
has
Gerard
and
Peterson
given
to
our
of
City
officials?
It
begs
the
question
that
we
should
be
asking
they're
in
the
business
of
taking
people's
cars
and
selling
them,
because
the
storage
fees
add
up
so
quickly,
so
I
want
to
know
have
any
of
our
city
officials.
H
Maybe
members
within
the
police
department
ever
received
any
cars
from
Gerard
and
Peterson.
Are
they
going
to
claim?
Well,
they
bid
on
them.
It's
an
open
auction
and
I
say
these
things
not
not
being
accusatory.
I
read
them
in
the
newspaper
in
the
LA
Times
that
other
departments
are
in
collusion
with
the
tow
agencies
and
ending
up
with
people's
cars
that
they
like.
So
you
know
it.
It
should
be
looked
into
I'm
glad
that
two
members
of
our
Council
are
here
and
I
hope,
they're
hearing
my
words.
Thank
you
for
the
extension.
B
K
Thank
you
for
your
comment.
Sir
I
will
be
honest
with
you.
I
was
kind
of
offended
by
the
term
military
equipment.
I
actually
approached
mayor,
Anthony
and
vice
mayor
Schultz
about
it
in
December
and
I
was
told
that
that
is
a
state
term
designated
by
the
state.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
City
of
Burbank
and
it
is
a
policy
that's
put
in
state
and
we're
simply
complying
by
I.
Think
what
we,
what
was
demonstrated
tonight
was
an
incredible
incredible
overall
of
accountability
and
restraint.
F
C
Mr,
chair
I,
just
want
to
remind
everybody
after
our
Brown
act.
Training
last
month,
in
particular,
response
to
public
comment
is
meant
to
be
brief
and
non-substantive,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
abiding
by
the
requirements
that
the
brown
act
and
not
going
beyond
what
we
should
be
okay.
Thank
you.
B
L
I
would
I
would
also
regarding
the
towing
question.
It
seems
I
understand
the
concern
as
you're,
maybe
seeing
there's.
This
is
happening
in
other
locations
and
you
want
to
know
if
it's
happening.
You
know
where
you
live
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
a
bigger
issue
that
is
really
about
the
purchasing
Division
and
the
policies
there
versus
maybe
something
specific
to
the
police
department.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
but.
B
B
A
B
Of
any
opposition
abstentions,
okay
minutes
are
approved,
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
items
of
business
now
and
the
first
item
of
business
is
presentation,
discussion
and
recommendations,
if
any.
Regarding
the
Department's
policy
number
309,
which
is
on
taser
deployment,
Lieutenant
brimway
I,
believe
is
presenting
on
this
good
evening.
Lieutenant.
M
So
anytime
we
have
a
critical
incident,
including
the
use
of
force,
specifically
with
the
taser
there's
a
very
robust
process
in
investigating
that
use
of
force.
At
some
point,
the
critical
incident
review
board
does
convene
reviews
the
use
of
force
to
confirm
that
that
use
of
force
was
within
Department
policy
and
within
state
and
federal
laws
as
well.
The
chief
of
police
then
forwards
me.
M
The
findings
with
a
curb
the
critical
instant
review
board
and
then
my
job
is
to
meet
with
the
individual
officers,
discuss
the
findings,
anything
that
we
could
do
better,
whether
it's
training
and
then
we
also
forward
that
information
to
our
training
Cadre,
where
anytime,
we
have
directed
Patrol
training
for
our
officers.
It's
something
that
we
incorporate
just
as
a
learning
tool
for
all
of
us.
M
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
start
the
taser
policy
review
policy
309
that
policies
actually
are
conducted
electrical
weapon
policy,
but
it's
better
known
as
our
taser
policy
to
to
the
public
in
general.
I
also
want
the
public
to
know
that
this
policy
obviously
is
on
our
website.
So
anyone
who
wants
to
review
the
nine
page
policy
and
depth
and
detail
can
do
so
so
I
want
to
start
off
with
with
a
video
I'm
going
to
show
you
here
shortly,
but
wanted
to
go
over
policy
309.
M
So
policy
309
is
intended
to
control
violent
or
potentially
violent
individuals,
while
minimizing
risk
of
injury
to
both
the
officers
and
any
member
of
the
public,
including
the
subject
that
we're
interacting
with
so
this
video
here
that
I'm
going
to
show
you
is
a
good
example.
It's
a
it's
a
lady
who's
in
the
middle
of
the
street,
surrounded
by
officers
potentially
suffering
from
mental
health,
illness
of
some
sort
and
she's
wielding
a
knife
refusing
to
put
the
knife
down.
So
the
officers
have
been
called
out
to
this.
M
Think
it's
a
it's
a
good
example
in
general,
where
a
situation
like
that
could
quickly
turn
into
a
deadly
force
situation
and
our
goal
is
to
take
any
potential
deadly
force
situation
and
de-escalated
to
the
lowest
common
denominator
that
we
can,
and
sometimes
the
taser
is
the
option
to
prevent
that
deadly
force
situation,
because
in
a
case
like
that,
if
you
were
to
start
to
run
toward
officers-
and
they
did
not
have
the
taser
tool
to
use
that
could
potentially
turn
into
a
deadly
force.
So
that's
something
that
we
take
into
consideration
anytime.
M
M
At
the
end
of
that
training
there
is
an
exam
that
has
to
be
passed
by
the
officers
to
be
able
to
carry
the
taser.
But
beyond
that,
there's
a
practical
portion
to
that
training
when
you
can
deploy
when
you
cannot
deploy
that
taser,
so
officers
are
tested
on
that
as
well.
Making
Split
Second
decisions
on
whether
or
not
they
can
deploy
that
taser
or
not,
and
you
have
to
successfully
pass
all
aspects
of
that,
including
the
written
test
and
then
the
Practical
training
as
well
before
you
can
carry
the
taser
I
mentioned
earlier.
M
As
far
as
best
practices
and
the
chief
ensuring
that
we
not
only
follow
all
federal
and
state
laws,
but
we
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
keep
the
public
safe
and
ensuring
that
we
don't
confuse
a
firearm
with
the
taser
from
the
beginning.
When
we
began
to
carry
the
taser,
we
ensured
that
the
tasers
carried
on
opposite
side
of
where
a
firearm
is
and
yellow
in
color.
There's
agencies
out
there
that
carry
black
tasers,
which
is
very
similar
to
a
firearm,
and
this
year
State
legislation
just
passed
law.
M
That's
that
specifically
mandates
all
California
law
enforcement
officers
to
ensure
that
they
carry
it
opposite
side.
But
since
2008
we're
already
doing
that.
So
it's
either
a
weekend
draw
or
cross
draw
to
minimize
the
confusion
of
a
firearm
with
the
taser,
and
then
the
color
yellow,
obviously
is
very
bright
to
ensure
that
we
do
not
confuse
the
two
and
our
partner
officers
do
not
confuse
the
two
as
well.
M
M
The
policy
State
should
because
a
non-deadly
force
situation
can
quickly
become
a
deadly
force
situation
where
someone
might
not
be
presenting
a
firearm
but
they're
aggressive
toward
officers.
They
have
their
taser
out,
but
suddenly
they
present
a
firearm
right,
so
the
officer
might
not
have
time
to
put
his
taser
away
or
her
taser
away
and
draw
their
firearm,
but
generally
speaking,
we
are
trained
on
not
carrying
both
at
the
same
time.
Just
because
of
that
sympathetic
response
pulling
the
trigger
a
verbal
warning
should
be
given
preceding
the
application
of
the
taser
whenever
possible.
M
So
we
train
our
officers
both
to
give
the
individual
involved
the
knowledge
that
they
maybe
tased,
and
hopefully
they
comply
and
there's
no
need
to
tase
them,
but
it
also
gives
our
partner
officers
not
to
confuse
the
taser
with
a
firearm,
because
it
does
make
a
popping
sound.
So
we
want
to
ensure
that
a
partner
officers
don't
confuse
the
taser
with
the
firearm
body
warrant
activation
I
have
on
there.
I
want
to
do
a
quick
presentation
of
this.
It's
called
a
signal
activation.
There's
no
probes
in
this.
This
taser
here
is
safe.
M
So
now
my
body
worn
camera
is
on
because
I
activated
the
taser,
so
we
call
that
a
signal
activation
and
the
purpose
of
that
is
situations
are
highly
evolving
very
stressful
at
times,
and
officers
may
not
have
the
opportunity
to
turn
on
their
taser
in
a
stressful
situation.
So
it's
very
similar
to
drawing
our
firearm.
The
same
thing
happens
with
that
or
turning
on
or
code
3
lights,
it
automatically
activates
our
body
worn
camera.
M
M
Anytime
that
we
use
a
Taser
on
an
individual,
we
have
a
very
strict
procedure
that
we
we
follow,
the
probes
we
are
trained
to
remove
probes
from
individuals
when
the
taser
is
deployed,
with
the
exception
of
sensitive
areas.
If
someone
is
struck
in
a
sensitive
area
such
as
the
neck,
the
groin
area,
medical
personnel
only
will
remove
it,
but
the
officer
Who's
involved
in
that
use
of
force,
who
activated
and
used
that
taser
will
not
remove
the
probes.
So
anytime
we
have
a
use
of
force
with
a
taser
and
specifically
with
a
taser.
M
Fresh
new
faces
come
in,
who
are
not
a
part
of
that
use
of
force,
they're
the
ones
that
can
remove
the
probes
and
any
subsequent
transport
of
the
person
that
force
was
used
upon
will
be
done
by
officers
other
than
those
involved
in
the
use
of
force.
So
we
immediately
try
to
de-escalate
the
situation,
both
with
the
officers
and
the
subject
that
we
use
Force
against,
so
now
I'm
going
to
get
to
309.5.1.
These
are
the
different
modes
that
we
could
use
the
taser
device,
so
the
first
one
is
a
probe
mode.
M
So
that's
pretty
much
shooting
the
the
deploying
the
Tabor
taser
and
striking
an
individual
right,
hoping
that
it
causes
nmi
and
nmi
is
neuromuscular
incapacitation
right.
That's
what
causes
the
muscles
to
tighten
up.
They
fall
to
the
ground
and
we
place
them
in
handcuffs.
The
second
one
is
Drive
stun
with
probes
spread
nmi.
What
that
means
is
there's
times
where
we
want,
usually
a
12
inch
spread
for
the
taser
device
to
work.
Sometimes
we
don't
get
it
because
the
suspect
is
moving
around
or
we're
too
close
to
them.
M
So,
once
they've
been
struck
with
two
probes,
we
move
the
taser
device
to
another
part
of
the
body
reactivate
the
taser
again,
and
then
that
gives
us
the
nmi.
So
we
could
also
use
a
Taser
that
way
and
finally,
Drive
stun
without
deploying
the
probes
and
typically
that's
used
for
paint
compliance
and
then
potentially
creating
space
between
us
and
the
suspect.
M
So
an
example
of
that
that
I
can
give
when
I
was
training
a
trainee.
When
we
had
just
received
a
taser
was
someone
we
were
dealing
with,
who
ran
onto
the
freeway,
so
I
was
running
onto
the
at
the
time
we
had
the
Walnut
on-ramp
to
the
freeway
and
we
tase
them
just
as
he's
getting
onto
the
freeway
on
foot.
So
for
that
person's
safety,
we
tased
them
took
them
into
custody
before
the
potential
of
them
getting
struck
by
a
vehicle
or
the
officer
is
getting
struck
by
a
vehicle.
M
Another
example
I
could
give
recently
that
I'd
occurred
is
officers,
responded
to
a
theft
call
they
contacted
a
subject
in
front
of
a
7-Eleven
at
Verdugo
and
Olive.
They
attempted
to
detain
this
the
subject
for
the
theft
crime.
The
store
was
a
desires
for
prosecution,
immediately
became
a
belligerent
started.
Shouting
at
officers
raised
his
fist
several
times
at
officers
as
they
tried
to
take
him
into
custody.
The
tasers
was
still
not
deployed
at
that
point
as
a
subject
started
to
run
away
from
officers
and
into
the
street.
At
that
point
they
tased
them.
M
M
Mere
flight
from
pursuing
officers
is
not
good
cause
for
the
use
of
the
taser.
The
taser
will
not
be
used
against
a
subject
just
running
from
officers
if
the
officers
have
nothing
else,
no
threat
of
violence,
potential
violence,
no
known
violence
of
the
individual,
keeping
in
mind
they're,
not
suddenly
running
into
traffic
Lanes
on
Magnolia
Boulevard,
on
a
Friday
at
four
o'clock
or
running
onto
the
freeway.
M
As
the
example
given
earlier
just
mere
flight
alone
is
not
a
good
cause
to
taste
somebody
so
the
taser
of
a
device
or
policy
states
that
should
be
avoided
against
individuals
who
appear
to
be
pregnant,
elderly
or
juveniles.
Low
body,
mass
handcuff,
restrained
individuals,
individuals
who
are
recently
sprayed
with
OC
or
other
flammable
material
or
their
position
may
result
in
collateral
injury.
So,
if
they're
standing
on
a
rooftop
right,
that's
probably
not
a
good
idea
to
tase
that
individual,
because
it
may
cause
them
to
fall
off
of
the
roof.
M
So
those
are
ones
where
we
have
to
really
do
our
due
diligence
before
we
determine
to
taste.
Someone
doesn't
mean
that
there
may
not
be
a
situation
where
we
would
tase
someone
under
these
categories,
but
we
would
absolutely
use
it
as
a
last
resort.
Considering
the
circumstances
of
the
individual,
the
taser
device
shall
not
be
used
to
psychologically
torment
illicit
statements
or
to
punish
any
individual.
There's
no
exceptions
to
that.
M
Multiple
applications
should
be
avoided,
but
there
is
the
need
to
if
there
is
a
need
to
control
the
subject.
If
that
outweighs
the
risk,
then
we
may
have
to
redeploy
the
taser
again
if
necessary,
but
we
train
on
applying
the
taser
and
taking
them
into
custody
as
quickly
as
we
can,
because
the
quicker
we
get
them
in
custody,
then
there's
no
need
for
any
additional
Force.
M
M
So,
typically,
what
we
want
to
do
is
the
perfect
scenario
would
be
to
get
one
probe
in
the
abdominal
area
and
one
in
the
quad
somewhere
that'd
be
the
most
ideal
situation,
because
you're
avoiding
the
chest
area,
you're,
avoiding
any
sensitive
areas
and
then
again
for
the
back
as
well.
The
back
is
always
a
preferred
Target
for
the
officers
and
they're
trained
to
try
to
tase
an
individual
in
the
back.
The
video
that
I
showed
you
at
the
beginning.
That's
exactly
what
it
was.
He
walked
up
behind
her
as
she
was
speaking
to
other
officers.
M
So
over
six
years,
I've
been
between
a
supervisor
and
a
manager
for
the
police
department
investigating
use
of
force
anytime.
Any
of
my
officers
deploy
the
taser
so
bear
with
me.
Please
officer
uses
a
taser
takes
someone
into
custody.
Paramedics
are
immediately
called
to
the
scene.
A
supervisor
immediately
goes
to
the
scene.
Paramedics
treat
the
individual
at
the
scene.
M
Supervisor
immediately
looks
for
any
and
all
witnesses
to
interview
looks
for
surveillance,
cameras,
traffic
cameras,
body,
worn
cameras,
in-car
cameras,
711
cameras,
you
name
it
any,
and
every
angle
that
that
supervisor
can
get
to
observe
exactly
what
occurred
happens.
All
the
police
officers
involved
write
their
independent
police
reports
of
what
they
saw,
what
they
heard,
even
if
they
they're
not
the
ones
that
deploy
the
taser
app
six
officers
there.
Five
of
them
saw
one
deploy
it.
M
So
at
the
scene,
paramedics
will
treat
the
person
who
is
struck
by
the
taser
if
they
feel
that
transport
by
medical
personnel
is
required,
officers
will
follow
the
subject
and
paramedics
to
the
hospital
if
their
vitals
appear
to
be
okay
and
the
medical
personnel
determine
that
medical
transport
is
not
needed,
then
officers
will
automatically
take
them
to
the
nearest
medical
facility.
Typically
at
St
Joseph's
we
take
them.
There
make
sure
that
a
doctor
sees
them
and
evaluates
them
at
the
hospital
and
then
they
bring
them
to
the
station
for
booking.
M
So
once
all
the
police
reports
are
written,
a
supervisor
then
again
reviews
all
the
video
footage.
I
explain
witness
statements,
they
interview
the
subject
to
get
their
side
of
the
story
of
what
happened
to
them
and
then
that
supervisor
writes
their
follow-up
report
after
they've
accumulated
all
the
police
reports,
the
911
recordings,
the
body
worn
camera
footage
reveal
and
so
on.
M
Once
my
sergeants
write
their
report,
then
that
report
comes
to
me
as
the
Watch
Commander
I
received
that
report
and
I
review
everything
from
the
top
bottom
bottom
up.
I
review
all
the
body
worn
camera
footage
everything
that
the
sergeant
did:
I
redo
all
that
again,
I
review
traffic,
camera
footage,
anchor
camera
footage,
read
the
reports
involving
Witnesses
and
the
police
officers,
and
my
job
is
to
make
sure
that
as
I
read
all
this,
it
all
makes
sense.
M
There's
no
discrepancies
and
it
all
reads:
well
it
matches
up
with
any
and
all
footage
that
we
have
I.
Also
do
my
separate
Watch
Commander
interview
of
the
individual
when
they're
in
our
jail,
so
a
supervisor
will
speak
to
them.
Then
I
will
do
my
own
administrative
interview
as
well.
Once
things
have
settled,
they've
been
taken
to
a
hospital
they've
been
brought
to
the
police
department.
They've
been
booked,
I,
usually
wait
a
couple
hours
just
because
I
want
everything
to
settled
down
and
then
I
go
down
there
and
I.
M
M
So
that's
pretty
much
the
investigation
all
the
way
up
to
a
Watch
Commander,
as
mentioned
earlier,
that
what
we
have
is
a
critical
incident
review
board
that
involves
the
chief
of
police,
our
Command
Staff.
All
of
our
captains,
members
of
our
training
Cadre,
can
be
there
as
well
and
then
again,
there's
an
entire
review
of
that
entire
packet
that
I
just
described
and
they
make
the
final
determination
was
that
use
of
taser
within
Department
policy
within
state
law
within
federal
law,
and
then
on
top
of
all
that,
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
better?
M
What
I
call
best
practice
is
carrying
the
taser
on
the
opposite
side,
making
sure
it's
a
different
color.
It
could
be
something
as
simple
as
that,
but
whatever
it
is
that
we
can
do
better
beyond
what
the
laws
require
us
to
do
so,
once
that
happens,
and
they
convene
and
they
come
up
with
their
determination
and
their
decision,
then
that
information
again
is
forwarded
to
me
and
then
I
individually
sit
down
with
the
involved
officers.
M
So
beyond
that
we
have
our
Audits
and
inspections
unit
and
what
they
do
is
this
taser
device
has
a
battery.
So
once
the
taser
is
utilized,
we
instruct
our
officers
to
dock
in
all
the
information
from
this
taser
device
of
when
it
was
used.
What
time
it
was
used,
how
many
seconds
it
was
used
for
how
many
times
was
the
trigger
pulled.
M
All
that
is
a
compiled
report
that
I
get
from
my
sergeants,
because
as
soon
as
this
is
docked,
they
can
go
into
the
computer
system
and
look
at
all
that
that's
another
thing,
I
didn't
mention
earlier
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
a
lot
is
making
sure
all
that
matches
up
when
when
my
supervisor
goes
out
there
and
the
officer
says
I
tased
them
one
time
for
five
seconds
and
we
take
them
in
handcuffs.
That's
what
this
is
going
to
say
five
seconds
taken
into
handcuffs
once
so
again,
going
back
to
Audits
and
inspections.
M
What
they
do
is
they'll
pull
a
use
of
force
reports
randomly
including
taser
deployments,
and
they
will
double
check
that,
on
an
annual
basis,
they'll
grab
a
couple
and
make
sure
what
they're
finding
matches
what
the
police
report
stated
matches.
What
the
use
of
force
investigation
stated,
including
the
sergeant,
including
what
I
found
as
well.
So
that's
just
another
layer
of
checks
and
balance.
M
If
you
will
finally
beyond
all
that
its
office
of
independent
review,
so
what
they
do
is
they
randomly
select
all
types
of
use
of
force,
for
example,
anytime,
a
supervisor's
involved
in
use
of
force
they're
going
to
investigate
those,
but
beyond
that
they
randomly
select.
We
don't
have
a
say
over
that
at
all,
for
example,
for
20
and
22
of
the
use
of
forces
that
they
selected
a
court
of
them
involve
a
taser.
So
25
percent
of
the
use
of
forces
involve
a
taser
and
they're
going
to
go
through
the
entire
process.
M
I
already
went
over
the
information
as
far
as
the
transport
to
the
hospital
and
all
that
stuff
that
was
kind
of
covered
under
309.6,
but
we
do
have
a
separate
section
specifically
stating
the
subject.
Transport
is
not
done
by
the
officers
involved
in
the
taser
deployment.
A
supervisor
shall
respond
to
the
scene
and
then
all
treatment
documented
by
the
officers
and
the
sergeant
as
far
as
paramedics,
their
names,
the
rescue
ambulance,
number,
the
PA
or
doctor
that
treated
this
individual.
All
that
will
be
in
the
police
reports
as
well.
M
So
as
far
as
training
goes
again,
I
mentioned
it
early
on.
We
might
everyone
must
complete
a
departmental,
approved
training
to
carry
the
taser
again
includes
the
written
exam,
the
Practical
exam,
and
then
we
have
the
annual
proficiency
training,
which
is
online.
We
do
that
online
and
then
we
also
go
up
to
the
range.
M
So
it's
a
four
hour
Block
video
that
every
officer
has
to
watch
every
year
and
then
beyond
that
we
have
to
go
up
to
the
range
with
the
range
Master
puts
you
through
scenarios
again
deploy,
don't
deploy
right,
and
you
have
to
show
proficiency
that
you
know
when
you
can
deploy
taser
when
you
cannot-
and
you
have
to
also
exhibit
to
them-
that
you
could
properly
remove
the
probes
from
an
individual
again
from
areas
that
are
not
sensitive
areas.
Only.
M
Here
is
another
quick
video.
This
one
here
is
an
individual
who's
in
custody
at
a
correctional
facility,
I'm
a
correctional
facility
I'm,
not
sure
what
state
that
that's
in,
but
he's
standing
there
with
clench
fists.
They
keep
on
giving
him
orders
to
submit
to
put
his
hands
behind
his
back
to
be
taken
into
custody
and
he's
refusing
to
do
so.
J
N
J
A
M
M
This
video
here
again,
I
can't
speak
for
another
department,
but
what
I'm
going
to
tell
you
is
if
that
was
an
incident
in
Burbank,
where
this
individual
is
not
suddenly
running
into
traffic
Lanes
or
he's
not
aggressing
against
officers.
My
expectation
is
that
my
officers
are
going
to
ask
for
any
CNT
trained
officer
to
go
out
there
right
again
time
allowing
our
mental
health
Team
right,
they're
there,
four
or
five
days
a
week
to
go
out
there.
That
would
absolutely
be
my
expectation
for
my
officers
in
that
particular
situation.
M
If
he's
not
aggressing
on
officers
he's
not
trying
to
harm
anybody
else
and
he's
just
standing
there
with
clenched
fists,
my
expectation
is
that's.
What's
going
to
happen,
is
that
we're
going
to
call
everyone
and
anyone
that
we
know
that
may
be
able
to
help
this
individual
before
we
have
to
escalate
it
to
that
level?
M
M
Nine
of
those
12
were
calls
for
service.
Three
of
them
were
where
an
officer
either
made
a
traffic,
stop
conduct
contacted
an
individual,
a
pedestrian
or
so
on.
So
nine
of
them
is
where
individuals
call
us
and
say
hey.
We
have
an
individual
acting
erratic.
You
know
my
husband
just
hit
me
something
like
that,
so
three
of
them
are
officer
initiated
of
those
three
two
of
them
were
from
the
same
incident.
M
So
really,
if
you
break
it
down,
it's
too
observations
by
officers,
the
one
where
there's
two
deployments
an
officer
was
in
the
area
of
Clybourne
and
Victory
and
outside
of
our
city
right
outside
of
our
city.
There's
a
hall,
a
party
hall,
a
wedding
hall
officer,
came
across
multiple
individuals
who
were
intoxicated
and
fighting,
refusing
to
obey
his
orders
and
commands
to
stop
additional
officers
showed
up,
and
in
that
instance,
two
individuals
were
tased
and
taken
into
custody.
M
Several
others
were
taken
into
custody,
but
two
would
not
stop
fighting
and
so
to
protect
the
other
individuals
that
were
they
were
involved
with
to
also
protect
the
safety
of
the
officers.
Two
individuals
were
tased
out
of
that
incident.
So
really
it's
nine
and
two,
every
single
one
of
our
taser
use
of
forces
for
2022
were
all
deemed
to
be
in
policy
again.
I
went
over
that
arduous
robust
process
that
we
go
through
and
curb
determined
that
every
single
one
of
our
use
of
force
involving
the
taser
were
in
policy.
M
M
No
I
mentioned
that
earlier
I
mentioned
that
earlier
yeah,
so
I
just
doing
this
just
doing
this
to
someone
and
saying
hey,
do
me
a
favor
turn
around
and
put
your
hands
behind
your
back
50
of
those
we
had
so
total
of
62
of
pulling
it
out
and
pointing
at
someone
50
of
those
times
just
doing
that
de-escalate
the
situation
and
the
individual
submitted.
We
took
them
into
custody
with
no
use
of
force
by
the
way,
there's
also
a
documentation.
M
What's
not
on
here
is
almost
9
000
citations
were
issued
so
I
understand
that
could
be
a
situation
where
someone's
upset
because
they
had
a
ticket
and
and
the
thought
is
well
that's
going
to
be
the
person.
That's
going
to
get
out
I
want
to
fight
the
officer
because
they
don't
want
that
tail
lamp
ticket
or
they
don't
want
that
seatbelt
ticket.
So
9
000
citations
issued
82
251
contacts,
12
taser
deployments,
that
is
point
zero,
zero
zero
one.
B
G
G
M
Absolutely
so
an
example
I
gave
is
one
of
the
times
where
we
don't
use.
It
is
risk,
fall
right
depending
on
where
the
individual
is
typically,
if
an
individual
is
standing
in
place.
Based
on
my
training
experience
of
reviewing
these
use
of
forces
again
in
2022,
we
had
no
hospitalizations
that
has
not
occurred.
Is
there
a
potential
for
it
to
happen
absolutely,
but
we
need
to
re.
M
You
know
what
outweighs
what
should
we
allow
this
to
potentially
turn
into
use
of
deadly
force
situation
or
bring
it
to
a
close
with
the
use
of
taser,
with
the
slight
chance
of
something
like
that
occurring,
as
you
explained,
but
again
here
in
Burbank.
That
has
not
occurred
at
least
not
last
year,
based
on
my
my
research
I.
G
Appreciate
that,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
have
just
one
other
question
in
regards
to
like
body
mass
indexes
like.
Is
there
a
different
effect
depending
on
the
size
of
the
individual,
and
is
that
put
in
account
as
well
and
have
you
guys
seen
situations
where
it's
not
as
effective
just
kind
of
curious
about
that
yeah.
M
We
will
take
them
to
the
hospital
and
they
will
refuse
all
medical
treatment
and
say,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
them.
They
will
not
be
cooperative
with
hospital
staff,
they
will
do
their
best
and
then
document
or
police
report
that
we
did
everything
we
could
to
get
them
the
medical
treatment
they
refused
in
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
getting
older
I
already
forgot.
Your
second
question
second.
M
If
you
have
higher
fat
volume,
if
you
will,
it
won't
work
as
well:
clothing,
sweaters,
sweatshirts
jackets,
a
lot
of
times
when
the
the
probes
will
not
penetrate
so
sometimes
a
second
deployment
is
needed
because
the
first
deployment
didn't
work
and
sometimes
the
second
doesn't
work
and
unfortunately
there's
times
where
the
officers
have
to
get
physically
involved
right,
risking,
you
know,
obviously
injury
to
themselves
and
potentially
more
into
more
injury
to
the
subject
that
they're
involved
with
so
yeah.
So
that's
pretty
much
how
it
is
yeah.
Thank.
E
M
So
axon
and
taser
are
one
company.
Now
some
people
may
know
that
some
don't
so
Taser
International
and
axon
have
kind
of
merged
together.
So
that
signal
activation
is
one
of
the
tools
which
I
think
is
a
great
tool.
Ever
since
the
two
the
two
companies
have
merged
together.
Once
my
Taser
or
once
my
body
worn
camera
is
activated.
Unless
the
battery
goes
out,
it
can
go
on
for
eight
or
nine
hours
until
I
turn
it
off.
So
a
reactivation
or
unholstering
of
a
firearm
will
not
trigger
it.
To
turn
off.
M
M
So
our
policy
states,
the
elderly
and
juveniles
should
not
be
tased,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
a
juvenile,
a
17
year
old
or
16
year
old
will
not
be
tased.
But
knowing
that
they're
juveniles,
we
will
do
everything
that
we
can't
absolutely
avoid
it
as
we
would
with
anybody.
But
it
depends
on
the
circumstances
that
are
presented
to
the
officer.
A
17
year
old
could
be
wielding
a
knife
just
as
easily
as
a
18
year
old
or
a
firearm.
Unfortunately,
so
our
policy
states.
We
should
not
to
take
that
into
consideration.
F
M
So
it's
called
again
single
Activation,
so
so
this
battery
here
speaks
with
my
tape
with
my
body,
worn
camera.
So
right
now,
my
body
warrant
camera
is
buffering.
It's
not
recording
right
now.
30
second
buffering
constantly
the
moment.
I
turn
this
on
so
I'm,
not
deploying
it
I'm,
just
turning
it
on
so
I
turn
it
on
I.
Tell
you
hey.
Do
me
a
favor
put
your
hands
behind
your
back.
Put
your
hands
behind
your
back.
All
this
is
being
recorded
now,
but
I
have
a
shot
where
I
haven't
deployed
the
teaser.
M
L
Thank
you
for
the
the
presentation
as
well
a
lot
of
detail
and
obviously
a
lot
of
thought
you
know
put
into
it
and
a
lot
of
effort
and
energy
to
you
know
to
be
accountable
to
the
policies
that
were
created.
I
just
had
a
question
kind
of
on
the
you
know
what
happens
after
right.
So
is
it
the
is
it
in
the
policy
that
when
a
taser
is
deployed
that
that
person,
then
is
always,
you
know,
is
always
then
handcuffed
and
also
always
then
kind
of
booked
and
arrested
or
are
there?
L
Is
there
discretion,
depending
on
the
situation
like
if
someone
is
having
a
mental
health
crisis,
for
example,
you
know
they're
danger
to
themselves
for
others
that,
unfortunately
they're
tased
and
then
you
know
they
get
the
medical
care
that
everyone
gets.
Is
there
another
kind
of
route
that
a
person
can,
you
know,
be
brought
along
where
you
know
they're
connected
with?
Maybe
you
know
back
connect
back
with
the
mhat
team
or
connected
to
services
in
some
other
way
or
yeah,
just
wondering
how
specific
the
policy
is
on
what
happens
after
sure,.
M
No,
absolutely
you
know,
someone
suffering
from
a
mental
health
crisis
is
not
a
crime.
We
all
know
that
and
it's
unfortunate,
but
there's
a
lot
of
individuals
that
are
suffering
from
that.
So
if
it's
again
an
example
of
you
know,
we
get
a
Call
of
someone
in
the
middle
of
the
street
and
you
know
come
check
on
this.
Individual
officers
get
there
and
they
haven't
committed
any
crime.
They've
done
nothing
else,
but
they're
refusing
to
come
to
the
officer
now
they're
trying
to
run
across
an
intersection
officers
are
thinking.
Well,
that's
not
safe.
For
them.
M
It's
not
safe.
For
me
to
be
in
the
middle
of
the
street,
they
deploy
the
taser.
They
will
get
all
the
same
treatment,
calling
paramedics
to
the
scene,
taking
them
to
the
hospital.
But
someone
like
that
needs
mental
health
help
that
person
is
not
committing
crimes
so
going
to
jail,
is
not
going
to
fix
a
problem
for
that
person.
So
if
our
met
team
is
on
duty,
they
would
be
called
to
the
scene
to
assist.
M
We
would
get
them
all
the
same,
Medical
Treatments
and
then
determine
what
facility
they
need
to
go
to
to
address
their
mental
health
issues
that
they're
going
through
at
the
time.
If
our
met
team
is
not
there,
a
follow-up
is
still
done
with
the
officers
involved
to
email
them,
provide
the
report
number.
So
then
they
can
do
their
follow-up
and
provide
additional
services
to
them
if
necessary,
but
absolutely
yeah.
We
do
do
that.
L
Okay
and
second
question:
this
is
a
little
bit
more
General.
You
mentioned
the
sort
of
policy
around
the
changeover
of
officers,
so
the
officers
involved
with
that,
the
you
know,
deployment
of
the
taser,
then
kind
of
step
back
and
a
new
set
of
officers
come
in
is
that
true
for
all
use
of
force,
instance
or
just
relating
to
the
taser.
M
Yes,
yeah,
that's
a
very
good
question.
Thank
you.
I
should
have
clarified
that
that's
for
any
and
all
use
of
force.
We
have
categories
type,
1
type,
2
type,
3
use
of
force
for
any
of
those.
The
officers
involved
once
individual
is
handcuffed
and
we
have
sufficient
additional
units
there,
which
in
Burbank
typically
is
just
a
few
seconds,
those
three
or
four
officers
and
it's
not
I,
deploy
the
taser
two
other
officers
handcuffed
the
individual.
M
None
of
us
us
three
are
doing
it
because
there's
still
a
part
that
handcuffing
wasn't
necessarily
use
of
force,
but
because
we
did
use
force
and
they
went
Hands-On,
none
of
the
three
are
going
to
be
doing
it.
Ideally,
if
I
only
have,
let's
just
say,
five
officers
available
in
the
city.
Definitely
the
officer
who
deployed
the
taser,
no
I
might
use
one
of
the
two.
But
ideally
we
don't
want
to
use
any
officers
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
involved
in
the
use
of
force
and
the
transport
to
the
hospital
and
the
booking
process.
B
Sure
so,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
it
we
wish.
We
didn't
have
to
have
incidents
like
these,
but
we
do
and
I'm
glad
that
we're
prepared
for
them
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
it's
an
honor
to
be
here
with
everyone.
We
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
city
council
on
as
as
Commissioners,
but
I
also
have
the
same
reactions
that
the
public
has
as
well
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
I'd
ask
for
this
agenda
item.
We
there
was.
B
So
a
couple
couple
of
questions
that
come
up,
one
is
I
remember.
In
the
oir
report
there
was
discussion
around
Can.
There
was
discussion
and
there
was
some
contention
around
use
of
language
during
critical
incidents.
Folks
may
remember
that
and
and
the
video
the
first
video
that
was
shown,
the
first
video
was
not
was
wasn't
in
the
City
of
Burbank.
Was
it
the
one.
B
So
the
first
video
is
very
common
professional.
Actually,
both
of
them
were
I'm
wondering
how
much
training
for
in
Burbank
for
the
Burbank,
Police,
Department
addresses,
officer,
management
of
stress
and
aggression.
You
talked
about
post-incident
that
the
officers
involved
or
removed
from,
but
in
the
training
process
itself
the
things
that
take
place
at
the
at
the
at
the
training
facility.
B
B
M
You
know
you
mentioned
some
other
cities
or
incidents.
I
I
cannot
comment
on
any
of
that,
but
comportment
and
watching
our
language
is
a
big
deal
for
the
chief
all
the
way
down
to
the
line
level
supervisors.
This
is
something
that
we
typically
mention
in
roll
call
pretty
regularly
and
a
lot
of
times
to
be
honest
with
you.
It
has
to
do
with
what
we
see.
M
We
watch
the
same
videos
that
you
do
so
if
I
see
a
video
where,
again
speaking
in
generalities,
I,
don't
agree
with
how
something
was
handled
by
another
law
enforcement
agency.
You
better
believe
that
I'm
sending
emails
to
my
sergeants
to
make
sure
that
in
the
next
roll
call
that
is
brought
up,
language
is
a
big
deal.
Professional
language
I
always
discuss
it
with
the
officers.
The
sergeants
do
department-wide,
for
example,
right
now
we're
going
through
tactical
communication
training
all
department
members
have
to
go
through
this
training.
M
It's
a
four-hour
Block,
it's
a
post-certified
post-approved,
and
so
we
do
have
annual
training
involving
tactical
language.
We
do
roll
call,
training,
I
know
not
only
me,
but
the
other
three
watch
commanders
do
as
well,
and
a
lot
of
it
is
learning
just
watching
what
happens
elsewhere.
Unfortunately,
and
then
how
can
we
do
things
better
here?
I
I
Priority
you
got
to
remember
that
we're
managing
people
in
in
the
midst
of
trying
to
manage
a
difficult
suspect
and
who
is
not
responsive
to
verbal
commands.
It's
it's
going
to
happen
and,
and
we
have
improved
as
an
organization.
In
fact,
when
kept
creme
is
down
on
patrol,
he
just
said
tell
the
subject:
stop
resisting
stop
resisting.
I
So
if
you
go
back
five
years
ago
to
the
last
year,
probably
80
percent
of
our
folks
in
managing
a
combative,
suspect
it'll
be
stop
resistance,
stop
resisting,
but
but
if
bombs
will
fly
periodically
and
during
the
debrief
back
to
them,
we
will
talk
about
comportment.
We
have
one
officer
who
is
challenged
with
that,
so
we're
sending
them
to
special
training.
I
It's
it
just
doesn't
bode
well
for
the
organization,
if
there's
a
trial
associated
with
the
arrest-
and
you
put
it
on
the
big
screen
it,
it
doesn't
look
professional
but
I
also
understand
they're
humans
and
and
it's
going
to
happen
and
many
of
these
officers
have
shown
a
lot
of
self-control
self-discipline
with
folks
that
I
probably
would
have
popped
popped,
a
Corp.
In
fact.
We
also
commend
folks.
I
We've
had
a
couple
incidents
where,
where
we
were
getting
exhausted,
watching
the
video
and
their
their
professional
comportment
during
that
managing
that
incident
was
exceptional,
so
we
commend
them
so
again.
We're
managing
people
and
I
suspect
that
in
your
workplace
that
you
could
be
walking
down
the
hall
and
someone
will
have
a
moment
and
it
happens
in
our
organization,
but
we
we
have
improved
oar
is
hypersensitive.
This
organization
is
hypersensitive,
so
we're
we
have
made
significant
gains.
Thank.
E
B
In
okay,
okay,
one
one
last
question
kind
of
getting
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit,
but
bear
with
me
309.5.
That
was
it's
specifically
related
to
deployment
and
the
amount
of
I
think
it's
the
amount
of
time
that
the
taser
is
actually
deployed,
and
you
made
mention
that
that
there's
a
a
redeployment
may
happen
later
on
is
there?
Is
there?
Is
there
a
specific
amount
of
timers
or
a
minimum
amount
of
time
that
you
want
officers
to
let
pass
before
you
redeploy
or
re-reactivate
the
taser.
M
That's
very
difficult
to
say
depends
on
the
danger
to
the
officer
danger
to
an
innocent
victim.
Okay,
right,
that's
going
to
outweigh
that
wait
time.
We
want
to
take
that
person
into
custody
as
quickly
as
possible.
You
know
I
think
we've
all
seen
situations
where
that's
not
happening
and
it's
escalating
it's
getting
worse
and
worse,
so
the
quicker
we
can
get
handcuffs
on
someone
and
get
them
the
medical
treatment
that
they
need.
That's
what
we'd
like
to
do
and
keeping
you
know
other
people
safe
in
the
process
as
well
great.
B
D
No
I
think
I've
what
you
said
resonated
with
me
honestly,
just
I
I
think
the
the
first
video
of
the
woman
being
tased
kind
of
sat
with
me
and
I
think
I'm
still
kind
of
processing
that
I
guess.
My
reaction
to
that
is
the
two
videos
that
were
shown
tonight
were
not
Burbank,
no
videos
but
more
about,
like
the
motivations
behind
showing
them
and
kind
of
your
thoughts
as
it
relates
to
the
first
video
are
there
are
there
kind
of
processes
that
you
would
have
seen
preferred
to
be
done
differently?
M
Yeah
so
again,
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
scenario.
The
purpose
of
me
showing
that
video
was
a
situation
that
could
quickly
become
a
deadly
force
situation.
The
taser
potentially
prevented
that
from
happening.
That
was
the
the
strict
purpose
behind
that
video.
Neither
one
of
those
are
Burbank
videos,
but
again,
if
someone
is
standing
in
the
middle
of
the
street
and
not
aggressing
on
anyone
and
if
I
have
time,
if
we
have
time
to
do
more,
then
we
will
try
to
do
more
again.
M
My
fear
in
that
situation
is
as
I'm
waiting
for
a
CNT
member
to
show
up
or
met
to
show
up
now.
Suddenly
this
person
charges
out
an
officer
with
that
knife,
and
now
an
officer
has
to
make
a
decision
on
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
use
deadly
force.
So
someone
stand
there
with
clenched
fists,
maybe
a
little
more
time
to
buy
someone
with
a
knife
who
can
quickly
change
their
mind
and
I'm,
going
to
give
you
a
real
life
situation
of
ours.
M
Here
officers
went
to
a
call
with
of
a
245
assault
with
deadly
weapon
with
a
knife
that
occurred
near
the
Warner,
Brothers
Studios
and
officers.
Respond
to
that
call
victim
themselves.
Calls
us
and
says
this
guy
pulled
a
knife
on
me
and
said:
he's
going
to
stab
me
with
a
knife,
so
officers
get
to
that
call.
This
individual
standing
in
the
middle
of
Olive
Avenue
the
officers
get
out
of
their
car,
really
good
tactics.
They
stay
behind
cover
because
he's
got
a
knife
in
his
hand
and
he
starts
aggressing
toward
the
officers.
M
The
officers
don't
leave
covered.
The
officer
stayed
behind
the
police
cars.
Give
this
person
commands
to
stop
get
on
the
ground.
Thankfully,
for
the
situation
he
did
not
continue
to
aggress
on
the
officers
he
turned
around
and
started
running
toward
where
the
victim
was.
We
don't
have
time
to
call
CNT
and
met
at
that
time.
M
He
wasn't
shot.
He
was
tased.
He
fell
to
the
ground,
they
Place
him
in
handcuffs,
went
to
the
hospital,
went
through
the
whole
process.
So
it's
a
case-by-case
scenario
right.
There's
no
two
set
scenarios
that
are
going
to
be
the
same
ever
right,
but
we
need
to
think
about
that
individual
safety
and
innocent
victim
safety
and
then
my
officer
safety
as
well.
I
That
answers
so,
commissioner,
can
I
follow
up.
It's
unpleasant
to
see.
Force
used,
it's
unsettling
and
you
have
someone
that
is
armed
with
a
knife.
We
could
have
cherry-picked
another
video
for
you,
where
you,
oh,
that
that
that's
nice,
but
this
this
female,
don't
know
the
circumstances
of
how
they
got
out
there,
but
very
demonstrable
with
the
knife
threatening.
Don't
know
if
there
was
history
with
her,
but
the
use
of
the
taser,
whether
it's
a
female
or
otherwise,
is
better
than
the
use
of
deadly
force.
I
So
we
don't
have
the
storyboard
as
far
as
crime
Affinity
that
was
associated
with
that
that
incident,
but
it
would
what
it
speaks
to
and
I'll
go
back
to
when
Chief
Bratton
was
our
former
Chief
and
he
was
at
a
community
forum
and
they
were
upset
about
a
use
of
force
and
he
just
says:
look
at
Force
using
Force
officers
using
force.
It
never
is
a
it
it.
It's
tough
to
watch
and
that's
why
we
try
to
be
as
quick
and
efficient
in
gain
control
of
the
individual.
I
D
G
M
Not
that
I'm,
aware
of
when
I
went
through
the
training,
I
can
speak
for
myself.
I
was
tased
the
full
five
seconds
and
as
soon
as
the
taser
device
after
the
five
seconds
was
over
and
it
stopped
as
if
nothing
had
happened
to
me
at
least
as
far
as
heart
rate
breathing.
Anything
like
that.
Nothing
I
appreciate
it
just
tightened
up.
My
body
went
down,
turned
it
off,
and
I
was
okay
for
yeah.
So
so,
when
you,
when
you
pull
the
trigger,
it
goes
for
five
seconds
and
then
it
turns
off.
M
So
it's
going
to
be
up
to
the
officer
to
press
this
Arc
button
if
he
feels
that
a
second
deployment
is
needed,
but
obviously
our
goal
again
is
while
they're
under
the
control
of
the
taser
device,
if
you
will
is
to
try
to
get
handcuffs
on
as
quickly
as
possible
end
that
situation.
So
our
second
deployment
is
not
needed
and
I
can
tell
you
here
in
Burbank.
Specifically,
a
second
deployment
is
very,
very
rare.
I
don't
have
the
percentage,
but
it's
extremely
rare
for
us
to
use
multiple
deployments
of
a
taser
on
a
single
individual.
K
I
bet
that
I
think
my
observation,
the
woman
in
the
street
was
this
75
percent
of
that
was
for
her
own
safety.
You
were
defusing
a
situation
where
she's
in
the
middle
of
the
road
so
and
I
I
would
think
in
a
lot
of
respects.
As
you
said
with
with
non-lethal,
it's
diffusing
a
situation,
it's
unfortunate,
but
it's
definitely
better
than
the
alternative.
B
Okay
with
with
that,
thank
you.
Lieutenant
brinway
really
appreciate
the
the
the
the
depth
of
the
presentation
and
really
appreciate
your
involvement
in
in
the
training
and
development
and
the
the
review
of
incidents
when
they
happen
now.
Thank
you.
So
thank
you.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
item
200g
follow-up
discussion
of
the
community
engagement
meeting
regarding
the
military
equipment,
annual
report
and
recommendations
to
council,
if
any
so
I
wanted
to
open
up.
This
is
for
the
Commissioners.
F
K
B
I've
got
one
question
that
was
actually
brought
to
my
attention:
yeah,
it
was,
is
there
it
was,
and
this
this
is
to
the
department.
Is
there
ever
a
situation
where
there's
an
offensive
use
of
the
Bearcat?
It's
it's
used
for
protective
purposes,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
ever
an
offensive
use
of
it
to
to
Ram
something
to
and
use
it
in
any
kind
of
an
aggressive
manner,
not.
I
To
Ram
someone
to
use
it
as
a
pin
in
vehicle
or
to
block
someone
in
we've
had
a
couple
incidences
where
we've
had
to
just
pin
someone
in
so
they
couldn't
leave
we've.
This
goes
back
a
handful
of
years
and
it
was
right
around
the
corner
from
the
station
where
the
vehicle
we
went
parallel
to
the
subject
vehicle
and
used
as
a
platform
to
deploy
gas.
P
I
was
gonna,
say
we
have
had
occasions
using
it
for
a
surface
of
a
high
risk
warrant,
where
we
have
used
it
to
reach
a
driveway
gate.
It's
just
open
a
driveway
gate
to
gain
access
to
a
property.
That's
has
a
10
foot
tall
fence
with
spikes
on
top
of
it,
but
mostly
it's
for
uses.
The
blocking
for
a
vehicle
would
be
probably
the
closest
thing
to
I
guess
what
you
would
term
an
offensive
use
of
it.
G
C
P
Think
we
just
basically
complied
with
what
was
what
was
directed
by
the
state
through
the
law.
Absolutely,
if
there's
additional
information
that
would
be
of
assistance
as
far
as
sure
what
the
certification
renewal
looks
like
as
far
as
the
cycle
and
the
time
period,
I
think.
That's,
that's
simple.
To
add
wonderful,.
Q
And
also
there
there's
another
law
passed
by
the
state.
Our
training
is
on
our
website,
not
not
necessarily
all
the
contents
of
the
training,
because
we
don't
want
to
share
the
the
details
of
everything,
but
as
far
as
when
we
do
training
our
certification,
recertification
training
for
those
chemical
agents
in
any
everything.
That's
that's
on
the
website.
So.
K
L
Just
two
questions
and
one
of
them
you
know
I,
know
that
you
probably
didn't
come
prepared
for
so
I'm,
just
asking
kind
of
anecdotally
more.
But
do
you
have
any
sense
of
how
you
know?
Burbank,
police
departments,
the
military
equipment,
supply
or
usage
compares
to
other
cities
of
a
similar
size,
and
you
know,
agencies
of
a
similar
size
at
all.
I
So
Glendale
Pasadena,
you
all
know,
my
daughter
works
at
Beverly
Hills
and
she
did
this
same
presentation
for
them
and
really
there
was
no
interest
and
they
had
a
similar
inventory.
But
it
still
requires
the
city
of
council
to
approve,
deny
and
so
I
would
say
it's
comparable.
It
would
be
unfair
to
compare
us
to
the
larger
agencies,
because
their
inventory
is
going
to
be
more
significant.
L
Okay
and
then
the
second
question
is
just
I
know.
This
is
the
first
report
but
and
I'm
sure
that
there
has
been.
You
know,
internal
tracking,
and
you
know
inventorying
and
all
of
that
in
years
past,
before
this,
but
just
kind
of
what
is
the
and
I
think
someone
sort
of
asked
this
question,
but
what
kind
of
is
the
process
of
evaluating
whether
to
you
know
replenish
something
if
it's
not
used
versus
replenishing
things
that
are
getting
used
or
you
know
I
understand,
there
was
a
concern.
L
You
know
maybe
that
some
things
weren't
available,
so
the
thought
was
to
increase
the
you
know
the
amount
that
is
just
kind
of
on
hand
in
case
that
situation
arises
and
just
wondering
how
that
view
has
change.
You
know,
as
at
least
for
that
particular
instance
in
2020.
You
know,
we,
thankfully
didn't
have
you
know
any
any.
You
know
violent
incidents
relating
to
demonstrations
and
things
like
that
that
may
have
happened
in
other
places
and
just
the
general
kind
of
relatively
you
know,
I
think
high
level
of
safety
we
have
in
our
city.
I
Just
want
to
know
how
that's
evaluated,
so
we
look
at
equipment
in
in
the
equipment
that
we
have
value
and
purpose,
and
is
there
other
equipment
and
or
technology
that
would
be
beneficial
to
us
in
the
community.
So
we
we
look
at
that
continually
and
again.
I.
Remember
here
is
associated
with
some
police
organization,
so
they
have
that
conversation.
I
So
what
ad481
did
was
really
formalize
the
process
as
far
as
the
annual
inventory
and
just
understand,
depending
on
how
long
you're
on
the
police
commission
that
this
time
next
year
and
the
year
after
and
the
year
after
you're
gonna
have
a
similar
conversation
and
I.
Our
presentation
and
I
suspect
that
there'll
be
new
technology.
That
will
be
beneficial.
I
mean
you
look
at
what
is
it
Boston
technology
Boston
Dynamics
with
the
that
have
the
robotics,
the
guy
that
took
my
job
at
LAPD?
I
They
just
onboarded
that
and
and
it's
been
a
game
changer
for
them
as
far
as
officer
and
Community
safety,
because
you
don't
have
humans
going
into
really
a
perilous
situations.
So
so
the
longer
you're
here
you're
going
to
see
some
really
Innovative
technology
and
so
we'll
be
having
a
discussion
about
that
technology
in
the
future.
So
where
we're
at
right
now,
I
believe
is
an
organization
that
we
are
satisfied
with
the
equipment
we
have.
I
There
will
be
an
Ask,
we
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
this
year
or
next
year
for
two
additional
40
millimeters
for
or
canine
officers,
don't
know
how
that
will
be
received,
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
get
the
funding,
but
for
now
that
would
be
the
only
ask
for
now
in
the
future.
But
long
long
answer
to
your
question
is
that
that
we
had
weekly
staff
meetings
and
we
talk
about
equipment
and
so
that
that's
an
ongoing
conversation
that
we
have
in
internally.
B
D
D
Yeah,
it's
part
of
the
question.
If
the
demonstrations
of
2020,
you
know,
activated
a
pursuit
of
additional
single-use
devices,
because
it
was
just
a
matter
of
like
trying
to
get
your
hands
on
them.
For
those
circumstances,
does
that
end?
So
that
was
three
years
ago,
so
that
elevated
inventory
would
be
reflected
in
our
current
inventory
like
did
that
serve
as.
D
P
P
P
Certain
devices
are
going
to
be
more
suitable
for
different
types
of
incident,
different
type
of
location,
and
that
we
we
recognize
that
if
we
were
to
have
to
use
them,
we
were
going
to
go
through
our
standard
inventory
very
quickly
and
not
be
able
to
manage
another
incident,
and
so
we
just
recognized.
We
had
to
have
a
larger
standing
inventory
to
be
able
to
adequately
to
adequately
protect
the
lives
and
property
of
the
citizenry
here
and.
I
I
Did
nothing
part
of
it
because
I
believe
we
were
prepared
and
and
using
the
you
know
as
the
pro
and
that
the
part
of
your
question
is,
is
if
our
population
increases?
Is
our
inventory
going
to
increase
that?
No,
that
probably
not
so
again,
where
we're
at
with
our
inventory
right
now
we're
satisfied
with
there
may
be
one
or
two
items,
but
there's
a
process
we
have
to
go
through
before
we
are
able
to
make
the
ass
so
we'll
go
through
that
process.
J
J
J
B
B
B
We
go
yeah
all
right
so
moving
on
to
item
number
three,
and
this
is
going
to
get
a
little
bit
more
complicated.
So
we
can.
We
can
resolve
all
this
before
our
City
attorney
gets
back,
so
we're
gonna
go
for
it.
This
is
a
discussion
in
action
if
any
to
turn
The,
Pedestrian
safety
and
and
data
and
statistics
standing
subcommittees
into
ad
hoc
subcommittees,
and
this
is
actually
this.
B
It
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated
I
have
had
some
conversations
with
with
our
our
attorney
Miss,
oh
outside
of
outside
of
the
last
meeting
in
in
preparation
for
this
and
there's
been.
We
met
both
face
to
face,
and
we
had
some
additional
conversations,
the
issue
that
we're
facing-
and
this
gets
really
complicated-
and
this
doesn't
just
affect
us-
this
affects
all
all
all
commissions
and
Boards
within
the
city.
B
The
question
is
whether
we
went
through
a
process
last
month,
including
the
training
talking
about
establishing
ad
hoc
committees
to
have
conversations
outside
of
the
regular
commission
meetings,
and
so
the
the
problem
and
miso
is
not
in
the
room
right
now,
but
she
could
probably
explain
it
better
than
me.
There
are
concerns
about
how
we
establish
ad
hoc
committees
and
work
groups
outside
of
the
outside
of
the
commission,
and
it
may
be
a
potential
Brown
act
violation
so
that
that
kind.
B
The
concern
is:
is
that
if
we
formalize
the
creation
of
a
work
group
outside
of
a
commission
meeting
that
we
there
there
may
be
work,
that
is
done
that
the
public
needs
to
have
the
opportunity
to
be
involved
in
and
unless
we're
actually
establishing,
when
those
ad
hoc
committees
would
meet.
How
often
how
people
get
invited,
where
it's
going
to
be,
what
the
record
of
that
meeting
is.
It
can
get
kind
of
complicated.
B
So
this
is
this
is
the
moment
where
it
would
probably
be
helpful
to
have
Miss
o
in
the
room,
but
but
we're
going
to
roll
without
her.
For
a
moment,
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
recommendation
I'd
like
to
open
up
for
a
discussion
for
all
of
us.
We
know
that
we
cannot
that
more
than
three
of
us
cannot
gather
at
any
one
location
or
place
to
have
any
conversations
in
the
training
last
month,
which
was
pretty
extensive.
B
We
had
talked
about
things
like,
for
example,
not
having
a
a
daisy
chain,
type
of
a
conversation
via
email
in
person,
so
I
couldn't
start
a
conversation
with
Paul.
Who
would
then
talk
to
Layla?
Who
would
then
talk
to
Eva?
Who
would
then
talk
to
romick,
Mike
and
Mike
and
then
come
back
to
me,
because
that
would
be
a
violation
of
the
brown
Act,
but
we
know
that
we
can
only
have
a
maximum
of
three
people
engaged
in
the
conversation
at
any
given
time.
B
So
the
here's,
what
I'm
wondering
and
it
looks
like
Gene-
is
coming
back
into
the
room
as
well.
So
this
will
be
helpful.
We're
talking
about
the
establishment
of
of
ad
hoc
committees
and
and
the
Chen
I
was
mentioning
some
of
the
things
that
you
and
I
had
spoken
about,
and
the
problem
with
creating
an
ad
hoc
committee
and
that
committee
meeting
outside
of
a
commission
meeting
might
actually
in
itself
become
a
brown
act
violation.
B
C
Sure
so,
just
just
so
you
guys
know
where
I'm
I've
been.
We
were
apparently
conducting
an
illegal
meeting
for
a
little
bit,
because
all
these
outer
doors
are
locked,
which
means
the
public
can't
come
in.
So
that's
what
I've
been
doing
so
we're
addressing
that,
and
just
for
the
record,
you
can
see
that
as
well.
C
It
became
a
conversation
between
different
members
of
the
commission
about
whether
or
not
it
was
appropriate
or
desirable
to
put
that
item
on
the
next
meeting
or
a
future
agenda
meeting.
It
went
beyond
brief
common.
So,
if
you
think
about
it,
our
agenda
item
is
agendas
as
future
agenda
items
right
for
a
future
meeting,
something
to
that
extent
we
don't
specifically
State
on
our
agenda
what
those
future
items
are
going
to
be.
C
So
if
you
are
sitting
at
home-
and
all
you
see
is
the
agenda,
all
you
would
see
is
that
there's
going
to
be
a
section
to
talk
about
potential
subject
matter
for
future
meetings,
but
you
don't
have
any
actual
idea
what
those
subjects
might
be
right
because
all
it
says
is
agenda
items.
It
doesn't
say
discussion
about
pedestrian
safety
for
schools
and
police
resource
officers.
It
does
not
specifically
spell
out
what
those
topics
of
discussion
will
be
for
future
meetings.
C
So
what
the
brown
act
says
is
you
can
have
a
brief
statement
so
on
when
we
get
to
that
section,
you
could
say:
I
want
to
have
a
future
discussion
about
school
resource
officer.
Very
quick,
very
brief,
not
substantive
you're.
Just
talking
about
a
broad
future
agenda
item
and
that's
acceptable.
You
guys
are
supposed
to
then
vote
Yes
No.
We
want
to
hear
this
or
we
don't
want
to
hear
this.
C
What
happened
last
month,
however,
was
that
I
think
there
was
a
point
of
clarification
and
then
it
became
an
entire
discussion
about
that
actual
agenda
item
that
was
not
agendized
for
that
meeting
and
that's
the
problem
so
moving
forward.
How
do
we
cure
this?
How
do
we
not
violate
and
again
these
are
unintentional
violations,
except
for
the
fact
that
I
had
just
given
you
brown
act,
training
right
and
so
there's?
Arguably
a
willfulness.
If
you
continue
to
have
the
discussion
when
the
chair
says
stop,
this
is
going
too
far.
The
discussion
is
too
long.
C
You
need
to
stop.
The
purpose
of
the
chair
is
to
conduct
the
meeting.
So
when
the
chair
says
this
is
too
much
discussion.
This
has
gone
beyond
what
we
can
say.
This
is
in
violation
of
the
brown
act.
If
you
continue
to
have
the
discourse,
then
you
are
committing
a
willful
violation
of
the
brown
act
and
that
again
is
a
personal
violation
to
you
so
moving
forward
when
we
get
to
that
I
mean
quite
frankly,
this
is
probably
a
brown
AG
violation.
C
The
fact
that
I'm
telling
you
this
much
right
when
we
get
to
that
item
the
way
should
be
conducted
is,
if
you
have
an
item
you
want
to
suggest,
suggest
your
item,
I
would
say
to
be
absolutely
safe,
that
we
do
not
again
inadvertently
violate
the
brown
act.
There
should
be
no
discussion.
You
set
you,
you
state
your
item,
you
take
a
vote.
If
you
want,
if
it
passes
it's
on
the
agenda
for
a
future
meeting,
if
it
doesn't,
then
it
doesn't.
B
And
I
think
this
is
a
moment
where
I
have
to
interrupt
to
get
us
back
on
that
for
agenda
item
three.
It's
the
the
the
this
is
the
agenda
item.
It's
discussion
and
actions
if
any
to
The,
Pedestrian
safety
and
data
and
statistics
standing
subcommittees
into
ad
hoc
subcommittees.
So
what
I
had
done
before,
while
you
were
out
of
the
room,
I
had
paused
it
to
focus
on
the
last
piece
and
specifically
the
ad
hoc
committees
and
the
concerns
about
establishing
ad
hoc
committees.
B
C
So,
item
number
three:
my
understanding
of
the
intention
of
that
agenda
is
those
were
the
two
sub-standing
subcommittees
that
we
did
not
address,
because
some
of
the
Commissioners
were
not
here
right.
So
tonight's
discussion
is
going
to
be
about
formulating
goals
or
my
purposes
for
those
subcommittees
that
can
be
completed
so
that
those
standing
committees
are
ad
hoc
subcommittees,
not
subject
to
the
brown
act.
So
that
should
be
the
discussion
right
now.
So.
C
C
Okay,
so
now
we're
talking
about
something
a
little
bit
different.
Thank
you.
I
think
I
understand
your
question
a
little
bit
better.
So
there
was
a
question
at
the
last
meeting
regarding
the
establishment
of
ad
hoc
subcommittees
at
the
meeting
itself
and
that
we
cannot
do
because,
for
example,
tonight's
presentation
by
regarding
the
taser
deployment,
let's
say
at
tonight's
meeting,
you
decided
Well,
let's
create
an
ad
hoc
committee
ad
hoc
subcommittee
about
taser
deployment,
because
we
don't
have
that
on
tonight's
agenda
to
create
a
subcommittee.
B
So
the
recommendation
I
was
going
to
make
is
the
whole
the
purpose
the
intent
behind
creating
these
subcommunes
was
to
try
to
get
work
done
outside
of
the
meetings
to
be
able
to
bring
them
back
to
the
meetings
to
help
to
help
move
the
the
work
of
the
commission
forward.
It
seems
like
there's
a
problem
with
establishing
ad
hoc
subcommittee,
so
I
was
going
to
make
a
recommendation
and
see
if
this
fits.
B
To
for
to
do
two
different
things
to
be
able
to
report
out
so
under
item
C
of
the
agenda,
where
Commissioners
can
report
out
if
it
was
something
if
a
brief
comment
was
brought
up
there,
that
an
issue-
let's
say
use
of
tasers
was
discussed
by
three
or
fewer
commission
members
outside
of
the
meeting,
they
brought
it
to
the
meeting
and
said
hey.
We
talked
about
take
use
of
tasers
enough
left
it
at
that.
B
So
it's
just
a
comment
later
on
in
that
meeting,
would
it
be
appropriate,
then,
to
move
forward
to
then
agendize
a
discussion
of
use
of
tasers
for
a
future
meeting,
I'm
wondering
if
that
would
meet
the?
If,
if
that
would
meet
the
the
function
of
what
we've
been
talking
about
with
an
ad
hoc
committee,
so
in
essence
we
wouldn't
actually
establish
ad
hoc
committees.
We
would
be
making
sure
that
we're
not
violating
the
brown
act
outside
of
the
meetings
discussions
can
happen.
Commissioners
can
then
bring
those
discussions
back
to
the
full
commission.
C
B
J
C
Is
agendized,
as
is
for
The
Pedestrian
safety
and
data
and
statistics,
so
my
recommendation
for
you
tonight
is
talk
about
the
agenda
item
number
three,
as
it's
written
and
chair,
you
and
I
can
continue
to
discuss,
process
issues
and
then
bring
it
back
forward.
The
whole
commission,
okay,
once
it's
properly
agendized
for
that
discussion,
okay,
Layla.
L
Yeah
just
a
question
on
these
two
particular
pedestrian
safety
and
data
statistics.
These
two
committees
subcommittees-
you
had
said
that
we
are
able
to.
We
would
be
able
to
set
goals
for
those
at
this
meeting,
since
they
are
on
the
agenda.
Is
that
right,
correct
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
if
we
do
that
and
then
after
this
meeting
myself
and
the
other
members,
you
know
we
set
a
time
and
a
day
and
we
get
together
that
we
would
not
need
to.
That
would
not
need
to
be
a
public
meeting
I
just.
C
L
Okay,
so
I,
if
I
can
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
do
that
that
we
we
set.
You
know
the
goals,
if
that's
something
we
want
to
do
collectively
or,
alternatively,
the
commission
as
a
whole.
You
know
agrees
that
the
members
of
these
commission
can
can
move
forward
and
we
just
kind
of
share
the
goals
that
we've
already
we
had
you.
B
Know
crafted
so
we
need.
This
is
where
we
need
to
be
real
clear
about
what
it
is
Who's
involved.
What's
the
goal,
what's
the
time
frame,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
if
you
want
to
start
from
beginning
with,
with
that
dude
Layla,
do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
continue
with
that?
Or
do
you
want
to
pass
it
off.
D
D
B
D
B
C
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
you
a
question
because,
because
goal
is
not
the
Arbiter
of
whether
or
not
you
are
properly
creating
ad
hoc
communities,
you
have
to
be
empowered
to
do
that
analysis
yourself.
So,
in
order
to
engage
in
that
exercise,
I'm
going
to
ask
you,
commissioner,
which
data?
How
do
you
know
when
you're
done?
How
do
you
know
when
the
subcommittee
is
has
accomplished
this
goal.
D
Well,
specifically,
that
I'm
thinking
about
is,
there
is
already
a
running
kind
of
like
PDF
of
data.
That's
shared
every
on
an
ongoing
basis
on
the
police
BPD
website
that
data
is
not
necessarily
Consolidated
in
a
way.
That's
like
digestible,
in
terms
of
like
counts
of
incidents
and
Etc,
like
the
various
different
dimensions
that
go
into
that
data.
D
My
my
posing
is
to
take
that
existing
information
that
is
already
shared
with
the
public
and
organizing
it
into
a
format
that
could
be
more
kind
of
like
digestible
from
my
dashboard
perspective,
so
not
necessarily
trying
to
seek
out
like
a
ton
of
net
new
information,
basically
assessing
what
is
already
available
to
the
public.
And
how
do
we
format
that,
in
a
way
that
is
more
digestible
and
accessible
to
the
public?
So.
B
D
B
A
three
three
months
to
report
back
to
the
commission
or
to
we
went
we
want
to
set
a
time
frame
of
when
you
would
be
reporting
back
to
the
commission
and
that
report
back
might
be
what
has
or
has
not
been
accomplished
as
well
in
that.
But
the
piece
that's
missing
for
me
is
a
time
frame
about
when
it's
going
to
come
back.
So
we're
really
clear
about
great
okay.
C
B
D
This
would
be.
This
would
be
work
that
we
as
a
subcommittee
would
do
I
think
we
would
want
to
coordinate
with
BPD
in
terms
of
just
understanding
like
we
can
look
online
and
download
the
information,
but
it
might
be
an
easy
ask
of
like
what
like
what
are
the
pieces
of
information
that
are
shared
and
how
do
we
work
with
BPD
to
offer
them
a
dashboard?
That's
easily,
like
you
know,
distributable
that
doesn't
increase
the
amount
of
workload
for
them.
So
I
think
that
there's
some
level
of
collaboration
with
the
Department.
C
The
goal
of
this
ad
hoc
subcommittee
is
to
one
identify
what
data
and
statistics
are
currently
on
bpd's
website
and
do
the
work
to
convert
it
into
a
dashboard
that
is
more
easily
accessible
to
the
public,
and
once
you
do
that
draft
dashboard,
you
will
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
to
share
it
to
the
with
the
commission
and
it
will
get
approved
and
then
disseminated
to
the
public.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
C
So
because
now
you
have
a
very
clearly
identifiable
goal
that
has
a
natural
conclusion
like
we
will
be
able
to
determine
what
data
and
statistics
are
currently
on
the
website.
The
time
frame
in
which
you
finish,
your
work
is
not
as
important.
That's
just
one
factor
we
look
at
when
we
deter
try
to
determine.
Is
this
subcommittee
an
ad
hoc
or
a
standing?
C
It's
really
is
there
an
accomplishable
goal
that
has
a
that's
achievable
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
so
I'm
I'm
less
concerned
chair
about
setting
a
time
frame,
because,
to
the
extent
that
the
subcommittee
has
to
work
with
the
police
department,
we
don't
want
to
necessarily
put
arbitrary
time
restrictions
on
on
accomplishing
it.
I
don't
know
what
their
workload
is
like
I,
don't
know.
Frankly
what
the
subcommittee's
workload
is
like.
B
D
Sure,
basically-
and
you
know
for
discussion-
this
is
just
my
opposed
to
the
commission,
but
I
propose
to
turn
to
create
an
ad
hoc
committee
specifically
to
Leverage
The,
publicly
available
data
on
the
BPD
website
and
create
a
dashboard
that
is
replicable
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
offer
that
same
data
in
a
more
digestible
and
cohesive
manner.
Okay,.
B
F
F
F
L
B
D
L
B
L
B
B
C
C
Discussion
is
about
whether
or
not
to
increase
the
goal
of
the
data
and
statistics
ad
hoc
subcommittee
to
also
include
coming
up
with
the
process
on
how
members
of
the
commission
can
request
information
from
the
police
department-
okay,
okay,
so
that
is
different
from
the
motion
that
was
out
there.
That
commissioner
McKenna
second
did.
B
J
G
You
know
I'm
a
web
designer
it's
what
I
do
and
the
whether
or
not
the
the
dashboard
that's
being
built
is
going
to
be
compliant
with
what
the
website
can
actually
do,
because
we
have
to
pay
attention
the
fact
that
when
it
comes
to
web
design,
depending
on
the
depending
on
the
coding,
that's
provide
that's
capable
that
has
you
have
to
have
the
platform
to
allow
you
to
do
what
you
want
to
do.
You
know
on
a
website,
so
I
understand
that
we're
looking
at
the
website
and
changing
that
data.
G
L
I
mean
I,
think
even
I
I
don't
do
web
design,
but
I
do
interactive
online
data
visualization
and
there
are
ways
you
know
with
my
organization's
website.
For
example,
you
know
on
our
data
research
team.
You
know
we
create
online
data,
interactives
like
a
chart
or
a
map,
or
what
have
you
a
table?
Yeah.
D
L
C
C
E
D
B
B
D
R
C
B
R
B
E
L
To
remind
folks
so
the
goals
you
know
that
I'll
propose
would
be
to
one
identify
who
or
what
is
causing
the
majority
of
injuries
and
fatalities
in
pedestrian,
or
you
know,
cyclists
and
Etc
are
also
included.
Accidents,
including
you
know,
which
locations
and
code
violations
are
associated
most
frequently
with
injuries
and
fatalities.
So
it's
very
specific.
Can.
L
So
outreaching
to
you
know,
maybe
not
every
single
Public
School
in
Burbank,
but
you
know
many
of
them.
You
know
some
Elementary,
some
middle
some
high
school,
maybe
some
of
the
private
schools
and
just
to
understand
their
needs
and
and
connect
with
the
police
department
on
those
needs
and
then
lastly,
I
guess
these
are
more
of.
L
To
create
a
baseline
analysis
of
you
know,
data
over
the
past
few
years,
as
there
is
a
new
vehicle
code
21955
that
is
going
into
effect,
making
jaywalking
legal
in
most
circumstances
and
to
ensure
further
further
ensure
Equitable
practices
in
Burbank,
pedestrian
safety
and
policing,
as
it
relates
to
pedestrian
citations.
So
we
know
that
that
law
has
changed.
So
we
want
to
kind
of
create
a
baseline
of
data
that
perhaps
another
ad
hoc
committee
will,
you
know,
examine
once
this
new
law
has
gone
into
effect
for
a
few
years.
Something
like
that.
B
So
for
clarification,
the
three
items
are
who
or
what
causes
pedestrian
and
cycling
injuries
and
fatalities,
locations
of
such
of
of
such
locations
and
code
violations
Outreach
to
the
community
to
to
address
and
discuss
the
need
for
pedestrian
safety
in
this
calendar
year,
specifically
for
Burbank
schools
in
Burbank
schools
for
this
calendar
year
and
then
the
last
one
is
creating
a
baseline
analysis
of
data
for
the
new
law.
That's
in
place
regarding
jaywalking
and
for
clarification.
When,
when
is
this
task
completed,.
J
L
Contribute
to
the
majority
of
the
incidents
that
kind
of
thing-
okay,
the
second
would
be
that
may
be
more
of
a
time
period
right,
so
we
would
take
this
year
to
outreach
to
all
those
schools
and
by
the
end
of
the
year
you
know
have
again,
maybe
not
reached
all
of
them,
but
many
of
them-
and
you
know,
communicated
those
concerns
back
to
this
commission
and
also
to
you,
know
the
police
department
to
hopefully
get
them
addressed.
Okay
and
then
the
third
thing
would
be
also
a
type
of
a
you
know.
R
B
C
So
I
would
suggest
that
you
put
a
time
frame
for
all
of
those
requests.
For
example,
your
first
item
who
or
what
causes
fatalities
or
bicycles,
I,
didn't
write
it
all
down.
How
do
you
know
when
you're
done
when
you've
accomplished
that
task
until
when
last
year,
the
year
before
the
year
before
that
next
year,
the
following
year,
the
year
after
that
you
don't
have
any
thing
in
your
goal?
That
will
cause
your
task
to
end.
So
one
way
you
can
get
around
that
is
set
specific
timeline
dates
right.
C
So,
if
you'd
say
within
this
period
to
that
period,
we
want
to
see
where
were
the
fatalities.
What
were
the
violations
that
caused
that
were
associated
with
these
potential?
With
these
fatalities,
you
need
to
have
concrete,
very
specific
goals
right
if
you
keep
any
part
of
it
really
open-ended
such
that
I
can't
tell
when
it's
supposed
to
and
when
it
actually
just
does
end
right,
then
it's
too
open-ended.
L
L
B
J
J
K
B
Year,
so
what
I'm
going
to
recommend
for
that
is
to
not
set
that
parameter,
but
include
that
kind
of
like
what
what
they
were
talking
about
in
the
previous
discussion
about
whether
websites
should
be
included.
That's
something
that
the
subcommittee
can
work
or
the
ad
hoc
committee
can
work
through
and
just
move
forward,
and
do
that.
Does
that
make
sense
right,
I
just
thought
we
were
trying.
L
K
Apologize
if
I'm
going
off
track,
but
when
we
attempted
to
do
this
on
the
traffic
Commission,
if
it's
not
first
school
principals
administrators
aren't
in
even
in
place
it's
a
longest
verse
right.
So
if
we
don't
start
this
before
the
end
of
the
school
year,
it
won't
be
in
place
when
school
starts
on
the
15th
of
August
or
20th
of
August
right.
So
we
need
to
make
we
need
to
address
them
before
they
go
away
for
the
summer,
with
hopefully
implementing
a
plan
that
can
be
implemented.
K
G
Romick,
thank
you.
Chair
crumbs,
can
I
make
a
recommendation
in
regards
to
I
know
you
guys
discussed
analyzing
and
really
understanding
the
jaywalking
ordinance,
but
I
know
that
we
have
that
agenda's
for
next
month
and
I.
Remember
that
last
commission
meeting
I
asked
for
data
pertaining
jaywalking,
because
I
was
just
part
of
the
freedom
to
walk
act.
Is
that
become
redundant,
because
if
the
PD
is
going
to
provide
that
information
anyway?
Is
there
any
point
for
you
to
utilize,
a
PD
or
even
research
that
research
that,
on
your
own
Layla.
L
I
would
just
say
not
not
knowing
what
would
be
presented
there
may
be
other
questions
or
other
ways
of
analyzing,
or
you
know
that
we
may
want
to
pursue
so
I.
Don't
know
if
sure
there
could
be
a
possibility
that
that
presentation,
happens
and
of
your
question
is,
you
know,
potentially
answered
that
we
would
ask,
is,
does
that
become
a
problem
for
the
ad
hoc
committee?
If
we
decide
in
the
end,
you
know
they
answered
all
the
questions.
We
don't
need
to
do
it
or
well.
B
B
C
Thing
that
you
can
do
is
if
it's
something
that's
going
to
be
on
Beyond
agenda.
Is
it
so
that
there
can
be
the
presentation
and
then
there
can
be
a
discussion
as
to
whether
or
not
based
on
the
presentation
you
want
to
have
the
ad
hoc
subcommittee
either
one
that's
already
established
or
a
new
one
address.
Whatever
issues
you
did
not
feel
were
adequately
addressed
during
the
presentation,
you
don't
have
to
make
all
these
decisions
right
now.
Okay,.
B
C
S
C
J
N
B
New
ad
hoc
committee,
so
we
don't
need
to
include
in
the
ad
hoc
committee
right
now,
then
the
elements
around
the
new
jaywalking
law,
but
that
can
be
added
or
a
separate
ad
hoc,
could
be
created
at
the
next
meeting
as
we
as
you.
The
language
you'd
use
discussion
and
recommendations
for
ongoing
to
ongoing
address
this
issue.
D
B
Right
so
it's
going
to
be
focusing
on
who
or
what
is
causing
pedestrian
cycling,
injuries
and
fatalities,
locations
and
code
violations
associated
with
and
Outreach
to
understand
the
needs
for
pedestrian
safety.
This
calendar
year
to
the
local,
Burbank
schools,
foreign,
that's
a
lot
and
that'd
be
awesome.
Okay,
all
right!
So
the
are
all
in
favor
of
establishing
this
ad
hoc
committee,
any
opposition,
any
abstentions.
B
B
So
we
have
a
number
four
discussion
in
action
if
any
by
Commissioners
regarding
homeless
engagement,
it's
calendar
dashboard
item
for
February,
so
this
is.
This
is
an
item
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
on
this
one
Sherry.
You
might
need
your
help
with
this
one.
This
is
an
item
that
we'd
identified
in
our
annual
calendar
to
talk
about
homelessness
in
the
month
of
March
or
no
to
this
month.
Let's
talk.
B
B
We
were.
We
were
part
of
a
larger
process
with
with
lhasa,
the
LA
housing
La
homeless,
Services
Authority.
Excuse
me
to
do
their
annual
homeless
count
and
in
doing
this,
each
each
group
or
entity
that
participates
in
the
homeless.
Count
that
actually
gathered
in
this
room
before
we
went
out
gets
a
census
track
map
and
we
go
out
into
the
community
into
to
do
a
count
which
then
the
county
uses
to
to
aggregate
to
get
the
number
number
of
folks
that
are
homeless
in
the
county.
B
The
second
piece
is-
and
some
of
you
may
recall
this
as
well-
is
there
was
a
an
attendee
at
last
month's
meeting,
who
historically
identifies
as
unhoused
and
I'm
actually
happy
to
report
that
Burbank
PD,
along
with
other
partners,
actually
got
this
individual
got
this
individual
housed
following
the
last
meeting
it.
Actually,
it
sounds
like
it
happened.
B
K
But
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
one
of
the
things
that,
on
a
positive
note,
the
resources
are
there
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
is
communicate.
I.
Think
I've
stated
before
my
wife
had
a
student
register
for
school
as
homeless
on
Monday
she
came
home
for
school
first
day
of
school,
broken
up,
I
called
Albert
Hernandez
and
he
apologized
he
said.
K
B
So
quick,
quick
question
for
the
chief
I
know
that
the
mental
health
evaluation
team
is
engaged
in
doing
some
elements
of
homeless
Outreach
in
the
community.
Do
you
recall
the
name
of
the
community
agents
or
Community
organization?
That's
contracted
with
the
city
around
homeless,
Outreach,
there's
a
there's,
an
organization,
I
I,
don't
recall
the
name
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
specifically
with
the
individual
that
was
at
last
month's
meeting.
This
agency
had
engaged
with
her
and
she
was
she
had
her
Section
8
voucher,
but
she
lost
her
ID
and
this
agency.
B
I
So
this
is
a
a
topic
that
is
close
to
this
organization
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
in
what
is
frustrating
and
we
can
use
that
person
is
case,
study
and
others
that
are
resistant
to
Services
right
and
the
services
are
out
there.
They're,
Bountiful
and
and
in
the
communication,
is
Bountiful,
but
when
they're
resistant
to
services
there's
an
absence
of
trust,
there's
mental
health
underpinnings
and
you
put
that
in
the
Cuisinart
mixer
it
is
just
a
very
slow
process
as,
as
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
many
times
so.
I
I
don't
know,
there's
more
of
my
disappointment
is
with
the
county
is
where
we
could
fast
track
it.
There
was
a
time
when
I
first
came
here.
We
actually
had
a
credit
card.
So
if
someone
came
in
that
was
unhoused
a
mom,
a
couple
kids,
so
we
didn't
put
them
up
in
a
hotel
for
the
night
and
also
provide
food
that
we
don't
have
those
Services
anymore
and
I.
Don't
know
anyone
that
has
like
an
immediate
service
because
they
have
to
go
through
a
process.
G
Sorry,
thank
you,
Chief
and
you
know:
I
I
serve
on
the
board
for
him
again
L.A.
So
I
work
with
closely
with
Albert
he's
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
Albert
Hernandez
he's
the
CEO
of
the
home
again
LA
and
you
know,
I
see
the
work
that
we
all
do
together
and
would
be
happy
to
assist
in
any
way
making
that
connection
and
we
do
provide
when
families
do
come
in
and
usually
statistically
it's
been
single
mothers
with
kids
if
they
have
they're
homeless
and
they
need
immediate
assistance.
G
I
I
I
I'd
connect
them
up
with
our
Med
team
and
our
community
resource
officer.
Okay,
so
let
me
give
you
some
names,
so
you
can
follow
up
with
them.
Either.
Lieutenant
green
or
Captain
kremins
provide
oversight
to
are
met
in
community
resource
officers
so
and
just
understand
all
our
Patrol
officers
have
resource
information,
so
so
we're
we're
hypersensitive
to
all
of
this.
It's
just
that
I
was
naively
expecting
that
we
can
make
a
1
800
call
and
there
would
be
a
response
team
and
that's
just
not
the
case
yeah
yeah.
I
E
I
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
year
so
this
would
be
pre,
pre-covered
and
I
I,
don't
want
to
share
names
but
there's
a
fascinating
backstory,
but
to
your
question.
So
let
me
answer
your
question.
They
have
been
responsive.
We
have
to
identify
them
as
American
Veteran
that
was
discharged
honorably
and
the
only
challenge
we
have
is
that
we
have
to
go
to
West
L.A.
I
For
the
most
part,
there
is
a
facility
out
out
here
in
the
valley,
but
our
experience
has
been
that
we
go
to
West
LA
and
without
without
being
insensitive
here,
it's
a
drop
and
go
which
is
which
is
significant,
because
if
you
go
to
all
of
you,
then
you
have
Wall
time
and
you
all
know
what
wall
time
is.
Is
that
there's
a
wall
at
a
hospital?
I
B
K
I
I
think
that
the
chief
was
just
was
stating
that
btech
used
to
be
able
to
fund
is
phenomenal,
and
that
might
be
something
that
we
could
find
a
way
to
promote
because
I
know
my
experience
working
with
b-tech,
everybody
thinks
they
need
food,
they
also
need
I
mean
I've
had
Scouts
that
have
raised
hygiene
materials
for
them.
You
redo
your
bathroom,
bring
your
old
towels
there.
They
have
people
take
showers
there,
the
things
of
that
nature.
So
there
are
things
beyond
our
normal
scope.
They
have
computers
and
things
of
that
nature.
K
So
maybe,
if
people
were
aware
of
the
fact
that
this
type
of
thing
was
being
coordinated
through
our
Police
Department,
not
just
being
wasted
that
there
would
be
more
cash
donations,
I,
don't
know
how
to
phrase
that
tactfully,
but
but
am
I
am
I
right
in
this,
assuming
what
it
was
it
was
funded
by
donations
to
btec.
Is
that
correct,
chief.
K
I
Was
for
extraordinary
circumstances?
Typically,
it
would
be
a
a
a
mother
with
younger
children
and
understand
we
have
diapers.
We
have
you
know
we
have
Smalls
b-tac
in
additional
that
you
talked
about.
They
have
washer
dryers,
they
accept
emails,
they
do
they.
They
do
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting,
but
the
bottom
line
it.
It
takes
funds
money
trying
to
write
that.
K
I
guess
my
point
just
is
just
like
everybody
thinks
of
food
drives
around
the
holidays.
When
people
get
hungry
12
months
a
year,
you
know
they
don't
think
of
it.
The
other
months
of
the
year.
They
also
don't
think
necessarily
cash
right.
They
think
of
they
think
of
services.
So
maybe
if
there
was
a
way
of
promoting
that
and
I
could
talk
to
Barbara
about
that
and
find
out
what
she
wants.
B
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that
this
is
something
that
all
the
Commissioners
can
do
independently
is
that
we
can
identify
if
there's
resources
that
we're
aware
of
that
the
department
May
benefit
from
to
be
able
to
assist
in
in
one-off
types
of
situations
has
been
described
here,
that
we
submit
that
information
to
Sherry
and
then
Sherry
can
then
distribute
accordingly
to
the
department.
Does
that
sound,
reasonable,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
that,
any
other?
Any
other
discussion
on
this
I.
K
It's
about
20
years
old,
but
I
have
a
community
resource
card
that
we
did
in
Kiwanis
20
years
ago,
so
the
numbers
probably
need
to
be
all
updated,
but
maybe
that
type
of
thing
there's
a
tri-fold
and
it
had
everything
from
Alcoholics
Anonymous.
You
know
throughout
and
maybe
that's
something
we
can
look
at
as
a
group.
B
Let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
number
five
and
we'll
try
to
move
this
one
through
pretty
quickly.
This
is
discussion
in
action
if
any
on
the
decision-making
procedures
for
the
police,
commission
and
and
I
can
start
this
one
off
again.
Miss,
oh
and
I,
were
meeting
about
this,
and
the
the
concern
is:
is
that
the
consensus
model
that
I
recommended
back
in
November,
which
comes
from
an
organization
called
communities
at
work?
B
They
have
very,
they
have
a
number
of
variations
of
it
and
it's
usually
different
gradients
of
consensus
from
I
completely
agree
to
I
completely
disagree
and
there's
four
three
other
stages
in
between
one
of
the
models
actually
colors.
The
one
of
the
models
actually
provides
colors
of
green,
yellow
and
red.
That
is
what
I
recommended
then,
in
talking
with
Miss,
oh
and
in
some
of
the
other
work
that
I've
done
in
other
locations.
B
There
is
a
real
emphasis
on
the
use
of
plain
language,
and
so
the
recommendation
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
we
we
don't
we're
not
using
any
form
of
parliamentary
process
or
Robert's
Rules
or
anything
like
that.
But
in
the
spirit
of
what
we're
trying
to
implement
is
we
want
to
Implement
a
consensus
model
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
identify
our
agreement,
our
disagreement
or
our
ambivalence
and
be
able
to
work
through
that.
B
And
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we,
in
terms
of
our
decision-making
process,
that
we
practice
using
clear
language.
So
when
we
make
a
decision,
we
acknowledge
whether
we
agree
or
disagree.
So
if
we
need
to
make
a
decision
on
something
simply
we
agree
or
disagree,
and
we
can
do
that
by
taking
a
vote,
a
show
and
we'll
try
to
show
of
hands
as
well,
which
would
make
life
a
little
bit
easier
for
for
for
our
staff.
B
For
for
this
commission,
but
then
we're
really
clear
about
whether
we
have
questions
or
concerns
and
as
a
group,
we
work
through
those
questions
and
concerns.
So
what
I'm
recommending
is
that
we
we
use
a
model
of
basically
we're
using
plain
language
to
agree
or
disagree
and
that
we
also
take
the
time
to
raise
questions
we
have
where
we
need
clarification
if
we're
in
that
ambivalent
middle
space.
So
I
want
to
open
that
up
for
discussion
with
with
everyone.
F
Like
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
something
following
the
council
over
the
years
and
watching
when
they
go
into
a
discussion
about
an
item
as
they
go
along,
each
one
gives
a
hint
or
or
more
of
where
they
stand
on
the
subject.
Right,
I
agree
because
I
don't
like
this,
because,
but
it's
very
clear
by
the
time
everybody's
got
gotten
done
speaking
right,
how
the
vote's
going
to
go
before
the
votes
even
taken,
and
it's
all
very
clear
what
their
objectives
are.
What
they're
looking
at
so
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
What
you're
suggesting
here
and.
B
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
about
the
importance
of
discussion
dialogue,
making
sure
that
we're
expressing
why
we
support
or
not
support
something
when
it's
when
it's
on
an
item.
That's
up!
That's
up
for
discussion
and
exploration.
So
obviously
so.
For
example,
we
wouldn't
use
that
for
setting
future
agenda
items,
because
that
would
we're
not
supposed
to
engage
in
that
discussion.
But
we
would
use
that
for
any
of
the
items
in
one
through
one
through
five
that
we're
talking
about
right
now.
E
B
I
I'm
Gonna
Keep,
it
very
short
I
only
have
one
announcement
that
I
think
is
notable
for
the
commission
and
for
the
community
is
that
on
February
28th
we
will
do
the
report
out
on
the
GMP
tow
service,
so
the
staff
report
will
be
coming
out.
I
would
ask
you
to
look
for
that
and
community
members
to
look
for
that.
There
was
a
lot
of
Staff
time
put
into
that
report
and
research.
It
goes
back
many
many
years
and
we
will
see
what
the
city
council's
response
other
than
that
I
have
nothing
else
to
report
out.
I
B
I
B
All
right
with
with
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
item
H.
This
is
introduction
of
agenda
items
for
future
meetings,
so
the
there's
there's
some
items
that
we
already
have
that
are
here
that
are
that
we've
already
calendared,
so
we
have
and-
and
we
have
to
vote
on
these
so
these
are
these-
are
things
that
actually
I
take
it
back.
We
don't
need
to
vote
on
those
okay,
so
it's
for
clarification,
equity
and
hiring
is
going
to
be
on
the
next.
B
On
the
next
agenda
presentation:
discussion
of
ab2147
the
freedom
to
walk
act
in
conjunctions
with
the
city's
Vision
zero
efforts
is
on
the
agenda,
a
review
of
the
Ripa
Advisory
board
report
and
discuss
discussion
of
potential
areas
of
interest
for
future
presentations,
and
then
the
last
is
City.
Council's
decision
regarding
business
cards
for
boards
and
commissions
will
be
on
the
next
agenda.