Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 22 Nov 2022

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Okay good morning, it is I'm first off, I'm, commissioner, ed rothin. It's uh tuesday.

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November 22nd wishing everybody uh early happy thanksgiving uh with family and friends as.

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We always do we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence.

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um Just for me, thinking of that horrific act that happened in colorado springs.

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um Along with idaho and other places, but what happened in colorado springs was just horrendous.

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And fortunately, a army veteran helped solve this issue and tackle the gunman, but not before a.

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Handful of folks were murdered, so let's keep them in our thoughts and prayers as well. So thank you.

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And to the republic for which it stands.

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And honestly, I bring this up because, as we say, the pledge and we say indivisible, there's so much.

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Divisiveness, that's still happening, whether it be on social media or just the rhetoric we hear about.

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You know what right and wrong looks like. Well, it was pretty horrible. What happened.

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um Okay on completely different notes: let's go through uh priority carol and see. What's going.

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On commissioner boucher well, thank you very much. Well happy holidays. Everyone thanksgiving season.

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In front of us time to share a family and loved ones, and I think everyone seems to be in a pretty.

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Good mood here with the short week, I want to take the opportunity to start reading off the.

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Name of some of the new hiries for the county government welcome them aboard megan urbenstein.

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Program coordinator reckon parks, howard gross electrician facilities, matthew, swininger truck.

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Driver rhodes operations albert shelver, jr engineering, technician, public works, bruce.

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Fritz truck driver snow removal, which is going to be very important soon and corey o'donnell.

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Bach miller, visitation center circuit court welcome aboard, and here we have some photos. I was.

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At exploration commons, we had a meeting over there. We, as you see two of the incoming commissioners.

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There sharing at the event and also jason out here in the audience one of her fellow history, nerds.

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It was nice to share today talking about history and imparting that upon the next generation, always.

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Emphasize that we learn history as adults, but we have a big responsibility to impart that upon the.

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Children that carry on where we let off uh I went to the college. They had the environmental.

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Symposium and a lot of students and children made artwork out of the recycled goods. That was quite.

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Fascinating I like to see the artistic talent all this stuff is made from basically trash. I guess.

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You could say for lack of a better word: recyclable items turned into art, and these type of programs.

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Are inspirational to children, it's sparksery creativity, nurse, councilman, kevin dehoff. What.

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A wonderful man kevin is, I appreciate all he does. Is a giant robot. Looking thing made of cardboard.

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It was a very festive and fun event, and I want to give a special thanks to director hines and all of.

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His staff in their land resource management facility or department for helping put this.

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Together and it connects what they're doing with the practical and the people to instill that into.

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The next generation we also have the breakfast with santa for the career and technology center.

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December a7 to 11 there's food, so of course I'm always going to be there. That's a wonderful event.

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Santa will be there, I will not be to santa uh commissioner weaver. Are you volunteering.

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For santa no, no, he just does the voiceover for santa another wonderful event go out there and.

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Support these students, because I know having been a vocational student and compete nationally for.

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Welding that these fundraisers are very critical for the students to raise the funds to be able to.

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Travel and compete in these competitions, so please patronize them, and this will be my last walk in.

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The park, I guess technically I won't be a county commissioner, because it'll be on the seventh a.

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Few days after my term ends but I'll be out there, I think I'm gonna dress as an elf. This time and.

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We're going to collect toys for a wonderful cause together, we own it. I know commissioner ross seems.

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A big supporter of them they do wonderful work and the more people we see out there.

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Being festive and sharing and support it's a toy drive when I'll collect toys for children.

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Not everyone is as fortunate as others, so we like to pitch in as in giving that we shall receive. I.

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Always say so: that's december 7th we'll be at bear branch park which director daggett says.

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That is a gem of all the parks in carroll county and I won't disagree. There's a lot.

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Of trails back there, it's easy to get lost out there. I've gotten a little disoriented.

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Myself but hopefully won't get lost on the walk, so we'll do a walk and collect toys for children.

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Is there anything else all right? One last thing I want to mention is I received from their economic.

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Director this morning, jack lyburn, this press release for the workforce center recognized.

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As champion manufacturing director of economic development, jack lyburn said we are particularly.

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Proud to nominate and recognize that carroll county workforce development, team for training, 30.

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Welding students, through a partnership with earl back gas and technology using its mobile classroom.

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This new innovative work help local manufacturers meet some of their hiring needs and create new.

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Small business enterprises, the 30 trained welders, earned 68 american welding society certificates.

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In just nine weeks and carroll, county employers had the opportunity to meet and hire trainees as.

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Part of their program, it was a win-win, I'm so proud of what that department. Does it changes.

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Lives, you know people sometimes have no direction, they don't know what they want to do, and training.

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Programs like this at our county provides, creates productive citizens in their future. So thank you.

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Everyone for all you've done have a wonderful day. Okay, commissioner weaver uh yeah. First of all, I.

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Guess we had the tree lighting in hampstead the other night, uh what a event hamster comes in on.

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Fire department, when uh in a fire truck and uh any sleigh and um they had a huge turnout, uh I think.

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Probably 1500 people showed up for that event was unbelievable. um Also we had the cnr ribbon, cutting.

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uh Restaurant in hampstead opened up had expanding, which was great and uh exact picture of it uh with.

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The owner of the cnr and we gave him a certificate for uh expanding business in carroll, county.

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Delegate shoemaker was also in attendance and the other uh item I had was uh honoring a veteran.

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Tech sergeant joseph farrenholt, uh the saw the bridge over uh liberty reservoir, signed dedication.

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To him he actually joined the army at age. 15 lied about his age, got into the army, uh national guard.

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He uh during world war ii had four silver stars and purple heart, so it was uh interesting to.

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See his family and dedication of this had a huge turnout. It was really a very nice event, so uh it.

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Was that was the highlight I think of my week here, fantastic commissioner frazier? Well just.

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What I say thanksgiving is upon us, everyone enjoying enjoy time with family and friends.

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If you're traveling you're expecting to travel uh this weekend to be almost pre and pre-pandemic.

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Traveling so they're expecting a lot of people at the airport and on the roads so get there early.

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Do all the things that you normally would do you know before the pandemic for traveling to go, see.

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Family friends and enjoy the time off, that's all I have thank you thanks, commissioner wentz.

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Kind of abbreviated this morning, it's a very nice tie, good nice time and shirt to match and shirt to.

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Match it is, and I have to say I picked a shirt out. My wife wasn't even home when I take this out. No.

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Comment: good boy, okay, see what I started all right good morning. uh What are we doing here? Are you on.

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The stool yeah I'm not on a stool, oh okay, I'm not sure why that's up, but we that was a week or so.

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Ago but anyway, we did a photo yeah. We did honor um the volunteers that yeah at uh the wrecking parks.

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Which is an amazing program uh so kudos to our volunteers in the county, speaking of volunteers,.

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uh You mentioned thanksgiving everybody's, mentioning that, let's be careful out there, a.

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Lot of turkeys are going to go in the oven. I spent one thanksgiving eve watching an entire apartment.

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Complex burned down as a result of a ravens player deciding to deep fry a turkey on his balcony.

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um People still deep fry turkeys, which is interesting to me. It's it's an interesting.

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Taste, but whatever uh anyway, uh common sense when you're utilizing ovens and utilizing those deep.

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Fryers reasonable distance away from any structure and let's keep our volunteers with their families.

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Where they should be instead of out on the road on fire engines, so that would be a good good good.

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Time, if we can do that, uh governor's emergency management advisory council met yesterday.

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uh We had a very good meeting and uh apparently they're working on uh who's.

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Supposed to be on that committee and who's not moving forward and I've been advised that, as a.

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Result of my background, I will remain on that commission with the new governor for the next.

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Two years, so I'm honored not necessarily a representative of county government but a.

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Representative of carroll county on that emergency management advisory council. So I appreciate the.

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uh What we're going to do moving forward there? uh Several of us today will go out to the farm.

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Museum and pay tribute to scott hallnecker scott has been a staple at the farm museum for.

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15 years yeah at least I was going to say maybe more than that, because I think he.

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Volunteered for a while there too anyway, uh gonna miss him. Scott is retiring, so.

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um Wish him the best as he moves forward? I don't know how many folks, sadly you get to.

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An age where the first thing you well, the only thing that really is good in the paper anymore,.

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um Are are the the cartoons and the horoscopes? Everything else seems to be whatever.

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Well you the times, doesn't I mean that's it's the baltimore sun, but whatever uh anyway, uh I always.

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At this age I always go to the to the obituaries first, all right, it's which is which is bad, uh but.

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uh I want to give a shout out to the union bridge fire company uh and also our deepest sympathies.

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From county government for their loss, uh reverend richard michaels passed away over there.

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uh Reverend dick was um a fixture at union bridge fire company for years, uh and I actually took.

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uh Paramedic uh with him- uh and it was um that's been years ago- but uh he was a just an incredible.

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Individual he was a pastor at the lutheran church over there for 45 years. I believe, which is sort.

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Of unheard of for pastors because they move around, you know quite a bit, so uh union bridge is having.

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A is having a memorial service and viewing for he him on saturday and uh um on behalf of all of.

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Us here in county government, those that have been in the fire service here for years, uh we want to.

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Express our our deepest sympathies to uh to all the great folks at union bridge a couple things.

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Coming up uh eric handed me this, their tree lighting is 7 p.m. In union bridge on saturday.

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Right is that the second saturday, the 2nd, which is next next saturday next saturday, following.

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Saturday uh and the uh miracle on main uh parade is this saturday evening in westminster a lot.

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Of folks spend a lot of time with with floats and what have you that's at 5 p.m and then westminster.

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City will light their christmas tree in the little courtyard across from the library right after the.

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Parade and that parade is led by who, commissioner rusty I'm not sure this is uh an elf in the green.

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Suit santa the award-winning, I'm just saying that's been leading this year, I'm not sure.

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And then uh a shameless plug for the award-winning westminster band, uh their their holiday concert is.

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Monday evening, at carroll community college at 7 pm completely volunteer group there's about 50 of.

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Us that are playing uh if you can fit it into your schedule, I would recommend you come out there. It's.

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Going to be a great event, these folks have spent a lot of time practicing and um they're even good.

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We're even going to be singing that evening. So uh so, if you get a chance, come out to the college at.

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7 pm on monday evening, I want to thank staff for throwing this session in on tuesday. We have a lot.

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Yet that we'd like to accomplish so thank you to staff. We typically don't do tuesdays, but I'd like.

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To thank those that have worked tirelessly to get us to the end on several issues that we'd.

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Like to get to the end to as we only have how many days left dick uh you said, 13. I did say.

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That that's great! So whenever you tell me that's what you know so other than that everybody have.

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A great thanksgiving be careful on the roads. uh Three accidents this morning uh uh prior.

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To 7 a.m, so uh you know: let's, let's, uh let's be careful out there on the roads too, so I think I.

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Did enough public safety for this morning and on the 14th day, we'll be a continuation of government.

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There you go okay, yep back to you, sir looking forward to, uh and you will continue getting the.

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Farewell uh to my colleagues and welcoming the new uh for the 60-second board. I know the.

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uh The message or public release, or whatever it was called, is uh press release was sent out uh for.

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Both events for both events correct so december, the 1st is kicking us out the door. If you wish.

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First, first and then, and then uh is the inauguration uh and swearing-in of the.

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Five new commissioners to continue our government in the 62nd board.

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Last week said farewell to mike galliazzo the head of our regional management institute or.

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Manufacturing institute 30 plus years, he has been working selflessly in supporting the industrial.

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Community in maryland, 750 of his closest friends were in attendance for that event. On thursday.

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I was blessed to participate and attend that I don't know when that is that actually.

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When was that, oh that that's the reserve center, that wasn't that that was a happy snap. I think.

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That senator hester and congratulations to her and her uh win as a center of the new newly.

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Formed district nine- and I was secretary owings and deputy secretary finn, who have been a great.

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Support of carroll county in getting our veterans uh um facility, you know groundbreaking, which will.

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Start next uh next year now, but the education resiliency center is a facility on fort meade.

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That took 11 years 11 plus years from vision, which I had when I was in command.

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Through five or six commanders, maintaining the priority and the resources, 5.1 million.

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Dollars renovating a facility to take care of our service members veterans, family.

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um Department of defense when it comes to education and resiliency resiliency defined.

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As physical, emotional, spiritual, family and social and the idea there and there's been.

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A few articles about this, um the idea there is that 44 percent of fort meade.

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Comes from anne arundel, county 25 percent from howard county, but eight percent and growing comes.

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From carroll county, that's just showing some of the facilities it'll have an industrial. It has an.

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Industrial kitchen as well, um there are kiosks to say where people can get the support needed.

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um It's it's a pretty special event and it all started because of.

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Well, not because I had the vision of establishing this, because there were suicides. There was drug.

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Addiction there was family uh and social abuse um just a lot of tough times back in uh 2011.

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um That we started creating this effort and we finally did a ribbon cutting on uh thursday. It.

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Was humbling to say the least and honoring um in all regards um light. Life is good. It's a.

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Beautiful blue sky, it's uh 40 degrees and I think we're all ready for thanksgiving in a couple days.

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So without further ado uh nope, I think we have one priority carol: correct a proclamation. Yes, sir.

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And then we'll get started. Thank you very much, commissioner. Thanks for uh giving senator hester.

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Recognition for her participation in south carol, that was very nice of her to be active with.

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Their county, I have a proclamation here for the partnership for a healthier carroll, county 2022.

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Outstanding rural health program award winner, whereas the partnership for a healthier carroll.

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County incorporated carroll county anti-stigma, resiliency efforts, care program received the 2022.

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Outstanding rural health program award on october 24 2022, the maryland rural health association's.

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Annual meeting and award ceremony and the rural health awards are part of the rural impact awards.

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Recognizing individuals and organizations and rural communities, where outstanding.

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Development and health efforts, the partnership for a healthier carroll county, an affiliate of carroll.

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County hospital and the carroll county health department is a private non-profit organization.

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Working to improve health by connecting people inspiring action and strengthening community.

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The partnership for a healthier carroll county is a leader and healthy community strategies.

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Working to promote healthy lifestyles, inspire leadership, track, emerging health issues, influence.

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Policies that impact health, oversee community health assessments and monitor health data to.

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Regularly check the pulse of the community and care established in september 2018.

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Seeks to improve the lives of those struggling with mental health or substance abuse disorders.

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Or conditions by increasing knowledge, reducing discrimination and removing barriers to treatment.

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And recovery, the care program works to dispel myths, overcome stigma and provide tools for.

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Communicating effectively about behavioral health to give awareness and understanding.

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To those who need help and the board of carroll county commissioners is grateful.

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To have the partnership for healthier carroll county in the community, we agree that stigma is.

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The largest barrier to people seeking help from mental health and substance, abuse disorders and.

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Are especially thankful that the partnership for healthcare carroll county incorporate care.

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Program addresses this issue now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, wish.

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To recognize and congratulate the partnership for healthier carroll county inc for receiving a 2022.

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Outstanding rural health program award and thank them for the many supportive services offered to.

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Improve our overall health of carol k residence. Now we hereby proclaim thursday december 1st 2022.

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As partnership for healthier carroll county day, signed by the commissioners, I can't thank all.

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These people, enough for what they do so much of mental health and addiction, is touching all.

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Of our lives, and then it was their partnership who has stepped up and help deliver resources.

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To citizens, I just gave a speech this week in toy town through a local church that does a.

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Drug treatment program and it's very touching- to see the lives that are impacted by people with.

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Addiction and how they overcome the recovery and that recovery comes from all of us. Caring about.

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One another- and this is part of it- thank you very much and I think we'll have the opportunity to.

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Recognize it again next week, as that was december 1st, as far as the date, which is interesting.

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um But uh loses um but who's counting. I have you on the schedule with the three of you.

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And you're, obviously, here, first and foremost, congratulations as being the woman or citizen.

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Of the year person uh you're a whole lot more than that and really appreciate that it was a.

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Wonderful article and beautiful pictures as well, but um I do have here the historical.

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Society honorary membership induction and if one out the three of you come on up and share with us,.

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It's wonderful to have you guys here today.

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Well, thank you very much, commissioners, and uh in that article, in carol magazine, I noted.

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Specifically that uh I feel that I represent every man, because we have a community of folks.

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Who work very very hard and the things you've outlined all kinds of activities going on, involve.

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So many volunteers and people that really work together. But I want to thank you for being the.

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Superstars and working so hard over the last four to eight years to do a fabulous job of managing.

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Our county, through the most difficult period of covid, there are always difficult things on your.

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Agenda, but that certainly was an additional heavy lift and you have done a superb job for so many.

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Institutions countless things that you have and the fantastic staff that have maintained carroll.

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County as a very effective wonderful place to live, so we just wanted to come and thank you.

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For your continued and sustained support of the historical society of carroll county, you have a.

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Lot on your plate- and it has really meant a lot to us to have you- support the historical society.

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And come to historical society events, so right now our executive director jason is going to present.

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To you honorary membership in the historical society of carroll county, and we hope that you.

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Will be able to continue to join us for events and that we will continue to be in touch and with.

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Our heartfelt thanks absolutely thank you, please thank you and I like that. Also echo lynn's remarks.

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Thank you that the historical society is great grateful for your support and also as a support.

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The commissioners had for history in general. We look at history as what really is the unique.

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Identifying characteristics of carroll county and the board has recognized the significance.

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Of our carroll county, local history and I think that's to be commended because the pathway forward.

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Is often looking at the what's behind us and got us to where we are today, and we do thank you for.

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Recognizing the significance, contributions of the historical society and your recognition of county.

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History and how important it is to us as citizens, to know our past very well said, and thank you so.

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Much jason have a yeah. I just want to say um some of you know that I was born in westminster and.

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Then life took me out of the county and then happenstance, I'm back here in carroll, county.

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And I just um I'm sort of filled with wonder and it's just amazing that I seem to be stumbling.

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Upon such a fortunate situation here I have lynn as our as our board chair and then this um the.

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Commissioners, here that have been so supportive of of not only the historical society but of me and.

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um I know you guys just show up for everything for history and I'm very appreciative of that and.

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I want to say that, early next year the historical society is going to be unveiling a strategic plan.

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And it's very exciting: I'm seeing it develop behind the scenes and I think our community in.

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The county is going to be really proud of what we we share out with the community, so keep that.

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On your radar, thank you and happy thanksgiving to all and have a very happy thanksgiving. Thank.

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You so much yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much and lynn. We expect bigger things from you in the.

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Future [laughter]. Thank you all very much. Okay, judge hecker come on up and keep us straight.

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It's a heck of a job. It is a heck of a job hey good morning.

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Good morning, good morning, that's a perfect.

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Segway, you probably saw the article in last week's carol sunday, carroll county times, kevin.

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Dehoff's feature in the life and time section in the history of the historic courthouse in carroll.

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County and the laying of the cornerstone in 1838, so I tried never to read kevin dehoff stuff.

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So good morning and was not in any of the pictures I just want in 1838 the.

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Record reflecting this stuff, actually that could reflect that was mr burke's comment. [Laughter].

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That was almost funny [laughter], for me is as good as it gets, not bad sure. It's not bad. We're.

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At the top of your game have a good morning, and thanks for putting me at the top of the.

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Agenda this morning, absolutely I I I'm asking for your approval this morning uh for the submission.

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Of a grant to the administrative office of the courts, it's a security grant to improve.

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Security features in the courthouse in the annex, specifically, no funds are required from the county.

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This is a judiciary funded grant in the amount of 8 600 and thirty one dollars and four cents.

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I will tell you that that's based on current estimates, so if uh it that figure is subject.

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To change and if it changes I'll, need to come back and ask for approval to submit a supplemental or.

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Amended grant, but this is part of an ongoing project to operate upgrade security features.

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In the courthouse and the details of that are contained in the briefing paper, so, okay, thank you.

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um I'll move the border commissioners approve the submission of the ay 2023 courthouse security.

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Funding request of eight thousand six hundred thirty one dollars and four cents and accept.

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The award second got a motion. Second, any discussion seen here, none all in favor all.

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Right, thank you so much. Thank you all right. I suppose this is the last time I'll appear.

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Before this board is presently constituted, so I want to thank each and every one of you for the.

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Working relationship that this board and the court has had to accomplish our common goals.

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In the county, each and every one of you has really shown your dedication and commitment to.

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To the importance of the judiciary and its functioning, and I appreciate that very much.

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So- and I wish you all well, those of you who are not remaining on uh in your future endeavor so.

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But you also wish the one that is remained well as well. I mean I'm hoping condolences.

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And congratulations to the commissioner. Thank you very much. I'm very grateful that you come here. You.

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You don't have to necessarily come in front of us, but I think it's very important for the public to.

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See several branches, the govern government coming together and working these things out. It's been.

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An honor to work on this board and serve with you in this capacity, so thank you very much. My.

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Pleasure. Thank you. I'd like to just do this one more time. Yes, judge. Could you approach the bench.

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See, there's just something about that. I don't know.

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It's just you know that may reverse on you in the future.

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You guys have a uh thank you so much. Thank you happy thanksgiving. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

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Is your pilgrim, thailand? Perfect? Thank you. Okay. Let's talk about the board of health.

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And convene uh well, you have to convene, is the board of health right. So, let's convene.

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His board of health: do we adjourn in open session, convenient board.

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Of health, so I need a motion to adjourn or recess recess. Make a motion to recess.

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Second, all in favor aye make a motion to sit as the board of health how's that second.

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All in favor aye aye, okay, yeah, we are the boys. Do you feel different? You feel healthier a little.

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Different, I feel different, I feel different, just something about it. The air cleared up. I.

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Don't know what it's sue and rob in front of me. I feel different. I feel good thanks for having.

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Us today, commissioners, um I will be doing most of the talking sue's recovering from a head cold.

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I mean I'm sure she'll chime in when she feels like. I want to hear listen to this and I'm not.

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Going to take my mask off, okay, clearly not what we want anybody, a call before the holidays. We.

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Have representatives from all our bureaus here and we're going to move through these slides.

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That are a summary of the annual report that um I think you've got in front of you.

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So we're just going to give you some highlights from uh about the health of carroll, county and.

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The work that all the various bureaus are doing at the carroll county department of.

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Health, so this is just a summary slide of our mission and values, a mission statement.

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um Preserving protecting and promoting a healthy environment for the entire community.

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um Summary slide for demographics and income, all of which you're well aware. I'm sure.

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Next slide, so this is the first uh important piece of information, so these uh are some of our.

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um Health indicators and health risk factors and outcomes. The green ones are ones where we are.

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Doing better than the state in general and the red ones are where we are lagging behind and you can.

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See, uh for example, lyme disease. uh You know we're a rural community. We've just got a lot of lime out.

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There, so that's some I'll play a an issue where we are lagging behind the rest of the community.

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um Tobacco use is another one, obesity.

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um I'm sorry tobacco we're doing not as well but obesity we're doing pretty well compared.

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To the state and unfortunately, we have a higher suicide rate here in the county than statewide.

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Summary slide with chronic conditions um again how we're doing relative to the rest of the state.

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You can see on the bottom there, hypertension and mental health are two areas where we are have a.

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Bigger problem than the the rest of the state, there also are two areas that are prioritized.

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By both the health department and the hospital being addressed, you see top causes of mortality.

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um Covid-19 is creeping up, but still well behind heart disease and cancer.

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um And these are just county deaths in 2020, so we, you know, these are the most recent.

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Summary statistics that we have that accident category uh doc is that that automobiles for.

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The most part, okay yeah, but although there's probably others in there, okay, but that's that's.

C

Just in general, if it's considered an accident correct of whatever type and that's right, okay,.

K

uh So that our um these are now the summaries for each uh bureau, so we're going to get into.

K

uh And then, first of all, the uh our our budget, you can see um most of our budget.

K

Is comes from uh grant funding category designated and categorical grants and then.

K

um The rest, the balance comes from you all uh carol, the county government and then the state.

K

Of maryland core funding, and then we have a smaller percentage. That's um paid services.

K

So first up from the bureaus is the prevention, wellness and recovery services kathy.

M

Coughing and then marie hi everybody take my mask off. That's all right just so. You can hear.

M

It so we are the bureau of prevention, wellness recovery, known in the health department, that way.

M

um And we also house the local behavioral health authority, so we have direct oversight.

M

Of most of the providers in the community that provide substance, use or mental health services,.

M

In the community we are integrated, we have an integrated agreement with access carroll.

M

um I think most of you know we train the cit officers in the county that are those.

M

Specialized in mental health services for our community, we do community planning. We have.

M

Harm reduction substance use prevention, which I think we presented linda, is retiring this year I.

M

Think most of you knew that and that she will be replaced with amy legel for an incoming. um We on.

M

House state care coordination, which is a special grant. We get from the state to help those being.

M

Released from detention or level 3.3 to 3.5 levels of care, which are the higher end levels of care to.

M

Help them get reintegrated with the community, we have it and had an esmart grant, which was a samsa.

M

Grant to do specialized services for children zero to eight. That grant has ended, but we are going to.

M

Continue doing services with ccysb, who was our partner in that grant, so we have a little bit.

M

Of funding and we've also applied for another specialized grant to help those children so.

M

um We house peer recovery support services, our path, which is the projects for assistance for.

M

Transitioning from homelessness, so we try to help people that you know want to get out of.

M

Homelessness into apartments and those kinds of things maryland: community criminal justice.

M

Treatment program is a specialized service for in the detention center. For those that.

M

Have serious and persistent mental illness we do re-entry programming with the detention center.

M

And our lead with westminster pd is that law enforcement diversion, which is a diversion effort.

M

Prior to arrest, so we have case management that helping individuals prior to the officer arresting.

M

At any time, during that work, they can arrest the individual if things progress to that level,.

M

We have a suicide prevention coalition, we do school screenings for substance use and we.

M

Have our quick response team? That's we partner with westminster pd to do direct dispatch for.

M

Overdoses in the in westminster city limits with to appear and a case manager and our start family.

M

Mentor, which is specialized with dhs, we have a peer over there, working with moms that are.

M

Usually addicted to some substance, whether it's alcohol or opiates, so I think the next screen is.

M

Her middle crisis team, which the county does put 130 000 into provided 804 new cases. This.

M

Past year and 142 face-to-face follow-ups for that stabilization of those individuals and completed.

M

115 safety plans, the team operates 16 hours a day, there's the numbers for our specialized services.

M

For those children zero to eight, um our cit officers intervened with our trained 21 officers.

M

And included eight student resource officers this year, law enforcement diversion resulted in two.

M

New arrests for diversion and six referrals, cit completed 185 behavioral health referrals, those.

M

Behavioral health referrals come directly to the health department. One of our social worker reaches.

M

Out to those individuals to get them connected to service, if they're not already connected and 12 of.

M

The individuals and two families were helped with housing through the continuum of care grant and.

M

Then, to just to spotlight our suicide numbers as dr whack referenced, the numbers are high 50.

M

524 people went to the ed for attempted suicide or self-intentional harm. Some of those referrals.

M

Were done on mobile crisis and, as you can see, the numbers are greater for females both genders are.

M

White and those that are under 18 is 32.6 percent, which is very concerning to us and then our 18 to.

M

29 year olds are 27.3 and then going up. We also have some seniors in that mix at 3.6. For those.

M

Over 65. and then I apologize stand the slide for a second, but first shoot did you need water? You.

A

Want, I think, I'm good okay. Well, I mean probably just get you a bottle of water stressed right. I'm.

L

Sorry I'm used to her. I try to stop coughing, no, no, that that's okay, um but um staying on the slide.

A

The um cause and effects you know it was brought to you know our attention, along with you know,.

A

Dr whack, about cause and effects of covid-19 and saying that we as a government in a county did not.

A

Have a successful, you know, prevention that we were looking to have um when it came to um the rules.

A

And you know adjustments necessary to prevent you know the spread of covid and other. You know.

A

Activities associated with covid what I mean, what are your thoughts about this I mean.

A

Is this due to covid is this I mean, should we like have not done the things we did or what are your.

A

What are your thoughts, so the a connection between these mental health challenges we're having and.

K

Covid yeah and then also you know, I don't know if you're going to get into uh the activities.

A

That we did because we need to learn the lessons whether we did what was right or should we have.

A

Changed I just want to reiterate that, prior to covid, we had been here talking about how.

L

Concerned we were about the suicide numbers, especially the under 18 population. We actually.

L

Had the highest number of attempted suicides and successful suicides in that group age group in the.

L

State and we started to look at that and started to put some things in place. One of the things that.

L

um We believed attributed to that was that our schools put in place the um and I'm going to.

L

Blank on it soros, you know the sources of strength, okay, which then trained not just the teachers, but.

L

You know the custodians, the lunch, ladies, so that they overheard somebody saying something so one of.

L

The things we learned from that when I worked with the behavioral health task force with the schools.

L

Was that sometimes we reacted too quickly to what somebody said like? Oh, I just failed that test. My.

L

Parents are going to kill me, I might as well just go home and you know, take some pills or whatever.

L

And people would react to that, and that is not in in hindsight a bad thing that we're reacting to it.

L

But um when we looked at how many um interventions the school system was doing, it was 10 times what.

L

Any other school system was doing because they were trained to listen for these cues and they.

L

Were hearing them and it's better to check with somebody that doesn't have a plan and really isn't.

L

Looking to do harm to themselves than is to not check with them and then have something happen.

K

So, commissioners, to follow up on the rest of your questions, so as ms doyle correctly points.

K

Out, we've always had a mental health and suicide problem in this county long before.

K

Coven, so there's that so that that that's a very strong piece of evidence that the.

K

Interventions that the county tried to implement and probably had zero impact on that problem, but.

K

The other equally compelling point against that is that our county, despite your efforts.

K

Didn't have as strict of restrictions as many other counties around the area right, in fact,.

K

There are people who actively worked against those restrictions and almost certainly made.

K

Our covet experience worse because of that, and so that would argue that it's in fact the opposite.

K

That that, if there was any relationship to between covid interventions and our mental health problems,.

K

That the lack of interventions may have made it worse rather than the interventions themselves.

K

Making it worse, lack of intervention may have made it worse it just. uh I appreciate, because.

A

You know sometimes it's easy to find a scapegoat, you know and say this is why and it's not true.

A

You know uh there there's a lot of things out there about all of these doctors being you know.

A

Not real, like dr fauci, in the cdc and everybody knows better than all of these or nih, I'm like.

A

These are really brilliant people, you know, and we use it as a scapegoat. um It's not that I blindly.

A

Follow but I'm pretty amazed at the level of nih and cdc and the others that look out for us.

A

um And to try to implement the right, you know responsible approaches that we do um so for.

A

People to say that, for all of our efforts in over seeing this, we actually caused more. I I want to.

A

Learn more from that, because you know knock on wood, we're never going to have another pandemic.

A

But I want to be prepared the best we can and just say. Oh just do nothing because everything you did.

A

Did absolutely nothing to prevent I'm like well? Is that true or not it's not it's not, and it's very.

A

Clear, it's not so anybody who says it is, you know, needs to understand it's not so I appreciate that.

M

Yeah, I think the data prior to covid pandemic will show that suicide's been on the rise in.

M

This community yeah- I can remember sitting here in 2015 when I first took office or one of the first.

C

Years in office, looking at these statistics- and we asked then what's going on because they were.

C

They were high and that was in 2015. yeah, there's a lot of stigma in the community about it. You know.

M

Seek reaching out, for you know, behavioral health services, whether it's substance use or it's mental.

M

Health people, you know, don't want to look frowned upon. You have special, you know, depending on where.

M

You're employed some of that gets impacted um those kinds of things, so I think some of that.

M

Is you know until we break through the stigma, and we did do an anti-stigma campaign with the.

M

Partnership, um putting signs out to really kind of break through that communication and.

M

Have a conversation about just like sue said: if somebody's feeling down have a conversation with.

M

Them don't walk over it. You know yeah taking our time talking about this to me is very important. I.

A

um I was interviewed a few times as we were getting ready to build the resiliency center on.

A

Fort meade, and one of them was just that silencing the stigma and, in my own challenges with demons.

A

Doing the right thing, because it all started from multiple suicides that occurred and I could and.

A

Figure out how to stop them and wasn't on me to stop. But I was like: okay: let's build a plan and.

A

That's where we built this resiliency program to help silence the stigma, the cause of the pandemic.

A

Was so great that again, people were looking at that as a scapegoat, saying? Oh, we overreacted and.

A

Therefore, we caused more or you know if we would have left it alone, nobody would have died and.

A

All this kind of stuff and people don't remember: the hospitals were overfilled elective surgeries.

A

Didn't occur, cancer was not being diagnosed appropriately and people were being stuck in.

A

The emergency rooms and you don't get better in the emergency room. You know and well- and I also.

K

Point out that it's not over, there are about 3 000 americans a day die from covet still so this this.

K

Is not we're not finished right that takes a toll yeah? No, I I really appreciate it because I don't.

A

Like when people crash other people as a scapegoat, so okay and along with his death, then becomes the.

M

Grief from the loss- and you know those kinds of things- are impacted with families right. You know.

M

um You know I lost my mom due to coven, so I get it. You know it's just one of those things I gotta.

M

Look at get help for and talk through it. You know and not put your head in the sand and just think.

M

It's going to go away because absolutely rain. My dad passed a few months ago again with covet, is.

A

The number one reason so: okay, if I made it I'd, reiterate what you said: the loss of a loved one.

B

Affects one's own personal, mental health as well having lost a daughter, I understand very much.

B

My concern is about the 32.6 percent of suicides under 18.. Has that figure ever ever been that high.

B

In our community before well, I can't answer that without going back and looking at the data, but I.

M

Can tell you, the numbers are increasing they're, scary, looking numbers and even you know, along.

M

With our adolescent overdoses, they're increasing as well, which is concerning so um we're trying to.

M

Do some efforts around that as well, so we'll have more information to bring back? We all know that.

B

There's a direct link between the mental health, the addiction and the suicide. I know personally.

B

In my experiences, my biggest concern about this number is going forward. What that means for us.

B

Dealing with these juveniles, turning into adults with suicide and addiction, it's going to be very.

B

Hard to pull that back in and whatever resources we as a local government can give you to help with.

B

That you are the professionals addressing this. I hope that is the next board comes in. They maintain.

B

This interest and how I believe dr whack is a pediatrician you're on the front line you see.

B

This on a daily basis- and I think we're very fortunate to have you in your position to help.

B

Address this, and as I move on to other positions, I'll do what I can at the state level to try to.

B

Secure some resources for us, because this these are horrible numbers and I'm fearful for our.

B

Children in the future, and I'm very grateful for all of you and the staff being on top of.

B

This so thank you very much for what you're doing. Thank you. You know. I just want to thank the board.

M

Too, for all the support you've given us as the behavioral health unit with mobile crisis and.

M

Other services and showing up at other events- and things like that, so I do want to thank you and.

M

Best wishes in your future endeavors whatever they may be. The linkage started between covid.

A

And this- and there is none that we should- I mean it- it happens, suicides and mental illness occurs.

A

And it's not a direct linkage in adolescent or children with covid and what we did were.

A

I want to say the best decisions were decisions made. uh You know to deal with this and I.

A

I honestly, I just can't sit idly when people trash other people saying you're wrong, because.

K

I think this board did the best it could given the situation and what the latitude you had to act and.

K

That what you did helped it didn't make anything worse. It helped, but thank you, but was it enough.

K

Yeah, you know I mean you, can ask that question of the entire country and and did kovid have other.

K

Consequences other than people getting sick and dying from covet. Absolutely right. You know, but.

K

But covet is not to blame for our long-standing pre-existing mental health challenges in this.

K

Community, correct, okay, thank you sure. Just real quickly, um prevention services served six thousand.

M

Ninety ninety six students and 4 347 community members, so prevention is reaching out to those.

M

Young individuals constantly about we have amy legels in the schools regularly teaching about.

M

The disease of addiction and those kinds of things peer services- you can see the numbers there and I.

M

Did go over the cit and we've provided 18 1856 doses of naloxone were distributed this year so.

M

um Is there any questions any of the numbers? I know it's just a lot of numbers and just to kind.

M

Of show you that we are working diligently in the community yeah that qrt the quick response.

M

Team you're only in the city they're only in westminster city, we have a pilot with them.

M

Right now, all right: the goal is to expand that, if there's interest to the other jurisdictions.

C

um I would hope there'd be interest yeah. You would think they would um forward-thinking.

K

Leadership there in the city of westminster, yeah yeah westminster, has the highest number.

M

Of overdoses in the community, secondly followed by tony town. I'm sorry would you like to repeat that.

C

I appreciate that, but I think it should I. I hope that it in the future- and I know that.

C

Chief robinson has been been looking at some of those uh those things as well to try to get out.

C

There so yes, your bh, your bh1 units or whatever their medical crisis, units yeah, they're, bh1 and.

M

Bh2 yeah they're, yes, they're running counts, yes, they are running and the numbers show it that.

M

They're out too okay, I just sometimes folks get those too confused, but I just yeah. I want.

C

Folks, to know that the bh units are on the road county-wide, absolutely okay and their numbers.

M

Readily available on our website, if anybody needs any services, they can also just reach.

M

Out to our behavioral health unit and we'll get them connected to services so yeah there is.

L

Lots of new money pouring into crisis services to city airport, yeah, right suicide rates and and on.

L

People needing services, my concern there is it's probably around 25 million. Almost my concern there.

L

Crisis, centers and when we know that in the western area, the county, regional.

L

Centers, don't work that well, even if you put it in the furthest point of you know.

L

Closest to us of washington county for five counties, it's not going to be as effective so.

L

I need to advocate for that to be more county-wide yeah, and I would also add that we got recently.

M

Got numbers from the sheriff's office right about their overnight calls for behavioral health goals.

M

And the numbers were high, so we are looking at potentially applying for a grant to have.

M

A third team for bh to make it 24 7.. So that's on the plate for our work to be done this year.

M

So that's a great program so yes always, and it helps first responders when they hear bh1 call.

C

Out on the air because absolutely they got the cavalries coming across the the ridge. So that's.

C

Good, absolutely: okay, thanks you're, welcome all right, we're gonna! Let me try this one bureau.

L

Of administration services: this is the services that we do county-wide or vital records. So that's.

L

Birth and death certificates, interpreter services, non-emergency medical assistance, transportation.

L

Which, over the next two years is scheduled to change? It will be a statewide contract.

L

um I I don't have any other information on that other than they're moving to a statewide.

L

Contractor for that services and they're putting them into an administrative services organization.

L

Where the units will bill for the the service that they provided so they'll build medicaid for.

L

That service, we do health planning communication on our social media, prepare grants, public health.

L

Preparedness and response and support services such as administrative support, budget and fiscal.

L

Human resources, information, technology and operations- we are totally 100 up and running.

L

Short of our wireless wi-fi that we had for the public so apparently there's some supply chain.

L

Demands that are causing some issues with getting products that we need. That's my understanding.

L

And then you have the numbers of what we divided this year in ethan, birth certificates.

K

So next up is our bureau of nursing and tierney yingling. Our director of nursing is here, but she.

K

Also is fighting a head cold, so I'm going to blow through these. You all need to open the doors up.

C

There what's going on up there, where's masks so and I'm not going to do these justice. They are a.

K

Nursing bureau does an enormous amount of work and I'm just going to hit some highlights here.

K

In these slides, um uh our administrative care coordination unit helps residents get connected.

K

With resources throughout the community, the heirs program, adult evaluation review services, is for.

K

Elderly folks, who may need additional support services, we have a breast and cervical cancer.

K

Screening program, the cigarette restitution fund program that handles all our anti-smoking.

K

And tobacco cessation programs, our communicable disease program, which, as you can imagine, has been.

K

Very busy and then our epidemiology, which handles our contact tracing as well, as does a lot of the.

K

Data collection and and sharing that you've seen in these reports, the cigarette restitution does.

A

That also deal with vaping. Yes, um I don't know if we have a specific program around vaping, but.

K

Vaping is included in I'm just nicotine products with vaping, but that is nicotine right well, it can.

K

Be but they're all other that's the problem with vaping is it's sort of in this gray area. It's the.

K

Vaping is really only the vehicle for delivering whatever you want. So, okay, there's kids out there.

K

Vaping thc, there's kids out there vaping, really anything they can get their hands on and but.

K

Nicotine is sort of the the gateway substance that that gets them into it, so these vape stores, that's.

A

The the tool they use to ingest whatever yeah it's many of them are flavored, so they you know they.

K

Taste like bubble gum, they taste like candy of different. You know it's it's bad and um I I have.

K

Friends of the family who, as young young adults, I mean we're talking teens and into early 20s, who.

K

Have already realized this has taken control of my life and it's just nicotine, and because it's.

K

Such an effective delivery vehicle- and it's discreet, it doesn't have the same social.

K

Stigma as smoking a cigarette, um so it's it's a real challenge, so the nicotine fixes faster.

A

With vaping than it is with cigarettes or other, uh I don't know, if there's solid data on that.

K

But but I think totally, it stands to reason it's because it's smaller particles that go deeper into.

K

Your lung, you don't have the all the irritating other chemicals that are in cigarette smoke, so.

K

It's not as unpleasant as an experience for the inexperienced smoker, so it's a real easy way for.

K

Kids, anybody to get hooked on nicotine, fast and parents don't see it as an issue. Oh yeah, that's.

A

A real fact I apologize to parents do not see it as an issue right, it just doesn't have the.

K

Stigma yet it doesn't have the tar and it's not corroding, it doesn't stink. I don't know what it's.

L

Doing it's not as dirty a habit as as cigarette smoking, yeah, okay and and sadly, it was initially.

C

Presented as the safer yeah alternative yeah, that's what I thought and it's like wait. What.

C

I mean anytime, your horse is a firefighter, I know ingesting things and you're alone. This is, you know.

C

I've been doing that generally 1980 too, except for oxygen yeah right, except for that, but only.

K

At 20, there's really no try to tell folks when it started it. You really think that's a safer.

C

Alternative yeah putting anything in there is not safe, so I don't know okay anyway. I appreciate that.

A

As well, this is a challenge for our school system as well. Absolutely my attention, yeah students will.

B

Run into the bathroom, they could be smoking thc with their vapes. I've heard stories of them doing.

K

It discreetly in class that that it's they're able to you know just hold this thing in their hand and.

K

You know go like this and don't worry about the pillar of smoke. Well, so some of them don't produce.

K

A visible cloud really yeah. It's it's interesting, okay! I there's a lot to learn, commissioner, we're.

C

Here, for you get into the cheap seats, where I sit, not where you sit he's had a shelter childhood.

K

Do and it's changing fast and it's changing faster than you know, for example, the school system. They.

K

Can't keep up with with all the ways kids have learned to circumvent any kind of controls on this.

K

Yeah we don't vape in the suites, maybe down there. Well, I had so I was going to say I had it. I had a.

C

Dude get taken out of there on sunday as a result. Yeah, oh they're, not allowed you can't. You can't do.

C

It in a stadium, they got reminder. When I went to school remember when we went to school, you used.

C

To if you wanted to smoke, you smoked out. First, you smoked in the bathroom and then they were.

C

Then they had it out on the porch and you know the smoking areas, but they do that at m t too, but.

C

You know these dudes are vaping in their seats and a lot of people are getting ticked off about that.

C

Yeah uh so yeah one dude got taken out of there on uh sunday, so well, okay, of course, he was probably.

C

Warmer in the end than I was but whatever, but what we won cool um continuing on with nursing programs.

K

We have our fetal and infant and child mortality review. This is a state mandated program where any.

K

Infant or child death in the county is reviewed by a team and looking for ways to prevent similar.

K

Tragedies going forward mship and medical assistance, we help connect residents with.

K

Insurance programs that they may be eligible for our maternal child health program runs.

K

All our childhood vaccination clinics, vision and hearing programs in the school, the best.

K

Beginnings, which is a prenatal care program and the infant's infants and toddlers program with.

K

Early intervention services for children with who may have special needs uh our oral health.

K

Programs around our dental clinic are booming, and then our reproductive health clinic for.

K

Family planning, services and sexually transmitted diseases for those who need them in the community.

K

You can see here a lot of numbers with the volume of of work that we do. I'm not.

K

Going to go through the whole thing, but you can see thousands and thousands and.

K

Thousands of encounters providing health services to the citizens of carroll county.

K

Next, up is bureau of environmental health services.

N

O

Is um my deputy just in case she has something to add.

O

I think you're all familiar with that program, but I'm going to go through each section and give.

O

You some highlights I'm going to start with our community hygiene program. There are food people.

O

They're responsible for our food inspections, we have approximately 700 food service facilities in.

O

The county, not only do we do food inspections, we do plan reviews for new facilities coming.

O

Into the county- and we also work jointly with our nursing bureau, when we have foodborne outbreaks.

O

And we do have foodborne outbreaks in the county. Luckily we don't have many, but we do have some.

P

See that I know we also are responsible in this section for air quality uh in the last.

O

Couple years we brought the burning program back to the health department, our burning.

O

Program is based on complaint generated and we work with the fire departments. Most of.

O

The calls we get on the weekends- and these are people that do not have burning permits, so they.

O

Have to put the the flyer out and go through the appropriate process to apply for a burning permit.

C

uh Insert burn barrels here: don't talk, burn bauer, okay, I'll just put it out.

C

You're, probably really going to be upset. When I don't call you anymore andrea, I will.

O

Yeah, it's okay, you can still call me okay. Thank you.

O

uh We're also responsible, we do camp inspections uh annually, uh school health and safety.

O

Inspections uh annually and we do have a state- has a tanning uh program. It's a complaint generated.

O

Program, I think we've gotten one complaint, probably in the last 10 years. Anything you.

O

Would like to add to that? No okay! I don't think so. I'm going to move on to our well and septic.

O

Pro program, uh that program is actually named new construction. uh They are responsible for issuing.

O

Permits for uh failing systems, so they do the perk test and do the inspection after the system's been.

O

Installed and they handle a lot of complaints overflowing sewage. Those types of things.

O

We have our development uh review section. There are raw land uh group they're doing the plan.

O

Reviews and the percolation test for our large subdivisions that are coming into the county.

O

uh They also at this point, are handling any.

O

Visits for a building permit if we need someone to go out and take a look at something before.

O

We will sign off on the building, permit they're doing that right now we have our water quality.

O

Section they're responsible for testing water. We still do some limited services, but there's a lot.

O

Of companies available that are state certified and we refer them to them because a lot of times.

O

It's a lot faster and it is a lot cheaper, but there are programs that we are responsible for.

O

And those are community programs through the state. We also handle the pool inspections and.

O

They are responsible for any sewage flows that may trickle into a stream or or near a body of water.

O

We work jointly with mde as far as posting and sampling they're, also responsible for any stagnant.

P

Water complaints that we would have over the the summertime spring summer, early fall generally, when.

P

They come through that could lead to a mosquito issue. We have our rabies prevention program. We.

O

Always say that that is the most important program that we handle in environmental health, because.

O

That's a life life or death program. We also work jointly with our nursing team. We handle the animal.

O

And nursing handles the human end, but we're usually the the one on the front line receiving.

O

The telephone calls from the hospitals and the doctors and the urgent care facilities so that.

O

We can coordinate with not only our nursing team, but the state as far as testing and any.

O

Type of vaccinations that need to be, if I may interrupt thanks for mentioning rabies, I think.

B

It's something that's been overlooked. What is the track record over the company? Is it like your pet.

B

Gets bit or is it contact with a wild animal? Do hunters get it it's it's all over. It's all of it.

B

So I was wondering how people can try to prevent it or avoid it. Is there any advice or signs to.

B

Look for they need to have their pets vaccinated, and that is that's a big critical thing that is.

O

The way to prevent it now, I'm not going to say that if you know if your dog gets in a fight.

O

With a raccoon, we're still going to put it in quarantine for 45 days, the dog gets boosted again.

O

um But that's better than having to euthanize the pet or to have it put it in a quarantine.

O

For six months, okay and that's what it used to be so prevention is um I'm saying about that.

B

Like an ounce of prevention or something there, you go, I mean that's the most and dr whack might.

O

Want to say something: yeah there's a couple other simple things: never handle a bat ever.

K

um And no problem with that, but if you see a a nighttime animal during the day.

K

Stay away from it, and especially if it's acting weird and a rabid animal is super obvious. You.

K

Know it's a it's an animal that doesn't show any fear and they're generally kind of staggering.

K

Around like they're drunk, and if I mean I will state from my experience as a hunter, I've walked.

B

Into the woods one time and during the middle of the day, I've seen a raccoon stumbling around.

B

I immediately knew I was a rabbit raccoon. Yes, I avoided it and from a distance I watched, I.

B

Watched it try crawl trees that fall off the trees. Two weeks later, I went back out hunting.

B

And he was in that scene, spot he'd probably died, so I totally avoid him. I advise all other hunters.

B

Stayed a heck away from them exactly, and this is why we provide uh currently we're doing it.

O

Twice a year our rabies, vaccination clinic for the county. It's a low-cost clinic that.

O

We have at the ag center, we have it in the fall and then we have it in the spring and.

O

um People can bring their pets, and I mean a lot of people, bring their barn cats and there might be 25.

O

Barn cats that these people bring- and they do they do and we're glad that they do um so that uh we.

O

Can have these animals vaccinated and we also have a lot of um facilities in the county that have.

O

Moved into the county, I don't want to say by name that provide these vaccinations also, every weekend.

O

At low cost, so so we should stop using herd and cats because apparently somebody's doing it.

P

I heard well [laughter] that area and bring them over. I guess farmers have a much broader.

B

Exposure because possums and raccoons get in their barns, they get to the food. Absolutely.

B

Like their cats- and you know- we've quarantined cows- we've quarantined horses, so you know they.

O

Do get exposed as well quarantine, commissioners, I don't know so the the last um section that we.

O

Have under environmental health is our health, education, section and they're responsible for.

O

A lot of things but car seat checks, uh injury prevention, chronic disease prevention and they.

O

Do a lot of outreach, not just for the health department but for health education in general.

C

Are you still doing the train, the trainer kind of program for the car seat thing or not? Okay,.

C

So you don't, we've had folks call the fire station and wait. I think we have the guys.

C

Still there, but anyway, you know referring them to the health department, it's easier. If you have.

C

Several out in the wherever and as you know, things kind of slowed down a little during code that we.

O

Weren't doing but they're really amping back up and providing full service. So, okay, good all right.

Q

Okay, thank you. Moving on, this is just some summary data about our coveted services.

K

Over the last fiscal year, see thousands and thousands of vaccines and tests administered.

K

um A lot of contact tracing efforts, um you know over 100 outbreaks at long-term care.

K

Facilities, child, you know, 22, child care and child care facilities, and then the schools.

K

um We are continuing to report our data to the state as required, and the state.

K

In turn puts out summary data that I think you guys all see that or have access to that.

K

um So on our current dealings with respiratory viruses, carroll county is being hammered by these.

K

The same as everywhere else in the state and in the country, the big ones are, in addition to covid.

K

Influenza is huge for the southeast right now is, is being torn up by influenza rsv and then.

K

There are also the rhinoviruses, the respiratory enteroviruses. It's just a big stew of viruses is.

E

Rsv really exploding this year. I've heard so much more about that than I have in the past.

E

So uh it is exploding, but it is not exploding in in a way that's different than other years.

K

Where it has exploded, it's just gotten a lot of attention. The media is sort of hyper sensitized to.

K

Respiratory viruses now so, and it's just made for a sexy scary story to talk about ooh. You know, but.

K

um Rsv has I'm sorry sales paper sales papers, rcv's been around my entire medical career we've.

K

Been dealing with rsv bad rsv outbreaks, um you know every like every three to five ten years.

K

They come, they make kids, especially small kids, premature kids, terribly sick, but they also make.

K

Adults, sick, especially if you have asthma or you're, an otherwise vulnerable elderly person,.

K

And so what's what's a little different about this year? Is that we're getting hit with the.

K

Flu and rsv and we're still dealing with covid and it's just a the confluence of a.

K

Lot of bad stuff at the same time is there any? Are there vaccinations for rsv? No, unfortunately,.

K

Not so that's been something again, my entire medical career that they've been working on.

K

You know this gets into the complexities of vaccine development and the unique attributes.

K

Of these different viruses and how they interact with your body and the immune system,.

K

Rsv is just a difficult bug to develop an effective vaccine for they've been trying.

K

For decades and there have been other treatments that have kind of come and gone, and you know but.

K

It's still a scourge and we don't have any super effective um vaccines. For I'm sorry, there is a.

K

A vaccine for premature babies that they that they use that is effective enough, that it helps.

K

Protect the premature babies, but there isn't a widespread childhood immunization for rsv. Yet.

L

You want to say anything about the hospital, oh uh yeah, so our our partners at carroll hospital.

K

Are getting slammed with this stuff um and uh on top of there are already existing capacity.

K

Issues and staffing issues, so we've been working with them to try to get messaging.

K

Out about appropriate use of hospital resources when it's appropriate to go to the emergency.

K

Room when it's not that sort of thing how to use urgent care more effectively, that sort of thing.

K

And then um just some other community health updates about.

K

um Covid um the flu monkey pox. Thankfully it seems to have um it's not gone yet, but it doesn't seem.

K

To be that, it's going to turn out to be a big problem. um Our medical assistance program.

K

We're about to we're nowhere into open enrollment through january, and the medicaid renewals will.

K

Have been extended through january 31st of next year, our mobile unit will be coming online soon.

K

This is our new mobile clinic that we're hoping to use a lot once we have it up and up and.

K

Running and hoping to you know, push services and we're going to looking at collaborating with the.

K

Hospital to do this push these push services out into parts of the county. Where there's some need.

K

uh Andrew you want to come back and talk about this or you want me to do it.

L

Orbs too, you want to do it, go for it so continue to have staffing challenges in the environmental.

L

Health bureau- um I believe we've talked about this a number of times with you um with five.

L

Open positions within the bureau right now, two are supervisory and for your field staff we have two.

L

Additional staff leave. We have managed to hire um a few with with challenges, so um I'm going to do.

L

This out of order, we had 100 people on the list we sent 97 emails out. We had seven people respond.

L

For the positions of those we selected four to be hired, they all requested salaries above base.

L

So base salary, I believe, is thirty. Four thousand forty for training. It's like 40 45 46 between 48.

L

000 and 65 000., um two of the candidates selected, were determined not to be eligible and unable to.

L

Achieve a certificate of eligibility from the abortive environmental health, so there's a a.

L

More complicated process for the hiring of these individuals, this is not unique to carroll county.

L

This is a statewide issue in some other counties. I believe, commissioner, rothschild rosting. I'm sorry.

L

Blame it on the congested head and blame it on the mask. It's all good and you're staying.

L

um They received all the either elected officials. The heads of the commissioners received a letter.

L

Stating that they had some proposals in the works which include- and I can't remember the name of.

L

What they're calling them circuit riders circuit writers? That's what they're calling them, which.

L

Are they have contracted with companies who do not have the training that the people were trying to.

L

Hire would need who do not have the education that the people that we're trying to hire need and the.

L

Expectation is that we, our staff, would train them and then that the county or the health department.

L

Would pay then pay that 150 to 200 an hour to do the work of these individuals that we can't find.

L

Positions for we did not in carroll county mark ourselves as critical. We believed that we could.

L

At least get um the baseline of job that needed to be done done and then prioritize those things.

L

That come up and bubble up to the surface and we felt that that was the right decision. Because.

L

We did not want to put ourselves in a place that we were hiring people that were unskilled.

L

Unqualified uneducated and asking our staff to then provide their training and then they get.

L

Paid five times what our staff are being paid, that is not going to happen so we're going to.

L

Look for other alternatives, so we were able to hire two three three total right. We hired um two.

O

From the state list, all they weren't from the same list, we've pulled the list two times and.

O

We were able to hire one gentleman from uh kelly professional services, I'm not sure how many we.

O

Will be able to hire that way because there's a tremendous cost associated with that type of hire.

O

Right, we do have a gentleman that is working on contract with us. We're very thankful he's.

O

Working weekends and he's coming in and covering some vacations for our staff. um We've had him.

O

About six months and we're, like, I said, we're very thankful- he used to work for us. He just.

O

Works for our home rural county, which allows him to work for the state. There's no ethical issue, so.

O

um He's been very helpful and I believe how harford county helped us out, so we we asked.

O

That that was a wonderful opportunity. I contacted the director from harford county and I need you to.

O

Realize that we lost our food supervisor and we have three trainees in the food program so with.

O

That in mind we have three stuff with not a lot of experience, so I contacted the director in harford.

O

County and I was able to send two of those staff there, two to three days a week for eight weeks.

O

They came back fully trained, lisa has already let one loose and we're going to um do some follow-up.

O

Training uh next week and hopefully that one will be out on the field out in the field. So.

O

um It's been a struggle, so we're continuing to recruit for the field supervisor.

L

For um for um so, the positions that we currently have opened are we have.

O

um Two supervisors: the food supervisor position. um We have the new construction position.

O

We have two people are needed in new construction and actually one person is needing to do.

O

Construction and two people in development review- and I also left lost my other deputy director.

O

So these are all for our retirements we've. Had people move out of state and we've had people go.

O

Mainly to private industry or to state service at you know a higher level. This issue is being.

L

Worked on on multiple levels, with the state with mde and with us, so we're doing our best to problem.

L

Solve as we go and look for other opportunities, you know again I'll repeat the challenges that we.

L

Have being in carroll, county, baltimore, county and um howard county, our home rule counties, and they.

L

Use a different hiring scale: baltimore county will not hire a trainees which makes us the training.

L

Ground for baltimore county, so people will come here, get hired as a trainee, get their training and.

L

Then move on to a job, that'll pay them twenty thousand dollars more. In addition to that,.

L

Frederick county is now working on a stipend which they will be offering starting in fy.

L

24 howard county already offers a stipend and harford county, so most of the larger counties.

L

Either offer more money as starting salaries because their home role or they offer stipends.

L

From the county to supplement the um salary so that they can get skilled individuals in so that's.

L

Where we're at with the end, that concludes our presentation. Unless you have questions.

L

On anything, we did no, I think it was very thorough and really appreciate all the work and wishing all.

A

Of you get healthier as time moves on. I think so too, because I know it's got to be very frustrating.

A

But uh no, I think you know you're setting the stage for the 60-second board to come in uh to.

A

Have the ability listen, learn for what you have shared and I'm looking forward to that as well?.

A

um Because it is a slothra, I think, is the right word of information and and.

A

Departments and division- I mean it's a word. I typically don't use a lot.

A

um So uh but thank you um any comments. No thank you. For the last eight years we've seen.

C

Faces some of the faces have changed. Some of them have been here and have listened to me.

C

Ask a lot of questions looking at you, but I you know you always come up with. Sometimes.

C

We didn't agree, but we, you always came up with with answers and we worked through.

C

Those situations, so I appreciate um all of you and what you've done uh sue. You were a.

C

A great addition, as you stepped in and dr whack. What can we say about you? I mean you've, uh you've.

C

Come on board and done a great job, yeah most bad. Let me just leave it there. Leave it at that.

C

But thank you all very much for all the hard work that you do up there. Folks don't realize.

C

How much gets accomplished up there on the hill and it's very important that they see this and.

C

I hope the outreach continues, so. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah I'd like to say thank you. As.

E

Well, for everything that you've done, especially through covet it was, you haven't gone through.

E

That, before and and to help the communication back and forth really was outstanding. I really.

E

Appreciate it, thank you very much. I stepped up yeah, it was tough and I will add it. There's a.

B

Little bit of iron area health department's sick, but I think back that when I had small children.

B

My co-workers like, why are you always sick you're, not healthy? I was like I have little children like.

B

Whatever the latest strain is they brought home to me? So I appreciate all the sacrifice you all.

B

Made you dealt with a lot of mental stress over the covet policies: physical stress as as being.

B

Sick and I'm looking forward to moving forward and helping you all in any way possible to address the.

B

Situations we're faced with, regardless of how we wound up here. The fact is, we are here and I.

B

Have a very grave concern about our children as as well, you do and looking forward to meeting.

B

With y'all in the future and helping in any way possible to address these issues because you're.

B

The experts on it, I'm just a facilitator if you have a policy or need come to me brief me, and I.

B

Can try to sell it because for me, seeing those numbers are suicide so level like so high of a.

B

Level for juveniles is very very concerning for me, and I want to do everything I can.

B

To help you, I've lost the steps under suicide. I've lost a daughter to opioids, and I know how.

B

Devastating this is personally to me, and I know how devastating is out there. Everyone out there.

B

In a public deal with this is a national crisis and you are on our front line. Helping us bless, you.

C

Hey I'm going to email you, my personal sale, andrea.

C

So, just just so, when you see it come up, you go nope. It's already in my phone auto.

D

Delete thank you guys and stay healthy black offered us an out, and I told him I.

L

Felt like I needed to be here for the board of health meeting defying doctor's orders.

K

I'm a good nurse. That's right! I need a motion to adjourn the uh during this. Second. Okay, all in.

A

Favor aye aye, okay, I need a motion to resume our open session. I don't want to do that. [Laughter].

C

Did anybody do it all right? No, he said no, oh somebody else. I need a motion to open.

A

Okay, let's move on to item number three fy 22 audit and annual comprehensive. Thank you.

B

I think that sounds really exciting. It is exciting, maybe for you, okay, miss hobbs. What.

R

I live for, live and breathe this we have to review this to read it before you give it right.

R

Speed read, um prepare read, this is on you, go for it all right good morning, commissioners.

R

um With me joining me today is mr dan kenny he's from our audit firm, cohen, resnick.

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um And he will be addressing the board on the annual audit results for fy 22.. So as we annually.

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Come before you with um the results this year, we'll be providing you, the fy, 22 county results.

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As well as releasing the county financial statements now known as the act for annual.

R

Financial report annual comprehensive financial report- um the audit financial semen- is required by.

R

The state law and we use these documents to meet requirements that are required by the federal and.

R

State government, as well as granting agencies and other agencies, as well as bond markets,.

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um And disclosures to meet the county requirements. It's again, this report contains our single audit.

R

Which is the audit of our grant money? So that's in here federal grant money by the way.

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um Fy 22 was another substantial year as we're finishing with the crf funds, we're ramping up on.

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The arpa funds and other grants have increased as a result of covid funding. We're very pleased.

R

To say that we received an unmodified opinion, which is our goal means we have a clean audit.

R

um And there are financial, no, these financial numbers are what the rating agencies use as.

R

Their baselines to look at that to give us our aaa rating um following your acceptance of any.

R

And any comments on this: we will be posting these and releasing these to the public online.

R

Later on today, so with that, I'm going to turn it over to mr kitty. Mr congratulations on the.

A

Hard work and appreciation for this, as it took quite some time. Thank you, as we all know, but.

A

um Really do appreciate your leadership and your teams in preparedness. So, sir, okay, thank you. Jenny.

S

Good morning, commissioners, I'm dan kenny partner with cohn resnick here to present the june 30 2022.

S

Annual comprehensive financial report for carroll county this morning we're going to go through the.

S

Independent auditor's report, the internal control letter, the compliance letter with respect to the.

S

Federal programs, the management letter and then those charged with governance. So the first item.

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Is the independent auditor's report I want to let you know that there's a new auditing standard out.

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There sas number 134, which talks about reporting. So if you were to take this opinion and compare it.

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To last year, the format has changed, however, the scope of our work did not change at all.

S

Let's point out some of the differences in the report: if you look now, the report indicates that.

S

The opinions is in the front of the report and there's also clarifying language with respect.

S

To management's responsibility and auditor's responsibility, as ms hobbs mentioned, you have.

S

Received an unmodified opinion. In our opinion, the financial statements are fairly presented for the.

S

Year-Ending june 30 2022 for carroll county the basis for our opinions. We conduct our audit in.

S

Accordance with government auditing standards and generally accepted auditing standards.

S

And if you look under page 16 on the independent auditor's report, it talks about the five areas.

S

Where we look at and that's noted in the bullet points there, it also discusses.

S

The required supplementary information with respect to the mdna, the pension and the opeb.

S

You go to page 17. Paragraph discusses the supplementary information within your acfr.

S

And then because you have received federal funding, we also issue a report on internal.

S

Control over financial reporting- and that is mentioned on page 17.,.

S

Moving on to page 215, it's quite a jump. That's quite a quite a jump. We sped red through it.

S

Exactly exactly you guys are sharp group, so on 215. This is where we talk about the internal control.

S

Over financial reporting and then compliance and other matters with respect to compliance and other.

S

Matters, there were no instances and non-compliance noted and under internal control over financial.

S

Reporting there are two findings that we have, which we'll go over a little bit later,.

S

If you go to page 217, this is your opinions with respect to the major federal programs that we.

S

Tested and the county has complied in all material respects with the major programs that we tested.

S

Okay, moving on page 220, this is your sifa identifies all of the federal dollars.

S

That you have expended during the year, it goes from 220 all the way up through 227.

S

On 228, it talks about the notes with respect to the schedule of expenditures of federal awards.

S

Page 229 summarizes the fact that you have received an unmodified opinion.

S

And then, if we go to page 230, this is where it discusses the five programs that we tested with.

S

Respect to the federal programs, and then, as I mentioned before, there were two findings within.

S

The internal control area- and this is noted on finding 2022-001 and the first finding- was.

S

Related to gaspi 87, that's a new standard that was implemented relating to lisa's and there.

S

Were sort of some adjustments that we had to make um management is going to undertake a.

S

More significant review of that particular area, and um so they you know they hope they.

S

Will correct that for next year and then, if you look at finding number 2022-002, this is.

S

Finding related to grant revenues related to fee for service grants, a lot of entities have.

S

Received you know tremendous amount of funding, but federal and state, and this finding relates to that.

S

Moving on to the management letter, two areas to note here under fixed assets, the fact that.

S

You have construction and progress and those particular items weren't placed in in service.

S

They have an asset on the books, however, that was actually placed in service, so you're supposed.

S

To depreciate that once it is placed in service and then under it similar to other governmental.

S

Entities we do there's always areas in I.t with respect to things that you could approve on.

S

Moving on to the those charged with governance, page one indicates our responsibility with respect.

S

To the audit, we also discussed our plan, scope and timing. We've complied with all ethic requirements.

S

And on page two, it discusses the significant accounting policies once again, you've implemented.

S

Gasby 87 and under significant accounting estimates you have six estimates relating to.

S

Landfill closure and post closure. You have depreciation, you estimate your net pension.

S

Liability or your other post-employment benefits, there's health care claims and the fair value of.

S

Investments and those particular fair value items we have looked at the key assumptions.

S

And they are reasonable in relation to the financial statements presented as a whole.

S

Moving on to page three of the document, of course, your sensitive estimates with respect.

S

To that pension liability, that's in note 11 and 12.. There were no significant, significant.

S

Difficulties encountered in performing the audit all uncorrected. The statements are attached in the.

S

Back of this document all corrected, the statements have been made as well. There were no disagreements.

S

With management, there were no consultations with other accountants regarding any issues and then on.

S

The last page, on page four, there were no other significant matters or findings to discussed.

S

And the other information with respect to the annual report is included on page four.

S

I'd certainly like to take this opportunity to thank your team, jenny, hobbs bobby joe.

S

About kyle henry and mike ensurf for their assistance during the audit.

S

Received your audit and your single audit combined. If you can recall from the last few years, we would.

S

Just present the acfr, then the single loan. It was done later so kudos to your team and then I'd like.

S

To recognize our team as well working, you know with your team ryan ebner, catherine welsh, melissa,.

S

Bonner, keith ammerman and dana fontanelle. We work very well together, big undertaking in getting.

S

This done- and I believe you've got this done earlier earlier than you ever have correct. Okay,.

S

And that concludes my presentation. If you have any questions I'll be happy to answer yeah fantastic.

A

And again uh I agree with you: we got a great team and uh really again appreciate the due diligence.

A

That jenny, you provided uh through example, and um the work you had with your team and getting.

A

Us to where we are so yeah. I wish to reiterate commissioner rothstein's compliments to you. It.

B

Is a tremendous amount of work to have all these numbers come together and balance out as someone.

B

Who did some accounting in college and business? I know how difficult it is when you find something.

B

That's not balanced out. You got to track it down through this maze and get it to work so.

B

You and staff and the auditors put a whole lot of work into this, and it shows the public that.

B

We're buying a book you hear so much out there, but this reaffirms that what we're doing is correct.

B

So thank you for all you do. Thank you. I do have a couple questions. You got some and I got some first.

E

I almost appreciate you get done this faster than before. If you could have postponed another week.

E

Or two, but even better, that's fine. Second, on page 229 material weaknesses identify.

E

Says yes, can I get a better understanding what that actually means sure, so those were the two.

S

um Weaknesses that we're talking about gatsby 87, right with respect to implementing leases.

S

um Significant gasby, that's out there, a lot of entities have have struggled with this.

S

Particular gasby um it was, it was postponed for many years and and basically what you have to.

S

Do is you have to identify the particular asset? Look at the details of the contract.

S

um And then book that particular item, so there were some issues with respect to the.

S

Identification and the recording of I believe the entity also hired an outside outside party.

S

To assist with that, and even with that, it's just a you know: it's a difficult gatsby to implement.

S

And you have a fair amount of volume, but nothing that wasn't corrected. It was corrected all the.

S

Adjustments were made all right, yeah and then the other item is with respect to fees for service.

S

You know, as I mentioned, entities have received a lot of funding and you can either you know some.

S

Some entities you you'll, depending on the program you'll, get your dollars in advance. So there's you.

S

Know, there's a way to record that sometimes some of the grants are expenditure driven where you.

S

Spend the money first and then you apply for reimbursement and then summer fee for services.

S

So you have one, you know three different revenue recognition policies on top of.

S

Multiple funding sources, which is great, I mean that's what you want. You want to get funding.

S

For different services, but what that does it puts a strain on on the group and accounting.

S

For that and reviewing that and going through all the detail of each particular grant item.

S

But nothing that can't be corrected going forward. I appreciate that explanation. Thank you.

C

So this is the eighth time I've looked at these and uh they get. I appreciate all of the work.

C

Throughout the time that I've been here, uh I think I know the answer to this, because I asked this.

C

Two or three times in the past, but I think it's important for the pup yeah.

C

Maybe that manny, uh you don't audit one of our biggest, uh where a lot of our funds go.

C

And that's the board of education, that's correct uh or carroll county public schools and then.

C

Certainly carroll community college, but as it pertains to those two and you know the the huge.

C

Amount of funds that they receive just touch on you, you you're, okay, with how they're, audited and.

C

You use what the other auditors do to come to the conclusion here, knowing full well that we.

C

Give a ton of money especially to to the school system, yeah great great question, so you know the.

S

College, of course, and the board of ed they're component units of carroll county and those.

S

Audits are performed by other auditors. We have received their reports reviewed their reports.

S

And that particular information is noted in the independent audited reports that we don't audit.

S

That, but you know it has to be relied upon and disclosed to you that's audited by somebody else.

S

With respect to their funding, so you know we always say: go ahead and look in their report.

S

In their acfr, look in their document look to see what it says. Look at their internal control letter.

S

um There's particular items: okay, very good. That's that's always been in when I was first learning.

C

The ropes here that was one of those things that I went wait a minute. We, you know we give them.

C

Just shy of well whatever it is the percentage I'm not going to get into that argument again.

C

I've been arguing about that for eight years too, but the amount of money we give them it's. We want.

C

To make sure that they're being audited on the level that we are so that the two come together.

C

Or the three and actually come together in one good report, so I appreciate you you're doing.

C

That so I think I've heard it answer seven times. Well, yeah I mean, and it's not just for me. It's.

J

For the public really because I get questions all the time, yeah you're right, you guys- are getting.

J

Audited, but you give all that money to schools, are they getting audited yeah? No. I have that in here.

R

You're right absolutely right, they are I'm sorry. Component units are in our financial statements.

R

As well, we have to include we're required to include them in there, so it was a great question.

R

um Of course it was a great question: you don't have to go there.

A

Yeah really, it was an okay question, but um maybe the first time was great at the.

E

Time it's just average question. It goes downhill after the crate, but.

A

I think it's important she is- um and I appreciate this is- is the timing of these audits, the timing.

A

Of you know us doing this to where ccps is being audited. You know this is one of the challenge we.

A

Have with our budget is you know um ensuring that the schools get the money re? You know, resources.

A

They need as we're delivering our budget and sometimes it's off because of their negotiations.

A

Is the schools getting audited at the same time or is it in an approach where it allows for.

A

This order to be very open, like you know what I mean yeah so I'll answer that chinese. So the.

S

Audit of the school system, msde maryland state department of education. They require.

S

It to be done by september 30th, okay, so you have received your opinion of that particular.

S

Entity yeah by september, 30th, okay, yeah and that's you know just uh dates worse than yours.

S

If their due date is worse than yours, yeah yeah, okay,.

C

So how many years have you been doing this for us dan, um fair amount, I'm gonna, say seven, seven.

C

Okay, I was gonna, say you're here it feels longer, but I think we've seen you for okay.

C

Seven seven out of the eight, so thank you for your hard work on this too. I don't know how you.

S

All do once again I'd like to thank our team and jenny's team right yep. Thank you. No action.

A

Necessary just sharing an appreciation and again thank you so much. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay,.

J

It wasn't that great we came right off the top of it.

A

2023 national association of victims of crime act.

A

Voca assistance, administrators grant application and award.

B

I like these matching numbers, I'm seeing here.

N

Okay, it was a good sell right, yes, go for it good morning, commissioners, good morning morning, mr.

N

Burke, miss windham um for the record. I am alan culver state's attorney for carroll county with.

N

Me is rebecca gray, who is the director of the state attorney's office victim witness unit and.

N

We are here to request your approval, as mr, as commissioner rothstein said, the national.

N

Association of voca assistance administration, a five thousand dollar grant so during national.

N

Crime victims week, the purpose of the grant is to bring further awareness to victims and victims.

N

Rights victim the national crime victims week is april 23rd through april 29th, and the reason why.

N

This year is significant: is we host the national crime victims memorial service for our region.

N

Our region includes carroll, allegheny, frederick, montgomery and washington counties and essentially.

N

What the service is it's a ceremony to recognize those who lost their lives to crimes and also to.

N

Show support for the community and the families and the survivors of those who lost their lives.

N

Last year's memorial service was held in washington county. We hold the memorial service.

N

Every four years, so last year, washington county, they read 572 names, victims of crimes. Now those.

N

Are not all from 2021 2022? Those are the names that families and survivors have submitted over.

N

The years beginning in the early 90s, so as far as our office goes just to give you an idea of how.

N

Many victims that that we serve uh from january of this year until november, 15th we've had a total of.

N

635 criminal cases involving victims, total number of victims would be 882. That includes not only.

N

Those who have lost their lives, but obviously the survivors so essentially the the purpose of the.

N

Grant from our perspective, is to assist with the expenses as they relate to the memorial service.

N

And we'd also like to look at expanding the week doing other functions uh to hopefully.

N

Bring awareness the service is held on april 23rd april 23rd, and we're hoping that maybe, if we are.

N

Awarded this grant we'd be able to do something on april 29th as well so kind of bookend.

N

National crime victims week to bring more awareness not only for those who have lost.

N

Their lives, but also to the survivors, and so just to give you an idea of kind of how much.

N

We spend on the memorial service the last time we we hosted. The service was in 2019.

N

At that time we spent approximately thirty five hundred dollars hosting the service.

N

So that's the information we have as far as our our grant request and we're certainly open to.

N

Any questions that you might have, mr covert, where would this service be held at at the courthouse or.

N

Typically, we look at a venue in 2019 we held it at the sykesville volunteer fire department.

N

But that's one of the it's one of the factors we look at is the cost um for the for the locations.

N

um You have 572 names, read you'll typically have a couple hundred people who attend this service so.

N

Obviously, it's got to be a facility that would um that would host these folks. It's kind of like the.

B

Opioid vigil, that's it's similar, yes yeah! It would be kind of the same kind of setup. We, I don't think.

N

We we get as many people in attendance, but it's probably close and it would be kind of a a similar.

N

Type of setup: well, I want to offer I see the dates would be after I'm out of session for the general.

B

Assembly and for those of you out there don't know, I am a survivor on a attempted murder. You know I.

B

Was beaten ahead in this while I was asleep with a hammer and that stab while I got my stumbled.

B

Around so I know the impact psychologically being a victim of crime has upon one and how important.

B

It is for us to have an awareness of this and the resources which are offered to help people.

B

When I went through that in the 90s there was no counseling, they helped me process it, and I was in.

B

A mental haze for a full week and I think, that's a really critical time to intervene with people and.

B

Help them out before it can you know progress into something else, so this is very admirable stuff.

B

You're doing so thank you and I want to be able to participate and help out in any way possible. I can.

N

I appreciate that commissioner boucher we'll be happy to reach out to you.

Q

D

I'll move the board of commissioners approve the submission of the 2023 national association of.

D

Voca assistance, administrators grant application and acceptance of award second motion guys. Second,.

A

Any discussion seen here, none all in favor, aye aye thanks. Thank you. Thank you and let me just.

N

Say borrowing something unforeseen. This is probably the last time I worked here before.

N

This board of commissioners, so um thank you very much for your service and I've certainly.

N

Appreciated working with each and every one of you and some of you, I know hopefully I'll work.

N

With you in the future, so thank you for your service. Thank you, alan. Thank you very much.

A

Okay, leasing, vehicles.

A

um That's all it says: uh let's see who do we got? Okay,.

A

How many vehicles are we going to be leasing, we're asking the lease.

T

This agreement would include the lease of four vehicles: okay, go for it, love is a procurement in.

U

Cooperation with the bureau of fleet management warehouse operations request your approval to.

U

Lease vehicles when an as needed basis from acne, auto leasing llc in the amount of not to.

U

Exceed thirty thousand dollars annually carroll county will be piggybacking. A baltimore county.

U

Government's contract for leasing of vehicles that was competitively bid, this amount is within.

U

The approved budget, no additional funds should be necessary. Commissioners, as miss.

T

Robinson stated, this is simply an agreement that allows the county to lease vehicles on.

T

An as needed basis throughout the year, so we may not be leasing any vehicles at all.

T

We will be okay, then my question comes: why don't we just buy an extra vehicle.

E

So the reason for a short-term lease, if there's a position or a specific task that is short-term in.

T

Nature, it may not be feasible or cost effective to actually purchase a vehicle so having vehicles.

T

That are readily available for just a short amount of time or more beneficial in actually purchasing.

T

A vehicle is it more cost cost efficient for the county correct to do it. This way, correct.

J

It's interesting all right. What kind of vehicles do they have for leasing? Anything.

T

From the smallest sedan, you can think of to a full-size pickup anything in between.

C

My mind's racing now a little bit read here. I you know because of the fact that we've got such.

C

A long out delivery times for some of these vehicles, especially.

C

For some of these uh new lieutenants, who are going to be hiring for fire and ems.

C

Would it would it make sense to maybe get just a couple leased vehicles to put them in, because.

C

I know we're trying to borrow from volunteer stations. I don't want to try to get into all.

C

That, but you know maybe this is a maybe this is a way to help fix that time period that we're.

C

Waiting so long for on these vehicles, we have to modify the vehicles. That's why I asked what.

C

Type, you know I don't know yeah um um like I said it's a wide range of vehicles that we could lease.

T

um I've been exploring all options to, um I think, as we are now, especially with fire and.

T

Ems, they are in in vehicles. um I do not see the need to get extra vehicles to to supplement or.

T

Do the same thing that the vehicles that they're currently in um I think uh at this point waiting.

T

For the vehicles that we have ordered is what we need to stick with for now. Okay,.

J

All right: okay, acme! Don't you remember the old road runner card? Yes, absolutely anvil! Everything.

C

He got was from acme a rocket okay, I'll make the motion board of commissioners approve.

E

The lease of vehicles on an as needed basis and a cost of not to exceed thirty thousand.

E

Dollars annually to the acme leasing company. Second, that's true: okay, any discussion all in.

A

Favor all right, okay! Thank you very much. Thank you, commissioners. All that stuff working okay.

E

Now pay attention, discussion and consideration of proposed resolution authorizing eminent domain in.

A

Connection with airport safety improvement project before we get started chris, do we have anybody.

I

No sir, we have no callers, but if we do get one I will interject.

A

As opposed to interject, just inject um okay, less syllables, um well, that's a difference.

V

Yeah, we don't need you to each other back to acme yeah. There you go. Okay, you used to watch.

C

It too did you put a rocket underneath: okay, let's get this started and see where it goes.

V

Good morning, commissioners, we are here to present a resolution authorizing and directing.

V

The department of public works, along with the department of county attorneys, to institute.

V

And complete condemnation proceedings, if necessary, for the property acquisition.

V

Required for the completion of the airport safety enhancements at this time, I will hand it over to.

V

Ray lewis, from delta airport consultants, to provide more background on this project.

W

Thank you, roy lewis, but I will answer to anything.

W

Federal aviation administration and the maryland aviation administration for more than 15 years.

W

To take advantage of the technology advances in aircraft, navigation and instrument, landing systems.

W

Following introduction of the global positioning satellite system for civilian use earlier, this.

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Century the new technology eliminates the need for expensive ground-based equipment and allows.

W

General aviation airports such as carroll county regional airport, to achieve greater improved.

W

Visibility minimums for precision instrument, approach procedures, thus enhancing the safety.

W

Of the operations and expanding the all-weather operating capability of the airport, it also allows.

W

The reduced visibility minimums for non-precision approaches also the plan of development for.

W

Carroll county to join similar airports in using this newest technology was conceived during the.

W

Airport master plan provided by another consultant, completed in 2008 and approved then by the federal.

W

Aviation administration and the maryland aviation administration, the plan recommended.

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A replacement runway be constructed at a greater separation distance from the parallel taxiway to.

W

Achieve the faa safety objectives and allow reduced visibility minimums to be established.

W

Along with the introduction of the precision instrument approach procedure,.

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The required visibility minimums for pilots under this plan are to be reduced by half for aircraft.

W

Approaching to land at the airport, from the north and by a quarter for aircraft approaching to land.

W

From the south say that, again, roy up by half from the north required visibility, minimums.

W

For pilots are to be reduced by half for the aircraft that would be approaching from the north.

W

And by a quarter for the aircraft approaching from the south, it's a significant reduction for.

W

Any aircraft operating under instrument flight rules right- that's a very important piece here.

C

Okay, go ahead, sorry, plan of development. Please interrupt me at any point: okay plan of development.

W

Also includes an extended runway length to accommodate the existing and project projected.

W

Air traffic demand for the airport following the economic downturn during 2010 and 2012 period, the.

W

Faa required the county to re-examine the plan of development that was proposed and to confirm.

W

Operational demands still existed as projected an airport master plan was completed in 2015.

W

That reconfirmed the need for the replacement runway. However, it did reduce the initial runaway.

W

Length required from the 6400 feet from the 2008 plan down to 5500 feet in the 2015 plan.

W

That's still an extension of 400 feet over the existing runway length.

W

The faa expects the airport sponsor that is carroll county, to take active steps to.

W

Prevent or mitigate proposed incompatible land uses. Thus, following completion of the.

W

Faa required environmental assessment effort and the associated public meetings and public hearings.

W

The county embarked on the land acquisition program, detailed in the plan of development.

W

And committed to the faa to pre-fund the land acquisition through a 12 million dollar bond.

W

Fund the county secured in 2019., the county has completed acquisition of approximately half about.

A

12 million dollar bonbon when was that 2019 is my understanding. Yes, sir, it was uh originally.

W

Intended to terminate last june, I think it's been extended one year through june of 2023.

W

The county has completed acquisition of approximately half of the land needed for the.

W

Development program through the use of that bond fund, completed means title has been transferred.

W

Deeds are recorded, another quarter of the parcels needed have promising ongoing negotiations with.

W

The property owners the initial project, to make way, if you will for the replacement runway grading.

W

And development was recently awarded and is scheduled for construction during 2023. That's.

W

The relocation of meadow branch road county is in the final stage of land acquisition.

W

With faa funds programmed for the design of the replacement runway during their 2023 funding year,.

W

The county continues to negotiate with all property owners in accordance with all excuse.

W

Me all remaining property owners in accordance with the faa land acquisition directives.

W

This includes the uniform act. The faa program requires that fair market of value be established.

W

Through appraisal, then followed by a review appraisal conducted by an independent third party,.

W

The property owners are directly involved in the appraisal process and the faa policy.

W

Requires the county to consider any additional valuation information provided by the property.

W

Owners during this process, including allowing an appraisal by the property owner to be presented as.

W

Well, for consideration: should the property owner soda choose to submit one, so that could be up to.

A

Three appraisals- that's correct. Technically, the review appraisal is to review the process that.

W

The initial appraisal right appraiser conducted, but if the review appraiser for some reason does.

W

Not recommend the initial appraisal, then it typically moves to the step where the review.

W

Appraiser, then, who is also just as qualified under federal guidelines as the initial.

W

Appraiser to then establish the value based on his professional opinion or her professional.

A

Opinion and then the landowner can also request an appraisal, absolutely absolutely and and the.

W

The faa, the federal land acquisitions guidelines, require the airport sponsor to take all of that.

W

Information into consideration, okay- and it has to be documented as a part of the negotiation process,.

W

Some of the acquisition need involves navigation, easements, that's essentially the purchase of the.

W

Air rights over the property does not impact the use of the actual property.

W

This could involve the trimming or removal of trees that penetrate the faa protected airspace.

W

The removal of trees is a decision made by the property owner during negotiations, the purchase.

W

Of the air rights is only to ensure that that protected airspace is clear of obstructions to.

W

Enhance the uh the safety of aircraft operations essentially acquiring the air of rights.

W

Above the property, the height above ground of a given easement varies, of course, depending.

W

On how far that property parcel is away from the airport operations area.

W

The county is obligated and mandated by the faa to secure the needed property interest under.

W

The grant assurances the county has committed to with each grant project. That's been established.

W

Throughout the history of the airport, that's over 20 federal grants to date, many more pending.

W

Other parcels would be subject to the runway protection zone, not a.

W

Navigation easement, but where the rpz as it's called, requires the county to.

W

Actually acquire that property in fee, simple interest or in some instances.

W

That may be accommodated through a restricted land use easement.

W

That has already occurred with a particular parcel during the first half of this program.

W

The rpz is for the protection of people and property on the ground, statistically within.

W

That trapezoidal area defined as the rpz. If an aircraft incident was going to occur, it would.

W

Be in that box, that's why the faa mandates that that property land use be controlled.

W

This, of course, is is a point of negotiation with each property owner in each situation.

W

Each specific situation for the parcels where only a portion of the property is required. The.

W

County's offer for acquisitions and some for some property owners. This remaining quarter properties.

W

If you will have been rejected by some property owners, some property owners have rejected the.

W

County's offer and refused to present additional value information or to present a counteroffer.

W

Some property owners have simply ignored the county's offers, with no response whatsoever.

W

Some counteroffers by some property owners have been presented, requesting a purchase price as.

W

Much as 20 times the appraised value without any support for their claim of their asking price.

W

Others have requested an acquisition of the entire property when only a small portion is.

W

Required and would therefore be reimbursable by the faa to the county they're asking for their.

W

Entire property be acquired, even though a tiny portion is required for the project.

W

It should be noted that many development alternatives have been examined over the.

W

Years I've been personally involved in this project for more than 15 years.

W

Many development alternatives have been examined and no alternative exists. Today,.

W

Would not require some level of land acquisition? That's because there are some non-standard.

W

Conditions today that the faa has allowed to exist because you're moving towards a greater project.

W

Some alternatives would even require.

W

Existing agreements that you struck with property owners in the past.

W

To be renegotiated,.

W

And greater impact to these property owners would occur.

W

Questions well, tim did you want to.

A

Comment on this before we start the question I mean.

X

No, I don't have comments after his presentation is done. We'll we'll be talking about the resolution.

X

That we're okay, okay, uh existing agreements, would have to be renegotiated, such as.

W

One particular property owner. I will not get into specifics, of course, because the.

W

Negotiations are confidential with the property owners, but uh one but one particular property.

W

Owner under the planned program under the proposed replacement runway concept has a.

W

Very small portion of their property within this rpz area, the county's already negotiated.

W

With them to not acquire any of that property, it would only be a restricted land use for this.

W

Very tiny corner of their property, which means they would still own the property, but basically.

W

You cannot have a congregation of people or you cannot build structures out there.

W

And alternative, for instance, if you uh considered the existing runway well, the existing runway also.

W

Has rpcs and that and the existing rpz overlies a greater portion of their property than what.

W

Has been negotiated for the proposed project, so we need to go back to that property owner.

W

And void, if you will that prior deal that has been negotiated and then say.

W

That a greater portion of their property would be impacted. This particular property.

W

Owner it is a residential property owner and in some instances it could impact their home.

A

um The master plan 2008 yes, sir, um I just wanted. I wrote down a lot. You.

A

Provide a lot 6400 feet: 2015 it got revised to 5500, that's correct, sir.

A

With 5500 feet, there's still the delta of delta of 400 feet correct. That needs to.

A

Agree and everything we were talking about is dealing with safety, not in increasing the.

A

Capabilities of the airfield or the airport for other aircraft. It's it's all safety for.

A

Existing aircraft, the premise for the 2008 master plan that was conducted by the urs corporation as.

W

Well, as the 2015 master plan that was prepared by my firm delta airport consultants, both determined.

W

That the existing and projected fleetmic would be represented by the medium-sized corporate business.

W

Jet as the design aircraft, that's a lot of words. That's a canned answer, of course, but it's it's the.

W

It's a medium-sized business, yet the family of those aircraft is the critical design aircraft.

W

For the airport, so yes, sir, the the reason that the reduced runway length occurred is because in 2008.

W

There was a tenant on the airport that projected the acquisition of a much larger business jet.

W

And they provided the county that information in written form. The faa accepted that as the.

W

Coming critical design aircraft and the designs for the runway length, then we're going to be.

W

Longer that was going to be 6 400 feet.

W

The 2015 plan determined that the medium-sized business yet fleet only needed 5500 feet. Okay,.

A

You've um you've been doing this quite some time here, but you've also been doing it other locations.

A

Correct my degree is in aviation management. I spent almost 20 years with the airlines yeah.

W

I was a pro I was a professional airport manager at richmond international for about a half dozen.

W

Years and I have been an airport consulting for 21 years, I am a pilot multi-engine instrument, rated.

A

And using these type of tools that we're going to get into in a minute with this.

A

Type of resolution you've experienced that as well absolutely ongoing with many other.

W

Clients nationwide right now, I I conducted two two depositions on behalf of a client last week.

Q

W

I would like to add to that please, if I may, sir, oh absolutely, we work all the.

W

Way up until we can't to negotiate an amicable settlement, there's always an opportunity, or we.

W

Certainly have the hope that there's always an opportunity for an amicable agreement to occur.

W

Even after imminent domain filings have been initiated in many instances that I've been.

W

Personally, involved with that settlement does occur before a trial date. There's been one one.

A

Last question: I apologize 20 federal grants. You said that have been in the mix of this under the.

W

Aip program, the airport improvement program, which was instituted in 1982 since world war ii, there's.

W

Been a chain of federal aviation support programs uh and the most recent one and the current one is.

W

The aip airport improvement program under that program since 1982 the county has received in.

W

Excess of 20 federal grants each one of those executions that grant has a grant assurance.

W

Document attached to it and that has to be signed and recorded with any real property acquisition, so.

W

You're bound by the grant assurances which require you to to as an obligated public use airport to.

W

Comply with all federal aviation administration guidelines, design, specifications and.

A

Yeah, do we know the total cost of those 20 grants? I do not know off top of the head. No sir,.

A

Okay, I'll go ahead. The only comment I was going to make is that during your presentation and.

E

Throughout the entire time, I've been involved in this the main reason or the reason this is.

E

Being done is for safety enhancement at the airport, safety enhancement, that's what stands.

E

Out to me, we're not trying to make it a larger runway to bring in bigger jets or that's not.

E

What it's for it's for safety enhancement for the people coming in landing and taking off.

E

At our airport- and that's that's what sticks out to me. That's just what I want to say and.

E

You said you use the word safety numerous times in your presentation, because that's.

E

What this is that is absolutely correct. It is, it is gps, state-of-the-art technology.

W

At a minimum visibility level that you cannot take benefit of today thanks mr frazier, the.

V

Other thing not to get into the weeds of the project, but one of the main improvements of this.

V

Is shifting a runway down and over to get out of the intersection of uh littlestown pike that that.

V

Runway protection zone that that roy mentioned that's an extremely important point: the faa, if.

W

I'm a yeah, the faa instituted a a policy guideline in 2012 uh recently incorporated september 16th of.

W

This year incorporated into new advisory guidance where they consider intersections, such as that.

W

Highly incompatible with runway protection zones- and that is a cornerstone of this project where.

W

The current rpz, even though smaller overlies that intersection and I know that there is a that there.

W

Is a traffic concern there? Quite often there certainly was this morning there was an accident.

W

There this morning, where the fire truck went by me one way and and um the ambulance the other.

W

Way so uh for that reason the faa prefers, and it goes to a headquarters level under review- prefers.

W

That those runway protection zones whenever possible do not overligh that type of intersection.

A

You said that um out of the private properties, half a done you've out of the out of total.

A

Parcels identified for the land program uh and I I don't necessarily if there's a you know, that's a.

W

Pure quantitative number, but from from 12 million dollar bond fund, which we recon firm, would cover.

W

uh The acquisition anticipated uh just a few years ago, over six million dollars, has been expended by.

W

The county to purchase land and I feel that if one assumes that the remaining acquisition somewhere.

W

Between five and six million, I think that, well, you know, there's a sizable portion of that that.

W

Is well on its way to being successfully negotiated right. The remainder, however,.

W

Has a big question mark on it, and I must add that time is of the essence here, because the the as I.

W

Said earlier, the programming for the design funds uh are set for 2023. The county is required to.

W

Update the capital plan with the faa and the maa every year, we're entering that update session now.

W

So the faa and the state both will want to hear that the county is wrapping up this land program.

W

Very soon, the design funds 2023 is at the spring of 2023.. Is it the spring of 2023 for the design.

A

Funds, that's when the grant applications would typically go in the federal fiscal year operates.

W

Oh, you know that october 1 to september 30th, okay, so but uh grant applications are due. Typically no.

W

Later than may possibly june 1 and then yeah and then you get the or the public works department.

W

Gets the grant offer on september 20th and has to turn it around by september 30th, wow? Okay, have you.

D

Personally been involved in the negotiations, every single parcel for 15 years. Yes, sir.

B

Well, mr lewis, I say that initially I was a little bit disappointed, you're, not a mvp.

B

Nfl linebacker well, I think you're very capable of knowledge of this information. I'm glad you.

B

Came here to talk to us today, this has been very difficult for us and I think you've articulated.

B

The situation we're in very well, especially in legal terms and that's the most important.

B

Thing for people on the audience to understand that we are kind of up against a legal war and.

B

Have a liability in this and you explain it precisely and with that I moved the board.

A

No no no hold on there's no legal terms yet yeah we. This has actually been no legal term.

A

This has been a description of the activity, the history where we are today and where we want to.

A

Go tomorrow, it's just a planner talking, but I do appreciate your comments. Commissioner. Thank.

A

You appreciate that so there's a legal framework this and what I want to do is.

A

Allow our legal counsel to now talk to us about the potential resolution. What staff has presented.

X

You with is is a proposed resolution, and by signing it you would be authorizing not directing.

X

But authorizing staff to pursue eminent domain, if necessary, to to complete the land acquisition.

X

Process for the safety improvement project, the resolution does not institute any eminent.

X

Domain, it doesn't start any cases, it merely authorizes staff to utilize or use eminent domain.

X

If necessary, after exhausting all negotiations, and it's designed to demonstrate to the federal.

X

Aviation administration and the maryland aviation administration that we are serious about finishing.

X

This project that we are going to use the money that they've been giving us or granting us all.

X

These years to finish the project- and this will demonstrate to them- that we are serious about that.

X

uh Staff also understands, as mr lewis stated, that the good faith negotiations would continue.

X

Even after the adoption of this resolution, our goal is to resolve these acquisitions.

X

Amicably and then domain is typically a measure of last resort and I would remind everyone that.

X

Under federal law, any property owners that are impacted by eminent domain will receive.

X

The fair market value for any portion of their property impacted by any imminent domain case.

X

So this is, as I said, it does not initiate any eminent domain proceedings. It is a resolution.

X

Authorizing staff to, if necessary, go down that route after the exhaustion of negotiations.

E

This also indicates that we want to move forward in a timely manner that we want to get this so.

E

That the faa still giving us the the grants and the money, because there's kind of a timetable set.

E

Up about when money's going to be coming in and so forth, we want to stay with that timetable. Am I.

E

Correct in that, the county is at risk of losing the program funding or certainly delaying the.

W

Program funding within the next 60 to 90 days, if action's not taken today right 60 to 90 days, if.

A

That's one's not taken today losing like what fun ka program support. Really the county is the the.

W

Airport capital improvement program. We already know this, that's the I was just bringing it up.

C

No, I know, but no, but I thought it was for some reason. I thought it was like april or something.

A

Maybe that's 90 days, I don't know march yeah. Okay, the the capital improvement program is.

W

Required to be updated every every year and the deadline to submit that to the faa is march. The.

W

30Th: okay: the county is required to schedule a meeting well prior to that to discuss the.

W

Capital program and that meeting will be held with the faa within the six, with the.

W

Next, 60 to 90 days, I apologize for not being clear. I'm sure you were okay, I'm being parked.

A

At by no, I didn't I'm not trying I'm just I'm I'm frustrated with this, because uh I don't I.

C

Don't see the respect for the the taxpayer dollars that we've already spent or that are going to be.

C

Coming into the program uh or the respect of those property owners that have already settled.

C

We have to do this, there's just I I'm I'm just frustrated with this whole thing. I really am.

C

And in some of these cases in two, maybe three we're talking about air and a couple trees and yet.

C

We're you know it appears as if our negotiations are attempting to try to take huge amounts of.

C

Property from these people- and that's just not the case, so I'm just I'm frustrated with this.

C

I'm frustrated because I have three friends who are pilots that continue to say it's one of the.

C

Most dangerous airports to land on and take off uh from I've. I've been on quite a few air.

C

Crash disasters, uh one of them will always stick in my mind on hue shop road, and I this.

C

Has gotta this has got to move forward? That's why I'm not trying to bark at anybody. I'm just.

C

Being frustrated at at the fact that we've got to move forward with this, so thank you, commissioner.

V

I I just want to just comment in on the taxpayer dollars, so this this entire project is scheduled.

V

To be funded, 90 by the faa, five percent by the maa and leaving the county's portion at five percent.

A

Okay: okay, um looking at this in 90 days, if the county doesn't have this done, if faa.

D

Wouldn't allow uh a lead way of 30 40 50 more days, 60 whatever. I can't speak for what the.

W

Faa wheeler will not do sir, but I can tell you that they programmed the discretionary.

W

Funding which is tied to this project on a three-year rolling window, and they will.

W

Make a decision during this year's capital improvement program on how that will.

W

Move forward and the acquisition of the land program being completed during calendar 23.

W

Calendar 2023 is a critical step in the process. That's not to say that that if a property owner.

W

Is is um that isn't a say that everything has to be completed in counter 2023, but all of the deals.

W

The negotiations had to be completed in 2023., sure 14 months or uh 13 months to have everything has.

D

To be completed, that commitment will have to be made to the faa within the next 60 to 90 days.

A

I I got an issue and I'm called like it is. Commissioner: boucher walked out.

A

He's got what he believes is a more pressing meeting as.

A

Opposed to having the responsibility staying on the dice for this decision.

A

It's his choice in doing so, but we've held this discussion off.

A

To allow the five of us to be present, because this will be the first time we are authorizing.

A

Eminent domain in our county in this manner and I'm not comfortable when we're not all here and.

A

Even with this conversation now, whether it would sway commissioner boucher or not- I don't know, but.

A

We have a responsibility for our county that, when we're making a decision like this, that all five of.

A

Us you know are here unless you know his note did say he might be back so what we could do.

Y

If the board wanted to is go on, if, if you don't mind sneaking around for a little while, I'm here.

W

All day, thank you yeah! No, I I appreciate it and um next agenda items and then bring this back.

Y

We can I I apologize about this, but uh yeah. I we have that responsibility to our community.

A

To make a decision when it's this important, I believe, where all five of us have the opportunity.

A

To further discuss it, so if I can delay go ahead, I mean I I don't he was getting ready to make the.

C

Motion to go for it, so I don't know, does that make a difference except he was trying to make a motion.

A

To go forward on the legal basis, but the legal basis, okay, so okay, I mean whether again it sways.

A

Him or not, I'm not going to judge that right. um I I think it's a well perception. I don't even cuts.

E

Off but let's, if, if everyone's agreement go on the other items or the agenda, if he's not back.

E

By the time we get the end of it, I still think we should vote on this today, whether he's in a.

E

Room or not, but we'll give him time to come back. That's just my opinion, because I think this is.

E

Important, I think we have to move forward with it. I would like to move forward with this today.

A

A

Okay, let's move on to item number seven freedom.

A

District water treatment plants rebuild uh flow service serve vertical turbine pump.

Z

Good morning, commissioners, the office of procurement and cooperation with bureau.

Z

Of utilities request your approval to award a contract for the rebuild of one of the three.

Z

Flow serve vertical turbine pumps, an operation at the freedom district, water, water treatment plant.

Z

To motor technology incorporated and the amount of 99 974 dollars, this award will be made via a term.

Z

Contract, which has a yearly limit of one hundred thousand dollars and commissioners, were also.

Z

Asking that you, given the emergency situation of the pump and the significant lead time of 32 weeks.

Z

You're requesting to increase the term contract limit to 118 000. Due to the fact that this.

Z

Increase will actually exceed the 100 000 term contract limit by approximately eighteen thousand.

Z

Dollars this bid amount is within the adopted budget, and no additional funds will be necessary.

AA

Good morning, gentlemen, um you may or may not be aware of this, the replacement freedom district.

AA

Water treatment plant was completed and came online in 2010. The plant has a design capacity.

AA

Of 4.0 million gallons of processed water per day for the freedom service area. At this time, the.

AA

Current usage or volume needed on a daily basis is about 2.1 million gallons. The plant operates.

AA

On a continuous 24, 7 operation finished, water is sent into the service area by three flow serve.

AA

Vertical turbine pumps that are in place of the plant, based on the relatively low demand of the.

AA

Water at this time that the plants are used on an individual basis and ever in tandem at this time,.

AA

The the three pumps are are rotated on a set schedule, since the opening of the plant, each of.

AA

The three pumps has been rebuilt once this current pump will be the first to undergo a second rebid.

AA

At uh most obviously pump re redundancy is critical for the water plant. If this pump.

AA

Were to go completely out of service, the plant would then be down to two to a two pump rotation.

AA

To to supply the entire service area, and of course my staff's stress levels would would.

AA

Increase quite quite through automatic, as kerry said, the lead time for the required road rebuild.

AA

Parts is 32 to 36 weeks. That's very consistent with other items that you've heard in recent.

AA

Weeks, the sooner that these pumps can be ordered, the better off we are, this pump will will remain.

AA

In service, as long as possible during the waiting period for the parts we I can't damage it any more.

AA

Than what it's what's happening now it'll it'll it'll stop working at some point: um the scope.

AA

Of work includes the the removal of the pump transportation to york pa the complete rebuild.

AA

Transportation back to freedom, installation and testing. In in case, you were wondering if the cost.

AA

Of a new pump like this would be on the order of four to five hundred thousand dollars, so we we are.

AA

The rebuild essentially will give us a brand new pump for about 10 to 12 about five to six years.

A

No okay, I appreciate it. uh Mr burke, you may want to learn a little bit of the comedy relief that.

A

uh Is being shared so just you know, it was content and delivery. So I appreciate that annie. Thank you.

A

Absolutely I moved that board of commissioners award a contract for the rebuild of one of the.

A

Three flow serve vertical turbine pumps at the freedom district, water treatment plant to motor.

A

Technology incorporated an amount of ninety nine thousand 974 dollars yeah, but wait a minute wait.

A

No, it would wait. You had said that you wanted to to increase. The amount of the award is 99 974, so.

Z

We have to also increase the existing term contract that has a basically a yearly cap.

Z

Of a hundred thousand to a hundred and eighteen thousand, so it we're not asking for we're just.

Z

Asking for that limit to be raised in order to make them? Oh so we're not doing this we're not.

C

We we are, but we are that cap to be raised. In addition, in addition to the award, we need the.

Z

Cap to be raised to 118., so should that be a separate or can we include that in this.

A

Okay, so in the amount of 99 974 dollars and in addition, raising the cap to 118 000 dollars. Second,.

C

Question yeah: I have a question the other uh turbines that are being used. Are they going.

E

To be in need of, replay are rebuilding and so forth or eventually. Yes, yes, well, my since this.

E

Is so critical? Why don't we get them scheduled? I I mean I don't know how it works as you wait till.

E

You hear the wine or whatever you know, something's wrong with it or you are you. Is it preventative or.

E

Because this one's broken down we're all three of them are put in at the same time, initially.

AA

When the plant was constructed yeah, so my guess is the other two are gonna, probably need some.

E

Replacements soon, so my suggestion is get them on the schedule after this one gets done. Is that.

E

That way, you know you don't have to stress your staff out. We are monitoring that the the pumps.

AA

Were reboot right? I assume you are, but I mean if one is going, the other two probably gone soon well,.

E

Okay- and we also have to be considerate of our of our cash flow issues too yeah.

J

I heard the next word out of it won't be a problem.

E

So you're monitoring equality and monitoring your staff. I appreciate it. It's a legitimate concern.

C

Based on the on the amount of time that it's going to take to get the parts or whatever in.

J

Right, that's why I yeah, I tend to agree with you proactive instead of reactive on these things, but.

C

I guess we're we're kind of held to this at this time. I'll speak with my staff about the pros and.

AA

Cons of of ordering of pre-ordering the the real rebuild parts, at least yeah- you might want to put.

C

Them in inventory, because I doubt if only these parts are going to go down in price, that would.

Q

Probably be it that's true, shocker to everybody right, that's true! So, okay, all right! Thank you.

A

Okay, I got a motion. Did I get a second? I believe I got a second all in favor.

J

Aye okay: now, let's talk about hampstead old north wastewater pumping station abandonment of wet well.

Z

The office of procurement, cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request or approval to award.

Z

A contract for the abandonment of the wet well of the old north wastewater pumping station in.

Z

Hampstead to mid-atlantic utilities incorporated in the amount of 32 985 dollars, this award will.

Z

Be made via competitively bid term contract, the bid amount is within the adopted budget and no.

Z

Additional funds will be necessary. Gentlemen. The the new north pump station came online in.

U

In october approximately six weeks ago, and uh it's located on the ida property just north of.

AA

42 uh to the west of main street, with that the old north pump station has been taken offline.

AA

And is no longer needed or or is it operational, the bureau would like to repurpose that old pump.

AA

Station facility into a much needed, secure and convenient storage unit for emergency.

AA

Response equipment, as well as mowers that are used throughout the hampstead service area.

AA

To do so, and for safety and structural purposes, the the wet well must be fully abandoned and.

AA

Filled the the scope of work for this will will require a thorough flushing and pumping of the.

AA

Wet well the removal and capping of piping that currently leads into and from the wet. Well, the.

AA

The the removal of the top section of the well to allow for a flat four flat floor. It basically.

AA

Has a concrete lip around the perimeter at this point in time and the the filling of the well.

AA

With approximately 17 cubic yards of flowable fill and finally, the pouring of a concrete floor slab.

AA

At this time, response equipment for hampstead is housed in hot, at hodges facility in in eldersburg.

AA

So any any emergency response needs a crew member to to go to freedom. District first.

AA

And then back to hampstead after hours or on weekends and those are kept in their various.

AA

Locations throughout the hampstead service area, wow just for me, makes sense. Yeah, that's good.

D

Okay, I moved the board of commissioners water contract for the abandonment of the wet well.

D

Of the old uh north uh wastewater pump station hampstead to mid-atlantic utilities, incorporated.

D

In the amount of thirty two thousand eight hundred five dollars and zero cents, second, okay got motion.

A

Checking discussion all in favor, hi, okay: let's talk about purchase of mobile and portable radios.

J

Oh, we just had to discussion. Hey, hey, hey, hey, knock it off.

A

AB

Morning, commissioners,.

P

Good morning, um commissioners, this is a follow-up to a presentation we made last thursday, the 17th.

AB

Of november and at the gracious invitation of commissioner lanter back here with some.

AB

Additional information for you to consider you're welcome with that commissioners, what we have for.

AB

You today, at the request of the board, are a couple of options for the proposed purchase of.

AB

Mobile and portable radios and accessories using a combination of federal assistance to firefighter.

AB

Grant funding and county funds, as well as an option for the potential purchase of a sufficient.

AB

Quantity of a enhanced, a remote speaker mic. That's a part of the issue of a portal rate of the fire.

AB

And ems personnel for your consideration as well, I do need to know. I will note at this point that.

AB

That option would require a budget transfer which we are prepared for uh what's necessary for you to.

AB

Execute that, if that's your choice so with that, I'd like to simply note that, as presented last.

AB

Week with I'll simply refer to it as the current remote speaker mic or standard rsm, as it's known.

AB

That cost was one million, sixty eight thousand three hundred forty eight dollars and seventy.

AB

One cents the cost of the exact same order, but by replacing the standard, remote speaker mic with the.

AB

Enhanced, which is known as an xc500, raises the cost to one million. Ninety seven thousand six.

AB

Hundred forty four dollars and five cents, that's a difference of twenty nine thousand three hundred.

AB

Fifteen dollars and thirty four cents, please note that either of these options are within uh funding.

AB

That's in the existing budget, no additional funds would be necessary in order to proceed.

AB

And and I apologize um but procurement has made it clear that nothing has changed in what you.

AB

Heard last thursday, that the contract, it's all the same, etc. The only thing that changes we we.

AB

Change what's specified as far as the items to be purchased so procurement is is pleased, is on.

AB

Board with this, it's simply now options for you to consider if any, okay, that's, why miss nine and miss.

AB

Robinson is not maxi making the presentation the procurement pieces is still uh applies.

AB

Yep so with that commissioners, if you have questions again what was proposed last thursday.

AB

Was the proposed was the purchase of 126.

AB

Mobile radios and 73 portable radios with the necessary accessories like the chargers, lapel mics.

AB

Etc, what we've added today, at your request, is what that exact same order would be by simply.

AB

Exchanging or changing to the more enhanced remote speaker mic, that's where that delta or.

AB

Or that difference of twenty nine thousand three hundred fifteen dollars and thirty four cents to.

AB

Make that change? Okay- I I was not here last week sure so I'm catching up on what you're sharing.

A

um Great meeting, what's that, so uh I mean the radios: this is an enhanced radio compared to what.

A

Was being at the radio the thing that goes into lapel right so that way? Okay, I I you don't have.

Q

To lie because I I go try to take your lead here, yeah when you put the radio inside the turnout.

E

Gear, you can't get to it to make adjustments with this new microphone up. Here you can make all the.

E

Adjustments you need here, so you don't have to open up your turnout gear to get to the radio.

G

And it's waterproof and which kind of makes sense if we're talking about firefighters, waterproof and.

E

I don't know heat proof and whatever else, all of that but yeah but the biggest. I think the.

C

Biggest advantage of the emergency, the emergency but emergency, I was getting the emergency button.

AB

Actually, all of the radio controls would be available remotely on this enhanced. So you.

AB

Don't have to get inside a turnout, it allows operation change channels able to be touched.

A

With the with the glove you're able to it, is specifically designed, commissioner, for that.

AB

Purpose, that's where the the xe designation comes from, and I don't know if you were. I.

C

I don't know if you watched or not ed, but my my point was we always prided ourselves.

C

The last eight years that the three of us have been here and the last four that you've.

C

Been here on providing the the best that we can absolutely for our folks on the front line and.

C

I didn't think that we were providing the best and that's why. I asked scott and his folks to.

C

Go back and get us that price for the best, so the difference is there's 29 000 for the first.

D

Radios or do we provide these for everybody at this time and that's that's the that's the next.

C

That's option: two: that's opposition, two, which would require certainly a bigger transfer, but.

C

But in my mind, if you're going to do it, do it well, that's in yeah I mean I think we definitely.

E

The the order that we're putting in now will go with the enhanced mic up here that the additional.

E

29.9 000 yeah, I think that's it. It might that's a no-brainer we we need to do that. But what I ask I.

E

Think I might ask scott whoever last time about the other orders that we want to look uh replace.

E

Those microphones might go out with, you know, be damaged within the next six months a year, whatever.

E

Because there's no exact turnaround time, my my thing on that is, unless we as they get broken.

E

And replace them with the better option so rather than buying it all at this time, so right now it's.

A

200, as opposed to 387., give or take option, one is yeah 126. right option. 1B is what I'm.

E

Looking at the mixtures for clarity, the reason why it's labeled option, 1a and 1b is because.

AB

It's basically the same order. The difference is the style of the remote speaker, mic option.

AB

Two is a totally separate proposed purchase. That's the replacement microphones right, the.

E

One for all the other one b is the upgraded mic. Correct, correct 1a is the traditional or.

AB

Standard 1b is the enhanced that was my last recommendations to go with 1b right now, so.

E

We got the upgraded mic and there's the other mics that are that have already been purchased.

E

Within the last year or two break down, then we replace them with the upgraded mics. That's my.

E

Option opinion or whatever, okay would you like? Are you open for debate now, but if you guys want to do.

E

It differently, I'm okay, if I just it's money wise, I think that might be a wiser way, but go ahead.

C

So uh while I I think, that's a a fine way to do it, I we're still: we've still got.

C

200 and some odd radios out there without the capabilities that the 126 will have right, 387.

AB

Existing portables- and in this case, commissioner, at 73 portals of 126 of the moles. But yes, there is.

D

Still, how long would it take to get those others all up if you phase them in as quickly as we can.

AB

Take delivery: it's simply a take. The old one off put the new one on there's no program or.

AB

Anything required. No, if you know what it means. Like commissioner, frazier said we do the upgrade.

D

On the num, the first number and then the others, as we replace radios upgraded. How long would that I.

AB

Think the correct answer is we don't know because there's no way of knowing how, when individual.

AB

Lapel mics would need to be replaced. Commission one could be damaged and be replaced. A few months.

AB

After in service and one might last years, because let me rephrase that if we go to the other fire.

D

Departments as they come on board, they would be upgraded on these uh radios correct, so you're.

AB

Okay for the replacements, too, all right! Well, what uh taylor was just sharing is.

AB

When we put the current incremental fiscal year, multi-fiscal year, plan.

AB

Together, we looked at the devices having a 12 year, life expectancy and it is the.

AB

Interpretation that includes the accessories all right, then that's too long. In my opinion,.

E

Okay, so so I would argue that again that, if we're going to provide the best, when you.

C

When you contacted motorola, was there a discussion about those.

C

Lapel mics that we got with the latest batch radios, uh some sort of a trade-in. If you will.

C

um No sir, would not they would not for the timing and, with all due respect, I I'd.

AB

Actually had shared has responsive miss uh ten years. I actually had these numbers back for you.

AB

Unfortunately, it was thursday afternoon. That's how quick we got them back, but it was strictly.

AB

To get you the quote, you would ask where there was no discussions about, will trade-ins or those.

AB

Kinds of things, in fact, obviously can still happen. That's because do you think that that.

C

Possibility exists because a lot some of this some of these lapel mics are obviously young.

C

Yeah so you know, perhaps there are departments in motorola. Motorola provides equipment to.

C

Departments all over the the country, so I would think that those that were not in the best budget.

C

uh Capabilities would maybe perhaps motorola would have the opportunity to say hey. We got these back.

C

uh You know it would provide a a source for those departments that can't afford, and I think.

AB

Commissioner, you can we can afford this right. I believe the county itself could pursue the.

AB

Resale of these we've we've resold items that we've had. There was some limited, useful life.

AB

Left so there's no reason why we can't pursue the resale, it might be a possibility of recouping some.

C

Of this value, some of the cost of this absolutely right absolutely because of the 12-year expected.

E

Life cycle of these, I withdraw my my objection to get them all at the same time. Let's get them all.

E

At the same time, I thought it'd be like a year or two we'd be phasing into new ones. Everybody.

E

Else, but 12 years is way too long to wait. I don't want to do that and commissioner, I will respectly.

AB

Say I believe the primary radio itself will, in fact, unless it's abused, it will last that 10 or.

AB

12 years, I'm confident I'm not confident that the current issued lapel mic will last that long right.

E

But they're going to last a bit longer you're gonna, let definitely last longer yeah. I yes, sir. I.

E

Have to agree, let's, I think we should upgrade them all: okay, yeah ted. Do you have a comment on this.

AC

Yes, um two ideas have been proposed here that I want to make sure that you're.

AC

Consciously thinking about not what it means in this moment, but what it means for future decisions.

AC

One idea is, we should get the best, and the second idea is if the best becomes available.

AC

Even though we got something recently that we're going to replace it with the best.

AC

What happens now, if, two years from now another new, better one comes out, are we going to then replace.

AC

Them again, I'm not trying to make any particular argument here about what you should do, but.

AC

um We are setting up a scenario where that argument could be made, that every time there's.

AC

An advancement that we need to make the move, I understand what you're saying, but I don't.

E

See this is as quite that argument, because the way that the mics have to be used right now, if.

E

You want to change anything you have to get inside the turnout gear to the radio. That's.

E

Inside turnout gear to do it, this has everything up here, which I just think is a big advantage. I'm.

E

Not saying that the next one might have a, I don't know, voice control, I don't know what it would be.

E

But something that's not the same as having to open up the turnout gear and go inside well, my.

AC

Point isn't just about the lapel mic, but about any technology. I get that. I just think the difference.

C

Is dramatic enough that this needs to be done? uh How long has the xe 500 version of the rsm.

C

Been around, I cannot answer that question. I commission, I don't know you know that.

I

Particular radio, yes, sir, probably at least five years. So I would use that to say that and.

C

This is no disrespect to staff, but I believe that the last batch of radios we've gotten.

C

Should have had this xe 500 on it and not the current lapel mic that was with the radio. I truly.

C

Believe that it was missed again, I'm not pointing there's no disrespect here to staff, because you.

C

Know how I feel about the staff here in this building and throughout the county. You are the.

C

Best at what you do, but I truly believe that it, it perhaps was either because we were under budget.

C

Constraints or something that this xe 500 was not on that last batch, so I would argue that I don't.

C

Think the technology is going to change in two three four years when it comes to this, it might.

C

With other things, but um that line of thinking to me when it comes to our folks running into.

C

Burning buildings, when everybody else is running out, it's not like a vehicle. It's not like uh you.

C

Know a pump somewhere. This is life safety right here, ladies and gentlemen, and there should be no.

C

Argument, even if we think it's going to be two or three years out that the technology is going.

C

To change this has already changed and I think it was changed when we got the last batch and we.

C

Should have had the rsms that were want to get on them as well. Your points well noted, commissioner,.

AB

And I think the the only thing that needs to be added was the current standard. If you will.

AB

The lapel mic, that's currently being issued, was more than sufficient for the operations for the.

AB

Standard operating procedures at that time, as the chief has shared with you, that has changed.

AB

Precipitating the need to be able to remotely control it, we need to change the remote speaker.

AB

Mic to enable that that change in operation- and I also can't see that when, when I'm in an.

C

I'm going to stop using acronyms chief when you're in a dangerous situation somewhere, you could have.

C

Two firefighters, one with the old lapel mic and one with the new one they could become.

C

Separated within just 10 feet of one another or less and and being a critically dangerous.

C

Situation where they'd have to get to that and and hit the hit the emergency button or what.

C

Have you or call for help one's got it this one, five feet away or ten feet doesn't unacceptable.

E

You should make a motion and for the record, commissioner, our recommendation, our staff.

AB

Recommendation for what it's worth is, if the board chooses to do the enhanced mic with the.

AB

Proposed radio order, it's our recommendation that you also replace the other ones. That's your choice.

AB

We, for that exact reason, commissioner, that we cannot propose something that does not benefit.

AB

Everyone equally to give to a few great good. I thought so so I'm confused with all the staff.

Y

Recommendations so the the ore shouldn't be an or in two a and b two a and b are ands. So if you.

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Want to replace all of them, then you have to make motion 2a first to get the money and then two b's.

A

For the money now, the only question I do have is it's outside of the budget cycle and doing this we.

A

Have the money you know in our general government, you know funds to then transfer. Is there a concern.

A

Ted on this action, what I don't want to do- and you know this- is setting up any precedence in moving.

A

Funds, especially this late in the game when we're about ready to go into the budget session season,.

AC

Now, I'm not concerned about that, you know. Sometimes it gets confusing on these out of.

AC

Budget things right, not a budget cycle. My concern is when things that come up my main concerns when.

AC

Things come up that could have been addressed in the budget and weren't. Sometimes things.

AC

Come up that's right on their own timing and we didn't have the opportunity to address it in the.

A

Budget yep makes perfect sense. I appreciate that all right, I'm going to make the motion that we.

C

Approved the purchase of 387 xe 500 remote speaker microphones. uh Well, no first, let's move the money.

Y

Oh, I got a first, you got to get the money, you got no money, yet I thought we always. We did.

C

It the other way, sometimes we do it and then we transferred it. We always get the money, but first.

A

I'll move that the board of county commissioners approved resolution ctac-23.04 to transfer 172.

A

509.39 from general government unallocated to public safety, emergency communication radios for.

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The purchase of 387 xc500 remote speakers. Second, any discussion see there's none all in favor.

I

Aye, oh: go ahead! You want to purchase my motion as previously stated and I'll second, that.

A

All in favor aye, it's called teamwork. Okay, let's thank you. Thank you very much.

AB

No uh commissioner, I don't think you've chose the 1a or 1b yet by motion. That's the choice of the.

AB

Afg purchase and my mistake do that one separately too. Yes, that that is 1b is a choice on the afg.

C

Microphones now now we can look to the option: two yeah we got to do the uh the grant. Yes, the grant.

C

Related purchase okay, uh so I make the motion that we approve the purchase of 126 mobile radios.

C

And 73 portables to include the xe 500 remote speaker microphone as presented.

C

With the grant, monies second got a motion guys second and discussion all in favor.

AB

Aye. Thank you, commissioners. Okay, thank you very much done that together. That was complicated. It.

AD

Was like it's a village, no kidding exactly? Okay. Let's talk about text amendment to the employment.

A

Campus district scott, or do you want to go back to allow solar energy conversion facilities.

K

It's not oh, I go back okay. I apologize linda yeah. Let's this could be an interesting one.

A

Let's, let's go back to the airport, follow on the discussion airport.

A

um Which was item six discussion, consideration proposed resolution authorizing him and domain in.

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Connection with airport safety improvement project, what's your name chris, we got anybody on the.

A

Phone, nobody on the phone, sir okay, feel free to interject or inject it you're. You know productive.

A

Or reject yeah okay, so where we left it off, um what's your name, mr burke, you gave us.

A

Guidance on the resolution correct- um and the key word to me was this- is not saying.

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We will do this. This is saying that we are authorized to do this and it's up to the board.

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Of accounting, commissioners to then determine and decide whether to enact admin domain, correct.

A

um Just I again, I wanted to ensure we had all five because of the importance of this type of decision.

A

For our for our county and community, since it's never been done uh in the county, has been done in.

A

Other municipalities within the county um it's been tried to be done, we'll try it to be done.

A

I uh I'm just going to start off. I mean it's, it's very challenging for me because of.

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The philosophical approach in just hearing eminent domain and understanding property owners, rights.

A

And that's what makes me who I am, but I also look at the pragmatic approach and we've been doing.

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This for decades and for all the right reasons in safety and I believe in safety, security and.

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Quality of life of our of our county and safety security that goes right to this. So therefore,.

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I think being pragmatic is more important and understanding the importance of of actions and.

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Not just sitting back and reading philosophy, you know, uh and it doesn't mean that we will do this.

A

It means that it is something you know, a tool to be used or cable being used. So I'm going to.

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Make the motion that we adopt the resolution, as described by our county attorney in a air.

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Force development uh carroll, county regional airport in using eminent domain, if necessary,.

A

By the board of county commissioners set that's a good summary. Okay. Second,.

A

um Okay, discussion discussion. Philosophically I cannot go along with this. I will not take a.

D

Person's land, I think, there's other ways we can go through and keep negotiating. uh You know there's.

D

Always always a way if you really go through and look at it, I think this is taking the easy.

D

Way out, it's never been successfully used in the county and where is it going to be used next, if.

D

We come up with this and I will not be a part of any eminent domain for taking a person's property.

C

So with that argument, I think it's disrespectful to our staff.

C

To say that we're taking the easy way out, our staff has worked tirelessly.

C

To get us to a point where this safety enhancement project needs to occur, we are now under an extreme.

C

Time limits, so there is no easy way out here and I would not even come up with that thought when it.

C

Comes to our staff, because I know how hard our staff has worked. Are there other alternatives.

D

None, I don't this is it. I don't think there are, because our staff has worked incredibly hard to.

C

Get us to this point, and uh you know: we've had a property owner that that wants to, for lack of.

C

A better term take an incredible advantage of of taxpayer dollars by asking 20 times uh we had one.

C

Of our commissioners, two of our commissioners go talk to them. I mean, with you know, with the.

C

Exception of the pope, uh who I'm not even sure would make any any uh additions there. I don't.

C

Know that, for fact, I think by now we do know that for a fact, because there's no other alternatives.

C

That I believe are are available here, so I don't want to I'm not a big fan of this either. What I am.

C

A big fan of is not seeing an airplane on its top with uh two people inside of it, uh and then we all.

C

That were on this board uh coming back and saying geese, if only that's what I'm not in favor of.

A

The um you know it for me: it's also um in kind of the same way as uh respecting respecting.

A

The expertise that's in front of us- and um you know I want to say we are at the end of.

A

The rope and we tie a knot and the last thing to use is eminent domain. But it's to use the.

A

Expertise, that's in front of us, it's a skill set. I don't have and there's a whole lot of.

A

Things as far as skills, I don't have and that's why we do rely on the skills and expertise and.

A

uh We've this is not made lightly whatsoever, and it's not like uh you know. um Our legal has shared.

A

Mr burke, that it is nothing that we will do, it is something that we can do and, if appropriate,.

A

And necessary it gives the allowance for the board of county commissioners to make that decision.

A

um Philosophically I don't like this, I don't agree with it, but pragmatically listening to.

A

The staff over the last four years that I have in you for much longer.

A

I think it's necessary to take a very significant step in this. In this. This is significant. This is.

D

Government coming in and taking control- and I do equate just to russia taking over ukraine.

D

I mean that's very radical difference, but here you know hey. I want that we're just going to.

D

Take it that's the way I kind of look at it and from the property owner's view. I know that's.

D

Exciting a couple trees believe me that, uh but I I think, there's you know ways to negotiate.

D

Through this, without going this route and that's fine- you I'm not going to win this. I know that so.

D

I I've philosophically I just can't go along with it. I understand that.

D

And that's all I ask that you understand my point of viewing this. Oh absolutely.

A

Okay, is there any further discussion, okay calling for a vote, I'm motion got seconded.

A

All in favor aye against aye, okay, 4-1. Thank you very much. Okay. Let's move on text.

A

Amendment to the employment campus district to allow solar energy conversion facilities.

A

Only another fun topic good afternoon, all right yeah. It is good afternoon.

AE

um I'm here today and I think, jason green is here he likes to sit in the back she's.

B

Hiding yeah, so this is a um text amendment that we've come to you um regarding the employment.

AE

Campus district for the allowance of solar energy conversion facilities. We had this.

AE

um Reviewed at the planning and zoning commission on august 16th and september.

AE

20Th, they forwarded it to the board of county commissioners with a favorable recommendation.

AE

And you should have that text in front of you. A public hearing was held on november 3rd and.

AE

We did have some people in the audience. I had more questions, but we didn't receive any other.

AE

Public comment on this particular item so today we are here for a decision on the text. Amendment.

AE

So again, the text amendment was to allow, within our employment campus district ground mounted.

AE

Specifically, solar energy conversion facilities to be part of or separate, so that's the new language.

AE

From the development plan pending a conditional use approval, so that's new language as well. The.

AE

Ground-Mounted solar field may be no more than 25. Acres in size are not to exceed 50 percent.

AE

Of the total acreage- or whichever is lesser so I know that that was a question by commissioner.

AE

Frazier- and I think you know to I- don't want to speak for jason. I think the point of that was if.

AE

You had a 10 acre parcel. You couldn't go over five acres in that size, so that way would only.

AE

Limit it to half of the actual property um that the solar panels would be located, but no more.

AE

Than 25 acres, we wouldn't have proliferation of these ground mounted solar facilities.

AE

um And then the solar energy conversion facility is keeping the roof mounted may be subject to.

AE

Requirements of 158 or the mounted on a canopy in the parking air which was already allowed so.

AE

That's kind of that whole suction, h, language um in the use table. It would change it from prohibited.

AE

To conditional and then in um the definition of solar energy generating systems in commercial and.

AE

Employment campus districts, new language, was added under two that solar energy conversion facilities.

AE

Shall be permitted in the c2 district 1 roof mounted ground mounted. Solar systems are permitted.

AE

By conditional use and the c2 and then the new languages and employment campus district and.

AE

Then, under 4c that size limitation is added there, the their shall be a size limit for systems in the.

AE

Employment campus district to be no more than 25 acres or 50 percent of the gross site, whichever.

AE

Is lesser so that is the request? um Is there anything about the buffer? um What come under the.

AE

Landscaping requirements which are already a part of this, like in general for the employment campus.

A

How many employment campuses do we have in the county right now currently zoned two.

Q

E

Okay, I make the motion board of county commissioners adopt the proposal.

E

Proposed amendments to the ec district for the allowance of ground mounted solar.

E

Within the limits of the proposed amendment, second.

A

Okay, now I got a second: is there any discussion on this seen here? None all in favor, aye, okay,.

AE

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Now, let's talk about text amendments to the I-1 c3 districts.

AE

More of a complex text amendment this is regarding changes to the business industrial park, which is.

AE

Only um one particular district in the county under the I-1 and then change is moving forward.

AE

To the industrial park in the eye, one zone and the business park and the c3 zone again.

AE

The same process as the employment campus text amendment, these amendments were forwarded to.

AE

The planning and zoning commission for their recommendation. They reviewed these proposed.

AE

Changes after august 31st and september 20th meeting and then there was a public hearing held.

AE

On november 3rd, the only public comments we had, which were more just a discussion point- was from.

AE

um I think ms shafer had some comments during that time and mr pilam representing saint john.

AE

Property regarding this text amendment, but we received no additional public comment regarding.

AE

These changes they've been posted on the carroll county planning website under carol rezoning.org.

AE

And here's our chart of the zoning text amendment process and how it moves forward in the process.

AE

And then um the following it through the planning commission to the board action.

AE

So the proposed text has been posted since it went to planning commission.

AE

And you should have a clean copy, I believe in front of you today, but again simply the.

AE

Highlighted underlined as the new language a highlighted is the new proposal so adding a.

AE

Definition under 158.002 business industrial park, a project development approved under the business.

AE

Park provisions and effect prior to april 1, 2019, and that has to do with the only district that we.

AE

Have that's considered that in the current I-1 zone, so just clarifying language there under.

AE

15079 in the i1 light industrial district was to remove the limits for self-storage facilities.

AE

In the business industrial park, which were limited prior so now removing that limitation for for the.

AE

Square footage of that or percentage I should say percentage of the entire business industrial park.

AE

um And then going to the next section, which is two that self storage facility shall be.

AE

Regulated by the requirements of section 15079, which shall prevail over any conflict.

AE

Or inconsistency with any provisions required pursuant to the chapter, the requirements of.

AE

This section shall not apply two self-storage facilities developed within the business park.

AE

um And then next is actually number five is actually creating parking.

AE

um Requirements for the business industrial park and um spaces for the self storage as well.

AE

Right now, in order to calculate parking within the business industrial park, you have to figure out.

AE

What your different uses are and kind of calculate it almost use out of time within those parks, so.

AE

This was creating just a formula for a general standard across the business industrial park.

AE

Moving to page four, this moves to the c3 district. Specifically, oh, I apologize. I'm sorry we're still.

AE

In the i1- um and this is to um number six is under the commercial and industrial districts, the bulk.

AE

Requirements 158084 within these parks to have a zero yard proposed for the internal park and.

AE

I believe a drawing rendering was shown to where the exterior setback requirements to.

AE

The parks would still be enforced, but internal to the park there would be no, um which makes.

AE

Sense, no additional setbacks, buffers or landscaping requirements were the supplies.

AE

um And then, under the bulk requirements within the industrial districts that.

AE

Was for the commercial now for the industrial, be the same proposal under d.

AE

Now, moving specifically to the I-1 industrial park, which is 158156, the request is under two.

AE

E to increase the retail square footage size allowance to 25 000 square feet currently.

AE

It is ten thousand square foot. What page are you on linda? I'm sorry number, five page, five.

A

Thanks to e so to increase that increase that square footage limitation.

Y

Yeah, oh, I didn't move there. You go.

A

Up a little thank you there we go. Thank you. I apologize. It's all good.

AE

Okay, no, no okay,.

AE

um And now I'm moving to three c, um the following principle of permitted.

AE

Uses are also permitted by right by in an industrial park with that being subject.

AE

To the percentage limitations listed above so a through t have percentage.

AE

Limitations, I'm sorry or those are prohibited hold on are prohibited. Sorry. So now these.

AE

Are allowed permitted without limitations? Currently, that's conference center and hotel.

AE

And the request is for a medical or dental centers to also be included in that as well.

AE

Finally, moving to number seven again, this would be an industrial park shall.

AE

Be permitted to subdivide at the option of the developer subject to applicable requirements.

AE

Of chapter 155 related to subdivision, so basically allowing them to subdivide as the.

AE

Parks were originally envisioned, there would be no subdivision allowed, but, as was discussed.

AE

For various financing reasons and staging of these types of parks, this makes sense.

AE

Again, creating parking requirements where we have none, so this would be an average of 2.3 parking.

AE

Spaces per 1000 square feet of building so as opposed to again looking at each individual use.

AE

And trying to come up with the parking calculation for that, just standardize it across the park.

AE

Moving to page seven um f, a business park shall be permitted to subdivide so moving.

AE

To the business park section, which is now the commercial high c3 zone again similar.

AE

To the i1, these should be allowed to be subdivided at the option of the developer.

AE

um And then having a parking calculation, so this is a slightly increased parking.

AE

Calculation from the industrial because of the more commercial nature, so instead of.

AE

2.3 it's the same, but it's 3.5 parking spaces per 1000 feet of building area.

AE

And those are just a quick review of the changes that we've been discussing with these revisions.

A

Okay and it's gone through planning commission twice.

A

And public comment once public hearing correct public hearing, I apologize.

AE

And it's been posted on our website and we've received no outside comments. I'll move.

A

The board of county commissioners adopt proposed amendments to I-1 district and c3 district. Second,.

A

I got a motion got a second any discussion. All in favor aye got a question uh side. Note.

A

um Recreational cannabis is, you know, brought up obviously, and it's been passed.

A

Be how would you see this being addressed in carroll county? I mean right now we have the.

A

Medical we, you know, but I mean I I just don't know and I was asked I'm like I don't know. I.

A

Can make assumptions, but I rather not so the law was just passed and I think at this point we're.

AE

Going to wait for guidance to see, what's I will say this: it can't be zoned out of existence. We.

AE

Know this too, from the medical, so we're going to be following what happens in the general assembly.

AE

And looking for guidance from the state to see where this leads and that's pretty much what I.

A

Shared, I said, there's the law's there, but now legislation has to occur so. Okay, yeah thank.

AE

You so much all right. Thank you. So much happy thanksgiving. Thank you. Okay, um chris any callers.

A

Yes, sir, okay, anything for open administration at this time, 101 you come on up.

A

And let's talk about.

A

Next week, monday november, 28th and tuesday november 29th, we have nothing scheduled on.

A

Wednesday november 30th is a board of education and delegation meeting that.

A

Commissioner boucher and I will be attending thursday december 1st. We go into open session.

A

Fy24 maryland shelter and transitional housing facilities, capital grants from the steckel.

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Mortgage study, job classification structure, assessment by the siegel group- okay from our hr.

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Department of technology services- staffing, again hr- will be discussing sheriff to weasel.

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Be coming in uh approval to lease additional space at the former north carroll high school.

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Discontinued trailblazer, south carroll routes will be discussed.

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Removal and replacement of cooling equipment and I.t request approval for.

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Grant application acceptance of award century high school stormwater management retrofit.

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Request approval for grant application acceptance, award carroll county fall, 2023 tree planting.

A

At 4 pm there was a open house over at sergio's, uh commissioner lance and I are.

A

Attending I can't remember what that one is lsi clsi, that's right and then uh catherine's cause.

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Commissioner, lance will be attending at 7 pm. I will attend with you as well. Okay, on friday,.

A

I am uh attending the carroll county, realtors legislation, luncheon.

A

I I know where it is: I just have it on my phone saturday there's a mission barbecue vip brunch.

A

That uh I will be attending you did last time. Also there yeah, so uh I mean I'm almost out you.

C

Don't need my name on there anymore. I want you, that's out, you are there? That's a yummy evening.

B

That's out here, you are coming this morning so and then uh you're in until the fifth sunday.

A

I will be providing a podcast talking about commissioner wentz, the entire time on monday.

A

December 5th is the swearing-in of the 62nd board of county commissioners down in the reagan.

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Room: zero, zero, three and it's open to the public holiday lighting ceremony on tuesday december 6th.

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At 5 pm wednesday december 7th pearl harbor day, good scout award breakfast where I'll be attending.

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Over at pleasant valley, fire hall awesome I'll be serving you that day as you should be westminster.

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Senior center holiday lunch at 11 30 that day um I'll see what I can do put me in put me on that.

A

And then a planning commission, which is virtual um and we'll see who will be attending.

A

uh Thursday december 8th, we'll go into open session for the first time is the 62nd board.

A

And we have nothing scheduled right now and then at 6 30 p.m.

A

We have the mml quarterly meeting, I know I'll be attending. I believe the others will as well and.

A

Let's find out who they are you're, no longer a commissioner, so you're not going to be on there.

A

Friday december 9th south carroll senior center holiday lunch.

A

um You put me on there's a tb, you know as a potential and then there'll be a podcast. The.

A

Following sunday and I'm not sure, who's gonna be giving it, but it will not be me.

A

uh Is there anything else during this transitional time seen here, none nine years to adjourn happy.

J

Thanksgiving motion to adjourn I'm very happy thanksgiving motion in a second all in favor aye.

AD

Aye against now.