Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 14 Sep 2023

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Morning, commissioner, roth jeans, thursday september 14th, it's 9 15.. We have our open session dinner.

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We will go into close after that for land acquisition before we get started.

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As always, let's take a moment for pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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Of america, under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, let's start, commissioner, karen I'm sure thank you. Okay, good morning, carroll, county.

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Was september 11th, as I as I normally do, I attend mount aries september, 11th, remembrance,.

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At the pine grove chapel, which is a oh thank you, which is a beautiful chapel on main street, there.

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In mount airy that was built in 1846, it was a wonderful evening. I'm a proud resident of.

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Mount airy- and I want to thank the mayor mayor hush hour, who himself is a retired naval aviator.

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In the town, council and the town staff, it was a wonderful event, a lot of civic groups, a lot.

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Of veterans groups, many of which I know the marine corps league civil air patrol- was there my friend.

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Ted nettles with the maryland patriot, riders as usual, is always everywhere and very present.

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Boy scouts, the my american legion post, 191, commander ted morris, the vfw commander, matt harris.

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And most importantly, the family and the friends of two of mount airy's fallen on.

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September 11th chief warrant officer, william ruth a vietnam veteran lost his life in the pentagon.

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Enable lieutenant commander ronald valk lost his life as well.

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His widow was there in attendance with his family. They had a daughter after he perished.

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But the point of september 11th is to remember it was a wonderful event.

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I would encourage everybody to attend a 9 11 event every opportunity they get because.

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It's so much more than just talking about the events of november 11 september 11th.

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It's an opportunity to come together with people that care the people that still grieve.

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And that people with people who have really dedicated so much time and effort to what I called.

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Remaining the uh the silent centuries for the.

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Brothers and sisters that were lost on september 11th and then after that.

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Avenging their deaths. So again my my many many thanks to the the men and women of mount airy.

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It was a it was a fantastic event. I'd ever been more proud to be a resident of mount airy.

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And uh thank you all for those that attended and it made it such a special evening.

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Commissioner, gordon, thank you um I'll just follow up in reference to the 911.

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Event, the memorial service that was at the public safety training center on.

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On the 11th myself, commissioner rothstein commissioner bigliotti and commissioner kyler.

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In attendance of that to anyone, that's never attended or been out to the public training.

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Or public safety training center, I would say you should take a moment to to visit there outside for.

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One very specific reason: there is a artifact which is a portion of what occurred on 9 11 that were.

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I'll, oddly use the word, I guess fortunate to have. We have a a real piece of history. There.

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um It's very poignant to look at that and realize that that that piece of metal is part of one of.

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The buildings that occurred in new york um that morning I was talking to uh our director of public.

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Safety and emergency management, valerie hawkins uh before the memorial service got underway, and I.

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Thought her comments during were very poignant, and we were talking about how, for many of us it seems.

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Like it's only been a day or so away on the other end, for some it seems like it's been a world away.

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And we're at a point now, where there's generation there's a generation now that didn't even.

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Experience this firsthand and at times history seems to get away from us whether it be this.

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Tragic situation and an attack or any other event in history, and I would just highly recommend to.

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Anyone to to really kind of dial down and take a look at what actually occurred you you know if you.

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Weren't allowed five at that time you, you know, you don't recall where you were that day. I know all.

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Of us can poignantly think of what we were doing that that morning, family friends, relatives those.

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We know that passed, but I would just definitely suggest for anyone that was not around during.

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That that experience and that horrible attack that day to try to take a little time and look.

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A little deeper into what what occurred that day and to understand a little more of our history.

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um But a very, uh very well attended memorial and was happy to be there with my colleagues.

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To uh show respect and uh and observance for those that lost their lives, that.

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Last uh last week, some of you may have noticed in the city of westminster. There are now some.

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Digital signage put up regarding conserving water, it says help conserve water, every drop.

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Counts very very true statement. The city has also put out hanging tags throughout westminster and.

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They're asking that people conserve water, as we all know, it's been a uh a difficult year.

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Water, wise and that we need to uh be diligent and careful as to how we're maintaining and utilizing.

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Water in the community, so please, if you can don't water, your yards, try to reuse water if you've got.

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Rain barrels- fantastic, definitely something to have, but just to be aware that it's a challenging.

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Time for the county as a whole, but definitely for westminster, which westminster has had some water.

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Issues going back decades, but now is definitely time to be as aware as you can be on that topic.

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Last thursday evening I was at covalent spirits which hosted the historical society's history.

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Shaken and start event good turnout. It was a great opportunity to interact with a good chunk of the.

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The public and a lot of good guest speakers we had people, including steve bowersox, sam riley,.

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Ryan melhorn and gail roop. I do believe, there's going to be a number of other events like this.

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In the future, definitely that evening was a lot of unknown stories of carroll county history, so.

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If you have the opportunity to keep an eye out and do turn into one of their upcoming events,.

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And then, on saturday I was in attendance at the grand opening of the westminster automotive tire.

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Pros which is located right outside of westminster city proper, they held a car, show in celebration of.

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Their opening, with their neighbors across the way, the carroll county veterans, independence, project.

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And the the proceeds raised at that car show went is going to assist veterans in our county and.

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Just want to thank mike cooper and his staff at westminster, auto automotive tire pros for not only.

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Being a new business in carroll county, but also their support and appreciation and recognition of.

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Our veterans, thank you, okay, commissioner kyler um can I can I ask that skip me and I got to go first.

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I think he's going to hit some of the subjects I'm going to hit and he'll if he says it better, then I.

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Don't even need to in that case you could take a a coffee break if you'd, like commissioner vigliotti.

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Thank you, commissioner rossi, and thank you very much I feel like this was I'd like to take my.

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Two minutes and give it to the kind gentleman to my left or whatever. As long as I still get mine.

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Back during his time observing your time now there you go go ahead. Thank you very much. So.

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Monday morning, along with my fellow commissioners, I had the honor of joining them participating in.

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The annual september 11th memorial ceremony at the carroll county public safety training.

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Center, a layer wreath in memory of those who lost their lives on that day 22 years ago, along with.

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First responders and officials from in and beyond the county, the ceremony was very well hosted by.

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Cc visa president susan mott and some of the speakers included, commissioner ed rothstein.

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Director of the department of public safety, valerie, hawkins and carroll county chief and.

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Director of the department of fire and emergency services- michael robinson, all of whom, who spoke.

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Very well and spoke to the heart of the matter of the day. Additionally, a well-known singer friend in.

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Carroll county resident devin nichols performed the beautiful rendition of the star-spangled.

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Banner and commissioner rothstein specifically noted how we, as a nation, grow stronger in the.

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Face of tragedy, and almost as if there are some godfelt sense to the occasion, what began as a.

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Somber misted morning became a sunny september day and I think it's right that our county remembers.

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This day, because we recognize that the amount of time between us and that day makes what happened.

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No less important and because the terrorist threats we face then still do exist today.

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I also wanted to take a moment to thank the students of northwest middle school in.

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Taneytown, where the victims of september 11th were honored with the placement of american.

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Flags in this beautiful installation that you see in these pictures, the students should be.

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Commended for their incredible efforts and for having the wisdom of preserving the memory of.

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That day- and I do know that other schools, businesses, groups and organizations in our.

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County have also honored the solemnity of the day and that's certainly a credit to the county.

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Yesterday I had the privilege of attending these seniors on the go expo at the ag center here in.

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Westminster, which was hosted by celine steckel and all the wonderful people in citizen services, I was.

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Very well attended- and some of my commissioners have gone into detail about yesterday, so I don't.

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Have to go too much into that, but it was awesome to meet with so many of our senior citizens to.

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See and to see what opportunities and assistance there is for them in this county and to see how.

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Our county values them I'm going to take a very quick moment here to segue into a topic. That's.

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Related to this, because I think it is important it needs to be talked about. I want to say a quick.

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Word about the idea of aging itself, I know in the news recently there's been a lot about age.

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And the current situation, uh the holding of office there's been a call for age limits or age maximums.

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For things like office holding, I want to express publicly that I'm utterly against imposing an age.

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Maximum on anyone, for any reason you know age is a number- is something that nobody can help.

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And indeed, someone's age, whether you're, 50 or 75 or 100, it has nothing to do with capability or.

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Capacity, it doesn't matter how old someone is it matters, how effectively they can do their job and.

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That applies to any part of our human construction that we can't help, there's a reason why we don't.

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Discriminate based on things like race or sex or other physical aspects. Additionally, there's.

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Also, the potential for tremendous wisdom and experience that does come with age. There's the.

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American reality that we as americans believe that all human beings are handcrafted by god.

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And that all human beings have value and there's a sense of value itself, end of integrity about.

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Who we are that comes along with having respect for the elderly? I also want to remind anybody.

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Who's calling for age maximums for anything that one day, you too will be that age. Youth is not.

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Eternal but living justly, including the rejection of bigotry for something like advanced age, secures.

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A perpetual transmission of love and respect for and through generations and again goes to the.

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Heart of who we are as americans, you know all of us have to bear in mind consistently that we are.

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Not the last generation that will ever matter or exist and as philosopher edmund burke once.

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Noted society is a kind of contract between the living, the dead and those yet to be born that.

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We inherit things from our parents and tend to them, take care of them and try to preserve the.

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Best of them and improve on them, where needed so that we can pass them along to our children.

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At no point does being elderly mean you are not a vital part of society, in fact, because.

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Of the nature of our existence of the passage of an inherited society through generations,.

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The wisdom and experience that comes with age matter that much more and if we start extending.

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Age maximums for impassioned causes. Where else do we extend them? Do we start preventing certain.

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Medical services to senior citizens just because of their age and just because you're old, doesn't.

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Mean that you don't matter now, after the seniors on the go expo, I was able to run next door to the.

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Farm museum for a meeting of the advisory board, which is always enjoyable. Everyone, of course, is.

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Getting ready for wine fest this coming weekend and looking ahead to events over the holidays.

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There are a lot of exciting events coming up and I'll share more details about those as we get.

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Closer, but you can always keep up with events well in advance at carrollcountyfarmuseum.org.

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Now one of the things that I've been asked about and I'll take a couple minutes to go over this.

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As well uh last night was a monthly board of education meeting and uh public comment was.

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Understandably, focused on the book review process. Now, while we as commissioners do not direct or.

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Control school policy, we help to fund schools using taxpayer money and, as I've stated here,.

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Quite clearly in the past and as I'll reiterate again because I've been asked about it, I do still.

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Completely support the decision of superintendent mccabe and the board of education to have titles.

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Of the concern reviewed, there's been a, there have been some who've declared this to be fascism or.

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Censorship and, as I've said before, this is not fascism for a fascistic government or entity.

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Would never take into account the concerns of any of its individual citizens. What we see here is the.

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Opposite that the superintendent and the school board are taking into account the concerns of.

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Citizens, specifically, the parents of students who attend the public schools which they administer.

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Now, in this discussion, freedom and liberty are often used interchangeably and while they are in.

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Many ways similar, they really are distinct. There are natural rights which are protected under.

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Law which ensure that particular freedoms become ordered liberty, effectively, that our freedoms do.

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Not impinge upon each other. Now what is available in school? Libraries has been conflated by way of.

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Censorship with which is with what is available beyond the school libraries, any book that may.

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Ultimately be removed from school. Libraries is not censorship for the decisions reached in the.

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Public school system do not mean that those books will be removed from public libraries online in.

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Stores or otherwise be unavailable to anybody who may be interested in them outside of the schools.

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It's also got to be remembered that a child is a parent's primary, loving responsibility during.

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The day at school, when a student is beyond the loving care of parents, it becomes the duty of.

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Those charged with administering and teaching at schools to do their best to provide a safe, sound.

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Learning environment: for them, what is essential here is that a trust exists between parents and.

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The school system in which the well-being and education of the children of those parents is.

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Central and essential, but one must also remember beyond anything else, is that those students do.

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Not belong to schools or professionals, but to their parents, and if parents have concerns about.

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What their children may experience at school? They have every right to say something about.

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It, whether it's bullying, drugs, the curriculum or the contents of books and to be precise in.

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A republic dependence upon informed consent from participating citizens. Any citizen has.

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The right to speak on any issue or topic he or she chooses or to organize in an association to do so.

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And I've listened to all the public comment. That's gone on about this and I've heard no.

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One calling for an end to freedom of speech or dismantling of the first amendment or the burning.

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Of books under the american system of ordered liberty, parents must decide for themselves.

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What they are and are not comfortable with their children, reading, watching viewing or following.

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Now the accessibility of such materials is a matter of left for parents not for school.

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Libraries and as I've mentioned previously as well atticus finch pursuing the truth in.

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A courtroom is a world removed from graphic sexual descriptions in a contemporary novel in the titles.

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That are of issue here, but consider the argument carried through to its natural conclusion. If the.

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Removal of any book from any school library is to be considered an active censorship. Then the.

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Choice not to carry a title for any reason in the first place is also to be considered an active.

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Censorship for this necessarily entails a limited act, limiting access to the title, but we know that.

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There are simple reasons for this, such as space constraints, no library no bookstore can ever carry.

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Every single title that has ever existed in the history of the world at present, it's estimated.

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That up to one million books are published every year one million books are published every year.

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And no fewer than 129 million known titles have been published in history. The reality is, is that.

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There is some form of judgment or discernment being exercised both for what is and is not.

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Included in a school library that doesn't make it censorship, it makes it common sense and that the.

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Superintendent and the school board are pursuing a common sensical path for evaluating titles of.

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Concern is a testament to their receptiveness and their professionalism, and the very last thing I'll.

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Get to here and I apologize I've gone on a little bit at length today. The very last thing I'll talk.

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About this morning is, while there's been no desire for it here. I know that there's been some concern.

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On the part of some about a return to masking or lockdowns or a new push for vaccines and quite.

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Simply put, I don't support any of those things and specifically for those who are concerned. If.

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You happen to work for this county, whether you choose to wear a mask or not, or whether you are.

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Vaccinated or not will not affect your employment status here. As far as I'm concerned, your choices.

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Are yours and left to you and the wisdom of your doctors and that's simply the case and that's it.

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For me this morning, commissioner, thank you. You follow that. I told you no um and like I'd like to.

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Say I love carroll county. I also um really value getting to serve with these four gentlemen and.

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And you switch the order today, but still when those two commissioners and this guy talk ahead.

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Of me, they've covered 90 percent of what I'm going to want to cover, which now I can. I can say that.

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Sounded good and move on, but uh no I I it's. uh We've said before we have very diverse opinions.

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And uh and some good opinions, and and it's just it makes it a good board. So thank you guys and you.

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Know maybe a little long, but thank you when you get older you're supposed to be long-winded right.

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I think I've got that pegged already and there is no, and there is no age discrimination between.

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You and I I just appreciate the experience in scar tissue that you hold, so that's all.

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The same okay, um uh fire, fire departments, volunteers, um leinberg, is doing a bingo.

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Thing and uh I love the how they put it out um with the bingo people, uh because they.

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um They love what they do and- uh and it was interesting that the seniors on the go expo had.

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Bingo going on and uh I've learned you, you don't walk through and interrupt them and uh it's it's.

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Sacred when they're playing bingo, so I I sent this to a couple of my friends just saying uh you know.

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Even if you can't afford the bus you get the bingo, so please go out and support our fire companies.

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Many of them do the bingo and and it's a good fundraiser seniors on the go x. Oh, let me back up.

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um The the budgets in honor of thomas r majid, who passed within I think within the last year.

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They're doing a gun raffle and uh it's the the all the prophets go to uh career in tech.

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Which uh thomas mudget and now justin budget um have have been very active supporting career in.

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Tech, so I want to let everybody know that and if you have the opportunity go out and support them.

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um I'm on the national um wrestling hall of fame committee- and this is the event we have and I.

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Think I've mentioned it before, but in november we're going to honor the gentleman on the right.

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um And then duck them into the national wrestling hall of fame through the maryland chapter, the.

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First name on, there is michael duffy who happens to work for carroll, county public schools and and.

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While he coached a fair amount in howard county, we can't hold that against him. He's done a lot.

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For carroll county he's done a lot for the on the state level and there's a mount st joe coach. There.

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There's a um a wrestling official there, it's a diverse group, lem satterfield. Some of you may.

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Or may not remember, he was reporter for baltimore sun and uh really really covered carroll county.

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At a time that the local paper maybe wasn't doing it quite so much so it's a good group.

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If you're interested, let me know and uh would love to get your tickets to that event,.

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Commissioner rothstein and I went to uh raising the bar, which was a workforce development. um I.

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Think they were there for three days with learning seminar and talk and they focused a bunch on.

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Blueprint and heather powell from carroll county was down there and we had a great talk with her.

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um I don't always and I'm doing a lot of ums. I don't always think ahead. I should have taken.

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A picture of you standing with somebody- and I apologize- I just didn't- do that so.

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um We I only have the governor um but uh yeah, he he spoke the day after we were there and and it's.

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Just a great event and uh it's great to see uh carroll county represented there and and and and.

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Commissioner, rothstein knows a lot of the anne arundel county people and a lot of the other.

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People so we got the we had some great discussions and and with a lot of of good people there I'll.

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Tell you just to quickly interrupt only the governor. He um he has the right staff in place. He.

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Put uh secretary portia wu in places the secretary of labor and she um has incredible pedigree of.

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uh Labor, along with the executive director of workforce development for his staff, and she came.

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From the national level, so uh cool yeah we're you know he he's putting his right feet forward or you.

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Know in uh when it comes to labor and uh heather powell, you know was recognized multiple times.

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During this conference, what carroll county is doing when it comes to uh employment, so yeah? Yes,.

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Yeah, it was a good evening and, and the secretaries were walking around the room talking to all of us.

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um Like you say, he's he's put together a good group of people who recognize.

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Little old carroll county more than I might thought they would have so it's it's very good.

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The seniors on the go- I mentioned that, oh, that that was pictures from last week.

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They're seniors on the go. The lady in the picture is victoria parks. This was.

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Her first year as the coordinator of that event, she did a great job. The other two are.

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Veterans, bill nash and bob benny, and they did complain to her that either they ran.

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Out of coffee or didn't have coffee, and so I'm sure we'll have coffee next year.

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The state's attorney's office complained to me that it was too warm in that building. So I don't.

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Know if they can't take the heat or I'd listen, I listened very nicely and nodded my head and then I.

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Said I I got to move on, I don't really care so so I'm glad I got to see their booth and nice jacket.

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Tonight, down at finksburg library, the state highway is doing a informational meeting on.

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91 and 140., I think it's going to be a lot of attendance and the state highway.

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When they did the bridges on 91 informational meeting, they they orchestrated very well and.

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I'm sure the district engineer will be there. Some people higher than our district will be.

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There project manager will be there, so if anybody has any thoughts about how that intersection is.

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Going to work out tonight's, the night to talk to them and see I did the fundraiser.

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911 everybody's talked about that it was a great morning, a great event, and uh it it it touches. You.

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You mentioned the schools with that they had all their flags at half mast and hopefully they made.

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It an opportunity to talk to kids in in all the schools, it's a it's a sombering day and and maybe.

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I mean argumentatively that pearl harbor, maybe or probably the worst days in the history of.

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Our country and and it's it's uh it's sad, but it's exciting- to see how it pulled.

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Our country, together both events, you know, put our country together and uh and showed we cared.

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Yesterday I was at the opioid prevention coalition with the health department, great discussions, great.

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Presentations, I apologize. I don't have information now, but I probably will by next week they're doing.

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Some things with memorial benches for uh victims of abuse, drug abuse or suicide, and I want to try.

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To find out, I know they're putting one in cape horn park, which is my area, the county.

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I think that's neat, but I want to find out. I know, there's a group doing it if you donate plastic to.

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A a chain, a grocery chain: they will get you a two benches a year or something, and then the health.

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Department's doing these with the the wording on it, and I want to find out how people can.

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Help them do more of those. I just thought that was awesome and kind of superficial compared.

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To the discussion with the law enforcement there and some of the recovery people who now.

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Work for the health department- it's just a great group and and they care so much and- and you guys.

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Back there all know it it just amazes me, you know we talk about whatever uh pot, isn't the pot that.

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The old people used, nothing is I mean it's it's new drugs all the time. They are very creative.

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They're stuff, that that how we stop overdurses don't work with some of the new drugs. It's.

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It's depressing how creative that industry is and how much and how hard it is to fight it.

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Carroll county public schools- my colleague mentioned that I'll keep it to two things.

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Three things one: I fully support what the superintendent's doing, I'm so glad we have.

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A strong superintendent in this county who very much values that families get to decide.

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When reasonable of for their kids now, I also want to mention none of this is just meant as.

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Disrespect to librarians or educators, but when, when you make porn available to school kids, my.

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My opinion it's just wrong and uh I'm so glad that they're doing it and I but they're doing.

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It in conjunction with the committee with the librarians and and it'll work, I won't be shocked.

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If the result ends up being that even some of the questionable books might be at the librarian's.

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Desk and if mom and dad write a note and say my daughter's son can check it out, they're allowed.

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To and maybe that's a good compromise, but I don't know if that's going to work or not there were. I.

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Think 15 speakers last night. It was interesting when the board of ed made the decision to limit.

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The speakers to 15 and have them submit the day before and let staff evaluate who could talk this.

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And and and people were you know, we were taking away their rights to speak, etc, etc. This is the.

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First meeting since that rule changed that there's been 15 speakers, it's been five six, eight ten, so.

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It doesn't infringe on anybody's rights and and makes the meetings go well. My colleague mentioned.

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Masks and vaccines and- and yes, I'm very much opposed to mandates, they weren't effective and.

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And they're not worth doing and and it's back to individual choice and and I very much support that.

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I think I've covered that one more comment about seniors since, uh for some reason,.

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I fall in that group. um Getting older is the best option that I'm aware of and and I'm.

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I'm so happy how you described it. I want to see age limits on anything, and I mean.

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I see people 10 year old or 10 years older than I am- that can run a very long race. Maybe a marathon.

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I can't but they're more capable than I am and and again you see others at advanced age that that are.

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Very sharp and and and do their jobs very well, and then you see some at younger ages that don't so. I.

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Think you address that well, thank you and thank you. um I'm not sure. Am I older than you or are.

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We saying oh heck yeah, you are thank you. I'm done. You got a heck of a lot more scar tissue than I do.

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um Yeah 911 was, uh as always, a special in solemn day.

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um You know very humbled always to uh get the opportunity to share a few words.

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um You know- and it's honestly, it's difficult but after 22 years to find the right words to share.

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um Because of all those that were be for us that had the opportunity, as as great leaders.

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To uh say some words, so I I really reflected on um you know the men and women in green, blue and.

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Red and ems and ambulance uh that were just there selflessly with such courage and never backed away.

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um You know I shared also, you know, and I took a little bit of a twist from I guess my.

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Judaic background and talked about, um you know, passover and the whole idea. There was that these.

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Folks that did these atrocities. This evil was just full of hatred, but it didn't represent the.

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Arab and and muslim community- and it was very difficult for us to get over that and we went.

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Through a very very dark time, just as you know, the pharaoh of egypt didn't represent the egyptians.

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And it took even longer for us to get through a very difficult time and the idea there is.

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There's a vengeance and a patriotism that goes along with.

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um Stopping things- and I was a part of that with my you know- I had multiple deployments in iraq.

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And afghanistan, all that kind of stuff, but what really seals the deal is the camaraderie and love.

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That we have- and we got to always maintain because that just squelches everything else.

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And uh commissioner vigliano you shared, you know this is not a time for hatred or bigotry. You know.

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And I am getting tired of a lot of partisanship which turns into hatred and bigotry as opposed.

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To listening, learning and leading together with you know who we are as americans: um okay, I'll.

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Get off the pulpit on that uh it was a tough week. We had a deer county employee pass away.

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um You know just a couple days ago and around the world, the the horrific environmental events.

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In morocco and libya, thousands were killed. Thousands and they're still trying to find.

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Folks, especially in libya, with the um the dams breaking and the mudslides, it's just hard to.

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Imagine that you know uh all of statesville being wiped out within you know, minutes.

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Or you know all of carroll county with a third of its population gone within minutes or an hour.

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I just very, very difficult and so thoughts and uh you know let their memories and be a blessing to.

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Our own county, employee, along with all those that have been lost, um the senior expo, was phenomenal.

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They're, just a bunch of rock stars- and uh you know, miss deco, along with the whole team, know.

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That, but they also know when I say rock stars, it means that I'm asking for them to do more work and.

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They just are phenomenal with everything they do, so we are very blessed to have a community that.

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Cares so much about our seniors and about um you know uh just doing what's right: carroll, county.

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Nobody knows it better than carroll countyans and it is highlighted through that senior expo.

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um Wine fest another way, carroll county's, do it right. We have a wine festival coming up.

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On saturday over to party museum, and that should be a lot of fun, you know so expect a couple two.

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Three thousand over there it's different this year, because it's a one day, wine festival, as opposed to.

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Two days, but um you know appreciate all the logistics uh they're going to support it.

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From the security to getting in and out safely and for folks who just have a great time on saturday,.

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I believe the weather's supposed to be beautiful, um excuse me, then. The last thing is uh tomorrow.

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Evening uh begins um uh rosh hashanah, which is the new year. For uh those um you know, the the jews.

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You know around the world and you know it starts friday. Night goes through saturday, sunday, so I'll.

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Balance my time, whether I go to the wine festival and enjoy that or uh listen to a sermon which I'm.

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Not sure I want to right now, but that's right, you're going to do both. At the same time, I can.

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Do both at the same time I'm allowed, especially if my my mom with me, so that could be a good excuse.

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um But wishing everybody uh shinatova a very happy healthy and good new year as we move forward.

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Okay, let's have one prior to um yeah proclamation, so, uh commissioner vigliotti you have something.

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To share, I thank you, commissioner rothstein. It is constitution week coming up from september.

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17Th through september 23rd 2023., uh I believe we have a james engler, the from the westminster.

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Chapter sons of the american revolution with us today, if you'd like to come up to the front sir.

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So I'll read through the proclamation and we'll turn it over to you.

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Proclamation constitution, week september, 17, 2023 to september 23, 2023. and I'll. I will only read.

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The first, whereas I promise, whereas we, the people, did ordain and establish a constitution for the.

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United states of america to secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity and it.

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Is important that all citizens fully understand the provisions, principles and meaning of the.

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Constitution, so they can support, preserve and defend it against encroachment and constitution.

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Week provides an opportunity for all americans to learn about and reflect upon the rights and.

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Privileges of citizenship and its responsibilities and september 17 2023 marks the 236th anniversary.

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Of the signing of the constitution of the united states by our nation's founders and.

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The congress by a joint resolution of february 29 1952 designated september 17th as citizenship day.

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And by joint resolution of august, 2nd 1956 requested that the president proclaimed the.

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Week, beginning september 17th and ending september 23rd of each year as constitution week, and it is.

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Fitting to accord official county recognition to this important anniversary end, we urge all leaders.

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Of civic, social and education organizations to conduct ceremonies and programs that celebrate.

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Our constitution and to reaffirm our rights and obligations as citizens of our great nation.

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Now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, do hereby command to the westminster.

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Chapter of the sons of the american revolution for lending its leadership and promoting this.

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Historic and patriotic observance and preserving our cherished american heritage and hereby.

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Proclaim september 17 2023 through september 23 2023 as constitution week adopted this 14th.

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Day of september, 2023 assigned to the entire board of carroll county commissioners, thank you.

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um I've been here before over the a good number of years. My name is jim engler, I'm the immediate.

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Past president of the westminster chapter, I'm a past president of the maryland state.

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Since the american revolution, and currently I'm serving as the vice president general.

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For the mid-atlantic district, which covers virginia d.c, maryland delaware and pennsylvania.

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The sar is the largest lineage society in the country. We've got nearly 37.

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000 members spread mainly across the u.s, but also across the world. Every one of us can.

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Trace our ancestry back to a man or a woman who provided either military civil or some.

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Patriotic service- and yes, there were women that served even back, then maybe pretending to be men.

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So that they could get by, but definitely serving and definitely sacrificing being.

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Even in civil government was a risk of treason of being hung by the british if they wanted to.

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Even taking an oath of allegiance or paying taxes to support, the army was a reasonable act, but those.

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Were the acts that helped to defend and create the country that we've got a few weeks ago? I was up.

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In uh in brooklyn, where we honored the loss of over 250 marylanders at the battle of brooklyn,.

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That was an early battle of the war. It could have ended, disastrously for the american cause, but.

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Those marylanders sacrificed their lives and allowed the american army to get away and to.

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Fight another day, what we do uh the chapter has been in carroll county since 1985 is to.

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Try to promote that history to our members of the community. Today we honor those in public safety. We.

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Run contests for the youth to try to link them to what the past was and how it applies today.

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We try to honor those patriots by doing grave markings recognizing our rotc and jrotc.

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Students as well as eagle scouts, so we have a variety of activities. We do one in fact to to put.

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On your agenda for some time in the near future is that we did get approval from the state highway.

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Administration for a new highway marker, which will be put south of taneytown near bruceville,.

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In 1781 general anthony wayne marched from york down to charlotte virginia to join up.

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With lafayette's contingent to harass cornwallis prior to yorktown uh on at the end of may of that.

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Year they encamped at bruceville, so we are trying to mark the entire of the trail from york. All the.

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Way down to charlotte that's our component, so we do have some history of the revolution that.

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We can take pride in here in carroll county and we're going to be doing that so we'll be.

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Inviting you when we get that I do. Thank you very much for taking the time and doing the.

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uh Proclamation for constitution week, it is important that we let people know what.

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That history is, and history has been something that's been mentioned multiple times this morning,.

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So again, thank you very much. I I appreciate it and uh I was born and raised in new jersey and.

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I went to lafayette elementary school in the anthony wayne junior high school, so both were.

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You know very well leaders or very well known leaders up in jersey during the revolutionary war.

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um So I appreciate you sharing that, and the other thing I just want to share is um and I'll get to.

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My colleagues is, you know, for a long time I took an oath to the constitution and others have asked.

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Me to take other oaths to other statements or things and actions, and I say I can respect it.

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I could support it. I could do a lot of things, but for me, deal to the constitution was deals that I.

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Needed to stand by and uh it was not in disrespect to any you know, effort, but you know uh you take it.

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Very seriously I'll put it that way and that's what holds this oath. Above all others. You know.

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It's because it's our constitution, so that's my two cents, but any thoughts or comments just.

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I guess more of a question: are we able to trace- and I know carroll county was obviously frederick.

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County back then, but are we able to trace any residents uh of what would have been carroll.

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County uh to the battle of long island where to service at any point in the american revolution,.

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It's a good question. I don't believe we have, but we do have a number that served in various areas. A.

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Lot of people a lot of we have somewhere around 60, known patriots buried in carroll county, a number.

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Of them served in militia in pennsylvania and then moved down into this area. We do have notable.

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Patriots, for instance, joshua guess buried just near near westminster. His brother mordecai was the.

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Commanding officer for the regiment that fought that day in in brooklyn, so it sometimes is a.

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Little bit difficult to tell for certain what the actual history of any individual patriot is. Where.

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They fought if they did a pension. Yes, we'll know that kind of information, because they'll mention.

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It in their pension, but there were many that did not put in a pension, because at the time it was.

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Mainly for those that were destitute, so they were looking for some support because of the sacrifices.

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They had made, if you didn't, you generally didn't have that kind of thing. People did get land grants.

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For their service, sometimes they had to say what they did. Sometimes they didn't, but that was mainly.

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For federal service, so it is questionable. Sometimes you can find it out. Sometimes you.

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Can't I'm not sure that we've actually identified a particular person in carroll county who was at.

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Brooklyn itself there were somewhere around 400 marylanders that were in that battle and 250 of.

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Them died as a result of it. So not too many did come back from that particular one now was it.

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Originally I'm from long island and whenever we used to leave the island. Typically, we go past some.

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Of the areas where they had plaques setting up the battle of long island- and it always interested me.

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Because you have like highways that completely surround what used to be battlefield used to be.

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The farmland right and the marsh there- and um you know I think it's a credit to to you- know this to.

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Us here and, of course, to places like gettysburg where that history gets preserved and I suppose.

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My my other question is, um you know, I know after the battle uh there's been all this archaeological.

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Research done about where they buried the bodies of the marylanders who fought and died during the.

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Battle of long island- and they think they have a narrow down to like a certain section of the.

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City where they were buried in a mass grave- and I was just wondering if you knew anything else.

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About that, if there'd been any progress made about whether or not we would be able to find and honor.

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The the maryland men who died in that battle. Well, there are some claims about a particular location.

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Where they were believed to be buried a couple of years ago, new york was doing some work for.

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I believe it was either a park or an elementary school and as a part of that they had to do or an.

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Archaeological dig, I don't believe they found any of the remains at that point. So to this point, they.

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Sacrifice died and their location where they were buried is known only to god truly gotcha.

G

Thank you very much. You're. Welcome any other comments. Just thank you very much yeah. Yes,.

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Thank you appreciate it. Okay, why don't we get a picture to commemorate and it's on your way.

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To make sure you look okay right, yeah.

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Okay item number one up.

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Transferring some funds.

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Okay, transferring the funds operating approval of resolution zero. I can't read it since I scribbled.

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It out well approving resolution to transfer funds for a purchase of additional solar speech signs.

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How's that 0.24.01, in my case, okay, thanks, okay, so this is one of those things that always.

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Seems awkward, you're approving a transfer because you're about to consider a purchase.

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And there is no budget for that purchase at this point, so you've already really covered.

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What I'm doing here so we need to transfer the funds before we spend the dollars.

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Motion to approve resolution 0.24-01 to transfer funds for purchase of additional.

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Solar speed signs. Second, I have a motion. I have a second. Is there any discussion.

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On that transfer seen here, none all in favor aye. Okay, now, let's spend the money.

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Thank you to spend the money first and then it is unusual that you're.

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What's that you're transferring money before I even make the request to I'll.

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Do it disapprove it, maybe we'll put it back into the operations so with some interesting.

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Good morning, commissioners, good morning, the office of procurement in cooperation.

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With the carroll county sheriff's office request your approval to purchase 10 solar speed signs.

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With the needed accessories to all traffic solutions in the amount of 52 135 dollars,.

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This cost includes a seven thousand dollar discount. All traffic solutions was awarded a.

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Co-Star's contract that was competitively bid and with the board's approval, the transfer of.

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Funds, this amount is now within the budget and no additional fund should be required, so good.

K

Morning as uh maureen said that I'm asking for the purchase of five additional sets, so it's ten signs.

K

um Speed signs we typically put the signs out in pairs. So if, if you look at a road like.

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um Lineborough we would, we would put them out at the beginning of a of town and at the exit of town.

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um So we put them out in sets typically my office and and on a lesser scale, but uh but.

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Between the two offices, the commissioners and the sheriff's office, we get hundreds of speed.

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Complaints a year, citizens often ask for the digital speed signs to be placed because they.

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Are effective in slowing down traffic and help us with targeted enforcement through the data that.

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We collect typically citizens call into our office and ask for additional enforcement on.

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The roadways based on their observations and it appears to them that the that the traffic.

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Is traveling above the posted speed limit and these signs often help us with substantiating.

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What they see, sometimes it unsubstantiates what they see but oftentimes. It helps them and we'll.

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Provide them with the data that we get once uh once we put the signs out for a period of time.

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Many roadways we are familiar with and we use data from our current digital signs, along with crash.

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Data to conduct enforcement. Additionally, we'll work with the county traffic engineering office.

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Or public works if we see a roadway that has a signage issue or has some sort of uh you know.

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Like a, I guess, an engineering issue will work with them and oftentimes we'll we'll go in and work.

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With them get signage place in appropriate places or do something with the roadway, and we don't.

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Need to enforce, as as often so so there are other. There are other tactics and techniques other than.

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Enforcement thrown up signs because we only have two sets of design, so we can only put these out.

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In two different areas at any given time, it's hard to accommodate all the requests that we get into.

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Our office for the signs citizens make the request for the signs they like seeing them and, and they.

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Do work they do slow down traffic in the areas where they are positioned. The signs we are asking.

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To purchase are newer generation than the ones we currently have. They are solar, powered and don't.

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Require a battery which the ones we currently do need batteries; those those signs that we use.

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Require two batteries, a piece they're about 300 for each battery and they last for about five days.

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Of gathering data once once the batteries start to to go down, they've got to be pulled off. Recharged.

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And put back up typically, we only leave them out between three and five days and then we'll move.

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Them and take them to another location. Deputy devibio is in the back he's my guy that runs.

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Them around he's our traffic enforcement deputy and he is moving them around constantly. There's.

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A big need for them. These additional signs will allow us to deploy more in areas throughout the.

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County and for an extended period of time, because they don't require the battery replacement. Besides,.

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The signs also come with a data package that provides us with real-time analysis and reports.

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Of traffic volume and speeds the data is web-based and allows us to target enforcement based on what.

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We actually see I'll, give you an example. I think we were we'd put them up in lineber for a period.

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Of time and and um will the deputy will remote into them and we can see a data report come.

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Through and there are specific times of the day- and there was one car that was buzzing through.

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Same speed just about every morning, it was at mach speed, just because there's nobody out there, so I.

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Sent mario out to introduce himself into that individual, but that that does give us real-time.

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Data we can look at that and enforce based on what we see in 2022 stakeholders in carroll, county.

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Including my office developed a strategic safety traffic safety plan for all roadways in the county.

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Perching, these additional site purchasing these additional signs and deploying them allows our.

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Office to meet recommendations contained within the plan and I think overall, additional signs.

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That we are able to place throughout the county will help our efforts to slow traffic and handle.

K

Complaints more effectively, I get a lot of the complaints in in all five of your districts and.

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um And I'll send mario out to put the signs up and and again there's a list of places that would like.

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To see the signs- and there are repeat uh customers that will come to us and say: look the signs helped.

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um Can you please place them back up um and we'll go and do that gather data from it and then it'll.

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I think I've sent most of you the reports that are generated from it. It it does. Average speeds high.

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Speeds low speeds times a day, traffic volume, everything that we need in order to enforce.

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Sometimes folks, citizens will call us and say, look the signs themselves are, are slowing people down.

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Correct, but when you take them away, they speed back up. So what we'll do is we'll we can remotely.

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Turn off this feed, so it just gathers data so that we can look at raw data without somebody.

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Seeing a sign and slowing down so there's so many different advantages to having the sign.

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Systems out there and just looking at all five of you, I can think of two or three roadways in your.

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Jurisdictions in your districts that I always get calls on, and so these would be really advantageous.

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For us, so it is an out of budget request, um I'm asking for for the five of you to consider it.

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And if, if you see fit to make the approval to purchase them, I'm certainly in support of the.

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Sheriff you and your department do an amazing job and I know every as you mentioned, we all get.

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Certain complaints- and I say complaints- I don't mean in a negative way, but if we get concerns.

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From citizens about speeding in certain areas, and so for me, you know going ahead with the purchase.

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Of these signs would allow not only the targeting of of speeding and to ameliorate the concerns of.

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Citizens, but I think it would also help your department because it allows you to adequate.

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To more adequately place resources where they need to go, you know, we all know we're working.

G

With limited funds and limited uh resources- and so this for me is another, as you would.

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Say a tool in your chest to be able to to serve the public. So I'm completely in support of this.

G

The um uh the next step, you know, could be cameras. So it's fair. It's interesting. You say that so I'm.

K

I I am not a big camera enforcement person, I am uh I'm in support of them on our school buses and.

K

And it is, it is very random. The the only the only place that I would approach you, the five of you.

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And say: let's look at this: a little closer would be directly in front of a school yeah. um Okay,.

K

So so I I do have a meeting. I don't know exactly what it is on my calendar, but in the next couple.

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Of weeks I'll be traveling to montgomery county to see how they work their systems.

K

um They're they're just generating revenue there and I'm not sure, but but the the system.

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Itself is what I want to see where they're positioned is what's extremely important.

K

And to give you an example- and um I grew up in your district- so uh freedom elementary.

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um Carrolltown elementary eldersburg elementary, I mean I can think of so many different schools.

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But I I wouldn't support a camera system that operates not right uh during the school school.

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Hours and it would have to operate almost directly in front of a school system in order.

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To slow traffic down so there there would be a a huge discussion between my office and the board.

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Of commissioners before we even took a step like that, so I'm just I'm somewhat against it.

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um But but the future says that I've got to look at these things and whether they're right now.

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I don't know whether it's something right for the future, maybe, but I'm neglect. If I don't look at.

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These things it's a good answer. Folks, I'm I mean personally, I well professionally and personally.

A

um They're frustrating in places just like you said to generate revenue and I'm not a big.

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Proponent of cameras, but uh I am of safety. So if you know looking at schools, you know and whatever.

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We can do to continue to safeguard our our kids going to schools. That's you know that may be.

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Location example: what I'm against um east middle is a golf ball shot from here.

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I don't know a three wood for you and eight iron for me, but but uh maybe uh for you but.

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But there's no reason to put a camera in front of east middle. But what what some jurisdictions.

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Do is they use the benefit of having the ability to put a camera within, let's say, a half a mile.

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From a school and they throw it in a watering hole that they're just trying to gather rather revenue.

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And I'm just so against that, so those would be things that we would strategically look at it.

K

May be an option it may not be, but I think we got to talk about it. These are. These are good devices.

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That that help us gather data target enforcement, maybe we'll slow. Some of the complaints that you.

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All get and and help us with multiplying our our resources. I I appreciate it and I.

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Absolutely agree with you, which is not always the case, but in this case I do what the three.

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Iron and the eight hour- that's probably I don't know about that, but I'm broken leave me alone. Okay,.

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um Are there any other comments before you hear, emotions a comment and, and then a question.

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And- and I I love what you've done with the movable ones. And but this isn't just about complaints and.

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Speed church street and line bar has accidents and the state highway's been out there. The sheriff's.

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Been out there and one of the things I love about carroll county, everybody seems to work together.

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um Citizens were involved and the state highway actually paid to move fences on.

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Private property to increase visibility, and they did rumble strips, they changed their signs and.

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Now, with this incorporated in it, I think it's really going to cut down on accidents. The last.

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um Other than this, the last thing there, the one corner, has some shrubbery and there's been some.

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Difficult communications back and forth, and but I think, that's going to get resolved in the next.

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Couple weeks and and increase visibility on that corner, so it's it's uh it's it's not just about.

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Speed and complaints, it's it's! It's accidents and people being heard. So I appreciate what.

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You've done, I appreciate doing this, but then my question, you, you don't coordinate with it or you.

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Probably coordinate the towns that are so a lot of the towns are using them now. They're buying.

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Them they're deciding the locations, maybe maybe in discussions with you guys, but the towns are doing.

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That themselves or themselves yeah and and a lot of them, I think new windsor has a set that they.

K

Move around that my deputy will move around um the town, but um that that's their choice. They put them.

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There they see it, they see a benefit in that and and really I think, the overwhelming majority of.

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People want to comply with the speed limit and that subtle reminder that hey here's, the speed.

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And here's what you're doing is helpful to them. We've all seen that and going through manchester.

K

I think you see them and I'm through lineber all the time. The two commanders behind me are one of.

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Them lives just north of lineborough, and so um I agree with you in that in that particular area.

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And I know that commissioner vigliotti's got an area. um Commissioner, gern's got an area he's.

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Got 50 areas I mean we could put these signs up everywhere and and permanently place them, and I.

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Think they would be beneficial. These would be semi-permanent permanent that I could pull up.

K

And and move to different locations if need be, but I believe the lineboro road location is something.

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That I I don't believe I would pull them from. I think it's something that would need to stay.

K

There and would really help with everything else. We've done with engineering and working with the.

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Community there to try and keep that we just see that as an area that is, is bound for something.

K

Tragic and I and it's kind of runs in line with what we saw at 27 in gillis, falls several years.

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Ago and it took the board of commissioners actually a previous board to put up money to.

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Do things temporary to enhance and incentivize sha to go ahead and get on that intersection and and.

K

It has made tremendous improvements. We we knew, there was going to be a traffic fatality. There.

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um And we took steps to stop it and this particular case, I'm I'm with you on lineborough.

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Road, it needs to stay there and I think it'll help that location significantly and the other thing I.

F

Really appreciate the the data you get from. It is so important to you guys, but I love that you make.

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That public, so people realize it's, not I'm not just looking at my speed. So so are you guys yeah.

K

At the right to write, I mean they, we substantiate what they see and we work with them to try and.

K

Get that slowed down, but please don't think that throne signs up an enforcement uh enforcing off of.

K

The signs are, are you know the panacea? It isn't it's working with uh chris and and engineering.

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And making sure that the roadway is designed an appropriate way to slow things down, there's other.

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Things that can be done and we we do work with those folks so and sha is a key example of that.

A

Thank you great great discussion motion to award the purchase of 10 solar speed.

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Signs with the needed accessories to all traffic solutions in the amount of 52 135 dollars. Second,.

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I have a motion. I have a second.

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Is that what it was 52? 000, okay, yep? Okay, any discussion seen here: none all in favor, aye, okay,.

A

Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it be in touch with each of you as we start to move these signs.

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Around so you know exactly where they're going: okay you're one for one. So, let's see if we can.

A

Keep it going. Let's talk about the uh proposed nuisance ordinance good morning, commissioners.

M

You recall we had a public hearing on this matter on august 31st, after which you voted to leave the.

M

Record open for 10 additional days for any public comment. I we haven't received any in my office. I'm.

M

Not sure that you have either again, the purpose of this ordinance is uh to address frequent.

M

Flyers or frequent use of police resources at a handful of properties throughout the county, a team.

M

From the state's attorney's office uh sheriff's office, county attorney's office met a few times.

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And we crafted this ordinance, which is designed to be proactive, we'd like to work with certain.

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Properties to reduce the number of calls to their properties, as I said, there's a handful that are.

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Generating a lot of calls and it's straining our police resources and real quickly. uh It's in a.

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Calendar year you have a non-residential or mixed juice property, and you run up. 10 calls you're.

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Going to be put on probation if it's a residential use, you're going to be put on probation after five.

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If it's a multi-family use, you're going to be put on probation after 12 calls within a calendar year.

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If you have any violations after that, there's going to be civil citations issued.

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Issued the first in the amount of 500 seconds 750 and the third one thousand dollars since.

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Our public hearing, I did make one small change to the uh to the ordinance to address a concern.

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It was raised by a couple that showed up from 20 town. They said if I'm living next to a body house.

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And I call the police a lot of times on the boaty house, because there's body things going.

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On uh are you going to come after me when I make my fifth or tenth call and the answer.

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Is no and I specifically put an exemption in there. This does not count as a call a citizen.

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Reporting a disturbance at or on a property owned by another, so that should address their concerns.

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We have a star-studded cast here to answer any questions you may have star-studded, so we did.

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Get a email before we get to the star study cast, we did get an email. I believe that was.

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Shared amongst all of us, I can't remember who the community member was the name, but we did, and we.

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Read it thoroughly at least I my expectations that we all did so um and that's all I got from.

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Public community, but but I know I received that email um and it's always good to see our men in.

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Blue all three of you, I'm not sure, but you know henry pinstriping there's there's so many things.

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I could say about that: yeah, no, I'm not gonna! I I will not mess with mr stewart this morning.

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um I appreciate your attendance and uh work that you and your team are doing, although you.

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Were complaining about the senior expo being too hot? I guess I don't know so he wasn't there. He.

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Wasn't well he he wasn't, he didn't complain. Others did tell him. I said hi [laughter].

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um Go ahead, piggybacking on the change you made, um so many people are concerned about.

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The individuals- but that's not the purpose of this- this isn't to make money. This is this is.

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To hopefully fix a problem, but let me use a generic example, so what you are protecting.

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Against, let's say, commissioner rothstein and I live in the same street, and I call you because.

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He's doing something awful he's being body and then I call again and then I go again.

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You're, not tracking me, I'm not getting punished, but if he's really doing something wrong, it's.

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Bringing attention to that and we encourage that correct- that the the calls would be.

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Assessed to mr rossi commission, but to follow up on that we will. We will not partake in and.

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Neighborhood disputes where you just decide to pick up the phone and call on commissioner.

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Rothstein, it has to be a if you live next to each other. We've got a constitutional issue anyway,.

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um Because you're in different districts, but um but we won't partake in in doing that for.

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You to help you with getting him in trouble. We will substantiate each individual call and most.

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People would think well. How are you going to do that? We we get 12-hour reports from from patrol.

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um My entire command staff and I do and we we can see- and even the sergeants corporals and the.

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Lieutenants see exactly what's going on, though we they'll be educated on this ordinance and exactly.

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How we're looking to have it, and for should it need to be enforced, but it isn't so that you can.

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Get your neighbor in trouble just because it has to be a substantiated complaint, and then we will.

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Work through the substantiation of that complaint before we take any sort of action and then I think.

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Tim did did address the issue with the tony town folks, um and I think, even after that, major.

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Stem and mayor miller was here from tontitown and they spoke and and addressed all that and.

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um That seems to be some of the stuff online that people were bantering about and.

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um I don't quite understand that all they have to do is sit and watch and and listen to what we're.

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Saying I'm not sure how we can say it any clearer, but uh but pick up the phone and call 9-1-1 we'll.

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Come out if there's an emergency and if there's a non-emergency we'll come out and substantiate the.

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Complain or unsubstantiate it, and if we need to use the ordinance we'll use it. If we need to use.

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Educate people, we will it's at our discretion, so it's just a piece, a tool in our toolbox again and.

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This, what so, no way whatsoever does this affect how responsive you're going to be absolutely.

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Because some people are like, oh, they just don't want to have to go well, no, you want to go. No. We do.

K

Yeah, this is a. This is a means to an end for a you know, an area that might have a problem that needs.

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To be addressed, and, and so we'll we'll address it and and your points will tell you- I mean people.

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Making opinions again on social media, which can be good and can be blows my mind, some of the things.

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I'm like, but it's not that we're going to address it. You know it's if they. If folks- and this is.

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Very important to the entire community: you want something addressed come directly to us and we.

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Will address it and we are always available phone text emails. We make ourselves very available, but.

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These social media threads are just uh interesting at best and listen, I'm I don't care what people.

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Think it's sometimes the the printed press. Also some of the headlines are just ridiculous.

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um The fact that that uh an organization would say this is not a money grab would be the headlines.

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Is only click bait right report on the story accurately, please and I think, moving forward.

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Depending on how we vote here, you guys got a group and very diligently worked on writing.

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This, but if we find out in one month six months one year that something in it is a problem and.

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You'll, be here telling us to change it and we'll be asking you: should we change this? It's not.

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um You know this isn't black and white forever, with nobody. Reevaluating it'll be constantly.

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Evaluated even the constitution was amended many times. The uh only question I do have.

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With this is the the numbers: do we have anywhere in here that there's flexibility at the discretion.

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Of law enforcement, so you know, after not six but three because of the level of.

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You know concerns there, may be it's written in the premise of may. So it's it's discretionary.

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It's not it's not like they're going to sit there with and just get gather.

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Data and start issuing okay, you know, like a bingo chart, to your point, though, commissioner,.

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um The numbers are set, but the ability for law enforcement to determine the the qualifying.

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Right factors of the call or not, okay and and as I said, we I just made a suggestion too, and I.

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Think I shared it with the sheriff's office and in other jurisdictions what they do at the first time.

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Warning is there's they give them a basically, they come out with a pamphlet, explain the law say this.

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Is the law, if you didn't know, and you got that pamphlet major stem? Yes, sir right, so um it's up.

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To use, but it's it's worked in other jurisdictions. This is the law. This is we'll leave it with you.

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We'll explain it sort of an outreach and, like I said teaching, is all about repetition. Are you.

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Saying that major stem received a pamphlet because of the warnings, it's just just something. The word.

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I don't use often, but actually it's a word. I never use it's probably the only word to jono's.

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Definition to and nobody else in the room does so maybe maybe tim does because he used it well.

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I like to say today the the joe vigliotti word of the day, we're here to ameliorate your concerns.

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About this nuisance word, that's correct that I use it right. You got that right once again way too.

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Many syllables, so I can figure it out and as far as being a money maker, the amount of effort and.

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Time that will go into collecting a civil citation will far exceed of the civil citation. So it's not.

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A money maker: it's not something we're rushing into yeah, addressing a problem and a concern with.

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A suitable solution, so I'm the way we see it, I'm I'm completely in support of this and if everybody.

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Will uh humor me for a moment or two? I want to share my thoughts as to why I'm in support of this.

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um The first thing I want to do is I want to commend commissioner gordon and our state's.

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Attorney and our sheriff and tim and major stem for putting this together and bringing this up.

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You know, I certainly think it's important, but uh so being a citizen of any country or state.

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Or county and specifically of this county, entails certain obligations and duties and among those a.

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Responsibility and accountability, these values and citizenship can be traced back to athens.

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And jerusalem, and that same set of obligations also applies to organizations, entities, property.

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Owners and businesses, all of them form a part of the fabric of the community in which they exist.

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There are some individuals and businesses in particular that do not take the responsibilities.

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Of citizenship seriously- and there are some businesses that have adopted policies and public.

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Positions which are clearly not in keeping with responsible citizenship, they call law.

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Enforcement when a crime has been committed, have paperwork filed for financial reasons and then do.

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Not cooperate with law enforcement which actively tries to solve the crime, or they repeatedly call.

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For police assistance to handle the consequences of an issue that they do not choose to address at.

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Their foundation- and there are other such similar situations as well, but you cannot be a business or.

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With corporate policies and positions to demonize the very law enforcement agencies that you rely.

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On to do what you will not, and you cannot take up their time and resources without any intent.

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To actually address the problem itself, those businesses and other individuals not only injure.

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Themselves but they absorb the efforts of law enforcement that are desperately needed elsewhere,.

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Now, to be clear, this does not apply to good samaritans, who call in crimes or citizens who file.

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Reports neighbors, who need to report, disturbances or individuals who need help, do not hesitate to.

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Call law enforcement- no matter who you are, they will always always respond. Nothing will prevent.

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Them from responding again, if someone is not involved in the ongoing criminal activity, no fines.

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Of punitive action are going to be taking against somebody for reporting it now, this isn't about.

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Trying to curtail requests for assistance has has been reported in certain media outlets, but it is.

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About prompting those who repeatedly and regularly call the police for reasons of self-interest to.

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Either begin to cooperate with law enforcement to reconsider their policies to seek real solutions.

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Or to let law enforcement agencies actually do their jobs, it's also about encouraging them to.

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Become better more responsible citizens, so, in my mind, this is another way that we back law and.

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Order and hold ourselves as elected officials to account to the citizens that we serve by.

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Demonstrating that we're serious about improving the conditions under which law enforcement must.

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Do their work, giving them the discretion and the latitude to address the changing nature of.

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Crime, but also allowing them to actively combat the crime itself is key, and so I'm very much in.

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Support of this ordinance, I think it's the chair. Yes, I I do. I think we may have to swap chairs it.

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Was very well said, and one of one of the problems, because I I respect that you do comment that all.

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You guys come and it's great. Unfortunately, like you on social media, my my haters. I would bring.

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Written notes- maybe emotion whatever to a meeting and the next day what I would see. I wonder who.

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Wrote that for him you know now you write your own right. I do my adam, that of my dogs, okay, very.

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Well said- and I appreciate their commissioner figliotti um commissioner: okay- is there any other.

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Questions discussion, if not need to hear emotion, motion to adopt the proposing the ordinance second.

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I have a motion. I have a second any further discussion. Thank you, gentlemen. All in favor, aye.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Okay, let's talk about contracting uh an award for.

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Cctv inspection of existing storm drains. Don't worry, I don't have a statement about this. One.

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Good morning, good morning, good morning, now we're getting to the stuff that I find exciting so I'll.

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Let you take the lead on this one. Can I hear a motion? It all depends on how fast you talk.

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Good morning to you both good morning, commissioner, the office of procurement in cooperation with the.

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Bureau of engineering request your approval to award a contract to standard pipe services in.

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The amount of 263 thousand dollars the bureau of engineering as part of the fy 24 pavement.

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Management program has identified existing storm drain systems that need further evaluation to.

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Determine if repairs will be required, this award will be for the cctv inspection of.

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Those existing storm drains throughout the county standard, pipe service standard, pipe.

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Services is one of the county's term contractors who continue to provide the service. Three quotes.

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Were received from two other term contractors of which standard pipe service provided the lowest.

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Quote for the scope of work to be completed, this amount is within the adoptive budget.

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So we're going to be using this service to video inspect approximately 32 000 linear feet of storm.

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Drain piping, as was mentioned, these are the roadways for our fy 24 payment management, work.

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We're going to evaluate the existing conditions of pipes ranging in size from 15 inches to 60.

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Inches so that we can determine the appropriate repair methods as we get further along in our.

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Fy24 payment rehabilitation work, we did have three prices standard pipe has performed this work for.

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Us in the past, okay, any questions discussion. If not, is there a motion motion to award the.

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Contract for closed circa television, inspection of existing existing storm drains to standard pipe.

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Services in the amount of 263 thousand dollars. Second, that motion guys. Second, any discussion.

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Seen here, none all in favor, aye, aye, okay, thank you very much. Thank you and thank you. Thank you. I had.

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A couple questions, and I hope you guys answered them, oh well, great. Thank you. That's awesome, joe.

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Commissioner vigliotti, when, if and when you make it to be a president one day, we're going.

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To know if you wrote your state of the union or somebody else, thank you for that very kind words.

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Okay: let's talk about uh bulk road salt morning got the rain go at it good morning, good morning,.

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um The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of roads operations requests your.

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Approval to award a contract for bulk road salt to eastern salt company, incorporated in the amount of.

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78 dollars a ton delivered, the annual amount spent will not exceed one million five hundred thousand.

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Dollars this contract is awarded through maryland state uh contract, which is a blanket purchase.

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Order which was competitively bid, this amount is approved in the fiscal year 24 budget with no.

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Additional funds should be necessary with a caveat that kathy mentioned to me. If we have a really bad.

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Winner, there could be additional funds needed. Well, we don't talk about that right now. Okay,.

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A good morning, um more county roads service is about a thousand miles, a road and obviously with.

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Snow comes the use of salt. We last year we only used and ordered about a thousand times which.

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Was beautiful, however? Back in 21 we used about 14, 500 tons of salt, because we had a lot of snow, not.

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Multiple inches but multiple occurrences, so um we have four salt domes that currently hold 13 300.

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Tons which are all filled to the max right now, we also rent two more locations from cj miller, one in.

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Basler and one in dd, which we truck salt too, and then at the end of the year, once we've used the.

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Salt, I try to make sure that we get it restocked before spring and summer come you tend to get a.

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Little bit better price than the following year: any questions so even the two cj miller sites you.

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Have it there 12 months a year? No, we only have it there. We rent that facility five months, five.

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Months from november to march, that's correct your own domes. You keep it in. Yes, yes, outside.

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Of the uh salt purchase the um salt dome, that's located near uh liberty, high school off of.

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Correct, I just couldn't remember hodges, um there's questions about the fencing around that has that.

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Ever been addressed to utilities, that's a utility site actually right, that's utilities. We share the.

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Salt term and we have a- we- have a trailer down a while. So the last time I was there, the fence.

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Was intact and and fine, I'm not sure what the concern would have been yeah. I just want to.

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Follow one neighbor who doesn't care for the look correct? It's a chain-length fence right chain link.

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Probably rusts over gears, so it probably isn't that I just was wondering, like I said I haven't.

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I used to run back there, but uh haven't been back there in a while. So, okay, just curious, okay,.

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Regarding salt, not anything else any discussion, if not, is there a motion motion to award a contract.

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For bulk rolled bulk bulk road salts, it's an eastern salt company, incorporated in the amount.

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Not to exceed 1.5 million dollars. Second got a motion got a second on that 10 twisting. Oh, my gosh.

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He only struggles with small work. I know big ones like one syllable, no problem, two, four six yeah any.

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Discussion seen here, none all in favor, all right, okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank.

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You, let's talk about uh hvac renovation at the carroll county office building. You know you're.

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Absolutely right, those are all one subway used say that ten times try that ten times right bulk road.

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Absolutely good morning, gentlemen, commissioners, hvac for innovation. Gentlemen, all right, the.

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Office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of facilities request your approval to.

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Award a contract to johnson controls for the renovation and replacement of the hvac system.

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At carroll county office building in the basement level, in the amount of 422 625, this work will be.

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Performed under a source well contract that was competitively bid this time, this project will.

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Be paid using frf funds and no additional money should be required morning. Commissioners, we're.

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Here today, for your consideration to award johnson controls the contract to replace a constant.

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Velocity air handler and an air uh cold condensing unit, uh the current equipment is the original to.

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The building is at the end of life, with more than 40 years of years of in-service behind it.

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The upgrades and enhancements will include a high efficiency york variable speed, air handler.

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A new condenser on the roof, along with 11 vav boxes, throughout the condition space that will.

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Better serve the area, increase energy cost and savings, and better comfort for the uh the workers.

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This hvac unit serves several key departments on the basement level here at the county office.

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Building and dad's here he has some background regarding these equipments and I think there was.

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A slide, but I don't see it pulled up, that's okay, so we can kind of talk about the background. Dad.

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Well, the the main part is uh the old unit is 40 years old. It's very noisy leaks, a lot air wise. Our.

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New systems are very, very tight, they're considered what they call freak drives means they're. The.

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Motors all the motors are driven by frequency. We lower the frequency, the motor ramps down. We raise.

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The frequency the motor ramps up vav stands for variable air volume, so the whole time is.

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We can, if there's a demand, we can supply it. If there's not a demand, we can cut that.

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Unit back, that's what's saving you energy and that's the big difference between a constant.

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Velocity and a value, a variable volume unit, so it's very energy efficient and also it's very.

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Very quiet, the old unit- you can sit there as you walk by you, can hear it humming and.

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Moaning and this new unit, you can barely hear it when you walk by it's awesome. We.

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Did have pictures for you, but that's okay, maybe next time good use of the frf funds. You know.

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So uh I apologize commissioner, I apologize hold on just a quick, uh I guess a sort of.

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Related question I mean I know that uh budget managing budget management has been having.

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Issues with their air conditioning uh is there. Is there any update to that? Is there any way.

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That we're moving to the old systems uh if they had two compressors. Those two compressors were.

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Hooked together, so if one went down it ruined the whole system, we make sure now that any system we.

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Have it's a four pipe system versus a two, so we can close down if we lose one compressor.

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We can close that side down and still use the other compressor and still keep that space up.

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um It's redundant system and that's what we're that's this system will be redundant. I just.

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Saw miss windham wanted to keep a sweat box in there or something you know, make them work harder.

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But that's okay! I, like your answer better but okay, okay, any uh any discussion on this hvac purchase.

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Is there a motion out there motion to award a contract to johnson controls for the renovation.

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Of the hvac system in the basement area of the carroll county office, building in the amount.

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Of 422 625. Second, that motion. I got a second any discussion on this. One excuse me: none all.

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In favor, all right all right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Okay, let's talk about a grant.

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Approval of submit application and acceptance of the award of the federal 2023 continuum of care.

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Ladies good morning, everyone good morning.

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Nice to see everybody again celine nice to see you again.

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Haley she is the executive director of the westminster rescue mission and she's also.

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My co-chair of the circle of caring homelessness board. I also have danielle yates. She is my bureau.

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Chief of housing and community connections also joining us in the audience. Today we have scott.

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Yard executive director of hsp human services, programs of carroll county. We have nicole jackman.

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Who is the senior clinical director at springboard community services, and we also have corey.

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Hardinger from our grants office representing our support with our cic news application today,.

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um Today, we're here to seek approval, to submit our 2023 continuum of care application and to accept.

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The award, as you know, our continuous care and our circle of caring homelessness board consists of.

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Partners throughout the county, from governmental agencies, faith-based organizations, health care.

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Providers, non-profits providers of homeless services, law enforcement, local business community.

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And private citizens that are all invested in the common goal of preventing and ending homelessness.

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Among veterans chronically homeless and for families, youth and children in our community.

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We serve on average every year between 500 and 600 homeless, individuals in some way.

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Shape or form with our services here in carroll county, the mission of our coc is to empower all.

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Citizens of carroll county to be self-sufficient and have stable housing and a safe, healthy life.

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By maximizing community collaboration, the csc news application is a competitive application.

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That provides funding to support our homeless services in the community. Obviously, you folks.

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Support homeless services, as well with some of the county dollars that are funneled into.

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Services and in a minute I'm going to have danielle speak to another source of funding.

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We also receive for homeless services, but this specific nova application focuses on a.

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Few project areas, one is our coordinated entry, which is administered by hsp, who serves as our.

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County-Wide gatekeeper for low barrier, access to housing, shelter and supportive services for.

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Homeless, persons throughout our coordinated entry system, through coordinated entry individuals, are.

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Screened through a needs assessment to determine the services they need and then appropriate.

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Referrals made, and that includes waiting lists for our shelter services and other housing programs.

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Permanent supportive housing is also funded with this, and it allows hsp to continue to provide.

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Permanent supportive housing and case management to 32 chronically homeless, individuals and family.

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Members, 20 housing choice vouchers through our annual housing plan, are also designated.

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For move-on strategy for folks that are successful in their permanent supportive housing, location and.

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Have become more stably, more stable in their in their ability to remain housed and they can choose.

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To then move on to a more permanent solution through a housing choice, voucher and our bureau.

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Of housing helps them to do that, so it's kind of a continuum of our housing solution program.

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And then we also have this year, our domestic violence, safe house provider, springboard community.

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Services is applying for a bonus project through this nofa, which was made available to support.

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Two survivors of domestic violence in their families, with temporary, rapid re-housing and.

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Case management and again in this in this process, we also have two housing choice: vouchers which we.

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Have designated for that strategy to move those folks on from rapid rehousing into more permanent.

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Housing once they reach that stabilization point, so hud has also offered additional.

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Planning funding through the application this year, which we we could not project, was going to.

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Be offered and I'll speak to why that's important in a minute and that funding we use for citizen.

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Services to administer this grant, which includes monitoring and the fiscal oversight of the grant.

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And also the planning of the application process, which is very involved and is really a year-long.

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Strategy that our coc takes on, um so um I am going to turn over to danielle to speak to the.

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Other homeless service funding that we receive soy celine said the coc nofa only provides support for.

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um Specific um portions of our outreach or homeless solutions.

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um Programs that we have the coc nova she will indicate supports our permanent supportive housing.

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Program- and it also promotes supports coordinated entry, which is how we get data into hmis, which.

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Is our homeless management information system? We also have a grant that we receive, which is called.

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The homeless solutions program grant, which is supported through dhcd. This is actually a grant. We.

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Have already previously come to you and received permission to receive that supports operational.

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Dollars for our shelters, it gives us the rapid rehousing program, financial assistance and case.

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Management, it supports outreach services that we provide. It also provides the rapid rehousing.

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Youth financial assistance and case management, and it provides financial assistance for our housing.

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Stability case management team as well. This year newly we have also received funding through our.

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Local management board, with that funding, we are able to provide support with our housing.

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um Stability program as well, we give what's called a housing navigation, individual that.

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Supports those youth, it also gives us funding for two additional individuals to support with.

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The rapid re-housing youth program that we have and that financial assistance we need the last.

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Thing with our local management board is there's a lump of some funding that we received, where we.

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Were able to buy furniture so we can support those youth when they go into rapid rehousing, because.

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As you know, they are homeless. Many of them have nothing. This just gives us a way to start them off.

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With the basic essentials when they go into their own apartment, and that, basically is the funding.

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That we receive for our homeless services. Does anyone have any questions I can answer in regards.

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Just um just a couple quick comments, I mean scott nicole and the entire team. I mean just phenomenal.

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Work, uh you know, I don't know if it's appropriate to say how proud I am that again, carroll countyans.

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Know how to take you know, care of carroll county. um This is a hard hard mission and.

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The problem set changes over time. You know, uh like commissioner kyler shared earlier about uh drugs.

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You know they change over time, uh which makes it that much more difficult to come up with solutions.

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um And uh I feel like that happens here as well. One homeless person is not the same as another, and.

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um You know the environment changes on them, their attitudes, their decisions that he or she makes.

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But you collectively are um always focus on the solution, and so that's why I say: I'm you.

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Know I guess pride, um you know that we have these type of programs like springboard and.

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Hsb and all the other ccy's being you didn't go on, we just do it so well, so your leadership.

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um To me goes a long ways, and uh you know the the workers underneath you know uh carry on because of.

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Your leadership collectively so um that that's my two cents and and they find solutions that really.

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Leverage carroll county taxpayer money through grants. Yes, that's awesome, absolutely any other.

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Conversation, if not, is there a motion can I can I just walk through the budget very quickly? I do.

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Want to identify, there is some a highlight I want to make here with the budget process, um because.

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We have the different projects that we have grant funding and the grant funding is predetermined by.

V

Hud, that's an allocation, we're provided as far as the application. We don't determine that ourselves.

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But the existing coordinated entry- it's the grant- is for thirty, two thousand. Ninety eight dollars.

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And then the current county match that we have budgeted, we had we've been budgeting, the same.

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Match amount for this grant for the since 2015, but because we have new bonus funds and a new.

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um The planning funding that they've allocated for carroll county has increased the match. Also.

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Is increasing so in 2025's budget process we will be requesting additional match and you'll see that.

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In the last column, here, the total additional match that we're going to need for the full grant is.

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Going to be twenty thousand dollars 647, but that's to support that additional money coming in and the.

V

Match is is noted here so for the expansion of the permanent supportive housing project. That's.

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Requiring an additional ten thousand dollar match in 2025. Currently, we budget thirteen thousand one.

V

Sixty six for the four hundred and thirty, two thousand seven thirty three and the springboard.

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Community service bonus project, we were getting a grant of forty five thousand dollars there.

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Is no match for that project and then the expansion of the planning grant that gives.

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Us the administrative side for citizen services that'll be an additional ten thousand six hundred.

V

Forty seven thousand dollar or six hundred forty seven dollars in match in fy25, but the total for.

V

That is fifty five thousand for the grant and then the current match we had was three thousand one.

V

Hundred and three dollars so in total, the county match in total of everything, is fifty one thousand.

V

Two hundred and eighty seven dollars that we'll be asking for in 2025 and then the total grant award.

V

Is 5 564, four thousand eight hundred and thirty one dollars for all the projects? It's awesome.

F

Do these grants stay fairly consistent or they do and the the great thing about the coc funding and.

V

The nofa is once we are awarded this funding. We continue to get that award unless we can.

V

Unless there is some significant performance issue um with the funding, we will continue to.

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Get that award and in time if we see that there's additional performance and they offer additional.

V

Funding we can apply for additional funding as it becomes available, but that money once it.

V

Comes into our county will remain ours as long as we're performing with it cool. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Yeah okay motion to approve the additional match approve the submission of the 2023 continuum of.

G

Care application and accept the award. Second, I have a motion. I have a second any discussion, see.

A

Her none all in favor, aye, okay, let's talk about the fy24 cdbg. Thank you block, grant.

G

Thank you very much.

V

So we have um I'm I'm again still here with stephanie haley, the executive director of the.

V

Westminster rescue mission and then now we we are joined by debbie stanford. um Our grants manager.

V

With management and budget- and we are here before you for kind of a repeat issue that we've visited.

V

You um with before, and that is the fy24 community development block, grant application for recovery.

V

Housing for women and children we're calling this round two. As you recall, we came before you before.

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um There was a requirement that we purchased or we have a property identified and that the.

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Neighbors were engaged in the process and we have a public hearing and we we open that up and and.

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um Really get buy-in from the neighborhood, and that was something that we felt and stephanie.

V

Felt was was not happening at that particular location. The process has changed under cdbg in.

V

The way that they are administering this grant funding, and so there's I'm going to.

V

Have debbie speak to how that looks now and why we feel that we'll we will be successful.

V

This time around in this application process, and then stephanie can speak to her plans for.

V

This as well so debbie I'll start with you to explain the difference here good morning.

V

Commissioners good morning, so this second round of funding allows us to apply for a property to.

X

Be determined so we do not within that four week period have to find a property get under.

X

Contract, you know outreach to all the neighbors and and hold the public hearing, so we will have.

X

A year to identify a property, do the outreach and and purchase the property. This is the.

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Pre-Approval to develop and to hold the first public hearing that is required by the grant.

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um So we will be back before you in october and then once the property is, if we are awarded in.

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That year, once the property is identified, we will come back before you for a second public.

X

Hearing about the specific property that we have um found so I'll turn it over to stephanie for.

X

Any questions or details that she wants to share sure I mean I I'm happy to answer any questions.

Y

um I promised I would be back um and that we would get this done, and so hopefully this is the time.

Y

That we do that one of the things that I will say is that um you know should we receive this funding.

Y

um What what we are going to be prepared with and we'll be actually a part of our application is our.

Y

Plan for neighbor outreach, so you will see very specifically how we would do that when we would do.

Y

That- um and you know we did have that incredibly tight timeline before this will give us a little.

Y

More breathing room to be able to do that kind of outreach, and you know, hopefully we will not.

Y

Have you know, hopefully everyone will welcome us um with open arms, but if not we'll have our.

Y

Work to do because this is an important issue, as you all know, and what you're saying is the.

F

Order has changed, the requirements have changed, but you're still very much want community buy-in.

F

To make this work, yes, that hasn't changed, we do want community buy-in and they and and the.

Y

Grantor also wants community buy-in absolutely, and so that's incredibly important and that's not.

Y

To say if somebody says I'm not sure about that, that we won't um have a good bit of conversation.

Y

um We know it's a difficult issue, but um but you know we we. This is. This is an important issue. Yes,.

A

It's unfortunate that you're back it is. I know I'm appreciative that you are yes. Thank you so.

A

We we want to get across the goal line on this one. We do. I appreciate that I think.

A

That I appreciate that because I think that we is collectively from us up here to you. So any.

A

Discussion on this, if not motion to approve the development of the fy24cdbg application.

G

And schedule the required public hearing. Second, like a motion, I have a second any discussion seen.

A

Here, none all in favor aye. Thank you. Thank you very much, commissioners. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Gentlemen, we are going to bypass item nine for a later date and we're going to go into a briefing.

A

On the environmental advisory council, complete work plan items.

Z

Good morning, commissioners, good morning, everybody good morning.

Z

So we are here to discuss um and some in brief, you update you on some work plan items from the.

Z

Environmental advisory committee uh with me today is brenda denny. Our special projects coordinator.

Z

And craig posca, who is our chair of the eac, so they will lead you through discussion of these.

Z

Items, okay, good morning to you both thank you good morning, I'm going to turn it right over.

AA

To craig, because chris always says what I was going to say so right, quick good morning, okay.

AB

Okay, uh good morning, commissioners, it's and as part of introducing you can you just.

F

If anybody's, watching and plus for us, how long have you been in this position and uh yeah, I.

F

Know in this position um hard questions uh as as chairman just a year. Actually, I started in january.

AB

And when we met in january to go over yes, you know the the work plan for for 2023. That was my first.

AB

Year, uh frank, but you've been on the committee. I had been yeah. I served as a vice chair for.

AB

A couple of years, and thanks a few years before that is just a member- this is craig's second term.

G

Awesome well, thank you for serving yes, my pleasure. uh So when we met in in january, we discussed.

AB

um Our plans for the year and our projects and uh two of the main projects that we were going to do.

AB

Is um is updating the county's environmental stewardship booklet, which I think you all were.

AB

Given up, we were yep and the second item was um the yes, the outreach brochure on invasive.

AB

Species right so both of these uh projects have been completed and I'm here today to kind of go.

AB

Over briefly, you know what they are and answer any questions, if you haven't so every other year,.

AB

The eac updates this environmental stewardship booklet um and this it's a thorough overview.

AB

Of the county's ongoing efforts to protect and conserve our natural resources, uh miss.

AB

Brenda here did a masterful job of reworking it um graphically on making it very appealing.

AB

Somehow she managed to put more information in this and cut it down four pages from 24 to 20.

AB

Some so, of course it outlines. I don't know if you've gotten a chance to you know thumb through.

AB

It at all um so I'll just highlight a few things: uh hi, it uh outlines the board's environmental.

AB

Principles and it emphasizes really the county's uh holistic approach to environmental stewardship.

AB

um And and incorporating those principles in in the master plan, as well as codes and and programs.

AB

um So it's a it's a nice breakdown of the county's efforts at uh such things as land conservation ag.

AB

Preservation uh protecting water quality, uh soil conservation and natural resources. It highlights.

AB

uh Such things as uh for soil conservation, the best management program, best management practices.

AB

Program in which there's 130 conservation projects at the carroll county farmers have initiated.

AB

All right to control soil erosion improve water quality. It outlines.

AB

The county's preservation of open spaces through its robust park programs.

AB

uh The county has some strong environmental codes that are also highlighted in the book.

AB

uh Those codes affect forest conservation, water resource management and storm water management.

AB

And storm water management is a big issue and a big thing that the county's trying to tackle.

AB

With uh which includes like restoring 2300 acres of impervious surface and efforts to.

AB

Retrofit many of the stormwater retention areas, management facilities right, the booklet also.

AB

Highlights the municipal separate storm sewer system permit, which you might be familiar with.

AB

At ms4 kind of explains that and the uh ways that the county tries to reach out to residents so.

AB

That they can participate and do their share with that. uh It notes the county, silver, designation and.

AB

The sole smart, solar smart program, which makes it easy for county residents to install solar.

AB

uh Just briefly, the other, uh some of the other topics and highlights uh in the booklet, include.

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um This dream buffer initiative, uh replacing old septic units with the.

AB

Best available technology, renewable energy, solid waste and recycling.

AB

um Touches on the monocacy river board and other environmental awards and recognitions.

AB

And and many of the partnerships that the county participates in to address some of the issues.

AB

So some a lot of what this is too is updating numbers, as well as some trimming here and.

AB

Additions yeah, for instance, the county, has a goal of putting a hundred thousand acres.

AB

Into the agricultural land preservation program, so that number grew and it's up to close to 78.

AB

000 acres this year, so as a public outreach piece, this environmental stewardship booklet.

AB

It's posted online, uh it's distributed by emails and links uh it's available at public schools and.

AB

The libraries and it's also provided to the county, the state legislatures from the county, um so that.

AB

They can use it if pieces of legislation come through to affect them. That's going to affect.

AB

The county environmental ways is there any other avenues like this gets disseminated. We have an.

AA

Extensive distribution list, some of it's in hard copies. Some of it's like a link to our post online.

AA

As as craig mentioned, we send copies to the delegation each time that we update it and.

AA

um And so that they can use it as a resource, and so when this was first.

AA

Done in 2014 at that time the board requested it be done because sometimes carroll county had.

AA

um An image from outsiders that we weren't doing as much as we really were doing- and this was a.

AA

Great way to show all the great things that we really are doing to promote environmental.

AA

Stewardship and while many of the things in there are required and mandates, you know we do them well,.

AA

And maybe better than some others when you compare them on certain things, so you know this is a great.

AA

Resource and it really helps to show people what we're doing as well as, like. I said it's great for.

AA

The delegation to use it when certain legislation might be proposed, so um that's you know the main.

AA

The main impetus why it was done and why we keep updating it, but it's an important resource piece.

AA

For other outside groups, besides just you know us, and so it is it's distributed like I said through.

AA

All the county departments craig mentioned the library, the school system, the delegation.

AA

The towns, certain businesses, so we cover as much as we could have thought of. I think sharing it.

A

With the delegation is great, I think sharing it with the delegation, maybe twice during their.

A

Time like once before, they go into session and then once when they're a month or so in session,.

A

um Because, like anything else, it becomes very difficult to comprehend and and.

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Grab onto information as information gets flooded into them, as well as it does to us.

A

um So, just because it said once doesn't mean it's delivered the way you want to be delivered.

A

The other is the um uh federal uh delegation, um you know we, they have a very strong outreach and.

A

They're very proud of their outreach into carroll county we've become very close with them. uh You.

A

Know from senator carter and van hollen's office to congressman ruppersberger and um who else.

A

Rupert rays are another, I think he's. Is he the only one since carol? Now? I don't know okay, but.

A

He has, you know again outreach and they're always asking what else is carroll county doing. So, let's.

A

You know share this great news. You know this is really good stuff. So thanks we'll be happy to add.

AA

Them to our list- all I can do is offer compliments about this. I mean these are beautifully. These are.

G

Beautifully done, they are visually appealing, they provide adequate information and you can I mean.

G

Just looking at this, you can tell the amount of work that goes into this, and so I can't thank you.

G

Enough for that yeah good job, very good job yeah, I think when you read it, you really um and you.

AB

Read through the whole thing, one there's certain themes that go through it is is protecting water.

AB

Quality, uh protecting open spaces and ag land, and they kind of you see that through each of the.

AB

You know, programs and and codes, and all this it's those themes and, and also the uh just.

AB

When you read through it, it kind of strikes it as just how much uh is involved in protecting.

AB

The environment and how much we do absolutely it's kind of like wow. I like the way it's broken.

A

Down where it's not a dissertation but you're you're, breaking it down into a few paragraphs.

A

You can move on to another topic and go back to something so really well uh thought out laid out.

A

um You know uh products so thanks again, speaking of breaking it down, you should have also gotten.

AA

The quick reference- because there is a lot of information there, so we tried to pull out some.

AA

Key information and just put it in a short version as well yep, that's also will be posted online. I.

A

Met a woman yesterday at the expo senior expo, she was in charge of the land or the ag preservation.

A

In 1984, I think here really, I can't remember her name: marlene conway, who marlene conway.

A

Maybe ask chris weinbrenner, I was sitting with chris and she came over and we talked and she said.

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She was like from 1984, I was like wow, I said, we've come a long ways and I kind of gave an update and.

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She was very appreciative, but you know having a goal such a lofty goal. That's now, 43 years old and.

A

We're moving in the right direction. You know she was very obviously proud to be in carroll county.

A

In yeah, so it may have been her, but chris I'll put it on her to yeah. Tell you if it's true or.

A

Not so any uh any other information or comments, or thank you very much to you and all and the.

D

Entire committee yeah council appreciate it very much before we leave two quick plugs. One is that.

Z

um If, if all of you are um on facebook, uh you may be aware we have a carol environment, facebook, page.

Z

And we just surpassed 500 uh followers on that so and this information will be conveyed that.

Z

Way if you're not, then, hopefully you join and keep bumping those those follower numbers. One.

Z

Of them, I know that excellent good and I just followed it perfect, we're up to 502, then the.

Z

um The other thing to note is we will have the second annual environmental symposium coming up.

Z

In october, um the date just went right out of my head october, 28th 28th. There we go.

Z

um That will be at the ag center, it's a saturday from 9 to 12, and the purpose of that symposium.

Z

Is to bring together community groups that all do um the outreach and and work with.

Z

Citizens to do things like stream, cleanups and and pick up trash and things like that.

Z

And we also have, um I believe, the army corps of engineers is coming out to to join us.

Z

um And and various other environmental groups hand in hand with that, we have a competition.

Z

uh For high school students, it's a recycled art competition and we're looking forward.

Z

To seeing what kind of exhibits we have there, but we'll certainly bring more information to.

Z

You as we get closer to the event and oh I'm and I know I'm very remiss in not mentioning.

AB

Should I we'll come back to the invasive species, but he's going to finish that play so one of the.

AB

Other things that we're not the invasive species thing we also sent to you right, but um other.

AB

Thing that's left on our to-do list. You know this year is the environmental action awards, which we.

AB

Also do every other year and the um deadline for submitting applications or nominations for that.

AB

Is the end of this month? So there's still time available, we have three categories that those are.

AB

In uh positive practices, student engagement and educational outreach so this year we're going to.

AB

Be presenting those awards at this environmental symposium right, we have in the past done it.

AB

um On related to earth day, yeah right we're in the weather's kind of hit and miss right, yeah.

A

We used to do it by the lake. Yes, yes, very, very windy day. It was not a fun one. So yes,.

B

So uh you know after we get the applications in um and that closes we'll decide on some winners.

AB

The board will vote on that and we'll make that presentation at the symposium. uh This.

AB

Is also uh which is now last year, it was at the community college. This year was going to be at.

AB

The ag center right, we had a good turnout last year, expect a little more this year.

AB

Also, maybe be a wider audience for the presentation of the awards.

AB

And I want to note that the associate your scholarship money associated that's what I was.

AA

Just going to say the student, the student category has a really great award, so we need nominations.

AA

Right because the thousand dollar scholarship for the winner, which was donated by a local business,.

AA

And a 500 scholarship for the second place, also donated by a local business um and the first one.

AA

Is spot on engineering, the donating the thousand and um atlantic blue water is donating. The 500.

AA

So that's a great opportunity for students to you know, submit something and possibly get that.

A

They've been doing that for a while, so we're very proud partnership with both yes, so we're hoping.

AB

To get some of the student nominations in that the school system really just started again. Last.

AB

Week or so once they get up and running right, you know, okay, we get something in what else uh so I'll.

AB

Go back then to the invasive plants and noxious weeds. uh Just a little uh quick public outreach.

AB

um Piece that we did um it, uh let's say it talks about why it's important to address this issue.

AB

It's a growing issue: how residents can recognize uh invasives and help control them uh control the.

AB

Spread invasives and noxious um noxious weeds that push out native plants change the biodiversity of.

AB

Ecosystems here- and they certainly have a dramatic impact on on farming and agriculture, expensive.

AB

um Clogged waterways- and they changed chemical composition of soils right. So this we.

AB

I included some just a few examples here. Obviously we can't you know space limitations, but it's.

AB

Really about calling awareness to it and certainly there's additional resources that people can link.

AB

To if they have particular questions and and problems with particular uh plants and stuff.

AB

um And it's it's targeted to residents and homeowners, but if you think about it, it.

AB

Really they have a tremendous impact on the on farming, since this county is so reliant and and.

AB

Still has a lot of wonderful farms and houses and residents live right next to those farms.

AB

It's really important for residents to try to keep these things in check before they spread.

AB

There it's also going to be available at the libraries and online and links.

AB

And when we're at the symposium at the end of the month, we'll have a table.

AB

Spread out with the booklets and and some of the other, uh you know projects that we've done in the.

AB

Past, like the litter, literalist guide and such and when and where is that again, the symposium.

G

When and where is that october 28th at the ag center from 9 to 12.,.

AA

We generally like to have any commissioners who are available and can make it help present help.

AA

The environmental advisory council to present those awards, because it is something we want to.

AA

Make sure that those people who get the awards are well recognized, absolutely well didn't he.

AB

um I think the winners for the um creating the projects for motorcycle products- they were.

AB

Displayed downstairs yes, last year yeah we had a couple of you remember. You may remember from.

Z

When you first started the giant cardboard night, that was one of the winners of the um of last.

Z

Year's competition and to bring more marketing awareness to the the program and so on and.

Z

The efforts that the students put into the work we've made a couple of those for a month or so so.

H

Regarding those scholarships, where can that information be found online for any students that.

H

Are interested in that it's on the environment, al website, which is carrollcountymd.gov backslash.

AA

Eac very simple, and then you just go to the awards. Tab on that page. Thank you.

A

Okay, any other comments, discussion, questions.

A

I just thank you again. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for appreciate.

AB

Having us and letting us update you and we'll see you in january, yeah.

AB

Right there you go. Thank you all have a wonderful day. Okay, um chris is there anyone on the line.

B

Yes, sir chris, I think he said no, he said no okay,.

A

Any public open admin comments we want to make yeah I'd like to make one um more brief comment.

F

um Early on in the meeting, I talked about the four guys up here, I'm working with, but I I just wanna.

F

Say again, hopefully not for the first time the staff, the people in this building, the the other.

F

The the sheriff and the state's attorneys and the libraries et cetera, et cetera the people.

F

Not in this building, uh it's just it's such a hard-working group of people and they're the.

F

Ones that get the things done, we we sit here and look at stuff and hopefully help with problems not.

F

Cause them but uh they're the ones that are doing all the work, and I just I just don't think we can.

F

Tell them enough that we appreciate them absolutely agreed. I mean a long ways that goes.

B

A long way, senior expos a great example: yes, no, not just uh the leadership that put together, but the.

A

The public works that was out there yep, you know with traffic the sheriff's department that was out.

A

There supporting the health department that was out there supporting it, was a true team effort and.

A

uh You know same thing with our 911 ceremony, all those engaged and involved. So I definitely agree.

A

And if I you know, could have a magic wand and you know double everybody's dollars and everything we.

A

Would but we're not there quite yet me having that magic wand, maybe, but uh um so you're right. Thank.

A

You goes a long ways and I agree um any other uh open admin comments. Robert, do you have anything.

A

Tim anything for the group. Okay um made a mistake, I did say we're going into clothes.

A

We're not going to close, I need approval from our closed session on september, 7th.

A

uh Where we were enclosed for uh land acquisition, so please take a look.

A

A

Need a motion, a second to approve motion to approve. Second, okay, I got a motion. I got a.

A

Second, to approve the land acquisition minutes from enclosed in september, 7th.

A

And discussion senior none all in favor, aye, all right. Okay, miss wanda want to come on up.

A

Let's talk about hello wanda good morning, monday september 18th. We have nothing scheduled.

A

Tuesday september 19th, I will be enjoying listening to commissioner kyler's comments as he.

A

Shares to the chamber of commerce breakfast, I think commissioner vigliality is currently.

F

Writing me some good comments. I don't think you'll be able to pronounce the word two rights so yeah.

A

You're true go for it I'll do hooked on phonics I'll break him down into into the syllables. Oh, my.

J

That may be a little age discrimination I don't know, and then planning and zoning commission.

A

Commissioner, gordon will be participating and then veterans advisory meeting that afternoon.

A

With commissioner gordon kyler attending on wednesday september 20th, the carroll community.

A

College board of trustees meeting commissioner kyler at 5 pm you're gonna, have to let me know.

G

If they miss me, no, no, I I've got it covered, but thank you, mr gordon, have both covered me.

A

Emergency service advisory council meeting at 7 pm, commissioner karen, will be attending.

A

Excuse me, on thursday september 21st we go into open session. Let's just say nine ish.

A

But uh schedule for 9 a.m. uh We will have a farm museum. Is this? What is this farm museum.

A

um Is it an update, or so how about the maintenance building the outfit and the maintenance building.

A

Oh, that's what that is. Okay, so we'll have a commissioner, gordon yeah. I think you did you skip.

B

Read that or did I reset that you were going to attend a heart attack? We skipped that, but.

A

Oh, I apologize. Oh, I didn't see it up there at 8 50 that morning, heart of civil war heritage.

A

Tour carroll county up in westminster here in westminster, commissioner and corner, will.

A

Be attending thanks, so you will not be in open session I'll, be here briefly at the very beginning,.

A

The uh okay, so the ford museum is in reference to the maintenance building facility.

A

um Discussion possible decision made there um then grant approval to submit to fy25 child support.

A

Administration, cooperative reimbursement agreement and then accept the award and that's from judge.

A

Hecker over at the circuit court uh grant approval to submit application acceptance of the fy24.

A

Violence against women act uh grant and that will be from our state's attorney's office. Excuse me.

A

Grant approval to submit application acceptance at award fy 24 child support enforcement agreement from our sheriff's department.

A

Grant approval of matching funds for fy24 overtime grants from our sheriff's department and contract.

A

Awards on-site pfas testing at the public safety training center and that will be done by our land.

A

Resource management and team, along with dpw um discussion of two legislative initiatives.

A

um My miss hobbs bear comptroller's office yeah doing what are the initiatives? The.

B

um Change of the procurement limit and then the other one we um about the permits and and.

B

Personal property tax, okay, so yeah, let's just put it on there, so people will have it honey.

A

Notes, okay and then on nothing, I guess on friday or saturday, so I apologize friday.

A

Nothing saturday there's a ribbon. Cutting commissioner kyler we'll be attending the.

A

Maryland print house business parkway I'll, be at that also wanda. Along with me, commissioner, gordon.

A

And then, commissioner kyler has the podcast at 6 pm on the 24th. There's a gold store family.

A

Day, bridging life over to bridging life, hospice westminster, commissioner gordon, will be attending.

A

uh 6 00 p.m as well. The mount airy volunteer fire company appreciation dinner at the reception hall.

A

Mount airy, commissioner: karen, will be attending monday 25th. Nothing scheduled.

A

The 26th I will be participating in the governor's workforce development board quarterly meeting I'll.

A

Be doing that virtually nothing scheduled on wednesday 27th 28th week going to open.

A

A

Briefing discussion decision approval to participate in the state program on a mouth.

A

Land preservation program and there's a whole list of them, uh william costume robin costume.

A

Property, benjamin gladys rock property, william kirk, sheely property, richard delilah, weaver, oh.

A

Lila: property stanley, pennington property, nicholas brittany, osborne property, brandon and katie hasha.

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Heiser kaiser property, alyssa, jacobson property: uh let's see clarification to definition of chapter.

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158 regarding drug treatment facilities, it's a public hearing, public public hearing. Thank you.

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West, until really interrupted by a sneeze now I'm kidding westminster.

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Area sidewalk improvements will be discussed.

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um Is that part of the safe? uh What's the state program safe routes to school? Is that part of.

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That I'm not sure I really don't know, I'm sorry. I haven't I'm not not that actually aware of that.

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Be curious if it is.

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Could be okay and then at 5 30 p.m. We have a carroll county, realtors installation of.

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Officers and directors, commissioner kyler will be attending at the bowling brook mansion in keymor.

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Nothing scheduled for friday or saturday and commissioner gordon has the podcast.

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That I do wanda.

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Okay, any other excuse me comments, discussions.

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I need a motion to not close to uh adjourn. That's the word. I haven't done it in a while.

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Emotionally, we haven't adjourned like from opening quite some time motion to.

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His yard second, I got a motion a second to adjourn for the day, all in favor aye foreign.