Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 14 Jan 2021

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I, like hammering this to commissioner weaver good morning, colonel county.

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It's commissioner, ed rothstein uh for our thursday open session. We have a.

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Good agenda this morning and we'll be breaking for lunch and then reopening.

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At 13 at one o'clock this afternoon, let's uh start with the pledge of allegiance and then um continue.

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To keep those in harm's way uh in your thoughts and prayers, those that are challenged with the.

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Virus I ask that we continue we're getting to know somebody very directly amongst us.

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You know a family friend, that's always you know now going through this pandemic and.

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Give courage to those that are making the right decisions uh down in dc in preparation.

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For the inauguration happening next week, as there are about 20 000 deployed into.

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The capital uh right now in preparation for this with that said, let's stand for the pledge.

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This conference will now be recorded.

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I just have a feeling: it's gonna be a long couple of weeks. um Okay, let's start with priority carol.

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And, let's start with commissioner boucher district four. Thank you, president rostein. uh Mr swam, do you.

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Have any of the photos or videos of the tree planting up here? Let's see we have on tuesday.

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I went out well here we'll do the roads first check this out. This is uh mr swam's handiwork.

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On the gravel road treatment on bethel road and I went out and took an inspect, it.

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But there's three different treatments right now: kathy burks and jim cook, I think, are reviewing the.

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Effectiveness of the three different processes that are in place, this is very important to not.

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Only my district, but commissioner lance is more so because we have the two most uh amounts of.

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Gravel roads in our district, especially mr lance's, and as far as I know, I think, they're preparing a.

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Report at the moment, they're reviewing it and they'll be getting back to us and we'll bring.

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That information to the public to discuss, because a lot of our constituents keep going asking.

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Us about the status of this, especially as we go through the winter. I think the winner damages the.

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Roads the most- and I think that's where our staff are reviewing and analyzing, which of the three.

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Processes will be the most economical and most efficient, so, mr swamp, thank you on that. uh The.

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Second thing is the tree planting. We have the the photos of the tree. Planting off gills falls road.

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I was here we go, this is amazing. I went out there on tuesday, one for hike practicing. uh The ultimate.

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Social distance and out there in the middle of nowhere it looks like, but it is absolutely.

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Gorgeous out there, this is in the flood plain of the gillis falls park area off gilles falls road.

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I went out for a walk, seen a couple deer even seen a flock of turkeys. That's absolutely.

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Gorgeous right now the tubes are the little seedlings or saplings. I guess they're called.

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The trees and the tubes protect the trees from being consumed by the white-tailed deer.

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Because they pretty much wipe out everything, especially during the winter, it's a beautiful.

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I'm looking forward to all those trees growing up and that helps us with our storm water management.

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The vegetation helps absorb some of the water and reduces the erosion and the contamination of.

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Possibly the bay, which is their objective with this, so thank you very much and appreciate mr.

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Swam having those videos and photos up, thank you great appreciate that insight, commissioner fraser.

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Thank you ed, a couple of things. First thing I had a neco meeting for energy, environment and land use.

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And mostly, the meeting talked about how other counties across the country were handling the.

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Pandemic and what was brought up time and time again, is that we're all in a state of emergency.

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But it's not the same as a regular state of emergency after a tornado or flood or.

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Something like that, because those events happen and then you clean up the aftermath.

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This is an ongoing event, and so things have to be handled differently and different, different.

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uh Counties across the country are, you know, are just looking at it a little different and handling.

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It and it was, it was interesting conversation and it isn't nice to sometimes hear from.

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A county in texas who gets to order from the rio grande and the county in colorado, who does it's.

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Just the different things, different perspectives of what's going on, so that was interesting. Now.

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Conference call and then I went to the ta transit advisory council meeting.

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Since the new routes have been put in even with covet, ridership is up, which is a really good thing.

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People are looking at the 30-minute wait times and ridership is up. They don't really want to make a.

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Big deal about it right now, because of course you don't want to overflow the buses because of covet.

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But it is a very, very positive sign really is um also I went to. I was on the opioid.

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I can't remember: what's obio tax force I was on, but when he one of those calls the other day.

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And the interesting thing that was brought up there is that if you have the naloxone, which.

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Is the antidote for someone that overdoses? If it's expired, you can still use it. They would advise you.

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To take it and get it, you know change for a new one and you can do that or exchange for a new one.

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Bring the old one in they'll exchange it for a new one, but don't panic. So! Oh my god.

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It's it's expired. You can still use it. It's still 90 effective after the expiration date.

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For time not forever, but for time, so look at the expiration date on here. If it's close.

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You might want to take it in and get exchanged if it's a little bit of past, don't panic! It can still.

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Be used until you exchange the net for the new one. So there's some things that I that I've.

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You know had uh meetings and so forth this past week and I'm sure everyone noticed.

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I'm wearing my ravens tie. Hopefully the ravens have success this weekend. Let's move on ravens.

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Wear a mask stay safe. Thank you. Thanks dennis district 2, commissioner weaver.

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Well, I feel like I've been hit on this morning. um Small comment there um anyway. um First of all,.

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I just want to thank the chamber of commerce and the 600 businesses in carroll, county or 600. Some.

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That belong to the chamber for hosting the state of the county uh address again this year and.

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And especially, leadership carol, which we meet with or met with uh just the other day uh in questions.

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And answers that is always, I think, a highlight of being commissioner to meet with that group of.

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uh People who have an interest in learning about carroll county and how it uh is uh how it actually.

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Works and the questions they have uh are usually very, uh very good. It's a learning experience for.

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All of us, but that is uh a great event, so I just want to say uh thank you again to the chamber of.

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Commerce for hosting that, as they do every year and uh for their sponsors, because it is.

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uh Tremendous, uh even though we had to do it differently this year, it worked great and.

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The farm bureau has their um legislative session, I think was monday night or whatever day it was here.

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uh Anyway, that went very well as far as uh getting their points of view out to legislators.

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uh Where they uh the concerns they have here in carroll county and where they want to uh continue.

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To have input, they are basically the landowners in the county, uh so they are the ones who.

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Need some, I need a voice there, and, uh aside from that, commissioner fraser you mentioned water.

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And what are issues in the western united states uh in some of those areas? And yes,.

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We do have some of those problems here and um well. We don't have the.

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Water shortages at the present time, but we can uh sometime in the future- and you know.

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uh Piney run was uh designed to be one of our sources and we never developed it.

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Beyond the building, the pond and the other two were kind of thrown to the wayside, and one of.

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These days it may become uh very valuable to us, but uh thank you for at least bringing that up.

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Okay thanks dick and commissioner lance district one good morning, everybody in the interest of.

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Our very packed agenda I'll yield my time to that thanks. Okay, again, the state of the county.

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Address uh appreciation, like uh commissioner weber shared with the chambered oak, but also our our.

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Team chris swam and his all his folks, it was uh seamless from start to finish, uh starting at 0-9.

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And finishing before, 10 so really appreciate the support from our entire team. Making that happen.

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um I attended the ag board meeting this week very informative, a great opportunity for me to.

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Really listen and learn and then share some of the things that are happening uh in the county.

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To the board they're very active board and we maintain social distancing at all times.

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The governor uh shared earlier this week about the relief act, we're still deciphering some of the.

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Specifics about that, so there's been much more to come, dealing with the relief act, the legislation.

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uh The legislators are down annapolis, they opened yesterday and we have mike fowler who.

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Will be coming on just a minute, uh a few minutes to talk about what to expect down in annapolis,.

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As bills are continuing to be introduced, so, like commissioner wentz says we have a very.

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Packed agenda not just today but uh walking into the rest of this winter, so with that said,.

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I know I mentioned a relief act as far as a state directive roberta have we provided.

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A press release or a information further than.

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What the state has provided on the relief act at this point.

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Our department of economic development did um put out the same information that the.

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Basically, reposted what the state did since it's the state's um um uh bill, and um I know.

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The chamber of commerce fit as well: okay, thanks and uh weekly commissioner lance.

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And I are on a call with the health department and the hospital on what's happening in our.

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Community dealing with uh this pandemic and I'd like to lead that right into, I think ed.

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Singer's not on but maggie, is to give us an update on uh what's happening in carroll county.

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Regarding the health situation of pandemic, so miss maggie you're up.

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Miss maggie may not be up so there. She is okay, maggie, we see you, but we can't hear you.

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Check your gear wheel, check your gear wheel, make sure your microphone's chosen.

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Top right hand, side.

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Still not hearing it.

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Why are we getting the hats and t-shirts that say check your gear? Yeah. An interest of time is mike.

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Fowler on mike fowler is on maggie, I'm going to send you the phone number.

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Okay, so mike, why don't you uh jump on and uh tell us how the first day of session went.

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um And what we should expect over the next uh week or so and then go from there so good morning, mike.

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And thank you good morning. Yes, it's uh good to see you I'd like to say good to be with you, but we.

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Play the cards were dealt, I guess. uh Yes, you are correct. The session started yesterday. The.

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Flag fell uh began, of course, with the typical election of leadership, which remains essentially.

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The same, certainly, the president of the senate, ferguson and speaker jones. There is a change.

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Of leadership, minority leadership in the senate, senator simon air, from anne arundel county, becomes.

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The majority leader and senator huff becomes the majority whip, so the uh I don't know if you had an.

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Opportunity to view any of the session yesterday, but uh you you will see that the senate chamber.

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Is divided into 47 phone booths? Essentially, there are a lot of joking about that.

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But they are protected completely in the senate chamber. The house is divided, though, uh being 141.

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Members, they have split them essentially in half and about half have been annexed to another.

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Location over in the house office building, so it's uh it's gonna, be very strange. It was a little.

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Difficult uh to in the senate to see some of the senators as they spoke of course, they're all.

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Masked, at the same time, so very very odd, uh to see, of course, there's a no entrance policy in effect.

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Staff, members and staff are the only ones allowed in the building. Lobbyists and visitors are.

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Not allowed there is a the potential to have an in-person meeting uh with them, but it needs to.

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Be scheduled in batch need to be escorted in the building uh and, and it is essentially frowned upon.

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So our communication, with uh with the delegation and with the the balance of the assembly.

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uh Is really going to be with phone calls and and text and emails to the extent possible.

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All the floor sessions, all the committee hearings and for the first time.

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All the voting sessions are going to be live streamed. I think it's going to be.

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Very very beneficial, very interesting, particularly to see the voting sessions.

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The floor sessions in the chambers are going to be limited to two hours and they'll take a break.

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After two hours and sanitize the chamber so uh for the first um couple of weeks.

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The the meetings uh the floor sessions will be few and far between. I think they'll wait until they.

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Get a number of bills heard because the hearings will begin today before they start any type of.

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Debate and and voting on that, so the testimony structure changes significantly as well. uh The.

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Days of packing, the uh the hearing room with large numbers of proponents or opponents.

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Appear to be over for this session witnesses are going to be limited to four in favor.

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uh Two favorable with amendments and four opposed, and only on the opposed two will be selected at.

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Random and then two organizations will be chosen by the chair, so this is going to be a a highly.

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Let's say scripted and I don't mean that in a necessarily in a negative way. But.

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But a scripted way to to hold these hearings so that the members are are going to be.

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Really, I imagine, inundated with written testimony with phone calls and emails, as they typically are.

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But we won't see those those large turnouts this year. The other thing is the sign up to testify.

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Rather, whether oral or written needs to be done two days in advance, so we're really going to.

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Have to stay on top of this session to make sure that if we do feel strongly about something and.

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We do want to weigh in that we get into that two-day window or or we're out of luck. uh So.

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Moving on their their general legislative agenda uh after the last session, uh each of the leaders.

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Put together a task force, a work group um on on two issues in the senate was the president's.

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Advisory work group on equity and inclusion and in the house it was speaker's work group to address.

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Police reform and accountability in maryland, so that's going to be a very strong focus. This.

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Session, obviously, police reform, equity inclusion, including health disparities, uh always education.

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uh Elections will be a strong focus and, of course, uh coveted relief and then the environment.

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And climate, as it as it typically is, uh you saw, the governor's agenda uh is pretty.

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Straightforward he's proposed the relief act of 2021 uh amounting to a billion dollars of relief.

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So direct payments to recipients of the earned income tax, credit uh it repeals state and local.

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Taxes on unemployment benefits uh offers sales tax credits to business and extends unemployment tax.

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Relief for small business so he's not. uh He has not submitted that bill, yet at least is not not.

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uh Available uh yet, but we'll be taking a close look at that when it does um you're all familiar.

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Likely with mako's legislative agenda, obviously we want to keep our budgets uh safe elections.

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Are are a significant issue, as certainly as we've seen in this last presidential election, but.

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uh Funding fairness and the county's role in elections there's been about a 20-year.

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uh Gentleman's agreement, if you will about funding elections and typically a 50-50 split.

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And there there's going to be a push to try to codify that, to make sure that's. That's remains.

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The same broadband expansion is obviously something near and dear to us here and the.

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State funding of public health and emergency agencies. Obviously so there were a number of.

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Bills introduced yesterday formally introduced yesterday, as I think you mentioned in an earlier.

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Session about 900 bills were pre-filed that that was obviously to get a head start on the session.

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Since it's going to be a real challenge to keep things uh moving as they as they typically were,.

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So a lot of those bills have been uh introduced. There will obviously be more to come yesterday. The.

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They had a schedule of vetoed bills, bills that had been vetoed by the governor after the last session.

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They chose not to act on those they were carried over to friday. Kerwin was not.

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Among them, most of these bills were the duplicate bills. As you know, bills are uh cross-filed and if.

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Both of them wind up passing, then the governor will veto one of them because it's applicative.

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uh But there were also a number of those bills in there that were vetoed for policy.

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Concerns I saw this morning that friday's session in the house is a pro forma session, so they won't.

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Be taking any action on those fridays, so I assume that will be moved again. Move forward to.

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Another date, but again I think most glaringly the kirwan bill was not was not among them.

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The medical legislative committee commissioner, frazier and, uh and commissioner rossdy and excuse.

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Me, commissioner, lance um obviously participated in that, so there were a number of bills that that.

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Came before you and were considered um some of these uh well first of.

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All several subtraction modification bills, tax bills that we see every year.

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Where the members will put forward a subtraction modification for a tax exemption and mako.

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Has a general policy that we would prefer those bills to be a tax credit, because that would leave.

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The county's budgets unaffected by that, so the number of those were considered community.

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College funding we supported that the the to uh increase there was a chan offer of a change to the.

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Formula funding uh funding formula excuse me last year, so there's a bill into to restore that.

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A bill we saw a couple of bills. Actually we saw last year that have been reintroduced. One is.

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The use of video cameras in special education classrooms a very challenging and expensive bill.

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uh Which was opposed by the the committee uh another bill.

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Reintroduced from last year, that did not make it through is uh senate bill 330, which would.

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Require uh construct state, funded construction and renovation projects to make sure that the.

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Roofs of the buildings are constructed as such to be able to support in the future.

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Solar panels that'll be a very expensive, obviously very expensive thing to do, and that was also posed.

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By the committee also another bill coming back is the constitutional amendment for environmental.

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Rights which would basically grant standing to anyone to intercede in any type of.

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Environmental project or issue another very, very bad bill. Frankly, that that the committee opposed.

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Prevailing wage again, it would extend prevailing wage requirements to any project with state.

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Funds, and that would that would be primarily your schools. Another bill that the committee opposed.

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uh One change in broadband right now: there's the raw broadband the office of rural broadband.

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There's a consideration to combine that to create the office of broadband.

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And joint committee of broadband and that's an effort really to consolidate.

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The efforts uh across the state not only to expand uh broadband, but they can continue to improve it.

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So so that would was also supported by by the committee and an interesting bill was a a.

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Proposal to require state and local government and private employers to extend teleworking.

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To the maximum extent, practical um each county must have a teleworking plan which, of course, you.

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Do but this would require teleworking as much as possible. This sponsor has admitted this is really.

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A traffic bill, a bill to reduce traffic, uh but the challenges and the and the mandate of of that.

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um Are just a bit bit much so the committee has uh has again uh voted to oppose that. So that's that's.

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Kind of where we are, um I did see I'll mention one other issue is, of course, the environment and.

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Climate, senator pinsky and delegate stein will be offering what they are calling it.

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Another name of the bill at the moment, but it's essentially a climate plan that would decrease.

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Would decrease greenhouse gas emissions to 60 percent of the 2006 level.

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By 2030 and very ambitious, and also to plant uh 5 million trees across the state, that's not been.

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Introduced yet, but we'll be taking a close look at that, because the details will be uh as they say,.

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The devil's in the detail so we'll be looking hard at that, uh so that that's kind of where we are.

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Things were moved a little slowly yesterday, but but uh the hearings start in earnest today, so.

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We'll we'll see where this takes us, that's all. I have for you today, hey mikey. I appreciate you.

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Threw down a lot, uh it's like the table of context to a big book. You know and it'll be.

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Interesting how these chapters are played out but uh same questions, comments to mr fowler.

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I'm all about the tree planting that was nice to hear. That was the best part of your presentation.

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Anything um you know the governor said that the relief act was going to be the first on the agenda.

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For the legislators to act on, uh but if he hasn't submitted it yet you know that's.

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Gonna be interesting: how that plays out yeah it could it it. I expect it any day now, frankly, okay.

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Okay again appreciate all you're doing appreciate, keeping us uh up to date. Continue to uh you know.

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Reach out to us anytime uh throughout the week and um yeah, I think we're gonna just make this as.

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You know a weekly event, so for all those that are listening, uh you know getting what is happening in.

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Annapolis and the focus on uh the districts that cover carroll, county and carroll county specific.

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Really appreciate you know mike all you're doing okay. Thank you. Oh one thing real quickly. Please.

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Mr power keep us posted on the buzz about the governor's redistricting citizen commission.

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That he's put together I'm very curious as to how that perceives what will happen with that.

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So whatever you can find out about that, please keep us posted because.

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That's all have, I think, one of the greatest impacts upon our district in the near future when the redistricting comes up. So thank you very much. Absolutely.

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Okay, I see miss maggie and I see you also on the phone so you're up thanks. Okay, can you hear me.

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Excellent okay, um great hopefully now I can also share my screen um all right.

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Sorry about that, thanks for the uh for uh you know second, second chance um now I have a new.

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Nickname maggie on the phone, so um you can call me mop for short, that was good. That's chris is.

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A nickname for me. I appreciate that thanks uh thanks for letting me sign in uh twice.

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um So I'll just kind of run through these slides that you're you're used to um no no big surprises.

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um You'll see, let's see, hopefully we can get this moving um too many. I think I need one more screen.

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There we go okay, so um as you'll notice there are, um you know we just kind of continued to go up.

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This this uh graph we've presented now for a few weeks. It combines the confirmed and probable so.

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As you know, the probables don't count, um you know in our totals on our website, but we do count them.

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And we do follow up with all of those folks who are probable and, as you can see, both the.

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Confirmed number of cases and the probable cases are increasing, and this last week was our highest.

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Number of confirmed cases, yet it was 493 cases, so um so pretty pretty high rates we're seeing.

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Across the county.

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uh Here's our 7 our 14 day, rolling average. You can see there's a little bit of a drop.

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I know ed has kind of attributed that to possibly the fact that for a couple of weeks we had.

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uh Weeks where there were only two days of testing instead of three at our site and.

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Other testing sites were also limited by the labs being closed on some of those holidays.

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um So that may account for some of the the dip there, but we are right back up um pretty high.

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These are the two graphs by age which I just have been putting both of them in there, because.

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There are kind of different ways of looking at the same thing, but as you can see our last.

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Line in this graph is is quite high and there really increases in all of the the age groups.

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And here's a little bit of a better breakdown, so you can see, um see they're all ticking up as you.

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Can see um our highest age group has been sort of consistently in that 45 to 64 year age range.

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Next, we have hospitalizations, and I like to to mention every time that um you know the the past.

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Couple weeks are usually a little bit low because it takes a little time to get that data in um and.

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This is an unusual set of data because it's not reflecting hospitalizations at carroll hospital.

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It's reflecting hospitalizations of uh people in carroll, county residents, who have tested positive.

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For uh for covid uh at any point, so um it's not as closely tied to our own hospital but definitely to.

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Our residents and their level of hospitalization and those numbers at the end usually go up.

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After a week or two as we get more data in here's, our hospitalization and deaths.

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By age group, uh so you can see there are um you know. Obviously the the older age group has higher.

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Rates of both, but um as garrett hoover mentioned um on the uh school board meeting last week when.

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He was presenting, they are seeing about over 50 percent of their patients are in the 40 to 59 year.

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Age range, so we're definitely seeing an uptick in hospitalizations in those middle age ranges.

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And here our death by week of death, um obviously you can see that we have definitely.

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Had an increase in fatalities over the last several uh weeks couple of months, the blue line.

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Although the confirmed community deaths and we've consistently had one two community deaths for the.

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Last, I can't count not at least nine weeks it's several weeks, so um we've really seen just a an.

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Uptick in in fatalities uh in the in the community and continue to see fatalities in the facilities.

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uh So this is commissioner boucher's special slide. um He likes to you know he has he always.

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Has a special question for us, and so um I we did put this together for him on request. uh He was.

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Asking about the fatality rate- and I know um one of the things he wanted to point out- was that.

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This is good news, the fatality rate is going down and that's definitely true. You can see the top.

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Graph is for um all of our, you know, residents so facilities and community residents, and you.

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Can see how high the case fatality ratio was at the beginning? um That was, of course, when, um when.

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Things were very new and the disease was very new and when it was, you know, spreading in facilities.

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And reaching a lot of vulnerable populations and older adults and our fatalities were really high.

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Since then, we've definitely learned a lot about controlling the spread controlling the infection.

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And treating uh people with covet, and so yes, the fatality rate has gone down significantly, which.

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Is which is great news, um and we continue to learn more about how to treat it and uh also, of course,.

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um More people who are younger are getting sick and hopefully they're if they're, healthier and.

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Able to um to weather the the covid infection a little bit better, um but I do want to point.

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Out that, as you may notice, um by number of deaths, the number of deaths um has increased again uh so.

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After that, first wave, when we had so many so many fatalities in the spring the summer, we had a lull.

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Kind of a lull in um in cases and a lull and fatalities. But that's gone back up and even though.

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The case fatality rate has gone down so not as many people per case are dying because we've had.

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So many cases that the the number of fatalities is still higher uh in the last three months than than.

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It was all through those uh the summer months and early fall, so I just want to point that out that.

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Even though it is good news that the fatality rate is going down, the number of fatalities has uh has.

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Ms coons, thanks for taking the time to put that report together, it's been so depressing lately.

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With with the skyrocketing and infections and the fatalities, I think it's good to get a little bit.

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Of glimmer of hope and some good news out of it, so thank you very much for putting that together.

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For us you're welcome, you're welcome. It is always good to point out good news and um hopefully.

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The next two slides will also be seen as good news um with it with a vaccination uh information, so.

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Anybody anybody have any questions about the data so far before I get into the vaccination piece.

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Okay, so I'll move forward with that and just a reminder, as I sure you know, and we can talk.

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About this, but you know, I think that what I took from these slides, in addition to the.

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Fact that we're you know we're learning a lot about the disease, which is which is good news.

J

um Is that we just need to continue to do all we can to slow the spread that this increase in cases.

J

Does lead to an increase in hospitalizations, which leads to an increase in deaths, and so.

J

We just need to continue to wear a mask wash our hands social distance, avoid large groups. It saves.

J

Lives and the more people that do it, the better it works. So just that's my message from that slide.

J

All right so you've all seen this this pyramid and I'm sure everybody is aware that the governor is.

J

Going to speak today at five and uh may give us an update on how how the rollout is going to proceed.

J

We know the federal government has expressed a lot of interest in um in vaccinating larger.

J

Groups of people, especially older adults, and so we're just waiting to hear a little more about.

J

How that's going to work um here in maryland, so we'll all be listening at five to see.

J

uh To see what the governor has to add um and kind of to the experience, so um we just want.

J

I'll I have some slides here, but they're even a little out of date, um just because we uh we had a.

J

Clinic yesterday- and I just want to kind of give you the latest information but.

J

um I do just want to say ed and I talked right before this meeting and he just wanted people.

J

To know that um you know the vaccinations that we receive the vaccine we receive this week is.

J

Going out next week and that allows us to plan uh and make sure that we have people registered and.

J

That we're we're using all the doses that we have, um and it just allows for kind of a more.

J

um Kind of orderly process of getting vaccine out, so we have about 1400 doses for next week.

J

Plus 100 second doses, and with those second doses, our workload load, is going to start to.

J

Get heavier because we'll be giving second doses along with obviously getting a lot of.

J

First doses: um we anticipate that if things go as as expected that we'll be getting more vaccine.

J

Soon, but we don't know yet when or where, um where we'll we'll get, you know when we're going to get.

J

It and where we'll be able to give it out, um but we are preparing to expand our capacity.

J

um We've requested national guard support and if we get a team, they'll likely be at one additional.

J

Location um but we're still working on the logistics of that and where that will be, and.

J

How that will look- um and we haven't- haven't received that confirmation, yet.

J

We do want to know we. We continue to get amazing help from our community partners to run these.

J

Clinics um a lot of county staff, as I'm sure you know, have uh have been helping us with the.

J

Clinics and have been just essential and very just very great, it's great to work with very helpful.

J

And very upbeat and positive about helping us with the vaccine, clinics um and ems law enforcement and.

J

Other community partners have really stepped up to help us and we're going to continue to need.

J

More help as we expand our capacity. If I can answer your question on that, one uh volunteers.

F

uh Say: nurses that want to volunteer to help? How would they go about uh volunteering? Do.

F

You need the help yet or when you need it as we get into the larger populations. That's a great.

J

Question, commissioner weaver, thank you. So we um we are using a lot of a lot of volunteers.

J

They are coming through. Our maryland restriction system, so maryland responds is a sort of a medical.

J

And public health volunteer corps um and the link is available on the front of our web page.

J

um And we ask all of our volunteers to go through that process unless they're, you know.

J

Their folks who work for the county um or other uh local local partners, but if you're um as a.

J

Nurse or a doctor, or um even just help volunteer in another way. You can go to the maryland response.

J

System there's just a brief training and some information, and then that allows us.

J

To help coordinate, we send out messages to those volunteers on that uh you know on our mailing list.

J

Who are in maryland, responds and coordinate, and one of the things that really works best for us is.

J

To have a consistent set of volunteers working at these sites, you know working together, like a team.

J

um It just makes things run more smoothly, so um you know we especially appreciate people.

J

Who are able to volunteer? You know just a regular amount of time so that um that we can consistently.

J

uh You know keep those teams together and and just are really able to um to do a good job.

J

You know just using using all the the volunteers together so, but we definitely I would love to have.

J

Volunteers and just encourage you to go through the maryland response system on our website.

A

Hey maggie before you move forward, what is the not exact, but you know estimated.

A

Percentage of those uh asked to get vaccinate or eligible to get vaccinated that are vaccinated.

A

When it comes to first responders and healthcare providers, you know that's a good question. I don't.

J

Know for sure I know we are pretty close to um you know some of the the first responders have.

J

Have chosen to stagger their staff so they haven't all been vaccinated yet.

J

um But I believe in this coming week we will be able to pretty much finish up.

J

uh 1A, so that's all the healthcare workers first responders law enforcement, ems.

J

And healthcare providers, so I think, we'll be able to finish up most of those we'll have.

J

Some stragglers and we'll certainly be able to fit them into subsequent subsequent weeks, so we hope.

K

To have one of our clinics finish them up next week I apologize um there's one piece to finish up.

A

The 1a, but then the other piece is just because you're eligible and.

A

Available to you, there are still those that are not accepting the vaccination so understanding the.

A

Percentages of those not accepting the vaccination, I believe, is important as we continue to promote.

A

The importance of this vaccination um and when it when available to take the vaccination but there's.

A

Still, those that are not- and uh you know that it's important for us to understand that number and.

A

Then also why they're saying no to just you know to get to persuade them to take it. So, but thanks.

D

If I may follow up, because I think commissioner ralston presented a really good question to help.

D

Us put in perspective: can we go back to the pyramid uh graph that you had up all right.

D

With the 1a and all because yeah, thank you because I think what we have 168 000.

D

Citizens in the county- and I had to ask mr singer last night if we could possibly get.

D

uh The numbers at each level that we're faced with, like how many citizens are in 1a, how many are 1b.

D

As we hear about the trickling in vaccines like 1500, I think it's good if we can see what's coming.

D

In up against what we are or physically faced with and and your health department trying to surma.

D

Is how many people are in each of these groups? So we have a better understanding of what we're.

D

Faced with so eventually, I like to try to see to break down all the different levels.

D

And put that up against the amount of vaccines that are coming in and that'll be a good emphasis.

D

To the public to see what we have to deal with, if we can get that, I appreciate it. So thank you.

J

Sure I'll, let you know a couple things about this pyramid, so um you know as you as you may imagine,.

J

There is some um there's some some. There are some details that we don't it's hard to know exactly.

J

Who all fits into some of these categories and the ages? That's pretty straightforward, but some.

J

Of the other categories um aren't 100 clear, um so that makes it a little bit complicated and.

J

We are, you know, we're we're working to to contact working. You know with a lot of these.

J

Facilities and specific organizations and groups to contact them and get them to get vaccinated and.

J

I made notes- and I think both of you had great questions but I'll just let you know we're.

J

You know we're all hands on deck right now, trying to get um to get the vaccine out and trying to.

J

Get information to people who really want to get vaccinated, and so um we're just we're just swapped.

J

And so, um even though we are we're, definitely doing our best to get um you know to reach.

J

Everybody- and you know our priorities- to really get people vaccinated and to get information to.

J

People who are interested in getting vaccinated, so I will do my best to get uh to get some of.

J

That information for you, but it may not be- um may not be right away uh to get some of those stuff.

D

I completely understand what you're faced with, but as far as a managerial standpoint,.

D

Understanding what we're faced with and how to address it in numbers.

D

Is one of the most important things we have to solve the problem, so even just trying to.

D

Put us in some sort of ballpark round numbers for the public to conceptualize.

D

What we're faced with and what we have coming in, I appreciate it. So thank you maggie just one.

F

Just one other question: um I know the volunteer. I had some volunteers ask how they volunteer.

F

I've had some other people ask: how will they be notified.

F

uh Later on in the two and three categories, um especially the general population,.

F

Will they be notified or be a clinic type thing? How do you anticipate putting this together.

J

Right, uh so you know so for now with where we are. um You know, with the um that we're kind of in the.

J

You know the one starting in the 1b um we're able to um to reach out to people to individuals and.

J

And to groups and organizations, but we'll also obviously be reaching out to the general public.

J

um As it gets larger, these groups get larger, we'll do more public outreach um and certainly.

J

People can call our call center. People can go to our website um and to get more information about.

J

uh Registration is available, um hopefully, at that point, where we're when we're down in the two and.

J

Three, um there will be more uh places you can get the vaccine, so hopefully people will be able to.

J

Go to maybe their health care provider or their nearby pharmacy um as well. As you know, some other.

J

Clinics and things like that, and so um as we have that information we'll be getting that out to the.

J

Public and through all of our partners, um but we might not be able to do individual, um might not be.

J

Able to kind of people individually, but certainly people can call us and can email us, and you can.

J

Contact us in some way and get that information, but we'll also try to keep that up to date. On our.

J

Website so people can check and see how we're making progress and see what they want to do.

J

All right, so I think just getting on to I think, just to let you know a couple numbers.

J

um So I just as I think you already know this, but so the first week we had 103 people um vaccinated.

J

Last week we vaccinated 1183, um and this week we're I think we vaccinated around 700.

J

People yesterday, so um we are, our goal is every week to get out all the vaccines that we have.

J

um Have gotten the week before so um the way we do clinics? We, um as I think you know, we register.

J

People for appointments, uh and that allows us to keep things more organized um we've got a lot of.

J

Compliments on the on the experience, I think it's pretty smooth. I mean everybody has to wait for 15.

J

Minutes to um you know after the vaccine, but we were able to get people in and out pretty quickly.

J

um And to make sure that people who are you know in the correct phase, are getting vaccinated so.

J

We don't want people waiting in line for hours, trying to get a vaccine. We want to keep it and.

J

As orderly as possible- but we are, we are using our vaccine every week and making sure that all the.

J

Doses get out so we're not wasting any um one. Other thing I do want to mention so next week.

J

We're gonna we're gonna. As I said, we're gonna be finishing up 1a as much as possible, but we will.

J

Also be starting, uh some of 1b, so we'll be getting some public and private schools and child cares in.

J

uh To get vaccinated um and I'm checking to see, if I miss anything in my notes, um we you know so then.

J

Hopefully, uh soon after that, we'll be um we'll be getting to some of the other. uh The older age.

J

Groups- and um we do have an interest form on our website- that I want to bring people's attention to.

J

We just started it this week. um It's for people over 65 or people who have a health condition.

J

That puts them at a greater risk for a serious illness from covid19 um and uh it just it's not a.

J

Registration form, but it's an interest form where people can fill out uh just to say that they're.

J

Interested in getting the vaccine and can answer just a few quick questions where they live, whether.

J

They be able to get to a site uh things like that. That will just help us to plan and then we'll help.

J

Allow us to contact them um when we're ready with registration information, so um encourage people to.

J

Fill that out, people who don't have access to the internet can call our call center at 410-876-4848.

J

It's open from eight to five monday through friday, and they will help you fill out the form.

J

And I think that's about it for me, like there was one more thing. um One thing that ed did want.

J

To mention is that we're you know we're really working hard with our community partners to make.

J

Sure that they're, um you know that their staff or folks are getting vaccinated um when their phase.

J

Comes up but we're a little challenged by some of these smaller smaller group homes and spoke.

J

To our homebound we don't have the resources to to go to all those locations because we have to.

J

Focus on these mass vaccination clinics with large numbers of people, so we're we're kind of waiting.

J

For guidance to see a little bit more about how we're going to how we're going to be able to.

J

Vaccinate those books maggie thanks and um yes, you are working very well with the community partners.

A

Appreciate you ed and the entire team, I continue to hear um praise strong positive comments about.

A

What's happening as far as the testing site, uh the professionalism, the courtesy, the.

A

The care that's being shown because nobody wants to go there and get some. You know, get.

A

Tested especially the way they are, but um last night I got another uh message um about.

A

Just how well they're being taken care of and the care compassion, professionalism so continue.

A

To share that, and we will continue to uh share that as well, but just want to throw that out there.

J

Thank you, commissioner. I appreciate that we have a great team. Yes, you do. Okay, any other anything else.

A

Okay, seeing hearing none, let's move on um roberto is there anything else for.

A

Dealing with the pandemic either locally, this conference is no longer being recorded.

B

No, not that I'm aware. Thank you. Okay, let's move on start with that with.

A

Celine dealing with medicare improvements for patient provider act or mipa grant submission.

A

Ms celine euron and miss deb go for it all right good morning. Commissioners, I'm here.

L

Before you this morning, with gina valentine the bureau chief of aging disabilities.

L

Roberta lawrence, our aging and disability services supervisor and debbie stanford our grants officer.

L

And this morning we come before you because we are seeking acceptance and approval. Excuse me approval.

L

For the medicare improvements and for patients and providers act, our mipa grant submission.

L

And award acceptance, um this award period would be from september 1st through august 31st of 2021.

L

This is renewable funding that we receive each year, I'm going to pass it to gina who.

L

Will give you more details and then she'll pass to roberta to give us some additional.

L

Information on on the our ideas and plans for the funding this this season. Thank you, celine good.

M

Morning, everyone, the maryland department of aging, received mipa funding from the administration for.

M

Community living for fiscal year, 21, um which is being allocated to area agencies on aging.

M

The purpose of the grant is to enhance outreach efforts and activities that.

M

Promote enrollment of medicare beneficiaries in several medicare programs, the nipple funding.

M

Will be used to provide promote, excuse me enrollments and low-income programs with a.

M

Special emphasis on rural areas, individuals under 65 and individuals, aging into medicare, medicare.

M

Savings programs result in improved access to health care for low-income medicare beneficiaries.

M

The um the funding will be applied to staffing in the amount of two hundred and forty dollars.

M

Marketing in the amount of one thousand fifty dollars printing and supplies four hundred dollars.

M

Training two hundred dollars and other costs at three hundred dollars for and there's no um county.

M

uh Match required um for a total grant award of 7190, um so at this time I'm going to pass it.

M

To roberta, excuse me if I slip up because we called for bobby, so it's.

N

I'll respond to both good morning, this grant requires our program to focus on three priorities.

N

First, to provide enhanced outreach to eligible medicare beneficiaries regarding their benefits.

N

And outreach to individuals who may be excuse me eligible for extra help, low income, subsidy or.

N

Medicare savings programs: there will be a focus on individuals under the age of 65 with disabilities.

N

Beneficiaries who reside in rural areas and individuals who are new to medicare or aging into.

N

Medicare, who may need assistance? Secondly, there will be a focus on community-based projects to.

N

Reach these target prop excuse me populations. Such programs will include partnering with the carroll.

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County public library system to offer welcome to medicare sessions that will be held virtually.

N

And these have been very well attended in this previous year, providing information to individuals.

N

Who apply for farmers, market coupons and mailings that are sent to individuals aging into medicare?.

N

The final priority is to train maryland access point staff who work with the bureau of aging.

N

And disabilities, and also the ship volunteers to educate them about medicare savings programs.

N

And benefits that are aimed at promoting wellness and preventing disease. So each year our program.

N

Reaches well over 2 000 people individually through our program activities, we also place ads.

N

In the carroll county times, which reaches close to around 20 000 subscribers, okay, um any questions.

A

I do have one bobby: you mentioned rural areas. um Is that defined or is it just saying rural areas.

A

I mean you know it's it's. I don't want to say it's a tricky uh question. It's just I'm curious.

A

If that is defined uh in any way that you're the way you read um and gina, maybe you can correct.

N

Me if I'm wrong, I know that some of our areas of focus have been in different areas as far as our.

N

Low income subsidized housing facilities for our seniors in different areas of the county.

N

Is that correct genome that will be answering that area? It is, but we also reached out to the outs.

M

Outskirts excuse me of the county, such as you know, um tawny town, um reaching down into the southern.

M

End as well, so um I think well maryland, department of aging doesn't you know, provide us with a.

M

Specific definition for rural and we do try to reach all of those you know outside areas outside.

M

Of the more populated counties or um cities and in jurisdictions, okay, okay, any uh questions.

A

Comments, I was gonna say, like the commissioner wants areas what you're talking about. I got you.

F

The board of commissioners approved the medicare improvements for patients and.

F

Providers act grant submission and acceptance of the award next. Second, okay: we have a motion.

A

We have a second any further comments or questions seeing hearing none all in favor.

A

Okay, we're uniting us. Thank you, ladies thank you.

D

I just want to publicly let you know that I've heard praise for the job that you and your staff.

D

Are doing during these trying times so thank you. I know it's been very stressful on everyone. I know.

D

You're working long days, but people out there are giving us feedback that you're doing a wonderful.

D

Job you and all your staff, so thank you awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

A

Okay, let's move on to uh parks and rec, I think jeff should be on.

A

Line for carroll, county sports, complex soccer field lighting good morning, mr tickets,.

C

Good morning, commissioners, so I'll turn it over to maureen to get started with the bid information.

C

And then I'll give you some background information and answer any questions you have on the project.

O

Good morning, commissioners, good morning.

O

We did go out to bid for the carroll county sports, complex soccer field, lighting.

O

And we are requesting your approval to award the contract for the installation of the new.

O

Field lighting at the sports complex to eastern sales and engineering company in the amount of a.

O

Hundred and eighty four thousand three hundred dollars and I'll turn it back over to jeff.

C

All right, as you can see, we had quite a range of bids that came in for this project.

C

From the recommended bid of 184 000, all the way up to 358 000.

C

uh We had some very good conversations with some of the vendors who came out to the pre-bid meeting.

C

And obviously there was a lot of interest in the project the recommended bid, the company.

C

That we're recommending is also doing some work for the town of manchester, with lights.

C

At christmas tree park and they had a very good recommendation from the town manager, there.

C

And this big amount is well within the approved budget of 280 000.

C

And I also would like to note that the funds budgeted for this project, approximately 96 of.

C

Those funds are coming from program, open space or impact fees, so those are dedicated funds only for.

C

Park improvement projects and with that I'd, be happy to answer any questions that you all have.

A

Can we move that 96 000, that's left over into further open funds or open parks funds? What we.

A

Typically do if a project comes in under budget like this, those uh pos funds program open space.

C

Funds get reverted to other park projects so that will help fund other other park projects either.

C

Currently or in the coming years, so we would not lose that money.

C

Awesome: okay, this lighting that we're putting up jeff is this additional. Until lighting is.

E

Already there is that why you called it new or to replace an old lighting with new lighting.

C

uh This is additional. uh Last year we did a project which re-lamped.

C

The three softball fields which had lights uh we retrofitted them with led lighting this project.

C

Will be lighting one soccer field that does not currently have light, so this is new. Thank you.

A

Where is it located soccer field? We have two soccer fields at the complex. They are parallel.

C

To john owings road right at the intersection of john owings road in littlestown pike,.

C

This will be the soccer field, further away from littlestown pike.

A

Okay, any further questions or comments I'll make the motion.

E

The commissioners award this project carroll, county sports, complex soccer field,.

E

Lighting to eastern sales and engineering company in the amount of 184 300 dollars.

A

Oh you all here.

D

A

Okay, can you hear now? Okay, we got a motion on the floor from commissioner frazier. I.

A

Seconded the motion: is there any further discussion or questions on this motion.

A

Seeing hearing none all in favor, okay, it's unanimous great job jeff and thank you very much.

A

Maureen: okay: let's move on to planning everything: okay, chris yep: okay: let's move on to planning.

A

And I don't want to say, sit back, but uh we have some time allotted in moving forward with uh the.

A

Adoption of comprehending uh requests and map ordinances linda ms eisenberg europe.

C

P

Can you all hear me now we got a good deal. Okay, good! Sorry about that. I always when you.

P

Switch formats, it um messes up your previous settings so anyway, good morning, commissioners.

P

We are here before you today uh for your adoption of the ordinance to adopt the fire request.

P

Commercial industrial and employment campus math amendment over the past year, the department of.

P

Planning accepted, review, reviewed and commented on 28 by request comprehending applications. These are.

P

Reviewed with the public, the planning commission and you the board of county commissioners,.

P

Following the review, planning, stuff and planning commission did recommend these to the board of.

P

County commissioners, on october 20th, um through numerous listening sessions and a public hearing.

P

Held on december 3rd, uh the with the board, we also had um work sessions after the.

P

Public hearing for you all to have discussion and provisional votes so today, I'm here before you.

P

And I sent to pack it up earlier this week of the properties, um what their common name is, what their.

P

Current zoning is the requested zoning and then what your provisional vote is. We also prepared the.

P

Corresponding zoning maps based on the provisional votes so chris, if I can share my screen, please.

P

Or greg control, room.

P

So the first list are 19 properties that you all get a provisional.

P

Vote of a favorable recommendation for the comprezoning request. I'm not going to run through.

P

Them again, this was sent up earlier out of the 28 properties. Nine of the properties were given an.

P

Unfavorable recommendation to move forward, so we do not have current maps. Zoning maps prepared for.

P

These properties, however, if you do change, if you do want to change your provisional vote as we take.

P

The final, but we will make those math adjustments. One property will need further discussion, whether.

P

You choose to move forward today with not voting for the property that is i1 1, one i211202023 or.

P

Known as finch services, the discussion was that we would hold on to this particular property.

P

um And have a new public hearing, if you all felt that you wanted to move forward with the revised.

P

Boundary prepared by the applicant for that particular property and then another property, c205.

P

202028 longmeadow farm, known as the baby property.

P

That was that property is on hold until the residential mapping discussion.

P

The larger portion of this property also has an r 20 000 residential request, with.

P

The current c2 request: that's before you today are there any questions before I move forward.

A

No, please go ahead. Okay,.

P

So again, then, here before you are the um requests in order with their corresponding.

P

Zoning math number and the request: do you want to review any of your provisional votes or are.

P

You um good with the votes as they stand and I can run through each property if you'd, like with the.

P

Corresponding example, I believe it's appropriate if we go one by one. Okay, here's further discussion.

P

Okay, so the first map change um and I'm going to go and map order now.

P

Because they're very large maps and some of them have multiple changes.

P

um This first just just a quick question to that request: request. If, if we unanimously before, why.

G

Are we going over there? Why aren't we going over the ones that were just uh um affected by a split.

G

Vote, my my reason is just to confirm and I want to be able to see it once just one more time. It.

A

Shouldn't I feel like it shouldn't take long again, just seeing it um I'm more comfortable. I mean.

A

I'm more comfortable with that. So that's fine! Okay! I mean, let's see where this goes and.

A

uh And then we'll go from there, but I think uh I won't say a roll call but making sure each one.

A

Is recognized we get the thumbs up. We move on to the next one, so, okay, okay! So then the first map.

P

Is map seven, and this is for property 15, which is the mary jane graph property.

P

Or known as the trigger property, um it's outside of line within the rural village of lineborough.

P

You can see I'm sorry, I can't get my personal show on the screen, but it is.

P

The red triangular piece on the bottom portion of this particular map that is requested for c2.

P

And then here is the actual um map. That was a.

P

With the packet for the request, so it is this blue triangular piece of property here.

P

um That's within the rural village and you're about to go ahead and move it into the c2 district.

A

Okay and linda our position was in favor yeah, so all the maps that you're giving me.

P

Everything that you're seeing here today are ones that you voted in favor of.

A

And the planning my my concerns- I just don't have that chart in front of me, so I can't see what.

A

I agreed to and then with the planning commission and what you know, what was.

A

Changed so if you can say this is in line with the planning commission on plan department.

P

Sure um so I'm trying to multi-topic review screen, so I'm just going to scroll up. So this.

P

Particular property um did have a favorable recommendation by the planning commission.

P

And a favorable staff recommendation- and you all gave this a provisional favorable.

P

As well, I apologize, I don't mean to making this complicated. I think if we just look at this chart.

A

This will help us and we can just run down each property because we know the properties.

A

Only somebody has to physically see the property. Once again, you need to see that.

P

I do have those we think you got them, okay, all right. So then this is a little bit of.

P

A different border I was trying to put them in for this, pushing the actual request order.

P

Then subsequent are in the actual zoning map order. So then the first property would be ec142020.

P

That is known as abar partnerships, or this is the site of the legacy school.

P

Staff gave this a favorable recommendation for employment campus as well as planning.

P

Commission and your provisional vote was for favorable okay, so I will make.

A

The motion that we continue and we make a final decision for favorable for ec14 or i4.

A

20200 one second: okay: we have a motion. We have a second any question on this or discussion.

A

All in favor, okay, unanimous next on the next is the i214202003.

P

uh Wedikin property: um this is located off of 97 on the howard county border.

P

Staff gave this a favorable recommendation. Planning commission gave it a favorable.

P

Recommendation and your provisional vote was for favorable. I motionly accept it.

A

Okay, do we have a second got a motion? Do we have a second on this? Second.

A

Okay, any discussion or comments on this property in favorable.

A

He's seen here, none all in favor, I apologize okay, I think yep, unanimous thanks. Okay, next.

G

Is is there a way? Is there a way that we could make this chart just a tad bit bigger.

G

Thanks because I'm I'm struggling here- and um I would also ask uh for a little bit more detail.

G

uh Instead of, was it just a provisional yes by us.

G

I would like to know if it was provisional, all in favor or just three to two or whatever.

A

That's fair. I don't have that in front of me um about what your actual votes were. I apologize.

G

Okay, that that's fine then, but if we could just make this bigger and then I'm sure we all will try.

G

To remember that some of these weren't unanimous and um which- which which I think would probably.

G

uh Would probably prompt a little bit more discussion? I I don't know so yeah. No, I I.

A

Agree steven: that's why I want to go one by one and not just clump this all together.

A

So can you see this powder? Is this a little bit closer? This is about as big as I can make it yep.

P

Okay, there you go just a thought: does mary or someone in your office maybe have the.

P

The she's looking right now through her notes, um so we will she's going.

P

To come up on screen when she pulls those up marvelous. Thank you. I should have known.

P

I just don't have them in front of me right now. I apologize. um The next property is c214202004.

P

The stockdale property, this property is located on maryland, 26 south side.

P

Near the liberty exchange um and the request is for a c2. um This had favorables again across.

P

The board from staff planning, commission and the board emotionally accept the stock sale proposal.

A

I apologize there finished a motion. I motioned that we accept the stockdale proposal.

A

Well, it's not the stockdale proposal, it's it's! Our final decision on the rezoning of the property.

D

Is there a certain way we need to phrase each motion for technical reasons and, if so,.

D

I think we should be informed how we should structure it. If there's a legal requirement.

A

I think for consistency, if we make the motion to provide a final decision.

A

On the piece of property we're going to be good to go, so it would be a motion to final decision.

A

Of c2 i4, 2, 0, 2, 0 tag, 0, 0, 0, 4., one second, okay, and and if I mention, if I may go ahead, you also say.

H

uh The zoning changes from our 20 000 to c2, for example, and I think, in this case.

H

That's fair tim. Do you have any other suggestions? Yes, uh remember remember. The end result here.

Q

Is you're going to be adopting a brazilian ordinance so which would include properties.

Q

That you think should be rezoned, so the zoning ordinance. If you look in your file, the proposed.

Q

Zoning ordinance contains a list of those that would be rezoned if the ordinance is adopted. So.

Q

Keep that in mind, as you're going through you're, not actually rezoning them with each motion. You're.

Q

Agreeing to include them in the final rezoning ordinance, which you'll adopt at the end of this.

Q

Of the session today, right, okay, that makes sense. Well, we can yes.

G

So then, so then that begs the question: do we have to continue? Do we have to vote again on these.

G

I thought this was all just one vote at the end.

Q

In the the end result will be you voting to adopt the proposed rezoning ordinance, which will include.

Q

A list, unless you intend to strike any of these, then it's up to the board whether you want to.

Q

Continue taking them one by one? Well, why don't we look at them one by one, but we don't have to make.

E

A motion on each one: if we have any discussion, we can discuss the ones we wanted to discuss.

E

At that particular point and at the end of this all the ones we have for favorable, then we can.

E

Make one motion to include all of them would be my suggestion, commissioner. Frazier is brilliant once.

D

Again: okay: let's move on.

A

So I I apologize so we'll take that linda go through the properties. If there's any.

A

Discussion we'll have it if not we'll move on to the next property. That's all.

P

Okay, so moving forward, then the next property was the c207202005.

P

This is the stone super property. This property is just outside the corporate limits of westminster.

P

um In a row of other c2 properties, this was a remaining r10000. It's within the municipal growth.

P

Area of the westminster and environs area, and again this had favorable across the board for c2.

A

Any questions or comments seen here, none keep going linda.

P

um The next one was c214202006, the ebler property. This did have quite a bit of discussion from your.

P

Group, um the request uh was from c1 to c2 or the or in the alternative c3. However,.

P

Staff and planning staff gave it a favorable recommendation for c2 planning, commission.

P

Ultimately gave an unfavorable recommendation for c2 the board of county commissioners when.

P

We met last on this particular property gave a favorable recommendation for c2 mary's.

P

Going to try to pull up the vote, but I don't believe this was a unanimous vote on this one.

E

Where is this property, um this property.

P

Is in the wood vine area, let me scroll down to the corresponding map.

D

This property is just above the county line on woodbine road, not.

D

Not far from the uh the wood vine in actually.

R

Linda this boat was unanimous for a provisional vote. That's that's what I have. It was okay. Thank.

P

You I couldn't remember, thank you mary, but I know it had a lot of discussion involved in it because.

P

Of the nature of going from c1 to c2, um and that was because the property owner- um and I apologize.

P

I can't find the map readily the property owner um has an auto service center, but they want a.

P

Vehicle which is more heavier use than what's commonly allowed currently allowed in the c1. So.

P

That way they can do on body repair and things like that. Is there any further discussion or.

A

Comments on this piece of property, we unanimously had the provisional vote to approve to c2 to c2.

A

Seeing hearing none, let's move on to the next, um so the next was ec04202009. This was kmp resource.

P

Recovery, the request is from ad to employment campus. uh This has a favorable recommendation.

P

um Let me go back to the recommendations um from staff and the planning commission. This is.

P

One of the properties in the greater kmp resource recovery properties- this is the one that is within.

P

The municipal growth area not quite adjacent to the corporate limits, but within close proximity to.

P

The corporate limits um on the northwestern side of the landfill, the other kmp resource properties,.

P

Which all had unfavorable recommendations were on the southeastern side of the landfill itself,.

A

Okay, and was this a unanimous decision made by us mary, do you have that information.

R

Yes, that one was unanimous: okay, any further conversation discussion on this piece of property.

F

I don't think that was unanimous. If I remember right, I voted against that. I'm pretty sure.

R

I apologize. I just really have my informal notes here. We didn't keep the an official record of this.

R

So I apologize, if that's the case, that's okay, dick! Is there, uh commissioner weber? I apologize.

A

Is there any comments that you want to bring up at this time reference this not just. I was.

F

uh I remember this was right next to the landfill. uh You know, if that's an employment.

F

Campus, I thought it was the wrong site for that at this point um you know it's outside.

F

It was still storm waters down the road from it, so uh I I think the vote was four to one on.

F

That, if I remember correctly at the time, but I uh I just think it's uh the traffic of 140.

F

And added to it is going to be a major issue for us, so I I did vote against. Okay, any other comments.

A

Statements questions regarding this seeing hearing none, let's move on to the next.

P

So just one clear would this: would you move forward with a favorable recommendation.

P

For this just so, I can keep in my notes if we need to make any map changes.

A

It was a four to one recommendation for okay.

A

Okay from mag to employment campus go ahead; okay, so the next then our c2042020s.

P

And zero zero one one. The first is owned by smo inc um and the request is r40 to c2.

P

The other one is tebus real estate and again that request is r42c2. Those properties are.

P

Adjoining one another in the area, right outside of things, spur um every one gate. Each group gave us a.

P

Favorable recommendation to move forward with the c2 designation yeah and I believe it was unanimous.

A

On our part as well, um any further discussion comments, questions seeing hearing, none keep.

A

Going um the next is c2092020014 mad properties. um This is right outside the wind field area.

P

And um it is a request from ag to the c2 designation.

P

Staff gave this an unfavorable recommendation, but planning commission and you the board, gave this a.

P

Favorable recommendation for the c2 designation, and was this also, I believe, um unanimous.

R

I believe commissioner frazier voted against this for the provisional vote. I thought I did.

E

Okay, just any further comments. Discussion won't bring up. No it's okay, so god it was a four to one.

A

uh Provisional vote. Any further comments won't be brought up. None that I see. Okay, let's move on.

P

um So the next is the uh c: zero six two zero: two: zero: zero zero one. Five. This is the uh mary jane.

P

Graph property or trader's automotive, where that is located in the rural village of lyme borough,.

P

And this had request was from ag to c2 and had favorable recommendations across the board.

A

Okay, anything else we want to talk about on this one.

A

Seeing hearing no comments, let's move on to the photo property nope. Actually, the next one is.

P

C307202017844 professional center condo, the existing zoning is r10. The request is for c2.

P

And again, this had favorable recommendations um across the board. This is the condo professional.

P

Center on old washington, road in the westminster area, right, okay, any comments.

A

Questions statements seeing hearing none, let's move on on the next is the fogle properties.

P

I1052020016, the request is conservation to i1. Both staff and communication gave this an unfavorable.

P

Recommendation um and in your provisional vote, you gave this a favorable recommendation for i1 this.

P

Property is off of obrecht road, just outside the municipality of sykesville, on south of the dam for.

P

And next to the sykesville ball fields, okay, and I believe this was unanimous. No, I don't think.

E

This was I'm pretty sure. I voted against this one mission. Frazier voted against that one also, okay,.

A

Because any further, uh well, I we we've already discussed it. I don't want to rehash it. I mean.

E

It was four to one yeah and I I you know, I'm fine with. I brought up my objections before and.

E

Let's move on okay, any further discussion on this. It's an opportunity to let folks know.

A

As well as we're making a final decision on the on the rezoning of this, so okay keep going.

P

The next is itunes: zero, two zero, zero zero. One h: this is mt laney. The request is again.

P

Conservation, two i2: this was unfavorable from staff and planning commission, but I knew the.

P

Board gave it a favorable recommendation for I won, and where is this one mt laney is off of.

P

Oh, my gosh mary, I'm drawing a blank. What's the name of the world salem on bottom row, okay,.

A

And I believe uh we had one abstention, correct correct. Was it a four zero one on this.

R

Do we know um my notes show? I believe, commissioner fraser voted against this one as well.

A

That's already, but I'm okay with that. Okay, any further discussion conversation, I'm only.

A

Seeing four commissioners I'm taking the fifth is also there is none. So, let's move on next to.

P

One nine c204202019 investment request is conservation to seed. Two uh staff gave this.

P

An unfavorable recommendation: the planning commission afford a favorable recommendation.

P

With the new uh condensed boundary- and um you all also gave it a favorable recommendation,.

P

With the new boundary- and this is a vote off of one forty in old westminster pike.

R

And that vote was three two with commissioners fraser and wants opposing.

A

Okay, um yeah, hey ed every now, and then I got my camera off. So I can get the screen closer to my.

G

Can you head me this when we get to these three two votes, I think it's important maybe to have.

G

Some uh a little bit more discussion in the interest of transparency here.

G

um Can you remind us again the exact location of this I I can't remember.

P

Sure this property is located off of old westminster pike and 140 right across the.

P

Bridge coming in from baltimore county on the south side, it's pretty much. The first parcel.

P

That you encounter in carroll county on that south eastbound side- okay! Yes, this is right by.

E

The reservoir, I think the reason I voted against is because of it's right by the reservoir and.

E

That's enough said right: there yeah, that's dennis I'm with you on that. One.

G

uh Because I voted against it as a result of that too, I'm concerned about runoff. If.

G

There's paving and that kind of thing into the reservoir, uh and I just maybe it goes to the.

G

To the to the theme that that commissioner uh weber had with traffic on 140.

G

The 140 carroll county line is not the place for more development right now, so.

G

I'm not lobbying to change I'm just telling you why I didn't vote for it right. I believe you also.

E

Brought up public safety, as you always do, because of the traffic because of people getting off of.

E

140 going down that hill again and how it's going to be utilized. That way- and I was very valid point.

G

Yeah I mean the the statistic: statistics statistics in that area, uh from from green.

G

Mill to well actually from um old westminster or old gamber, I guess that is dick. I can't keep track.

G

Of that road down there, but but statistics in that area are really high on accidents and I don't.

G

Know how you're going to make access into this property unless it's right off of 140 or is this.

G

The one that you can get to off old, gamber, dick, it's old, westminster, road, okay, yeah, you couldn't.

F

Put it on 140 that would be a disaster. Can you get on it from the backside from old westminster.

A

And that yeah, I think, that's the plan. This is the old, um I guess mine area uh and old, westminster.

F

Road is a paid cow path, but they they can get on it. The outlet on the 140 is not pretty, but.

F

I was torn on this one. This is really a tough decision on this one. This is right at the.

F

Reservoir, the they rezoned re-zoned, only the top portion of it gets re-zoned. The bottom still was conservation, but.

F

This isn't the greatest site, but we can take another vote on if.

E

You want to dick I'm on I'm in favor of that. Can we look at the property.

P

Yes, let me pull up the map just like this. It actually does.

G

Yeah, if I remember right, they only did the top portion of this property, because the bottom portion is a cliff right and.

G

The the problem here is- and I.

G

Remind me, I thought we heard from a neighbor or two that lives right there, because that.

G

Entrance is going to be right across from their residence yeah. I believe we did hear themselves.

G

Was that a yes linda actually did you did hear from the community on this one.

P

I apologize I'm just trying to. I had things in a different order, so I was like pick a gun.

E

Right on the ones that were four to one they're fast yeah, I don't want to bring out.

E

My objections, because we already talked about it, but this three to two is a little different.

A

Absolutely and and if you can linda I I don't know how maybe it's easier, what was the breakdown of.

G

The property, since they only want to do half of it now, in other words, what was the was it.

G

Six acres versus fourteen: uh what was the total property and what part of it do they just wanna do.

G

uh Let's probably about both books: here we go. Here's the map.

E

Right now we're going to do 4.3 or something that's sort of. I remember correctly.

P

That is correct: okay, okay,.

G

um Commissioner weaver, do you have any idea? What is is is uh what they're looking at to do here.

F

uh No, I don't, I think, they're looking for the zoning change. My concern here is water and silver.

F

Of course, everything in vinksburg's water and so are a lack of um I. I really don't know what.

F

Their plan is other than go to uh whether they want to go to commercial yeah, see too.

E

And you know that's another good point, commissioner: leave your water and sewer because.

E

There isn't any there and they're going to go too well and septic and look how close it.

E

Is to the reservoir? Well, it's it's in a mine on a mined area so that even I I don't know.

E

It's worse, this property, you recall, is a very. um It has a lot of restrictions, because.

P

Of the environmental components of the property between wetlands forested area and steep slopes.

P

There's not a lot of opportunity here to develop. Well, that's why they cut it down.

E

To the 4.3, whatever it is acres to develop rather than the entire property. So I understand a lot of.

A

The concerns and agree with them, but I don't know the property well enough, so commissioner weaver.

A

What I mean, where are you at on this? I know where you were, are you in the same place, or I am torn.

F

But this is not a great property to go commercial, I mean it is a mountainside next to the reservoir.

F

And has a lot of restrictions, uh I would suggest we take a re-vote on this and re-look at it. Okay,.

D

If I may add, I I think what eventually got this to pass is the fact that, whatever this prop the owner.

D

Decides to do all these various concerns that we have, which are extremely legitimate, especially.

D

Ones brought up by commissioner williams would be oversaw by the planning zoning commission.

D

To ensure that all these issues are addressed in compliance, the law, so just because we'd approve.

D

This doesn't mean all these things would actually take place that they'd have to get it checked off.

D

By the people who we've appointed to review and that it's their responsibility to execute those.

D

Things all we're doing is changing the zoning, but whatever proposal they bring forward we'd.

D

Have them exercise the responsibility to ensure that those are addressed? You know I, I agree with.

A

You, except for um just because we can change, the zoning, doesn't mean we should and if we do.

A

We're applying resources afterwards. That would have to make the determination on whether it's a.

A

Suitable piece of property for that you know whatever they want to develop it as and.

A

You know we are resource constrained, as is so we should. You know, look at this, as is this.

A

Appropriate property to be commercial at the end of the day, and it sounds like.

A

You know we're taking another hard look at this um again. I just don't know the property well enough.

A

So I'm I want to say I'm relying on understanding the property. I do understand the concerns so.

F

uh If I have this correct, even if we turn this down, they can bring it back later to.

F

The planning zoning commission years from now to have it re-zoned, correct.

P

So the process would actually then be a change, your mistake, so this property is not consistent.

P

With the finsburg plan, so staff gave it an unfavorable recommendation because of that um so.

P

They couldn't, if, unless you reopen a comprehensive rezoning, they don't have a comprehensive rezoning.

P

um Format in front of them, it would have to be a change or mistake and they could.

P

Come forward with that um application and they would have to change, they would have to decide.

P

Whether there's been a change um in the character of the overall community unforeseen by the.

P

Fingsburg plan or a mistake in the original zoning, or both would have to be the bar that would be set.

P

And it would go through them planning commission, then you all would ultimately take the roads.

A

So, in other words, there are tools for in place for somebody to come back requesting.

A

Rezoning, it may not be the you know, easiest, you know path, but it is a path.

A

Forward to uh making a request and getting approved or disapproved so that is.

P

Correct: okay, any further thoughts, comments, motions discussions on this property.

E

I'll make a motion that we don't change the zoning on this property from those things conservation.

A

Okay, I'm sorry.

A

Okay, so we have a motion and a second on changing the provisional. uh You know decision that was made.

A

On chain uh rezoning all in favor of that motion: okay, all opposed.

A

Four to one, the provisional decision carries uh as unfavorable. Okay, let's move on.

E

It was provisional decision changes too unfavorable, that's correct, yeah, okay, yeah.

A

Yeah provisional decision changes to unfavorable right, okay,.

A

Keep going okay moving on uh while I scroll up to the page here.

P

So the next one is marilyn mallett c3.

P

C203202020, the request is from ag to c2 staff, gave this an unfavorable recommendation.

P

Planning, commission and the board um gave a book a favorable recommendation for c2.

P

And this is located off of 97 north of westminster on the southbound side of 97.

E

And I did vote against this one because of where it's located.

E

Is you're trying to go to c2, which is according to c2, is supposed to be accessible by walking or.

E

Biking, no one's going to walk or bike out to the c2 location. It's right in the middle of.

E

I believe it's right in the middle of housing. I just don't think it's the right.

E

Place to put do, which is why I voted against it. This was the restaurant. Yes,.

E

But I'll leave it at that. I brought up my objections and I know it was four to one so.

E

We're good, I just want to state it again. Yeah remember the discussion.

E

Weaver once decided with me, I'm scared any further.

A

Comments or discussion or questions on this piece of property? Okay, let's continue.

P

The next is c207 202024 piper. um The request is add to c2. This property is.

P

Located at the intersection of maryland, 97 and maryland 32, it is just south of the ymca.

P

Staff gave this a favorable recommendation as well as planning commission and you the.

P

Board as a provisional procedure, okay, any further conversation discussion on this.

A

Seeing hearing none, let's go. um The next is ec one four: two: zero: two: zero: zero: zero: two five.

P

County commissioners of carroll county, the request is added to employment campus and again this had.

P

Favorable um recommendations across the board. This is formerly known as the delaney property.

P

North of ronsdale it was a former middle school site and the request is for employment. Campus.

A

Yeah, it's across from century high school right next to legacy school.

A

Elementary any comments or discussion on this piece of property, even without.

A

The glasses seeing hearing none, let's go okay and the next I'm going to talk about together.

P

C205202031 and three two uh three one is buckman and associates. The request is r10000 to c2. This.

P

Was favorable across the board, as well as a seminar trustee, which are three properties.

P

And all of these together create a row of c2, um that's in conformance with the master plan and.

P

Already developed as commercial type properties, so this had a favorable recommendation again.

P

By planning staff commission and you the board of county commissioners, and where is this property.

P

These series of properties are located along maryland, 26 um to the west of uh the princess.

P

Shopping center and they're, the small little slivers of former residences now converted.

P

To commercial uses you're right next to the princess treatment center. Okay, any discussion.

A

Comments, questions seeing hearing none keep going; okay, so this that those are the last.

P

Properties that at the time there were favorable recommendations to move forward.

P

We've prepared those series of properties uh maps for the ordinance. The next series are ones that.

P

Had unfavorable recommendations to move forward, so I will now move through those well can we should.

E

We make a a motion for the ones that we've already looked at and approved excluding the one. I don't.

E

Remember the number of it, but I know you do that that we have changed to make a motion so that.

E

Now that is taken care of before we move into the other ones, because these other ones, I don't know.

E

They may or may not take more discussion, I'm not sure, but these are the favorable ones and we're.

A

Not going to be changing maps, if we all agree to these except the one that we agreed to change.

E

I thought that's what I'm saying so so, no, I agree so should we.

A

Make a motion and agree to the changes to favorable for.

A

What we just discussed, or should we just continue on and accept all changes made roberta.

H

You could do it either way um the ordinance um is written to include the ones that were all.

H

Favorable and so the um you have to make the one you know you include them all, except the.

H

One that 59, I think one is up. um These would also be amendments to the the max. If you.

H

Chose to change any of your prior preliminary votes, um I guess it makes sense to do.

H

To I'm, I'm sort of betwixt in between it doesn't really matter. I think.

H

Maybe go through the whole thing and accept it as it is with these.

H

One so far, or maybe more changes does that does that work best for you, linda.

P

um That's why I mean the ordinance is written or what we could do at the end is.

P

When the motion so for the ordinance 202101 is to remove math 59 from the organs and then add.

P

Maps whatever they might be, with the um changes you know, we would just commend the ordinance.

P

For them to sign, but the motion would carry all of the maps.

H

Yeah, so I guess way to the end. Where sounds good, let's continue.

P

So the first one was that has an unfavorable recommendation with.

P

C204202007 playtime corporation, this property is located off of old westminster pike.

P

It does front maryland 140, but there is no access to maryland 140 and it is currently a daycare.

P

Center, um in order to access this property, you have to access it through um a little residential.

P

uh Driveway and this had an unfavorable across the board: okay yep. I remember this one. uh Many.

A

Comments, I think uh commercial weavers leave it as unfavorable. I mean this is not a good.

F

Good thing: okay, seeing hearing none, let's keep going. The next was vogue for llc. This is the.

P

Former firmer north carol community school um and is currently a church, I believe.

P

um It had was a church before it became the school and I believe it's acting as a church again.

P

um It is just north of the westminster municipal growth area adjacent to industrial land. um This.

P

Request was from ag to c2 and it was unfavorable across the board staff planning, commission.

P

And the board gave it unfavorable. Okay, any further conversation discussion.

A

Saying here none keep going. The next is the current north carroll community school.

P

C103202027, the request is add and the original request was c1 or in the alternative. C2 staff.

P

And planning commission you: the board gave us unfavorable recommendations across the board.

P

The school itself is a primary principle of use in the ag zone, um so this.

P

Being ag zone does not change their position, they are allowed to be there.

P

It's not a non-conforming use and therefore the unfavorable.

P

Recommendations carried across, and this is located on off- of stone, chapel road and 97.

A

Okay and any further comments discussion on this okay, seeing here, none keep going.

P

On the next is c30420200 one two and one three: these are k, p resource recovery, um originally.

P

There were four uh different applications done by kmp resource recovery. One was withdrawn for um and.

P

Conservation to i1 the remaining two um are ag c3 and ag to i2. Both staff and planning commission.

P

Gave these favorable recommendations and the board gave these unfavorable recommendations.

A

Okay, these are yeah go ahead. I said these are properties right by the.

E

The landfill area correct, correct, I'm sorry, yes, right by the landfill and across fire department,.

E

Right, you're, right right and actually I all know the two properties. I remember numbers that.

E

Are that are right, adjacent to 140? I had actually said if it was going to c2, I would vote for it, but.

E

It was c3, so we, I think it was a 4-0 vote against these properties anyway, but anyway, those who did.

E

E2, I would have changed my vote for if they were c2 instead of c3. I just want to put that out. There.

E

But we can move on. There was a lot of public comment on this and I think we've got our.

A

Votes: okay, any further comments on these two pieces of property. Seeing hearing none.

A

Let's move on um you want to go to. I can't even see this at 29 and then go back or.

A

Which, where are you going yeah, that's right? Let's do that. um So then, the next uh in in the.

P

Series- and we can have further discussion about finch services and longmeadow.

P

I204-202029, this is roy, full property or tumbleweed express this is located off of.

P

Old westminster pike, the request is added to i2 staff and printing commission as well as you, the.

P

Board gave this an unfavorable recommendation for i2. This has been the subject of multiple board.

P

Zoning appeals and they do have a very limited um bza approval to continue their operation.

A

Okay, I I voted against this one. It was only to say that they uh I too, they had to meet.

F

More stringent uh standards in the future if they tend to expand or do anything but.

F

You know he has a lot of community out of support. Not to do this so.

A

Okay, any further comments discussion, seeing here, none, let's go to thirty.

P

Thirty ec one three: two: zero: two: zero: zero: zero: three: zero: the cauldron holder bay property. This.

P

Is just outside the corporate limits of the town of mount airy north of the harrison and my shear.

P

Property staff gave it a favorable recommendation. A planning commission gave it unfavorable as well.

P

As the board um and staff will go back and say we can give it an unfavorable too it's just. We.

P

Didn't realize the timing that the town after we had gone through our review was now going through.

P

The annexation process um so for the harrison and my sheer property not for this particular property.

P

So the timing does not seem uh the best right now for the reasoning of this, and that was part of the.

P

Discussion correct: I believe it was unanimous any uh from us um any conversation, discussion.

A

Seeing hearing none, let's move on um the longmeadow farm, okay, so the longmeadow.

P

Zero, zero c205202002 eight. This is known as the baby property. um The request is for the.

P

Thirty acre portion of the eye for a thirty acre portion of the i1 to be rezoned to c2.

P

Staff and planning commission gave this book a favorable recommendation with the.

P

New boundary adjustment- meaning it's not quite as described in the freedom 2018.

P

Master plan from our last discussion, uh this property uh rezoning request will be put on.

P

Hold because they also have an application in uh concurrently with a request for the r.

P

20 000 residential district on the balance of the property- that's not already currently zoned.

P

R20 so for the remaining industrial portion, as well as the conservation portion on the site.

A

Yeah and I I brought this up and request that we hold off and look at the other piece of property.

A

Leaning towards the c2 because of their intent, I spoke to property owners and representation.

A

From the property owners on the intent of uh building a 55 plus housing area and then the r 20.

A

000 um and the rest of the property, which would you know, be a nice use of that property.

A

Also speaking to the community surrounding that property, I think we don't need to rush into this.

A

And let's make the decision when it's ready to be made, which also includes.

A

That large residential area that butts up right against this uh 30 acres. So unless there's.

A

Any objection, I don't think there was before, um let's continue to hold off on this.

A

Get this one right: okay, seeing hearing none, let's uh discuss the finch services property on whether.

A

We're able to make a decision on moving forward or not at this point, so hey, hey ed back to that.

G

One to talk about, um I I remain very confused as to what it is that people want there, so it.

G

With with that request of getting it right, I sure would like to have more details, because.

G

You know you got you got one set that that thinks residents would be better. That brings in a ton.

G

Of vehicles and and what have you and then he got the other that it doesn't so the confusion down.

G

There is is a little bit off the charts, so I would only ask that maybe we could drill down on exactly.

G

uh What it is other than the rhetoric, that's all right! No, I appreciate it and uh it's not just off.

A

The charts and that's putting it mildly, okay, so uh continuing to have the conversations with them.

A

I really appreciated the landowners and their representation reaching out to me.

A

uh Linda and I have been talking um over the last couple days as well on what they're asking for.

A

And we're just going to continue to pursue it. um I think we're getting much closer to understanding.

A

Not just what they want, but what really makes sense in there so yeah. I appreciate the.

A

The patience as I'm trying to do the due diligence on this, but yes, it is very confusing so.

G

Yeah also keeping in mind all these decisions have to do with property rights as well.

G

So absolutely I 100 agree so: okay, okay, what's the number on this.

P

um This is i211202023 and the request is to go from ag and i2 to the entire property going to i2.

P

And this had unfavorables from staff and ultimately planning commission.

P

The discussion was that the applicant provided a revised boundary and there was a discussion.

P

That they would be willing to go to i1, but they wanted to leave it up to the ultimate decision.

P

um For the board, if there's going to be a boundary change, the thought was that there would be a new.

P

Public hearing on the new i1 designation, as well as a reduction in the industrial boundary.

P

And I'm trying to pull up a good map, it's really hard to see because what they proposed.

P

If you can look at the map was looking at the blue boundary and along roofs, mill and medford, and the.

P

Residential units are budding the medford road portion to pull back those boundaries.

P

Back by a hundred feet to add an additional buffer of non-industrial land.

A

I guess the big question is with the changes that they're requesting to make. um Would that.

A

Change any of the I mean the infrastructure, that's needed to accept this type of change.

A

Because I mean it sounded like the biggest concern was the uh the route, and um you know.

A

It was the infrastructure that surrounded this piece of property. I mean that's what I remember.

F

Actually, I'd like propose, we changed the eye back to ag.

F

Then we'd have an old ag district in there and uh not even having the industrial.

E

Well, I believe everything around that um on the other side of the of uh old, new windsor pike and.

E

um And uh each side of it is already I and that's what yeah it's all the purple already. So that's.

E

What they wanted to conform to, or change the the the other, half or other part of their property to.

E

I I think, was i2, but if it a good i1 the reason I think that we put this pulled us out.

E

Because, after listening to our discussions, the property owner made adjustments to his original.

E

Request, you know to, I guess, conform more to what we were talking about and because he did the extra.

E

Due diligence to uh to perform that, I just thought it would be fair to put it out to the neighbors.

E

Surrounding them that objected to it to see if they were more in favor of this or not.

E

But that's a public hearing, I mean he didn't have to make those those changes. It was good.

E

I mean I know he wants to get the change in the zoning. That's why he did, but.

E

You know that was just my feeling that he he he hurt us. He made changes according to.

E

What we said, let's put it back out there, see if the surrounding property owners are.

E

More in favor of it uh with this changes, if we all, if you all, don't agree to that.

E

That's fine. We can move on and just vote on it the way it is. I think that was very well said.

E

Sometimes he's right.

K

Okay for me today what other uh comments on this go ahead. Commissioner, I don't.

G

Think that uh I don't think that anything's gonna change.

G

By hearing from them, a hundred foot buffer, quite frankly, is had y'all. You all know what 100 feet is.

G

I mean I don't even know what that accomplishes, um but I mean if you.

G

Would have said 100 yards, that's a football field, I'm good with that. Maybe but 100 feet.

G

uh You know why not make it 120 or 80. I don't. I don't quite understand what that buffer means.

G

But um in the interest of making sure that the that the surrounding residents have their say.

G

I kind of agree: let them come back and tell us that they don't agree, because I'm pretty.

G

Sure that's what they're going to do yeah and I would and I'm going to continue to say.

G

I'm going to continue to say this and I know you get you all get tired of hearing my same old.

G

Rant and rave over this stuff, but medford road and route 31 is the most dangerous intersection. One of.

G

If not the most dangerous intersections in carroll, there would have to be major infrastructure.

G

Changes to that intersection if anything different than ag and residential is introduced. There.

G

Period, major infrastructure changes not a red light, not not just blinking light, not signage.

G

Major changes and I don't know how that would either be accepted. I mean if, if the property.

G

Owner would be required to make those changes on their own, which could quite frankly happen.

G

But you talk about expensive because there's blind spots there there's there's great issues.

G

There's limited sight distance on and on and on that's an incredibly terrible intersection.

G

That's the biggest reason why I am against seeing any changes in that area, not to mention the fact.

G

That the folks that live out there don't want, you know 87 more trucks there, because it's just.

G

It's terrible out there, so that's why I was kind of against it, but I agree, uh commissioner,.

G

Frazier, if you think it's necessary, we can certainly hear from the folks again.

A

I I think um my concern was just exactly what you said. uh Commissioner. Lance was about.

A

That road can it be um changed uh to accommodate.

A

A change in zoning um and sound like it can't or if it does it's extremely expensive.

A

To make that happen, but procedurally, um if they're changing you know their request. um I think I also.

A

Voted with you or, however, we decided was to get this to a public hearing.

A

um I just want, if we do this, how can we do this um expeditiously efficiently? uh Can it be done that.

A

Way where it's not gonna take uh you know a lot of logistics and resources to make it happen. I mean I.

A

If we can do it efficiently, expositiously, that's a great thing. I'm not saying that determines.

A

Whether we do it, but that's the only piece I'm looking at you know, how do we get this thing done.

A

So so, commissioners, I can just draw your attention. I this is the map that was sent to us.

P

Regarding the new proposed boundary, so again, they're still leaving it up to you whether you.

P

Want to put out for public hearing um i1 or in the alternative, i2 they're, showing i2 on.

P

The map, which is the same as the current request under consideration, then, if you can see the black.

P

Dashed line is the actual property boundary the gap between the black and the purple. That is the.

P

Change on the north side, on old, new windsor pike and again along the residential portion from the.

P

Homes off of medford roads, it's only really two sections that they're proposing to change so.

P

Basically, it's about a hundred foot buffer by like 500 feet on uh that. Just doesn't seem like a lot.

A

No actually, actually, when you look at it like that, it doesn't seem like that much you know putting in.

A

Perspective, if, if I might add, I think sometimes in politics, solutions are counterintuitive.

D

And that, on the long term, the rezonia's property might lead to fixing that intersection problem.

G

Put the emphasis on put put the emphasis on might yeah, because I'm telling you right now, I.

G

I don't know what the numbers are of how many folks have been seriously injured.

G

And killed there, um but I'm not interested in might.

G

Versus uh lives being changed because that that intersection's, a ridiculous.

D

I think at some point nothing's being done.

A

Well, I think the question is if the zoning adjustment was not requested, were we in a position.

A

To make this unfavorable and now looking at this and seeing that the zoning adjustment request.

A

Is you know relatively minimal? As you know, commissioner, lance pointed.

A

Out it's 100 feet, not 100 yards I mean. Does that change our minds.

A

um That's kind of where we're at changing our minds big enough to then go to public.

A

Hearing, sorry and I'll leave it at that, so what what I mean? What's uh what are the thoughts.

F

I would like just to move. We leave it the way it is and uh not moved to public.

F

Hearing on it, I don't think it's going to change things. Does that emotion, thick.

A

Okay, yes, so we have a motion to make a decision of unfavorable or a provisional.

A

Decision of any favorable uh on this property um at this time is there a second on this.

G

Yeah, I'm gonna. Second, it.

G

Commissioner boucher, I I know what you're saying that this could precipitate.

G

The move to do something out there I and I'm not arguing that point at all. um My point is, you know.

G

Changes should have been made out there already uh it it's way overdue and um as a result of that and.

G

A result of the sha knowing full well uh how bad that one is and having limited resources.

G

uh Because this was discussed when we were talking about the gillis falls issue.

G

And it you know, we went with that. One um that happened took precedence because of statistics, but.

G

um My my thought, or or my my my my thought process here is this.

G

If, if, if we're attempting to get this intersection made safer by making zoning changes, that ain't.

G

Right yeah, you know what maybe we should add this intersection to our transportation letter.

E

When we, when we submit it for safety, concerns.

O

Yep and yeah, I agree with that. Dennis we, it sort of gotten glossed over, because there were other.

G

Things that were going on there, so I agree with that and and listen I fully well understand I I.

G

I respect the property owner here. I really do I mean we. I've had I've had several conversations.

G

With him he's a uh the family's good, you know: we've known each other for many many years here.

G

In carroll- and um I just think it's it's the wrong time right now I mean if we could maybe.

G

Attempt to try to get something done out there, infrastructure wise.

G

That would be more acceptable to those that live around that area. uh You know, I would be more than.

G

Willing to assist them with that, but um you know we didn't hear anything from anybody other than.

G

Please no, except for the property owner, correct, okay! Okay, so I guess it's! My theme of you know a.

G

Lot of these things, decisions that I've been made that I've been making is a result of listening.

G

To our constituents and listening to the citizens that are surrounding a lot of these properties, so.

A

But but saying like the baby property, like you shared, you know remembering the rights of the.

A

Property owners as well and there's gotta be a balance. I mean I I agree. um Okay, so we have a.

A

Motion we have a second to making a provisional decision of this being unfavorable and moving.

A

Forward any other further comments, discussion, okay, who is in favor of this motion at this time,.

A

Okay against four to one force, I apologize three to two motion carriers: okay,.

A

Now all properties, besides the longmeadow farm.

A

Getting a, I think, linda if this is correct, a motion to accept all changes and provisional.

A

Decisions that have been made by the board and moving forward would that be good enough.

P

No, I believe you would have to adopt uh make a motion to adopt ordinance two zero, two one.

P

Zero one uh maps, 7 21, 46, 52, 53, 57, 61, 62, 68, 73 77 and seventy eight, um and I can put that on.

P

The screen for you, I believe that would be the appropriate motion. Roberta tim.

H

Right did you did you.

H

Linda, did you exempt from your list of maps the one that the commissioners.

P

Yes, not 59 is being removed, so I would, I would remove that so it.

P

Would be this motion excluding map 59? It would be uh these maps not 59.

P

Excluding 59 and we would have to read, we'd- have to amend the ordinance prior to having it signed.

P

And then I have one more map to show you that's a technical correction once we're done with this.

A

Okay, do I hear a motion I I'll try to do this.

E

I'll make the motion that we accept ordinance two zero, two one: zero one with zuni maps; seven.

E

Twenty one, forty six, fifty three, fifty two missed that one 57 61 62 68, 73, 77 and 78.

A

Did you say 59 now.

A

Okay was that correct, linda okay, we have a motion and a second all in favor.

A

uh Okay, unanimous five zero got it okay, linda what's next! So! Finally, um if you could just.

P

Indulge just for one more second um ordinance: two zero, two one: zero two is intended to correct.

P

And clarify math 41.: this was previously adopted in ordinance 201908. So this was the.

P

Comprehensive rezoning maps of 2019 and this property was um inadvertently.

P

Missed from the map change and this property is just south of hampstead.

P

The property's original zoning was industrial restricted and the zoning that was put forth.

P

As part of the actual comprehensive rezoning effort, when we moved from bnr, bg um and ir and id.

P

To the new i1 and i2 and c1 c2 and c3, this is the hamstead baptist church parcel 6, 1 2., and so it's.

P

Kind of the red um upside down l shape along um hannover pike, kind of uh caddy corner to the.

P

Industrial and so we would uh write a motion to go ahead and just make that technical correction.

F

Why was it missed.

P

We had 1500 properties that we had up for review, and this happened to be one of the ones that.

P

Was changed everywhere, but on the final map did not make the change, so I apologize for that.

F

And this is the one lot next to trenton mill road.

P

um No, it's south of the gray block of dos garland drive. um I wish I could point out to you better on.

P

The screen, but I'm going to try to zoom in a little bit more to the actual map itself.

P

Can you see the property that says 612 next to parcel 414 in the black lettering.

P

Outside of the municipality north of the light purple, purple parcel.

P

Parcel 415, it's the one just north of that. It's rare right, it's labeled! So it's just an oversight.

H

And it was changed everywhere else it just didn't get on the actual map, correct correct. It was part.

P

Of the public hearing as part of all of the discussions of what we were changing to be in.

P

Conformance with the new zoning districts, this one just happened to not make it to the map correctly.

A

Okay, are we prepared to make a motion on this adjustment.

E

Well, I can make a motion to the ordinance numbers, but all the mat numbers I don't have all them.

E

I'll make a motion to accept ordinance, 202 102.

E

With you have to help me on the rest of it linda, what map numbers am I looking at not 41 map 41.

E

Is that it? Yes, that's it that was quick and easy. Okay, we got the motion. Do we hear a.

A

A

Is there a concern about this? Well, I'm I'm waiting, I I know the area well,.

G

um But I'm kind of waiting on commissioner weaver here on this one, I'm not.

G

Because this is sort of this is sort of in between the two of us here so yeah your thoughts, dick.

F

I'm kind of caught here off. You know.

F

uh You know, is it just a simple mistake, or is this something we need to look into? I don't know.

H

Linda, when was the zoning change actually made by the board of commissioners.

P

um In december of 2019 december 12th, and what was the process for fade again, I might have missed it.

H

So this was part of the overall comprehensive rezoning process. So if you recall we did our.

P

Text amendments of creating now the c1 c2 and c3 i1 and i2 districts, and then we had to move.

P

Properties out of those districts into their new corresponding districts and this property um was.

P

Missed frankly, in the mapping position of that, but it was discussed and talked about it had an ir.

P

Sony and then it was going to c2 because it really did not meet the ir definition. And it's.

P

Currently the hamster baptist church, so um so it was done as a as it was done as the bulk.

H

Process not part of the buy request process because it's an obvious change correct. So many.

H

Of those were, and so the commissioners accepted the ordinance that that changed this already.

H

Now they're, just this is just a cleanup mechanism to make the map meet the ordinance that they've.

P

Already about this was an error um that was an oversight. Is that does that help you, commissioner,.

F

So yeah, I guess it does. I just um caught off guard. That's all so, since this seems to be.

G

Court proceedings here and we're I don't in, I don't want to lead the witness, but.

G

Is there any? Is there any uh thoughts as to any of the surrounding folks having a problem here.

G

um With the fact that this is being considered a correction, or is this just sort of a given.

H

I want to speak for linda, but it's my understanding um that this is really.

H

Already a decision that this is already a decision, the board of county commissioners has made um to.

H

Make this change from I I I restricted correct to c2 um it's. This is simply a cleanup of the map.

H

That they found in doing all this other work that the staff failed to put it on the actual map.

G

Okay, I know this is your district dick, but I'm going to go with it because I I think it's just a.

G

I've got the explanation and I'm fine with it, knowing that the surrounding.

G

Area actually going from I to c it's actually probably an advantage over there, but anyway.

G

um I'll second, if somebody made a motion I'll second it I don't know if somebody made a motion.

G

I'll second, it any conversation, discussion, further questions for planning or miss windham.

A

Seeing hearing none all in favor of this change.

A

Okay, dick is that, are you up or down? I can't see: okay, unanimous 5-0.

A

Okay, got it anything else linda. No, that's all that I have for you. Thank you so much for your time and.

P

We are done this by request process. The next time we'll be talking about this about the residential.

P

Text amendment, as well as the two residential by request properties. So thank you all so much for.

P

Your time and patience as we worked through this process, okay, get back to work, good job, the entire.

A

Team. Thank you for putting this together. Fy 22 preliminary recommended cnp and bond authorization.

A

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Ravens go ahead ted. How can you wear that that lanyard, I don't know it's minor league football.

A

It's minor league football appreciation day. Steelers go ahead remembering better day.

S

All right, polite recommended vip. First, oh and.

S

Well, we'll get that okay go ahead to next two slides done so. um You've heard this before just.

S

A reminder what what's going on here and for anybody who might be watching you know what is.

S

The preliminary recommended cip- this is the first look. This is the beginning of your capital process,.

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It's fiscally feasible. This is a little bit challenging right now,.

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Our idea is to tell you here's a plan you can do within the money we think is going to be available.

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But as you know, we have a lot of uncertainty right now, so we're saying.

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With what we think we know right now, but things could still change on us.

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Consistent with commissioner goals, our intent is to bring you something that we believe.

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Lines up with what you're trying to do what direction we have.

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Of course, there are always until we get further into the process, questions about that as well.

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A continuation of existing plans. We build a six-year plan every year. We don't start over.

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From scratch a lot most of what we do carries forward into the next year, we change the things.

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That need to be changed, and this is a starting point for commissioner discussion and decisions.

S

What is the preliminary recommended, cip? Not basically the flip side of everything I just.

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Said it is not the final cip, it is not the end of analysis. We will continue to work on some projects.

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And it's not yet a commitment to project funding, timing or a revenue mix. Now it's.

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Not yet a commitment, but we are indicating that this is where we think we are going at.

S

Least, in a general way, three big ideas for you, the cip, is largely dedicated to the maintenance.

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Of existing infrastructure, most of what's in here, is about taking care of the things we already have.

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We have to be very careful about adding projects that come with increased ongoing costs, uh we're.

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In a challenging fiscal situation, we don't have room to be adding things and it's easy to.

S

Forget that when we take on a capital project, often that also means an ongoing commitment.

S

And if, as we deal with our fiscal situation, we want to try to decrease capital spending funding.

S

As part of a solution, it's just important to know there aren't a lot of options here, we're not doing.

S

That much and as I said earlier, almost all of it is just taking care of things we already have.

S

Okay, take a look at the capital fund. uh The capital fund is your capital program.

S

But not with your enterprise funds.

S

Now, here's a chart that shows you a history of funding. The red is things that have already.

S

Happened, the blue is projected based on this preliminary recommended, cip.

S

You can see, we've uh come down a lot from the level of funding we once had goes up and down.

S

Depending on projects, capital budget tends to be kind of lumpy because of the size of some projects.

S

Just want you to see this if we adjust for inflation. I think this is a very.

S

Interesting picture: uh well I told you we're down from what we used to fund a decade or so ago.

S

When you look at it in terms of how much we can accomplish with those those dollars, we are.

S

Significantly, down from what we used to do and on a generally declining.

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Line this has uh you know, long-term implications for us.

S

Okay, outstanding bonding bonded debt just want to show you that from fiscal year.

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11, which was the height of our outstanding debt to today, we have dropped significantly.

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By more than 27 percent from where we once were, if we look ahead, we are starting to take on more.

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Debt again, you have some big projects: east middle school career in tech.

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State's attorneys headquarters so we're starting to move up again, but I want to take you out all.

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The way out to fiscal year, 27 and point out to you that with fiscal year 11 as a starting point.

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16 years later, our expectation is your outstanding debt will not have grown. That is still a pretty.

S

Remarkable thing to to think about uh you have a big county to run the cost of doing these things.

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Continues to go up and you will have gone 16 years without an increase in outstanding debt.

S

Unsold bond balance, this is always confusing. I wouldn't let you I wouldn't worry too much.

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About it, I just do this so that you at least have been told where we stand.

S

We sell our bonds as the time comes, to spend the money so sometimes we're sitting on bonds. That.

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We could be using and not moving ahead with them yet so, if we look at the entire county.

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Including board of education, there's 127 million dollars that haven't been sold yet 43 of those.

S

We expect will be sold in 22.. Another 66 will be sold in 23 through 27, as projects uh move along.

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And as we stand right now, there's 17 and a half million dollars where we have no plans to sell.

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So I think the big story here is almost all of this: has plans to move on. We just haven't gotten.

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There yet another 17 and a half that have have no plans. Five and a half are connected to water.

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Development programs, uh right now we are, we are not doing anything. This is about finding water.

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Npds there's five million dollars land bank- this is money we have set aside in case an.

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Opportunity to acquire land that we need comes up and government complex. This is over um on.

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The other side of um the district court from us uh and we've accumulated for future needs.

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uh None of these are built into our plans right now. That service is built into our plans.

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Occasionally, something will come up with one of these and that we'll have to change that.

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Okay, so what's in the pluri recommended cip first for the two of you were that in the.

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Building, I think you have your hard copies, uh deb emailed everybody, an electronic copy.

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I just want to touch on a few pages in that book, whether you have your book or not,.

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We can show you and you'll recognize if you go looking later.

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Okay, deb is pulling this up, we'll be with you in just a second.

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Okay, just share with us what page you are looking at for, because commissioner fraser.

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And I do have the books in front of us yeah, that's what I'm going to do so deb's going.

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To pull it up, so the others can see it on the screen. Oh they'll always be behind this, but.

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Okay, here we go so page. Seven is quick guide to 22 through 27 cip. If you just want to look at.

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We three pages that say what's in here. This is where you'd want to go.

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On page 13, we start a bunch of summaries of the various areas of the cip.

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If you just want to see the numbers, see what it looks like adopted, recommended prior adopted.

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This is where you want to go um page. 35 starts a series of summaries both of revenues and.

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Expenditures, where's the money coming from where's the money going page 45.. If you just.

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Want to see a quick summary of what's happening in fiscal year 22. This will give that to you.

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And then on page 49 starts a series of six-year summaries of each area of the capital budget.

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So somewhere in all those pages, if you want to just be big picture kind of things, that's.

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Where you can find your information, okay, now we're going to go back to the presentation.

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Deb is so slow. You know it's hard getting good help now.

A

You're really saying that with a steelers lanyard around your neck, wow, okay, here we go.

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Okay, so talking in a kind of general way about what's in the primary recommended, cip.

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I I mentioned this maintaining infrastructure. uh We have maintaining efforts in ag prez and water.

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Quality, we have the last state funding for the public safety training center.

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This is a new project. That's been thrust on us public safety, microwave network replacement.

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We found out recently that motorola will no longer be supporting an important component.

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Of our system and we're gonna have to replace it. We don't have hard numbers.

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On this yet, but we might be looking at something like three million dollars.

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We have career and tech project, the east middle school project, a sheriff precinct in.

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Eldersburg and a number of park projects, I talk about maintaining infrastructure.

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Talking about roads and bridges, hvac roofs, paving parks, technology, stormwater ponds.

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All the stuff we own and need to keep renewing, and I want to go back to an idea I mentioned earlier.

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We talk about maintaining our infrastructure, we have to maintain what we already have.

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But every time we add something we also added something that needs to be renewed over time.

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And I want to go back to that idea. We need. We should be thinking very hard when we're looking at.

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Adding to our infrastructure every time we take on a road every time we take on a building every time.

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We take on a park, we take on costs of maintaining those things and future costs of renewing those.

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Also in maintaining infrastructure, our water and sewer systems, our schools, we.

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Have 40 schools in our system maintaining effort, agricultural land preservation and water quality.

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Board of education projects, we have career in tech, east middle school, some paving projects.

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And technology replacement projects, things that are new to 22 through 27 foreign museum pavilion.

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Replacement, this is the project you might remember. Last year, jack lyburn came to you to say he had.

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Alternate ways of accomplishing this other than through the cip project that was in it doesn't.

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Look like that is happening, so this is back in the cip again, the microwave network replacement. I just.

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Mentioned to you, gillis falls trail phase two and a master plan for the northwest area regional park.

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uh Two changes from the adopted cip: these are projects that we're in and no longer in.

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A waterless restroom at cape horn park and additional lighting at the sports complex.

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These changes are both in reaction to changes in how much open space funding was available.

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uh Some some projects that were in and remain in, but have changed uh in how much they're going to.

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Cost our most recent estimates courthouse annex renovation, the sheriff's eldersburg precinct both.

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Of those uh are now noticeably more expensive than they were in our last iteration and public safety.

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Regional water supply we're moving to funding that every other year instead of every year.

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Two reasons for that: we've accumulated a balance and the other is. uh We have an open position and.

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One of the functions of that position was working to find and make happen the locations for these.

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Water supplies.

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So, what's not in their primary, if- and this is always a longer list than the things I'm.

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Talking about that went, went in, we get requests for much more than we have any ability to fund.

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In schools, william winchester elementary school, modernization.

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And a list of others that one is the one at the top of the list right now.

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Four kindergarten editions: this goes all the way back to when the state mandated full day.

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Kindergarten, we built a number of additions, these four didn't get built and there's still no plans.

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uh Best program at robert moton and barrier-free modifications they have an existing balance. There.

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Still not in for schools, hvac replacements at oklahoma, road middle spring garden, elementary.

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And this is a big change. In the past we have had an ongoing stream of funding for.

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Hvac improvements and replacements they go in unidentified and as we get closer to the time.

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It would move to specific projects. These are not in now, because we believe we've maxed out.

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State funding for the years ahead of us for a while for a career and tech and east middle school.

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Without um additional state funding uh there's there there is no state funding for.

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uh Systemic projects, the only way we could move ahead would be if the commissioners.

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Committed to fully funding- and I'm not recommending this to fully funding those projects.

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uh And can you make that abundantly clear to them when they move to the east middle? That.

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There wasn't going to be funding for these type things.

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Did it sink in? I guess is what I'm asking.

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uh Yes, I believe they understand that doesn't mean it won't come up, though,.

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Okay, then there's a roof replacement from north carolina middle school. That is not in.

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And then just like the hjc in other times, there would be a a stream of revenue for replacing.

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Roofs, uh that also is not in same same line of logic, and um one thing that's unfortunate about.

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How this is playing out, we were making really good progress on on roofs. We had a big bubble.

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Of roofs that needed to be replaced- and uh we were closing in on on getting past- that.

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So we still made a lot of progress, but we're not going to be able to get quite as far in these next.

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Six years, as it looked like a couple years ago, school not in for schools, security, improvements.

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Window replacements at south carol and westminster high schools in our roads program, things that are.

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Not in roundabout at angler road, georgetown boulevard extension, monroe avenue, extension.

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Ryden our way and sidewalks at freedom, avenue and johnsville road in karen drive.

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Recreation, I mentioned the waterless restroom.

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At cape horn that came out of the plan, there's a request for one at sandymount.

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That is not in sports, complex dugout improvements and new sports. Complex lighting are not in.

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At burke, requests for central air and an elevator are not part of the plan.

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The community college, the request for the sports complex.

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Additional technology funding, parking garage or not in.

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Now to our maintenance facility, a request for basically an addition to that is not in.

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Party, oh dev, said I missed something: okay, elections, office renovation right.

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um There's still discussion going on on that and whether that is desirable or necessary.

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uh Sewer line to the maintenance center.

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Is not in and we we are fine with our septic system. It's not like we're ignoring a problem.

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uh Expansion technology services office, uh a number of aging and senior center projects.

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The courts would like a replacement of their visitation center. We have some library projects.

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Actually, to buildings, and also for technology funding in the future.

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Detention center project is not included, changes to the existing ascension center or not included.

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Headquarters for the sheriff and some other related projects for the sheriff are not included.

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Of course that's not the whole list, but you can see even there. There was a lot more to talk about.

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And they're not included uh the next slide just gives you a simple comparison of 21 and 22.

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And the 21, through 26 plan against the 22-27 plan. These numbers will.

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Always bounce around just depends on what projects we're taking on in a given year.

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And that was all capital without enterprise funds just want to touch briefly on the enterprise funds.

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I'm not going to run through all the projects in the utilities individually.

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Just know that in every year we have projects a constant effort to keep renewing that system.

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The I guess the big thing to mention here is the.

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Sykesville, water and sewer upgrades that's going to be a big project and, of course, disrupts a lot.

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Of things, so I'm sure you'll be hearing about that uh airport is a small ongoing project.

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Fiber network we have some equipment, replacement and solid waste. um We have to make some some.

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Changes to the to the landfill to try and reduce uh the amount of leachate that we're creating.

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A similar chart with enterprise funds. It shows that the change from last time to to this time.

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Okay, sorry deb just told me I'm wrong again. The sound is.

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Not about leak gate, we we have to open up another area to start using again.

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Some things, I think, should be on your mind: with school funding, there was capital funding.

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Attached to the kerwin legislation, the operating legislation, the governor vetoed that we expect.

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That the legislature is going to override that veto. uh This will lead to the maryland.

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Stadium authority running kind of a parallel school construction program, it's gonna be.

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Interesting to see how all that works, the one thing that concerns me when that veto happens.

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When the legislation passed, the state did not know how they were going to pay for all that.

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Current legislation, their situation today is worse than it was when they passed that legislation.

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It's not hard to imagine that they start to make changes to that legislation that will.

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Have some impact on us what that would be be totally speculative.

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We talked about the concern about systemic projects. I mentioned briefly that there is a.

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Line of modernizations waiting uh redistricting always is a as a question and, of course down in.

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Freedom, we have a very specific concern about freedom, elementary school.

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uh This is something that's come up fairly recently that we have not dealt with in this.

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Plan yet, but we are going to need to, and that is modifications we need to make to the dam at piney.

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Run, there's going to be a very big question for the commissioners to wrestle with here.

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Which will have significant financial implications, we're going to need to decide if we want to modify.

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The dam with an assumption that pineyron will never be a source of water or we want.

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To modify it with an assumption that it could be a source of water in the future.

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If we want to be a source of water, the cost of this project will be much larger and we don't.

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Have good numbers yet, but just to give you a sense of what I'm talking about it could be a difference.

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Between a 10 million dollar project and a 30 million dollar project, we will have some funding.

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Help from another agency here this is not entirely on us, but there will be a significant cost to us.

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From time to time, I remind you that we need to remain concerned about infrastructure.

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We have been working for years now in an effort to understand what we have and what it takes to.

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Renew that over time, our our work there has slowed down. Other things have gotten in the way now, with.

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Everything we've been dealing with this this past year, but that doesn't mean the.

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Problem has gone away. We put a lot of money into renewing our infrastructure. I mentioned earlier.

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um I don't think I said this number, but about 70 of this plan is about renewing infrastructure.

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But I think there's every reason to believe that we are not putting in as much as we really need to.

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And we're going to have to deal with that sometime.

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I mentioned the detention that there is no plan for new detention center.

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uh Someday we are going to have to to deal with that, and I also want to remind you that in fiscal.

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Year, 20 decisions were made to reduce funding in the cip to county systemics route, roofs and hvacs.

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To I.t uh infrastructure and to our road program, those changes were strictly.

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To try and balance the budget, it was not because we thought the need had gone down in any way.

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We are past some of those changes now, but in 22, 23 and 24 we we still have reduced funding for.

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uh Systemics and I.t and through 22 in roads.

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Oh, I'm sorry through 25, no 323 in rhodes,.

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Okay, um that was my kind of quick look at the preliminary recommended, cip.

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uh We will be going shortly to the planning commission to start the process of them saying.

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That this is consistent with the master plan. I next need to go into the bond authorization.

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But I'll stop here, if there's anything that you have questions about or want to talk about.

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Okay, let's keep going.

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All right bond authorization. Every year we have to go to the general assembly.

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To get authority to issue bonds as part of funding rcip.

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An important point, the capital budget that you adopt.

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Drives the bond authorization request if we say we're going to spend this money and that.

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Is how we're going to do it? Then we need to get the authority to have that much available to us.

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This sometimes comes up as a question later in the process and if we don't want to take on debt.

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The time to make that decision is, when you adopt your budget, not some time after.

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You've adopted, but I've not adopted your budget now, there's difficult timing here.

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We are just beginning here today to talk with you about cip, yet right now we have to get a number.

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To the general assembly for the legislation, uh it'd be nice if it didn't work that way.

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But that's what we're stuck with, so uh we have to send them a number that doesn't commit you.

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To anything, it just gets us the authority and we'll talk a little bit more about that.

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A few definitions so that we're all talking the same way appropriations mean you've adopted a.

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Budget that sets revenues and expenditures. What you are legally able to do authorized means.

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The general assembly has told you you have the authority to issue bonds up to a certain amount.

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Issued means we've actually sold them. This is when rob comes to you to say we're going to.

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Sell going to sell our bonds today and planned means we built a cip that says.

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Here's what we expect to happen in the future, so important things to remember.

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You can have an appropriation without spending, you can have an authorization without an appropriation.

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And an authorization commits you to nothing, it just enables you to move forward.

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Before fiscal year, 22, based on this preliminary recommended cip.

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We are suggesting that we ask for 48.45 million dollars of new bond authorization.

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Now things could change as we go through the process uh projects may get added or dropped.

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They might change in scope or cost uh one wild card for us is sometimes the fire companies will.

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Come to you to ask to be included in our bond bond issue, so we don't know everything right.

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Now, but we have no reason to expect that this would change in any significant way.

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So we recommend the 48.45 remind you again, that this is only enabling.

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Does not commit you to anything.

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Rest of the process in march we'll be coming to you with our overview and recommended budget in.

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April agency hearings- and this is something that you probably are going to want to talk.

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About given our situation, do you want to have the hearings to have everybody come to you and.

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Tell you what they're looking for in the budget, the state's general assembly session ends in the.

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Beginning beginning of april, you will release your proposed budget in april.

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Early may will have a public hearing on the budget in late may, you'll be set to adopt your budget.

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So the thing I need from you today.

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Is you're okay to send that 48.545 million dollar bond authorization request to the general assembly.

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And uh for clarification, mr zelensky, why is it we gotta go hand in hand.

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To the general assembly for bonds, because we do not have our own authority.

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Okay, any comments, discussion.

G

Hey ted remind me of what the request was um last year. I'm.

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Not that that has any merit, but I'm curious. What was it last year? Do you remember dad.

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Big ballpark at the quest yeah. I think he was in the 30 million area. Oh look! That's what I'm.

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Remembering something along those lines, I guess my point is here we're you know we're asking.

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For a little bit more of an increase, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not so sure that it's a.

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It would be looked upon as a huge increase and I don't think there's ever any questions down there.

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Anyway, uh they, this is just pretty much a right on through, because you know um this is one area where.

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We know better than they do and they identify that and I'll leave it like that. The only.

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Wishing, of course, that other areas were the same okay, thank you.

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Deb just got the number 38.25 wow yeah okay, so it was close to 40.. Okay. Thank you.

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Okay, so I'll make the motion. The board of county commissioners approve the bond authorization to 48.

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Million 450 000 fi 22. I'll second it knowing we do not have to spend it. It's only a request. It's.

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The authorization piece of this correct, okay got a motion. We have a second of 48.45 million.

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Dollars to go down to the general assembly for approval any further discussion comments, questions.

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Seeing hearing none all in favor.

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Okay, unanimous, thank you so much ted and dad presentation. Can we get quizzed on this later.

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I'll put something together: no okay, no yeah. It's called.

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It's called a two-month quiz, eric yeah, exactly um okay, do we have anybody.

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Online for open does not appear too; it does not appear to okay, administrative anything for.

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uh Open admin. um I know there is a letter that has been drafted and is going to the five of us.

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With the intent of going uh to our governor, uh we will discuss that further. um I think during closed.

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Maybe and then get a letter out uh appropriate uh and what else anything else open admin.

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Roberta, no okay, um let me go through the agendas and then we're going to go into closed and then.

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Open at 13 at 1, pm or 1300, so, let's see starting on the 18th. We will be closed uh in observation.

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Of martin luther king jr day on tuesday, the 19th uh myself and commissioner weaver will be.

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Participating in a virtual meeting with the veterans independence project meeting, which.

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Is uh ed cramer and frank valente and our team? We have a planning and zoning commission.

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Where commissioner boucher will be attending at uh nine o'clock and then the veterans.

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Advisory council again, commissioner weaver and I will be attending that at 2 p.m. On wednesday,.

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uh Mako legislative committee meeting commissioner fraser and lance will be attending now on thursday.

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The 21st we have open session uh you're the time just for the record. The time will make for the for.

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The record the time on mako has been changed because of the bulk of bills and because that.

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Happens to be inauguration day, so I uh that that has been changed and pushed to 9 30 a.m.

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Okay, thank you, thursday, open session. We will.

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uh Continue with uh our administrative piece and then also having our health department and.

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uh Mike fowler is, he can do every other week. Is that the intent or every week every week? So it's.

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Not on here, but he will be attending as well, and then we will have a briefing on the manchester.

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Annexation of patriots overlook. We will talk about a text, a potential text, amendment in finksburg.

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We will have a request for pre-approval of the fy 22 annual transportation plan.

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And public hearing notice.

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uh Request: a grant application acceptance of an award of hampton valley watershed, restoration.

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And then at 1 pm we will have a joint meeting with the board of education. A draft agenda has.

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Been provided, I know to us for our review and then we'll get it out to the public once it's.

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Accepted nothing scheduled on friday, saturday and sunday very looking forward to commissioner.

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Frazier's podcast that he will present way to end the week. That's what I have to say.

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Some people say sunday is the beginning, but that's right so anyway monday the 25th. We have no way to.

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Start the week until rudely interrupted I'll, keep going tuesday, the 26th we have the board.

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Of county commissioners, uh we have a closed admin session at 1pm and then at 4pm is a ccea.

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Really annual local lobby night virtual meetings and commissioners.

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Boucher weaver and frasier are attending that enjoy uh wednesday. The twenty seventh step.

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Invitation I'm not listed on, I accepted it yeah I thought it was all of us. I thought it was isn't.

K

This, where they're coming to us, yes they're, like two of them, come to us and have a meeting except.

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This will be virtual, but yeah yeah. That's what I thought it was so it'll be at 4 pm on tuesday.

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um Wednesday, aging and disabilities meeting commissioner wentz will be attending that.

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Mako mako um legislative committee uh again, commissioner frazier and lance.

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Scheduled at 10 30 on wednesday, the 27th.

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On thursday board of uh we have our open session, um we will be.

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Again, talking about the manchester annexation, patriots overlook and possibly making a.

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Decision, I believe, on that we will request an approval or excuse me, we will discuss and then.

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uh Potentially, go to uh public hearing on proposed amendments of our chapter, 34 ethics.

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There's going to be a whole lot more, I expect on that morning.

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And then uh 1 p.m. We do have open session with the environmental advisory council scheduled right now.

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And we'll see what else is added on that the rest of the week? We have nothing and sunday, we have the.

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Podcast with commissioner boucher speaking.

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Okay, is there anything else that I either glossed over or missed.

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Seeing hearing none, I believe we need a motion to recess until 1pm will that work.

F

Submission to recess or one piano, okay, I got two motions. Do I have this second weaver's motion.

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We have a motion, second any further discussion and then we'll stay fast, foreclosed. Okay, all in favor.

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Okay, unanimous: uh let's now.

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End today's session and third 1 p.m. We will go back into open, 1300, 1500, correct.

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