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From YouTube: Planning Commission Regular Meeting - 06/21/2023
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be
moderating
this
evening.
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meeting
is
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both
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and
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attending
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If
you're
attending
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a
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B
You
would
like
to
ask
a
question
or
make
a
comment
when
asked:
please
use
the
raising
and
function
or
starvine
and
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called
upon
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to
identify
yourself
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record
and
speak
if
you're
attending
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and
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into
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section.
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E
C
A
All
this
all
right.
Next,
we
have,
on
the
agenda
item
number
five
recognitions:
a
person's
attending
the
meeting
tonight
from
Planning
and
Zoning.
We
hit
the
direct
America
quote.
We
have
Judy
Maple
wrecker
zoning
Carolyn,
sundon
Sunderland,
deputy
director
of
planning,
Jenny
public
Jenny,
Plummer,
Welker
long-range
planner.
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F
Okay,
I'm,
just
hoping
I
have
a
little
better
luck
with
this
remote,
so
bear
with
me
please.
My
name
is
Olivia
vedato,
I'm,
planner
and
planning
and
zoning.
This
is
for
csbr142-871
the
conceptual
site
plan
for
Calvert
Hills
phase
two
in
Prince
Frederick
for
35
unit
Apartments.
Thank
you
for
whoever
is
doing
the
screen
for
me.
I
appreciate
that.
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F
F
F
Next
one,
please
thank
you,
so
this
is
an
aerial,
so
you
can
see
where
Prince
verdict
Boulevard
was
updated
with
the
roundabout
when
they
did
the
first
phase
of
Calvert
Hills.
You
can
also
see
where
Calvert
Hills
Road
is
built
just
past
the
entrance
into
phase
one
and
will
be
continued
on
as
part
of
this
development
and
you'll
see
that
in
the
next
slide,
as
well,
I
believe
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
F
This
is
just
a
reference
for
you
all.
Those
shows
Calvert
Hills
phase,
one
also
Calvert
Hills
Road,
like
I,
was
talking
about,
and
this
is
a
site
plan
for
what
we
are
reviewing
tonight,
phase
two
and
you
can
see
where
the
road
will
be
extended
and
there
is
another
entrance.
So
there
will
actually
be
two
entrances
for
this
project.
It
will
act
as
a
whole
cow
Hills
phase.
One
and
phase
two
will
look
and
act
as
one
large
development,
so
it
is
in
Prince
Frederick.
F
F
This
is
a
joint
proposal
of
lots
to
our
m3r
joint
application,
so
the
total
acreage
of
the
two
lots
is
5.97
Acres
Prince,
Frederick
density
is
14
units
or
Lots
per
acre,
which
would
yield
83
units
or
Lots.
This
middle
is
only
for
35
units
and
it
will
require
transfer
development
rights
above
the
base,
allowed
density
of
one
unit
or
a
lot
per
acre
phase.
F
One
and
phase
two
will
share
the
existing
and
proposed
Recreation
areas
open
space,
the
existing
Clubhouse
and
all
of
the
amenities
phase,
one
provided
above
the
amenities,
anticipating
an
additional
phase
of
development.
So
the
open
space
requirement
for
the
35
units
is
0.05
acres
per
unit
for
a
total
of
1.75
Acres.
F
F
They
are
required
playing
fields
or
Village
greens,
a
mini
Park
paved
areas
which
is
the
sidewalks
and
the
paths
they
meet
or
exceed
all
of
those
requirements
based
on
a
collective
of
what
was
over
in
Phase
One.
And
what
is
being
provided
additionally?
With
this
phase,
the
indoor
community
space
is
provided
via
the
existing
Clubhouse,
so
for
parking
they
were
required
to
provide
for
the
number
of
one-bedroom
units
that
they
have
the
number
of
two
and
three
bedroom
units
and
then
a
15
overflow.
F
They
also
had
to
replace
existing
parking
spaces
from
phase
one
which
were
being
removed
so
that
they
can
make
the
connection
through,
what's
already
there
into
the
new
phase.
So
another
10
additional
spaces
were
required
for
a
total
of
78
spaces.
They
are
providing
two
electric
charging
stations
and
based
on
the
ordinance,
they
do
get
credit
for
that.
So
the
total
requirement
of
parking
space
is
a
76.
They
are
providing
79
so
they're
over
and
three
of
those
are
Ada
van
accessible.
F
F
F
Recording
information
shall
be
included
on
the
cover
sheet
of
the
detailed
site
development
plan
number
two,
any
significant
deviations
between
this
plan
and
the
detailed
site
development
plan
with
regard
to
the
layout
design
or
standards,
including,
but
not
limited
to
Road
alignment
and
access,
road
construction,
interior
vehicle
vehicular
circulation
and
parking
stormwater
management
facilities
and
or
building
type
size
or
configuration
will
require
resubmittal
of
a
revised
conceptual
site
plan
for
review
and
comment
by
the
applicable
agencies
and
reapproval
by
the
Planning
Commission
or
its
designee.
Before
the
details,
site
development
plan
can
move
forward.
F
Number
three
approval
of
this
plan
by
the
plan.
Commission
shall
constitute
a
conditional
approval
of
the
proposed
development
as
to
the
character,
use,
intensity
and
basic
compliance
with
the
applicable
plans
and
ordinances,
but
does
not
guarantee
final
approval
of
the
detailed
site
development
plan.
F
Approval
of
the
CSP
application
must
be
obtained
prior
to
the
submittal
of
that
detailed
site
development
plan
number.
Four.
All
outstanding
comments
from
this
review
shall
be
addressed
with
the
detailed
site
development
plan.
Submittal
number
five
cspr-142871
shall
expire
12
months
after
it
has
been
granted
approval
unless
a
detailed
site
development
plan
application
has
been
accepted
by
the
department
of
planning
and
sending
for
distribution
and
review.
F
F
G
F
So
they
did
a
lot
of
their
amenities
with
Recreation
areas
and
open
space
and
the
trails
and
all
on
the
first
phase.
They
had
a
larger
area
and
they
were
planning
ahead
at
that
time
for
phase
two.
There
are
some
areas.
If
you
look
to
the
northwest,
it's
open
space,
it's
part
of
the
green
area.
This
is
a
concept
plan,
so
I
believe
at
the
detailed
site
plan.
F
There
may
be
more
information
provided
of
what
they'll
use
in
that
space
and
that's
like
the
top
left
corner
right
next
to
the
parking
area,
but
the
majority
of
Recreation,
whether
it's
using
the
clubhouse,
the
existing
Trails,
which
will
also
connect
I,
think,
is
going
to
be
more
centrally
focused
into
phase
one
and,
like
I,
said
it's
going
to
look
and
act
when
it's
completed
like
one
community,
it
would
be
almost
as
if
they
came
in
with
all
of
this
and
broke
it
down
into
two
separate
phases,
as
they
did.
The
construction.
E
E
F
So
those
advisories
had
more
to
do
with
the
stormwater
management
and
it's
you
can
meet
stormwater
management
requirements,
but
Public
Works
May
advise
some
changes
that
they
think
would
be
more
Optimum
for
the
site
or
that
development.
But
if
they're
meeting
the
requirements
they
can't
it's
a
advisory
request
at
their
option
to
make
any
of
those
changes.
If
they're
meeting
the
requirements,
they
can't
say.
Well,
you
really
have
to
do
this.
It's
just
sort
of
their
input.
F
It's
actually
a
rather
large
group
of
people.
You
have
inspectors
that
will
be
out
there
at
different
stages,
while
it's
under
construction,
whether
it's
for
grading,
the
footings,
your
buildings,
Electrical,
Plumbing,
everything
along
those
lines,
Water
and
Sewer.
You
also
have
myself
going
out
looking
at
the
amenities,
the
Landscaping.
F
The
developer
has
to
keep
things
moving
along
with,
what's
on
the
site,
plan,
approval
and
the
permits
and
being
conscious
of
the
expiration
dates
that
are
tied
to
this
as
well.
So
it's
all
a
collective
and
some
things
trigger
other
things
being
done,
and
sometimes
some
things
have
to
wait
until
other
things
are
done.
So
it's
a
it's
like
playing
dominoes.
Almost
what.
F
F
You
want
one
on
your
fill
so
that
you
balance
it
doesn't
always
work
out
that
way,
knowing
that
you're
coming
in
with
another
phase,
sometimes
you
may
already
be
aware:
okay,
I'm
going
to
have
excess
I,
don't
want
to
have
it
hauled
off.
That's
a
cost.
I
know
on
my
next
phase,
I'm
going
to
need
that.
So
you
have
a
stockpile
now,
I
believe
and
I'm
sure
the
engineer
can
answer
this
better
and
the
developer.
You
still
have
to
provide
erosion
and
sediment
control.
F
F
I,
don't
believe
that
in
this
case,
because
I've
gone
out
there
on
I
saw
it
when
I
went
out
there
doing
the
Landscaping
inspections
they
had.
You
know
the
cell
fence
and
everything
up
like
that
now
I
know.
Last
year
we
had
a
lot
of
hard
rains
and
all
but
I
believe
that
the
developer
did
keep
going
out
there
and
making
sure
that
that
was
intact
and
if
it
wasn't
redoing
that
area
but
again
they're
they're
both
here
and
can
speak
better
to
that.
C
C
A
Thank
you.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
item
eight
major
subdivision
applications
for
preliminary
review
and
action.
We
do
not
have
any
tonight
and
then
we
have
number
nine
long-range
planning
item
a
Dunkirk,
Town,
Center,
Master,
Plan
update
and
just
as
a
reminder
before
we
get
started.
If
we
could
have
everybody
speak
into
their
microphones,
please
Jenny.
The
floor
is
yours.
D
J
Good
evening
Jenny
Plummer
Walker
long-range
planner
I'm
here
to
present
the
spring
draft
of
the
Dunkirk
Town
Center
master
plan.
It
is
the
staff's
draft.
I
would
like
to
recognize
my
co-workers,
who
have
been
instrumental
in
working
with
me
to
get
this
to
you
and
that
would
be
Jessica
gatano,
planner2
who's
joining
us
virtually
and
also
cat
Lockwood
planner.
Sorry
I've
got
the
Jessica
planner3
and
Kat
who's
recently
been
promoted
to
planner
two
she's
joined
us
in
person.
J
So
thank
you.
You
received
my
memo
in
advance
of
tonight's
meeting
I've.
Given
you
the
draft
this
evening.
The
plan
is
to
present
the
draft
to
you
at
your
regular
meeting
in
a
work
session
on
July
19th
I'll,
be
joined
by
staff
from
other
departments
and
then,
if
needed,
to
carry
that
over
to
the
next
Wednesday.
The
planning
commission's
fourth
Wednesday
on
July
16th.
J
Only
if
needed,
the
Planning
Commission
endorsed
a
three-phased
plan,
a
three-phase
process
to
update
the
Town
Center
Master
plans.
Dunkirk,
you
directed
us
to
move
into
phase
two
and
I
reached
out
to
staff
from
other
County
departments
and
other
outside
agencies
to
prepare.
The
draft
names
are
noted
in
the
CC
list
on
your
memo
and
I'd
like
to
also
add,
because
I
did
not
include
them.
A
champ
Thomas
Cutty
of
the
Carroll
County
Health
Department
and
Cara
Buck
Buckmaster
from
Emergency
Management
and
Ashley
Greeley
from
Department
of
Economic
Development
on
the
inside.
J
Cover
of
your
draft
includes
a
variety
of
of
staff
from
inside
the
county
and
outside
including
Calvert
County,
Public
Schools,
as
I
mentioned,
Calvert
County,
Health,
Department,
Calvert,
Health,
Calvert,
Library,
Calvert,
County,
Sheriff's,
Office
and
then
County
Departments
of
I,
upgraded
them
to
a
department.
Communications
and
media
relations
actually
comes
under
the
county,
administrator's
office,
the
Department
of
Community
Resources
Economic,
Development,
Parks
and
Recreation
Planning
and
Zoning
Public,
Safety,
Public,
Works
and
Technology
services.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
staff
who
have
worked
hard
to
get
this
draft
to
you.
J
What
I'd
like
to
note
is
that
at
the
work
session,
if
you
could
come
with
questions
for
staff
and
we'd,
be
glad
to
answer
them
we'll
go
through
in
detail.
Well,
not
too
much
detail
but
hit
the
highlights
for
the
different
chapters.
The
Planning
Commission
had
asked
us
to
take
us
a
close
look
at
economic
vitality
and
transportation,
and
also
like
land
use
and
Redevelopment.
J
J
I
K
Finding
and
Zoning
staff
received
a
textum
application
for
Mr
Elton
on
behalf
of
his
client
Weiss
markets,
Inc
requesting
text
amendment
to
allow
for
automobile
filling
stations
as
a
conditionally
permitted
use
within
the
village
commercial
sub
District
of
the
Lusby
Town
Center.
The
applicant
states
that
the
location
of
the
property
and
the
increased
traffic
is
the
state
of
fuel.
H
K
K
K
In
the
current
zoning
ordinance,
the
automobile
filling
station
is
classified
under
Section
3-2.03
Lusby
table
of
Lane
uses
motor
vehicle
and
related
Services.
Currently
this
is
a
conditionally
permitted
use
already
in
the
neighborhood
commercial,
as
well
as
the
village
Edge,
some
districts
of
the
Lusby
Town
Center,
but
not
where
the
Weiss
Market
is
located,
which
is
within
the
village
commercial
sub-district
in
so
on.
The
next
slide
is
the
existing
Lusby
use
chart.
So
you
can
see
that
for
an
automobile
filling
station,
one
and
two
a
station
with
convenience
store
or
eating
establishment.
K
K
Staff
agrees
that
allowing
in
order
to
buy
permitting
an
automobile
filling
station
in
the
village
commercial
is
within
the
scope
of
that
subdistrict
when
equated
to
the
other
uses
already
permitted
in
the
village
commercial
as
compared
to
the
neighborhood
commercial
and
the
village.
Edge
sub
districts
so
that
on
the
next
slide,
this
is
the
listed
conditions
for
the
automobile
filling
station.
I
just
put
this
on
here
for
your
information.
These
conditions
are
not
proposed
to
be
changed
moving
forward
and
then
the
next
slide
is
the
proposed
text
Amendment
itself.
K
And
then
the
next
slide
is
our
recommendation
and
next
step
at
this
stage
in
the
public
adoption
process
we're
just
asking
or
requesting,
from
the
Planning
Commission
to
direct
staff,
to
send
out
the
proposed
text
amendment
to
receive
agency
comments.
We
would
then
return
to
you
and
to
review
those
comments
in
a
future
work
session.
D
Like
so
I
do
have
a
question:
it
states
well
a
double
State.
The
applicant
States,
the
location
property,
increased
traffic
necessitate
a
fuel
station
at
the
growth
in
the
area
and
customer
base
did
they
provide
any
evidence
to
show
that
there's
increased
traffic
and
growth
in
the
area?
Some
of
the
evidence
that
we've
seen
at
this
board,
such
as
the
numbers
from
the
Census
Bureau
or
the
numbers
from
the
school
board
concerning
the
schools
surrounding
that
area,
would
indicate
a
declined
population
in
that
area,
not
a
growth
that
they
submitted.
Anything
to
you
to
change.
K
H
K
G
G
G
L
Yes,
so
these
two
were
already
in
the
process,
so
they
met
the
four
o'clock
deadline
as
of
today
anything
submitted
and
just
for
your
information.
We
received
one
yesterday
as
well
so
we'll
be
bringing
that
forward,
but
anything
from
right
now
forward
will
be
considered
during
the
update
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
G
D
A
K
H
K
The
land
zoning
staff
received
a
text
Amendment
request
from
the
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
to
expand
accessory
uses
permitted
at
public
recreational
areas.
The
department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
is
interested
in
building
an
indoor
Recreational
facility
to
serve
the
needs
for
pickleball,
one
of
the
fastest
growing
Sports
in
the
state.
Over
recent
years,
the
county
has
experienced
an
increased
need
for
pickleball
facilities.
The
indoor
facility
will
also
allow
for
other
indoor
recreational
sport
activities
at
public
parks.
K
K
K
K
As
farming
forest
district,
however,
the
listed
condition
limits
permitted
buildings
to
those
accessory
to
the
primary
use,
which
includes
restrooms,
equipment,
storage
and
ground
maintenance.
The
condition
is
proposed
to
be
expanded
to
allow
for
any
building
that
is
associated
with
an
accessory
to
the
primary
use
to
include
recreational
facilities
and
community
centers.
K
So
the
next
slide
shows
the
same
chart
with
the
proposed
text
Amendment,
with
the
expanded
wording
for
the
condition
which
I
will
read
in
all
other
districts.
Only
buildings
that
are
associated
with
or
accessory
to
the
primary
use,
such
as
indoor
recreational
facilities,
community
centers,
restrooms
dressing
rooms,
equipment,
storage,
maintenance,
buildings,
open
area,
Pavilions,
accessory
offices
and
meeting
space
Etc
shall
be
permitted.
G
I
K
E
G
D
M
The
background
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
directed
the
Department
of
Public
Works
General
services
to
pursue
the
property
located
at
110
Main
Street,
Prince,
Frederick
Maryland
after
Army
Road
LLC,
the
property
owners
approached
the
county
administration's
office
of
their
intent
to
sell
the
property.
Sovereign
departments
will
not
be
moving
to
the
new
County
Administration
Building.
This
facility
offers
space
to
relocate
specific
staff,
departmental
staff,
title
3
and
3-205
of
the
land
use
article
of
the
Maryland
and
a
noted
code.
M
A
public
building
or
structure
or
a
public
utility
discussion,
the
subject
property,
which
is
parcel0605
on
tax,
mat
zero
zero.
Two
four
totals
approximately
1.34
Acres.
This
property
property
is
located
within
a
printed
Town
Center.
This
proposed
site
is
consistent
with
the
Carver
County
comprehensive
plan.
Physical
impact
option,
deposit
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Excuse
me
purchase
price
of
two
million.
Fifty
thousand
conclusion
and
recommendation.
M
The
Department
of
Public
Works
General
Services
recommend
that
the
Planning
Commission
find
the
proposed
acquisition,
together
with
the
building
and
improvements
they're
on
erected
at
110,
Main
Street,
Prince,
Frederick
Maryland,
consistent
with
the
adopted
Calvert
County,
comprehensive
plan,
chapter
10
government
and
Community
facilities
goal
one
objective:
3
10.1.3.4,
and
a
forward
recommendation
of
approval
for
the
site,
location
of
the
boccc
I'm.
Here.
To
answer
any
questions
you
may
have,
hopefully,.
M
E
M
M
When
I
spoke
to
Mr
oliphone
at
the
HVAC,
so
there's
four
HVAC
units
there
one's
already
had
a
compressor,
that's
been
replaced,
the
other
two
have
been
were
replaced
and
he
didn't
tell
me
what
gear.
But
there
was
an
incident
where
a
car
ran
through
the
stop
sign
where
the
yeah
I
guess
the
stop
sign
right
there
at
Church
Street,
and
they
had
to
replace
two
of
them
to
those
that
those
who
have
been
replaced.
Yes,
sir,.
E
E
H
M
G
M
N
Commissioners
can
I
jump
in
for
just
a
second,
please
there's
something
in
the
conclusion
that
I
think
we
actually
don't
afford
a
recommendation
for
the
approval
for
the
site
location
to
bocc.
All
at
this
point,
all
we're
doing
is
consistency
finding
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
any
motion
that's
made
its
only
consistency.
D
C
A
A
A
next
steps.
The
Planning
Commission
may
elect
to
take
one
of
the
following
actions:
direct
staff
to
reschedule
a
Planning
Commission
regular
meeting
from
August
16th
to
August
30th.
Accordingly,
option
two
combine
the
August
16
2023
meeting
into
the
September
20th
2023
meeting,
which
would
mean
that
the
Planning
Commission
would
not
hold
a
regular
meeting
in
August.
G
C
D
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Under
residential
percentage
of
total
units
in
the
PFA
we
had
68
percent
non-pfa,
32
percent
for
a
total
of
100
percent
for
commercial
Total
Building
square
feet,
which
is
gross,
was
180
630
square
feet,
non-pfa
165
918
square
feet
for
a
total
of
346
548
square
feet
for
total
lot
size,
which
is
net.
We
had
15.11.
A
A
At
this
time,
we'll
take
any
questions,
and
our
next
steps
with
this
were
are
to
adopt
the
2022
annual
report
as
presented
and
direct
staff,
to
send
the
report
to
mdp
and
copy
the
bocc
or
adopt
the
2022
annual
report
with
minor
modifications
and
direct
staff
to
send
the
report
to
mdp
and
copy
the
bocc
or
direct
staff
to
make
specified
changes
and
bring
back
to
the
2022
annual
report
for
reconsideration.
At
the
next
Planning
Commission
meeting.
O
D
B
P
C
P
Again,
I'm
Bob,
Estes,
representing
friends
of
Hunting,
Creek
and
I,
want
to
speak
again
about
the
phase
two
of
Calvert
Hills
Apartments
phase
one.
You
heard
a
little
bit
about
that
today
and
I
believe
some
of
you,
if
not
all
of
you,
have
gotten,
perhaps
read
the
my
notes
to
you
about
that
particular
property
and
what
it
did
to
the
environment.
You
have
to
understand
that
pollution
isn't
just
asbestos
or
oil.
P
The
sediment
from
that
phase,
one
specifically
from
the
the
stockpile
create
a
ravine
that
was
easily
over
a
hundred
yards
of
sediment
that
doesn't
count
the
sediment
that
came
off
of
the
came
off
of
the
stockpile,
so
I
would
say,
that's
probably
double
and
you
saw
what
it
does.
Downstream
kills
trees
if
we
had
a
macro
invertebrate
sample
you'd
find
that
that
would
probably
look
skewed
and
not
healthy
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
anything
you
all
can
do
about
it,
but
I
I
don't
know
who
can
do
anything
about
it?
There.
H
P
Silt
fence
all
the
way
around
that
stockpile
and
I
used
the
gis
to
find
out
what
the
area
of
that
stockpile
was.
It
was
over
an
acre
over
an
acre,
not
just
a
little
pile
of
dirt.
I
did
talk
to
Public,
Works
and
I
was
given
the
opinion
that
that
should
have
been
on
the
site
plan.
Not
only
should
the
stockpile
and
its
location
be
there,
but
the
specific
storm
water
management
required
to
handle
such
a
feature
should
have
also
been
part
of
the
site
plan
that
was
not
done.
P
Consequently,
I
filed
a
complaint
with
mde.
They
came
out
and
agreed
that
there
were
serious,
serious
lack
of
Maintenance
lack
of
attention
and,
in
fact-
and
this
is
all
part
of
the
record
so
I'm
not
making
any
of
this
up-
there
were
faked
reports,
they're
supposed
to
be
self
governing
to
some
extent
and
nde
was
not
able
to
do
their
job
either
because
they
didn't
have
the
personnel.
P
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
here
is
they
have
serious
damage
done?
Not
all
the
damage
was
fixed,
such
as
the
Ravine
that
the
outflow
and
what
what
happened
this
particular
design
was.
You
have
a
big
area
like
this,
and
you
saw
the
the
we
probably
haven't
seen
before
after
unless
I
included
it
I've
done
it.
In
many
other
cases,
forest
was
wiped
out
and
if
you
take
a
funnel
and
cut
it
in
half,
it
goes
down
like
that.
That
was
the
initial
Exit
Plan
for.
H
P
Of
the
water
and
sediment
and
whatever
else
could
flow
down
there,
a
very
poor
design
not
well
maintained
the
first
time
I
saw
it.
The
super
silk
fence
was
bent
over
about
35
40
degrees
and
completely
topped
over
by
by
sediment
that
went
down
the
stream,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
in
the
future.
You
know
demand
to
know
what
they're
doing
to
manage
all
storm
water.
Now,
on
the
other
side,
you
look
back
towards
the
apartments.
They
did.
P
A
beautiful
job
as
far
as
I
can
tell
time
will
tell,
but
they
had
all
the
bells
and
whistles
that
they
needed.
You
turn
the
other
direction
and
you
see
something
that
most
assuredly
not
only
harmed
the
environment
but
is
almost
unfixable
because
to
fix
it
would
have
required
heavy
equipment
and
probably
more
damage
than
it
was
worth
so
ask
those
questions.
You
know
if
you
have
anyone
that
you
want
to
pay
special
attention,
maybe
they'll
listen
to
you
to
to
make
sure
that
this
doesn't
happen.
P
I
know,
commissioner
Hance
is
has
a
heartfelt
need
to
do
better
than
we've
done
in
the
past,
as
he
as
he
voiced
at
the
Bernie
Fowler
weighed
in
and
I
know,
we
can
do
better,
but
we
have
to
be
vigilant.
We
can't
just
accept
good
enough.
We
have
to.
We
have
to
make
sure
we're
on
our
toes.
So
thank
you.
D
P
Addressed
they've
gotten
better,
they
lost
a
lot
of
people
due
to
retirement
and
pregnancy
that
happens
and,
and
they
were
also,
they
didn't
replace
those
people.
It
was
kind
of
part
of
the
gutting
of
mde
that
I'm
sure
we've
all
heard
about
and
they're
starting
to
build
up,
but
it
can't
be
instantaneous,
but
they
have
added
people
and
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
people
that
are
in
this
area
and
they're.
P
Job
but
the
people
doing
the
work
also
knew
that
mde
didn't
have
enough
people
and
they
took
advantage
of
that.
So
trust
if
you
will
but
check
and
I,
really
think
that
our
public
works
department
ought
to
also
re-engage
every
now
and
then
to
check
to
see
the
mde
is
doing
their
job
because
actually,
after
all,
they
are
a
subcontractor.