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B
Sharon
you
don't
know
how
close
I
can
to
hitting
someone
the
other
night
I'm
hearing
this
a
lot
and
now,
of
course,
I'm
noticing
it
even
more.
Now
after
this
accident,
I
mean
it's,
it's
scary,
I
don't
even
want
to
drive
at
night
I.
You
know
it's
going
to
take
me
a
little
while
now,
but
I
feel
that
something
should
be
done.
C
B
D
The
letter,
C
discussion
and
possible
action
regarding
resolution
212
to
2018,
supporting
the
construction
of
a
new
public
safety
facility
for
the
police,
fire
and
EMS
Department
of
Carroll
you're,
going
to
be
voting
on
that
tonight
to
take
it
out
and
do
action
on
it.
I
would
like
to
see
it
held
off
until
the
new
council
is
seated
if
possible,
which
is
only
three
weeks
away.
D
Maybe
let
them
decide
how
the
both
because
they're
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
more
involved
in
the
two
of
us
going
out
so
I'd
like
to
have
you
hold
that
off
if
it's
possible
and
make
the
boat
in
three
weeks
from
now,
I
talked
with
their
manager
today
and
he
kind
of
supported
it
with
me.
So
I'd
like
to.
A
E
We
have
a
problem.
I
know
that
the
Postal
Service
the
office
here
in
town
has
had
issues
with
pigeons.
One
or
two
of
our
banks
have
had
issues
with
pigeons
and
they
are
a
destructive
bird
and
they're,
a
Dirty
Bird,
the
as
you
know,
they
just
make
a
mess
and
unfortunately,
they
perch
at
both
entrances
of
our
church,
building
front
and
rear.
So
people
are
tracking
it's
coming
into
our
facility.
E
A
A
E
A
E
E
Have
had
conversation
with
city
manager
last
week
and
he
brought
some
very
good
points
to
that
discussion.
There's
people
who,
like
to
feed
the
ducks
at
Collins
pond,
there's
people
who
like
to
feed
hummingbirds,
so
you
know
I,
don't
know
how
you're
gonna
address
one
species
of
bird,
but
this
is
this
is
a
problem.
Bird
and
I
don't
know.
A
A
E
F
G
G
H
About
the
Lighting's
I
wanted
to
mention
that
a
couple
meetings
ago
we
talked
worth
looking
at
these
new
lights
and
there's
a
question
of
how
many
we
can
buy,
how
many
we
wanna
buy
and
there
was
a
not
sure
I,
don't
want
to
think
mr.
Marcum
said
about
buying
them
all
at
once
and
get
in
this
town.
Let's
back
up
it's
in
the
discussion
stage
and
any
government
takes
a
long
time
to
move.
F
H
B
J
K
With
grants
that
might
be
talked
about
there,
I
know,
we've
been
in
this
process
of
looking
at
the
LED
lights
now
since
before
I
came
here,
early
2017
and
something
that
not
only
Carib
was
looking
at,
but
many
of
the
surrounding
communities
as
well.
All
looking
to
co-op
cooperatively
go
into
purchasing
streetlights
and
changing
the
LED
lights.
L
L
K
A
C
K
Aaron
Counsell,
the
city's
charter
allows
us
to
make
minor
budget
adjustments
within
the
budget,
meaning
for
not
adding
to
it.
For
instance,
the
city
manager
can
authorize
department
heads
to
move
money
around
within
their
departments,
but
in
the
case
of
moving
money
from
one
department
to
another,
or
in
the
case
of
what's
before
you
tonight,
a
cleanup
of
accounts.
The
City
Council
has
to
approve
that
by
resolution,
and
so
the
resolution
that's
before
you
tonight
will
help
clean
up
three
accounts,
one
well,
if
two
of
them
are
accounts
in
the
Recreation
Department.
K
One
program
that
we
haven't
been
utilizing
for
many
years
and
the
second
was
for
playground
equipment.
We
believe
that
there
was
a
fundraiser
at
one
point
to
purchase
some
playground
equipment
in
the
early
90s
and
they
spent
that
fund.
That
was
over
spent
a
little
bit,
but
we
haven't
used
that
account
size
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
clean
up
the
100
or.
F
K
Or
so
dollars
were
there
and
the
other
one
is
$15,000.
That
was
roughly,
that
was
overspent
when
we
repaired
the
Grimes
Mill
Road
a
couple
years
ago
there
was
over
expenditures
on
the
engineering
and
the
construction
of
that
project,
and
so
the
hope
is
that
we
can
clean
up
these
accounts
this
year,
they've
been
the
recreation
accounts
have
been
in
that
situation
now
for
many
years,
we're
just
hoping
to
get
them
all
cleaned
up.
K
Council
earlier
this
year
asked
that
a
Citizens
Advisory
Committee
be
formed
and
we
held
the
first
meeting
on
March
13th.
The
direction
from
the
council
was
don't
preclude
anybody
from
being
involved.
If
they
wanted
to
go
in
and
sit
and
be
participate,
they
could
do
that.
The
first
meeting
there
were
13
original
citizens.
What
I
mean
by
citizens
in
this
case
is
that
they
didn't
have
ties
directly
to
employment
with
the
city,
a
city
department
or
a
city
function.
We
had
six
more
that
participated
over
the
course
of
the
meetings.
K
We
also
had
our
chief
building
official,
their
representation
from
our
planning
board.
We
had
elected
officials,
multiple
officials
came
on
different
times
and,
of
course,
the
fire
and
police
department
up
students
were
there
to
help
provide
some
additional
information
and
feedback.
We
met
five
times
since
March.
The
last
meeting
was
held
just
last
week
on
the
city's
website.
We've
posted
all
the
information
that
was
delivered
during
those
meetings
and
they
also
included
for
broadcast
of
social
media
through
Facebook
and
those
are
still
on
the
city's
Facebook
page.
You
can
view
those
meetings.
K
There
was
one
that
we
just
weren't
able
to
get
things
working
the
right
way,
so
it
wasn't
broadcast
but
overall,
a
very
good
participation.
There
was
a
lot
of
back-and-forth
dialogue
with
the
committee.
You
had
those
that
I
think
came
into
the
room
initially
that
were
just
adamantly
on
each
side
opposed
or
in
favor
and
I.
K
Think
that
enabled
a
lot
of
good
dialogue
as
to
the
pros
and
cons
and
the
issues
that
were
able
to
be
vetted
through
the
process
and
the
committee
when
they
first
met
some
of
the
first
things
they
looked
at
were
the
facilities
themselves.
They
were
all
encouraged
to
go
through
a
tour
of
both
the
fire
station
and
the
police
station
and
look
at
the
situation
there.
We
looked
at
with
both
departments.
What
are
they?
What
are?
The
services
are
currently
providing,
for
instance,
with
the
fire
and
the
ambulance
department.
K
They
provide
services
not
only
to
Caribou
but
to
many
of
the
surrounding
communities
and
even
as,
as
you
know,
as
a
council
just
recently,
we
added
contracts
for
ambulance
service
into
the
communities
of
Washburn
and
Wade
for
next
year,
and
so
again,
looking
at
the
services
are
being
provided.
What
are
the
trends
that
are
happening
with
the
fire
rescue
calls
you
can
see
since
1997?
The
trend
is
is
upward.
We
had
200
like
it
was
around.
K
240
calls
a
couple
years
ago:
kind
of
peaking
out
a
couple
years
in
a
row
2013
and
in
16
ambulance
call
volumes
not
significantly
higher.
We
had
a
peak
in
roughly
2003
at
2004
55
calls
you
know
we're
climbing
up
toward
that
again.
You
know
we
are
expecting
that
the
2018
call
volume
will
be
higher
than
2017,
which
is
consistent
with
the
trend
that
we're
seeing.
Oh
and,
of
course,
they
looked
at
the
space
needs
for
the
equipment
again,
not
only
in
the
fire
department,
but
in
the
police
department.
K
Here,
you're,
looking
at
pictures
that
I
took
inside
the
ambulance
base
to
that
and
illustrating
the
the
space
constraints
that
they
have
and
being
able
to
park
to
ambulance
tandem
inside
those
bays.
There's
about
a
18
inch
gap,
if
that
between
those
two
ambulances
and
about
nine
inches
gap
between
the
front
of
the
ambulance
and
the
garage
door.
And
they
have
bumpers
on
the
wall
so
that
they
can
back
the
ambulance
right
up
and
put
it
right
up
against
the
wall
in
order
to
to
get
those
to
fit.
K
So
just
some
of
the
space
constraints
that
they
looked
at,
as
well
as
the
the
future
personnel
ad,
a
requirements,
equipment
and
space
requirements
that
are
being
considered
in
the
industry
and,
as
I
said
looking
also
at
the
police
department
and
their
calls
volume
that
they're.
Looking
at
the
number
of
complaints
that
continue
to
trend
upward
and
also
other
activities
that
are
have
been
dropping
since
2006.
But
we
also
have
a
lot
of
things
happening
with
the
police
department
as
far
as
state
mandated
programs
or
requirements,
drug
issues,
drug
testing
and
other
things.
K
And,
of
course,
the
space
needs
for
all.
The
gear
that
they
have
so
the
committee
after
going
through
walking
through
the
facilities
and
looking
at
some
of
these
issues
was,
was
asked
for
the
police
department.
Do
they
need
better
facilities
and
the
large
majority
said
yes,
they
need
better
facilities.
Do
they
need
more
space
again?
Yes,
majority
of
the
committee
said:
yes,
they
need
more
space.
They
strongly
agreed
or
agreed
with
that.
Do
they
need
a
new
police
station.
Again
most
of
the
committee
strongly
agreed
or
agreed.
K
There
were
some
that
were
neutral
on
that
one.
When
we
asked
the
same
questions
about
the
fire
station,
it's
much
more
mixed.
You
have
as
far
as
do
they
need
better
facilities.
You
had
eleven
that
agreed
or
strongly
agreed,
but
you
also
had
six
that
disagreed
or
strongly
disagreed.
Do
they
need
more
space?
There
was
a
little
more
consensus
that,
yes,
they
probably
needed
more
space
and
then
do
they
need
new
facilities.
Again,
it
was
spread
out.
You
have
a
that
or
ten
that
were
strongly
agreeing
to
that
seven
that
were
disagreeing
or
strongly
disagree.
K
So
you
can
see
at
the
very
start
of
this
process.
You
have
there,
there
generally
was
a
yes.
The
police
department
definitely
needs
something.
The
fire
department
is
kind
of
on
the
fence
as
far
as
yes
or
no
and
then
we
started
looking
at
well.
If,
if
there
is,
if
there's
going
to
be
any
kind
of
new
facility,
either
for
a
standalone
police
station
or
a
combined
fire
or
even
just
a
fire
station,
where
would
something
like
that
work?
And
so
the
committee
made
a
list
of
sites
that
they
wanted
to
investigate.
K
We
looked
at
seven.
Initially,
we
added
an
eighth
one
later
on
which
I'll
get
to,
but
we
looked
at.
Is
there
property
around
the
hospital
that
could
something
could
get
built
on
what
about
land
around
the
Public
Works
yard?
What
about
sixty
acts
at
highway
that
the
city
already
owns?
The
understanding
was
that
the
pines
health
center
was
looking
to
move
out
of
their
building.
Could
that
be
used
for
something,
of
course,
looking
at
the
current
fire,
an
ems
site?
K
Was
there
enough
ground
on
that
site
to
do
something,
and
we
also
looked
at
the
the
armory
or
the
armory,
with
the
reserve
buildings
over
on
Seneca
and
York?
Could
we
take
that
property
and
do
something
with
it
and,
of
course,
the
Birdseye
property
that
the
city
was
saying
with
the
tax
acquire
and
so
out
of
all
of
these,
we
recognized
that
there
were
options
on
each
of
those
properties.
We
could
may
the
police
as
is
and
maintain
the
fire,
as
is
on
the
existing
property.
Could
we
remodel
the
police
station?
K
Where
is
and
maintain
the
fire
department
where
it's
at
what?
If
we
built
a
new
police
station
on
a
new
location
but
left
the
fire
station
where
it's
at?
Could
we
build
a
new
police
station
at
a
new
location
and
just
expand
the
fire
station
on
its
property?
What
about
expanding
and
remodeling
the
fire
station
to
include
both
departments?
K
And
then
the
last
one
that
we
looked
at
was
what,
if
we
built
a
new
Public
Safety
facility
on
a
new
location
for
both
departments,
we
a
combined
facility
and
went
through
a
process
of
looking
at
direct
impacts
that
could
happen
to
the
community
existing
facilities,
indirect
impacts,
strings
or
limitations
from
other
government
agencies.
Maybe
based
on
past
funding
that
we
had
or
existing
lease
agreements
that
we
have
was
there
a
potential
of
the
new
site
becoming
a
landmark
for
the
city
or
even
just
the
site
constraints.
K
As
we
looked
at
that
the
the
developable
acreage,
the
zoning,
the
access,
the
utilities
that
were
there,
were
there?
Environmental
cleanup
issues.
What
about
response
time,
differences
between
the
sites
or
even
access
from
the
priority
areas
such
as
the
high
schools,
the
or
the
all
of
the
schools,
really
the
Civic
Center
the
CBD
area
and
then,
of
course,
financial
estimates.
K
What
would
be
the
project
costs
for
building
those
facilities
on
the
different
sites
and
another
one
we
looked
at
was
just
the
useful
life
of
whatever
gets
built
going
through
an
exercise
of
all
of
those
criteria
for
all
those
properties.
There
was
a
I
believe,
a
recognition
that
side
by
side
each
property
has
its
strengths
and
its
weaknesses,
and
it
really
depended
upon
the
building
that
was
going
to
get
constructed.
K
We
asked
the
committee
to
in
a
sense,
go
through
and
wait
or
create
a
weighting
factor
on
all
of
these
characteristics
and
which
ones
were
the
most
important
things
to
be
looking
at
with
the
sights.
The
three
highest
factors
were
the
highest.
One
was
the
sight
characteristics
themselves
in
that?
Did
it
have
the
access
to
zoning
the
ability
to
to
build
things
on
it
and
the
second
highest
one,
the
financial
estimate,
and
what
really
was
going
to
be
the
cost
to
the
city
and
of
the
citizens
and
the
third
important
one
was
the
useful
life?
K
Was
it
something
that
was
going
to
carry
the
city
many
years
into
the
future
or
was
it
more
of
a
band-aid?
And
so
taking
those
three
as
the
the
main
factors
for
consideration
in
the
site's,
we
were
able
to
weight
the
properties
and,
in
the
end,
the
committee
determined
that
they
did
not
want
to
continue
looking
at
the
National
Guard
site,
nor
the
pines
property,
nor
the
Public
Works
site,
based
on
those
site
conditions
or
the
constraints
that
were
there.
K
And
then
they
just
the
committee
said
they
wanted
to
continue
looking
at
a
combined
facility
onto
a
new
site
and
also
looking
at
the
option
of
just
building
a
new
police
station,
but
expanding
the
fire
station
on
the
existing
site.
And
so,
as
we
I
guess
the
to
bring
up
that.
The
committee
also
said
right
now
we're
they
were
only
based
on
that.
They
were
going
to
be
looking
at
the
bird's
eye
sight
and
a
new
site
somewhere,
and
the
committee
wanted
to
hold
out
for
a
third
site
as
a
possibility.
K
K
So
port
city
put
together
again
some
designs.
This
is
showing
the
combined
facility
on
the
bird's
eye
sight,
the
Fort,
Fairfield,
Road
and
Highway.
One
is
being
there
they're,
showing
this
somewhere
close
to
the
intersection,
the
also
looking
at
what?
If
we
just
built
the
police
station
and
added
on
to
it
in
the
future,
when
the
fire
department
needs
even
more
space,
they
looked
at.
K
F
K
As
far
as
cost
estimates
that
port
city
was
able
to
pull
together.
For
us,
the
options
ranged
from
three
million
dollars
for
a
standalone
slab
on
grade
police
station
to
a
10-point
roughly
ten
point:
nine
million
dollars
for
a
new
Police
Department
as
the
addition
to
the
fire
department
and
the
committee.
After
discussing
the
options,
there
was
a
vote
and
there
was
a
majority
vote
that
the
city
not
consider
option
C,
D
or
E,
but
they
focus
on
the
bird's
eye
sight,
doing
a
new
police
station
with
expandability
or
a
combined
facility
on
Birdseye.
K
So
just
a
quick
clarification
I
know
the
committee
asked
for
this,
as
well
with
the
the
scenario
of
building
both
or
building
a
one
facility
for
both
departments.
The
idea
is
that
you
would
have
two
storeys
the
bottom
floor
would
basically
be
a
walkout
garage
or
walkout
basement
garage
with
access
visible
from
highway
1,
and
there
would
be
some
shared
Bay's
some
facilities
with
that.
K
The
upper
story
from
the
Fort
Fairfield
side
would
look
like
the
ground
floor
because
of
that
walkout
garage,
but
the
department's
would
have
shared
space
in
between
them
for
meeting
space
training
space
and
in
some
restrooms
locker.
Space
I
should
take
that
back,
not
locker
space
because
of
the
equipment's
and
the
needs
that
they
have.
They
would
have
to
keep
those
separate,
but.
K
Just
reiterating
what
what
I've
just
said,
they're,
the
the
second
option
would
be
that
again,
you
have
a
standalone
police
station,
but
it
would
not
be
slab
on
grade.
It
would
be
similar
to
the
first
and
then
it
would
be
two
stories.
The
ground
for
the
bottom
floor
would
again
be
daylight,
garage
space
that
could
be
used
for
cold
storage
or
vehicle
storage
parking
and
in
the
future.
F
K
Sure
it
was
clear
what
those
two
options
represented:
the
the
assumptions
in
the
financial
analysis.
We
assume
that
the
the
budget
and
the
expenses
for
2018
were
the
baseline
moving
forward,
that,
as
we
looked
at
costs
for
the
police
department,
because
they're
inside
City
Hall,
a
third
of
all
of
city
halls,
cost
would
be
attributed
to
them,
plus
their
own
cost
would
be
attached
to
it.
The
options
we
looked
at
were
again
the
status
quo.
K
At
that
point,
we
went
through
and
looked
at
the
the
cost
for
things
like
that
have
already
been
built
into
the
budget
or
the
capital
improvement
plans.
As
far
as
the
roofs
on
the
building's
door
openers
plumbing,
they
both
have
recording
systems
right
now
that
they
have
to
have
licensed.
They
both
have
separate
radios
and
antennas.
K
Now,
in
a
combined
facilities,
they
could
share
those
general
maintenance
costs,
of
course,
heating
system,
space
renovation
costs
under
the
scenario
of
not
building
anything
they're,
still
going
to
need
to
renovate
their
space
to
accommodate
what
they
have
and
what
they
need.
Of
course,
you
have
the
utilities
cost
and
solely
of
water
sewer.
These
numbers
were
provided
more
from
port
city
based
on
the
recent
construction
that
they
have
just
seen
and
we're
a
part
of
down
state.
We
did
identify
that
their
power
cost.
K
In
the
end,
we
just
we
looked
at
all
on
em
if
we
were
to
maintain
try
to
keep
them
in
their
current
facilities.
As
long
as
we
could
again
under
the
assumptions
that
were
given
you'd
be
looking
at
over
1.7
million
dollars,
a
standalone
police
station
would
be
close
to
2.1
million
dollars
with
the
operation
maintenance.
A
combined
facility
you'd
be
looking
at
1.1
million
for
all
m.
K
They
we
have
1.1
million
dollars
which
are
available
for
a
fire
station
which
we
can
put
into
a
combined
facility,
but
we
can't
put
into
a
standalone
police
station.
We
also
know
that
there
are
grant
funds
that
are
available
for
fire
stations
and
we've
it's
been
hard
to
find
anything
as
far
as
grants
for
police
stations,
and
so
we've
assumed
that
we
could
get
at
least
3
million
in
grants
for
the
fire
station.
We
know
that
some
of
the
grants
that
we
can
go
after
would
even
be
more
than
that,
but
we
think
we're
conservative.
K
We
could
get
3
million
the
the
debt
on
those
two
loans
are
the
principal
I'm.
Sorry,
after
you
have
the
TIF
and
the
grant
money
so
that
the
principal
you'd
be
looking
at
a
6.4
on
the
combined
facility,
but
still
five
million
for
the
standalone
police.
The
annual
debt
payments
on
those
gonna
be
three
hundred
sixty
three
thousand
versus
four
hundred
and
sixty
five
thousand
dollars
between
those
two.
K
That
has
been
assessed
at
$800,000,
assuming
that
it
stays
at
that
value
just
for
the
building
and
the
lands
and
assuming
that
the
mill
rate
stays
the
same
you'd
be
looking
at
about
$95,000
over
five
years
now
we
know
that
those
things
fluctuate
but
as
far
as
creating
the
estimate,
that
was
some
of
the
assumptions
that
we
used.
So
your
annual
difference
really
doesn't
change
very
much,
even
with
the
revenue
you'd
still
be
looking
at
about
three
hundred,
sixteen
thousand
of
additional
funds
needed
over
the
using
the
current
facilities.
K
So,
in
order
to
make
up
that
three
hundred
and
sixteen
thousand
dollars
again
in
a
five-year
interval,
you'd
be
looking
at
after
they
increase
the
mill
rate,
or
this
is
again
assuming
that
we
don't
have
any
other
properties
that
come
online.
There's
no
additional
property
value
that
increases
in
the
city.
Everything
stays
the
same,
but
you'd
be
looking
at.
You
need
to
raise
the
mill
rate
so
that
you'd
be
having
additional
seventy
seven
dollars
a
year,
100
each
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
home
value.
K
K
Cost
you'd
still
you'd
be
about
2.4
million
under
trying
to
stay
in
the
current
facilities
around
year.
7
and
you'd
have
to
build
something
new,
so
you'd
still
would
have
additional
cost,
with
City
Hall
the
new
site
and
the
fire
and
EMS
for
estimated
3.2
million
dollars
going
through
the
same
scenario
as
far
as
the
debt.
Your
your
current
facilities.
Yes,
you
could
stay
in
those
up
until
year,
7
again
the
estimate
and
then
you're.
Looking
at
a
potential.
F
K
40%
increase
of
cost
of
construction
for
a
new
combined
facility
at
year,
7,
and
so
your
new
construction
cost
could
be
close
to
14,
almost
15
million
dollars
for
a
combined
facility.
At
that
point,
your
TIF
funds
could
be
applied
in
that
scenario
as
well
as
grant,
and
so
you're
assumed
principle
would
still
be
close
to
11
million
dollars.
After
that,
your
annual
debt
payments
would
be
seven
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars,
or
so
under
the
standalone
police.
K
Again
you
at
year,
seven
you're
doing
something
with
the
fire
department,
and
so
you
add
that
into
your
assumed.
You
include
that
into
future
debt,
so
you'd
be
looking
at
11.5
million
initial
construction
and
with
a
combined
facility,
you'd
again
still
be
looking
at
10.5
million
with
some
of
the
grants
and
other
monies
are
available
over
ten
years.
K
There
would
be
some
revenue
potential
in
all
three
scenarios
again
the
assumption
being
that
you're
able
to
relocate
the
fire
department
in
year,
seven
and
so
you'd
be
looking
at
the
same
option
or
same
scenario.
It
stays
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
value
and
keep
the
mill
rate
the
same,
and
so
roughly
sixty
thousand
dollars
in
taxable
value:
correct
facilities,
option
a
by
the
potential
of
one
hundred
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
over
ten
years
of
revenue.
K
And
so,
in
the
end,
you're,
looking
at
an
annual
difference
once
you
take
an
account,
the
potential
revenue
of
a
hundred
and
forty
four
thousand
dollars
each
year
for
ten
years
to
make
up
the
difference,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
you're,
basically
looking
at
still
trying
to
recover
that
and
looking
at
additional
$35
per
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
home
value
in
those
scenarios,
the
financing
options,
we
discussed
briefly,
of
course,
we're
going
to
try
to
go
after
every
single
grant
that
we
can.
If
the
council
directs
us
to
do
that,
the.
K
But
it's
only
going
to
cover
a
portion
of
the
cost.
The
city
would
have
an
option
of
going
out
to
a
general
obligation
bond
through
local
institutions.
If
you
wanted
to
do
that,
of
course,
the
voters
would
determine
that
we
also
could
go
out
getting
general
obligation
bonds
through
other
government
loan.
You
can
get
loans
through
USDA
as
well
as
Grant's.
You
can
through
state
funding
and
that
also
require
local
property
tax
increases
to
be
approved
by
the
voters.
K
The
most
recent
quote
that
we
had
through
USDA
was
5%
over
30
years,
slightly
better
terms
than
were
built
into
the
financial
analysis.
There's
also
the
potential
of
a
public-private
partnership
where
a
private
company
comes
in.
They
essentially
build
the
private
building
to
suit
our
needs
and
with
a
purchase
option.
You
know
we
lease
the
building
from
them.
They,
where
we
would
own
the
property.
They
also
would
be
leasing
the
property
from
us.
K
Maybe
it
would
have
to
you
know,
figure
out
how
that
all
works
in
the
contract,
but
essentially
we
would
be
leasing
the
building
from
them.
For
the
time
until
we
decide
to
own
the
building
outright,
the
council
could
raise
the
mill
rate
to
cover
that
cost
without
a
vote,
meaning
that
it
wouldn't
be
required
to
go
to
a
vote.
K
You
could
still
put
it
out
to
vote
if
you
wanted
to,
but
the
last
one
you
wouldn't
have
to
looking
at
all
that
the
majority
of
the
committee
voted
to
recommend
the
City
Council
approve
moving
forward
with
the
combined
facility
on
the
Birdseye
property
in
order
to
seek
the
grants
and
prepare
a
funding
package
for
the
voter
consideration
in
2019,
the
assumption
being
that
we
work
to
get
it
on
the
ballot
2019.
If
the
voters
approve
it
good
for
design
you'd
be
designing
through
the
winter
of
2019
between
20.
K
K
That's
the
that
was
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
last
week.
The
resolution
that's
on
your
agenda
tonight
does
not
approve
moving
forward
with
construction
of
a
new
public
safety
facility.
It
does,
though,
provide
the
weight
of
the
council
as
far
as
a
supporting
of
the
same
recommendation
from
the
Advisory
Committee
that
we'd
be
able
to
then
take
out
to
different
funding
partners
and
say
this
is
what
the
council,
along
wants
to
do,
would
like
to
do
and
here's
the
resolution
that
says
they're
behind
it.
K
A
I
K
We
haven't
put
it
out
to
the
market,
obviously,
but
going
through
this
process,
we
have
been
contacted
by
a
couple
of
companies
that
are
interested
in
it.
There's
been
no
discussion
as
far
as
specific
with
me
as
far
as
the
terms
of
sale
or
even
an
offer,
but
we
know
that
there
is
interest
in
the
facilities.
I
I
K
H
K
So
what
we'd
be
looking
at
is
not
only
can
they
engineer
it,
but
what
is
their
experience
with
public
safety
facilities?
Are
they
very
familiar
with
all
the
laws,
the
rules,
the
internal
spaces
that
would
be
associated
with
a
new
police
station
we'd
we'd
have
to
look
at
all
of
that
in
the
selection
process,
but
certainly
we
anticipate
that
it
would
go
out
to
a
bidding
process
and.
H
A
K
There
in
Council,
you
asked
us
to
meet
with
the
Juan
King
and
go
over
a
revised
scope
of
work
for
they're
gonna.
Do
the
design
for
the
construction
or
reconstruction
of
the
River
Road.
It's
been
in
your
packet
tonight
for
review
and
mr.
Shain
MacDougall's
here
tonight
to
address
any
questions
that
you
might
have
when
the
packet
was
put
together.
K
We
did
not
have
a
final
cost
estimate
from
them
for
all
of
that
work,
but
we
did
know
that
for
the
work
to
progress
at
all,
they
anticipate
need
to
go
out
and
do
some
additional
survey
work
and
that
was
estimated
between
six
and
eight
thousand
dollars.
I,
don't
maybe
mr.
MacDougal
can
give
us
an
update
as
far
as
the
pricing
and
and
what's
what's
happening,
that
way.
Yeah.
N
N
You
know
we
had
article
or
TAS
a
through
I
there's
a
couple:
those
that
we've
already
completed,
there's
also
a
couple
that
we
don't
necessarily
need
now
based
on
that
alternative.
So
you
know
we
can
pare
that
down
and
we
should
have
something
more
formal
at
the
next
council
meeting
in
January.
If
that's
the
case,
but
I
think
the
the
biggest
thing
is
before
then
we'd
like
to
get
out
there
before
we
get
to
much
more
snow
to
do
some
survey
work
to
really
define
that
slope.
A
N
This
is
to
give
better
definition
for
that
failed
slope,
not
necessary
the
whole
road,
but
that
failed
sloped
at
eight
hundred
to
a
thousand
feet.
When
we
did
our
survey
before
we
just
did
add
a
very
preliminary,
get
the
general
slope
of
the
lay
the
land
so
that
we
could
put
together
an
analysis
and
cost
estimates.
A
N
I
guess
for
our
scope
of
services
to
do
that.
No
I
guess
I
was
under
the
stand
that
that
was
just
gonna,
be
more
of
an
analysis
of
preliminary
analysis
of
those
failed.
N
And
I
think
conceptually
we
could
do
that
and
we
could
probably
get
that
to
you
know
fifty
seventy
percent,
the
the
problem
I
see
with
that
is
with
the
with
the
weather
conditions,
where
they
are
it's
hard
to
say:
okay,
that
ditches
failed
or
that
culverts
failed,
because
we
got
three
feet
of
snow
over
it,
whereas
the
initial
site
we've
already
seen
that
we've,
you
know
that
we've
seen
it
without
snow.
We
know
that
a
little
better
I
should
say
so.
G
K
A
N
Want
to
make
sure,
from
our
perspective
we
don't
say
yep.
We
have
another
thousand
feet
here.
Another
1,200
feet
here,
another
culvert
here
with
the
information
that
we
can
gather
at
this
point
in
time
now,
if
we
need
to
you
know,
come
spring
time
to
further
define
that
we
can
actually
do
that,
but
I
think
from
my
perspective,
I
think
we
can
give
some
overall
general
assumptions
on
some
of
those
other
areas
that
hey
yes,
this
thousand
feet
needs
to
be
fixed.
Here
are
some
recommendations,
but
I,
don't
think.
N
O
N
I
Whatever,
wherever
you
thought
of
my
name
for
each
one,
all
right,
mm-hmm
so
based
on
our
discussion
last
time,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if
we
decided.
Okay,
we're
gonna,
just
we're
gonna
pay
that
moving
forward.
What
if
we
get
to
next
spring
and
the
councilman
springs
it
well,
we
want
to
leave
so
they've
got
it
designed
they've
got
kind
of
a
shovel
ready
project.
I
K
Crystal
balls
there's
the
direction
the
council
had
was:
let's
move
forward
with
scenario
two,
which
was
to
move
the
road
as
much
as
we
could,
and
so
that
was
why
we
went
back,
and
that
was
shame
to
discuss
that
revised
skull.
You
know
if,
if
they
at
this
point
just
move
forward
with
the
survey
work,
then
that
at
least
you.
K
I
K
H
N
K
We
can
treat
this
more
as
informational
or,
if
you
want
to
you,
can
treat
as
an
action
item,
but
we
went
out.
We
did
talk
to
the
municipal
bond
bank
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
local
financial
institutions,
and
we
asked
them.
Could
they
give
us
some
some
numbers,
some
general
terms,
for
what
a
ten-year
bond
would
cost
on
a
1.4
million
dollar
note
and
the
only
one
that
gave
us
the
something
and
in
writing
so
speak
was
the
municipal
bond
bank
and
that
information
is
provided
in
your
packet.
K
The
the
other
financial
institutions
were
only
willing
to
give
us
a
verbal
over
the
phone.
They
first
wanted
to
see
a
lot
more
details
and
how
it
was
going
to
be
secured,
and
all
of
these
things
I
think
there's
no
bonding
they're
more
familiar
with
how
the
government
process
works.
Some
of
the
options
that
we
have
to
secure
those
bonds.
They,
let
me
jump
down
in
the
in
the
packet
to
that
information,
so
that
the
public
would
have
it.
A
K
So
the
municipal
bond
bank,
basically
what
they
would
lay
out,
is
and
again
we
we
assumed
one
point
four
million
dollars
since
that
was
the
assumption.
I
guess
it
was
that,
even
with
a
the
one
point
to
me,
an
option
that
you
would
you
said
you
wanted
to
look
into,
there's
always
going
to
be
cost
things
to
consider
and
going
with
one
point
four
gives
us
a
15
percent
buffer
on
that
one
point:
two
million
dollars
so
with
a
if
you
went
for
a
one
point:
four
million
dollar
bond
note
through
the
bond
Bank.
K
If
it
you've
executed
that
in
2019
the
way
they
would
have
it
set
up
as
you'd
only
pay
interest
in
2019,
you
wouldn't
pay
a
full
payment
of
principal
and
interest
until
2020,
and
so
the
payment
next
year
would
only
be
$18,000.
Now
keep
in
mind
the
budget.
That's
on
the
agenda
for
later
discussion.
It
assumes
that
we
make
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
payment
next
year,
the
and
then,
after
that,
you'd
have
payments
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
and
fifty
eight
thousand
dollars
a
year.
A
K
K
K
H
L
L
L
L
K
They
have
their
have
the
certificates,
but
they're
also
primarily
Assessors,
and
that's
that's
where
their
focus
has
been
and
there
hasn't
been
I
guess
you
might
say,
the
comfort
level
of
be
able
to
say.
Yes,
even
though
we
have
it,
it's
been
on
the
shelf
and
happened
to
dress
that
off
a
little
bit.
I
would
take
a
little
bit
more
than
just
having
mr.
Wentworth
work
with
them
on
the
commercial
inspections.
L
L
K
Guess
my
finally
concern
with
that
is
that
the
we
also
have
the
issue
of
we
have
a
full-time
Assessor,
that's
supposed
to
be
doing
the
assessing
of
the
city
and
focusing
on
the
quarterly
reviews
of
the
properties
and
pulling
them
off
of
that
responsibility,
even
with
the
other
stuff
that
they
have
it.
It
creates
where
we
run
into
the
situation
of
them,
not
going
to
do
all
of
the
assessment
that
they
need
to
do.
L
All
that
plus
housing,
so
now
we
got
three
people
in
one
form
or
another
that
capable
of
doing
inspections.
Okay,
so
I,
don't
think
that
that
argument
holds
water
with
me,
especially
you
know
so
I
just
saying
you
know:
why
do
we?
Why
do
we
have
people
on
staff
qualified
to
do
inspections
and
that's
all
I
understand
the
plumbing
and
I
understand
electricity
problem.
I
F
I
K
K
M
Related
not
related
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
the
right
place
but
I
know
on
the
sidewalk
thing
is
something
I've
talked
to
you
about
a
few
times
as
well
and
I
was
brought
up
today.
Is
that
something
that
the
budget
is
going
to
be
able
to
support
with
an
increase
no
and
things
of
that
nature,
for
the
safety
and
and
I'm,
not
just
talking
like
the
main
ways
I
brought
for
parents
for
the
funding
straight,
we
have
pizza,
have
to
go
on
it
to
go
to
school,
to
school.
K
You
you
did
bring
that
up
with
me.
My
my
conversational
they
had
with
mr.
roulette
was
that
past
counsels
he
didn't
say
how
far
past
had
basically
directed
him
to
not
pay
overtime
to
the
cruise
for
clearing
of
the
sidewalks
and
under
that
assumption,
if
the
crews
are
getting
to,
there
are
40
hours,
they'll,
be
in
the
trucks,
clearing
the
snow
off
the
roads,
but
he's
not
going
to
send
anybody
out
to
actually
clear
off
the
sidewalks
if
they're
already
getting
overtime.
M
Specifically,
I
can
tell
you
that
when
it
is
clear
that
does
only
clear
this
ferry
and
there's
a
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
that
is
not
clear
and
there's
a
lot
of
kids.
There
I
Drive
that
road
every
day-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
kids
and
I've,
seen
a
lot
of
negative
publicity
on
Facebook
and
other
things
I've
been
trying
to
you
know,
take
it
down
a
little.
But
you
know
people
are
concerned
about
their
kids,
especially
I.
A
L
O
H
Yeah
right
there
that's
one
time
money
was
coming
in
because
of
Presque
Isle
coming
joining
trucking
laughter
over
by
a
name
like
velocity
tells
me
not
to
use
one
time
money
for
operational
expenses.
We
want
to
take
one
time
money
and
apply
it
against
debt,
and
we've
had
discussions
on
that.
I
am
sure
that
if
you
want
to
take
one
time,
money
and
pay
for
a
project
I'm
go
for
that
to
think
about
the
project.
Well,
let's
just
say
to
help
fix
the
river
rule.
If
it's
so
impossible,
we
know
we
have
to
fix
it.
H
If
I
take
the
six
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars
out
under
my
philosophy,
we're
projecting
that
we're
gonna
spend,
give
or
take
approximately
$200,000
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
more
then,
what
we're
going
to
take
it
sounds
about
right.
I
know
we
have
unexpended,
you
call
of
applications.
H
H
A
K
That
would
be
in
your
capital
areas
as
far
as
what
you
want
to
spend
money
on
in
your
capital,
so
your
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
or
the
river
really
as
far
as
that
debt
payment
at
one
point,
four
million.
If
you
wanted
to
in
a
sense,
pay
down
that
ball
and
as
low
as
you
can
before,
you
went
into
debt.
K
That
could
be
a
one-time
expense
if
you
wanted
to
or
the
the
boiler
system
that
we
have,
we
still
have
roughly
seven
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
of
payments
left
on
the
blower
system,
and
so
right
now
we're
just
allocating
our
annual
payment
toward
that.
But
if
you
wanted
to
pay
all
that
down
as
much
as
possible
with
the
one-time
funds,
you
could
do
that
as
well.
H
C
L
L
B
K
H
H
H
It
is
a
marked
improvement
over
what
I
saw
last
year,
we're
not
using
what
you
know
it's
better.
Let's
just
put
that
so
it
shows
the
trend
in
America.
I
ran
for
City
Council
as
a
zero
based
budgeting
type
person
when
people
I
voted,
I
ran
for
City
Council,
not
because
I
believed
in
the
standard
way
of
doing
things
that
I
ran
because
I
wanted
to
do
it
in
a
different
format.
H
K
I
K
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
sit
down
and
go
through.
I've
got
a
different
spreadsheet
that
shows
the
fund
balances
with
the
anticipated
expenses
and
looking
out
long-term.
What
needs
to
happen
with
those
fund
balances,
it
verses,
the
expenses
and
the
allocations
over
those
years.
So
you'll
you'll
see
it's.
It's
going
to
Evan
flow,
a
little
bit
and
sometimes
you're
going
to
have
a
little
bit
left
in
those
reserves
at
the
end
of
the
year,
because
you're
looking
long-term
at
needing
to
have
additional
money.
K
Sure
which
side
of
the
table
were
citizen,
just
a
quick
update
for
the
the
council
I
received
notice
today
that
the
the
fire
department
has
changed
representation.
They
are
no
longer
with
the
Teamsters
Local
Union
number
340.
We
are
now
with
the
International
Association
of
firefighters,
so
I
anticipate
that
they
will
be
contacting
us
very
shortly
to
look
at
their
contract,
which
expires
December
31st
of
this
year.