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A
B
Mayor
city,
council
members-
and
this
is
an
honor
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
gonna,
be
reading
a
prayer
and
that
they
actually
use
over
in
Fort
Fairfield.
We
pray
for
our
country
at
all
times,
but
all
citizens
are
safe,
healthy
and
happy.
We
pray
for
wisdom
for
all
those
who
guide
and
govern
help
this
government
body
in
every
situation
to
know
and
to
do
the
things
that
are
right
and
just
with
soundness
of
judgment
in
making
vital
decisions.
B
B
Just
a
side
note
and
I
would
be
remiss
to
not
save
us
on
a
minister
and
and
I
just
want
to
say:
I
bless,
you
I
bless,
you
I
bless
your
lives.
I
bless
your
families.
I
bless
you
as
a
governing
body
and
I
do
pray
that
this
community
prospers
and
I.
Think
you
for
the
work
that
you
do.
I
honor
you
and
the
work
that
you
do
for
this
city.
I
know
it's
not
easy,
but
we
thank.
You
bless.
You
very.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
procedural
matter
number
two
public
forum
this
year,
I'm
going
to
implement
the
the
mayor,
will
implement
the
policy
that
we
will
open.
The
council
meetings
for
public
forum
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
after
the
public
forum
is
over.
Public
comment
will
cease
and
will
not
be
allowed
so
number
for
public
forum.
Anybody
wish
to
speak.
A
C
C
C
I,
don't
know
if
the
committee
or
the
council
here
is
fully
aware
that
by
taking
this
action
for
of
changing
the
rates
immediately
from
$11.50
per
person
to
$100
per
person
really
does
from
the
opinion
of
not
just
my
pound
but
the
other
surrounding
towns
that
are
affected
by
this.
You
are
holding
our
elders
hostage
for
a
ransom,
and
it
is
very
unfortunate
that
you
have
decided
to
take
this
decision.
I'm
sad
that
you
aren't
going
to
allow
public
comment
when
we
do
discuss
the
ambulance
service.
C
The
town
of
param
is
really
not
prepared
to
deal
with
this
right
now,
if
we're
not
even
illegally
allowed
to
make
this
decision
by
the
deadline
that
you've
set
by
January
31st
for
many
years,
this
hasn't
been
an
item
on
the
annual
meeting
warrant.
In
order
to
raise
this
funds,
there
is
no
way
that
the
selectmen
can
make
this
decision
on
their
own.
C
If
you
choose
to
pursue
this,
you
are
going
to
force
us
into
a
situation
in
which
my
residents
do
not
receive
Maine,
potentially
not
receive
emergency
services,
and
you
are
putting
their
lives
on
the
line.
I
strongly
suggest
that
you
at
least
move
this
deadline
until
March
31st,
so
that
my
town
can
be
a
part
of
this.
There
are
other
towns
affected
that
had
I'd
have
ate
out
their
annual
town
meeting
at
a
later
date
than
that.
C
I
am
not
specific
of
what
not
sure
when
those
are
scheduled,
but
I
strongly
recommend
that
you
contact
them
as
to
when
they
are
legally
allowed
to
make
this
decision.
Also,
the
the
hundred
dollar
are
moving
to
immediately
to
a
hundred
dollars
is
fiscally
impractical
for
our
town.
If
you
were
to
break
this
up
into
smaller
and
smaller
increments,
my
town
is
a
chance
to
cope
with
this
without
having
to
search
for
alternative
options.
We
under
Louie
are
very
pleased
that
the
cost
for
ambulance
service
have
not
gone
up
very
much.
C
For
many
years-
and
we
understand
that
a
large
increase
is
necessary,
but
these
small
towns
cannot
cope
with
that.
You
are
asking
us
to
raise
1.5
mils
in
order
to
meet
this
cost.
In
addition
to
what
we're
already
paying
we
can
not.
The
voters
will
not
accept
this.
Please
consider
breaking
into
smaller
increments.
Let's
raise
at
$10
a
year.
Let's
say:
let's
raise
a
$20
a
year,
we
might
be
able
to
swing
that,
but
the
wait
would
the
way
these
options
are
written.
C
C
What
you
are
typically
what
you
are
citing
for
an
order
for
exec
you
executive
session
is
405,
not
what
it
see
here.
405,
six,
a
see,
I
believe
when
you
are
exciting.
This
you're
only
citing
the
last
25%
of
the
statute
and
ignoring
the
first
three
quarters
only
read
the
statute
for
you
that
you
are
quoting
for
your
executive
sessions,
discussion
or
consideration
of
the
condition,
acquisition
or
the
use
of
real
or
personal
property,
primarily
attached
to
real
property
or
the
interests
therein
or
disposition
of
publicly
held
property
or
Economic
Development.
C
Only
if
premature
disclosure
of
the
information
would
prejudice
the
Pettit
of
bargaining
position
of
the
body
or
agency
and
I
will
leave
this
with
you
is
this
effort
to
raise
this
this
much
money
from
the
most
world
and
vulnerable
people
in
the
area
is
that
economic
development?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
A
E
I
know
this
man
is
concerned
about
the
price
of
the
ambulance
service
in
his
town.
I.
Don't
think
he
realizes
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
many
years,
but
what
he
said
tonight
has
no
has
no
credence
with
what
is
going
on
in
caribou
and
caribou
owning
an
ambulance
service.
If
they're
not
satisfied
with
the
ambulance
service
price
they've
got
the
right
to
refuse
it
and
buy
an
ambulance
on
their
own
and.
E
Wouldn't
that
be
the
answer
to
that
problem
and
they'd
be
no
argument,
because
I
must
I
might
remind
you.
People
we've
been
given
ambulance
services
to
other
towns
at
a
cheaper
rate
than
what
we've
been
paying
this
town
and
we're
assuming
oli
of
responsibility
and
there's
not
gonna,
be
any
more
of
this
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
you've
got
the
right
to
buy
your
own
ambulance.
F
Thank
you
do
see
you
done
nudes
new
boobies
business
as
well
and
I'm,
hoping
that
this
is
also
going
to
be
discussed
an
executive
session
a
little
bit
further
I'm
requesting
if
I
can
to
partake
in
that
discussion
once
it
goes
into
the
second
session.
Well,
I
understand
as
a
taxpayer
here
in
the
town
that
we
have
to
make
some
tough
decisions,
it's
a
lot
easier
when
we
have
budgets
and
that
we
can
actually
see
each
line
item
for
a
number
of
years.
F
These
budgets
help
us
be
able
to
make
it
an
educated
decision
instead
of
a
knee-jerk
decision
and
I.
Think
that's
where
we're
at
right
now,
the
community
has,
for
a
number
of
years
kicked
the
can
down
the
road
on
a
number
of
different
things,
and
this
is
no
different.
What
to
do
that
is
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
F
I
really
think
we
would
be
doing
wrong
to
not
only
our
community
but
the
communities
that
have
experienced
some
of
our
graciousness
with
the
eleven
dollar
and
fifty
cent
fee,
as
well
as
the
benefit
of
our
ability
to
provide
that
I'm
not
going
to
go.
As
far
as
to
tell
somebody
go,
get
your
own
ambulance
just
because
I
thought
find
that
to
be
quite
rude
and
I
think
we
can
do
better
than
that.
F
I
think
we
need
to
just
and
really
discuss
this
if
we
need
to
bring
the
chief
in
and
go
over
his
budgets
and
find
out
why
it
is
that
our
budget
for
caribou
is
2.6
million
2.8
million
somewhere
in
that
range,
when
Presque
Isle
a
larger
department,
larger
population
is
1
million
dollars
less
well.
That
would
be
something
I'd
like
to
know
why
I'd
like
to
know
that
before
I
go
tell
somebody
that
go,
buy
an
ambulance,
so
I'd
appreciate
it.
F
G
G
Modest
increase
in
the
last
five
even
ten
years
could
have
softened
this.
So
our
appeal
is
reasonableness
and
we
are
certainly
more
than
when
willing,
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
providing
EMS
services
of
restrictions,
whether
they're,
privately
owned
or
by
municipalities,
distance
and
time
is
a
factor
to
respond
to
calls
and
a
overarching
question
for
us.
Is
we
had
an
email,
through
the
town
of
Parham
from
mr.
marker,
indicating
that
the
current
agreement
would
stay
in
effect
until
January
31st?
That's
the
only
correspondence
we've
had
relative
to
that.
G
B
G
E
The
care
Baretta
residents
are
assuming
all
the
responsibilities
for
labour
for
materials
for
ambulances,
and
if
we're
going
to
service
these
communities,
we
ought
to
get
together
with
all
those
communities
and
explain
to
them
what
the
consequences
are.
It
makes
me
look
bad
to
get
up
here
tonight
and
tell
you
what
should
be
done
and
the
blame
is
all
on
me
and
I'm
willing
to
take
it.
I
don't
give
a
damn
okay,
but
something
has
got
to
be
done
about
this.
We
can't
have
other
towns
coming
in
to
us
and
dictating
any
policies.
H
That
no
but
I
do
understand
I'm
Ellen
angel
with
artifacts,
architects
and
engineers
in
Bangor,
Maine
and
I've,
been
selected
by
all
of
you
folks
to
be
the
architect
evaluating
some
buildings
here
in
Caribou
for
the
purposes
of
the
police
department
and
also
for
looking
at
programming
for
the
police
department.
So
I
want
to
tell
you
as
quickly
as
I
can
a
little
bit
about
us
and
about
what
we
plan
on
doing
so.
Our
firm
is
fairly
small.
H
H
For
those
prices,
so
when
a
community
looks
on
the
possibility
of
a
new
facility
for
Public
Safety,
but
yet
police
or
fire
there's
a
heavy
price
involved,
and
what
I
wanted
to
make
clear,
starting
this
because
I
think
later
on
you're
all
going
to
get
questions
about
this
is
why
do
these
facilities
cost
so
much
money
and
there's
a
couple
of
things?
One
is
all
public
facilities.
H
Public
safety
facilities
since
2012
have
been
required
to
meet
a
higher
standard
of
construction
than
other
building
types,
so
only
hospitals
really
in
schools
have
to
meet
the
same
standards
as
police
and
fire,
so
you're
working
at
that
level
also
there's
been
a
philosophical
change,
that's
reflected
in
the
in
the
newer
codes
and
the
codes
in
my
business
are
basically
the
law
and
not
meeting
a
code
is
like
breaking
the
law
right.
I
know:
people
have,
you
know
different
concerns
about.
Why
do
we
have
to
do
this,
and
why
do
we
have
to
do
that?
H
But
everything
that's
in
the
IBC
or
which
has
been
adopted
by
the
state
of
Maine
into
what's
called
new
back
the
Maine
unisol
Maine
uniform
building
in
environmental
codes.
Everything
that's
in
there
is
the
result
of
some
disaster.
That's
happened
that
someone
has
brought
up
and
said.
Are
we
doing
what
we
should
do
with
our
buildings?
To
avoid
this?
Not
small
things?
H
Gas
station
or
a
store,
a
convenience
store
any
of
those
things
and
it
tends
to
cost
more
money.
The
other
thing
is
a
philosophical
change
that
says
that
if
everything
else
goes,
there
should
be
a
police
station,
a
fire
station,
a
hospital.
You
know
an
emergency
operation
center
so
that
somebody
in
the
community
can
say
well.
Those
guys
can
help
me
there's
somebody
there
to
help,
because
if
that's
not
there,
there's
nothing
there.
H
So
the
prices
of
those
facilities
have
gone
up
and
I
I
know
it's
hard
on
a
on
a
community
and
on
on
a
council
to
look
at
those
numbers
when
they
start
to
come
in
and
say:
oh,
my
god,
how
do
we
pay
for
this
and
I
know?
You've
looked
at
that
in
the
face
previously
and
said:
well,
we
can't,
but
what
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
find
the
most
reasonable
way
of
doing
this?
H
That
provides
everything
that
your
community
needs,
that
your
department
needs
and
that
you're
looking
for
it
and
that
you
can
explain
to
the
citizens
and
say
this
is
why
it
costs.
So
it
does
so
as
as
transparent
as
we
can.
With
all
of
our
findings
and
with
all
of
our
costs-
and
we
hope
that
we
make
you
happy
and
because
we
want
to
make-
you
definitely
want
to
make
these
police
guys
happy
and
get
them
out
of
the
basement.
I
think
that's
a
time
overdue.
H
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me
now
and
be
happy
to
answer
them,
I'll
also
be
here
tomorrow.
The
way
we
are
doing
this
process
is,
we
will
start
tomorrow
and
evaluating
the
building
options
that
you
have
available
at
this
point,
that
you
are
thinking
as
potential
sites
for
the
police
department,
so
I'll
be
looking
at
those
buildings.
Tomorrow
morning,
tomorrow
afternoon
I'll
be
joined
by
an
associate
a
consultant
who's
out
of
Baltimore
Maryland,
who
does
basically
fully
public
safety
projects.
That's
all
he
does.
H
Does
him
all
over
the
country
and
we've
worked
with
him
on
several
projects.
He's
we
chose
to
go
this
direction
because
he's
so
knowledgeable.
We
do
one
or
two
public
safety
projects
a
year.
He
probably
does
50.
So,
there's
a
there's,
a
huge
amount
of
information
and
experience
that
he
brings
to
this
process,
so
we'll
be
meeting
with
the
department
tomorrow
afternoon
to
go
over
all
of
the
organizational
things
and
the
facility
needs
that
they
have
so
I'll,
be
here
all
day
tomorrow.
A
A
H
A
Up
a
time
with
you
all
right,
because
I
just
really
don't
know,
I
don't
even
have
an
idea
what
buildings
you're
gonna
go.
Look
at
I
mean
I
got
a
general
I
talking
about
the
site,
L
buildin,
we're
talking
about
VMs
buildin,
we're
talking
about
in
this
building
and
you're
gonna.
Look
at
this
bills
correct!
These
are
those
are
the
three
so
we'll
look,
although
I'd
mentioned
okay,
that's.
H
Right
so
we'll
look
at
them
from
a
couple
of
different
standpoints.
The
main
one
is
is
going
to
be
just
as
a
general
facility
assessment
right.
What's
the
condition
of
the
of
the
building,
you
know
floors
ceiling
walls,
exterior
windows,
heating,
ventilation,
electrical
just
you
know,
go
down
the
list
and
look
at
the
condition
of
that.
Then
we'll
look
at
it
from
the
potential
for
housing,
primarily
the
the
the
police
but
I.
H
A
J
The
schedule
that
we
have
for
tomorrow
morning,
right
now
is
8
o'clock
here
walking
through
this
building.
The
plan
is,
to
you,
know,
it'd,
be
a
mess
building
at
9:30,
walk
through
that
briefly
and
then
10:30,
roughly
10:30
to
noon,
walk
through
the
side
tale,
building
and
then
after
I
have
a
short
bunch
break
and
then
move
on
to
meeting
with
the
departments
or
going
back
and
looking
at
things
as
I'm,
good,
okay,.
A
J
So
the
bottom
line
for
that
totals,
we
had
budgeted
nine
point:
nine
million
total
for
the
year
through
November.
We
are
at
eight
point
nine
million,
and
so
we
were
at
ninety
point
six
one
percent
of
expenses
through
the
year
with
December
still
to
come
so
sitting
in
a
decent
position.
As
far
as
expenses
are
concerned,
the
revenues
are
in
a
similar
situation.
We
were
a
little
bit
ahead
in
the
revenues,
ultimately
we'll
be
bringing
the
year-end
information
to
you.
J
We
hope
at
the
next
meeting
and
it's
it's
looking
tight,
but
we
should
be
able
to
end
the
year
with
expenses
being
slightly
under
budget
and
revenues,
maybe
under
budget
still,
but
the
difference
in
the
expenses
and
the
revenues
still
is
going
to
offset
to
where
we
come
out
a
little
bit
ahead
at
the
end
of
the
year,
not
by
much,
but
we
should
be
sitting
fine
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We're
still
in
the
process.
A
One
abstention:
okay,
five
for
passing
it
one
abstention,
Thank
You
Dennis
at
the
next
meeting.
Could
you
have
the
explanation
on
how
we're
going
to
introduce
a
new
line?
Item
for
2020
called
the
rainy
day
fund
could
be
simple,
could
be
complicated,
I,
don't
know
how
it's
done.
Could
you
tell
me
it's.
J
D
L
J
A
Motion:
okay-
okay,
sorry,
oh
I,
get
it
okay,
I'll
try
to
do
I'll
figure
that
106
be
organizational
meeting
held.
January
second
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes,
so
moved
moved
by
Doug
seconded
by
Nicole
to
accept
the
organizational
minute
minutes
for
the
or
January
2nd
meeting
any
comments.
Questions
additions,
subtractions
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor;
five,
six,
six
for
G
dumplings,
okay,.
A
A
Committee
council
formed
the
committee
back
in
April
of
last
year
to
look
at
a
blight
condition
of
caribou
and
they
gave
us
a
very
nice
report
and
we've
started
to
work
on
the
report
that
they
gave
us
and
before
we
go
too
much
farther.
We
wanted
to
recognize
those
people
there
was
Timothy
ring,
Jake
am
Karen,
Rockwell
will
let
Jessica
Plourd
and
chairman
Paul
camping.
A
The
city
has
put
together
certificates
suitable
for
framing
in
recognition
of
the
work
they
did
an
excellent
job.
They
realized
they
didn't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
and
boy.
Did
they
give
us
some
good
reading
material?
But
the
answers
are
there
and
we're
going
to
start
to
implement
I
think
it's
called.
We
can
do
it
a
five
step,
quick
plan
and
how
to
address
blight
in
our
community.
A
D
A
Another
recognition
is
for
Dave
Wakeham
Dave
Wakeham
has
served
on
the
hospital
district
board
for
many
many
years.
The
hospital
will.
The
hospital
district
board
is
the
board
that's
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
our
hospital,
our
city-owned
Hospital
and
as
the
young
lady
mentioned,
this
hospital
has
a
lot
of
stringent
criteria
that
they
have
to
follow
because,
when
disaster
strike
like
she
mentioned,
you
want
the
hospital
to
be
there
and
through
the
hard
work
of
Dave
and
the
crew
and
the
other
members
of
the
board.
A
They've
done
an
excellent
job.
You
can
walk
through
that
building
and
it
looks
pretty
darn
good,
but
it's
done
with
a
sense
of
quality
and
a
sense
of
understanding
that
tax
dollars
just
aren't
flying
around
there
or
or
money's,
aren't
just
lying
around
and
they
do
an
excellent
job
in
bringing
it
together.
So.
M
A
A
J
The
there
were
three
individuals
that
wanted
to
serve
again
on
the
Nylander
board.
One
was
Heather
Hale
and
Gail
Hegel
Steen,
who
was
the
been
the
the
past
chair
for
the
Nylund
aboard,
and
the
final
one
was
Kimber
noise
who
also
has
been
serving
there.
We
spoke
with
Gail
about
the
service
and
their
recommendations
for
terms
on
these.
Gail
would
like
to
serve
for
another
three
years
as
well
as
have
Kimber
served
for
three
years
and
Heather
Hale
would
be
for
a
one-year
term.
A
A
By
Jones
seconded
by
Doug
any
questions
or
comments
hearing
none
all
those
in
favor
motion
carries.
Thank
you
item
number
two
citizens
at
Airport,
Advisory
Committee,
one
person,
there's
one
position
and
one
person
Tom
gets
do
I.
Have
that
right?
Yes,
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
so
moved
by
Doug
and
seconded
by
you
to
nominate
Tom
gets
for
the
citizens
Airport
Advisory
Committee.
Is
this
say
how
many
of
your
term
would
this
be
three
any
questions
or
comments?
A
J
A
J
So
it
was
since
the
time
that
the
packet
went
out.
We
received
two
applications
for
the
Planning
Board.
If
you'd
like
to
entertain
those
tonight,
one
is
mr.
David
Corvo
I
understand
he
was
at
the
Planning
Board
meeting
last
week
and
participated
there
as
a
citizen.
Also
a
mr.
drew
air
and
they're
both
interested
in
serving
on
the
Planning
Board.
If
the
council
would
like
to
make.
M
L
D
A
That
moved
by
Tom,
second,
it
by
Doug
Dave
Corvo
for
three
year
term,
drew
air
for
a
one
year
term
on
the
planning
board
any
comments
or
questions
hearing
none
all
those
in
favor
motion
carries.
Thank
you
blight,
Commission,
okay,
I
got
that
one
blade.
Commission
I
have
a
blade
Commission
Dennis
marker
for
facilitator,
John,
Swanberg,
ken
Murchison
Phil,
sear,
penny
Thompson
and
Paul
camping
the
goals
to
gain
a
consensus
for
developing
a
blight
strategy
with
categories
and
definitions
for
each
category
except
access,
nature
and
extent
of
the
blight
within
the
different
categories.
A
Goal
number
three
develop
strategies
and
priorities
for
the
development
of
the
categories
through
folks
through
flowcharts
of
authority,
flowcharts
of
financial
and
flowcharts
of
problem-solving
review
number
four
review
tools
required
to
implement
problem-solving
and
the
council
would
like
to
have
a
report
to
the
best
of
their
ability
to
the
council
by
May
1st
2020.
So
on
the
table
tonight
is
the
blight
Commission
Dennis
marker,
John,
Swanberg,
ken
Murchison
Phil,
sear,
penny
Thompson
and
Paul
camping
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
so
moved
moved
by
Hugh
seconded
by
Tommy
any
comments
or
questions.
A
J
A
Well
then,
let's
move
up
that
date.
Instead
of
May
1st,
you
can
have
that
done
by
April,
no
I'm
just
kidding
Thank
You,
Dennis,
Thank,
You
pointment
of
counselors
to
the
council
committees;
okay,
that's
in
here
somewhere
right
here,
first
committee,
we're
going
to
look
at
and
this
is
throw
your
name
on
the
on
the
fire
guys.
Here
we
go
the
highway,
Protection
Committee!
Anybody
you
want
to
serve
on
that
raise
Nicole.
K
J
A
A
D
A
A
A
K
A
J
J
I
J
C
N
D
A
A
G
M
A
A
J
A
A
A
M
A
A
A
Teach
him
to
miss
a
meeting,
yeah
well.
Okay,
item
number,
eight
new
business
and
adoption
of
ordinance
and
resolutions
and
here's
the
magic
1/8,
a
discussion
of
possible
action
regarding
the
2020
EMS
service
contracts
with
Caswell
corner
limestone
new
season,
new
Sweden
Paris
Stockholm
wait:
Washburn
West,
Mullan
woodland
and
Madawaska
Lake
Township
I
want
to
just
make
a
quick
comment
if
I
may
on.
A
M
A
We
have
just
one
self
got
on
the
council
a
couple
years
ago:
Doug
just
got
on
you.
He
got
on
Tommy
last
year,
Nicole
relatively
only
three
years
and
I.
Consider
it
a
blessing,
Jody
and
I.
Consider
it
a
blessing
that
we've
had
a
council
that
has
come
together
and
decided
to
look
at
this
problem
so
easy
to
take
problems
and
ignore
them
and
hope
that
they
go
away
this
one's
not
going
to
go
away
and
I
want
to
taya
from
the
numbers
I'm.
A
A
Wait
a
minute
I
got
a
start.
Excuse
me
on
March
11th,
the
mayor
acts
of
last
year.
The
mayor
asked
for
and
Council
received,
actual
revenue
and
expense
figures
for
the
different
fund
balances
of
the
city
on
march
19th,
councillor
Hugh,
acts
for
and
received
fire
and
ambulance
actual
revenue
and
expense
figures
for
the
years
2004
through
2012.
On
march
19th.
The
mayor
asked
for
and
received
firing
ambulance
contracts
with
the
surrounding
communities.
A
A
A
A
Dennis
I
gave
an
historical
how
we
got
here.
Would
you
please
show
the
presentation
of
those
numbers
over
the
last
year?
The
council
has
acts
four,
and
you
were
nice
enough
to
give
to
us
and
the
format
and
what
you
placed
it
in
this
is
a
thing
in
motion.
We're
still
working
on
it.
J
They
are
the
same
information
I
know.
It
was
mentioned
earlier
that
the
city
should
be
out
communicating
with
the
other
towns
and
sharing
information.
We
have
been
doing
that
we've
held
we
held
at
least
three
meetings.
Chief
Susi
is
actually
out
tonight
at
another
towns
meeting
and
all
woodlands.
Having
a
meeting
tomorrow,
night
and
they've
invited
several
towns
to
attend,
and
I
will
be
there
with
the
chief
to
that
one
limestone
is
having
a
meeting
Wednesday
night
and
there's
other
meetings
being
held
the
week
after
this
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
everybody
understands
the
information.
J
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
understanding
out
there
and
I
generally,
what
we're
finding
is
people
recognize
and
the
town's
recognize
this
probably
should
have
been
happening
a
long
time
ago.
They
generally
said
that
even
tonight
it
was
basically
said
if
this
had
started
a
while
back
and
we
were
ramped
up
for
a
period
of
time.
That
would
have
been
easier
to
swallow
and
and
that
being
what
it
is,
it's
we
are
where
we
are,
and
so
just
to
give
some
background
into
the
city.
J
Obviously
we
have
our
EMS
service
that
covers
our
city
boundaries
and
for
several
years
now
we've
been
providing
ambulance
services
to
corner
woodland.
They
Sweden
Lake
Township
West
Berlin
Parham
Stockholm.
Last
year
we
we
had
the
rumblings
of
crown
pulling
out
of
communities
and
weighed
in
Washburn,
approached
caribou
and
pres
to
split
their
cities,
and
so
in
2019
we
took
on
part
of
weight
in
Washburn.
We've
been
approached
this
year
by
Caswell
and
they
would
like
us
to
start
running
out
there
and.
M
J
Have
about
35
runs
on
average
a
year
over
the
last
three
years,
and
so
we
as
a
as
an
ambulance
service.
We
do
have
a
large
reach
right
now,
when
we
look
at
the
the
cost
or
I
shouldn't
say
before
we
get
into
the
cost.
Some
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
the
the
population
in
this
area,
the
dark
red
is
Caribous
population
and
the
other
towns
that
have
been
receiving
service
are
above
that,
but
you
can
see
him
back
in
the
2000
census.
J
All
of
the
service
area
that
was
under
contract
at
the
time
was
just
under
12,000
people
and
there's
been
a
steady
decline
ever
since
then,
when
in
2017.
According
to
those
estimates,
we
were
almost
a
thousand
people
less
than
the
2000
census
in
2018
we
started
the
discussions
with
Washburn
and
Wade,
and
you
can
see
when
we
took
them
under
under
our
wing.
J
It
brought
us
up
to
about
where
we
were
in
2000
as
far
as
the
total
population
being
served
by
the
ambulance
department
over
that
same
time
frame
what
you're
looking
at
here
as
a
chart
of
the
calls
the
EMS
calls
and
the
runs
that
we
did
for
the
service.
So
in
2000
we
were
a
little
around
1,600
calls
a
year.
We
peaked
in
2003
at
around
2400
calls
and
there's
been
a
gradual
trend
upward
since
that
timeframe.
J
Ironically
again,
the
population
for
the
area
is
coming
down,
but
the
calls
for
service
are
going
up.
We
know
we
have
an
aging
population,
there's
more
calls
and
again,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
provide
the
service?
Knowing
that?
Yes,
the
general
trend
is
the
population.
Is
it's
coming
down,
but
overall
costs
are
also
increasing.
J
If
I
might
quickly
address
the
comment
about
why
Presque
Isle
has
a
budget,
that's
a
million
dollars
less
than
ours.
Part
of
that
is
where
the
numbers
are
in
their
budget.
They
have
their
health.
Insurance
is
not
in
there
fire
and
EMS
department.
It's
a
separate
line.
Their
capital
facilities
is
a
separate
line.
A
lot
of
it
is
where
in
the
budget
or
the
numbers
at
and
I've
had
that
same
conversation
with
city
manager
Martin
over
there,
and
he
we
recognize
it's.
J
When
we
look
at
the
the
council
adopted
budget
for
2020,
we
have
an
our
budget,
one
fund
fund
31,
which
includes
fire
and
ambulance.
What
we
went
through
the
exercise
if
we
were
to
break
them
out
and
looking
at
looking
at
them
separately
as
much
as
we
could,
what
would
be
the
costs?
The
fire
costs
would
be
about
four
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand
dollars
and
the
ambulance
cost
a
little
over
two
point:
two
million
dollars,
so
our
combined
operation
and
these
our
operation
and
capital
costs
and
benefits
fully
burdened
costs
in
these
numbers.
J
So
we're
got
almost
2.7
million
dollars
for
both
fire
and
ambulance
service,
the
communities
that
are
utilizing
those
services.
We
only
have
four
towns
that
are
using
the
fire
service
right
now:
okay,
New
Sweden,
Connor
and
woodland,
and
quite
a
few
more
that
are
utilizing.
The
EMS
service,
caribou
New,
Sweden
corner
param,
half
of
wade
all
of
west
midland
township
sixteen
are
for
is
the
Madawaska
lake
community.
We
have
half
of
Washburn
and
in
the
town
of
woodland.
J
When
you
look
at
the
populations
being
served,
the
fire
population
is
just
under
ten
thousand
people
and
I'll
I'll.
Add
here
that
this
same
presentation
was
given
to
the
town's
earlier
I've
gone
back,
I've
double-checked,
all
of
these
numbers
and
these
ones
are
slightly
higher
in
population
than
the
ones
were
presented
earlier,
but
you'll
see
that
as
a
matter
of
a
factoring
element,
it
doesn't
change
very
much
in
the
total
analysis.
J
Ems
you
have
eleven
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
three
people-
and
these
are
based
on
the
2017
census
estimates.
We
will
have
a
new
census
conducted
this
year
and
well
they'll
be
going
around
knocking
on
people's
doors
and
asking
people
to
fill
out
surveys
again.
I
guess
just
a
quick
plug
for
make
sure
that
you're
making
it
for
filling
out
those
surveys
and
getting
your
name
on
the
count.
That's
a
lot
of
times
what
some
of
these
funding
hinges
upon
when
you
look
at
the
cost,
so
just
for
the
fire
department.
J
The
issue
that
we
have
is
really
the
revenues
and
the
system
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
not
that
the
city
has
in
place,
but
the
environment
that
we
have
to
work
within
to
get
revenues
in
ambulance
service.
For
instance,
when
you
have
somebody
that
has
a
private
insurance
like
an
anthem,
BlueCross
BlueShield,
if
we
make
a
run
for
that
patient
and
we
build
their
insurance
generally,
we
get
close
to
a
hundred
percent
of
what
we've
asked
for
or
what
we've
built
for.
J
So
we
don't
ask
people
before
we
load
them
into
the
ambulance
which
insurance
do
you
have,
so
we
can
provide
you
80%
of
the
service
we
make
the
run
regardless,
but
when
the
service
is
done
and
we
send
out
the
bills,
we
only
get
80%
of,
what's
being
billed
for
those
that
have
state
insurance,
we're
only
getting
40%
of
the
Medicaid
payment,
so
even
less
reimbursement
than
what
we've
been
getting.
There
are
a
handful
of
people
that
they
don't
have
insurance
and
they
self
pay.
J
When
you
look
at
the
scenario
of
state,
only
reimburses
us
so
much
and
the
federal
only
reimburses
is
so
much.
The
hope
is
that
we're
treating
more
private
insurance
patients
because
we're
able
to
get
more
revenue
the
reality
that
we
have
with
the
demographics.
The
community
characteristics
that
we
have
is
most
people
are
on
federal
insurance
or
state
insurance
and,
as
one
citizen
told
me
one
day
as
they
heard
the
siren
going
down,
the
street
I
hope.
J
That's
not
the
ambulance,
because
if
it
is
real,
oozing
money,
that's
most
likely
the
case
to
help
illustrate
that
in
2014
we
talk
about
a
payer
mix,
we
ran
over
2,100
calls.
60%
of
those
patients
were
on
the
federal
Medicaid,
10%
Ron
main
care
20%
had
private
insurance
and
10%
were
on
self
pay.
After
all,
the
bills
went
out
in
a
this
is
hypothetical.
These
are
not
actual
revenues
for
that
time
frame,
but
just
based
on
the
reimbursement
rates.
J
If
every
run
was
built
a
hundred
dollars,
we
would
have
been
reimbursed
72
out
of
the
hundred
dollars.
So
there's
the
gap
in
2018
we
had
a
shift
and
that
now
we
have
forty
percent
of
the
patients
were
on
the
federal
programs,
thirty
percent
on
the
state,
only
ten
percent
private
and
now
20
percent
on
the
self
pay.
J
We
had
more
calls
in
2018,
but
we
ended
up
with
less
revenue
per
call
because
of
the
different
payer
mix
that
we
had
where
we
were
getting
almost
$54
per
hundred
dollars
billed
in
2018
in
2019,
our
city
staff,
particularly
chief
suceed,
big
Kudo
to
him
and
the
and
the
state
of
Maine
chiefs
Association.
They
worked
with
the
legislature
to
try
to
get
the
state
to
pass
a
law
that
would
increase
the
reimbursement
rate.
The
law
was
passed
and
indicated
that
it
would
begin
reimbursing
the
same
amount
that
the
federal
reimbursement
rate
would
be.
J
Unfortunately,
the
implementation
rule
that
was
put
into
a
place
this
year.
It's
not
a
hundred
percent
match
to
the
federal
rate
for
caribou
they're,
allowing
us
to
bill
and
be
reimbursed
at
what
they
call
the
urban
bangor
rate,
and
so
rather
than
getting
an
80
percent
reimbursement
at
the
federal
level.
J
So
when
you
look
at
the
revenues-
and
these
are
based
on
historic
trends
and
current
payer
mix-
that
we're
working
with
the
fire
department
makes
very
little
money
most
of
the
revenues
that
we
receive
come
from.
Administrative
processes
like
fire
permits
or
private
fires
or
coming
in
paying
some
fees.
And
when
you
look
at
adding
the
revenues
to
the
budgeted
expenses,
we're
trying
to
match
or
make
up
four
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
dollars.
M
J
If
you
only
look
at
that
year
alone,
you'd
be
looking
at
one
hundred
six
dollars
per
person,
but
when
you
take
into
account
the
need
to
plan
for
other
capital
reserves
and
future
expenses
you're
closer
to
one
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars
per
person
for
both
of
those
services.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea.
This
year
alone,
we
have
almost
a
quarter
million
dollars
of
expense
at
the
fire
station.
Dealing
with
the
new
roof
and
structural
upgrades
that
are
necessary
over
the
next
five
years
will
be
remounting
two
ambulances
rather
than
buying
new
ones.
J
It's
a
cost
savings
to
the
operations,
but
it
still
is
going
to
be
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
expense,
and
so
$125
per
person
is
really
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
and
has
been
proposed
to
the
other
towns.
If
you
want
fire
and
EMS
service,
the
cost
would
be
a
hundred
and
twenty-five
dollars
per
person.
J
Historically,
where
we've
been
our
fire
contracts
were
not
based
on
a
per
person
amount.
New
Sweden
by
a
contract
was
paying
about
thirty
five
thousand
dollars,
and
so
their
cost
per
person
was
about
sixty
dollars.
Connor
was
paying
almost
thirty
thousand
dollars
at
a
cost
of
roughly
seventy
dollars
per
person
and
woodland
was
paying
sixty
four
thousand
dollars
at
roughly
sixty
two
dollars
per
person
again
using
the
2017
numbers.
Caribous
cost
for
again.
J
So,
as
we
have
been
meeting
with
the
communities
we've
approached
them,
we've
indicated
to
them
that
there's
three
options
that
we
can
see
right
now
that
we
look
at
one
would
be
that
they
don't
have
a
contract
for
service
with
caribou,
in
which
case
there
would
be
no
annual
fees.
Yeah
if
I
call
is
sent
to
us
or
sent
to
dispatch
dispatch,
would
not
have
us
as
the
first
response,
but
they
would
call
around
and
they
would
find
out
it
where's
the
closest
ambulance
and
can
they
respond?
J
If
caribou
is
there,
we
have
the
crews
available,
we
would
likely
still
roll,
but
we're
not
going
to
leave
the
contracted
communities
nor
caribou
unprotected,
and
so
there
could
be
limited
paging
in
of
staff
to
make
the
runs,
or
there
may
be
stacking
of
calls
historically
I'm,
not
historically
about
over
the
past
few
years.
We
have
limited
our
stacking
of
calls
so
that
we
could
get
out
as
quickly
as
possible.
We
may
not
be
able
to
continue
to
to
have
that
operational
aspect.
J
We
may
have
to
start
stacking
calls
already
and
last
week
it
was
sent
out
in
the
good
to
nose
to
the
council
on
the
citizens.
We've
already
made
some
adjustments
in
how
we
operate
the
ambulance
service
with
callbacks.
Now
there
will
be
some
initial
evaluation
of
patients
and
not
an
automatic
call
in
from
the
service
so
that
we
can
reduce
some
of
our
costs
better.
J
J
The
town
would
be
receiving
a
$500
bill
for
any
run
that
we
make
out
to
their
community
just
as
a
flat
rate,
it's
adopted
by
the
council
into
our
fee
schedule
as
a
standard
operational
rate.
The
second
option
that
we
would
have
is
that
we
we
continue
with
a
contract
with
the
communities
and
the
EMS
service
would
be
$100
per
person
annually.
There
would
be
no
additional
fee
for
the
runs
out
to
the
communities.
J
The
caribou
service
would
continue
to
charge
the
patients
and
their
insurance
for
the
services
in
the
hopes
to
recoup
as
much
as
we
can
from
them.
$100
again
is
established.
Just
to
try
to
make
up
that
that
deficit
and
what
would
be
receiving
caribou
because
we're
under
contract,
then
with
those
communities
we
would
have
obligation
to
respond
and
therefore
would
need
to
work
the
house.
Accordingly,
some
towns
would,
or
they
may
be,
able
to
continue
having
fire
and
EMS
service
with
the
city
for
those
communities.
M
J
J
J
The
town
that
would
be
impacted
the
most
as
far
as
the
change
would
be
woodland
because
they
have
the
higher
population
in
the
region.
Next
to
us
and
limestone
based
on
their
call
volume,
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
call
volume
and
so
potentially,
if
they
said
just,
we
won't
have
a
contract
Billis.
When
you
come,
they
may
be
looking
at
$40,000
a
year
for
EMS
service
under
contract
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
if
we
have
EMS
and
fire
130
thousand
dollars.
J
So
it's
it
is
an
impact,
and
we
recognize
that-
and
it's
I
appreciate
the
council's
comments
on
that
and
the
historical
review
that
may
argon,
provided
it's
a
situation
that
it's
not
unique
to
Caribou
because
of
the
reimbursement
situation
we
deal
with
the
federal
and
state
level
and
the
demographics
that
we
have
in
the
region.
It
is
as
as
mayor
Garner's
mentioned,
it's
a
losing
situation
for
everybody
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
maintain
the
service
as
best
as
possible?
So
maybe
that's
that's.
A
A
With
proper
notification
to
other
communities,
that
was
not
an
option
for
this
year.
We're
gonna
do
something,
but
somehow
crown
decided
that
this
was
a
no
winner
deal
and
they
got
out
of
it
and
I
think
they
gave
a
year's
notice
to
their
towns.
I
think
proper
notice
would
have
to
be
given.
I
am
NOT,
saying
that
we
would
do
it
immediately.
M
D
I
like
to
add
that
maybe
we
should
inform
our
friends
and
neighbors
that
the
price
per
capita
that
we're
discussing
right
now
doesn't
necessarily
meet
what
the
caribou
taxpayers
per
capita
burden
is
and
surely
by
the
following
year.
We
would
all
be
paying
the
same
and
I
would
put
my
compassion
had
on
an
eye
to
feel
for
this
big
increase,
listen,
you're,
all
friends
and
neighbors
of
mine
and
I
think
the
world
of
all
my
neighbors.
D
D
So
I
bear
some
of
the
responsibility
here
as
to
why
this,
even
though
I
wasn't
recently
on
the
council,
was
a
red
flag
back
then
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
So
I
think
that
it
should
be
a
clear
understanding
from
this
point
forward
that
if
it's
a
hundred
dollars
this
year,
it
could
be
our
end
game.
Is
that
we're
all
paying
the
same?
We're
gonna
have
to
otherwise
myself
in
this
one
seat.
I
cannot
ask
the
caribou
taxpayers
to
subsidize
another
community
for
ambulance
runs
I.
Just
can't
do
it.
Thank.
A
We're
gonna
go
into
executive
session
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
we're
going
to
discuss
the
points
that
you,
sir
brought
up,
and
you,
sir,
both
on
and
John
what
you
brought
up.
We're
gonna
bring
up
some
of
these
points
and
look
at
our
options
that
we've
passed
out
and
the
time
frame
that
we
did
it
in
I.
A
D
J
This
isn't
related
to
that.
This
is
a
records
request,
so
they
the
the
executive
session
honestly,
would,
in
the
past,
we've
looked
at
from
a
contractual
standpoint
and
looking
at
the
economics
of
the
situation
not
only
from
but
it's
the
use
of
the
city's
resources
properties
and
the
council
be
able
to
take
the
opportunity
to
discuss
an
executive
session
negotiation
strategies
other
things
and
how
you
want
to
handle
this.
That's.
A
M
K
J
G
G
A
A
A
J
J
J
If
you
would
saw
that
all
the
waters
been
drained
out
of
it
and
we
can
turn
we
can
not
only
turn
the
the
propane
off,
but
now
we
can
turn
all
the
water
off
and
make
sure
that
it's
still
there
for
somebody
to
purchase
as
I
understand
the
caribou
utilities.
District
has
a
similar
amount
of
seventy
thousand
dollars
of
water
usage
is
owed
on
the
property.
J
The
city
has
a
an
agreement
with
the
utilities
district
that
whenever
we
sell
a
tax
acquired
property
that
we
would
try
to
sell
that
property
such
that
the
city
and
the
utilities
district
would
be
made
whole
with
any
outstanding
obligations,
and
so
based
on
that.
We're
recommending
that
the
city
put
this
property
out
to
bid
with
a
minimum
bid
of
150
thousand
dollars,
which
would
cover
the
city's
obligations
as
well
as
provide
additional
funds
to
help
offset
the
seventy
thousand
dollars
for
the
si
UD.
J
It's
proposed
that
we
we
put
it
out
to
bid
immediately
and
that
we
receive
bids
by
January
3.
Yes,
we
would
have
it
back
to
you
as
a
council
on
the
first
meeting
in
February
for
consideration
of
the
bids.
We
are
still
in
a
time
frame
according
to
our
own
policies,
in
which
the
previous
owner
has
an
opportunity
to
redeem
the
property
they
have
until
the
end
of
this
month.
To
do
that,
verbal
indications
between
myself
and
the
property
owner
are
that
they're
not
going
to
do
that,
and
so
that's.
J
D
J
We
when
we
walked
into
the
diesel
plant
before
Christmas,
there
were
several
pipes
that
had
frozen
up
and
the
concern
was
if
we
let
it
continue
to
be
that
way,
that
not
only
the
pipes
but
the
engines
themselves
would
freeze
up
and
break,
and
there
would
be
next
to
no
redeemable
value
there,
and
so
we've
heated
it
up
enough
to
file
out
the
pipes
and
get
it
drained.
That
being
done,
we'll
turn
off
the
heat,
we'll
turn
off
the
water
and
we'll.
Then
it's
it
until
this
gets
resolved
is.
D
D
A
A
J
Last
year,
the
council
entered
into
a
letter
of
intent
with
this
company.
It's
the
least
late,
or
the
lease
agreement
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
today
is
and
I
will
treat
this
as
a
first
read,
but
this
is
with
sinner
gen
solar,
LLC
they're
out
of
Maryland,
based
on
the
environmental
policies
that
are
being
implemented.
The
the
indication
is
that
there
we
have
been
approached
by
many
companies
looking
to
come
in
and
take
advantage
of
some
of
the
solar
tax
breaks
that
are
being
provided
and
mean.
J
This
is
proposed
that
they
would
take
their
letter
of
intent
in
order
to
receive
the
tax
benefits
or
the
tax
breaks
to
do
some
of
the
studies
they
needed
more
than
the
letter
of
intent.
They
needed
this
option
for
lease
of
the
property.
The
option
basically
states
that
they
will
work
through
their
study
of
the
ground
and,
if
it's
going
to
meet
their
needs,
they
will
execute
this
lease
without
the
option
in
place.
J
J
The
lease
of
the
property
would
be
for
five
hundred
dollars
per
acre
and
annually
for
a
period
of
20
years,
and
they
would
also
upon
execution
of
this
lease
option,
make
an
initial
payment
of
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
to
the
city.
Within
five
days
of
the
have
the
option
being
approved.
They
would
take
the
next
12
months
analyze
the
property
do
what
they
need
to.
They
recognize
it.
J
It
is
an
old
landfill
and
they
would
not
be
able
to
use
their
standard
penetrating
solar
systems,
and-
and
so
they
know,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
costly
project
for
them.
But
they
would
look
at
the
next
twelve
months.
They
would
do
the
study
on
it
and
they'd
figure
out
what
they'd
be
able
to
do
and
if
it
would
work
the
$2,500
downpayment,
if
you
would
or
the
option
fee
is
non-refundable.
That
would
be
the
city's
regardless
of
the
decision
after
the
12
months
or
within
the
12-month
time
frame.
A
O
Good
question:
thank
you
very
much
for
your
question.
Until
this
year,
2020.
Yes,
we
we
have
one
solar
array
right
now
in
Caribou
and
the
owner
of
that
solar
array
was
billed
for
business,
personal
property
for
the
energy
he
was
generating,
he
was
valued
using
the
income
approach,
which
is
what
Maine
Revenue
Service
wanted
me
to
use
for
an
approach
to
value
that
property.
O
Because
of
the
lobbying
efforts
of
the
solar
energy
companies,
they
were
successful
in
2019
to
have
a
new
tax
exemption,
which
is
going
to
start
in
2020
for
all
of
these
arrays
that
are
smaller
than
anything
that
we
would
have
here,
Burleigh
in
Maine.
It
would
have
I,
don't
even
know
where
the
closest
one
would
be
that
would
not
be
exempt
for
size.
Anything
we'd
have
is
going
to
now
be
exempt.
O
Now
we
as
an
Assessor,
we
haven't,
received
all
the
details
on
that,
yet
they
were
supposed
to
get
those
in
December
and
in
December
we
had
a
few
paragraphs
stating
that
their
intent
is
for
us.
The
owner
of
the
array
will
make
application
to
the
city
for
exemption
with
a
form
yet
to
be
determined
at
that
time.
The
state
will,
let
us
know
what
methodology
they
want
us
to
use.
O
The
last
meeting
that
I
went
to
on
this
in
September
as
part
of
a
we
had
a
quite
a
few
different
topics,
but
one
of
them
came
up,
but
again
they
were
still
in
the
process
of
determining
what
they
were
going
to
do.
They're
actually
using
the
they
say,
they're
going
to
use
the
methodology
that
I
developed
for
caribou,
because
caribou
was
actually
the
first
one
that
had
to
be
taxed
every
the
rest
of
them
that
had
been
around
the
state
were
not
taxed
because
they
were
mean
is
simply
owned.
O
A
non-profit
owned
make
you
back
when
I
had
to
do.
Caribous
all
eyes
were
on
me
to
decide
what
methodology
was
going
to
be
used.
The
indications
in
September
was
that
they're
using
the
same
tool
that
I
had
always
used
in
Caribou,
so
we
value
the
asset
that
would
depreciate
every
year.
We
turn
it.
We
you're
assessing
Department
here
in
other
places
in
the
state,
we'll
turn
that
into
Maine
revenue.
O
I
assume
this
is
going
to
be
on
our
MVR,
the
municipal
evaluation
return,
that
is
where
we
submit
to
the
state
all
other
types
of
property
that
are
exempt
and
for
which
the
city
receives
a
reimbursement
like
homestead
veterans,
Betty.
All
of
that,
of
course,
that
means
the
state
will
audit
us
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
things
their
way.
O
It
is
my
understanding
from
the
few
paragraphs
we've
received
already
that
the
owners
of
the
asset
will
not
have
to
make
application
every
year
that
will
be
up
to
the
assessing
department
in
each
municipality
and
main
revenue
in
the
unorganized
territory
to
go
out
to
make
sure
that
that
is
still
performing
that
asset
so
up
until
2019.
Yes,
it
was
valued
as
business
personal
property
going
forward
in
2020
it's
going
to
be
exempt.
We
will
still
have
to
value
the
asset
statutorily.
O
Just
as
a
side
note,
if
I
can
editorialize
with
my
answer,
it
is
good
that
they
are
treating
everything
the
same
statewide,
though
what
happened
our
neighbor
and
a
neighboring
community?
They
because
they
don't
have
full
time
assessing
staff,
they
weren't
picking
up
assets
in
their
community
that
were
solar,
because
it
was
too
hard
to
do
that.
So,
basically,
the
owners
of
that
asset
were
being
charged.
O
So
when
we
have
neighbors
and
I've
gotten
very
animated
with
the
state
on
this,
when
they're,
when
their
effective
tax
rate
is
zero
and
ours
is
twenty
four
point,
fifty
five
that
puts
it
as
a
set
a
disadvantage
in
a
lot
of
ways.
Even
Connor,
we
lost
a
solar
asset
to
Connor
because
being
in
the
unorganized,
their
tax
rate
is
a
third
of
what
ours
is
in
Caribou.
So
that's
my
editorializing
on
my
answer.
D
D
J
Item
that
was
brought
up
by
public
works
director
was
that
we
are
required
to
mow
the
grass
on
that
every
year
and
if
we
put
solar
equipment
on
it,
that's
another
thing
we
want
to
look
at
is
they'll
need
to
be
doing
the
mowing,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
our
equipment
in
there
anymore
to
do
that
so
with
what
you've
brought
up
and
the
Moline
wood.
This
is
not
ready
for
adoption.
J
D
Past
case
was
all
intense
purposes
that
group
owned
the
property.
We
just
hadn't
signed
paperwork.
All
parties
knew
who
owned
it.
They
were
behind
and
getting
started
until
they
struck
a
tank
and
then
it
was
thrown
in
the
taxpayers
lap
to
clean
it
up
and
I.
Just
I
really
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
again.
A
J
A
A
J
We're
looking
at
are
there
other
projects
within
these
areas
that
you,
as
a
council,
want
to
add
to
the
list
that
we
need
to
be
making
sure
we
focus
on
this
year.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
have
the
council
go
through
the
lists
of
these
projects,
and
then
you
give
us
your
top.
You
know,
for
instance,
Public
Safety.
Those
are
the
four
that
we
can
see
from
the
staff
side
where
they
need
to
need
to
be
focusing
on
this
year,
but
give
us
your
your
ranking.
J
I
I
J
M
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
any
other
any
else,
all
night
Dennis
anything
on
that
one.
That's
it.
Okay,
number,
nine
reports
and
discussion
by
mayor
and
council
members.
The
mayor
would
like
to
have
a
discussion
with
Paul
camping,
Paul,
Blake
committee
I've
run
this
by
several
citizens
in
Caribou
and
one
of
the
common
questions
I'm
getting
is.
A
N
A
D
Two
things
one
I'd
like
to
bring
up
the
television
debacle
that
we've
been
trying
to
deal
with
and
see
if
we
can
get
this
up
on
the
table
and
get
it
taken
care
of
through
our
discussions
in
the
in
the
past,
we
talked
about
a
couple
different
options:
have
we
been
able
to
reach
out
to
the
anybody?
Yet?
Yes,.
M
J
D
Try
to
address
it.
My
second
topic
I'd
like
to
bring
up
to
the
table
for
discussion
and
thought
for
maybe
a
future
date.
We
could.
We
could
bring
it
to
a
vote
penny.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
and
what
I'm
about
to
state
about
taxation
on
personal
property,
that
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
is
forgiven.
You
don't
pay
any
personal
property
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
good
discussion.
Hopefully
a
vote
in
favor
of
the
businesses
to
get
a
thousand
dollar
credit
prior
to
their
personal
property
taxes
being
levied
against
them.
D
D
O
Never
had
to
speak
so
much
in
a
meeting
so
Lee.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
think
what
councilor
morale
is
referring
to
is.
It
has
always
been
the
practice
as
long
as
I've
lived
that
lived
here
that
I've
worked
here.
The
board
of
Assessors
set
a
policy
that
no
new
personal
property
account
would
be
created
if
the
taxable
value
was
less
than
a
thousand
dollars.
That
was
the
policy.
We
do
have
some
personal
property
accounts
that
may
be
started
over
a
thousand,
but
again
with
depreciation.
O
So
it's
when
you're
near
talking
about
like
a
new
policy
like
that
my
mind
is
clicking
like
how
how
that
conflicts
with
what
were
charged
to
do,
which
is
to,
as
you
know,
to
value
all
of
this
personal
property
and
we're.
Actually,
you
may
have
read
it
and
you're
good
to
know
we're
actually
undertaking
something
new
with
business
personal
property
this
year,
that
maybe
more
people
will
be
giving
a
bill
not
less
and.
O
M
D
I
O
D
So
most
businesses
that
are
paying
a
fair
amount
of
taxation
I
just
think
that
it
only
fair.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
forgive
a
thousand
say:
I've
won
to
open
up
an
office.
I
had
eight
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
or
thatthis
'it's
an
I'm
not
going
to
get
taxed
on
that
because
of
$1,000
and
I'll
call
it
rule.
But
whatever
then
we
should
afford
that
to
the
businesses
who
do
pay
and
pay
dearly
and
within
the
community
right.
O
O
M
M
O
Video
some
of
what
you're
talking
about
with
with
desks
just
as
an
example
that
you
bring
up,
and
maybe
everyone's
hearing
way
more
about
assessing
tonight
than
you
want
to,
but
a
lot
of
times
what
we
have.
What
we
do
is
we'll
send
a
list
and
says:
okay,
whatever
you
have
for
business
personal
property,
when
did
you
buy
it?
What
did
it
cost
and
then
that
original
cost
is
depreciated
down
to
a
base
of
30%,
which
would
be
the
value
in
use?
O
Now,
when
you
get
material
that
is
and
hands
like
you're
talking
to,
we
also
have
a
lot
of
people,
and
this
is
not
an
exaggeration.
They
go
to
the
dump
and
they
like
oh
I've,
taken
my
trash,
but
look
at
this
desk
I
can
use
that
I
can
I
can
put
that
in
my
business
we
have
legitimately
a
lot
of
people
that
they'll
say
that
that
came
from
the
dump
and
my.
O
He's
heard
me,
and
but
that's
you
know,
necessity
dictates
that
here,
because
everyone
is
really
trying
hard
to
make
their
pennies
go
as
far
as
they
can.
So
we
do
have
that,
and
it
is
sometimes
an
issue.
Even
if
someone
has
bought
a
very
expensive
desk
or
was
given
a
very
expensive
desk
in
that
original
cost.
Are
they
getting
more
value
from
that
than
someone
who
got
their
desk
out
of
the
dump?
O
Those
are
philosophical
questions
and
we
have
to
have
a
methodology
and
stick
with
it
and
original
cost
appreciated
to
abase
things
that
are
given
to
you.
We
use
a
sound
value
based
on
what
other
people
are
paying
for
their
desks
that
maybe
had
to
pay
for
the
desk.
So
everyone
isn't
saying:
I
got
this
desk
out
of
the
dump
and
I'm
like.
D
O
O
O
K
O
K
J
D
A
J
Councillors,
I
included
in
your
packet
a
summary
of
current
projects
that
were
were
bird-dogging
just
so
that
everybody
is
aware
we
do
have
a
new
business
in
town.
Mr.
Dana
Cassady
opened
up
his
trampoline
park
in
the
in
the
caribou
shopping
center.
It
opened
up
just
before
the
first
of
the
year
and
I've
had
communications
with
Christina
we'll
be
doing
a
ribbon-cutting
there,
a
day
uncertain
still,
but
will
will
let
the
council
know
about
that.
J
J
But
it's
something
that
I'll
have
to
circle
back
with
with
the
owner
there
and
have
some
discussions
with
them
on
how
they
want
to
handle
that
tomorrow,
the
state
Economic
Development
Office,
is
coming
up
to
the
northern
Aroostook
region.
They'll
be
meeting
within
NDC
tomorrow
morning
at
eight
o'clock
to
talk
about
the
economic
projects
in
the
area
in
the
afternoon,
they'll
be
taking
a
tour
of
the
poor,
very
facility
and
I'll
be
following
along
with
them
on
that
too.
J
To
talk
about
some
things
that
we're
looking
at
that,
maybe
the
state
can
help
us
out
with
say
the
blight
cleanup,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
be
having
our
first
meeting
tomorrow.
We
do
the
home
on
Liberty
Street
is
down
and
we're
waiting
for
the
springtime
to
revegetate
that
site.
We
have
five
other
homes
that
are
on
the
chopping
block
as
far
as
getting
them
taken
down.
J
Birdseye
cleanup
is
on
hold
until
the
snow
is
gone
and
other
work
is
just
kind
of
ongoing
with
the
hilltop
and
we're
getting
ready
to
pick
up
the
title
13
as
we
start
getting
the
EMS
contracts
and
all
these
other
meetings
off
the
plate.
But
we
know
that
the
blight
this
I
would
say
that
the
Planning
Board
meeting
that
was
held
last
week.
J
The
Planning
Board
members
are
also
very
anxious
to
look
at
this
blight
issue
and
incorporate
some
of
that
and
as
new
goals
into
the
general
plan,
and
we've
also
invited
them
to
attend
the
blight
meeting
tomorrow.
So
they
can
be
then,
in
at
the
ground
floor
on
on
what
this
committee
is
able
to
to
put
together
and
start
working
on
things,
60
access
highway,
I
do
have
some
information.
J
The
rest
of
this
month,
union
negotiations
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
police
officer
union
on
one
of
their
terms
and
public
works
negotiations
have
stalled,
and
indication
is
that
we
may
be
going
to
mediation
on
that
one,
so
we're
waiting
to
get
a
formal
declaration
for
them
on
that.
The
fire
ems
structural
study-
we
had
a
kickoff
meeting
last
week
on
that
yeah
we
met
with
Jim
Murchison
with
Sewell
engineering
and
had
a
good
discussion.
I
appreciated
the
the
counselors
that
were
there
and
participated
in
the
discussion
right
now.
J
The
indication
is
that
they'll
put
together
some
options
that
were
discussed
and
bring
that
back
to
us
with
some
some
real
rough
cost
estimates
and
basic
strings
that
might
be
attached
to
that,
and
the
design
will
take
place
this
spring.
Ideally
we'll
have
it
out
to
bid
the
first
part
of
June,
with
construction
on
the
repairs,
beginning
in
July
and
hopefully
having
everything
buttoned
up
by
the
end
of
summer
or
the
first
part
of
fall.
J
Cable
franchise
agreement
reached
back
out
to
them
again
make
mention
in
here
that
we've
talked
about
the
PEG
channel
and
getting
that
look
at
their
indication
is
again
that
5%
maximum
that
we
can
charge
them
for
their
services
there.
One
of
the
emails
I
got
back,
was
a
little
cryptic
in
that
the
indication
was
the
PEG
channel.
J
They
may
not
count
that
in
5%
cost
because
they
simply
put
the
cost
of
the
pec
channel
on
the
residents
of
the
city,
and
so
it's
not
really
a
cost
to
them
to
provide
the
peg
channel,
but
it
is
obviously
a
cost
to
our
residents
and
they
will
I've
asked
them
to
provide
numbers
to
me
on
the
cost
of
the
peg
channel
so
that
we
can
know
what
that
is,
as
well
as
the
cost.
The
current
franchise
agreement
includes
that
they
will
provide
cable
services
to
multiple
public
buildings,
including
the
school
district.
J
The
multiple
buildings
in
the
school
district
and
the
city
buildings
and
those
cost
for
providing
that
service
would
count
against
that.
5%
they've
said
that
they
will
get
me
a
cost,
so
we
can
know
what
what
may
be
deducted
from
our
future
franchise
fees
that
we've
been
getting
in
order
to
have
those
services
provided.
I.
J
A
J
J
Not
now
granted
with
these
franchise
agreements,
the
city-
we
are
the
negotiators
at
the
table
and
we
have
we
hold
the
cards
as
far
as
their
use
of
the
right-of-way
and
part
of
this.
Like
earlier,
we
talked
about
how,
with
the
city,
has
an
agreement
with
si
UD
to
help
reduce
costs
or
to
make
that
quasi
government
entity
whole.
It's
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
also
help
reduce
some
of
the
costs
to
the
taxpayers
on
behalf
of
the
school
district.
J
M
A
A
A
O
J
I'm
sorry
I:
do
the
council
asked
that
we
set
up
a
ribbon-cutting
with
the
county
ag
and
christina
has
reached
out
to
them
we're
looking
at
the
the
fourteenth
or
fifteenth
of
this
week?
It
was
just
a
council
for
discussion
what
which
day's
work
best
for
you,
because
County
AG
said
they
were
available.