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A
Oh,
thank
you
and
christine
and
dave
both
yes
as
well.
So
all
voted
yes
motion.
Carries
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
a
public
hearing
to
hear
comments
regarding
a
home
occupation
application
from
mr
joshua
smart,
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
at
5
35
on
february
11th,
so
to
start
off
so
mr
smart
joshua
are
you
there?
A
B
Sure,
as
I
gave
in
the
description
on
the
application
itself,
I
gave
a
brief
description
of
kind
of
what
the
business
focus
was
going
to
be.
Gunsmithing
was
going
to
be
the
primary
thing.
On
top
of
that,
I
was
planning
to
do
sales
also
of
firearms
as
well
as
ammunition.
Along
with
that,
that
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
a
the
quickest
summary
I
could
give
in
terms
of
what
it
would
entail.
A
Very
good,
very
good
application.
The
only
question
I
think
I
had
was:
do
you
plan
on
having
any
like
signage
or
lights
at
all,.
B
Yeah
canada
asked
me
about
that,
and
I
initially
am
not
planning
to
have
a
sign
up
initially
anyways.
It's
definitely
something
down
the
road
I
I
would
probably
definitely
plan
to
do.
I
just
I
wouldn't
know
the
exact
time
frame
at
this
point
depend
on
on.
You
know
how
much
business
comes
through
a
lot
of
it.
I
think
it's
going
to
go
word
of
mouth
people
who
you
know
you
know
that's
a
hobby.
I've
had
for
a
while.
I
think
it's
I
want
to
try
it
out
that
way.
B
A
Board:
okay,
ken:
were
there
any
public
input
on
this?
Yes,.
C
C
C
I
do
not
know
if
it's
a
bulletproof
practice
area
these
times,
weren't
during
deer
hunting
season,
I
don't
walk
outdoors
during
deer
hunting
seas,
mr
joshua's,
smart
home
home,
is
near
wooded
area
of
hardwood
creek
further
down
the
road
is
a
highly
used
all
season
its.
I
have
no
qualms
about
gun
repair.
My
major
concern
is:
could
the
granting
of
lead
to
gun
sales
and
or
a
firing
range
in
this
neighborhood
a
long
target
along
with
target
practicing
in
a
manner
that
is
dangerous?
I
hope
not.
C
A
A
Good,
so
that
was
the
that
was
all
the
public
comment
that
we
received
and
there's
nobody
else
online.
Currently
with
any
any
public
comments,
we've
got.
A
All
right
well
I'll
turn
to
I'll
turn
to
mr
smart,
then
so
are
you?
Are
you
planning
on
having
a
range
as
part
of
this
business.
B
No,
so
the
part
about
the
range
there,
certainly
it
would
be
no
public
range.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
look
to
do
that
would
be
helpful
to
the
business
would
be
the
ability
to
testify
or
something
after
it
were
repaired
or
a
demonstration
say
you
know
somebody
was
having
an
issue
if
they,
if
they
were
able
to
show
me
what.
D
B
Wrong
beyond
the
description
again,
it
would
be
in
my
presence,
always
in
my
presence.
If
that
would
never
go
past,
that
point
there
would
be
no
other,
no
other
range
or
shooting
other
than
for
that
reason.
B
Basically-
and
I
do
want
to
comment
something
else
as
far
as
the
gunshots-
there
are
several
people
on
that
road
who
target
practice.
I
mean
I
hear
gunshots
every
other
day
when
I
go
out,
it
could
be
any
time
of
the
day
from
early
morning
to
afternoon
to
even
into
the
evenings,
and
so
there
are
more
than
one
person
for
people
that
that
definitely
fire
guns
on
that
road.
I'm
surprised
she
didn't
reference
any
others,
but
it's
not
an
uncommon
thing,
especially
even
over
the
years.
B
I
could
even
go
back
as
far
as
you
know,
since
I've
been
there
just
wanted
to
make
mention
of
that
also
other
than
that,
though
there
any
other
yeah
any
other
questions
she
had.
What
was
the
other
part
yeah
the
alongside
the
range
traffic.
I
think
it
was
something
like
traffic
yeah.
B
This
would
be
running
no
different
than
any
other
business
on
that
road.
I
mean
there
are
what
two
or
three
other
businesses
on
that
road.
I
think
that
would
probably
drop
you
know
just
as
much,
if
not
more
traffic,
so
other
than
that.
I
guess
that's
what
I
would
comment
on
there
for
the
traffic
part.
B
A
lot
a
good
amount,
large
area,
there's
probably
again
out
in
front
of
the
garage
area,
there's
a
good
size
area
there
in
front
of
the
house,
there's
there's
more
and
then
there's
a
whole
mode
area
over
to
the
left
of
the
house.
If
you're
basically
get
lots
of
parking
there
for
people
so
yeah,
I
don't
don't
see
that
being
an
issue.
B
There
was
actually
a
diagram
too
on
on
the
application
that
I
included,
so
that
everybody
would
be
able
to
see
you
know
kind
of
that
area
and
the
size
of
it.
I
had
even
put
the
footage
from
the
road
how
far
and
kind
of
the
distances,
so
people
would
have
a
better
better
view
of
what
the
parking
looks
like,
but
definitely
lots
of
room
there.
I
could
even
reference
it
real,
quick,
just
pull
that
up.
B
B
F
B
So
that
would
be
the
case
like
I
had
mentioned
with
the
test
firing.
That
would
be
done
by
myself.
If
say,
I
had
to
install
a
you
know
a
new
site
on
a
handgun
or
a
rifle
or
anything
to
check,
say
the
point
of
impact.
That
would
be
something
that
I
would
do
personally
and
beyond
that
that
would
be
up
to
the
customer
to
adjust
on
their
own.
You
know
off
the
property
outside
of
anything
that
would
be
related
to
the
business
that
I
would.
A
A
So
I
think
I
heard
I
think
I
heard
you
say
there
would
be
test
firing
and
then
I
heard
you
say
there
would
not
be
test
firing.
Could
you
just
clarify
that
again.
B
Right
if
there
was
anything
that
I
needed
to
check
her
function
on
a
firearm
that
I
had
worked
on
it
would
it
would
be
done
by
myself
by
me
only
yeah
that
that
wouldn't
like,
I
think
he
was
asking
if
a
customer
would
be
able
to
try
guns
out.
You
know
at
that
point
I
was
saying
no
to
that.
Okay,.
G
Anybody
else,
just
the
thought
that
I
have
dan
for
mr
smart,
the
tourettes
have
large
pieces,
large
track
of
land
and
there's
a
few
places
to
have
a
nice
natural
berm,
I'm
wondering
in
the
future.
If
mr
smart
might
approach
the
land
owners
to
see
if
he
could
set
up
something
away
from
the
ogren
road
out
into
the
farmland
which
would
alleviate
some
concerns
that
the
lady
at.
A
G
E
A
B
B
B
B
B
We
look
at
the
diagram
here
right
where
you
see
the
well
there's
a
line,
it's
labeled
says
well
and
then
the
woods
pretty
much
straight
back
behind
the
house.
Almost
I'd
say
just
off
to
the
right
of
the
well
only
oh
20
feet,
maybe
to
the
right
of
the
well
30.
B
It
goes
back
remember,
I
think
it's
here
about
490
feet
from
the
road
I
want
to
say
so
it
might
have
been
a
little
over
300
yard
meters.
I
would
say
even
a
little
further
than
that,
if
you
start
from
the
wooded
area
behind
the
house.
B
B
Yeah
so
they're
they're,
showing
they're
showing
about
actually
it's
more
than
that
787
feet
back
from
the
road
meaning
back
into
the
woods.
So
there
was,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
tree
wise
behind
there
and
there
always
is
a
safe
backdrop.
If
I.
B
It's
it's
either
into
you
know
a
large
pile
of
wood,
that's
being
backed
by
other
materials
for
the
dirt
things
like
that
again,
the
bullet
there's
no
question
where
it's
gonna
be
stopping
I've,
never
taken
chances
there
at
all.
That's
not
something
that
I
you
know
again,
I'm
a
pretty
experienced
shooter
I've
done
it
a
long
time
and
that
safety
is
my
my
number
one
thing
in
terms
of
anything
to
do
with
that
stuff.
C
So
in
this
r3
shooting
sports
are
allowed
outside
the
urban
compact
area.
The
key
distance
is
from
the
from
the
houses,
and
that
would
be
more
regulation
by
staying.
B
B
Now
it
is
a
it
is
a
a
safe
area
out.
You
know
behind
where,
where
I've
ever,
you
know
done
any
test
fire
stuff
like
that,
like
I
said
that
the
backdrop
I've
never
taken
a
guess
on
that,
I
I
know
where
that
projectile
is
going
to
be
stopping
and
always
would
continue
that
that
way,.
A
J
I
have
a
question:
is
there
any
state,
certification
or
licensing
that
you
need
to
get
for
this
type
of
business?.
B
Yes,
there
is
the
main
thing
to
do
any
any
business
to
do
with
gunsmithing.
You
need
a
federal
firearms
license.
They
also
call
it
an
ffl
license,
so
that
would
be.
That
would
be
it.
That
would
be
the
answer
to
that
question.
B
No
sir,
I
I
have
not
had
military
training.
However,
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
I've
researched
and
learned,
it
may
be
bits
and
pieces
of
what
what
might
be
familiar
to
that
that
discipline.
Thank
you.
B
Currently,
I
am
working
on
the
application
for
that.
The
federal
people
actually
recommend
that
you
clear
the
business
proposal
through
the
town,
that's
going
to
be
being
done
in
and
then
just
to
avoid.
You
know
making
sure
that
everything's
okay
there
and
then
they
they
turn
you
back
to
completing
their
application
and
their
process
so,
and
it
is
a
very
thorough
process
and
in
terms
of
what
they
look
at
it
entails
a
background
check
fingerprinting.
B
They
actually
address
a
field
officer
to
come
out
to
your
place,
to
inspect
the
business,
inspect
the
property
inspect.
What
you're
going
to
be
doing
in
detail,
especially
to
do
with
gunsmithing
educating
you
about
the
laws
on
the
federal
level,
especially
in
terms
of
any
work
that
you
would
do
to
guns
to
differentiate
between.
You
know
gunsmithing
and
other
types
of
other
types
of
things
that
they
would
classify
it
as
so
they
are
very,
quite
thorough
in
in
what
they
show
you.
B
I
actually
had
just
spoken
with
a
couple
people
from
from
the
federal
agency
just
this
past
week
and
very
helpful
they
they're.
I
made
a
couple
good
connections
there.
I
think
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
be
really
good
at
getting
things
started
off
of
the
right
on
the
right
foot
here.
A
That
that
would
apply
to
both
the
the
gunsmithing
as
well
as
sales
or
other
two
different
categories
of
licenses.
B
A
And
this
is
the
plan,
review
criteria
and
everything
is
checked
off,
and
these
check
marks
were
made
by
mr
smart
coming
into
this,
and
all
we
need
to
do
is
just
go
through
and
just
confirm
that
everything
is
here
in
the
application
and
that
copy
of
the
deed
is
is
there
initially?
It
was
just
a
mortgage
that
we
got,
but
ken
had
sent
out
an
augmented
package
that
actually
included
all
the
mortgage
information
that
mr
smart
had
our
head
submitted.
A
A
The
only
thing
that
I
saw
that
was
missing
was
the
proposed
signage
and
exterior
lighting.
There
was
just
nothing
mentioned
about
that,
so
everything
else
I
think
I
saw
in
the
plan,
so
any
comments
from
the
board
members
on
the
application
information
here.
E
I
A
C
It's
17
of
the
application,
but
the
our
new
memo-
and
I
must
admit
that
that's
my
first
time
using
this,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
tool.
I
kind
of
boggled
it
a
little
bit
trying
to
get
things
out,
quick
and
trying
to
use
a
new
memo,
and-
and
so
I
I
did
fumble
a
bit
with
it-
and
I
apologize
for
that-
trying
to
to
cut
down
the
amount
of
paper
sent
out
and
ended
up
emailing
it
all
out
anyway.
So
that's
fine!
C
A
So,
on
page
six,
we
see
that
the
staff
has
reviewed
all
this
and
really
has
no
concerns
on
each
of
the
criteria.
A
And
this
this
this
is
helpful
ken.
By
the
way
to
to
have
this.
You
know
kind
of
upfront
that
review.
A
So
what
caught
my
eye
is
the
no
concerns
about
the
ada
compliance,
so
the
the
staff
comment
is
they
can
be
met
with
reasonable
accommodations?
What
does
that
mean?
Are
they
not
met
and
they
need
to
be
met,
and
is
that
something
we
need
to
put
in
as
a
as
a
condition
of
approval?
A
C
So
that
again,
if
you,
if
you
make
that
accommodation
and
make
sure
that
you
you
treat
everyone
equally,
that's.
A
So
the
home
occupation
shall
only
include
employee
residents
of
the
of
the
dwelling
unit.
We
have
no
information
to
the
contrary
that
it
will
only
be
mr
smart
as
the
sole
proprietor
of
this
business.
A
Does
the
board
wish
to
clarify
or
confirm
that
with
mr
smart
before
we
move
on.
A
A
A
A
And
that's
that
next
criteria-
fifty
percent
versus
a
hundred
percent-
and
I
think,
he's
well
within
that.
A
You
know
unless
it's
approved,
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
diagram
that
indicated
any
part
of
the
shop
would
be
on
anything
but
the
front
the
first
floor,
so
I
think
we're
good
there,
okay,
so
this
next
one,
you
know
we
might
have
to
really
consider
this,
because
we
have
had
public
input
on
the
potential
for
objectionable
noise,
and
so
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
whether
that's
going
to
create
a
nuisance
in
the
neighborhood.
E
C
It
really
would
be
a
sustained
noise
of
10
minutes
or
longer
and
from
I
believe,
it's
10
o'clock
in
the
evening
to
6
00
in
the
morning.
I
can
reach
out
and
get
better
numbers
for
that,
but
it's
that's.
The
general
effect
of
our
noise
ordinance.
K
So
if
there
was
any
testing
of
of,
if
josh
smart
had
done
anything
with
the
weapon
that
he
had
gunsmith
or
anything
like
that
he's
and
he's
testing
it,
that's
one
thing
compared
to
a
an
actual
decimal
level
over
a
certain
amount
of
time.
That's
a
that's
a
whole
different
thing.
Those
are
two
totally
separate,
separate
things.
A
K
A
A
K
K
A
Okay,
the
next
one
is
on
street
parking.
It's
been
stated,
there
will
be
no
on
street
parking,
there's
sufficient
parking
in
front
of
the
garage
and
the
yard
there
for
customers,
and
then
the
egress
and
ingress
standards
will
be
met
with
other
accommodation.
A
Any
comments
from
the
board
for
all
these
different
requirements
before
we
take
a
vote.
A
Moved
by
dave
seconded
by
drew
to
approve
the
home
occupation
application
from
mr
smart
for
his
gunsmithing
and
sales
business
will
take
a
roll
call.
Vote
vote.
Dave.
Yes,
frank!
Yes,
eric,
yes,
amanda
drew
yes
christine,
yes
and
dan.
L
A
C
Yes,
josh
well
make
sure
you
get
a
copy
of
the
assigned
application
and
that
application
will
be
here
to
be
signed
in
our
off
in
the
city
office.
So
if
you
can
show
up
and
sign
that
at
your
at.
A
Okay,
moving
on
so
we
have.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
new
business
revisions
to
the
site,
design
review
application
document.
So
I
I
hope
you
all
have
had
a
chance
to
review.
There's
a
little
bit
of
background
here
and
let
me
kind
of
give
you
an
introduction.
So,
in
order
to
get
more
familiar
with
the
chapter
13,
I
decided
to
dive
in
in
detail
for
specifically
the
site
design
review.
A
A
I
teamed
up
with
ken
and
dennis
and
we
ended
up
doing
a
pretty
complete
scrub
at
this
whole
process
and
as
part
of
that,
we
uncovered
some
things
that
maybe
we'd
want
to
revise
in
the
in
the
ordinance
itself,
and
we
also
identified
things
that
needed
to
be
changed
in
the
form
so
changes
to
the
chapter
13.
A
A
There
are
a
lot
of
different
things
in
this
form
that
were
maybe
incorrect,
maybe
not
too
clear,
and
so
we
went
through
and
there
were
a
lot
of
different
things
that
ended
up
getting
moved
around
or
changed
on
the
form.
On
top
of
that,
I
made
it
a
fillable
form.
So,
as
you
can
tell
now,
somebody
can
come
in
and
and
fill
this
out.
A
With
the
pdf
document
so
type,
all
this
information
in
you
know
select
their
tax
maps
and-
and
all
of
this,
I'm
assuming
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this,
and
the
other
thing
that
we
did
is
try
to
make
it
more
encompassing
so
that
both
the
ceo
and
the
planning
board
could
use
it
for
a
review
that
would
even
either
be
done
by
the
ceo
or
the
planning
board
and
so
down
at
the
bottom.
A
Then
you
have
a
place
for
either
the
ceo
or
the
planning
board
to
approve
things
and
the
proper
dates,
and
all
of
that
so
I
wanted
to
just
open
it
up
for
comments.
I
received
some
some
good
input
from
denise
on
this
and
from
dennis
and
ken
as
well.
A
A
Is
there
any
any
particular
thing
that
you
saw
here
that
you
had
a
question
about
or
didn't
make
sense
to
you?
A
C
So,
dan,
the
the
example
that's
in
the
information
packet
is
one
revision
to
go.
I
believe,
though,
the
only
difference
really
is
that
the
site
design
review
application
explanation
happens
now,
in
the
first
paragraph.
A
Yeah,
basically,
that
cleaned
it
up
a
little
bit.
I
also
made
some
some
minor
edits
in
the
in
the
wording,
and
I
added
and
the
planning
board
members
got
this.
Yesterday.
I
sent
this
out
to
everybody.
A
A
F
A
C
A
I
will
say,
denise
said,
submitted
a
couple
comments
on
just
editorial
things,
to
capitalize
this
and
change
that
word
or
whatever,
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
were
on
her
email
or
not,
but
I'll
forward
it
and
then,
and
then
I
had
going
through
one
last
time
today.
I
actually
had
a
couple
more
things:
mistakes
or
whatever
that
I
found
that
I
think
I
want
to
fix,
but
they're
very,
very,
very
minor.
A
A
A
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
offer
this
up
to
the
board
for
approval,
and
I
mean
we
can
do
that
tonight
or
we
can
go
through
another
revision
of
this
and
get
real
comfortable
with
it.
And
you
know
once
we
vote
to
adopt
it,
then
we
can
turn
to
the
staff
and
say
here:
let's,
let's
use
this
form
from
now
on.
A
A
What
is
the
feeling
of
the
board
in
adopting
this
form
tonight?
Do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
take
a
vote
on
it
tonight,
or
would
you
rather
defer
and
let
this
percolate
a
little
while
longer.
G
K
M
F
I
think
the
best
test
would
be
to
have
it
used,
so
I
I
would
think
we'd
approve
it
and
if
it
needs
to
some
minor
issues,
come
up,
we
can
adjust.
A
K
Mr
chair,
this
is
drew
here.
I
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
this
form,
as
is.
H
H
A
Drew
yep
christine
yes
and
dan
votes,
yes
as
well!
So
thanks
everyone!
So
we'll
make
our
final
tweaks
to
this
and
we'll
send
out
the
final
revised
version
and
we'll
ask
the
staff
to
start
using
it
good.
A
A
A
All
right
great
now,
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
a
site
design
review
process.
A
So
what
I'd
like
to
do,
then
that
dennis
has
got
some
stuff
to
show
us.
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
first
on
where
this
is
coming
from
so
and
I
and
I
had
a
couple
specific
things
that
I
wanted
to
address
with
the
board.
The
first
thing
is
public
hearings,
so
going
through
the
chapter
13,
it
turns
out
that
public
hearings
are
not
required
for
any
of
our
reviews
only
in
cases
where
it
poses
a
potential,
significant
impact
to
municipal
facilities
or
natural
resources.
A
That's
how
that's
how
the
ordinance
currently
reads,
but
we've
been
doing
public
hearings
for
concept,
plans
and
final
plans
for
well
in
practice
for
quite
some
time
as
long
as
I've
been
on
the
board
anyway,
but
they're
they're,
technically
they're
not
required
so,
and
also
our
practices
of
suspending
and
resuming
public
hearings.
A
That
was
so.
That
was
a
question
I
had
and
it's
nowhere
in
the
ordinance,
but
it
in
discussions
with
ken
and
dennis.
It's
actually
a
good
idea
to
do
that,
because
it
keeps
the
period
open
for
public
comment
and
so
that
that
alleviates
the
burden
of
the
notifications
of
doing
a
new
one
when
you're
coming
back
to
the
same
issue.
A
A
K
M
The
impetus
should
be
on
them
to
voice
their
concerns
at
the
public
hearing
or
at
least
submit
a
letter
or
an
email
through
that
process,
so
that
they
can't
come
back
later
on
and
have
a
and
have
a
problem
with
stuff.
If
you
have
a
public
hearing
and
have
it
open
you,
you
alleviate
a
lot
of
those
problems.
I
think.
A
Later
on,
yeah
right,
that's
a
good
point
now,
just
as
what
I
did,
what
I
didn't
say,
notifications
to
abutting
landowners
would
still
have
to
go
out.
You
know
and
that
opportunity
for
the
abutting
landowners
to
voice
some
objections
or
whatever
would
still
be
in
place,
but
it's
just
the
public
hearing,
part
of
it.
The
formality
of
notifications
for
public
hearings
and
going
through
the
motions
of
having
that
public
hearing
in
and
out
is
is
what
we're
talking
about.
J
H
I
Mr
chair,
if
I
could
interject
at
this
point
a
little
bit,
you
know
that,
from
a
from
a
government
standpoint
you're
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
have
transparency
in
your
decisions,
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
main
thing
for
a
public
hearing
is
making
sure
that
people
know
what's
going
on
at
the
same
time,
there's
a
balance
between
the
the
public
interest
in
a
project
and
the
applicant's
interest
in
a
project
and
the
law
in
that,
for
instance,
if
you're
in
a
single-family
residential
zone,
you
expect
that
there's
going
to
be
single-family
residential
type
impacts
around
you
and
if
somebody
comes
in
and
proposes
to
drop
a
say,
a
mechanic
shop
right
next
door,
that's
going
to
be
full
service,
auto
body
repair
right
next
to
your
neighborhood.
I
If
the
law
says
that
they
could
do
it,
even
though
it's
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
it's
still
very
difficult
to
say:
well,
let's
go
get
all
the
public
input
and
see
what
they
think
about
it.
You
pretty
much
know
what
they're
going
to
think
about
it,
but
if
the
law
says
they
can
do
it,
it
really
doesn't
matter
what
the
public
input
is.
If
the
law
says
they
can
do
it,
but.
I
If
the
law
says
that
you
could
do
it,
if
you
address
the
anticipated
negative
impacts
that
you
might
create
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
law
outlines
a
process
by
which
the
public
can
come
in
express
concerns
about
the
impacts
and
iterate
those
to
you,
then
the
the
public
hearing
has
a
purpose.
It
has
the
the
purpose
of
let's.
I
Let's
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
all
the
potential
impacts
and
acknowledging
that
you
as
a
board,
don't
have
all
of
the
answers,
but
by
casting
a
broader
net
you
could
pull
some
of
those
ideas
in
and
then
you
review
the
public
comment
in
light
of.
Are
these
reasonable
concerns
that
we
do
need
to
make
sure
get
addressed.
I
It
actually
creates
more
of
a
perception
of
lack
of
understanding
or
government
being
unwilling
to
listen.
Even
though
that's
not
the
case,
it's
just
that
if
the
law
says
what
it
does,
then
there's
not
much.
You
can
do
differently
about
it.
So
there's
definitely
times
when
you
want
to
have
public
hearings.
Definitely,
if
you're
going
to
rezoning
somebody's
property,
you
want
to
make
sure
you've
got
hearings
if
you're
amending
the
codes.
I
I
Our
code
right
now
says
that
when
we
have
a
public
hearing,
we
have
to
notice
it
in
the
paper
we
have
to
notice
adjacent
property
owners,
there
is
costs
involved
and
the
ordinance
even
says.
If
you
have
a
public
hearing
and
table
the
item,
you
have
to
re-notice
for
another
public
hearing,
so
you
we
can't.
We
have
to
go
through
all
of
those
processes
again
and
it
can
delay
an
applicant
months
just
because
of
this
notice
requirement
for
hearings,
and
so
that's
where
it
gets
to.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
well
stated,
and
it
shows
both
sides
of
the
argument.
So
one
thought
one
thought
that
came
to
mind
as
I
was
going
through.
This
is
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
maybe
we
can
have
a
process
where
we
don't
do
public
hearings
for
concept
plans,
but
do
do
them
for
final
plans.
That's
another
option.
A
It's
kind
of
an
in
between
you
know
why
we
do
public
hearings
for
concept,
but
then
there's
other
things
in
the
code
that
says
you
know
the
concept
is
the
first
chance
for
people
to
see
what's
going
on
and
and
put
their
put
in
their
input
if
they
have
any
so
good.
That's
good
discussion,
any
other
co.
Any
thoughts
on
the
the
public
hearings.
A
What
I'm
here
we're
hearing
so
far
is
most
people
think
it's
there's
value
enough
to
just
keep
and
frankly
we're
not
overwhelmed
by
you
know:
12
applications
coming
in
every
month.
You
know
so
it's
not
like
we're
being
overly
burdened,
but
the
interest
my
interest
was
looking
at
the
and
what,
as
as
dennis
mentioned,
figuring
out
ways
we
might
be
able
to
streamline
and
streamline
our
processes
and
aligning
our
what
we
do,
what
we
actually
do
in
practice
to
the
ordinance,
which
is
in
some
cases,
it's
a
little
off.
D
Thoughts,
mr
chair,
if
you
don't
mind,
yes,
please:
at
the
council
level
we
looked
at
our
public
forums
and
during
public
hearings
and
any
we.
We
decided
that
any
anonymous
letters
that
come
in
we
weren't
gonna
read,
and
that
was
for
a
couple
reasons.
One
was
we
don't
know
who
they
are?
We
don't
know
if
they're
caribou
citizens,
we
don't
know
if
they're
from
surrounding
towns
or
everywhere
else.
So
that
was
a
big
thing
for
us.
D
If
we
didn't
know
who
the
person
was
was
or
where
they
were
from,
we
just
wouldn't
read
them
and
also
it
kind
of
fires.
People
up,
I
kind
of
know
tonight.
Josh
was
a
little.
You
know
fired
up
when
he
heard
you
know
somebody
anonymous
saying
something
and,
and
it
just
it
kind
of
alleviates
any
sort
of
animosity
towards
anybody.
I
mean
public
hearings.
Allow
like
dennis
said,
allow
people
to
give,
in
their
point
of
view,
do
do
justice,
that's
something
you
guys
would
have
to
adopt.
D
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
say
one
way
or
the
other.
It's
your
board.
You
guys
are
the
members
and
you
can
adopt
that
or
not
adopt
it.
It's
completely
up
to
you.
That's
just
something
I
noticed
tonight
in
public
hearing
that
something
anonymous
is
I
mean
you
just
never
know
who
it
is
and
they
could
be
just
firing
shots,
no
pun
intended
just
to
get
under
somebody's
skin.
H
D
I
They
have
that
right,
and
so
I
have
actually
seen
cases
where
a
city
acted
on
an
application
and
if
developers
started
moving
dirt-
and
that
was
the
first
time
that
the
neighbors
found
out
about
this
new
development
going
in
and
at
that
point
the
neighbors
filed
suit,
saying
hey.
I
want
to
appeal
that
decision.
This
is
the
first
time
I
heard
about
it.
I
A
Notices
well
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
for
now
at
least,
we
should
probably
just
keep
going
the
way
we've
been
doing
it
and
maybe
look
to
the
next
revision
of
the
chapter
13,
to
put
in
the
right
words
to
make
it
align
better
to
our
practice
right.
Would
you
agree.
I
I
think
my
question
would
be
I
maybe
that's
you
know
it's
in
the
council
or
the
planning
board
packet
tonight.
You
can
see
the
the
different
processes
that
you
have
our
current
processes
and
then
some
possible
processes
as
we
as
we
look
at
those
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
jump
over
and
share
my
screen
on
that
yep.
That's
okay,
mr.
I
I
I
So
when
we
we've
kind
of
already
touched
on
this,
that
when
you
have
a
review
process,
some
of
the
things
that
you
look
at
is
what
level
of
review
are
we
looking
at
if
somebody's
bringing
in
a
napkin
sketch-
and
they
just
want
to
bounce
some
ideas
off
us-
does
that
require
a
full
site
plan
review?
You
know,
that's
that's
a
very
low
level,
cursory
review
of
things
and
I
think
those
types
of
things
can
be
handled
administratively,
really
we're
just
unless
it's
a
very
large
concept
for
a
new
subdivision
or
a
major
commercial
development.
I
Those
kinds
of
very
cursory
things
are
just
bouncing
ideas
off
the
walls
type
of
stuff
and
then
you've
got
administratively
again.
If,
if
the
law
says
it's
a
permitted
use
and
the
standards
are
very
clear
administratively,
we
should
be
able
to
just
facilitate
that
process
going
through
the
guy
comes
in
or
the
lady
comes
in.
They
fill
out
their
application,
it
meets
the
codes
and
we
stamp
it.
We
move
them
on
to
the
next
step.
It
doesn't
need
to
come
to
the
planning
board
or
the
city
council,
but
then
you
have
those
other
elements.
I
Like
a
new
subdivision
or
new
large
multi-family
development,
large
commercial
development
that
it
may
need
to
look
at
the
ordinance
and
does
the
awards
need
to
be
amended.
What
kind
of
impacts
are
there
other
agencies
at
the
state
level
or
the
county
level,
the
regional
level
that
need
to
be
pulled
into
it?
Where
there's
definitely
some
more
scrutiny,
some
more
oversight
that
needs
to
happen
and
then,
finally,
just
very
heightened
scrutiny
where
we're
going
to
get
down
into
the
the
very
details
of
it.
I
A
I
Okay,
so
currently
the
applicant
comes
in
they
meet
with
staff
and
ultimately
they're
trying
to
get
to
where
they
paying
their
final
fees
and
getting
their
permit
from
the
applicant
standpoint.
That's
the
point
they're
trying
to
get
to.
They
want
to
be
able
to
walk
out
the
door
and
start
moving
forward
and
the
process
we've
been
using.
There's
a
question
of
what
does
it
need
site
plan
review?
I
I
If
it
needs
to
go
to
the
code
enforcement
officer,
then
the
applicant
can
choose,
do
they
want
to
go
through
a
concept
process
or
they
want
to
go
through
the
final
process
at
the
concept
level
they
provide
the
packet
to
the
ceo
and
the
ceo
reviews
it
for
completeness.
You
mentioned
on
this
earlier,
mr
chair,
that
completeness
review
that's
a
trigger.
That
means
if
their
application
is
complete,
we
can't
arbitrarily
or
purposefully
change
the
codes
on
them
after
the
fact.
I
So
the
codes
that
are
in
place
are
the
ones
that
we
have
to
review
that
application
by
if
it's
complete,
so
if
it's
complete
or
if
it's
not,
we
send
it
back
to
them.
If
it
is
it
moves
on
we're
required
to
have
a
public
meeting,
that's
not
a
public
hearing
but
a
public
meeting
and
to
provide
a
14-day
notice.
I
A
I
I
I
I
I
I
So
with
all
of
this,
you
can
see
there's
some
duplication
in
the
process.
There's
also
the
element
of
some
things
are
probably
simpler
and
easier
for
the
administration
to
just
review
and
approve,
and
we
could
even
simplify
that
process.
Administratively
then,
and
then
only
some
things
would
be
coming
to
the
planning
board.
I
Here's
an
example
of
a
much
simplified
process
and
the
reason
why
I'm
showing
this
is,
as
we
look
at
the
title:
13
rewrite
we're
at
that
point
as
you've
indicated
where
we're
looking
at
our
processes
and
where
we
want
to
get
the
planning
boards
general
idea
or
direction
of.
How
can
we
streamline
this
so
that,
as
we're
rewriting
title
13,
we
r
we
rewrite
it
to
match
the
processes
we
want.
I
There's
the
old
saying
you
can't
put
new
wine
in
old
bottles
well
in
the
rewriting
of
title
13,
it
might
be
easier
for
just
us
to
just
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
do.
Let's
write
it
that
way,
rather
than
how
can
we
massage
all
the
current
process
to
fit
what
we
want
to
do,
but
here's
an
example
of
the
applicant
comes
in:
they
meet
with
staff
at
a
concept
level,
the
applicant,
oh,
let
me
go
back.
I
They
provide
their
information
to
the
ceo.
If
it's
complete,
then
it
moves
on
to
what
we
call
a
drc
review
or
a
development
review
committee.
This
body
would
include
the
city
departments,
somebody
from
the
caribbean
utilities
district.
Maybe
the
rsu
needs
to
be
involved.
The
post
office
instead
of
america
would
be
versant
now
or
some
other
communications
utilities
that
might
be
involved.
I
I
I
I
I
I
Does
it
meet
codes,
yes
or
no?
If
it
does
meet
codes
and
it
had
to
go
to
the
planning
board
for
a
use
review,
then
we
would
take
it
back
to
the
planning
board
for
a
final
public
meeting
for
the
planning
board
to
say.
Yes,
we
had
we
agree
with
drc
and
the
codes
and,
if
all
of
the
impacts
that
we
addressed
or
that
we
we
wanted
to
see
addressed,
have
been
addressed
at
which
point
the
planning
board
can
can
table
it,
grant
approval
or
conditional
approval.
I
I
I
I
There's
from
the
applicant
standpoint,
there's
probably
not
a
lot
of
money.
That's
been
spent,
there's
not
a
lot
of
investment
lost.
If
the
pending
board
says
nope,
it's
just
not
going
to
work
and
the
public
can
say
they
got
in
on
the
ground
level.
They
were
able
to
be
in
very
early
in
the
process,
give
their
comments
and
then,
after
that,
it's
just
moving
forward
of.
Does
it
meet
the
codes
and
are
we
addressing
the
issues
that
were
identified
early
on,
but
very
few
public
hearings
in
the
process?
A
A
This
is
the
direction
that
we
we
want
to
take
before
then
and
again,
going
up
another
a
level
or
two.
What
we
want
to
do
is
ease
the
owners
process
and
timelines,
especially
for
those
minor
projects
and
right
now
we
have
one
process
that
one
size
fits
all
and
it's
kind
of
not
appropriate
to
require
the
same
engineered
professionally
engineered
drawings
and
plans
and
schematics
for
a
small
kind
of
a
mom-and-pop
thing
project,
as
opposed
to
a
very
large
commercial
industrial
project.
Right
now.
I
We
we
bring
everybody
to
the
same
table
everybody's,
getting
the
information
at
the
same
time
and
it's
not
a
okay,
wait
for
city
hall
and
then
wait
for
cud
and
then
wait
for
you
know
so
on
and
so
on.
It's
when
we
bring
everybody
to
the
same
table,
we're
all
getting
the
information
we're
all
working
on.
At
the
same
time,
it
can
help
expedite
getting
through
everybody's
processes
more
quickly.
A
G
A
So
those
those
would
be
my
concerns
and
it
leads
into
the
next
discussion
on
waivers
and
the
way
well
before
we
move
on
to
waivers.
A
So
I
just
said
my
about
the
application:
consistent
application
to
the
standards
across
the
board
and
no
no
no
risk
of
having
single
point
failures.
I
will
say
in
the
process
where
somebody
could
come
back
and
say
well
that
that's
not
fair,
that
was
arbitrary,
you're
just
making
stuff
up.
As
you
go
kind
of
thing.
I've
experienced
that
kind
of
thing
with
planning
boards,
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
caribou
doesn't
fall
into
that
that
bucket
of
deplorables
any
other
comments.
A
I
think
everybody
on
this
board
has
experienced
an
application
that
has
come
in.
That
was
clearly
not
complete,
yet
we
let
it
slide
and
we
say
well,
you
know
we
can
kind
of
it's.
It's
not
there.
This
particular
piece
of
information
isn't
there,
but
we
we
understand
and
we'll
just
let
it
slide
this
time.
A
So,
and
it's
it's
it's
up
to
the
judgment
of
the
ceo
of
the
or
the
planning
board
to
determine
around
okay.
So
this
this
sketch
map
of
we'll
say
the
sketch
map
of
the
the
drainage
or
the
storm
water.
Really,
we
don't
really
need
that
because
it's
obviously
a
pretty
flat
place,
there's
nothing
around.
I
mean
we
kind
of
make
that
judgment.
We
kind
of
wave
the
need
for
an
engineered
storm
water
plan.
A
Well,
it
turns
out
we
can
waive
those
information
requirements.
We
cannot
waive
the
meeting
of
the
criteria,
but
the
information
requirements
we
can,
but
we
haven't
been
doing
that
and
I
don't
think
ken's
been
doing
that.
So
the
question
is,
you
know:
do
we
continue
to
observe
the
practice
of
not
waiving
requirements
and
they're
kind
of
owners
on
these
site,
design,
reviews,
lots
and
lots
of
things
that
people
have
to
put
together
and
for
the
final
plane
review?
They
have
to
be
engineered
drawings
by
professional
engineers
registered
with
the
state
of
maine.
A
A
We
don't
also
dennis,
has
pointed
out
that
waving
these
information
requirements
skirts
were
way
too
close
to
a
variance
granting
a
variance
to
our
ordinance,
which
we
cannot
do
so
you
get
mixed
into
that
gray
line
that
great
space
of,
but
but
the
ordinance
says
we
can
do
it.
So
what
do
we
do?
A
I
think
in
discussions
with
ken
and
dennis,
I
think
we
decided
this
needs
to
be
fixed
in
the
next
iteration
of
chapter
13.
We
have
to
decide
whether
we're
going
to
waive
things
or
change
the
process
to
streamline
it,
so
there
aren't
so
many
requirements,
but
I
think
what
I
wanted
to
share
with
the
board.
A
Now
it's
it's
our
dennis
and
my
and
ken's
opinion
that
we
ought
to
probably
just
keep
doing
what
we're
doing
for
right
now
and
observe
the
practice
of
just
not
granting
waivers
to
any
of
the
information
requirements.
A
Sketches
on
napkins
or
whatever
for
their
site
plan-
and
you
know
we
can't-
we
can't
do
that,
but
we
can
be
a
little
bit
flexible
in
those
standards,
but
once
we
get
down
to
final
plan
review,
if
we're
not
going
to
do
waivers,
then
they're
going
to
be
engineered
drawings,
and
so
you
know
we
have
to
consider
that
as
well.
What
are
the
thoughts
of
the
board
on
waivers
and
the
use
of
waivers.
K
Well,
they
have
a
word
for
that
chairman
bagley.
It's
called
favoritism
and.
I
K
I
A
K
A
A
A
Can
we
turn
something
to
console
in
fairly
short
order
to
fix
this?
This
issue,
because
this
is
a
big
issue
right
now,
yeah
go
ahead.
J
I
just
have
one
kind
of
comment
because
I
you
know,
I
know
the
last
four
bay
storage
application
that
came
through
has
plans
of
adding
on
to
that.
So
you
know
you
know
four
bays
might
be
minor,
but
in
ten
years
it
could
be
major.
So
do
you
look
at
that?
Every
time
it
comes
through
and
then
at
what
point
does
it
really
need
to
have
a
full
site
development
plan,
or
you
know,
have
an
engineered
drainage
plan
and
stuff
like
that?
I
You
could
look
at
cost
as
a
potential
factor
in
that,
but
you
could
look
at
it
as
okay,
it's
four
bay
now
and
it's
minor,
but
once
you
hit
12
you've
now
met
this
threshold
of
what
it
means
to
be
major
and
we're
going
to
make
you
go
through
that
process,
even
though
they
they
might
come
through
with
four
bays.
Now
two
next
two
next
three
next
and
try
to
get
as
close
to
that
threshold
as
they
can
there's
going
to
be
a
point
where
we're
going
to
have
to
see
a
full
site
design.
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's
think
about
that,
I
think
for
for
next
time,
does
everybody
like
the
idea
of
two
different
forms,
two
different
processes
for
major
and
minor.
B
A
Are
there
any
objections
to
that?
I
think
that
that's
a
fantastic
approach
and
I
think
it
will
solve
the
problem,
our
immediate
problem,
that's
we.
We
have
immediate
problem
here
and
you
know,
as
we
do,
the
larger
chapter
13
rewrite.
We
can
remedy
some
of
these
issues
in
other
ways
for
now
get
a
quick
change
in
the
ordinance
to
allow
major
and
money
reviews,
which
means
we're
going
to
need
to
work
up
some
wording
on
that.
A
So
dennis,
how
would
you
and
ken
as
well?
How
would
you
recommend
we
we
tackle
tackle
that?
Would
you
like
one
of
us
to
to
look
at
putting
together
some
wording,
or
would
you
like
to
draft
some
wording
and
have
us
review
it?
C
It
shouldn't
be
all
that
hard
to
reach
out
mr
chair.
You
know,
as
amanda
suggested,
that
you
know
these.
These
processes
exist
out
there.
Already
it's
pretty
easy
to
google
and
find
things
like
that,
and
then
we
can
come
back
with
some
suggestions,
we're
dealing
with
with
ordinance
and
there's
nothing
fast
about
it.
So
we
we
have
to
have
something
written.
We
have
to
come
up
with
with
a
major
and
minor
type
project.
C
A
A
The
other
point
that
I
made
is
the
that
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
concept
plan
reviews
are
not
required,
as
we
always
at
least
me.
I
always
thought
that
they
were
required.
They're,
actually
not,
and
so
dennis's
diagram
actually
highlighted
that
it's
an
optional
thing
any
applicant
can
go
right
to
fpr
if
they
want
to
there's.
A
Also,
there's
also
the
timeline
issue,
so
the
the
final
plan
review
has
a
timeline
that
requires
that
the
at
the
complete
application,
based
within
21
days
of
the
next
meeting,
a
forum
said
something
different,
but
we
fixed
that
there
is
no
similar
timeline
in
the
ordinance
for
constant
plan
reviews,
there's
it's
silent
on
concept,
plan,
reviews
and
so
right
now,
given
that
they're,
it's
silent
on
that,
we
just
on
the
form
we
just
laid
in
that
21
day
the
same
21
day
process,
which
I
think
was
assumed
by
dennis's
diagrams
there.
A
But
I
I
wanted
a
point
right
now.
We
I
think
we
may
have
some
flexibility
in
that,
because
the
ordinance
is
silent
on
the
timelines
for
concept
planning
review.
We
might
could
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
on
that,
but
right
now
the
form
mirrors
the
21
day
timeline.
A
So
if
there's
21
days
a
period
of
time
between
so
we
we
don't
usually
get
these
things
until
the
week
before
the
meeting,
and
so
I've
already
talked
to
ken
about
this
he's
going
to
try
to
turn
those
quickly
to
us
he
needs
to
he.
He
needs
to
have
him.
21
days
before
our
meeting-
and
he
needs
to
have
some
time
to
review,
talk
to
the
applicant
see
what's
see
what
needs
to
be
added
any
thing
and
then
to
us.
A
So
you
know-
maybe
you
know-
maybe
two
weeks
instead
of
one
week
or
ten
days
instead
of
one
week
and
we'll
just
just
see
how
that
works
out,
but
that
that
usually
have
to
redo
these,
and
we
really
should
be
having
a
pre-review
and
deciding
amongst
ourselves
whether
the
application
is
complete
and
whether
we
want
to
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
the
meeting
or
not
and
that's
a
step
in
the
process
we
we've
we
haven't
been
doing,
and
so
we
come
to
a
meeting
with
an
application
oftentimes
which
isn't
complete
and
that's
no,
that's
the
wrong
time
to
be
learning
that
an
application
is
not
complete.
A
C
But
you
know
there's
always
goals
you
can
set.
C
E
C
Sometimes
so
that,
for
instance,
for
rezoning
we've
got
to
get
out
there.
We've
got
to
have
that
ad
in
the
paper
twice.
C
Which
brings
us
actually
to
the
question
of
the
day
we're
actually
looking
at
another
public
hearing
for
a
rezoning
issue
which
has
to
meet
these
deadlines,
and
so
are
we
gonna
meet
the
zoom
tonight
work
very
well
via
zoom.
I
I
know
we
want
to
get
back
to
in
face,
but
it
should
be
one
or
the
other
zoom
works
well,
when
everyone's
on
zoom
and
face-to-face
works
best
when
everyone's
face-to-face,
so.
A
Let's
put
that
to
the
board
what
and
I'd
like
to
hear
from
everybody
on
this
individually?
How
do
you
feel
about?
Do
you
prefer
zoom
or
in
person
no
judgments
here?
If
you'd
rather
do
it
by
zoom?
That's
fine!
I
I
personally,
I
will
speak
first.
A
I
think
I
like
the
idea
of
meeting
together.
I
think
we
can
communicate
better
that
way
and
I'm
willing
to
accept
whatever
risks
there
are
in
meeting
in
person
we've
been
able
to
distance
before
so
I
don't.
I
don't.
I
personally
don't
have
an
issue
with
meeting
in
person
and
prefer
it
but
dave
what.
M
I
really
don't
have
an
opinion
on
the
matter.
I
mean
I,
I
could
see
both
both
sides,
but
I'm
willing
to
do
whatever.
J
I
have
no
preference,
I
do
zoom
meetings
all
day
long,
so
this
is
just.
E
F
H
L
I
do
prefer
in-person
meetings,
but
at
the
time
at
this
time,
probably
staying
zoom
for
a
little
longer
would
be
wise.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
plan
for
our
next
meeting
then
to
be
zoom
and
we'll
talk
about
it
again
then,
and
see
everybody's
comfort
level.
At
that
point.
A
Okay,
are
we
ready
to
move
on
on
the
agenda,
we're
on
item
six
staff
report.
C
So
so,
really
quick.
The
days
are
getting
longer
we're
seeing
people
getting
restless
some
neighborhood
disputes,
but
we're
seeing
sign
permits
and
building
permits
and
some
nice
projects
coming
forward.
So
that's
all
good
we've
been
working
here
in
the
office
on
on
light
and
with
the
blight
initiative,
the
land
bank
idea
it's
kind
of
a
two-prong
approach,
I'm
working
with
the
stakeholders
group
from
from
all
over
delegates
to
start
looking
at
it.
C
So
we've
talked
to
senator
jackson
senator
store
some
some
people
from
down
state
we're
starting
to
get
some
traction
there.
So
maybe
our
lr
will
turn
into
an
ld
and
and
someday
be
along,
and
this
will
help
us
with
land
banks
and
that
we'll
have
legislation
available
that
allows
us
to
do
it
locally,
and
you
know
that's
one
step
further,
one
more
tool
in
the
box
to
help
us
deal
with
some
of
these
underutilized
properties
in
the
city.
C
G
C
We're
starting
to
cobble
together
a
land
bank
idea
to
the
business
investment
group
focused
on
some
vacant
properties.
Here
in
town,
that's
been
tax
acquired
and
have
cities.
I've
had
for
years.
So
it's
it's
becoming
real.
It's
kind
of
a
race
to
the
middle,
so
notices
of
violation.
We've
got
junk
vehicles
around
I've.
Had
a
conversation
with
mark
nettle
to
marx.
C
Towing
mark
on
occasion
brings
a
crusher
to
town
to
deal
with
his
junk,
so
the
idea
is:
can
I
contact
these
small
repair
shops
and
garages
around
that
that
do
have
a
quantity
of
stuff
that
we're
trying
to
clean
up
and
to
see
if
we
can
get
rid
of
that
all
at
the
same
time?
C
C
C
Okay,
we're
working
on
a
couple
things
we're
working
on
this
year's
tdbg
grant.
We
have
a
economic
development
grant
in
in
the
offing,
basically
a
second
location
for
an
area
of
business
that
will
be
using
under
utilized
law,
great
project.
It
sounded
like
a
good
project
for
the
people
down
to
see
dcd.
C
C
You
know
a
computer
to
to
zoom
with
or
whatever
have
you.
So
that's
that's
the
idea
we
we've
sent
out
our
our
our
letter
of
intent
and
our
first
plan
if
we
make
it
if
we're
invited
to
the
second
round,
they'll
actually
give
us
some
money
to
do
the
planning
on
the
larger
project,
so
we're
hopeful
to
see
at
least
getting
into
the
planning
stage.
E
C
So
we're
staying
busy.
Yes,
you
are
also.
I
should
mention
I'll,
send
out
an
agenda
for
the
riverfront
development
group,
we're
looking
if
you,
if
anyone
recalls
we're
looking
at
designating
a
riverfront
development
district,
we're
also
looking
at
doing
land
use
for
the
larger
part
of
chapter
13
and
in
the
comprehensive
plane
update.
So
we're
going
to
use
that
area
as
a
kind
of
a
test
run
for
the
overall
larger
project
and
hopefully
have
something
to
see
on
this
coming
wednesday.
The
17th
good.
A
C
A
C
I
D
I
And
we
get
buy-in
from
all
of
the
the
representatives
and
we,
like
ken,
said
we
need
to
know
you
know
what
is
the
reality
of
that
opening
back
up
again
at
this
point,
it
may
take
some
field
trips
with
the
legislators
to
come
up
and
see.
Look
you've
got
trees
growing
through
this
stuff.
Already
you've
got,
you
know,
ties
that
are
falling
apart.
This
thing's
not
going
to
be
up
again
and
we
want
to
move
forward
with
the
future
of
aroostook
county
and
in
caribou.
A
F
A
All
right,
thank
you,
ken!
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
board
to
ken
or
dennis
on
the
staff
report?
A
I
L
I
This
would
be
one
of
those
home
occupations
that,
you
might
say,
is
a
minor
home
occupation
compared
to
a
major
home
occupation,
or
you
know,
maybe,
because
we're
dealing
with
explosives
and
firearms,
it
would
be
a
major
home
occupation,
but
certainly
there's
there's
ways
of
looking
at
even
the
businesses
in
our
homes
as
being
minor
or
major,
and
this
the
way
I've
drafted
this
language
is.
Is
that
way?
I
A
A
I
I
I
So
this
again
gets
to
that
discussion
of
the
general
plan
says
we
want
these
types
of
uses
in
the
area.
The
zoning
says
this.
There
might
be
some
uses
that
are
okay,
but
we
want
to
just
double
check
them
or
that
we
want
it
to
go
through
a
conditional
use
review
process
and
there
that
same
thing
applies
to
the
home
occupations
is,
they
might
be
minor
and
just
be
able
to
skate
through
with
administrative
review.
They
might
be
major
home
occupations
that
well,
let's
just
double
check
that
let's
have
a
public
meeting.
A
And
one
thing
I
get
tripped
up
on
the
land
use
table
as
it
currently
is
written
is
you
have
you
know
all
these
different
uses
and
the
different
zones
and
it
doesn't
identify
which
one
of
those
can
be
a
home
occupied
home
occupation,
type
of
a
business
seems
like
we
need
an
asterisk
or
something
you
know
to
indicate.
These
are
permitted
as
home
occupations
in
the
you.
A
Districts
and
so
and
then
we
have
a
single
line
for
home
occupation
doesn't
make
sense.
I
If
you're,
if
you
look
at
a
piece
of
property,
what
is
the
primary
use
of
that
property?
If
it's,
if
you're
in
a
residential
zone
single-family
residence,
then
a
single-family
home
is
a
permitted
use
administrative
review
and
that
single
family
home
becomes
the
primary
use
of
that
property
if
somewhere
else
it?
You
know
the
real
issue
we
get
into
is
the
r3
zone,
where
the
land
use
table
has
such
a
variety
of
uses.
I
But
my
hope
is
that
the
land
use
table
instead
of
indicating
administrative
view
planning
board
review.
We
we
simply
call
it
out,
as
this
is
a
permitted
use.
This
is
a
not
permitted
use
or
this
is
a
conditional
use
in
that
zone
and
then
we
can,
if
somebody's
proposes
a
conditional
use.
We
know
it
has
to
come
to
the
planning
board
and
it
has
to
be
weighed
against
those
factors.
I
And
then,
if
the
use
is
approved
with
those
conditions,
then
it
goes
through
the
permitting
process
for
the
building
permits
or
the
site
plan
review,
and
we
can
do
them
concurrently
if
necessary,
but
the
use
is
what
we're
looking
at
as
far
as
is
it
consistent
with
the
general
plan?
Is
it
consistent
with.
E
I
I
It's
an
administrative
review
and
if
they
don't
meet
those
standards,
but
they
might
be
okay,
then
it
comes
to
the
planning
board
and
we
check
it
against
the
conditional
use
criteria
and
there
are
some
uses
which
we
just
don't
want
as
home
occupations
in
residential
areas,
and
so
I've
listed
some
of
those
out
there
at
the
bottom
of
that
draft.
For
you
to
look
at
right
now
in
the
r3
again,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
land
in
the
r3
and
so
some
of
those
home
occupations.
I
I
A
Okay,
got
it
any
questions
for
dennis.
Would
you
would
you?
Are
you
providing
this
for
us
to
review
and
individually
get
back
to
you
with
comments
and
changes,
or
is
this
just
yes,
yep.
I
I
I
A
And
so
to
that,
I
I
would
say
you
know,
please
give
us
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
a
lot
of
lead
time
on
that,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot.
You've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
that
over
many
many
months,
and
so-
and
we
talked
about
this
before-
how
how
are
we
going
to
review
this
this
huge
thing
and
what
one
suggestion
I
had-
and
you
may
be
already
planning
on
doing
this,
but
for
me
it
would
help
to
have
that
redline
copy
right
with
the
change.
You
know
track
changes
in.
A
That's
very,
very
messy
and
impossible
to
read
and
review,
but
then
have
also
a
clean
copy,
with
all
changes
incorporated,
get
rid
of
all
the
red
so
that
we
can
have.
We
can
have
your
new
document
clean
and
then,
as
we
read
it,
we
can
go
back
and
forth
and
see
what
the
rationale
for
that
changes
and
just
get
real
comfortable
with
where
everything
ended
up
in
the
new
wording,
and
all
of
that
that's
for
me
at
least
that's
why
that's
the
way
my
mind
works.
That
would
be
easiest
for
me.
A
Any
thoughts
for
from
the
board
on
that
there's
a
lot
of
changes
to
review.
Some
of
you
have
seen
them
already
parts
of
them.
I
I
A
A
What
are
we
all
going
to
tell
our
significance?
I
have
to
say
the
same
thing:
okay,
anything
else
dennis.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
I'll
be
looking
this
over
and
I
I
would
just
encourage
the
rest
of
the
board.
I
got
pretty
heavy
into
this.
Just
on
the
one
aspect,
the
site,
design
review.
A
I
know
you're
gonna,
think
I'm
crazy,
but
it's
it's
really
very
interesting.
It's
a
lot
of
it's
it's
very
satisfying
to
go
through
and
and
really
review
it
get
in
deep.
But
I
have
to
warn
you
once
you
get
in
it's
hard
to
get
back
out.
I
I
got
into
it
and
ended
up
going
a
lot
further
than
what
I
had
planned
in
in
in
reviewing,
so
it
will
suck
you
in
and
as
you
as
you
find
and
learn,
more
you're
gonna
want
to
learn
and
know
more.
So
that's
been
my
experience
anyway.
A
So
dig
deep
and
get
back
to
that
chapter
13
and
get
really
familiar
familiar
with
it
and
you
know,
try
to
know
all
the
ins
and
outs
of
it
so
that
we
can
have
some
good
discussions
in
the
months
coming
forward.
Any
other
final
comments
or
questions.
A
All
right
having
hearing
none
the
chair
will
entertain.
A
All
right
frank
has
moved
that
we
adjourn
drew
was
seconded,
we'll
take
a
roll
call
vote.
H
L
A
And
dan
votes-
yes,
too,
sorry
for
the
long
duration
tonight
that
was
two
hours
it
went
by
fast.
For
me,
sorry,
we'll
try
to
keep
these
to
no
more
than
an
hour
or
an
hour
and
a
half
so
but
a
lot
of
upfront
stuff
that
we
needed
to
kind
of
take
care
of
to
set
the
stage
for
our
meetings
coming
up
all
right
thanks.
Everyone
enjoy
your
enjoy
your
evening
and
the
rest
of
the
week.
Support
and
we'll
see
you
on
our
next
meeting.