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Planning and Zoning Commission - October 24, 2022
A
A
A
City
council
has
all
legislative
decisions
for
the
city
and
has
final
authority
to
rezone
the
property.
So
we
this
commission,
we
do
not
rezone
anything.
All
we
do
is
make
a
recommendation.
So
whatever
is
said
here
tonight
can
be
reversed.
Go
the
other
way.
Once
it
gets
the
city
council,
we
just
make
a
recommendation
and
they
make
their
own
decision.
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A
A
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All
right,
we
have
five
rezonings
tonight.
The
first
one
is
resulting
in
22-17
Mr,
Oliver
kanker
applicant
to
present
a
request
to
rezone
properties
for
medium
density,
residential
MDR
and
medium
industrial
Mi
to
medium
industrial
Lu
m.
I
Dash,
Lu
limited
use.
These
properties
are
located
at
the
Terminus
of
South
Anthony
court
and
on
the
Westerly
side
of
Kent
Drive
south
of
Anthony.
B
D
E
F
I'm,
not
Oliver
Oliver
sends
his
regards.
He
couldn't
make
it
tonight.
He
got
married
this
weekend
and
he
is
on
his
own,
then.
So
congratulations
to
him.
The
rest
of
the
team
that
was
here
last
time
we
were
here
was
also
over
here
in
the
corner
of
Ryan
Frazier,
Emma
bond
from
Vision
real
estate
partners
and
Charlie
Dao
and
Jessica
Escobedo
from
Boulder
engineering
who
are
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
the
last
time
we
were
here.
We
presented
you
a
list
of
limited
uses.
F
F
F
Just
as
a
reminder.
We
had
taken
off
antenna
collection,
major
and
minor
Passenger,
Terminal
Telecom,
Tower,
Automotive,
Repair
parking
lot
facility,
Automotive,
towing
fuel
oil,
gas,
energy
conversion
and
new
energy
conversion.
That
was
the
initial
10
that
the
next
group,
that
kind
of
resulted
from
this
meeting
was
broadcast
studio,
government,
Administrative,
Office,
I'm,
sorry,
coliseum
convention,
Fire,
EMS
helicopter
landing
pad
post-op,
School
location,
convenience,
store
event,
venue,
parking
structure,
theater
truck,
stop
so
take
all
those
off
you're
left
with
the
35
uses
that
are
on
our
October
18th
letter.
F
F
You
know,
I
think
our
team
learned
a
lot
a
lot
of
little
things
right
about
from
the
folks
that
use
those
intersections
every
day
and
I
know
these
things
have
come
up
later,
as
we
get
down
to
the
site
plan,
review
and
Dot,
but
they
were
tremendously
forthcoming.
We
had
a
great
meeting
development
was
very
supportive
glad
to
see
the
staff
is
recommended
and
made
with
this.
So
we
are
here
making
the
application
and
we're
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
need.
A
G
G
G
F
Yeah
concept
plan
yeah,
we
do,
did
you
bring
it
with
you
tonight?
We
did
not
simply
because
it
was
not
as
part
of
the
rezoning
process,
fair
enough,
yeah
and
and
the
key
there
was.
We
also
were
able
to
show
there's
a
40-foot
buffer
all
around
the
property,
but
when
you
really
look
at
slopes
and
grade
and
where
the
berms
have
to
be
the
actual
distance
between
the
back
of
their
their
property
line
and
where
the
paving
and
the
building
start
is
more
like
250
300
plus
feet
right.
F
So
those
are
the
questions
so
right
because
of
the
nature
of
that
property,
and
you
kind
of
tell
by
the
way
it
was
initially
its
owned-
is
the
part
closer
to
Anthony
Court
this
ladder.
So
you
have
to
use
the
flat
board
and
obviously,
as
you
go
down
towards
Alamance
Creek,
that's
that's
all
going
to
be
wetlands.
F
I,
really
don't
think
so.
You
know,
like
I
said
we
spent
a
couple
hours
had
a
group
presentation
and
everybody
broke
up
into
five
different
kind
of
subsets
so
that
everybody
could
have
direct
one-on-one
conversations
and
I.
Think
the
biggest
thing
was
that's
what
the
number
one
issue
it
was.
What
is
it
not
going
to
be-
and
you
guys
have
probably
heard
of
this
one?
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
not
going
to
be
Apartments
out
there
out.
F
D
A
D
I
Owner
of
the
site,
the
owner
could
not
be
there,
but
we
spoke
with
his
father-in-law,
who
actually
owns
parcel
off
of
cats
right
behind
it.
So
then
there's
the
the
piece
that
we
own
in
between
that
in
the
comment
we
made
to
them
was
that
that
middle
piece
is
going
to
remain
green
space.
We're
not
touching
that
there
are
no
plans
for
that,
and
that
was
really
the
most
important
thing
to
them.
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A
J
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C
C
E
E
Inconsistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
and
section
4
land
use
of
the
comprehensive
planning
and
portion
of
the
areas
going
to
be
a
rural
residential
agriculture.
The
request
is
consistent
with
proportionment
calls
from
the
area
to
be
General
industrial.
The
request
also
supports
the
2018
big
Alamance
Creek
area
study,
which
identifies
the
lands
that
may
be
suitable
to
transition
from
low
density,
single-family
land
use
patterns
to
some
other
mix
of
residential
and
non-residential
land
uses
for
economic
development
purposes.
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A
C
D
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C
C
A
G
D
They
were
just
interested
to
know
why
we
were
resenting.
I
just
explained
the
exact
same
thing
that
the
current
zoning
doesn't
really
allow
for.
The
research
form
that
we
currently
have
and
to
keep
it
consistent
with
the
neighbors
to
the
East
and
to
the
West
department,
and
he
was
very
interested
in.
D
To
continue
using
it,
as
is
yes,
so
we
wanted
to
continue
to
serve
as
a
research
form.
We
will
do
some
development
there,
maybe
some
small
residential
for
some
students
who
want
to
live
and
work
on
the
farm
as
well
as
maybe
a
research
or
classroom
type
building
for
local
kids
that
maybe
want
to
come
down
to
the
farm
and
learn
about
sustainable
farming.
So,
but
the
majority
of
it
is
going
to
be
a
one-day.
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J
A
A
L
I'd
like
to
ask
you
questions:
okay,
come
on
up,
give
us
your
name.
Yes,
I've
been
Sean,
Barfield
I
own
the
house
right
across
the
street,
from
where
the
residence
is
now
that
you
guys
are,
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
are
you
guys
going
to
demolish
that
house?
Is
that
in
the
plans,
how
much
construction
is
going
to
be
going
in?
D
L
It's
a
nice
house
too,
though
man,
if
you
were
looking
for
some
sort
of
how's,
the
kids,
but
but
okay,
that's
my
biggest
concern
because
I'm
just
I'm
right
across
the
street
from
there
so
I'm
just
didn't,
know
how
much
construction
was
going
to
be
taking
place
directly
across
the
street
that
will
affect
my
panics,
okay.
Okay,
thank.
A
D
D
C
C
D
115-754-115-864
and
115865,
while
the
request
is
inconsistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
in
section
4
land
use
of
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
that
it
calls
for
this
area
to
have
rural
residential
agricultural
uses.
The
request
is
compatible
with
the
existing
institutional
uses
occurring
on
the
property.
D
C
A
A
K
End
well,
I
appreciate
the
time.
I
am
the
applicant
paragraph
here
and
my
honeymoon
was
26
years
ago,
so
I
I
had
to
make
the
meeting,
but
so,
as
I
as
you
can
see
here,
there
are
two
Auto
five
or
six
requests
that
are
trying
to
find
light
industrial
land.
We
have
a
lot
of
residents
that
like
to
live
here,
but
jobs
are
important
too.
So
somehow,
some
of
us
see
a
polite
industrial
land
brings
employment
and-
and
that's
the
goal
here
is
to
take
the
14.
K
15
acres
of
land
and
I
can
turn
it
into
a
light.
Industrial
Park
of
some
sort,
I
have
with
my
engineering
firm
in
Elon
I,
have
a
need
for
four
acres
of
it.
We
have
been
very
lucky
with
coven
our
competitors
out
of
Germany
and
out
of
China,
having
a
very
hard
time
supporting
the
United
States,
with
its
Fair
parks
for
pharmaceutical
machines
and
that's
what
we
do.
We
design
replacement
spare
parts
for
pharmaceutical
machines
and
we
need
to
expand.
We
have
a
facility
in
Utah
also.
We
want
to
expand
the
Elon.
B
K
And
move
it
to
the
Burlington
site
and
employ
more
machinists
and
engineers
and
designers
to
support
the
local
economy,
but
to
deliver
globally.
Our
our
closest
customer
is
in
Wilson
North
Carolina,
but
we're
delivering
to
Germany
this
week
we're
delivering
around
the
world
to
keep
vitamin
machines
running
in
pharmaceutical
machines.
Running
around
we've
been
in
Elon
for
approximately
23
years.
We've
outgrown
our
facility
there
and
have
been
patiently
looking
for
land.
K
K
Did
you
have
a
neighborhood
meeting
which
we
actually
didn't?
It
was
our
understanding
that
the
City
of
Burlington
would
be
notifying
The
Neighbors
in
that
general
area,
and
there
are
I
actually
would
have
to
think.
The
closest
resident
is
probably
Ethan.
Point
I.
Guess
something
like
that.
So
it's
quite
a
quite
a
ways.
You
can
see
the
industrial
surrounding
that
property
Kirkpatrick,
and
so
the
answer
is
straightforward.
No,
we
did
not
speak
with
any
of
the
neighbors
there.
There
aren't
any.
G
K
K
So
I
I
would
see
that
there
could
be
a
HVAC
company
there,
Electrical
Plumbing,
because
it's
in
such
close
proximity
to
the
immediate
access
to
the
City
of
Burlington
and
also
4085.,
it
would
be
a
good
location
if
I
had
an
HVAC
company
or
something
along
that
line
that
Services
customers
a
nice
dispatch
location.
So
no
one
has
approached
me
technically.
We
are
not
going
to
close
on
the
land
for
a
month
month
and
a
half,
so
I
don't
want
to
put
the
carpet
for
the
horse.
K
K
Is
well,
we
have
quite
a
few
customers
in
Ireland
and
Ireland
calls
themselves
a
Industrial
estate
and
so
we're
thinking
about
going
in
that
direction
to
call
it
an
industrial
estate
where
you
have
a
side
a
little
bit
like
behind
Harley-Davidson
and
Daryl
Allen,
and
what
is
now
hospice
and
there's
just
a
nice
group
of
different
light.
Industrial
companies
there.
So
that's
kind
of
the
vision
is
something
but
smaller
I
mean
this
is
only
15
14
acres
and
some
of
it
is
the
terrain
is
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
K
So
it's
probably
going
to
work
out
to
be
about
12,
acres
or
so,
and
it's
all
said
and
done,
but
I
think
it
would
be
ultimately
independent
light
industrial
facilities
to
service
the
community,
all
these
residential
houses
that
are
coming
in
needing
heating
and
air
conditioning
service
and
plumbing
and
electricians,
and
those
kind
of
things
likely
that
would
be
a
candidate
to
to
have
a
facility
there
with
the
Toyota
plant
coming
in
in
Julian,
Airport
Road
I
mean
from
that
spot,
that's
only
about
20
or
30
minutes
away
at
30
maximum.
So
it
it
there's.
K
K
K
M
K
I
I
was
curious
as
to
what
was
happening
so
I
mean
how
do
you
find
with
providing
a
little
bit
more
information
on
what
we
do
and
how
we
do
it?
It's
very
clean
industry,
it's
design,
engineering
and
Manufacturing
inside
a
building
with
CNC
machines,
lathes
and
Mills
to
produce
these
spare
parts
that
produce
that
allow
encapsulation
machines,
our
encapsulation
machine
itself
produces
2100
capsules
per
minute
so
like,
for
example,
maybe
you've
heard
of
nestle.
They
have
three
of
our
machines.
Companies.
K
Gabapentin,
which
is
a
pharmaceutical
grade
material
in
their
facility,
two
of
their
our
machines
that
are
in
their
Long
Island
plant
and
but
in
general
we
have
we
just
export.
We,
we
really
hope
to
balance
of
trade
of
spare
parts
and
money
between
the
United,
States
and
Germany
and
other
countries.
So
we
take
a
part
or
a
machine
that
may
have
been
designed
in
Germany
and
we'll
reverse
engineer
that
in
North
Carolina
produce
the
spare
parts.
K
D
B
H
Nature
in
that
area,
thank
you,
sir
you're.
Just
beyond
the
part
where
our
love
Housing
Development
farther
south,
if
you
think
that
you
would
be
compatible
with
housing,
other
forms
of
development
right
now,
you're
out
of
here,
do
you
think
lighting
customer
part
of
the
state,
whatever
it
is
aesthetically
would
please
other
people's
houses
out
there
or
other
Developers
in.
K
B
K
Four
years
ago,
I
sold
a
facility
in
New
Jersey
that
I
owned.
That
was
part
of
a
a
planned
Urban,
Development
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
Burlington
has
a
planned,
Urban
Development,
but
it's
a
fantastic
idea
where
you
could
have
in
in
let's
say
six
blocks.
You
could
have
a
maybe
a
manufacturing
facilities
that
have
certain
rules
and
regulations.
There's
a
fire
station.
There
was
an
elementary
school,
there
were
townhouses
and
houses,
and
so
you
could
walk
down
the
sidewalk
to
go
to
work.
K
Those
kinds
of
things
and,
and
so
I
I
feel
that
there's
a
need
for
that
I
think
there's
a
if
people
can
walk
to
work
and
walk
home
for
lunch
kind
of
thing.
It's
a
it's
a
great
thing.
So
to
me,
that's
the
whole
concept.
We
will
be
required
to
go
sidewalks
in
I'm.
All
for
that
I
mean
we
need
to
have
a
close
Community,
don't
want
to
pay
for
it.
D
Staff
recommendation
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
requested
properties
between
Office
of
the
institution
so
I,
just
like
industrial
Delights.
The
property
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
Huffman
Mill
Road
Southwest
of
the
intersection
of
Grand
Oaks
Boulevard
and
Hopkinsville
Road
addressed
as
1559
Huffman
Mill
Road
education
number
107153.
The
motion
is
based
upon
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
rezoning
with
a
comprehensive
plan
in
that
the
future
land
use
mapping
section
four
land
use
of
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
this
area
to
have
business
park
light
Industrial.
D
A
C
C
B
N
I,
thank
you
all
for
letting
me
talk
today
and
requests
I've
been
working
on
this
property
for
a
while
I've
been
I'm,
hoping
to
use
it
for
my
business
office.
My
accounting
practice
I've
been
in
business
for
over
20
years
at
a
location
on
Elementary
which
no
longer
students
meet.
The
building
has
changed.
My
office
is
too
small
grown,
especially
through
covet
helping
businesses
and
everything.
N
I
just
really
need
more
space,
and
with
the
boom
of
the
bidding
wars
and
whatnot
I
had
trouble
finding
a
place
to
move
to
terms
of
ridiculously
high
that
I
started
looking
to
purchase,
I
purchased
this
slot
building
costs
were
high,
so
I
looked
for
a
building
that
I
was
able
to
move
and
relocate
and
restore
this
1950s,
brick
bungalow
that
will
serve
my
office
needs
greatly.
The
layout
is
perfect
and
I'm
working
on
it.
N
What
we've
done
there
with
the
property
they've
complement
us
greatly
for
a
while.
It
was
a
hangout
for
friends
and
they
have
trouble
with
that
and
there
was
a
lot
of
them
thought
it
was
a
fire
on
the
property
and
whatnot
which
we
have
all
cleaned
up:
we've
cleaned
up
property,
the
woods
wooded
areas,
so
that
no
longer
is
a
problem
and
I
have
not
heard
anything
negative
from
any
of
my
neighbors.
N
In
regards
to
this
and
for
right
now,
my
my
main
purpose
is
to
just
be
able
to
move
my
office
there
and
make
a
nice
professional
feel
to
it,
based
on
the
restoration
that
we've
been
doing
with
the
work
building
and
whatnot,
we've
tried
to
be
very
careful
of
how
we
are
restoring
it
and
the
property
around
it,
so
I'm
hoping
that
I
can
get.
This
request,
get
the
recommendation.
N
A
A
N
Talked
with
them,
no
from
the
time
I've
been
first
started.
Looking
at
the
property,
neighbors
came
the
two
neighbors
that
are
there
came
over
and
talked
to
me
about
it.
We
even
actually
looked
at
the
property.
Next
to
us,
we
were
thinking
about
purchasing
that
instead
and
they're
really
like
I,
said
they've
been
on.
Both
of
them
have
been
very
supportive
of
what
I'm
doing
they've
been
pleased
to
see
us
cleaning
up
a
lot
and
getting
things
done.
N
They
were,
of
course,
everybody's
been
very
interesting
in
the
house
move
and
we
were
able
to
move
it
actually
from
the
property
right
next
to
us
and
just
come
back
and
cut
through
the
woods
and
drop
it.
So
they
were
all
just
a
part
of
that,
and
watching
and
being
first
we're
getting
excited
about
it.
So
I
and.
B
D
I'm
glad
to
hear
what
you're
doing,
because
the
last
time
I
talked
to
you
and
your
husband
yeah
we're
just
talking
about
property.
You
don't
remember
me,
but
I
was
doing
a
yard
at
the
Home
Builders
Association,
oh
yes
and
I
I
was
trying
my
best
to
try
to
convert
you
from
building
a
home
there
or
putting
my
own
there
because
the
area
but
for
business,
an
office
like
that
they
have
cleaned
up
the
lot.
It's
it's
very
nice.
D
B
A
B
N
H
M
N
C
D
D
The
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
Anthony
Road
South
from
the
intersection
of
Hanford
Road
and
Anthony
Road
addressed
as
1208
Anthony
Road
and
consisting
of
Alamance
County
tax
identification
number
one,
three,
two
one:
eight
zero.
The
motion
is
based
upon
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
rezoning
with
the
comprehensive
plan
in
that
the
future
land
use
map
and
section
4
land
use
of
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
this
area
to
have
General
industrial
uses.
The
request
is
compatible
with
the
adjacent
industrial
uses.
D
B
C
H
G
I
Owns
both
of
the
subject
properties
with
me
this
evening
is
Dennis
Euless,
the
Builder
and
a
principal
of
Grand
Oaks
East
LLC
and
Aiden
stoltzbus
the
engineer
on
the
project.
This
is
a
request
to
reason
both
tracks,
one
is
within
the
corporate
City
Limits.
That's
the
corner
property
and
the
the
larger
track
is
actually
etj
property.
I
Initiating
this
process,
that
was
got
good
feedback
at
that
time.
One
of
the
big
points
of
discussion
at
that
initial
meeting
back
then
was
the
status
of
the
corner
property.
At
the
time
the
Grand
Oaks
he's
had
control
had
a
contract
for
the
larger
track,
but
did
not
have
any
communication
or
plans
for
the
quarter
parcel.
It
was
owned
independently
and
the
suggestion
or
the
Urgent
was
made
that
that
they
attempt
to
as
secure
that
corner
parcel.
I
B
I
Time
they
have
gone
all
in
they've,
purchased,
both
properties.
Now
you
typically
have
applicants
before
you
in
the
due
diligence
phase,
ensuring
that
they
get
the
entitlements
they
need
for
their
intended
use.
In
the
event
it
doesn't
work
out,
but
we've
had
enough
good
feedback
and
good
work
on
the
plan
that
they
they
own
the
property
and
we're
before
you.
I
I
Got
to
propose
use
that's
compatible
with
its
surroundings.
It's
consistent
with
adjacent
uses.
You
have
the
Grand
Oaks
apartments
across
the
street.
You
have
Auburn
Trace
next
to
the
Grand
Oaks
apartments
across
the
street.
My
understanding
is
that
the
track,
also
across
Grand
Oaks,
is,
is
planned
or
proposed
for
Town
Homes.
Perhaps
the.
I
I
I
B
I
And
endorse
staff
recommendation.
We
certainly
hope
you
do
as
well
and
of
course,
the
recommendation
comes
with
a
recommended
motion
that
I.
That
does
acknowledge
that
it
is
technically
inconsistent.
But
if
you
look
at
the
map,
that's
in
front
of
you
and
and
compare
that
to
the
reality
of
how
this
area
of
the
city
has
come
to
be
it's
it's
sort
of
Chartered
its
own
course
in
a
particularly
functional
way
with
the
residential
products
and
the
residential
development.
That's
there
in
in
concert
with
all
of
the
employment
and
institutional
growth.
I
It's
not
that
hasn't
materialized
in
a
way,
maybe
that
the
plan
had
anticipated,
but
certainly
in
a
way
that
serves
the
city
well
in
a
way
that
I
think
should
all
support
and-
and
this
proposal
fits
well
within
that
we
believe
and
hope
to
have
I
hope
you
will
agree.
I
hope
you
will
support
this
request.
I
I
M
I
want
an
arms
with
propaganda,
so
this
time
we're
actually
looking
at
doing
some
four-story
stuff.
So
we
can
do
elevators
and
officials
so
have
a
lot
of
interest
now
in
senior
people
looking
for
apartments
and
having
fixed
prices.
So
so
we're
going
to
elevate
all
our
buildings
to
be
able
to
to
do
that
by.
M
M
B
D
M
D
M
M
M
G
A
C
A
C
And
what
is
your
recommendation
so,
while
this
is
recognizably
inconsistent
with
the
future,
Landing
designation
staff
is
recommending
the
rezoning
request,
similar
to
The
Reason
stated
by
the
applicant.
It
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
uses
and
the
language
trends
that
have
occurred
in
the
area.
G
Thank
you
most
recommend
approval
to
the
requests
to
rezone
properties
from
Office
institutional
ois,
immediately
residential
MDR
to
high
density
residential
HDR,
the
properties
located
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
Grand
Rapids
Boulevard
to
provide
the
road
address
to
zero,
perfect
Road
and
zero
Grand
Oaks
Boulevard
at
the
system
of
Alamance
County
tax
identification.
Number
112931
3189,
while
requested
inconsistent
with
future
land
land
use
map
in
section
4
land
use
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
that
it
costs
the
area
to
have
General
industrial
use
to
requests
compatible
with
existing
existing
area.
G
G
A
A
Questions
item
number
eight
u-d-o-t-a
5-22.
On
the
twist
of
the
City
of
Burlington
Mr
Chad
Meadows
to
present
the
unified
development
coordinates
tax
Commandments.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
Mr
members,
I'm,
Chad,
Meadows,
I'm,
principal
code
right
and
it's
my
pleasure
to
be
back
before
you
again,
10
short
minutes
to
cover
this
material.
O
O
Essentially
our
comments
or
our
revisions
are
created,
because
staff
is
working
with
applicants
to
try
to
improve
the
effectiveness
of
the
ordinance
or
staff
has
noticed
somewhere
in
the
ordinance
where
the
the
language
would
benefit
from
greater
Precision
or
the
legal
environment
has
changed
because
of
the
general
assembly.
So
we've
got
a
blend
of
each
of
these
before
you
guys
tonight.
O
O
Limited
use,
rezoning
application
process,
which
has
been
wildly
successful,
I
think
most
of
your
zoning
applications
tonight
were
limited
use.
Zoning.
So
that's
good
and
encouraged
by
that.
The
current
regulations
ask
the
applicant
to
list
the
proposed
uses
and
or
the
prohibited
uses,
and
we
just
felt
like
it
would
be
cleaner
and
more
consistent.
If
we
simply
ask
the
applicant
to
list
the
proposed
uses
and
stop
there,
and
so
it's.
A
O
The
issue
that
we've
got
on
our
hands
here
is:
how
do
we
Fetter
the
discretion?
How
do
we
tailor
a
range
of
allowable
uses
for
one
site
and
and
and
have
that
sort
of
approach
work
for
another
site?
Can
you
limit
the
range
or
the
number
of
uses?
Yes,
you
can
should
you
is
a
different
question
now.
This
is
be
something
that
we
would
need
to
explore.
O
Let's
say
for
the
sake
of
argument
that
somebody
wanted
to
come
in
and
do
a
limited
use,
industrial
site
right,
an
L,
an
l-I-l-u
or
a
you
know
an
milu.
Could
we
have
standards
in
there?
That
said,
listen
you
know.
We
think
that
the
graduation
should
be
10
and
not
45.
yeah
you
can
but
which
can,
and
what,
if
that
11th
uses,
is
one
that's
really
good.
So
that's
the
difficulty
that
you've
got
in
in
trying
to
bring
some
some
limitation
to
that
legislative
discretion.
O
You
know
it's
hope
that
the
applicant
would
self-police
themselves
and
limit
the
range
of
uses
to
the
minimum.
So
you
get
the
approval
approval.
That's
what
the
limited
use
is
all
about
is
to
try
to
create
that
possibility.
For
the
applicant
to
get
an
approval
in
light
of
maybe
some
resistance
from
surrounding
neighbors,
so
you
know
in
some
cases
I
think
they
do
that
in
other
cases,
when
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
then
they're,
not
limiting
answered
your
question.
Can
you
limit
them?
Yes,
should
you
limit
them?
A
About
some
more
well
think
about
a
maximum
of
20
uses
in
your
thought
process,
the
guy
knows
what
he's
going
to
put
there.
Indeed,
he
does.
Indeed
he
knows
what's
going
here,
so
you
know
why
come
here
with
45
uses
when
he,
when
he
knows
that
one
little
Pearl
is
in
there
sure
sure
number
18
is
right.
What
do
you
really
wants
understood?
Mr.
D
D
You
can
group
these
into
different
sections.
For
example,
I
don't
know
here
is
warehouse
warehouse
wholesale
sales.
You
know
like
yeah,
can
you
can
you
drop
this
down
into
maybe
brackets
of
five
or
ten,
and
they
can
choose
I
want
this
one,
instead
of
having
40
they're,
really
only
looking
at
maybe
five
of
the
40s
right.
But
you
know
it's
like
here
that
helicopter
or
The
Landing
Pad
would
go
with
aircraft
manufacturing.
D
O
Spirit
of
trying
to
make
the
ordinance
better
that's
what
we've
all
been
focused
on
for
below
these
new
years
and
I
hope
the
ordinance
is
getting
easier.
Hopefully,
y'all's
meetings
are
getting
better.
We
have
a
ready-made
approach
to
do
just
exactly
what
you're
requesting
remember
in
the
use
table.
We
have
things
called
use
types,
and
then
we
have
things
called
use
categories
and
inside
the
categories
are
one
or
more
different
kinds
of
use
types.
O
So
we
could
explore
the
possibility
of
working
at
the
use
category
level
if
that
was
something
that
you
guys
wanted
to
do.
I
think
it'll
make
your
meetings,
maybe
a
little
bit
quicker
and
easier,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
going
to
make
that
much
difference
for
the
caliber
of
the
proposal
and
I
worry
that
using
the
use
categories
is
probably
going
to
confuse
the
public.
So
that's
I
would
ask
you.
Let
us
talk
about
that.
O
O
G
But
they're
going
to
be
better
I
promise
on
that
thought
and
I
groupings
and
I
like
the
idea,
I
think
the
staff
this
limit,
the
The
Limited
use
thing
seems
to
be
working
exceptionally
well
and
I
rather
I
mean
we
can't
necessarily
enough
for
the
groupings
or
whatever,
but
I
mean
I'm
just
making
an
assumption
here.
That
I
think
that
you
guys
are
guiding
the
applicants.
G
C
No,
so
staff
doesn't
meet
with
the
applicants
on
an
informal
basis.
Obviously
the
choice
of
what
they're
seeking
is
theirs.
We
can
offer
guidance,
we
can
offer
suggestions,
but
it's
their
it's
their
call
at
the
end
of
the
day,
in
terms
of
which
uses
they're,
proposing
I.
Think
this
example
of
what
happened
tonight
with
with
Keck
was
was
a
great
example
where
the
public
came
out
and
the
public
whose
you
know
adjacent
to
the
properties,
had
concerns
regarding
uses.
H
O
Well,
that's
a
good
question.
You
know
we,
the
the
the
Udo,
establishes
a
series
of
zoning
districts
across
the
city's
jurisdiction
and
I
believe
there's
what
15
16
of
them,
plus
or
minus.
So
if
the
full
range
of
uses
that
you
could
ever
conceive
has
to
has
to
slot
within
those
15
or
16
different
designations
that
we
have
and
that's
why
there's
so
many
different
uses,
we
try
to
be
sufficiently
broad
so
that
people
aren't
coming
before
the
city
saying
I.
B
O
Do
this
use
there's
no
District?
That
would
allow
me
to
do
that.
So
we
we
work
on
an
approach
to
zoning
District
designations
that
allow
us
to
accommodate
as
many
potential
uses
as
possible,
and
that's
usually
how
the
zoning
process
works.
We
added
the
limited
use
process
and
recognition
of
applicants
who
said
I
don't
want
to
go
through
a
plan
development
process.
I
don't
want
to
spend
all
of
that
money.
Negotiating
I
just
want
to
do
this.
One
use,
or
this
two
use
or
this
three
use-
do
we
have
a
vehicle
for
that?
O
O
H
Sure
that
I've
answered
your
question
well
well,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
this
is
a
light
industrial
estate
I
mean
he
told
you
what
he
was
thinking
about,
and
but
there
are
many
people
who
come
in
and
said:
they're
just
sort
of
buying
a
blind
and
they
wrote
no,
which
makes
you
think
they
just
don't
want
to
tell
you
what
it
is
because
and
why
not?
Why
are
they
able
to
do
that?
Just
camouflage
it
within
40
or
50
different
categories?
Well,.
O
There
are
lots
of
examples
across
the
state
of
communities
that
that
do
conditional
zoning
District
or
a
limited
use.
Zoning
District,
where
the
range
of
uses
is
limited
voluntarily
by
the
applicant,
so
that
that
option
is
there,
but
generally
speaking
here
in
North
Carolina,
when
you
establish
a
zoning
District,
you
are
allowed
authorized
to
accommodate
any
other
ways.
O
City
would
allow
to
be
in
that
District
I
mean
that's
just
you
were
right
under
that
zoning.
District
designation.
Can
you
change
it?
Yes,
but
if
you
change
it
then
you're
going
to
have
more
people
coming
in
and
saying
I
can't
fit.
My
use
in
this
zoning
District
I
have
to
re-zone
or
I
need
you
to
do
a
text
amendment
to
write
this
new
zoning
district
for
this
use
that
I
can't
have
in
the
suite
of
districts
that
you
have
today,
so
that
will
invariably
result
in
more
work
on
your
part,
not
less
well.
D
In
here
with
45
other
suppose,
juices
well,
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
we
all
understand
that
a
lot
of
times
these
are
done
to
bail
what
we're
going
to
do
because
it
may
affect
the
cost
of
my
property.
If
somebody
knows
what
I'm
going
to
do
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
keep
my
cards
close
to
my
just
like
a
city
doesn't
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
we're
working
on
building
Mercedes,
because
Greensboro
finds
out
they're
going
to
come
in
and
try
to
sweep
it
up.
D
D
You
can
you
categorize
these
into
groups
and
say
that
somebody
sits
there
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
building
an
office
we're
not
going
to
put
in
airports
or
things
like
that
or
we're
going
to
put
in
storage
buildings.
So
I'm
about
you
know
we're
limited
to
these
number
of
uses.
I
I
understand,
I,
agree
with
you
and.
B
B
D
Disagree
with
you
in
that
I
think
the
public
would
appreciate
it
more
because
if
you
limited
it
now,
they
know
there's
not
going
to
be
a
whole
hell
of
port
or
there's
not
going
to
be.
You
know
this
that
and
the
other
they're,
probably
okay,
with
what
might
be
left.
But
if
you
throw
out
45
they're
going
to
panic
until
they
narrow
it
down
to
something
that
they
don't
concern
themselves
for
sure.
O
Noted
and
we'll
we'll
continue
to
I
I
get
your
point,
which
is
be
consistent
with
the
intent
of
this,
which
is
to
limit
the
random
uses,
understood
back
on
the
clock.
Thank
you.
We've
added
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
as
a
means
of
providing
as
an
example
for
a
plan.
Development,
District
enhancement.
Remember
that,
for
the
plan
development,
the
expectation
is
that
you
exceed
the
minimum
standards
that
would
apply
to
another
conditional
zoning
or
conventional
zoning
District.
O
So
one
of
the
ways,
one
of
the
examples
of
how
you
might
do
that
is
including
EV
charging
stations,
we've
also
included
them
as
a
sustainable
development
incentive.
If
you
provide
EV
charging
stations
and,
frankly
other
forms
of
sustainable
development
incentives
in
chapter
seven,
then
you
can
Avail.
Yourselves
of
you,
know
increased
density
or
increase
height
or
some
other
kind
of
relief
under
the
organ
there's
an
incentive
there.
O
Those
EV
charging
stations
have
been
brought
in
under
that
that
rubric
we've
added
tiny
homes
as
a
use
type
to
the
ordinance,
and
there
are
three
flavors
of
them.
There
is
a
tiny
home
that
is
manufactured
elsewhere
and
brought
on
site
it's
on
a
chassis
and
it's
usually
put
on
a
permanent
foundation.
So
it's
very
much
like
a
mobile
home,
okay
or
a
manufactured
home.
The
difference
is
it's
much
smaller.
We
have
capped
the
size
at
500
square
feet.
O
Then
you
have
this
thing
called
movable,
tiny
homes.
These
are
tiny
homes,
like
you
see,
on
HGTV
or
on
television.
People
have
wheels
on
these
things
and
they
tow
them
around.
Okay,
so
we're
recognizing
that
there
are
these
things
out.
There
called
movable
dining
rooms
that
people
want
to
keep
the
wheels
on.
That's
fine,
the
thing
to
know
there
is
that's
a
vehicle,
it's
not
a
building,
and
therefore
there
are
the
standards
that
apply
to
recreational
vehicles,
apply
to
movable
signing
UPS,
so
it
has
a
license
on
it.
O
A
site
built
tiny
home,
which
is
one
that
you
would
actually
stick
fill
or
a
modular,
because
we
treat
those
the
same
on-site
and
again,
it
is
subject
to
the
that
500
square
foot,
maximum
size
limitation
and
so
to
to
just
kind
of
this
is
our
initial
entree
into
allowing
tiny
homes
in
the
city.
We're
doing
it,
because
we've
heard
a
lot
from
a
lot
of
different
people
about
the
housing
crisis
and
the
lack
of
housing
units
that
are
available
across
the
city.
So
we
want
to
incorporate
these.
Are
these
groundbreaking
rules?
O
No.
This
is
our
first
sort
of
four
eight
foray
into
it,
and
we've
taken
I
think
I
would
say
a
very
conservative
approach.
For
example,
we
only
allow
manufactured
tiny
homes
in
the
same
district
where
you
could
do
manufactured
homes
and,
of
course,
conditional
residential
side
of
built.
Tiny
homes
are
permissible
wherever
you
wanted
to
build
a
single-family
detached
home,
so
that
would
be
machined
there
and
then,
if
the
movable
only
permitted
inside
of
the
GB
district
and
the
conditional
industrial
like
a
recreational
vehicle
park,
okay,
we've.
B
O
O
H
O
House
that
is
correct
could
could
I
have
a
tiny
home
in
my
backyard
as
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
and
the
answer
to
the
question
is
yes:
if
that's
permitted
in
the
zoning
District,
where
accessory
dwelling
units
are
permitted
and
that,
yes,
you
could
How
about
if
they
were
therapies,
short-term
rentals,
that
is,
that
is
a
different
matter
right
now.
Today
we
do
not
have
any
standards
in
the
Udo
to
regulate
short-term
rentals.
O
We
have
talked
quite
a
bit
with
laugh
about
going
into
and
addressing
some
short-term
rental
issues.
We
may
not
have
a
registry
okay,
so
that
means
we
can't
keep
track
of
who's.
Doing
a
short-term
rental.
That's
not
permitted
under
North
Carolina
law.
We
could
have
some
enforcement
Provisions
in
place.
You'll
probably
need
to
hire
10,
maybe
12
additional
enforcement
Personnel
to
to
enforce
those
regulations
on
nights
and
weekends,
because
so
it's
it's.
It's
definitely
something
to
think
about.
It's
definitely
something
to
walk
into
carefully.
O
O
This
this
is
not
a
finished
wall,
yet
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
with
this,
and
the
general
assembly
is
regularly
changing
and
bringing
forth
proposed
legislation
again
seeking
to
exempt
local
government
Authority
on
these
used
bikes,
and
so
as
that
continues,
you
know
if,
if
a
bill
does
pass,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
regulate
them
at
all,
just
have
to
keep
our
super
eye
on
things.
It's
a
great
question
and
I
wish
I
had
a
better
answer,
but
we
just
we're
just
not
there
as
a
society.
O
D
O
A
lot
of
time,
looking
at
the
internet
of
The
Institute
of
traffic
engineering
parking
standards,
and
the
sense
is
that
that
additional
guest
parking
requirement
is
overly
expensive.
It's
not
necessary
it's
creating
more
impervious
surface
than
we
need,
and
that
you
know
I
would
just
tell
you
generally
there's
a
movement
across
planning.
That's
been
in
place
for
years
to
reduce
the
number
of
off-street
parking
spaces
required.
It's
very
consumptive
of
land,
it's
very
expensive
and
it's
frankly
not
needed
in
many
cases,
so
we're
suggesting
that
that
guest
space
requirement
be
removed
from
attached
to
residential.
O
We
have
increased
the
floor
area,
farmers
market
that
would
require
a
parking
space.
It's
currently
300,
we've
bumped
it
up
to
600
right,
so
that
makes
it
that
you
have
to
have
fewer
parking
spaces
for
a
farmer's
market
and
then,
finally,
just
some
additional
clarity
about
some
kinds
of
non-residential
uses
that
are
exempt
from
bike
parking
standards
like
you're,
not
going
to
run
a
bike
at
Home,
Depot,
necessarily
or
you're,
not
going
to
ride
your
bike
to
maybe
a
warehouse
facility,
or
something
like
that.
O
So
the
likelihood
that
you
need
bike
parking
spaces
is
it's
limited
and
reduced,
and
so
we've
made
those
adjustments
in
the
in
the
ordinance
in
the
bike
parking
section
based
on
what
we
saw
in
ite:
okay,
okay,
ability
to
use
prohibited,
exterior
materials
on
secondary
facades
Okay.
So
under
the
commercial
design
standards,
we
have
a
Litany
of
use
of
exterior
materials
that
are
not
permitted
on
primary
facades,
smooth
face
concrete
block:
that's
not
painted
galvanized
metal,
unpainted
plywood.
These
are
examples
of
materials
that
would
not
be
permissible
on
primary
building
facades.
Okay,.
O
There
is
a
movement
afoot
in
the
construction
industry
to
incorporate
more
metal
plating
for
buildings,
not
the
metal
cladding
of
today's
Butler
Building
and
not
galvanized
metal
like
you
would
see
on
somebody's
barn,
but
rather
something
in
between,
but
it's
very
complicated
and
it's
very
hard
to
understand
when
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
popular
material
or
how
you
work
with
it.
All
of
these
things
are
coming
we're
having
challenges
with
applicants
who
are
wanting
to
use
this
prohibited
material
on
the
secondary
facade.
O
What's
the
secondary
facade,
it's
the
sides
of
the
building
or
the
rear
of
the
building.
If
you
can
see
that
building
facade
on
the
street
or
from
public
Parkland,
okay,
what
we
want
to
do
is
split
the
difference
and
allow
people
to
use
these
prohibited
materials
on
secondary
facades
if
they
incorporate
the
higher
standard
for
articulation
and
the
higher
standard
for
Windows.
So
you
want
to
have
a
metal
building
on
the
sides.
That's
fine!
You
got
to
include
the
offset
projections
and
the
windows
that
we
would
require
for
a
primary
facade.
O
We
felt
like
that
was
a
fair
and
balanced
approach
to
this
yeah.
It's
prohibited,
but
we've
got
a
higher
quality
construction
anyway,
so,
hopefully
that's
an
improvement
flag.
Heights
we've
had
a
lot
of
requests
for
bigger
flags
and
essentially,
after
an
awful
lot
of
research,
we
are
suggesting
two
changes
to
Flags.
Okay
flags
are
treated
as
Signs
by
the
way.
The
first
change
is
increase
of
maximum
height
from
25
feet
to
30
feet.
Okay
and
the
second
is
an
increase
in
maximum
size
from
24
square
feet
to
40
square
feet.
O
40
square
foot
flag
is
a
five
by
eight
flag.
95
of
the
flags
you've
ever
seen
in
your
life
are
five
by
eight
or
less.
There
are
a
couple
of
differences
they're
out
there,
you've
seen
them
on
the
side
of
the
interstate,
but
by
and
large
most
flags
are
five
by
eight
or
smaller,
which
is
a
40
square
foot
plaque.
So
we
feel
like
this
is
right
on
target
with
the
vast
vast
majority
of
flags
that
are
out
there.
Okay,
this
is
for
all
types
of
plants.
This
is
for.
O
This
is
for
all
types
of
flags
that
are
regulated
by
the
organs:
okay
government
Flags,
which
are
flags
that
are
flown
by
a
government
institution
or
on
property
owned
by
a
government
institution,
are
exempt
from
the
signed
rules.
Okay,
we
do
not
regulate
American
flag,
North
Carolina,
flag
City
of
Burlington
flag,
because
to
do
so
would
require
us
to
read
see
the
flag,
we're
not
allowed
to
regulate
content.
We
have
content-based
sign
ordinance,
which
means
we
can't
say.
O
American
flags
can
be
this
big
and
everybody
else
can
be
that
big,
because
that
requires
staff
to
see
the
flag
to
regulate
it
and
that's
a
content-based
standard
which
is
not
constitutional
under
the
reboot
from
a
few
years
ago.
It's
a
great
question
sometime
when
you,
when
you're
really
bored,
we
can
talk
about
the
the
decision
in
V
Gilbert
and
what
that's
done
to
sign
regulations.
It's
definitely
something.
O
O
Standard
military
flag:
what
would
what
would
the
square
footage
be?
47.5,
I
think,
I
think
we
could
make
the
adjustment
to
48
square
feet.
If
that's
something
that
you
wanted
to
suggest
as
part
of
the
motion,
we
can
absolutely
incorporate
that,
and
what
we
would
request
be
done
is
that
that
that
request
we
rolled
into
your
motion
and
that
we
share
that
with
the
elected
officials
that
you
know,
Planning
and
Zoning
thinks
these.
O
O
Okay,
we've
got
a
few
more
to
cover.
These
are
a
little
bit
easier
when
we
drafted
the
Udo,
for
you
guys
would
be
planning
in
Community
Development
Department,
which
you're
not
anymore,
now
you're
the
planning
department.
So
we
made
those
changes.
There
was
a
bit
of
clarity
necessary
in
the
MDR
and
HDR
districts
regarding
zero
lot
line
setbacks
for
single-family
attached
juices.
O
In
other
words,
you
couldn't
have
a
zero
lot
line,
setback
for
a
townhouse
in
those
two
districts
which
is
wrong,
and
so
we've
corrected
that
we're
making
a
reduction
or
we're
removing
the
maximum
multi-family
building
length
standard,
which
is
250
linear
feet
in
cases
when
that
multi-family
building
includes
a
Central,
Dining
or
Central
recreation
facility
in
the
structure.
Okay.
So
if
you
have
a
Central,
Dining,
Room
Central
Rec
facility,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
maximum
building
length.
O
O
O
Okay,
so,
like
I,
said
some
creative
reading
that
we've
seen
recently
and
that
standard
is
proposed
to
address
some
of
that
creative
reading,
40-foot
type
P
buffers
along
interstates,
so
it
along
4085
and
off
ramps,
we're
requiring
type
D,
40
foot
wide,
Landscaping
buffer,
also
along
railroad
rights,
of
way.
Okay,
a
couple
of
minor
typos
on
pages
5-114
and
7-6.
Yes,
we're
still
dealing
with
them,
but
there's
only
two.
This
time
banners
type
of
sign.
O
Our
current
provision
says
your
banner
length
is
tied
to
the
span
of
your
building
your
front
building
facade,
and
this
was
proving
to
be
complicated,
overly
complicated
and
after
a
lot
of
discussion
with
code
enforcement,
we
made
the
decision
to
suggest
a
10
foot
maximum
for
banners:
okay,
instead
of
using
the
facade
length
ratio.
So
if
you
want
a
banner
in
Burlington-
and
you
guys
approve
this
amendment,
then
your
banner
could
be
10
feet
long
or
less
okay,
another
creative
reading,
a
passive
open
space.
O
We
are
suggesting
that
passive,
open
space
not
being
Incorporated
in
a
subdivision
in
ways
that
allow
applicants
to
reduce
the
street
setbacks.
What
we
were
seeing
was
people
plotting,
narrow
strips
of
passive
open
space
in
order
to
be
set
back
from
the
open
space.
The
the
two
or
three
feet:
that's
required
from
the
from
the
open
space,
but
they're
still
within
what
would
normally
be
the
street
setback,
so
that
sort
of
was
a
workaround
to
our
street
setbacks.
We
are
closing
that
loophole,
so
that's
what
that
standard
is
for.
O
Finally,
some
other
clarification
secondary
building
walls
are
walls
that
are
visible
from
streets
and
public
Recreation
lands,
not
just
those
that
face
okay.
So
that's
an
important
distinction.
You're
driving
down
the
road
you
look
over
to
one
side
or
the
other.
You
do
see
some
of
the
side
of
the
building.
It
is
visible
to
you
from
the
public
realm.
The
standards
currently
say
fix,
and
that
was
a
problem
that
wasn't
working.
So
what
we've
done
for
clarity's
sake
is
clarify
that
if
that
wall
is
visible,
then
it's
a
secondary
building.
Okay,
all
right
questions.
O
O
O
I
O
Are
it's
not
treated
as
a
as
a
principle
or
an
accessory
use?
It's
just
treated
as
a
site
feature.
So
there
are
no
district-based
limitations
on
where
you
can
have
the
mail
or
where
you
could.
If
you've
got
a
building
wall,
you
can
have
a
mural
there.
There
are
some
mural
standards
that
are
in
place,
but
we
don't
treat
it
as
a
use
type.
O
O
O
Discusses
necessary
if
we
need
to
we're
anticipating
going
to
city
council
work
session
on
11
14
22.
One
of
the
suggestions
would
be
if
you
want
so
chose
that
we
would
bump
flag
size
up
from
40
to
48,
and
we
have
notes
about
your
request
to
figure
out
a
way
to
Fetter
limited
use,
applications
to
fewer
than
you
know
to
some
kind
of
manageable
limit.
So
we'll
think
about
that
and
share
that
with
with
Council.
A
A
G
C
O
Worked
very
hard
down
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
to
see
the
last
updated
date
so
that
everybody
knows
exactly
where
we
are
in
terms
of
keeping
crime
and
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
not
a
bad
idea
for
you
guys
to
get
you
know,
maybe
a
paper
copy
of
a
year
or
so,
but
that's
obviously
nothing
to
do
with
me.
Okay
questions
is
there
a
motion.
G
G
D
What
I'm
saying
they're
helping
to
search
all
the
things
and
play
whole
Heights
a
40-foot
flag
pole
should
support
a
six
foot
by
ten
foot.
Black
back
to
60
square
feet
and
maximum
is
eight
by
twelve
and
the
the
flag
should
be.
If
a
single
flag
is
on
a
pole,
the
flag
length
should
be
one-fourth.
The
height
the
height
of
pole,
so
you're
talking
about
a
10
foot
long
by
six
foot
wide
flag
would
be
appropriate
size
for
a
40-foot
light
bulb.
D
D
O
Never
been
our
intent
again,
you
know
when
we
were
handed
this
ruling
from
the
from
the
Supreme
Court.
We
can
no
longer
make
distinctions
between
the
state
flag
or,
or
you
know,
the
United
States,
and
so
we
can.
We
can
allow
a
10
by
six,
you
know
American
flag
or
we
can
allow
a
ten
by
six,
but
that
is
great
a
flag
and
that's
you
know,
that's
I
mean
that's
the
the
world
that
we're
operating
in
and
that's
why
you're
seeing
those
limitations
on
flags
it's.
B
O
O
I
would
suggest
we
go
with
a
set
number
so
that
so
the
staff
is
now
there
trying
to
administer
this
and
having
to
measure
with
an
inclinometer
how
tall
the
flagpole
is.
I.
Think
it's
better
for
us
to
just
set
a
standard,
and
you
know
have
that
standard,
be
you
know
a
level
that
you're
that
you're
that
you're
comfortable
with,
but
that
doesn't
require
staff
to
have
special
to.