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D
We
have
three
closed
sessions
this
afternoon.
One
of
them
is
a
conference
with
legal
counsel,
existing
litigation.
That's
pursuant
to
government
code,
section
549-56.9
D1.
The
name
of
the
case
is
John
Frazier
versus
the
City
of
Camarillo.
The
case
number
in
the
Ventura
County
Superior
Court,
is
in
the
agenda.
A
second
closed
session
will
be
a
conference
of
legal
counsel
again
existing
legislative,
existing
litigation,
same
government
code
section.
The
name
of
this
case
is
opv
Coalition
versus
Fox
Canyon
groundwater.
That's
been
filed
in
the
Ventura
County
Superior
Court.
D
A
E
E
E
E
E
I
would
like
to
ask
remind
everybody
that
the
casa
conference
will
be
in
January
25th
through
27th.
You
haven't
set
the
calendar
for
next
year
that
might
conflict
with
a
a
council
meeting.
But
if
you
want
to
go
for
a
day
or
two,
you
can
learn
a
lot
I'm
sure
other
than
that.
If
there
are
no
other
comments,
we
will
recess
until
the
public
hearing
at
seven
o'clock.
A
F
F
G
May
I
make
a
comment
sure
on
one
of
the
items
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
item
t
was
really
great
to
get
a
an
update
of
where
we
are
on
our
goals
and
I
appreciated
that
report.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
do
you
want
to
second
the
amended
motion
all
right,
so
we
have
an
amended
Motion
in
a
second,
so
everyone
please
vote.
F
So
this
went
to
first
of
all,
compliments
to
the
finance
committee,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
policies
on
tonight
that
the
finance
committee
went
through
I,
guess
Mrs
as
I
read
the
utility
billing
insert
item
I
wondered
whether
or
not
we
might
want
to
consider
adding
a
sentence
into
the
policy
on
billing
inserts
that
would
match
what
we
have
on
Community
Service
events
and
that's
where
we
dealt
with
this
a
few
years
back
and
then
is
where
we
have
a
member
of
a
council
who
is
a
director
or
officer
of
that
non-profit
that
they
not
that
that
nonprofit
would
be
ineligible
for
that
funding.
F
F
I
just
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
I
about
not
that
it's
happened.
But
hypothetically
you
could
have
a
situation
where
a
council
member
is
a
director
or
an
officer
of
a
non-profit
and
keeps
coming
back
and
saying
we
want
of
several
different
non-profits
and
utilizes
their
influence
to
say,
hey.
We
want
Utility
Billing
inserts
for
this
nonprofit
that
I'm
involved
with
it's
a.
E
There's
a
lot
of
criteria,
you
have
to
be
a
non-profit.
You
have
to
have
an
something.
I,
don't
have
this
up
on
my
screen
over
here,
but
you
have
to
yeah
I
didn't
print
it
out.
You
have
to
be
a
non-profit.
E
Whatever
it
is
I'm
in
the
organ,
the
event
has
to
serve
Camarillo
residents.
It
has
to
be
something
that
is
of
no
cost
or
low
cost.
E
No
cost
no
cost
I,
don't
understand.
E
E
E
I
think
that
there's
a
distinction
here
if
a
member
of
the
board
of
directors
is
one
member
of
maybe
10
or
12
people
on
the
board,
they
may
decide
they
don't
need
that
person's
help
or
and
that
person
might
help
a
lot
with
with
the
event
I
I
see.
On
the
other
hand,
we're
not
giving
them
a
substantial
amount
of
money.
I
I
really,
in
my
mind,
make
a
distinction
between
giving
them
money
and
passing
this
out
and
I
do
understand.
E
We
are
making
a
contribution
by
allowing
this
to
go
in
as
an
answer
in
the
utility
bill.
E
However,
I
I
think
that
you
know
in
in
my
and
I'm
gonna
end
at
this,
but
I
I
think
it's
okay.
In
my
mind,.
F
I
ask
other
colleagues
well
I,
think
respectfully,
Mrs
Craven
just
made
my
my
primary
Point,
which
is
that
it
is
support
Financial
provided
by
the
city
to
the
non-profit
and
I.
Just
don't
want
a
situation
where
somebody
on
the
public
points
a
finger
at
a
council
member
and
says
hey.
They
got
a
utility
billing
insert
because
you
gotta,
because
you're
a
director
or
officer
on
that
on
that
organization.
F
C
You
know
received
this
I'm,
not
tracking,
where
the
conflict
potentially
could
be
other
than
the
fact
that
a
sitting
council
member
could
be
a
member
of
an
organization
and
may
bring
up
well
hey.
You
know
you
can
use
Utility
Billing
to
promote
an
event.
If
you
will,
they
can
do
that,
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
tracking,
with
all
the
criteria
that
we've
got
that
that's
any
different
than
anybody
else.
C
Having
that
opportunity
to
and
plus
my
understanding,
wasn't
it
that
if
you
are
a
sitting
council
member
you're
ought
not
to
be
if
you're
on
a
service
organization,
you
ought
not
to
be
on
the
executive
board
that
goes
about
makes.
You
know
these
decisions,
you
know
with
the
executive
board
and
not
just
a
regular
member,
so
I
guess
that's
where
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
stuff
I'm,
throwing
at
you
but
I'm,
not
tracking
how
this
really
gives
any
added
protection
to
what
there
already
is.
F
Right
my
response,
Mr
kildee-
is
that
I
could
be
a
member
of
a
non-profit.
I
may
not
be
an
officer
or
director
of
that
non-profit
organization.
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
some
sort
of
allegation
being
thrown
out
there
that,
because
a
council
member
is
an
officer
or
director
of
a
non-profit
that
there
they
are
influencing
City
staff
to
send
these
Utility
Billing
inserts
out
on
behalf
of
the
non-profit
organization
that
they
are
involved
with
Mrs
Craven
mentioned
Fiesta,
for
example.
F
E
E
They
might
even
take
Street
vacations,
but
that's
another
bunch
of
jokes,
I
I
think
you
can
be
way
too
wary.
There
is
nothing
you
can
do
up
here
that
doesn't
set
you
up
for
somebody
saying:
oh
that's
only
happening,
because
this
is
a
council
member
I
think
count.
We
can
also
set
it
up
so
that
council
members
can't
help
with
anything
or
offer
their
services
to
anything
because
we're
going
to
have
a
policy
that
makes
it
so
that
we're
saying
well,
hypothetically
somebody
May
criticize
this
or
that.
A
The
delineation,
you're
drawing
is
a
council
member
can
volunteer
a
council
member
can
contribute
and
a
council
member
can
do
a
lot
of
things
to
support
an
organization
and
can
be
a
member
can
be
a
member
of
that
respective
organization.
It's
just
if
they're
as
long
as
they're,
not
a
director
or
officer.
E
So,
if
you're
a
director
officer,
but
what,
if
you're
the
chairman
of
this
particular
event,
so
you
could
be
a
rotary
club
member,
not
an
officer
but
chairman
of
the
golf
tournament
or
something
or
something
else
that
they're
putting
on
that
is
free
to
the
community.
Golf
tournament
would
be
a
bad
bad
example,
because
that
you
caught
but
something
they're
doing
for
the
community
or
a
member
of
the
Lions
Club
who's
chairman
of
event,
and
therefore
that
event
would
not
be
able
to
is
so.
E
What's
the
distinction
of
being
a
chairman
of
being
a
a
an
officer
in
the
organization?
Well,.
F
F
Maybe
but
it
would
be
complete
that
would
be
unworkable.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
just
draw
a
line
here
and
say:
wait
a
minute
if
you're
an
officer
or
director
of
this
organization-
and
you
are
in
charge
of
the
ship,
then
you
you
know
that
it
should
be
excluded.
You
can
be
a
member,
you
can
donate
money,
you
can
do
a
bunch
of
things.
You
just
can't
be
an
officer
or
director
anyway,
I,
don't
I
don't
mean
to
bogus
down
Mr
Mayor
I
know:
we've
got
a
busy
agenda,
I'm.
G
Okay,
first
of
all,
I
actually
do
have
a
question
now
who
who
decides
what
inserts
go,
who
make
like
if
two
P,
if
two
organizations
wanted
to
insert
the
same
month,
they
can
have
them
so
there's
no,
really
competitive.
G
E
H
Me
and
the
city
manager
has
a
final
authorization
on
that
now
or
is
the
is
the
final
Authority
on
that
and
if
we
do
have
a
competitive,
not
competitive
events,
but
if
we
do
have
more
than
one
event,
then
we
may
format
the
the
the
billing
inserts
so
that
we
can
fit
both
of
them
so
I,
don't
we
haven't
had
that
conflict
happen
yet,
but
certainly
something
that
the
city
manager
would
be
looking
at.
Looking
at.
G
So
that
being
said,
I
look
at
you
know
with
the
the
funding
and
the
grants
that
we
have
put
in
may
not
be
a
member
of
I'm,
not
saying
that
very
well
that
we
can't
be
part
of
that
board.
I
see
that
as
because
there
are
fixed
resources
that
we're
trying
to
allocate
and
I.
Don't
really
see
that
here.
G
If
you
want
to
put
an
insert
in,
you
can
put
an
insert
in
so
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
we're
really
competing
for
resources
that
might
benefit
the
organization
if
it's
open
to
everybody.
So
that's
my
thought.
A
A
E
A
Turn
myself
off
after
all,
that
excitement
we're
going
to
move
on
to
public
hearings.
Item
U
H
yep,
establish
new
user
fees
for
administrative
director
conditional
use,
permit
and
non-city
initiated
zoning
ordinance
amendments.
I
Members
of
the
council,
I
am
Mark
Uribe,
the
finance
director
for
the
city
and
what
we're
doing
here
is
bringing
forth
holding
a
public
hearing
to
consider
establishing
two
new
user
fees.
These
two
new
user
fees
are
basically
lesser
level
of
effort
as
compared
to
existing
City
fees.
So
we
wanted
to
make
a
feed
that
coincides
with
that
lesser
level
of
effort.
I
As
part
of
the
background
on
September
14th
city
council
adopted
ordinance,
number
1196,
creating
a
process
for
director
level,
approval
of
a
conditional
use,
permit
and
I'll
use
cup
moving
forward,
and
then
earlier
this
evening,
ordinance
number
2002
created
a
public
initiated
zoning
ordinance
amendment
process
and
those
two
new
processes
now
have
been
set
in
place.
So
now
we're
bringing
back
the
suggested
fees
related
for
those
two
Services
now
cities
have
are
granted
the
authority
to
impose
user
fees
and
Regulatory
fees
for
services
and
activities
they
provide.
I
The
stipulation
is
that
a
fee
may
not
exceed
the
estimated
reasonable
cost
of
providing
the
service
for
performing
that
activity.
So
that's
to
say
this
is
not
a
revenue
generating
fee.
This
is
a
fee
intended
to
recover
100
of
the
costs
incurred
in
providing
that
service
to
an
individual.
That's
benefiting
directly
from
that
service.
I
A
director-level
cup
permitting
process
allows
the
director
of
Community
Development
to
review
and
approve
certain
types
certain
uses
that
require
a
lower
level
of
discretionary
view,
review
than
a
traditional
cup,
and
currently
the
traditional
cup
is
about
7
700
dollars
and
the
new
director-level
cup
process
that
will
require
considerably
less
time
spent
when
compared
to
the
traditional
cup.
It
has
a
proposed
fee
of
four
thousand
seventy
nine
dollars.
I
The
zoning
ordinance
Amendment
permitting
process
allows
for
creation
of
a
public
or
non-city
initiation
procedure
for
a
zoa
zoning
ordinance,
Amendment
consistent
with
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
to
streamline
the
permitting
process.
Currently,
a
zone
change
fee
is
fifteen
thousand
eight
hundred
fifty
four
dollars
and
this
new
zoa
permitting
process
that
requires
less
time
then
as
compared
to
a
zone.
Change
has
a
proposed
fee
of
eight
thousand
twenty
three
dollars
so
significantly
less
for
the
to
reflect
the
Lesser
level
of
service.
I
The
cost
for
providing
the
services
were
determined
by
an
activity
service
cost
analysis
which
computed
the
cost
of
service
productivity
as
the
estimated
average
labor
time
per
activity,
multiplied
by
the
fully
burdened
hourly
rate
for
the
direct
service
providers,
those
staff
members
that
are
actually
providing
the
service.
So
that
concludes
the
brief
report.
I'll
be
available
for
any
questions
before
opening
up
for
the
public
hearing.
All.
C
Yeah
Mark,
with
this
proposed
change,
are
we
confident
that
we
can
provide
that
level
of
service,
even
though
it
may
be
a
lower
level
of
service?
At
that
rate,
that's
being
proposed?
Yes,.
I
G
Mark
is
the
the
way
that
the
cost
was
calculated.
Is
that
a
standard
mechanism
to
do
that.
I
A
I
keep
turning
myself
off
any
additional
questions,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
open.
Thank
you,
Mark
I'm,
going
to
open
up
the
public
hearing
and
do
we
have
any
submitted
public
comment?
Let's
Christine!
No,
and
does
anyone
here
in
the
audience
like
to
speak
on
this
matter,
give
it
a
second,
no
one's
changed
your
mind
all
right,
so
we're
gonna
close
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
go
into
discussion
and
or
entertain
a
motion.
A
Right
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
please
vote
foreign.
I
Back
again,
thank
you
back
again.
So
what
this
item
is
is
council
member
Trembley
mentioned
earlier
that,
yes,
we
have
been
bringing
a
lot
of
the
policies
that
were
Finance
related
to
the
finance
committee
for
some
consideration
and
for
some
update
some
of
them.
You
saw
in
the
consent
calendar
this
one
we
put
on
the
discussion
because
it's
a
little
bit
more
involved.
It
is
the
combination
of
two
separate
policies
that
were
closely
related.
I
The
community
service
grants
policy
1.12
was
originally
adopted
in
November
1996.
and
in
2017
policy.
1.15
guidelines
for
City
support
of
community
events
was
adopted
after
some
discussion
at
the
staff
level,
and
then
we
had
three
meetings
with
the
finance
committee
to
discuss
bringing
these
two
policies
together
into
one
combined
policy.
I
Now
the
the
the
reasoning
was
that
these
are
Community
Support
City,
providing
community
support
for
two
different
types
of
activities,
one
being
the
community
service
grants,
which
is
a
competitive
process
where
there
is
a
calculation
that
determines
the
amount
of
money
involved
available
for
a
number
of
programs
that
are
submitted
at
the
same
time
for
a
share
of
that
calculated
amount.
The
other
side
is
the
community
events
which
are
generally
handled
on
a
case-by-case
basis
when
an
event
comes
up
it.
I
I
So
in
bringing
these
two
separate
policies
together,
much
of
the
revision
was
to
bring
consistency
and
the
wording
between
the
two,
for
example
a
due
date
for
an
application
of
January
1st,
as
opposed
to
February
1st,
on
the
other
one
brought
them
together,
so
that
they're
consistent,
but
that's
an
example
of
some
of
the
editorial
changes
that
were
suggested.
Some
of
the
content
changes
I'll
go
over
and
outline
briefly
is
one
was
to
establish
a
time
limit
for
receiving
consecutive
funding.
I
At
the
committee
level,
committee
felt
comfortable
establishing
a
limit
of
three
consecutive
years
of
receiving
funding
under
the
Community
Service
grant
program.
I
Those
programs
have
tend
to
stand
apart
from
all
of
the
rest
is
just
very,
very
much
favored
as
far
as
programs
I,
don't
some
of
the
typical
ones
we
received.
That's
why
they
received
that
special
consideration.
Number
three
was
to
require
a
performance
report
to
the
city
council
following
the
completion
of
the
funded
activity.
I
The
the
fourth
one
was
to
restrict
crossover
funding,
because
we
have
these
two
separate
categories.
Now:
community
service
grants
versus
community
events,
the
discussion
was
to
eliminate
any
crossover
funding
where
what
an
organization
may
receive
funding
on
both
sides
versus
just
the
one
and
lastly,
we
included
just
a
general
statement
that
would
allow
for
any
other
types
of
funding
requests
set
forth
a
process
for
that.
That's
outside
of
these
two
clearly
defined
categories.
A
Questions
of
Mark,
Mr,
trembly
I,
know
I
know
you
have
a
suggested
Amendment
Mrs
Craven.
E
Mr
kildee
and
I
serve
on
the
finance
committee
and
he
might
want
to
talk
to,
but
I
do
want
to
say.
First
of
all,
the
changes
we've
recommended
are
so
significant
and
so
digs
so
deep
that
we
thought
this
policy
warranted
coming
to
the
council
for
discussion
and
for
for
things
to
be
highlighted
instead
of
just
going
on
to
the
consent
calendar.
So
we
asked
that
they
would.
E
This
would
come
under
discussion
items,
and
the
second
thing
is
the
reason
that
we
felt
that
the
safe
and
sound
grants
which
are
about
2500
each
to
the
two
high
schools-
maybe
maybe
a
little
less,
because
real
Mesa
didn't
require
request
that
much
this
time
that
that
they
be
putting
especially
category
to
be
exempt
because
first
of
all,
this
group
of
children
are
in
a
group
they're,
not
seniors,
they're,
not
little
kids.
There
aren't
many
people
who
ask
for
very
much
money
for
this
group,
but
the
other
thing
is.
This
is
really
important.
E
They
have
a
very
high
number
of
seniors
who
attend
this.
We
ask
for
the
numbers
and
they
just
about
fill
up
the
biggest
place
in
town,
which
is
the
theater
out
there.
E
The
other
thing
is,
it
keeps
them
off
the
streets
from
going
to
parties
getting
drunk
and
driving
after
the
prom,
and
we
thought
that
was
very,
very
important.
Once
you
leave,
you
cannot
come
back,
they
have
a
large
prize,
they
raffle
it's
a
door
prize.
E
C
A
F
Thanks
Mr
Mayor,
just
starting
over
the
couple
of
comments.
First
of
all,
hallelujah,
thank
you
to
the
finance
staff
and
thank
you
to
the
finance
committee
for
all
of
your
work
on
there
I.
Don't
doubt
you
had
robust
discussion
on
this
Anna
and
Mrs
Craven
I
agree
with
your
rationale
relative
to
safe
and
sober
no,
no
issue
there.
F
The
second
thing
is
on
a
personal
note:
I
will
miss
being
on
the
policy
committee
with
Mrs
Craven,
because
we
have
had
so
many
of
these
discussions
in
the
policy
committee
and
we
have
gone
back
and
forth
about
language
for
hours
an
hour
and
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
We've
worked,
we've
worked
well
as
a
team,
and
so
it's
in
that
spirit
that
I
read
this
work
product.
First
of
all,
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
work
product.
F
Thank
you
because
it
to
me
it
a
lot
of
it
kind
of
mushes,
together
between
the
community
service
grants
to
the
to
the
community
events,
support
grants
basically
to
the
cdbg
grants
and
it's
always
kind
of
mushed
together,
but
in
that
Spirit,
when
I
red,
when
I
read
the
report
and
and
I'm
I'm
sorry,
when
I
read
the
actual
policy,
I
made
a
I
communicated
with
with
Mark
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
said
is
both
of
the
categories
on
the
community
service
grants
and
the
community.
F
The
community
event
supports
both
of
them
use
language
use
the
language
of
events
in
within
the
policy
and
I
thought
that
that
was
confusing
and
I
asked
for
an
example
of
events
funded
under
each
and
mark.
Thank
you
for
for
giving
to
me
and
and
and
mark
steered
me
straight
by
saying
and
I'll
just
read.
The
primary
distinction
between
the
two
is
the
community
service
grant
program
is
a
competitive
process
with
applications
submitted
for
a
share
of
the
calculated
funding
amount,
while
the
events
are
considered
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
F
The
community
service
Grant
has
a
specific
calculation
for
the
total
available
funding
amount,
whereas
the
events,
category
and
I
think
by
that
Mark,
you
meant
the
community's
event.
Support
category
is
based
on
Council
budget
support
for
each
event
requested
also-
and
this
is
important-
annual
community
events
are
ineligible
under
the
Community
Service
Grant
category
under
the
first
category
in
this
policy,
so
my
thought
would
be
to
make
it
because
the
words
of
events
are
in
both
and
I
think
it
gets
confusing.
F
So
my
suggestion
and
I've
provided
under
item
five
I
think
Madam
clerk.
You
already
provided
this
language
to
everybody.
I
would
starting
with
the
non-redline
version
on
page
one
under
community
service
grants
under
a
funding
sources
number
one.
The
general
fund
I
would
insert
a
new
subparagraph
a
and
it
would
read.
Community
service
grants,
Grant
area
grants.
Are
it's
an
area
I'm.
F
See
that's
what
happens
at
you
know
three
o'clock
when
I'm
banging
on
an
amendment
here.
Community
service
grants
are
competitive,
Grant
process
or
a
a
competitive
Grant
process.
Sorry,
a
competitive
Grant
process
with
applications
submitted
for
a
share
of
the
calculated
funding
amount
is
set
forth
in
some
paragraph
C.
But
this
is
the
important
part.
Annual
community
events
are
not
eligible
for
community
service
grants.
F
I
would
recommend
that
we
add
that
language
in
as
new
subparagraph
a
make
subparagraph
a
b,
b,
c
c
d
d
e
and
that
clarifies
what
we're
talking
about
here
and
it
especially
clarifies
hey,
wait
a
minute
annual
community
events
are
ineligible
under
the
Community
Service
Grant
category,
but
we
also
are
very
supportive
of
the
safe
and
sober
prom
party
at
the
time.
At
the
same
time
and
I
fully
agree
with
that.
E
F
E
A
E
F
G
I'll
just
point
out
that
for
E,
if
I
have
the
numbering
right
actually
says
that
it's
ineligible,
if
they're
receiving
Community
event,
funding.
F
I
For
if
I
could
suggest,
the
the
the
wording
under
4E
was
the
intent
to
insert
the
crossover
funding
anybody
receiving
funds
on
the
community
Grant
support
side
versus
the
community
service
side,
community
events
versus
community
service,
so
that
language
under
four
e
is
on
both
sides
of
both
categories.
To
avoid
the
crossover
funding
which.
I
G
A
E
E
K
Yes,
I'll
get
things
started
here.
Council
member
Trembley
will
add
a
substitute
of
detail,
but
one
may
think
a
little
ironic.
You
know
previously
planned
agenda
item
on
drought
and
Water
Conservation
a
day
after
a
nice
soaking
rain.
However,
it
actually
is
very
appropriate
because
we
are
far
from
out
of
drought
conditions.
K
So
with
that
the
antenna,
this
item
is
to
give
an
update
on
actions
and
the
response
to
the
drought
and
specifically
within
what's
the
drought
task
force,
that's
been
established,
caegis
being
the
lead
agency
with
that
and
including
other
agencies,
water
purveyors,
including
staff
and
elected
officials
from
the
agency
water
purveyors
within
Ventura
County
that
are
state
water
dependent
so
that
just
to
emphasize,
we
are
in
continued
under
our
continued
emergency
ordinance.
If
Council
recalls,
we
have
established
that
and
have
that
in
place.
K
K
So
those
situation
continues
and
the
expectation
is
that
we
will
continue
under
that
one
day
a
week,
watering
for
the
foreseeable
future,
definitely
through
the
end
of
the
year
and
and
continuing
into
next
year,
with
the
possibility
again
dependent
on
on
rainfall
snowpack
and
the
state's
action
on
allocation
of
water
in
the
in
the
future.
But
the
very
real
possibility
of
going
to
zero
outdoor
watering
anyway
I
won't
go
any
further.
Councilmember
trembly
has
information
they'd
like
to
go
over
that'll
that'll
expound
on
that.
F
Thanks
thanks
Dave
thanks
Mr
Mayor:
do
you
have
the
clicker
can
I
take
it
thanks?
First
of
all,
thanks
to
Christy
thanks
to
Madam
clerk
for
clerk's
office,
we're
putting
this
together,
so
I've
got
two
items
to
talk
about.
One
is
our
water
conservation
tracking
report,
which
is
covered
in
the
drought
task
force,
and
the
second
is
on
the
Equitable,
Supply
reliability
issue
relative
to
Metropolitan
and,
of
course,
we've
agendized,
both
based
on
the
advice
of
our
City
attorney
that
we
be
very
specific.
F
F
Guess
it's
just
this
one
page,
okay,
but
anyway,
as
as
we
all
know,
the
emergency
water
conservation
program
is
being
looked
at
from
a
time
period
from
June
1
of
this
year
to
December
31
of
this
year,
Metropolitan
had
established
an
agency,
specific
volumetric
delivery
limit
for
caegis
and
then
callegas
in
turn,
for
its
sub-retailers.
F
Like
the
City
of
Camarillo,
like
camarosa,
water
district,
calculates
volumetric
limits
and
remember
that
the
volumetric
limits,
because
we
will
be
seeing
those
sooner
rather
than
later,
the
volumetric
limits
are
based
on
the
equivalent
share
of
Health
and
Human
safety.
Water
available
from
the
Department
of
resources,
roughly
based
on
that
55
gallons
per
capita
per
day
really
low
amount
offset,
and
this
is
significant
by
local
supplies
and
that's
a
that's,
a
a
very
significant
policy
issue,
but
I
won't
go
into
the
Weeds
on
that
right
now.
F
F
Okay?
Well,
you
have
the
charts
I
think
in
in
front
of
you,
but
bottom
line
that
I
want
you
to
know
is
that
as
of
October
20,
as
of
October
20
camarosa,
water
district
was
23
percent
in
exceedance
of
these
of
these
volumetric
of
these
targets
that
Metropolitan
had
established
City
of
Camarillo
by
contrast,
was
at
zero
Zed
it
it
it's
a
push.
Basically,
so
the
city
has
been
doing
a
good
job,
we're
not
negative,
but
we
are,
but
we
are
doing
a
a
pretty
good
job.
I.
F
C
C
Quickly
with
camarosa
is
that
numbered
down
from
what
it
was
a
previous,
even
though
they're
23
percent
of
the
red?
Is
that
number
do
you,
and
if
you
don't
have
that
data,
you
can
give
it
to
me
later
and
it
with
the
City
of
Camarillo.
Zero
means
that
there's
not
any
more
demands
on
the
system,
but
there's
technically
not
any
less
demands
on
the
system.
F
No,
no
I
would
ferment
delivery
from
it
differently.
Mr
kildee
I
would
say
that
from
a
city
of
camarillo's
standpoint,
we're
not
making
additional
demands,
we're
making
no
additional
demands.
Over
and
above
the
volumetric
limits
established
through
met,
so
we're
we're
in
good
territory,
we're
not
as
good
as
as
some
of
the
other
providers,
who
are
way
under
I.
Think
camarosa
was
a
little
higher
a
month
or
two
ago.
They
have
brought
it
down,
but
I
can't
I,
don't
remember
exactly
what
it
was,
but
I
think
it
was
a
little
higher
actually
and
Mr.
F
Klotzel
can
can
bootstrap
me
on
that.
One
I
think
so
Sylvia
great,
thank
you.
So
this
is
the
this.
Is
these
next
couple?
F
Slides
are
the
really
important
ones
so
how
Metropolitan
looks
at
this
is
it
looks
at
all
state
water,
dependent
agencies
and
how
they
are
doing,
because,
even
if
some
of
the
state
water
dependent
agencies
like
cayegis
and
Los
virginas
and
the
sub
retailers
under
those
agencies,
like
City
camera
cameras,
Etc
are
over
if
all
sub
State,
Water
Project
dependent
agencies
across
the
board
are
are
are
under,
then
met
will
look
more
favorably.
Relative
to
this
volumetric
delivery
or
further
restrictions
on
outdoor
watering.
F
What
you
see
in
that
slide,
just
for
the
month
of
November
today,
was
about
30
percent
over,
but
if
so,
if
you
could
move
down
that
slide,
just
a
little
bit
more
and
to
for
all
swt
dependent
agencies.
Okay,
this
is
the
really
important
slide.
All
swt
dependent
agencies,
June
to
December,
2022
and
you'll,
see
that
relative
to
Performance
all
agencies
across
the
board
are
four
percent
under
which
is
a
good
thing.
F
Part
of
that
is
attributable
to
the
city
of
Los
Angeles,
not
taking
a
lot
of
water
about
six
weeks
ago,
because
it
was
doing
some
repairs
to
a
feeder
line.
However,
this
is
still
good
news
and
Sylvia
you
can.
You
could
go
to
the
next
slide
please.
So
here
we
come
to
callegas
and
that's
cayagus
for
November
of
a
few
days
with
well,
that's
November,
1.
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
they
got.
Would
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide?
Let's
go
calliegas
November
June
to
December
of
2022.,
okay.
F
So
here's
the
bad
news.
The
bad
news
is
cayagus
from
June
to
December.
22
is
16
over
that's
the
accumulation
or
the
cumulative
of
all
of
the
water
retailers
within
Gallegos
being
over
that
amount
and
that's
important,
because
Matt
then
looks
at
that.
But
remember
again
met
appears
to
be
looking
at
all
of
the
state.
Water
Project
dependent
agencies
and
not
just
Gallegos
but
others,
and
if
you
keep
on
going
Sylvia,
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
now
I
go
past,
I
go
past,
Inland
Empire.
F
If
we
could
go
keep
on
going
if
we
could
get
out
to
Los
virginas,
remember:
Los,
virginas,
okay,
that's
a
good
that
that's
a
instructive
slide.
Remember
that
lost
virgins
is
100
State,
Water
Project
dependent.
They
are
in
much
worse
shape
than
we
are,
but
look
at
where
they're
look
at
where
they
are
they're
59
over
as
of
November
one.
F
So
they
are
obviously
in
in
a
much
more
difficult
position
and
Sophie
if
you
could
just
go
ahead
and
keep
advancing
the
slides
and
the
reason
and
go
ahead
and
go
down
to
the
UC
Master
Class
Gardener
class
slide,
but
here's
the
the
take-home
message:
the
reason
that
it's
important
is
at
the
drought
task
force.
Meeting
cayegis's
conservation
coordinator
was
saying:
hey.
F
So
we're
going
to
know
more
and
more
about
what
restrictions
additional
restrictions
if
any
Metropolitan
is
going
to
start
imposing
back
on
cayagus
and
then
on
our
on
sub
retail,
on
retailers
like
City
of
Camarillo
and
and
camarosa,
and
the
the
the
we
are
told
that
as
of
right
now,
the
best
case
scenario
for
2023
in
metropolitan's
eyes.
Right
now
is
one
day
per
week,
wondering
that
would
be
the
rule.
F
This
is
because
the
city
continues
to
receive
state
water,
even
though,
through
the
desalter
we're
ultimately
going
to
bring
that
volume
of
state
water
way
down,
which
is
a
good
thing.
The
other
take-home
message
here
is
that
could
all
happen
on
a
30-day
notice
for
a
metropolitan
and
calligas.
So
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
that
and
Mr
klotzel
if
I
left
anything
out
on
that
part
of
it.
F
Please
interrupt
me:
the
UC,
Master,
Gardener
classes,
I
thought
people
might
be,
might
be
interested
in
that
and
I
note
that
there's
a
growing
California
natives
class
on
November
15th
and
a
drought,
tolerant,
gardening,
design
and
maintenance
class
on
December,
6th
and
Soviet.
Could
you
advance
it
or
please
to
the
next
slide
and
cayegis
has
its
rain
barrel
sales
and
the
next
rain
barrel
sale
is
on
December
10th
and
you
can
sign
up
through
the
through
the
site
listed
under
rain
barrel
rain
barrelsinternational.com.
Under
that
events,
and
pick
up
pick
up
some
rain
barrels
Sylvia.
F
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
There's
a
news
release
Here
on
a
related
note.
That
Metropolitan
has
now
said
we're
Banning,
non-functional
Turf
on
commercial,
industrial,
public
properties
and
that's
an
outgrowth
of
what
we
saw
earlier.
This
fall
relative
to
the
watering
of
the
the
non
the
non-functional
turf.
E
F
E
E
F
Next
slide,
please
Sylvia,
and
so
there's
a
slide
here
and
it's
in
your
materials
on
metropolitan's
volumetric
limits
for
cayagus.
The
take-home
message
here
is
that,
because
our
Ventura
account,
the
Cayuga
service
area
has
actually
lost
population
or
decreased
population
in
the
last
12
to
18
months,
the
amount
of
the
volumetric
limits
would
actually
be
lower
exterior
than
it
even
would
be.
Now
that's
bad
news.
Why?
F
Because
we
could
be
getting
even
lower
in
term
Metropolitan
through
calligos
would
be
giving
us
even
lower
volumetric
limits
and
remember
that
is
important,
because
the
kicker
on
the
other
side
is
if
you
overuse
your
volumetric
limits,
you
go
down
that
road
and
you
lose
it.
It's
2
000
acre
it's
two
thousand
dollars
per
acre
foot
penalties.
So
this
is
not
happy
news
that,
because
of
the
lesson
population,
we
get
less
less
water,
so
they
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
Please,
and
so
anyway,
those
those
have
the
the
periods
for
for
acre
fee
or
the
amount
of
Health
and
Human
Service
needs
water.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide
and
then
that's
that's
a
resolution.
Cayuga
staff
plans
on
bringing
a
stage
four
water
shortage
resolution
for
consideration
in
December
22
to
signal
that
no
outdoor
water
use
is
possible
in
2023
and
remember
here,
we're
talking
about
turf.
F
Okay
next
slide.
Now
we're
going
to
go
to
something
completely
different,
and
that
is
you
remember
that
that
Metropolitan
back
in
August
recognized
you
could
do
to
the
next
slide.
Please
thanks
recognize
that
there
was
an
equitable
Supply
reliability.
The
bottom
line
is
just
to
pull
it
back.
For
a
second
remember,
the
the
take
home
here
for
Metropolitan
standpoint
is
they
can't
provide
equivalent
Supply
reliability
from
one
side
of
their
service
area,
the
East
Side
to
their
west
side
to
the
state,
Water
Project
dependent
side.
F
So,
thanks
to
a
letter
from
the
mayor
and
thanks
to
advocacy
from
the
city,
they
recognized
that
in
August
and
cayegis
is
among
six
at
State
Water
Project
dependent
agencies
that
had
to
take
those
painful
Cuts
up
to
73
percent,
so
the
call
to
action
by
Metropolitan
was
to
say
okay.
How
are
we
going
to
deal
with
that
and
the
second
bullet
there
on
development
of
project
portfolio
is
a
reconfiguration
of
infrastructure
to
enhance
access
to
the
existing
Supply
portfolio.
What
that
means
is
how
do
we
deliver
the
water?
F
We
got
on
hand
out
to
everybody,
development,
new
supplies,
development
of
surface
and
groundwater
storage.
Next
slide,
please
recall
that
at
the
August
Metropolitan
meeting
and
by
the
way
these
slides
are
from
September,
there
was
no.
There
was
no
meeting
on
this
in
October,
so
they'll
have
something
in
November,
so
we,
this
is
the
latest
that
we
have.
They
talked
about
bringing
a
portfolio
of
projects
to
the
Metropolitan
board
in
February
of
2023
February
2023
next
year
and
have
the
Metropolitan
board
say.
F
Yes,
we
want
you
to
move
forward,
so
they've
dividing
them
into
what
are
called
near-term
portfolios
and
long-term
portfolios.
Near-Term
actions
to
address
a
potential
future
drought
within
seven
to
ten
years
long-term
portfolios
are
to
address
a
potential
future
drought
beyond
the
10
years
and
again.
Why
is
this
important?
Because
our
area,
like
other
state,
Water,
Project
dependent
areas?
We
are
second-class
citizens
in
met.
Okay
next
slide,
please
so
near
term
again,
near-term
long
term
in
terms
of
the
portfolio
next
slide.
F
Okay,
so
there
are
pro
this
is
kind
of
a
busy
slide,
but
there's
a
in
Orange
up
on
that
slide.
There
are
a
number
of
projects,
including
the
expansion
of
the
Greg
Avenue
Pump
Service
plant
and
the
phase
one
for
the
Sepulveda
Venice
feeder,
as
among
projects
that
metropolitans
considering
in
the
near
term,
but
remember
near
term.
This
is
several
years
before
these
actually
get
built.
But
you
know
the
Cavalry
is
on.
F
For
example,
it
contains
Sepulveda
phase,
one
a
Venice
Pump
Station
phase,
one
a
Los
virginas
to
West
Basin,
Municipal,
Water
District
connection,
all
of
which
are
designed
to
be
able
to
move
water
from
the
East
out
to
the
West
in
within
Metropolitan
next
slide,
then
you've
got
the
long-term
mixed
portfolio
and
more
work
on
the
Sepulveda
feeder.
Remember
the
initial
discussion
on
disposal
defeaters
that
they
need
to
do
pipeline
Rehabilitation
on
that
feeder
and
then
actually
expand
it
so
before
you
expand
it
and
create
additional
CFS
pumping
through
it.
F
You
got
to
make
sure
it's
in
good
shape
enough
and
that's
what
they're
they're
looking
at
first
but
anyway,
that's
the
long-term
mixed
portfolio
next
Slide,
the
summary
of
the
initial
portfolios
gives
you
what
the
last
slide
says
in
excellence.
Look
at
the
long-term
Gap
that
we're
looking
here,
140
000
acre
feet
a
huge
amount
of
water
and
then
finally,
the
last
slide.
Please
and
those
are
next
steps
and
they
will
return
to
the
board
in
February
23
2023,
with
preferred
portfolios
and
recommended
actions.
So
we're
happy
to
see
that's
those
steps.
F
We
need
to
keep
additional
pressure
and
advocacy
on
Metropolitan
I.
Think
in
my
opinion,
they've
been
acting
in
good
faith
to
move
this
forward,
but
it
can't
come
soon
enough
for
my
tastes
and
it's
still
going
to
to
be
a
few
years
down
the
line
anyway.
Thank
you
for
the
time
to
give
you
all
that's
all
from
the
drop
task
force
from
last
week
and
you're
now
briefed.
C
Tony
just
a
little
clarification
for
me
and
it
goes
back
a
little
bit
about
the
rain
barrel.
Sale
I
know
they're
going
to
have
another
one
on
December
10th
are
non-callega's
customers
able
to
purchase
one
of
those
barrels,
in
other
words
to
those
that
are
on
the
west
end
of
our
city?
Can
they
go
and
buy
a
barrel
at
that,
or
is
it
just.
F
F
C
F
No,
no,
you
can
go
it's
right
online.
You.
E
E
F
F
A
Any
additional
questions
seeing
none-
this
is
just
a
receiving
file.
Mr
City
attorney
recommended
we
take
a
vote
motion.
E
L
E
A
C
E
C
Excuse
me
yeah:
you
got
to
read
this
before
you
comment:
okay,
October,
28th
I
had
a
finance
committee.
Meeting
I
did
attend
that.
Let's
see
vctc
and
I
had
another
finance
committee
meeting
on
November
8th.
C
C
When
would
it
be
appropriate
to
make
some
comments
about
my
SD
esteemed
colleagues
change
over
yeah,
probably
at
The
Changing
of
the
Guard
The
Changing
of
the
Guard
okay,
so
I'd
like
to
make
some
comments
about
my
esteemed
colleagues
at
The,
Changing
of
the
Guard
so
and
I
will
wait
till
then,
unless
you
want
me
to
that
would
be
an
agenda's
item.
Would
it
not
yes.
E
F
G
Okay
for
meetings,
attended,
November
3rd
was
a
CPA
board
of
directors
and
then
for
other
things,
attended.
October
27th
was
the
vcog
dinner.
Thank
you.
Mr
kildy
did
a
great
job
of
chairing.
E
G
Camarillo's
birthday,
which
was
really
nice
celebration
out
at
the
ranch
house
and
I,
got
a
tour
of
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club.
Yes,
no
the
day
before
yesterday.
Sorry,
the
days
are
kind
of
running
together
right
now,
but
it
was
really
really
great
to
see
the
new
addition
and
see
it
all
come
together
and
the
kids
are
so
excited
too.
So
it
was
a
very
nice
tour
glad
to
be
there
and
happy
for
them,
and
that's
all
I
have
all.
F
I
promise
this
won't
be
as
long
as
the
last
one
okay
meetings
attended,
October
27,
the
policy
committee
with
his
with
Mrs
Craven,
who
I
will
dearly
Miss.
Given
our
discussions
on
all
the
language
of
the
vcog
annual
dinner
and
thank
you,
Mr
Cooley
I
thought
you
did
a
great
job,
October
28,
sincerely
October
28th
I
had
a
Metrolink
board
meeting
in
Los
Angeles
November
3rd
with
the
mayor
utilities
committee,
a
meeting
on
November
4th
the
vctc
Ventura
County
Transportation
Commission
board
meeting,
which
I'm
lucky
enough
to
chair
this
year.
F
It's
been
a
lot
of
fun
on
November
7th
I,
had
a
ad
hoc
fuel
hedging
committee
meeting
with
Metrolink
and
on
November
9th
a
casa,
Statewide
board
planning
workshop
meeting
two
things
that
I
want
to
talk
about
because
they
potentially
do
affect
us
in
the
pocketbook
one
is
with
respect
to
Ventura
County
Transportation
Commission.
First
of
all,
anybody
watching
out
there.
Let
me
just
give
you
the
website.
It's
goventura.org,
g-o-v-e-n-t-u-r-a,
dot,
Org.
F
Correct
it's
it's
right.
It's
extended
to
active
duty,
military
personnel
as
well,
and
you
can
find
more
information
on
that
at
the
VCT
website
at
goventura.org.
Second
thing
is
and
I
gave
everybody
a
copy
of
this,
but
vctc
you
know
has
established
the
youth
right
free
program
and
I
gave
you
that
if
you
know
of
any
place,
you
might
hang
it
up
in
a
storefront
or
elsewhere,
where
it
can
receive
some
some
publicity.
That
would
be.
F
That
would
be
great
and
then
just
at
the
December
vctc
I
can't
say
that
fast
five
times
the
Ventura
County
Transportation
Commission
meeting
we've
got
two
large
items
on
one
is
the
transportation,
integration
and
efficiency
study,
which
is
important
because
it
deals
with
all
the
transit
operators
in
the
county.
And
what,
if
anything,
are
we
going
to
agree
upon
relative
to
consolidation
of
services
in
the
county
and
I?
Add
that
if
anything
in
there
very
deliberately?
Okay?
F
The
second
is
the
comprehensive
Transportation
plan
for
the
county,
which
is
an
important
tool
that
the
county
utilizes,
but
that's
also
important
from
a
financial
standpoint
and
then
the
second
item
I
want
to
talk
about
which
is
financial
area
because
VCT,
you
know
it's
a
conduit
in
essence
of
a
funding
conduit
agency.
But
obviously,
is
there
an
impact
on
how
much
money
has
come
through
to
all
of
its
operators
and
its
cities,
and
so
on,
including
the
City
of
Camarillo
Metrolink
as
well.
F
Vctc
and
four
other
County
transportation
commissions
also
send
money
to
Metrolink
to
operate
and
Metrolink
is
under
a
real
challenge.
These
days,
the
ridership
program,
the
right
leadership
recovery,
as
with
other
Transit
operators
for
Metrolink,
continues
to
be
a
challenge
that
you
I
think
I
reported
to
you
before
that
Fisk
for
fiscal
year
22
there
was
about
a
2.6
million
dollar
shortfall,
but
Metrolink
was
not
coming
back
to
the
County
Transportation
Commission
commissions,
the
five
commissions
to
make
that
shortfall
up.
Vct
is
one
of
them,
so
it
has
an
impact
on
us.
F
There
were
funds
sufficient,
but
for
this
fiscal
year
23
there
is
already
a
shortfall,
and
the
concern
is
that
so
revenue
recovery
was
budgeted
for
August
at
53
percent,
while
the
actual
recovery
was
42
percent
year-to-date
through
August
revenue,
recovery
was
budgeted
at
53,
while
the
actual
recovery
year
to
date
is
41,
the
variance
created
a
year-to-date
farebox
revenue
shortfall
from
a
budget
of
1.6
million
dollars.
Why
is
that
important?
F
Because
ultimately,
Metrolink
may
have
to
come
back
to
the
County
transportation
commissions
and
say
we
need
more
money
because
remember
that
most
of
the
money,
for
example,
this
year's
operating
budget
for
Metrolink
was
296
million
dollars
in
total
expense.
Well,
that's
that
includes
64
million
dollars
in
total
operating
Revenue,
with
the
balance
coming
from
the
County
transportation
commissions,
so
it
it.
F
There
could
be
a
financial
hit
here
so
later
this
month
there
will
be
a
a
meeting
on
that
and
I
just
just
trying
to
get
it
onto
your
radar
so
that
you
know
that
Metrolink
has
some
difficult
discussions
ahead
and
obviously
it
comes
sort
of
at
the
vortex
of
the
state
wanting
Metrolink
to
be
prepared
for
2028.
For
the
Olympics
wanting
Metrolink
to
be
prepared
from
a
capital
Improvement
standpoint
and
make
a
lot
of
changes
to
their
Fleet,
but
at
the
same
time
there's
no
cons.
There
is
no
annual
revenue
operations
and
maintenance.
F
A
We've
asked
this
question
before,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
it
again:
do
we
the
city
but
prior
to
every
rainy
season,
I
know
we
that's,
we
haven't
really
had
in
one
for
a
while,
but
we
had
quite
a
rain
event
yesterday,
even
though
it
was
very
very
short
and
it
was
I,
don't
think
it
was
all
that
intense
honestly
didn't
seem
that
intense
it.
A
A
Does
our
Public
Works
go
around
and
double
check
all
the
storm
drains
and
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
clogs
I
know
of
many
streets,
one
of
which
I
sent
you
Edgemont
and
North
Augusta,
which
I
was
just
driving
through
and
the
street
was
underwater
I
had
neighbors
outside
just
looking
at
all
the
water
moving,
but
and
that
that
seemed
to
have
been
as
a
result
of
I
think
it
was
a
clogged
drain
near
that
intersection.
But
are
we
do
we
go
out
and
check
for
all
that
prior
to
our?
K
Yeah
as
much
as
possible,
we,
you
know
I,
don't
know
how
many
hundreds,
maybe
even
a
thousands
of.
A
K
But
especially
the
there
are
some
areas
that
are
more
prone
to
accumulated
water:
I
won't
call
it
necessarily
flooding.
It
was
definitely
more
than
what's
normally
there,
but
and
in
that
particular
location
is,
and
it
was
somewhat
of
a
perfect
storm.
There
was
definitely
intense
rainfall
Pockets
even
within
the
city,
and
that
that
area
experienced
that
that
neighborhood
east
of
Carmen
for
quite
a
ways
there's
there's
two
main
storm
drains
that
collect
that
entire
runoff.
It's
an
older
development
I
believe
even
a
portion
of
the
original
monitor
County.
Yes,.
E
K
Allowed
very
flat
streets
and
very
minimal
storm
drain
inlets,
so
the
infrastructure
isn't
as
extensive
as
what
a
newer
development
would
have
with
more
catch
basins
and
more
pipe
in
the
ground
to
take
that
water.
In
sooner
in
these
neighborhoods,
it
travels
down
the
street
quite
a
ways
until
it
gets
to
those
spots
which
are
low
spots,
and
that's
why
that
accumulates,
and
then
floods
like
it
did
I
did
check
with
staff
and
back
to
our
normal
procedure
is
definitely
a
course
before
before
significant
rainfall,
and
it's
definitely
in
the
news
right.
K
All
staff,
everybody,
everybody
Public's,
aware
of
the
monster
storm
coming
and,
and
so
our,
but
our
typical
preparation
is
definitely
ahead
of
the
rainy
season.
Checking
the
especially
a
lot
of
our
ditches
and
again,
the
the
areas
that
we
know
are
prone
to
have
have
excessive
runoff
and
accumulation.
K
K
Example,
but
that
specific
location
there
was
an
accumulation
of
leaves
again
it's
while
staff
may
likely
would
have
checked
earlier,
and
the
drain
looked
clear:
no,
no
blockage,
it
drained
such
a
large
area
that
it
collected
enough
leaves
to
to
produce
enough
cover
on
that
Inlet
that
prevented
the
inlet
to
work
to
its
full
capacity.
So
that's
what
occurred?
Staff
responded
immediately
and
cleared
that
again
takes
some
time
to
to
drain
out
of
there,
but
but
no,
that
is
our
annual
approach
and
then
and
then,
as
every
coming
storm.
K
In
anticipation
of
that,
we
do,
you
know,
check
those
areas
and
then,
during
the
storm
staff
is
out.
We've
got
patrols
and
ready
to
respond.
So
our
typically
our
landscape,
Crews,
that
are
trimming,
trees
and
doing
weed
abatement
is
not
going
to
be
doing
that
that
day.
Since
it's
raining
they're
a
part
of
the
staff,
that's
stationed
and
ready
to
respond
to
those
areas
that
we
know
are
prone,
but
then
also
anywhere
else.
That's
needed
for.
K
K
You
know
Downing
of
trees
and
limbs,
but
when
that
occurs,
you
know
the
resources
are
stretched,
pretty
thin,
responding
and
eventually
getting
to
the
to
the
locations
that
need
a
response
so
but
yeah
we're
definitely
on
on.
You
know,
preparation
and
then,
during
the
event,
ready
to
respond
and
take
care
of
what
we.
A
Right,
yeah
all
right.
Well,
thank
you,
yeah!
Actually,
on
that
note,
there
were
when
I
happened
upon
it.
There
were
two
neighbors
standing
one
one
was
a
young
couple
standing
outside
looking
at
just
at
this
mass
amount
of
water
and
the
other
guy,
with
a
with
a
rake
just
frantically
trying
to
rake
the
leaves
out
of
the
drains
and
I
asked
both
of
them.
Did
anyone
call
a
city
and
it
was
like
no
all
right,
I'll
call
the
city
so.
E
1998
City
Hall
flooded.
Everybody
knows
that,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
flooding
all
over
the
city
and
I
happened
to
be
mayor,
and
so
the
day
after
the
flood,
I
was
called
by
first
channel
four
and
then
by
assistant
city
manager,
Larry
Davis,
who
said
if
you're
going
out
with
Channel
4
I,
want
to
go
out
with
you.
E
So
they
took
us
out
to
Butterfield
Street
and
there
there
was
a
lot
of
flooding
on
Butterfield
street,
but
they're
also
was
a
lot
of
damage
caused
by
all
the
lemons
that
washed
down
from
where
all
the
rich
folks
now
live
down
the
street
and
around
the
corner,
and
it
just
happened
so
that
all
those
lemons
congregated
in
Butterfield
Street
they
went
through
the
the
gates
and
the
fences
on
two
of
the
the
homes
that
were
on
the
the
south
side.
E
I
think
Mr
triple
used
to
own
one
of
those
homes,
but
he
had
just
sold
it
before
this,
so
I
walked
in
and
I
thought
to
the
one
house
that
they
wanted
me
to
look
at
and
I
thought.
Why
do
those
people
have
yellow
grass?
Well,
it
turned
out.
They
had
a
swimming
pool
that
was
completely
filled
with
lemons.
E
E
E
Vcog
dinner
on
the
27th
adolfo's
birthday,
which
was
a
very
nice
celebration
out
at
the
ranch
on
the
30th,
the
RDP
meeting
at
on
November
30th,
RDP,
21
military
appreciation,
dinner
on
the
4th,
the
finance
committee
on
the
28th
and
again
yesterday,
and
the
contracts
that
these
legislative
committee
this
afternoon
at
three
o'clock,
usually
I,
wouldn't
bring
this
up
but
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
not
for
something
we
need
to
consider
acting
on
legislation,
but
SB,
1439
I
think
that's
a
bill
that
we
didn't
take
a
position
on
and
neither
did
contract
cities.
E
It's
a
bill
that
said
that
it
strengthened
one
of
the
fppc
requirements
and
so
starting
the
bill
said
that
starting
January
1st,
if
a
council
member
or
a
member
of
the
Board
of
Supervisors
or
a
planning
commissioner
or
anybody
else,
has
taken
in
a
campaign,
250
dollars
donations,
you
are
not
able
to
vote
on
anything
for
I.
Think
it's
a
year.
Okay,
good
enough!
E
That
passed
no
problem.
That
starts
January
1st.
However,
on
the
17th,
the
fppc
has
an
item
on
their
agenda
on
that
board's
agenda
or
commission's
agenda,
so
that
that
would
be
retroactive
for
the
past
election
in
the
past
year
and
so
the
the
the
thing
is
that
this
is
retroactive
when
it
wasn't
they're,
probably
going
to
pass
it
I'm,
just
passing
it
on
for
anybody
who
took
any
donations
from
anybody.
E
Keep
that
in
mind
and
I'm
sure
the
city
attorney's
office
now
is
going
to
explain
all
about
SB
1439
and
the
fppc
ruling
for
for
next
year,
when
they
have
that.
But
it's
something
that
I
think
people
who
might
not
have
planned
on
didn't
know
about
now,
they're
talking
about
making
it
retroactive
and
that
that
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
problem
or
not.
But
it's
something
you
need
to
be
aware
of
I
also
want
to.
E
Oh,
oh,
there
went
my
agenda
with
what
I
needed
to
talk
to
you
about
I,
hope
and
I'm
I'm,
not
telling
you
this,
because
my
son-in-law
wrote
this
article,
but
the
star
had
a
big
thing
on
wipes
and
how
you
shouldn't
flush
them,
and
there
is
part
of
that
law.
Was
that
the
con
some
private
non-profit
committee
had
to
publicize
and
get
the
word
out
and
I
think
that
in
Ventura
County
we
now
have
a
word
out
that
the
most
the
vast
majority
of
the
wipes
are
not
flushable.
E
I
need
to
announce
the
point.
Magoo
air
show
is
going
to
happen.
March,
18th
and
19th
lots
and
lots
of
people
love
that
so
mark
your
calendars,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
starting
sometime
in
early
March,
we
let
our
residents
know
if
the
newspapers
don't
that,
there's
going
to
be
noise,
those
two
days
and
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
enjoy.
So
yes,
there
will
be
extra
planes
flying
over,
especially
on
the
dog
leg,
over
Santa
Rosa
Road.
E
Could
be
the
Thunderbirds
I,
don't
know
I
just
don't
know,
but
there
will
be
a
lot
of
planes
and
it'll
be
noisy
in
addition
to
that,
the
contracts
cities
legis,
they
call
it
the
slot
Sacramento
legislative.
E
Something
oh
tour:
it's
a
lobbying
tour
to
Sacramento
will
happen.
E
E
Well,
it'll
be
in
January,
take
note
and
the
city
clerk
I
received
a
a
an
email
today
and
she'll
be
sending
that
out
to
everybody.
Sorry
I
can't
tell
you
the
dates
it's
the
first
week,
okay.
So
tonight,
since
this
is
the
last
council
meeting
before
the
Christmas
parade,
seems
a
little
bit
early
but
I'm
going
to
tell
you
the
history
of
the
Christmas
parade.
E
E
That
first
parade
had
get
this
in
three
weeks:
22
entries
with
less
or
Santa
in
a
red
convertible
bringing
up
the
rear.
It
began
at
geneve
Street
and
followed
the
boulevard
to
Glenn
where
it
disbanded
in
disdar
park.
There
were
two
floats
one
from
the
state
hospital,
the
other
from
Camarillo
high
school,
as
well
as
fire
trucks,
the
Pleasant
Valley
Baptist
church
choir
American,
Legion,
Color,
Guard,
Miss
Camry,
owner
Court,
representatives
from
every
military
base
and
a
chimpanzee
from
jungleland
in
Thousand
Oaks.
E
The
CHP
officers
estimated
that
10
000
Spectators
crowded
into
the
sidewalks
to
watch
Camry
only
had
a
population
of
6
000.
At
the
time,
Grand
Marshal
was
John
Montgomery,
the
newly
elected
County
supervisor,
when
Santa
entered
disdar,
Park
lights
on
both
the
Christmas
tree
and
the
nativity
scene
lit
up
and
children
mobbed
around
as
he
handed
out
candy
provided
by
merchants.
E
The
event
was
so
popular
with
residents
and
Merchants
alike
that
it
was
immediately
decided
to
hold
a
bigger
one.
The
following
year,
Stan
rank
chaired
the
second
parade
in
1963..
The
route
remained
the
same
and
there
were
35
entries,
including
three
bands.
12
floats
and
two
drill
teams:
Grand
Marshal
was
Walter
Brennan,
a
western
movie
and
television
star
who
lived
in
the
Santa
Rosa
Valley
no
military
units
attended
because
it
was
held
during
the
national
period
of
mourning.
After
the
Assassin
assassination
of
President
John
Kennedy
judges
were
added.
E
The
Camarillo
High
School
band
took
the
band
Trophy
and
the
Pleasant
Valley
Lions
Club
float
com
with
a
mission
that
was
lighted
and
a
donkey
captured.
The
float
award
in
1964
the
higher
the
chamber
hired
a
professional
parade
promoter,
dick
Bosler,
who
immediately
made
changes
the
route
was
lengthened
by
turning
North
on
our
kneel
and
continuing
to
the
Ponderosa
North
Shopping
Center
lighting,
the
tree
Atop
The
Water
Tower
on
Grandview
kicked
off
the
festivities
Walter
Brennan
was
again
the
Grand
Marshal.
E
He
served
10
times
on
tela's
death
and
now
you
know
why
he
has
a
statue
on
Ventura
Boulevard.
There
were
57
units
57,
including
the
mayor
of
Camarillo,
for
the
very
first
time
Camarillo
had
just
Incorporated
six
weeks
before
Santa
brought
up
the
rear
again
Les
bozell
claimed
he
rode
in
every
type.
Santa
wrote
in
every
type
of
vehicle,
except
a
motorcycle.
During
his
35
years
in
the
parade
and
Les
bozell
would
know
that
parade
lasted
more
than
an
hour,
while
the
first
three
parades
were
on
Friday
nights.
E
The
1965
parade
was
held
on
the
second
Saturday
of
December,
dick
bosler's
work
was
notable.
He
doubled
the
size
with
102
entries
and
twenty
thousand
Spectators.
There
were
eight
bands,
with
bands
being
as
far
away
as
Glendale
and
Long
Beach,
as
well
as
Ventura
County
bands.
This
was
the
first
entry
for
Rio
Mesa,
which
had
just
opened
that
fall
and
it
took
the
band
trophy.
The
Lions
Club
had
the
first
refreshment
stand
on
our
kneel
at
the
end
of
the
parade.
E
Although
Mosler
had
big
plans
for
the
1966
parade,
the
chamber
was
on
a
Bare
Bones
budget
and
couldn't
afford
to
pay
him.
Volunteers
sold
memberships
to
residents
for
a
dollar
each
to
finance
it.
However,
many
of
the
lofty
plans
did
reach
fruition
due
to
the
efforts
of
John,
Richardson
and
Wynn
damart
volunteer
parade
chairman
and
coordinator
a
full
160
units
with
2
000
participants
stepped
off
on
our
kneel,
so
it
was
changed
from
Rockland
and
marched
South
to
Ventura
Boulevard
ending
at
Cedar.
E
E
E
Equestrian
judges
were
hired,
which
attracted
units
from
all
over
California
and
adjoining
States
cars,
older
than
1949,
were
sought.
The
band
review
and
competition
was
separated
to
take
place
before
the
parade
which
allowed
the
bands
to
Dawn
costumes
and
compete
for
the
Walter
Brennan
Award
for
best
cost
Christmas
costumes
in
the
parade.
E
Now
you
know
why
there's
so
many
bands
that
have
Christmas
costumes
or
at
least
something
dangling
from
their
head
and
maybe
from
the
instruments
Through
The
Years
parade
chairman
changed
frequently
love
and
words
was
a
chairman
for
a
total
of
six
years,
Joe
Yeager
for
another
five
years,
and
so
on.
Division
leaders
for
floats
equestrians
bands,
antique
autos
and
Novelty
units,
usually
outlasted
parade
chairman
because
of
longevity.
The
parade
committee
only
met
twice
a
year,
wants
to
plan
and
wants
to
evaluate,
and
that
worked
for
a
long
time.
E
The
parade
route
also
changed
regularly.
In
1968
the
band
competition
was
moved
over
to
Rosewood,
then
it
turned
East
to
join
other
units
lined
up
on
Ponderosa
and
Carmen,
marching
South
on
Carmen.
The
whole
parade
would
turn
East
on
Ventura
Boulevard
to
our
Neil
and
then
North
to
Central
Plaza
crossing
the
freeway
twice
traffic
on
the
101
slowed
to
see
the
parade,
but
that
route
continued
until
1981
when
merchants
on
the
boulevard
complained
that
they
lost
business
because
of
the
lengthy
time
of
the
street
closures.
E
All
that
time
with
judging
stands
across
from
the
First
Baptist
Church,
the
awards
ceremony
remained
at
the
community
center
and
food
booths
were
added
to
feed
all
those
hungry
kids.
With
a
maximum
of
25
bands
and
130
units.
The
parade
was
considered,
one
of
the
top
in
the
state
in
2001
or
two.
The
city
council
designated
Los,
poses
as
a
parade
route,
with
special
consideration
for
low
median
landscaping
for
visibility.
E
John
Herman,
Mike
Morgan
in
a
series
of
others,
chaired
the
parade
for
the
next
13
years,
during
which
time
office,
office,
space
and
varying
staff
assistance
was
offered
by
the
Pleasant
Valley
Recreation
and
Park
District.
Then
in
2004
the
Pleasant
Valley
Recreation
and
Park
District
took
over
the
entire
operation
with
the
city
contributing
money
to
keep
the
tradition
alive
in
2006,
Santa's,
Village
and
carnival
rides
joined
the
parade
booths
at
the
community
center
and
the
parade
continues
to
be
a
holiday
highlight
for
local
children
and
adults
alike.
E
Some
noteworthy
Grand
Marshals
have
been
Tommy
Lasorda,
Fernando,
Vargas,
Jessica,
Mendoza,
Lisa,
Guerrero
and
Eddie
Money
to
the
curb
sitter.
A
good
parade
is
seamless
with
few
delays,
but
it
takes
a
huge
effort
on
the
part
of
many
people
to
put
on
a
good
Road
Show.
You
need
two
wide
streets
that
intersect
Sony
Eunice
can
line
up
to
enter
the
parade
in
a
well-distributed
order.
E
E
It
took
a
different
form
in
2020
because
of
coveted
restrictions,
and
last
year
there
were
no
bans,
but
this
year
the
parade
will
be
back
as
strong
as
ever
and
I
hope.
Thousands
will
join
me
on
the
curb
on
Saturday
December
10th,
starting
at
10
o'clock,
to
ooh
and
awe
as
the
60th
Camarillo
Christmas
parade
marches
by.
A
E
A
Say
anything
all
right?
Well
that
we're
done
with
oral
Communications
we're
done
with
our
five
o'clock
we're
going
to
recess
into
back
into
closed
session,
and
we
will
be
back
for
our
seven
o'clock,
seven
o'clock,
public
comments
and
agenda
items
so
we'll
stand
in
recess,
closed
session.
A
A
A
A
And
otherwise
the
public
comment
cards
I'll
take
in
the
order
in
which
they
were
given
to
me
and
we'll
start
with
David
sledgeon
you're
up,
sir
and
just
I
know
you
know
the
rules,
I'll
just
say
it
for
everyone
else,
but
you
have
a
clock
and
I
have
a
clock.
It
starts
at
three
minutes.
It'll
count
down
once
you
start
once
you
get
to
one
minute,
you'll
hear
a
beep
and
a
yellow
light.
A
M
Thank
you
very
much,
hey!
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
Moshe,
council
members,
City
staff
and
citizens
of
Camarillo.
My
name
is
David
schlangen
and
I'm
on
the
Camarillo
Ranch
Foundation
board
of
directors.
I
wanted
to
come
here
and
thank
the
council
members
that
took
time
out
of
their
busy
schedule
to
come
to
our
last
event,
which
was
the
Camarillo.
Excuse
me
Adolfo
Camarillo
birthday
celebration.
It
was
a
huge
success.
M
M
There
I
hope
all
of
the
council,
members
and
individuals
in
the
community
that
came
enjoyed
the
event
and
also
got
a
piece
of
cake
I'm
here,
because
we
have
another
event
coming
up:
it's
Christmas
at
the
ranch,
our
Santa
nights,
and
this
is
going
to
be
happening
on
Tuesday
and
Wednesday,
December,
6
and
7th
from
5
P.M
to
8
p.m.
M
We're
also
going
to
have
Santa
and
Mrs
Claus
in
the
house,
and
so
you
you
can
come
and
sit
on
Santa's
lap
and
let
them
know
let
him
know
what
you
want
for
Christmas.
This
is
enjoyed
by
children
of
all
ages,
so
we
will
have
a
professional
photographer
on
site.
We
are
asking
twenty
dollars
for
each
family
who
would
like
to
have
a
picture
taken
with
Santa.
We
also
will
have
carolers
walking
around
singing
singing
Christmas
tunes
or
songs,
and
we
will
also
have
coffee
and
hot
chocolate
for
sale
as
well.
M
At
the
event
again,
this
is
going
to
be
happening
on
December,
6th
and
7th
Tuesday
and
Wednesday,
and
if
you
want
more
information,
please
go
to
our
website
at
camarill
ranchfoundation.com.
Thank
you
again
to
the
community
for
all
of
your
support.
Thank
you
to
the
council
and
the
city
for
your
support
as
well,
and
we
look
forward
to
to
a
great
event
coming
up
and
happy
holiday
days
to
all
of
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I
have
three
others:
Patricia
McGary
and
then
Timothy.
You
are
on
Deck.
L
Today,
I
don't
have
a
speech.
Written
I
had
started
to
write.
My
speech
and
I
was
ready
to
come
here
today
and
deliver
it,
and
then
my
children
and
I
were
out
traveling
to
get
things
we
needed,
and
the
Camarillo
Sheriff's
Department
decided
to
take
our
automobile
because
it
did
not
have
the
right
color
of
sticker
on
it,
the
city,
the
Sheriff's
Office.
Everybody
knows
that
we
have
come
here
to
speak
about
the
have-nots.
L
L
L
We
are
trying
to
live
just
like
everybody.
Here
is
trying
to
live,
and
every
time
that
we
come
here
to
speak,
we
have
harder
and
harder
retaliation
and
no
matter
how
many
times
we
try
to
talk
to
the
Sheriff's
Office
talk
to
this
Council,
we
get
nothing
said
back
to
us
in
return,
so
I
don't
know.
If
it's
there
is
no
caring
in
you
guys
about
the
situation,
because
we've
tried
to
offer
Solutions.
L
We've
asked
to
have
a
sit-down
meeting
with
the
city,
with
the
sheriffs
and
with
our
community,
so
we
can
find
real
solutions
and
what
I
got
was
a
that's,
probably
not
going
to
happen.
L
N
The
actions
or
inaction
of
this
council
is
absolutely
reprehensible.
I
have
not
spelled
it
out
yet,
but
just
in
case
there's
a
miscommunication.
We
are
homeless.
This
is
not
news.
This
is
not
a
surprise.
We
do
not
have
a
home
address.
You
tell
us.
The
law
tells
us
that
being
homeless
is
not
a
crime
And.
Yet
when
we
talk
to
the
chief
of
police,
the
assistant
chief
of
police,
the
homeless
liaison
officer
about
what
do
we
do
about
this
DMV
paperwork?
It
asks
for
a
residential
address,
both
Deputy
or
I'm.
N
Sorry,
all
three
Deputy
havalka
Captain,
Shane,
Matthews
and
Commander
Eric
Tennyson
have
suggested
that
we
commit
fraud.
They
say,
oh
put,
a
PO
Box.
In
fact,
the
last
time
I
spoke
with
Commander
Tennyson
about
it.
He
even
tried
to
convince
me
by
saying:
oh
well,
Tim
we're
not
ticketing
people
for
having
a
PO
Box
on
their
license.
The
law
is
the
law
and
it
says
a
residential
address.
My
family
and
many
of
the
people
in
our
community
do
not
have
the
ability
to
fill
out
that
line.
We
are
denied
access
to
that
part
of
society.
N
We
cannot
fill
out
a
residential
address
for
a
driver's
license.
We
cannot
fill
out
a
residential
address
for
registration.
I
have
attempted
to
speak
civilly
with
these
officers
about
the
situation
where
we're
being
asked
to
do
something
illegal
in
order
to
avoid
doing
something.
Illegal
I
am
not
going
to
sit
and
perjure
my
name
and
commit
fraud
on
government
paperwork,
and
so
we're
left
with
no
option.
N
We're
told
it
is
not
a
crime
to
be
homeless,
but
we
are
being
treated
like
criminals,
I
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
I
I,
do
know
that
the
California
vehicle
code
does
allow
for
emergency
usage
and
people
die.
If
they
don't
have
food
people
die.
If
they
don't
have
water
for
our
situation,
it
may
sound
kind
of
hokey
or
ridiculous
to
you,
but
we
don't
have
a
faucet
that
we
can
turn
on
forever
and
just
let
the
water
run.
We
have
a
tank
that
needs
to
be
refilled
or
we
have
to
go
get
drinking
water.
N
This
is
a
reality
for
us
that
we
need
for
life,
and
the
Sheriff's
Department
has
now
taken
that
away
from
us.
Fortunately,
for
Patty
and
I,
we
have
often
been
strong
advocates
for
people,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
people.
There
were
three
or
four
people
that
came
to
our
house
today
brought
us
water
brought
us
food
commiserated
with
us,
but
this
is
not
the
case
for
everyone,
so
is
it
just
the
case
that
we
have
to
live
with
attacks
if
we
don't
want
to
live
in
a
tent?
A
Is
it
and
I
mispronounced
this
last
time?
Is
it
aloysia
all
right.
J
J
They
said
step
out
of
the
car,
as
Wilkinson
has
Hannah's
baton,
ready
to
beat
my
mom
I
watched,
his
mom
try
to
haul
their
bosses,
but
no
one
cared
and
they
towed
our
van
and
we
got
less
than
a
quarter
of
the
stuff
from
it
and
we're
homeless.
We
can't
afford
a
taxi
or
anything.
We
sat
there
on
the
street
and
cried
our
eyes
out,
but
the
cops
sink
here,
one
bit
about
me
and
my
mom,
my
sisters
or
my
dad
and
Tennyson,
don't
think
I,
don't
see
you
hiding
in
the
corner.
J
I'd
hide
two.
If
I
stole
a
family's,
only
car
that
that
van
is
the
way
we
get
showers,
food
water-
and
you
guys
took
that
from
us-
we
never
do
that
to
you.
Dad
barely
goes
on
trips
in
the
car,
as
I've
told
you
many
times
before.
So
you
take
our
way
to
go
places.
So
you
tow
our
van
it's
only
about
a
month
and
a
half
till
Christmas
Christmas
is
supposed
to
be
about
joy
and
love
and
kindness.
A
A
I
think
you
came
in
a
little
after
we
had
started,
but
if
you
just
identify
yeah,
just
in
advance,
identify
yourself
my
word,
my
mouth
ain't
working
today,
identify
yourself
and
and
we'll
have
three
months.
Three
minutes
three.
O
O
O
I'm
here
about
track
5486
with
Kurt
near
the
Rancho
Rosa
School,
the
138
residents
are
requesting
some
consideration
of
the
School
traffic.
That's
blocking
the
garages.
E
O
E
O
O
We
have
one
pregnant
homeowner
who
says
that
if
she
is
near
the
end
of
her
term,
if
she
has
to
leave
her
garage
is
blocked,
we
have
tow
company
Tom's
Towing.
Perhaps
black
on
black
will
come
on
board,
we
don't
know
yet,
but
it's
difficult
to
tow
a
car
20
to
30
minutes,
lead
time
and
they're
gone
by
then.
But
if
somebody
needs
to
get
out
of
the
garage
and
get
to
the
hospital
for
20
minutes,
it
means
a
lot.
O
The
driveways
they're
blocking
everything
they're
blocking
Wickford
place
your
own
fire
hydrants
at
the
school,
the
Red
Zone,
the
red
curbs
they're
parking
in
the
aprons
they're
parking
in
the
street
itself.
They're
parking
against
Rogers
are
parking
in
our
guests.
Only
stalls
in
the
parking
Enterprise
Lanes
red
curb
they
are
also
revving
their
engines.
O
Excuse
me:
I
have
stage
fright,
but
I
can
get
over
it.
They
they're
wrapping
their
engines
and
they
are
swerving
to
intimidate
the
residents,
meaning
beep
their
horn
and
then
soar.
The
car
you'll
also
note
that
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrians
on
Shade
Tree
Way
from
the
school
they
have
strollers
with
babies
in
them,
because
a
lot
of
the
residents
that
live
at
Wickford
pick
up
their
children
at
the
school
and
then
bring
babies
in
strollers
on
Shade
Tree
Way.
O
A
K
Yes,
and
actually
the
the
staff
report
and
presentation
is
a
combination
of
both
studies
for
for
sewer
and
water,
so,
if
that's
appropriate
to
sure
to
give
it
that
way,
we'll
we'll
do
that
and
both
of
these
public
hearings
have
been
noticed,
as
required
for
consideration
of
adjustments
to
these
one-time
capacity
fees
that
are
paid
by
development
projects
before
a
grading
permit
is
issued
for
the
project.
So
these
were
one-time
fees,
not
continue
user
or
customer
rates.
K
K
The
water
fees
are
adopted
by
resolution,
which
is
recommended
to
become
effective
on
that
same
date
to
be
consistent
to
have
both
sets
of
fees,
effective,
February
14th,
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
consultant.
Kevin
Costick,
with
ref
Telus
and
he'll
walk
through
a
presentation
to
much
better
describe
the
fees
and
everything
involved
in
the
study.
The
results
and
recommendations.
K
P
P
Oh
I've
got
the
clicker
there,
we
go
I
even
got
a
point
of
the
works
okay.
So
as
as
Dave
kindly
mentioned,
these
are
one-time
charges
that
apply
to
either
new
development,
most
of
the
time
or
in
certain
instances,
a
connection
that
might
have
to
be
upsized
so
buying
additional
capacity
into
the
systems,
and
the
purpose
really
is
that
growth
pays
for
growth
right.
Existing
users
have
built
a
water
in
Wastewater
systems
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
new
development
Buys
in
on
par
with
those
Investments.
P
So
in
California,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
a
cost
basis
for
these
fees,
and
so
we
go
through
a
pretty
detailed
study,
as
the
utilities
committee
knows
walking
through
just
how
we
value
our
system,
how
we
recover
these
costs
and
the
the
charges
themselves
charge
to
Future
development
a
little
bit
of
History.
The
last
comprehensive
study
was
in
2012
and
we've
obviously
had
quite
a
bit
of
change.
We've
had
some
growth
in
the
service
area.
P
There's
three
General
methodologies
to
deriving
capacity
fees.
You
see
them
here,
buy-in
incremental
or
hybrid
I'm
kind
of
going
to
work
from
the
middle
out
and
incremental
is
really
when
we
need
to
build
new
infrastructure
specifically
to
serve
growth.
So
we
have
no
remaining
capacity
in
the
existing
systems
so
to
serve
any
future
development.
We
need
to
build
new
infrastructure,
new
treatment,
new
pumping
new
storage
Etc,
a
buy-in
is
really
to
say
that
we
have
built
systems.
P
As
far
as
the
structure
we're
going
to
start
with
the
water
Enterprise,
so
existing
structure
for
these
capacity
fees
is
based
on
water
meter
size
for
most
customers.
However,
there
are
a
couple
residential
type
users
that
are
by
customer
type,
so
mobile,
home,
duplex,
Motel
home
excuse
me
motel,
room
or
Suite
The
Proposal
would
be
to
simplify
that
go
straight
to
meter
size.
We
size
our
meters,
our
water
connections
for
potential
or
maximum
demands,
so
we'll
be
blind
to
customer
class
or
user
type
in
that
instance,
and
so
simplifying
to
a
meter
size
approach.
P
So
the
values
of
the
systems
is
really
our
denominator
in
calculating
the
fee,
and
so
a
little
bit
of
background
before
we
show
you
what
the
value
is
we
go
through
and
look
at
the
capitalized
asset
database
for
both
the
water
utility
and
the
Wastewater
utility
and
on
the
books
we
have
our
assets
and
original
cost
dollars.
So
what
did
it
cost
for
us
to
design
build,
construct
those
facilities
at
a
specific
date
and
time,
our
date
and
time,
and
then
those
depreciate
over
time?
So
we
have
useful
lives.
P
P
So
I
mentioned
that
really
we
have
a
numerator
the
system
value
in
the
denominator,
the
existing
utilization
of
the
system
and
to
Value
the
water
system.
We
look
at
those
assets
again
in
replacement
costs
less
depreciation
dollars.
P
What
we're
showing
here
is
a
comparison
just
so
you
can
see
how
the
values
and
the
numbers
change
over
time.
So
in
2012,
that
value
is
approximately
27.5
million
in
2022
we're
at
about
96.5
million.
Now,
roughly
62
million
of
that
is
the
desalter
capitalization,
the
new
default
and
desalter
Facilities.
The
remainder
would
be
the
change
in
the
underlying
asset
base,
except
for
this
alter,
so
that
changes
roughly
three
or
four
million
dollars.
P
So
you
see
a
pretty
big
increase
there,
but
the
majority
of
it
being
the
desalter
we
back
out
any
principal
payments
on
borrowings
future
users
will
be
paying
that
through
their
rates.
So
we
subtract
that
and
then
we
add
back
any
Capital
reserves
on
hand.
Those
have
been
paid
into
the
system
by
existing
users,
they're
going
to
be
available
to
fund
future
capital.
E
F
P
So
the
denominator
is
our
our
underlying
user
base,
what
we
call
water
equivalent
meters.
So
what
we
do
is
we
look
at
the
connections
that
we
have
across
the
water
system
at
each
meter,
size,
roughly
14,
000
meters
in
the
system.
We
equate
those
into
three
quarter
inch
equivalents:
that's
our
base
meter.
So
we
say
we
have
roughly
eighteen
thousand
and
seven
hundred
or
so
equivalents
within
the
system.
So
then
deriving
the
fee
is
as
simple
as
taking
that
value
dividing
by
the
equivalents
and
coming
up
with
a
fee.
P
Five
thousand
three
hundred
and
ninety
nine
dollars
is
the
proposed
for
a
three-quarter
inch
and
that
table
on
the
bottom
right
is
going
to
show
us
the
meter
size,
the
capacity
ratio.
Just
so
we
understand
the
differential
between
those
meter
sizes
and
then
the
existing
fees
and
then
the
proposed
fees,
so
three
quarter
inch
proposed
to
go
up
about
250
dollars.
P
So
that's
you
know
most
connections,
at
least
most
past
connections
or
what
we
think
of
as
the
single
family
residential
connection
and
then
the
larger
meter
size
is
actually
coming
down
a
bit
because
we
are
normalizing
with
not
just
entirely
by
meter
size,
but
also
with
those
capacity
ratios
relative
to
how
much
water
can
flow
through
the
meters
at
a
respective
size.
P
So
again,
three
quarter
inch
would
increase
about
250
dollars
going
strictly
to
a
meter
size,
the
three-quarter
inch
going
up
modestly
and
all
the
other
meters
larger
sizes
coming
down
modestly,
we'll
turn
to
the
CSD
or
the
sewer
capacity
fees.
Existing
fee
structure
is
entirely
by
water
meter
size.
Our
proposal
is
to
modify
that
to
what
we
call
an
edu
approach
equivalent
dwelling
unit,
it's
a
bit
a
bit
more
fair
I
think
we
could
say
in
a
bit
more
common
in
the
industry.
P
So
what
we
do
is
we
express
sewer
flows
in
an
equivalent,
an
equivalent
basis
that
would
relate
to
the
flows
that
we'd
expect
from
a
single-family
residential
user
and
then
our
other
users,
commercial
and
multi-family,
would
be
some
fraction
or
multiple
of
that
estimated
Wastewater
generation.
So
how
do
we
get
to
this
edu
definition
equivalent
dwelling
unit?
So
we
look
at
what
indoor
flows
would
be.
P
We
have
state
standard
of
55
gallons
per
day
for
efficient
indoor
use
and
then,
when
we
look
into
actual
water
use
billing
data
for
Camarillo,
75
gallons
per
person
per
day,
mindful
that
there's
probably
a
little
bit
of
irrigation
in
there,
even
in
the
winter
time,
so
65
gallons
per
person
per
day,
an
average
household
density,
just
shy
of
three
people
per
household
for
the
City
of
Camarillo.
We
multiply
the
two
and
we'd
expect
about
190
gallons
per
day
per
single
family
residential
unit.
P
So
a
reduction
overall
of
system
value
you've
had
additional
system
depreciation,
but
we've
built
up
reserves
for
future
Capital
reinvestment.
So
you
see
the
net
effect.
There
is
an
addition
or
an
increased
a
system
value
from
about
61
million
to
about
77.5
million
today,
equivalent
dwelling
units.
So
we
look
at
the
average
flows
into
the
treatment
plant
and
that's
on
the
order
of
3.4
million
gallons
per
day
divide
that
by
our
definition
of
roughly
190
gallons
per
day,
and
we
say
that
across
the
system
we
have
about
18,
300
users,
that'll
be
our
denominator.
P
We
take
our
system
value
divide
by
that
denominator,
so
77.5
million
or
so
system
value
divided
by
18,
000
users,
and
we
arrive
at
a
c
per
dwelling
unit
or
equivalent
dwell
unit
of
4
231
dollars.
So
we
do
the
comparison
on
CSD.
It
gets
a
little
bit
trickier
with
the
change
in
the
structure,
but
the
easy
comparison
is
with
single
family
or
the
three
quarter
inch
meter.
That
would
come
down
roughly
nine
hundred
dollars
relative
to
that
system
change
and
the
the
change
in
the
structure
and
then
for
all
other
meter
sizes.
P
It's
going
to
be
relative
to
the
type
of
user
right,
so
the
the
land
use
the
development
itself
and
staffs
and
development
developments,
estimates
on
how
much
flow
generation,
water
use
and
Wastewater
flow
generation.
There
would
be
on
that
development.
P
So
again
for
a
three-quarter
inch
or
the
single
family
fee
that
would
come
down
just
north
of
900.
The
other
impacts
are
really
going
to
be
based
on
how
many
edu.
So
it's
not,
unfortunately,
can't
do
a
nice
Apples
to
Apples
since
we're
going
from
meter
size
to
edus,
but
we
did
come
up
with
some
hypotheticals
that
we're
going
to
walk
through
in
the
comparisons
here.
P
So
again.
The
easy
comparison
is
those
that
have
combined
water
and
CSD
sewer
service,
with
a
three-quarter
inch
or
a
single
family
connection,
the
existing
fee,
just
north
of
ten
thousand
dollars
to
connect
The
Proposal
with
water
going
up
modestly,
but
CSD
offsetting
that
comes
down
about
650
dollars,
that's
roughly
six
and
a
half
percent
decrease
overall
and
then
residential
impacts.
P
So
if
we
look
at
different
hypothetical
developments
that
could
happen
within
the
city,
we've
got
a
couple
examples
of
Apartments
of
varying
unit
sizes
that
would
be
Master
metered
condo
developments
that
would
be
individually
metered
connections
and
then
single
family
developments,
either
at
three
quarter
inch
or
one
inch.
You
see
all
coming
down
some
a
little
bit
some
by
more
than
a
little
bit
the
apartments
coming
down
due
to
the
the
change
on
the
CSD
side.
P
A
couple
examples
as
well,
so
one
inch
domestic
meter
with
a
one
and
a
half
inch
landscape
connection.
So
we'd
have
two
fees
on
the
water
side,
one
for
CSD,
we
estimate
with
those
flows
would
be
and
how
that
translates
into
edus.
So
you
see
the
proposal
come
that
that
proposed
fee
would
come
down
about
four
thousand
dollars
about
nine
percent
and
then
a
four
inch
domestic
connection,
with
a
two
inch
landscape
meter
coming
down
about
five
percent
neighboring
agency
comparison.
P
So
we
compared
not
just
your
existing
proposed,
but
also
with
camarosa
with
Oxnard
with
Thousand
Oaks.
This
table
first
shows
water
at
three
different
meter
sizes
there
right
in
the
center,
so
the
proposed
three-quarter
inch
again
going
up
about
250
dollars.
P
The
one
inch
coming
down
relative
to
your
existing
the
one
and
a
half
inch
coming
down,
not
changing
position
with
the
neighbors
on
CSD
on
sewer
side,
the
existing
again
coming
down
for
the
three-quarter
inch,
and
then
you
see
the
comparison
becomes
per
edu,
and
so
it
becomes
trickier
to
compare
with
your
existing
fee
but
with
the
neighbors
they're,
actually
all
on
an
equivalent
basis.
So
you
see
that
camarosa
Oxnard
both
edu
Thousand
Oaks.
They
call
it
a
Service,
Unit
or
sewer
unit.
P
But
it's
an
apples,
apples
with
your
single
family
edu
comparison
and
then
just
comparing
that
in
a
chart
so
combined
Service
cameroni
the
exit
and
CSD
existing
fee
again
10
292.
The
proposal
for
that
combined
service
comes
down
a
bit
96.30,
so
still
a
bit
more
than
cameras,
a
bit
more
than
Oxnard,
substantially
less
than
Thousand
Oaks
and
we'd
point
out
that
you
know
these
agencies
will
go
through
their
own,
updated
studies
or
indexing.
C
Yeah
Kevin
thanks
when
you
do
this
system
valuation,
does
that
number
is
that
number
flexible
I
mean?
Does
that?
Does
the
system
valuation
change
when
you
try
to
reflect
what
the
the
rates
should
be?
That's
my
first
question.
My
second
question
is
I
believe
we
haven't
really
addressed
this
since
I
believe
it's
the
memory
serves
me
correctly.
Some
are
around
2012
I,
believe
so
would
it
also
be
a
suggestion
that
we
do
this
more
often
or
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
norm
that
people
go
through
this
or
is.
P
It
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
norm
in
I
think
one
Norm
is
indexing.
The
fee
annually,
which
you
do
as
far
as
how
frequently
you
kind
of
look
under
the
hood
five
to
ten
years,
I
think
is
what
we
see
you
know
these
fees
should
be
cost
based.
I.
Think
if
you
know
an
example,
is
you've
added
this
altar.
That's
a
very
significant
change
in
the
underlying
system,
so
it's
appropriate.
Even
if
it
was
you
know
not
10
years
on,
it'd
probably
be
an
appropriate
time
to
to
update
I.
P
So
we
look
at
basically
every
every
asset
in
the
system.
That's
capitalized,
that's
greater
than
say
a
10
inch
piece
of
pipe,
so
those
items
that
serve
everybody-
that
are
the
quote
unquote
capacity
in
the
system
to
serve
the
entire
user
base.
So
we're
looking
at
things
like
your
sources
of
Supply,
Wells,
storage
facilities,
pump
stations,
transmission,
Mains
and,
and
we
have
the
entire
capitalized
asset
database
from
the
city
from
CSD
that
we've
methodically
go
through
and
we
know
the
original
cost.
P
We
know
the
depreciable
life
of
that
asset,
so
we
know
how
much
depreciation
has
been
accumulated
and
then
we
go
through
the
process
of
indexing
that
so,
if
an
asset
was
put
into
service
in
the
year
2000,
it
has
a
specific
value,
and
we
know
22
years
on,
we
can
estimate
what
it
would
be
to
replace
that
asset.
And
then
we
net
out
the
depreciation
to
arrive
at
the
the
numbers
that
you
see.
So
we
do
that
in
each
individual
asset
and
we
sum
it
all
up.
Okay,.
C
A
E
A
F
A
couple
of
comments,
first
of
all,
Kevin.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
raftelus,
thank
you
to
our
city
staff.
Our
Public
Works
staff
folks
should
know
that
the
mayor
and
I,
as
the
utilities
committee
spent
several
hours
over
the
course
of
a
number
of
meetings
on
this
I
I
agree.
I,
concur
with
the
recommendations.
I
think
it
makes
sense,
particularly
from
a
particularly
from
a
sewer
capacity
fee
structure,
standpoint
that
the
city
is
moving
from
a
water
from
a
water
meter
size
and
changing
to
an
edu
approach.
F
To
me,
that
seems
to
be
far
more
consistent
with
industry
standards
and,
as
we
are
looking
forward
to
having
to
do
substantial
work
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
with
respect
to
capacity
fees
that
may
ultimately
utilize
or
be
a
part
of
that
funding.
Although
those
will
really
be
o
m
rates,
they
won't
be
capacity
fees,
but
they
will.
They
will
contribute
nonetheless,
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
do
it
that
way
so
I'm
in
accord
with
the
with
the
recommendations
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work,
because
it's
not
insubstantial.
F
That
goes
into
this.
Thank
you.
K
Correct
a
new,
a
new
connection,
typically
brand
new
development,
but
as
as
Kevin
mentioned,
if
there
is
a
a
remodel
or
a
Redevelopment
on
a
property
that
the
connection
needs
to
be
upsized,
then
that
would
be
considered
a
new
connection.
K
And
then
each
each
of
those
on
the
on
the
sewer
side,
calculating
the
total
fee
is
going
to
be
based
on
the
estimated
and
calculated
when
a
developer
submits
Water
and
Sewer
use
flow
information.
That's
where
we'll
calculate
the
number
of
edu's
and
then
calculate
that
fee,
but
yes,
primarily
all
brand
new
connections,
but
some
upsize
or
a
re,
a
new
connection
needed
by
a
Redevelopment.
K
C
C
C
P
I
think
there's
a
question:
the
methodology
yeah.
C
P
That's
hard
to
say,
I
mean
the
things
that
comes
to
mind.
Is
you
know,
historically,
that
this
kind
of
segment
of
the
water
world
is
in
our
we'll
call
it
our
water
Bible,
the
AWA,
M1
and
they're
actually
going
to
be
carving
that
out
into
its
own
manual?
So
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
making
sure
that
these
types
of
fees
we
keep
keep
evolving,
keep
refining.
C
P
These
things
will
continue
to
evolve.
I'm
sure
you
know
the
legal
framework
and
Regulatory
environment
tend
to
change
as
well.
You
know
one
thing
that
immediately
comes
to
mind.
I
think
we
talked
about
in
earlier
meetings
was
the
proliferation
of
adus,
and
you
know
it
seems.
Every
year
we've
got
another
round
of
Adu
laws
and
and
specifically
what
we
can
and
can't
do
on
water
connection
and
capacity
fees.
So
it
will.
It
will
inevitably
keep
evolving.
P
D
C
A
D
I,
do
I
wanted
to
make
a
note
for
the
record
that,
during
our
closed
session
earlier
this
evening
on
the
exposure
to
litigation
that
Kevin
kildee
recused
himself
from
participating
in
a
portion
of
that
session,
due
to
property
that
he
leases
for
his
business,
that
is
within
500
feet
of
property.
That
was
discussed
in
the
closed
session.
So
he
did
not
participate
in
that
discussion.