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A
A
A
Are
there
any
questions,
oh
prior
to
that
Let's
have
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
commissioner
Thomas
you'll
lead
us
in
that.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
sorry
I'm,
not
in
that
big,
a
hurry
to
be
out
of
here.
My
apologies,
so
the
consent
item
which
there's
three
items
on
there
are
there
any
questions
from
the
commissioner
I.
F
Had
a
question
just
on
one
of
the
items
just
wanted
to
clarify:
I
looked
at
all
these
and
I'm
fine
with
all
of
them,
but
on
the
amended
Planning
Commission
bylaws
was.
Was
that
the
only
change
on
it
was
the
meeting
time
there
was
nothing
else
on
that
red
line.
Change
set
of
changes
was
there.
Oh
did
I
miss
that
no.
A
F
Meeting
time
and
no
longer
an
ordinance
committee.
B
A
Any
further,
okay,
so
there's
three
items
also
on
the
minutes.
There
are
two
of
the
Commissioners
myself
included,
who
were
not
at
the
meeting
of
December
6.
and
therefore
we'd
be
normally
abstaining
on
approving
minutes.
So
just
when
we
do
the
vote
that
the
record
reflects
that
and
we
are
going
to
be
voting
all
three
items.
B
A
Oh
a
little
issue
with
it,
so
we're
we're
five
zero
on
the
consent,
with
the
inclusion,
as
we
said
mentioned
earlier,
of
an
abstention
on
item
a.
A
Okay,
moving
on
to
public
comments,
this
is
the
time
for
anyone
in
the
public.
If
there's
anyone
here
who
wants
to
address
the
commission
on
anything
not
on
tonight's
agenda,
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
that.
Do
we
have
any
speaker
cards
if
no
one
can
see
no
one
coming
forward,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close.
A
H
Good
evening,
chairman
Espinoza
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
I'd
like
to
present
a
request
from
Jerry
Ambrose
with
UConn
group
on
behalf
of
dish
Wireless.
They
are
requesting
approval
of
a
conditional
use,
permit
cup
416
for
installation
and
operation
of
a
new
camouflaged,
Wireless
Communications
facility.
H
H
H
The
plans
propose
to
remove
the
existing
60-foot
tall,
light
pole
and
install
a
63
foot
tall
light
pole
with
camouflaged
antennas
in
2005.
The
Planning
Commission
approved
a
non-camouflaged
telecommunication
Wireless
facility
cup
274
on
a
different
sports
field,
light
pole
in
kildee
park.
This
was
prior
to
the
revised
ordinance
requiring
camouflage
for
these
facilities.
H
H
The
photo
simulation
on
the
right
shows
what
the
proposed
facility
will
look
like
you'll
notice
that
the
antennas
and
radios
are
covered
by
radomes,
which
are
the
two
cylindrical
structures
above
and
below
the
lights.
The
radomes
are
made
from
radio
wave,
transparent
materials
and
are
designed
to
camouflage
the
antennas
by
matching
the
color
of
the
light
pole.
H
The
nearest
residential
property
is
366
feet
to
the
west
and
is
well
below
the
fcc's
maximum
permissible
exposure
or
MPE
limit
for
the
general
population
based
on
worst
case
predictive
modeling.
The
eme
report
concluded
that
at
the
nearest
walking
and
working
surfaces,
the
maximum
power
density
generated
by
the
antennas
is
approximately
1.72
percent
of
the
fcc's
general
public
limit
and
0.34
percent
of
the
fcc's
occupational
limit.
H
The
eme
report
also
modeled
power
density
from
the
existing
carrier,
plus
the
new
carrier
called
composite
exposure.
Any
carrier
with
a
new
installation
that
contributes
more
than
five
percent
of
the
applicable
MPE
must
Implement
control
measures
based
on
the
eme
report.
The
new
installation
would
not
contribute
more
than
five
percent
to
composite
exposure.
H
H
Service
thresholds
are
shown
here.
Urban
areas
in
dark
green
are
where
subscribers
are
anticipated
to
have
access
to
Dish
service,
while
indoors
Suburban
areas
in
light
green
are
where
are
where
subscribers
are
anticipated
to
have
serviceable
in
a
vehicle,
and
outdoor
areas
in
Orange
are
where
subscribers
are
anticipated
to
have
service
only
while
Outdoors.
H
H
The
project
was
reviewed
in
accordance
with
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act
or
sequa,
and
the
state
sequel
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
city's
environmental
guidelines,
and
it
was
determined
to
be
categorically
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
sequa
under
class
3
for
new
construction
or
conversion
of
small
structures
under
SQL
guidelines.
Section
15303.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
report.
I'll
turn
to
my
fellow
commissioner's
questions
of
Staff.
This
time.
I
J
C
K
So
the
there
wouldn't
be
any
sports
equipment
or
anything
like
that.
That
would
go
in
the
enclosure.
It
would
be
just
for
the
wireless
facility,
and
there
is
typically
on
these
there
so
that
you
can't
see
the
top
they
put
a
chain
link
fence
roof
and
that
prevents
anybody
from
being
able
to
get
into
the
enclosure
and
mess
with
the
equipment
or
from
homeless
people
using
it
as
an
encampment.
So
it
is
really
just
block
walls.
K
K
K
K
It's
a
lost
ball.
Oh
it's
chain
link,
so
it's
not
the
ball's
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
through
there,
but
I
mean
baseball.
Is
I
mean
something
like
a
golf
ball
would
make
it
through,
but
not
a
not
baseball
or
basketball,
or
anything
like
that.
L
F
The
what
the
you
know,
the
federal
versus
local
ordinance,
what
what
we
can't
do
because
we're
as
far
as
the
emissions
and
things
are
there
certain
things
we
can't
consider
because
Federal,
trumps
or
local
ordinances.
H
F
And
then
I
guess
the
follow-up
is
one
of
these
public
comments
that
we
receive.
Maybe
we
have
to
wait
to
the
public
part
of
that,
but
she
talks
about
that.
There
think
there's
several
more
that
are
planned
and
is
is
in
the
analysis,
do
they
ever
consider
the
cumulative
effect
or
do
they
just
look
at
one
at
a
time
in
isolation,
or
is
that
something
that
we
can't?
We
can't
even
consider.
H
K
Yeah
every
time
one
of
the
requirements
for
a
wireless
application
is
that
they
submit
a
eme
report
that
has
got
predictive
modeling
for
the
new
facility
and
then,
if
there
are
existing
facilities,
they
basically
get
the
antenna
information
from
those
facilities
and
they
add
that
into
the
predictive
modeling
report
and
then
determine
the
cumulative
effect
from
all
the
facilities
in
the
area.
So.
K
They
do
they
do,
and
so
the
the
report
in
general
will
have
the
cumulative
maximum
permissible
exposure
and
in
this
particular
case
they
actually
did
take
that
other
facility.
That's
in
Bob
kildee
park
into
account
and
the
it
was
less
than
five
percent
contribution
to
any
of
the
exposure
to
to
any
of
the
eme
fields
being
generated,
and
therefore
it
wasn't
even
a
consideration,
because
these
power,
the
the
wattage
power
of
these
signals,
fall
off
so
quickly,
and
these
things
are
so
distance
from
one
another
that
the
cumulative
effect
is
negligible.
A
M
With
respect
to
the
federal
requirements,
the
fcc's
regulations
are
going
to
control
it's
going
to
prevent
state
and
local
laws,
and
that
has
two
implications.
One
is
the
city
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
regulate
emissions
regulations,
it's
not
going
to
impose
its
own
emissions
regulations,
and
secondly,
is
that
decision
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
deny
an
application
based
on
emissions
regulations
as
long
as
the
outcome
complies
with
FCC
regulations.
F
A
A
couple
questions
now:
one
of
the
special
conditions
is
a
lockout
tag
out
requirement
for
any
work
on
the
antenna
itself
so
forth.
I
have
a
question
about
the
lights
on
that
actual
poll
who
normally
changes
these
lights
out.
When
there's
in
this
okay.
K
A
So
that
becomes
necessary
on
that
particular
poll
location.
The
the
process
procedure
would
be
what
for
for
pbrpd.
K
So
there
is
a
notification
on
the
poll
at
ground
level
that
lets
people
know
that
this
poll
has
Wireless
facilities
at
the
top
of
it,
and
it
then
provides
a
number
to
call
to
notify
the
wireless
server,
the
service
provider
that
they
need
to
access
the
poll.
And
then
the
people
are
appropriately
trained
to
be
able
to
go
up
the
pole
and,
if
necessary,
they
will
shut
the
system
down
for
the
maintenance.
That's
required.
K
Anybody
who
might
the
eme
report
requires
includes
recommendations
for
where
notifications
and
signage
needs
to
go
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
protected,
both
general
population,
as
well
as
occupational
people
that
would
work
on
the
poll.
So
they
would
see
this
notification
at
the
base
of
the
sign
and
before
they
can
at
the
location,
they
would
start
climbing.
So
they
would
know
that
the
facility
is
up
there
and
that
they
and
then
the
number
would
be
there
for
them
to
call
that's.
A
L
A
And
I
I
realized
also
it
it
does,
as
we've
seen
other
applications
of
this
nature
come
through.
They
do
require
them
to
go
out
60
days
after
construction
and
do
an
actual
site
measuring
to
make
sure
that
they
are
in
fact
under
these
FCC
requirements.
As
far
as
the
amount
of
emissions
that
are
occurring
right.
A
Okay
and
there
there
isn't
necessarily
going
to
be
any
monitoring
beyond
that
right.
There's
I
mean
FCC,
Maybe
might
come
out
on
an
annual
basis
or
every
five
years
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
but
beyond
that,
there's
no
way
of
of
determining
whether
everybody
who's
around
that
pole
and
at
the
base
of
the
pole.
Since
it's
at
a
baseball
field
and
it's
a
trafficked
area
which
a
lot
of
cell
towers
are
not,
but
there's
not
expected
to
be
any
sort
of
monitoring
after
that
60-day
measuring.
So.
K
They
there
typically
would
not
be
any
monitoring
on
what
our
experience
in
Camarillo
is.
Is
that
these
the
technology
on
some
of
this
equipment
is
changing
so
often
that
within
one
or
two
years
they
will
be
asking
to
upgrade
radio
units
or
antennas
for
based
on
new
technology,
and
at
that
point
it
becomes
an
administrative
modification
that
staff
would
handle
and
that's
again
a
requirement
of
the
FCC
that,
on
administrative
modifications,
less
than
substantial
change
that
it
be
handled
administratively.
K
K
In
addition
to
that,
ultimately,
when
it
comes
down
to
this,
every
single
provider
is
broadcasting
on
certain
frequencies,
and
the
equipment
has
limitations
on
its
power
that
it
can
broadcast
at
so
in
watts,
is
how
it's
measured
or
effective
radiated
power.
So
those
limitations
are
what
the
worst
case
predictive
modeling
are
going
towards
on.
These
reports
is
they're,
saying
if
this
facility
were
pumped
up
to
its
maximum
possible
power
levels,
what
that's,
what
we're
getting
in
these
eme
reports?
K
So,
most
often,
these
things
don't
actually
have
to
be
pumped
up
to
their
maximum
power
and
the
only
reason
that
they
start
getting
pumped
up
to
higher
power
levels.
They
start
to
reach
their
maximum
is
because
they're
getting
to
a
point
where
they
are
becoming
bogged
down
with
bandwidth
of
things
coming
in
and
out
of
the
network
that
you
know
the
the
airwaves,
and
so
it
becomes
about
quantity
that
that's
when
they
start
having
to
boost
the
power
on
them
again.
Dish
Wireless.
K
If
this
facility
we're
the
only
one
that's
going
to
be
going
into
the
City
of
Camarillo,
this
would
always
be
at
its
maximum
power,
but
ultimately,
dish.
Wireless
is
trying
to
build
out
a
total
of
about
eight
throughout
the
city,
maybe
eventually
10,
and
that
should
give
them
complete
coverage
over
the
City
of
Camarillo.
K
And
at
that
point
you
know
they're
until
they
start
having
way
more
wireless
devices
on
their
Network
they're
not
going
to
have
to
boost
the
power
and
when
it
does
get
to
the
point
where
they
would
have
to
start
boosting
their
power.
They're,
going
to
start
looking
for
a
densification
by
starting
to
put
in
small
cells.
A
Okay,
understood
very
good
and
I
assume
that
there's
probably
Contract
Services
like
if
a
year
down
the
road,
maybe
there's
a
public
concern
that
comes
to
the
city
about
you
know:
hey
are
we
safe,
is
this
safe
and
that
that
Contract
Services
could
be
obtained
to
take
measurements
and
to
put
everybody
at
ease
that
sort
of
thing
we.
K
Always
have
the
ability,
within
the
code,
to
request
that
they
do
a
new
eme
report,
a
field
studied
eme
report
and
we
also
have
a
third
party
contractor
on
contract
with
the
city
that
actually
evaluates
those
reports,
because
our
technical
expertise
isn't
really
what
it
needs
to
be
to
properly
evaluate
a
field
study.
So
we
send,
though,
we
actually
charge
the
provider
to
have
that
report
evaluated
by
a
third
party
contractor
to
make
sure
that
it
we're
understanding
it
and
that
it's
accurate.
K
A
H
I
would
like
to
note,
since
you
mentioned
the
emissions
for
people
walking
near
the
bottom
of
that
pole,
that
that
worst
case
predictive
modeling,
the
maximum
power
density
generated
at
that
nearest
walking
area
is
less
than
two
percent
of
the
fcc's
general
limit.
A
Right
yeah
I
mean
we
understand,
I
mean
the
especially
it's.
It's
I
guess
widely
said
that
you
know
beyond
25
feet:
you're
normally
safe
from
from
these
types
of
antennas,
as
far
as
distance
and
exposure
levels
and
so
forth,
but
it
doesn't
mean
people
won't
get
uncomfortable
about
it
or
might
raise
questions.
So
I
just
want
to
address
that.
A
Okay,
any
further
questions
of
Staff,
okay,
see
you,
then
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
hearing
on
this.
Does
the
applicant
want
to
address
Commission.
N
Works:
okay,
good
evening,
chairman
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jerry
Ambrose
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
dish,
Wireless
I,
actually
don't
have
anything
to
add
to
staff's
presentation.
We
did
work
closely
with
staff
to
come
up
with
this.
This
particular
design
hopefully
acceptable
to
your
commission
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
thank.
A
I
Thank
you
yeah,
so
we
have
a
letter.
That's
in
opposition
to
this
from.
I
Ms
Schmidt
Lynn
Schmidt,
who
is
concerned
about
the
the
overall
impact
with
all
the
facilities.
So
the
first
question
that
she
has
that
that
I'm
aware
of
is,
is
how
many
facilities
do
you
think,
will
be
spread
out
through
the
city.
I
think
we
just
heard
from
Paul
that
that
number
might
be
eight
to
ten
yeah.
I
N
N
I
And
so
then
the
other
concern
was
just
this
overall
cumulative
effect,
so
it
it
sounds
in
in
reading
through
the
report
that,
when
you're
outside
of
any
of
these
facilities
by
say,
100
feet
200
feet,
there's,
there's
no
radiation
or
harmful
effects
on
the
ground
is
that
is
that
true
or
am
I
I'm,
not
meaning
to
generalize.
N
But
in
the
report,
1.72
percent
of
the
SCC
standard,
so
that's
obviously
very
low
and
the
the
next
Tower
down
would
have
something
similar
and
there's.
There's
no
cumulative.
N
Let's
say
it's
three
percent
that
if
you
add
them
both
up
I
mean
it's
really
really
low
as
compared
to
the
FCC
standard
right.
I
N
You're
looking
at
impacts
at
the
ground,
so
the
closest
spot
on
this
particular
project
and
others
like
it,
is
under
two
percent
and
the
antennas
are
in
the
air.
So
they
they
propagate
out
and
it
gets
less
and
less
as
you
go
out
now,
I'm,
not
an
engineer
so
I
can't
say
it
goes
to
zero,
but
it
does
dissipate.
I
Okay,
I
mean
it
sounds
like
and
I'm,
not
an
electrical
engineer,
either
I'm
pretty
far
far
afield
from
this,
but
it
does
reading
through
the
report
sound
like
it
dissipates
within
a
few
hundred
feet
rapidly.
G
Can
we
go
back
to
the
picture
of
the
light
the
proposed
Pole
for
a
minute?
Okay?
G
N
G
N
G
N
G
N
At
a
little
different
yeah,
we
again
we
work
with
staff
to
try
to
come
up
with
something
as
Slim
and
as
narrow
as
possible,
and
that's
what
we
came
up
with.
Okay,.
G
G
N
H
It's
290
feet
from
the
existing
pole
at
that.
G
Very
good,
and
then
we
have
the
difference
in
height.
The
original
pole
is
so
much
higher,
but
was
that
only
because
it's
not
enclosed
and
it
had
to
be
higher
or.
G
K
A
A
O
As
you
mentioned,
my
name
is
Lynn.
Schmidt
I
was
the
individual
that
you
were
referring
to
and
with
some
of
your
questions
and
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
I
was
able
to
submit
this
email.
I
didn't
know
if
I
had
courage
enough
to
come
tonight,
but
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
read
it
and
you
brought
the
questions
to
the
meeting,
so
you
eliminated
at
least
part
of
what
I
was
going
to
ask
tonight.
O
You've
already
heard
my
concerns
about
safety
in
the
community.
I've
lived
here,
52
years
and
I
live
very
close
to
the
park,
had
kids
play
soccer
and
baseball
and
go
to
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
and
the
library
and
the
school
so
I
do
have
some
concern
about
all
of
the
frequencies
that
are
going
to
be
running
over
our
our
heads
one.
O
O
And
that
goes
to
my
next
request,
which
would
be,
as
you
are,
the
Planning
Commission
that
there
be
some
kind
of
interim
plan
generated
for
maybe
at
least
five
years
to
the
Future
to
establish
comes
some
kind
of
annual
maximum
amount
of
of
stealth
or
Wireless
towers
that
are
new
or
upgraded
or
existing,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
again
not
knowing
how
many
of
these
facilities
we
have.
Where
are
they
and
who
is
operating
them?
O
You
answered
my
question
about
the
60-day
reports.
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
going
to
be
annual
reports
or
if,
after
the
60-day
report
is
done,
it's
it's
done
so.
You've
answered
that
question
and
I
appreciate
that
there
is
a
little
known,
I
think
about
my
research
showed
that
there's
little
known
about
the
effects
of
radio
of
frequencies
on
humans
that
will
probably
change
as
we
move
more
to
using
more
of
the
Wireless
Systems
and
I
appreciate
your
due
diligence.
All
right.
Thank.
E
A
Of
thank
you
and
any
further
comments
from
the
public.
Okay,
seeing
none
we'll.
F
M
Mr
Jefferson,
if
I
may,
in
response
to
some
of
the
public
comments
that
were
made,
I
would
reiterate
that
the
FCC
Federal
commissions,
the
FCC,
regulates
Wireless
telecommunications
facilities
and
it's
going
to
preempt
state
and
local
law
in
respect
to
the
number
of
wirelessides
that
could
be
built.
Specifically,
the
city
cannot
Implement
a
ban
or
a
or
any
regulations
that
would
impose
a
significant,
significant
Gap
in
coverage.
F
So
how
about
the
the
list
is
that
something
readily
available?
How
many
we
have
in
town
or
is
that
something
that
City
doesn't
compile
that
data.
B
So
we
do
not
com
at
the
moment,
compile
that
data,
but
we
have
been
you
know,
since
we've
been
receiving
a
lot
of
requests
for
new
facilities.
We
are
maintaining
that
those
records
and
we
are
looking
back
to
see
how
many
you
know
how
many
we've
improved
in
the
past,
but
we
don't
have
that
readily
available
at
this
time.
H
Just
to
answer,
if
I
could
answer,
maybe
part
of
that
question,
we
have
approved
40
Wireless
facilities
in
Camarillo,
so
far
they're
they
haven't
all
necessarily
been
built.
You
know
a
handful
of
them
have
been
approved
very
recently.
A
I
I
think
that
it
that
Ms
Schmidt's
idea
of
developing
a
master
list
for
all
the
facilities
in
town
it
was
actually
two
parts.
One
is
for
all
the
facilities
that
are
in
town
and
also
a
list
of
the
projected
more
Towers
in
the
future
is
a
good
one.
If
it's
not
an
onerous
task,
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
to
produce
that
list,
and
that's
my
comment
on
that.
When.
K
It
when
it
comes
to
the
projection,
the
projection
is
going
to
be
controlled
by
the
market
and
the
number
of
wireless
devices.
So,
as
a
carrier
starts
seeing
more
and
more
wireless
devices
come
online
because
you
know
all
your
grandkids
and
my
child
and
everybody
is
wanting
to
stream.
You
know
ultra
high
definition,
movies.
It's
going
to
require
more
and
more
facilities.
K
The
facilities
are
going
to
be
at
this
point,
we're
talking
about
macro
level
facilities,
but
as
more
and
more
wireless
devices
come
online,
where
your
refrigerator
is
talking
to
your
phone
when
you're
at
the
grocery
store
it's
going
to
require
densification
of
the
network
which
is
going
to
require
that
there
also
be
small
cells
to
start
filling
in
the
gaps.
So,
ultimately
it's
going
to
be
driven
by
demand
in
the
market
and
that's
very
hard
to
predict.
So
we
really
wouldn't
be
able
to
say
how
many
Towers
there
may
eventually
be.
K
K
Have
some
a
little
bit
of
additional
research
to
do
because,
as
was
mentioned,
not
every
facility
that
is
applied
for
actually
ends
up
getting
built
and
some
facilities.
There
have
actually
been
some
facilities
that
have
shut
down
in
Camarillo
because
of,
for
instance,
say
the
the
facility
was
built
on
private
property
and
the
person
chose
not
to
extend
the
lease
to
the
wireless
carrier,
and
so
that
had
to
be
basically
shut
down
and
taken
down.
So
we
have
to
do.
K
We
basically
generally
know
how
many
there
are
and
where
they
are
at,
but
we're
double
checking
to
make
sure
that
they
still
exist,
that
they're
still
active
and
functional
and
that
they
actually
got
built
all.
G
M
Chairperson
I'm
sorry,
if
I
may,
yes,
commission
is
going
to
open
the
public.
Oh
okay!
Well,
the
commission
would
have
to
open
the
public
hearing
to
address
the
public,
including
the
applicant
again.
A
N
S,
this
is,
as
we
talked
about
before
dishes
building
out
a
new
wireless
network,
they're
essentially
becoming
the
fourth
carrier,
because
a
Sprint
went
away
on
T-Mobile
bought
Sprint.
So
as
part
of
all
that,
Arrangement
dish
will
now
be
the
fourth
wireless
carrier:
choice
for
the
for
the
public,
okay,.
E
A
With
that
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
again
any
other
questions.
Commissioner
comments
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
that
it
is
a
very
you
know
reasonable
suggestion
to
try
and
have
a
publicly
available
inventory
of
these
sites,
and
if,
if
understanding
that
there
are,
you
know
various
kinds
of
cell
towers,
you
know
or
cell
Services,
you
know
different
types
of
networks.
You
know
5G,
which
is
going
to
be
like
closer
in
proximity.
A
Primary
born
number
at
some
point
when
all
that
infrastructure
gets
put
in
but
I
think
it's
just
something
that
might
be
important
to
to
research
and
see
what's
possible
to
be
making
publicly
available
for
information
of
that
nature,
that
that
will
be
of
concern
to
the
public.
A
E
A
Five:
zero.
Thank
you
very
much
for
staff
and
applicant
and
with
that
we
move
on
to
presentations
now
mm-hmm.
G
Okay,
so
we
could
stand
here
and
I
would
like
I
would
love
to
have
written.
You
know
like
big
long
Grand
speech,
but
I
did
take
a
few
just
little
notes
just
really
brief.
So
we
started
this
journey
four
years
ago
from
start
to
finish,
as
your
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission
you've
been
a
valuable
addition
to
the
team.
G
G
A
Very
you
know
fantastic
experience
personally
for
me
to
have
been
first
of
all,
I
really
want
to
thank
our
past
council
member
Charlotte
Craven,
who
appointed
me
to
the
commission
four
years
ago.
A
She
served
the
city
for
36
years
and
I
was
very
honored
to
be
appointed
by
her
to
do
this
understanding,
knowing
when
she
did
that
she
would
be
retiring
in
four
years
time
and
that
this
would
be
a
one
term
thing
which
was
gonna
be
fine
with
me,
but
I
I've
saved
the
the
time
of
the
past
four
years
of
being
able
to
work
with
staff
getting
to
know
staff
getting
to
know
all
my
fellow
commissioners
really
makes
it
hard
to
leave
and
makes
it
hard
to.
A
You
know,
walk
out
the
door,
but
it's
been
a
fantastic
experience.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
that
the
city
staff
does
I
worked
in
government
by
myself
and
I.
Think
that
is
my
background
and
I
can't
say
enough
about
the
work
that
that
you
do
here
in
the
city
and
I'm
really
proud
to
be
a
part
of
this
city
and
be
to
have
been
part
of
the
projects
that
we've
approved
the
past
four
years
and
and
look
forward
to
seeing
there
them
come
to
fruition.
A
A
But
thank
you
so
much
and
and
with
that
we
move
on
to
some
presentations
for
outgoing
numbers.
I.
B
B
You
don't
have
a
mic,
so
I'm
trying
to
talk
really
loud
all
right.
Oh
there
we
go
okay,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
both
commissioner
Talmadge
and
chair
Espinoza
for
their
service.
As
Vice
chair,
Vander
Milan
was
mentioning
you
know
four
years
ago.
You
know
you
guys
joined
our
our
team
here
and
boy.
What
a
ride
it
was
so
in
2019
I
feel
like
I
have
my
back
to
everybody,
but
in
2019
you
know
we
came
in.
That
was
your
first
year
you
had
some
training.
E
B
In
2021
we
had
hybrid
meetings
where
we
had
people
that
could
come
in
and
and
then
they
could
still
they're
on
Zoom
also-
and
we
had
these
partitions
here
and
we
could
barely
hear
each
other
talk,
and
so
it
was
a
unique
experience
for
me
going
through
that,
but
with
your
guys's
leadership
and
and
drive
and
commitment,
and
your
experience
that
you
had
you,
you
know
you,
chairman
Espinoza,
you
brought
the
life
safety,
the
fire
aspect
of
it
and
asking
us
questions
about
how
that
aerial
ladder
is
going
to
get
to
that.
B
Second
story-
and
you
know,
help
that
and
commissioner
talmudge
you
with
the
sequa,
you
know
calling
me
up.
You
know
a
couple
days
before
the
meeting
going.
How
did
you
come
to
that
so
and
you
know
definitely
keeping
us
on
our
toes
so,
but
we
appreciate
it
because
we've
we've
evolved
and
we
keep
getting
better
and
that's
kind
of
our
motto
here.
Is
you
know
we
always
want
to
enhance
it?
You
know,
be
transparent
and
continually
improve.
So
you
know
some
examples
of
you
know
from
your
leadership
that
we've,
you
know
kind
of
implemented.
B
You
know
throughout
the
four-year
period
was
you
guys,
asked
us
to
beef
up
our
traffic.
You
know
analysis
a
little
bit
and
kind
of
highlight
some
of
the
key
components
in
there.
So
so
we've
done
that
you
know
and
another
thing
and
tonight's
a
key.
You
know
example
of
that.
Is
you
guys
need
to
beef
up
your
your
analysis
and
your
presentations
with
wireless?
You
know,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
questions,
so
we've
done
that
you
know,
but
you
know
we'll
continue
to
grow,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
guys.
B
E
A
Your
chairman,
okay,
we're
just
finishing
up
with
a
few
final
comments
here,
commissioner
Thomas
once
say.
A
C
I
promise
to
only
have
a
few
words
unlike
other
times,
but
first
off
I
I,
want
to
thank
Sean
Mulkey
he's
in
the
audience,
and
he
was
the
one
that
appointed
me
and
he
and
I
came
in
together
looking
at
well.
What
do
we
do
now
and
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
things
and
we
had
a
wonderful
ride
together
and
for
his
own
reasons.
C
He
did
not
run
for
re-election
and
for
those
reasons
and
others,
it's
time
for
me
to
move
on
down
the
road,
but
I
want
to
say
first
off
there
was
outstanding
support
from
the
city
staff
from
director
Joe
Vaca
on
down
through
all
the
people,
for
correcting
either
something
I'd
done
wrong
or
me
correcting
something
they
may
have
missed
or
whatever.
But
it
was
a
lot
of
fun
in
playing
and
then,
of
course,
were
my
fellow
Commissioners.
C
Three
of
us
were
new
at
the
time
and
we
mumbled
and
fumbled
and
stumbled
and
had
a
great
time
covet
hit
and
we
got
through
that
and
we're
now
free.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
help.
Support
and
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I
know
that
you'll
provide
the
same
kind
of
support
to
the
new
people
appointed
and
I
wish
them
good
luck.
So,
thank
you
all
very
much
really
appreciate
shaded.
F
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
Thank
you
guys
and
congratulations
on
the
the
four
years
you
spent
I
really
enjoyed
working
with
you
guys
and
going
to
conferences
and
getting
to
know
you
and
it
we
see
over
and
over
again
that
it's
the
way
this
commission's
set
up
with
people
from
all
different
backgrounds
that
there's
so
much
contribution,
because
at
every
meeting
seemed
like
everybody
would
come
up
with
questions
and
things
that
I
hadn't
even
considered.
F
You
know
based
on
our
backgrounds
and
the
way
we're
we're
viewing
it
and
Gene
with
his
expertise
in
this
area,
too.
I
think
I
learned
a
lot
at
our
conferences
for
the
last
many
years,
I've
taken
the
sequest
classes,
every
time
and
I
I
still
don't
always
get
secret,
but
I
know
Gene's
kind
of
an
expert
on
that.
We
could
help
that
and
then
Louise
with
his
fire
background,
seemed
like
in
a
lot
of
the
the
focus
on
the
building
things
we
didn't.
F
Even
you
know,
consider
Luis
was
looking
at
access
and
the
ability
to
turn
around
a
fire
truck
and
how
to
get
up
to
that
next
story
and
stuff.
So
everybody's
input
was
so
so
valuable
and
we're
gonna
miss
you
guys.
It
was
fun
working
with
you
and
look
forward
to
working
with
the
new
Commissioners
as
well
to
start
that
next
chapter.
But
congratulations
and
best
of
luck
to
both
of
you
and
we'll
see
you
around
town.
So
of
course,.
A
I
On
yeah,
it
is
yeah,
congratulations
to
both
of
you.
It's
been
wonderful
working
with
you
these
last
four
years,
I
can't
think
of
a
panel
that
would
be
more
Diversified
than
the
one
we
have,
although
the
incoming
Commissioners
also
will
bring
their
own
expertise
in
different
fields
and
I'm
excited
about
that
as
well.
But
I'm
going
to
miss
both
of
you,
Gene
I've
tried
to
to
learn
from
your
style.
You
have
a
way
of
before
you
ask
questions.
I
You
lay
a
foundation
for
the
the
question,
and
that
helps
you
know,
fellow
Commissioners
and
staff
and
applicant
and
the
general
public
understand
where
your
questions
are
coming
from
and
I've
tried
to
do
a
little
bit
more
of
that
myself
as
I
go
along,
but
my
skill
set
does
not
match
yours
in
in
that
area.
So
thank
you
and
I'll
continue
to
to
try
to
get
better
at
that
and
Luis
your
your
expertise
with
your
fire
protection
background.
I
You
always
think
of
things
regarding
safety
and
access
that
I,
don't
think
of,
and
tonight
was
no
exception
when
you,
when
you
asked
about
what
about
the
parks
people
going
up
and
replacing
the
light
bulbs
up
there.
How
is
that
going
to
work?
And
it
occurred
to
me
that
there'll
be
maintenance
people
for
the
facility
itself?
It
is
not
enter
my
head
that
Parks
people
will
actually
be
going
up
there
and
they'll
need
to
to
be
able
to
be
protected
is
well.
I
You
did
that
every
every
meeting
and
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
plus
just
working
with
you
guys
was
a
true
pleasure
and
and
privilege.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
both
of
you.
G
And
so
I've
mentioned
a
little
bit
to
Louise,
but
Jane.
Also,
you
really
brought
me
into
the
field
here.
I've
learned
so
much
from
you,
you've
helped
me
get
started
even
just
running
the
architectural
committee
yeah
analysis.
Okay,
how
do
I
do
this
and
what
are
we
doing
because
I
was
brought
on
kind
of
at
the
last
minute
and
wasn't
familiar
with
the
Planning
Commission
as
much
as
I
was
with
city
council,
so
I
just
can't.
G
You
know
this
last
four
years
and
how
much
I
have
learned
and
how
much
we've
all
shared
and
learned
from
each
other.
So
you
know
they're.
Really
it's
been
great
and
I
do
look
forward
to
figuring
out
how
much
more
I'm
going
to
learn
in
the
next
four
years,
with
our
two
additional
Commissioners
coming
on
so
and
I.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
think
we
still
have
another
mix
of
talents
to
come
in
and
backgrounds,
so
it's
I
think
it's
going
to
work
out,
but
I
will
miss
both
of
you.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
say
to
the
new
incoming
Commissioners
that
you
know,
aside
from
welcome,
I
know
that
you're
going
to
enjoy
and
that
you're
going
to
add
a
lot
to
this
commission
and
let
it
puts
you
at
ease
that
even
in
my
last
meeting,
I
can
skip
right
through
a
pledge
of
allegiance
in
the
agenda
with
all
that
training
and
with
all
that
you
just
never
know
so.
It's
good
to
stay
humble
and
to
keep
an
open
mind
honestly
being
on
the
commission.
A
Is
it
was
The
Learning
Experience
from
meeting
to
meeting
there
was
always
something
new
to
learn
from
every
single
project
and
every
single
applicant
that
comes
to
the
city
and
all
the
work
that
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
to
get
those
applications
from
the
from
the
initiation
to
the
commission.
A
lot
of
work
goes
into
that,
and
so
there's
a
lot
to
learn
so
I
appreciate
you
will
be
your
willingness
to
step
up
and
to
serve
in
that
capacity,
and
with
that
we'll
call
For
Recess.
Now.
G
F
G
B
Okay,
thank
you
chairman,
so
we'd
like
to
have
our
planning
staff
come
up
and
just
kind
of
briefly
introduce
themselves,
and
maybe
if
they
have
a
mask
on,
because
we're
required
to
wear
it.
Some
of
us
just
kind
of
show
your
face
and
say
the
name
and
your
title
and
kind
of
what
what
you
do
for
you
know
the
city
in
your
in
your
role
as
a
planner
here
for
the
City
of
Camarillo.
So
you
want
to
start
us
off.
L
All
right
good
evening,
commission,
my
name
is
Brett
McMahon
I'm,
a
Community
Development
intern
here
at
the
City
of
Camarillo
I've,
been
here
for
half
a
month
now,
and
it's
been
a
tremendous
experience
so
far,
I
love
working
here
and
I'm
excited
for
all
that's
to
come
down
the
road
for
me.
So
thank
you.
S
Good
evening
planning
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jackie
Lee
and
I'm.
The
planning
manager
I've
been
with
the
city
for
over
15
years.
It's
an
awesome,
City
I,
look
forward
to
working
with
the
new
Commissioners
and
our
existing
Commission
and
I
oversee
current
and
long-range
planning.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
exciting
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
bringing
forward
to
you
this
year.
Thank
you.
Thank.
T
Good
evening
I'm
one
of
the
lucky
ones
that
has
to
wear
a
mask
at
the
moment,
but
let
me
just
pull
my
mask
down
for
a
second.
My
name
is
Mike
C
pack
I'm
the
associate
planner
here
I've
been
with
the
city
for
just
over
a
year,
I
started
as
a
planning
technician,
I
work
on
current
planning
and
I
also
work
with
David
and
James
on
on
housing.
So
thank
you,
nice
to
meet
you
guys
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
U
Hello,
I'm,
James,
Fowler
I
started
just
in
August,
but
it's
been
a
wonderful
ride
so
far.
I'm
the
housing,
planner
and
I
should
be
back
before
you
quite
soon
with
some
legislation.
Some
updates
in
response
to
the
legislation
so
nice
to
meet
all
new
faces.
Thank.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
Melissa
Beebe
I'm,
a
planning
technician,
I've
been
working
here
for
a
little
over
six
months
and
I've
really
enjoyed
working
here
and
I.
Look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
in
the
future.
V
Good
evening,
Commissioners,
congratulations
welcome
to
the
planning
commissioner,
commission,
commission,
commissioner
Davidson
and
commissioner
Limon.
My
name
is
Mitchell
Morrison
I'm,
an
assistant
planner,
been
at
the
city
over
a
year
now
and
I
work
two
days
a
week,
I'm
on
the
front
counter,
so
you'll
see
my
smiling
face
up
there.
It's
the
place
to
go
for
basic
permits.
K
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Paul
McLaren
I
am
the
senior
planner
here
in
Camarillo
I've,
been
here
just
over
two
years.
I
work,
both
mostly
current
planning,
but
also
some
long-range
planning,
I'm
working
along
with
side,
Jackie,
we're
working
on
the
climate
action
plan
and
the
update
to
the
safety
element.
K
But
then
you'll
see
me
also
here
to
support
some
of
the
staff,
especially
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
technical
matters
like
we
had
tonight.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
great
year.
Thank
you.
B
B
We,
you
know,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
housing
legislation
that
was
just
recently
passed,
so
we're
scrambling
to
get
that
in
place
and
we're
trying
to
get
our
our
everything
with
our
grants
and
all
the
projects
that
are
being
submitted
so
we're
it's
exciting.
But
honestly,
that's
why
I
came
here.
I
was
before
Camarillo
was
in
Moorpark
and
but
I
wanted
to
work
on
projects
that
you
had
here
in
Camarillo.
So
and
then,
if
we
could
have
our
director
Joe
Vaca
come
up.
P
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Moe
well
welcome
commissioner
Limon
and
commissioner
Davidson
and
then,
of
course,
welcome
back
planning,
Commissioners
we're
so
excited
to
have
you
all
with
us.
We
also
have
a
new
assistant,
City
attorney,
Justin
Tamayo,
so
Mr
Tamayo
welcome
aboard.
We
look
forward
to
working
together
and,
as
you
can
see,
we're
very
blessed
and
have
a
great
staff,
that's
newer
staff,
but
very
eager
to
learn
committed
to
working
together.
We
have
excellent
staff
that
we
collaborate
with
in
our
public
works
department,
so
momentarily
I'm.
P
So
we
look
forward
to
continuing
the
trends
that
have
been
long
established
here
in
Camarillo,
which
is
to
collaborate
with
all
the
Departments
and
divisions
in
City
Hall
to
bring
forward
the
best
projects
for
the
community
for
your
consideration
and
then,
of
course,
truly
appreciate
your
volunteerism
and
putting
in
the
time
and
energy
that
makes
this
such
a
wonderful
place
to
live
and
work.
So
look
forward
to
working
together.
W
Tucker
I'm,
the
assistant
director
of
Public
Works
and
the
city
engineer
I've
been
with
the
city
coming
up
on
29
years
and
I've
been
supporting
the
Planning
Commission
twice
a
month
as
well,
whenever
there's
a
meeting
for
29
years
so
anyway,
I
enjoy
it
cameras
want
a
place
to
live
and
work
and
I
enjoy
meeting
everyone
that
that
comes
so
I'll
sure
I'll
get
to
know
you
Rob
and
you
Gladys,
and
welcome
aboard,
and
it's
been
a
pleasure
serving
the
rest
of
you
for
all
this
time.
Thank
you.
D
G
B
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
vandermeulen,
so
we
have
four
presentations
tonight,
we're
going
to
start
off
with
sequa
it's
our
first
presentation.
V
Have
written
a
poem
about
it
and
I've
been
encouraged
to
share
it
and
I'll
just
give
an
appetizer
with
the
first
stanza
that
all
time
allows
for,
but
the
poem
begins
with
Consultants
attorneys
and
agencies
all
have
their
say
on
what
sequa
is
means
and
what
role
it
should
play.
But
why
does
this
statute
I
have
studied
and
read
often
leave
me
stumped
and
scratching
my
head
I
think
I've
nailed
Concepts
firmly
in
my
mind,
and
they
just
slip
through
my
fingers.
You
know
it's
it.
V
You
can
study
sqa
for
years
and
years
and
there's
always
more
to
learn.
So
maybe
time
will
permit
the
rest
of
the
poem
at
some
future
date.
But
let's
get
right
down
to
business.
Here's
our
agenda.
What
is
sqa,
how
does
SQL
work
and
what
is
a
planning
commissioner's
role
in
SQL
so
beginning
with
what
is
SQL?
It
is
a
state
statute,
it
is
policy
and
it
is
guidelines.
There
are
three
parts
there:
a
brief
timeline:
President
Nixon
signs,
NEPA,
the
National
Environmental
Policy
Act,
and
the
law
in
1970.
V
Only
nine
months
later,
Governor
Reagan
signs
sequa
into
law,
and
then
it's
the
seminal
friends
of
Mammoth
versus
Mono
County
case
in
September,
22nd
1972
that
really
give
secret
teeth,
because
the
statutory
interpretation
from
this
case
is
that
SQL
applies
to
private
projects,
not
just
not
just
government
projects
or
state
projects,
but
private
projects
on
private
land
that
require
a
public
permit.
A
permit
from
a
public
agency
I
should
say,
brings
us
to
May
2020.
V
That
brings
us
to
today
in
2023
in
the
discretionary
projects
that
will
be
brought
before
you
for
you
to
vote
on.
So
I'll
start
with
sqa
being
a
state
statute.
It
is
legislation,
it's
codified
in
state
law
and
section
2100
of
the
public
resources
code,
and
the
purpose
here
is
really
that
sequa
assists.
You
as
decision
makers
in
identifying
the
significant
effects
of
projects
and
if
there
are
mitigation
measures
to
avoid
or
lessen
those
significant
impacts,
sequence
public
policy.
V
V
V
So
how
SQL
works
is
it's
about
documentation,
mitigation
and
litigation
developers
and
opponent
groups,
love
to
litigate
lead
agencies,
so
it's
very
important
that
the
administrative
record
is
clear
and
shows
the
findings
so
I'll
get
into
this
is
a
pretty
simplified
SQL
process
slide
I've
tried
to
boil
it
down.
It's
really.
The
first
decision
that
needs
to
be
made
is
whether
a
project
is
a
project
under
sequa.
If
a
project
has
the
potential
to
have
significant
physical
impacts
on
the
environment,
then
it's
a
project
under
sequa.
V
If
it's
I
I
was
thinking
what's
a
practical
example
of
not
a
project,
routine
sequence
says
it's:
it's
administrative
actions
undertaken
by
government
agencies
like
budgets,
routine,
administrative
actions
that
don't
have
a
potential
for
a
significant
impact
on
the
environment.
That's
not
a
project!
If
it
is
a
project,
the
public
agency
and
staff
will
determine
if
it's
exempt,
there's
different
paths.
V
It
can
take
for
exemptions,
but
if
it's
not
exempt,
the
public
agency
needs
to
evaluate
the
project
to
see
what
the
significant
impacts
are
and
what
the
effect
they
would
have
on
the
environment
if
there
is
a
potentially
significant
impact.
The
lead
agency
needs
to
prepare
an
environmental
document.
V
Now
you'll
see
these
in
documents
in
your
agenda
packets.
If
there
is
one
involved
to
illustrate
this
point,
I
created
these
this
overlay
here,
the
the
means
by
which
a
project
is
evaluated
is
it's
in
an
initial
study,
and
if
there
is
one
impact
so
to
let's
say
biological
resources,
then
the
the
lead
agency
will
prepare,
what's
called
an
environmental
impact
report,
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration
or
a
negative
declaration,
and
that
is
a
document
you'll
find
in
your
agenda.
Reports
there's
three
different
types
of
SQL
documents.
V
Just
generally
speaking,
if
there
are
significant
impacts,
it's
an
eir
if
the
impacts
can
be
mitigated
to
a
less
than
significant
level.
It's
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration
and
if
all
the
impacts
are
less
than
significant,
it
is
a
negative
declaration.
That's
pretty
much
a
rare
species.
You
hardly
ever
see
them
anymore.
The
only
one
I've
ever
prepared
is
for
a
water
district
and
the
scope
of
work
was
to
purchase
land
and
maintain
the
land
in
its
existing
condition.
V
It's
the
only
time,
I've
ever
done
a
negative
declaration,
so
the
SQL
requires
significant
impacts
to
be
mitigated.
This
is
where
a
sequel
is
a
bit
different
than
its
counterpart
at
the
national
level,
and
the
lead
agency
has
a
responsibility
by
state
law
to
mitigate
impacts,
to
the
point
where
clearly
no
impact
would
remain
after
the
project.
V
So
you'll
see
those
mitigation
measures
in
mitigated,
negative
declarations
or
eirs
I'll
go
over
this
one
briefly,
there's
at
least
five
different
ways
to
mitigate
significant
impacts.
You
avoid
the
impact,
minimize,
Rectify,
reduce
or
compensate
the
impact
on
the
environment,
but
to
go
into
depth
on
this
would
be
getting
into
the
weeds
so
prevailing
in
litigation
for
wheat
agencies.
It's
really
about
disclosing
impacts
on
the
environment.
You'll
see
that
on
in
your
environmental
documents
that
accompany
projects
that
require
a
SQL
document,
and
you
only
have
to
mitigate
significant
impacts,
but
here's
where
SQL
really
bites.
V
V
If
there's
anything
you
take
away
from
the
presentation
this
evening,
take
away
this
that
SQL
links,
land
use
decisions
to
the
environmental
impacts,
they
would
have
there's
a
bit
of
confusion
out
there
about
the
purpose
of
sqa,
and
one
of
the
clearest
messages
is
that
SQL
documents
are
informational,
they're,
not
decisional
documents,
they're
meant
to
inform
the
decisions
you
make.
The
land
use
decisions
not
make
the
decisions
themselves.
The
SQL
document
doesn't
recommend
approval
or
denial
of
a
project.
V
It's
simply
there
to
inform
your
decision
and
to
give
the
public
the
disclosure
to
understand
how
what
role
that
environmental
analysis
plays
in
the
land
use
decision
that
you're
making.
So
the
sequence
notices
and
the
agenda
items
that
you'll
see
in
your
agenda
reports
such
as
adopting
an
M
D
or
certifying
an
eir.
Those
are
separate
decisions
from
whether
or
not
to
approve
or
deny
a
project.
It's
really
important
and
then
so
SQL
is
about
substantial
evidence
in
the
public
record.
K
K
We
wanted
to
give
you
this
training
to
give
you
some
background
to
help
to
inform
questions
you
may
have
and
give
you
information
on
how
we
we
do
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
5G.
We
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
eme
reports.
We
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
things
tend
to
work,
and
so
we
kind
of
wanted
this
great
presentation
to
help
help
to
give
you
that
information
and
inform
the
questions
that
you
would
answer
in
the
future.
K
K
K
These
electromagnetic
frequencies
are
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
use
the
bad
term
that
we
never
want
to
use,
but
it's
radiation
radiation
is
any
of
these
frequencies
microwave
radiation
ultraviolet
radiation.
These
are
that's,
that's
really
what
it
is-
and
you
know
ultraviolet
will,
give
you
a
sunburn
and
you're
being
exposed
to
it.
Every
single
day
you
go
out
in
the
sun
radio
waves
when
you
listen
to
your
radio
in
your
car
you're
getting
radio
waves.
K
When
you
turn
you
push
the
button
on
your
remote
at
home,
there
are
radio
waves
coming
out
of
that
remote
control,
visible
light
that
we
have
in
this
room
right
now
is
in
the
Spectrum
But.
K
Ultimately,
the
blue
box
down
here
is
where
Wireless
tends
to
live,
although
we
are
starting
to
get
up
here
into
what
they
call
a
millimeter
wave
technology
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later,
but
how
this
whole
thing
works
is
the
federal
government
has
set
aside
this
blue
box
for
telecommunications
and
then
they've
auctioned
it
off
to
each
one
of
the
providers
for
billions
of
dollars
for
them
to
be
able
to
use
that
particular
frequency
of
spectrum?
K
So
T-Mobile
ends
up
getting
800
Hertz
and
that's
the
only
well
800
to
850
and
that's
their
space,
and
so
their
devices
can
only
broadcast
within
that
range,
which
is
why
every
single
provider
needs
to
have
its
own
frequencies
and
therefore
its
own
devices.
It's
you
know,
T-Mobile
and
at
T
can't
both
use
the
same
antenna
because
those
antennas
are
going
to
have
to
broadcast
per
what
they've
bid
on
and
what
they've
you
know
won
in
a
specific,
very
specific
frequency.
K
K
Well,
there's
also
the
fact
that
you
know
there's
many
stories
about
birds
that
are
actually
nesting
right
behind
these
Wireless
facilities,
they're,
actually
making
these
facilities
to
where
they
can't
touch
the
bird
nests
under
regulations,
because
some
of
the
birds
are
endangered
species
and
they're.
K
Finding
that
the
birds
come
back
every
single
year,
they
have
their,
they
lay
their
eggs,
they
have
their
children,
their
children
fly
away
safely
and
they're
doing
this
right
on
these
Wireless
facilities
going
to
some
of
the
things
that
were
said
a
little
earlier,
what
the
city
cannot
do.
The
city
cannot
deny
a
request
to
authorize
to
authorize
the
place
place,
construct,
modify
a
wireless
communication
facilities
based
on
the
effects
of
radio
frequencies
to
human
health,
to
the
extent
that
that
facility
complies
with
the
fcc's
regulations
concerning
those
emissions.
K
So
what
does
the
city
do
to
ensure
that
this
happens?
Is
we
ask
for
that
predictive
worst
case
predictive,
modeling
eme
report
in
advance?
We
make
sure
that
report
is
a
lot
of
times.
We
are
really
trying
to
ask
them
for
additions
and
changes
and
modifications
to
that
report
to
make
it
as
understandable
to
the
general
public
as
possible
But.
K
K
So
let's
talk
about
technology
for
a
minute,
because
this
becomes
a
big
question,
so
we
start
out
with
macro
cells.
What
was
approved
tonight
was
a
macro
cell
facility.
These
things
broadcast
a
few
miles.
They
cost
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
build
and
they're,
basically
the
umbrella
that
covers
the
city,
to
try
to
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
a
signal.
K
Once
we've
started
exceeding
the
capacity
of
these
macro
cell
facilities,
they're
going
to
want
to
start
to
what
they
call
densify
the
network,
because
the
airwaves
just
can't
handle
too
much
signal,
so
they
need
to
get
it
off
the
airwaves
and
into
Broadband
or
into
fiber
optics.
So,
in
order
to
do
that,
they
start
they'll
start
installing
small
cells,
City
of
Camarillo
only
has
one
small
cell.
It's
at
Wood
Creek
and
Santa
Rosa
Road.
It's
a
single
pole
that
you
look
up
there
and
it's
a
cantana
sitting
on
top
of
it.
K
That's
the
only
small
cell
the
city
currently
has
everything
else
is
macro
cells.
This
building
has
actually
got
the
femto
cells
in
that
you
have
a
distributed.
Antenna
system,
which
is
a
gas
network,
is
what
they
call
them,
and
that
would
be
the
femto
cells
and
that's
how
you
make
sure
that
inside
of
a
building,
you
can
help
get
wireless
signals
to
all
the
phones
on
the
inside
of
a
building.
K
So
this
is
what
I
was
talking
about
earlier
when
it
comes
to.
You
know,
right
now,
Dish
Network
they're,
trying
they're
to
densify
their
macro
layer,
they're
trying
to
get
in
these
really
big
towers
that
are
going
to
cover
a
couple
of
square
miles
and
cover
all
of
Camarillo
again
when
capacity
exceeds
what
these
things
are
capable
of
doing
and
there's
really
no
room
to
build
out
and
they're
having
these
Pockets
or
certain
areas
like
Constitution
Park
on
you
know
what
free
concert
night,
where
everybody's
trying
to
record
and
use
their
cell
phones
and
stream.
K
It
live
we're
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
the
towers
can't
handle
that
kind
of
volume,
and
so
at
that
point
they're
going
to
start
asking
for
small
cells,
because
the
small
cells
will
be
able
to
pick
it
up,
broadcast
it
to
a
macro
cell
and
then
get
it
onto
fiber
and
out
to
the
network.
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
see
but
Camarillo
we're
not
really
at
that
level
of
densification
where
we're
getting
small
cells.
Yet
so
what
is
5G?
K
Q
Every
new
generation
of
wireless
networks
delivers
faster
speeds
and
more
functionality
to
our
smartphones.
1G
brought
us
the
very
first
cell
phones,
2G.
Let
us
text
for
the
first
time,
3G
brought
us
online
and
4G
delivered
the
speeds
that
we
enjoyed
today,
but
as
more
users
come
online.
4G
networks
have
just
about
reached
the
limit
of
what
they're
capable
of
at
a
time
when
users
want
even
more
data
for
their
smartphones
and
devices.
Q
Now
we're
headed
toward
5G
the
next
generation
of
Wireless,
it
will
be
able
to
handle
a
thousand
times
more
traffic
than
today's
networks
and
it'll
be
up
to
10
times
faster
than
4G
LTE.
Just
imagine
downloading
an
HD
movie
in
under
a
second
and
then
let
your
imagination
run.
Wild
5G
will
be
the
foundation
for
virtual
reality,
autonomous
driving,
the
internet
of
things
and
stuff.
We
can't
even
yet
imagine,
but
what
exactly
is
a
5G
Network.
Q
First
up
technology
number
one
millimeter
waves,
your
smartphone
and
other
electronic
devices
in
your
home
use
very
specific
frequencies
on
the
radio
frequency
spectrum,
typically
those
under
six
gigahertz,
but
these
frequencies
are
starting
to
get
more
crowded.
Carriers
can
only
squeeze
so
many
bits
of
data
on
the
same
amount
of
radio
frequency
spectrum
as
more
devices
come
online,
we're
going
to
start
to
see
slower
service
and
more
draft
connections.
Q
The
solution
is
to
open
up
some
new
real
estate,
so
researchers
are
experimenting
with
broadcasting
on
shorter
millimeter
waves,
those
that
fall
between
30
and
300
gigahertz.
This
section
of
spectrum
has
never
been
used
before
for
mobile
devices
and
opening
it
up
means
more
bandwidth
for
everyone,
but
there
is
a
catch.
Millimeter
waves
can't
travel
well
through
buildings
or
other
obstacles,
and
they
tend
to
be
absorbed
by
plants
and
Rain
to
get
around
this
problem
we'll
need
technology
number
two
small
cell
Networks.
Q
Today's
wireless
networks
rely
on
large
high-powered
cell
towers
to
broadcast
their
signals
over
long
distances,
but
remember
higher
frequency.
Millimeter
waves
have
a
harder
time
traveling
through
obstacles,
which
means,
if
you
move
behind
one,
you
lose
your
signal.
Small
cell
networks
would
solve
that
problem
using
thousands
of
low-power
mini
base
stations.
These
base
stations
would
be
much
closer
together
than
traditional
Towers
forming
a
sort
of
relay
team
to
transmit
signals
around
obstacles.
Q
This
would
be
especially
useful
in
cities,
as
the
user
moved
behind
an
obstacle,
his
smartphone
would
automatically
switch
to
a
new
base
station
in
better
range
of
his
device,
allowing
him
to
keep
his
connection
next
up.
Technology
number
three
massive
Mimo
mimo
stands
for
multiple
input:
multiple
output,
today's
4G
base
stations
have
about
a
dozen
ports
for
antennas
that
handle
all
cellular
traffic,
but
massive
mimo
base
stations
can
support
about
a
hundred
ports.
This
could
increase
the
capacity
of
today's
networks
by
a
factor
of
22
or
more.
Q
Of
course,
massive
mimo
comes
with
its
own
complications.
Today's
cellular
antennas
broadcast
information
in
every
direction
at
once,
and
all
of
those
Crossing
signals
cause
serious
interference
which
brings
us
to
technology
number
four
beam
forming
beam
forming
is
like
a
traffic
signaling
system
for
cellular
signals.
Instead
of
broadcasting
in
every
direction,
it
would
allow
a
base
station
to
send
a
focused
stream
of
data
to
a
specific
user.
This
Precision
prevents
interference
and
it's
way
more
efficient.
That
means
stations
could
handle
more
incoming
and
outgoing
data
streams
at
once.
Q
Here's
how
it
works,
say:
you're
in
a
cluster
of
buildings
and
you're
trying
to
make
a
phone
call.
Your
signal
is
ricocheting
off
of
surrounding
buildings
and
crisscrossing,
with
other
signals
from
users
in
the
area.
A
massive
mimo
base
station
receives
all
of
these
signals
and
keeps
track
of
the
timing
and
the
direction
of
their
arrival.
Q
It
then
uses
signal
processing,
algorithms
to
triangulate,
exactly
where
each
signal
is
coming
from
and
plots
the
Best
Transmission
route
back
through
the
air
to
each
phone,
sometimes
it'll,
even
bounce,
individual
packets
of
data
in
different
directions
off
of
buildings
or
other
objects,
to
keep
signals
from
interfering
with
each
other.
The
result
is
a
coherent
data
stream
sent
only
to
you,
which
brings
us
to
technology
number
five
full
duplex.
Q
Q
Q
Researchers
have
used
silicon
transistors
to
create
high
speed
switches
that
halt
the
backward
roll
of
these
waves.
It's
kind
of
like
a
signaling
system
that
can
momentarily
reroute
to
trains
so
that
they
can
get
past
each
other.
That
means
there's
a
lot
more
getting
done
on
each
track.
A
whole
lot
faster,
we're
still
working
out
many
of
The
Kinks
with
millimeter
waves,
small
cell
networks,
massive
mimo,
beam,
forming
and
full
duplex.
In
fact,
all
of
5G
is
still
a
work
in
progress.
Q
E
K
All
right,
so,
ultimately,
the
intent
of
that
video
was
to
help
you
to
understand
that.
Well,
everybody
seems
to
want
to
ask:
is
this
particular
device
that's
going
to
be
coming
in?
Is
it
going
to
be
5G
and
ultimately
any?
Nobody
really
knows
what
5G
is
yet
it's
not
even
really
defined
yet,
and
most
of
this
stuff
is
actually
more
software
than
it
is
technology
that's
being
installed,
so
5G
is
still
something
that
is
being
developed.
It's
still
something
that
is
coming
again.
5G
is
probably
not
in
Camarillo.
K
Yet
because
we're
not
starting
to
get
the
small
cells,
we
don't
have
the
capacity
Demand
yet,
but
ultimately,
if
the
market
grows
enough
in
Camarillo,
they
will
want
to
start
installing
5G
and
Camarillo
I'd
like
to
talk
next
about
some
more
of
the
technology,
which
is
the
antennas
there's.
Typically,
two
primary
types
of
antennas,
there's
directional
antennas,
and
these
literally
do
what
they
say
they
broadcast
in
a
direction.
K
These
are
the
ones
that
are
used
in
the
macro
sites.
The
one
small
cell
site
we
have
in
Camarillo
is
using
what
they
call
an
omnidirectional
Tana
antenna
which
are
can
be
whipped.
Antennas
or
can
antennas,
so
this
is
actually
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this
particular
eme
report
that
came
out,
but
this
is
just
a
some
an
example
of
one
of
the
reports
you
will
see
and
it
shows
how
these
macro
directional
antennas
actually
broadcast,
so
they
don't
broadcast
in
a
single
strength
in
every
single
possible
Direction.
K
They
broadcast
with
a
specific
strength
in
one
particular
direction.
It's
usually
about
60
degree
angle
out
from
the
antenna,
and
it's
never
deviates
more
than
about
five
degrees
to
above
and
below.
So
these
are
really
going
from
their
locations
straight
out.
That's
so
that
they
can
get
out
there
and
they
can
both
intercept
signals
coming
in
and
so
that
they
can
get
their
signals
out
there.
K
K
The
report
is
also
going
to
make
these
recommendations,
so
the
office
of
engineering
and
technology
is
part
of
the
FCC.
They
came
out
with
oet
bulletin
65,
which
was
done
in
1997,
based
on
all
that
research
that
the
World
Health
Organization
and
the
American
Medical
Association
and
the
CDC
has
done
on
wireless
and
they've
determined.
What
is
a
maximum
permissible
exposure
for
the
general
population
and
what
is
a
maximum
permissible
exposure
for
a
controlled
occupational?
K
That
would
be
the
guy
who
goes
up
on
top
of
the
pole
to
fix
the
lights,
the
guy
who
goes
on
top
of
the
roof
to
fix
the
AC
equipment.
That
would
be
the
occupational
control
exposure
limit
and
these
emissions
can
actually
be
exceeded
so
long
as
they're
not
exceeded
where
it's
going
to
be
in
the
general
population
or
general
public,
uncontrolled
exposure.
And
then,
when
they're
in
the
controlled
areas,
there's
going
to
be
warnings.
K
So
there's
going
to
be
a
notification
sign
at
the
base
of
the
light
pole
you're
going
to
get
up
on
a
roof
and
before
you
open
the
hatch
to
the
proof,
there's
going
to
be
a
notification
that
you're
entering
a
roof
that
has
Wireless
on
the
facility
and
then,
as
you
approach
the
back
of
the
facility
you're
going
to
see
signs
like
these
caution.
Signs
I
physically
go
up
on
the
roofs
myself
at
the
end
of
these
installations
and
verify
that
these
signs,
as
required
by
the
eme
report,
are
actually
in
place.
K
I
take
pictures
of
them
so
we're
verifying
that
all
of
this
stuff
is
actually
there
that
they're
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
honestly.
You
know
I
think
this
is
also
fantastic
because
I
don't
know
what
you
guys
were
doing
when
you
were
a
teenager,
but
I
was
looking
for
roofs
to
climb
up
on
and
hang
out
on.
We
don't.
We
want
there
to
be
warnings,
because
there
is
crazy
things
like
that
that
happen.
So
we
do
want.
K
You
know
These
Warnings
to
be
there
so
that
you
know
if
a
teenager
were
to
get
up
there,
they
might
freak
out
and
decide
that
this
isn't
the
best
place
for
them
to
be
so
understanding
the
eme
report,
the
language
here
at
the
bottom,
is
what
you're
really
looking
for
and
that's
where
it's
telling
you
exactly
what
the
maximum
permissible
exposure
is
at
different
levels
generally.
What
we
want
to
look
at
is
the
very
bottom
one
where
it
says
at
ground
level.
K
Well
now
some
people
may
say
that
any
exposure
is,
you
know
a
problematic,
but
right
now
we're
all
getting
exposure,
we're
all
getting
exposure
from
the
Wi-Fi
in
the
building,
we're
all
getting
exposure
from
standing
in
front
of
the
microwave
waiting
for
our
food
to
heat
up.
So
that's
where
the
FCC
has
come
up
with
these
numbers,
that
this
is
the
maximum
of
permissible
exposure.
That's
not
going
to
have
any
permanent
Health
effect
on
a
human
being.
K
So
then
the
EMA
report
is
also
going
to
have
something
that
looks
like
this,
which
again
is
saying.
This
is
where
you
need
to
put
all
these
notifications.
This
is
where
you
need
to
put
the
signage
in
order
to
make
sure
that
people
are
properly
warned
about
the
dangers
that
could
possibly
come
from
exposure
at
these
high
levels,
and
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation.
G
K
I've
been
doing
this
I
started
in
Santa
Monica.
Writing
their
Wireless
ordinance,
so
back
in
2013,
so
I've
been
doing
this
for
10
years
and
that's
the
only
reason
that
I
know
what
I
know
about
it
is
10
years
of
research.
So
it's
not
something
that's
easily
caught
on
to
there's
a
lot
of
Technology
involved.
There's
a
lot
of
science
involved
so.
M
Good
evening
Mr,
chairperson
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Justin
Tamayo
I
work
in
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
I
have
two
slides
prepared
this
evening
for
you
on
the
brown
act
as
an
introduction,
a
refresher
for
for
many
of
you.
So
the
brown
Act
is
commonly
referred
to
as
open
meeting
law.
M
So
with
respect
to
attendance,
any
member
of
the
public
can
address
the
commission
on
any
item
within
its
subject
matter:
jurisdiction,
the
Planning
Commission
subject
matter.
Jurisdiction
is
going
to
be
anything
related
to
planning,
zoning
and
general
and
land
use.
So
anything
in
that
area.
The
public
can
address
the
Planning
Commission
on.
M
M
These
things
can
all
constitute
a
meeting
that
would
violate
the
brown
Act
and
the
other
last
kind
of
pillar
of
the
brown
Act
is
it
prohibits
the
Planning
Commission
from
taking
action
on
any
item?
That's
not
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
this
typically
arises
generally
in
the
beginning
of
meetings.
There's
a
time
set
aside
for
the
public
to
address
the
commission
on
items
not
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
this
is
kind
of
where
it
comes
up.
M
The
commission
can
hear
what
what
the
public
has
to
say,
but
it
cannot
discuss
or
take
action
on
it
things
that
the
commission
can
do
in
response
to
that.
In
those
situations
you
can
make
brief
statements
in
response.
You
can
ask
clarifying
questions.
You
can
ask
staff
to
analyze
something
and
report
on
it
in
the
future.
You
can
ask
staff
to
schedule
something
for
future
Planning
Commission
hearing
and
yeah
so
I
mean
that
that's
a
brief
introduction
and
kind
of
refresher
on
the
major
pillars
of
the
brown
act.
M
B
So
what
we're
the
Hope
here
in
the
intent
of
the
the
training
is
to
just
kind
of
give
you
guys
the
the
foundation
or
and
just
kind
of
introduce
you
to
all
these
topics,
or
you
know
for
our
veterans
here,
just
to
kind
of
as
a
refresher
and
then
the
plan
is
that
you
take
this
information
and
in
March,
go
to
the
planning,
Commissioners,
Academy
and
really
kind
of
dive
in
and
kind
of,
you
know
choose
those
classes
that
you
want
more
information
on
and
ask
those
questions
and
network
and
see
what
other
cities
are
doing
on
those
topics
and
and
really
one
of
the
the
the
things
we
like
to
say
around
here
is
have
fun
with
it,
so
go
out
there
and
have
fun
with
it.
B
So
I'm
gonna
do
a
a
presentation
on
Planning
Commission,
101
I'm,
going
to
go
over
a
lot
of
information
in
in
a
very
short
amount
of
time.
I
I
will
be
available
for
questions
and
but
just
kind
of
bear
with
me
here.
So
all
right.
So
plenty
commission,
101.
B
So,
okay,
basically,
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
go
over.
You
know
a
brief
overview
of
land
use
and
local
planning
process.
You
can
do
the
next
slide.
Please.
So
is
there
a
way
to
turn
this
on
anyways?
Okay,
oh
at
least
got
the
laser
pointer
okay.
So
so
why
do
we
need
a
local
processor?
You
know
have
zoning
or
what?
What
is
the
problem?
Well
on
the
left,
you
can
kind
of
see
nice
two-story
house.
You
know
nice
neighborhood,
but
without
you
know
the
proper
land
use,
controls
and
police
power
of
the
city.
B
You
know
within
a
very
short
amount
of
time.
Someone
could
come
in
propose
a
20-story
apartment,
complex
literally
right
in
your
backyard,
so
kind
of
oh.
Can
you
do
the
next
slide
please?
So
the
problem
continued.
So
we've
used
this
picture
several
times,
so
we
have
a
an
adult,
entertainment
business.
Next
to
you
know
a
shopping
center
with
you
know
high-rise
office
building
in
the
back
all
across
the
street
from
an
elementary
school.
You
know
probably
not
the
best
way
to
do
it.
B
You
know
we
have
the
adult
uses
there.
Have
you
know
the
traffic
generated
from
those
those
users
of
the
office
and
the
mall,
and
you
know
just
having
kids
across
the
street.
You
know
probably
wouldn't
be
a
good
idea,
so
that
would
be
another
situation
where
a
city
could
exercise
their
police
Powers.
So
next
slide,
please
so
here's
another
one
I
really
feel
bad
for
this
homeowner.
Here
they
have
a
amusement
park
in
their
backyard.
You
can
just
imagine
the
the
light
pollution
that
they
have
and
the
noise
pollution.
B
Hopefully
they
have
a
free
annual
pass.
That's
that's
all
I
can
say
about
that
all
right.
Next,
one,
okay,
so
the
authority
to
use
the
police
of
power.
It
goes
back
almost
100
years,
so
Amber
Realty
had
some
land
in
the
village
of
Euclid
and
they
back.
Then
the
industrial
land
was
more
valuable.
B
So
the
city
went
ahead
and
implemented
some
zoning
at
that
time
and
had
some
of
ambler's
land
zoned
a
variety
of
zoning
districts,
but
really
they
wanted
all
their
land
to
be
industrial,
so
they
fought
the
city
and
the
court
case
went
all
the
way
up
to
the
Supreme.
Court
and
Supreme
Court
ruled
that
no,
the
The
Village
has
the
right
to
implement
their
police
power
to
grow
that
the
way
they
want
to
so
and
also
in
the
the
California
state
constitution.
Grants
cities
the
police
power
to
exercise
that
right.
B
Also
next
slide,
please
so
other
Key
State
Authority
for
planning.
My
favorite
is
the
first
one
saying
that
you
must
have
a
planning
department
so
I
like
that
one,
and
then
it
also
says
you
know,
for
you
guys
it
must
have
a
Planning
Commission
so
and
it
says
that
we
need
to
have
a
general
plan
and
if
we
want
we
can
have
specific
plans.
Because
really,
if
you
don't
have
a
plan,
it
doesn't
really
matter
which
way
we
go.
B
So
we
need
we're
told
to
plan
for
the
future
and-
and
it's
a
good
thing,
so
the
zoning
regulations
basically
will
be
the
implementation
tool
for
the
general
plan
and
we're
going
to
kind
of
get
into
all
these
a
little
bit
more
and
then
the
subdivision
act.
Map
act
allows
us
to
regulate
the
way
that
the
land
is
subdivided
within
the
city.
So
we
don't
end
up
with.
B
You
know,
remainder
pieces
that
can't
be
built,
or
you
know
kind
of
you
know
in
the
earlier
cities
you
see
like
oh
we're
going
to
do
it
all
in
very
small
Lots.
So
if
you
want
a
bigger
lot,
you
just
buy
more
Lots
or
if
you
want
a
small
lot,
you
just
buy.
You
know
a
couple
Lots,
but
then
you
know
a
city
that
I
worked
for
in
Minnesota,
small
rural
town.
They
would
have
these
little
25
foot
skinny
lots
that
their
people
were
trying
to
wedge
houses
on
so
so
we
can.
B
We
have
the
ability
to
regulate.
You
know
the
subdivision
of
land
in
our
city.
So
then,
we've
already
heard
about
sequa,
where
we
mitigate
the
environmental
impacts
of
a
project
and
then
the
brown
act
also
so
that
we
have
to
fall
all
this
has
to
be.
You
know,
discussed
in
in
an
open,
transparent
environment
for
the
public,
so
the
hierarchy
of
our
documents,
the
the
general
plan,
is
the
top
it's
kind
of
our
vision
for
the
future.
B
A
specific
plan
is
more
kind
of
a
hybrid,
it's
a
really
a
fantastic
tool
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
blend
the
zoning
and
the
the
general
plan
a
little
bit,
but
in
the
hierarchy
that
it's
really
the
specific
plan
is
a
mini
General
plan
and
we'll
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
these
two
and
then
the
zoning
ordinance
implements
the
programs
of
the
general
of
the
general
plan,
and
then
we
also
have
design
guidelines
which
are
there
to
preserve
the
the
community
character
of
the
city.
B
So
now
with
for
I'm
more
of
a
visual
person,
so
I
kind
of
have
the
slide
here.
So,
as
you
kind
of
we
have
the
the
documents
listed,
the
the
top
you
know
of
our
police
power
is
the
general
plan.
It's
more
long-term.
It's
more
general,
you
know
little
detail,
but
as
you
move
down,
you
know
specific
plans.
You
know
not
as
long,
but
you
know
it's
a
decent
amount
of
time
and
it's
got
a
little
bit
more
information
that
we
really
want
to
focus.
You
know
in
on
a
specific
plan.
B
We
don't
have
any
Coastal
plans
and
then
we
have
zoning
kind
of
right
here
in
the
middle,
which
is
the
implementation
tool
design
guidelines,
as
you
can
see,
as
we
move
down,
you
know
we
have.
These
are
the
permits
here,
so
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
operating
most
of
the
time
here
on
the
project
approvals
where
you
have
very
short,
very
detailed,
Project
Specific.
You
know
it's
in
this
location.
This
is
what
they
want
to
build,
and
this
is
the
permit
they're
going
to
re.
B
You
know
we're
going
to
consider
on
this
and
then
up
here.
These
are
more
policy
documents,
so
the
pla
in
this
role,
the
Planning
Commission,
would
be
a
recommendation
body
to
the
city
council
for
these
changes.
So
next
slide,
please
all
right
the
general
plan,
what
what
the
heck's
a
general
plan
so
a
general
plan,
basically
is
the
blueprint
or
our
dream,
or
you
know
the
Constitution
for
all
development.
It's
how
we
want
to
grow
our
maintain
and
maintain
our
city.
B
B
Now
the
the
general
plan
itself
has
several
elements
and
all
the
elements
need
to
be.
You
know
internally
consistent.
We
can't
have
say
in
one
element
saying
that
we
are,
you
know,
encouraging
pedestrian
movement
and
bike
trails,
and
you
know
complete
streets.
B
You
know
with
you
know
where
we
have
our
Automobiles
and
then
going
to
another
element,
saying:
oh,
we
don't
want
bikes
on
the
streets,
that's
dangerous,
so
we
have
to
be
consistent
with
with
our
with
our
direction
that
you
know
we
provide
to
the
you
know
the
developers
who
want
to
make
the
investment
in
this
in
the
city
here,
so
the
the
general
planet
is
presumed
valid.
You
know
we're
innocent
to
improve
until
proven
guilty.
B
So,
but
if
we
are,
you
know
if
something
is
deemed
invalid,
it's
it's
a
big
problem,
because
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
making
decisions
on
permits
and
findings
based
off
this
plan.
That
is
now
deemed
invalid
or
some
aspect
of
it
is
invalid.
So
it's
very
important
to
be
consistent
throughout
the
document.
So
next
slide
please
so
this
is
these.
Are
the
seven
mandatory
elements?
It's
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
land
use
and
we
talk
about
how
we're
going
to
use
land.
B
You
know
right
now
and
in
the
future
and
in
certain
areas
circulation
how
we,
how
we
get
around
our
city,
you
know
and
it's
a
variety
of
Transportation
housing.
You
might
have
heard
of
that
one
I'll
kind
of
get
into
it,
a
little
bit
more,
how
you
know
our
needs
for
our
community
and
how
we're
gonna.
You
know,
house
our
population
and
our
growing
population
over
the
next
eight
years,
and
then
we
get
a
a
number
from
the
state.
B
You
know
called
Arena
number,
so
I'll
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
But
and
then
you
know
open
space
and
conservation.
We
actually
merge
those
two.
You
know
how
we
want
to
maintain
our
open
space
and
current.
You
know
conserve
our
natural
resources,
and
you
know:
bike
trails
and
parks
and
height.
You
know
hiking
trails
and
all
that
stuff
and
then
noise
and
safety.
But
then
the
City
of
Camarillo
goes
above
that
and
we
have
three
optional
elements.
B
So
the
curb
the
urban
Regional
restriction
boundary,
which
is
basically
the
city
limit,
saying
that
we're
going
to
focus
all
development
inside
in
the
city
and
it
it's.
You
know
parallel
with
the
soar.
If
you
guys
have
heard
of
soar
too
Community
design
Community
is
very
important.
B
Community
design
is
very
important
in
our
city
and
we
really
Hammer
home
and,
as
you
drive
down
the
101
or
near
the
101
within
500
feet
or
a
thousand
feet
of
an
intersection,
you'll
notice
that
you
know
they're
all
the
buildings
are
designed
very
well
and
we
take
pride
of
that.
You
know
a
couple
examples
we
have.
You
know
probably
I
like
to
say
the
the
prettiest
looking
car
wash
in
Ventura
County.
So
so
so
we
really
want
things
to
look
nice.
We
we
open
up.
B
B
Next
slide,
please
so
the
the
contents
of
the
general
plan
each
element
will
have
a
vision,
goal
policies
and
standards
next
slide.
So
this
is
an
example
of
in
our
circulation
element.
You
know
the
goal
would
be
that
you
know
have
roadway
Network
and
then
we'd
have
a
goal,
an
objective
and
then
also
a
city
policy
to
to
support
the
objective
and
the
goal.
B
So
next
slide
please
so
then
we
also
provide
a
standard
because,
like
I
said
I
like
to
have
pictures
and
and
see
it
in
the
more
you
know,
guidance
we
can
give
them
the
faster.
The
people
can
get
through
entitlements
and
get
the
projects
approved
and
start
you
know
investing
in
the
community.
So
in
this
picture
we
show
you
know
six
Lane
Road,
you
know
the
median's
got
to
be
a
certain
distance.
We've
got
to
have
bike
lanes
and
you
know
sidewalks
and
Landscaping
and
all
that
stuff.
B
So
we
try
to
be
upfront
as
possible
on
that.
The
next
slide-
and
this
is
just
the
circulation
element
map
which
identifies
the
freeways,
the
primary
arterials
and
then
kind
of
secondary
and
then
major
collector
streets
in
the
city,
so
we
kind
of
have
a
plan
on
how
we're
going
to
move
traffic.
That
way,
so
that's
just
an
example,
so
the
housing
element.
So
this
is
something
that
James
and
I
have
been
working
on.
B
Oh
James
left
so
on
recently,
so
basically
with
State
losses
that
we
have
to
update
it
every
eight
years
so
and
what
that
means
is
that
we
have
to
review
our
demographics
and
our
housing
needs
for
the
city
and
Implement
policies.
That's
going
to
promote
the
the
growth
of
the
housing
and
to
be
able
to
accommodate
the
growth
from
the
state,
which
is
called
Arena,
Regional
Housing
allocations
need,
which
is
1
376
units
over
eight
years.
B
We
are
one
of
the
fortunate
cities
where
we
do
not
have
to
rezone
property
to
accommodate
this
growth.
We
have
it
within
our
existing
zoning,
but
one
thing
that
the
when
we
sent
it
up
to
the
state
for
certification,
they
said.
Well,
you
know
this
program
here,
21,
where
you
say
you're
going
to
do
the
buy
right
zoning
on
some
of
the
sites
that
you
use
in
your
other
how's
the
element
last
eight
years.
B
We
want
you
to
do
that
now,
so
so
we're
we're
scrambling.
That's
going
to
be
coming
to
you
very
soon
before
it's
a
it's
a
new
overlay
where,
if
they
meet
certain
requirements,
they're
Allowed
by
right,
so
which
that
means
is
if
they
meet
like
the
the
certain
development
standards
in
that
zone,
it
would
be
done
over
the
counter
at
the
staff
level
and
that's
being
required
by
state
law.
So,
but
that
more
to
come
on
that
one
so
and
then
the
we
also
have
to
show
the
size.
B
Basically,
we
have
to
plan
for
the
housing.
You
know
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
What
type
of
housing
need
housing
we
have
to
look
at
if
there's
any
barriers
for
housing.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
try
to.
You
know
help
facilitate
housing.
B
Is
we
have
a
and
an
RPD,
District
or
essential
plan
development
districts
where
the
Planning
Commission
actually
has
the
power
to
manipulate
or
adjust
or
be
flexible
on
some
of
the
development
standards
like
setbacks,
to
help
make
a
good
project
go
through
if
they're
just
short
a
little
bit
on
on
the
side,
yard,
setback
or
front
yard
setback,
and
then
we
also
look
for
any
barriers
to
housing
production
so
and
that's
really
more
of
a
we
we're
doing
that
consistently.
So
all
right
next
slide,
please
all
right
so
jumping
to
the
specific
plan.
B
So
a
specific
plan
is
basically
like
a
mini
General
plan
and,
like
I,
said
it's
a
fantastic
tool,
because
it's
we
kind
of
give
more
direction
to
the
the
development
community
on
what
we
want
there
or
what
we
need
there.
So
we
actually
have
you
know,
think
of
Village
at
the
park.
We
want
to
create
this
Village,
you
know
with
this
Village
commercial
and
we
might
have
all
these
Services
here,
and
this
is
where
we
want
them
to
go.
B
This
is
where
we
want
this
type
of
housing
to
go,
and
we
can
be
very
you
know.
We
can
be
more
specific,
as
you
know,
site-specific,
in
that,
where
you
know,
if
you
kind
of
remember
the
general
plan,
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
General
here,
it's
a
fantastic
tool
to
really
focus
in
on
that,
and
then
it
is
in
the
hierarchy
it's
still
higher
than
zoning,
so
the
zoning
still
needs
to
be
consistent
with
the
specific
plan.
Next
slide,
please.
So
these
are
the
10
specific
plans
that
we
have
in
the
city.
B
Most
of
them
are
along
the
101
Corridor
right
in
here.
Here's
a
village
at
the
park
here.
Here's
Springville,
which
is
our
one,
that's
being
built
out
right
now,
next
slide,
please
okay,
zoning!
So
basically,
as
I
mentioned,
zoning
implements
the
vision
of
the
community
or
the
general
plan.
So
and
in
here
we
consolidate
all
the
rules
and
regulations
into
one
comprehensive
document,
so
you
don't
have
to
like
Chase
it
all
over
it.
We
have
it
in
all
housed
there
so
and
what
it
does
is
it
basically
provides
more
of
the
site-specific
development
standards.
B
B
You
know
of
the
of
the
project
itself
down
to
the
the
basically
like
the
parcel
level
and
we
we
can
regulate
the
height
because,
like
that
picture
showed
we
don't
want
a
20-story
apartment,
complex
right
next
to
a
single
family
house,
and
then
we
can.
We
have
the
ability,
through
our
policing,
powers,
to
separate
the
city
into
appropriate
zones.
Now
I
have
kind
of
a
picture
here.
The
next
slide
showing
showing
how
we
can
see
you
know
spread
them
out.
So,
instead
of
just
saying
residential,
we
can
say
it
was
a
single
family.
B
This
is
multi-family
and
we
want
commercial
over
here
and
you
know
we
want
the
multi-family
next
to
Lake.
You
know
that's
what
we
could
do
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
each
one
of
these
sub
areas-
or
you
know,
different
residential
areas
have
their
own
unique
setbacks
and
requirements
which
could
be
more
or
less
than
the
other
residential
zones.
So
it's
all
unique
and
it's
you
know
trying
to
really
focus
in
on
what
what
we
want
there,
what
what
the
general
plan
or
what
the
vision
of
the
community
is
for
that
area.
B
So
and
again,
you
know,
since
zoning
is
lower
in
the
hierarchy,
it
must
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and,
if
there's
obviously
a
specific
plan
there
that
have
to
be
consistent
with
that
and
you
know
we're
humans.
We
evolve,
we
change
and
so
do
our
cities.
So
as
we
want
our
cities
as
our
cities
evolved,
and
we
want
to
make
a
change,
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
So
next
slide,
please.
B
So
in
order
to
enact
a
tax
amendment
for
the
zoning
you
can
be
initiated
by
the
Planning
Commission
city
council
or
the
members
of
the
public,
so
we
just
recently
changed
our
our
code
there.
So
anyone
can
come
in
and
request
a
text
change
so,
but
you
guys,
as
planning
Commissioners,
have
that
authority
to
do
that.
If
you
think
something's
should
be
changed,
you
can
call
for
that
item.
Have
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
recommendation
of
the
city
council.
B
You
guys
would
just
be
the
recommendation
body,
but
and
the
city
council
would
be
the
policy
maker,
so
they
would
actually
say
yes
or
no
on
that,
but
you
have
that
ability
so
in
the
process
for
that.
So
once
it's
initiated,
it
goes
to
the
this
land
Economic
Development
and
land
use
committee,
which
is
made
up
by
two
city
council
members
and
they
review
the
change
and
then
they
kind
of
they
don't
direct.
They
guide
staff
say
oh
we're
kind
of
thinking
this.
B
It's
only
two
of
them,
though
so
there's
still
other
members
of
the
the
policy
body
that
would
have
to
weigh
on
it,
but
then
we
take
it
to
them
and
then
they
they
give
us
some
direction
or
guidance.
Excuse
me
and
then
we
bring
it
to
you,
guys
the
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
review,
and
if
you
have
any
changes
you
know
we
can.
We
can
look
at
that
and
then
make
the
recommendation
to
the
city
council
for
the
change
so
go
ahead.
B
Next
slide,
please
so
and
then
just
some
other
important
land
use
regulations.
So
we
have
Title
18,
which
is
our
subdivisions
kind
of
mentioned.
It
before
so,
we
have
the
track
maps
of
parcel
Maps
the.
So
if
it
it's
gonna,
if
the
the
subdivision
is
going
to
create
more
than
five
five
or
more
Lots,
they
need
to
go
through
the
track
map
process.
And
what
that
process
is
is
starts
out.
B
Staff
reviews
it
comes
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
recommendation,
and
then
it
would
go
to
the
city
council
for
approval
and
the
difference
between
track
maps
and
parcel
Maps
is
the
Planning
Commission.
You
guys
have
the
authority
to
approve
that
without
going
to
the
city
council,
but
under
the
parcel
map,
that's
four
or
less
Lots.
B
B
So
if
it's
four
or
less
Lots,
we
can
kind
of
work
them
to
move
the
Lots
around
or
lot
lines
around
a
little
bit
as
long
as
it's
not
creating
more
Lots,
and
then
they
would
all
all
the
the
maps
and
the
lot
line
adjustments
would
be
recorded
with
the
county.
B
So
we
do
have
something:
What's
called
the
development
control
or
title
20.
I.
Don't
know,
commissioner
Murphy,
if
you
remember
this,
and
if
you
were
still
on
the
board,
when
we
had
the
the
r
Deb,
the
regional
or
the
residential
development
evaluation
board,
but
in
and
what
we
do
there
is
the
the
developers
would
have
approvals
project
approvals,
but
before
they
could
pull
permits
they,
basically
we
would
rank
them
because
we
wanted
the
best
project.
So
we
look
at
design
and
affordable
housing
and
we'd
re-rank
them
to
say,
okay.
B
Well,
we
think
we
should
give
the
allotments
to
these
these
group.
You
know
projects
first,
if,
if
it's
over
subscribed,
we
only
gave
out
so
many
you
know
allotments
per
year,
but
the
reason
I
don't
have
anything
on
here
is
because
the
state
has
said
that
we're
in
a
major
housing
crisis
and
we
cannot
slow
down
the
development
of
housing
until
2030..
B
B
All
right
so
Switching
gears
to
design
there's
really
two
kinds
of
design
that
I
kind
of
want
to
break
it
out
too.
So
we
have
the
guidelines
and
we'll
know
we
have
the
design,
standards
and
they're
very
different.
So
the
guidelines
open
to
the
interpretation
encourages
Innovation
and
it's
kind
of
a
broad
area,
and
it's
usually
you
know
in
a
single
document
for
standards
they
have
to
meet
they're,
it's
just
really
black
and
white,
so
they're
the
required
they
have
to
do
it.
B
They
have
to
have
the
setback,
it
really
doesn't
encourage
Innovation
and
it
they're
very
site
focused
where
the
guidelines
are
like
the
the
Heritage
District
in
our
community
design,
guidelines,
they're,
saying
oh
along
the
highway.
You
know.
Excuse
me
the
101
Corridor.
We
want
to
have
this
beautiful
design.
Excuse
me.
B
B
And
then
we
have
a
color
palette
like
this
and
showing
you
know
the
the
textures
and
we
have
the
brick.
We
have
the
stone
and
we
have
stucco
and
different
things
that
they
can
pick
from
for
their
project.
So
next
slide.
B
B
E
B
This
is
what
it
it
kind
of
is
in
a
nutshell.
So
you
start
up
here
and
you
bounce
around
come
over
here
and
it
says:
increase
alcohol
use,
you
kind
of
go
around
here
and
it
switches
green,
because
that
means
you're
getting
close,
but
then
he
could
be
kicked
out
again
and
that's
a
decrease
alcohol
use
here
and
as
you
get
through
here
and
finally,
this
is
planet
fishing
and
you
go
back
to
staff
or
you
get
your
project
approved.
E
B
We
pride
ourselves
on
being
on
customer
service
and
being
very
informative
and
helpful
and
we're
always
trying
to
streamline
development.
So
this
is
kind
of
it
in
a
nutshell.
So,
even
before
an
applicant
submits
their
application
there
they
have
com,
they
have
they
come
to
our
counter
and
we
have
consultations
and
we
talk
to
them
and
we
say
you
know
they're
like
well.
What
do
you
think
about
this
and
we
you
know,
we
give
them
feedback
and
then,
if
they
want
more,
you
know
feedback
for
the
city.
B
We
can
actually
schedule
a
meeting
with
them
where
we
can
get
people
from
other
divisions
or
excuse
me
departments
to
come
in
and
we
just
talk
about
their
project.
What
do
you
think?
Oh
we
think
about
you
know
with
this?
Is
we
think
this?
If
you
do
this,
we
think
that
this
is
what
you
need
to
kind
of
think
about,
and
then,
if
it's
like
a
more
you
know
larger
scale
project,
you
know
like
to
say,
like
you
know,
a
big,
you
know:
retail
development
or
a
new
Shopping
Center,
or
something
like
that.
B
They
can
do
what's
called
a
pre-app
where
we
route
that
to
all
you
know
like
the
county,
the
county
for
the
County
Fire
and
Caltrans,
and
we
brought
it
all
over
the
place
and
get
comments
from
you
know
other
jurisdictions
and
departments
in
the
city,
but
and
and
really
they'll
give
the
feedback
there.
That's
more
formal,
but
that's
really
reserved
for
a
very
big
project
that
you
know
may
have
a
lot
of.
B
You
know
considerations,
but
when
the
project
is
submitted
here,
we
we
send
it
out
for
what's
called
completeness
review,
so
we
send
it
to
all
the
other
jurisdictions
and
City
departments
and,
like
I,
mentioned
the
county,
and
we
said
we
have
this
project.
B
Let
me
know,
let
us
know
if
it
meets
your
requirements
and
we
get
back
to
the
applicant
within
30
days,
So
within
30
days.
They
get
back
to
us
if
it's
incomplete
well,
first
I
I,
don't
even
want
to
say
it's
incomplete.
Let's
say
if
it's
complete
it's
awesome
and
they
go
straight
into
the
development
advisory
conference.
Where
we
sit
down
with
them
and
we
say:
okay,
your
project
has
been
deemed
complete.
B
You
meet
all
the
development
standards
and
now
at
the
DAC
or
development
advisory
conference
said
these
are
all
your
project
conditions
of
approval,
what
kind
of
get
into
conditions
approval
a
little
more,
but
these
are
all
things
you're
basically
going
to
have
to
do,
or
this
is
your
road
map.
You
have
to
do
all
these
things
by
this
time
and
then
we
go.
We
have
all
the
divisions
there
and
departments
and
if
there's
any
questions
we
we
answer
them
right
there
on
the
spot.
B
Where
we
send
him
a
letter
saying
everything
looks
good,
but
you
need
to
do
XYZ.
So
then
they
go
back
to
their
project
and
incorporate
the
changes.
And
then
we
go
back
into
the
30-day
completeness
review
so
and
then,
once
it's
complete,
we
go
to
the
Planning
Commission.
B
Now
most
people
think
that
that's
the
end
of
it
yay
we
did
we're
done,
but
there's
that's
just
really
about
halfway
through,
maybe
a
third
of
the
way
through
so
after
the
public
hearing.
There's
a
10-day
appeal
period
where
someone
could
appeal
the
project
or
appeal
the
decision
to
the
the
city
council.
B
So
there's
also
there's
a
SQL
document,
there's
also
a
waiting
period
for
that
also,
but
then
they
need
to
go
and
we
go
into
this
realm
called
condition.
Compliance
and
plan
check
so
condition
compliance.
It's
amazing.
So
when
the
Planning
Commission
approves
a
project,
it
looks
all
nice
and
you
have
all
this
architectural
detail
stuff
and
then,
when
they
submit
for
their
building
permit
or
like
I
thought
there
were
art
Windows
here
instead
of
just
you
know
the
normal
standard
Square,
oh
yeah,
that's
it
that's
just
too
expensive!
B
B
Well,
that's
what
then,
we
have
to
go
back
to
planning
equation,
because
now
you
change
your
project,
so
we
kind
of
it's
an
educational
process,
but
they
all
things
always
change
and
when
we,
when
they're
in
the
the
plant
check
process,
there's
there's
also
a
submittal
to
Tally's
department
where
they
go
through
their
grading
plan
check.
So
they
need
to
do
that
and
then
once
they
have
their
grading
permit,
they
have
a
certified
pad.
Then
that's
when
they
can
pull
their
building
permit,
but
before
they
can
pull
their
building
permit.
B
They
have
to
go
through
plan
check
with
building
a
safety,
and
that's
where
we
kind
of
pick
up
like
all
the
changes
that
they
want
to
cut
out,
that
they
don't
want
to
do
because
it
it
looks
good,
but
it's
more
expensive
or
you
know
they
can't.
They
can't
do
something
for
whatever
reason
the
project
changes
and
we
have
to
make
sure
we
catch
that.
B
B
Both
on
the
Public
Works
side
and
the
community
development
side-
and
we
make
sure
that
not
only
are
they
building
what
was
approved
and
what
we're
issued
the
building
permit
for
and
the
public
improvements
that
they
plan
on
doing
they're,
actually
constructing
the
field
because
things
change
when
you're
out
in
the
field
and
one
of
the
first
things
I
learned
when
I
was
going
out
there.
Looking
at
you
know,
project
conditioner
compliance
is
it's.
B
B
You
know
making
it
work
because
you
got
to
like
kind
of
put
it
into
the
into
into
the
you
know
into
the
field
so
and
then,
at
the
very
end,
when
they're
ready,
they're
done
the
project
is
built
and
they
want
to
move
in.
We
do
compliance
inspections,
so
they
come
in
and
we
give
them
all
right.
Now.
B
All
these
people
that
had
conditions
of
approval
on
this
project,
you
need
to
have
them
sign
off
on
it
and
they
go
check
out
the
property,
make
sure
that
everything's
finally
done
and
ready
to
go
and
then
once
we
sign
off
on
that
they
get
what's
called
a
certificate
of
occupancy,
meaning
they
can
occupy
the
building.
So
from
from
public
hearing
Planning
Commission
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
that
they
need
to
do
so
sometimes
projects
are
approved
and
never
get
built.
So
we
do
have
some
of
those
on
the
books
too.
B
B
You
guys
saw
that
earlier
today,
so
I
kind
of
won't
touch
on
that,
but
the
the
two
big
decision
points
will
be
in
discussion
items
and
in
public
hearings,
so
they're
kind
of
the
same
but
they're
kind
of
different,
so
the
both
of
them
have
a
staff
for
both
of
them
will
have
Planning
Commission
consideration.
Both
will
have
public
input.
B
However,
one
by
law
will
recover
or
will
require,
what's
called
a
public
hearing,
so
I
kind
of
mentioned
that
we're
very
transparent
here
and-
and
we
go
above
and
beyond,
what's
required,
so
the
public
hearing
would
be
a
notice
hearing
in
the
paper.
It's
on
our
website.
B
It's
mailed
out
to
600
feet
or
property,
normally
600
feet
of
the
project
area.
State
law
only
requires
300,
but
we
don't
stop
there
at
600..
We
actually,
if
there's
a
our
neighborhood
here,
and
it
stops
here-
there's
no
reason
why
we
cut
it
off
at
a
neighbor's
property
line.
You
know,
because
thinking
that
oh
they're
not
affected
they're
outside
the
600
feet,
well,
of
course,
they're
affected,
because
they're
still
going
to
be
going
this
way
and
driving
through
the
property.
B
So
we
extend
it
to
what
makes
sense
geographically,
these
people
are
going
to
be
affected
by
it,
we're
going
to
notice
them,
even
if
it's
a
thousand
feet
out
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
we,
if
there's
an
HOA,
we
send
it
out
to
the
HOA,
and
then
they
can
disseminate
the
information
there
too.
So
we
try
to
get
the
information
out,
because
what
we
don't
want
to
happen
have
happen
and
it
still
happens
sometimes,
but
people
come
up
and
go
I.
B
This,
but
but
in
our
gender
reports
we
list
out
exactly
what
we've
done
to
to
get
the
word
out
and
there'd
always
be
someone.
You
know
who
will
come
and
do
that
every
once
in
a
while,
but
and
then
speaking
about
a
gender
report.
So
that's
the
the
information
that
we
are
providing
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
base
the
the
decision
off
of
so
it's
our
analysis,
basically
showing
how
we
looked
at
the
project.
B
It
includes
the
applicant's
information,
the
site
location,
the
environmental
determination
on
the
that
we
thank
you
that
are
exempt,
or
some
kind
of
environmental
document
the
noticing
the
the
background
on
the
side.
If
there's
any
other
permits
that
have
been
developed
or
that
have
been
approved
on
there
or
it,
you
know,
if
it's
a
modification,
we
talk
about
what
the
other
you
know,
the
initial
permit
was,
and
then
there's.
This
is
the
the
fourth
modification
to
add
this.
B
It
says
that
the
Planning
Commission
has
the
right
to
approve
it,
because
it's
you
know
a
conditional
use
permit
or
you
know,
if
it's
a
new
building,
you
know
it
would
be.
You
know
it
could
be
like
a
permitted
use,
but
it's
a
new
building,
so
it's
come
to
you
guys
for
approval
and
in
there.
So
very
important
are
the
findings
so,
and
this
kind
of
ties
back
to
our
general
plan
must
be
consistent
and
we
need
to
have.
B
You
know,
make
sure
that
we're
making
findings
on
a
consistent
document,
so
we
need
to
find
or
make
the
findings
or
state
that
how
this
project
complies
with
the
findings
on
that
are
required.
So
one
of
the
examples,
I
think,
is
the
the
next
slide
here.
So
so,
basically,
this
is
from
our
commercial
use
program.
I'm
not
going
to
read
this,
but
basically
we
have
to
make
findings.
You
know
for
a
through
e
and
base
the
first
one
is
it's.
You
know
it's
in
the
loud
use
in
there
with
kind
of
shoes
permit.
B
Therefore
it
meets
this
finding.
You
know
it's
necessary
for
the
development.
It's
harmonious
with.
You
know
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
well
designed
and
it
meets
all
the
development
standards
and
the
zoning
you
know
it.
It
won't
be
detrimental
to
the
the
neighborhood
because
it
meets
all
the
development
standards.
So
we
always
try
to
have
a
because
in
there
to
explain
why
you
know
it
we're
we're
satisfying
these
findings
so
and
the
findings
must
be
supported
by
evidence
in
the
record
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
going
with
the
the
Agenda
Report.
B
So
we
can
only
make
decisions
at
the
Planning
Commission
level,
based
on
the
record,
based
on
the
information
that
you
have
before
you.
You
know
that's
in
the
application
file
or
the
Agenda
Report,
the
studies
that
are
sent
out
in
your
packet
and
the
public
comments
on
that
on
that
item.
So,
if
it's
not
in
the
record,
we
can't
really
just
say
I,
don't
like
red,
so
I'm
gonna
not
approve
it.
You
know
it's
not,
it
doesn't
meet
it.
B
You
know
so
and
then
so
conditions
approval,
I
kind
of
mention
that
a
little
bit.
What
is
the
conditional
approval
approval?
It's
basically
a
requirement
that
the
city
is
putting
on
the
projects
that
to
make
sure
that
is
all
the
conditions
of
the
or
all
the
requirements
in
the
missile
code
are
satisfied
and
because
they
come
at
a
later
time
and
it
must
support
a
legitimate
public
purpose.
So
the
conditional
approvals
we
have
you
know
can't
deny
the
economic
use
of
it.
B
Just
saying:
oh
well,
I,
don't
think
that's
good
use
there,
so
we
can't,
we
can't
do
it.
You
know
it
has
to.
You
know,
allow
the
economic
use
of
the
properties,
if
it's
commercial
and
they
come
in,
they
want
to
do
a
retail
store
and
it's
an
allowed
use.
We
really
can't
without
putting
the
city
at
liability,
say
no
if
they
meet
all
the
Development
Centers
that
allowed
use
there.
It's
in
the
zoning
it's
allowed
and
we
cannot
deny
them
that
at
use
now
and
any
special
condition
must
have
some
a
Nexus.
B
It
needs
to
be.
You
know
connected
to
the
project
for
some
you
know
for
somehow
some
way,
so
you
know
project,
you
know,
must
incorporate
this.
You
know
the
Spanish
design
in
our
heritage
zone.
So
you
know
that
would
that
would
kind
of
be
like
an
example
and
it
has
to
be
proportionate
to
the
project.
So,
for
example,
if
we
have
one
vacant
lot
on
a
corner
and
it's
just
slammed
with
traffic,
it's
just
terrible,
and
you
know
it's
in
you
know
you
know
level
of
service.
B
You
know
f,
we
can't
make
them
upgrade
that
entire
intersection
they
can
only
would
be
responsible
for
their
portion
or
their
use
of
the
infrastructure,
for
example,
all
right
next
slide,
please.
So
where
do
they
come
from
as
I
kind
of
mentioned?
You
know
we
have
standard
conditions
of
approval
that
we
just
kind
of
tack
on
to
projects
and
we
also
have
special
conditions
of
approval
which
are
unique
to
that
project.
So
we
might
have
a
situation
where
there's
you
know
commercial
next
residential
and
they
come
in
and
they
want
to
do
a.
K
B
So
they're
allowed
to
do
that
with,
let's
just
say,
hypothetically
with
the
conditional
use
permit,
which
allows
us
to
put
conditions
on
the
project,
and
we
can
say:
hey
look,
you
know
it's
a
residential
area.
We
want
to
limit
the
time
that
they
are
open
or
you
know.
Let's
look
at
you
know,
would
you
say
a
grocery
store
next
to
residential.
We
want
to
limit
the
time
that
they
can
make
deliveries
in
the
morning.
B
So
we
don't
want
deliveries
happening
at
4
30
in
the
morning,
because
they're
loud
and
when
those
things
back
up
and
they're
beeping,
you
know
people
are
back
there.
It
wakes
up
people,
you
know
that
are
nearby
and
you
know
then
they
start
calling
the
city
and
stuff
so
and
and
they're
they.
They
have
the
right
to
enjoy
their
property
too,
and
so,
and
that
would
be
kind
of
a
code
violation.
So
we
have
the
authority
to
mitigate
those
uses
to
ensure
that
they
do
not.
B
You
know
that
they're
not
detrimental
to
adjoining
uses
so
and
then,
if
the
commission
wants
to
change
tax
recommendation
or
a
condition,
you
know
you
guys
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
I
would
just
say
that
a
couple
of
things
so,
if
A
Change
Is
desired
because
in
the
past
I
have
heard
oh
well
I
think
they
should
do
this.
But
then
it's
not
mentioned
again
and
it's
not.
If
it's
not
mentioned
the
motion,
it's
just
a
comment
and
it's
not
a
direction
to
staff
to
actually
change
it.
B
So
if
there's
a
change
that
wants
that
you
want
done,
it
has
to
be
part
of
the
motion
seconded
and
voted
on.
So
if
they
want
to
do
that
and
if
you
plan
on
doing
that,
let
us
know
so
we
can
make
sure
that
there
is
a
Nexus
and
it's
proportional
to
the
project
or
you
know
whatever.
It
is
just
so
we
kind
of
have
a
heads
up
and
we
can
Loop
in
Justin
right
away
so
to
help
us
with
that.
B
All
right
next
slide,
please
so
I'm,
sorry
that
was
kind
of
a
lot
of
information.
Could
you
know
this
would
probably
be
you
know
a
couple
years
at
planning
school
when
you
could
dive
in
and
all
that
stuff,
but
I'm
always
available
for
questions?
You
know
our
staff
is
great
here.
B
You
know
we
actually
appreciate
the
questions
in
advance,
so
we're
please
don't
think
you're
bothering
us
at
all
email.
Give
me
a
call
or
you
know
just
swing
by
you
know.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
G
When
you
were
talking
about
some
of
the
changes
swell
back
in
the
presentation,
did
I
read
something
about
a
new
bill
about
residential
going
in
and
industrial
areas
and
having
to
be
approved
or
not
so.
B
Yes,
it's
a
commercial,
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
will
you
know
we'll
be
bringing
to
you
guys,
because
we
have
to
change
our
code
on
that.
I
think
that
one
goes
into
effect,
July
1.,
so
we
saw
some
time
on
that:
okay,
yeah,
there's
I,
think
41
housing
bills
and
we
nine
of
them
or
11
of
them-
are
requiring
changes
to
our
code.
So
we're
gonna
be
busy
yeah.
We'll
keep
you
guys
on
your
toes.
B
J
G
Yeah
and
listen
to
when
you're
talking
about
changes
in
their
plans
as
they
go
along
the
way
it
just
personally,
it
just
reminded
me
in
the
assessor's
office
when
we
would
get
custom
homes,
we
have
the
blueprints
and
you
go
out
to
measure
and
look
at
it
and
it's
like
wait
a
minute.
It's
like
there's
another
500
square
feet
here
or
something
you
know.
Oh
no,
we
changed
that
yeah.
E
G
B
Yeah,
so
I
would
like
to
inform
the
Planning
Commission
that
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
February
28th,
which
we'll
we
have
several
items:
big
items,
it's
a
good
big
meeting
so.
B
We'll
try
to
get
that
information
out
as
soon
as
possible,
but
yeah,
but
we'll
do
what
we
can
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
time.
If
we
can
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
time
to
review
it
and
then
also
to
just
remind
the
Planning
Commission
that
we
do
have
our
planet.
Commission
Academy
in
March,
coming
up
and
I
highly
encourage
everyone
to
go.
J
R
To
be
here,
looking
forward
to
everything,
that's
ahead,
you
just
put
a
fire
hose
in
front
of
me
and
ask
you
to
take
a
sip,
so
that
was
greatly
appreciated,
but
I
do
appreciate
very
much
the
way
the
city
is
run.
I've
I've,
it's
one
of
the
things
that
my
wife
and
I
love
about
Camarillo
is
the
the
commitment
that
everybody
who
works
at
the
city
has,
and
it
believe
me.
It's
felt
and
I
bring
that
message
from
Neighbors
and
and
people
alike.
X
It's
it's
an
honor
to
serve
on
the
commission.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
my
fellow
Commissioners
and
really
thank
the
staff
for
all
of
the
time
that
you've
put
into
preparing
us
and
for
in
doing
all
the
presentations
tonight
and
staying
so
late
and
I
understand
that
some
people
haven't
had
dinner.
Your
families
and
and
pets
are
waiting
so
just
a
gratitude
for
your
dedication.
I
look
forward
to
getting
to
know
all
of
you
and
working
very
closely.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
I
Yeah
I
want
to
welcome,
Rob
and
and
Gladys
to
the
commission,
very
excited
about
working
with
you
and
having
the
five
of
us
move
on
into
2023
it'll
be
a
great
year.
Thank
you
for
all
the
for
introducing
us
to
to
the
new
staff
and
and
congratulations
on
the
promotions
that
we
learned
about
tonight
as
well:
Mitchell
Paul,
Justin
David.
Thank
you
very
much
for
those
presentations.
It
was
a
lot
of
information
in
a
short
period
of
time,
and
it's
kind
of
nice
to
to
have
all
of
that
in
front
of
us.
I
F
F
G
G
Quite
a
difference
from
you
know
like
four
years
ago
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
effort
that
went
into
this,
because
this
is
really
a
nice
introduction
and
a
reminder
also.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
there's
nothing
else.
Then.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.