Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 10 Dec 2020

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Good morning, good morning, everyone uh good morning to county staff.

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The citizens that are this conference will now be recorded. Colleagues and everyone else.

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Across the uh across the county, here this morning, uh thursday december, the 10th.

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We're going to start out with uh priority carol, as we typically do.

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uh But before that we're going to rate we're going to what do we do? We stand for the pledge pledge.

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We stand for the pledge uh and also let's uh take a moment, uh to reflect on uh on. What's going on.

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Around us, with our moment of silence, carroll hospital and the and the health care workers.

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Out there are are exhausted, the place is jammed uh everywhere across the country, we're seeing.

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Huge upticks, as a matter of fact yesterday, uh has been declared uh the most deadly day that we've.

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Ever seen here in this country, we had more people die yesterday of covet than were killed in 9 11.

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So uh this is this: is uh it's a serious situation that we're in, and uh we have to be mindful of that.

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So please keep all of our folks on the front lines. Everybody that's dealing with this pandemic and.

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Your thoughts as we as we do our moment of silence with that we're going to rise for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to.

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The republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay good morning, once again, uh if anybody didn't didn't see it, uh I want to make sure.

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That everybody knows mr frazier has a christmas mask on this morning. Okay, so.

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All right, let's go to prior to carol this morning and uh with priority carol, I'm going.

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To start this morning with uh commissioner ed rusteen uh in district five uh ed good morning,.

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Great place this morning, I got a few things to share and uh um attended the governor's.

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Workforce development board yesterday and the bwi business partnership breakfast this morning again.

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Sharing with you that we are reaching out to the region and to the state and our participation.

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Does matter uh one comment during the workforce development board yesterday that really resonated.

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A lot a lot of discussion, a lot of the different secretaries, the school administrator, was there.

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uh Had a lot of different conversations about how to keep the workforce going, the comment that.

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Resonated was this past year. No, a year ago there were 9 300, that filed for unemployment in maryland.

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And this was not in the virtual reality. This was them filing for unemployment. This past year.

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There was 39 000 that filed for unemployment, and that was all virtual, so 9 300 to 39.

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000 difference, this is obviously a big challenge. I know they're doing the best they can they're.

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Continuing to uh change their processes to be uh more supportive of those filing, but those numbers.

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Are just so dramatic when that, when I heard that- uh and I just wanted to share that with you.

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Let's see we continue to say this is the uh the season of giving uh there's a lot of opportunities.

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To give whether it's uh helping out a neighbor, um you know, or just in the community where it doesn't.

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Cost money there's also toys for tots and giving trees with all the different. um You know: churches.

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And religious uh establishments, um the lions club, is always looking and, along with a lot of.

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Other non-profits are always looking to support our community and those less fortunate. um So you.

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Know kind of dig into pockets and uh see what we can do to continue to give is what I ask.

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One thing that's pretty disturbing and we saw in the news about scammers and fraud happening in the.

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County this is happening uh and it's not just a single incident. There are multiple incidents.

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That are happening uh in our county and in our community. I just share with you. You see something.

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Say something or if you hear of something bring it to uh the police attention and let's, uh let's get.

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This uh stuff under control, because unfortunately, the season of giving is also a season of where.

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People take advantage of those that are vulnerable, and um you know there are scammers and frauds that.

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Are out there, so I just asked that we would be a little bit more vigilant towards that.

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A couple last things one: I continue to share leaders lead. You know we don't call names, we don't.

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uh Use social media or other venues to uh to share unwanted or unwarranted name-calling.

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Or scandalous opinions and best thing we can do as leaders as work, commissioners that we are.

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Is promote the good habits in getting through this pandemic wearing the mask minimizing.

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The social gatherings and do what's right, also doing what's right, is shopping. Local.

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I really do applaud everything we're doing to help our businesses, but it's not going to.

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End with just handing out money from the government to the businesses it's going to.

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Be the community reaching out and shopping local and uh and dining local. So I ask.

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uh Everyone do the best they can and the last thing a very happy hanukkah for those that are.

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Celebrating the this evening's, the first night of hanukkah and uh as we move into again, the holiday.

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Season wishing everybody a great great december and great season thanks thanks ed, uh let's.

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Go up to district 2 and uh say good morning to commissioner richard weber, dick good morning.

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Good morning, well, this is the holiday season, as you said, in the 2020 holiday tour uh featuring.

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A socially distant santa is at the farm museum and uh this past weekend you know they have our.

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Children had their picture taken from six feet away, of course, with santa and uh worked very well.

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And santa will be at the farm museum uh from noon to four this saturday and sunday.

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And he also, uh but then he has to go back to north pole for a while, but uh the other days, the for.

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Farm museums, uh while the farm museum is open, they have, you know, still have this. Children's scavenger.

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Hunt a playground, an outside tour about slaves and ice, so um they have something to do for the.

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Weekend, uh if you uh have your kids or grandkids, uh want to take them, it'd be a perfect time.

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uh This is the season of giving it, as said, and um I just remind you, don't get coveted.

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uh Make sure you keep your mask on wash your hands and uh keep your distance, but um you know this is.

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The season we can give all the wrong things. You know that wasn't a grinch comment, eric.

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uh And you know ed, you made a good comment here, uh lead don't disrupt, and that is part of our.

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Charge, I think, as commissioners in the county and with the idea of giving locally, you know from.

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Local businesses remember a gift card from a local business, helps them float or something like that.

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uh It's easy to get. You don't have to spend a lot of time shopping uh to do it, but uh it supports.

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Them we have a lot of small restaurants, uh small businesses, that can uh use a lot. If you know 100.

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People give a gift card to it that may be as good as a county grant. So that's all I have for today.

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All right, thank you, dick! Let's, head northwest and come into westminster, commissioner frazier.

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Morning, good morning, always a good trip to coming to westminster. First thing: I want to talk about.

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There's a board of ed meeting last night and thank you you can put it up. uh East middle school was.

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Discussed- and there was a there's- a plan for east middle school- it's out there they're getting more.

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To find what they're, looking for they've moved some things around, do you have a picture of like.

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From there that would go back yeah right there, that's it's kind of hard to see, but that's the.

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Footprint of where east middle school is going to be put now uh with parking and bus, loots and all.

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This other so they're getting much closer now to the nuts and bolts of what they're actually.

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Going to do and good news along with that is they're, actually specs speccing out uh what some.

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Of this is going to cost, and the estimate right now is about half a million dollars less than.

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Was originally proposed, let's hope it stays that way or maybe even keeps going in that direction.

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So that was really good news. Last night, you're getting closer for east middle school.

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uh Staying along with the board of ed meeting last night, they're going to start sports practices on.

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14Th, I think it is that would be monday. This is coming up and they're staying in their small.

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Learning groups and the specialized programs are coming in and an apparently unrelated topic.

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The coveted numbers in carroll county, the highest they've ever been this past week, hospitalizations.

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At carroll, hospital center are maxed out, there's so many people in there that they even had to put.

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Off some some surgeries, I'm sure they'll take them when they can, but because of bed space. So it's you.

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Know a lot of things are happening in carroll. County stay ever vigilant on wearing your mask.

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And social distancing and washing your hands. I know I it's it's, you know you hear it all the time.

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And why vaccine has been improved in uh britain? Hopefully a back vaccine will be improved today.

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United states, but even if the vaccine is approved today and they get it out within.

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Three days, which is the plan, people start getting vaccinations three days after uh it's approved.

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That will not stem this wave. That's going on right now, in this winter, some people said this is going.

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To be the darkest winter of our lives and that's because of sunshine, so we have to keep vigilant on.

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This the vaccine is going to get out there. I have confidence that it will, but I really believe I'm.

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Not until april uh around april march, somewhere in there are we going to have see positive effects.

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From the vaccine, as a as a country, so just get the vaccine when it comes out. Let's move forward, it's.

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A it's a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is at the end of the tunnel. It's not happening right.

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Now, thank you. That's all I have thanks dennis and then we make a u-turn and head to woodbine.

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And uh say good morning to commissioner eric boucher from district four eric good morning.

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Thank you, commissioner. Lance. I want to start out by calling commissioner ross seen.

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Two names generous and kind and happy hanukkah to you. I think you gave a wonderful message. Thank you.

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Very much uh we also have the uh the charity of hope drive with paper. So if you're looking for.

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An avenue to give a donation, you can go contact the paper through their link and do a charity.

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Charitable donation, through them, one of your donations, would be for the hospice.

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A lot of those organizations are stressed out right now, so I think that'd be a good opportunity.

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To support those facilities, they're dealing with and being directly impacted by this pandemic when.

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We'll go into shop local here we go this weekend. My girlfriend and I took the time to start out in.

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Mount airy on downtown main street lots of little shop center and places to eat. There's a photo.

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That then, we went up to new windsor to the farmers market, so we start in the southern.

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End of this district did some shopping. Then we went to the farmer's market. I really love the.

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Farmers market there's very unique gifts there. You can get jams, jellies, sauces stuff like that.

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Good idea- and it's very unique to give a gift like that, as opposed to a big box store item and then.

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We finished the day up up in union bridge there. We were on downtown main street and union bridge.

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There I was able to buy some arts and crafts christmas decorations, which I think are a.

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Wonderful gift, they're, very unique and, like I said, make your gifts this year.

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Very unique and special and the only place you don't find those type of gifts.

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Are owner downtown main streets, not only the ones in my district, I'm I have a preference to them.

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But all over the county yeah we have sites well down in commissioner ross.

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Steen's district we got ham set up in commission weavers district go around and visit all these.

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Downtown areas and get some very unique and special gifts, because our local small businesses.

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Really need your help and support in the midst of all this. Thank you very much good job. Let's.

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Jump in on that eric, I have to say, my wife is taking this to heart because she is shopping. Often.

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Yeah it you know it's interesting and then then we're gonna, we're gonna, make another u-turn and.

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Head back up to district one, where, uh if you, if you get a chance, ladies and gentlemen, uh drive.

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By the carroll county office building once again, the holiday decorations here are amazing and we.

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Have one of the best trees I think we've ever had? We want to thank again the reasoner family.

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From keysville kemar area that tree actually came off of what used to be the francis scott key farm.

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So there's a lot of history there so drive by and look at our decorations.

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uh It's it's, they were great and I want to thank again all of our staff that made that.

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Happen uh tagging on to what commissioner boucher said. You know it's interesting.

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As we continue to see shutdowns- and I'm not going to get into that debate right now, but.

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We're seeing a lot of money being transferred from main street to wall street, because the big boxes.

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Are are thriving, the amazons are thriving they're doing better than they've ever done.

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Our main streets continue to be challenged, so uh I will. I will tag along on what commissioner boucher.

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Said uh and all of us say you have got to continue to support small.

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Business! Stop that main street to wall street uh funnel of money uh and give it to our our.

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Our small business community and eric- I just missed you in union bridge on saturday, so.

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uh We we went, we crossed paths there on main street uh a couple of things before me.

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Yeah a couple things that are going on that I want to make folks aware of.

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You guys were talking about it's a season of giving once again the lineboro manchester lions.

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Club has organized another home, pickup food drive to support less fortunate families and, let's be.

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Clear, uh as we see this main street to wall street funnel of money, we've got a lot of folks that are.

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Really struggling and not sure where their next dollar is coming from, especially in our restaurant.

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Industry, as as we continue to see restaurants being shut down, uh remember that it's not just the.

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Restaurants, it's shutting down it's it's the wait staff that rely on tips, they're, not getting them.

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It's the cooks in the kitchen, they're, not getting their money. It's the the food distributors that.

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Are taking food to these places, so the food can be made they're, not getting their money. There's.

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A lot of people struggling here, so a lime burn ancestors again the lions club is doing their.

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Holiday home pickup uh chris swam is going to put that on the website if he hasn't done so already.

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uh But you can donate uh any house in any house with a 21102, zip code and I encourage you. That's.

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Coming up that's coming up on saturday december, the 19th, so I encourage you to look at our website.

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Or give the folks over at lineboro manchester lions club uh a call and uh get in on that.

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On that food distribution, uh holiday, home pickup very successful last year and uh they're hopeful.

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That it's gonna be, and I'm sure we'll be again this year. They do a great job over there, carroll.

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County public library has having their letters to santa campaign uh right now. It's going on. You can.

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Stop by and take home uh pick up a take-home kit with all you need for letter writing and.

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Then you can bring it to the library when you're finished and drop it in the special mailbox and.

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Get your letter to santa out there that that's a great, uh a great uh venture as well so contact the.

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Library or look at their website uh for that, um I want to pause for a minute here in to carol and.

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Just uh pay tribute to a gentleman that that uh passed away this this week, uh mr tom timberman,.

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uh Was one of the original dispatchers here in carroll county? uh I had the privilege of working.

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With tom, at the 9-1-1 center back in the day for about 12 years and um tom was an amazing guy.

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You know we, those of us that that are in the public safety realm and knew what was what was.

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Happening back in the day, back back in those days at the 911 center, you knew exactly whose voices.

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Was on the air uh and tom had that distinct voice um when he was was dispatching and um again he he.

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Was one of the the original uh dispatchers when they first started on the second floor, over top.

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The old westminster firehouse on main street and then tom became a shift supervisor when they moved.

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uh But to the timberman to tom's family uh to his his his kids and his wife and grandchildren. All.

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Of us here in carroll county say thank you for your service, mr timmerman and rest in peace and.

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You also are another uh individual who made your mark here in county. uh Okay, with that.

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I have uh another priority carol that will kind of tie in with uh where we're going on our agenda.

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Ed singer is on this morning, so I will ask that ed and those from the health.

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Department that are on uh go ahead and light up here and ed is going to be.

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Paying tribute uh to one of his volunteers uh out there and I've got a proclamation here, ed, but I'll.

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Wait for you uh to do the the presentation here and uh then we'll do the proclamation after that.

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So ed good morning, good morning, commissioners, and uh there we go, we got the ag center folks out at.

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The ag center, uh who are doing testing on with us, uh I I have to say you know this- has been.

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Obviously, as you guys know, a really uh difficult time for us at the health department from the.

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Very beginning of this uh pandemic and wanted to recognize a couple of our volunteers today, but.

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One of them wasn't available, so we only have one one. That's here today, beth harkins and I.

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Don't see her, I see richard brace but uh they're working on getting there she's out there doing the.

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Testing today she didn't want to uh you know she she's been she's, been there almost every day.

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Helping us with testing, but at the very beginning of this pandemic, when we were really struggling.

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With uh with our first outbreaks in nursing homes and and the in the the outbreak, everybody.

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Knows about that we had down at pleasant view. uh She voluntarily went down there and helped them.

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And uh there weren't there weren't people that we could find that were willing to go there.

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And and willing to help out in in caring for these very sick, sick and dying patients. And it.

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Was uh it was great that she was uh that she was willing to step up and she's been willing to do.

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Whatever we've needed her to do as a volunteer, so I'm seeing the inside of the uh the ag center.

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Right now- and I don't know if she even heard what I said about her but uh anyway uh here she.

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There she is in her santa hat and uh and and her ppe, so beth. I I just was telling the commissioners.

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There's not enough good things. First of all, the health department couldn't be doing this without.

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The help of a lot of volunteers that we're getting to help us get through this and really appreciate.

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What you did down at uh volunteering, with with helping with pleasant view, nursing, home and and.

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Everything that you're doing out at our testing site- and I can't just say enough good things about.

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What you're doing for the health department and for the community uh we we'd be lost without.

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Volunteers, like you and you've, been one of the one of the folks that have really stepped up and.

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I just wanted to make sure we recognized what you were doing so I don't know commissioners.

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Is it appropriate for her to say a few words now or do you guys want to say something? First,.

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um Let me do the proclamation ed and then we'll hear from death and then we'll I'll.

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Let my colleagues uh thank beth personally so beth. I don't know if you can see this or not.

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First of all, I gotta say it's amazing that we're getting a live stream from our testing facility.

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We might be the only county in the state of maryland that has that capability, so.

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Kudos kudos to you, ed and the staff out there for that. That's amazing in itself, but um beth we're.

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Going to be giving a proclamation to you when we can see you safely, but the proclamation says.

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That uh it's recognizing you for your volunteerism elizabeth beth haskins, consistently donated her.

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Time, totaling over 200 volunteer hours since the beginning of the covet 19 pandemic to the.

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Health department, during the onset of the pandemic beth volunteered to help staff.

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Carroll county's, first and largest nursing home outbreak, with almost all coveted 19 positive.

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Residents beth's response to the nursing home outbreak when other clinical staff declined.

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To respond for fear of contracting the disease was seen as extremely brave. She has continued.

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To support our community response by regularly suiting up in full personal protective equipment.

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Through the spring summer and into the fall to collect specimens from carroll county residents,.

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Suspected of having this disease, as you are seeing, live right now and our volunteer efforts have.

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Supported the carroll county health department testing site and been key to keeping carroll.

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County citizens safe and limiting the spread of this disease during the ongoing public health.

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Emergency so we're this is a proclamation that we'll be presenting to beth. On behalf of the.

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County board of commissioners, we express our deep and abiding appreciation to elizabeth haskins.

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Adopted this 10th day of december 2020 and signed by the five county commissioners, and we will see.

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That beth does get this proclamation, so uh beth a few words from you and then I'll turn it over to.

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My colleagues, if you can on I don't know if they have the ability to unmute out their ed or not.

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Can uh can we unmute the computer and are you able to talk.

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I would think so we're seeing we're seeing a good video stream.

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There she is okay, I don't know if you're going to be able to hear me, but um this has been.

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A really heartfelt opportunity for me help with the community, um so I thank you all for.

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Your support in the health department setting up this uh testing site um they take very good.

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Care of us here so um we're very appreciative of that. Also, thank you beth, commissioner osteen.

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Just uh a couple simple words: one thank you so much for all that you do and uh it's a.

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It's a true uh testament to leaders who lead you know you you'll say that's a team approach, but.

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You need leaders for others to follow and you know you have shown that by not just uh words.

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But by example, so really appreciate all you're doing for our community thanks. Thank you. Dennis.

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Commissioner frazier beth- I want to thank you very much for all that you've done, especially in this.

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Troubling troubling time, in the 200 hours that you've put in so far is tremendous. We couldn't.

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Do the testing and everything else that the health department's doing without the volunteers, like you.

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And let's you know not deny the fact that you're putting yourself at risk by doing this, even though.

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You have the ppe on and so forth that mitigate the rest, you're still putting yourself at risk.

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So I really really appreciate what you're doing for the county. Thank you, mr weaver. You're welcome.

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Well, beth, you know during times of crisis, there are always certain people who rise to the top.

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No matter what they're, the ones who come through and shine and you're one of those people- and uh I.

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Know a lot of people um but terrified of uh corona virus, and you are doing your. What most people are.

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Afraid to do I I give you a lot of credit for what you're doing, and you were one of those.

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uh People that rise to the top throughout this whole process. Thank you and commissioner boucher.

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I love the fact that you have the hat on and in spite of what we're going through you're spreading.

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Holiday here that's very admirable. Thank you very much I'll. Keep it real simple. You represent the.

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Word: hero in our community, the selfless giving of when you're of yourself for the benefit of others.

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And you personify that, so thank you very much blessings upon you and your family, this holiday.

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Season, thank you and and beth. Finally, on behalf of all of us here in carroll county, you are what is.

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Making carroll county uh great here as we continue to battle this and uh you're an amazing young lady.

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And we want to thank you for everything that you are doing out there kudos uh well done and keep up.

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The great work- and I see that you've you switched out of the turkey hat and put the santa hat on so.

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That's not only are you a special volunteer out there, but you're seasonal as well.

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Gotta love it. Thank you, a big round of applause for uh beth haskins uh everybody. Thank you. So very.

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Much we appreciate your work, stay safe out. There stay safe out there and thank you for everything.

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You've done and continue to do, you're welcome blessings to you all. Thank you.

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All right, how amazing is that that we get a live stream from our testing facility? uh You know put.

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Well, chalk up another plus for carroll county man. I got to tell you so um great job. Chris.

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Yeah two two really quick things before we get into uh yeah two really quick things before we.

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Get into uh our our first item, which is cobit, uh I forgot to mention the carroll county. Speaking of.

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How good we are? We have the lowest employment rate in the state of maryland right now, 5.1 percent.

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Unemployment rate the state is at 7.7, and uh it just goes to show that uh we once again are doing.

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Wonderful things: we've got a packed day today. uh We've got a a state. Health department called one.

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We've also got a session that one we'll be going into just uh for our own work here and then at.

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Three o'clock: the governor's going to speak again with updates, so we always keep our fingers crossed.

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As to what he's going to say and uh we'll see what's happening there, so uh let's go into uh our.

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Cove at 19 discussion that we typically do, and it appears as if we have maggie this morning to uh to.

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Do these uh to do our our updates, and so with that I will say good morning to maggie good morning.

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And you're muted maggie check your check. Your gear wheel check your.

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Gear wheel, it's gonna be a new phrase. Yeah check your gear wheel, I'll make the shirts.

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Tell her about that gear, we can't hear you.

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Thought about that your wheel, there's the gear wheel up on the upper right hand! Side! If you.

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Click on that, um sometimes that refreshes your microphone and if we can't hear you we have to.

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Go back to ed, we don't want to do that. That's true! She can hear that. Yes, yeah, we don't have.

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To check the gear wheel yet maggie I'm watching your cursor float around here and I haven't seen.

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You go up there yet go right hand, side upper right, upper right, keep going almost there. No.

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She might not be sharing me, she might not be able to get up there with her cursor since she's in the.

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Share page chris, I don't know yeah, I just she heard me. Okay now see if you can refresh that.

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Microphone there sometimes what happens is we get updates done while we're not at our computers and.

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Those little gremlins get in there and cause technological problems.

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Gremlins gremlins was on the other night.

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You get any luck there. Okay, can she call in as well phone number we've got it here.

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Yeah, let's get her to call in okay chris chris uh maggie chris is gonna. Send you.

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uh The call in and then we'll do that uh in the interim: let's, let's.

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Let's try to keep moving here a little bit unless you're, how quickly you can do that. Chris.

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I'm doing it right now: okay, I can't guarantee how quickly we'll be able to.

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All right, let's, um actually, we can't really. We can't really move forward here. We're kind of.

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We got to kind of wait for for maggie and the statistics here. So let's.

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Talk about the extension well, we could talk about that, but I think yeah. I think that.

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Hopefully, that's going to be quick. Why don't we do that uh until maggie gets on here.

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We also have, uh as part of our cove discussion, uh we have to to extend or discuss extending uh our.

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State of emergency this morning for another 30 days, uh is there any question in anyone's mind.

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For debate on this, I will I'm not going to stop the debate, but I think with the numbers that.

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The way they are and what's going on here, I think this is probably a no-brainer, but.

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I'll open it up, for my colleagues, I'm not gonna you, you all know how I feel about this one. So.

C

I'll make the motion to extend the state of emergency by 30 days. I will second it thank.

B

You, commissioner boucher, where is weaver on that? I appreciate it appreciate your second eric and.

B

All right uh any discussion on this commissioner, weaver or rostein.

B

Hearing none all those in favor of extending the state of emergency for 30 days.

B

That's unanimous: okay got that one out of the way uh how we doing with maggie.

B

Here uh chris she's on the phone, it looks like right there, let's see, if she's in the room yet.

F

I could read the rest of the grinch's for christmas. If you want me to fill the timing.

F

Is in the other room, I could put that on too. Okay.

B

Okay, that wow, that's just a wonderful idea, eric, let's, let's just say no to that one.

B

Now, she's going all right I'll tell you: what chris will you work with her? Please um roberta. Are you on.

B

And roberta's not on and robert, is on six minutes. Let's switch to.

J

Hey I just I I called in I got put on hold and then I uh just tried to decide. I would just.

K

Go out and come in again, it's like unplugging things and plugging them back in it always works.

B

Yeah excellent options.

K

Now you have to get my screen back up. Let's see um this one down that one up: okay, okay,.

K

There we go almost there.

K

All things working once: okay, now, can you see the wrap and hear me yep, we've got you maggie.

B

You're on okay, so sorry about that delay. Now, if I can just get the slides to move, let's see.

K

Okay, so good morning, sorry about that delay um I, as I said ed, had to jump jump off. He.

K

Is over um in his working and he's got his mate major meeting this morning, so uh he wanted to be.

K

On uh to say, thank you to beth, but I had to jump off so um you're. Getting me again for the update.

K

um But I do have some interesting things to share today, um so I we updated the graphs a little bit.

K

With our epidemiologist, just to give you a little bit different uh fresh review of some things.

K

Although it all looks about the same that the numbers are still continuing to climb uh so.

K

Here's our first graph, which combines the so it's total cases now which we have been looking at the.

K

Community cases in the beginning, but I really feel with the facility cases going back up a little bit.

K

um That it's it's better to look at the the total cases, but this has the probable cases.

K

Added in I know, we've kind of wanted to just see what that looks like visually.

K

The probable cases have also been increasing over the past several weeks, and so we wanted.

K

To be able to show you in the same graph, uh the two together, as you know, the probable cases don't.

K

Count as confirmed cases, but we do treat them as positives, they are contact traced. um They are you.

K

Know asked to isolate and all, um but this way just kind of shows you what the um this is. In addition.

K

To those true numbers, those total numbers that you see on the website are those probable cases.

K

uh Next, I just wanted to isolate the probable cases and just remind everybody that they're even.

K

Though they're not counted, we are, you know we are following up with them, um and you know these. These.

K

uh Slides are posted every week on our website, and so I try to include a little more information on.

K

Them so that folks, who are just reading them, can understand what the information means.

K

uh Here's our rolling average. um You know you can see that we have that little dip.

K

Last week, when we had a little bit of a reduction in cases, but it's you know we're going back up now.

K

uh The icu bed's in use- um I haven't been super elevated, but I, as you had mentioned earlier today,.

K

The hospital as commissioner fraser mentioned, the hospital, is uh seeing a lot of copic cases.

K

And um and really kind of the impact of covid. Now um you know locally, so we're going to be sharing.

K

Some extra hospital data soon, but um you know this is just the one thing we've been sharing.

K

Consistently so I wanted to still include it. uh We also have some hospitalization data next, um this.

K

Data we haven't been sharing recently because we, it was not being updated, very consistently and we.

K

Didn't feel like it was accurately reflecting uh what was happening. This is not uh what's happening.

K

At carroll hospital, so we all talked about that and then and there's a little more information.

K

About that, but this is what's happening to um carroll county residents in terms of the number of.

K

Residents who are being hospitalized for covid uh there's a little bit of a data lag. So that's why I.

K

Think it's a little bit lower this week this past week, um but you can see just by the wave. You know.

K

In the last several weeks there have been more carroll county residents, hospitalized for covid.

K

This is only it's only one hospitalization per person, so it's not counting people twice. If.

K

They're hospitalized twice it's just if anybody in carroll county was ever hospitalized for coded, so.

K

As I said, you can see it's not really a real time, but you can see that in the last several weeks there have been more hospitalizations of people in carroll, county.

K

uh So this is uh desk by week. I also we also tweaked this graph a little bit to show you still.

K

The the different the facility desks and the community desks separately.

K

But I wanted to stack them to really give a better uh just a better visual for how many deaths we've.

K

Really seen over the last few weeks in total, so you can see obviously it's much so much lower.

K

Than that original spring in the spring, when we had so many facility deaths, but you can still.

K

See that facility and community desk combined have given us a little spike in fatalities.

K

uh We, our age age range, was getting so packed. We couldn't um couldn't really see the lines anymore.

K

So we took out several weeks and just uh started in mid-august, and so you can see here a little.

K

Bit more clearly, the different you know: sort of the variations in the age groups over time.

K

And then here's the other age graph, which gives you a little bit another sort of time.

K

Time view on a horizontal axis, but just showing you, those different groups uh and just to note.

K

These groups are not the same they're, not all the same size, they're different. You know different.

K

Numbers of people in these groups, so there's these are just sheer numbers. So it's not really a rate.

K

I also wanted to mention um the vaccination survey. um I said I've been, you know, saying.

K

That I would bring some results, so I have a few results from the vaccination survey, but.

K

Anybody has any questions about the data we can do that first and then I'll go into the survey.

B

Anything on the data.

B

Pretty much speaks for itself, so it does.

B

The the daily reports we're getting out of chc are very troubling as well, so I appreciate that.

B

The sharing of that too maggie- I, I think ed, had spoken with garrett out there. That.

B

We're going to try to do that on a little bit more consistent basis, just to get the.

B

Sense of where we are here, especially in the next month or two yeah, yes, so so we'll be sharing the.

K

The total census, I believe, and then the number of of um covid patients and the number of pui's and.

K

The number of cova patients in this past week has been in the 30s, whereas before previous.

K

Weeks, it's been in the maybe upper teens the last couple weeks, so it's definitely higher this week.

K

uh The number of cova patients in carroll hospital and so we're watching that pretty closely and just.

K

um And hopefully, yeah we'll be able to share that a little bit more clearly familiar with.

D

What is the icu bed capacity at carroll hospital? Is it 14? It may be 14 of the the num, the the.

K

Spreadsheet that I see every day it's usually like 12, but I think it's around. I think it's around 14.

K

Total but it's like 12 normally beds that they don't want to see um and, as I said with our icu.

K

Graph, we were seeing some um some real upticks there, but I haven't in the last few weeks, but.

K

It does seem like they have more coveted patients, so I'm I think they're, just not all of them are in.

K

The icu, a lot of them, are in acute care beds. Okay. Well, I take away the positive from this.

F

Amongst all the negative is, thank goodness, we're not seeing the spikes and fatalities.

F

In relation to the spikes and infections like we had in the spring, so that's a positive. We take.

F

Away from this and the fact that we're not seeing as many people in the icu I'm really curious.

F

To find out, you know medically why we're able to bring that down it's good, but whatever we're doing.

F

That's right, I wish we could expand and inform people, because I'm very happy to see that the.

F

Spike is not taking place in the fatalities. That was my biggest concern that we'd see that fatality.

F

Spike, like we had in the spring, so whatever's going on, there's some positives out there.

F

And I'm very grateful to people in the medical staff that are making it happen.

K

That's a great point: yeah. We we have not seen quite the same spike as we did in the.

K

um In the spring, but of course you know a lot of those those fatalities were in. um You know.

K

Very vulnerable populations in uh facilities- and um you know we're seeing that a little bit again.

K

I mean I'd say we have a spike, it's just a much smaller spike than we've had before, but um we're.

K

Thankful to you all the the healthcare workers who are doing their best to care for people and.

K

You know the medical advances that people in labs and people who studying these things have found.

K

um Trying lots of new uh treatments that certainly helped, uh I think uh you know.

K

Keep the fatality rates down, but it's still, you know it's still concerning obviously.

K

The best way to prevent fatalities is to prevent infections in the first place, so.

K

um That's our first first line of defenses prevention, but we certainly are grateful for.

K

Everybody who's worked hard to uh to reduce the fatality rate over time, so um any other.

K

Questions about the data before I give you a little information about the vaccination survey.

B

Yep, I think we're good okay, all right, so um so the so the maryland department of health did.

K

Just release a frequently asked questions document. It's pretty long, pretty thorough, we'll be putting.

K

That up on our vaccination page today so folks can look for that and that will be updated regularly.

K

And now that we've gotten the results of this first survey, I will be working on.

K

Making sure that we um are able to answer a lot of the questions that the residents um raised in this.

K

Survey um certainly had some great questions. A lot of people um you know are interested but want.

K

To know more, and so we want to be able to give them that information as soon as it's available.

K

So we'll be working a lot on getting out more information about vaccination. um You know over the.

K

Next few weeks, and as much as we can in the coming months, as we all learn more so, um as I said I'll.

K

Be posting the results on this website in a few minutes after this call and folks who are who did.

K

Not get a chance to take the survey, we did close the large survey, but if anybody's interested in.

K

Taking it still, I did open up a second second wave of the survey, because there are so many people.

K

Who are still interested so people can contact us, there's information on that page or they can give.

K

Our hotline a call and get more information about how to take this survey, so these are just a few.

K

Slides from the from the results, a lot of the results are, you know very interesting. One of.

K

The things I find most interesting about these surveys is just the comments people make because.

K

They really tell you what people want to know and what they um what their concerns are. So um so this.

K

First question we asked was that people would get a coping vaccine as soon as it was available to.

K

Them you know, based on their uh priority group and about half, said that they were either definitely.

K

Are probably planning to get the vaccine um as soon as it was available to them and about 35.

K

Percent they said that it would probably not or definitely not get it right away, so that helps.

K

Us a little bit in planning just to know um you know who's gonna, wait and see who's, never gonna.

K

You know who really doesn't want to get it and who definitely wants to get it as soon as possible.

K

So if you're not sure we asked people, um why are you not sure- and um this was pretty interesting.

K

So a lot you know the the biggest concern people could answer. Multiple, uh you know could choose.

K

Multiple reasons, but the biggest concern was side effects. uh The second biggest concern was safety.

K

The third uh that the vaccine wasn't tested on people like that people of the same race or the.

K

Same age group or the same health conditions, uh the fourth was that the approval process was.

K

Rushed uh they were so they're concerned about the approval process and the fifth was effectiveness.

K

uh And then we also asked what made what would make people decide to get the vaccine at a later.

K

Time um and this kind of echoes what was said in the in the previous question, evidence of safety.

K

Evidence of effectiveness, evidence in people who were like them. A lot of people said that.

K

If their doctor recommended it, they would, they would strongly consider it and, and some people.

K

Did say if it was a requirement, they would get it, but they might not get it otherwise.

K

uh And the last question I want to share was in what ways would you be comfortable receiving the.

K

Vaccine when you choose to do so, this is a you know just helpful for us in planning how.

K

Best to get the vaccine out to the community and almost 80 said they'd be comfortable uh receiving.

K

It from their healthcare provider um for over 40 said pharmacy drive-through clinic um a lot.

K

Of folks comfortable, getting it from their employer, like they often do with a flu shot.

K

uh And then folks, clinics with appointments, so that will help us as we move forward um and learn.

K

What you know, what vaccines we're getting when and what we and how we can, we can get it out.

K

To the public that will help us to know a little bit more about what they, um what.

K

They what folks would like to see uh so any questions about the vaccination survey very.

B

Very interesting results, maggie. That's all that's all I can say about it. It's it and again, you're a.

B

Little over ten thousand folks that took it so yes and the survey is still open. Is that what you said.

K

So the survey the first survey isn't open since I had to present the results, but I had enough.

K

People who were interested that I've made a second survey so folks can contact me and find a way to.

K

Take that I'm happy to talk with somebody over the phone or send it in the mail if they really.

K

Want to take it um but aren't able to take it online, um so so people can still take it if they.

K

Want to we're, obviously this is a long, long haul, we're going to be planning and distributing this.

K

Vaccine for quite a long time, and so we're happy to get any feedback we can from the community. Okay.

K

So, as I said, those results will be available on our website and.

K

They're, including some of the interesting comments that I think will really help us.

K

Plan and communicate about the vaccine as we move forward. So that's all. I have um just reminding.

K

People again to you know, help move carol forward by taking all these steps that we all know by.

K

Heart by now, um we will have a video coming out, hopefully later today. That's a really positive.

K

um Just kind of a thank you video to to thank everybody for um for all the work they've done.

K

I think carroll county is still really you know doing doing. Well, considering you know the rest.

K

Of the the state and the rest of the country- um and we need to just continue to do that.

K

And continue to watch out for each other and protect each other by taking all these steps.

B

Okay, maggie, I know today we all have heard that the the uh there could be a decision uh by.

B

The experts on whether or not the vaccine, I think, dennis you, mentioned that.

B

As we get ever so closer there, I know that there are are procedures and a process in place that.

B

You all at the health department have put together working uh collaboratively with.

B

All of the partners around the county, so there is there. There is a process in place for that.

B

And is that something will that process be shared or how? How do we anticipate.

B

Advising our citizens on that uh particular adventure that we're going to be entering into.

K

That's a great great question: the big vaccination adventure. Yes, we uh we will be sharing more.

K

Information about that, it's a little tricky because uh you know as you as we've said before.

K

It's so many things there are so many moving parts, and so many things are changing um that our plans.

K

Have to be very flexible, so it isn't like. We can say we're going to be doing this this week and.

K

This next week and this uh next month, um we're really trying to be flexible and really waiting.

K

For guidance from the state and from federal government, just you know in terms of how many.

K

Doses, we have which vaccine we're getting, um how it needs to be stored and things like that, and so.

K

A lot of variables still, but we um we do need to. We do- want to share more about the process, and I.

K

Think now that we, once we have a little bit more information about which vaccine we're getting.

K

We'll be we'll be sharing more information right now, as I think everybody probably knows that first.

K

Wave will be going to long-term care facilities and some of those first responders healthcare.

K

Workers, um and so um that that that plan is in you know, is in place with our community partners and.

K

uh You know there's a lot of flexibility built in there, but we're already starting to work on.

K

Those parts and getting those groups um figuring out who needs to be vaccinated. How many people.

K

uh And how best to do that? So that's that's in the works, but in terms of uh when we, when we uh open.

K

To larger groups- and we have more vaccine and we're starting with those sort of second level.

K

Priority groups we'll be sharing those plans uh in advance, so people can really prepare and.

K

Know what steps they need to take uh to get in to get on the list and to when to show up.

K

And- and things like that, so that will be will be shared as soon as we have more information.

B

Okay, excellent and just a reminder of the testing capabilities that you all have.

B

At the shipley arena again and the number to call.

K

All right, so our number um 410-876-4848 you can also go to our website and sign up. It's.

K

Great, if you're working with your provider, but you don't have to to have a provider's.

K

Order to uh to get the test we test on sundays, tuesdays and thursdays from 9 to 12., we've opened.

K

Extra spaces, so hopefully most folks can get in if there's still a lot of demand, but we certainly.

K

Ask that people plan in advance if they can not, everybody can, but if you can and to let us know.

K

If you can't make it because those uh those open spots will will hopefully be used by somebody else,.

B

Okay, anything else for maggie.

B

Okay, thank you maggie all right. Thank you. Thanks for your patience with my technical difficulties,.

K

Have a great day no worries you too, thanks all right with that, we will move into.

B

Our discussion uh on our corona relief fund plan and I'll turn this discussion.

B

Over to our county administrator roberto windham good morning good morning, gentlemen,.

L

So I've been talking about this each week since may or june for a long time we're nearing the end.

L

uh As I said the last couple weeks, we were doing some final uh telling with all of the.

L

Agencies, both internal and external, that have that have received some of the grant funding.

L

And I sent you the latest spreadsheet yesterday evening, interestingly, um and but not surprisingly,.

L

The plan really has not changed from where we started very few uh differences at that time. From.

L

From that time to this, the two projects of note um that have changed one, we added an eviction.

L

Prevention program uh and the second um really didn't change as much as it did increase over time.

L

We started off with one anticipated amount for business relief and, as numbers became more and.

L

More refined as we worked the plan and started changing things from estimates to actual costs.

L

We're able to to dedicate more and more money to um business relief and I use business in a very.

L

Very broad sense, and in fact, if you uh look at the top of your chart, I think it's very telling that.

L

We used about seven and a half million dollars of the 14.6 million dollars that the county received.

L

For relief out to the uh constituencies in in carroll, county.

L

um So you know you've always known um from the beginning that there were two halves to this money.

L

Half went to the health department and how half came to the county, um the health department, money.

L

Has been used uh mostly for their purposes and and and then um medically related expenses throughout.

L

The county for businesses and and other um other entities, um and in fact the health department has.

L

From their money, how also granted about three and a half million dollars in various business kind.

L

Of relief to non-profits businesses and other things other such entities and then the other.

L

Half, of course, um of the money came to the county and and was used for all the different projects.

L

That you see listed on the spreadsheet um the final thing and why we've been able to say all.

L

Along that, we were going to be able to spend the money is because the treasury guidance on this.

L

Allows jurisdictions to offset costs for certain staff deemed as substantially dedicated.

L

So this gives recipients like carol flexibility to spend the entire grant.

L

So um and then to that end, you'll you'll see that the health department has chosen to provide to the.

L

County any unexpended funds that they have to us for our substantially dedicated costs.

L

And if, if in calendar year 21, there isn't additional relief money or.

L

um uh There are additional costs that especially the health department has. um You can discuss at.

L

That time, using some of that offsetting some of that those covet costs in calendar year, 19.

L

With some of the savings that we would incur as a result of this substantially dedicated, um we would.

L

Be able to pay for things such as vaccine delivery, contact tracing and testing into calendar year, 21.

L

If you so desire, but we'll take that up um next year calendar year, um so that's sort of the update.

L

On that, um are there any questions we're just getting near the end I wanted to uh if there.

L

Aren't any questions about the plan? I wanted to turn it over to um jeff castengram. Just looking.

L

For him on here and yeah jeff castingway and his team to update you on some of the bigger building.

L

Construction projects that we've indicated but before I do that any questions for me.

L

Okay, hearing none mr castingboy. If you'll update the commissioners on some of the big building.

L

Projects I appreciate it, it will do and uh commissioner fraser do you have a question.

M

Okay! Okay, great, so thank you so much. uh Thank you, commissioners, uh for this time I'll be here today.

M

With eric berdine deputy director, um public works also he'll uh be providing an update on the larger.

M

Capital projects that you were seeing touching and feeling here at the building, along with.

M

The at the landfill uh summary of what we have going on uh with our facilities uh based projects.

M

Is um we have a lot of projects that are underway um that will we are going to have here complete.

M

That we've completed the date a few of the summary of those is our sneeze guards.

M

um Well, we still have a couple things kind of trickling here and there for our workstations.

M

To remain separated, those are complete. Our sanitation stuff has been replaced door plates.

M

Faucets soap and towel dispensers to keep those touchless. We have a zoning project. We had to.

M

Did the work over at zoning, so that was a great project to allow that office staff.

M

To be separated out court wall project for them to continue on with the court operations.

M

Same thing with permits, commissioner hearing room, those are complete: north carol, senior center.

M

Storage facility has been completed and fully utilized by uh between us.

M

And the health department to keep all of our supplies in our ppe stock that.

M

We've been mandated to have on hand, so we can keep everybody protected new drop-off area, obviously.

M

For the plans and specifications to keep up handle the customer service with our citizens.

M

A few things that we have coming up in the very in the near future now is um the kessler.

M

Destroyer building adding a door over at that building will be complete in the next week.

M

Will allow us the additional warehouse space that we need from for items and materials that.

M

We have to store while we go through these processes of uh additional health and safety.

M

The out of door openers for double o3 and.

M

The commissioner's meeting room, so this way keep that touchless but also gives us a ability to add.

M

Some additional access for any of our citizens that come to visit us when we're back to open.

M

Session that may have some mobility needs uh or restrictions or issues. We can we'll have.

M

The automatic doors to allow them to get in and out without having to try to hold the doors open.

M

And auto dispensers for citizen services and multiple other groups will be completed.

M

Next week you might have seen it for those who've been building our addition of additional.

M

Cubicles uh divisions for our administrative staff for those that are right on the front lines as we.

M

Go back to reopen uh gives them that separation, where they may not have had their own office space.

M

Or field goal before um we've been able to take down the quick plexiglas and put up a permanent.

M

Structure that gives them a little more privacy, but also protection uh now and moving forward and.

M

The last one is the uv systems for hvac systems. um Like we mentioned many times before, we are.

M

Just like everybody else in the world right now trying to get our hands on these units. A lot of.

M

The smaller units have been completed, we're about 60 to 75 percent. Complete right now depends on.

M

uh How we're looking at that? Because a lot of the smaller units have come in so our senior centers.

M

Or some of our small or robert milton center, that has smaller hvac units in section units or.

M

Areas we've been able to replace or get those installed and get that equipment in quicker.

M

From the suppliers it's the larger units like we might have here at the top of our cob, uh when you.

M

Have these larger roof units? uh Those are the ones that are having a little behind coming in, uh but.

M

Facilities is working diligently, we're pulling out another subcontractor now to help with the.

M

Cleaning and processing and getting electrical work, so all we have to do as soon as these arrive.

M

We can just plug and play and still work on that deadline of the 30th to get all those installed.

M

As they arrive any questions on those projects before I pass the salon to eric.

M

All right hearing, none at this point uh eric please take it away.

N

All right thanks jeff good morning, commissioners, and thank you for your time this morning.

N

And the opportunity to update you on the karzak products.

N

First, I'd like to take a moment and thank the staff of building construction, solid waste and our.

N

Admin staff for all their hard work to move these projects forward on such a short timeline, everyone.

N

Has put forth an extra extra time on these projects and I sincerely appreciate their efforts.

N

These projects have certainly come with some unique challenges, from availability of materials.

N

To timely deliveries, as well as the expedited timeline for the project, completion.

N

I'll be updating you on four projects funded by the cares act this morning.

N

First project is the new windsor emergency management renovation.

N

This project is an 825 square foot renovation at the library headquarters in new windsor for use.

N

As offices by emergency management, this renovation consists of subdividing an existing.

N

Open open office space into four offices, a commerce room and storage.

N

uh The demolition and electrical hvac and plumbing rough-ins are complete and inspected. Drywall.

N

Finishing and paint are expected to complete by the end of this week and next week, then we begin.

N

Completing the finishes in the space and the project will complete with furniture delivery.

N

Scheduled around december 23rd uh second project is the secondary emergency communications center.

N

Renovation, uh this project is a 1 1775 square foot renovation on the basement level of the.

N

County office building, this renovation includes expanding the existing secondary call center.

N

Expansion of the current kitchen and conversion of one of the two bathrooms into a shower room.

N

Currently, demolition and plumbing electrical hvac, roughens and closing inspections are complete.

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For the emergency call center space, the kitchen, the bathroom and the shower room.

N

Installation of data cabling and electrical wiring for the six new consoles is underway. Drywall has.

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Been hung and is in the process of being finished, the space will be painted and flooring will.

N

Be complete next week, followed by the finishes in the kitchen. The third project is the county.

N

Office building lobby renovation, this project is a 1 000 square foot renovation to the main.

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Entrance of the lobby of the county office building, the renovation includes replacement of.

N

The front entry doors with touches sliding glass doors, a new reception desk, a new security station.

N

And general renovations to the lobby. Minor changes to human resources and economic development were.

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Required to accommodate the new layout, the new front lobby will be equipped with touchless.

N

Temperature scanners and a self-checking kiosk, the existing floor and ceiling have been reworked.

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To be integrated, as required to conform to the layout demolition and plumbing electrical hvac.

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Rough-Ins and closing inspections are complete, drywall hanging and finishing is underway.

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And finishes to the lobby are expected to begin next week and the target completion date of the.

N

Lobby is december 23rd and the fourth and final project that I'll be updating on this morning.

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Is the addition of the unattended customer payment centers at the northern landfill.

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This project provides for the placement of unattended customer payment centers at the inbound.

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And outbound scales at northern landfill, the new payment centers will permit touchless driver's.

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License scanning credit card processing and print out a receipt of the transaction each center.

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Is equipped with an intercom for communication between the customer and the waymaster, it cabling.

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And switch upgrade will be completed today. The payment centers are currently being assembled by.

N

The vendor and are scheduled to be installed over the next two weeks, any questions on those projects.

L

A lot of work has been done um a little bit left to do, um but we believe that we will um come right.

L

To everything complete and the money spent by december 30th, as required by the federal.

L

Government, so if there are any questions I'll take them otherwise um I did not call on jack.

L

You noticed um yeah because the only economic relief left was the state related money. So it's.

L

Not related to the cares plan and I didn't want to get people confused, so I don't just a quick.

B

Comment, I don't know that this county has ever taken on this number of projects. At the same time,.

B

And I know that it's been driven by the coveted relief funding and what have you.

B

But it's remarkable that our staff has been able to to change gears and take on this.

B

Amount of projects to make all of us safer, and I I can't I can't even I can't even imagine the the.

B

Amount of hours that have been spent attempting to get this done so to all of you that are doing this.

B

Jeff eric everybody, that's involved, you guys have done. You've stepped up and done an amazing job.

B

um You know I I bark about things every now and then jeff. You know that I bark about the fountain.

B

A lot and um but that's just a blip on the radar, you know the projects that you have undertaken.

B

Here is just remarkable so to all of you, we truly do appreciate it. It's it's an incredible.

B

Incredible uh amount of work that you all have undertaken and you're doing a tremendous job.

M

Thank you very much and yeah. You hit the nail on the head and we do have in many in time and.

M

Time again- and I thank all the commissioners for your support and assistance for berta fear- you.

M

Know when we have, you know, deb and um heidi and stacy all stepped up to help kind of manage that.

M

Managed how we handle this money and and.

M

You know, surprise they haven't pulled all their hair out yet, um but just.

M

As a testament to you know our facility staff- and everybody too, that everybody has stepped up on.

M

This is none of our regular projects have been put on hold. None of our other regular projects.

M

Have been stopped, they continue on while they're doing all of this additional work. That was added.

M

To their plate that wasn't on their radar earlier this year, and um I it is a tremendous team.

D

So uh I think uh commissioner, lance did pull out all his hair, but that's a different story.

D

For a different time- um hey it's there! I I had to you know, but uh hair loss. I think that's a side.

L

Effect they haven't talked about yet yeah um yeah, commissioner lance, uh since you did open it up.

D

uh The comment, I also absolutely agree, um we did it right and uh we we packaged it right with the.

D

Care package receipt, um you know uh providing the appropriate guidelines and guidance and uh yeah.

D

Now that we're towards the uh the twilight time of spending, these cares act um and it's going to be.

D

Spent on all the right projects, uh definitely uh I I agree. um We prioritized the effort, uh you know.

D

Roberta you did a great job in in the leadership and the team, just putting it all together. So.

D

Yeah that that's what I was thinking the same as you there, commercial lance um we're you know.

D

Except for the hair yeah we'll leave the hair alone. I got a little, so okay got it. I'd like to.

F

Add that this was accomplished, while several of her staff members and her families had suffered.

F

Through this infection, I appreciate what you guys pulled off, because you did this.

F

While your families were suffering as well and that a lot of people don't realize that this has.

F

Hit our families and our staff as well and they're so dedicated that they continue to push on so.

F

Mr castle, I want to thank you and your staff for being able to pull this off. Thank you very much.

M

Thank you, but it is our staff and it takes a great team and I I can. I am thankful every day for every.

M

Buddy of public works and everybody of this county, uh it's when, when the time when it everybody needs.

M

To pull together, everybody here pulls together and get brings things to the finish line and elevates.

M

The bar for the rest of the state- and uh it cannot be more proud of the team that we have thank you.

L

I think it's um particularly telling that, um as I said at the beginning, we started.

L

You know we heard about this money and and uh within I think, uh ten days we.

L

Were supposed to create a plan and submit it to the state um and with the entire staff, all 650.

L

That are related to you, guys, plus all of our municipalities, our.

L

Governmental partners etc. All chipped in we send out a call. We need to know what you're.

L

Going to need for the next six months for covet uh related projects, we received all of their ideas.

L

We threw them into a well thought out. With the limited time we had planned.

L

And have been implementing that plan ever since with virtually no um change, so people really.

L

Really all across the county stepped up and have done an absolutely wonderful job for the citizens.

L

So with that, I think you can turn it over to jack.

L

Unless there's some anything else um about the crf plan,.

L

I'll turn it over to jack for information on where we stand on the state money that was.

L

Given to the county at one point, approximately 1.2 million dollars for direct restaurant really.

N

Thank you, commissioners have a great day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All thanks, jeff.

O

Jack richards good morning, we received a grant from the state for restaurants.

P

Of 1 million 201 501, we received 145 restaurants sent in their applications. We that gives us a.

P

Remainder with we have a remainder of about 222 000 dollars, so you voted last week to um split it.

P

Evenly among 145., uh we still have one straggler out there we're trying to we're trying to get.

P

All the information, but it looks like uh the 145- are going to get additional little over 1500.

P

A grant the uh this is another grant, we're gonna um we're waiting for the one to see if it comes in.

P

Today, by five o'clock we told them once we find out if it's going to come in or not coming in.

P

We're going to go ahead and start tonight, I'm sending the agreements out we'll send them out.

P

All night and tomorrow well, I asked for him to come back by next tuesday, so we give time you know.

P

To the county department to get the checks out, but it's going to be roughly about 1500 we'll have the.

P

Final total, you know tonight, like I say at five o'clock, we're waiting for one another, one other.

P

Company we're trying to work with uh the service organizations. There was 13 of them. We did get nine.

P

Of them they came back, we work with them all, so we feel good about that. But overall it's been a.

P

Real success, uh you know we'll get them in we'll we told them. You know, let's say by next tuesday,.

P

So we should be done with our paperwork. Hopefully you know somewhere. You know another week. It takes.

P

You know for the paperwork to get upstairs, so checks will be going out be way before christmas.

P

And uh we kind of got our breather for a couple weeks and we're kind of waiting for the next round.

P

We're hopeful uh we're gonna get another round in uh january to help the you know, all the business.

P

Restaurants and the business, so uh you know uh we were excited about all the programs like roberta.

P

Said about seven and a half million dollars went out to businesses, but especially to restaurants,.

D

Jack, I really appreciate the uh adjustments that you were able to make. uh You know we threw the a.

D

Bit of a curveball with the service organizations, as uh we recognized them uh coming from the.

D

Veterans, community um and you were able to uh reach out to them uh so 9 out. 13 is fantastic.

D

um Question and I don't I'm not asking for the the specifics but doing a bit of.

D

I guess the monkey math 145 restaurants, out of how many and how many have been you reached out.

D

To that said, no we do not want this grant. um Was that a significant amount as well.

P

uh No, uh we had a handful of restaurants, saying uh we we are we're doing. Okay, we don't need to grant.

P

And I don't have the total of the restaurants because you gotta you, you have a lot of.

P

We it's over it's over 200. I do know that yeah, but we're probably a good 70 75 percent of all.

P

The restaurants that came in okay go ahead, it's only a handful, it said we we're doing okay.

P

But you know we don't need the money we had about a handful, but not a lot. I can tell you not a lot.

D

That that's great so so yeah. If we look at that 70 75 percent, you know um receiving these grant money.

D

Nine of 13 service organizations and we're talking about the veteran service organizations receiving.

D

These grants- that's phenomenal and uh you know again a testament to you and the team reaching.

D

Out to them and just continuing to to push it so uh and, and you know getting the money.

D

Out before christmas um is just a cherry on the top, you know for a lot of these folks.

D

So that's awesome, so congratulations and thank you for all you're doing well. Thank you. The the team.

P

Will take a couple week break and hopefully we'll get another stimulus in uh january for businesses.

P

uh uh You know so we can, we can keep helping the business, especially the restaurants, also yeah,.

P

But we'll start like I said we'll start tonight, uh sending out the uh the agreements.

B

Okay, anything else for jack.

B

Okay, I think we're good roberta. That's all um so we'll be back next week for one final wrap-up of.

L

The year and um and then and we'll put this this project to bed, hopefully thank you, okay. Thank you.

B

Just a couple quick comments: I was on a conference call with mako earlier this week and it had to do.

B

With relief funding, I just want to remind folks that we continue. We need to continue to support.

B

Our restaurant industry- I don't know, what's going to happen this afternoon at three o'clock, some of.

B

The bigger counties are taking it upon themselves to to shut down that industry and listen. I get it.

B

um I I get the the sense that that needs to occur, but I also am struggling with the fact.

B

That this is one industry that went above and beyond and conformed to the nth degree.

B

And now they're they're they're getting shut down in some of these jurisdictions, so.

B

My point here is this: don't stop supporting these restaurants? You have got to continue to do that.

B

Regardless of what happens this afternoon, if, indeed anything does all of us know that we have.

B

Been following the governor's team's guidelines and and and uh requests to a t, and I would suspect.

B

That we will do that again, but if indeed something occurs, there continue to support these restaurants.

B

I don't want to get into a point of of making sure that we, as a county government, are relying on the.

B

Feds to give us more money so that our restaurants can stay open because there's no guarantee there.

B

At all- and that was the message that was sent to us in the mako conference- call if there is.

B

Another round of funding, it's predicted that we'll have a lot more time to be able to utilize. It.

B

And and spend it they're even talking about maybe the full year of 2021 calendar year.

B

Which would be good but again, all this is is is predicted and nothing is set in stone. So we have.

B

Got to continue to support the restaurant industry and remember that there are a lot of people.

B

That are hurting as a result of these restaurants uh being being challenged with this pandemic. So.

B

That's my 10 cent sermon for the day on the restaurant industry, so we'll see where the funding.

B

What happens with the funding and if, indeed, we do get another round so but appreciate all the.

B

Work, that's been done honestly. I all of us see it. The five of us talk amongst ourselves a lot and.

B

It's just amazing the amount of work that that's being done here with a small staff. I I will. I will.

B

Mention that too, I always like when I go to these state meetings, where a county executive walks in.

B

With 10 people behind them- and I typically walk in with one and we do more than they do.

B

Interesting set of of circumstances there and I'll leave it at that anything else.

B

Okay, thank you roberta, and yes, it's typically you. I know you saw, I saw your hand typically.

L

I take up for 10. all right anything anything else for for the coven uh discussion this morning.

B

All right a reminder again: the governor will be on at 3 pm and we'll see what the next set of.

B

Parameters are that may come our way and a big thank you to everyone all right, we're going to.

B

Move on through our agenda here and first out of the gate, is request: approval to tenure extension.

B

Renewal of the pilot program for the westminster bond senior apartments- that's the payment in lieu.

B

Of taxes- and I will turn this discussion over to our director of citizen services,.

B

Celine steckel celine good morning good morning, commissioner, um and thank you for having us. I.

Q

Just want to preface this by saying: there is construction going on outside my window today.

Q

So if you hear any uh dump truck horns, um please excuse that and hopefully the train doesn't go.

Q

Through this morning, so um I'm returning to you uh before you today and patricia denny.

Q

If you want to turn your camera on, if you're able to I see betty that you have I'm returning.

Q

Before you today, with representatives from the westminster bond senior associates, llc.

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um Owned by conifer realty, who wish to request approval for a 15-year extension or renewal of the.

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Payment in lieu of taxes, agreement for westminster, bond senior apartments, better known to us as.

Q

Sunnybrook senior apartments I'm joined today by patty, patricia denney good morning, patricia.

Q

And by betty perry, both of conifer realty, as well as my county colleagues rob burke our comptroller.

Q

And danielle yates our bureau chief of housing and community connections. As you may recall, conifer.

Q

Representatives joined us on june 25th, with their initial request to renew their 15-year.

Q

Pilot agreement, which was expiring on june 30th, a one-year extension was granted by you. The board.

Q

With the request that conifer returned to provide additional information regarding their.

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Sunny brook senior apartment rental structure and the positive impact the pilot has on that.

Q

For our citizens of carroll county as part of the pilot westminster bond senior apartment.

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Apartments is obligated to provide income, restricted rental options for older adults.

Q

A 15-year renewal of the pilot agreement is being requested in fiscal year 21. The pilot.

Q

Was able to provide a cost savings to westminster bond senior apartments of twelve thousand seven.

Q

Hundred and seventy eight dollars um at this time, I'm going to turn it over to patricia dunny to.

Q

Share some additional information regarding the apartments who they serve and how that.

Q

Tell this and I'm sorry, I see ted bess. You are here also I'm assuming with conifer um welcome.

F

Thank you, okay, um and so I'm going to turn this over to patricia to give us that additional detail.

R

Good morning, gentlemen, thank you for having us, I'm actually going to turn it over to betty perry, who.

R

Is the regional vice president for conifer that oversees westminster bonds apartment complex.

R

So I think she's going to start giving you a little bit of background um just about.

R

Conifer and uh specifics about the property so fatty I'll hand it over to you. Thank you.

J

Thank you patty, so my name is betty perry as um celine and patty has.

J

Described and I'm the regional manager, our regional vice president for conifer realty. I thank.

J

You for allowing us to make this presentation and kind of outline some of the benefits of partnering.

J

With private landlords and maintaining affordable housing within your community.

J

And to appeal to extend the pilot agreement, conifer realty has been developing constructing.

J

And managing high quality, affordable housing for both seniors and working families for 40 years.

J

We understood 40 years ago the importance of the ever growing need for affordable.

J

Housing in communities and we had dedicated our entire business model to the affordable housing.

J

Utilizing the federal, low-income housing tax credit program and then partnering that with state.

J

And local programs as well, the pilot agreements is part of that local programming. That sometimes is.

J

Very essential to the financing of the property. um The program requires that residents have.

J

um Incomes, less than 30 to 60 percent of the area, median income, those rents are maintained and.

J

Toward a corresponding percentage and in most cases our rents have been below the market rents.

J

um And even in in this case, we are about 9.3 percent lower than even the maximum tax credit.

J

Allowable rent at sunnybrook, um an important component of the financing and the successful.

J

Maintaining of the property is the pilot agreement. It allows us to really control our expenses.

J

And to forecast our expenses going forward because we we know exactly what our expenses are.

J

Or at least on that part of it um sunnybrook consists of a 150 apartment homes.

J

And the unit mix is 14 units each at the 30 percent and the 40 percent ami.

J

We also have 28 units at the 60 ami, but the most of the majority of our units, 94 94 units, is at.

J

The 50 ami um that really keeps our rents at 446 dollars to the maximum of 1015 for our residents.

J

Sunnybrook rarely sees vacancies, we never have anybody move away from the property for.

J

Any other reason other than they can no longer live independently or sadly, they have um ended.

J

You know they've reached the end of their life and they pass away and the unit becomes vacant.

J

um So we and the wait list is extensive, so we never have a problem filling the.

J

Units and in fact we have more people, apply on a monthly basis than we're able to house.

J

Sunnybrook is an older community and it is now starting to see or experience. Capital needs.

J

Improvements, so we are looking at substantial financial needs for the property in terms of a.

J

New roof in terms of upgrading hvac systems and water heaters and those come at a cost and we're.

J

Again, trying to maintain the affordability of the rents. um Additionally, I'm sure you experience it.

J

As well with as all businesses and employers, we have employee costs, they're escalating. We have.

J

Insurance costs that are escalating, and then we have just general operating expenses that are.

J

Also escalating, so the pilot agreement is again essential for us to be able to really plan out.

J

Our expenses make further investment in this property and maintain it within the community.

J

um As I said earlier, our rents currently are about 9.3 below even what we are permitted to charge.

J

Under the low-income housing tax credit program, we make every effort to keep our rents as low as.

J

Possible for our residents, because we understand that they are on fixed incomes and that their.

J

Their increases do not meet the expense increases, because we are committed to.

J

Maintaining sunnybrook apartments affordable. We are respectfully requesting the extension.

J

Of the pilot agreement, um we're actually requesting it to be for a 15-year extension.

J

This is just crucial in our ability to be able to maintain this property and the quality of living.

J

um Patricia patty denny is a wee. Caller has some more maybe some financial questions or.

J

Answers for you, um but we really just appeal to extending the pilot agreement so that we can make.

J

Some investment in this property and really keep it affordable for the seniors of carroll county.

R

One thing, thank you betty. One thing I would like to note is the structure of the pilot is.

R

Current the way the current structure is is that there is a annual floor of 62 000.

R

I think it's important to note that, prior to 2017, the assessment um has continually.

R

Increased uh year over year and in the prior to 2017, the tax liability uh annually.

R

If there wasn't, a pilot would have been less than what we were paying under the pilot um in.

R

Based on some information, I have back to 2012, it was roughly 26 000 per year of additional um tax.

R

Payments we were paying just due to that 62 000 floor based on compared to what the assessment was.

R

It flipped in 2017, because the assessment has continually increased the last three.

R

Years on average, it's been a roughly six to seven percent increase in the assessed value.

B

Okay, uh anything else from the conifer folks before we get into this discussion.

R

Okay, I don't have any unless there's specific questions um you know on the financials for.

R

The property or the capital, um I think that he can speak uh in more detail on.

R

Capital improvements on an aging asset.

B

Okay, the first question that sticks out to me patricia is why, 15 years, why why that length of.

B

Time what what's what's the uh you know? What what creates that time period there and the parameters.

B

Associated with 15 years to part of the regulatory agreement requires that we have what we call an.

R

Extended use period, so the tax credit program is usually for a 15-year initial period. The extended.

R

Use period actually extends extensive, extends those rents for an additional 15-year period.

B

Is there, is there ever a chance for uh readjusting that in that 15-year period, or is that locked in.

B

Then that's based on a regulatory agreement, so it's it. We are required to keep the rents.

R

Restricted for the additional extended use period, there's a regular state regulatory agreement.

B

Yeah is that what we did the last time.

R

um I'm not sure what you mean by the last time. Well, we did have a pot we're in a pilot.

B

Program now was that also 15 years or that that hasn't been that long right, we're in a.

B

We're in a different time period now, I believe, because we just set a news period. I believe.

R

Yes, right: okay, okay, well, the extended use period was for one additional year. What was the.

C

Period before that yeah, that's where that's the better question just trying to help you.

B

Out, thank you. So the initial pilot was for 15 years, which was based on the initial restricted.

R

Rent period, the extended use period is part of the regulatory agreement on the property.

R

Which is why we're requesting an additional 15-year period on the pilot.

R

The period of time, I'm sorry go ahead.

C

Are you receiving some type of tax break from any other government agencies like state.

R

No, there is no state uh benefit uh abatement uh in the state of maryland on this property. Now.

C

So the only one you're getting properties from the county then correct, correct, okay,.

S

What motivated the original agreement was this foreign construction? What was the emphasis behind.

F

This original, I believe it's you know I obviously wasn't around when the initial negotiations, but.

R

When this property was constructed, it's it's very common practice for conifer when we're.

R

Developing deals to make these these as betty, I think, mentioned these projects viable.

R

Is to approach the county appropriate county with um you know, potentially, a tax abatement.

Q

And as the as the original contract reads, the original agreement, it does.

Q

Look like it was initiated as they acquired the parcel of land.

F

So basically, it accomplished its original goal. I'm apprehensive about.

F

Extending something for a reason that doesn't match up the original reason we did it.

J

Well, if I may, if I may add, the original reason was to keep the property affordable.

J

Part of the finance packaging, when we're developing properties is using not only the.

J

Tax credit program on a federal level, but looking at local financing, state financing and typically.

J

The local financing is the pilot agreement and then the state financing might be through.

J

Additional funding through state agencies that lead to the regulatory agreement, the first 15.

J

Years is for the first 15-year compliance period. The extended use period is for the second 15 years.

J

And it becomes even more crucial to have the pilot agreement extended for the second period.

J

Because now the property is aging and we have more capital improvements that we need to do and.

J

It becomes really crucial to be able to balance our expenses and make that investment back into.

J

The property to keep it viable, um you know the 15th. The second extended use period is really.

J

Important for us to have stable financing and really look to partner with our local communities.

J

So that we can make that substantial investment, because now the second 15 years is going to be.

J

Much more substantial in investment in the property you're talking roofs, you're talking.

J

Concrete and parking lot replacements, you're talking hvac systems. These are all really.

J

Substantially costly investments in the property that we really have to be able to um to do to keep.

J

The property at a high quality, affordable housing for the seniors of carroll, county.

C

Thank you uh restricted. Rent, I'm sorry are all of the 150 units restricted, rent.

J

Yes, and and like I said earlier, 94 of those units which is the majority of the units are at a 50.

J

Percent ami, so it really is those seniors in carroll county that um fall below the 50.

J

Percent ami, um you know, or the area median income and their incomes are fixed at this point now.

F

Are these citizens having a substantial impact upon citizen services.

Q

So we are, we work very closely with many of the residents of sunnybrook. We we had them um engaged.

Q

In our housing program, as well as many of our programs through the bureau of aging disabilities,.

Q

We we've gone out to sunnybrook um and done presentations there on medicare and other pieces.

Q

Of aging programs, um so we we do. ha We do and are familiar with very uh very many of the folks that.

Q

Reside at sunnybrook, um and I do believe it still remains as a stop on our cts bus route.

Q

On the regular trail laser routes, so this is a thriving community for some of our lower income.

Q

Older adults in the county- and it does provide quite a benefit to.

Q

To our seniors, the revenue we receive from them is being returned. Basically in citizen services,.

Q

I don't know that we're receiving revenue back into citizen services, because the the.

Q

Services that we're providing to these individuals are not paid services, but.

Q

We are receiving funding through um title three dollars from the older americans act.

Q

And other funding to support the services we are providing to these citizens.

C

Are there any other restricted um income apartments in carroll, county.

J

We currently purchased um a low-income property, and just not only just in your group, I'm sorry if.

C

Any at all, it's celina any other restricted income departments in carroll, county yeah. If you want to.

C

Say it again, there are other apartment complexes that actually utilize usda funding to provide.

T

Assistance but they're not actually restricted, so this is so. This is the only one in carol. King.

C

Because, well, I was trying to get it. Are there others and are they treating them exactly? The.

C

Same way, but there are, if there are no others, and this is unique property, and this is unique to them.

C

Am I right, okay, correct yeah? I think there are others that are subsidized, but not restricted.

D

um But a few thoughts um going with uh what where commissioner boucher was going.

D

The initial pilot 15 years ago and now asking for another 15 years, I feel like we're going into.

D

uh What we say in the military mission creep, like we're, finding reasons for an additional funding.

D

For additional reasons for for this type of funding, as opposed to here's the problem, what is.

D

The cost of the problem and whether this program will be the right solution for that or not.

D

And that so I'm a little taking back on that the. uh If I can get a definition of what older adults.

D

Mean is that 62 65 and then also um what happens if you don't get this.

D

uh Program put in place: if we come out and say no, this is not the right time for us to approve.

D

The pilot, what what happens to the uh apartment, complex and those living there? Because I know.

D

You may not get subsidized where the the complex may not get any subsidies except for this, but the.

D

Individuals are getting uh subsidies, aren't they from federal and state uh opportunities.

D

You know uh because I know that question was asked as well, so I know I threw a lot.

D

At you, but that those are the thoughts that I'm kind of working myself through as.

D

As we're getting into this, but the the key one, I think, is what happens if you don't get.

D

This, so if the pilot agreement is not extended, then that means we have to look at our fiscal.

J

Budgeting and um see what we, how we're going to pay for these capital improvements and most likely.

J

It will result in substantial rent increases for the seniors, like I said, we're 9.3 below.

J

The maximum tax credit rents now so we would have to you, know substantially get up to.

J

At least the maximum tax credit to increase the revenue stream so that we can pay for these.

J

Capital improvements, I mean that's just you know that is just what's going to have to happen um for.

J

Us to be able to keep this property maintained is the dollars have to come from somewhere.

J

um You know, and with all the other expenses increasing we've been really diligent on making.

J

Sure that our rent increases on an annual basis um are far below what our expense increases are so.

J

That is, ultimately what would have to happen is we would have to look at then.

J

Increasing the rents much more substantially than we have over the past few years um for the seniors.

J

um It's it's just; it is what it is kind of thing um in terms of I, I kind of forget some of your.

J

Other questions that were like three or four in there um that you asked one of them was a minimum.

B

The age minimum out there, the age minimum, is 62 to join us. However, our average age I.

J

Want to say is much more closer to 80. with our residents. We have a lot of older residents who.

J

Have moved in and really are the fabric of that community? We even have some that are original.

J

Residents still not not as many as we had in the past, but we still have some original residents.

J

um That live there and, like I said they just don't move for any other reason other than they can no.

J

Longer live independently, have you increased rent over time over the last few years we have.

J

Implemented annual rent increases, um I don't have that specific rent to increase pattern.

J

At my fingertips, but we have made every effort to make sure that those rent increases are minimal.

J

And we try very hard to make sure that we're not.

J

Increasing the rents you know to exceed what their increases might be in their income.

F

I have to state, I just ran some numbers on what I have in the briefing paper and if you don't get.

F

This extension of the paw program, it comes out to approximately seven dollars and 10 cents a month.

F

That you'd have to raise on your tenants and rent. I don't find that to be quite substantial.

F

And I'm really curious to see what you're actually raising the rent annually in the past.

F

Anyway, so I the amount you're talking about is is pretty much nominal. I don't think it's all break.

F

Any seniors if the rent is raised and ten cent a month to compensate your loss on this another.

F

Point was made that was very good, was people are getting some sort of subsidy of some kind? I just.

F

Feel that you, as a private institution, are pushing this over on us and I don't think it's right.

J

Well, I can understand your concern because you have your constituency to work with again. I think.

J

That the partnering with private industry, to maintain affordable housing within communities.

J

Is vital um we have to be able to maintain the affordable housing to quality housing right. We.

J

Don't want affordable housing to be any less than what we would expect at a market property.

J

I will say in terms of other subsidies for our residents those only about 45 of our residents.

J

Not even maybe 45 percent get subsidies, all the others are living off of their life. Savings.

J

Or their retirement funding or their social security, not all of our residents receive.

J

You know section 8, assistance or rental assistance from other sources just to help.

T

There are a lot of grant opportunities at the state secretary holt. I had a meeting with him a.

D

Few weeks ago, regarding this- and I don't know you said you had knocked on or you were not getting.

D

State funding and I'm not sure why, um but they have uh a lot of funds and grant opportunities.

D

um I agree with commissioner bouchers that we're people are already being subsidized.

D

And now we're looking at subsidizing the business, in addition to subsidizing the individuals um when.

D

It is a nominal increase so that that's kind of where I'm leaning on this, unless swayed otherwise.

E

I I think we need to see the numbers here. You know how many, what percentage of them out of 150.

E

Or uh and what has been the rent increases on those.

E

How many at what number, uh what percentage is going up? um I, I kind of agree uh with.

E

Eric and ed on this, we need to see more than this before. I think we can approve it as a county.

B

So betty just a question for me: you started to say you were getting, was conifer is kind of for.

B

Purchasing another set of apartments in carroll, or instead of another area in cairo or not. Yes,.

J

So we do have another community that we purchased it's an it's a usda property of 29 units.

J

We refer to it as union village. We just purchased that and did.

J

A substantial renovation on that property. In addition, we are doing new construction.

J

In westminster- and that will be, I believe, 50 units of multi-family housing and again.

J

It will be restricted rents at the 50 and 60 ami. Okay does conifer have an office in carroll.

J

I don't know if our office is in cairo. We have a regional office in maryland. um That is in.

J

Colombia, that is our regional office, and then we have some satellite offices at our properties. All.

J

Scattered throughout maryland, which is where we have you know some of our supervisory staff work.

J

Out of okay, that was mainly a curiosity question on on my part that doesn't have anything to do.

B

With the decision here, um I I I noticed that that this agreement is good through june 30th of 2021.

B

So uh we've already extended this a year in order to get more information here.

B

What are we talking about timeline here, if, indeed, we did a little bit more homework to get.

B

And I I kind of suspect that that's where some of my colleagues are going here.

B

uh If, indeed, we were to get a little bit more homework accomplished.

B

What are we talking about timeline here? Is there a make or break date before the 30th of 2021? That.

B

You guys need to have this in place or is, are, are we? Are we looking at that date as the drop dead.

J

I don't know that we have a drop dead date. um We again are appealing for the extension of the.

J

Pilot, so that we can make some long-term planning and some financial projections.

J

But I don't know that we have a drop-dead date patty do you have any insight.

R

I think my only comment would be that to your point, betty on the financial side of it is.

R

um You know we, I think the effective date of the run increases. Potentially it's upon.

R

Lease renewal, but um it's it's january, one which is obviously three weeks from now.

R

um As far as the effective date and getting those rent increases.

R

For 2021- and you know, we would likely probably fairly quickly- have to come back to the table to.

R

Determine whether or not you know we want to do something different and push it to 2022 as well.

C

I have additional question: you have I'm guessing apartment complexes in other counties, maybe.

C

In other states, do you have similar programs with the other counties? Yes, we have actually.

R

Several pilot agreements with counties not only within other counties in maryland, but in the.

R

Other states that we do business in as well. Okay, I I see our comptrollers on here. uh I I I and I'm.

B

I'm sure you just didn't randomly come in here rob. uh I think we need to hear from you perhaps on.

B

A little bit more explanation here as far as your shop is concerned, rob.

U

Right just heard your discussion there about uh timing on this and I'll just share so.

U

Generally, we bill our property taxes on july 1.. When we have these kind of agreements, we.

U

Don't send an original tax bill, we adjust it then so.

U

Generally, we are applying special agreements and tax credits like this during the month of.

U

July and rebuild them around august 1st, so that's kind of the timing even into that period of time.

U

As long as the effective date was for the tax bill that began july, 1st 2021, you know we don't have a.

U

Particular deadline before then, and really even after that I mean property taxes are such that.

U

At any point, I could apply this and either refund or adjust a bill.

B

Okay, so that's internal, but but patricia you were saying from your from your point of view.

B

uh You you, you would be uh it's going to be a little bit of a challenge for you.

B

If we don't make the decision within the next three weeks, is that what I'm getting from you.

R

Well, I'm not necessarily advocating a specific deadline, but um you know, depending on the.

R

Results of you know this meeting and how it comes out. We may have to revisit.

R

um The rent increases based on um you know the results of this meeting or the outcome.

R

So there isn't our deadline, but it will, I think, certainly impact. You know how we look at the the.

R

Rent increases over the next. You know several years right, so just from my standpoint at this.

B

Point I uh I'm having a little bit of an issue here, making the decision today and.

B

Listen, uh this is no disrespect to anyone. We we, we decided to extend this and have you guys come back.

B

And give us a briefing which is we. We appreciate that. But then this little thing called covet hit.

B

And the the uh you know, the mindset that we had on getting another briefing sort of pushed things as.

B

You can imagine, and emphasis has been put on other things, so um I I'd like to from my standpoint I'd.

B

Like to have a little bit more time to do a little bit more homework uh on this to see exactly what.

B

It means before we make the decision now, I'm not suggesting that we can't even do that next week.

B

Because we've got one more session, I believe until the end of the year, but that's just my my thoughts.

B

I welcome other comments from my colleagues and I I don't think I don't think the delay it doesn't.

B

Appear to me that, even if we delay it for a week, it's going to necessarily be a restriction, but I.

B

I'd like the chance to get just a little bit, I'd like to do a little bit deeper dive with with some.

B

Some some folks before we make the decision today. That's from me uh my colleagues, I don't know I I.

E

Agree with you steve this is, uh I think we need to look in and get some numbers uh effects of this. I.

E

Mean how much does this mean per unit per year or per person? uh We need to see some statistics on it.

B

Yeah and maybe for me it's because.

B

You know in 2004 things were certainly a lot different than they are today. Maybe that's.

B

What's got that little that little light back here in the back of my head lit, uh because we all know.

B

How differently things were operating then, as opposed to today, there's so many challenges so.

B

Listen, I don't want to. I don't want you all to get the the the feeling that we're not.

B

For extending this, I just I think we owe it to ourselves and staff and.

B

And everyone to just get that deeper dive to know exactly what we're doing here before we.

B

Make that uh pull the trigger on this, so that's sort of where I am.

F

Did I hear correctly that the corporate interest is going to build additional senior.

F

Living facilities in the county, no, the the new construction is not the new construction property.

J

In carroll, county is not senior, it's multi-family.

B

Is that that the one up on extended maine is? Is that is that the complex that's currently under.

B

Under construction on extended main old, extended main street ted, do you know where.

J

That is, I think, that's the location. It's your microphone is not working.

B

Ted's got that gear problem. We all have.

B

That little gear up in the right hand, side ted.

B

It looks like a widget upper right hand, side yeah, yeah, looks looks like it.

H

Looks like his microphone is on.

J

Why don't you just text me yeah that that that's fine, I I just I'm curious, I think.

B

That's the one we're talking about here and yeah. I believe it is the one that we're talking about.

J

Since we can't share them, okay, is it your intent, then- and maybe I missed this and I'm.

B

If I'm re-asking, I apologize, there's, that's that's the property ted up on the extend.

B

Old extended main right, yes, okay, here he is okay, now yeah.

B

So that property and the union uh square or whatever you call property village, yep.

B

Union village will both of those will there be.

B

Will the requests for both of those be the same as this one? Are you going to do the same? Is it your.

B

Intent to do the pilot programs there or what I'm I'm confused as to what conifer's attempting here.

J

No we're only speaking for sunnybrook apartments at this point for the extended use.

J

We are not requesting a pilot for the other two properties. We were able to put together a finance.

J

Package without that pilot request, okay from other sources, okay, are the other two properties.

D

Looking at subsidizing the residents in those apartment complexes, so village, um the village.

J

Apart, the union village apartments are usa usda, so they get those residents get a direct subsidy.

J

um Very similar to section eight um complexes that are project based and the new construction will be.

J

A tax credit property there will be ami layers for multi-families, so it'll be for working families.

J

um So that will be rent restricted again. It'll be a 15-year initial um regulatory agreement with.

J

The 15-year extension, so it's a 30-year commitment of affordability. Okay, please I mean I'm trying to.

D

Balance: where do we subsidize? Do we subsidize the business developing a developer? That's making the.

D

Complex the apartments, the housing do we subsidize the individuals who has those responsibilities.

D

And if it's being accomplished by the individuals through different programs, um that's great if it.

D

Needs to be a combination, I think that's the most important is. Why does it you know, that's what I.

D

Want you to come back to us with is why do we need this combination approach? What are the projects.

D

The capital projects that you're talking about what is the significance of this pilot effort.

D

If you don't get it, what, like, commissioner boucher shared, what is the increase that would take place.

D

uh For the individuals, and would that then be covered by the subsidies that they're receiving.

D

From both state and federal, that's the theme of I think, or at least where I'm coming from.

J

Well again, not all our residents in sunnybrook apartments receive other subsidies, so not.

J

All our residents receive rental subsidies from other sources. um I think yeah go ahead.

Q

I was just going to step in and say um just so you're aware only around 30 individuals.

Q

In sunnybrook actually receive um resources from our housing choice, voucher program through our.

Q

Section 8 program and what what the benefit is of what um sunnybrook is offering to some of the.

Q

Citizens that do not qualify, they're, not income income eligible for our housing choice, voucher.

Q

Program, this allows them to be able to afford this housing, um and so I I did want to just make.

Q

A point that there are only about 30 individuals in there that that are participating in rh. Our.

Q

Housing choice, voucher program, yeah, the subsidy income only makes up about 12 of our revenue of.

M

Our income on the rental side: okay, okay, thanks thanks both uh celine ted for your clarification.

B

All right, what's the mindset here, do we need? I don't I don't want to.

B

I don't want to put a challenge on conifer here, let's be clear, I I know patricia. I hear your your.

B

Your uh your timeline, I understand that I don't know that another week's gonna gonna affect that.

B

uh We really only have one more session left this year, because unless we we throw another.

B

One in on it on an off thursday on a day other than thursday, uh but what I I'm suggesting at.

B

This point that we hold off and put this back on our agenda for next thursday, which is the.

B

17Th thanks chris uh the 17th and make the decision then allowing us to just get uh allowing.

B

Us to do just a little bit more groundwork here before we make this decision. Would that be.

B

To my colleagues is that does that sound, uh reasonable.

B

That's I'm getting a thumbs up from them and patricia not to to and or betty or ted, not.

B

Not to to delay this, uh what is that reasonable for you folks to allow us this extra time period.

B

To make this decision, are we good there with you guys.

R

Certainly, unless daddy said you guys, um you know, we appreciate you. Definitely you know taking a.

R

Look at this- and um you know it's appropriate to take enough time to that everybody is comfortable.

R

With the decision, okay- and I agree- okay, thank you and ted- I would assume you agree with petition.

B

Why would you not agree with patricia and betty right, yeah, okay,.

B

All right that that'll give us a chance to do just a little bit more groundwork here.

B

And we very well may be in touch with with uh with conifer, with additional questions as well.

B

uh In this week, time period in order to get to the best decision next week, so.

B

uh Celine, I think that's where we're going here, uh if you work with with our folks to.

B

See that this gets put back on our agenda next thursday uh and then we'll we'll roll from there.

Q

We will do that. Okay, I would like to see what the rents have been over the.

F

Last 15 years and how much you've increased their rents each year.

F

Because if you're coming to us telling us that, if we don't do this you're going to.

F

Substantially increase their rents, I see that it comes out to seven dollars and 10 cents.

F

I would find that extremely disingenuous of you and being opportunistic on this.

B

Okay celine: can you work and danielle? Can you work with conifer to get you you guys.

B

Have been taking notes, you're very good at this, so these questions that we've been throwing at.

B

Conifer work with them to get these answers to us prior to next thursday. Please we will do that.

B

Okay, all right, I listen patricia betty ted. I appreciate you folks being on here today and.

B

We will see you next thursday. Okay! Thank you. Thank you. Everybody all right, thanks.

B

Let's move forward here um comprehensive case management and planning services for medicaid.

B

Long-Term services and supports solicitation through march 31st, why are your title.

B

Agenda agenda titles so long celine can't they be like shorter or something I mean come on.

B

um Back to us, yes, they're, always lengthy, that that said that we have time to regroup from our.

Q

Last presentation before we start, as you read the long titles, so okay, um so as you as you noted, we.

Q

Are here um seeking approval for a three-month extension of our comprehensive case management.

Q

And supports planning services, medicaid long-term services and support solicitation.

Q

um And I am here today with gina valentine our brt from for aging disabilities and we.

Q

Are also joined by roberta lawrence, who I want to introduce all of you to this is her first.

Q

Time before the board in her new role, she is now our aging and disability services supervisor.

Q

And she has come in um and she has hit the ground running and is doing a great job. She was.

Q

Previously one of our waiver case managers over in in the program we are here before you today for.

Q

So we are excited to welcome her aboard she's, been with us since october. In this new capacity.

Q

um And so welcome roberta we call her morning, aka bobby so yeah well welcome aboard. We have.

B

Sometimes we have a little bit of an issue with people named roberta. uh Hopefully I can imagine.

B

Hopefully that will be smooth. You know here, so uh I can't have too many good robertas.

L

Around okay, there, it is see, I knew I knew you'd become chiming in there on that. One.

B

Yeah right so listen we're glad to have you on board welcome aboard and we look forward to.

B

All that you'll bring to uh to us and and the department over there. So thank you. Thank you.

B

Celine, okay, so I'm actually going to pass this over to gina to.

Q

Do the rest of the introduction of the solicitation and why we're here.

I

Thank you. Sorry.

I

So, um thank you, celine and good morning. Everyone um as celine said that the maryland department.

I

Of health has invited the bureau of aging and disabilities to extend our current solicitation.

I

Provider agreement for an additional three months from january 1st 2021 through march 31st.

I

2021., the current contract is set to expire on december 31st 2020., the the services provided.

I

Through this agreement include staff, our staff working in the home and community-based services.

I

Programs to provide case management services to individuals who are applying for and enrolled in.

I

Programs such as the community options, waiver community first choice, increased.

I

Community services and the community personal assistance services program, the focus of the.

I

Programs is to provide case management services and assist our participants with.

I

Securing services to enable them to move out of long-term care facilities and other institutions.

I

And remain safely in the community and to avoid additional long-term care placements.

I

The renewal of this is solicitation is typically for an entire calendar year, but maryland.

I

Department of aging, I'm sorry maryland, department of health they're still currently working on.

I

Updating the solicitation, so I'm confident that we'll be invited to apply again for the period of.

I

April 1st 2021 through december 31st 2021., um the home and community based services programs provide.

I

Services to quelling qualifying individuals such as personal care, life, emergency response.

I

Systems home delivered meals, environmental assessments, adaptations case management, services.

I

And nurse monitoring services- and these are all medicaid funded programs- individuals have to meet.

I

Financial and medical requirements to qualify for the program and our program currently has.

I

Four staff members, which includes one program coordinator and three case managers the program.

I

Continues to operate on the fee for service model and our staff members bill for allowable.

I

Client related activities such as arranging for and modifying their services, making phone calls.

I

Emails meetings with clients, communicating with providers and completing documentation.

I

The projected budget for this program um for this time period of january through march.

I

We, the estimated revenue, is 58 500., the county contribution, which is included and approved in.

I

Our fiscal 2021 budget is 64., I'm sorry 5 500 for a total of 64 000. So I'm gonna pass to bobby.

I

To share some additional information about the program and some stats related to the program.

V

Yes, thank you. Typically, we have a cap of clients at 148, but currently we are serving 151 clients.

V

And we are anticipating that we will increase that cap uh throughout the next three months.

V

Through covid, because we are at the point, you know restricted from a lot of face-to-face visits.

V

So that being said, we're keeping busy, we are making lots of phone calls lots of when possible.

V

Virtual, so we are one of the only support planning agencies that typically does increase its cap, so.

V

That is going to happen. We typically average about 175 clients per year, give or take so.

V

That's kind of where we are right now, with serving clients very active with clients coming off the.

V

Waiver registry that seems to be working, so we are really getting a lot of feedback from that level.

V

One screen when people are at high priority and we are trying to get them assigned to us.

V

So we can assist them in that process and get the waiver services.

V

I think that kind of sums up gina did I miss anything? No, no. You didn't. um You know. I just like.

I

To also add that we work um in great partnership with the health department for this program.

I

And um that's that's part of the required process. There's assessments that clients have.

I

To have in order to come into the program and also have the redetermination for the program.

I

So but I think that covers everything so we'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

D

Your expectation is, after march, that it will go for an entire year correct.

I

Typically, yes, that's correct. It typically runs the solicitation on an entire calendar year.

I

um And so again maryland department of aging or maryland department of health. I'm sorry.

I

They are working on the solicitation um to extend then beyond march 31st and we've.

I

Had this contract with them for a number of years, and we have um our contribution.

D

Is within our budget correct for that entire year? That is correct. That's within in our approved.

I

Fiscal 2021 budget and debbie, if you want to jump in I'm sorry, yes, it is in the budget for for.

W

2021 the amount that we're we have on the green paper, yeah. Okay, I don't have anything else, I'll.

D

Make promotion that the board of commissioners approved 2020, comprehensive case management and.

D

Supports planning, solicitation extension and acceptance of the funding wow.

C

Second, all right got a motion in second any other questions. All those in favor.

B

Unanimously approved, thank you, ladies very much.

B

And again, welcome aboard roberta. Thank you have a great day. Thank you. Thank you.

B

All right by the way, uh stay tuned for uh the um fundraising opportunity that chris swam is going.

B

To do he's, making t-shirts that says, you're, muted on the back and we're going to sell them and make.

B

Huge amounts of dollars and fix our budget next year. Gentlemen boom I'll suggest that in the.

A

Meeting on monday, well, the front should say check your gear wheel and the factory said: you're, muted,.

B

All right uh zoning text, amendment for community solar engine engine energy, generating systems.

B

Tom double this good morning, good morning, commissioners.

W

I'm joined today by ms brenda denny, our special projects coordinator and I believe.

W

Laura mathias will be joining us also. The bureau chief of.

W

Development review, if you recall september 3rd, we gave a briefing to the board of commissioners.

W

Where we presented a conceptual proposal to move forward with the text, amendment related to limited.

W

Development of community solar associated with remaining portions in the uh agricultural zone.

W

uh We indicated that staff would be interacting with various groups and with the proposal and then.

W

With an ultimate goal of going to the planning zoning commission for their review and comment.

W

We did uh acquire your concurrence at that point in time to move forward since that time, um we.

W

Have interacted with numerous groups and as a result of that process and the result of what.

W

We did we provided you at that september third meeting, which was an assurance that if we did.

W

Find any significant changes to the proposal we would return to you uh today. We're here.

W

To discuss a change in direction related to the parcel size, the remaining portions.

W

So what we ultimately hope to gain today is your concurrence to proceed forward with a change in.

W

That and at this point in time, I want to turn it over to to brenda and and laura uh because.

W

Those are the two individuals, along with mr boyd jay boyd, who interacted with these groups and and.

W

Got the feedback we did, which is resulting in our returning to you for an update, so brenda.

X

Good morning, commissioners, I'm hoping I can get these slides to advance here so.

X

It's not advancing trying to use your use your wheel on your mouse.

X

It's not working there. We go all right. So, as tom had mentioned, you had previously asked us to.

X

Take the these initial concepts out to a couple of the local interest groups.

X

The environmental advisory council and then some of the local agricultural groups and.

X

And that's what we did and, as you know, the information is all available on.

X

A web page that we have the community solar zoning text, amendment page so we've also been.

X

Getting comments and feedback from solar developers in the industry as well.

X

So, basically, overall, the feedback from the ag groups has been that they don't want to see any.

X

Solar in the ag district anywhere at all, however, if it had to be in the agricultural district.

X

Then they were suggesting that they would be more likely to support if larger remaining portions.

X

Were used as as opposed to the smaller remaining portions and then.

X

Have a permanent easement placed on the remaining land in the on that larger.

X

Remaining portion instead, as far as the solar developers and industry, goes, they the feedback.

X

From them was that they didn't feel that the 5 to 20, acre uh parcels were suitable because.

X

It didn't give them enough flexibility for uh siting one. You know suitably on a parcel.

X

Wrong direction, so what we uh are here today to suggest is we currently have it's terms of.

X

Location criteria. The proposal originally was to allow community solar on remaining portions.

X

That are between five and twenty acres and then have even placed on the parcel after the solar.

X

Facility is removed so based on the feedback. What we're proposing is changing that location.

X

Criteria two remaining portions that are over 20 acres and then have a set, a maximum area for the.

X

Solar facilities of 20 acres and then require a permanent easement, be donated on the remaining.

X

Piece of that remaining portion, so you would have a larger area that would be placed under easement.

X

So if you look at the original proposal and then this you know revised concept that we're proposing.

X

The original proposal had 342 parcels, and that was you know just almost 3 600 acres, that.

X

Represented in those 342 parcels, the revised concept would be.

X

Include 362 parcels so not very many different total number of parcels, but.

X

The acreage, because they are larger parcels, it would be 19 000 acres that would be potentially.

X

Impacted by the proposal, and so if you looked at a maximum of 20 acres per remaining portion.

X

You would have a maximum of just over 7 000 acres that could be developed for solar with.

X

The resulting almost 12 000 acres that would be put into permanent preservation with easement now.

X

You know I do have to point out that this would be maximum these parcels, even if they're eligible.

X

Aren't necessarily suitable for solar development, but so there would be a whole lot less than.

X

That number that you're, seeing there, that would probably actually be placed in to solar use or.

X

An easement because of the suitability based on what the solar developers look for.

C

I have a question for you out of the potential acreage. What is the uh number of acres that are.

C

Close enough to the I think, it's a phase three line. It has to be close within half mile to.

C

The acreage for it actually to about to solar- let's see um that is over 14 000 of those acres.

C

Is there 14 000 acres within its how come we only got 7 240 potential.

X

Well, the the 7 000 potential are, if you took.

X

On all 365, if you took 20 acres out of them and put them in the summer, it would be roughly that.

X

Amount, so if you reduce the number of parcels that are that 19 000 acres by the amount 10 to 14.

X

You know it corresponds to the number of parcels that that are actually there in that buffer.

E

Okay, does this still have the 2 megawatt.

E

Restriction on it: yes, it would that that's currently state law. So, no matter what.

X

Unless the state law changed, we would have that two megawatt limit.

C

Which the two and a two megawatt limit? Actually, um I think it's.

C

uh Five acres per megawatt. Am I correcting that? Basically, this is what we're looking at.

X

That's roughly accurate for the actual solar panels right. So what can we include? The original.

C

I say why couldn't we include the original concept, with the revised concept put both of them forward.

C

Because then you're, I'm just saying we have more acres. That would be possible. The original.

C

Concept seemed good to begin with. I like this, the second concept as well. Why can't we just go with.

C

The both of those concepts we certainly could commit sleep, commissioner you're talking about.

W

Using acres that are five and greater than so, there really would be. You could use any remaining.

W

Portions is basically what you're saying yeah I mean it's up to the the person who owns the land.

C

Whether they actually want to do this or not, but why not make it available to anything because five.

C

Acres or larger, because five acres would give you one megawatt and the most you could do in maryland.

C

Right now would be two anyway and with all the restrictions it can't be. Con can't be more than.

C

Two, it can't be continuous, can't be on joining properties and all that stuff is it's not like.

C

You're gonna have solar fields everywhere, because maryland's already put those restrictions in.

W

Right, I think what brenda was going on. You know the five acres I mean. That's actually the panel.

W

Size, but by the time they did all the buffering and did everything else. It's going to be greater.

W

Than the five acres that they actually would be putting into the solar earth like if they brought.

W

In a site plan, it's going to be greater than the five acres. You know that they're going to actually.

W

Utilize for solar development, but we certainly could do that. I think the main thing we wanted.

W

To bring to you today was expanding it basically to just about all the remaining portions.

W

And we got feedback from both sides: the ag sector and the solar industry- that that would be possibly.

W

The preferred uh choice of both of those entities actually for somewhat different reasons, though.

E

I I was uh at a lot of the meetings when this was brought up uh and the um the concerns are.

E

You know they're afraid this is gonna, be a segway into huge mega solar farms and on large acreages.

E

And uh you know we have to make sure I'm not opposed to this. This sounds uh pretty good. I.

E

Wasn't opposed to the other one but um they're really concerned. This is kind of a segue into.

E

Boom now a thousand acre farms put together out here or taking uh productive ground out of.

E

uh Production for uh mega farms such as, I think, it's little town area as a issue anyway,.

E

um That's one area number two is the concern that people do not understand. You know uh and brenda no.

E

No offense here, but you know it's ideal that you put uh solar panels in. How do you maintain.

E

The ground under afterwards and people are talking about um you- know, they're, going to put pollinators.

E

In and all these other things in reality, they turn into one uh weedy mess uh with invasive.

E

Trees and everything in about three years- and uh I think our extension agent even said- and I get the.

E

Calls what do I do with this? How do I uh get this under control again and there's not an easy way to.

E

Do that very expensive proposition, so when you do this, I think restrictions or restrictions.

E

Recommendations have to go with it that you know: control of uh noxious weeds and uh um all kinds.

E

Of things come in russian olive and all these uh overbearing uh fast growing plants come in and.

E

Make a mess out of this rather than uh a good idea, and you know people talk about grazing and things.

E

Like that here again can be done, but it has to be handled and people have to work at it. You can't.

E

Put the panels in and forget about them there have to be, um I guess, some kind of recommendations that.

E

Go along with this uh with it, I think, would make it more palatable to the agricultural community.

E

Well, commissioner, to address your issue, this is just like any other commercial development. I want.

W

You all to consider this to be this is commercial development, so they're going to generate a site.

W

Plan they're going to have requirements that they have to meet, and so what will happen and.

W

I I think, I'd like to make this clear. This is a great opportunity. Thank you, commissioner. Weaver.

W

uh There's going to be work that the county is going to have to do to enforce this commercial.

W

Site plan just like we would any other- and in this case, with the uh the amount of open space and the.

W

Weed issue and the maintenance of all that that you're talking about commissioner, you know those.

W

Issues uh if we make them part of the site plan requirements, that's that is what we're proposing.

W

They will become enforcement issues that will most likely be handled by our zoning office.

W

So I don't want to, I don't want to not, or I would be remiss if I did not say that this.

W

By undertaking this effort there will be, you know up, there will be work that we have to do.

W

Post installation of these to make sure that they are complying with with these requirements that.

W

That we place there, so that is one one item. When you move into this realm that the county will have.

W

Enforcement uh and oversight responsibilities that we will be you know, tied to with these facilities.

C

I'd like to add that the way the law is written in maryland,.

C

To address your first concern, commissioner weber, you can't have over two megawatts continuous.

C

On these fields, so that would be 10 acres and you can't have 10 acres on my field.

C

If it's right next to your field, can't be done that way, that's the way law is written.

C

In maryland, right now so you're not going to have 100 acres or whatever acre farms, because.

C

The way the law is written it you can't do it in maryland, so that takes that fear away.

C

Unless the you know, people down at least want to change the law right now, I don't think.

C

There's any appetite to do that. I would like to see this go from to take both concepts and.

C

Put them together and move forward with that. That's what way I would like to see it move.

F

I like this state, I think the push to expand solar county is from a corporate interest outside of.

F

Our boundaries- and we have to ask ourselves, is the benefit that we gain from the solar energy.

F

Worth the potential negative impact, it's all have upon our number one industry in our county that.

F

We're known for and that's agriculture, we have to assess whether this is truly worth the expansion.

F

To offset and give a negative impact upon our ag business and that's the question we have to answer.

C

No one has to accept this on their property. Each individual property owner will have the.

C

Option of saying yes or no- and I also remind everyone that the state of maryland.

C

Is actually pushing to move solar forward having more solar available, and I, from the the last.

C

Mako land uh um committee subconference call I was on- they were talking about.

C

Keep in mind that if we don't that, if the individual counties don't.

C

Have places for solar to go, the state will come in and tell you where, where it should go. So I think.

C

It helps us out, so we have control over this. If we do this kind of stuff on on our own yeah.

D

Commissioner, fraser that's a huge point and for the last two years, that's exactly what I've been.

D

Pushing was, I do not want the state to come in and tell us how to do it, and let's tell our own story.

D

And come up with ideas of where solar makes sense and where it doesn't make sense. So absolutely I.

D

Brenda is that that last line, you know the parcels are eligible, but not necessarily suitable. Do you.

D

Have a slide that shows what is suitable in the county so because, if we look at it in this grand.

D

Scheme it could be pretty ugly, but if we look at actually what is suitable, the proximity uh to.

D

Where solar can be put in plus the limitations of of uh size of water, solar um of what solar can be.

D

That you know 10 acres, I mean, I think it would be much easier for us to see and understand and make.

D

The a better decision uh on I mean I don't know if you have a slide like that or not no, unfortunately,.

X

We're not able to put together something like that. We did have a map on the original concept.

X

That showed the corridors where we think phase three distribution lines might be the utility.

X

Companies won't provide that information, so we use department of natural resources, information from.

X

Their smart, citing online tool then yeah there that makes sense. Go ahead. I'm sorry so that that.

X

Did cover a good portion of the county when you created those one and two mile buffers from the.

X

Three phase distribution lines, but then the other suitability factors are that the solar.

X

Developers need to look at aren't things that we can typically look at. So for one thing, the.

X

Capacity on the actual distribution line, not only does the distribution line have to be there. You.

X

Know close by, but it also has to have capacity to handle the additional energy that put into it.

X

And um from my understanding with the size of that lines, typically are we they would only hold.

X

Maybe a a few additional solar facilities at two megawatts each and some of them, such as.

X

In the eldersburg area are actually already full so that that's one thing and that's not.

X

Something that we can map, because we don't have that information and it would not be provided.

X

To us and then there's individual site restraints too, for example, you know the steep slopes, the the.

X

Direction that the sun is, you know, environmental constraints, and these are all things that.

X

Solar developers have to look at on an individual basis when they first look at a property. So it's.

X

Some of these additional suitability- things are not things that that we can determine in that.

D

Now I understand some I mean, but, like you shared, some of the overlays are available.

D

And some are readily available some you know we have to kind of.

D

You know ask for and get more details, but whatever overlays we do have available if we can put them.

D

On top of each other, we'll then determine at least get to a closer understanding of what is.

D

The suitability of properties that we're talking about um when it comes to uh the.

D

Ag parcels for solar, so that's kind of what I'm thinking so okay, but at the very least we I I.

E

I agree with you and dennis on this, where we need to uh uh go, but I I want to do one.

E

uh You know, as we move into this and uh tom if you get to take it to the planning and zoning.

E

I think you need some representation from the ag community and when this is discussed,.

E

Right now, planning zoning really doesn't have any agricultural representation on it, and I think you.

E

Need to have their input into this as what I heard from these various groups, as you discussed, it.

E

So they have a total understanding of what we're talking about at this point ed, you agree with that.

D

Yeah, absolutely I mean it can hurt to develop a task force and bringing in the ag commission.

D

Or folks, representation to uh you know have a conversation with the planning commission.

D

Yeah yeah, I think that would- uh and I agree we have to set our own standards here and.

E

uh Plan where this is going to go, I firmly. I believe that I would like to add that I'm.

C

Talking to people in the industry, because I've had a few uh phone calls and conference calls and.

C

With some people that are interested in developing community solar and have developed in other places,.

C

That the limitation is much more than what we're putting out there, because they're telling me that.

C

They're, looking at uh only half mile to a mile between the three away from a three-phase line.

C

I've actually showed a free phase. Three phase line is myself, but that's what they're telling me.

C

Additionally, they're only they would only be interested in putting one additional.

C

um Commute or one community solar project onto a three-phase line so.

C

If the three-phase line runs, I don't know how long, but there's only be one.

C

Additional solar um two megawatts going on to that line because of the capacity for.

C

The lines so they're telling me that it is very restricted where how many can go in carroll, county.

C

It's not we're not going to be overrun with this, but I do think they should have the opportunity.

C

To put them in where they can put them in, with all the restrictions that are out there.

O

Okay, just a couple quick comments from me: I don't want to get too many cooks in the.

B

Kitchen here with this, uh I think brenda's already done a good bit of work with the ag.

B

Community, I don't want to see 18 people get on a phone call with planning and zoning.

B

I think brenda if you can just pull in one or two folks from the ag. I just that the longer we delay.

B

This, the more the state's going to be ready to come in here and tell us where to put this so.

B

I I just don't want to create another group of people that have to work on something and then.

B

Give a report to planning and zoning because it appears to me that brenda you've already.

B

Done that work, I'm not disagreeing with you dick that we need representation there. They.

B

Can certainly be in on the call, but I don't think we need to create another group of people.

B

If we're, if, if we are actively getting their input, um so I I agree with you dennis, I think we should.

B

Put the the original back in place too, the the and put both of those and move them forward, um because.

B

You you, the most important part part of this whole discussion was what you brought up dennis.

B

And that is, if we don't do it they're going to I'd rather us do it than them them being the state any.

B

Anything else, tom, no, sir, that that's we certainly can do that and we'll be moving forward. We just.

W

Wanted to make sure that we brought this, because this is, you know, a change in what we we have.

W

Presented the pretty significant change in the potential equal acres, the eligible acres. We want.

W

To make sure it's clear with you before we move forward, but we're certainly ready to move forward.

B

Okay, um dennis it would be appropriate that you make this.

B

I'll make the most of the board of county commissioners direct staff to.

C

Proceed to planning zoning commission with both these options combined.

B

And I'll second- and this is going to take some time to be clear-.

B

This isn't going to happen next week and this isn't going to create solar panels in every.

B

10 feet on our agricultural properties either. That's the other thing to remember here, as you.

B

Said dennis, this is going to be very limited, based upon the parameters that are already in place, so.

B

And I just don't want folks to get the idea that we're throwing up huge.

B

Solar panel displays everywhere so, okay, any other discussion on this. All those in favor.

B

One two: three: a post: okay, that's four to one moving forward all right! Thank you. Thank you.

B

Okay uh tom's still here, because the next agenda item is uh approving the 2020.

B

Financial assurance plan, based on the public hearing we had last week, tom yeah.

W

That's correct, commissioner, we're back before you. After a week, uh chris hein is.

W

Joining me here today, our bureau chief of resource management and just as a kind of summary, we did an.

W

Introduction presentation to the board of county commissioners on this topic on november 19th.

W

uh All that information, the financial assurance plan and uh the presentation were all placed out.

W

On the county's website on the 19th, the public hearing for this was held on december 3rd 2020.

W

And we have not to date uh gotten any comments or any feedback on the financial assurance plan.

W

From the public so today we're here uh to request your approval mission to submit to uh the maryland.

W

Department of environment and answer any questions you may have in your deliberations on this issue.

C

I think we've we've gone over this a bit. This is not our first time on this one, so I'm going.

C

To make the motion the board of commissioners approved 2020, fap and direct staff to submit it.

C

To the mde, have we got these letters right, yep all right. I've got a motion and second to fap the mde.

F

That don't sound right! Well, okay, whatever I was very careful. Okay.

B

All right anything additional on this one, all those in favor.

B

Unanimously approved, thank you for your work on that tom chris and staff. Yes, commissioners,.

W

I could just take I thank you very much and I'd like to take just one minute.

W

We really need to send out a big thank you to a big.

W

Assistance and cooperation for the departments of management and budget and the controller's.

W

Office, they were critical in in what we prepare here. We cannot do this alone.

W

There's no doubt about that. It's just too complicated with the numbers and also.

W

We want to send out a big thank you to them and for their cooperation through this whole process.

B

All right thanks tom thanks chris all right next on our agenda is uh grant application.

B

And acceptance of the of an award for the brynwood stream restoration, tom, yes, commissioners, this is a.

W

A restoration project, that's related to our mpds program. It's located uh in the johnsville road.

W

Grimwood hills, carroll square region of eldersburg- uh this has been an ongoing uh problem in that.

W

Area is related to drainage, both um on common area and through a lot of people's properties.

W

And the runoff and the drainage is associated with with a lot of carroll.

W

County and the roads and all so today, we're here to request your uh permission to submit.

W

A grant and I'll let chris talk a little bit more about some of the details of that grant.

S

Sure, yes, good morning, so um this is a cooperative project between the bureau of resource management.

S

And the department of public works, you may remember back in march, you awarded a design.

S

Contract to century engineering in the amount of 200 000 to design the project, the design has.

S

Been going very well, we have taken the preliminary design several of the citizens in the area and met.

S

With them to talk about it and they've all been very receptive and very happy about the direction.

S

We're going so at this point we have a good engineer's estimate for the cost of construction.

S

And that estimate is 1.6 million. So what we're here to ask you today is permission to request 50.

S

Of the construction estimate for um from the department of natural resources.

D

So why do you have 1.8 million on the.

D

Total cost, with the county match of 1 million. Are we asking for 800 000 or are you asking for 800.

D

000 from us or for a million so we're asking 800. uh So what we've included is the design um cost as.

S

Part of the county match, so the construction estimate is 1.6, plus the 200 000 that we've.

S

Already encumbered is the 1.8 and then we're asking for 50 of the construction.

D

Got it I'll move the border commissioner's approved to submit submittal of the grant.

D

Application and acceptance award to the department of natural resources.

D

Chesapeake and coastal grants gateway.

B

Second, okay got a motion. Second, on this project, any chance we can get more money out of the.

B

Dnr chesapeake and coastal grant gateway people chris. Well so we've uh we've done.

S

A lot of work with dnr um with these grants, we've received a lot of money over the years.

S

And what we've found is that if we ask for more than 50 percent our chances of receiving the.

S

Grant decrease substantially, so this is kind of the sweet spot as the it was a 50 match. It.

S

Shows the county's commitment to the project. Okay, I have a question that before we voted, that's okay.

C

um On your in a briefing paper says, this is going to help with over land flow in various locations.

C

Are? Does that mean that? Because the stream overflows it goes.

C

Is that what we're talking about there? Are we talking about water getting down to the stream.

S

We're talking about water getting to the stream, so this that's the component, that is the dpw.

S

Component is the are the drainage issues, so this project addresses both drainage issues.

S

And the stream restoration, and just if it could be quick if it's possible, how are we addressing the.

C

Drainage issues and I'm not sure I don't unders, I don't have an understanding of that sure by we by.

S

Adding in closed storm drain systems, so adding in inlets and storm drain pipes to convey the water.

S

To the stream and get it off people's properties, gotcha all right makes perfect sense. Thank you.

F

Gentlemen, you haven't have a map or a view of any sort that you could put this up. So I could.

F

Conceptualize, where it's at and where does where's feet, I'm sure hold on just a second.

S

There we go is it is that displaying free wall.

B

Yes, so um I apologize it's very small on my screen, so I'd um um it's tough for me to see, but.

S

To the the south east portion of the of the map, there's some red lines, those indicate the.

S

Proposed storm drains those storm drains then tie into the circled green area, which is the.

S

Stream, restoration portion and johnsville road is located in the southeast corner of the of the map.

W

And that's right across minister from ellersburg elementary's right across the road there from.

W

Right adjacent to johnsville road, colonel, if you go outside on your deck and wave, I think.

B

We could see you in this map, not quite I'm on the south side of 26.. This is on the north side,.

D

Of 26th johnsville, um yes, it's right across from eldersburg elementary.

F

Thank you that was most helpful sure happy to do so.

B

All right, I got a motion. Did I get a second? Yes yep? I got a second any.

B

Other comments or questions on this project, all those in favor.

B

Unanimous. Thank you on that. One we'll look forward all right uh next up is.

B

uh The grant application and acceptance for uh riparian buffer plantings, tom.

W

Yeah commissioners, this is uh this is a program that we have been involved in for quite a number.

W

Of years and been extremely successful at getting money- uh and our folks are just top of the line.

W

At getting this done uh with planting trees, on adjacent to streams and in wetland areas and.

W

Also I'll, let chris explain to you, but again this is one uh that we've been extremely successful in.

W

Getting money and getting the trees and all planted getting the money distributed also.

W

Chris sure, so um this is the same grant um program that we just talked about.

S

But in this case it would be for tree plantings and I have a map showing the area that we're.

S

Talking about this is adjacent to the carroll commerce center. This is an area that is currently.

S

Being maintained by the bureau of facilities- and we have been talking with them and they're very.

S

Supportive of planting trees here, because in the long term, this will reduce the maintenance cost.

S

um In in the in that area, so we're looking at approximately five acres of trees to be planted.

S

And um the forty two thousand dollar request grant request would cover the installation.

S

And first year of maintenance and then the county match that we are indicating is for.

S

Years, two through ten uh maintenance to get the trees established and at that point the tree.

S

Should be well established and maintenance costs should routine maintenance costs will go away.

B

Okay, questions for chris or tom. Is this part of the part process in that area?.

E

uh Isn't there a cut through or don't we have a area that the park is using near this.

S

Yes, so there um recreation of park constructed a trail from the westminster community pond into.

S

The autumn ridge subdivision, and so the this planting would be on either side of that trail.

W

Chris, can you run your cursor on the trailer yeah? Can you see my cursor? Yes? Yes, yes, okay! So here's.

S

The westminster community pond and then this is the trail that runs towards the commerce center.

S

And then, through the uh the property we're talking about and into the autumn ridge subdivision and so.

S

The planting would be in the green areas, we would not be planting where the trail is and we would.

S

Not be planting where the sanitary sewer easements are for the sewer lines that run through this area.

S

And if you're wondering about this spot over here, that's off by itself.

S

This is what we call the lowry pond. This is an old farm pond that provided a small amount of.

S

Storm water management that pond is currently being filled because it is no longer needed.

S

Due to the willow pond, construction work we're currently doing so after we're done filling.

S

It what we would propose to do is plant trees on it and let it go back to natural.

F

I thought that's where commissioner williams was going to put my body.

C

I need a deeper area, yeah yeah, let me know before you get it completely filled with it. Chris.

O

All right how many districts yeah I'll make the most of the board of county.

C

Commissioners approve this middle of the grant, application and accept acceptance of the award of department, natural resources, chesapeake and coastal branch gateway.

E

Second, all right, any other questions on this one, all those in favor.

B

And that's unanimous. Thank you very much, mrs thank you. So much for your time today.

B

Good, both very good projects. Thank you guys. All right next on the agenda is storm. Water.

B

Drainage system pipe repair rehab at the village green subdivision, and I see.

B

Jim cook and jeff casting gray, who disappeared jim. You got this one. It's on you! Yes, sir.

Y

Yes, sir, the uh the department of public works bureau of roads operations is seeking approval to.

Y

Use the term contract to complete and repair the rehabilitation of a failing storm water, drainage.

Y

System in village, green subdivision, a portion of this system was replaced in october of this year.

Y

Using the traditional method because of the deteriorating beyond the parameters of repair.

Y

Now that the remainder of the system is needs to be repaired, is approximately.

Y

1673.39 feet, ranging in diameter of 15 to 30 inches. We will be repairing and rehabilitating.

Y

Using the cure in place, fiberglass lining process rather than a traditional replacement.

Y

Method, the quote was submitted by pleasant construction. Inc for this project is 180 332.50.

Y

Pleasant construction inc has a term contractor which was competitively bid and awarded.

Y

In place with the county and funding for this, work is available.

Y

No permits are required for this work and all roads will remain open to traffic during.

Y

Construction activity reduced to a single lane using flagger operations when needed.

Y

And returning to two-way traffic during the non-working overnight and weekend periods.

Y

The estimated time to complete this project is 12 to 14 working days, weather permitting.

B

All right questions for jim on this one. Everybody know where this is. I know whose.

F

District is this in; he knows it is commissioner poche's district.

F

All right, I moved at the board of commissioners authorized department of public works.

F

To utilize the term contract with pleasant's construction inc for 180 332.50 cents to.

F

Repair rehabilitate the failing, stormwater drainage system and village green subdivision.

C

Second, okay got a motion in a second any other questions on favor.

M

Am I getting to wear this.

C

We'll take you through it, yeah yeah is that before we bury you over behind the pond or after I don't.

B

Know all right! Thank you. Thank you, commissioner. Thanks jim appreciate it. Yes, sir thanks for being.

B

On kathy good to see you bye all right, uh bixler, church, road, culvert replacement um and there.

B

Is our bureau chief in engineering chris good morning good morning? I think mike's gonna start.

Z

Don't worry about me sorry, mike good morning, mike.

Z

Morning, yeah we'd uh like to request your approval for the.

Z

Contract for the construction of bixler church culvert replacement uh to kibbler construction.

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The amount of 482 722.25 county went out the bid and received six bids and kibbler was the lowest.

B

Okay, chris, thank you. um Bixler's church structure was built in 1973.

AA

And based on federal highways, current structural rating criteria.

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It was rated in august to be in serious condition. uh It's been on our annual inspection.

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Series for several years and it's currently posted with weight, limit restrictions.

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Over the last several years, we've done several mitigation measures tried to extend the life.

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Of the structure, the current structure exists consists of two corrugated steel pipe arches.

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And will be replaced with two cell precast box culvert structure in order to complete.

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This work, the roadway, will be closed to all traffic and deep toward using adjacent roadways.

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Kibbler construction has completed our two most recent structure replacements. Most recent one.

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Being hollingsworth road and they've indicated that they're ready to start work on this project.

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This structure is eligible for federal aid.

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With the county being responsible for 20 percent of the cost of the replacement, any questions.

B

Where is this on bixle church exactly chris.

B

How cool? No it's just north of 496 just up from the church! Oh it's on that end of it. Okay,.

B

Okay, we were, we were waiting for the 496 project to be done before we close this roadway.

C

Okay, you said they're ready to start construction now. Does that mean like.

C

In the winter they're going to do this or they're waiting for spring.

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We have a stream restrictions of march to may so they'd like to get in uh before then.

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And get the stream uh relocated, so they can work during that closure time. Okay,.

B

Okay, uh I'll move that we award the contract for the culvert replacement.

B

uh On bixter church over big pike creek to kibler in the amount of 482, 722 and 25 cents. Second,.

B

Okay out of motion in three seconds, all those in favor, I think it's gonna pass. I think it's.

B

Gonna pass, I think, yep it did unanimous. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. Okay! That's not bad.

B

We regrouped and got to the end of our agenda pretty decent time uh open admin. Well, let's.

B

Do the closed minutes? First, we everybody got a copy of the summary of the closed minutes.

B

From the december 3rd uh date and I'll need a motion to accept those closed minutes.

E

I moved that we accept the minutes from closed from that date.

E

Second december 4th december 3rd 3rd december third,.

B

Okay: okay; okay, thanks thanks for thanks for repairing your motion, commissioner, uh I've got.

B

A motion in a second uh to accept these minutes. All those in favor, okay, got that all right uh do.

B

I have before I go into open admin or um agendas. Do we have any public comment chris? Yes, I believe.

A

We have a caller on the line. Can you please speak up and name yourself give us your name.

A

Call her on the line otherwise known as caller number two.

A

I guess they're just joining us to listen in okay, all right uh last call for that.

B

Can you say last call for a caller? I guess you can last call for the caller.

B

All right hearing nothing. uh What do we have for open admin? Any anyone have anything for open admin.

B

All right, you're hearing nothing at this point: let's roll down through the agendas, uh real, quick.

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uh The week of december, the 14th uh monday, the 14th commissioner frazier.

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Will be speaking to cub scouts at westminster, united methodist church, that's at 7, 00 pm.

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Tuesday, the 15th planning and zoning 9 a.m. Virtually commissioner rostein 1 pm.

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Department of planning work session. We have that's all of us next tuesday,.

B

Wednesday, the 16th is the carroll community college board of trustees meeting that's at.

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4 pm virtually commissioner weber, thursday, the 17th we go into open session. Our typical coveted.

B

Talk, we are getting a comprehensive annual financial report from comptroller's office.

B

Behavioral health, advisory council and senior opioid policy group uh discussion and that's all.

B

That we have right now, but we already added an agenda item from today, so that will be changing.

B

uh At on friday, the 18th it is the uh annual uh mako business meeting and the installation of.

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Officers, uh commissioners, uh myself and commissioner ross team will be attending.

B

That's at 10 a.m. That is like the culmination of the winter conference that we typically would be.

B

At cambridge, in all those beautiful christmas decorations and fine food at that facility, so.

B

Light up your christmas tree at home and join us 10 a.m.

B

For the installation of officers where I'm honored to be put back on the board of directors again,.

B

For the maryland association of counties saturday, the 19th we have wreaths across america.

B

And we already have several folks listed as to where we're going to be gone. I'm going to be at.

B

Pleasant valley, uh ed, uh mr rostein, is going to be at the meadow branch church of the brethren.

B

uh Commissioner, boucher is going to be at st paul's. Lutheran cemetery in union bridge.

B

Commissioner weaver at western chapel uh deer park is not having their ceremony.

E

This year, but I will be at western chapel that day, okay and mr frazier will be bouncing about.

B

And commissioner framer, commissioner frazier does have the podcast for that week. All right.

B

The week of december 21st, absolutely nothing now department of planning work session. We have that.

B

Scheduled for the 22nd at 1pm uh we'll be doing that and then uh obviously that's a.

B

Week, that is typically not a whole lot going on uh due to the fact that, on thursday and friday.

B

Thursday and friday we will be closed uh for the uh holidays and commissioner boucher will be.

B

Doing his grinch podcast that week, that is a good idea. Okay,.

B

That's all that we have for agendas uh anything for open admin. Last call on.

B

That roberta, do you have anything before and roberta is shaking her head. No, so with that.

L

Sorry, what very important each year this at the end of the year, you need to appoint.

L

The tax collector for the next year, um so it's been rob burke for a long time. So, if you like.

L

To reappoint rob burke as our tax collector, so he can do your work for you in calendar year, 21.

D

Make the motion to reappoint rob burke as tax collector for 2021? Second, all right.

B

Motion second, to make rob burke the tax collector. It seems like there should be a better title than.

B

Because that's such a sort of a negative term- but it doesn't seem like a popular job yeah the.

D

Good looking tax collector how's that okay, that helps in some states, they're elected officials.

B

Yeah right, okay, all right all those in favor, that's unanimous! Congratulations rob berg.

L

Yeah thanks. That was it for me. Okay, all right, uh we will be uh we're also gonna be seeing some.

B

Changes here and we'll discuss those at next week's uh in next week's open session as well.

B

As to where what the responsibilities will be for the five of us moving into 2021 uh with.

B

That said, I need an emotion to go into closed for board and commission appointments so moved.

B

Okay, I'll second it, since nobody else wants it wait a second I mean you are so excited.

B

About boards and commissions, I mean come on: no, no, no! You don't need to close for.

L

Boards and commissions you just need to reset: oh, we don't need to do that. No okay.

L

It's just part of administrative stuff.

L

Okay, all right is that. Why is that? Why tim suddenly appeared.

B

Okay, every good idea to have your attorneys swoop in like that yeah. That's all! That's always yeah.

B

Okay, you know, I, I don't think I've ever gotten that right in the two years that I've been.

B

Good luck to uh ed good luck, trying to get that right! I'm sure you'll get it right.

B

Out of the gate, man, so there you go all right, then I guess I need a motion to adjourn right.

D

Motion to adjourn.

B

All right got a motion and second, to adjourn uh a reminder to everyone. We will see you next thursday.

B

uh And uh let's remain vigilant, ladies and gentlemen, as we.

B

Continue to see the numbers go in the wrong way here, keeping your thoughts and prayers all those.

B

That are working hard on our front line with that being said, all those in favor of adjourning.

B

Okay, we'll see you next week uh have a safe weekend. Everyone supposed to be a nice weekend.

B

It's a great opportunity to get out and support the restaurant industry with outside.

B

Dining all right, chris, we'll wait on you. We are adjourned and let us know when we are off the air.

B