Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 24 Jan 2019

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From YouTube: Board of County Commissioners Open/Work Session Afternoon of January 24, 2019

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Public Comment on this item
Briefing
County Transportation Priorities
Department of Planning ~ Ms. Lynda Eisenberg

Public Comment on this item
Briefing/Discussion/Possible Decision
Feasibility Study for North Carroll High School Property
Department of Economic Development ~ Mr. Jack Lyburn

Public Comment on this item
Discussion/Possible Decision
County Joining Opioid Litigation
Department of the County Attorney ~ Mr. Tim Burke

Briefing/Discussion/Decision
Request Approval for Grant Application & Acceptance of Award
Retrofitting Carroll County’s Stormwater Facilities
Department of Land & Resource Management ~ Mr. Tom Devilbiss
Department of Management & Budget ~ Mr. Ted Zaleski

Open Work Session
National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) Program
Department of Land & Resource Management ~ Mr. Tom Devilbiss

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We're back in session and first out of the gate, is county transportation.

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Priorities and I'd like to invite our director of planning, I mean the.

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Eisenberg, thank you very much and thank you for your confidence and our.

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Department and the work that we do, I'm very honored and thrilled to have this.

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Position and I look forward to all the new challenges that come along with it.

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And all the good things as well, so thank you very much you're welcome, so for.

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Those that are thousands of viewers that are now completely confused.

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Linda is now our director of planning and the acting has been removed from her.

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Title so again, congrats and we look forward to your continued efforts.

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Finally, what is always a challenging.

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Well, today, we're here to just give a very high-level briefing of the.

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Consolidated transportation program and the county priority letter, we come.

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Before you annually around this time of year, just to kind of let you know what.

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Course is being set out for this annual letter, with the culmination of all of.

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This work coming at the tour in the fall which our two newest commissioners, you.

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All did attend as electives for that particular meeting on november. I believe.

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It was the 8th, do you recall where we got these books? Yes, this is basically.

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The state's approval n't of our cip, this is their consolidated transportation.

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Program, it is their funding for 5 years and it's a list of the top state.

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Transportation, priority counties priority projects in the county and we.

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Put forward state highway projects and state roads projects as well as county.

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Trail projects, so anything that's basically capacity enhancing goes into.

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This document, to what we prepare so starting in january planning, works.

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With public works, economic development, & wrekin park to identify any updates to.

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Our existing letter and, if there's anything that should be added to this.

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Particular letter that we submit annually, we meet among other county.

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Municipal agencies, starting this february so depending if the.

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Municipalities have something new that they would like us to try to forward for.

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Them we will do that and for instance, last year we added maryland 30 in the.

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Manchester area to help look at alleviating congestion since the bypass.

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Ends at the north part of the town of hampstead, then we submit a letter to the.

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State in april and the reason we send it in april's, because when we do the.

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Priority letter, one of the things we look for support from our state.

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Delegation, it's very important that we have full support from them so that we.

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When the governor is looking for their initiatives, they see that we have a.

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United front, not only from our county local elected officials in the form of.

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Our commissioners, but also our state delegation as well anything to gather.

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Support in that, the counties on one page moving forward helps to strengthen what.

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This letter means and we've had good success over the last several years.

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Putting together a letter like this, we were able to forward 32 in terms of the.

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Planning and environmental linkages study and with the groundbreaking of the.

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Army national guard readiness center, the state recognized that 32 is important if.

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We're gonna put a center like that and to begin again to add lanes and capacity.

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Enhancing projects on maryland 32 as well as they recently completed a study.

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Which is still in draft form that we requested on maryland 26 from the.

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Reservoir to 32 years and years ago, the county had a committed project that was.

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In this document, but for various reasons, the funding was pulled back, but we were.

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Left with a 30% design from the state on this.

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Way during in that segment- and it's been a challenge at times, especially with.

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Development review projects coming forward that the state goes back to this.

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Plant that they're not even progressing forward any longer, so we've been working.

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With the state over the last several months for them to take the fresh eye.

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And a new look at maryland 26 in that segment to see do we need a full.

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Boulevard from the reservoir to 32, what can we do to enhance traffic flow in.

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That area and really looking at areas where intersections are problematic and.

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Where we've had some severe accidents to look at ways to have safety enhancements.

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And improvements along that segment without moving forward with this full.

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Boulevard concept, so question county submits the letter to the state name.

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Program to the state not to the delegation to the state and okay and at.

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The same time, his kursi copying the delegation we give.

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It I'm asking the process: is that how it I'm certain more than courtesy copy, they.

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Get a letter they read it over and then they sign off on the letter. So we have a.

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Separate signature page and they draft a a support letter and what we've been.

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Doing in the past is having whoever our legislative liaison now mike fowler take.

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This to annapolis and gather signatures- this is done prior to its being.

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Submitted to the state correct.

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Okay, but it is a letter it is, it is a letter from us, okay and then basically.

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There are supporting the measures that commissioners are putting forward thanks.

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So um in our letter it's very similar again to last year and we added one new.

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Project, we moved up the list and then we changed the scope and enhance the scope.

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Of another project so for top highway capacity, enhancing projects, our maryland.

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32 from maryland, 26 south to the carroll county howard, county line, maryland 97.

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Bachman's valley, road to maryland, 140 and westminster, maryland 26 maryland 32.

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East to the liberty, reservoir and maryland 30 ed vale road to cape horn,.

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Road so again, our first project, our top project, has been maryland 32 for quite.

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Some time and the phase one was a breakout project that phase one is.

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Underway for the freedom, readiness center and that's scheduled to advertise.

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This month, with a spring notice to proceed for their consultants and construction, so here's the full scope of the carroll.

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Project starting here so follow the orange down. That's dole ization. This.

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Part has been do alized and then dual ization to the county line eventually.

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The hope is, as howard county progresses, their maryland 32 segment 270 will have.

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Full dual ization from 26 to the 70 interchange- and this has been one of.

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Howard county's top projects as well, so we're in an alignment with them and then.

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This is just full scope into the 70 interchange, so this is just the howard.

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County portion, this is when the governor made his announcement several years ago.

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At the readiness center, this was one of the graphics that went along with that.

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Announcement next is marilyn 97, bachman's valley, road, marilyn 1:40 in.

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Westminster phase one was that breakout project near the airport drive magna.

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No way and the completion date is summer of 2019. That was a project that the.

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County helped engineer and fund, and we've had really great success when we.

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Partner with the state- and this is one of the projects that had partnership.

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With the state and our economic development, as well as county government,.

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To really forward I'm a project in see it to completion and really enhance that.

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Area phase this was added last year was to put this word in the priority.

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Letter to initiate a feasibility study from magna way to marilyn 140. So now we.

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Got to get there and make that connection marilyn 140 in westminster.

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So again, here's the full interchange here so this would be the oranges. The.

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Scope- and this was what had happened recently.

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Next is maryland: 32 east to liberty, road on liberty, reservoir and so the project.

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Was one of the top one of the county's top parties for final engineering and.

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Land acquisition, the entire project scope, was to one the roadway from four.

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To six lanes, but again, we've been working with the state to provide final.

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Revisions from a maryland 26 study that they completed in 2018 and we're waiting.

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To get a final approval from them, so hopefully in the next month or so, we.

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Should have something from the state highway that will we'll send up and share with the em. So again here's the full scope of the project, the bridges at.

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The reservoir 232 an eldersburg.

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And then the final project which a commissioner ransom, commissioner weaver.

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Were very instrumental in helping to forward for the town of manchester is to.

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Initiate a study of specific causes of congestion and critical backup points in.

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The town of manchester we get a lot of traffic in this county, especially in.

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That area from commuters coming through pennsylvania, one of the things that we.

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Really worked with the state during our meeting with them, with the town of.

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Manchester is the traffic? That's there isn't because of what carol's land-use.

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Policies are or the town's land use policies. It's simply a bio practice of a.

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Lot of the development help happening in southern pennsylvania and then those.

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Commuters coming into our community or ever passing through going into the.

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Greater baltimore metropolitan area for jobs, but our roads, weren't, designed on.

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Our main streets to handle that volume of traffic, so one of the things, is to.

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Initiate a study of what is happening with the congestion and what can be done.

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The town of manchester has requested a bypass over the last several years, but.

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Given limited funding from the state and just their thoughts on creating new.

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Roads itself, we don't see that project happening anytime in the near future.

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Perhaps in the way long-term, but something needs to happen sooner rather.

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Than later for the town to have some type of congestion relief, so we will.

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Continue to work with the state to flush out something, and as long as well as.

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With the town to move something forward- and I and I know that a commissioner.

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Landry, what we've all been very instrumental in helping the town.

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Navigate what they want to do as well, how the county it can support efforts. We.

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Put a toll broof of boost up more times than one at 97 and 30 get some of those.

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Revenues so again, here's just a scope of the math coming down down to cape horn.

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Road and then to projects that the mayors of.

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New windsor and sykesville came forward during the tour meeting was with regards.

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To maryland, 31 and maryland 851 for what are typically called streetscape.

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Projects and they're much more than that a lot of times as you are in fruss truck.

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Sure work happens at that time. You know the the thought is. If we're gonna dig up.

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The road, let's repair, what needs to repair. We have a lot of aging.

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Infrastructure and our communities, so that was the thought with these projects.

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And then we'll make it nice at the end and put in some nice sidewalks and some.

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Decorative lighting and things like that to really have a main street feel within.

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Those communities and the reason for the hierarchy of maryland 31 over at 851 is.

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Simply how much has gone into this projects and where they are so with.

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Maryland 31 and new windsor, the project will include improvements to sidewalks.

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Enhancements to bicycle pedestrian, accessibility and roadway improvements.

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The project would be coordinated with their water and sewer lines, but they.

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Have already a design approved for that preliminary engineering underway for.

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That project so they're much further along and here's the dam represents the.

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Streetscape- and this will go a long way to since new windsor is having a.

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Renaissance of sorts with some new economic development, springdale prep.

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Hopefully, this project can move along for the town the first night I was.

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Commissioner, like may a route brought this to my attention, so I'm glad to see.

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Something's going on with it, it's a great concern to them and at swamp.

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Community, well, we keep putting it for, but again it all comes down to dollars.

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And cents- and you know, if there's private public partnerships that can.

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Happen and other things you know, even though it's a state road, the state looks.

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To their partners to help facilitate those projects, so this is one that would.

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Be really critical for the town to have complete.

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And then again, 851 in sykesville concept has been completed for this project, but.

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It's not currently funded for design. So again, I think that's what the mayor was.

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Talking about stuff needs to happen, things need to move, for. This is how.

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Planning and what our department does to help contribute to this, along with.

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Working with our state partners and the towns as well to come, keep things moving.

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Forward and the ultimate goal again is: if it's not in this document, it doesn't.

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Necessarily get funded and there's more funding mechanisms than just the.

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Consolidated transportation program, as you all know, on 27 we were able to get.

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Some safety funding and things so there's other pots of money for how.

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State projects occur, but these are have these major over 5 million dollar-plus.

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Projects happen and when you're, adding capacity, meaning additional lanes or.

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Something to be able to have more vehicles on the road. These are the type.

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Of projects they want in this document regarding these priorities and.

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Specifically, this main street from sykesville, where we're prioritizing for.

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Different reasons, a lot of it has to do with congestion. You know I'm 32 and.

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Stuff like that, but the thing with 851 it is to a point of safety concerns that.

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The road will actually fail. The culverts underneath are you know not in good.

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Repair right now, so we brought it to the state's attention saying that you know.

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That this, this is the reasoning for this road construction that needs to take.

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Place so my concern is that if we do not keep it at a very high level, priority.

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And does not get funded, for you know the construction necessary we're gonna have.

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A much larger problem on our hands, then all these other highways and roads.

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Combined, so we we met with, I met with the mayor. We brought dbw down there and.

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Admit we, a warren miller, was part I apologize. Delegate miller was also made.

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Aware of this, and was a part of the discussion along with the state.

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So we've already had those conversations I could spell a month ago.

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The key now is to follow up. You know, I almost you talk is cheap, but it's it's.

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The follow-up that's necessary. My biggest concern is the safety of the the.

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Road, more than anything else I mean we have the safety concerns as part of this.

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But we will continue to add that this letter, it's just one piece of that.

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Puzzle that having the meetings working with the delegation expressing again to.

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State highway and personal meetings as well. How important this is is, but the.

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Sense of the point is the sense of urgency, because the environment changes.

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The climate change, though the wet weather, has really is causing a much.

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More concern for this road, then I've heard in anything else, so I think we.

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Just need to follow up oh yeah, so here is the scope of this project, I'm so.

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That's the priority letter in a nutshell: again, we try to keep this list fairly.

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Small to projects that we feel are the highest priority and what can really.

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Move forward, one of the things that we did was we had a meeting with state.

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Highway representatives in the late part of 2018 to say how is this letter what.

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Suggestions, do you have mason continue to have these projects and their entire.

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Scope, but have these breakout projects that are a little bit smaller a little.

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Easier to manage and fund from the state's perspective there's a finite.

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Amount of dollars, so they want to help us progress. These projects that are.

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Important again, just the continued support from the county commissioners.

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And the state delegation to help afford this in annapolis is always, since this.

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Learn also has county transit needs on or have we ever put anything in there.

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About additional buses that we could use to beef up our pot of funds and do get.

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Funded, certainly, we always be putting like a little bit of extra, but it's not.

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One of the I guess main capacity and hanson, but we do include those and.

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They're all we always get funding for different projects with them.

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The transportation, so this is not the proper place. To put you, that's because I.

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Would like to put some you're asking, I think, for three buses right, although.

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Last year they asked first, whatever was seven. I got two or whatever.

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For last year, we asked for ten replacement buses preventative.

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Maintenance tablet, replacements and marketing funding right. Okay, so I would.

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Just like to include that letter that we need additional buses, so we can stand up.

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A little better transit system out here in carroll county, so the main point of.

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Today was just to make sure that we're hitting the high points of what you.

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Won't want to see move for transit as a part of that and and I'm some of our.

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Trail projects we've been working with jeff as always. To get this frank.

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Governor frank brown trail completed, and so now I think, with the readiness center.

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Center underway, we can make strides in that now, knowing where the alignment is.

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Going to be because we do have funding that the state's been holding aside for.

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Us to be able to progress that project so again, we'll keep continue to work.

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With our partner agencies and drafting this letter and we'll come back to you,.

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With the drafted letter and if you have any of their questions or suggestions.

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We'll incorporate this but we'll go into our research and work with our partners.

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Now, just of note wall down annapolis yesterday I was able to have a.

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Conversation with both secretary mdot and the sha administrator regarding the.

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Freedom reign in the center and to make them continue to aware of the.

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Development, that's happening over there and the intent.

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Excuse me is to have a meeting with the state and those involved in the.

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Readiness center from the adjutant general's office, the national guard.

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Dgs commerce and also sha, so we're all on the same sheet of music on moving.

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Forward and the importance of again highlighting the 32 piece, so it was a.

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Very positive conversation, you know- and I think just a lot of energy and doing.

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What's right, so I just wanna make sure you're aware. No, that's great! That's.

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Great yeah, I think that it's has the.

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Communication improved as far as that readiness center goes because there was.

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None that's good, so so just two things that I have. I just.

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You know we heard from from the state highway administration that, if there's.

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Not a project in the pipeline; now it's not going to be so. We heard that loud.

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And clear and I'm hopeful that maybe that changes, because I know that there.

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Are some there is some talk about? Perhaps an increase in some highway user.

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Revenues so maybe they're looking at the entire package and secondly I'll be.

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Brief but in the interest of being consistent I say every year and I have.

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For the last four that I still don't understand, why 26 from 32 to the.

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Reservoir is our number one priority and I'm again, this is only in the interest.

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Of being consistent because you go down there and there's six seven lanes and.

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You're not going to change the reservoir there's there's a bridge, but yet when.

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You go to 97 out here. You got nowhere to go.

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And when you go to route 30, you got nowhere to go so every year. I say this.

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And, of course, I've been shot down for various reasons, but I'm just again.

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Expressing my my challenges with the fact that we've made something a.

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Priority above other things and there's no place to go on those other things on.

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Those other locations, so I'm not suggesting that we change our priorities.

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Because things are sort of been in motion, but it's only my soapbox and.

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Saying I still don't understand why we're doing that, I would rather put the.

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Funding towards 97 for 30. um Well again, that's the purpose of this letter. I know.

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Yeah, if there is an order, change that is up to the discretion of this board, to.

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Make those changes? I will say that, with this study that's being completed about.

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Perhaps I think redesigns our strong word but reevaluation of myr.

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1:26 there may be things that can happen that don't require full six lanes right.

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And I know, we've looked at suffice write to face the staged approach. I know I.

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Know and the safety concerns your dress and then maybe that is a pencils down.

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Then, and that's a cream is good for now. um Well, I just want to stay on record.

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Again, I don't understand why that priority was set in the way that what, in.

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The way in which it was so only looking out for consistent with constituents in.

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Other areas and dennis you you very well- and this is your district 7, I'm on it.

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Yeah you know I just I continue to be challenged with the fact that and I've.

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Been I spend a lot of time in eldersburg, my wife works down there and I go down.

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The six lanes- and I go down the two out here- doesn't make any sense to me.

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There's my ten cents. Anybody else you make thanks for representing your.

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Constituents I'm not suggesting that we change the order, because it's gonna.

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Throw a whole right monkey wrench into the system at this point, but I hope we.

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Hear the message loud and clear because honestly and I appreciate every effort.

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That the states were doing out here on ninety seven certainly do appreciate it.

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But it's it's! Here's my paramedic days coming back, it's like putting a bandaid.

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On a sucking chest, wound you're gonna go from two lanes to four and back to two.

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And the four lanes are from here to that door. So there's some suggestions for.

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Next year's letter well, yeah, perhaps I mean let's see where we go.

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With this- but I just want to- I want to plant that seed to my two new colleagues.

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As well, they may be food for thought. I think the study's gonna help yeah. It's.

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Good, we we need to continue to stay objective and, yes, we do have.

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Representation of our communities, but we have to look at this very much at large.

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And I appreciate that sentiment and that's why, having these type of studies.

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Objectively, saying is: what is the return on investment to keeping 26 the highest.

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Priority, or should it should it shift to another priority and I'm very open to.

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That but I think the study you know like you said when it comes out, hopefully.

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Will shed some light on that so and with the recent activity as far as economic.

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Development goes, I think I heard from somebody that there was a new company.

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Coming to that air-air park complex out there, that's gonna, throw another out of.

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The gate, I think one hundred one hundred people into the mix we're not throwing.

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Anything into the mix that down between the reservoir and and 32 well, not point.

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To point, but that I'm just thinking yeah, okay and I'm just gonna, let it go. But I.

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Have to say, did you brought it up, though, but before we put that into the ladder.

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To last board put that into about 97 right now, since we put that in we've.

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Gotten so much some help, but 97's we had. We didn't, have any healthcare before so.

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This is a big it's as positive stuff for ya, nice being inward. It's my district! I.

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Like seeing the top, but we are getting help with that- and things are moving.

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Forward 97 and again I don't want to poopoo the fact that we've gotten a.

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Great deal help out there that's a great job, but you know sometimes I think you.

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Got a relook at priorities, especially with the fact of realizing it in the.

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Not-Too-Distant future, we're not gonna, probably see any of these projects, because the fact that we've heard that there's nothing in the pipeline right.

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Now so I hope that changes too and that's why the sense of urgency is so.

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Important when it comes to safety and that's why I bring up I'm highlighting.

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Main street down sykesville, if there is a safety concern with that road, then.

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That needs to be addressed, and you know that that that's really concerning I.

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Mean it may be the smallest of the all the projects or even a lower level of.

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Priority but when safety comes into play we should be evaluating that and seeing.

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Where that she didn't fall in the higher on the priority list funding, it's two.

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Different kinds of safety, one is, it could be more in safety.

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There's actual structural, that's right! You're right.

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I appreciate that.

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All right next on the agenda for this afternoon is a feasibility study for.

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North carroll, high school property, I'm gonna, ask a director, jack, live burn and.

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Hold that thought for a minute jack, because we do have public comment on.

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This subject is that correct, so sit down jack commissioners, there hi roberta and.

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Everybody else in the in the group um today, I'm speaking as marsha herbert the.

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Taxpaying citizen of carroll county, a former education teacher and a former.

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Varsity coach of several sports- I do know the importance of home-field.

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Advantage, I do know the importance of high school athletics. I do know the.

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Importance of the arts, these activities keep children off the street off the.

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Drugs and focus and active in a sport or an art, we need a county events center.

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And we need hr field and we need a few other things. I know what the problem is.

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We have five commissioners and everyone wants it in their backyard or everyone.

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Wants it centrally located, but guys there is almost a 50 acre site that you.

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All own that has sewer has water has ample parking, has a track? Has an.

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Athletic field and many more athletic fields, it has a beautiful stadium along.

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With a beautiful stage and auditorium inside two beautiful gems band rooms,.

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Chorus rooms wrestling rooms, just the name of.

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The things that could be used on that site for a carroll county community.

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Event center: there we need to start somewhere and it should be at panther drive easy access takes no more than 25 minutes all.

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Over the county to get to that locality, I know parents in this county will drive.

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Hours away so their student, their children and athletics can participate.

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On a turf field or an indoor track- and this could really be in our backyard in.

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This past year there were over 500 athletic events canceled the carroll.

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County public school system, five hundred nine hundred dollars an hour to rent the.

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Pg sports center, seventeen hundred dollars to rent the hagerstown facility.

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Dave dolch gets the the win for it. Let's make a deal because he is always trying.

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To figure out where we can get athletic fields to finish our seasons in football.

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Alone, they cannot continue to postpone and postpone and postpone if they do.

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Then that's a loss for them and then most of the times they're out of the.

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Playoffs no home-field advantage. Eighty thousand.

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Dollars alone and believe it or not the indoor track, because we travel okay, okay,.

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Thank you got it: okay, mister library,.

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Commissioners, I was here and I to do a feasibility study on the former north.

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Carroll high school and the track, and now I'm not too sure where what I'm.

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Missing for now was, I was asking for to do a feasibility study to put an rfp out.

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To on the north carroll area of the track, so I guess I need some input on.

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This josh scope has changed since I said today, I may help you carroll county community events, center c, 3 c for future.

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It's too complicated the other way. We have a need here to locate countywide do.

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You provide some recreation and sports as far as the center. I gave you guys.

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Just a copy of a problem summary ltac recommendations, the positives here.

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Market community need and fiza buddies study in fields and buildings. I think.

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What we actually need to ask for here is the ability to put a committee together.

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With one person, from each district being the name given to roberto to start and.

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I'm asking the county staff to do this. Put the committee together to start a.

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Vision for this, what is our vision, where we're going to go and prior to asking.

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Sending out an rfp you on this, I think we have to have a clear vision that.

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Comes back to the commissioners to inform the board of the rfp procedures.

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Here that before we send it out, so we all in the same page that this is a.

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Possibility of what is going to be needed, then we got a go ahead of it. Then.

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You send your rfp out after we have the clear parameters on exactly what it is.

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So that we're able to make sure we know exactly what we're talking about and ask.

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You I think we need my opinion, a feasibility.

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Study on first to see, if it's feasible, to have such a facility in carroll.

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County before we put a committee together, we already have a good idea.

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I'll tack came up with what they wanted on this, but I don't think it should be.

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Just looking at the north carroll property, there's other places in carroll.

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County where this might hold be just as good, maybe a better fit for carroll.

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County, so I think if we're gonna have a feasibility study, it should be a.

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Countywide feasibility study on turf fields, indoor arena you know, put all.

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Include all the stuff live from home. You have read about six different feasibility studies in the past week or so that other counties put out and for.

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Similar kind of things and all the stuff that they're looking at, I think I think.

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We need a feasibility study first, because if it's not feasible to do that.

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In carroll county, then, why bother to put the committee together or do anything else with it, but if we can, if it's feasible to do.

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That if we have the population to support it, it's an easy or not. Then we.

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Put the committee together and then we look at it. That way I mean and again I.

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Don't want to look at just at the north carroll area, there's other areas. I was a.

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I was approached the other night about it, but I'm not going to throw them out.

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There, but there are other people that want would like to see if, if it could go.

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Somewhere commodores on this I mean you just can't so you have this. Let's study.

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You have to kind of narrow it down so that we know what we're exactly looking.

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Out here and we're only looking at one little field as part of this is not.

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Saying you know this is just one throughout the county. You know.

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Eventually, hopefully we have more than this, but we're kind of at a disadvantage.

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Compared to other, we are counties, we you want to go. Let me go I'm against.

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Spending any money on a feasibility study to get us answers that we already.

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Know we know there's a need for these, I'm not spending thousands of dollars to.

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Study something that we, it is already a need. I, what I would like to see us do is.

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Is push forward with something that includes a business plan that gets us at.

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Least, that first field, in talking with our colleagues across the state and I.

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Had the opportunity that last night there's a need everywhere, I.

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Don't care where you are so? First of all, I'm against feasibility studies period.

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Because it seems you know it seems like that's. The first thing folks want to.

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Spend money on: where do we get the cost analysis? Well, if we're gonna, do a study.

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Let's do it on that particular location, but to do something in that location.

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Yeah to see if it's it's gonna work there, but we know it's good. I mean.

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There's already actually for the feasibility studies are bred from other.

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Counties, I don't think it's gonna work there. That's one reason I say: let's look at other places because you read the other feasibility studies that done or other counties. North carroll campus is not the place to put it.

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Just if you read the other studies, which already have the only reason I know.

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There's a need, I'm not saying, if he's busy for a need, my idea, the feasibility.

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Study is what you're gonna cost. Are we gonna how much revenue we're gonna.

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Generate from it, what's in I mean the other thieves building sites, look at a.

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30-Mile radius around where it is, what can you expect to pull in that kind of.

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Stuff, that's what I would like to see. I know there's a need. Believe me. I know.

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There's a need that needs out there for not just one turf field. I would like to.

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Have three or four I like to have there's a lot of things that I've been pushing is, I would think everyone knows, for a turf field for years for indoor.

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Track and all this stuff, because I think that we need it in carroll county actually. But after reading this feasibility studies from the other.

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Counties, I don't believe north carroll is a place to put it. I could be wrong.

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That's why we need to study to say what is the right place to put words the.

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Right place to put this and then you know, but I'm not looking for a study to.

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See if there is a need, I know, there's a need. Ok, are we gonna make? Are we gonna.

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Try to break even with this is the money there. Are we gonna when we bond it out.

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Are we gonna be able to make money off of the may not make money off, but you.

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Know recoup our costs of running your facility? That's why I like to say, and a.

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Couple things one is you're right, I need has already been defined because.

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It's been put in the budget, the money allocated not spent but put it in the.

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Budget and then most recently, the delegation.

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Stepping forward to provide a bond bill, and I expect them to move forward with.

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That with understanding the matching money that could be available or is.

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Allocated so that by itself is telling me that we as a county and a community.

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Have said there is a requirement out there.

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I do believe like misha we were shared, is putting together a team from the.

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Community to county at large to further define what those needs are with a.

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Vision with a development idea with a absolutely a business plan, I'm all about.

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Return on investment everything we do, I don't you know jack. I do not believe.

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This would be for you to have this discussion and I think at first it's.

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Like putting a cart before the horse, and that's where we want to stop this and.

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Look at the resources we have in the county. You know time. People are money.

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Let's take the people and not the money. Let's take the folks built the task.

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Force come up with a vision, a business plan understand return on investment of.

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What the value would be in developing this complex from a turf field on and.

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Then and then and then go from there and I think participation from our staff and.

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From I always forget, the name dave ulchhhh.

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You know involved and from the the board of ed. I we're not going to ask you me.

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The public school system- I think, there's value I if we figure that north carroll.

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Is the best location for this? That's fine! If we figure it's somewhere else,.

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But allow the team to come up with those those kind of parameters of where we.

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Should go next, I mean I I think. Sometimes I don't like the process. How.

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We get to where we are, but if that's been a catalyst over the last week to.

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Get us to where we are right now, then: let's just move forward and put together.

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This this group from the county we can have one from each district or what.

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You know those interested coming together, give them parameter seen this.

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Is what this is where we're at so best week has been that the delegation.

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Stepped forward and said that they are looking to put a bond building and the.

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Discussion that we've had that opened the door to having this discussion today.

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Yeah, I just like to make a comment on that process for a delegation to put a.

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Bond braille forward that the county commissioner is gonna, have to pay for.

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Without coming and county commissioners, first, I think is the wrong way to go about it, I'm all for looking at her field.

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I'm all for looking at endor, we I've been pushing f for at least three years.

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However, I I what the delegation did I similar to if I want to buy you a car, I.

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Buy you a car and say what here's the bill? That's exactly! That's! If they're.

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Coming forward to go to annapolis and say you know what we're gonna get you five hundred thousand dollars, and here it is fantastic. That's not what you're.

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Doing is saying we're gonna do a bond bill for you, and here it is, and now you.

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Pay it back, they should have come to us first asked if we were interested in.

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Moving forward with that, I, like the idea, that's moving forward. The process was.

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Incorrect well, we've been sitting on this for a couple years. We in.

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Commissioner, rothstein was right here. It is backwards. The last week getting this.

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Together but it's time to either act on this or do something we just can't keep.

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Limping along the way we have- and this is a perfect opportunity to develop that.

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Community that community group and start to work on it if we're going to.

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But if we want to put a community group together that and trust me, I think.

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They'd be able to do it real easily within about 45 minutes. Last night I had.

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Talked to three different counties and what they have just gone through and.

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What they the money that they spent to get a couple turf fields that they.

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Didn't have before, and I also got the cost of what they are to upkeep and.

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Everything else, so it didn't gonna take much once you get some good folks.

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Together, you know merely phone calls to other jurisdictions. Well, we'll get a ton.

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Of information we can do that for free. We have five counties of his ability.

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Studies missions we've gone over and then I just started and I wasn't focused.

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On worth trying, when I came back to the feasibility study, if I could I had, I can.

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Tell you what I thought the feasibility study, I'm not saying we even pay for no.

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That's fine. Maybe there are good valuable resources as a starting gauge.

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Yeah, obviously yeah. The big question is, you know, which I reserve demand for a.

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Turf field and into our sports complex in carroll county, its its number one.

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Question at all the counties of ass- and we know the answer- is yes when that one.

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Analyzed market, including demographics, economic data area, employment and.

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Accessibility, that's important. That seems like all this us all these. You.

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Know us feasibility studies, say potential use of proposed turf field in.

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An indoor dome sports complex is that feasible, develop a competitive market.

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Assessment identifies market related strengths, challenges, opportunities.

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Associate with her proposed outdoor indoor sports complex and a cost of a.

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Turf field anywhere in a dome over to throw fuel, and that would be number two.

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And the economic analysis, ladies of opposed turf field in a new field, dome.

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Complex estimated economic impact in terms of spending employment, tax revenue.

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Acceptor, etc. I talked to audubon basu this morning and and he you know he did.

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The montgomery county, one with sage but there's, there's five companies that have.

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Done these feasibility studies that we have.

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That you knows other counties, so we have a lot of the interest. A lot of your.

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Questions already good the stadiums as the stadium authority has paid for these.

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Previously, these feasibility studies so mean unjust,.

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Well, whatever we're direction you give me, but I'm just saying you know, there's.

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So there's a lot of questions in a lot more financial to and return on.

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Investment also, okay. I appreciate all that data. We're definitely not.

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Montgomery county, so using montgomery county as a mile, I think, is no. I.

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Appreciate but I might have fredericton hagerstown that's right, but using all of.

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The feasibility studies, I think, there's a lot of value in doing that. You know.

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Focusing on the vision of where we want to go and there's no requirements.

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Developing and understanding the return on investment, along with the risk.

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Associate with doing this like cost of upkeep and resources that will be.

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Necessary in running this complex the people, the time and especially the money.

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And then also beginning to develop that business plan upfront you know like I.

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Said I think whether we got here a little bit backwards or wherever we're.

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Here and I'm looking forward to going forward to supporting the community in.

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Recognizing that we're listening to here's a requirement now, let's figure.

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Out how to move forward with this requirement and that's by building this.

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Team, so I mean, if I you know, I'm ready to make a motion to directing the staff.

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Just putting together this community task force to focus on the carroll.

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County community events center for a lack of any other term, would you want.

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Commendations for the each commissioner in that or not absolutely assignment. Oh.

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I apologize and.

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Of what commissioner frasier brought up, you know the having representation from.

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Leon, the county, I think, would be very helpful and maybe some of those folks if.

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You get it someone from the eldersburg area or someone from from mm-hmm silver.

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Run or wherever you get them from, you know the input as to where it should be.

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Or whatever will come into play to misters, I'm just here to get direction. I.

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Agree, you know they appear more confused and you got here just need direction so.

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We don't the other important that be right. I think we take and put this group.

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Together, as commissioner rothstein is suggesting, and then we go from there.

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Keep in mind also that a business plan is going to be very important because.

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Just because our legislators put in a five hundred thousand dollar bond, I'm.

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Not a betting man, but I would tell you we're not going to get five hundred.

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Thousand dollars, typically, when they put in a bond like that, you get a part of it.

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So that could happen, we could get the five hundred thousand, which would be.

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Fantastic but we may not so then what do we do? Then? There are costs associated.

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With making up the difference, because I can tell you in the in the information.

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That I received and just again 45 minutes last night, we're gonna need at.

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Least that the the analogy in looking at this you know just saying you got the.

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That psychology, if ego super-ego it, is without any boundaries. The ego is all.

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The restrictions you have in making your decisions and then the super-ego is.

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Combining the two and coming up with the best solution, I think developing this.

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Task force, or this committee with the staff support, will allow us to that base.

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The requirements understand the restrictions placed on those.

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Requirements and then come up with the best. I believe business plan and moving.

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Forward and the best folks to do that are those from all the different.

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Districts from within the entire county as a community and cost involved.

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Absolutely our staff working with them yeah so.

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Again, motion would be to direct the staff to.

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Establishing this community task force from the entire county from each.

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District to come together with staff support in developing a vision, a.

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Business plan or a basic business plan, and you know using the resources that.

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Check you're sharing these um would studies, disability, study, six or seven.

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Eyes abilities those using them as a basis is awesome and yeah, and then we.

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Just take it from there, planning is always better than genius. Is there a.

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Second to that motion, second, no, it's basing it on the requirement and it's.

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It's what is the best plan in moving forward yeah? I think I think it's.

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Important to have representation from all parts of the county- this is this is.

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Big enough and and as well, we can certainly look at that as well, but you.

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Know this, this could be very well be the first step, and maybe this group will come up with a way in which to find some money that we haven't been able to find.

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Before and the second turf field will magically appear and then we're gonna.

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Need another site, so it we just. I think it's important to get the input from.

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Around the county, as are just you know, we need representation, representation.

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From the rut councils, we need representation from the school system.

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And some private people out here to do this- I mean that you know what they're.

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Doing and operate into this today, we we perhaps we've got the motion in the.

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Second, so we're in discussion mode here, but we perhaps could could hone in on.

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Structure once once, we get the players yeah nope, no pun intended with the.

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Sports encompasses y'all, get that and, as I did there.

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And again, the benefit of the north of north carroll is there is, as it was.

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Shared from the public comment: 250 acres there.

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Is an infrastructure already in place? Now, I'm not saying that is the place to.

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Do this, but it's not about deterring an effort from one place to another. It's.

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Looking at the entire county- and I think I think we deserve to do that so for the.

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First term field, if it comes through.

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Well, you have to start somewhere and we're just looking at step, one and it's.

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Taking us two three years to get to this stuff, that's understand the parameters.

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Of the resources available, that's what that's what that is, that that was.

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Important painting the board of commissioners into a corner, give me what.

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This money, this is where it's gonna go. It is, I don't, I don't think, that's the.

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Way that we should proceed, it's almost like holding a gun to your head. Well, I.

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Agree, I don't like it. I agree with that part of it, but what I perhaps don't.

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Agree with is the fact that, at this point you know, we've got 50 acres.

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Sitting over there in a field, so it's kind of like the perfect storm. So I.

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Would suggest that we move forward and if we get the money use it accordingly,.

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But I can't think of anyplace else right now, where there's the availability to.

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Put in a turf field like that is ready, ready, that is, that is shovel ready, which.

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Licata already not it's shovel ready. There is another place. It's ready to put.

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In or field right now, you'll put it in carroll community college, but I think.

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Again, okay, come back, they've already got fields, it's already ready to it. You can.

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Put it right in it's just as easy as you can put it any way anywhere going back.

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To the intent of this motion that had already been second is to develop this.

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Community task force to do what we're talking about looking again at what are.

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The requirements, what are the resources where the boundaries already put in.

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Place like this bond bill, if this bond bill does come into fruition and we do.

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Get this $500,000 have the ability to match it. That is a very large resource.

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Available to our county to establishing something up in north in red northern.

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Part of the county right on it, and I'm positive of that. I know that that's good.

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The problem is, if, if indeed this group comes up with a better location, then we.

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Have to make judgment after this kind of community college is gonna need a place.

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To play to as they do their soccer, there were just seven colleges. I mean I don't.

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Disagree with that I mean jeff. I got a motion at second on the table here, so I.

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Want to be a little bit mindful how far we're going.

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But I will be as mindful as well. I just would like to point out one thing: we.

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We've talked about a couple of different things here today. One is a turf field.

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Specific to north carroll, high school and one is the ltac recommendations.

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Which is something much larger than that to do something much larger than that at.

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North carroll, it would absolutely have an impact on the local rec council.

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Programs they use that site now they use it extensively. So if we were to pursue.

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Something larger than just the stadium at the north carroll site. I think a part.

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Of that discussion would be, what do we do with the local programs who play.

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There now, okay.

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Thank you I'd like to if we move for, if this task force what happens next as a.

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Staff come before us with all the mechanisms or advise how to move forward.

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Or just goes for, and we start picking people what what takes place next after.

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We vote on this task force and how does it unfold? Well, that's why I mentioned.

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Structure I mean we've got to have the right people and it's already been.

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Suggested I think you went down through a list of folks and then it was also.

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Suggested that each of us choose someone from from each of our districts to also.

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Serve on that and then beyond that I don't know, I mean obviously our recs and.

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Park are gonna have to be involved, not just from the group of the folks that.

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Play or the folks that lead they can help facilitate right that task force. I.

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Think putting a public announcement out saying this is what we want to establish.

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But I'm not so sure I mean jack, I don't know what you would see your role here. I.

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Mean I don't know grateful, I'm only suggesting that you know that perhaps.

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This is more of the bailiwick of others, other than encouragement parks. Well, I.

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Mean we could certainly we're going to see some. I would think some revenue.

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This and it would be a great economic and in keep in mind, we don't let it's.

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Out, it's not your. We don't want a saddle rexton park either without a major.

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Undertaking that well, no, I don't know that I mean, I think the help and it's.

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Just the right thanks, but I don't want to poor jump back here- is make you angry.

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On me, I don't nobody want a representative from our department which.

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Correct me, yeah right there would be denise. Beaver problem serves a lot of.

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Committees who put everyone there yeah that was certainly right. You know be.

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When somebody, I think from mccann, are to them and there is to earn it there, there.

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Are private individuals would like to do a tour, absolutely county that have.

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Approached us to some, you know it's not all so to your question eric I'm not.

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Sure how many people would be on this task force? Probably too many well, the.

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Staff come back to us and debrief us and we're at with it. How would all.

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Structured, I'm really curious about the mechanisms how it unfolds whether.

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There's a timeline okay, so you guys will come back to us. I feel more common to.

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Direct the staff to establishing this okay, all right then come back to us as.

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Soon as possible, keeping in mind all the all the challenges that all of us have.

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Brought up here, will you know, address those as we we need to. Accordingly, all.

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Right, I got a motion in second any other discussion, all those in favor aye, aye. Commissioners. Thank you. Easiest thing. You've done all.

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Day, job all right, thank you. Okay, next, on the agenda is the discussion on.

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Whether or not we will be joining joining, I always have trouble with that.

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Joining opioid litigation, in whatever form that is this is something that's.

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Been brought up before and now we're gonna get a little bit more honed in on.

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This one, when you add up all the cost for public health treatment facilities,.

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Law enforcement activities associated with opioids emergency medical costs for.

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The treatment, emergency treatment of overdoses and the cost to the criminal.

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Justice system, the we're talking about a serious cash crunch to local governments.

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And states, and, as a result, some of the local governments and states have.

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Attempted to recover their cost by filing litigation against opioid.

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Manufacturers and in some cases, distributors and the theory they're.

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Using at the is that these manufacturers and distributors.

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Either mislead doctors or patients by playing down the addictive nature of.

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Some of the opioids they were manufacturing and distributing their.

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File, therefore, leading to an addiction crisis and that just to the ship due to.

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The sheer volume of the opioids that have been sold and distributed that they.

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Knew or should have known that there was an addiction problem out there and there.

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Was a an emerging black market and in these items and when you look at some of.

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The statistics or they're pretty jaw-dropping about the sheer volume of.

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Opioids shipped to tiny rural communities, small town, small counties.

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And towns and distributed through small mom-and-pop pharmaceuticals in these.

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Rural areas, the numbers are pretty pretty eye-popping as to the sheer volume of opioids. Now there are two avenues that the local.

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Governments and the states have been taking to try and recover these costs.

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The first one is to file in federal court. That's participating in. What's.

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Known as the multi district litigation and you file in federal court and your.

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Case is immediately consolidated with about 600 others and sent to the.

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Northern district of ohio to the federal court and there's a single judge, who's.

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Overseeing all these cases, all these cases that 600 cases that have been.

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Filed by local governments and states he's been pushing them towards a.

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Settlement but there has been no resolution as at this point, the first.

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Cases are scheduled to be tried, I believe in march no sir.

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Those were filed by cleveland and another ohio municipality in the multi.

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District federal cases, some of the states have states and counties, have.

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Tried to do a different angle, they've looked to pursue these claims in state.

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Courts in the states in which they reside.

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The theory is hey: uh if you file in a state court you'll get your your case.

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Heard by a local judge, as opposed to this multi district judge in in ohio and.

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That you'll be trying them through the the maryland courts, as opposed to the.

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Federal court in ohio and the theories that they're using are fraud. Negligence.

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Unjust enrichment, false advertising, deceptive marketing of drugs- that's one.

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Other avenue that people are pursuing in we have, I think, 11 minutes, 11 counties.

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In maryland, have filed lawsuits against the opioid manufacturers and.

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Distributors they're all in the multi district litigation in ohio. We have a.

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But doesn't, or so municipalities in maryland have filed also in the multi.

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District federal litigation: now the drug companies aren't just rolling over and.

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Writing checks, as I said earlier, they're fighting back hard and they're they've.

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Obviously, they're very well-funded they're taking the approach that, unlike.

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Tobacco, which was never a safe product that these drugs or opioids are safe, is.

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Used as directed, and it's not that in their opinion, it's not therefore,.

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That they're being misused by members of the public now you've been approached.

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That I have been approached by law firms and several lawyers representing other.

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Municipalities and counties and say, would you like to be interested in.

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Joining our litigation and they all of them, I think all the law, firms that.

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You've talked to, and I've talked to, they eventually work on a contingent fee.

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Basis, which means that you don't pay the attorney upfront and that any cost or.

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Attorneys fees payable to the attorney would come out of a recovery or.

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Settlement of the litigation and my stock response to these lawyers and maul.

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Firms is, I need direction from the board of county commissioners before I could.

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Even enter into any discussion with you about exploring this option, so that's.

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That's why we're here today, counselor has any anissa polities in the.

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State of maryland, taking the avenue of suing the opioid manufacturers in a.

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State court, as of now I don't have any, I could get that for you.

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We'd potentially be the first baltimore city I take that back. Baltimore city is.

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Pursuing it through the state courts now, if we followed, where would be the court.

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Of original jurisdictions, would it be in error, carol, can a circuit court or we.

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Have to go to a court of appeals, or it would be carroll carroll, county circuit,.

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Court: okay, unless again they decide to consolidate or if there's a bunch of.

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Them filed they'll likely consolidate it into one one litigation, but it would be.

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In maryland, yes, sir, we started a circuit court in state of maryland. Now you have.

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An opinion like maryland law for civil cases involving this type of case is.

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There any history, does it look good for us with maryland law. You have an opinion.

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On it, I don't, I don't really have much to offer and I'd like to talk to the a.

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Lot of good you are, I would like to talk to the attorneys and get their input on.

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It and get some assurance from them that this is either either option is the way.

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To go I'd really like to pursue this case in state court. It the maiko.

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Conference commissioner, rance administrator when I'm and I all sat.

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There and listen to her presentation and it seems to be favorable.

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Potentially, for us with maryland civil law, to win this case in state court and.

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Have a better ottoman settlement than if we were thrown into the federal system.

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So I'd like to see us pursue initiating a lawsuit against the opioid.

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Manufacturers and distributors in carroll, ke circuit court, so today or the.

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Request would be for you to move forward in attempting to find us the best route.

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As it is opposed to as it as it pertains to the litigation, yes, you would.

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Authorize me to speak to outside counsel about possibly pursuing right. Let's so.

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Either in the state courts right so see up until this point tim, you really.

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Haven't had the ability to do that, it was just a matter of you know you you.

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Being approached by whoever right and with a new board of county commissioners,.

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This is the first time you had a number two, so I'm not disagreeing with you eric.

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Because I think that that probably would be the best route to go.

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But today would be just okay, we're gonna, give you the authorization you move.

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Forward you get us what you think would be the best route of travel for us and.

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Then come back to us and let us know what that is: yes, educate us right and again I just think, and and you know this has come up.

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Before I mean dennis and and dick you you, you sat with me here when it was.

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Brought up twice before third time might be a charm I don't have, but there's.

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Always been that mindset of okay well, this is just like big tobacco, and you.

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Know we're gonna get all all sucked into that huge big large engine moving.

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Forward and we're not gonna, see anything anyway and it's gonna cost us and what.

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Would be the point, but I think this is different and you've already kind of.

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Suggested that and we've seen that across the board- and I think our.

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Colleagues across the state have also said that it's different. This is.

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Different, so you know for me, I'm typically.

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Concerned about resources, time fuel money. How are we now going to be.

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Directing your time as a very valuable resource to us and the community, so I do.

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Become guarded of that to ensure that we're getting the best return, investment.

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But well, but in this situation you know associating this this evil with you know.

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Again, my experiences with terrorism. Okay, back in the day, we had to apply.

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Everything we could to stop that giving evil and I don't think we're applying.

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Everything we can right now to stop this disease as evil, and if this is a step in.

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That direction, I think it's very valuable resources that you are.

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Investigating and pursuing this or are definitely warranted. So, commissioner,.

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Rothstein, I did speak to the frederick county attorney yesterday, john mathias.

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They're participating in the multidistrict litigation and I said what.

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Sort of time constraint, yeah time is this taking from your office, and he said.

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It's mostly data collection. You know they want to periodically they'll hear.

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From the law firm about get us your overdose statistics from your health.

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Department or get us your estimated visits from sheriff, you know sheriff's.

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Personnel, what is it costing you? They get periodic updates as to as to what.

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Sort of impacts that the opioid crisis is having on it, so it's not. It doesn't.

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Take an overwhelming, I appreciate that, but I mean, but the point is we're.

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Working on education, we're working on law enforcement, we're working on all the.

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Different avenues in dealing with this, what is evil it's just like terrorism,.

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And that's what it feels like to me is what other resources can we apply and to.

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Me, that's you and investigating, and pursuing the best approach.

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So I appreciate it philosophically the county suing somebody, I guess goes.

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Against my moral fiber and I originally voted against this, however, I am with you.

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100% now we need to do something and we have to.

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Get this stopped and whatever it takes to do it. We have to have to say thanks.

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Oh, we brought this up originally. My big question mark was that this is not like.

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To tobacco industry, because you have doctors that are supposed to be the.

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Gatekeepers before this gets out into the community, and if there was a way to.

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See the doctors that that overprescribed so forth, I wish we could do that, but.

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There's not a way to do that, but I've also learned in I, because I have.

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Researched this a bit is that the manufacturers, when he first put this out.

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Said that if you use this in the in the amounts that are prescribed, this was not.

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Addictive substance you'll be fine. That was incorrect information that was put.

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Out now whether they knew about it in time or not, but the information was put.

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Out was wrong; now I don't know if it was deceptive. I didn't go into all that, but.

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It was wrong. Information was put out there that people got. You know the pills.

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By the doctors and then eight or it became addicted yeah, I think if the.

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Information had been put out was correct in the first place I wouldn't be in.

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Favor of this of joining this litigation, but I am because of the information that.

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Was put out was wrong and it started, in my opinion, the whole epidemic. I believe.

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That the product liability is being held up in court against the opioid.

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Manufacturers is the most important element of our battle. We can treat.

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People we can do to law enforcement, we do to education, but as long as the.

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Opioid industry continues to produce new addicts. We just keep running around.

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Circles, so I think it's vital that this be important for us to stop this.

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Epidemic until we hold the manufacturers and distributors liable for what they've.

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Done to our civilization, we are just wasting your time, so the more efficient.

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You move for with this the happy odd, because there's plenty of people in this.

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Community are suffering and there's people out in the future to all be.

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Suffering and don't even know it right now, if we don't stop these manufacturers.

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From polluting their communities, so I'm gonna make the motion that we instruct.

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The county attorney to pursue joining ongoing litigation against opioid.

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And distributors and bring back the information accordingly. Second, any other.

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Discussion, all those in favor all right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Mr. burton okay, next on the agenda, is request approval for yes, okay! Well, let.

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Me say what it is. First, you got somewhere to be.

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Your what request approval grant application acceptance of awards.

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Retrofitting carroll counties, storm water facilities and we do have public.

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Comment on this, thank you wyndham. Thank you, richard's nature. Let me speak to you.

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Just for a moment, I like to clock them, keep it short. I am michael hustle. I am.

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The architecture representative, our to the engineering representative of the.

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Milestone valley, homeowners, association in south carroll and we've had.

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Communication with the county offices in the last few months about the need for.

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Our community, the milestone valley, homeowner association area, to be.

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Retrofitted and brought up to date, the community has been there for about 33 or.

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34 years now and the stormwater management pond and system that drains.

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Into it from other areas above us and higher ground has deteriorated over the.

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Years we've found that we've had to go ahead and spend some funds on our own to.

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Keep it clean and cut, and things like that on our own, just to keep it safe and.

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And make it look nice for our homeowners, especially those that surround the.

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Stormwater pond and things like that over the years, the development above us has you know, 30 years ago, the development above us wasn't even in.

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Existence- and so then that came in that community is very nicely done, but they.

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Have a large pond above us kind of thing, and we think that perhaps that pond might have done something about slowing the water down. I again, I've talked to.

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Staff about that over the last few months and was appraised at in fact.

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There was going to be something done to retro grade retrofit, rather the old.

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System, it's there now right now, there's a couple big metal mushrooms that sick up in the middle of the old retention pond. Of course, that was something 34.

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Years ago was what what we did and what? What folks like that did the army corps.

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Of engineers and water engineers did but that's outdated.

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I've been told by staff that in fact, after looking at it, they are going to do.

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Something about it, we're very pleased to know, there's about $275,000 planned for.

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Upgrading our system- I don't know what that's going to look like, so I'm here.

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Two things, first of all, thank you staff for for listening to us and listening to.

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Me that, in fact something was needed, a little arm-twisting to look. I know.

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There's bigger priorities, perhaps in the county, but to us that's very important and not only for how it functions but for flooding and how it looks. And we had.

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All kinds of snakes and everything, and that kind of thing and crawling up at the peoples yard. So we had to go and clean it up so hopefully in the future.

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The new plan, whatever that is, will minimize that or get rid of that and.

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Keep the water flowing the other thing. I want to make sure that commissioners.

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Know in the staff note we do not want to cut off the water level from flowing down up above. We don't want that to be a dried thing. Water comes through a natural stream comes through the people's backyards. I mean a lot of.

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Homeowners bought because that water feature was there many many years ago.

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Like I said, we've lived, 30 tiers. We don't want to lose that, so I would.

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Encourage you to look at that as you design it fully and then just I'm asking.

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Staff with your support and backing that staff contacts me at least from.

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Milestone valley how you coming along, because I'd like to look at it myself. I.

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Am an architect- and I also represent the community, so I can pass those plans over.

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To our residents- and that's all I have to say, and thank you for your time thank.

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You thank you, sir okay gail good afternoon, commissioners.

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We're here today to request approval for a grant application to the maryland.

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Department, the environment, for a program that we are looking forward to looking.

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Into retrofitting some of our existing storm water management ponds, brynwood.

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Windsong estates and millstone valley, the program is the bay restoration fund.

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And I'm gonna turn it every kelly. Let her talk a little bit about it, so we are.

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Requesting your approval to submit an application to the maryland water.

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Quality financing, administration, a restoration fund wastewater program, 1.

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Million three hundred twenty-five thousand dollars for a program, a.

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Stormwater retrofit projects to address the requirements of the county's.

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National pollutant discharge elimination system permit staff member your resource.

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Management is in the planning and design phase for these three projects, which.

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Gayle said bring wood and milestone valley in eldersburg area, district, 5 and.

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Win song estates in mountain area district for these projects cover 400.

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Acres of drainage area and over 60 acres of pervious area that will be treated by.

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The proposed facilities this grant requires a 50/50 match, so, in addition to.

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The 1 million $325,000 request there is a 1 million $325,000 match for a total.

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Cost of 2 million $650,000 this particular grant award, is it takes.

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Approximately 18 months for us to get information about the award because.

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These funds will be available in july 2020. So last year we submitted a similar.

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Application in january for 2.4 million dollars for for stormwater projects and.

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We were ranked 18 out of 97 and we found out last week that those projects have.

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Been included in the draft capital budget for the state, so hopefully we'll.

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Move forward to approval, that's good good news. You all do a tremendous job at.

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That we do so, do you have any questions the county match catch. We have that and.

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The budget already, as always, these projects have been listed in the cip for.

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A couple years now I just like to always ask that question. It's a great question.

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Okay, you've been a leader in storm water management in the state, in a real good.

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Track record: where have you been.

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These newbies did the answer. To that question is yes, we number one I'd like.

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To think that we are we're number one in so many I don't know we get knocked off.

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If you sit up there so we'll be ranked somewhere in the top, I like that in the.

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Top row this to me, the work you're doing is phenomenal and I appreciate.

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Appreciate coming in and you know showing me the work, that's gonna be done.

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The value and it's going to provide to our community I'd also appreciate the.

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Public comments on these needs because again it's it's another way and we're.

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Showing that we're listening to community understanding their needs and then taking action, so thank you very much I'll make the motion.

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That the board of county commissioners approve the submitted of the grant.

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Application acceptance of award, which the maryland water quality, finance and.

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Administration bay, restoration fund wastewater program style, second, okay,.

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Better now, good anybody pew happy all right. All in favor.

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Thank you. Okay, we're gonna quickly go over agendas.

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For open admin the week of the 28th monday, the 28th I'll be attending in.

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Representing carol at to the comptroller's reception and swearing in.

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Ceremony at 10:00 a.m. tuesday, the 29th health department, leadership, team.

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Meeting commissioners, rothstein and boucher at 9:30 a.m. and we have the continuing adventure of comprehensive zoning at one.

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O'clock and that's a work session wednesday, the 30th bynes myself and.

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Commissioner rothstein at annapolis and the carroll county tech awards career.

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And tech awards, commissioner boucher and that's at 5:00 p.m.

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Thursday, the 31st open session will continue with our agency presentations.

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Public schools, community college, the extension office, gypsy moth department.

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Of social services and health department, I always look. The gypsy moth guys are.

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Always so excited to be included with the community college in the public.

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Schools they love that, so god I love the way you all do that yeah it kinda is.

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Yeah last time, you've seen a gypsy moth. What I have seen one lately.

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Absolutely good point, commissioner: weaver all right, 11:30 a.m. I'll be.

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Attending the governor's emergency management advisory council meeting and.

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We'll probably be there for a good part of the day, but we'll see how that goes.

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Afternoon session includes policy adjustment for the housing.

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Administration plan more agency presentations, historical society, hsp.

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Carroll, media and mosaic more agenda items request approval for engineering.

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On the willow pond airport grant agreements design services for north.

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Pumping station testing and reporting services for fw tp, the department of.

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Public works and some discussion on johnsville road sidewalk project.

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Commissioner rothstein has the wtt our report.

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Anything for that week, all right, it's february already in two weeks.

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Really good grief, okay february, the fourth: isn't it groundhog day coming up.

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Whatever, anyway, tuesday, the fifth we're holding that open for a work.

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Session we'll see what happens at when we do this other one, whether we need.

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That or not what's the 9:00 a.m. it is okay. It is.

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Okay: okay, all right: okay, wednesday, the sixth mako and commissioner rothstein.

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And I again and then there's planning and zoning that evening and that's commissioner rothstein thursday, the seventh the ag business breakfast, did.

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Bothers commissioner weber, thursday, the seventh open session includes public.

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Hearing on the water sewer master plan, the housing annual plan grant contingent.

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Positions over citizens, services and we're going to get a progress report.

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From the cc visa workgroup, which is the future of fire and ems in the county,.

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That's separate from what we heard today we're a a subgroup. If you will of what.

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We heard today, then, at one o'clock we go into an environmental advisory council.

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Joint meeting it's down in the regen room and it'll, be in the regen room, 7:00.

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P.M. there will be people lined up for miles around to hear commissioner rusty.

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At the lions clubs own meeting in sykesville.

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And look, I got the commissioners report on dhoni ttr at 7:05 a.m. that I know.

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Town administrator of manchester steve miller tunes into every single. Thank you.

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I'm sorry what try? Yeah? Okay, yeah! Okay, this one ad! It's a beautiful rainy day!.

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Stop by the thanks burg, library, at seven o'clock, if you want to take bart an f.

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Pack, thanks burg area planning council tonight,.

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Tens of thousands lining up to get in so is their cookies. For you, there will be.

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Okay, all right we're gonna, take.

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So I took all their orders that his county commissioners.

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They are receiving state, congratulations to suit chambers and the rest of the.

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Gang and strauss very good, all right, we're gonna, take a 5/10 minute break to.

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Reset the room for an open work session, we're gonna have in reference to our.

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National pollutant discharge, elimination system program so we'll be back in five.

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He looks ready, okay, we are back, and this afternoon's work session is on the.

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National pollutant discharge elimination system, which most of us always hear.

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Npdes, so that's what it stands for those don't know what that is. So that's.

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Correct there was about a year and a half that I'm like what did he say, but anyway we're gonna get overview and.

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How we're how we're doing with that I'm gonna introduce got sure thanks. Yes, I.

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Want to thank you all for the opportunity to do this there's. This was a suggestion that came down to me and I love talking about this stuff, so I hope.

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Dinner's been called in, but we won't go there right now. Did you just say you.

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Love talking about this stuff, yes, which is why we are always at the top of you.

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Know exciting life I will say I'm joined today and it's a pleasure to have these.

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Folks, sitting here with me, gail engels, our beer chief of resource management,.

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She handles a lot of the actual in the field is getting a stuff done with the.

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Npdes permit we have glenn edwards, choose our mvds specialist one of two. We.

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Have glenn does a lot of the compliance making sure we're in compliance with the.

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Permit which is extremely critical in this permit, you want me to give a shout.

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Out to francis scott key high school right now, you just want to let I think.

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Is certainly wrote before we get to the next down home. I left many years. I've.

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Said fantastic things come out of francis scott key high school.

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And then to my left, we have someone who's wearing multiple hats. Hats today,.

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Mr. steve miller he's a town manager for the town of.

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Manchester and he's also the chairman of our water resource coordination council.

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And our partners here, our partnership with the municipalities, is extremely.

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Important to us- and I think something to be very proud of in carroll county in.

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This whole process and we're gonna we'll be telling you how that all works and.

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Steve, you know giving you some points of view and some of his thoughts on that.

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Process too, as we move, what we wanted to do today obviously have a discussion.

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With you with some feedback, but I passed out a little bit of a finally more.

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Called agenda: it's some things that we want to hit their high points and what.

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We've included in your binders for late night. You know insomnia nights, you are.

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We have the permit the actual permit, because we are a permanent jurisdiction.

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That's critical: we have the moa memorandum of agreement on ourselves and.

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The municipalities, which allows us to to work in a committee process that we are.

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With the permit, we have our latest annual report and we'll talk a little.

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Bit about that, because we are required to have annual reports and then we have.

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Some examples in the back of some projects and all if we get to that point, we can point them out. If not, you can look at them at your leisure, but just to.

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Start off, I want to give you a little bit of a little bit of history about the.

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Program, the national pollutant discharge, elimination system, municipal, separate.

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Storm sewer system, so it's mpd sms, for we are required as a county as a.

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Jurisdiction in maryland to have one of these permits, and there are actually ten.

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Jurisdictions in maryland that have these what they call phase one permits.

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Which are the largest most, I will say, owner's permits.

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That occur in maryland and throughout the country. Actually, this is a.

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Nationwide program there are different types of npdes permits and just to make.

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Sure we don't get too confused here. There are mpd s permits associated with.

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Wastewater treatment plants, so our municipal and our county ways for.

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Treatments have to have ways for the treatment plant and pds permits. That is.

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They are different, they serve the same purpose and that is to regulate point.

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Sources of discharges and pollutants, but it is different than our ms4 permit,.

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Which is the municipal separate storm sewer system? That is our borders, that.

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Flow through our storm drain pipes and through our stormwater ponds and then the inlets that people think just disappears because it does pop out.

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Somewhere else, and that's where it becomes part of our job to make sure.

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There isn't things bad going down them and and are things bad coming out of.

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Them there are also our construction mvs permits those. If anybody wants to go out.

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To sturb more than an acre, they have to actually get a mpbs permit through the.

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State of maryland to do that, perform a construction activity and then there are.

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Industrial still more npdes permits and those are certain industries- are.

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Regulated under the npdes permit, they have to get what's call to 12, sw or.

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There's there's variations of that they have to have a permit just for their.

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Operations and again, it depends on what they do if they store materials outside.

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They do certain activities outside, they have to have one of those permits or.

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They are supposed to have one, so I just want to make sure that sometimes you.

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Hear about these mps permits and there are actually, there are different types.

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This permit that we have in a lot of ways, requires us to manage, or have.

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Oversight over allow there's other permits, in mostly in an administrative.

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Standpoint, so this permit is, is very complex. It's very comprehensive. It takes.

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A lot of effort and ie a lot of money when you, the upcoming budget, you'll, see.

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Different parts of this program in that budget as well, I was wondering about.

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What costas we can take that right now.

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Commissure, I think around we spend around. I think it's two million dollars.

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A year in operating and we're probably three to four million dollars a year in.

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Capital home, yes, sir, it's a major effort and I can.

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Tell you we are probably one of the cheaper jurisdictions in the state of.

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Maryland almost five million dollars there, public funds rep something that's.

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Correct sir, a quick addition. If I mean I just want to make sure we're on the.

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Hook for it, we're not getting subsidized for it well now, you're. Having said that,.

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Your staff is excellent at getting grant the capital stock yeah very well, just a.

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Few minutes ago, the matching grants yes subscribe, so that leads to the question.

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Of that three million have we used all three million dollars well of that 3.

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Million explain how that operated the capital good okay, so the budget comes in.

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And we get approval for the different projects that were working on and then.

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We go out for grant funding right and then basically we spend the money, but.

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Then we get reimbursed the grant funds so to this point, we've been reimbursed.

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Close to seven million dollars toward the program that we've run for the last.

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Ten years and we now, we also have funding for an additional six million.

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Dollars, 13 million altogether of grant funding has been awarded to.

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Carroll county and then this next grant that we mentioned today, another 2.4.

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Million so you know, a lot of our program has been at least a portion of it. A.

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Large portion of it has been offset by grant funding, but that two point I mean.

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Where we're putting in half of that not all the time some some projects we have.

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80% funded by grant money and 20% funded by the county and some are 5050, and we.

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Always like to put something in because that shows a more favorable approach to.

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The grant funder for us to get the funds.

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It can include design yes as a cost share portion. Yes, that's a really good.

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News story: yeah: it's how we're one card in on the resources we had and to which.

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I like using other people's money and and you're doing that very well, and it.

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Is very competitive and it's getting a lot more competitor, because the other.

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Jurisdictions are act are starting to do a lot more get attractive, so it is.

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Getting competitive but one thing, I'm gonna, say right up front.

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Our folks get stuff done, yeah, that's the important part they get it done. They.

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Don't sit there and do a lot of planning on it in logs, I'm they get things in the.

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Ground and get projects finished in that. That is something that the granting.

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Agencies and the people who want to provide the money like sure, okay, so you.

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Know kudos to our folks to who are able to get things done when the money's that.

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Way over there after we expend all this money annually is their way to gauge its.

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Effectiveness: well, if I could, we don't necessarily.

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Spend it annually, I mean I want to make sure you understand that these projects.

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May take 2-3 years to actually do so. We may get grant monies and some of those.

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Monies are spent over periods of time as we move forward. So it's very hard for us.

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To say that the money we we we program for next year is simply going to be used.

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That year, it may be several years out, which is one reason why, with the capital.

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Process, it's nice that that money can be, you know, held there and we can use it.

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Because these projects they're very cumbersome, sometimes they're, very.

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Permanent intensive approval intensive and it takes multiple multiple years to.

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Get them done so at any point in time we're spending monies from both. Maybe.

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Some current funds- and some you know, funds that were appropriated, maybe.

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Several years before program, but once a program and really in the capital, I want.

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To say that you all program those monies ahead, which is great because then we can.

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Plan but obviously that can be changed at any point.

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I have been moved forward yeah. Sometimes you know we plan on x, number of projects.

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And then something falls off for a variety of reasons, but then we usually.

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Have something in the wings we can backfill it with, so it just depends so.

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It's a little fluid. How do we gauge your effectiveness, like the quality of the.

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Water reserve will not be exercised, it can. Can we hold off on that question and.

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Move here, because I think will answer my ah no no, no! No! No! These are great.

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Questions I know this is kind of what we're trying to do, and I appreciate that.

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I think we can answer you just in a few minutes here. Well then, you lay it out. I.

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Interrupt it, no, no, that's fun! Please do that's what this is all about, but a.

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Little bit a little bit of program history again, this is all based and.

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Rooted in the federal clean water act that responsibility by the clean water.

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Act is is delegated epa epa is thus delegated to the state of maryland. Ie.

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Male department, environment and the maryland proper environment has.

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Graciously wrote us a permit so that we can form all the work that is being.

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Required or needed for the federal clean water act so our first permit. We.

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Actually acquired in 1995, so we are on our fourth generation permit now, having.

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Said that there are five year permit terms, the math may not work out there.

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For you, but there's their five year terms, each permit is considered its own.

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Permit they can be administratively extended beyond five years and that's.

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What happened in 2010, there was a. There was a significant ramp up of the.

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Permitting requirements and process- and there was a lot of consternation amongst.

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The the permit ease, and so the permit was delayed and we actually didn't get.

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What's called what's our fourth generation permit right now until 2014.

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So we are entering our last year. We are entering we're in our last year of our.

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Current permit, we are due to get a new permit into one.

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20 so again, this is good timing, because you're gonna be hearing about our new.

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Permit, whenever they unveil it to us, which they have not yet you'll, be.

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Hearing a lot about that as we move through 2019 here, the the how we, how.

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They measure there's a whole litany of things that have to and we'll talk about.

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That a second but how they measure a good portion of success and a lot of its.

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Based on cleaning of the chesapeake bay is the mitigation of impervious surfaces.

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Impervious surfaces or all those blacktop routes, sidewalks anything that.

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Does allow water percolating grounding the sir impervious surface and I think.

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We're going to talk a little bit more about that, specifically as we move along but needs to say we have a certain amount of that impervious surface. That.

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We had to mitigate in our 2005 to 2010 permit and now this new permit, which is.

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Actually, 2014 to 2019 from we have more and again we'll talk a little bit more.

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About that, because it's it's somewhat complicated even to us as we've proved.

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Through the process but needs to say that is a surrogate that they use for.

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Cleaning up nutrients all right, so they assign certain amount of nutrients to.

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The impervious that you treat or you you manage, and so that's the gauge that they.

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Use and will I say, will explain it to you. I think when we get in our annual.

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Report here will kind of explain a little bit more touch. You have a hard time understanding how these most well, I I understand it a little more yes, okay,.

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But but but going to the permit, we'll start out with the permit here and again.

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We're not gonna look at the whole thing, but what we want to do is highlight a few things and you know in the first page of it the main thing I want to.

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Point out to you is right at the top under the permit area, we are actually.

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Now this permit to 2014 front was the first permit where we are co. Permittees.

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Or we have co committees, and that is our municipalities and steam is one of them.

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And so it was a good union and maybe steve if you want to say a few words.

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About that in we can, but before 2014 we were just.

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Permit ourselves, the municipalities actually had their own permit and and.

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With the exception of probably your larger municipalities, when you're.

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Looking at the smaller municipalities, we just don't have the staff to handle this.

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And through the wrc see and we were able to made up with county staff, we were.

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Able to come under the umbrella with all the municipalities and the county, it was.

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A it was a good deal for every municipality and the county to work.

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Together on something like this, and I think that's what we're looking at the.

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Towns with the smaller staff just could not handle this yeah. It was. It was great.

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That we, we all came together and we'll take, also unique in that. I think we're.

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The only county that does have a combined collectible- yes all right, yes,.

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There's some that have some of them in not all like. We do and we'll talk about.

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That moa here a few minutes, I'm sorry! No! No! No! That's great we're. I think we're.

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Very proud of that, because and we'll discuss that also on the first page down.

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At the bottom under part, three of the work quality- these are the things these.

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Are the items that they say we have to achieve or work towards and I'm always.

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Gonna say we are working towards compliance if I ever say we're complying.

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Or whatever smac mean things about me? Well, I don't.

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Want to say it because you're always working towards compliance you're, always.

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Working towards you all right, it's very hard to achieve perfection with.

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Something of this magnitude is like the answer, a politician with you or someone.

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Who's heavily regulated. Thank you. Yes, okay. Keep that knot all right, so we are.

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Always working towards compliance, and so under the water quality section error.

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You know number one: we have to effectively prohibit polluted stormwater.

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Discharges or authorized discharges into our system.

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The ms4, which is our storm drain system, alright, and we have a defined one and.

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We'll talk about that here in a few minutes, but this is why I say we're.

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Always working toward compliance effectively prohibit pollutants. That's a.

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Real, if you look up the definitions of some of their words, you'll see that.

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That's pretty interpretive as to whether you're, effectively prohibiting think.

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About that you either prohibit you don't, but if you're effectively prepared, I.

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Know, I'm not sure how you do that, it's very so again, that's why we're always.

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Working towards effectively prohibiting oh hang on.

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Alright number two: there we have to attain waste load allocations for.

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Established tmdls without getting into tmdls too far, total maximum daily loads.

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Are those measures of certain substances in water bodies there's a threshold that.

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Has been determined that you should not exceed and if it exceeds that you have.

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To do all you can to reduce it. Carroll county has its share of tmdls with.

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Nutrients of bacteria and lots of other things, and so we are required to work.

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Towards meeting those tmdls numbers bringing down those numbers to meet.

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Theirs, maximum or novel amounts and the water bodies in carroll county there's.

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We have individual ones for our streams and water bodies and we have the overall.

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Bay effort that were responsible for through this permit all right so again.

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We're we're responsible for attaining that quite a chore, and then we also at.

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The number three is the catch-all we have to comply with everything in this permit again, 19 page permit without the appendices.

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If we move on to a page three that tufts starts up about management programs.

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Under the management programs, there's the programmatic things now.

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There's things that we do as processes throughout the day and throughout our.

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Throughout the work we do here and then there are technical things actually.

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Things that they, you know want us to actually achieve, or do from a technical.

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Standpoint and if you turn to page four one, I just want to highlight one: it's.

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Called the illicit discharge, detection, elimination, I'm elektra and maybe when.

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If you just take, master, may briefly describe what that is sure. Just right.

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Underneath number three there, it says carroll county shall continue to.

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Implement an inspection and enforcement program to ensure that all dish to all.

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Discharges to and from the ms or from the storm drain system that are not.

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Composed entirely of storm water or either permitted by mde or eliminated.

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Collection, illicit discharge, detection and elimination- it is just like it.

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Sounds illicit discharge, obviously, is something that doesn't belong there, so it's stormwater, runoff mm-hmm. It may be. He.

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May be said it many, maybe oils or something like that. That's on the surface when storm water hits it and collects it and pushes it into the storm.

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Drain system: that's okay! A contaminant that shouldn't be there.

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And also there are times when there may be a connection or or a something. That's.

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Entering the storm drain system that may be permitted by mta if it has a proper.

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Permit for it and they're within their proper requirements for the limits of.

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That, then, that that's an acceptable discharge to and/or from the system and.

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Also and then and then the goal again is to is to eliminate those contaminants.

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Once we find the source of it, contact will work up a storm drain system and.

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We'll track up, that's don't map to storm drain system that we have and we'll.

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Check with the you know either be residential or commercial or business.

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Related and we work with businesses come alongside to businesses a lot of times.

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They're not aware of the regulations, so our our general approach first is.

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Voluntary compliance and explaining the regulations to them give them an.

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Opportunity to make the corrections, if need be, but 99.9% of the time we get.

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Operation- it's about forty to fifty percent of my time and his two.

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Components to it, there's the complaint, in other words, is someone complained yet to respond, but we also required to monitor. We have to go.

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Out and physically look a certain number of outfalls.

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Per year to see, if there's any list of discharges there so regard, there's.

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Something there or not, we have to go out, take a look than sure, there's not something there. What are the incentives for compliance.

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For visitin compliance for the flip side, what's the not only violation of its.

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Penalties, it depends on which dirts they're stitching you're talking about.

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In our guidance document, we work with nuts just not carroll county, but we.

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Coordinate and work with illicit discharges and all eight municipalities.

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So working through the code and so forth in the carroll county code, the we seek.

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Voluntary compliance. We send a notification out if it's not responded.

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To then, if there's an issue that needs to be cleaned up, then we have our.

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Opportunity to to go to the next we're stringent enforcement into we can clean.

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It up ourselves, but then we we would send them the bill for the cleanup and.

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So forth cleanup they make good. I mean, I think, there's different mechanisms. We.

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Have our zoning so, if they're doing something that violates leavening and.

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Creating that that we certainly could take that pad, we actually do have, and we.

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Do have our chapter 53 of our code, which is the environmental manager storm sewer.

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Systems and basically in there it says that you can't do these things. You can't.

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Discharge into our system, and we can, we can take enforcement action, you know and.

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We can go the whole route of you know, submitting it to the connector knees.

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Office upon that whole problem, I will tell you to date, attacked me from all.

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Them we've never had to do anything like that. We always get people we work with.

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Them we get people to clean it up if it's egregious enough and date, we may.

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Have to refer to mtu the marathon bombing if it's a hazardous material, we.

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Reserve and ii people wanna be good stewards of our environment, but are.

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There programs to incentivize companies or businesses to be more.

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Proactive in better stewards of our environment, I mean we've made several attempts at that. We have had several public meetings.

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And things where we've notified businesses that come in we'll help you.

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Explain it we've had what I would say is a marginal response to that. You know, but.

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We we do have the opportunity to work with people and again glen is very good.

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At going out, he provides them informational. You know for sure, on how.

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To operate your business and stay in compliance, so we try to avoid the.

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Situation, I will just say: carroll county is, is good, I mean we don't have the.

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Issues and problems that right are very obvious when you drive into some other.

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Jurisdiction so, overall, I think the county is good. Stewards of the.

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Environment, a lot of the instances that glen has to.

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Deal with, I think, are where people maybe are washing vehicles or things that.

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They're not supposed to be on they're, letting it run in the storm drain and just takes giggle. I'm saying don't do that again, you know you can't do that in.

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One of the one of the things that we're looking at and we're trying to get off.

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The ground is to reach out to mmm to businesses that may eventually go over.

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Maybe into 80, hoas and so forth is a kara, clean water partnership program.

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Which would be an opportunity for it basically would be for it on businesses.

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To basically sign a pledge that we pledge to do good housekeeping best.

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Management practices around around our business to try to prevent pollutants.

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From getting into the local store marina, by doing so, I think said it for them.

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Which is perhaps maybe a marketing saying that we're and we're in it for.

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Our community and local streams- and that's this- is our pledge to it that.

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Would be nice, I think steve you've had a couple. Yes, let me jump in here real.

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Quick, my hats off to your county staff, because over the past I don't know how.

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Many years probably conservatively we have, your county staff has trained over.

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250 county and municipal employees, so those are eyes out in the field. I've.

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Been in this business for 40 years, storm drain was designed to carry the.

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Water off the street and everybody was happy. You were sent out there to clean.

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Leaves and grass off the storm drain. Well now our people are trained, hey.

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What's this orange substance down in the storm drain uh-oh, we got a problem. Okay,.

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We have to trace it back. That means a lot we've actually had to in our.

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Jurisdiction, one is now that's been turned over to mde and the other one.

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Turned out where we worked out with the glen had worked it out with the business.

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Owner and got it taken care of, so those are the kind of things that you have to.

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Remember you have more eyes out in the field and and they're there looking for.

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These problems, okay, so moving on here, you know, if you turn to page six.

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There's several items there and I don't want to spend a lot of time on them right now, but there's property management maintenance, and that is a.

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Very broad category right now, but the new permits gonna tighten down on that.

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And basically, we have to be more cognizant of our own operations, our own.

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Operations being county operations on on our properties and how we manage to run.

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Off or don't manage it and what we put on fields of what we put on impervious.

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Surfaces and what we don't so we're not hypocrites! There's that yes, but there's.

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Also, the fact that we're being held more accountable with this permit all right.

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And again, some of these are not specific and we we beg for specifics. I hate to.

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Say that in a permit, but we actually have begged, because if I'm gonna have some of these things, we need to know what you can and can't do, and so the.

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Next, permit will actually, I think, tighten down this, but you can read this.

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But the bottom line is the takeaway. Is we have to be more responsible and we're.

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Held accountable in this permit, one of the things I just want to make sure you understand is that the work we're held accountable and I'm gonna get to the.

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Penalty section of this and you're gonna see why we sit here and I'm gonna.

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Reiterate that that this is a very serious permit and we there's.

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Things in here that we really have to be cognizant. Having said that, when I say we.

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It's not necessarily you, but us as staff. We take this very seriously and we are.

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Going to do everything we can just to stay in compliance or the drive work.

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Towards compliance and us as municipalities, because we're all in this.

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Together and the municipalities know: hey folks, you mess up we're we're in this together so and that's that you know makes us.

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Very aware of, what's going on history management plan, you have to have those.

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If you have properties that you apply nutrients you're supposed to have nutramigen plant and we're actually supposed to report that we're not that.

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We are reducing nutrients, which is a very difficult thing to do, because we're.

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Too, here you know, commissioner, it varies so believe it or not. Most of our.

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Municipality recommendation facility does.

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Yeah we don't management plan, we don't. We don't apply a lot of nutrients on our.

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County lands at all, which is a good thing, most of grass grows and cutting, and it can replace itself. I don't put any.

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Nutrients on money, artists, it's self-sufficient its sustainable public.

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Education, a big component, it just says that we happen to have a program, and I.

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Think we're very proud of that and when we get back in here to the report, I'm.

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Gonna, let gayle tell you a little bit back because we're very proud of some of.

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The public education pieces we're doing and then moving on onto page seven. This.

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Is where it gets into the technical part of the program? There's other.

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Programmatic things, this is the technical side. We have to do things we.

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Have to create plans and do we have to assess our watersheds, which is actually.

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Complete and again we'll review that with you in a few minutes and we have to.

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Do plans to actually restore and bring our waters back to where the state says.

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That they need to be, and so we have to have very specific plans and the plans.

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That we have right now are being reviewed by this 5mv.

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We haven't finalized those plans, but each of our watersheds, nine of them, have.

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To have an individual plan to restore them and bring them back. We have nine.

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Identified watersheds, we do but six of those have water restoration plans.

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Because six of those have tmdls, so you only have to have water shed plans.

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Restoration plans before the ones that have a tmdl, currently okay and on page.

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Eight number two b, that is the place where it.

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Requires us to mitigate a certain amount of percentage of our impervious surface.

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Again that that's the surrogate that you use for cleaning up nutrients and so.

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Without getting that too much detail, we had to map all of our impervious.

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Surfaces in any of those that didn't meet certain criteria, we're required to.

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Mitigate a certain percentage of that and that a lot of the projects- that's.

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Your simple all the projects that you're seeing and proving that's the goal is to.

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Get neutrik reductions and impervious reductions that meet this requirement.

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All right and then the final thing that we have to do, which is actually on page.

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10, under the technical side, we actually have to do physical modeling. We actually.

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Have to go out there and our people have to measure the water quality measure and.

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They have to do it during storm events. They have to do it during dry clothes.

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Some years it's very challenging this year they have more than I think they've.

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Had a problem with to high school implodes that example, it come on face. It.

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Dry time, yes, the dry clothes are more of a problem, but they actually, they have to.

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Do chemical, biological, physical monitoring of our streams, and so they.

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Spent a good amount doing that process, and one thing I will.

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Say in carroll county we do a lot of our permit in-house. That's not necessarily.

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The case in other jurisdictions- and I think, if you were to compare costs to.

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What we're doing with other jurisdictions you'll see our costs are.

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Dramatically less because we do a lot of things in a so, we have great people.

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They're doing a tremendous amount of work here so that that's all done.

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In-House all right, the actual analysis of water is done outside, but our people.

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Set up the sampling stations, they run all the things they go out physically.

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Collect it and measure the stream flows and do everything there outmost rainy.

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Rainy days they're outside of him in the streams.

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What was it testing that one miss grundy was talking about the purpose perked.

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Perk test is their septic right. That's that's different! You do not do that.

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That's right, barb, that's all helped! That's correct possible! That's! Okay!.

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How do you set up like permanent sensors, the stranger you physically, I can do.

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This right, we do, we set up stations in the stream. We have actually sheds I've.

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Have equipment in them that do automated monitoring right right and there's.

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Weir's in the stream to measure the height of the water and and that sort of.

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Thing so we have stations set up, probably I'm gonna say in 20 spots.

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Around the county, if not more, just monitoring for this program as far as.

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What's required here, but we also monitor a lot of our stormwater facilities to.

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See what the types of facilities that we're, using what they're doing, if.

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They're, improving the nutrient reductions if it's, if it's better than.

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What they thought it was that can maybe then show that those numbers should be.

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Higher for nutrient reductions based on the type of facility that we're.

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Installing so we have a grant currently that we're working with the center for.

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Watershed protection on our on our apples of our stormwater.

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Ponds rust, restoring the stream channels below without actually getting into the.

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Stream itself, so that's one of the things that we're really tickle about.

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Being involved in and we're moving toward a finality with that in the next.

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State we're the only one in the state doing that we're hoping that we believe.

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It will be successful and it has been successful and that it will that it that.

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We will be able to show that it will be the best practice for that kind of.

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Stream restoration, commissioner, I will have to admit at our december w rcc.

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Meeting the gentleman the staff member is byron madigan, that does their testing.

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And I knew there were a lot of stations out there that they were testing, but he.

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Gave a little talk to the group and I'm sitting there, I'm like you, I didn't know.

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That I didn't you know, and I was embarrassed for myself because I'm sitting there you got to be kidding me they did yeah yeah. So it's really in.

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Detail and in depth good job, they do a nice, they love what they're doing.

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Commissioned the rain onto page 12, one item: I want point out here g, it says.

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Program funding and what I want to point out there is that we do have a a.

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Requirement in this permit, it says number two adequate program funding to.

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Comply with all conditions, this permit shall be maintained. Lack of funding does.

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Not constitute a justification for non-compliance with the terms of permit.

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That's very important that sets the bar there that we have to do our best.

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Efforts and we can do to comply with this permit or maintain compliance of.

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This permit so I like to point that out it's right there, someone, black and white.

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That that is one of the components now you can maybe argue about how much.

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That is, but again there has to be a certain amount funding and there's.

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Another component to this that I really don't want to talk about today. The state.

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Passed a law in 2012 that we actually have to provide them.

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What's called a financial assurance plan to make sure that we're funding this.

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That is not part of this permit, but it is a step four separate law that the.

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State passed that we have and provide for this and every other year we have to.

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Provide a very detailed financial assurance plan, it's just what it says.

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That we're going, we have been funding and we will fund this program to.

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Adequately cover our permit requirements, and we just did that right before the.

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Two new commissioners took on in november late november week. We we've got.

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That approved, you have to have a public hearing and we have to send that into.

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The merrill fire environment so you're gonna, hear more about that. I won't go.

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Into that, but when they come when the report comes out, which is do the marilyn.

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Legislation, the governor will make sure we can bring it to you and can we do.

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That with you moving on to page number 15, this is this is not one of my.

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Favorite parts, it's enforcement and tellings main thing to point out here is.

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They're, both state and federal penalties that can be incurred and there are both.

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Civil and criminal, and that again, is why we take it very seriously. Just real.

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Quickly, we did have an audit of our program performed in 2011 by the epa.

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Environmental protection agency came in, they spent three days writing three days.

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Here, 16 of them came, they gave us two weeks notice.

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It was very rigorous, very interesting, never been before.

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Glendon hood was only here. She worked area time six months. I welcome aboard.

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But I will say that they did it all: the jura, spectre, tenders,.

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Maryland everybody got some type of penalties and fines. We did to our.

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Program, you know they can that's, why I always say working towards compliance.

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Because if you look hard enough, you can always find professor, and so they were.

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Not going to leave any jurisdiction unscathed, I don't believe, and they I don't think they did, but we were able to reduce our.

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Fines down, but I need us to say I just want to emphasize the fact that it can.

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Happen- and it is both the state and federal level which were yeah. How.

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Painful was seventy, one thousand dollars is what we negotiated down to it started.

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Over it started around one hundred and forty one thousand, and we were able to.

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Negotiate down? Okay: um there was one time where a inspection report was not.

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Filed for a certain job and said, one incident prompted you no sir. There were.

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Numerous penalties and they added up to that amount, but one item: I believe this.

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Was finally you guys tests for they visited our landfill and they visited.

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The scrap, metal pile- and there was a there- was a lawnmower sitting there and.

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They went over and pulled a dipstick out lawn mower and unfortunately there was.

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Some moral on it they're supposed to not we're not they're supposed to not have.

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Water gas in the mowers- and that was a long time ago- okay, but but there were.

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Items those were some of the more but there was you know just that we didn't.

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Have say some of our database is complete and all now having said all.

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That we took that as a tremendous learning experience and we have we most.

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Of those, especially programmatic things, we've resolved there. We are a good shape.

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Now but I'm not gonna see him tell you if they came in two weeks now that they.

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Were they wouldn't it's just it's very difficult. If you.

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Look hard enough, you know these fundable and they do if they're gonna come for.

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Three days with 16 people, they're gonna find they don't walk away from me or.

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Something so it's kind of, like being you know, a business and getting the osha to.

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Come in with you, they'll find something we are somewhat concerned business. I.

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Think from a perspective of this permit, I really really yeah. I can yeah, I mean.

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The penalties are quite stiff, you know, they're the 10,000 per violation per day.

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You know and they're multiple instances and again the state and federal court.

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Both can can pile on to you there they can both. You know do that and again I.

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You know emphasizing their other criminal penalties, so if there's anything that's done knowingly and maliciously, I'm not. You know a legal.

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Expert but those items can also be be assessed again just so you understand.

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That we take that very seriously and believe me, I hate to say this, but that.

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Audit there's some of the best thing for some of us. The folks you see sitting.

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There table we really started in this program and ernst in 2008, so when the.

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Epa came, we were in the process of trying to moister the program and of.

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Course that was a little signing thing, even a little faster. So again, I think.

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We're at a good spot right now, but I can't guarantee that things would have.

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Been we wouldn't be negotiating reductions in something.

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Okay, that's the permit. There's a whole nother appendix just attach that which.

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Is not really pertinent, but at this time well I just want to make sure you have.

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The opportunity to see it and view it if you have any questions you know in the.

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Future or now we'll be morning, glad we're very familiar with it, but just.

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Keep in mind it's gonna change, probably in a year so they'll be in a while it'll look very similar but needs to say it'll, probably more strenuous.

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Would you agree, I mean I've never seen as norman go backwards. Yeah there's no.

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Doubt it is just one point: five standard you're trying to yes, yes, with the.

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Nutrient reductions- yes, that's seven, no we've always basically been working on.

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2025 it's just this midpoint is where they assess it. They said how do what are.

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We doing, and of course that was supposed to be a 17, but they still haven't given.

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Us numbers yet where everything is okay. Okay, I want to move on to the moa the.

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Next item in your binder, this is the memory and agreeing between ourselves in.

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Municipalities again a mine, what I think it's become somewhat of a monumental.

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Effort when we found out that the count we're actually going to get more.

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Strenuous requirements put on them, there were going to be almost equal to us because the permit they had originally before 2014 was was less stringent than.

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Ours but the state was anticipating, was and had draft permits that were going to.

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Be justjust pretty much destroys all right correct, and so we hustled around with mystic eyes. That said, do we want to go together.

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And the the answer that was yes and so that the water resource coordination.

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Council was charged with putting something together and what I can tell.

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You from the time it started until the time to sign, I think, was about eight.

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Months, eight months put this together with all miss patty's and the.

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Commissioners and all and get it signed in eight months now may sound like a.

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Long time, but I've got 30 years here and I think that was incredible feat to get.

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From point zero to this month's, you know steve, maybe you steve was involved in it.

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Very very intimately the whole time yeah when we started the front well, when we.

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Started the wrc see it's like you're bringing o8 municipalities and a county.

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Together, you know you're gonna, have you know nine different opinions and a.

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Health department, but I mean when we when we started this, the wrc see meshed.

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Together very well and then, when this item came upon us all, the municipalities.

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Were looking at each other, a neighbor, spatter and said: what are we gonna do?

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What are we going to do and and really you're right tom eight months does seem.

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Like a long time, but it went very smoothly and you had always.

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Municipalities at the table, agreeing with county staff working together and.

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As I said before, everybody's in this together, I mean this just isn't we're.

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Does not manchester's hanging out there to dry or 2010 or whatever weirdness.

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Together so again, we're starting the next generation and we're starting this over again, and I think we'll have the same.

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You know a working relationship with all you, municipalities in the county again.

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So I can't say enough: you know with the way this worked out for us so yeah, so we.

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Will be looking to rio this this coming year, because the new permits coming out.

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So again, the reason I kind of emphasize it to you is because you're gonna be.

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Seeing this and having discussions about this and keep in mind the eight months.

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That was, that was a county attorney and eight municipal attorneys reviewing this.

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Document, alright, so again, eight months! So if you turn to page six in the.

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Document it talks a little bit about there between the coordination and.

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Responsibilities with the water resource council and basically what what we laid.

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Out here was that we would work together and all the projects and all that this.

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Document would oversee would be vetted through the board of resource.

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Coordination, council- and we would be basically all in agreement with with.

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What's happening and gale, she gives a report. Every month we meet monthly with.

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The water resources she gives report every month of the progress of the.

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Municipal projects, you know every where they're at from the beach sign to the.

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Final and gives a report of everything so that number five there lays out that.

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Whole process of how we're going to do the projects and all- and we also.

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Committed because we can do projects pretty much around the county, we also.

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Committed to doing fifty percent of what the municipalities responsibility was.

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Inside the municipal boundaries- and I think you want to talk- I've actually.

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Seen it that most of the municipalities, we have gone over the 50 percent, because.

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We've established projects that have we've, we've got a project in each of the.

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Municipalities that we're currently working on, we got a grant from dnr for.

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Cost-Sharing for each of those projects for million dollar grant from dnr and.

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All those projects need to be completed by december.

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This year and the projects we looked at were ones that gave us a lot of credit.

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So that we were would exceed that 50% of what was required in this moa and we're.

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Very close to, like I said by december, we should have all the projects completed.

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At least one in each of the municipalities that that exceeds that.

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50% requirement- this is an example. Steve just gave us of the report. That is.

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Issued every week every month to the wrc and if you turn the page back to page.

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Four, I apologize for going back, but number four. There called about the.

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Costume and fiscal receipt, and at the time when this was created, the county.

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Agreed to pay, eighty percent of the capital, cost and municipalities would.

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Contribute 20% of the capital costs for these for all the stormwater, and it was.

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Based on the amount of impervious the municipalities had, it was basically.

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Prorated, for that, so it was, it was somewhat of a complicated process, but it.

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Turned out, I think, to be very simple: we went through a lot of iterations where.

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We very complicated and- and we actually I think, simplified it some and if you go.

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Back to page 15 in that moa, that is where, in this agreement, it is laid out.

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The actual all the costs, all the responsibilities are laid out so exhibit.

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B shows how its laid out through that the the term of the permit and then.

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Exhibit c actually then says: there's going to be, you know a 5% increase.

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Annually, in the cost, sharing that we have, in addition to just what was.

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Originally decided upon so it's laid out each year and it is.

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Memorialized, each year in yorktown county that zum wohl sign with the municipalities and it actually there's a.

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Section in there about the national pollutant discharge elimination system and for each town, then it refers back to that table and immortalizes it in each.

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Year that those funds are allocated back to the county for use for mtbs purposes,.

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So I think it's a very good partnership, a very good partnership that we have.

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With municipalities, including these projects, it makes our job. I think.

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They'll, stop very seamless. You know from a working standpoint because we don't.

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Have to worry about dues, turf, we're on or whose watershed we're in right. We can.

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Just go do thing mr. group, and then we all get the credit. We all think you know.

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We all go for all all compliance or working towards compliance projects.

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Coming back to the funding, that's money we ever spent in manchester, I'm telling.

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You that right now best money.

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And then on page six, it all stock to page six, I apologize again lays out the.

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Responsibilities of the county municipalities, and without going in.

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Detail it again files kind of the permit format and it talks about the.

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Programmatic responsibilities and the technical responsibilities, the take home.

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From this is, if any body creates non-compliance individually, we're.

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Responsible for that non-compliance, so, even though we're cook permittees and.

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Maybe under the mds guys and the epa's guys they're going to come down on all.

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Of us, we've laid it out in here that if you either anybody kind of slacks off.

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And creates a non-compliance, they are responsible for that non-compliance. You.

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Know what it may be, if it's monetary or whatever they you know where the beat of.

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County or one of the municipalities, so we've laid that out in here that even.

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Though we're cooked permittees, we still have individual responsibilities as jurisdictions. You know to meet to work towards compliance, so you know against.

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Your leisure, you can read through this and I I would suggestion that you're gonna be seeing this in the upcoming year or some version of this, because.

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Again, we won't be coming back in to turn to page 12. That's the really proud page.

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I think yeah, if you look at this signature. Yes, yes, look at their.

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Signatures, I am proud of some about, but the rest of.

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It well, I am because it's on their because their signatures are there, so.

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It's a very good thing, so that's the moa, and maybe you know what paul's just.

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Sucking here cuz, I know we're moving fast, but I'm fishing here.

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We're just soaking it all in, were you taking notes open book, so we all can.

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Spend a lot of time can't report, but I do want you to see the annual report and.

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Again, we have to provide this. This is the show that we are working towards.

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Complying or hop compliantly, maybe a tank one time. The mv reviews us every.

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Year, they give us comments back every year and we use those comments to.

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Improve the next you know iteration of the annual course I'm with. I would.

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Venture to say on the way out and then here cuz I'd like to that- are a.

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Unfortunate, I, the smallest one, you're gonna, see in the state. We try to be very.

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Efficient in our reporting process at all, just so you know I was just reading.

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Something the other day I was told, glenn galas a jurisdiction in california.

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One of the counties out there 2,800 pages, some like a very odd fort, is 2,800.

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Pages- and I just it's worse than reward- I don't know.

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So anyhow, looking at the table contents here, it follows the permit, so in other.

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Words, we take the permit and we basically just go through the airport.

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You know addressing the permit, and so a lot of things are duplicate of each year.

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You know, but a lot of things we've done other things to and we've improved upon.

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Or we've updated and again, as you see there, the first page of the table.

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Content says md mm he'll report sussman. That is responding to their comments.

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From the year before, so we always have that starting off, and then we go into.

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The permit itself, we do have this number on page four, there you see executive.

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Summary we they've graciously in the permit have a requirement that we.

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Request a new permit all right, so there's a requirement for us to request.

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A new permit for ourselves in the permit, if we don't do it, we're not compliance.

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With our permit, so this item number for the executive summary is actually us.

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Asking for the next permit, I apologize, but we're not complying. If I don't ask.

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For a new permit- and so we have done that process here but this year because.

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We are in our last tea approaching our last year, so we're asking for the permit.

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Okay in this document, we're just going to point out a few things we think is.

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Our personal front, page 17,.

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This this table to here that you have this is where we actually report the.

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Projects we do and commissioned brochet, but you were asking the nutrient.

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Reductions and the imperviousness. So if you look at those- and I will say that.

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Our let me talk about our philosophy a little bit. It's important our philosophy.

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With this program is when we 2008 and we kind of really started to ramp this.

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Program up, we wanted to have the best stormwater system in the state. Okay, we.

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Had a lot of issues with our storm system, they were to disrepair a lot of.

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Them they were hard to access. They were hard to maintain.

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They weren't functioning, so our goal was: if we have to do this, if we're required.

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To do this, we're gonna make sure that we take those tenants, those things you know.

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That we need to improve upon and we're going to dress them in what we do and so.

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Our main goal with our program is to retrofit either existing stormwater.

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Facilities that don't meet her or disrepair just bad and retrofit areas.

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That don't have it. The second part of our program is the plant stream buffers. We do try to get more. You know buffering to our streams.

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Both from a nutrient perspective and actually now a temperature perspective.

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That have streams a lot of jurisdictions, use a lot of other mechanisms and.

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Without getting in a lot of details, there's a lot of things that they do, but.

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We want to make sure that what we're doing results in real improvements in.

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Water quality not just being counting and not just you know, trying to put.

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Something out there are or what we're doing mean something so you're actually.

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Seeing an impact in the notice what we're see seeing is mainly we're seeing.

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Visually that our streams are, and the erosion of them is decreasing.

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And the water quality- yes, is getting better, so we're seeing there's results.

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You know yeah and these facilities that were eyesores in the gentlemen. You had.

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Speaking to you, prior to the grant, was telling you we take those things and we.

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Modernize them and we make them community amenities. Instead of these.

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Things that people just don't want to don't like responsible for. Thank you. Yes,.

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Keep working with a lot of those we're working in air is where we can get the.

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Most bang for the buck for one thing, so we're making sure that the amount of.

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Impervious we're treating and the nutrients we gather are are worth the.

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Money we've done and and so I'm gonna jump ahead just a little bit. Our goal is.

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To try to have an average cost around $30,000 an infernus acre. So when we're.

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Done projects you know, as we move forward we're always trying to hit that.

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$30,000 for a pervious, acre and and number and what we do that may sound.

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Like a lot, but I can tell you that in a lot of jurisdictions, that number is up.

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In six figures from pretty sacred right- and so we may be given probably about.

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This I'm I'm personally a very particular about that, and I know that we.

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Push very hard for that in our processes. Maybe do you want to explain how to eat.

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I'm sure I think that one thing you know tom brings to view here is that not only.

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Do we work with our money that we receive, but we also have what I call.

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Public-Private partnerships, where we work with developers or we work with.

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Property owners and I'll give you an example: eldersburg business center.

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Recently had some issues with their stormwater pond, so we became involved.

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With them and they paid for the problems with their pond and we paid for.

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Enlarging their pond to treat the water quality that was needed to address the.

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Impervious area, so we call shared in that effort with them. It actually got us.

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40 40 acres of impervious area treatment for around $5,000. So when we work on.

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Projects like that, it obviously helps bring our averages down, because there.

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Are projects unlike tom's, like tom, said that he's not real happy with, but we get.

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A lot of bang for our buck, but the bang for our buck is a lot more. We could be.

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In maybe the 50 thousand dollar range per impervious acre treated, but at the.

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Same time we might be solving a drainage problem that someone's having in the neighborhood along with that project, so we're we're solving twofold.

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A two-fold problem, another instance in that was with a project down in mount.

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Airy green tree, we worked with that developer. He actually was in the process.

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Of designing the plan- and we asked him if he could treat some additional water.

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Coming out of candis estates, so he actually enlarged his facility.

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During his design, he paid for that to be done and he's also paying for the pond.

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To be built at a larger scale, to accommodate our water coming from canvas.

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Our only cost is running the storm drain down to that facility, so that cost the.

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County will probably be in the range of 50 to $100,000 and we're.

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Going to be treating over 25 acres of impervious area so that cost you know.

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Also brings projects down so we're always looking for ways to offset cost.

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For projects along with the grants that we've gotten to this point so yeah, you.

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Want to take just a minute, explain how these numbers are derived here and we.

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Won't go into specifically, but I want you to understand that there's somewhat.

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Prescribed so so, we've been working very closely with a document called.

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Accounting for stormwater waste load allocations and impervious acres treated.

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It's a guidance document that mde put out. It was out in the draft form in 2011.

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It became a true guidance document in in 2014 and it's actually under review.

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Right now to be changed and the guidance document was based on modeling and not.

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True numbers that were needed to determine what the actual nutrients were.

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That were coming off the sites. It was more based on what the conditions of the.

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Watershed was and what they thought was going to be the numbers of nutrients, so.

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We're currently using that modeling result as far as the nutrient reductions.

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Go so each of the projects that you see on these pages 18 through 23, have nutria.

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Adoptions associated with most of them, and then they also have an impervious.

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Acre treatment associated with the project as well the impervious acre.

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Treatment is geared toward how much water quality treatment is being.

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Performed in the facility, so the minimum of the water quality can that you can.

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Treat is one inch in order to get one acre one for one. So if you have 10 acres.

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Impervious area and is treated with one inch of water quality in the facility.

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You get 10 acres of impervious acre treatment. If you treat more than 1 inch.

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If you treat up to two and a half inches, which is what the maximum we can treat.

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Which means the facility gets much larger, but if you have the room.

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Do that you're going to get additional impervious, acre treatment credit so.

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You'll, that's why you see the numbers are kind of a little fluctuating in the.

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Number, as far as what it winds up being now for tree plantings,.

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You only get one acre of impervious treatment for every three acres planted.

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And that standard has been like that for ten years now, but it's very cumbersome.

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To work in this kind of environment, because you're always trying to figure.

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Out, what's the best way to get the most numbers, but I think with this new.

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Guidance document there's have a lot of monitoring. That's been done over the.

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Past years, that they're now using the monitoring information to come up with.

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The nutrient credits that you're gonna be able to receive, which I think all of.

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Us are very much in favor of that because at the beginning we weren't in.

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Favor of what how they came up with these numbers to begin with so yeah, more.

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Accurate, it's absolutely more accurate getting better! That is a new component.

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That they're, adding in the permits they will be having that in our next permit.

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It does not exist in our permit and they're currently, but it will be yes, so.

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I guess the take home with that is that we have a guidance document with the.

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Guide stocking is actually referred to ana permit, so we have to use it second.

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It is it's like a it's like a cookbook, you know, I mean we. If you follow these.

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You do these practices, you get this amount of credit, and this is amount of credit for both impervious reductions and the nutrient doctor. So scale said we.

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Use that and we maximize it and most threatening again deal from wrong with.

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Most of the facility do we aim for way for above that, that one inch, so we go to.

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Maximize our our credits and all when we're.

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Again, to try to maximize the expenditures that we're doing man using.

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Facilities, alright, okay, I appreciate the analogy of cooper because I I would love.

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To be honest and say, I understand all that's being said, but it ain't happening.

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I know I'm like a pig with a wristwatch, sometimes when you're talking about this.

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Stuff intro so capturing it and okay. What are the things that you want me or.

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Us to to capture and understand right as we're moving forward. I mean there's just.

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I want say it's overload information, it's just. It is a lot of details that.

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I'm trying to capture it all. So if you got an analogy, look at a book I like it.

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Because I can, in my head.

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That's the reductions, we're getting so much fun. Esther reductions, yes,.

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Yeah I was trying to get a patter and get a sense of it. Our forest buffers.

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Butter and grass buffers I mean, is there preference? Is there any documentation.

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Show once better the other forest buffers are better. You get more nutrient.

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Reductions based on affected, there's forests there versus just great so.

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There's less runoff and yes, but those numbers are changing. Yes, yes,.

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So these high numbers are showing how much they're capturing, which is good.

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That's great okay! I was looking at the reverse, so I'm glad you clarified. Yes,.

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And and what they, what they've done, is they set this number that we have to.

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Achieve and so every time we do something here, yeah that the number that.

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We have to reduce, excuse me deuce, so, every time we do something here we can.

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Subtract it off and we're getting back to that time. Dl. Let me just so the tmdl.

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What we, what we need to meet it's here most of our streams and our water bodies.

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Are here greater, that's not good! So what we have to do, what we're required to do.

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Is do this, I mean credit yeah and each time we do something like this. It drops.

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The jobs now I'm gonna, I said that t and now I'm gonna contradict myself.

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We've never agreed with the state on what that number is.

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I don't agree with their traveling and everything, but having said that, it makes.

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No difference we have a permit, we have to do something so we're doing it so.

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What I can tell you, commissioners, is even if we differ with the regulating.

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Agencies about what these numbers are, we're doing things to make it better and.

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Work towards compliance all right, always say the amount of unfunded.

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Mandates we get from financial burdens on us and it's hard to gauge what is.

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Success so when we go in this you're saying five million dollars that they.

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Were spending five million dollars so what's the end result to show that.

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That's been a good investment, are we making headways? Are we being successful.

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Or are we just being in compliance or a bureaucratic mandate force down upon us.

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Well, let me try to answer that. I will say there is a little bit of both. We.

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Certainly, we are very conscious about staying in compliance and trying to work.

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Towards compliance, we have that's our jobs, that's what you have us here. We.

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Have no choice right well and that's what you.

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Before, having said that, what I'm trying to emphasize to you is our program is.

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Geared to do real things that provide real improvements out there, there are.

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Some practices that people are doing- and I don't want literally poufy one because.

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You know that's what people chosen yeah there's some things that people are.

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Doing that we don't feel provide or create real results out in the.

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Environment are what we do is we're trying to things that create real.

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Results like that jones is talking about. Those are types of things that we do and.

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We're spending our dollars on, we think we're doing them in the most efficient.

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Effective way that we can and we're say in the state, but when we can, we think.

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We're doing them and that's what I hope you want us to do and I hope that's what.

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You expect us to do, and so we are doing a little bit of both we're trying to.

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Stay in compliance and we're trying to do it the best way we can for carroll county and make it better out there prime example wastewater treatment. Four.

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Years ago, as he started much sooner than that working on this and what he did in.

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The reduction in nitrogen and phosphorous is phenomenal and your.

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Planning and your persistence in this whole thing are unbelievable and how you.

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Went through government bureaucracy policies and everything else is just.

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Fantastic so and working with folks who are concerned along with us, but the.

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Environment like trials unlimited, especially on the hamster, always.

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Trails, unlimited and they're these riverkeepers, I don't know favorite part.

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Anyway, we work with them to try, to you, know, make it work for all parties, so.

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Yeah, okay, moving on, I say page 37. I want to jump to page 37.

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There we have a chart and just to touch on this. This is part of the property.

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Management maintenance right: this is a list of facilities between the county.

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Municipalities that you have to have that special industrial permit for and.

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Where the link is that we threw our permit here are responsible to make sure.

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These permits are in compliance, that's the take home all right, so we don't. We.

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Through this program, don't implement and and do the compliance, but we are.

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Required to make sure they're in compliance all right and big part of.

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Glenn's job here is working with folks to make sure all the paperwork this.

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These are the things let me in a nutshell. These are the traps that you.

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Can fall in with audits; these are the things that require lots of paperwork.

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And you know making sure you're documenting everything that you're doing.

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Your inspections, that you have your plans that you're required having and.

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These are the things that they scrutinize the first thing: they walk in.

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We want to see all your paperwork once the everything and, if you don't have it.

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I mean they start the demerits go out, you know the fines start. This is.

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Critical and again so I just want to emphasize that this permit doesn't.

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Require these these permits, but it says we have to track their compliance. I.

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Claims in charge of that.

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Coming into this, this tom had said we, there was a lot of about 10 years ago. We.

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Need to do it, keep to address this and bring it up the stuff. The permit.

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Basically requires that you have to identify the facilities and, within the.

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County and municipal areas and operators to have to have the.

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Tallest of you may have an industrial type of activity. Maybe food management.

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Or some other wastewater treatment plants and that kind of thing it's kind.

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Of a list that you see right here and there's another number of components to.

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It what we have to report in each facility as a required to identify them.

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Make sure they have a registrate they're registered for industrial stormwater.

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Type discharges with mde, and they also have to have a some water pollution.

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Prevention plan that that talks about inspections, talks about good.

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Housekeeping best management practices that they need to do to prevent.

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Pollutants from getting into the into their own storm drain, outfalls.

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Discharges and I work with primarily department of public works staff, either.

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At the county, there's four facilities in the county: the airport maintenance center northern landfill and hoods mill transfer station. That's the four in.

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County there's nine others that are spread throughout the team to minister.

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Counties and we're closely with them, we do training, I'm actually listed on as an.

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Off site resource to come through to take a look at what what do? I think mb.

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You might say hey, that might be something we need to tweak in your plan.

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You might need to straighten this up or that righto.

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Yes, sir, and the municipalities, everybody you see here is responded very well. We.

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Try to stay on top of the permit and page 46 would like to just point out.

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There this is a whole listing of our public education components that we did.

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In 2004 the 2018 permit year and again we do an awful lot. I'm amazed every time.

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I see this gale shop does a lot of these working with rose and gale.

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Just give one get one brief example: with the connection of the school.

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Yeah, the board of education, we work with the outdoor students and take them to.

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The farm museum and we run a full day twice a year, showing them different like.

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Getting the stream and do stream sampling, we go to the stormwater.

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Facilities and explain them, we do some tree plantings, so that's 90, kids, that.

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We're touching in in twice years, we then give up packets of information that they.

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Can take home then share with their folks, and it's a lot of those types of.

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Things steve, I know you do a lot in your jurisdiction, we do we do. We have spring.

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Fest event: we have the business expo, we want to get them involved in our.

Q

National night out so yeah, it's a good good education for the public. They come.

Q

Out and see that that's a good thing to do. You never know one of those students.

E

Might wind up sitting here where you guys you're absolutely right? That's.

Q

Right, that's and then you can retire. Yes, absolutely moving on to page 54, just.

L

Real quickly, I just want to hit that new what we talked about with the watershed.

L

Assessments and the restoration plan is remaining this table here shows the work.

L

That folks did in gale shop and fire madigan, who steve referred to he's the.

L

Supervisor there he coordinated middle office work. Our folks physically went.

L

Out there and walked a vast number of streams and you can see gail, maybe one.

L

Review that table real quickly with the commissioners there you know, because I think it's impressive with that, so we actually assessed 786 miles of stream.

O

Which was 54 percent of the total streams in the county and what we.

O

Basically, do is to get permission from the property owners before we go out and.

O

We look at different things, such as exposed pipes or the lack of stream.

O

Buffers or erosion of the banks and then that's how.

O

We write up our restoration plans based on those stream assessments carol can't.

E

L

Something about that's impressive, yeah folks are good in carroll county. They.

E

Care about their environment yeah so just wanted to point that out. That's.

L

Part of the restoration plans and then moving on if you turn to page 61, this is.

L

61 and 62 you're pretty pretty impressive charts. Here again we have a.

L

Certain amount of in process that we need to do and I'm moving pretty quickly.

L

Here, but this just shows you where we're at that bar there that's 1614 acres.

L

That's the target we were required to do for this permit and you can see that.

L

We're pretty much right at that as we speak, and you can also see what we have.

L

Planned out to the future, as far as the pervious acres mitigated, if you flip the.

L

Page then, that's the actual drainage case. That's the entire area that flows.

L

To those practices that we're treating that work- and you can see you know we're.

L

We're pretty much over 3,000, acres and and by the time we have things that we.

L

Have programmed in our cip for the out years we're up close to 7,000 acres.

L

Which is, you know again, keep in mind. This is an urban permit. This is supposed.

L

To address urban runoff and it's a little, it gets a little mixed up here in.

L

Carroll county, what serving in world all, but that's, I think, a phenomenal effort.

L

To get to those points where that number of acres are being you know, treated.

L

Because I don't from tougher, though, if you start treating more morning, that's.

L

Correct we're gonna run out of the urban area to treat correct. Yes, yes, we.

L

Certainly will and finally again not too fast but page 99. This is where the.

L

Program, funding requirement is, and every year we have to report and here's you.

L

Know at the top of the page, there is the operating program elements and you can.

L

See it's 2.2 million was was our latest report. You can see how it breaks down.

L

There and then from our capital expenditures that it was 2.1 for the fy.

L

18 but again these were your projects and all that are ongoing. So.

L

You know at any point in time it varies and if you want to turn it into the next.

L

Page of 100 table 25 actually shows you since about 2006, and you can see that.

L

We've spent totally total about 22 million dollars is what we spent on the.

L

Program and from a capital standpoint on these projects and we've received you.

L

Know, as gail said, six million dollars in grants, but we have another around seven.

L

Million dollars, that's still in the works, and this is what we've actually used or spent we've actually done through june of seventeen.

D

Yes, so it's here in an f well june of eighteen.

F

Right, it says june a 70 in mine, okay, I'm sorry.

L

Well, I'm power dynasty: it's 18, yeah, thanks! Okay, so again without you know, I.

L

Think the take of home again from this is we try very hard to be very frugal.

L

With those dollars that you graciously give us and the factors give us and you.

L

Know you've asked us about metrics several times and we provide you this.

L

Metrics and some, I must admit some of those metrics we the only way we can.

L

Compare miss to other jurors to other people to do the work, and I think that.

L

We fall very much in the more efficient may be part of that comparison, because.

L

Of really maryland is one of the most stringent states within the lames.

L

Program- and I don't know of any other place where the impervious acre.

L

Requirement is actually in at least across the country they're, all very.

E

Conscious about the baby, yes, so I know I don't mean to taking your time. I.

L

Apologize but it is a lot and not to innovate. You, but again you have these.

L

For reference we're here, any of us give a call, and we just appreciate the.

L

Opportunity to kind of share a little bit because the budget process you can.

L

Go through the new permit, the emily, all those things are right there on the rise.

C

Now this definitely helps I mean the overview, but it helps me.

C

Case by case puts in context why we're doing so. I appreciate I really.

C

Appreciate the hard work you when your team is doing as well, and the.

C

Partnership with me, spouse yeah, that's huge.

E

It's great we got well. Your department obviously has good leadership right.

E

Commissioners, you have a good stay up here. I'll tell you that right now I mean.

Q

Every town manager will tout how their staff is, but I'll tell you one thing: this staff is they're excellent to work with techsmartt believe me, but I won't.

Q

Throw it right back at you, because without the commitment of the.

L

Commissioners, but your board participating and the previous boards, it.

L

Doesn't happen right, it just doesn't happen in in years past we've heard a.

L

Lot from md his mother folks about carroll county this and that but there's.

L

Never been a reduction in the support for this program, even though there's.

F

Been a disagreement on a lot of things with the state and with the permitting.

L

Phase, there's never been a reduction in getting it done and that's important.

L

Real quickly, the projects in the back of these completed- yes, yes, yeah, there's.

L

Some examples that you know take a look at do I think you have for every project.

L

And you have something like this made up in love, we do and it's on the webpage so.

O

You can go to our web next time. Everyone gonna see some.

H

H

Especially when you see a full one that day in clean water, it's empty almost a.

H

Nice clean discharge: that's one thing that the group set up for us, though the.

Q

Wrc see we cooked a tour of different facilities and- and I was very good- does.

Q

We enjoyed that yeah I'll try to do that once a year. So yes, sir, which are list if you're interested or have time you're more than.

L

Welcome to get along again the show I enjoy fishing and kayaking. So this is.

E

Important, I don't want to eat any brady right.

E

Sentence all right. Thank you. I need a motion to go into closed for.

A

Land acquisition favor after that adjourn.

A

Thank you, favor the offer brady.