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Next
item
are
the
consent,
items
and
consent
items
are
the
minutes
on
the
meeting
held
November
1st
no.
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Okay,
it
looks
like
that
was
unanimous
and
that
passed
next
we
have
public
comments.
This
is
the
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
present
a
matter
to
the
Planning
Commission,
which
does
not
appear
as
a
regular
item.
Action
cannot
be
taken
on
these
items
or
on
the
agenda.
However,
these
items
may
be
referred
to
staff
or
scheduled
on
a
future
agenda.
Are
there
any
public
comments
that
we've
received?
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So
the
city
is
considering
a
zoning
ordinance
Amendment
of
the
municipal
code
to
address
exterior
lighting
and
we're
addressing
several
chapters
in
the
residential
zones.
We're
going
to
address
rural
exclusive
and
single-family
residential,
as
well
as
residential
plan
development,
permit
and
mobile
home
park
development,
and
then
in
our
commercial
districts.
F
A
current
void
in
our
municipal
code
is
that
it
does
not
have
lighting
regulations
in
our
rural
exclusive
residential
Zone
nor
in
our
single-family
residential
zones,
and
so
without
those
Municipal
Code
regulations
in
place.
We
cannot
address
or
Abate
nuisances
that
result
from
glare
or
light
spillover
in
those
residential
districts,
so
the
proposed
ordinance
would
be
applicable
in
these
zones
and
would
allow
for
staff
to
address
nuisances
if
there
were
any
that
occurred.
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Also,
our
parking
ordinance
currently
regulates
a
maximum
height
of
light
poles
at
20
feet,
and
this
is
outdated
and
does
not
allow
for
flexibility
for
taller
light
poles
on
larger
commercial
or
industrial
properties
which,
if
used,
can
result
in
less
light
poles
overall,
which
presents
greater
opportunities
for
landscaping,
inclusion
of
shade
trees
and
other
planting
material
in
larger
parking
fields.
So
staff
has
been
working
on
updates
the
municipal
code
on
regulations
of
lighting
and
incorporating
lighting
regulations
into
one
comprehensive
chapter
of
the
municipal
code.
F
This
is
a
better
practice
for
the
public,
as
well
as
staff
when
implementing
these
guidelines
and
the
various
existing
sections
of
the
code
that
we
had
already
outlined
above
will
be
amended
to
indicate
again
that
all
exterior
lighting
will
be
permitted.
Based
on
this
new
chapter,
we
started
by
presenting
this
concept
to
our
Economic
Development
land
use
committee
on
September
16th
and
after
they
received
the
report
and
considered
background
and
needs
for
updating
the
city's
lighting
regulations.
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All
right
can
everybody
hear
me
great
okay,
great.
So,
once
again,
my
name
is
Eric
Yamashiro
I'm,
a
professional
engineer,
the
technical
manager
for
lighting
design
for
Michael
Baker,
International
I've
done
lighting
design
for
12,
going
on
13
years
now
in
commercial,
residential
and
the
federal
sectors.
So
when
I'm
not
helping
Joe
write,
light
ordinances,
I
spend
the
bulk
of
my
time
designing
two
various
lighting
ordinances
across
the
country.
E
Oh
thank
you
on
this
slide,
just
showing
some
of
the
resources
that
we're
looking
at
when
we
were
going
over
this
ordinance,
some
IES
right.
There
is
The
Illuminating
engineering
Society.
They
said
a
lot
of
the
standards
for
the
industry
in
terms
of
lighting
levels
and
control
that
we
use
today
all
across
the
country
and
actually
internationally.
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The
summary
here
is
to
consolidate
and
to
update,
make
sure
that
we're
as
close
to
current
standards
as
possible,
where
we
need
to
be
so
applicability
in
this
section,
really
wanted
to
highlight
that
this
is
going
to
apply
to
all
zones
and
specific
plan
areas
within
the
city,
except
for
the
public
right-of-way
and
then
also
highlighting
the
still
pointing
to
the
community
design
element
within
the
general
plan.
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Under
the
general
requirements
section,
we
encourage
and
hear
the
use
of
the
most
up-to-date
lighting
technology
in
terms
of
efficacy
and
efficiency.
Currently,
that
is
LEDs
which
we
mentioned
specifically,
but
we
wanted
to
leave
it
open
for
future
Technologies
without
having
to
update
this
section,
and
then
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
acknowledge
California
Green
Building
standards,
California
energy
codes
in
here
as
well,
to
make
sure
that
those
are
still
being
met
within
the
designs
prohibited
lighting.
First.
One
here
is
making
sure
that
everybody
is
meeting
this
ordinance.
E
If
they
are
not,
then
obviously
they
are
not
meeting
item
a
Item
B
any
flashing,
alternating
signal
lights,
things
that
are
not
being
used
for
specific
systems
are
going
to
be
prohibited
here.
The
exemptions
there
will
go
over
in
a
minute,
but
those
are
for
very
specific
applications
and
then
item
e
is
the
one
I
think
is
really
important
for
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
which
is
addressing
glare
and
spillover
light
into
additional
into
other
properties
adjacent
to
these
projects,
plans
required.
So
this
is
what
will
be
submitted.
E
What
projects
actually
have
to
submit
plans
to
the
city
so
we're
saying
that
this
should
be
for
commercial
industrial
office,
mixed
use,
multi-family
and
really
anything
that
isn't
a
single
family
residential
project
and
then
that
these
prod
these
applications
should
be
sent
in
with
by
Sorry
by
a
civil
or
electrical
engineer
licensed
to
perform
this
work
within
the
state
of
California
and
that
all
work
done
within
and
all
lighting
levels
within
if
they're
special
use,
if
they're
not
mentioned
within
here,
should
meet
the
minimum
recommendations
per
The.
Illuminating
engineering,
Society.
E
For
design
standards
here
we
are
addressing
once
again
the
or
what
we
mentioned
before
that
spillover
lighting.
So
all
lights
should
be
focused,
directed
and
arranged
that
they
are
falling
onto
where
that
light
needs
to
be
within
that
property
and
not
onto
in
a
way
that
they're
falling
onto
additional
properties.
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E
And
then
we
also
address
in
this
the
the
pole
Heights
for
most
commercial
zones.
We're
saying
20
feet
overall,
but
we
are
putting
in
here
something
that
wasn't
there
before,
allowing
for
properties
over
20
acres
to
have
to
go
up
to
as
much
as
35
feet
with
a
excuse
me
with
a
development
with
a
plan
development
permit
and
then,
but
we
do
say
even
for
those
zones,
if
they're
within
100
feet
of
residential.
E
They
do
need
to
stay
at
that
20
foot
mounting
height,
so
making
sure
that
they're
still
respecting
those
boundaries,
design,
guidelines
and
here
once
again,
just
pointing
back
to
the
city
of
camarillo's,
community
design,
element
and
general
plan
making
sure
that
we're
still
respecting.
What's
going
on
there
and
really
highlight
or
emphasizing
that
we
want
the
Luminaires,
the
poles
and
the
pedestals
to
all
be
decorative
as
much
as
possible
to
try
to
add
to
the
beautiful
aesthetic
that
you
have
here
in
Camarillo.
E
E
A
really
quick
at
a
glance,
look
to
see
with
images
what
fixture
types
there's
a
preferred
and
acceptable
and
a
prohibited
section
within
that
of
images
for
a
quick
reference
of
what
might
be
acceptable
and
what
not
might
not
be,
and
we
will
show
those
images
on
a
future
slide
here,
but
it
also
covers
just
the
color
temperature
as
well
certification
and
testing,
just
driving
it
home
again,
to
make
sure
that
these
are
being
that
these
designs
are
meeting
structural
and
electrical
codes
that
are
already
applicable
and
adopted
by
the
city
and
that
the
applicants
Engineers
must
prepare
and
certify.
E
So
these
exemptions
I
mentioned
this
under
the
prohibited
items,
so
the
navigation,
beacons,
obstructive
markings.
Everything
that
you
need
for
airport
signaling,
for
safe
navigation
by
the
FAA
and
also
Railway,
has
Railway
signals.
Crossing
warnings,
traffic
controlled,
making
sure
that
we
are
not
prohibiting
things
that
are
required
by
other
agencies
for
the
safety
of
the
public
and
there's
also
other
exemptions
in
here
for
certain
decorative
lighting.
For
other,
very
special
purpose
lights.
E
Violations
penalties
and
non-conforming
systems.
These
two
sections
are
new
because
everything
was
spread
out
before
and
we're
bringing
this
in.
These
really
didn't
exist.
So
this
really
allows
for
enforcement
of
all
the
items
that
we
have
talked
about
before
this
nope,
and
then
this
is
the
images
from
the
lighting
design
guide
that
we
mentioned
before.
So
this
particular
slide
is
preferred
fixtures.
What
we're
really
pushing
for
here
is
decorative
cut
off,
so,
whether
that's
on
a
pole,
wall
mounted
surface
mounted
on
a
canopy
or
even
bothered
lights.
E
The
main
thing
to
take
away
from
here
is
that
the
lighting
is
all
directed
downwards
and
shielded,
but
still
a
decorative
aesthetic
kind
of
promoted
under
aesthetic.
These
are
more
utilitarian,
but
they're
still
very
common
wall
packs
very
common
over
egress
stores
and
then
parking
lot
lights
once
again,
making
sure
that
these
are
cut
off.
All
these
are
very
acceptable,
then
under
prohibited.
E
The
main
story
here
is
unshielded
light,
so
the
wall
packs
that
are
unshielded,
pushing
light
straight
out,
causing
a
source
of
glare
floodlights
without
any
sort
of
lighting
control
on
them.
Where
that
usually
leads
to
a
lot
of
trespass
lighting
as
well
as
glare,
and
then
some
older
style
area
lights,
where
a
drop
lens
could
also
be
a
source
of
glare.
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Okay,
thank
you,
Mr
Yamashiro,
so
I'm
going
to
pick
it
back
up
here
and
share
with
the
Planning
Commission
that
last
Friday
on
December
2nd,
the
Ventura
County
Transportation
Commission
had
presented
our
lighting
ordinance
for
consistency
to
the
airport,
land
use
commission
and
they
did
determine
that.
The
proposed
ordinance
does
include
appropriate
exemptions
for
the
types
of
lighting
relevant
to
airport
operations
and
transportation.
F
So
we
have,
under
our
community
design
element
existing
light
design
guidelines
light
fixture.
Should
be
complementary
to
the
character
and
style
of
development,
spotlighting
or
glare
for
many
sight,
lighting
should
be
shielded
from
adjacent
properties
and
directed
at
specific
objects,
or
targets
and
exposed
bulbs
should
not
be
used
and
cut
off.
Lighting
is
preferred,
lighting
should
be
incorporated
into
landscaping,
and
the
theme
of
the
buildings
fixtures
should
be
enhancing
the
creative
style
and
theme
of
the
project,
and
that
would
be
encouraged.
Fixtures
should
be
of
high
quality
design
and
Vandal
resistant
and
durable.
F
An
Innovative
use
of
night
lighting
should
be
used
to
add
to
the
character
of
the
buildings,
while
minimizing
light
and
glare,
so
lighting
and
Illuminating
footpaths
or
fountains
or
water
features.
Public
art
lighting
should
be
controlled
by
a
timer
within
one
hour.
After
closing,
Lighting
in
the
parking
area
should
be
reduced
to
a
minimal
level
necessary
for
Safety
and
Security,
and
the
illumination
of
signs
and
Landscaping
should
be
curtailed
at
that
point,
and
then
energy
efficient
lighting
shall
be
used
to
the
extent
possible.
F
F
So
with
that
being
said,
with
the
updated
ordinance,
we
did
want
to
have
a
handy
one
pager
that
we
could
share
with
the
public
and
customers
and
developers
at
the
counter
so
that
it
would
facilitate.
You
know,
ease
of
implementation
of
the
ordinance,
and
so
we
came
up
with
the
City
of
Camarillo
lighting
fixture
guide
and
it
shows
that
the
maximum
Kelvin
scale
could
not
exceed
four
thousand,
so
they
could
go
less,
but
they
could
not
go
higher
than
four
thousand
Kelvin
and
then
you've
already
seen
the
exhibits
that
were
highlighted
by
Mr
Yamashiro.
F
F
We
started
in
the
middle
of
September,
with
economic
development,
land
use
committee
meeting
and
then
entered
into
a
contract
with
Michael,
Baker
and
Associates.
Shortly
thereafter,
we
had
on
December,
2nd
last
Friday,
the
airport
land
use
commission
findings
of
consistency
with
the
airport,
land
use
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
tonight
we
have
the
Planning
Commission
public
hearing
and
we
anticipate
a
city
council
public
hearing
on
January
11th.
A
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Vice
chair,
vandermeal
and
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
that
we
did
have
a
late-breaking
email
from
Kendall
Lucine
with
Naval
base,
Ventura
County,
Point
Magoo
and
he's
the
community
plans
and
liaison
officer
for
the
naval
base,
Ventura
County,
and
he
ultimately
indicates
in
his
email
that
the
naval
base,
Ventura
County
team
has
determined
that
the
proposed
recommendation
will
not
impact
military
operations.
So
that's
military
speak
for
they
support
this.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have.
Let
me
see
verbal
comment
card
from
Neil
Dixon
if
you'd
come
up
and
give
us,
please
state
your
name
and
your
comments,
and
this
is
on
the
lighting
ordinance.
A
G
My
name
is
Neil
Dixon
I
live
at
2550,
Gabriella
Court
in
Camarillo,
and,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
Mr
Vaca
and
the
team.
That's
worked
on
this
ordinance,
that's
sorely
needed
and
greatly
appreciated,
and
long
overdue
and
I
really
appreciate
his
efforts.
I've
read
every
every
word
of
this
ordinance
and
I'm
strongly
in
favor
of
its
passage,
with
the
exception
of
a
few
minor
points
and
I
would,
as
there
are
three
three
issues
that
I
have
with
the
the
ordinance
that
I'd
like
the
board
to
consider
number
one.
G
It
has
to
do
with
the
Kelvin
restrictions.
The
ordinance
restricts
in
res
in
both
residential
and
Commercial
areas.
The
maximum
Kelvin
to
4,
000.,
I
I,
think
that's
reasonable
in
a
commercial
area,
but
in
a
residential
area
I
think
a
level
of
3000
would
be
more
appropriate
and
I.
Think
that's
not
that's.
Not
only
just
my
opinion.
I
have
that,
based
on
on
scientific
evidence,
that
the
higher
Kelvin
light
lighting
sources
are
are
health
hazard
in
the
number
of
certain
ways
and
I
have
a
I
actually
have
here
that
I
can?
G
The
second
issue:
I
only
have
one
one
and
a
half
minutes
left.
The
second
issue
is
the
issue
of
consideration
of
an
within
this
ordinance,
a
period
of
what
I
guess.
I
would
call
dark
time.
There
are
certain
hours
of
the
day
say
midnight
to
4
a.m,
where
the
having
external
Lighting
in
decorate
for
of
a
decorative
nature
is
totally
unnecessary
and
environmentally
unsound
and
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
include
some
period
of
time
when
unnecessary,
non-uh
security
lighting
would
be
not
allowed.
G
Thirdly,
on
the
issue
of
non-conforming
lighting,
I
guess
I
would
call
that
grandfathered
lighting,
I
think
or
it
lighting
fixtures
and
I'm,
not
clear,
and
maybe
with
the
engineer
or
someone
here
can
clarify
for
me
the
that
these
fixtures
that
are
in
place
prior
to
this,
this
ordinance
will
be
allowed
to
be
maintained,
but
I
would
like
it
specified
within
the
ordinance
specifically
that,
although
the
fixture
could
be
maintained,
that
the
trust,
the
trespass
and
all
the
other
issues
relating
to
the
ordinance,
the
spillover,
the
glare
all
those
issues
would
still
apply
to
those
through
those
fixtures.
G
Even
though
they,
the
fixture
itself
is
not
conforming.
Lighting
sources
are
tremendously
different
from
from
when
those
most
of
those
fixtures
were
installed
with
much
great
lower
intensity
and
much
lower
Kelvin
lighting
that
had
been
in
place
at
those
times,
and
that
concludes
what
I
have
to
say.
I
actually
would
have
a
whole
lot
other
to
say
if
I
had
more
time,
but
if
I
will
leave
well
I'll
tell
you
I'll
leave
this
up
here.
This
is
the
statement
from
the
American
Medical
Association,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Dixon
I
apologize
I
did
not
give
you
forewarning
on
the
three
minutes,
but
you
could
see
the
clock
so
and
you're
obviously
aware
of
it.
So
thank
you
at
this
point.
Then
there
are
no
other
comments.
Then
I
can
close
the
public
comments.
So
then
we
can
go.
Do
we
have
questions
for
Steph.
D
Yeah
I
have
several
questions
that
one
that
Dr
Dixon
brought
up
I
kind
of
I
had
in
my
notes.
Also
as
far
as
do
the
existing
things
are
they
going
to
get
grandfathered
and
and
I
noticed,
there's
a
a
clause
in
here
for
public
nuisance
and
stuff
so
and
I
think
that
was
part
of
his
question.
If
it
does
get
grandfathered
in
do
we
is
there
still
an
enforcement
mechanism,
especially
in
in
residential
areas,.
D
And
what
would
trigger
that?
Just
a
resident
complaining
or
the.
F
D
Okay,
okay,
so
that
was
one
question
and
also
had
a
question.
Maybe
for
the
the
applicant
or
maybe
Mr
Vaca
knows
but
I
guess:
I
was
kind
of
surprised.
We
didn't
have
an
ordinance
already.
I
know
we
had
guidelines,
but
what
the
most
of
the
other
cities
now
have
ordinances
most.
F
Other
cities
do
have
a
comprehensive
lighting
ordinance.
Yes,
we
did
have
requirements
in
all
the
different
various
zones
in
our
ordinance,
but
we
did
not
have
it
in
rural
exclusive
or
in
our
R1
residential
zones.
F
That
would
just
say
lighting,
including
spotlights
floodlights,
electrical
reflectors
and
other
means
of
Illumination
for
sign
structures,
Landscaping
parking
areas,
loading
areas
and
the
like
shall
be
focused,
directed
and
so
arranged
as
to
screen
the
source
of
light
direct,
the
light
down
to
prevent
glare
and
direct
illumination
on
streets
and
adjoining
property.
So
that
was
pretty
much
the
extent
of
our
lighting
regulations
and
then,
in
our
parking
ordinance,
it
limited
the
height
to
20
feet.
D
F
So
if
it
was
a
multi-family
residential
project,
they
do
have
to
submit
photometric
lighting
plan.
But
if
it's
a
single
family
home,
we
didn't
think
that
it
was
warranted
or
reasonable
to
require
them
to
submit
a
lighting
plan.
They
typically
have
to
meet
the
title:
24
and
Green
Building
Code
anyhow,
and
it's
typically
not
an
issue
to
have
residential.
F
That
so
the
cutoff
fixtures
are
really
intended
to
address
commercial
and
Industrial
and
office
Lighting
in
residential
zones
there's
a
little
bit
more
latitude.
So
that's
why,
in
the
ordinance
it
doesn't
say
that
cutoff
is
mandatory
everywhere,
but
in
residential
zones,
for
instance,
you
could
have
like
a
more
decorative
wall
sconce,
for
instance,
as
long
as
it
didn't
create
glare.
Okay,.
D
Yeah
and
then
the
public
right-of-way
exemption
that
that,
just
because
there's
safety
lightings
and
they
they're
not
going
to
comply
with
this,
because
they're
they're
up
for
safety
purposes.
C
Thank
you
to
the
to
the
staff
Mr
secretary
for
presentation,
Dr
Dixon,
for
your
comments.
Mr.
C
A
C
Share
for
your
presentation
as
well
I
wanted
to
clarify
what
commissioner
Edsel
had
touched
upon,
which
was
I
think
was
in
the
violations
penalty,
section
19.47.100,
page
9
of
the
staff
report,
Item
B,
it
seems
to
give
the
city
under
this
ordinance
the
ability
to
review
Lighting
systems
that
are
perceived
to
be
a
nuisance
without
having
to
be
in
violation
of
the
new
ordinance.
Should
this
ordinance
pass
is
that
is
that
correct.
F
C
Or
another
example
might
be
in
the
residential
Zone,
someone
has
a
tennis
court
and
they
they
redo
the
lighting
and
and
it's
quite
a
bit
more
obtrusive
or
whatever
that
that
would
not
be
a
legal
non-conformed
because
they
didn't
obtain
a
permit
for
that
correct.
C
C
G
Well,
of
course,
we
I
have
an
engineer
behind
me,
so
he'll
probably
be
horrified
by
my
explanation
of
things
but
and
correct
me
if
I'm
incorrect,
but
the
lighting
that
we
see
in
the
in
the
room
here
is
is
not
a
light.
It's
an
it's.
A
mixture
of
multiple
colors
of
lights
that
give
us
this
white
or
whitish
sort
of
color
and
the
more
amber
color
is,
is
a
predisposition
toward
red
and
the
white
in
the
back
is
the
predisposition
toward
blue
High.
G
Kelvin
lighting
is
high
and
it's
blue
intensity
and
blue
lighting
has
there's
a
number
of
studies
and
an
emerging
science
on
the
harmful
effects
of
excessive
exposure
to
Blue
lighting
and
those
those
adverse
effects.
Are
things
like
insomnia,
obesity,
sleep,
apnea
type,
2,
diabetes,
retin,
retinal
disease
and
the
that's
that's.
That
is
one.
G
That
I
think
probably
everybody
can
can
taking
too
much
time.
But
everybody
can,
you
know,
has
driven
down
the
street
and
had
a
car
driving
at
them
with
these
high
intensity
white
blue
LED
lights
that
the
driver
behind
the
wheel
can
see,
but
nobody
else
can
see-
and
that's
really
to
me
in
my
mind-
that's
actually
creating
a
danger
rather
than
a
benefit,
so
a
low
intensity
lighting
that
in
by
reducing
the
Kelvin,
you
don't
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
life.
If
an
engineer
can
do
it,
I'm
sure
would
agree
on
that.
G
The
amount
of
light
is
measured
in
lumens
or
can
or
or
candle
power.
The
the
the
Kelvin
is
only
the
the
color
of
the
light,
so
you
can
have
just
as
much
light
with
a
3000
Kelvin
light
as
you
can,
with
the
five
or
six
thousand
Kelvin
light.
So
you
don't
diminish
the
safety
or
your
ability
to
see
at
night.
In
fact,
you
probably
enhance
it
to
some
degree.
D
G
I'm
more
concerned
in
the
residential
areas,
because
I
think
it
you
know,
it's
I,
think
it's
a
quality
of
life
issue.
In
addition,
I
mean
that's
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
here
like
prefer
to
have
a
bright
white
light
and
shining
on
them
or
whether
they
prefer
a
nice
Amber,
yellowy
sort
of
light,
I
think
most
people
for
the
for
prefer:
the
yellow,
more
yellow
lights,
it's
so
for
for
quality
of
life
issues,
I
think
in
a
residential
area.
That
would
be
preferable.
G
A
Let
me
see
on
I
think,
to
kind
of
tag
on
to
commissioner
edselves.
As
far
as
the
residential
and
the
lower
our
lights
becoming
a
problem.
Isn't
that
kind
of
covered
in
the
fact
that
they
can't
extend
past
the
lot
lines
or
the
light
can't
shine
past
the
lot
lines.
A
F
A
So
I
was
just
just
thought.
I
had
and
then
a
question
that
I
did
have
for
our
consultant
here.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
verse
this
online,
in
that
we
were
talking
about
like
car
lots
and
places
that
had
the
shorter
lights
that
want
to
go
to
brighter
lights
or
the
taller
lights
or
no
to
the
brighter
lights.
But
could
you
explain
again
how
they
can
do
that
by
going
to
the
higher
lights
to
taller
lights,.
E
So
you
have
there's
two
different
things
you're
talking
about
there,
so
if
they
want
to
go
to
higher
lights,
it's
usually
so
they
can
get
a
better
coverage
and
then
they
can
reduce
the
number
of
poles.
It's
usually
why
you
want
to
go
to
a
taller
light
if
you
want
to
go
to
a
brighter
light,
so
I
guess
the
example
of
a
car
dealership.
E
They
want
their.
They
want
their
product
to
be
as
bright
as
possible
to
draw
people
in
that's
what
the
higher
light
level
is
typically
about
in
that
situation.
Maybe
it's
a
safety,
though,
in
the
let's
go
to
the
other
end,
where
we're
not
starting
with
the
bright
and
going
brighter.
Maybe
it's
a
it's
already
too
dark
and
they
want
to
increase
the
light
level.
This,
that's
where
increasing
the
light
level
from
an
existing
Source
at
a
certain
mounting
height
would
be
beneficial.
A
A
D
Ahead,
yeah,
do
you
do
you
have
any
comments
on
the
I
know
that
that
there's
also
a
5
000
Kelvin
and
that's
disallowed
in
our
ordinance?
And
what?
What
are
your
comments
or
professional
thoughts
on
you
know?
The
four
thousand
versus
the
3000
is
expressed
by
Dr
Dixon,
so.
E
E
I
believe-
and
you
may
be
able
to
correct
me
on
this,
but
I
think
it's
532
or
538
nanometers
is
the
specific
wavelength
that
they
are
targeting
because
there's
a
there's
a
specific
photoreceptor
in
our
eyes
that
receives
that
wavelength
and
is
stimulated,
and
it
affects
the
processes
within
our
body
when
they
start
throughout
the
day.
And
to
summarize,
what
most
of
the
studies
are
saying
is
the
or
what
they're
starting
to
find
out
adding
on
to
the
study
that
he
he
might
actually
have
the
more
recent
States
as
well.
E
So,
depending
on
how
much
of
that
specific
wavelength
is
in
that
light,
source
is
one
factor
how
much
of
it
is
making
it
through
your
window,
if
you're
at
home
and
it's
coming
from
a
street
light,
let's
say
is
another
factor
and
then
how
long
you're
exposed
to
it,
and
so
one
way
that
you
can
control
that
is
by
us.
You
know
one
is
you
can
limit
the
color
temperature
two?
E
You
could
also
limit
how
long
that
light
is
on,
but
three
can
also
make
sure
that
that
light
doesn't
make
into
the
window,
which
is
what
we
try
to
address
as
far
as
making
sure
that,
if
there's
a
nuisance
and
if
somebody
is
having
that
issue,
they
have
a
way
to
complain
and
say
it
I'm
having
this
blue
light
coming
into
my
into
my
window
and
it's
causing
this
issue
and
to
add
one
more
thing
on
there:
3000
Kelvin
can
3000
Kelvin
sources
can
still
have
that
wavelength,
but
they're
likely
to
have
a
lot
less
of
it,
but
still,
if
someone's
having
a
3000
Kelvin
Source
diving
into
the
window,
I
hope
they're
still
complaining.
E
C
C
Let's
see
a
stupid
question,
first,
I,
guess
and,
and
that
is
what
is
zero
foot
candles
at
the
property
line.
Does
that
mean
you
know
no
light
coming
from
one
side
to
the
other
and
I
have
a
house
that
has
a
side
light
and
I
turn
it
on.
If
I
need
to,
you
know
empty
the
garbage
or
something
am
I
a
violation
of
of
this,
because
it
certainly
goes
across
the
the
light
sheds
across
my
neighbor's
fence,
and
it's
not.
C
C
Okay
and
the
city
has
some
examples
of
that,
of
course,
and
then
back
to
to
staff
on
the
concept
of.
F
Yes,
the
green
building
code
and
Title
24
does
have
certain
parameters
to
reduce
lighting
levels
for
efficiency
currently
in
the
building
code,
and
we
actually
didn't
want
to
go
to
a
very,
very
restrictive
lighting
ordinance
since
we're
updating
the
lighting
ordinance
and
having
it
become
a
more
comprehensive
chapter.
We
definitely
want
to
be
reasonable
and
it's
also
to
kind
of
address.
What
you
were
saying
is
that
we
don't
want
to
now
become
where
we're
out
addressing
lighting
everywhere
and
there's
all
of
a
sudden
we're
creating
this.
F
F
A
Okay,
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
other
questions.
I
think
it's
been
now
we're
all
we're
still
talking
about
more
downward
light,
and
it's
been
quite
a
few
years
since
we've
city
of
Camry
was
allowed
upward
light,
so
anything
shining
up
into
the
sky
so
now
we're
just
even
getting
more
protective
as
how
much
it
can
cover
and
where
and
how
bright.
So
I
was
pretty
pleased
with
what
I
was
reading
as
far
as
what
the
intent
was
to
do.
A
I
also
definitely
understand
the
brightness
of
the
lights
as
what
Dr
Dixon
was
talking
about
from
cars
and
different
stuff,
because
I
do
have
a
lot
of
sensitivity
to
light,
and
so,
if
they're
too
bright
it
does,
it
almost
makes
it
unable
to
see
anything
around
it,
especially
driving,
but
so
that
part
was
real
understandable
to
me
but
yeah.
A
So
if
there's
any
way,
I
don't
know
if
we
would
need
to
go
down
to
3
000
limit
in
residential
properties,
but
as
long
as
we
have
the
the
lot
lines
set
in
there
to
where
it
has
to
be
zero,
I
think
at
the
lot
lines,
I
think
that
pretty
much
protects
that
a
lot
from
other
Lots
or
other
even
walking
on
a
sidewalk
or
something.
So
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
do
we
have?
D
Yeah
we
architectural
committee
met
earlier
for
this
project,
just
particularly
to
review
the
suggested
fixtures
and
the
and
the
little
handout
that
the
city
is
gonna
have
available
for
applicants,
and
you
know
we
thought
that
they
were
all
aesthetically
pleasing
and
we're
accomplishing
what
the
code
was
trying
to
accomplish,
and
it's
going
to
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
applicants,
I,
think
in
the
past
they
would
submit
plans
and
people
would
review
them
and
they
would
on
a
case-by-case.
D
A
C
Well,
one
last
thing:
going
back
to
the
3000
versus
4000
degrees,
Kelvin
I,
think,
on
the
basis
of
the
testimony
we
heard
here
tonight,
both
from
Dr
Dixon,
you
know,
and
the
consultant
I
would
like
to
I
well
I
will
move
to
modify
the
section
19.4706.
C
C
So
my
recommendation
would
be
on
Page
Six
of
the
staff
report.
Section
19.47.065,
design
standards,
Item
B,
will
will
now
read
or
is
proposed
to
read
the
correlated
color
temperature
for
all
exterior
lighting
must
not
exceed
4000
degrees,
Kelvin
comma,
with
the
exception
of
residential
zoned
properties,
where
all
exterior
lighting
must
not
exceed
3000
degrees,
Kelvin
period.
H
B
Yeah
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
the
the
resolution,
and
then
you
guys
can
vote
on
it
and
have
it
have
the
emotion
in
the
second.
We
I
wanted
to
get
out
there.
First,
what
the
proposed
revision
was:
okay
and
then
I'll
read
the
the
ordinance,
the
post
ordinance
and
then
you
guys
can
make
the
motion
and
second
and
then
vote.
B
The
resolution
number
PC
2022-18
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
City
of
Camarillo,
recommending
approval
to
the
city
council
of
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
Camarillo
municipal
code
to
amend
chapters
1912
14
16,
18,
21-28,
30,
32
and
44.
to
indicate
that
exterior
lighting
is
permitted
subject
to
the
procedures
and
regulations
in
accordance
with
the
proposed
ordinance
of
prose
proposed
edition
of
chapter
19,
47
lighting
regulations
and
recommend
approval
to
the
city
council
of
a
resolution.
Adopting
the
City
of
Camarillo
lighting
fixture
guide.
D
A
E
A
Unanimous,
thank
you
so
with
that
we
can
go
on
to
our
next
item
item
C
conditional
use,
permit
412
for
kidstream
kids
museum,
an
activity
center.
I
The
project
site
is
located
southeast
of
Ponderosa,
Drive
and
west
of
eston
Street.
The
approximately
two
acre
parcel
owned
by
the
city
is
currently
occupied
by
a
single
story.
Building
that
was
constructed
as
a
library
in
1974.,
and
this
image
is
a
view
from
the
street.
Looking
at
the
existing
building,
looking
Southwest.
I
To
provide
some
background
on
this
project
on
January
11
2017,
the
city
and
kid
stream
entered
into
an
exclusive
negotiating
agreement
or
Ena
to
determine
the
feasibility
of
converting
the
former
Library
into
a
children's
museum.
During
that
time,
kidstream
was
leasing
the
property
from
the
city
and
providing
limited
activities
and
events
on
June
15th
of
2018.
The
parties
entered
into
a
term
sheet
for
the
potential
purchase
of
the
property
and
development
of
a
children's
museum.
I
The
term
sheet
was
amended
in
2019
and,
most
recently
in
2021,
in
which
the
city
council
authorized
the
donation
of
the
former
library
at
no
cost
to
kidstream
on
October
26
2022.
The
city
council
adopted
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
agreement
for
the
transfer
and
development
of
real
property
and
Joint
escrow
instructions
in
which
the
city
will
donate
the
former
Library
property
to
kidstream
to
operate
a
children's
museum.
I
The
project
will
involve
interior
improvements
to
the
existing
16
750
square
foot.
Former
Library
building
to
provide
indoor
exhibit
space
a
museum
shop
classrooms.
A
maker
space
offices
restrooms
and
a
grabbing
grab-and-go
food
service
area,
the
most
visible
modification
to
the
site,
will
be
the
conversion
of
the
approximately
nineteen
thousand
square
foot
grass
Turf
area
into
a
new
outdoor
exhibit
area
which
will
be
enclosed
by
a
six
foot.
High
block
wall
remaining
landscape
areas
will
be
replaced
with
low
water,
low
maintenance,
native
and
regionally
adopted
plants
suitable
to
Camarillo.
I
Based
on
the
parking
and
traffic
study
for
the
project,
the
museum
will
generate
a
parking
demand
of
101
parking
spaces.
There's
currently
88
parking
spaces
adjacent
to
the
building
that
served.
The
library
and
kidstream
is
proposing
to
expand
the
parking
lot
along
Esten
on
the
Pleasant,
Valley
Recreation
and
Park
District
property
to
create
an
additional
21
parking
spaces,
bringing
the
total
number
of
parking
spaces
to
109.,
kidstream
and
pvrpd
entered
into
a
parking
access
and
maintenance
agreement
for
the
expansion
of
the
parking
lot.
I
phase.
Two
includes
expansion
of
the
parking
lot,
which
is
anticipated
to
start
in
July
of
2024
and
be
completed
in
September
of
2024..
Parking
strategies
may
need
to
be
implemented
until
expansion
of
the
parking
lot
is
completed.
Special
condition
of
approval
requires
middle
of
a
phasing
plan,
supported
by
a
parking
study
that
demonstrates
that
at
each
phase
sufficient
parking
will
be
provided.
I
I
I
The
interior
improvements
and
the
new
outdoor
exhibit
area
will
enhance
the
function
of
the
building
in
exterior
space
for
reuse
as
a
children's
Children's
Museum,
the
property
served
as
a
library
and
Community
Center
for
30
years
for
30
years.
The
ReUse
of
the
property
as
a
children's
museum
is
consistent
with
the
use
of
the
property
for
public
use.
I
In
conclusion,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
find
that
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
SQL
under
Class
32
in
field
development
projects
and
adopt
a
resolution
approving
cup
412.
The
action
of
the
Planning
Commission
is
final
unless
an
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
Your
Action,
and
that
concludes
South
staff's
report.
I
A
D
C
D
It's
on
that
attachment
three
in
it.
It's
grants
from
a
non-exclusive
right
to
access
and
use
to
the
shared
parking
to
park
and
and
then
at
kid
screen.
May
access,
the
shared
parking
Tuesday
through
Saturday
10
to
5,
Sundays
12
to
5
and
holidays
and
special
events
will
be
communicated.
A
I
was
going
to
say
for
me,
I
know
and
when
I've
been
over
there
to
check
on
the
use
of
the
tennis
courts
and
the
different
things
than
when
I
was
driving
around.
You
did
get
public
parking
in
there
for
use
with
a
backboard
to
shoot
on
the
backboards
or
even
to
have
access
to
the
tennis
courts,
not
a
lot.
But
you
know
just
in
the
one
portion.
That's
already
there,
so
yeah
I'm.
D
Reading
on
the
page,
two
of
this
too,
under
the
non-exclusive
right,
it
says
that
the
you
know
the
park
America
has
a
right
to
use
it
to
the
extent
that
it
does
not
interfere
with
the
rights
granted.
The
kids
stream
under
this
agreement
so
I
think
if
it
interferes
with
what
they
do,
then
kidstream
would
have
priority
to
it
from
what
I
interpret
this.
I
Yeah,
that's
the
intent
of
the
agreement
is
to
have
those
parking
spaces
reserved
for
kidstream,
just
based
on
the
proximity
of
those
parking
spaces.
We
anticipate
those
will
be
utilized
mainly
for
people
that
are
going
to
be
visiting
the
museum.
I
Okay
right
and
then
it
does
have
specifically
the
hours
the
days
and
hours
of
operation
of
the
museum
in
which
those
parking
spaces
will
be
provided
for
use
by
kidstream.
I
A
A
You
know
during
hours
of
operation
so
and
I
just
didn't
know
if,
if
they
have
total
use
of
it
during
hours
of
operations,
then
people
using
the
backwards
and
the
tennis
courts
would
have
to
either
they'd
be
either
walk
more
parking
on
the
street
as
there
is
now
or
walking
further
from
the
parking
lots
that
are
off
of
over
by
the
swimming
pool
and
such.
I
You
know
I
mean
we
don't
anticipate
that
that
would
occur.
You
know
this
agreement
is
mainly
setting
forth
kid
streams,
rights
to
use
that
parking
area
for
their
Museum.
Okay,.
A
A
A
Okay,
this
is
from
Jonathan
solorsano
Hamilton
and
if
you
could
come
up
and
introduce
yourself-
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
talk-
and
this
is
on
the
this
agenda
item-
thank
you.
J
Good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
to
share
a
little
bit
about
our
passion
for
this
project.
We
appreciate
your
inquiry
to
the
to
the
cup
and
the
SQL
exemption.
A
Thank
you,
and
do
we
just
want
to
go
into
questions.
C
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
parking
the
21
Extra
Spaces.
What
what
is
your
understanding
of
who
will
take
priority
or
or
not,
I
think
the
understanding
is
not
necessarily
one
a
priority,
but
that
it
establishes
that
those
21
Extra
Spaces
during
the
time
that
kid
stream
is
in
operation
would
be
accessible
by.
Those
who
would
be
using
kidstream,
but
not
necessarily
excluding
Park
users
is.
Is
that
your
understanding.
J
Yes,
I
suppose
I
should
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Michael
Shanklin
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
kidstream
Children's
Museum.
So
to
your
question,
commissioner
Murphy
we
one
of
the
wonderful
things
about
being
a
children's
museum.
Is
we
play
well
in
the
sandbox
with
others?
So
it
is
our
understanding
that
the
parking
expansion
will
be
a
shared
space.
J
We
have
had
a
number
of
discussions
with
pvrpd
about
that
space
and
I.
Think
we've
we've
all
committed
that
as
we
work
through
the
logistics
of
sharing
a
parking
lot,
we're
going
to
commit
to
communicating
with
one
another
if
there
are
challenges
to
a
shared
parking
space
and
then
working
through
those
challenges
to
find
Solutions.
So
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
one
group
or
the
other
has
priority
there
per
se.
J
Fortunately,
our
hours
offset
quite
well
so
I
I,
don't
Envision
their
being
a
challenge
to
those
spaces
on
a
frequent
basis.
Then,
in
the
event
that
there
is
we'll
we'll
work
through
it,
but
our
our
intent
is
that
we
we
want
to
try
to
keep
all
of
the
parking
off
of
the
street
of
Austin,
because
we
know
that
that's
a
that's
a
a
challenge
for
our
our
neighbors
and
we
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
A
Okay,
I
would
probably
like
to
ask
one
to
start
with
on
the
the
parking
agreements
between
the
park
and
kidstream
and
what
was
the
park
and
the
library.
A
J
That's
a
great
question,
Vice
chairman,
so
what
we
have
agreed
to
do
is
put
a
certain
number
of
triggers
in
place
so
that
when
the
museum
begins
to
need
to
expand
that,
we
can
then
incite
those
triggers
to
work
with
pvrpd
to
access
that
additional
land
to
create
those
additional
parking
spaces.
J
But
in
the
short
term
we
don't.
We
don't
anticipate
that
that's
going
to
be
a
situation
until
most
likely
the
summer
of
2024
and
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
other
important
component
to
note
is
that
we've
worked
with
the
city
to
look
at
a
phasing
plan
for
our
exhibits,
and
then
we
can
also
enact
situations
where
we
limit
the
number
of
tickets
that
are
sold
so
that
we
in
internally
can
control
the
the
number
of
people
parking
at
the
Museum
or
at
least
attendance
and
then
they're
there
by
a
parking
yeah.
A
And
so
I
guess,
what
wasn't
clear
to
me
is
be
if
the
other,
if
the
initial
agreement
was
with
the
library
which
has
been
vacant
for
quite
a
while
for
the
strip
of
parking
and
then
the
one
area
that's
currently
somewhat
paved
and
now
you're
extending
that
is.
This
is
going
to
be
a
new
written
agreement
to
cover
all
of
this.
J
Yes,
I
mean
the
short
answer
is
yes,
we
we
looked
to
the
prior
to
the
library
agreement
with
pdrpd,
but
that
obviously
predated
us.
So
what
we,
what
we
did
was
just
looked
at
the
current
circumstances.
What
do
we?
What
are
our
needs?
What
are
their
needs
and
then,
essentially,
we
created
a
new
agreement
from
scratch
and
then
added
the
additional
parking
needs
for
something
that
would
be
triggered
down
the
road.
Should
that
be
the
case.
Okay,.
A
J
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
thank
the
staff
for
the
hard
work
on
this
project.
We've
we're
very
proud
of
this
project
and
know
that
it's
going
to
be
one
of
the
gyms
for
the
for
the
city.
So
thank
you
all
so
much.
Thank.
D
A
H
My
name
is
Jonathan
solorsano,
Hamilton
and
I
live
at
1240
Milligan
Drive,
approximately
700
feet
from
the
proposed
site.
I
have
been
a
homeowner
and
resident
of
this
neighborhood
for
nearly
eight
years
and
I
strongly
support
the
conversion
of
this
site
into
a
children's
museum.
I
see
substantial
benefits
and
very
few
downsides.
My
wife
and
I
actually
stumbled
upon
an
early
kid
stream
meeting
when
we
were
walking
our
then
infant
son
through
the
neighborhood,
and
we
were
thrilled
that
something
was
going
to
happen
with
the
derelict
Library.
H
That's
just
been
sort
of
slowly
decaying
in
the
corner
of
the
neighborhood,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
support
this.
The
Bureau
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development
ran
a
longitudinal
study
in
Baltimore
from
1991
to
2010
that
showed
that
abandoned
and
vacant
buildings
have
a
very
strong
depressive
impact
on
property
values.
It
gets
worse
and
larger
in
radius.
The
longer
they
stand
vacant.
H
In
contrast,
Williams
College,
among
other
places,
have
run
studies
that
have
shown
that
there
is
a
net
positive
increase
of
over
ten
thousand
dollars,
typically
in
neighborhood
property
values
associated
with
the
installation
of
museums
nearby
as
compared
with
comparable
neighborhoods
that
don't
have
Children's
Museums.
So
as
a
homeowner
and
a
resident
of
this
neighborhood
I've
been
a
strong
supporter
of
this
project
for
a
long
time.
Full
disclosure
I
am
a
donor
to
kidstream
and
will
be
an
incoming
member
of
the
board
next
year.
H
But
it
is
something
I'm,
just
desperate
to
see
as
an
improvement
to
our
neighborhood
and
feel
very
strongly
passionately
in
favor
of
with
regards
to
the
parking
situation.
I
am
in
the
neighborhood,
probably
more
than
anybody
else
in
this
room.
So
I
drive
past
that
park
or
walk
past
that
Park
a
couple
of
times
a
day
every
day,
I
think
I
typically
see
between
five
and
eight
cars
there.
H
You
know
during
lunch
time
most
of
the
time
folks
go
in
there
to
have
lunch
and
outside
of
those
hours,
it's
typically
teenagers,
getting
away
from
their
house
to
do
stuff
in
an
empty
parking
lot
that
they
don't
want
to
do
in
their
homes.
So
I'd
much
rather
have
a
you
know
nice
and
you
know
Community
benefiting
use
of
that
space.
That
would
improve
it
for
for
my
community,
so
I
just
strongly
support
this
project
and
I
hope
it
goes
forward.
C
A
C
A
C
Yeah
this
looks
like
a
great
project.
It's
it's
hard
to
argue
with
the
collaboration
with
the
city
and
Community
Partnerships
that
have
been
established.
A
lot
of
work
has
been
put
into
this
and
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
the
city
staff
has
put
into
it
and
as
well
as
the
applicant
and
the
additional
supporting
comments
by
Mr
Hamilton
is
just
a
an
exciting
opportunity
for
the
the
youth
in
our
community
to
have
a
venue
to
learn
and
learn
in
a
fun
way.
So
I
can
easily
support
the
project.
A
D
Oh
Architectural,
Review,
Committee,
I
guess,
yes,
we
met
earlier
on
the
architectural
aspect
of
it
and
we
thought
the
improvements
were
making.
You
know
fits
right
in
with
the
neighborhood
and
it's
going
to
be
spruced
up
for
what
they
have
and
we
we
approved
it
on
that
basis.
But
I
also
wanted
to
comment.
I
I
can't
think
of
a
better
use
for
that
that
site
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
project
and
I
think
the
all
the
school
districts
and
everything
are
going
to
be
involved
using
it.
D
So
I
think
you'll
I
think
you'll
exceed
that
150
000
projection.
Is
that
just
seemed
kind
of
low
to
me?
But
anyway-
and
it's
just
I
mean
it
was
a
library
before,
but
it's
an
excellent
spot
next
to
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
in
the
park
there.
So
it
really
lends
to
the
area-
and
you
know-
and
it's
been
vacant
for
a
while,
so
it'll
be
it'll,
be
good
to
have
that
spruced
up
and
be
vibrant
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I
fully
support
it
as
well.
C
No
further
comments,
other
than
I
also
prove
that
the
architecture
is
approved
just
further
support.
Thank
you.
A
A
You
know,
even
if
they're
just
daytime
trips,
to
come
into
the
museum
that
will
use
other
sources
and
stuff
and
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
benefit
to
Camarillo
and
to
Ventura
County
I
could
say
the
my
main
concern
was
I,
just
didn't
understand,
really
where
the
agreements
were
tied
together
and
how
that
was
done.
A
I
did
have
a
question
on
the
wall
around
and
as
far
as
neighbors
looking
at
the
wall
that
was
answered,
I
will
say
dear
and
the
architecture
review
that
there's
going
to
be,
even
though
there's
going
to
be
a
block
fence,
there's
going
to
be
extra
planting
area
in
front
of
it
and
trees
that
are
going
to
kind
of
hide
that
block
fence.
So
the
residents
across
the
street
will
still
have
something
that's
pleasing
to
look
at
rather
than
just
a
wall
and
other
than
that.
A
I
really
didn't
have
any
other
concerns
too
much
that
jumped
up
at
me
because
it's
taking
an
existing
building.
That's
been
vacant
they're,
going
to
use
that
space.
It's
going
to
be
well
used
by
many
families
and
I.
Think
staff
did
a
great
job
on
it,
putting
it
together
so
I'm
all
in
favor
of
it
and.
B
Resolution
number
PC
2022-19
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
City
of
Camarillo,
approving
a
conditional
use
permit
requests
by
kidstream
for
the
ReUse
of
the
existing
16
750
square
foot,
former
Library
building
into
a
new
children's
museum,
including
the
construction
of
a
new
19
000
square
foot
outdoor
exhibit
space.
An
expansion
of
the
existing
parking
lot
further
described
as
cup
412.
C
B
Yes,
I
have
just
two
items
that
I
want
to
highlight
for
the
Planning
Commission.
We
have
just
received
communication
that
the
the
2023
planning
Commissioners
Academy,
will
be
in
Orange
County
at
the
end
of
March,
so
we've
been
signing
everyone
up
for
that,
so
you'll
probably
check
your
email
you'll
be
seeing
a
notification
on
that
and
we'll
be
reserving
the
the
hotel
and
all
that
stuff
for
you,
so
the
travel
Arrangements
will
be
following
out
shortly
and
then
also
our
first
meeting.
B
Our
next
meeting
really
and
first
meeting
of
2023
will
be
we're
shooting
for
January,
17th
and
and
at
that
meeting
we'll
do
a
reorganization
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
also
awesome
training
will
provide
at
that
time
we
don't
have
any
items,
other
items
scheduled
for
that
we
want
to
really
focus
on
the
reorganization
and
provide
some
training
expense.
B
Sometime
now,
since
you
know,
with
covid
and
kind
of
put
a
you
know,
threw
us
all
for
a
loop
there,
but
now
we
want
to
get
back
to
our
our
training
and
and
then
hopefully,
that'll
give
you
give
the
plant
Commissioners
a
good
platform
to
go
to
the
planet.
The
planning
Commissioners
Academy-
you
know
a
couple
months
later
after
that,
so
okay,
we'll
try
to
you,
know,
provide
a
precursor
to
that
planning.
Commissioners
Academy.
B
So
that's
all
I
had
for
my
director's
report.
A
Okay
and
anything
else
from
the
commissioners.
D
No
I,
just
my
comment
is
once
we
know
who
the
new
Commissioners
are:
I'd,
really
encourage
them
to
go
to
that
Planning
Commission
one
because
they
have.
You
know
great
classes,
for
you
know,
beginning
planning,
commissioner,
and
there
is
a
learning
curve,
so
that'll
be
helpful,
so
once
you
let
us
know
who
they
are
I
wouldn't
mind
reaching
out
to
them
separately.
If
you
know
just
give
them
the
Comfort
level,
if
you,
if,
if
that,
would
work
out.