Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 18 Nov 2021

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To put it simply, we are a charity, a non-profit.

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In the reagan, room um as work is being done up on the uh the rooftop of our government building.

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We will also this afternoon, have uh in-person um session to talk about this, actually to listen to.

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The community about uh the rezoning definitions and their ideas when it comes to residential and.

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Then this evening, at 7 00 p.m. We will do a virtual session with the same topic. The intent here is to.

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Ensure that we're reaching out to as much of the community as we can on a very, very important topic.

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Dealing with residential zoning before we start all sessions, let's uh please.

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Take a moment stand for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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One nation, under god.

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Okay, thank you and next step. What we do is, uh as always, priority carol. Let's start from my right.

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The viewers left commissioner fraser, what do you have to say uh thank you, um had a.

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Local management board meeting hey now. This is my second meeting with them, so I'm getting.

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A good idea now, what we're doing here uh all the non-profits are there to talk about what they're.

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Doing to try to help out the community, she had updates from non-profits, and I can say things.

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Are recovering from covet put it that way, things are moving forward, which is very, very positive.

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um Also, I didn't did not realize until last meeting that we had a student rep on the board.

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Because the student rep called in from westminster high school, where she was in class.

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And and talked a little bit, which I was very interesting, she spoke very, very well and one.

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Of the things that student reps are looking for not just her, but other student reps around the.

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I guess the state are looking to ensure, actually, I think they would put legislation in to ensure that.

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The student reps on the board of ed's all all have a voting role that their vote means as.

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Much as the other people in the board of ed, not a bad idea, so they're going to go forward with that.

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So we'll see how we'll see where that goes to see if someone picks it up and puts it in legislation.

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For the statement, because that's what they're looking for um that's about all I have except.

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I hate I mean, I can't believe we still talk about this, but the covet numbers are.

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Kind of edge it up again and with winter coming you're expecting to go a little bit higher. I just.

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I'm tired of this, I hope everyone else is too get vaccinated, get your booster shots, get whatever.

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You need get, you know whatever you need to get there, it's necessary it's just. I don't want to.

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Be I just don't want to go backwards, but we are sliding a little bit backwards with this.

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So, let's be vigilant on this social distancing and if you don't wish to be vaccinated, that's fine.

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But then wear a mask: don't go out in public as often stay away from large groups.

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Help other people out. That's all! Thank you. That's all! That's all! It's easy commission.

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So I'm gonna try to get through as much of this as I can rapidly here.

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uh I've had an incredibly busy week. um First of all,.

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Today, I will be leaving as soon as I can to represent carroll county at the mayco.

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Maryland association of counties uh board retreat I'll be traveling to baltimore city.

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And uh representing for the next two days, so uh for those that are wondering I will uh watch.

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uh Tonight's session, uh but I won't physically be on, if you will I'll watch it as soon as I can.

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I had the opportunity to tour exploration commons. I know you guys have all done that as well.

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But I kept canceling because of my schedule and I'm kind of glad I did because when I first saw it.

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They hadn't done a thing and when I toured it yesterday morning,.

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It is near finished and it is unbelievable what they have transformed that basement into.

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And the outreach that's going to be created as a result of utilizing that space to the partners.

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With the library system is going to be priceless, uh so uh enough said about that other than.

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The the kitchen is is ridiculous. I I stood there with my mouth open, so I I don't want to.

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I don't, I hope, I'm not telling something I shouldn't say, but I.

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Believe, there's a ribbon cutting coming up on it. There is december 17th nice. Thank you.

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December 17th, I don't know what time yet I don't know that they've got that zeroed.

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In uh but that's when they're gonna have uh the ribbon cutting and uh again it is just um it's a.

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The library has done incredibly well and uh it's uh it's gonna, be an awesome space for for various.

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For everybody to use so congratulations to them! All of you will see more of that as we roll along.

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uh Also attended planning and zoning that was a relatively short meeting as the planning.

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And zoning goes the new, the new folks, uh the new chairman of our planning and zoning board.

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Is jeff werther, who will do very well and the co-chair is uh janice kirkner uh not a whole.

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Lot of choice there because we're losing folks on pnc. uh So again I put out my commercial for.

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Those folks that are interested in serving on our boards and commissions, please go on our website.

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There's an application on there. You can choose what board or commission you'd be interested in.

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And uh we would welcome the opportunity for folks to be able to serve in the county.

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And perhaps do a lot less complaining if you get involved, wouldn't that be something anyway,.

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So that's good um two fires recently uh that occurred in my district, one.

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Was in a commercial facility uh in the uh downtown tyrone area,.

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I know downtown tyrone compressor, maintenance, uh business. uh Those guys are going to be closed for.

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A while they're a very small business, but they do a lot of work in in the county and beyond.

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So uh reaching out to them uh about that and uh there's uh as a result of that fire, there was an.

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Issue brought up about uh something else, which I will bring up and open.

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Esac last night I attended emergency services. Advisory committee will continue to move forward.

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Here in the county to create the best combination system that we can.

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And uh you attended last month, uh ed and uh I walked out of there a little after 10 last night.

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So it was a really lively meeting and you'll hear more about what's going on this sunday.

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With under the direction of our new director, mike robinson they're having their strategic.

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Planning workshop he's brought a gentleman in from the national fire academy to run.

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It they've brought in a lot of people from across the county, so that will be occurring on sunday.

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So, that's that I attended the carroll community college board meeting as well um and.

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We have um a lot to be proud of over there. uh We were in attendance to declare november 17th.

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Which was yesterday uh carroll community college day as a result of that they um they gave out ice.

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Cream to all the students but uh kudos to what's going on over there, uh one of the big fundraisers.

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For the community college foundation is coming up on december, the 3rd and that's starry night.

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So I'll be attending that as well and that's a that's always a great event. uh I also attended.

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I've lost track. I've been to so many places here. Oh the commission, on aging.

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And disabilities attended that meeting um told you. I was busy uh the biggest thing.

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Coming out of, that was not only are they uh are they moving forward with a lot of things, but the.

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Senior centers are now up to about 60 capacity, which is which is good, we're moving forward. There.

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But again very cautious, uh because this ain't over as dennis uh so politely, I put it differently. It.

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Ain't over uh so you know, I'm I'm encouraging folks to still uh do what they feel is right.

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In order to get us through this because I'm sick and tired of it too, um so that's that.

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Jim mccarron was again uh selected to be the chairman of that group, so.

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So that is moving on uh so kudos to them. I'm my calendar is wreck. um One thing that came.

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Out of planning and zoning- and it reminds me because our director of planning is here year.

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I suggested that we change the inclement weather policy. Interestingly enough, it said it is.

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It's based on carroll, county public schools, whether or not they're closed or not, which.

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I find to be challenging. I believe it should be what carroll county government does, because there.

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Are many days or there are some days when schools are closed and people go huh and we're open, and I.

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Said that, with all due respect to the fabulous group of people that meet at odark 30 to make.

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The decision on what the county's going to do with our offices so uh linda agreed nicely done uh and.

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Rest of planning and zoning agreed as well, so we're going to change that.

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So that it goes underneath of county government, the direction that we do.

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Which is another commercial that I wanted to say here and then I'm going to shut up, because the.

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Rest of the stuff I have I'll do an open uh go on our website, please, if you haven't done so already.

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And sign up for carol connect, carol connect is an easy way to find out what's happening in county.

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Government what's happening with inclement weather uh and for no other reason you visit our website.

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uh But but it's that gives you the ability to get emails from the from the government and also the.

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uh It goes on your phone, so miraculously there is carol connect on our website.

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That's where you go, you can click on that and sign up and be more in touch with county government.

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I think that's it surprise. I got a bunch more stuff, but I'm going to do it under open admin.

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So you're saying this is not just tuesday, thursday.

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In your schedule, yeah, I left yesterday at 0-700 and returned to my residence.

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At 2300 last night- and that was a wednesday yep- I understand just saying.

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I had a board meeting yesterday as well: okay, yeah.

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So yeah, it's not. It says part-time job on the on the thing yeah this, commissioner. So anyway,.

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Thank you, commissioner. Weaver. Okay, first of all, I uh sunday had an eagle scout, uh tommy smith,.

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Over in the hampstead area, he is the tenth member of the family to attain eagle scout and there's.

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An eleventh in the wing, the smith family, has a long history of a lot of dedication to scouting.

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uh Drug treatment court last week uh we attend uh some of us attended that, and uh that was.

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uh Interesting judge hecker does a tremendous job of um helping people as an alternative to.

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Incarceration going through drug treatment court and uh I was really impressed by the one gentleman.

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Who said you saved my life and he was really uh totally sincere about that and he said he was.

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Very happy he was arrested in carroll county. Yes, carroll county gave him the opportunity for drug.

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Treatment or that would may not have happened otherwise, it was very interesting because he.

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Was uh sincere, we got a chuckle out of it, but then a couple others said the same thing: yeah.

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It's because of josh hecker and the team, so I just want to further apologize and.

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Recreation and parks had their 50-year celebration this year and their volunteer program was november.

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The 9th tuesday last week, fantastic uh program, jeff daggett's, uh did it in staff as soon as hey.

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Staff jeff gets the credit. The staff did the work, uh put it together very well. um Last thursday, I.

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Guess I had the chance to attend: uh judge cara, lewis's investiture at north korea, high school.

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The old north korea high school- and she is a very young member of the district court- highly capable.

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Young lady and she is going to do a fantastic job that place was packed. I think eric you were there.

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Too dennis uh but uh did a beautiful job of uh putting uh investor together. uh We also had a.

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Joint meeting with carroll community college, uh whatever day that was yesterday before anyway,.

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And that was uh a great meeting between you know. The college gets to explain exactly what.

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They're doing and what's uh happening chris do we have a picture of the other uh tuesday night.

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We do in the meantime. Yes, uh we had a boy scout troop here sitting right here.

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Where you guys are at the present time- and we uh brought in the troop it was in the evening here-.

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And they got the set here and I got to be the audience and ask the question and answer the.

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Questions that they asked believe me, they had some tough questions for boy scout troops, so.

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There was the chairman of the group uh running the things where you are sitting at, so uh they did did.

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A great job of uh and asking questions uh on that so uh future commissioners up there yeah future.

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Leaders here that they're earning their government badge or whatever the term is proper term for that.

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But I I gave them a lot of credit for uh coming in uh asking good questions and doing a great job.

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And lastly, uh our uh assistant, upstairs vivian daly, has been uh she's very artistic compared to.

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The rest of us and uh I've been collecting ribbons for the last several years. Every ribbon cutting we.

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Have I take a section of ribbon? Have everybody science there she put together a wreath made.

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With all these ribbons and put it in the festival of wreaths at the carroll arts center, I hope the.

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Chamber of commerce is going to have to uh bid on this uh heavily this year that I give vivian.

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A lot of credit that's november 19th and december 21st uh val. They have the gallery of gifts. There.

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I'm not sure exactly when I think I'd put a silent auction. If I remember right over that yeah, but.

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uh If you did put the wreath together from carroll county picture, picture picture of the reason, no, I.

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Don't not yet I haven't been over there, she just had to enter it and I don't think it's open till.

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The 19th, but we'll make uh we'll get a picture a little picture of that a little later, but.

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I want to thank vivian that was above and beyond just a lot of work. uh What you need to do, and one.

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Thing here before uh we get uh commissioner boucher, with these hogs and heroes day, some.

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People in the audience I haven't seen for a while, I didn't recognize him now fit, but uh a couple of.

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North carol people over there and uh thank you guys for what you do: okay, okay, uh commissioner,.

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Boucher one of you uh starting, uh ladies and gentlemen, one you all come on up to the table.

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All right well, while they're coming up, I want to piggyback on what commissioner weaver said about.

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The investiture of judge, kara lewis- this is a historical moment in the judiciary of carroll.

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County, we have a 100 percent female district court bench in carroll county and that has.

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Never happened before so big kudos out there to our bench and the wonderful job they do.

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Before I move off you guys, I want to cover a couple of things. uh Mr swam has brought up a.

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View of the it's the workforce, development building now I believe we voted on it.

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They have in that old school building, air conditioner window units, which are extremely.

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Ineffective gobble up a lot of electricity they're, not very efficient, so part of what we've decided.

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Was go out and upgrade the hva systems of not only the workforce, development center.

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But there is bureau chief justin mcdonald up on the roof of an avapco unit which is manufactured.

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In commissioner wayne's district, a major employer in carroll county- and this is a view of some of.

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The hvac systems within the courthouse- this is a tremendous investment by our taxpayers money and I.

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Want to make sure that people see what air men and women behind the scenes are doing to upgrade and.

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Modernize, their facilities to save us, ultimately in their energy costs, which seems to be spiking.

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Mr swam is that it for the photos on the the hvac system, all right well, thank you and I'm.

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Really quickly going to read off new hires to the county government, I enjoy doing this.

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And welcome these individuals aboard as county employees. Robert cleric er klechner emergency.

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Communications, specialist zachary ruth emergency communications, specialists.

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Edwin singer watershed management, coordinator, nathan, cable, ground maintenance, worker.

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Emma sparks housing, stability, coordinator, natalie, martin cook assistant in rec and parks, samantha.

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Steele cromwell record unit technician for the sheriff's department, phil sexton bailiff, at the.

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Circuit court wayne windell landfill equipment operator, jenna miley park, naturalist, brandon.

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A neck, I'm sorry about from slaughtering your name paid work. Experience coordinator over at.

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The workforce development facility and taylor ram haney deputy sheriff, welcome, aboard and we're glad.

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You joined the team now I'd like to move on to our distinguished guests here this morning it looks.

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Like we've been invaded by bikers what a wonderful group of people here and there's a reason, I.

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Brought these individuals forward, they help do ceremonies for fallen veterans, soldiers, ems.

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Law enforcement most of them. I think all the membership of this organization belongs to.

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Any one of those groups they have served, they retired or president in in employment, with law.

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Enforcement, I believe we have here, is the leader, major retired, major hamrick, from law enforcement.

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I want to very quickly read off this proclamation and then have each one of you introduce yourself.

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And say a few words about exactly what you do and how important this is, and I believe, commissioner.

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Williams has done some work with you all in the past because he is a retired firefighter and he.

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Realizes the importance and value of what you do and I'm honored to read this proclamation.

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On behalf of our colleagues proclamation hogs and heroes day, whereas maryland chapter 6 of the hawks.

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And heroes foundation of america is celebrating its 10th anniversary on sunday november 21st 2021.

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And the hawson heroes foundation is a charitable 501c3 non-profit organization composed of.

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Motorcycle owners in support of veterans, families of fallen military members and first responders.

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And the haws and heroes foundation performs honor missions for fallen police officers, firefighters.

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Emergency medical workers, a united states, military members killed in combat and veterans and the.

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Board of county commissioners appreciate hawks and heroes, foundations for its altruistic, endeavors.

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And its example of good citizenship. Now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, do.

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Hereby proclaim november 21st 2021 as halls and heroes day adopted this 18th day in november 2021.

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Signed by all five of us commissioners at carroll county board of commissioners, thank you very much.

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Thank you. Thank you. The floor is yours, sir. Well good morning, I'm jim hamrick, I'm the president of.

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Maryland chapter, six and and I'll introduce myself a little bit more fully uh because we've got.

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Some individuals that pro that have indicated they, they would defer to me in introductions all the.

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Way to my right, your left is scott dixon. He is my vice president, he's retired baltimore city police.

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His better half is michelle dixon they're. Actually they just got married back in may.

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And april april, I'm sorry and and live here in the county. uh Michelle is michelle, got promoted.

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Out of our chapter she's, actually in our national board as an administrator, this is my better half.

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Of 34 and a half years, pamela hamrick and my son eric who is.

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My senior sergeant of arms for the chapter, but he also is employed as a howard, county police officer.

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So he happens to be on his day off, and so it's it's quite an honor and in in terms of just a real.

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Brief history, about how I ended up here in carroll county, because I actually live in thurmont and one.

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Of the other things I do is I serve as chaplain of the guardian host company there, but I know.

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I've met a couple of you because, when I retired, with university of maryland police in college.

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Park back at the end of 2010 chuck rapp, who was at that time the executive director of the maryland.

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Police and correctional training commissions hired me as his chief administrative officer.

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Director of support services, so I served there for four and a half years before I was recruited.

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To come to mcdaniel college to be the chief director of campus safety, where I served a.

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Little over three years, but during my time at the training commissions, I was introduced to the hogs.

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And heroes, actually at a cop survivor weekend in ocean ocean city, maryland that they do each year.

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For family members of police officers who have died in the line of duty- and I was so impressed.

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I I ride a motorcycle recreationally and I was so impressed with that that I ended up joining and.

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And started a chapter recruiting mostly members there at the training commissions in sykesville.

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And that was in november of 2011., and so we met there for a while, during my time at mcdaniel, we.

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Moved up to westminster, where we thought that we'd have a greater population center and draw.

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For so for the last several years we've met at the the carroll county, fop lodge 20.

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And so we've been very grateful for their um hosting of us. We meet monthly, usually.

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The fourth sunday of the month, fourth uh sunday in the afternoon. um But we decided that uh we.

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Wanted to be even more connected and integrated with the with the westminster community, and so.

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uh Scott michelle myself last month met with the commander of of the westminster american legion.

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And carol post 31, and so we are excited uh that. Not only do we get the approval to make that our.

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New home but they're very excited about partnering with us. uh The the carroll post, 31 legion riders.

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We feel will provide opportunities, particularly where we have uh common missions to be able to.

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To massa mass, our our forces, people, if you will, especially in our charitable outreach some of the.

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Things recently, just to give you an idea. uh We we were represented at flagline, plus a memorial.

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Ride for fallen battalion chief joshua laird in frederick county who died in the line of duty.

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Back in august coming up here next month, we will be working with wreaths across america.

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At the meadow branch cemetery on december 18th we'll be laying almost 500 wreaths that day for.

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All the veterans in that cemetery there on the on the west end of westminster and so.

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It's um just a thumbnail sketch of some of the things we do. uh We are. We consider.

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Ourselves, patriots in the sense that we love god, country, family, community and and in the tide of.

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Of things that have been very uh concerning in terms of the direction of our country.

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Politically, uh we feel that not only do we provide that moral support to the people that are.

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On the front lines, protecting us, whether that's u.s, military or our first responders, we are.

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Not the ones crying out defund the police, but we're there standing with them uh as it's not.

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A requirement that you're for first responder to be a part of our membership. But many of us.

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Are either active or retired, and so anyways that's a little bit about us and I certainly would open.

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Up any questions, and once again on behalf of our chapter, we are just so honored um to to.

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Have this to, and commissioner boucher by the way uh was patched in as one of our members last year.

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After he led a couple of rides for us to gettysburg and antietam battlefields and so.

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Thank you so much. Why thank you major hamburg, uh mr swam. Do we have anything to show in a audio or.

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A video or a photo of what these individuals do for ceremonies for fallen uh heroes. I thought.

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We might have had something if not, though, actually a little bit to put it in perspective.

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What they it's just a it's just a short two and a half minute video I've seen something come up.

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Well, to put it simply, we are a charity, a non-profit, 501 c 3 charity and we are on a mission.

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We are community of motorcycle riders. The mission.

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Is to support u.s military, our veterans and, of course, our first responders.

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We show our support by raising funds to support local charities that fall within our mission.

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We support non-profits that have noble causes.

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Such as the maryland chapter concerns of police survivors who, this year to.

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Date, the hogs and harris foundation has donated over twenty thousand dollars.

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Or foundations like u.s kennels, who provide service dogs to veterans.

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With ptsd and other disabilities this year the hogs and heroes foundation was able to.

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Facilitate the donation of a full pallet of dog food to u.s kennels.

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Our chapters work hard to support the needs within their communities. One example are the.

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Stop the bleed kits that our maryland chapter 8, donated to the ocean city beach patrol.

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Another example would be in less than three days.

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Hawks and heroes were able to rally hundreds of bikers to show community.

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Support for the worcester county sheriff's office and the ocean city police department.

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Hogs and heroes also provides flag lines, honor.

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Guard and escorts for those who have bravely served our country.

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With chapters as far as buffalo new york, all the way down into virginia.

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The hogs and heroes foundation is able to make a positive impact.

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In providing support to those who fall within our mission.

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So now you know who we are and now you know what we do.

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We are the hogs and heroes foundation come and ride with us today.

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Now, I'd like for you, you all to come forward here for a photo.

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Bear with us one second sure, if there's any comments and thoughts um steve well, I I saw.

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You guys, or some of you folks when I did attend uh battalion chief laird's funeral.

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And uh you are impressive, thank you and uh when you're escorting, you are impressive.

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Thank you wherever you go you're impressive. Can you get my theme here? I I.

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I do sir, thank you, so you know as a retired career firefighter and still volunteer here in carroll.

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All of us across the board when it comes to the first responders.

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Incredibly appreciate your efforts, you know you all could just ride to ocean city and have a fun.

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Time and come back, but you go there for a mission and that's very, very much appreciated. So thank you.

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All for what you do very good friend of mine uh lost his dad in the line of duty.

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His dad was a was one of my dearest friends. He was, he was a howard county, police officer.

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So if you ever run into garrett fogle, I didn't know him yeah. He uh he's a great young man.

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And um I I get it because I've I've been here, so thank you all very much. Thank you.

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Very much commissioner wayne said very impressive. You guys doing a great job. I uh wasn't totally.

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Aware, but you know, carroll county has a great police force. Yes, great and great fire departments.

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Here we were just uh blessed to have the county we have, and your support here is really appreciated.

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Thank you I I should add also that I'm I've been long time, friends with uh sheriff jim dewey's and.

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In fact, in fact, yeah thank you, but I actually I'm I'm actually a an adjunct. A volunteer.

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Adjunct firearms instructor for for the carroll county sheriff's office. I maintain my police.

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Firearms certification, a firearms training, certification, wow- they are respected in carroll.

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County and I hope that continues- thank you. I moved here um uh 2007.. uh I moved across the street from.

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John paparazzo, who uh howard county police and did a lot of training known my papi yeah. He was a part.

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Of this program, um you know and was very proud of this now he's retired and he's working over the.

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Agency- but um I learned a lot about it from that from the grassroots and he would go off on his.

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Rise being retired after 30 plus years in uniform, I definitely have an appreciation for providing.

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Purpose to those that ride, you know, and that's really what this is about is is getting folks.

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Back up on your feet, providing purpose and giving them an honor, an opportunity and a duty that you.

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Give them uh to join so uh I appreciate that it's not just for those that are phone, but it's.

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Also for those that are participants, yes, because purpose is something that is very hard. um You know.

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When it's lost- and I work very hard on resiliency and building people up so appreciate all you do.

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um For us for the community for our neighbors and friends, so uh early happy thanksgiving to.

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You all, thank you, sir. I think uh you want since there's a whole group of you when you get in front.

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I'm sure all seeing that was very very well said.

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Okay, the roses between the thorns.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, thank you good luck to you guys. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you have a wonderful day. Thank you again,.

B

So to close out priority carol, it's a challenge because I, like you uh steve, has a ton on my mind.

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um It's hard and veterans day was last week and uh commissioner weaver.

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And I attended the gersteil academy, we were interviewed by fox 45 prior and.

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Commissioner, what's your name uh frasier also attended the only one that actually works there.

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I apologize, but we attended and it was just a wonderful event uh and it was um you know.

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Run by the students for 90, plus percent of it and uh very impressive and very impressive.

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You know um community over at kirstell academy, um also a veteran's day.

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Just a little piece I just want to share. I did a uh a piece on wbal tv uh last, a couple.

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Minutes and talks about resiliency and about the resiliency program, that's happening on fort meade.

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You could probably look up the video, or at least the article that.

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Was put together, it's tough to talk about, but it's important because as leaders.

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You know, or as a leader I don't want somebody going through.

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The challenges that I've gone through um and I don't want people waiting for 30 plus years.

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Before they're seeking the appropriate help, so that's what veterans day to me is about is.

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Not just thanking a veteran or putting up side, poles and monuments, but.

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Reaching out to veterans just like these hudson heroes do and provide purpose for our veterans.

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You know there is a turkey to my right, or at least the turkey thai, which is commissioner.

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Fraser and happy uh thanksgiving to all uh remembering huh you said turkey, no, this is.

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My far right, I'm glad it went by yeah. That's right. I think your tie beats out. Mr swamp he's.

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Thanksgiving uh family, friends and neighbors um ensure that we uh and again I don't want to.

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Be on pulpit talking about it, but focusing on our balance between what we do uh for the good of the.

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Community and what we do for the good community is also uh you know, strengthening the time we have.

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With family friends and our neighbors so happy early thanksgiving to all, it's also a reminder.

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That the offices will be closed on thanksgiving next uh next thursday.

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And the day after so on thursday and friday, thank you.

B

Yeah, the uh the planning and zoning I feel like a broken record, also.

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We want quality folks on planning zoning and uh you know we're being the bushes trying to.

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Reach out to folks we've had uh town halls, there's gonna be an upcoming meeting with the commissioner.

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At the end of this month, yeah that uh good commercial- it is november 30th november 13th.

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November 30th at the at the uh brand new uh social hall. So for no other reason, if you don't want to.

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Come come to see that you can put earmuffs on when I start talking, come to see that we're leaving.

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Right around them is that wayne's hall 7 p.m november, 30th. What is the best haul in the county.

B

Opportunity to have the conversation with commissioner lance and also uh understand.

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The importance of planning and zoning and the other boards and commissions that we have.

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Aging, disabilities and all the others so um look forward to the public hearing uh this afternoon.

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And this evening, to uh listen to what is being said, I think the work sessions that we've had.

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uh Let let up or is leading up to these public hearings.

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If you have not listened to the latest work session, please do because it may cover some of the.

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Grounds that want to be discussed during a public hearing so, instead of just being repetitive.

B

I think that's enough, you think so I think so. I did miss one thing I visited, which is kind.

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Of important had the opportunity to visit uh our emergency management headquarters, which is right.

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Around the corner from carroll at camp frederick in I guess reisterstown that would be considered.

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They had an open house yesterday, they are now they were mema and now they're mdem same thing, maryland.

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Department of emergency management so toward that facility, which uh is gonna soon be uh taken apart,.

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They're gonna do major renovations there, they're gonna, actually move to hanover maryland for a.

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Period of time until they renovate but carroll county's own russ strickland is now the secretary.

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Of emdem and that's a cabinet position, which many of us have been working for for quite a few years,.

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So, congratulations he's now on the governor's cabinet seated at the right hand, and those.

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Folks do amazing work just like with all things emergency management, nobody thinks about them.

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Until you have to until your shed's on fire, so.

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Kudos to what they do down there, a lot of folks from carroll work. There.

E

So had a great opportunity: val was there hawkins? He was there too. So.

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Carroll county was well represented yesterday. No thank you and um commissioner frazier did mention.

B

About cobin 19 and in the local news about the numbers continuing to rise here in carroll, county.

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After thanksgiving, we will have the health department here, presenting the numbers and.

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Understanding why the importance of vaccines matter and why masks matter and some of the myths.

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And facts associated with um the vaccines and the masks and the situations that we.

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Are aware of because there's a lot of misunderstandings, especially on social media,.

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On what vaccines do and do not do um so? I'd like to hear it from our health department, which I.

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Have full confidence in uh couldn't get them today, they're? uh Unfortunately, you know busy.

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Doing other you know activities, but uh you know as soon as we can, which would be the week.

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After thanksgiving um but just covet is still there and it's unfortunate and it's not just.

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An inconvenience because people are still getting sick and still dying from this, so.

B

Without that being the final damper, let's talk about water and sewer fall amendment.

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Miss lyndon price. Why don't you come on up here, an exciting subject to lighten the mood.

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And again, one of those things you don't know how important it is until something happens exactly.

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um So good morning, everyone good morning, I'm here with price wagner today, to present to you the fall.

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Amendment to the 2019 water and sewer master plan, chris has a presentation for you just to show you.

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What the proposed changes are for this amendment for the various towns. Again, we put forward.

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Information for for the towns and amend our plan that we send in jointly to maryland, department of.

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The environment- and there also is a section of the county's sewer system too, that is being amended.

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So with that, I'm going to turn it over to price wagner to show you what the proposed amendments.

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Are and the process moving forward good morning, commissioners, uh commissioner, lance has already.

N

Heard this yeah you may be excused, I don't blame you, it's nothing personal, but I don't blame you.

E

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So this is our fall amendment. Our amendments happen twice a year, the springtime in the fall.

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And then we also have a triangle update, which is every three years, so the amendments occur during.

N

The times of trial and update are being worked on, so I've said this before. So why don't mendo plan.

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Again, by annual amendments there twice a year spring and fall to update criteria that cannot.

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Wait for the trinity update the initiation by amendment individuals, property owners.

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Can can ask for property be amended whether they're in priority or they're, ready to tie in.

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If they're in future or want to move over or if they're, in a different.

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Situation say long range, a town system operator which carroll county assistant operator for the.

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Hampstead wastewater and, of course, obviously, the freedom, water reserve and then staff and.

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When I said when we say staff is pretty much, we look at it and it's sort of the staff of.

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County planning staff is also could be our our utility staff too. They may come to me and say.

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We need to look at updating this aspect of putting this property within the sewer service area.

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So we have three amendments. uh One in freedom, which is just for sewer westminster, is water only.

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And one in manchester is for water and for super, so the freedom sites for the sewer service area.

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This is a gentleman is actually requested by the owner uh garrett away and then you'll see down.

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Here is exchange drive, which is the ellensburg exchange, is right back here. This property owner.

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Is currently in long range but as you can see, he is surrounded by properties that are already.

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Tied here, and although we don't show it, the sewer line runs century high school is up this direction.

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And the sewer line runs through these properties to get away this gentleman.

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Has an easement that was in his his deed when he purchased the property that has the ability to.

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Tie into the sewer aspect should he choose so he's in the process? His septic is getting old and he's.

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Looking to going to replace septic or look at, there is sewer in around me and my neighbors and.

N

Have the ability to tie in is there a cost benefit or, and when you came back and you saw it, it was.

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Sort of it was almost a one for one, you say I'd rather go ahead and tie into the sewer instead of.

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Having to replace my step together, potentially 25 years down, the road 30 years again replaced again.

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So he is going to priority, that's where we go until you connect and then once he is connected.

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Then we'll change him into existing automatically. uh This is just adding.

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One dwelling unit so to be 250 gallons per day, is the estimate that we do based on nd requirements.

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It's very possible that it will come in a lot less than that, but in the 250 is what mde requires when.

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We're looking at building lights, even though the house is already built we're still using that 250.

N

Again, you can see up in this area. You can see here's the eight inch line that comes from.

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The high school, as well as elementary school, goes through right behind this property to get her away.

N

Now, in the city of west semester, this is that going to service all I mean because that's a.

B

Residence is it going to service all of those homes, I'm sorry it already does. It serves all.

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These homes are already connected just serve these or not. Those are not right and or they're.

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Not requesting to be, they are not requesting at this time and I believe the only reason.

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This gentleman's requesting is his subject was needed to be repaired or replaced, and he looked.

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At the cost of replacing and then tying in and he decided for maybe a little bit more, I will tie in.

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The sewer and not to worry about it, okay, so yes, these two properties down here are not requesting.

N

At this time, right and not knowing how their deeds are written, obviously the big thing is having the.

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Easement to get the sewer line to that property owner this is behind him. So because I believe I.

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Know the property we're talking about, so that is something he actually is in the process of, I think.

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Where the lot where the easement supposedly is yeah, he and the property owner behind him decided.

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That's not the best place, so they're moving the easement, so these are still there but they're.

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Going to move it and make it a better fit for both parties yeah and that's at their expense.

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And not the counties they're they're paying for this. Exactly that's sort of the this is that's.

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Where it came from, is a guy can spend x amount for septic or okay for maybe three thousand dollars.

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Mr wagner is there already infrastructure in place on that cul-de-sac? Road.

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The only infrastructure where, where would they be tying in from behind them or.

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Behind them, yes, sir, the line pretty much splits these properties, there's almost there's right down.

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On the back side of this property and this property and then tied into gear away, there.

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Is no infrastructure, uh so these houses right here this house retire, is probably tying in laterally.

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This house is tied in from the end, so for these two houses to tie in is assuming there would have.

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To be an event somewhere, either through this property going to tie in or since the line.

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Goes up into this part of garroway, so there is no infrastructure right now in that cul-de-sac.

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I think I was just curious. I thought maybe the development was built with infrastructure in it.

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But they opted not to tie in, but it doesn't exist right now. All right. Thank you for clarifying that.

N

So this is the city of westminster. This request was brought by the city.

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On behalf of the property owner, and actually I believe in your packet you'll see the letter.

N

From the property owner sort of stating his reasoning for wanting to come out.

N

It looks like two parcels, but actually it's one parcel.

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And this portion right here is the remainder of the stonegate subdivision, which is right off of.

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All westminster pike, where the roundabout is the new roundabout that was put into place.

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So he is looking to. He was wanting to come out of the system. Totally not long range come out totally.

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He has no won't need or any desire to potentially develop this property.

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The properties that are currently served are outside the city limits and there are water only.

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So there is no septic in this in this part, this subdivision here that is pretty probably built.

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Back in the late early 80s late 80s, so these these properties of woodside drive those properties and.

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Glen drive are only water served by water only by the city of westminster, their own septic.

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So this property, these properties, could yes develop own well and septic again, it'll be.

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Seven lots total because they're outside of the service area and they'll be on well and septic.

N

Again, the gentleman requested via his letter that he does not want to be in the service area.

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The city was okay, with that their planning commission certified that everything is good and.

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They will update their their comprehensive plan to show that those two that one portion of the.

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Property will be removed from their sewer service area when it comes so, in this case, the city will.

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In essence, recoup demand of 72 000, sorry, seven thousand two hundred eighty five gallons.

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That they don't have to worry about that could be used it's if you're the demand is coming out.

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Of their their service area, all together, however, they also that would give them the ability should.

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Somebody else, or somebody else need something they have a buffer, that they could potentially.

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Add back in but with the water allocation policy that the town the city has in place.

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This helps them make that allocation policy work better for them. So there's going to be 31 units.

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In this area that it could potentially be 31 units based on buildable land inventory that we showed.

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Again, you'll see it right down here.

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Is where it is and stonegate is, stonegate goes down to the bottom.

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That is all going to be environmental, steep slopes, forestry, that type of thing.

N

So manchester is twofold: water and sewer.

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And in the water portion, there's four properties and in the sword portion there's only three. This.

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Property right here off the locus lane is this portion, is a larger property encompasses.

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All of this aspect, this portion, that is, highlighted and shown to be in long range.

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Is the only portion that's within the town limits and they're in the process? Right now,.

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Of the engineering, the u.s site plan they're working with the developer, to put solar.

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On this, this portion this area right here, so this whole area would look they're looking to do solar.

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So with that being said, they requested for the that property, this portion of property within the.

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Town to come out of the service area for water and sewer, because typically solar does not need.

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Water and or sewer we put it in long range so that down the road 25 years depends on the life of.

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The solar should the solar come back out and they want to come back in being in long range, gives the.

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Ability because they're in the overall plan map wise it'll, show long range. The demand does.

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Not go towards any of the allocation aspect, so that helps so you'll see properties that.

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This one was with the infrastructure, may not be in place, or is the development that they would.

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Like to have one day, but at this point in time they don't have the ability to serve so they put.

N

In the long range, which is 10 plus years- and it gives the town or utility supplier, the ability to.

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Put the infrastructure there one day: should it ever get there, and sometimes it never occurs.

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What exists on a property right now? Is it forest buildings or right now? It is all.

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Open farmland, okay and the rest of the property, I believe, will stay in the farm.

N

Yeah exactly, I believe, this property right here.

N

That's this one or this one is the spray irrigation for the town of manchester.

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This is the I call it the thomas tree farm. This is the wayne thomas property, which is currently.

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Outside the city, the town limits for manchester the property was put into the new municipal growth.

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Area in our 2018 comprehensive plan, they have, the town has written a letter and they, it was written.

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On september 16th to jp when they, this property is going good, looking to go into ag press, and I.

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Believe, commissioner, says you actually last week you talked about this right during commission, so.

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The town said they will. The letter is, they are removing this from the municipal growth area.

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Up to town, so that way there it will not be within the growth area. It's still outside the time limits.

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They don't serve outside their town limits, and this will allow the property going to ag.

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Prez, my understanding is also the property owners. Besides doing ag, prez is also looking to utilize.

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Some, if not all, of the property for water recharge for baton, rouge town in manchester, uh so that is.

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Sort of where, because, obviously, since it's still a christmas tree farm depends on where the soil is.

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And how it works, but that is what they're they are looking to do this property, based on our buildable.

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Land inventory could have had 107 watts on it and that would have been 26, 250 gallons of water a day.

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So with this and the other one that we have, that you'll see for water, the net change for the town.

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Of manchester is the removal of 23, 750 gallons of potential demand, which helps there be able to.

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Serve those who are already in the system, whether it's priority or future, it just helps make sure.

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They have all the ability to keep going and have the ability to make sure they're able to serve.

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Those who are currently in the system in the plan to tie in within the next zero to 10 years, if not.

E

So let me let me just stop you for a minute price, though I think this is an appropriate.

E

Time for me to bring up something, that's occurred uh and linda you probably don't know about this.

E

It just happened, I'm having a chance to meet with staff about it, but uh you know this: this was an.

E

Interesting discussion, uh the thomas tree farm uh in in planning and zoning uh and the question was.

E

Asked about removing it from the mga or the dga, whatever you want to call it md whatever um and.

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You know the the ramifications of that when it when it uh as it pertains to the future growth.

E

Of carol and what we're attempting to do so, a good discussion uh from some of the folks.

E

On the planning and zoning, but what I hinted at a couple weeks ago when this first came to light and.

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Perhaps I brought it up last week is this: could open the door for others to do the same thing.

E

Which I find to be a little bit challenging so with that being said, I received an email.

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Yesterday, from an individual who owns a farm in tawny town, that's in their.

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Mga or dga requesting to be taken out of that, so that it can go into ag land press so.

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I I predicted, and it's not about me predicting but I did say.

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That this could have the potential of other folks uh saying. Well, wait! Wait a minute.

E

So I'm gonna be forwarding that to the appropriate staff.

E

Linda you'll get that here later this morning, uh but it's an interesting topic of discussion.

E

That um that we need to have now, obviously that's up to the town, we know that, uh but it's also.

E

Goes to you know the balance that we talk about when it comes to economic growth, ag prez and.

E

Having residential units, regardless of whether they're in their municipalities or not, doesn't.

C

Some of this have to do with water availability, though, in some of these areas from these towns.

E

That's why I brought it up because, yes, I mean for manchester the availability, I believe no, they.

N

That area I mean I've, been in meetings with uh steve miller town manager that he would.

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Come back and say you know how well they're they're, just they are so full. We don't have.

N

We have so much water in other areas. It may be the water availability, correct.

N

um Because I do know, other areas are having challenges with water. You know they're not.

N

Able to have all their wells up and running for certain reasons, or it's just the way. The.

N

Aquifers they're in they don't have the water to cover the potential growth if they do their whole.

N

Growth area, so I think um it's a good point. I mean being prepared on how we're setting a precedence.

B

On inaction to others that are saying this and saying: well, why not me so, I think setting the.

B

Precedence would be that we're looking at specific criteria associated with the.

B

And it'll be case by case because you, you know there are properties around the county.

B

That they're going to say well what about me, you know and well you did it there. Why not here.

B

You know we got to be very clear here: are the um criteria associated and get this digital come back.

B

To us right and ultimately, it's up to the town in this particular instance. Again necessarily I mean.

H

Just a couple points on the municipal growth area that is jointly decided by the county and the.

H

Municipality, so you may not want to shrink the municipal growth theory. That is something that.

H

Would have to be discussion, um but when they come forward you know that's something that I believe.

H

Ag press brings to you also that they want to come out, and this is not the first time that this has.

H

Happened: we've had this in new windsor and we've had it in tawny town on multiple occasions. I'm.

H

Coming forward, so this I don't want, this is not the precedent setting this precedent has already.

H

Been set um with the ag prez and the municipal growth areas and the removal or changing of either.

H

Zoning or the boundary so not that that's a topic of this discussion, but this is not the precedent.

H

um I just want to be clear on that yeah and and again I'm sure that it's not, but as more and more.

E

Of this occurs, it does become front and center because of the well wait a minute if they can.

E

Do it, why can't I I'm not disagreeing with that so again, I'll I'll forward, that to you and the.

E

Appropriate personnel and ag pres and you all, have to put your heads together and see where it goes.

E

Next steps, I think she reached out to me as her commissioner for the initial uh poke, if you will.

E

So didn't mean to interrupt yeah I did. I didn't mean that.

E

That's a good point. Well, we can hopefully answer your questions. This is, is the woodhaven building.

N

And development properties, you actually may remember the annexation that occurred this past.

N

Spring of what was the lippie problem, which is this portion right here, is considered the lippy.

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Property right across from manchester valley high. This is a subdivision that was recorded in.

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Back in about 1974, considering it's called old town, never built just lines on the ground, platinum.

N

The developer woodhaven building is looking to do 40 total units on the old libby property.

N

That was just annexed in and what is considered the old town section so.

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What we have is the there's eight properties already, this portion of the lippie property.

N

Back here was already within town limits and was already within the water and sewer service area.

N

So this with buildable land inventory could provide eight eight units. The rest of it would be.

N

32 more units and what we would be asking is they're asking to add roughly 8, 000 gallons total.

N

To cover the remaining 32 units, this is this: portion of these areas are shown.

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In their comprehensive plan, as being within the priority sewer service area,.

N

Their planning commission certified consistency at their october meeting and they are.

N

Looking to again move this in, so they can hopefully move forward with the woodhaven.

N

Building and development properties and start potentially, the owners can start looking at doing.

N

A subdivision for those properties across from manchester valley, um one of the questions that may.

N

Have come up before is, and I just say the town has definitely showed interest in making sure that the.

N

Entrance to this new subdivision ship to be across from maple grove, uh maple grove road, so.

N

If you light it so, instead of having it all set, it will be more of a which you hopefully won't.

N

This is the final one in manchester for water. This is pv manchester llc, which is.

N

Considered patriots overlook, the portion that is actually highlighted was just annexed in that.

N

Petition was before commissioned back in the spring or summer and they are looking to add.

N

It's a 38 likes or plan total. There are already 11 lots that are in the priority that are.

N

In the plan, so 26 lots are not accounted for so adding those 26 new.

N

I'm sorry 26 lots are in the already in the water and sewer service area. There's 11 lots.

N

That are not planned, for so those 11 lots they're looking to bring that which will be those 11.

N

Lots will pretty much be with the portion that was annexed in so that would add 2, 750 gallons.

N

Of water and again, the net water change is a negative twenty three thousand seven. Fifty because.

N

Of the automatic uniform same thing, just sort of looking quickly for sewer the exact same thing.

N

Again, you'll see here's the thomas tree far from water, locust lane, the solar particular solar farm.

N

The movie properties- and this is the patriots overlook and for sewer.

N

It is these three properties again, so this will be looking to bring in 11 properties for sewer.

N

This one 32 properties for sewer and then removing this portion and putting the long.

N

Range there is, there was the thomas tree farm was not in the sewer service area.

N

So that may be another potential, since they weren't in the sewer service area.

N

They really couldn't do 107 houses, because you can't have more than seven lights on sewer or.

N

Septic, sorry, um so that sort of that that may be another reason why the town was okay with.

N

Doing this? Because they didn't currently have them in the sewer service area and.

N

Didn't have a plan for it they weren't even in long range. They were in new plant service.

N

So again, there's the solar farm, locust lane. This is a living property again.

N

Patriots overlook and the sewer net change.

N

Would add just 2, 500 gallons total to the town of manchester's sewer demands and they are.

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In good shape, when it comes to capacity demand versus capacity.

N

This is what the map will look like. Should we move forward.

N

Again, just updating the tables for manchester and westminster.

N

From the water- and I believe in the packets actually just is just those two uh individually.

N

And then the same uh updating the freedom, sykesville.

N

Which you may know that does not move at all, because 250 gallons in the grand scheme of things.

N

Does not will not move the needle manchester for sewer is just adding to 2 500 gallons.

N

So the completed actions we've updated the maps and the tables, the town of manchester.

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Certified on october 19th, the city of westminster, certified on november, the 11th.

N

And then our planning commission certified on the 16th, which was tuesday.

N

So the next steps over here is a public hearing december. The 2nd.

N

And then the county commission, discussion decision and adoption of a resolution on may the 16th wow.

N

I don't know why that says: may I'm sorry december the 16th okay and then we would forward it to in.

N

The seventh it'll be before christmas, so the 17th or that monday tuesday, wednesday, before christmas.

N

And should more than likely, it will be after the first year before you get a response back mde and.

N

The maryland apartment planning have been received, they have looked at the draft we've done so far.

N

We have not received any comments back. I've have I've had talks with mail in the department of.

N

Planning and I believe just in the talk we've had I've satisfied their questions. They had.

N

Especially based on the manchester aspect, so without any major surprises, I don't see why.

N

This wouldn't be totally finally approved by the melanie department of environment, of course, until.

N

We get that letter. The final action letter is how it's going to be so what we're asking for today.

N

Is that the staff moves that the board of county commissioners proceed with a public hearing.

N

For the 2021 fall amendment to the 2019 water and sewer master plan to be held on december, the 2nd.

N

That is emotionally recommended. Okay very well presented um just like public hearings, we're doing.

B

This afternoon this evening, um I look forward to you know: participation in public hearing.

B

And also recognize, like you know, from the work sessions we've had. I don't want to say we just.

B

Roll over to what's being said, because we don't, we take into consideration very strong consideration.

B

The community's input, so if the community you know, wants to make.

B

Recommended changes: this is an opportunity to do that and we will then take it. You know from there.

B

But uh you know too often we hear oh, it's gone to the planning and zoning and therefore we're.

B

Just going to sign on, I don't think: we've done that and I think we have a proven track record.

B

That that doesn't happen so, um but very well uh presented I'll move the board county commission to.

C

Proceed with a public hearing for the 2021 public amendment to the 2019 border and sewer master plan.

E

Second, I got a motion. I got a second. Is there any discussion on this seen hearing none all in favor.

B

Aye. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Now, let's talk about purchasing some radios and accessories to.

B

Issue to six volunteer fire companies, mr campbell.

O

Good morning, commissioners, I'm also uh very pleased to have mr jack brown with me this today.

O

Jack's, the the county's emerging communications manager, who basically runs our number one sign.

O

Or dispatch center, as you said, uh commissioner, uh we're here today to discuss the proposed purchase.

O

Of 192 motorola solutions, portable radios for six more of our volunteer fire companies.

O

This is the uh would be the would be the third of five planned incremental.

O

Or fiscal year for fiscal year, purchases of the radio is to make this transition of.

O

All our public safety users, the proposed purchase, would provide the portable radios needed by.

O

The hampstead union bridge reese new windsor, sykesville and winfield volunteer fire companies.

O

um Their the funding needed to make this purchase the proposed cost of eight hundred ninety one.

O

Thousand one hundred eleven dollars and sixty three cents is included in the approved budget.

O

So no additional monies would be needed if you were to choose to proceed with the purchase.

O

So this is a planned again year, three of a five-year plan to transition all of public.

O

Safety to the the newest platform of uh radios that are available, this is something that we are.

O

Very pleased to propose, as the next step this is a I'll use the term. The consequence of us.

O

Not being funded in our assistant to firefighter grant application or a majority of these radios.

O

Would have been funded through that grant, so this was planned. It's funded the monies.

O

Are there, but in light of the significant amount of money that's involved, it requires, commissioner,.

O

Approval, if we were to proceed just a question, how does this fit into our new.

C

Director of fire me and our service and the volunteers, how is this going to fit? Actually it's.

O

A great question, commissioner, had that discussion with director robinson to his credit, because.

O

This was a plan in place. um He was very much supportive of the proposal reviewed everything.

O

Previous measures proposed measures and he's very much on board and I'm sure if the director.

O

Was here I'm confident that he would concur? I don't think it was a great question. I think.

B

It may have been good, it was average okay, it was an average change. I agree is that emotion.

B

That is a motion. Saying is not a great question, a second okay, okay. So how long do these radios last.

O

The proposed radios, the apex, have between 10 to 12 year and the reason why I say between.

O

Is because, depending on who, you ask for motorola solutions, you've asked folks from engineering.

O

They'll tell you 12 years, because they're involved in design and build. If you have people who sell.

O

Them they'll tell you a minimum of 10 years, but the good news is. We have a track record.

O

With these motorola products that they greatly exceed what they share so when they say a minimum.

O

It is a very, very conservative minimum, I'm shy of a change in technology. I can't I can't even.

O

Foresee the the time to have to upgrade to the next level, admittedly motorola or someone out.

O

There could come out with the new technology tomorrow that we simply have no way of knowing.

O

But for everything that we have to make a decision on, this is a transition for the foreseeable future.

D

So they'll support these radios with absolutely absolutely and and maybe to add some context.

O

Motorola solutions offers a minimum six months notification to their customers.

O

When they are going to terminate production of or manufacturing of a product, and then.

O

Once that cut off that no longer manufactured, then an additional five years of guaranteed.

O

Support materials, technology etc. So I would say at absolute minimum if they told us today, they're.

O

Going to stop for the day after we buy them, we'll have five and a half years at an absolute bare.

O

Minimum scott bear with us one second sure ted yeah. I just wanted to make sure you understood.

P

Something you know um when motorola changes their support or how long a particular radio lasts.

P

We're budgeting for these radios every year all the time this goes on forever, so.

G

It's always going to be part of the picture. The details, change.

P

Right right I mean I understand we have ongoing budget with this. We I just like to know that.

D

Have some type of confidence that they're going to be supported in the future? So we don't have.

D

To put all new radios in every five years or something that's all understood, and you know.

B

It's a sticker shock when you see something like 891 thousand dollars, but for the community.

B

Especially to understand that these decisions are not made right now on spending 891 000.

B

They are executing the monies that we have budgeted through the budget process.

B

Which occurred last, you know year or earlier this year. Excuse me absolutely so it's it's an.

B

Execution of something, like you said, is within the budget. It is not just saying: here's 890.

B

Thousand dollars here you go, it's great, you know it's the next step to a process. So, okay.

B

So you know it's a lot of money. It looks like a sticker shot, but it's what we but but to that.

O

Point, commissioner, I think it's an excellent uh way. It's an excellent segment. No, it's an.

O

Excellent segue to the fact that that's why we approach it this way because of the cause.

B

I agree: it's excellent, I would say it's average so I'll make the motion.

D

County commissioners, before anything, uh authorize the director of public safety to purchase the apx.

B

6000Xc, portable radios and accessories, as proposed.

B

As well as approved payments of the resolution bill, I'll second, that one too okay.

B

Do we need two actions? Just one I've got a motion. I've got a second any discussion on this.

B

All in favor all right, okay, bye, though, thank you, commissioners. Thank you, jack.

E

While you're there, yes, sir how's the people power at the 9-1-1 center, are we up to.

E

uh The amount that you need are you still we're still trying to get the get the.

Q

Numbers all the way up to where we, where we should be okay. How many are you down uh four.

Q

Four right now are you okay? What are the salary ranges of the four well ecs one starting okay,.

E

Okay, it's always a always a important topic of discussion. uh You know that we had four start.

Q

Three weeks ago and we've already lost two, so yeah yeah yeah it that's a it's a tough job. I.

E

Mean I I did it part time for a while, but uh you know you've heard me say many many times it's the.

E

It's the first of the front line uh and it's very important. So you know, while you were here.

E

Not to mention the fact you didn't get to say anything while you're here. Thank you.

Q

I'm okay with that yeah. I know, but uh it's always good to hear the up.

E

The update on where you are with uh people power over there, we expect to be advertising again.

Q

Shortly after the first of the year, okay, when you say we already lost two in a couple weeks,.

D

Did they just say they don't like this line of work or did they give somewhere else.

D

Because it takes a lot of training, one was, I believe, a personal issue. The other was they.

Q

Accepted another job that was their first choice right, so they were here one day and then.

J

And then, then to their other job. Are you tenured if you're here for one day, that's no.

I

Thank you all right. Thank you. I just want to thank you guys for making three of these.

I

Six fire companies in regards to radios in district four thanks for showing them some love.

I

Thank you. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you, okay, mr zaleski, and let's talk about the.

B

Quarterly updates and budget transfers to close the completed capital projects.

P

Says commissioner rostein just said: they're really here for two different things. One is just to.

P

Update you on kind of what's happening on the air and the others to do a few small cleanup things.

P

In the capital budget, so on what's happening, of course, it's still very early. Lots can change so.

P

This is just a kind of look with the information we have today. You know on the revenue side.

P

Our two largest revenues for now we're saying coming in on budget property tax. We don't have.

P

Any new information income tax we've gotten some distributions, but our first big distribution.

P

Will actually be coming in a a week or so so we haven't seen a lot yet, although one notable thing.

P

We did have a reconciling distribution, so a lot of the money that comes in during the.

P

Year is matching up what actually happened in tax returns to what we've received along the way and.

P

That distribution was planned for 1.9 million dollars. We got zero dollars. I think I think this.

P

Is right? That was the first time we've ever gotten zero for that distribution.

P

So that was an indication that we have gotten too much money in other years. What we don't.

P

Know is how much more correction is ahead of us? Was that it, or is there millions more to go.

P

So uh stay tuned on that the other notable thing in revenues is.

P

Because of the continuing hot housing market, recreation is running well ahead of budget.

P

Right now, if we continued on the same trend, we'd be about five and a half million dollars.

P

Over budget, uh I I don't think it'd be a good idea to assume we're going to stay on this same trend.

P

We're starting to see some slowing in the housing market still still very hot, but not as hot as it.

P

Was- and it's certainly possible that later in the year we're going to see that things are going to.

P

Slow down some so that that five and a half million dollars is is part of our estimate.

P

Now of revenues coming in 5.7 million dollars over so almost the whole thing right now is.

P

About recreation and and that could change on the expenditure side, we're projecting.

P

About seven million dollars to be unexpected again very early, so you know you don't want.

P

To put too much weight on that, yet the biggest part of that is the reserve for contingencies.

P

If things lead us to to go there, then then that changes and of course the big question mark is.

P

Always what is the winter like with with snow and ice? That's our most common, unexpected expenditure.

P

The rest of the savings or largely the rest of the savings is about open positions and we've.

P

Talked about this for other purposes, but we we have a good number of open positions or have had.

P

uh Not spending on the salaries, so at the end of the year, that money will still be there.

P

Oh yeah, of course, and with a change in the uh implementation of new fire and ems, we.

P

Have money budgeted, that's not being spent yet so that's another big piece right now.

P

So uh the combination of those things as things stand, we'd see ending the year about 13 million.

P

Dollars to the good a little over 4 million of that is already planned for the following year.

P

So that would leave about nine million dollars.

P

And you're currently sitting on about 29 million dollars of unassigned fund balance.

P

So the combination of those would put us at about 38 million dollars.

P

um I I think, that's all. I really wanted to share with you on that unless you have.

P

Some questions or something you want me to go a little deeper into.

C

That's better and negative here. Well, we tried very hard to avoid that.

P

You know I've said to many people on many occasions when they object to the idea of.

P

A surplus at the end of the year that if we don't end up with a surplus, something went wrong.

P

Okay, so now we have three capital resolutions.

P

These are our minor items. This is basically just a way to clean up some things during the.

P

Year so it doesn't all get done waiting for the end of the year. First, one c22.05.

P

P

uh Move money from four projects that are completed.

P

Part of it would go to general government unallocated and part of it would go to public.

P

Works unallocated these unallocated projects- these are, these- are existing capital projects.

P

Where we keep some money, this is appropriated and available for use, but not earmarked for for any.

P

Use this can come up when we need to find money during the year that has not been planned for.

P

And something we're experiencing a lot now we have projects that are coming in more.

P

Expensive than we planned for this is often the place we can go to say. How do we make this good.

P

So, what's the breakdown I apologize? What's the breakdown of general government in dpw, okay,.

P

The general government unallocated is getting 150 000 and the public works unallocated.

P

Is getting just under 140 dollars? Was this um discussed during uh the administrative session on.

B

Where you want to put this money or just curious, I mean: how could you come up with you know with the.

B

Director castaway, this is the money that should go into your into your coffers, how's that work.

P

uh No, no science here right, we're basically just trying to.

P

Keep money available in different spots yeah and in the end, if you needed to find money, it.

P

Really doesn't matter uh just because we called it general government unallocated doesn't mean.

P

You couldn't use it for a public works purpose right or sometimes I'm just I'm just curious. How.

B

You know you're you're, just moving it to these allocated funds, and you know not not questioning.

B

You know the the why, but just how it's done. Do you kind of yeah we're you know we we just look at how.

P

Much is in them yeah the likelihood of needing to to use it and like we have a reckon parks.

P

Allocated too yeah sometimes we'll have a big rec and parks project, but, generally speaking, we don't.

P

Have something as big as we might have in public works, so we wouldn't keep the same amounts there.

J

And one of the reasons why you're seeing general government, unallocated and public works on.

J

Allocated is because recently we had to transfer funds for the farm, museum, maintenance, building.

J

And we did take money out of general government, unallocated and public works on allocated.

J

Leaving small balances in both of them, so we are looking to close some of these projects.

J

Get some replenish those funds in case another project comes along that needs some funding.

J

Okay and actually in the next budget process, because of the current environment and because.

P

The balances in these have gotten low. We probably will be building in some recommendations to you to.

P

Build these unallocateds up a little bit.

P

Okay, uh I probably probably should just take folks as we go here. That's okay,.

B

Oh, is that what you want? You want three separate votes. Yes, three separate actions: okay,.

B

I'll move the board commissioners approve capital, budget resolution c.

B

22.05 to close out several capital projects and transfer remaining cash.

B

To unallocated accounts in government and general government and public forks.

B

Okay, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion of this. Okay, all in favor.

B

All right: okay, let's go to c2206 okay, and this is a similar action. Except now we are in reckon parks.

P

And, generally speaking, if it's in, if we're closing out a rec and parks project, we will we will move.

P

That to uh the rec and parks unallocated, although if it's general funds you're, you don't have to do.

P

That that's still totally in your discretion, but on this one we are closing out the crim gold park.

P

And moving a little under 22 000 to reckon parks, unallocated.

D

I'll make the motion board of commissioners approve the capital budget resolution c.

D

That's 22.06 to close out several capital projects and transfer any remaining cash on a.

D

Unallocated account accounts in parks and rec.

B

Okay, I got a motion in a couple of seconds and discussion on this.

B

Here are none all in favor all right: okay, let's go to zero seven and the last one is also in.

P

Reckon parks this is with self-help projects. We are closing out two projects, one. We are moving.

P

The available money back into the self-help fund and one actually needed 12 to be.

P

Closed out so we're taking care of that and then with the self-help projects. Our practice is when.

P

We close a self-help project. We we move the money back to self-help so that it can be used again for.

P

Another self-help project in the future, although again, if that's general funds, there's nothing.

P

That requires you to do that. You could always make a choice, but that's our general approach.

B

Any questions on this.

C

Board of county commissioners approved capital budget resolution c c22.07 to close out.

C

Self-Help project and transfer remaining cash to uh self-help, central self-help. Second motion.

B

Second, any discussion karen scene, none all in favor all right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

B

Okay, I'm glad I have a mic, so I want to holler.

B

All the way to the back, but let's talk about lighting upgrades over at deer park.

B

That's funny it's like in school. Nobody wants to sit in front of the classroom.

I

Good morning, commissioners, good morning good morning, our first.

L

Approval is to get your approval is um request. Your approval to use the term contractor eastern.

L

Sales and engineering company to install high efficiency led luminaries and other necessary.

L

Field lighting upgrades to the main field at deer park in the amount of 254 thousand.

L

Three hundred eight dollars and thirty seven cents. This is within the approved budget, so.

L

No additional funding should be needed morning. Commissioners, this is another project where we're.

M

Maintaining our existing park infrastructure, you may recall in the last budget we received.

M

1.5 million dollars from the state this was for local park and playground infrastructure projects.

M

So the entire cost of this project is fully supported by those state funds. There is no local.

M

Match required and what this will do, this will provide improved lighting at the site, there'll.

M

Be a lot less light spillage so much higher light quality and much less energy consumption, fantastic.

C

Automatic turn off times. We will have that yes, one day we'll have that at sandy mound as well.

M

But yes, we'll be able to control these remotely, and this is the same company that recently put.

M

The lights in up to carroll, county sports, complex on the multi-purpose field there and having that.

B

Remote capability is a really nice addition. Oh yeah. You said this was a competitive bid.

L

It's actually one of our term contracts. It's a term contract, though yes, which.

B

Was originally connected? Okay, so in other words, we use them and we've been using them.

B

Yeah, is it a just because it's a three-year contract or is it one and three? Is it three.

C

Term contract for eastern sales and engineering company to install lighting upgrades to deer.

C

Park in the amount of 254 308 dollars and 37 cents. Second, okay: I got a motion in a second.

C

Any discussion on this all in favor all right. Okay, thank you. Thank you away. Mark you get.

B

To come up maureen, you stay right there, cisco, smart net support services, renewal.

L

Morning, commissioners, good morning morning, we are here to ask your approval to award the contract.

L

For cisco, smart net support services to digicon corporation in the amount of 202 000, who were.

L

Dollars and 42 cents, the purchase is being made through a maryland state contract. Again this is.

L

Within within the adopted budget, no additional funds should be needed, so basically, commissioners.

R

Is about 210 devices that are used to make our entire network run for all the facilities.

R

In between all of the facilities that are there, this contract gives us all of the support that.

R

We need the upgrade to the software um to protect us from cyber security attacks. It is a 24 7, 365.

R

um Day year that these devices are are being monitored and if something would go wrong.

R

And they has- and um fortunately you haven't seen a whole lot of downtime because of this contract.

R

They are able to quickly come in either help us diagnose what the problem is with a piece.

R

Of equipment or quickly replace that piece of equipment so that we can continue to operate.

B

These are our funds in our budget. It says in no additional funds, so it's we, we budgeted this.

B

During the cycle, this is in my it budget. Yesterday, okay, we're using the maryland state contract to.

B

Correct this: okay, okay I'll make the most of the board of commissioners award to contract, to cisco.

D

Smart net support services to digicon corporation the amount of 202 thousand four dollars and 42.

D

Cents, sorry, I got a motion. I got a second anything else discussion here, none all in favor all right.

B

Okay, apc symmetra, px80, revitalization library headquarters. Let's talk about this.

B

We were seeking your approval to award the apc somatic px80 revitalization to term contractor.

L

Chesapeake mission critical in the amount of thirty thousand fifty five dollars.

L

Again, it's in the adoptive budget and additional funds that should be needed so and we are doing.

R

This um all of this equipment is now coming end of life. We've had it for about seven eight years.

R

That it's been in place, we've replaced the actual batteries they're, not part of this particular.

R

um Part but we've had to replace the batteries before to keep them fresh and up-to-date, and this.

R

Is a software and hardware upgrade to that system? This system is extremely important in keeping our.

R

Equipment off should we ever lose any electricity up there. It um is used by four different agencies.

R

For backups the 911 center, the windsor 9-1-1 center, all those types of things.

R

Are connected to this system, so we don't want it to go down if we lose power.

R

For a variety of reasons, yeah, all right, I make the motion we approve.

E

The apc symmetra px80 revitalization return term contractor chesapeake mission, critical.

E

Thirty thousand fifty five dollars a second. I got a motion to secondary further discussions.

B

Seen here, none all in favor all right. Thank you so much mark. Thank you a couple more to go.

B

Let's talk about purchasing a ford transit, 350, cutaway van.

B

Good morning, good morning,.

B

Doesn't mean I'm feeling blue okay, we are requesting your approval.

L

To award the purchase of one 2021 ford, transit, 350, cutaway van to craft ford in the amount of 53 469.

L

This purchase was originally going to take place through apple ford and.

L

But we are requesting that that be cancelled and make the purchase through kraus ford.

L

Because of the um extended time delivery through.

L

Through ford company not actually apple, but through the company and again it is within.

L

The budget and um no additional funds should be necessary and if you have any questions.

S

Yeah, so basically that's what we're looking for your approval to do.

S

Is cancel the vehicle we ordered in august because we're not expecting.

S

To have that until about may or june of 22. uh kraus ford has this van in stock.

S

And part of the reason why we're coming to you, if you recall a few weeks ago,.

S

We had spoken about, we have a couple of wreck bands and facilities.

S

So what this will do is not only allow us to get this van immediately, but the van that that will.

S

Be replacing, which is a 2005 chevy van. We can use that as a substitute for one of those wrecked vans.

D

Make the most of the board commissioners of commissioners awarded purchase of one 2021 ford.

D

Transit 350 cutaway van to cross for the amount of fifty three thousand four hundred. Ninety six.

D

Dollars four hundred and sixty sixty nine, oh six, nine. What do I say yeah so, what's the price again.

D

Fifty three thousand four hundred and sixty nine dollars I'll second, that okay, I got a.

B

Motion second, any conversation on this one: it's just gonna get tougher. Unfortunately, all in favor.

B

Okay: let's talk about 2021, pipe culvert and storm drain rehabilitation.

L

We are asking your approval to award the contract for the 2021 pipe culvert and storm drain.

L

Rehabilitation to pleasants construction in the amount of four hundred one thousand one hundred.

L

Sixty nine dollars and sixty three cents, this was a competitively sealed bid. We received four.

L

Responses um and this map is within the adopted budget and we should not need any additional funds.

L

I'm sure chris can answer your questions about the project. Thank you. um This project includes placing.

T

Approximately 3 200 linear feet of cured in place pipe and pipe culverts and storm drain segments.

T

Ranging from size 15 inch to 60 inch in diameter, there are 45 pipe locations on 23 different.

T

Roadways, these are the roadways that are currently in our pavement rehabilitation program. Now.

T

This type of work is expected to extend pipe life to 30 to 40 years. Some studies have said.

T

50, however, we're only in the 49th year of uh using this product, so we got one more year to.

T

See if we'll reach that 50-year mark or not the estimated cost, if we had to replace these pipes.

T

Completely is about nine hundred fifty thousand dollars so savings about five hundred forty eight.

T

Thousand dollars, plus a lot of these pipes, run through dry or yards, and things like that. It's.

T

Much less intrusive to these properties and not a lot of impact. So we've used this contractor before.

T

In physical year 19 and according to their website, they installed about 1.2 million feet of cured in.

T

Place pipe in the u.s they've done well for us, I think in the last several years. Yes, well I mean.

B

Why a 50, you know difference in cost between them and the other three. Well, they didn't get our fy 20.

T

Bit they got outbid and the two areas where they got outbid this year. They significantly underbid.

T

Those the other contractors, okay, on those two areas, I really think they want the work.

T

um They've been asking us: if we have any work told them, you know, keep checking public purchase and I.

T

Think they want to do this work, so they decided that they wanted to make sure they got to work.

T

This time, they're hungry, okay, we're happy with the I would think so as long as you're, you know.

B

Confident that they will complete the work I mean we have no reason to believe they won't awesome.

B

Okay, I'll move the board of commissioners award the contractor for 2021 pipe culvert.

B

And storm drainage, rehabilitation to pleasance construction incorporated an amount of 401.

B

169 dollars and 63 cents that motion got second and further discussion.

B

Scene here, none all in paper, all right, okay, mourinho got to go away. Thank you very much.

B

Let's talk about the northern landfill master plan, development.

B

Gentlemen, good morning, do you have a presentation, more questions.

B

I um is the caller about this topic. I have no way of knowing that um I'm just going to make.

T

Sure we don't check each okay. Can you open it up yeah reach out to the caller, and I can.

B

T

Please uh this.

B

Listen, I is have a particular comment to make at this time. Okay, thanks, jackie, okay, gentlemen,.

U

Great thank you, commissioners. um This morning uh we can do a just just a brief update on where we.

U

Are with our master plan study uh we've had a lot of requests coming in over the last.

U

Few weeks since we closed on this property um of multiple different things from things that are.

U

Associated with landfill operations, some things that are not with landfill operations and as the.

U

Board of commissioners has stated to us previously with the purchase of this land. The key part of.

U

This is to enhance our solid waste enterprise fund and make sure we're making long-term decisions.

U

uh The right decisions for today tomorrow in the future, so we just wanted to give you a brief.

U

Update of what we purchased and uh where we are with the plan and the next, uh the next few steps.

U

uh Time wise, so everybody just so everybody has an understanding of this, isn't just a buy it today.

U

Start putting stuff on it tomorrow, thing there's got to be a little time in between so cliff. I'm.

U

Going to turn it over to you as you're, trying to figure out so I'm trying to figure out the.

V

Lag on the uh that's, not ours! Sorry about that landfill property that has to map this out and.

V

The lag is is, what's getting me.

V

uh I wanted to be able to show both at the same time chris. If you can help me.

V

Out or somebody can help me out split the screen, hey what if you just get the.

M

Virtual backup I'll run it from up here. Okay, here we go.

V

I think we can do it this way. I apologize for that.

V

Nope, all good, so are you, are you running it or is chris um okay? I think I could do this.

V

Do you want the note's important? I want to get rid of them. Okay, all the way to the right.

B

There you go, that's a portrait.

U

Okay, okay, well, real quick! It's on the right-hand side, you'll, see.

U

The current map of yellow is what we currently own. uh The pink is what was.

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Purchased and the blue striped is what was retained by the existing property owner.

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Parties that we purchased from so those are areas that will hatch. Actually we have to go.

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Through and subdivide out, based on the way the sale was uh was drafted so there's there's the.

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Visual as you as we're talking and and as we're talking, you know so as you're talking space.

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You know we have a little bit in one side a little bit. You know on a little bit on the west side, we.

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Have some property on the east side property on the north side? uh We don't have. You know.

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It's not all like one continuous big chunk of 300 acres, okay, okay jeff had mentioned.

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Drawing on the right, the yellow shaded in the middle is our existing or what's our existing.

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Property, that's 220, acres, plus or minus the areas in pink or red. Those are the areas that we.

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Properties that we now own, that is an additional 326 acres, as jeff had mentioned in the blue.

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Slash areas to the left and right are areas the cellar retained and we do have to go through.

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A process of consolidating subdividing those properties, so they become two separate parcels.

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For that owner, after the after, the survey is done.

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Now, where we go from here, what are the next steps in the process? Basically, with regard.

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To the property acquisition, a boundary survey is going to be required in order to really discover.

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Several things, one where all the property lines are actually property corners, other.

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Features that are out there right away different access points easements. We also have a couple of.

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Farm areas that are being leased that are now split between us and the prior landowner, so a.

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Boundary property survey needs to be conducted of essentially the entire property uh to confirm.

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Where all of those changes are that all these property lines are, but then, but that property.

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Survey will do will also be provide data that will support all of our future uh master plan efforts.

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Across the entire property, so everything that goes forward in the future will be built upon.

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uh That boundary survey, uh our anticipation, we'll be discussing that boundary survey after this.

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Presentation is done and we do have a proposal for it. We expect that to be started in december of 21.

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And to be completed sometime at or around second quarter of 2022.

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Okay, with regard to the master plan, study and development, again, concurrent with the.

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Boundary study the master plan study project will commence the scope in the.

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Rfp is currently under development between us and the northeast maryland waste disposal authority.

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The costs of developing that rfp are included in our annual membership fee with the authority.

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So it's just another one of those benefits. We have of authority membership, the main goals.

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Are to determine what infrastructure can be placed where and perform design permitting.

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For future county solid waste operations on the property, the project activities that will occur.

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Throughout that task will be a combination of environmental site assessments or esa's.

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Natural resources, identification so all streams and wetlands and other features that will be.

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Formally identified and logged log, historical and archaeological investigations, those are required.

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For any work, that mde is going to look at subsurface investigations, geology, hydrogeology.

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Where's the groundwater, at what can the land support as far as structure is concerned,.

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And options for utilities in the future and again that's just a small sampling of everything.

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That will be evaluated as the studies. Progress we'll also learn where certain infrastructure.

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Can be placed, and also, as importantly, where it can't be placed, including future landfill cells.

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Areas for waste diversion operations, as we've talked about before, and the.

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Possibility for having things such as organics waste, mulch and compost operations, c d, recycling.

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And a host of other things, we need to know where they can go where they can't go.

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Public drop off areas again, we know that our public drop off areas into the current facility.

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Are not up to standard this will give us an idea opportunity to cite those properly as well as.

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Any future transfer station location, if that's something that we do want to do in the future,.

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We need to properly identify a location for that and then retain that location. So it's not.

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Impacted or impacting future construction like the current facility location, would be doing. We.

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Want to stress again that this is a long-term planning effort, but it will ultimately help the.

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County address our needs well into the future, and this is just my personal belief is, I think,.

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We're maybe looking at a generational, you know type of solution here, not just something for.

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The next you know 10 or 20 years. I think we, I think it's important. We don't lose sight of that.

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Okay, an estimated time yet definitely an estimated timeline. We've identified a handful of tasks here.

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That will start occurring here in the very near future and we're just putting at this point in.

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Time an estimate on what those time frames would be as far as calibrators are concerned,.

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And right now, fairly comfortable, looking out four or five years as to where what has to be.

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Done and where we'll be again, the boundary survey uh 2021-2022 uh the parcel consolidation effort.

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That's what I'll call those parcels east and west uh during a calendar 22. uh an mdot study.

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And design and permitting, we know that entrance and egress from the facility is not what it could.

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Be so one of the things we'll be looking at is how can we better get into and out of the property.

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More efficiently and then really the guts of the master plan development. Again, the rfp process.

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Beginning here in 21 likely on the street early 22, then field work and study and that.

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Includes everything that we talked about with the environmental site assessments.

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Up to and including solid waste design, that's designed with landfill expansion.

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Transfer station locations and everything else that could potentially be out there.

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We're looking at that more at least a three year process, 22-24 concurrently with the.

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Design there are several permitting hurdles that are going to have to be crossed with mde.

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Epa, depending on what we're looking at that's air quality, it could be certain water features.

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If we're dealing with wetlands and the like, that's also at the federal level and then local.

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Permitting as well through stormwater management and everything that we have to do internally,.

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Essentially, looking at 2022-2026 again, a lot of that can be concurrent with the work. That's.

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Going on before it as the results come in as those applications and designs are put together,.

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They are then submitted to the regulatory agencies and go through the approval process, while we're.

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Working the other steps again as those as those steps are approved, then property reconfiguration.

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20 24, ish and who knows to win depends on what everything is identified and what can be put in.

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Place we are currently working on a master gantt chart big schedule chart. It's really.

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Nothing we wanted to put forward today because right now, it's the beginning of the spaghetti.

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Bowl but as that is developed, we will get it out and going forward. I haven't talked to jeff about.

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This, but I'm going to say it anyway, uh is coming forward really to the board. I just tell them.

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That doesn't matter I wouldn't I'd like to come forward to the board, maybe on a quarterly basis.

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And give updates yeah as to where we are by going through the process, at least that often.

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uh And that way everybody is involved and knowledgeable of where we're at I'm sure.

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So that's where we stand today. What I'd like to do real, briefly, is throw a thank you out to.

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The folks in engineering, especially who've, been helping with the mapping and a lot of.

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Other things that we're doing the rfp for serving that will be coming forward in a little bit. It's.

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Emily and chris lenox and cara monroe, sunny they've been doing great job very quickly in.

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Helping get us going on on this path, one of the things just wanted to mention, too, is you know.

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Cliff all of us, um you know in public works, understand the urgency to try to keep get to keep.

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This ball rolling. uh We have some great momentum. uh We we always continue to thank the board for.

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uh Helping with this decision and getting us to the point where we can make, you know we.

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Can get the study going and some of this work that you see there from mdot mde.

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uh Epa, some of that's gonna work, that's our staff working with mdot and mde and starting.

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The conversations so, as we start continue working their design and study immediately we're ready. We.

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Have we have the documents ready? All we have to do is put the signature date on it and submit it in.

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That's our goal as we move forward with this. um Is you know so this way? There's you know if.

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Everybody's on board from day one they can help guide us too, because there might, you know, with.

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Legislation changing all the time in annapolis, who knows what this season, as we all work with and.

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You know commissioners uh you're down there in annapolis on a regular basis. There's a lot of.

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Legislation out there and as some of these get voted on, they could really heavily impact every.

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Piece of this design, uh so this is going, you know in the middle of our design. You know in the middle.

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Of our study, we may have to change some some directions, so we're very cognizant of that, but.

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We also want to be sure we're not putting something in the way of ourselves if there's.

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Can be a future, you know building or structure and not be where we are today, where we have. You know.

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A gun range it's on top of a cell that we can never fill. We have a. We have the transfer station.

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On top of a cell, because we never didn't have any room in the first place, and it was not something.

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That was anticipated previously, so we just don't want to repeat we'll repeat that for future, you.

C

Know I I hope the people carroll county realize what an enviable enviable position you're in.

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In the county, you have a future here with landfill. What to do with it a lot of counties throughout.

C

The state are struggling right at this time and yet uh you know, through your efforts, cliff jeff.

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You guys have uh convinced the board here to buy this property, and it really puts us in a.

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Totally different position in a lot of places throughout the state of maryland, so.

C

This could be monumental in the future to carroll county. uh You know: solid waste is not a romantic.

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Topic but it's one that we have to deal with and uh you know, but I think we have to remind people.

C

That this is uh puts carol can't have a fantastic position. I talked to my counterparts as well in.

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Other counties, a few of them- are very jealous right now, yeah yeah. So again. Thank you all very.

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Much for seeing the need to move in this direction, it's greatly appreciated. We are being contacted of.

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Course by organizations who would like to help us out or do things on these properties, uh including.

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Other counties as well um and we're stressing that this is a longer term. This is a long-term thing.

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But there will be a time and a place once we know more to be able to entertain what those options.

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Can be, which is also, why we're keeping those in mind as we go forward with the master plan.

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Like jeff said, regulations change tomorrow, things can change dramatically. We want to be prepared.

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We want to be thinking about it ahead of time, not reacting all the time as many locations do.

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In order to try to stay ahead of the curve, at least a little bit.

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I wish to add to the accolades my colleagues have shared not only to you and the staff.

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Members in engineering that that you've, given thanks to and expressing the complexity and the.

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Long-Term vision we have and how difficult it is, especially as director castaway mentioned, with.

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The not only the state legislative body but the federal, but I also want to share my appreciation.

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To the true unsung hero of this whole process, and that is the landfill manager, dwight amos.

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That man has worked for this county, for I guess thirty, four thirty five years, how many forty two.

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Forty forty two years, he has more knowledge on that landfill than all of us, combined.

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And it was thanks to his vision and his concern, expressing not only me, but my colleagues.

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The imperative need to do what we're doing now and I'm extending my heartfelt sincerity.

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That not only mr dwight amos, but all the other individuals out there at landfill that handle.

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This dirty workforce, they are a vital part of maintaining a civilized society. If we didn't have.

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Proper disposal over waste, we would be in a heap of trouble, so thanks to dwight and all those other.

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Individuals, and especially the ladies out there in the trailer thank you for all you're doing.

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I'm sure they'll hear but we'll pass it along as well. Thank you. Okay. Any other conversation.

B

Good update on this now, let's talk about a potential action. You want to take okay.

G

Okay, as we know, we just reviewed uh property and what this first steps require required in.

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The development of a master plan, one of the first things that we need to do is again the boundary.

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Survey so to facilitate that through engineering we did solicit and receive cost for conducting.

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That boundary survey from clsi that boundary survey cost would be in the amount of 88 600.

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Essentially we're looking at two phases of this project. The first would be along the properties.

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That are along 140, so that would encompass the properties that need to be consolidated.

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As well as properties that possibly could have future landfill expansion on them,.

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They're also the most open unwooded cleared areas that are easier to get to.

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So that's the first phase second phase, then, would move to the north end of the property.

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Which extends back through the railroad and the north side of the railroad funds? For that master.

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Plan development uh and all this related work are included in capital project 6540. So at this time.

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We would ask the board to approve that project for the cls clsi clsi, as it says, is the on-call.

B

Consultant, um do we have other engineering firms that are on call? They are an on-call surveyor, a.

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Surveying company, through engineering services, we don't have any through solid waste on calls. No, I.

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Mean but we went through a big process, there was a big process previously in public works and cls. I.

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Won that contract, since we don't have a license surveyor. uh So with that uh cls I was the was the.

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Winning contractor for uh for these services, so it's an outsourced. You know consultant um when was.

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That contract put in place um probably less than two years ago about two years ago, when we lost our.

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Surveyor, okay, we talked about that. We were talking, he retired, he wasn't lost, we don't want to find it.

B

The point is that, in order to get things done, we have in-house, we have our own team, but also.

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uh Resourcing and being efficient, we outsource, you know some efforts and clsi being one of them. So.

B

Okay, that's right got it. The board county commissioners award.

C

The acquired property boundary survey, contract csli in the amount of 88 600.

C

Exactly thank you. Yes, sir okay, I got a motion. I've got a second any discussion on this.

B

Yeah sure it's in here, none all in paper, all right, okay, great! Thank you. Commissioners. Thank.

U

You very much thank you for all the work you put into this okay: let's talk about an on sale award.

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One minute, if I couldn't steal two more minutes of your time- and I knew my two minutes usually turned.

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Into 20, but I'll keep it at two. I just wanted to give a quick update on the recycling markets.

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And where we stand, it's been a while, since I've reached out to the board and let everybody know.

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But essentially for november we're seeing that the recycling commodity markets.

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Have kind of leveled off and leveled off in a good area compared to where we were.

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18 months ago, back when that recycling contract was signed, the processing costs and again I'm.

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Just dealing with the processing here, not the transportation, uh was costing the county 82.

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Dollars a ton, so it was around a million dollars a year based on what our our recycling tonnage was.

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The november cost to the county is 18.21 a ton wow so because the international markets have improved.

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uh We have cost savings of 77 compared to what it was at the beginning of the.

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Contract now again, that's today, you know: past performance doesn't guarantee future results.

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Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear, but going forward and we're hoping that they have.

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Stabilized now for quite a while, so when we come back in with our budget discussions, uh it should.

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Be a different number than what we were looking at 18 months ago. Thank you. Okay, appreciate your.

G

Time, thank you very much. Thank you! So uh we're standing by for them. So why don't we move into.

F

You didn't slow down enough any second.

A

So I don't know if you want to start that conversation if you just pause for a minute.

B

Just pause for a second hello.

G

Or you could adopt the minutes yeah, you could do. Oh look at you being clever.

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He just wants to get out of here. Okay, we have uh closed minutes to.

B

uh Take a look at and without from november 9th.

D

Dealing with land acquisition motion to approve the minutes on 11 nine.

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For from the closed session, second, okay, I got a motion. I got a second.

B

Any discussion all in favor all right all right: okay, 4-0 with one absence.

B

Very good, you know.

B

Bear with us one second, when you're ready straight.

B

Commercial weaver will be joining us. I imagine in just a second, but regardless of that, why don't we.

B

Start and mr bert was yours, very good. Thank you, commissioner, good morning coming before the board.

W

This morning, with the results and actions necessary to complete the county's annual.

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Bond sale this morning at 10 a.m. We opened bond bids and we'll go through them shortly.

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First very pleased to share before the board and the public.

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That over the last week or two following our presentation to the bond rating agencies, virtually.

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We did receive those results and we were affirmed that aaa by all three rating agencies by moody's, s.

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P and fitch so as we have been for about the last four or five years, a triple triple a for.

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The county is continues to be a feather in the cap for the board and uh very pleased.

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And think that that had a positive impact on today's results and we'll share that a bit more.

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I'm joined this morning by representatives from our bond council firm, emily fusting is with us.

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Today, from mckenna, shelton and hen, and also from the financial advisory firm of davenport,.

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And company we have joe mason with us, as he has been before the board for many past sales as well.

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So we did, as I said, advertised held the sale 10 am this morning we received six bids.

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And had a very uh favorable result at 1.56 interest cost slightly up from last year. The.

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Markets have moved up just a little just a bit of an uptick, but still really fantastic.

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Rates for the county, uh 22 million dollars of bonds are scheduled to be issued. These are.

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Paying for projects currently underway, much of it is in the form of reimbursement for.

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Projects already spending over the past year so we'll be spending down the money quickly.

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A little up from last year was like 1.34, so just to give you a sense, tweaked up a little bit the.

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Market moving in that direction did cause us to eliminate the refunding potential that we.

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Discussed about a month ago, when we authorized the sale, the the rates moved up just enough to.

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Make that savings not possible this time we will continue to monitor them. Davenport keeps an eye on.

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Those for us- and we run those numbers annually to see when there's opportunity to do so. The.

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Winner was apparent: winners, jp morgan securities, so you know a large, well-known firm there for us.

W

And with that, I'd like to ask mr mason to brief the board on the results, the context of.

W

Of those rates and any other comments, joe great, thank you, mr burke, the morning, commissioners.

X

Administrator you, you knocked the cover off the ball. Can I tell you, you often do.

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You are in rare territory with triple triple a ratings that serves you well, just, as importantly,.

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The level of death, the county issues is relatively modest, which helps you, because you don't have a.

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Surplus of your bonds trading in the market. So when you come to market a name that everybody.

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Wants to own- and there just aren't very many of those opportunities, because you are very.

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Conservative and diligent about how much debt you do authorize, so rare is hence teeth, as they say.

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Which translates into good results again six bids? uh The cover bid was from fidelity capital markets.

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Meaning the the second place bidder, it was only a half a basis point lower in the true interest cost.

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Of the jp morgan securities bid, which, which means you really capturing the best of today's market, so.

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uh Congratulations all the way around. It's a team effort.

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um Everyone that contributed in past and present to the rating presentations sitting up on the desk.

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You've all done a great job representing the county and the results speak for themselves. So.

X

Thank you and again, congratulations personally, I think it was a commissioner lance's birthday.

B

Present during the day that we were able to achieve the results anything I can do to help you.

B

Either commissioner weaver's just stellar performance, I don't know how's the deciding factor.

B

Congratulations uh rob and the entire team both very very pleased and everything we're doing.

B

Outside my experiences, measure measure twice cut once and that's what we've been doing, not.

B

You know in a conservative approach and yeah. This is this is great news. You know so very good. If I.

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See that jp morgan won the bid- and I see the second better- was fidelity capital markets.

I

For uh clarification would that in any way be connected to the fidelity investments firm.

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Or is that a separate? Is that a subsidiary of them? I believe so, yes and the reason they're based out.

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Of boston, so that would need. To conclude all I ask is that in the future, if fidelity capital.

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Markets ever wins a bid that you notify me ahead of time, because I would be indirectly.

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Invested in that fund and would have to abstain from investing it, so thank you. I just want to.

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Give that clarification, so I don't see that come up and not know so. Thank you.

B

Okay, any discussion on this uh gentleman you've lived this longer than I have.

B

Is four years from the get-go getting triple a rating.

C

You know I've said this before joe to you and your team. uh We we wouldn't be successful without.

E

Your assistance throughout the the adventure- and uh you know you and and remembering sam.

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Of course, who was instrumental and, and um you and both you and sam, you know.

E

Pulled me aside a couple times and said you might not want to say it that way. This way.

E

uh But it was an incredible learning experience for me and knowing that we have the knowledge.

E

Of your firm uh was was was very, uh was very good as we we moved through that. So.

E

Kudos to you guys too, uh as you say, it's a team, uh but you know I I've lived it quite a few years in.

E

My seven that I've been here and uh it's always been impressive, so thank you, sir, and your firm.

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uh For all that, you've done for us as well. Well, it's very, very, very kind to you, commissioner. Lance.

X

Thank you so much. I will be sure to pass along your thoughts to sam as well. Yes, please do yeah. I.

D

Would like to echo those those thoughts um when we went up to new york the few times we went up there.

D

I appreciate all the help and guidance we got from you and really you guys know what you're doing you.

D

Know where to tell us more or less tell us what to do when they're doing that kind of stuff and.

D

It works out very well. I really do appreciate that. Thank you. Just thank you guys for making.

C

Us look good. You can really do an intentional job. All of you that's a difficult test that is called.

I

But you guys really do a fantastic job. Thank you and with that I'd like to move the board.

C

Of commissioners, adoptive on sale award resolution as presented by bomb council second, okay, I got in.

B

Motion I got a second. There was a lot of fantastic discussion anymore soon. Here, none all in favor.

E

All right, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Thank you.

E

Absolutely you know, there's a lot of memories, joe. I thought we were in big trouble when doug.

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Howard, spilled coffee on that on that 750 thousand dollar board table, but we we made out all right.

W

E

See I've got v-day you're gonna do something. That's for sure.

B

Okay, um chris, is there any callers for open, ended.

B

B

You know folks, don't quite understand the impact of that, but that is just awesome. There.

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Are over 3 200 counties in the united states and only about 50. in the entire united states.

B

And about eight or nine are right here in maryland, along with maryland being triple triple a so okay.

B

Yeah the year we got it was uh I mean it was it was. We were ecstatic, I mean we just went beyond.

F

Yeah, you know yeah, because you know a lot of folks, don't know what goes on behind the scenes as well.

E

To put those presentations together, as the more of you get involved in that you see that, but it's.

E

Now I've had the pleasure of being there about four, maybe yeah. I guess four out of my seven.

E

And- uh and it was always amazing, but that year that particular year you know we were pretty.

E

Giddy, I gotta tell you all of us were pretty giddy, because I I mean going up the scenes up.

B

As an economic developer- and we were already triple triple a so- we weren't getting that and.

B

That impact is unbelievable, yeah and uh yeah. So it's it's a very complex machine to get there.

G

And a lot of hard hard work, so yeah, fantastic, the entire county, um okay, north carol, high school.

B

um Discussion preface it, commissioner weaver and I participated with our staff to include.

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Chris hein and jeff cassoway and roberta the mayor of hampstead, along with the team that is looking.

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To purchase north carol high school crg, which is um owned by jim lighthizer and and he brought his.

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Engineer and his uh this second who focuses the attention on north carolina, high school.

B

um It's gone through some bumps and bruises along the way, uh to say the least as far as getting to.

B

Where we are today, um you know the word: albatross is thrown out there, but to me I continue to say it.

B

In albatrosses about what this beautiful complex can provide to carroll county.

B

And the vision that um crg jim lighthizer has because he's doing the same thing in severna park.

B

um Is very positive: the challenge is, is getting from where we are today to where we want to go.

B

And that is to close with crg by early december, in order to do that, they are requesting vaping crg.

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That we um change the cost from one million dollars to 500 000.

B

And they would then have the ability to close by early december. So it's not extending because.

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We don't want to extend this because it just continues to be extended and they are working with.

B

Our folks in land resource management, along with nde, dnr and army corps of engineers,.

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It is a very much a coordinated effort um and army corps of engineers. The concern is.

B

From crg is that uh it could take a few months to six months, according to our guys.

B

They are confident that it could be done in 30 days to three months. So um uh what what I found.

B

Is there's very little distance between chris hein and his team and I'd say he's.

B

Phenomenal, I don't know if he's listening or not, but his him and the engineer from crg the.

B

The distance in understanding the problem set and coming up with a solution. um The problem is.

B

Identified the solution is needing more money for them to finish and get across a goal line for them.

B

To close early december uh roberta or commercial weaver that miss, I just want to throw it on out.

B

There, because I tried to capture it, you've covered the you know just like this. I think.

C

The whole issue is this is a huge project. The only thing is after the sale, we do have the chance to.

C

Recoup tax dollars on this down the line, so it's not totally a loss at this point, but.

J

Yeah this uh all these projects that we have inherited have been tremendous and steve. You know.

C

You see the problems associated with these and it's all cost increases right at the present.

C

Time cost overrides for everything, storm water management- I mean it just went up and.

C

What requirements were, and I mean I- I tell you- chris's team's- on board- with it they're on board.

C

With it, everybody knows, those cost increases. Are there. However, we have to move ahead on.

C

This and I'm really uh taking back- I guess with the cost of it and what it's doing with this, but.

C

It will provide if this happens over the next three years is going to be a phenomenal facility.

C

For the people of carroll county, a couple other just comments won't make one is. I am confident.

B

That crg does not want to walk away from this, and they want to close early december. They.

B

Are looking at the cost that they've already put into this and what it'll take the other piece is.

B

The market analysis that they're continuing to do they're, confident that the fields will get the.

B

You know the folks coming in on the weekends uh they're, um not I won't say concerned, but are.

B

Working with the communities at large to get uh the leagues to come in during the week to offset.

B

Some of that revenue and they're not getting that nearly as much as what they thought they were.

B

Going to get um but uh they're they're not slowing down they're working with it um they're working.

B

With the town, as far as what the building will provide- and you know all of that kind of stuff.

B

So it's it's a plan forward. I mean. Obviously you hear my enthusiasm. I want to take care of.

B

A community that has been waiting for this and we've been talking about turf fields and that's.

B

What this will also provide um the challenge is: it becomes a second chest wound when we keep.

B

Throwing more money at this and keep pushing it to the right. My my thoughts are: stop pushing to.

B

This right get to the final cost and get them to move forward so, and that would be a 500 000.

B

um Commitment on our part to do just that, so I will stop.

B

E

In reference to me identifying the challenges that we have here.

E

uh You know one of the things in the last seven years has been the challenge of these.

E

uh The closures of the schools, which uh three of us lived through uh ad nauseam.

E

And I don't know that we really understood at the time what the ramifications were: gonna.

E

Be as a result of that uh you know, I've never been through that before I'll, be quite honest,.

E

And it's it's been, it's been an uphill uh challenge ever since it occurred.

E

And you know difficult decisions have had to have been made along the way. Financial and emotional.

E

Right um yeah that exactly and that's a that's, a very, very valid point, because we've lived.

E

The the emotions from the communities that were affected by uh by these and and we have to make.

E

Those decisions based uh on that as well, not forgetting that and uh I don't know that we ever.

E

Will forget that it's gonna be uh a long time, but uh I appreciate the efforts that most of you gave.

E

To me uh when we identified the challenges of the charles carroll site- and I thank you for that, so.

E

Just with that same thought, pattern there's no doubt that there are challenges. There's no doubt.

E

That the pandemic has created issues that none of us would have thought would have been created.

E

And I fear that if we don't make these decisions now, those challenges will grow.

E

Mde is constantly changing uh their parameters uh at.

E

At a level that I don't know that we've seen before construction materials are up uh anything.

E

Is uh it's interesting to me, though, that consumer spending is also up? You know figure that one out.

E

But anyway, uh while I am challenged by the fact that we're gonna lose 500 000 on this, I'm also.

E

Mindful of the fact dick that you point out that I truly do believe in the end, because.

E

Of the facility that they are proposing over there that we will reap the benefits.

E

And see that now you might not be able to take a piece of paper and say: oh yeah yep. We got it back.

E

But I do believe it will pay dividends in the future, so I'm prepared to to uh to agree with it.

E

And- and a lot of it has to do with me again on timing, the more we push back uh and wait, the more.

E

It's gonna cost us and I I fear that we get to a point where it it it's. We get to the point.

E

Where we say you know, if we only had done it, then- and I don't want to be in that spot so.

E

While I'm challenged by the fact that we're we're getting less for that, uh I'm I'm I'm going to go.

E

With with this, if it passes on the positive side uh with with uh with this dick I've got.

E

Over the moon, respect for you- and I know how tough this has been on you- I've lived it in silver, one.

E

And you lived it even more because you were there and you worked there.

E

And you lived there, so I get it and I want to put that part of it into it too. It's not about me.

C

This is about the community, so so that's my that's my 10-minute community sermon on that. I.

E

Told you this morning, I wanted to give another sermon, apparently.

D

I I'll be honest with you, I don't like the deal. I don't like it. However, we need to move forward.

D

I think this is weighting us down the how much we're putting out per month to keep this facility.

D

Viable, I guess your best way to call it, and you know you got to cut the grass. You got.

D

To heat it, you gotta do awesome and we gotta do that or it just falls apart. We're putting.

D

What fifty to seventy thousand dollars a month or something like that into there.

D

I really don't like the deal, but I don't wanna hold on this and cost us another. Seven hundred.

D

Thousand dollars over the next course of a year, or something like that, I think that's ridiculous. I.

D

We're we're in a bad position. I believe right now. I think I'm not gonna go into the factors to put.

D

Us in this position, because it's it's passed it's over and I do think we need to move ahead with it.

D

I just I can't wait until this closes, so we can stop discussing this and it can get.

D

Moved on so if it takes to the the beginning of december- and it takes this concession- I don't.

D

Like it, but I think it has to be done and moving forward. One thing they did mention is taking.

B

Some supplies from silver in a park because you're talking about construction, taking some.

B

Supplies and bring them over to uh north carolina like the indoor soccer stuff, so they're already.

B

Thinking how to get this thing open, commissioner I'll just sit back and you know, show my opinion on.

I

The vote: okay, okay, I'll make a motion that we move forward with uh the north carolina high school as.

B

Discussed by lessening the q, what is it um a motion to amend the contract, purchase, price.

Y

From a million dollars to 500 a motion to amend the contract from a million dollars to.

B

Five hundred thousand dollars- sorry, I should have allowed you to hit that motion. I apologize.

B

I got a motion. I got second any other discussion, all in favor all right again: okay,.

B

4-1, did you have an opinion you want to make no sense: okay, 4-1! Thank you. Okay, um that was tough.

I

Food, I have to say that it was tough folk. Thank you. I know my to express my sincere appreciation.

I

To commissioner frazier for chiming in on that, that was very courageous of you. Thank you.

B

Chris, do you are there any callers.

B

Okay, do you have any opinions? No I'm kidding.

B

We are now in open admin. Does anybody have anything for open admin.

B

I do have something I would like to bring up about north carolina. I'm just kidding.

D

I do have something to bring up, though.

G

I would like to uh propose something that I need the board to direct staff to do this.

D

I don't want to do it on my own here, but I would like to direct staff to look at.

D

It's kind of hard to focus out here, but property tax credits for people that are over 70 that are.

D

Homeowners in carroll, county and the property tax credit would would be put in place so that.

D

Once you reach the age 70 you own property in carroll, county, that property tax and the fact.

D

Would actually never go up on the other, so you don't have to worry about any increases that.

D

The board or somebody and we can't property tax cap. Well, I was told we can't do that. I was told.

D

We can't say 70 or 70 and above can't cap it at this, because other people pay a different rate.

D

But why I was told that we could look at property tax credits to have the same effect so that when.

D

You're 70 your property taxes you're, not I'm not saying you're not going to pay them, but.

D

If they're not going to go above that rate, because you get some property tax credit to bring it back.

D

Down to the rate, it was when you were 70., so we're not cutting anything out here. I thought.

D

Ted was coming in he's running down the steps right now, but you can't question his chest. Well,.

D

If you look at this, unless property tax taxes are increased, which they may or may not be it.

D

Won't cost the county anything to do this, but it will cap what people who generally, who are 70 and.

D

Older are in fixed incomes, let's fix this price for them, it's going to be the same year after year,.

D

Because of property, and it has to be worked out and how it's going to be worked out, it has to be.

D

Worked out so we have to direct staff to look at this and work it out so that you're, 70 or older.

D

You have this on your primary residence only if you're, of course not living at that residence.

D

You go into retirement community or assisted living or whatever it happens to be, is gone.

D

Of course, if you sell the house, that's gone, but I think it's something that the.

D

The people who lived in carroll county for a long time that own property here it's kind of.

D

A break to get them once these are, and I pick age 70, because that's kind of like full social.

D

Security age that we have right now, so all I'm asking for is from direction from boarding.

D

Commissioners have staff look at this to see how it could be done, and you know they can't actually.

D

See how much would cost, because there's nothing. We don't have a thing out there, how many 70 year.

D

Olds, we have their own property. I don't think we could actually find that out. I don't think so.

D

Say it again, we have a sense of study. Well, maybe you could look at that. I don't know.

D

But I think we wouldn't know how many owning properties yeah. I just think it's.

Y

Something that that we can offer the citizens of carroll county has been here for a long time.

D

I think 70 is arbitrary. I understand it wasn't how you came up with that, but um it has dark words.

D

I just feel like we go ahead, but but not we could look at 70, but I would if we move forward.

B

With this, I would um ask that we look at other ages as well and the impacts on the other ages.

B

um How does this you know the assessments of homes are brought in by stat, so it's not.

B

You know our tax rates, I mean the tax rates aren't the same, you know so we're not raising taxes.

B

I mean and we aren't raising taxes now we're raising your.

D

That's why staff would have to look at this to see how it could be done. Yeah.

E

So it would be based on the county tax rate right, not stats, assessment.

E

Yes, because we have, we have control over that part. We do not have control of the assessment.

C

So if the assessment goes up, you're saying that the rate stays there well, the rates couldn't stay.

C

I think what he's saying is you get a little credit for the differences? Oh the credit, the tax.

C

Credit comes back, okay and I think that's I was told that's the only way we could do this with the.

D

Tax credit, that's interesting. Now we could look at it both ways with the rate and the property tax.

D

We could look at it both ways I mean yeah. Just we need staff to have time to look at this and.

D

I would I bring that now because our elections be looked at before we get to the budget, because.

D

If we can do it, I'd like to try to do it, this bunch of sessions doing homework to do it. I.

B

Think is a great idea, um you know subsidizing a group of folks, you know and the impact it has.

B

You know we have to look at that as well, and I'm not trust me, I'm not against what you're saying.

B

I just I I do think um doing due diligence and it's fair that the homework should be done.

B

Right I just want to. I want it to be looked at thoroughly, how it could be done. Maybe no. We can't.

B

Do it's ridiculous, just look at that number. I can see it. Okay, don't say it: how about how about 65.

B

Well, but I do like yeah I mean, I think I think it's a good idea on a global on a global look at.

E

It you know we, there are tax credits available for different uh different folks in in our community.

E

We've never really enacted because while the state said he could the state always says yep.

E

That's a great idea, but you guys do it right exactly of course yeah. So uh you know we deal.

E

With that a lot, because there's there's a county or two or three that that do the first responder.

E

uh You know the retired uh military, uh you know so that there's there's some that.

E

That take it to that step, but I don't know that I've ever heard this group of of citizens.

E

And I it kind of you're looking at what fifty thousand people are playing yourself.

C

With homes, no with homes, they're properly yeah.

D

Was the primary property, so the owner, multiple houses? Okay, one you live in is what we're talking.

D

About, I think, it's a very noble thing to bring up and I think it shows your character and compassion.

I

For our senior population from a practical fiscal standpoint, I think it's improbable for us to even.

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Pull it off, considering that within just nine years, a third of our population in this county.

I

Will be over 60 years old with that is going to come, the expanded services for our senior centers.

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Our senior uh all the programs and benefits we have as we provide for them. That has to be.

I

Financed on top of that is something I've learned from commissioner lance's group.

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In the fire departments is the tremendous stress that our senior population actually.

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Is putting on our emergency services and as our senior population continues to increase.

I

That burden upon our emergency services will exponentially jump and we're already faced with.

I

Trying to figure out the conundrum how to finance to take over ems. So, though, I think it's very noble.

I

I think, in a practical sense, in fiscal terms, there's no way we could pull it off.

E

I

The the property tax side there's also the income side, and we mentioned how.

I

When people retired on fixed incomes, which means the income side of the equation, which.

I

Director zolaski and his staff is very much aware of will also be reduced.

I

When someone leaves their career and they're making a hundred hundred twenty thousand.

I

Dollars a year and they built this massive home and I've seen it our friends that do it.

I

And then they're paying ten thousand dollars a year in property. Taxes live in this massive.

I

Home and their children are no longer with them and then they retire and they're on a fixed income.

I

Then their expenses for maintaining that property and the tax is exceeding their income level, so.

I

We're getting impacted in the sense that those individuals within our population are no longer.

I

Drawing the income levels they once had and then we'd all turn around and reduce the property tax.

I

On that, okay, we're not going to reduce the price or hold it, but in the long term it degenerates on.

I

Us like, if we hold a yield it, could it could, but our expenses will go up. So it's a it's a real big.

I

Conundrum to try to crack and though I think it's noble, I think, in practical fiscal terms, there's.

I

No way we could pull it off. Every question has to do with: how much do we want to accept subsidizing.

B

The population and what is the impact of that subsidy and the only way we're going to know.

B

That um is by doing the homework. That's a great summation! Thank you. That's a wonderful discussion.

I

I'm glad you brought it up because I think we've all seen the emails from our constituents have.

I

This concern, because, like I mentioned that population is, is growing and we're seeing.

I

Those people planning for their retirement- and this is a big thing- they're concerned about.

F

Okay sounds like always interesting yeah. I think it sounds like there's something.

E

Some additional look into it, though: okay anything else for open admin. Yeah I've got. I don't have.

B

I've got a list of things I had to get them before you, because yeah.

E

So uh I sent this uh email out to whoever I don't remember who but uh johnny olaczewski senior.

G

Contacted me a couple weeks ago, and he uh he works, he's a he works for somebody anyway, doesn't matter.

E

uh There is a uh there's, a large solar rooftop display, that's been created in hampstead.

E

Apparently, on a building that the penguin random house is leasing, I think it's the old cup profit.

E

So uh it's being billed as the largest rooftop community solar project in the country.

E

um I didn't say state or county, I said.

E

Country, it's millions. Sometimes people don't hear me right in the country.

E

So uh it's summit ridge, energies, uh project they're having a ribbon.

E

Cutting on tuesday november, the 30th at 11 a.m, at the location, 6, 30, hanover pike.

E

I believe it's necessary for uh carroll county to be represented by not only electeds, but those.

E

uh Perhaps staff members that want to be there as well.

E

uh They've got a they've got a uh agenda already put together, but I think just to have the folks.

E

In standing there to be recognized would be very important. Mary beth tong from the director of.

E

Emergency energy administration: I got emergency energy administration of the governor's office.

E

Will be there and uh I think it's it, we should be there so uh putting it on radar, uh tuesday,.

E

November, the 30th at 11 a.m: uh 6 30, hanover pike, we'll just have it added to our calendars.

D

Yeah, we don't have to write it down right now, yeah. I certainly want to be there yeah, because it hurts.

E

Yeah, so let me know uh who's going. I I told j.o that I'd reach back out to him.

E

And and let him know who's going to be there, so that the proper individuals can.

E

Be introduced, and certainly if somebody walks up that day, they're going to.

E

Be able to do that as well right. So that's that's quite impressive and another feather.

E

In uh the carroll county, but as interesting as we were aware, yeah, it's private business and again.

E

So I'll give you this paperwork dick. If you want to reach out to chris.

E

Yeah yeah, okay, all right. Okay, that's number one.

E

uh Number two: I had an interesting uh phone call as a result of one of the fires.

E

As always, chris hein and his shop took, it ran with it, and I think it's it's been taken care of.

E

It appears as if it is, but just something to put on your radars. If you will, you know we recently.

E

Talked about this pfas issue, where you know this is a huge deal, even though apparently folks have.

E

Been putting it on their lips and on their face for years, but now that it's in the water, it's like.

E

A big deal, uh but there was a fire in tyrone uh the other day in the thriving metropolis of tyrone.

E

There was a concerned neighbor uh that called about runoff from that fire. So it's interesting.

E

It was identified that we don't believe that there was any hazardous materials.

E

Even though it was a maintenance type of business that that resulted in in the suppression.

E

So they think whatever would have been would have been contained. So it's just again. Chris had.

E

uh His folks go out, look at it, we think it's been, it's been mitigated so, uh but.

E

Just something to keep on your freedom, because in my 46 years I don't know that I've ever had that.

E

uh With the exception of huge hazmat related incidents that occur, this was your typical.

E

uh Combustible storage area uh fire so uh so anyway, um just wanted to bring that up.

E

I one of the meetings that I missed that I had this week out of the 15. I think I'm up to uh was.

E

A meeting with the sheriff's department uh in reference to an ethiopian church.

E

That's um up on bachmann valley, road, not sure why my district and I.

E

Sheriff dewees was excellent. uh We didn't know who was coming to this meeting, but at the appropriate.

E

Time that the meeting was to start seven of the representatives from the ethiopian church.

E

Including the high priest walked into the room, it was incredibly interesting to hear their story.

E

That sheriff dewees at one point pushed his chair back and said why carroll county uh and they had.

E

uh Some interesting explanations: I'm not going to get into all that.

E

But uh my point is this: is the second uh type of facility like this that I have in my district.

E

I have I have one just above the union mills uh homestead church that was created there.

E

We are taking the appropriate action. The reason it came up is because they have two high holy.

E

Days, one in june and one in october, where they uh attract around two to three thousand people.

E

And two to three thousand people on bachmann's valley road can be very interesting, especially.

E

Considering the fact that many of these folks are coming from all over the country, don't they push.

E

Them in there was some of that. Yes, so also, this is 600 cars yeah. So uh it was an excellent meeting.

E

We we met the people there uh that run the church. uh They are in the permitting.

E

Process uh chris hein was there with me at that meeting, so they're they're going to be looking.

E

At building more and more up there, but just making you aware that that a facility of that.

E

Nature that brings in a lot of people into rural district. One is incredibly interesting.

E

They're not going to be shooting cannons, so I didn't get that sense. Now our biggest issue. I.

C

Think steve, and I both get calls on is the noise ordinance and the right. It's like a.

I

Music vessel too, you know once you worship, they have the bands and stuff it goes on.

E

Way, yeah, it was early in the morning yeah. It was like an issue 12 or 14 ceremony yeah, and you put.

I

I got you so there's the potential of the disturbance of the piece so to speak. The sound as.

I

Well, as the traffic yeah, the traffic was just yeah, so anyway, uh I've already been advised that there.

E

Are going to be several folks from that community at my community meeting, so I'm going to have.

E

Appropriate staff there to address that because it's a it's an interesting topic of discussion.

E

And mainly, uh you know, we all need to to get along and that's what what it is and we were.

E

Very impressed in the way in which they presented what they are trying to do so, we'll see where.

E

We go there so again that reminder november the 30th at 7 pm at pleasant valley, fire department.

E

Join me for my community meeting there and finally, the last one I have is another shameless plug.

E

On november the 29th, the westminster municipal band will be doing their holiday concert.

E

Typically, it's at carroll arts center this year, it's at carroll, community college.

E

So anyone that would like to come out and get into the spirit right after you've had too much turkey.

E

Come out on the 29th, what time 7 p.m at carroll county college, and it is a free.

E

Concert in scotland you know outside weaver. Are you working uh marching in the americorps maine.

D

Parade, yes, okay, you just yeah, that's coming up too yeah! That's this december! There's something.

E

No that's the end of november. Is it yeah, oh okay, so there's that sounds like it's this weekend.

G

No, it's not yeah, it's not the past town tree like this is friday night next week,.

D

Yeah, it might be next week, yeah, that's right, no, it's not thursday, and then we.

E

Haven't said anything about it, but finally, that archery lighting is on december the 6th monday.

E

Which is the following monday and the outside, so we always like to have folks come by for that. Well,.

Y

Before we leave that topic, I wanted to ask the board last year because of the change at the.

Y

Last minute, technically did not invite the public um to the meeting to the. Even though.

Y

It's outdoors and everything just didn't be a whole abundance of caution idea. Is there any.

F

Yeah, okay, all right, I think that's it are you sure.

I

Well, I'd like a motion that the carroll county board of commissioners.

I

Not enforce any form of mask or vaccine mandate upon air.

I

County employees unless or until the united states supreme court rules on said, subject.

Y

The supreme court may never rule on it or an.

B

Okay, I got a motion. Is there a second.

B

Hearing none motion fails. Okay, anything else.

B

Did you have this no.

E

Okay, let me know in the soul again yeah absolutely.

B

Come on up, let's talk about agendas.

B

And then we will go into close for land acquisition and then mr burke will have his lunch.

B

So he's treated again.

B

Monday november 22nd.

B

I maryland's sustainable growth awards virtual. I will be attending okay.

B

um Commissioner, weaver will be attending the founders day celebration at gerstel.

B

Academy in the morning on tuesday november 23rd 25 years of existence.

B

At 10 a.m, uh commissioner, wentz will be attending the gmac, which is governor's emergency management.

B

Advisory council and then at 1 pm there will be a joint meeting with the mount airy.

B

uh Officials we're going to harrison lakeshore, just you know, parish, intellectual property, all.

B

Five of us will be attending and that will be done at mount airy town hall, wednesday. We have nothing.

B

Thursday we're closed for thanksgiving, along with friday, close to thanksgiving commissioner.

B

Lance will be providing the podcast on sunday morning and then at 2 p.m. Commissioner, wentz.

B

Is conducting a eagle scout court of honor for tyler deskowitz on monday november 29th.

B

Nothing commissioner lance has said at least 17 times about his uh community meeting. Now it's.

B

18 18. at 7, 00 pm at the woodson valley, fire social hall, has that social hall been upgraded.

B

Just okay and it is an upgraded social hall cell um on wednesday.

B

There will be a planning commission at 6 00 pm, commissioner williams will be attending. I believe.

E

That one's been cancelled I'll have to check, but I don't believe they had anything for the agenda.

E

But I think I got noticed on that that they would not be taking place.

B

I apologize on um november 30th. That's the ribbon, cutting right for the uh correct. That's all yeah.

E

So that's 30th november 30th at 11 o'clock up in hampstead. uh The specifics will be provided.

B

um I will be attending that, along with commercial frasier and I think yeah, I'm.

E

Going to be there and commissioner weaver is commissioner bouchette you're attending.

I

Oh, which event are we looking at here, the solar yeah. I got confused with the.

I

uh Social yeah I'll attend that okay, so all five of us will be attending on thursday. We go.

B

Closed on december, 2nd open at nine, we'll talk, water and sewer fall amendment.

B

Oh okay, after a public hearing, I guess right. um I assume that is the public hearing.

B

All right uh citizens, ub, solar, uh llc and annexation, um not sure what that's going to.

B

Be about, but that's right, I think it's in union bridge, I think they're annexing crop uni bridge.

Y

Wants to annex citizens of union bridge okay! No, no is this: the the name of the company citizens.

Y

Uv solar, but um but it's in union bridge they want to annex property, got it okay. Thank you.

B

Public hearing for college past fair increase, uh we'll have um solid waste funding discussion.

B

With mr castaway, I think he can be purchased being a lot this uh this morning, purchase of.

B

Once churchill coney lift looking forward to hearing all about that, and then mr hein will be.

B

Talking to us about stormwater review contract and then about an approval for or requesting.

B

Approval for a grant application acceptance award for the brynwood stream restoration.

B

And then, if he's continuing to be lucky, he'll request an approval.

B

And get a grant application acceptance award for willow palm tree planting okay,.

B

On friday and then the afternoon, just it's really stuck down here: um you'll have a.

F

At 1 pm, you have a discussion amongst the board about the residential tech, okay, so the impact.

B

From the public comments today this afternoon this evening, we will have as the board of commissioners.

B

The residential uh texan map discussion, thank you, and that will be an open session on friday. Carroll.

B

County realtors uh luncheon, I will be attending and then they'll be down for that as well.

B

Along with commissioner fraser and then there'll be a grand opening at the harvesting natural.

B

Town mall, commissioner fraser, will be attending um sunday. Commissioner fraser has the podcast.

I

Okay, if I may I want to add, I will attend the realtor luncheon as well. It's just they don't.

I

Have a location yet: okay, oh let's, say it's usually in westminster. What's that.

D

It's usually in westminster, but I'm not possible a lot of times it's over at uh maggie's.

D

B

Okay, I got a motion a second to go into closed delay in acquisition all in favor.

D

Motion to recess after that, until one o'clock.

B

Second, I got a motion second recess after that till 1 pm for public hearing all in favor.

B