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Now
the
existing
building
is
a
two-story
building
and
is
currently
a
100
office.
The
offices
are
currently
mostly
vacant.
The
building
offers
a
limited
articulation,
its
roof
lines
are
linear
and
flat,
and
the
architectural
detail
comes
in
the
form
of
faux
Gables
and
some
light.
Blue
colorway
around
the
windows.
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The
building
footprint
will
remain
almost
entirely
unaltered,
with
the
exception
of
the
recessed
entryway,
which
will
be
filled
in
the
site,
will
retain
its
two
separate
axis
aisles.
The
parking
lot
will
be
repaired
and
re-stripe
and
retain
68
out
of
the
69
spaces
currently
on
site.
The
single
12
by
24
loading
Bay,
which
is
located
here
on
the
side
of
the
building,
will
be
retained
and
will
continue
serving
the
location.
E
The
first
floor
plan
will
house
a
restaurant,
dining
room
and
a
kitchen
shown
here
in
green,
a
small
retail
component,
shown
in
pink
a
centrally
located
research
and
development.
Space
which
will
house
The,
Distillery
component
shown
in
blue
and
the
remainder
of
the
space
will
be
used
for
conference
space
and
warehousing.
E
E
A
pavilion-like
structure
will
be
added
to
the
rooftop
to
further
reduce
the
box-like
appearance
of
the
original
design.
Entryways
will
be
accentuated
with
squared
of
arches
and
metal
overhangs,
which
will
also
serve
as
quiet
nods
to
the
otherwise
spanish-inspired
architecture
displayed
across
the
city.
Finally,
the
two
exterior
patios
and
complementary
Landscaping
will
filter
and
soften
the
building
when
viewed
in
the
concept
context
of
the
streetscape.
E
As
mentioned,
the
materials
will
be
consisting
of
a
brick
veneer,
a
cool
gray
colorway,
some
steel
elements
which
will
be
utilized
across
the
overhangs
and
concrete
plaster
which
will
be
utilized
across
the
archways.
E
The
mix
of
square
footage
and
uses
require
the
project
to
originally
provide
88
on-site
parking
spaces.
However,
with
a
10
reduction
under
Camarillo
Municipal
called
1968-020
B2,
which
the
applicant
applied
for
the
total
number
of
spaces
would
stand
at
79..
Now,
68
spaces
will
be
provided
on
site
with
further
12
spaces
spaces
allocated
at
the
adjacent
location
at
40
45
via
Pescador.
E
E
Now
the
project
has
been
reviewed
under
SQL
and
has
been
determined
categorically
exempt
under
under
exemption
for
infill
development.
This
is
because
the
location
is
less
than
five
acres.
It
is
surrounded
by
Urban
uses.
It
has
no
value
as
a
habitat
for
endangered
threatened
or
rare
species.
It
is
determined
that
the
project
will
not
cause
any
adverse
effects
on
the
environment
and
that
the
project
is
adequately
served
by
the
existing
utilities.
E
The
recommended
action
is
to
approve
is
to
find
the
project
categorically
exam
from
siqua
and
to
approve
cup
427
and
ipd249
modification
one.
This
concludes
staff
presentation.
Thank
you.
D
Just
a
couple
and
I'm
thinking
that
that
the
applicant
will
be
able
to
explain
the
business
incubator
concept
a
little
bit.
It
sounds
exciting.
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
with
possibly
some
actual
examples
is
the
the
r
d,
the
incubator
business.
Will
that
be
operating
in
the
evening
as
well
or
or
be
limited
to
daytime
hours.
E
E
D
Okay
and
then
the
the
parking
reduction
I
understand
is,
is
being
addressed
by
the
reciprocal
parking
agreement
with
the
adjacent
business
and
we've
had
some
discussion
about
about
this
and
how
patrons
to
the
restaurant
would
be.
Overflow
parking
would
be
directed
to
that
adjacent
building
and
not
to
other
buildings.
My
understanding
is
that
condition
109,
which
is
a
parking
plan,
condition
of
approval
that
the
Overflow
overflow
parking
signage
would
be
included
in
in
that
parking
plan.
E
Yes,
so
conditionally,
the
applicants
required
to
submit
a
master's
time
program
condition
107
specifically
stipulates
now.
The
Master's
time
program
would
be
submitted
for
the
review
of
the
director
of
Community
Development
or
his
or
her
designee,
and
in
that
Master
slime
program
staff
can
certainly
require
directional
signage,
which
would
we
would
normally
consider
as
public
convenient
signage,
which
does
require
permitting
on
our
Municipal
called
title
17
of
our
assign
that
contains
our
sign
ordinance
and
that
can
certainly
be
a
a
requirement
of
Staff
as
a
provision
in
that
Master
sign
program.
D
E
They
were
not
listed
in
in
our
conversations
with
the
applicant
they're
looking
to
serve
the
existing
community
of
industrial
developments,
so
they
will
be
looking
to
provide
early
service
and
going
on
into
the
afternoons
for
a
full
restaurant
menu.
Okay,.
A
E
The
parking
was
analyzed
under
our
standards,
it's
a
function
of
square
footage
and
type
of
use
in
this
instance
with
a
10
modification
which,
under
regular
circumstances,
is
a
minor
modification.
The
applicant
meets
the
parking
standards,
as
defined
in
our
municipal
code.
A
E
So
the
original
office
or
the
original
building
was
100
office,
which
is
calculated
at
a
certain
rate
of
parking,
quite
a
high
rate.
In
fact,
what
helps
in
this
instance
is
that,
although
the
restaurant
use
is
certainly
parking,
intense
there's
other
uses
that
work
in
offsetting
that
so
some
of
the
warehousing,
for
example,
by
our
Municipal
Code,
requires
four
times
less
parking,
for
example
than
office.
So
there's
some
mitigating
circumstances
there
that,
although
some
of
the
uses
are
a
little
bit
more
parking,
intense
others
are
less
so.
A
E
G
H
E
The
ground
floor
here,
the
blue
square,
the
800
square
feet,
see
if
I
can
show
that
here
with
the
mouse
now
most
of
the
Distillery
operation
would
be
in
the
adjacent
building
which
the
applicant
has
a
suite
in
it's
at
4045
via
Pescador,
right
next
door,
and
that's
really
where
the
bulk
of
the
distilling
is
going
to
happen.
What's
envisaged
for
this
space
is
more
quality,
control,
research
and
development
into
distilling
methods,
as
well
as
a
potential
more
of
a
show.
E
A
All
right,
I
think,
that's
all
my
initial
questions.
A
Everybody
said
okay,
then,
if
we
could
see,
if
I
do
this
right,
could
we
hear
from
the
applicant
the
applicant's
not
here
before,
okay,
my
list
says
after
sorry.
H
J
Commission,
my
name
is
Joe
FIS
I'm
with
TW
land
planning
and
development,
and
we
represent
Foundry
805.
Their
representative
Dave
gross
is
here
as
well.
I
can
speak
to
some
of
the
operational
issues
and
the
applicant
can
speak
to
the
the
their
business
plan.
We
are
here
available
for
any
questions
really.
D
Who
would
be,
who
would
be
answering
to
the
operational
just
the
description
of
the
business
incubator
and
how
that
fits
into
the
project?
Thank.
J
You
Bader
questions.
Yeah
Mr
gross
can
answer
those
questions
about
how
he
operates:
okay,
yeah
from.
K
Hello
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Dave
gross
and
my
wife
and
I
run
a
non-profit,
and
this
is
a
non-profit
business
incubator
not
to
only
not
to
start
number
profits
but
operated
as
a
nonprofit
to
incubate
for-profit
companies.
So
the
point
of
the
incubator
is
to
basically
provide
opportunities
where
they
might
not
be
to
help
companies
go
from
a
startup.
To
you
know
a
going
concern.
I
have
experience
with
multiple
startups,
multiple
Investments,
multiple
exits.
What
exactly
will
be
in
there?
K
We
don't
quite
know
right,
like
that's
sort
of
the
reality
of
it.
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
software
as
a
service
I'm,
a
mechanical
engineer.
We
have
electrical
engineers
involved,
there's
the
ability
to
do
things
like
prototype,
as
well
as
get
legal
advice,
and
so
the
goal
of
the
space
is
to
basically
Place
making.
If
that
word
means
anything
to
all
of
you.
K
If
you've
heard
that
term
basically
provide
an
opportunity
where
a
new
Young
investor
from
one
of
our
high
school
programs
like
RC,
makes
at
Rancho
Campana
to
an
existing
small
company
that
might
be
looking
for
help
to
someone
starting.
You
know.
A
CPA
firm
I
mean
it
could
really
be
kind
of
of
anything.
The
goal
is
to
provide
a
suite
of
services
that
include
things
like
software
and
Hardware,
prototyping
and
marketing,
and
obviously
business
advice
and
things
like
that.
K
The
operation
of
the
incubator
is
that
those
that
kind
of
go
beyond
sort
of
the
I'll
call
it
learning
or
education
phase
of
learning
about
a
startup
if
they
become
incubes
as
part
of
this
facility,
they're
not
paying
for
the
space
they're,
not
paying
us
any
fees,
but
we
own
a
piece
of
it's
for
Equity.
It's
basically
incubation
for
equity,
for
the
non-profit
to
grow
the
non-profit
to
do
more
incubation
for
Equity.
If
that
makes
sense,
that's
the
whole
point
of
it
yeah
any
other
questions.
D
Because
that's
really
really
interesting
is,
is
it
mainly
consultation
or
are
there
actually
things
that
would
be
produced
in
in
the
building.
K
K
It's
not
really
that
much
space,
it's
not
really
designed
for
that,
but
at
the
same
time
we
work
with
a
lot
of
students
and
we
work
with
everything
from
arts
and
crafts
to
clothing,
to
technical
startups,
water
purification,
all
kinds
of
different
things,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
predict
and
ideally,
a
space
like
this
would
be
10
times
bigger
in
a
larger
City
and
they
exist
and
that's
really
what
this
is.
K
You
know
the
north
star
of
this
is
larger
incubators
in
in
large
cities
and
creating
a
place,
including
the
Food
Service
establishment
where
people
want
you
know
to
come
and
be
there.
So
would
someone
start
if
someone's
at
the
point
where
they've
outgrown
what
we
can
provide
them
there
with
respect
to
space
or
manufacturing
capabilities?
That's
exactly
what
we
want
to.
I
H
K
There
are
none
in
Camarillo,
there
are
incubator-like
opportunities
that
are
co-working
spaces,
perhaps
more
better
described
in
Ventura
and
Wesley.
K
The
closest
would
be
Los,
Angeles,
really
and
Santa
Barbara.
Unless
you.
I
K
Yeah,
so
we
think
we're
for
you
know
providing
an
opportunity
that
also
fulfills.
You
know
an
unmet
need
and
we
have
people
here
from
the
Career
Education
Community,
which
is
where
time
together,
Career
Education
and
entrepreneurs
and
people
here
from
the
entrepreneur
community,
and
this
is
something
that,
when
I
started
to
talk
to
people
in
the
entrepreneur
Community
locally
about
it.
You
know
several
years
ago,
I
was
looking
at
another
property
and
we
ended
up
with
this
property,
which
is
is
fabulous.
K
M
Two
questions:
are
you
partnering
with
any
local
schools,
colleges
or
the
organizations,
and
two
based
on
I'll?
Ask
you
the
second
question,
then
you
can
answer
in
a
minute
and
the
second
is:
how
many
projects
can
you
incubate
at
a
time
based
on
space
and
your
capacity
to
support
with
Services
I'll.
K
K
Given
the
way
the
space
is
structured,
especially
the
second
floor,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on
at
a
lot
of
high
schools
in
the
county
that
are
all
entrepreneurship
programs
that
are
active
at
Rancho
Campana
at
Foothill,
at
Santa,
Susana
others
starting
in
Oxnard,
Union,
High,
School,
District
right
now,
including
cam,
and
so
the
connection
between
what's
on
site
and
what's
happening
remotely
as
we've
all
learned,
not
by
choice
over
the
last
four
years
with
covet.
Is
that
that
really
is
blending
together.
K
K
The
first
question
is
yes,
many.
We
have
been
for
a
very
long
time.
Dr
Morris
is
our
new
executive
director
and
she
basically
built
Career
Education
in
Ventura
County
10
years
ago
at
the
Ventura
County
Office
of
Education,
and
so
we
are
very
much
filling
a
void
there
as
well.
With
a
lot
of
that,
funding
had
gone
away
before
kovid
and
so
I.
K
Don't
it
would
be
a
very
long
list
to
talk
about
kind
of
kind
of
pretty
much
most
every
school
district
in
the
county,
not
all
of
them
yet
boys
and
girls,
club,
the
library
chamber,
Commerce
Etc,
so
it's
it's.
There
were
already
some
connections
and
part
of
Dr
Morse.
His
role
is
to
you
know,
make
a
programmatic
approach,
that's
worthy
of
this
type
of
facility.
Let
me
bring
that
together.
I
C
The
the
combo
of
this
this
space
in
a
restaurant
is
the
restaurant,
a
a
fund
generator,
or
is
that
too
meant
to
simply
enhance
the
environment
and
provide
a
kind
of
a
cool
Niche
thing
to
do
as.
K
Well,
that
is
an
excellent
question
we
will
find
out,
but
the
goal
is
that
if
the
restaurant
can
break
even
as
part
of
the
non-profit,
think
of
it
like
a
decent
restaurant
at
a
museum
better
than
cafeteria,
it's
part
of
what's
going
on
there,
but
given
that
we
want
to
support
the
local
environment
right
there
in
the
morning
and
afternoon
with
what
I
would
call
a
cafe
the
outside
downstairs
and
then
you
know
the
rooftop,
not
fine
dining,
but
you
know
a
dining,
a
restaurant
experience
in
the
evening,
tied
to
the
Distillery
components
as
well.
K
Like
oh,
are
we
going
to
make
money?
Okay,
so
I
mean
you
want
to.
Is
the
restaurant
going
to
make
money
if
the
restaurant
breaks
even
that's
a
win?
Okay,
if
the
restaurant
does
better
that's
a
win,
but
the
actual
real
value
of
the
restaurant,
which
we
haven't
even
really
talked
about
yet
is
we
talked
about
about
what
the
kinds
of
things
we
would
incubate
is?
Well,
it's
not
just
a
restaurant
I
mean
I.
K
Guess
it's
a
commercial
kitchen
that
supports
a
restaurant,
but
it's
also
a
commercial
kitchen
that
supports
that's
sort
of
Chef
of
the
month,
culinary
entrepreneurs.
K
It's
you
it's
under
your
name,
it's
specific
to
you
and
we'd,
be
like
hey
if
it
sells
you're
good,
if
it
doesn't
you're
like
we'll
just
let
the
market
decide
whether
people
like
your
product
and
then,
if
we
like
it
or
others,
we
do
we
do.
We
know
you
know.
Can
we
introduce
you
to
someone
who
does
you
know
frozen
food
or
whatever
I'm?
Just
kind
of
you
know
making
this
up,
but
point
being.
Is
that
having
a
culinary
peace
to
the
entire
startup
environment
is
also
part
of
why
there's
a
restaurant
there?
K
So
it's
a
number
of
different
reasons,
tied
together
and
it
in
a
lot
of
ways.
It
really
is
I
think
what
will
make
this
work
that
may
sound
like
a
stretch
because
it's
not
Tech,
it's
not
startup.
It's
not
funding.
It's
not
Venture
Capital,
it's
a
restaurant,
but
it's
really
I
think
going
to
be
a
lot
more
than
that.
C
Okay,
it
I
want
to
push
back
on
that
a
little
bit
because
the
the
incubator
exists
on
the
second
floor
and
then
you
have
correct
two-thirds.
Two-Thirds
of
your
your
physical
space
is
dedicated
to
something
that
doesn't
I
mean.
Yes,
it
incubates
a
a
piece
of
your
pie,
pardon
the
pun,
but
two-thirds
of
of
your
building
is
going
to
be
dedicated
to
something.
That's
a
very
small
part
of
the
incubation
I'm.
Just
it
just
seems
a
little
out
of
ratio.
K
E
Parking
sure
I
can
bring
up
the
parking
table,
but
really
we
do
have
it
here
in
our
plan
so
green,
which
again
it
is
I
appreciate
it's
kind
of
similar
to
that
those
yellows.
This
is
the
the
downstairs
portion
of
the
restaurant.
Here,
okay,
we
have
the
customer
area
and
we
have.
This
is
the
commercial
kitchen.
So
it's
half
of
that
space
downstairs
is
the
commercial
kitchen.
Okay,
and
then
we
will
cycle
up
to
the
third
floor,
which
contains
a
this
patio
element
here
in
green
again,
which
would
serve
the
restaurant
itself.
C
A
Well
said:
I'm,
just
I'm
even
more
excited
to
hear
that
it
does
have
the
kitchen
facilities,
because
I
know
a
few
years
ago,
I
read
an
article
that
said
that
the
closest
incubator
kitchens
to
here
we're
down
in
Los
Angeles.
You
know
and
I
had
a
couple
friends
that
were
trying
to
do
some
baking
and
cooking
and
stuff
and
trying
to
get
it
into
the
commercial
market,
and
they
really
had
a
difficult
time.
A
You
know
one
getting
their
home
kitchens
approved
to
even
produce
something
to
try
it
to
get
it
out
into
the
market,
so
I
mean
that
adds.
You
know
another
addition
to
it.
You
know
of
interest
that
isn't
located
here,
something
that
I've
been
interested
in
seeing
come
into
the
area
for
quite
a
while.
So.
A
A
You
for
your
time,
thank
you,
then
we'll
go
to
public
comments
which
I
do
have
some
speaker
cards
and
I
will
call
you
just
in
the
order
that
they've
been
given
to
me,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
that
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
time
up
here
when
it's
counting
down
and
it'll,
give
you
some
beeps
when
you're
getting
close
to
I.
Think
a
minute
when
you
have
to
kind
of
stop
talking
so
first
one
I
have
is
Nancy
Lindholm.
A
And
if
you
state
your
name
and
give
us
your.
N
Comments
good
evening,
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners
Nancy
Lindholm,
president
and
CEO
of
the
West
Ventura
County
business
Alliance,
which
is
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
serving
the
communities
of
Camario
in
Oxnard
I.
We're
really
excited
about
this
project.
I
think
this
is
fabulous.
I
love
the
concept.
N
I
think
it's
something
that's
definitely
well
needed
in
Ventura
County,
especially
the
Western
portion
and
I,
know
that
you've
all
read
your
staff
reports
and
whatnot
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
things
that
were
in
there
that
the
staff
says
that
proposed
design
in
keeping
with
the
scale
and
character
of
the
adjoining
sites
surrounding
the
buildings
and
whatnot
is
great.
The
proposed
design
includes
a
variety
of
colors
textures
materials
I've,
seen
the
the
renderings
they're
beautiful.
N
The
proposed
project
creates
a
high
quality
incubator
character
and
also
proposed
project
benefits
from
an
existing
conforming
access
provision
and
will
comply
with
the
relevant
standards
of
parking
and
loading.
Finally,
the
proposed
project
has
been
adequately
conditioned
to
ensure
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
uses,
so
to
add
to
that
in
looking
at
the
city's
economic
strategic
plan
as
well.
Some
of
the
things
that
are
mentioned
in
that
are
supplement.
Resources
for
entrepreneurs
nurture
entrepreneurs
also
with
quality
of
life.
N
Entrepreneurs
tend
to
expand
options
for
others,
so
I
I
think
this
really
fits
with
what
the
city
is
trying
to
do,
and
finally,
also
from
the
Strategic
plan.
High
priority
initiatives
in
the
plan
include
incubation
acceleration
activities
in
coordination
with
private
organizations
actively
focused
on
enhancing
the
local
startup
environment
and
I.
Think
that's
what's
before
you
tonight.
We
support
this
project
and
hope
that
you
will
too.
A
Thank
you.
Next
up
is
Joseph
feiss
fists,
okay,
that
one's
up
too,
how
about
Roberto
Martinez.
O
Madam,
chair
Planning,
Commission,
City
staff,
Roberto
Martinez
resident
Camarillo
I'm,
here
to
speak
in
support
of
Foundry
805.
I,
first
learned
about
the
new
co-foundation
several
years
ago,
when
I
saw
what
they
were
doing
with
Rancho
Campana
high
school
and
it
really
fit
into
some
of
the
career
pathway,
elements
that
the
Ventura
County
Office
of
Education
was
trying
to
achieve
helping
kids
identify
different
Pathways
for
Success,
Through,
manufacturing
or
different.
You
know
things
that
kind
of
you
know.
You
know
that
they
find
interest
in.
O
So
you
know
full
disclosure,
I'm
CEO
of
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
of
Camarillo-
and
you
know
that's
a
big
interest
of
ours
as
well-
is
how
do
we
support
these
kids
moving
forward
to
these
different
career
Pathways?
O
And
we
are
fortunate
to
connect
with
the
new
co-foundation
and
you
know
so,
I
think
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
seeing
with
Foundry
at
05
in
terms
of
how
it
really
moves
the
needle,
for
you
know
Innovation
and
development,
and
you
know
entrepreneurship
here
in
our
city
and
the
economic
development
opportunities
that
it
creates.
I,
think
it's!
O
You
know
a
real
winner
for
our
community
and
also
just
the
gross
family
is
already
invested
in
our
community
with
the
stuff
they're
doing
with
the
high
schools,
with
the
Miracle
League
of
the
805,
with
the
boys
and
girls
club.
So
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
a
group
that
is
already
invested
and
committed
to
making
our
community
better
and
achieving
the
goals
of
our
of
our
city.
Then
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
benefit
and
I'm
in
full
support
and
I
hope.
Everyone
else
is.
Thank
you.
I
Name
is
Phil
seifline
and
I'm
a
long
time
entrepreneur
and
innovator
myself
and
I've
followed
some
of
Mr
gross's
work.
The
shirt
that
he
has
on
says
RC
makes,
if
you're
all
familiar
with
that
fantastic
lab,
our
RC
High
School
here
in
Camarillo.
It's
part
of
his
inspiration
as
an
innovator,
myself,
I
know.
The
common
Trend
now
is
to
have
an
enclosed
place
for
creativity,
and
it's
it's
really
a
good
thing.
I
know
people
that
will
be
very
interested
in
going
to
this
location,
and
once
you
start
working,
you
want
to
keep
working.
I
You
want
that
environment
that
is
designed
to
keep
you
from
jumping
in
your
car
and
going
five
miles
away
for
a
break
and
then
coming
back
you'd
like
to
stay
where
you
are
so
anything
that
supports
this
project.
I
would
be
in
great
favor
of
as
a
person
who's
been
down
the
path
myself.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
P
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Sean
Wilson
I'm,
a
former
former
city
council
member,
a
former
entrepreneur
of
the
year
when
I
was
much
younger
and
a
current
business
owner
I
know,
Mr
Dave
gross
I've
got
to
see
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
see
this
project
grow
and
expand
into
what
it
is
today
and
I'm.
A
proud
supporter
of
it.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
third
place,
an
intersection
of
so
many
different
things
for
so
many
different
people.
P
It's
going
to
create
a
lot
of
opportunity
in
our
community
when
I
was
young
when
I
started,
my
first
company
I
had
to
found
it
I
found
it
in
the
Coffee
and
Tea
Leaf
in
our
Neil,
because
I
had
nowhere
else
to
go.
If
something
like
this
were
an
opportunity
for
me,
that's
this
would
be
the
first
place.
I
go
and
get
the
support
that
I
needed.
Then
so
I
probably
support
it.
I
hope
you
approve
the
recommended
action.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
Q
Foreign,
thank
you
honorable,
chairman
and
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Eric
Wendt
I,
wear
a
couple.
Hats
in
town
I
have
a
joint
lab
with
the
with
the
Navy
called
fathomworks
I
work
with
the
EDC
and
I
run
a
small
Venture
Studio,
where
we
support
small
entrepreneurs,
I'd
like
to
give
you
the
a
little
a
little
different
Vision
right.
I
have
two
young
daughters
right
and
what
I
can
see
this
space
growing
up
right,
I
want
them
to
go.
Take
a
code
class
right.
Q
I
want
them
to
do
an
internship
I
want
them
to
go
to
one
of
our
fine
universities
and
and
work
there
in
internships
and
then
start
their
own
company
and
be
able
to
see
other
people
in
the
community
starting
their
own
companies.
Other
girls
doing
amazing
jobs,
starting
companies
and
Entrepreneurship
I
want
to
share
a
drink
with
them
in
that
restaurant
right,
I
want
them
to
grow
up
and
be
in
an
investor
in
the
area
too,
and
then
go
back
and
invest
in
companies
started
by
somebody
else's
daughters
right
that
that's
what
this
represents.
Q
I
come
from,
Silicon
Valley
that
this
was
a
thing.
This
was
an
active
part
of
my
daily
lifestyle,
starting
companies
up
there,
including
the
restaurant,
like
that's
the
unsung
hero
right.
Many
of
these
meetings
happen
in
that
in
that
coffee
shop
in
that
restaurant
down
the
way
I
I
can
already
tell
you
that
space
permitting
I
will
be
a
tenant.
I
will
be
a
customer
of
the
restaurant
and
I.
Could
not
more
avidly
express
my
support
for
this
program
and
I
hope
you
guys
do
too.
Thank
you
guys
so
much.
C
You
know
it,
it
seems
pretty
special
and
I'm
new
to
the
board
or
to
the
commission,
but
it
seems
pretty
special
when
you
have
a
community
come
together
so
comprehensively
as
this
to
support
something
that
seems
to
benefit
so
many
people
in
so
many
different
levels.
You
know
Sons
daughters,
you
know
young
young
people
who
are
trying
to
make
it
and
maybe
just
don't
have
the
direction
it.
It
just
sounds
like
a
wonderful
place
and
and
a
good
use
of
land
in
our
city.
So
thank
you.
D
Any
comments,
yes,
no
I'm,
just
to
Echo
what
commissioner
Davidson
just
said.
It
looks
like
a
wonderful
project.
A
wonderful
business
to
bring
to
our
community
and
I
I
can
easily
support
this
application.
H
And
I
I
really
appreciate
the
input
from
the
applicant
and
from
the
public
today,
because
we
had
a
nice
report
and
I
realized.
I
didn't
fully
understand
it
that
that
now
I
do
and
it's
it
looked
good
on
paper,
but
it
even
seems
a
lot
better
after
hearing
everybody's
comments
and
testimony
so
I
I
fully
support
it
as
well.
M
Yeah
I
also
believe
this
is
an
Innovative
and
unique
project.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
to
learn
about
it
and
I
I.
You
can
feel
the
energy
here
and
I
am
looking
forward
to
going
on
site
one
day
and
feeling
that
energy
of
innovation
and
of
the
opportunities
that
it
will
create
I
think
it
will
bring
multiple
contributions
to
both
the
local
and
broader
community
and
I'm,
also
in
strong
support.
M
A
D
We
do
so
Mr
CPAC
made
a
wonderful
presentation
on
what
the
building
looks
like
now
versus
what
it
will
look
like.
Should
this
project
move
forward,
it
incorporates
colors
and
textures
materials,
height
and
massing
of
the
building
that
are
consistent
with
the
Camarillo
Community
design
element
General
plan
guidelines.
What
we
were
especially
impressed
with
was
that
the
use
of
contemporary
colors
and
materials
in
a
way
that
seems
to
add
a
tremendous
amount
of
articulation
to
the
building
where
architecturally
there
is
is
none.
D
Essentially
the
building
is
the
same
footprint
will
be
the
same
horizontal
footprint
as
what
is
out
there
now.
But
when
you
look
at
what's
what's
there
now
versus
what
is
proposed,
it's
a
tremendous
aesthetic
change
for
the
better,
and
so
we
could
easily
support
and
recommend
to
the
Planning
Commission
approval
of
the
architectural
elements
of
this
application.
A
Thank
you,
yeah
I
know
for
me,
driving
through
the
area
and
looking
at
what
look
kind
of
bland
and
then
seeing
what
this
is
going
to
bring
into
the
area.
Hopefully,
it'll
even
bring
some
changes
to
make
that
whole
area
a
little
bit
more
interesting.
It
also
reminded
me
of
a
trip.
I
did
take
a
few
years
ago
up
through
Kentucky
for
the
horse
country
and
stuff
and
driving
past
a
law
that
is
still
distilleries
there.
A
There
were
all
these
big
black
buildings,
so
it
kind
of
brings
in
a
little
bit
of
that
feeling
that
I
found
over
in
Kentucky
to
our
area,
which
I
find
very
interesting
and
kind
of
nice
to
see
any
other
comments
and
I
will
say
for
my
for
me,
I'm
really
happy
to
see
what
you're
planning
for
this
building
and
what
you're
going
to
bring
into
the
community,
because
this
type
of
space
is
something
that
I've
wanted
to
see
come
in
for
a
long
time.
B
The
city
of
Cam
Rio
approving
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
Bonafide
food
establishment
and
a
craft
Distillery,
a
major
modification
to
Industrial
plan
development
permit
to
expand
the
existing
building
and
a
minor
modification
to
an
industrial
plan.
Development
permit
for
a
10
parking
reduction.
Looking
at
900,
Avenida
Picasso.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
we're
going
back
and
if
we
could
have
we're
kind
of
quiet
down
a
little
bit
as
you're
exiting
going
on
to
item
C
for
a
CPD
36
36m,
our
Neo
Pharmacy,
and
do
we
have
a
staff
report?
Can.
B
R
Good
evening,
honorable
chairwoman
and
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Brett
McMahon
and
tonight
I'll
be
giving
the
staff
presentation
for
CPD
36,
M1
arneel
Pharmacy
foreign.
R
Is
requesting
a
modification
to
a
commercial
plan
development
permit
to
construct
a
new
1650
square
foot,
Second
Story
Edition,
exterior
Remodel
and
interior
tenant
Improvement
to
convert
an
existing
vacant
medical
office
into
a
delivery
only
Pharmacy
and
office
suites
project
location?
The
proposed
project
is
located
on
a
third
of
an
acre
site
at
195
and
197
arneel
Road.
R
R
This
is
some
background
on
the
property
CPD
36
was
originally
approved
by
the
playing
Commission
in
1976
as
a
commercial
building.
The
building
has
remained
untouched
since
its
initial
construction
and
has
been
occupied
by
wide
variety
of
commercial
uses.
Over
the
years.
The
most
recent
use
of
the
building
was
as
a
physician's
office.
R
So
the
proposed
operations
at
the
facility,
the
applicant,
intends
on
operating
a
delivery,
only
Pharmacy
which
will
package
medical
prescriptions
on
site
and
deliver
prescriptions
to
clients
residences
throughout
Ventura
County.
There
will
also
be
multiple
office
suites
that
will
be
available
to
be
leased
out
to
other
Office
Buildings
within
the
or
office
uses
within
the
same
building
going
into
parking
and
loading
pursuant
to
a
State
Assembly
Bill
2097.
The
project
is
exempt
from
parking
requirements
due
to
it
being
within
a
half
mile
by
the
train
station.
R
Moving
into
the
site
plan
here,
the
building
footprint
is
not
going
to
change
at
all
as
part
of
this
project
and
then
the
only
other
changes
that
are
going
to
be
occurring
on
the
parcels.
The
trash
enclosure
is
going
to
be
trash,
enclosure
and
Landscaping
on
this
condition
to
be
brought
up
to
conformance
with
our
modern
or
our
current
landscape
and
trash
enclosure
standards,
and
then
also
the
relocation
and
addition
of
the
accessible
parking
space
just
quickly
running
through
the
proposed
floor
plans.
R
R
R
The
tower
element
is
going
to
be
enhanced
to
conform
with
the
new
height
of
the
building,
it'll
be
raised
up
to
31
feet
in
height
and
then,
as
for
the
rest
of
the
second
floor,
Edition
it'll
be
brought
up
to
be
level
with
the
current
section
of
second
floor
in
the
existing
building,
which
is
a
has
a
height
of
25
feet,
and
then
there
are
also
be
a
change
in
the
roof
Gable
on
that
far
right
side
and
as
part
of
one
of
the
new
offices
looking
at
the
west
elevation.
R
This
is
in
the
back
portion
of
the
building
where
the
parking
lot
is.
This
is
going
to
be
enhanced
to
have
a
discrete
design
that
protect
the
pharmacy
use.
It'll
also
revamp
the
exterior
to
have
a
much
more
aesthetically,
pleasing
look
and
then
here
on
the
south
elevation.
This
is
the
portion
of
the
building
that
faces
the
existing
Burger
King.
This
you
can
see
the
second
floor.
Edition
will
bring
the
wall
all
the
way
up
to
the
edge
of
the
building
and
I'll
get
a
couple
new
windows
installed
there
on
this
angle.
R
You
can
see
the
enhancement
of
the
tower
element
with
the
second
floor.
Edition
and
there's
also
going
to
be
a
green
wall
on
the
side
of
this
or
on
this
portion
of
the
building
as
well
environmental
review,
the
city
review
the
environmental
impacts
of
the
project
under
the
sequel
and
finds
it
exempt
under
section
15
301
existing
facilities
which
exempts
existing
facilities
from
further
review
to
the
negligible
expansions
of
existing
uses.
R
The
proposed
project
will
increase
the
building
floor
area
by
approximately
650
square
feet,
which
is
only
47
percent
of
the
existing
floor
area
and
to
be
considered
a
negligible
expansion.
Those
thresholds
are
2500
square
feet
and
or
50
percent.
Whichever
is
less
which
this
project
is
below
those
thresholds.
R
D
R
R
Well,
for
for
medical
uses,
the
parking
calculations,
one
space
for
every
200
square
feet,
but,
given
that
the
Mix
commercial
uses
of
this
of
this
property,
the
office
threshold,
it's
like
one
for
250
square
feet
and
given
the
1650
square
feet,
we
believe
that
this
project
will
still
be
adequately
parked.
R
H
A
R
A
B
G
Honorable,
chair
and
Commissioners,
yes,
I,
guess
it's
good
yeah!
You
hear
me
I'm,
Sid,
resvan
and
I'm
president
Mr
and
Dr
Ernest
hat
the
owners
of
the
project.
G
The
presentation
that
staff
made
was
like
really
clear
and
I'm
here
to.
If
you
have
any
question
just
about
that
three
different
offices
that
you
asked
for
the
middle
one
is
connected
to
Pharmacy.
Okay,.
I
G
Floor
and
gonna
be
used
by
the
owner,
the
two
other
offices
based
on
the
use
they
have
if
they
need
to
use
that
office,
they
can
use
that
for
themselves.
Otherwise
they
are
separate
officer
spaces
that
can
be
rented
to
prospect
like
rents,
Prospect
businesses,
which
mainly
going
to
be
kind
of
connected
to
the
same
use
that
they
have.
A
G
A
K
G
Yeah,
actually,
the
the
correct
term
that
they
use
is
long-term
or
closed-door
Pharmacy.
And
it's
to
me
it's
as
an
architect.
It's
it's
a
fascinating
kind
of
technology.
I
love
that,
because,
first
of
all,
that's
green.
You
don't,
instead
of
like
20
25
50
people
drive
to
the
pharmacy
and
get
their
prescription
just
one
delivery.
Guy
comes
and
get
all
those
deliveries
and
deliver
to
the
clients
or
patients
there's
more
time
to
adjust
everything
and
inspect
everything.
So
basically
it's
not
my
opinion.
G
It
should
be
like
the
expert's
opinion
in
that
field,
but
there's
less
room
for
like
any
delay
or
error
missions
or
whatever,
and
also
imagine
if
we
make
that
a
regular
Pharmacy
with
like
people
walking.
It's
gonna
have
more
traffic
load,
more
noise
and
everything
to
the
neighborhood.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
I
guess
for
the
for
the
neighborhood.
It's
way
better
than
a
traditional
Pharmacy
that
we
used
to
have
like
in
different
places
that
that
was
the
existing
use
was
Medical
Offices.
It
wasn't
Pharmacy,
though,
thank
you.
A
A
D
D
There
will
be
substantial,
aesthetic
improvement,
improvement
to
the
building
with
the
use
of
Spanish
style
architecture,
clay,
barrier,
tile,
roofing,
cement,
patch
cement,
plaster
finish
and
accent,
metal
details.
It
will
adhere
to
the
design
guidelines
of
the
city's
Heritage
Zone.
The
one
concern,
if
you
can
call
it,
is
that
the
building
will
grow
a
little
bit
upward,
but
the
ridge
line
will
stay
the
same.
It
will
be
lengthened
a
little
bit
on
on
either
side.
The
tower
will
be
a
little
bit
higher.
D
I
was
concerned
about
what
sort
of
impact
that
might
have
on
the
adjacent
residential
development
to
the
west,
but
in
looking
at
the
elevations
and
the
building
is
on
the
far
side
of
the
parking
lot
on
the
far
side
of
the
property.
It
appears
to
me
that
the
visual
impact
will
be
quite
minimal,
so
with
all
of
that,
the
architectural
committee
can
recommend
approval
of
the
architectural
elements
to
the
Planning
Commission.
A
A
You
know
and
then
on
down
to
the
corner
and
how
you
just
kind
of
drive
past
it
and
don't
notice
it,
but
I
think
this
is
going
to
really
make
a
nice
aesthetic
addition
to
the
street
and
also
leading
into
future
looks
of
that
area.
As
we
rebuild
that
area,
hopefully
in
the
future,
so,
okay,
okay,
then
we
can
call
for
the
reading.
C
A
B
So
before
we
continue,
the
Brett
McMahon
show
I
just
kind
of
want
to
you
know
kind
of
set
the
stage
here
a
little
bit.
So
with
this
item,
it's
a
little
unique
there's,
there's
no
action
from
the
Planning
Commission.
Here
the
the
recommendation
is,
as
you
guys
probably
saw,
to
receive
and
file,
but
this
is
one
of
the
first
multi-family
Adu
projects
that
we
received
and
it's
handled
at
the
staff
level.
B
So
since
it's
so
unique
and
so
new
you
know
recently
being
put
into
state
law,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
entire
Community
is
aware
of.
You
know
what
can
be
done
and
how
you
know
it.
Could
you
know
one
achieve.
You
know
some
of
our
our
housing
goals
for
the
city,
but
also
have
some
kind
of
unintentional
unintended
consequences.
B
You
know,
like
you,
know,
parking
and
stuff
like
that,
so
we
really
want
to
get
the
word
out.
We
want
people
to
be
aware
of,
what's
being
proposed.
You
know
in
the
neighborhoods
that
they
live
in
or
in
the
projects
that
they
live
in
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
assistant
planner.
Who
will
go
more
in
detail
of
the
of
the
the
project
that's
being
proposed?.
R
Good
evening,
honorable
chairwoman,
playing
Commissioners
again,
my
name
is
Brett
McMahon
and
I'll
be
giving
the
staff
presentation
on
the
Allure
Apartments
Adu
proposal
discussion
before
I
get
into
it.
R
The
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
to
inform
the
Camry,
applying
commission
and
the
public
about
recently
implemented
State
Adu
laws
and
to
provide
more
information
on
our
first
first
submittal
for
a
or
as
submitted
ministerial,
permit
application
subject
to
the
provision
of
newer
Adu
laws
at
the
Allure
apartment
complex
some
background
on
July
26th
of
2023,
the
city
received
its
first
multi-family
residential
Adu
application,
consisting
of
more
than
one
new
unit.
R
The
proposed
project
is
at
the
alert
apartment
complex,
which
is
located
at
390,
Paseo
Camarillo
and
the
existing
apartment
complexes
currently
occupies
a
six
and
a
quarter
acre
site
consists
of
165
apartment
units
spread
out
between
seven
three-story
buildings.
R
On
the
provide
more
background,
the
proposed
Adu
project
will
include
the
conversion
of
37
existing
resident
vehicle
garages
into
15
new
adus.
Six
of
these
will
be
Studios.
Nine
will
be
one
bedrooms.
These
units
will
range
in
size
from
490
to
771
square
feet
and
also
five
of
the
15
adus
will
come
attached
with
outdoor
patios.
R
The
addition
of
new
Landscaping
that
will
protrude
into
the
existing
Drive
Isles
of
the
complex
will
also
be
included
in
a
project.
There
will
also
be
modification
to
eight
existing
Courtyards
throughout
the
complex
and
the
submittal
included.
That
proposal
will
close
off
a
dead-end
drive
aisle
that
will
no
longer
have
garages
along
it.
R
Here's
the
location
map
that
shows
where
the
Allure
apartment
complex
is
located
within
the
context
of
our
great
City
all
right.
So
here
we
have
the
site
the
proposed
site
plan.
If
you
look
at
the
the
top,
one
is
supposed
to
be
the
existing
conditions
and
the
bottoms
what's
proposed.
If
you
look
on
the
the
buildings
with
the
dashes
around
them
are
where
proposed
changes
are
going
to
occur.
R
Specifically
most
of
the
ads
are
going
to
be
installed
on
the
westernmost
portion
of
the
complex
and
buildings
340
and
360..
If
you
see
the
dashed
lines
with
the
with
the
called
out
plan,
note
type
A,
type,
B
and
type
c,
those
are
the
different
Adu
models.
They're
going
to
include
you
can
see
that
they
typically
tend
to
be
on
the
edges
of
the
buildings
up
there
and
then
also
on
that
left
side.
R
And
then
this
is
an
example
of
what
some
of
the
changes
will
look
like
in
the
context
of
the
buildings.
So
this
is
building
340,
which
is
one
of
the
ones
on
the
western
portion
that
we
highlighted
in
that
previous
slide
on
and
on
here
you
can
see
the
Stu
the
two
Studio
models
and
then
the
two
one
bedroom
models,
and
in
this
building
alone,
there's
going
to
be
10.
Garages
lost
the
form
four
new
units
here.
R
All
right
so
moving
into
California
Ade
law.
In
recent
years,
the
state
of
California
has
passed
a
series
of
legislative
acts
to
promote
the
streamlined
construction
of
adus
and
to
limit
the
local
government's
ability
to
regulate
adus.
Two
major
pieces
of
adopted
legislation
were
assembly,
Bill
881,
which
is
off
third
by
representative
Bloom
back
in
2019
and
ab68,
which
is
authored
by
representative
Ting
in
2019.
Some
provisions
of
ab
881
include
when
adus
are
created
through
the
conversion
of
a
garage,
carport
or
covered
parking
structure.
R
Local
agencies
are
also
required
to
ministerially
approve
when
certain
requirements
are
met
or
deny
a
permit
application
for
the
creation
of
an
ADA
within
60
days
from
the
date
they
completed.
The
application
is
received
if
there
is
an
existing
single
family
or
multi-family
dwelling
on
the
lot
and
ab
881
also
prohibits
local
agencies
from
acquiring
parking
for
adus
within
a
half
mile
walking
distance
of
public
transit.
R
Local
agencies
are
also
prohibited
from
requiring
parking
for
adus.
If
the
Adu
is
located
within
an
existing
structure,
an
ab68
includes
a
measure
that
local
agencies
that
requires
local
agencies
to
allow
an
additional
number
of
Adu
units
equal
to
25
percent.
The
number
of
existing
multi-family
units
on
the
property.
This
project
in
particular,
would
only
add
nine
percent
units
to
this
property,
so
they
do
if
they
wanted
to.
They
could
do
this
on
a
larger
scale.
R
All
right
so
moving
into
some
of
the
benefits
of
this
project.
The
city's
Economic
Development
strategic
plan
notes
that
limited
types
of
housing
options
and
housing
affordability
were
both
concerns
from
local
business
owners.
The
project
would
allow
for
15
new
housing
aids
to
be
added
to
the
city's
housing
Supply
on
a
relatively
short
amount
of
time,
and
these
new
units
will
add
six
new
studio
and
nine
one
bedroom
apartments
to
the
city,
which
will
help
increase
the
diversity
of
housing
options
we
have
available
moving
into
some
Pro
concerns
with
the
project.
R
R
R
Next
is
affordability.
State
Adu
law
doesn't
include
affordability,
mandates
for
Adu,
so
there's
no
guarantee
that
these
15
new
units
would
be
affordable
and
an
infrastructure.
The
proposed
project
would
put
pressure
on
the
existing
infrastructure
in
the
area
which
the
city
wouldn't
be
compensated
for,
potentially
necessary
upgrades.
R
Some
available
resources
for
more
information
on
a
specific
project.
You
can
contact
myself
via
email
at
B
McMahon
at
cityofcamrio.org,
for
comments
or
questions
regarding
State
Adu
law.
You
can
contact
our
local
state
representatives,
assembly
members,
Steve
Bennett,
slash
assembly,
member
Jackie,
Irwin
and
state
senator
Monique
Limon
for
tenant
rights.
Information.
Please
contact
the
Area
Housing
Authority
of
the
County
of
Ventura,
and
you
can
see
their
email
and
phone
number
on
on
screen.
H
Yeah
I
think
this
is
a
terrible
project
for
Camarillo
and
and
it's
just
not
a
good
fit.
There
is
a
California
League
of
cities
or
anybody
working.
The
challenge
that
doesn't
even
seem
like
that
would
be
constitutional.
The
force
on
here,
without
even
considering
if
it's
a
good
project
or
not
I,
mean
it
just
I.
B
Haven't
heard
of
any
challenge
to
the
state
law,
I
know
they're,
there's
new
Adu
laws
coming
down
too,
that
are
sitting
on
the
governor's
desk
right
now,
yeah,
so
they're
they're
still
fine-tuning
this,
and
but
yeah
no
I
have
not
heard
of
any
legal
challenges
because.
H
B
Right,
we,
you
know,
we
want
to
make
you
guys,
aware
of
you
know,
what's
happening
in
in
our
city
and
also
inform
the
public
and
the
people
that
live
in
the
in
this
project
that
you
know
what's
being
proposed
now
what
could
be
proposed?
H
C
The
the
law
does
say
that
you
have
60
days
to
approve
or
deny
so
there
are
that
that
it
would
indicate
that
there
are
some
circumstances
under
which
it
could
be
ministerially
denied
I
saw
no
mention
and
of
Public
Safety
access
ways
for
fire
departments
and
their
their
apparatus
that
they
drive
so
My,
Hope
and
expectation,
at
least
from
my
what
I
represent,
would
be
that
staff
would
be
very
critical
of
of
these
projects
that
come
in,
that
that
do
have
such
a
serious
impact
and
while
the
impacts
might
be
areas
that
Sacramento
has
limited
our
ability
to
act,
they
also
have
impacts
on
areas
that
we
absolutely
have
a
right
to
act
to
to
protect
our
community
from
those
things
that
would
put
our
our
citizens
a
danger
and
in
a
project
such
as
this
seems,
seems
kind
of
rot
with
problems
that
would
create
access
issues
for
both
law
enforcement
and
fire.
C
Emergency,
Medical,
Services
and
and
those
those
topics
do
deserve
to
become
Forefront
in
these
in
these
types
of
projects
moving
forward.
So,
while
parking
and
and
Street
congestion
is
sort
of
off
the
board,
I
get
that
I
think
other
things
need
to
come
front
and
center,
and
this
city
needs
to
be
very
active
in
ensuring
that
moving
forward.
That's
that's
this
man's
opinion.
Thank
you.
If.
B
I
may
comment
on
that,
so
the
project
has
been
routed
to
the
revealing
agencies
and
departments.
So
we
do
have
comments
from
like
fire,
for
example,
and
the
the
state
law
says
that
they
must
meet
all
our
development
standards,
so
they
have
to
meet
those
standards
for
for
fire,
and
you
know
for
safety
and
all
that
stuff.
So
we,
when
we
have
say
you
mentioned
we
have
60
days
to
you,
know
approve
this
permit.
It's
approved
this
permit,
you
know
building
permit,
so
they
have
to
really
front
load
everything.
B
B
Now
they
have
to
front
load
everything,
so
we
send
it
to
everybody
and
we
get
a
list
of
everything
that
they
need
to
do
and
we're
like.
Okay.
Well,
here
you
go,
this
is
you
know
it's
not.
We
can't
approve
it
now,
but
by
law
we
have
to
give
them
a
list
like
a
pathway
forward
and
but
and
that
that's
all
the
concerns,
so
it's
kind
of
like
your
the
conditions
of
approval
are
kind
of
being.
You
know
brought
up
in
front
and
you
know
you
have
to
do
this
for
safety.
B
I
C
Thank
you
and
I
would
hope
that
we're
joining
in
partnership
with
the
First
Responders
in
the
community
to
ensure
that
they
understand
the
implications
you
know
we're
all
busy,
and
sometimes
approval
of
things
like
that
are
ancillary
duties
within
for
law
enforcement.
I
can
say
that
having
come
from
that
from
the
first
responder
career
path
and
so
I
hope
that
we're
we're
being
good
partners
and
educating
them
on
the
implications
of
their
decisions,
so
that
it's
not
it's
not
rubber
stamped.
Yes,
we
are
thank
you.
M
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
explanation.
I
was
going
to
ask
what
your
process
looks
like
understand
that
it's
ministerial
but
there's
still
some
pretty
detailed
review
and
I.
Imagine
that
you're
scrutinizing
it
closely
so
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
precedent
that
this
sets
as
well
and
I.
Very
much
appreciate
you
understand:
that's
ministerial,
it's
complete
within
your
purview,
bringing
it
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
promoting
public
transparency
and
engaging
the
public.
So
thank
you
put
yeah.
D
Yeah
I
do
appreciate
you
bringing
it
to
our
attention
this
early
in
the
process.
Will
we
see
this
project
again?
Will
this
be
brought
before
the
Planning
Commission.
B
No,
this
this
project
will
be
reviewed
and
you
know
reviewed
I
should
say
I'm
not
going
to
say
approved
it
or
not,
but
reviewed
because
it's
still
under
review
at
the
staff
level.
So
this
is
the
only
time
you'll
see
the
project.
D
All
right
I
that
that's
unfortunate
to
me,
because
we
have
a
site
plan
that
has
very
very
little
detail
on
it.
We
know
that
there's
a
protrusion
of
landscaping
curbs
into
the
drive
aisles.
We
understand,
there's
a
cut
off
of
what's
called
a
dead,
Drive
aisle.
We
understand
that
the
the
site
is
already
cramped
in
terms
of
Drive
liability,
accessibility
and
I'd,
be
very
interested
to
hear
what
the
fire
department
would
have
to
say
on
this
public.
D
Safe
public
health
and
safety
cannot
be
compromised
on
any
project,
and
so
I
have
I
have
grave
concerns
about
this
project
moving
forward,
especially
with
a
lack
of
information
and
and
especially
in
that
we
won't
have
an
opportunity
to
really
review
a
a
set
of
of
drawings.
That
would
tell
us
actually
what's
happening
with
the
site.
A
R
So
the
the
current
step
of
the
building
is
the
first
floor
along
the
drywalls
as
garages
there
and
then
everything
above
its
apartment
units,
so
they're
taking
certain
portions
of
garages
and
converting
them
into
adus.
So
these
ground
floor
garages.
A
Well,
when
I
read
the
site,
they
say
they
pay
for
a
science
basis
underneath
the
buildings,
and
you
can
see
in
there's
like
openings,
that
you
can
see
when
you
drive
up
there,
that
you
can
see
this
underground
parking.
So
those
don't
look
like
enclosed
garages
when
I
looked
at
the
overview
on
the
satellite
I
could
see
some
other
buildings
that
I
didn't
know.
If
those
were
small
garages
or
storage
buildings,
because
you
looked
like
there
were
garage
doors
on
them.
R
Right
so
the
the
way
this
complex
was
designed
is
the
middle,
the
middle
building
there
that's
the
most
visible
from
the
street
that
that
one
in
particular
has
the
most
units
in
the
complex,
but
it
doesn't
have
enough
room
to
accommodate
all
those
well
I
guess
when
they
designed
it
I.
They
felt
that
probably
wouldn't
have
been
the
best
location
to
put
garages
and
they
needed
to
be
smart
with
their
space.
So
what
they
did
was
they
put
underground
open
parking
under
that
particular
building.
Okay,.
R
Else
in
the
complex,
the
ground
floors,
garages,
okay,.
A
Do
I
did
notice
that
a
couple
of
the
cities
that
I
found
online
that
we're
dealing
with
multi-family
garages
and
conversions
adus
have
set
specific
kind
of
guidelines
and
rules
for
what
they
will
allow.
Will
we
consider
going
into
this,
since
this
is
the
first
one
that
we've
seen
But
developing
some
special
specific
standards
that
would
go
into
our
ordinance
for
this
particular
type
of
construction.
B
F
B
But
yeah
we're
definitely
open
to
considering
that
I
mean
they
would
have
to
go
to
the
I
mean
the
city
council
they're.
The
policy
makers
they'd
have
to
make
the
decision,
but
we
would
could
you
know,
look
into
it
a
little
bit
and
then
see
if
they're
willing
to
if
they
want
to
pursue
that
yeah.
A
I
saw
a
couple,
a
couple:
ideas
that
were
nice.
Specifics
that
would
be
able
to
be,
you
know,
have
if
we
had
them
and
then,
as
far
as
being
affordable
units,
do
we
have
any
teeth
to
make
them
all
affordable.
As
far
as
in
the
government
code,
when
it
says,
accept,
accessory
dwelling
units
provide
housing
for
at
below
market
prices
within
existing
neighborhoods,
and
they
specifically
say
particularly
lower
and
middle
income
earners,
and
also
accessory
dwelling
units
offered
low-cost
housing
to
meet
the
needs
of
existing
and
future
residents.
A
B
H
B
But
when
we
talk
about
it
it
was
they
they
mentioned
that
that
could
be
an
impediment
to
creating
the
adus.
So
we
cannot
require
a
hundred
percent
of
them
to
be
affordable.
A
H
A
Live
there
yeah
that
will
come
out
from
this
and
because,
if
you
start
taking
those
parking
places
away
that
are
under
the
buildings
and
if
all
the
other
Open
Spaces
are
filled
with
additional
cars
of
the
residents
that
live
there,
there
is
no
more
parking
in
there.
A
M
One
other
question:
do
you
know
the
the
vacancy
rate
in
these
apartments
or
for
these
and
across
the
city?
And
there
are
some
cities
that
require
registration
and
that
information
to
be
provided.
M
B
We
don't
know
the
vacancy
rate
of
that.
You
know
apartment
complex.
B
Yeah,
it
is
different
in
regards
to
the
parking
requirement
and
like
the
the
what
we
can,
what.
B
Do
and
then
our
senior
planner
James
Fowler
will
kind
of
explain
that
I.
F
Spend
a
lot
of
time
on
adus,
so
I'm
glad
to
come
up
and
talk
about
them,
even
if
it's
a
sore
subject,
but
so
specifically
for
these
garages.
Adu
law
prohibits
cities
from
requiring
replacement
parking
for
a
garage
that
is
I,
guess
destroyed
by
by
being
converted
to
an
Adu.
So
you
can't
replace
the
garage
that's
destroyed
basically,
and
you
also
can't
require
the
new
Adu.
That's
going
into
the
existing
structure
to
have
parking
so
from
both
angles.
F
We
can't
require
the
parking
we
lost
or
new
parking
for
the
Adu
as
far
as
the
whether
matters,
whether
it's
like
non-livable
space,
actually
they're
using
a
provision
in
the
Adu
code
that
says
you
may
convert
non-livable
space,
so
that's
actually
Central
to
what
they're
doing
the
fact
that
it
is
non-liblical
space.
F
F
A
And
it's
confusing
I
know
reading
through
it,
because
I
was
just
reading
through
what's
online.
Currently
you
know
in
the
Adu
handbook,
which
is
all
marked
up
with
underlines
and
new
words
in
red
and
hot
blue
and
all
this
other
kind
of
stuff,
but
that
was
still
in
part
of
it.
But
it's
hard
to
figure
out
when
you
read
it
in
one
part:
does
it
apply
everywhere
or
is
there
something
that
supersedes
and
jumps
over
that.
D
D
Except
to
I,
guess:
repeat
our
appreciation
for
you
bringing
this
to
our
attention
and
hope
that
you
include
us
as
early
on
in
in
any
other
similar
projects.
We
want
to
stay
with
us.
We
want
to
be
informed,
it's
important
to
to
the
city
and
it's
important
to
our
overall
planning
thanks.
B
Yes,
this
is
a
short
one
this
evening
and
we
do
have
several
items
tracking
for
the
October
3rd
meeting
so
that
that
one
I
will
plan
on
having.
However,
the
October
17th
meeting
is
kind
of
up
in
the
air
a
little
bit.
We
may
have
to
reschedule
that
meeting
for
a
later
date,
we're
kind
of
thinking
in
November,
but
we're
still
not
sure
yet
we're
kind
of
seeing
how
the
projects
are
are
tracking
and
it
it's
also
the
state
of
the
city
that
same
afternoon,
so
they're
not
at
the
same
time.
B
But
you
know
we.
We
do
have
other
items
too,
that
that
aren't
quite
ready
yet
for
the
17th,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're,
you
know
we
can
get
them
to
before
you
guys
in
a
timely
matter,
so
they
don't
have
to
wait
until
you
know
December.