Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 24 Mar 2022

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Okay, good morning it is march 24th, thursday march 24th.

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And we have open session today, no open session later right. That has been changed, so that was.

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A command decision made, as we always do- let's please rise for the pledge of allegiance, keep.

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Madeleine albright, in our thoughts and prayers, may our memories be a blessing to all those.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.

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And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice.

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Yeah I shared, we uh lost a very powerful states, woman yesterday to cancer.

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And our first female, a woman secretary of state malin albright.

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And that is why our colors are at half staff along. Let's continue to think.

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About what's happening in the atrocities of ukraine with millions and millions of displaced.

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People in uh in the country and let's give strength to our leaders of nato as they convened.

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uh This morning and work towards a solution.

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Okay, let's walk through our priority carol um and then we'll move on from there. Commissioner fraser.

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Okay, thank you. That's in your mind, right out of the box. First, I was at a transit appreciation.

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Banquet, I guess it was or dinner, and it was the first one that we've had is what I was told.

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Went very well very well attended and I have to say you have to remember through covet. We.

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Still had the transit running, those people were the front line, they were taking people on and.

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Off the buses, taking them to the their doctor's appointments and their into work and to whatever.

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Else that they had to go to remember not. Everyone has a vehicle in carroll county. Some people need.

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Just transportation get back and forth, so I do appreciate everything that was done and I.

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Did mention this last week we need more drivers, it doesn't require cdl, they will train you. They.

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Need more drivers and the more drivers they have the more routes we can open back up again so that.

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That was great to have that appreciation dinner. I was also at the eagle scout court of honor four.

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Let's find his name in here: garrison, gardner or grayson garden, sorry, grayson gardner. um I go to.

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A lot of eagle scout court court of honors- I I did before the kova came in. I bet I did half a dozen.

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Or more every single year, this is the second one I've been to since covet and because of that and.

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The one I was to just prior to this was how had to be held outside, so this was held inside it.

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Was great and his eagle scout project was those oyster cages that they put in the bay to help.

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Restoration of oysters in the bay, which is very important and being the environmental person.

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That I am, I do appreciate this project, nice job and also one other note about grayson- is that.

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He had 96, I think it was 96 merit, badges.

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That sash, that you wear that with the mayor, his front and back, was completely covered.

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He couldn't fit another one on here. I don't know how many merit badges there are, but there can't be.

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Many more than 96 there really can't be. You might have got them all, so that was that was a great job.

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And uh commissioner wants- and I were down in annapolis yesterday-.

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As I've been on the mako legislative committee now for two years, this is the first time I've.

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Actually had a chance to go down to annapolis because of covey, but it was a real. It was a nice.

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I'm glad I was there nice reception afterwards. I happened to got a chance to talk to a couple.

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People that I wouldn't have had a chance to talk to one of them was robert guerrell, who is the.

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Executive director of interagency commission on school construction, long title, but anyway.

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I did I had to talk with him about building new schools, because you know we just put money out.

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And the states contribute their uh proportion to career tech into east middle, but let's face it.

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We talked about many times, we have 40 schools and if you expectancy of the lifespan of schools.

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40 years we should be doing a school year and I brought this up to him. I said you know we have.

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Two more schools that are in the key right now that I think, should be looked at immediately.

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Or at least as soon as this one's done, the next one should be started. What about you know what.

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About the money for that he loved that question by the way. No, he sure did. He did say that he that.

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Every school in the state has now been graded. I guess you call it what condition that they are in.

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He would like to see that, just as he would like to say, 30 to 40 schools a year being.

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New schools being built to replace these old schools that are in really bad shape,.

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And he would like to see every school, given the number so let's say you're doing a 30-year year.

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And our next goal in ours is school 60., I'm just throwing those numbers out there. We didn't.

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Be in the queue right, but that way you wouldn't know that the next school our next school would be.

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60 and in two years it would start construction on that. There's a school after that with 61. We.

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Have two schools going the same year and that's the way the state's looking at because they.

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Want to try to get this backlog done, they want to try to keep moving forward, and I.

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Said that's a great idea because we're looking at it that we're getting these two things.

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Done it would be another five years where we could even look at having another school done.

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But they have it all rated and they put it in there, and it's done like that. That's just a.

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Forward thinking idea- and I hope the state goes with that now- they're gonna have to put a slug.

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Of money, I think that was his word slug slug of money aside to get all this done, but what's his.

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Worth it's it's needed, it is really needed. So I mean going to these things and meeting people in.

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Person and so forth really helps us out. It really does so. He he's got carroll county on his mind. He.

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Actually didn't know what we're doing here with the building and so forth, which I was impressed.

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With because he's got to be looking at the whole state- and I think that's all I have- I.

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Can come back to me later? If I forgot anything, I think that's it. Okay! Thank you. Commercial wentz,.

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No, there was no excuse well good morning just to tag on to that. It was a good day yesterday.

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And I'm glad you had the opportunity to finally get to annapolis.

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And I gave him a little tour, so did mr valor. So anyway, we also got yesterday a new chart in.

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Reference to moe for carroll county public schools when it comes to what we're responsible to give.

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Them so that's going to be interesting because it doesn't quite match up with where we are so.

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We'll we'll address that, obviously, as we move into this glorious time of year called.

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The budget uh don't forget that tomorrow is maryland day. uh So wear your maryland.

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Whatever you have collage of colors right, we got the best flag in the country so that.

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We do fly it proudly. um Dick you'll probably talk about the ag board. Four of us were there.

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I'll, let you do that because you know um we also were in manchester last week for the mml banquet.

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Thank you to the fire department over there for serving us always good food.

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I also visited, I didn't get a chance to go to the bank with friday night, but I made a.

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I made a stop. I didn't take a tour. I made a stop out to.

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Our transit building and talk to the folks out there and thank them for all that they do.

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They were very pleased to see somebody show up for a change out there, so get a chance stop by.

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A lot of good things going on out there and I'm sure the banquet was good. So.

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You know I spent about a half an hour there talking to our personnel out there and met the.

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The senior driver in the county, yeah she's a great great lady, so anyway, um good stuff out. There.

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Pleasant valley, fire company had their 91st banquet saturday night and uh attended that.

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And it was very well done. Volunteer fire companies, as you all know, are near and dear to my heart for.

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Obvious reasons- and that leads me to my last thing, and that is we just took delivery of our first.

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Vehicle a brand new ambulance that has carroll county department of fire and ems on it, and I just.

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Did you get a photo? I just said: yeah we've got a photo. uh I just sat there and looked at that for.

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About uh a few minutes, because it's been a long time coming and.

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We're getting there baby steps but we're getting there, and that was the first sign that we are.

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Making progress so beautiful ambulance, it's sitting out at the public training.

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Center right now and take about a week to get it ready for service. But.

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It'll, be ambulance, 259 and you'll see it on the street shortly because it will be the.

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Reserve for our 13 companies, when they need to throw an ambulance in if one of theirs is out.

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So got the brand new carroll county fire patch on it, and it's looking good so uh really really.

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Proud of that so get a chance, stop out and stare in the window at our new ambulance.

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That's all that I had have have a good weekend. It's rainy so be careful out there there's my.

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Public safety message for the day and next week looks like temperatures are going back.

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Down again so anyway, okay, commissioner weaver, okay, uh as you uh mentioned, uh we had the.

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Annual meeting at the ag center, uh whatever night it was here recently and uh I'm just amazed how.

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Far they've come in the last seven eight years as far as the group and what they're doing originally.

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I know commissioner williams and I were attending the fair. I think we first got elected and they.

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Pointed out quite a few things to us that we weren't even aware of at that time and we started.

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To have a commissioner service ex officio in their committee and all of a sudden, they have.

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Grown tremendously in those eight years- and I give bill stem a lot of credit for that and the.

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Commissioners have served as ex officio with the board, but they are really doing a great job out.

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There, so I just want to point that out uh where they, where they are, and yesterday were wrexham.

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Recreation and parks annual meeting uh mr rusty and I went and chris uh can you put one of the.

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Upcoming events up for us, okay, we have one coming up june 14th, and this is the.

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uh Therapeutic recreation day- and this is um kind of an interesting day, but uh it's an all-inclusive.

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Event, uh everybody is welcome. uh Gonna have some unique things I think happening, and this is at the.

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Farm museum uh so just be aware, this is uh going to be a a really. I think, great event, that day.

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Chris, can we keep going and then we have the walk in the park and, uh commissioner, I'm sure.

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You're going to mention some of this in a few minutes, uh but they looked at it.

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I believe in each of the parks- or I think it's two in uh anyway, it's one a month and we made comment.

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To them that, maybe, if somebody walks in every one of them, we have a drawing or something for.

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A grand prize- and I was thinking now a date with commissioner ross dean- they didn't think that was.

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A prize so um they're still looking at coming up, maybe like a fitbit or something like that. Yeah.

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Something uh a little larger better than that, but um but no it was. It was great discussion. You know.

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We brought up hey if they go through three five. Ten of these walks put them their names.

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Into different drawings, uh incentivize folks for going out there- and uh it was- it- was great.

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Dialogue that we had a great opportunity that I think yeah, that was a uh they're bored, I mean.

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It was really a good discussion. The first one kicks off in your district at cape horn.

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As our districts are presently, uh that's commissioned lance's district by 10 feet.

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But uh go ahead: cape horn, road district, 1.5 and the last event is the family summer bash that the.

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Recreation parks has- and this is july- 15th four to nine- and this is the carroll county sports complex.

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First time out, moon bounce obstacle course dunk tank, and I think commissioner.

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Lance uh and uh rothschild have agreed to go into the chunks so far.

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What the heck roth you russ, who do not say, rustin, I'm sorry about you, committee.

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Live music, they have ice cream food beverages for purchase field games for kids cornhole. It's.

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A lot more coming on this is the first time they've had this family uh summer bash, so.

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I did volunteer a couple of our commissioners for the dunk tank. I know who's buying.

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One other thing: monday night, I had a chance to speak to wesley united methodist men and one of.

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The guys mentioned unity doesn't happen by itself, it takes work and that really hit home right now.

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uh As we're kind of divided throughout the world and item everything happening uh really made.

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Some sense that if we need to get unified- and it doesn't happen by it, doesn't happen by itself- we.

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Need to work on this together as people. It was really really hit me uh when he said that so.

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Just passing it on okay, thank you, commissioner. Boucher.

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Thank you good morning. I want to start off some new hires for the county government.

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Donna price collections, clerk collections office, catherine mccrumby, administrative support.

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Tourism and william sasse assistant states attorney state attorney's office. Welcome aboard.

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As far as mr swam, do you have any photos up here for tours that we've done.

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I'll back up, oh here we go. I did a bridge tour with chris linochen this week and there's stone.

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Chapel road we'll go through some of these bridges. We're allocating money to restore these.

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Bridges I want to emphasize how important this is stone. Chapel road right here was built in 1930.

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And that bridge is still standing, but there's a lot of rust in it. Thank goodness we have.

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uh Inspectors that go around visit these bridges, we also did a tour of mckinsey mill.

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Road over sam's creek, their bridge that was built in 1900 and think about that. We have.

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Bridges and services county that started out horse and buggies and they're still in.

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Use, that's so vitally important. Now we have the inspection to recognize and refurbish these things.

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Another bridge we toured was shepard mill, road and that was built in 1965. So we have a lot of.

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Age, bridges in this county and it's very important that we have inspectors here. This shows what we're.

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Faced with this is rust, underneath the bridge and if we didn't have these inspectors gun at.

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Recognizing these problems, we just continuously ride over these bridges and have no idea. What's.

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Happening underneath, so I give a special thanks to chris lochen they're chunks of concrete falling.

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Out of these bridges, they're not at a critical point where they all failed, but it is so vitally.

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Important that we stay on top of these things, and I want to thank staff for giving the tour.

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There's another prime example: as someone who comes from a welding industry once that steel starts to.

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Expand like that, it is failing and doesn't have much life left in it. So we'll remove all that.

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And come off some new ones, then we have the two, uh the students there we go. I did the navigating.

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Difficult waters tour with the winters mill high school they put together to help students and.

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Parents know what resources are out there. I said in this class with time management these three.

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Young ladies, have a wonderful presentation: the young lady in the center emily tadashi. She is.

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Going to be the student government representative on the board of education next year, so I just want.

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To give a major shout out to these three young, ladies, did a wonderful job in their presentation.

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And I think that's all we have let's go to the collections office. Thank you for having.

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This I forgot this was in here. These ladies are responsible down their collection office. A lot.

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Of people coming here are building. These are the women you interface with they're responsible for.

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Receiving payments on your property tax bill and there's a list of all their names. I want to give.

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Them special recognition, sometimes there's a lot of people behind the scenes that we don't notice.

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Or we don't give enough recognition to these, ladies, are very devoted and do a.

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Wonderful job for the county, and thank you very much for submitting that. Thank you. Okay,.

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I believe the the takeaway we're going to bridges is to ensure and provide confidence to.

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Our community that we have identified the concerns with these bridges and have prioritized their.

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You know the work that needs to be done, but there's nothing.

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Failing that, people should be worried about on our bridges.

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Attended the board of aging disabilities yesterday, what was scheduled for an hour meeting? I think.

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Went about two hours and I'll tell you these meetings are awesome. um That's how we build our.

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Budget we build our budget because of our outreach with the board of aging disabilities, with the ag.

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You know boards with the veterans council with all of the the planning and zoning. I mean this.

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Is not, and I've said it before a tuesday and thursday on the diets type of.

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Event, this is capturing all the information from our community to build the budget to.

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Better serve our community and this board of agent disabilities did not fail to demonstrate just that.

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They were extremely energetic. Very appreciative, are the entire engagement from citizen services.

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And interaction with themselves, so, although it took a little bit longer than expected, it was.

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Definitely well worthwhile same thing with the rec and parks meeting that you and I attended.

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Yesterday and besides having wonderful food out in you know out at the park out of the bear branch.

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It was um again really good engagement and understanding how we are to resource.

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And spend certain dollars on the different parks. That's how we build our budget.

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By attending this and by understanding the priorities, the veterans council same thing.

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You know the transportation, the veteran support officers.

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We do have the may 15th event coming up and that's happening. You know in a little over six weeks.

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So uh you know really looking forward to a great event on sunday may 15th at the farm museum.

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Yeah, uh commissioner, went: you mentioned the ambulance, the reason for the ambulance and.

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The reason for where we're going is because of our willingness to participate with the volunteer fire.

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And with the esac and all the others, to figure out how to budget and how to resource uh the.

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Requirements so kudos to all of us in uh all our participation, um you know to making carroll county.

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The best uh in the state, nobody knows carroll county better than carroll countians and the.

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More, we have the ability to reach out to carroll countians through all these boards and commissions.

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The best we're going to resource carroll county, so I'm hoping barry glassman hears that.

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Because it is his birthday and that's his birthday message from me to him and I think from all of us.

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To him, uh as he is a friend of my colleagues and I um so happy birthday, county executive, classman,.

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uh I gave him a hug last night, you did okay, that was special yeah he's tuning in okay.

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With all of that said, let's move on we're going to be a little bit out of order, but it's all good.

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um We have fortunate uh the arc of carroll county wants to have a conversation with us.

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On what their requirements may be walking into the budget.

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Okay. Thank you. Oh thanks. Thank you. So, commissioners, this begins. Your agency hearings.

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For the fy 23 budget process today we have a long list of one for you to consider on the list of one.

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So turn it over to don good well good morning, good morning, commissioners, it's uh it's a pleasure to.

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Be here it's a pleasure to be live, um so I've missed the opportunity for the last couple of.

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Years but I've always appreciated the opportunity to to come and talk a little bit about the arc and.

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Have greatly appreciated your all support of our organization and the people we support there.

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This morning, I'm I'm coming with uh a one-time, only request connected to the to the budget.

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Process we are seeking twenty eight thousand six hundred fifty six dollars in one time only funding.

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To purchase a wheelchair, accessible van, we we have a home located up in tony town.

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Well, actually, we have three homes, but this one particular home um supports three women.

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And two of the women um were unable to return back to their.

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To their day program, um largely because of of what's happened with with covid.

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So the arc needed to step in to to support them so that they have you know an agency to help them.

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Connect with activities during the day, our mission, as you as you all know, is really to support people.

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In their individual pursuit of a meaningful life and and connected to that, we really want people.

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To be engaged in our community, um I I really appreciated hearing uh earlier. um You know all the.

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Wonderful activities and all the wonderful things that are happening in this county and our folks.

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Like to participate in those things and well, we don't want anybody to feel isolated at their homes.

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Two of the women do need to use a handicap or wheelchair accessible van.

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So it is important that they that we have something for them to use there there, the the van.

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That that services, that home currently is 25 years old, um it has seen its useful life. We um spent an.

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Awful lot of money recently or the last couple years on maintenance to just keep maintaining.

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That and I and I do worry that um you know one day- it's just it's just going to give out and I.

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And I hope it's not when they're on it, um because that would be unfortunate. um We, as I mentioned.

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Have two other homes in that area, so it not only would be for them, but it would be in backup to.

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Those other homes and some folks there and those other homes have mobility needs. We were able to.

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Apply for and receive a arpa grant for twenty thousand dollars to help with our transportation.

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um We worked with citizen services early on and uh celine and debbie stanford from.

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The grants office, we we have a um a cdbg grant and we were hopeful.

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That maybe we could reappropriate some funds there for transportation, but unfortunately, cdbg has.

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A hard no in purchasing vehicles. We then looked at some other funders that we've.

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Worked with over the years the able foundation they they weren't interested, as well as the.

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On drawing a blank on the other, uh weinberg weinberg foundation, thank you um and they were not.

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Interested in this project either, um but we were fortunate with having some some arpa funds, so we.

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We have twenty thousand dollars towards the the purchase. Will the arc is able to uh work.

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And assume all the operating costs with insurance and maintenance, and things like that, it's just.

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um That that cost is, is you know it's expensive? um I did get a quote that I think I included from.

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Fr conversions, a local company, yeah they've, been you, know, really great to work with and.

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I'm happy that we are able that we do have a place like that in our community, that we can.

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um Make that purchase so that that's my request um is, for you know, part of the funds.

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um To to purchase that van to help the ladies get out in the community, more okay.

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Is this the fan used every day all day long or no, I wouldn't say.

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Every day, all day, long um typically, um you know these, ladies, maybe during the day, they'll go out.

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And do something um you know a couple of times a week, as I mentioned, there's some other homes in.

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The tonytown area that that will be used to help back up vehicles at those homes, so probably it.

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Would be safe to say it would be used probably most every day, but not all day long. So is this.

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I'm just throwing something out there yeah something that our on-demand transit service.

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Could provide- or it's not well not good enough yeah, um the one of the limitations and and we use.

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um Carol quite a lot- um and they are wonderful, um it is the weekends is, is a challenge because they.

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Don't operate in the during the weekends and then the evenings, it's it's a bit.

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Tough um and frankly, you know the the the women um there there's some high support.

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Personal care needs that two of the women have, and so I I it's a little easier to have the sure. Okay.

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Kind of customized transportation, yeah gotcha, all right. Thank you. The um the prices are different.

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On, what's you know on this form to what's being asked, yeah 28 000, something 177. well,.

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So when I put that in I was working off an older quote, um I when I first began the process I had.

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Contacted the the purchasing office here and they actually received a quote um or I guess they had.

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Something I'm not sure how recent it was, but they said they had a sample code. So I used that number.

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um And unfortunately I did not go back and correct it. I should have done that. So um no.

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That's okay, so which one is correct. Is it that uh it would be the higher number? Unfortunately,.

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Going back to the county used um you're, saying they're not available on the weekends.

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um Not no, not that not no yeah! No, not that I'm aware of yeah double native, oh yeah,.

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Is there is there feasibility to get the van to be available on the weekend, either with a driver.

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That's there like the van could be parked up there and, if necessary, it can be used. I mean.

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In a partnership through carol through cats- yeah, I don't I don't know yeah, I don't know I mean that's.

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You know instead of spending twenty eight thousand dollars. If we try to do this, for you know, six.

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Months or a year and see it works because you said they're not using it all the time. Of course, um it.

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Would just be a van put in a parking space unless used and then they would be licensed, and you know.

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And just come underneath the contract of of cats. I I don't know.

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I had another idea just popped, my head after you said that, but um general services has vehicles.

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And so forth, for the state that are that can be used, and actually I mentioned this at our.

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Local management board meeting a while ago, with some contact information.

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They have vehicles and I don't know they have anything that would suit you. I don't know.

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But I would think it'd be worth reaching out to them to see if they had something.

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And then it would be free, are they wheelchair accessible? I I don't know all that. Okay yeah, but.

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They have some yeah yeah, I mean you, could I mean just reach out to them and see what they have. They.

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Just they say: no, we don't have anything okay, but they might have something and it's free right now.

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From an insurance would how would that? How what what do you would you envision kind of from an.

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Insurance standpoint: what do we need to ensure? How would we, how would you do general services if you.

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Went that route, the state department of general services has lots of stuff to give away free.

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Right, oh yeah, okay, and so it would just be given the general services statewide. Yes, yes, okay, yeah.

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A couple of times, okay, and at that the times I've checked, they didn't have any vehicles.

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Available, okay, um I'm sorry yeah yeah, I mean it's. uh It was brought up uh last summer.

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I know by the secretary to us that there's a lot of equipment down there and it's not always going.

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To be there, it's kind of a rolling inventory, so if it's there it's there and if it's available it's.

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You know I mean free is better than whatever oh absolutely yeah. When I last looked, there was a.

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There was the closest thing: there was a golf cart that was uh right. Low mileage, though yeah.

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It wasn't yeah, they needed a little work but yeah. I we do check from that. I'm on their mailing list.

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No, that's good yeah. What's your timeline here, don.

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Because you know it'd be nice by summer, um okay to have something in place. I I'd probably.

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You know if, if we could, I don't know what the lead time that fr conversions would need.

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I imagine you know, given the state of where things are, they'd probably need several weeks so it'd be.

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um As soon as we could get some kind of direction um that I could place an order with them, okay,.

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I'm just curious yeah. I just I was just out there and looked at the whole facility. They're building.

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Ambulances now, which is unbelievable, yeah but you're right. What they're doing out there is just.

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Un, it's crazy, so they've got a bunch of those on the line. So you know, hopefully they could.

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Push push you ahead if this goes yeah for the local guys, I mean there should be some.

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Local preference out there yeah yeah, but they are doing yeah national, oh yeah, shipping them all over.

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The world yeah yeah as they get blown up in uh ukraine, they're replacing them as quickly as they.

C

Can I know that, there's a lot of organizations that support people with disabilities in maryland.

G

That that have been purchased and are pretty happy with their um yeah, okay yeah. I don't know if.

A

It is feasible um to using cats uh and having an arrangement yeah, cts um or cts. I apologize uh cats.

C

Was years ago, okay, cts um and uh but but it may be worthwhile looking into yeah. Because if it's.

A

You know saves us twenty thousand dollars, you know and there's an arrangement that's already made.

A

You know I can talk to crystal and ask her if there's some, if they're yeah there's some ideas.

G

Or some way that that could happen so, okay, any other questions on this.

A

Okay, thanks: okay, thank you. Thanks don.

F

We will have two more sessions for you, each with more than one, though something to look forward to.

A

A

Are we uh going I apologize before we're going right into mike or into celine? First, okay, mike.

A

Okay, come on mike.

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Good morning, good morning, first, I want to say it's very nice for you.

B

To tear yourself away from a plus all plush office, you have down in annapolis to come up to see us that's the third time I've heard about this.

B

That's a lot of sarcasm there, it's good to start light because you know when you get into it. It's.

I

But uh winding down crossover was monday, so it's a big date. um I I this is just my own personal.

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Observation, it seemed like there were a lot of cross-file bills that only made it through one.

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uh Through one chain right, so there's still a lot of work to be done on a lot of these bills.

I

So, let's kick right into it, so the uh redistricting you, you probably all aware.

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I think we talked about this last time. The extension of the primary and the candidate.

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Filing deadline uh looks like early voting has been established as well july, 7th to the 14th.

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I thought that this week we were supposed to have the first decision on the congressional maps, but.

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I haven't heard anything about that yet there's some press reports about the.

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The republican arguments in the state legislative case, but really no details yet on that.

I

So, as always, the mako initiatives pretty good news on these another note on that.

C

Mike, yes, we heard rumors yesterday in annapolis that they're also looking at.

C

August and perhaps as late as september for the primary.

C

Maybe but then there's a apparently, it gets a little wait for it wonky because uh of the.

C

Overseas ballots, yeah: we were talking about that last night too, down there.

C

Because that has to have a certain time period, but the the point of it is.

C

There exists the possibility that it could get pushed further.

I

Yeah, because when you, when you think it through you've, got the initial suit, so the suit can go.

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One of two ways: either the maps as has established in the legislation remain or they get thrown out.

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So then there is an alternative set of maps at the governor's commission, but that doesn't.

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Mean that they will automatically be accepted, correct, maybe they'll start and redraw again so.

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Yeah, this thing is really up in the air- that's crazy about it anyway, so I feel sorry for.

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Candidates, I feel sorry for election boards uh and, frankly for voters, it's.

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It's a challenge, I tell you, I say just let everybody where they are for another two.

C

Three years- and then you know by that time, they should have it worked out. Okay, move along.

I

On another note, so the mako initiative- yes, so so some pretty good news there.

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We talked about the highway user revenue in the house last week. The senate still is not.

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Taking it up, but it sounded like in our mako report yesterday from the mako director that.

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There's a little bit of sympathy from the senators about this and that maybe they'll add on to.

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What the house has already done, you know they, we said before they didn't move any bills before.

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Crossover so, but they do have something in front of them now.

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To work from so, hopefully we'll wind up with more, I think the way michael sanderson described it.

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Yesterday is that the municipalities have done really well and they are almost at a two-thirds.

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Restoration and if we could get two-thirds, uh even though we'd prefer full, we can get two-thirds.

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That's that's a great win so more to come more to come. uh The threats against uh public health.

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Official or hospital staff member that that didn't get out of committee, but there still is uh the the.

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Other bill senate bill 956 and house bill 1409, which basically just adds chief health officer to.

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What is already a set of protections for elected officials so that that to get out of the senate.

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And then I think I I mentioned to you before the the cost-sharing bill for the election boards.

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Has passed and is on to the governor, so that's a good thing that 50-50 split for.

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For the state and local election boards is now ensuring or will be shortly and lastly,.

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Emergency service transport reimbursement that went through very well, so I think it adds 25 per.

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Year up to a maximum of 300 per reimbursement, and it adds in private ambulances as well. So.

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That's a win for us, at least in the senate. Don't expect that we'll have any issues.

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In the house with that, but it's a silly season so now um so the the local bills.

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Kind of disappointed the the criminal history records check bill did not get through.

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The house committee and in talking with delegate rose, she indicated the subcommittee chair.

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Was concerned about it and in her words, that we won't hire truck drivers, so this is kind of.

I

Really interesting, because this is the second local bill- that's been I'll, say: interfered with.

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The the delegation had a bill to increase the salary of school board, but there was also a.

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Reduction of the student member to one term, there's no limit on the number of terms now.

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They wanted to limit the student to one term because there's a there's a.

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Scholarship associated with it, and they wanted to be able to have as many kids come through.

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And share in that experience. Well, apparently, the the vice chair, who is the subcommittee chair that.

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um Had that amended out of the bill, so this aspect uh and actually both of those.

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Those delegates are from prince george's county right and I think the ironic thing on this.

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Is prince george's is one of the counties that has this exact authorization right right. We.

A

We took the language from what's already in law county and that's that's disturbing. That.

J

You know because I feel like we did our due diligence and exactly what you said and that's.

A

That's you know what I'm hearing too is that the prince george's county delegate, you know.

A

Strong-Armed this to death and didn't allow this moving forward. Don't know what else we could have.

A

Done um from our role, uh you know I I feel like this is a very important um bill for all the right.

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Reasons um it was a catalyst from an event that got us to where we are and yeah. I mean this one.

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This is a rough one. You know for at least for me, for the good ore and discipline of carroll county.

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That we are confident that we're hiring the right people um and that we have systems in in place to.

A

Have appropriate checks, I mean, and then you got this prince george's county. Who has this in place.

A

You know saying no, I mean I don't get it yeah, so so it passed the senate. So we do get a second.

I

Bite of the apple um we spoke to to senator reedy yesterday, so I'm going to give him some additional.

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Details not only about what what the bill does, but also how it's implemented in carroll, county.

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These these checks are not initiated until well, they're initiated on during orientation.

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So the person has actually been hired and is being onboarded when the determination to make.

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This check is made, so I think, that's important. Clearly the delegate doesn't understand. There's.

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A very tight labor market, um certainly not in the business of hiring people to fire them and.

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And when a background check is done, if something comes back and it's not germane to the job duties.

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Of that individual right, who cares so so? We still have an opportunity, I think, to hopefully clear up.

C

Some of this, you should have been arguing that day when the bill was being discussed. Well, I did.

C

Because they are all very good points, I I do I know, but you couldn't engage well. I was on zoom.

A

Yeah, I know that's part of the problem. This is frustrating I mean part of the problem. Is that.

C

The message down there, too, the message isn't clear from the people: it should be clear or from.

J

Well, so I just I mean: is there precedence for bills like this local bills, not.

A

Getting through, I thought that local bills generally, there is local courtesy right, but.

K

It's not that's the worst. It's not uh not! This year, it's not in stone right, I mean I've. I've seen.

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Buildings put forward that that run into trouble, so it's not unheard of, but but these are kind of.

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Innocuous yeah there's nothing contentious, and so again local courtesy should be. Let's get so.

A

The second, by the apple, whatever. I think you need from us to continue to make those arguments like.

A

You just did, uh I would appreciate it yeah. The difference now is that the testimony is sponsor.

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Only so it's solely on senator reed, okay, so, okay, I'm gonna, give him a lot of ammunition good. You.

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Know right now the the county has the authority to to to do these checks for specific job areas.

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Yeah this bill would would simply say: you're authorized to conduct for prospective employees.

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And volunteers, and and maybe we need to re-emphasize the volunteer part of it, I think.

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That's the one difference so so another avenue could be. I mean if we really want the volunteers.

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Included in this is to say, look if you're not going to give us this additional authority.

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I think you're wrong not to, but you know, amend it to what we have now.

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For our prospective employees but add the volunteers on because that's really the impetus.

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Behind the bill, so so anyway, that's that's where that stands so we'll continue to work once again.

D

I'll emphasize that if carroll county had its own constitution, we wouldn't be dependent upon.

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Elected officials that don't answer to us to make these decisions for us that's important.

I

uh Let's see so so, I think for hr. A couple of bills that were of concern were the.

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Coven 19 occupational disease presumption and then the workers comp presumption for 9-1-1.

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Specialists, so neither of those bills got out of committee, so they are goners for this session.

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uh The fmla bills uh you remember there are, there are two of them. There's a senate.

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Version and there's a house version and they are markedly different.

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The house version the the chair amended that bill to be a commission put together. Commission.

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To study this program based on the economic changes that have occurred since the 2019 or 2017.

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Task force that looked at this, so I thought that was a pretty wise step to take the senate.

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Has moved forward with their version and the only thing they really did was amend.

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The contributions split in the bill, it was 50 50.. Now the employee is obligated for 75 percent.

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And the employer or the county in this case for 25, so the senate bill passed the house.

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Bill passed, the senate bill is now in the house today having its hearing so.

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Obviously, a lot has to be done to bring those into into unity, so we'll keep an eye on that. One.

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The bill that would require prevailing wage to be paid for your hvac plumbing and electrical.

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All the mechanical systems in your buildings, it applies when the project is funded by 25.

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Or more state funds, and that would extend for the life of the system, so this is clearly a nod.

I

To labor in an election year and that the opioid restitution fund, thankfully.

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Was passed by both chambers in its agreed upon form? I think there was hurt some concern that the.

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General assembly may want to start playing with the numbers, but.

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It's as per the agreement that the counties in the state agreed to on that distribution.

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A landlord landlord-tenant bill that has moved in the senate uh would provide for a stay while.

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A tenant a stay of eviction, while a tenant was waiting for a determination of rental assistance.

I

So again that has passed the senate not moved through the house but very likely to.

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The body camera bills that we've been talking about so senate bill 31.

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Passed that was senator sidner's bill. That would.

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Sort of set some guidelines around the release of camera footage.

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And the the intent was to uh prevent someone from coming in and just casting a wide net.

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I think, as michael sanderson described yesterday, coming in and saying I want all of your body.

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Camera footage for the last 90 days of all of your officers and then hire four attorneys.

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To spend a couple of weeks going through all of this footage to uh to redact things and.

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Very expensive, very expensive and time consuming so that that was what that attempted to do as.

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Well, as limit some of the things that victims portrayal victims and uh people who were actually.

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uh Who were under under indictment from from going into doing that so that passed the senate uh there.

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Was a supposed to be hearing yesterday, I'm not sure if it went through that was the senate bill.

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Heard in the house judiciary committee- initially it was to be heard yesterday with a vote today.

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I don't see it on the voting schedule. I did pass something along to delegates, shoemaker and cox, who.

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Are on that committee to remind them that that's a good bill for us, so I'll keep an eye on that one.

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And then the other bill is senate uh bill 558 that uh is still being considered, even though it didn't.

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Pass uh it's still being considered because, as you know, just because the crossover doesn't.

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Mean a bill can't come back to life or can't be. The rules can't be changed to move it through.

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So so this one uh it takes a little different tact. That's the one that sets up a statewide.

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Repository for the footage establishes the standard for releasing the video uh the state.

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Would procure the cameras and the supporting systems there's an amendment that would allow.

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Those counties and municipalities that have a program in place to continue the also apparently.

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There are amendments in there that will include all the provisions from senate bill 31., so.

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The other thing it does is clarify that the local governments are the custodians of that material.

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And they'll have some say on the procurement of the cameras that will be left completely.

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To the state so we'll be watching that one too to see how that one gets maneuvered through.

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A couple environmental bills, I think the the p fast bill. We we talked about the.

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It's not a buy back of existing foam, it's a take back of existing foam. So if, if a fire company has.

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A firefighting foam that has its pfas, they won't be reimbursed for it, but at least the.

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State will take it and then dispose of it, so they're relieved of that expense.

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Then, of course, they would be obligated for the purchase of of replacement material and.

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Then, when there's a transfer or a sale of turnout gear that contains this material.

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There simply has to be a notification that goes along with it, so that when that one is passed.

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One we've been watching is enforcement authority with the department of.

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Environment, you know, there's been a lot of concern that the department of environment.

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Is not and is not doing, proper enforcement on their permits, mostly clean water enforcement.

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This bill increases the fines, adds administrative penalties.

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The department has to notify the ag when they issue one of these penalties. One of.

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The concerns or two of the concerns in here were initially willfulness of of an act was.

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Considered in the legislation it was taken out, as I read the bill, it's still in there, but it's only.

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The consideration of willfulness among a long list of other considerations, I think mako- is.

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Working to make that a little bit more uh all-encompassing and then it it doesn't.

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Indemnify individual employees when one of these let's say a you, know, spill wastewater spill.

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Occurs, it doesn't doesn't necessarily indemnify them, so it's still working to try to get that in.

I

At least in the house bill on the education side, a good thing happened with systemic renovation.

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Projects are now considered an eligible cost for state funding and regardless of the cost.

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Of the renovation, so that's gotten through the senate. That's a good thing and.

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I think that's it right.

A

Okay, any uh questions. I do have a comment. uh The comment, commissioner boucher you made about.

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Charter government, I understand, but I also believe playing within the lines and having the ability to.

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Attend mako and very proud of commissioner lance being on the board of mako.

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And commissioner frazier attending every wednesday being a part of the commissions understanding what.

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The requirements are goes a long ways, so unless we're willing to do that, then you know we should.

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Expect things and if you're not willing to do that, then we should expect that people.

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Are going to make decisions for us um so having a open dialogue with our legislators from all.

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Three districts at this time, five, four and nine- is important. We may not agree with our legislators.

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But it is very important that we have the ability, because we all have one of these- to pick up the.

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Phone and have those conversations sometimes we're in listen mode more than others, but that's okay,.

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You know it goes a long ways. That's where we're going to make a difference, not about charter or.

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Not charter, we have discussed this throughout the last three years and we are very comfortable with.

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The former government, we have to serve our carroll countians and that's where we're at.

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Here, in whatever date, this is but the importance of understanding. This is not a.

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Tuesday and thursday at the dice position is the most important role that we have.

A

So you can talk about chart all you want, but that's the facts that I believe this 24 7.

A

Do the job all the time? Oh, I appreciate your comment, but the point I was getting at is we.

D

Have elected officials and other jurisdictions that don't answer to carroll county citizens.

D

Making decisions affecting only carroll county citizens- that's that's mike right now. I think most.

D

People feel the same way the fact that a publicly elected official from prince george's county.

D

Kills a carol kane project just doesn't sit. Well I mean it. Don't sit well for a lot of people.

A

Well, I believe, having conversation with our legislators openly and candidly.

A

Having them open, you know have that ammunition goes a long ways. Oh, I will agree 100, but the.

D

Point is it's not air delegation that killed this. It's elected officials from other jurisdictions.

A

I know I just like I said we gotta do better and we gotta continue to do better. So.

A

Okay, I I appreciate it. I look forward to hearing that other play the apple that senator reedy.

A

Could have, because I think and and what you shared um are the points that he needs to ensure he has.

A

Those arrows in the quiver, if that's the right term, uh and I think I'm looking forward to this.

A

Passing so um any comments? Okay, thank you. So much one question, mr president, absolutely.

L

uh The police accountability board we're looking at a july. First deadline to to appoint a board is.

L

It your sense we're not going to get any relief from the legislature about uh taking the.

L

Municipalities out from under under our wing as far as that goes that bill did not move forward.

I

Okay, yes- and there was some discussion a little bit yesterday- that the standards commission.

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The guidance on informing that there may be something coming soon, but maybe not.

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Very very uh wishy-washy education, but we should move ahead with establishing the committee.

B

Yes, which was the main I guess bite out of that we should move ahead with establishing the committee.

B

And have it done by july 1st, and if something comes out later and says differently, then we'll.

B

Have to wait and see yeah, I think the one concern that was expressed was there: the qualifications.

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Right may be different, and then you would have to go back and have a conversation with someone you'd.

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Be pointed to the commission because they didn't have the proper credentials so but don't worry.

L

They're hard at work, making sure carroll county uh can't do background checks on their employees like.

L

They do in kent, county and prince george's exactly so sleep well tonight. Absolutely that's the that's.

C

The atmosphere down there- it's been, you know we always hear it every year in the most contentious.

C

Session ever and they're saying it again about this one, so I don't know when they get to the.

C

Point where that's they're, all less content but yeah it just but again you can. You can cut the.

C

uh The tension down there with a knife- and it was interesting when uh president of the senate.

C

Came in last night and you know, gets all rattled and while he was speaking, there were comments.

C

Being said on my side of the table under the breath, you know it's just it's. It's very.

C

Interesting the atmosphere down there, it really is- and it goes to some of this- because there are.

C

Folks there that that, if you've got a d or an r, beside your name, they're making decisions based.

C

Primarily on that- and it could be the best thing for moving forward, but.

C

It's got that label, so they're gonna, they're gonna dig in and they don't care what you say.

C

I agree, no, I got you I, but I um one thing we didn't talk about were the cyber security bills.

A

And uh I spoke with um senator hester about those uh those moving forward along with.

A

Some business men and women- you know that I work with uh and uh and the appreciation that cyber.

A

Security's attention is getting down there uh and it may not be. um You know, uh appreciated by all.

A

You know down there but she's pushing it hard, um and I know that so that's something! That's.

A

Yeah, do you have any well mark? Rippers have a big hand in that.

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He leads that mega affiliate, and uh so the one bill in particular is the one that.

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um That involves local government, so it sort of creates they call it a fusion center right where.

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It's not a top down it's more of a cooperative effort where it's information sharing across.

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The jurisdictions when there is a cyber incident it gets reported up and then distributed widely.

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So people know what's happening and what steps are being taken and, and so I think that that.

J

Bill in particular, is really really good. Yeah, a lot of information sharing and again.

A

Having carroll county in the front with mark got down there, plus all the other things that he's.

A

Responsible for yeah and there there are two other bills that uh that are likely they've already.

I

Passed the house right they pass and we can scout says more fully. Next week, yeah yeah. I appreciate.

A

Because I that it's a world I live in and I see them going forward a lot of work- that's good.

A

Okay, you're going to be here today right mike. I will because you have a chair in the office here.

D

And a chair for a visitor act, two actually mm-hmm, that's just yeah.

J

That's right, yeah. I said in one the other day.

A

A

With love, let's talk about emergency rental assistance program award round two.

A

Ms celine miss daniel won't come up dennis was exhausted. Yesterday too many crab kicks.

C

No, he had to stand the whole time in the carroll county office. There's no chair.

A

No there's a reason: there's no extra chair there, they don't want you. There.

B

I got the message: trustee never going back at home. Do a good chair! Okay, who wants to kick this off.

M

I will do that good morning, commissioners, um I'm here with danielle yates, our bureau chief for.

M

Housing community development, I'm corey, hardinger our senior grants- analyst- is also with us today.

M

We're coming before you today to request approval to accept the additional emergency.

M

Rental assistance program award- we refer to this as e-wrap pardon me, you're all very familiar.

M

With this program, we've come before you before to speak, to how we are supporting residents in.

M

Carroll county who have fallen behind um in their in their rent as a result of a relation to covet.

M

um And a loss of financial support or employment revenue, um but this is a round two of the funding.

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um And so, with this additional funding, the us department of treasury has announced.

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And that they will administer these funds to the department, the maryland department.

M

Of housing and community development dhcd has made available an additional 2 931 482 dollars.

M

For carroll county to administer, with this program for rental assistance, designating 10.

M

Percent of the award for housing, stability, services and administration of the project.

M

There is a difference in the eligibility criteria for this project.

M

Which makes a big difference for us, as I just said, the last round the coveted round or excuse me, the.

M

E-Wrap round one, the funding was available to individuals who could tie that tie their.

M

Rental, arrearages back to the loss of income related to covid. This new round of funding.

M

Changes the eligibility criteria and makes it a little bit less restrictive in the fact that.

M

People just need to show that they had a loss or that they have rental arrears.

M

During the time of covet, they don't have to tie it back to the financial component, and so this will.

M

Have a huge impact on the evictions we are seeing coming through the courts. Now we have seen after.

M

The moratorium lifted earlier in march in the courts for emergency excuse me um failure to pay.

M

Rent cases we have seen an uptick significantly in those cases coming through our eviction court. So.

M

Danielle, if you want to give the statistics of the um the people, we've helped with e-wrap route.

M

Round one so far and and then I'll talk a little bit more about this program, so we're looking at.

N

The end of february, where we've come up with our totals so to date we have assisted 314 households.

N

With a little over 2.389 million dollars in assistance with rental and utility or marriages.

N

Also, within our court cases, as far as assistance with our housing stability coordinators, we have.

N

Assisted a little bit over 40 active failure to behave, rent cases where we've actually been.

N

Able to deter that assist with their ages and keep those families housed as well. What we have seen as.

N

Selena's indicated as we are seeing more families that are applying for the current urop funding.

N

That cannot take that hardship and actually relate it back to a coveted cause.

N

We have had a little bit over 80 denials since december that we haven't been able to.

N

Assist with e-wrap funding but, of course, other funding sources that we have so by accepting.

N

The europe ii funding this would allow us to help those families that we've had to deny.

M

And because of the the broadening of those that would qualify for the e-ramp2 funding, we are also.

M

Requesting to have the permission to hire an additional full-time grant contingent housing.

M

Stability position because we know we are going to see an uptick in those applications coming through.

M

And also those who will qualify to process through those funds, this position would just be during the.

B

Time, where we're distributing these funds correct, that's going to come out of the grant correct.

B

Or do you, if I may, are the evictions hitting disproportionately our senior population.

D

Younger couples, single mothers or is it evenly spread out, is.

D

There any particular group that's getting hit the worse with evictions.

N

When we look historically at what we've assisted with e-wrap, of course, it's going to be more of.

N

The families that have working income that, of course, were impacted during the shutdown.

N

What we're seeing now, though, I think, is a bit of a more even spread. Could you repeat that last.

D

Part a little bit so we're seeing now currently more of an even spread as far as the individuals.

N

Were helping in age, so it's going across all demographics correct! Thank you right and I think.

M

The reason for that is because the with the first round of e-wrap, that was only for folks that could.

M

Show a financial loss during, as that had impact from kovid those folks that are on a stabilized.

M

Income like social social security, which is a lot of our older adults, they didn't, they couldn't show.

M

A loss of income because they have a consistent income so this, but we have seen um because of.

M

Other uh you know higher costs of things. There have been more more coming through. Thank you.

B

All right I'll make the most of the board commissioners to prove the submission of the emergency rental assistance program agreement and accept the award as well. It's authorized edition.

B

Of one full-time grant contingent contingent position.

B

Second, okay: I have a motion a second any discussion, seeing hearing none all in favor.

A

All right: okay, now, let's talk about the youth and family engagement diversion program. Thank you.

M

So now I am joined by um I'm joined by today by gabby zilaya she's, our local management board.

M

Program manager and also corey again, is with us as our senior grants analyst from the grants office.

M

And here today we're seeking approval for submission of the fy 23, youth and family.

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Engage in engagement, diversion application and acceptance of the award, the behavioral.

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Health diversion initiative is currently being implemented throughout the state by the maryland.

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Department of juvenile services, the program focus is to link youth with mental health needs and.

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Their families to community services to keep youth in their homes and divert them from adjudication.

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Within the justice system, the total funding for this program is eighty thousand dollars.

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And the carroll county local management board serves as the pass-through entity for this funding.

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And provides programmatic monitoring and fiscal oversight of the program provider, which is.

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The carroll county youth services bureau I'm going to turn it over to gabby, because this program.

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Does some really great work, and I wanted her to give us some detail from this program.

O

Thank you thank you celine. So, as celine uh had said, the primary goal of this program.

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Is to link youth with mental health needs and their families to community services.

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To keep youth in their homes and to divert them from further adjudication within djs, so the.

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Carroll county youth service bureau runs our local youth and family engagement, diversion program.

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They provide behavioral health case management, services for youth and their families, who are at.

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Risk of or are currently involved with, maryland's djs, so ccysb staff assess the youth and the.

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Families needs create action plans and facilitate linkages to community services identified during.

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The process participants also have access to the other additional behavioral health services at.

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The youth service bureau, the fy 23 funding, will continue operation of the program by covering.

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Staffing costs and historically, this program is in high demand and has positive outcomes.

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Associated with participants, engagement in program goals and with reducing recidivism so from fiscal.

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Year, 2019 to fiscal year, 2021 the program received an average of 38 referrals each year.

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23 referrals have been received just in the first half of fiscal year, 2022 alone, an average of 92.

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Percent of the youth served by this program from fy19 to fy21, achieved goals outlined in their.

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Action plans which included engaging in behavioral health and additional community support services.

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Currently, 93 percent of the youth served in the first half of fiscal year. 22 are achieving.

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Goals within their plans. Lastly, a key measure of this program's success is related to recidivism.

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Where the percentage of youth who did not incur new juvenile delinquent charges for one year.

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After completing the program from fiscal year, 19 to 21 an average of 89.8 percent of participating.

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Youth did not incur new charges. After one year rates reported for the first half of fiscal year.

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22 are similar in that 84 of those youth were one year out and did not incur your charges.

O

uh If there were no other questions or comments well, I must say I'm a big fan of this program. I.

D

Was involved in something similar to this at the age of 16 and I think the return on investment we.

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Get for the dollars we spend is tremendous, because if not the sheriff's department be dealing with.

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These individuals evolving to something worse as adults, so I commend everything you're doing on.

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This and keep up the good work with that I moved the board of commissioners approved the submission.

D

Of the fy 23 youth and family engagement, diversion application and accept the award. Second, I'm sorry.

A

I have a motion and uh was that a strong second, that was a soprano second.

A

Okay, any discussion very good briefing. I just like to say this is extremely important. The.

B

Mental health aspect is so often overlooked. There's usually something that drives people.

B

To do something: that's not within norms, let's just say, and so addressing the mental health.

B

Aspect is extremely important. I congratulate you for doing that and something we have to keep up.

B

And I'll stop right here, commissioner fraser thanks for mentioning that, because I know in.

D

My experiences in life that these things can spiral into addiction issues and that's a whole.

D

Other thing we have to deal with so this has so many facets that benefit us in a long term.

A

Okay, any further discussion senior, none all in favor all right. Thank you! So much.

A

Thank you, ladies now we're going to get into the fiscal recovery fund, update.

A

And we in our books have our priority list and what has been allocated from those priorities.

P

Okay, good morning, commissioners, good morning, um yes, we are back before you.

P

Today, with updates to the frf plan, when we met february 10th, you allocated all but 1.5 million.

P

Of the frf funding and asked staff to return with the results of the behavioral health rfp.

P

As well as the municipal water requests, so we'll cover those two topics today,.

P

As well as an additional request for the ag center storm water management parking lot project.

P

I will yeah, I did include a project list for you with your briefing paper. There is one.

P

Small update to the technology project at the historic courthouse that you approved last time.

P

It's project number seven. So there was a slight increase in that project and then the new request.

P

For behavioral health and the ag center are projects 50 and 51 on your list. So I'm going to.

P

Have celine I'll turn it over to celine to talk about the results of the behavioral health rfp.

P

Okay, okay and so, as debbie noted, you had previously allocated as a board 1.5.

M

Million dollars of the fra funding to citizen services to develop the behavioral health rfp.

M

With a focus on the expansion of substance use and mental health services in carroll county.

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With the help of the grants office, we initiated that bidding process and the rfp process and.

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It closed on march 1st, and fortunately, we have had four responsive bidders that have.

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Each provided proposals that will increase access to behavioral health services across the county.

M

The projects specifically identifies expansion in the categories of crisis services.

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Walk-In services, re-entry services and peer support and case management services.

M

And each project will provide service through 2024 for 30 months. One of the also identify.

M

One of the other things that we identified in the rfp as part of the request, was that the.

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Bidders be people that are agencies or providers that are very familiar.

M

With the needs specific to carroll county- and I can say that all four of these bidders.

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Exhibit that that request, so the total reque funding request to fully fund all four of the.

M

Projects would be 3.4 million dollars in order to fully fund the proposals we are requesting.

M

An additional 1.9 million dollars of frf funding to support these uh four projects.

B

Do we have the additional 1.9 million dollars in funding we'll we'll we'll get to that now.

Q

That will be one of your decisions today. He's got half the amount he has card. It is important.

P

Go ahead, and I think too that I mean we can't say a lot about the projects, because we're still in.

P

Open procurement, but there are ways if we had less money that you know we would either not award all.

P

Three or cut you know one of the programs, so there are options to award a lesser amount. One of the.

A

You know uh initiatives that I had the opportunity to start in this over 10 years ago, at fort meade.

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Was the resiliency program a lot of it had to deal with behavioral health.

A

Eight percent of the workforce from for me comes from carroll county.

A

Ensuring that the program there is tethered to the programs here, I think, is very important.

A

Because what happens, especially with behavioral health, is.

A

And I've shared I'm an example of that is you do not have the opportunity to decompress going from.

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A very high up tempo operations, tempo you know things to getting in a vehicle and getting home.

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To the family is a very short amount of time, and uh that's where a lot of this comes into play.

A

So if we have the right tools in place and that we are tethered in a way to understanding the.

A

Workforce now I'm throwing out fort meade, but it could also be the hospital during high up tempo of.

A

Covid or x, you know, um there's like these, um I guess large areas. You know these groupings, you.

A

Know and the military I know personally is grouping the hospital is a grouping.

A

Will this be able to with these four projects, be able to address that as far as connecting people.

M

And making sure that the resource, absolutely okay, because all all four of these bidders I.

M

Can say, do have relationships and connect with you know all the available resources throughout.

M

The county, because we are familiar with all four of these figures and the projects expand up.

A

Outside of westminster there, they have tentacles or whatever. We want to call it to.

A

The north most northern part of the county, because of those that are and then the most southern part.

A

They serve individuals across the county, okay,.

A

Okay, it's difficult for me to give a lot more detail without.

C

Providing giving a lot more details.

A

No, but I mean, as you understand what I'm trying to address: okay, okay and what is recommended.

P

For award once we know what the dollar amount is we'll come back before the board for concurrence.

P

So you'll see the final projects and and and what we'll be able yeah, I mean my point when.

A

It comes to behavioral health, it's understanding problem, you know it's a very complex situation and.

A

Understand recognizing the problem and what are the solutions if this, these four projects are for.

A

Potential solutions to a very dynamic problem set, then that's that's great. I just.

A

You know kind of where commissioner fraser, I don't want to spend money. You know on something.

A

That isn't addressing a problem, especially we don't have the money to spend. You know so. Okay,.

P

Okay, so um the next request is uh an expansion or additional funding for the ag center parking.

P

Lot and storm water management project- I've just laid out the budget for you here. The total budget.

P

For the entire project is 840 thousand last month you allocated two hundred and forty thousand of.

P

The frf funding um to the stormwater portion of the project there is uh in the county budget, two.

P

Hundred thousand for this project, leaving a gap of four hundred thousand. So after discussing um that.

P

With the ag center staff is asking the fraf to cover the remaining cost of four hundred thousand.

P

And I believe jason's here somebody from dpw is here to answer any questions that you might have.

A

The the intent here is to asphalt the parking lot, which would then minimize the impact.

A

On the storm water management correct, so you gotta have the ability to do both. uh There was a wish.

A

List that we wouldn't have to fund that parking lot, you know pavement, but the reality is we do.

A

Because it has to get done in order for this and half the parking lots in the farm museum pond. So.

C

It used to be 10 feet deep and now it's like what eight inches or something jason. I don't know.

D

The fish taste like [ __ ] my only issue with this one, her challenge, I think this is we got to do it.

C

I mean there's no right when we were out there, the other night, I don't know which way you guys went.

C

In a lot of folks went on the top, but I went in the bottom yeah and it's it's all washed out. There.

C

Right as we speak right, um but my only challenge is the the follow-up to this, because blacktop.

C

Is only going to last so long with the amount of activity that's at the ag center.

C

With equipment, and what have you we're going to find ourselves having to put into our budget.

C

Recurring costs for maintenance, so yeah. I just want to make you aware, while we're fixing the.

C

Problem now we're creating an additional challenge, because there's going to be and the way that.

C

There's springs underneath that thing right I mean that there's you might as well come on up here.

C

Where's doug with his purple shirt. Why don't you both you know anyway? I'm not aware of any.

R

Particular issues we did do some core sampling of the parking lot in preparation for this project.

R

To ensure we got a good base of product on there to accommodate the tractor trailers. The tractors.

R

And the heavy traffic, so um typically you know parking lots are going to last 20 to 30 years.

R

The parking lot section is on ag center property, so I know there's a kind of a joint effort here.

R

Between the county and the ag center, okay, so those decisions regarding budgeting and things.

R

Like that will have to be worked out between the board and and the ag center, because it is.

R

Part of their part and the the um thickness of this is probably a foot. It is much thicker than.

A

Other areas is it because of the type of equipment. I thought it was uh well the due to the core.

R

Samplings that we took right and that that base setting there are some thicker areas within right.

R

Within that blacktop, yes, but part of the spec is understanding that we are going to have some heavy.

R

Truck traffic right, even though it is periodic, that's right and that's probably turning radiuses.

C

That's where I was going because in a previous life with with fire services, we always had to put.

C

Thicker black top in front of our on our aprons, because you bust them up right, jim yeah so anyway,.

K

um Yeah, I just want to make sure, and if you stay off certain areas with your john deere.

C

We'd be fine, probably but yeah, but some of these uh pieces of equipment are not light any longer.

E

I know looking at the 15 20 ton piece of equipment yeah. I only bring it up because.

C

It's going to be a challenge in the future, and we've got to make sure that we have.

C

Plans in place when the first pothole occurs, yep in the not too distant view and the county.

E

Is using this facility more and more all the time right and that's one of the other things. That's.

E

I think we're considering it we're right seem to be. They helped us through the covid. They helped us.

E

uh With everything here, we just seem to be using that facility more and.

E

More it's the largest facility we have indoors for anything yeah, so, okay, okay, okay,.

P

And then the last thing we're going to look at today. So sorry, when would that start if the.

B

Money is approved for that immediately august after the um I'm sorry after the fair yeah.

R

We still have some design work to do. um They are planning on putting that out the bid and uh being.

R

By by august for the project, so we expect it to start sometime september october um in that time,.

R

Frame yeah, actually, I think, they're starting to put the lights in ahead of time when it appears.

E

They've they questioned that possibly so they have the lights already. They have those. So they.

A

They want to get this all done before the fair, fair it ain't happening, so they have.

A

The lights in storage they can get through the fair they can put this out to bid the bid will.

A

Come back and then like in august september time frame that's what they were looking at yourself.

E

And everything keeps getting more expensive and everything gets more expensive.

B

Right, okay, thank you! Okay, all right, um so the last thing we're going to look at today are the.

P

Requests that we received from the municipalities for water projects um in february, you allocated 3.

P

Million for water projects we received 5 requests totaling 8.5 million dollars. They came from.

P

Hampstead manchester union bridge westminster and new windsor and as just as a reminder.

P

You know the board has two of your previously approved. Frf projects are utility projects. We.

P

Have hampstead wastewater treatment project and the freedom, water treatment plant project.

P

In the freedom district, so we reviewed these internally, you can see the staff that was on.

P

That review team to see if it met your criteria for a drinking water project and if it met the.

P

Frf criteria and the frf kind of hangs its hat on epa guidance and projects that would be eligible.

P

Under the drinking water state, revolving loan fund, which epa funds projects that have a contamination.

P

Problem or a regulatory issue, they don't do maintenance, they're, really it's. This is how.

P

They tied water into a coveted relief program is that it's addressing a public health issue.

P

So these are the projects that were requested and we've grouped them into three categories. The first.

P

Three from new windsor manchester and union bridge both meet your criteria for drinking.

P

Water projects and the frf criteria- the second grouping are those projects that, for wastewater.

P

Didn't meet your criteria for drinking water and the last group of projects didn't meet the frf.

P

Criteria they weren't addressing a public health issue or they were maintenance, or there was.

P

They have to also it's federal funding, so you have to meet procurement guidelines, so those.

P

Projects, we didn't feel were eligible under the criteria that we we issued. This request under.

P

So you have the the projects and the funding the staff recommended fund to the staff recommendation.

P

Is uh for 2.1 million? You do have 3 million, though allocated as a part of this project. So the last.

B

Group of projects, even if we wanted to fund them, we are prohibited from funding them from the.

B

Basically, the federal government says no. You can't find this group gotcha- okay, yes, and no, so this.

P

Is my world so when so, when we came back before when we were before you in february, you did elect.

P

The 10 million in lost revenue that 10 million, so it didn't add to the 32 million but of your.

P

32 million it gave you flexibility. I was thinking the flexibility might be on the back end of the.

P

Grant as we want it wound down, then we would have flexibility with that money. You can use that 10.

P

Million up to 10 million for general government services, so technically we could fund anything on.

P

This list, but I'm I sorted it by what criteria you gave us and what criteria we gave the towns, but.

P

Under lost revenue, we could fund these projects, they don't meet frf criteria, but we have that.

P

Flexibility in that 10 million to to use that money for anything that we would spend general.

P

Government funding on but shouldn't we focus this money on the intent of what is being allocated.

A

Was being provided for, and that is the four categories of frf I understand we could use it.

A

For other things, we're given that flexibility, but and maybe other jurisdictions, are doing that, but.

A

You know we're we're given a certain amount of money, and I think we owe it.

A

You know to ourselves to do the right thing and to the community. These are the four categories.

P

And that's the direction that I took with it, um I'm not looking to use that 10. You know the 10.

P

Million is just there because we needed to declare that now and then at the end we could have some.

P

Flexibility in how we used it, if we needed to and remember it's, not an additional 10 million. That's.

H

Sitting aside, right already allocated all of your 32 million, with the exception of one and a half.

H

Million right right, okay- and that was the other one- these top three, which means all the criteria.

B

Yes, we said we, I thought I mean, if I remember correctly, 50 match is what we're looking to do.

P

I'm sorry, I didn't mention that all of the municipalities did provide those matching.

P

Dollars so this is half of the project, okay, so the funding request, because then I'm confused at the.

B

First, one that the water main improvements for new windsor, it's 1.1 million dollars.

P

I'm sorry so I also included in your table what they received and what the municipality.

P

Received in frf funding for your reference, so the first column is what the municipality received.

P

So new windsor received 1.1 million and I'm 100 sure um sorry it's an estimate. Yes, this is the.

H

Original estimate from senator cardin's office, we know it's slightly different in each case. I.

H

I believe westminster told us when we met with them that they received 18 million in change. So.

H

But right but but we don't have access to that, but mike all right right. But my question is.

B

Let's go back to new ends of water main improvements. How much does the total project cost.

P

Well, this total project, I believe, was 4 million. They have 2 million they're asking.

P

Us for a million- and they still need to so they are more than meeting their.

P

Requirement for a dollar for dollar match yeah. In all cases, every municipality matched.

P

Our dollars with at least a dollar for dollars all right. Thank you. When we had.

A

Our dinner with westminster, we asked them, and I thought we from that were asking all.

A

Municipalities who were receiving money- what is their priority list because we are showing this is.

A

Our priorities- and this is open- everybody knows what our priorities are. Everybody understands.

A

If they look how we are recommending the allocation and executing of our dollars.

A

I don't want to provide any dollars to a municipality if they're not telling me this.

A

Is their priority list because I don't know where this stands? Is this their highest priority? That.

A

That we want to address and serve them. I want to do what's best for municipalities, but you know.

A

For them just to say, give me a million dollars that that's not right. I mean we should have eight.

A

Spreadsheets of the uh or whoever got money, and until we get that, isn't that what you did.

C

Isn't that what your focus group did you're not did you ever get them yeah did you have.

J

This no did you have that what you're asking for in your hands when you made no, then we did.

P

Not ask them, but to be fair, we did not ask. I did not. We did not. We didn't ask. We just said.

P

You know we would we want you to match it and in some cases it looks like they were local dollars.

P

um In one one has already been awarded and it was awarded with local dollars and they want us.

P

To come in behind and put some federal dollars to it, so um no, we didn't ask that to be fair to the.

P

Municipalities, I didn't ask them for it, so I think we should ask the municipalities if westminster.

A

Has 18 million dollars that has been given frf I'd like to know how that 18 million dollars.

A

Is prioritized and where they believe it should be allocated and execute, along with all the other.

A

Jurisdictions, so for that's fine, we can okay, we have not westminster's answer um that evening.

H

um I think councilman pecoraro said that they were doing that as part of their budget process.

H

They were creating their list, okay, so they um have that at this time right, um so we can.

H

Ask we can put this on hold so to speak and come back and revisit it once we have that information.

H

Yeah, I don't think this should be a first time I apologize. I don't. I just don't believe this.

A

Should be a you know, uh first heard first served. This should be, let's gather all the information.

A

From all the jurisdictions on what the priorities are in using frf and then we can legitimately.

A

Make a decision for a county, I mean I, this is great, but you know I just don't know.

A

Right, I don't understand what the real needs are.

C

And now that we're to the point where there's more need than money yeah, we always will be well. I know.

C

Up until this point, I don't know that we realized that, because we were able to make some good.

C

Decisions based on need, but now that we're getting into the crunch time we're the ask, is more than.

C

What we have well from our from our staff to ask was: like 56 million we got down to 32 yeah right.

J

I know initially but yeah, but during the process we've been able to fill a good bit of that. So.

C

I think now we really need to get as we get to the bottom of the pail pun, intended.

C

We need to get a little bit more details, kind of where I am with it. I.

C

I don't know, is it pillow water? Yes, oh okay, I didn't get that quite okay.

C

Well, you're still stuck on I'm so stuck on the sediment out into the wood yeah and what you saw.

D

Well, I like seeing these three municipalities on this list at the top.

D

Because if I'm not mistaken, they are the three smallest and two of them are in my district.

D

And they're they're crying for love and some help. They kind of feel like stepchildren, amongst.

D

All the municipalities so we'll see how this all pans out, but they do truly need some help.

P

Now, could I ask, would you did you want that information just from those that.

P

We've recommended that are following the f, or I mean for this decision making purpose.

P

Or will we will we reorder this list depending on and just come back and revisit the whole um topic.

A

I'd like to revisit the whole topic I like to, I mean it's: it's not rocket science and it's you.

A

Know um they have a priority list, they have a finite amount of dollars that has been provided.

A

To them and they should have the ability which I know they do through their leadership and mayors.

A

And council to determine their priorities, we have those in front of us and if they meet.

A

That criteria where the water is on the highest priority, I mean then we should address it.

A

But well, but you're not suggesting that we go through all these again now you just want to see.

C

What's what the priorities are yeah because it's already been identified that there's.

C

Three projects that did not meet our criteria right and seven that didn't meet frf right.

C

But it would still be nice to know well because the the other point is that 10 million dollars.

A

That's you know can be used for general government. Yeah can be used in I'm, like I write, don't like.

A

That I'd like to stay within uh yeah, okay, again within lines, the the four criteria, but.

A

If we know that the jurisdiction has a very high priority that doesn't fit, that may be.

A

Something where we can have that conversation um again, it's a great opportunity for the county to.

A

Work with the municipalities together on knowing what the priorities are for the county dollars.

A

And the eight jurisdictions so, okay, okay, at least that's my thoughts on it. I mean.

A

Yeah a little prioritize all these just.

A

Yeah they should be able to do that. I mean it's in their best interest.

A

In the meantime, well, in the meantime, do we have to make a decision on how we want to.

A

Spend some of this money, so, if you'd like to yes, you could so there. This is a summary of.

P

Where we're at so with so again, that three million is part of your plan.

P

um It's been previously allocated with the new request for so for the additional 1.9.

P

For the behavioral health rfp and the additional 400 000 for the parking lot.

P

That brings the total allocated and new request to 33.5 million, so you are 800. The plan is 800.

P

000 over spent at this point, if you, if we yeah it funded both these projects, correct all right, then.

M

As it seems to typically do, but I I think one of the things that um corey reminded me that we left.

M

Out was that the final rule for the frf dollar um the dollars were um permitted behavioral health.

M

Services to be made available for um originally just those that were disproportionately impacted.

M

By covid, so your low-income population, people of color those those populations. However, once.

M

The final rule came out. That was no longer the case. Now the frf funding can be utilized.

M

And available to everyone, so especially with the behavioral health side of things that does make.

M

A little bit of a difference that these funds can be used to serve all all carroll county residents.

A

So the 1.9 is in addition to the 1.5, which is the original, correct. Okay, where's, the 1.9 coming from.

P

Well it so you could either reduce one of these requests to bring it into balance. You could reduce.

P

It by 800 000 and give 1.1 um my other um thought on when I looked at what what we recommended for.

P

The municipal request, if only three are eligible, that's 2.1 million you've allocated three million.

P

If you unallocated and only funded those three that are eligible under your criteria in the fraf.

P

And brought that back to the bottom line that could fund fully both the behavioral health rfp.

P

And the um stormwater project just seems like you work magic, I you know. Sometimes I wonder.

P

I was like wow that kind of worked out. Didn't it. How did you do that? I don't I d, I didn't do it. I.

P

I really truly, I color within the lines. You know that I was. That was pretty impressive, though I.

P

Thought it worked out pretty nicely yeah, but but that is completely up your decision. How.

P

You'd like to handle that, but that is where we are um and we do want to award the rfp. We want.

P

People to be able to start july 1- and we have you- know that time frame that we have to make an award.

P

So we want to know how much is available so that we can move forward and award those projects.

P

With whatever funding is available, I like that so taking the 3 million down to 2.1 million.

A

With the three projects that meet the criteria, not allocating it, but I mean getting.

A

Being prepared to allocate them once we get the prioritization, but with that said allocating.

A

The entire 1.9 is what you're saying.

P

You would have money then to do. We would have money to do that and have a little bit left over.

C

So I I just I I'm looking down through yeah the request versus allocations just to make sure that.

C

You know, there's not something that leads off the page. Is everything still valid, yeah.

C

Because they're, really everything's everything is not allocated right is still in the running.

C

Really here that is true too, and you know we don't. Broadband is the big unknown. If we get.

P

30 million from the state, if all three of those I mean that would probably be a stretch.

P

Even if we get 10 million from the state in one of those large isp.

P

Projects that were put in broadband picture could change dramatically. Absolutely. um We won't know.

P

That right away- but you may have flexibility in six months or nine months, because we've gotten our.

P

Grants from the state and we've put out an rfp, and maybe we don't need 15 million. I don't know costs.

P

Are going up, I I don't know that that will happen, but they're making 15 million or 18 million you.

P

Have 15 million just for broadband connections and then there's additional money to to um make.

P

Connections to the public safety facilities that were um uh identified and then a couple of county.

P

Buildings, so all added up to, I think around 18. That's right! I didn't bring a project list with me.

P

I think it's 17 18.

A

I mean the good news: is we do have this money provided to us to meet some of these.

A

Significant needs- and I am I mean again very strong about the behavioral health requirements.

C

uh Each each of those four areas that you listed celine, one sort of leads to the other right. You.

C

One there's an interconnection between that's where I was going. So if you take.

C

If you missed the one step, you sort of kind of put a challenge to your whole picture.

C

When you're looking at the four well, all all four others were were criteria that they could.

M

Do projects around not each one of them has a project that that covers each one of those.

M

Four areas: okay, does that make sense yeah, um I don't know I'm just kidding.

C

Well, I mean I I'm not suggesting that we pull one out in order to save a few.

C

Hundred thousand years, so I just want to make sure one one happiness that creates.

C

The next one to happen that helps the next one to happen that are all interconnected right. That's.

C

Where I was going, I guess in layman's terms my suggestion: why don't we send a letter to all the.

B

Municipalities about the water projects that are not didn't meet the criteria for whatever.

B

Reason explain to them what didn't need it and why we can't we're not funding them, especially.

B

I mean that just makes sense, then that frees up to 0.9 that we need for the behavior health projects.

B

And we're fine, we don't have to look at anything else. Well right! That's the today issue the further.

A

Is getting their criteria? Yeah yeah? That's I understand, and that's all I have to do today right.

B

Well, we don't have to fund the water projects right now until you get the criteria.

B

That you're asking for from those was it three different municipalities that.

B

The water projects meant both our criteria and the frf uh criteria, so no, I think we can, I think.

A

We can allocate that money to them. They they came back to us and said here. Are the projects.

A

And this and they do meet the correct choice. Well, yeah. If well, I thought you said you wanted.

B

To know their their, I do, okay, right once you find your priorities, you allocate the money. I.

B

Don't have a problem with that, but you want to find out their priorities. First, correct.

A

And I I don't think one has to. I don't think that I want to find out their priorities. Okay,.

A

But I don't think that's as necessary, so can I just? Can I just throw another little.

P

Thought in here about, if I were a municipality and I had that, I have I'm sorry only a good helper.

P

Believe it helps, I don't know you can tell me later whether it was helpful or not. um If I.

P

Were a municipality- and I have talked to a couple of them because we worked really closely with the.

P

Municipalities on the crf, this funding didn't come through us, but I'm certainly there as a resource.

P

If I were a municipality I would take, and I had less than 10 million given to me through the frf.

P

I would take it as lost revenue, and I would use it then, as general government services for the.

P

Especially for like a new windsor, they got 800 000, I think, is their allocation. Instead of.

P

It it's much less complicated. The reporting is less complicated. I mean it's still federal money.

P

You still have to follow a lot of guidelines, but it will give them a lot of flexibility, so.

P

If I were a small town with even less staff than we have to manage this kind of stuff.

P

I would do the simpler thing, and so what you might find when you ask them they might not have a.

P

Priority list, because they're going to just use it as they need it through the period of performance.

P

Now westminster will because you know they're over the 10 million mark, but just a thought. I don't.

P

Know what you will get from that which, which leads me to I'm, trying to be as correct here as I can.

C

Based on the size of our eight municipalities, they've got they. They received money accordingly,.

C

So you almost have to look at okay. What percentage did they get based on how much they spend.

C

In order to compare who gets what you know, you know where I'm going here, because.

C

Obviously, the westminsters of the world are going to get a lot more money and have the ability to.

C

To to uh to look at the resources and and and have staff, look at where to put it, I.

C

Mean when you get to the new windsors and the union bridge and union bridges of the world.

C

They, don't I mean they have a town clerk. I mean I'm trying to be respectful here. So.

C

Are are they getting and when you looked at it focused.

C

With your really focused group, did that come into play too, because.

C

I'm trying to be fair with this and I think that's a.

C

That's a legitimate detail for the smaller municipalities.

C

They're at a disadvantage, yeah so see I I I don't think I think I want to respect the all the.

A

Municipalities, they have councils, they have mayors and- and I want they- no no, I understand but but.

A

You know when they convene their their council say: listen, we have 800 000. How do we want with their.

A

Town manager there to prioritize our requirements, I mean- and it's not more than just saying.

A

You know one two, three four or it may just be one two. You know because of these type of projects, but.

A

I, but I'm doing it in the sense of not just you know, giving them the fish, but you know.

A

Having them actually fish and using their their leadership, so we're not just giving them money.

A

Maybe they want just the money, but I think it goes a much longer way if we get the partnership.

A

And we use their council and their mayors together, I'm open to giving that two point.

A

Whatever million you know, that's fine, but I still would like to follow through from the councils.

B

Do we need a motion to reduce our three million dollars to 2.1.

B

For water allocation projects, um I think you just need to I mean we could that's fine I'll make a.

B

Motion to reduce our order allocation from the f, where is it fr, frff money to 2.1 million dollars.

B

That would that would cover the three projects, potentially that are eligible to both yeah.

A

This one, no it I think it's the next one, whatever yeah this one, so the top three would be covered.

E

Right here, the ones that make your black one, the ones that just go back our criteria and.

B

There you go, the frf funding criteria would be covered, yes and then the remaining one two.

E

10 would be asked to prioritize for additional, no, no they're not, and they can't be covered.

B

They don't send them a letter telling them that. Thank you for your request. However. They.

B

Can't be covered because of these particular reasons that way they know. What's going on.

B

I don't want to just leave them hanging out in the cold. Okay, I'll second emotion,.

B

And we don't have to award those top three. Yet until you get your priority list and.

B

I'm fine with that, but at least we know how much money we're going to set aside for that.

C

Okay, okay, there's another: I know you got a motion. Second, it is.

C

That that bottom column that did not meet frf criteria correct. Do they know that? Because, if.

C

If we're saying they didn't do they know that they didn't? I don't know that they're putting the frf.

P

Dollars in there that was not, they could be using local dollars, and one of these was luke using.

P

Local dollars because they had already awarded the contract, um but it's a thousand pages of guidance.

P

um It's you know it's a lot but maintenance. If it's not addressing a public health issue,.

P

That's first and foremost, what these projects need to do so some kind of line contamination.

P

It's not eligible under and and so when I read it and I tend to be very conservative.

P

And then we had, of course, utilities sitting in on the review because they know a lot more about.

P

Water and way smarter than I'll ever know and um dpw director, as well as land and resource.

P

Management director, so that we all looked at this with the criteria and and didn't think that they.

P

Were eligible, okay, yeah, and I will I'll cite the the guidance where I and we sent the links you.

P

Know it's a thousand pages, so we sent a link in the request for proposals so that they could go on.

P

And review it, but it is it's a lot of information. Yeah I mean there's a fine line between.

C

Water line, repairs and storage tank cleaning because in my mind, they both sort of are important.

C

Because drinking water is drinking water and the lines need to be repaired and the drinking water.

C

Comes out of the storage tank that goes into the lines? Are you talking about the last two yeah? I.

C

Mean I you know it, I'm just saying that there's a you know those those the last two there seem to be.

C

Kind of legit to me- and I don't know what the difference is between.

C

A water line repair that made it up from up at the top and a storage, tank repair or pipe replacement.

C

At the bottom, so yeah and before you jump in real quick um because I was looking at the same thing.

A

There are a lot of union bridge small, smaller ticket items that if somehow we can package these.

A

You know um into one I I don't know if that's doable or not but andy, but then I don't want.

C

To get into the into the the debate that well we we we through pending money, we.

A

Threw union bridge in there but wait a minute manchester needs their water meters replaced. So.

K

Generally speaking, uh commissioners, the the top three items were absolute water, main rehab.

K

Or replacement type projects they clearly met. The criteria of the frf funding clearly met the.

K

Criteria, the the bottom group they were, they were very focused on maintenance activities.

K

uh The the water storage tanks, uh the idea, cleaning and inspection the very.

K

Bottom one listed is absolutely a it's: it's not a rehab type effort. It's it's! It's an inspection.

K

uh Venue um so in in in the group's opinion- and it was, it was not just one or two people. It was.

K

Across the board, you're juggling here, andy you're, juggling, I mean seriously. Maintenance projects are.

P

Not eligible under epa guidance, it's just that's part of so the frf I mean treasury. Never ever had.

P

A grant before they had all this covered money, so they have, you know, used other federal guidelines.

P

In order to distribute the money and epa it has to be, you have to be addressing a contamination.

P

Issue a public health issue in order to use epa funding and therefore the frf funding. Okay.

C

I get that, but I would argue, as a mayor of union bridge, that that is relevant with my storage tank.

C

You see where I'm going here I get what you're I'm not arguing with you andy, because you absolutely.

C

Know it better than anybody, but it just seems like there's a fine line here and I want to make sure.

C

Before we send this letter out to the municipalities that it's clear.

C

As to why they didn't meet these these things- and you know I'll be perfectly honest when.

C

Someone comes in with a request that equals nine thousand dollars and we're saying no.

C

Seems like we could put that in there and let it be part of the package right. I I know.

C

But if but yet that's why that's where I was trying to I mean if water is.

C

Contaminated it could be contaminated in the storage tank if it's not cleaned.

C

I I'm not trying to complicate this. I just I want to be fair, you're succeeding. Well, I am confident.

A

No, no, I mean I I agree. I mean union bridge has um some very specific.

A

Areas that they want addressed and they're not not meeting the criteria but they're lower ticket.

A

Items I don't want to play favorite one over the other, but I'm kind of in the same dilemma that.

A

It's hard for me to okay split this. I understand what you're saying, but if you're going to open.

B

Them up and what you're going to be opening them up to would be our 10 million dollars that we've.

B

Set aside, then you have to open all those projects exactly. I know, and I don't want to go there. Yeah.

B

Okay, it's either, and I understand that they're only a few thousand on those and it's not it's.

B

Not a lot of money, but if you're gonna open them up, they open them all up be fair. I agree.

A

That's my it's my take on that and to address the 10 million dollars. We need to understand.

A

The priorities of the uh jurisdictions and then before we even touch that I guess the other way.

C

To look at it is, if we give them the ability to repair their water lines. Maybe they'll have.

C

Money that they could towards the storage, repair and yeah. You know that they didn't.

C

Have before because they got what we're giving them for that. That's a good point. They're last.

B

So, uh okay, so so the motion that was on the table and seconded was reducing the three million.

A

Dollars to the 2.1 2.107 500, isn't that what you said sounds exactly like what I said: okay,.

A

And I imagine you seconded that correct that'll allow the three items that are uh meeting both.

A

Frf and our criteria, okay, any further discussion sharing hearing, none all in favor of that action.

A

Okay now, the second is to allocate funds.

A

To 2.3 million for behavioral health uh rfp, along with the can, I suggest you use.

H

The motion yeah- I have it right here, I'm just about to say it was your emotions. I need clarity.

H

I think you, the motion, was simply the motion you just passed was simply to reduce the three.

H

Millionth of the 2.4- yes, it was not allocating or rewarding no projects. Oh no, it was not and we're.

B

Not doing it, we want to allocate okay. Now then I'll make the motion that we direct staff to move.

B

Forward with the following projects, behavioral health rfp ag center parking lot. I see what you're.

A

Saying: okay, sorry and we're holding the other one until we finally get the priorities from the okay.

B

Municipalities does that make sense? That's that last sentence was not in motion, though, but okay.

A

Any discussion on that all in favor aye all right aye, but why are we holding those.

C

Because he wants to find out what the priorities are before, we put them out.

B

Okay, is that gonna change? Why can't we move forward.

C

I don't know okay just asking okay only because I can complicate it so now, I'm just trying to.

H

Work with clarity on the on the priorities, do you want to hear from all eight towns of their.

H

Priorities, that's what I thought: okay, not just the three that might have correct projects. All eight.

A

And all all jurisdictions that have received frf dollars and we should be very transparent.

A

About this and another point of clarity, the letter that we're going to send to the towns.

H

Should we wait until we have those priority lists because we haven't awarded the towns.

H

The municipal water, at this point so they're so potentially all of the projects are still in play.

A

Yeah and it could it's in their best interest to I don't I don't know.

C

I think that makes sense, I think it's yeah, I mean I think it's in their best interest to.

A

Get their priority letters to us because we have funds that we are considering on whether.

A

To allocate or not allocate you mean the other 10 million dollars is what you're talking about.

B

Well, the two point: well, it's including one, seven, five or whatever, along with the other 10 million.

A

If something pops up that we're like all right, so if you're, if we're looking at all that, then we.

B

Can wait yeah, because and and maybe by then we'll know a little bit more about broadband and we may.

P

May delay it until you know more and if you then have some other funds, I mean there's.

A

There are frf funds in play for the county that could be provided to the jurisdictions.

A

They need to make the case on why.

A

That should happen and the only way they can do that is by providing a priority letter. So it's in.

A

Their best interest, so, okay, okay, okay, I think so. Okay I'll direct them to you when they ask you all.

A

D

Needed some good news lately- and this is really good news- and I want to thank my.

D

Colleagues, for that I don't know it's not yet. No, no, nothing was allocated still in play. Yeah.

A

They're on the list so.

B

Hopefully, okay, um let's move on what are we talking about now? Oh, I appreciate it and I'm sure.

M

All of your constituents do as well, so thank you very much. Absolutely thank you great job. As always,.

A

A

Frf okay loan loan request for from hampstead volunteer fire and hose company number one an.

A

Adoption of resolution declaring intent to reimburse expenditures with debt proceeds.

E

You sure you want to come in here.

S

For a million and a half I'll come in understood.

T

Good morning, commissioners, good morning good morning, we're trying to make this a little easier.

B

It's almost yours, but go ahead. I'm sure um with you today is director michael robinson.

T

From fire and ems and mr dwyer from the hampstead fire company, we have received a second request.

T

From hampstead fire company for an additional one and a half million dollars for the.

T

For a low interest loan, that's the program that the county offers the client fire companies due to.

T

The supply chain issues and significant increase in cost of building materials, as we all know,.

T

They've requested an additional one and a half million dollars.

T

This would be in addition to the five million dollars that you approved back last february,.

T

After february 18 of 21 to be exact, if we proceed, we will work with hampstead fire company.

T

In the construction of their building, it would be a 20-year loan and we would issue debt and.

T

Then they would receive the interest rate that we get from that debt as a pass-through, so they.

T

Would pass we would pass on the debt to them? They would then repay us over the 20 years.

T

Currently, they have one outstanding equipment: limb with us, and the balance on that is 622 172.99.

T

And they are current on their payments with no problem, never had any issues with them.

T

Repaying our on the loans, so we are asking for the board's approval of the loan request.

T

And approval will allow that the fire company to continue with the construction of the new building.

T

In addition, I am requesting the board to adopt a resolution declaring the county's official intent.

T

To reimburse expenditures with debt proceeds, this resolution enables a fire company in the.

T

County to expend funds with the intention to reimburse with future proceeds in the amount.

T

Of one and a half million dollars subject to the requirements of tax exempt debt issuance.

B

So this is like a 25 percent increase. If I'm correct in that my quick math and it's all.

B

Because of basically kovitz supply chain getting materials and that kind of stuff um I met with the.

S

Contractors this morning, our construction- I signed the final contract this morning.

S

And the primary culprit is steel, copper and pvc related products.

S

That and the fact that the materials, the the cost of the manpower as well and all the shipping.

S

Yeah and the trucks the fuel associated with that, so we're locking them in at a price that we can.

S

Live with and um they're locking, they're assuring us they're going to stay within that price.

S

They're blocking the contracts as well- hopefully they lock down their steel costs because two.

D

Of those elements I deal with and I'm revising prices constantly on that month, we're using.

S

Steel that we are actually having them purchase now the building the second building and we'll.

S

Store it until such time, so that was one of the cost mitigation strategies we implemented back.

S

In january, when we watched the trajectory of the costs- and I said, don't delay, go, spend the money.

S

Now, I'd rather spend the money now and lock it in it's not going to get cheaper utility companies.

D

Are doing precisely that, I'm seeing a lot more bulk items purchased in the metal industry.

D

And they'd rather hold it in inventory at today's prices. So what they're doing is a wise move? Yeah.

S

That's we're trying to lock in it. I want to reduce the number of variables that can impact our cost.

E

If you're not aware, would you just give us a brief explanation of what you're doing with.

E

The back and how you sure, there's two aspects to this: uh the building that.

S

We're in right now was built in 1974.. uh It replaced the building that we built in 1901.

S

It was built as a multi-use facility for both fundraising and for emergency services. It was.

S

Never designed to operate as a 24-hour day, seven days facility, with crews at the station.

S

We're going to two buildings, the first building that we're building.

S

Is going to be in the back of the property, it will be the interim fire station for one year.

S

uh We expect that to have it's already, it will be, the building will be delivered on april 14th.

S

We should have it constructed and operational by the end of probably end of november early december.

S

We will then it'll be five days. We will back all of our equipment, we'll put our paid crews in there.

S

And we'll be able to operate out of that facility for emergency operations for at least a year.

S

At that point in time we will deconstruct the building, that's on main street.

S

And we put the new building in there that building will be emergency operation totally.

S

We are separating any type of fundraising from emergency operations. As you know, the complexity of.

S

The fire and emergency services is such that what we have to deal with in terms of decontamination.

S

What we have to do with the size of the equipment that we have, we are completely separating.

S

Emergency services and access to that building from the public, except when we have open houses.

S

We're designating the second building. That's the interim operations building will be.

S

Only for the um we'll be fundraising so at the time the new building, the new operations center.

S

Is ready to go? We expect that to be at the end of december of 23., I'm being optimist here. We will.

S

Then move all the equipment emergency operations into the new building, the building in the back.

S

Will go through a minor changes to remove the bay doors, we'll enclose. Those have windows and.

S

We will outfit that as an event center to be used by the community for weddings, fundraising events.

S

Community meetings, business meetings and such so we operate both buildings. The building in the.

S

Back will only be used to raise funds to pay help offset the cost of the emergency operations center.

S

To answer your question.

E

You can pay for it right, yeah, we can pay for it yeah. This is interesting. I had to sit down and.

S

Build a financial model for the next five seven years to to go through with the board to reflect.

S

uh Our investments versus our cash management versus our loans and so forth and uh we're.

S

Definitely liquid and I imagine, under a cash management perspective, so that we don't touch.

S

Our investments we should be able to manage on cash pay payment basis to pay for our loans.

A

Jenny are we seeing more loans, applications coming in.

T

From fire companies in general, I've only been notified or contacted by one other one, um and they.

T

Have not turned an application in so currently we only have this application at this time.

J

Okay, okay! Well, it's a good deal and historically our fire companies have rarely had an issue.

C

I mean I don't know that in my time yeah and back in 1980.

C

One-Ish, I was in those seats asking for an exact same thing and luckily we were able to.

C

To pay ours off, so I I don't need to sit here and say I get it. You know that, but.

C

I applaud you for what you're doing I like the way that you're separating the two, I think that's smart, jim yeah, the uh I worked with the mayor and.

S

Chris nevin, uh he was very supportive of two things: one keeping the facility on main street.

S

And the second is to create an event center that can be used by open to available to the.

S

Community for various meetings and so forth, I think it's something that the town needs.

S

None of the financing is contingent on the sale of any of our properties that we have. We also hold.

S

That reserve, as we know as necessary, the funding we have for the event center, which is completely.

S

Separate from what we're asking here, this only be used for the emergency operations center. We're.

S

Doing that through a loan with evidence and that's already secured as well, okay and mike okay, mike.

C

From your perspective, uh you know looking at the future. Certainly this emergency operations, part of.

C

This plan comes into play here absolutely and I commend hampstead for their pro-activity.

U

And their approach on the whole project, and it also considers our transition as we bring on.

U

County employees as career people they're going to meet all the health and safety standards which is.

U

Going to be critical to our operations, so, in my perspective, everything is in line and on board.

U

And they're very active company with fundraising and certainly the enhancement of a separate.

U

Activity center is going to provide a medium for even increasing what they do with fundraising.

E

With that, I'm going to move the board of commissioners approved the loan request for.

E

1.5 million by the hampstead volunteer fire and host company number one. An adopted resolution.

E

Declaring the county's intent to reimburse expenditures and debt proceeds second, and I'm.

E

Not sure I was around 1980, uh commissioner, lance was still in school. What weren't you like there.

A

With the buffalo nickel or something I don't know, okay, any further discussion see where this went.

S

Down, I didn't even offer up the picture from 1980 with us steve. I didn't even offer that up.

S

This one probably a good idea when he had the mullet I'll pass on that. Okay, all in favor.

A

Okay, thank you very much. We look forward to seeing you on the groundbreaking.

S

Absolutely thank you don april 4th april 4th april 4th.

A

Let's get an update on the agricultural conservation zoning text, work group.

V

Good morning, I'd like to see that mullet, okay, bring that back with the socks.

J

C

Nice talking to you, linda thanks: okay,.

V

I know I know you heard the story he's still salty about it. Yeah, it's salty ain't, no salt about it.

V

Good morning, um I'm here with uh price wagner from our office to talk to you about the agricultural.

V

Conservation zoning text work group. He, along with hannah weber, um we're the main facilitators.

V

And abigail rogers, who is not with us here today so as you know, since pretty much the.

V

Last four years we've been really working on plan implementation from the master plan, recodification.

V

Of certain aspects of the zoning code for the commercial industrial, employment, campus districts.

V

The residential districts which we just completed and now we are moving on to the ag.

V

And conservation, price and hannah and abigail stood up a six-month work group to discuss.

V

Some of the challenges and opportunities within our ag zoning district commissioner weaver.

V

Attended many of those meetings and got some nice good perspective from him. So today what we wanted.

V

To do is just give you a very high level overview of that work group where it ended up where we are.

V

Now and where we'll be going because this will be coming before you um before the end of your term,.

V

Here for final resolution um of any potential code changes so at that price, it's just going.

V

To give you an a quick presentation on what we did well good morning, commissioners, good morning.

W

Looking at this, um as linda said, we already went over the residential commercial, industrial and.

W

As this slide shows, that's roughly 11.6 percent of our land, zoning use at 32, 000 acres, the other.

W

Two combined for almost 90 percent of our our land of our zoning, so that aggravation and agriculture.

W

And conservation are relatively really large for the county for zoning wise, we had a work group.

W

We met for six months, just finished up our last work group this past this month in march last week,.

W

And we are actually meeting tomorrow our concept team. That would be our third concept team and.

V

That's the internal working group that um has been bringing you the code with the planning commission.

V

Changes so the work group made recommendations to concept team which we're looking over those.

W

And taking those recommendations to look at how the text and all that aspect goes.

W

Any any changes, and then of course we'll take that to the planning commission and then on to finally.

W

The plan commission will make recommendations to the board of county commissioners for.

W

The final vote as linda said, the work group was made up of a lot of different areas. We had the.

W

Farm bureau and ag press board the board bar association magic. The maryland ag extension.

W

Realtors association, growing fortified, as well as multiple agencies within the county, and also we.

W

Had uh somebody sitting with us from the border of zoning pills, who gave a lot of good insight.

W

So we we looked over a bunch of different trends and challenges. The big ones that came about were.

W

Contract equipment, storage country ends the commercial kennels. We want to look at solar.

W

Energy again anything about agritourism, which also falls in line with temporary and seasonal uses.

W

Commercial camping and then accessory dwelling uses both attached and detached.

W

So contractor equipment, storage, um the big two things were looking at.

W

The variances, because there appeared to be a lot of variances that that occurred.

W

And we talked about introducing a minimum life size working and hoping to reduce those variances.

W

And in consensus, and one other thing came about, also was the screening requirements.

W

The consensus did come about that if we increased the the minimum lot size.

W

Then some of those variances would probably go away because majority of the variances were.

W

Did occur on eight on lots that were five acres or less so in the meantime, what we did was.

W

The work group recommended to introduce a minimum size of five acres, um indoor outdoor.

W

Contract equipment storage will be treated the same and we'll talk about this more internally.

W

With our our concept team and then finally, the screening requirements for residential uses and.

W

Zones would align with requirements for industrial and public private streets so right now, screening.

W

For public and private street and industrial are the most intensive, which is a full screen.

W

Screen between residential uses and contract equipment, storage.

W

Is pretty much a 15 yard, a 15 foot landscape strip that is not fully screened, so we're looking to.

W

Align that because it made more sense to you know why would you have more screening against roads.

W

And industrial versus against residential and then again is to you know, help minimize conflicts.

V

With the residences and as price said um within commercial industrial districts, we don't need as.

V

Much because they're the same type of uh land use exactly so next is the country ends um the.

W

Big one you know distinguishing between country ends and bed and breakfast as you can see in the.

W

Two definitions below they're, relatively similar in definitions with the caveat of.

W

The country and at this time can provide catering facilities for banquets and that type of thing.

W

We talked about creating a standalone use and definitions for the event.

W

Facilities because requests are becoming more frequent, where they're asking for.

W

Country ends, but in general, in actuality, they're looking to do event, centers or wedding venues.

W

So the recommendation is to combine the country in and bed and breakfast uses into one use. One.

W

Definition and then to remove providing meals to nine gas requirements, pretty much not allowing.

W

For events and that type of thing in the bed and breakfast country in aspect and creating.

W

A new standalone use based on a definition we already have in our in our current code,.

W

For what's considered what is called catering establishment and bank-up facilities, but maxi.

W

Calling it now event and bankrupt facilities and making that a stand-alone use in our code.

W

This facility, this new use, would be close to the public and invitation only and we're.

W

Looking to make it a conditional use in the ag zone and prohibited in the conservation zone,.

W

Those are the recommendations that are brought to the work from the work group to concept team.

W

So what there's a fine line between close to the public and invitation? Only what you mean.

V

So it would be like um an invitation only type of event, so you couldn't have like a friday night.

V

Open mic night open to the public. That would be ticketed, for instance, but you could have a.

V

Wedding or some type of other, you know, anniversary party, or things like that, which would be closed to.

V

The public, because they're it's a private rental, okay and that that also goes to the b and b's no.

V

That's what we're saying, okay, so you're going to take! Yes, we're talking about that from country.

V

And in bed and breakfast combine them as one yep. Okay, so make this a stand-alone use. Okay, those to.

W

Correct because people weren't really following we knew the intent was not to have a country in.

V

Our bed and breakfast when they came through the intent, was really to have these event facilities.

V

So, let's just again call it what it is and give the permission for what it is correct. Okay,.

W

So we talked about commercial kennels, but you know looking at should we introduce a mineral lot size.

W

And you know the neighbors we'd, you know receive a complaint due to dog sparking, but is that a zoning.

W

Issue in actuality: it's not really his only issue that we can. We can work with so commercial kennels.

W

We we did talk about it, but again the work group final recommendation was no changes at this time.

W

Leave it, as is things, seem to be working well, and you know we'll go from there.

W

Agri-Tourism and seasonal uses, you know some of the challenges, were you know? How can we encourage.

W

Agri-Tourism seasonal uses in the zoning code and should act should agritourism be defined in the.

W

Code and how will we implement the definition in the code again, we had, you know, talks about.

W

This and at this point in time, the work group decided, let's leave it as is, and no changes are.

W

Recommended for agri-tourism and seasonal uses, as they are today in our our code, for.

W

Our conservation and agriculture, how long did it take you to make that map with all.

A

The quilts that was actually made by abigail, okay, very nice, it was fun. I liked the pumpkins.

V

She had a lot of fun yeah. She did have a lot of fun sort of making this crazy planner. Sometimes we.

V

Have fun with our maps? I think it's a nice touch. This is not a ted celesti presentation.

W

Again, we looked at commercial campgrounds and at this point in time, commercial camping is.

W

Currently, a conditional use in the acazonian and not permitted in the conservation zone.

W

We talked again and linked about this and decided at this time. The work group.

W

Decided this time no changes are recommended at all for commercial.

W

Camping and the reason we discussed, that is because we've had a lot of inquiries.

V

For what they call hip camps, so basically you go to someone's property and you pitch a tent or you.

V

Rent their yurt on site that they have brought in, but it's not an official camping. It's more.

V

Kind of on a airbnb camping basis so to speak, um and we do allow it for one or two.

V

Sites on a property, but beyond that, you really do need a site plan to come in. So we allow commercial.

V

Camp you just have to come up with the site plan, okay and get those approvals and.

V

We thought for the health safety welfare of having potable water having median health.

V

Department requirements that wouldn't necessarily happen if we made this approved without coming in.

V

With the site plan for those types of abuses, even with the fact that there would only.

C

Be maybe a size or the amount of folks that are engaged in that, in other words,.

C

If I have a farm- and I have three people that want to camp and.

C

There's a farm down the street that has 20 people that want to camp. You didn't make any.

C

Difference between the amount of folks that are allowed. No, we just kept the standard at.

V

Two, if you want to go beyond two, you have to come in with a site plan and that's just the.

V

Recommendation for now concept team is reviewing this okay, uh but the work group felt it works.

V

And beyond that, um you know. That is why you should come in to make sure you've adequate.

V

Water, you have adequate road infrastructure because then who's to say three wouldn't.

V

Turn into 20, and how would we know that? Well I understand that but who's to say that threes.

V

Yeah, I know they're all arbitrary numbers right, well, they're, arbitrary numbers, so.

C

That's right, that's kind of where I was going with my line of questioning, so I think once pnz gets.

C

This you'll probably hear some absolute engagement from a couple: people that are kind of involved in.

C

That at this point to maybe tweak that number a little bit actually, they discussed quite always.

E

At great length and arguments for and against- uh and he actually did a great job on these- I I must.

E

Say- uh and those topics have all been pretty much addressed here and so when I think pnz gets it.

E

Get some input but it'll come back yeah. It will, because what you didn't include was people that.

C

Are actually engaged in that at this point right, we did not have specifically had others.

V

From we wanted to pick organizations as opposed to people for this particular effort.

C

So that's my next! That's my last point on this. I don't want to complicate it anyway,.

V

But we did take their comments into consideration and did show them to the group and we did discuss.

V

Those comments okay, multiple times, but to be clear, this, the the steps ahead, will include.

C

Perhaps someone that wants to come in and discuss that absolutely that would be part of that public.

V

Process the next phase- right, yes, okay, so I don't know about three, but one is not as good as tim.

L

Thank you for saying, yeah thanks three dog night. I remember one it's very low in the number yeah.

W

Then next we talked about solar energy, and this was just sort of.

W

You know: should we expand community solar in the ag district and.

W

You know the consensus was after everything that was done with our community solar ordinance in the.

W

Code sleeve, as is no recommendations, are made for solar energy at this time and we didn't.

V

Have anything to really base that on because the pilot study no one's come through? I think.

V

They're just coming forward now, so we didn't even know how well the pilot study worked, but.

V

Thought, since this is such an emerging topic, we wanted to just make sure we acknowledged it again.

C

Yeah, that's there's quite a few jurisdictions that are really looking at this now. The county.

C

Executive of montgomery county was sitting two seats down from me yesterday and they're actually.

C

Actively engaged in looking at how they can put solar over top of ag and what that means. Ibra.

C

They're actively working on a plan now uh that addresses that in in their county yeah. So it's it's sort of a topic of discussion at mako.

C

When you go around the room, oh absolutely we knew that so we brought that legislation to.

V

Explain it to the best of our ability to the work group um talked about that co-location of ag and.

V

Solar and what does this mean- and you know my understanding- no expert on it, but that.

V

You know we don't have enough of the commercial industrial. So that's what they're saying to meet.

V

The future clean energy demands of maryland um so thought that we needed to look at this too. So.

V

Right now, we just feel it's just not the time for us to explore any further, but we might.

V

Have to in the future- or maybe we should so, I would say, yeah in terms of there was a solar.

C

Plan up in my district that was brought up and they started to do community outreach and it.

C

Stopped yeah so and those are community solar and so it's different. We have community, which is.

V

Our pilot study and then there's the um you, know: energy conversion facilities, which is in the.

V

Industrial, commercial district, but, interestingly enough something I did not know, you know community.

V

Solar is not under the psc. The psc has left that up to local jurisdictions. That's where we still.

V

Have some local land use control where you don't want the energy generating that is under the psc.

C

Yeah, so I guess that was, I want to make sure it's being addressed here too, because I don't know.

C

What happened up there, but it was a pretty large project and all of a sudden after they started to.

C

Engage with the community up there, it just went yep, so I don't know what's happening. Yeah yeah.

W

So the next big area we looked into was accessory dwelling units both uh attached and detached and.

W

You know the challenges we looked at were: is our code too restrictive and should detach accessory.

W

Dwelling units be able to be rented out and what we sort of came up with is when it comes.

W

To attached the biggest thing is, what just add the part that, as part of the definition, that access.

W

Is via a heated or cooled livable space at this time it just says separated which doesn't give.

W

A distinct length and it needs it and, as jay said that you know requirements for it to be enclosed.

W

And heated and our cool is where the best way to put it to make sure it's just not a breezeway. That.

W

Has windows that is not a year-round type room so to add that aspect to just put one more layer of.

W

Of clarity into our attacks, now, when it comes to the detached.

W

There was no consensus and there's considerable disagreement on how to proceed.

W

With detached accessory dwellings, obviously, as the code is today they're allowed, the land has.

W

To be subdivided, and there is no limit on the size of the detachment, sensory dwelling.

W

But after that we had there was again no consensus at all to and let me clarify that. That's because.

V

It's a subdividable property, so you could have two units on it anyway, so it doesn't matter how big.

V

Or small, it doesn't matter if it's accessory or primary and that that was the big discussion. What.

V

Was being discussed for an accessories, just as it says it was secondary to the primary principal.

V

Use of a home that the secondary unit would be smaller, secondary and not a full housing unit. But.

V

Could house a person or a couple, but not a family? It wasn't meant as an additional full dwelling.

E

And the problem comes in the next owner of the home if they have an in-law apartment and they.

E

Want to use as a rental apartment, and it just becomes a whole host of issues down the road.

W

So that's what I mean. Nothing was brought forward for the detached.

W

um And sort of that's where we are concept team may talk about a little bit more but again.

W

Right now, the recommendation to concept team is sort of no consensus at all, and that was.

V

Actually brought up in the legislation legislative session this year, too, was in districts that allow.

V

Residences to allow accessory dwelling units um not sure where that ended up just yet um maker.

V

Hasn't given a final say on that, but that was something that was brought up, so I can contemplate.

V

This will be brought up again. I can you know in future years, if something doesn't get passed. This.

V

Year with that as a requirement, and then we also we looked at the conservation zone more, you know.

W

Alone about the purpose of it, of what our conservation zone, what we wanted to actually be.

W

And the biggest thing is, you know: should we use the conservation district should the uses.

W

Of the conservation district be reevaluated that more along align with the purpose note that is.

W

Here, which is pretty much lands that are for conservation, woodland areas, wildlife, natural.

W

Resources steep slopes that type of thing you know, so in general, they brought forward to re-evaluate.

W

The conservation zone, land use- so that's something concept- team- will do to align more conservation.

W

Land and environmental restrictions that we have now versus some of the things that are.

W

Allowed in conservation, which don't appear to align with the way our purpose node looks.

W

And with that going, clustering is also one of the options in conservation when it comes to.

W

Residential we do have, we do allow clustering in the conservation zone. Minimum lot size is one acre.

W

Of course, just like with any clustering, the total number of dwellings cannot exceed what.

W

We could not normally go on on the lot if you don't cluster and then you know we're looking.

W

To hopefully, minimize and minimize the the residential size of the lot and increase the.

W

Actual open space areas, so the recommendation is to mandate clustering in the conservation zone.

W

But allow a variance to be requested if a developer wishes not to cluster.

W

Right now, I believe the clustering is optional, but in the conservation's open now this is too.

W

Mandated and if the developer comes in, no they'll have to do their due diligence to.

W

Say why they couldn't? They shouldn't have the cluster, and this is just a a.

W

Review of the topics we talked about so contract equipment, storage and the recommendations.

W

The country ends event and bank facilities, which is now a new standalone use.

W

And you'll see you know, some of these do have work group recommendations and some of them do not.

W

And, as I said, I went over those beforehand, so this is just the final review of them. So all.

W

The recommendations that were, I did talk about are listed in this this slide, and this is the.

W

Timeline we're looking for so we have five concept: team meetings to refine work group recommendations.

W

We've already started those in april looking to do two planning commission meetings. uh The first.

W

Is to introduce and brief the planning commission sort of what's been going on and then on. The 19th.

W

uh Talk to get with the planning commission and talk with them about any concerns of discussions.

W

That we've had that have arised then june. Through august, four planning commission work sessions.

W

On proposed draft legislation, they will hopefully, in august, transmit that.

W

To their recommendations to the board of county commissioners in september and october, we'll do.

W

Our border county commissioner work sessions in late october, a public hearing and then.

W

Looking in november for the board of county commissioners to adopt the new ordinance.

C

Let's stick to that timeline. Please! Our goal is, we would like this done and we think it's the best to.

V

Have it done under this board so that you have seen that through from start to finish, I agree.

V

Thank you yeah, and you know if we can go faster, we will but I'd rather um under promise and over.

V

Deliver and get these to you sooner if we can, but this would hopefully be the worst case scenario.

A

The work session um did you have community a part of the work session, the work groups or no.

V

Not general community specific organizations, that's what I thought.

A

Yeah, okay, but that will as we progress that will become more of oh absolutely. I just I just want.

A

To be clear, yeah because I know there's going to be a a hip camper, that's coming in. I have no doubt.

V

No doubt, okay, all right well, thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good job.

A

A

War of a contract to re yuling ruling associates incorporated to perform testing and inspection.

A

Services for the charles carroll community center project I'll make a motion it'll be too soon.

J

Okay, gentlemen, you know last week was the free lunch.

X

Good morning, commissioners, we appreciate your time this morning to meet with us joining me today is.

X

Our director jeff castaway and our project manager for charles carroll community center kirk engel.

X

We're here before you this morning to request your repo approval to award a contract to ruling.

X

Associates inc, a geotechnical engineering firm that will perform construction, related materials.

X

Inspections and testing for the charles carroll community center project, this scope of work is an.

X

Owner responsibility and obligation to make sure that the work being performed is being performed.

X

In accordance to the approved construction, drawings, architectural plans and specifications.

X

We're in the early stages of site construction and we will be requiring the inspection and.

X

Testing services within the next five to ten working days, the testing and inspection scope.

X

Was a bid to three of our term contractors ruling associates kci technologies and wallace montgomery.

X

Wallace montgomery was not able to meet our schedule and provide us with the appropriate staff.

X

And kci technologies did not meet the full intent and scope of the work and their rates.

X

And testing costs were a bit higher than ruling so based on those three conditions.

X

We would recommend awarding this contract to ruling associates and we're happy to answer any.

X

Questions or thoughts you may have this morning have we worked with them before? Yes, we have.

B

I want to make a motion: go ahead.

Q

Watch everybody looking at me.

C

All right now I'll make the motion that we approve the bureau of building construction to award contractor ruling associates the amount of 32.

C

933 for testing and inspection services at the community center on route 97. Second,.

A

Okay, I have a motion and second any discussion seen here: none all in favor, aye, aye, okay, let's.

A

Record, thank you, commissioners, for your time, any dirt being moved around up there. Yes, yes, okay,.

X

That's good all right! That's excellent! Yes, there's been things are moving along well, yeah, good, good.

C

Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. It's a safe place to dispose of a body. Okay, gentlemen, when you come on.

A

Up she can request the approval to use the current term contract for construction inspection services.

Y

Morning, commissioners, good morning so uh chris sinatra, if you're a chief of engineering and I.

Y

Are before you today um to request to use the term contract for our construction inspection.

Y

Services to supplement uh existing staff so uh because of present vacancies, uh we can't meet our.

Y

Current workload and we are obviously getting heavy into uh construction season so I'll. Let.

Y

Chris brief, you on what the plan is, should you approve? uh We currently have three of our five.

Z

uh Inspection uh positions vacant at the time and uh as doug mentioned, our construction season is.

Z

Is taking off, uh unfortunately, with the rain today, we're not doing anything but we've been.

Z

Already working hard, we reviewed the resume uh from an individual that wallace montgomery.

Z

Provided us and we believe, he's a good fit for our group. We anticipate this position starting.

Z

Early to mid april, as soon as our pipe replacement contract starts.

Z

With the open positions that we have we'll probably be back again for once our pavement.

Z

Contracts uh start we've got another one closing at the end of the month, plus a.

Z

Large very large bridge project uh coming here towards the end of uh and the spring early summer.

A

What's the current salaries of the inspectors, forty four thousand seven hundred dollars so we're.

A

Putting 120 000 yeah we're looking for this for six months, so we're looking at sixty thousand.

A

Dollars for six months, a little bit over yes, while we're paying 40 some odd thousand for.

A

Inspectors, yes, sir correct we, uh I was going to say we we have been diligently trying to recruit.

Y

uh We have held interviews, uh we have made offers and they've been rejected based on this hours.

A

I mean I would too, if I'm getting 120 000 yeah, you know well yeah. We.

A

Is this a uh boss montgomery, is it a company or is it.

A

An individual, so we have a term contract with wallace montgomery. They hire.

Z

Staff to provide a consultant- you know, inspector for us, so wallace montgomery- is a.

A

Staffing organization, they are a a company that provides these services throughout the region.

Y

uh In a multitude of counties and jurisdictions, like you just heard, our folks ahead of us.

Y

uh For the construction project that they're doing uh wallace, montgomery just simply couldn't meet.

Y

Their schedule uh with the people that they wanted on site, that is a key part um in a current person.

Y

That we're using right now for traffic engineering, for example. We had to work with them to work out a.

Y

Schedule when that individual wasn't working other jobs for that company, that they could.

Y

Come in and do our job, so, yes, it is a company and they provide services throughout the year.

Z

They're in uh cockeysville so.

A

I mean we've got to figure out how to live within our means. I'm looking forward to the.

A

Second part of the compensation study, but this is painful yeah looking at a 200 plus percent yeah.

Z

You know uh number ted feels good to be back at the mic again.

F

This this is part of that list of problems, ongoing growing problems that we're talking about yeah.

F

And it's um you know: we've been here before, with unable to hire and needing to contract out and.

F

We've talked before you know: there are times when we we evaluate. Is it better for us to contract out.

F

Or have an employee, but these things are not that this is we're left with, with no choice.

F

Right and in this last year I mean we've seen kind of an explosion of being forced into these.

F

These situations so nobody's happy with this. We we don't want to do this and.

F

We have hopes that whatever comes out of the work that we're doing now and thinking about.

F

Compensation and classification will will relieve the pressure still might not make.

F

All this go away because we're still going to be left in situations where.

F

Private sector, what they're going to offer certain positions is just beyond anything that.

F

We're ever going going to do, but, for the time being, uh my observation is this: this is just.

F

We don't have any choice right, however painful it feels it's just how we need to move ahead.

A

No, I I understand, I feel like we're pinned into a corner so.

A

We've used them before. Obviously, yeah we've used them. We actually asked for one of the inspectors.

Z

We had before from that firm and he's tied up on another year-long year and a half long project.

Z

So they went and found us another candidate. So within the contract we have the ability to um make.

A

Appropriate adjustments, if they don't work out yes and don't meet the scope of the work, absolutely we.

Y

Reserve the right to do whatever, if they're not doing the job, that we expect them to do. Yeah, okay,.

C

Well, there's no choice in the matter. Is there right sorry gotta? Do it.

C

So I'll make the emotion that we approve the use of the term contract with wallace, montgomery.

C

In the amount of 2400 per week for up to six.

C

Months, second, okay got a motion couple of seconds. Any further discussion seen here: none all in favor.

J

Good job, gentlemen, thank you. Thank you. I think I'll see you later on today. Okay,.

A

Please review summary of closed minutes from march 17th.

A

Thursday march 17th on land acquisition and move to approve. Second.

A

Okay, I got a motion. I got a second regarding the closed minutes on march 17th.

A

Any discussion seeing hearing none all in favor aye all right, hi, okay,.

A

uh Chris, do we have any callers go callers on the line? Okay, thank you um open admin. Do you have.

A

Anything I have one, no, I don't have any. I got one item. um It's been brought to my attention that.

A

Well, not it it's happening where I'm getting phone calls or texts or emails.

A

Of folks, that are it's like they're, coming out of their houses and they're.

A

Looking around and they're not happy with their neighbors they're, not happy with their neighbor's.

A

Yards or their driveways or something that's, you know uh showing concern and and they're saying.

A

I don't like this and I said: well, you can file a complaint. I don't want to file it with my name.

A

Because of retribution and concerns, so they want the uh level of anonymity. uh You know to to be.

A

There I said well that is not within our policy: it is not a law, but that's our policy and it's up.

A

To us to make the appropriate adjustments if we choose to or, however with permits, it's a little.

A

Bit different in the sense that, although we don't take anonymous complaints, if it's seen by the road.

A

Then permits can actually take action on it because there's safety involved when you're.

A

Talking more about permits- um and that's been done, although not like to be done- that is done.

A

This is not necessarily that this is, I see three or four vehicles without license plates. You know.

A

Stored in the driveway, I have the grass I have. You know you know garbage whatever it may be.

A

I want to be able to respond to you, know the community and I'm telling you I get I'm getting.

A

Calls uh from just lots of different folks, um I I don't believe we should be putting our name.

A

On to it, because we're not making the call but right so so so she's done it a couple.

C

Times over the last seven years, so you think that's the best, I'm not saying it's the best.

A

Yeah, but um because I'll do it, I just want yeah, but but I'll wait till you're done with.

C

Your presentation, no, no, that's all. Okay yeah! I mean I've. I've brought this up before yeah.

C

And I think the challenge for us is if, if we do open it up for anonymous.

C

It's just going to be a huge undertaking that we just do not have the staff for.

C

And I'll I'll give you the primary example. Most of the complaints that I get that have to go through.

C

The zoning uh department and you know, what's jay- have two inspectors or something one and a half to.

H

Him himself, two others and an administrator, and it just while I'd I'd love to do it.

C

And and create that uh anonymity, I just I think it's until we can beef up staff to.

C

Handle it, I just think it's a huge challenge for us. So is it a resource thing or is it a.

G

Is your concern? It's resource, driven? Okay, that's in your life.

A

Okay, because that's different than where I was going, I was I was you know, looking.

A

At not necessarily resource driven, but I was looking at somebody who you know is.

A

Called on the carpet about something they should know who is calling them out, yeah and and the.

C

Other thing that's been told to me before: is you know okay? So if you do allow anonymity.

C

Now you've created a situation where there's just going to be call after call after call.

C

About silly things that we really shouldn't be getting involved in from a government standpoint.

C

You know, have you talked to your neighbor? Well, no, that's right! Why don't you try that first, instead.

C

Of just immediately boom, I don't like the way he cuts his grass okay. Well, I mean I that's a little.

C

Over the top, but but you see where I'm going, that does happen, but it does, and you know that I've.

C

Had it with noise, I've had it with with uh storage trailers. I've had it with with unlicensed vehicles,.

C

I mean the list goes on and on and you just you get inundated and I just don't know that we have.

C

The resources to handle that now, with that being said, if we're taking a look at organizational.

C

uh Overview here you know, perhaps maybe we could could get into a place where.

C

We could allow that to occur, uh but I'm trying to be respectful of staff and that's what's been.

C

Any jurisdiction that you see so far that it allows to be anonymous is just yeah persons, people.

E

Dedicated to it because of the calls about every little thing- and you know I don't mind if somebody.

E

Calls me I don't mind looking into the issue on it and that solves our problem here, because.

E

We have a good form of government, we're very close to the people in our district.

E

So they have somebody to go to that. We can look into and if it's a call about you know a squirrel.

E

Running up a tree next to him, we can't do much about that or a chipmunk or a chipmunk yeah.

E

But if it's legitimate, we have the ability to take care of it. At this point- and I know.

E

Some of them are ridiculous, but I I you have to if it's a major concern you have to put.

E

Your name to it: okay, I had one last week and I attached my name because you know I was told.

C

A reminder, uh steve, you know, can't be anonymous. I'm like okay put my name on it. I've been told I.

E

Did it I've been told that several times over the years, wow yeah but who's, pointing fingers.

C

Yeah she's not paying attention. I don't like the idea of anyone calling in not leaving a.

B

Name with complaints, because then that's just going to get blown out of pain. In my opinion,.

B

You have people that it'll be their job to go around the neighborhood and make phone calls. I.

B

Just don't like that at all, so I think if it's siri I mean I've had these causes. We all have.

B

I check into it myself and I get back to the person and say you know what I'll put my name.

B

On the complaint, if you don't want to you check into it yourself, I do I drive by got it, and I.

B

I'll say this is a drive-by for points I get it. I drive by. I look to see what you're talking about.

B

You know what you're right. This is not really not good or it's not. I wouldn't want to live.

B

Next to this particular property, either I put my name on it. Okay, we had one well.

C

Maybe that's, are you talking about a specific location? No okay, because you and I got involved.

E

Yeah so I mean it's just no, no, it's all good, and so I am not that's part of our job.

A

I'm not looking at swaying one way or the other. I just wanted to get your insight yeah. um You know.

J

The latest it was, it was a woman. I would imagine uh 80s late 70s 80s. You know very concerned.

A

And she just sounded it, and she was appreciated that I called her back. You know and.

A

She told me her story, I'm like okay, I got it. Let me you know think this one through. I there's no.

A

Promises um but yeah, it's not. I have no problem, putting my name to something I just wanted to.

A

Know the rationale that you had and that's that's good if it gets really bad. I tell my call weaver.

E

It hasn't been yeah, we get some calls occasionally, but it's really not not outrageous. I mean and used.

E

Like you said there was this elderly lady is concerned. We look after those and handle them.

E

And I I can understand where she can come from and, like you said it's it's part of her job. I got it.

A

I just want to give your thoughts yeah so and if it really needs to be addressed, attach your name.

C

To it and then you'll get something that you know I mean it might have to get in your favor, but at.

C

Least you'll get yeah, then you'll get the next level of oh okay. Here we go and a lot of times.

E

Just whatever the issue is talk to the person, it solves the issue most of the time and I thought.

E

Of my way to stop and do that, I know probably against legal advice sometimes, but it the issue.

C

Can get solved yeah well, the last three I had. They called me and told me that weaver said and.

C

I said: well, that's all wrong. Well, I refer them to you. Many times see. There's here's the problem.

A

Once again, one is the loneliest number. Okay.

A

Minutes we dealt with 25 or 64. when you come on.

C

um Does anybody really know what time it is.

B

Just check my watch it's time to get these attempts again. Oh okay, so lunch time.

A

Okay, we ready one: let's get a few okay march 28th. There is nothing scheduled march, 29th.

A

uh On tuesday, we have agency hearings starting at zero, nine uh and then, following up at one.

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P.M: at six p.m. We'll walk in the park at cape horn, I think I'll be hampstead.

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On wednesday planning commission 6 p.m. uh It's a special uh planning commission.

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My intention yeah, my intent, is to attend, but commissioner lance will definitely be there.

A

Representing the county uh thursday, we have close eight nine we're going to open a handful.

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Of topics so far legislative update recommended fy23 water and sewer rate uh fy22 walco. It's a.

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Information briefing on the walt carroll events in count in the county parks, a request to revise.

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Format of public notice signs, okay, construction inspection services for the sykesville maryland.

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851, which is their main street springfield avenue water and sewer main improvement project.

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Good construction inspection services again for 8 51.. What's that yeah? Why is it on there twice.

A

Same thing, it's a big item. No, it's the same different. Oh, it is yeah. I apologize one's the.

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Corner it's springfield, the other is main street. So it's it's! It's the corner of springfield and.

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Main street got it um department, management, budget, fy, 23, hearings at 11 and then 1 pm. We have more.

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Budget hearings friday morning, uh commissioner frazier lance weaver and I will be attending the.

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Sheriff's police, correctional training academy- I will also be attending so the five of us will be.

A

Attending then battle of the books at 6 30 p.m. At kirstel academy, commissioner frazier will.

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Be attending on saturday, the christian farmers outreach spring luncheon. Commissioner boucher.

A

Will be attending, I thought, commissioner frazier. You were 10 years old yeah. I have to check, but.

B

Put me down with it, I'm pretty sure I responded to that. If you don't show I'll eat your food.

A

That, later afternoon, union bridge fire department banqueting awards. Commissioner boucher will.

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Be attending person of the year maryland motor truck association at the antrim up in tonytown.

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Commissioner, wentz will be attending I'll, be doing a podcast for that week. On april 4th wow.

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Monday, 11 a.m. The hampstead volunteer fire company groundbreaking.

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Commissioner frazier lance and I will be attending that and weaver. I fear you.

A

Yeah, so the four of us will be attending wait a minute you're going to hampstead yeah on tuesday.

A

Any more rude interruptions, I don't think so: okay, tuesday april 5th, 9 a.m. Maybe budget work sessions.

A

At 1 pm budget work sessions, wednesday 6 april 6 planning commission in person wait a second. I.

A

Am not attending that? That's all, commissioner, wins. Excuse me what I'd really like you to be.

C

There too yeah, it's all you morally, absolutely no. Actually, uh we need to switch that around.

J

Why no never mind never mind, there's that it's not on the schedule. There's an esac meeting.

C

That night as well- oh it's the special it's the special one that they owed for uh after they see.

C

Staffing presentations at the one of our agency hearings. Aren't you can you go, let's verify it.

C

So the sixth, the sixth at seven p.m. At the public safety training center. Can you do for.

C

Seven o'clock dick at the pst, can you do that? One yeah! Okay, put that one! That's an easy.

A

Sac meeting yeah- that's right. I knew there was some thursday april 7th.

A

We go into open session, mr fowler we'll start us off, and then we have the annual plan for fiscal.

A

Year, 2022 carroll, county bureau of housing, uh miss decal, will be presenting locus wetland stormwater.

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Management facility, mr hein, will be presenting department of management and budget will be.

A

Oh, it's a backup fy23. This may or may not happen proposed budget work session. Let's see how far.

A

We can get and same thing in the afternoon: fy 23 proposed budget work session battle of books.

A

At the montessori school 6 30 in westminster, commissioner fraser will be attending on friday.

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Tony town business breakfast at the thunder head bowling grill, commissioner, wants will be attending.

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And then he'll be attending the francis scott key high school battle of the books. Commissioner,.

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Wants saturday april 9th the ohio state, big country breakfast at the career and tech center.

A

Commissioner, boucher and frazier will be attending mcdaniel installation of julia jaskin.

A

The new president, installation of president julia jaskin, commissioner frazier, is attending.

A

Okay, um 6 p.m. There will be a reception for the new president and mcdaniel and again, commissioner,.

A

Fisher will be representing us if he tucks out black tie baby. Oh that's right april, 9th.

A

And I will be attending, have a black seat, I I will be attending the formula lion stars.

A

Service gala, which is a black tie, talks offense, so I will be in a a tux that evening. I am but.

A

I'm going there that evening. Thank you make sure everybody knows. I do not have a talk, so I will not.

C

Be we're going to talk to any of that? Let's put it out there put a vote on you'll, be fine. Okay,.

A

And then commissioner wentz will provide the podcast on april 10th. I may talk about taxes.

A

Is there anything else? Did I miss anything I seen hearing none? I need a motion to.

A

Go are we going into closed, no, no, no journey, and I need a motion to return.

E

Second, I got a motion in a couple seconds all in favor aye against now.

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