Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 22 Sep 2022

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Okay, good morning, uh commissioner, ed roth, seen september 22nd, we have.

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I think just open session for this morning, but a lot of items. So let's get right to.

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It, let's start with the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence,.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, thank you. Let's start with.

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Prior to carroll, commissioner frazier, what's on your mind, so much.

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Don't overload us uh last night we had a walk in the park at veterans memorial park. Commissioner.

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Boucher- and I were there actually was a pretty good turnout, while we were there for the ribbon.

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Cutting for the park it's the first time I've actually gone around the entire park. It's very.

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Very nice- and I was actually impressed how quiet everything was around here: real real nice park.

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um This past weekend was the maryland wine festival at the carroll county fire museum.

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I have to say I don't know the numbers I was there, it seemed to be packed, it seemed.

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To have more people there than I can remember in the past couple years, of course, with kobe and everything else, but it was an awful lot of people there. One really great day, really great.

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Day today is also the first day of fall. Hopefully, temperatures start dropping down a little bit.

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No a little bit the 60s are good for me and I also want to say: I've noticed a lot more bikes.

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On the roads, because I'm riding my bike a bit more and a lot more e-bikes and actually most of.

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The places I go to now to hook my bike up, there's always another bike there. Where that wasn't the.

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Way before, but with that people that are driving cars have to be aware that the bikes are on the.

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Road and when the bike takes the lane, you treat them just like a car. When I come down main street.

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I can actually keep up with the traffic, but I still get people to tell me get on the sidewalk.

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Get out of the way, what are you doing I'm supposed to be on the street? I'm fine here and I love it.

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When I'm going down the hill on uniontown road, I noticed feeling something only 25, I'm going.

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Like 30, something going down until because it's I'm drifting downhill, don't take me on that, but.

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Going down the hill cars go past, go oh outside a double yellow line to pass me to go down here.

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And then we both stop at the stoplight at the bottom. I know it's a bike, but you gotta treat.

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Me, like I'm a car in there and plus, let's face the facts: if something happens, my bike gets hit.

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Or something I'm going to suffer, the car is not going to suffer that much. I am be very careful, be.

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Aware of the bike riders out there, that's all I'm saying and that's all I have for today thanks okay.

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Commissioner, lance good morning so to tech good morning so to tag along on that uh had a tragic.

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Incident in my district last week and we need to keep our thoughts and prayers and concerns to the.

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Detriment, family uh who- and that was a- I believe she was jogging or walking- or up on trevanian and.

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um You know it's it's, it's not just the bicycles, but you know it's the it's our joggers. It's all.

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Those that are utilizing our roadways- uh you know it's just important to be mindful, especially now.

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With the days getting shorter, uh sadly we're down to you know an equal day and night. So.

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Anyway, uh that's my public, that's usually at the end of my priority carol, but it's at the.

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Beginning so just be mindful of that and pass it along to everybody. Slowing down is a great idea.

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uh Busy week uh I want to thank the carroll county public library on monday they had their.

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I think that was their 10th or 11th day for book lovers. They had three authors uh in the county.

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uh Incredibly well attended and uh that's always uh in a wonderful event, um there's the crowd so.

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um The library and um the specific shout out uh to the store in your district, a likely story in.

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Sykesville, who sponsors most of these under the umbrella of carroll, county public library, so kudos.

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To them and again it you know, our library system is one of the best, if not the best, uh in the state.

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And uh in the region, so thank you. For a great day uh there uh very long planning and zoning meeting.

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um Tuesday, I was an all-dayer, a lot of things that are going to be coming to us, so um we there.

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Were a lot of a lot of cases to discuss as well, but again I remind folks that our you know our.

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Boards and commissions do a lot of awesome work here in the county and we can't forget.

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um What what they accomplished? As a matter of fact, we have two public hearings today, as a result of.

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Some of the things that they have accomplished so one at nine and then again at 7 p.m. This evening.

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uh Carroll community college uh attended their board meeting last evening. They went over their.

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Strategic plan and also went over some of the audit materials that they are working on.

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It for a college means you know what type of students are attending there. uh The course.

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Content and various well not various a multitude of other areas in an audit. So a very long meeting.

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Last night that jammed me up and I didn't get to esac so apologies to my colleagues.

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That's one of my responsibilities as well: we'll get a report from director robinson on that, but.

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I'm not sure what occurred there last night so uh fall. Fest is tonight downtown westminster.

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That that starts at seven o'clock and the parade will begin led by the award-winning.

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Westminster municipal van anything, the world famous, nothing got nothing got nothing. Okay,.

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Fine, that's it! That's all! I got okay, glad you're missing fall. Fest did you want to say something.

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More about fall fest! No! I just forgot to mention that, but I'm glad commissioner west brought it up.

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Thank you. Are you sure, okay, commissioner weaver uh well, first of all, um yeah fall. Fest does start.

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And that's a good event here to pray tonight, but uh wine festival. I think saturday had 6.

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000 people there and uh I just uh I watched the sheriff's deputies around there. They were very.

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Subdued they didn't have much to do it wasn't I don't think an event happened that they had.

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To do anything so that that's a good thing um I in just along those lines, uh corporal fitzgerald.

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Just retired here and we had a long eight-year history, uh whether it was from honor guard at.

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uh Dealing with the placing the breeze in december, it reads across america whether uh he was standing.

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There in snow driving rain, 20 degree weather we both froze to death many times together on.

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That and we also participated with shop with a cop in uh corporal fitzgerald, and I had a.

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Four-Year-Old and it took us forever to keep on track in a store there, but a really good guy and.

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uh I just saw the number of people who showed up for his retirement. It says a lot about it.

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And also we had kim frock retire yesterday or her retirement party and another long.

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Employee for a long time here in carroll county that sorry to leave, but both of them, we wish.

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Them the best the veterans council met tuesday and one of the things I know we're looking at.

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They have a lot of activities coming up for a veterans day november, the 11th there's a host.

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Of activities happening in the county and one of the biggest- I guess things happened here- was.

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We had people from the senator cardin and van hollen's office talking to about federal grants.

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And things to a lot of our non-profits, our american legions, our vfws and things, and how.

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To access those and get into the program, so it was a good meeting. I was really impressed with.

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That, but here again november 11th coming up for uh veterans day and guys you mentioned pedestrians.

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Bicycles, but also motorcycles on the road. I did get a chance to see one the other day south of.

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Hampstead the motorcycle was in two pieces. I think it happened in baltimore county but hit a.

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Truck and the thing was broken into the drivers in shocked genre, but uh we forget about motorcycles.

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We forget about all these other things on the roads and it's that time of year everybody it's.

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A little cooler everybody's out farm equipment on the road and drivers do not want to slow down for.

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Any of it, whether it's pedestrian or anything so just be careful out there. Thank you. Okay, thanks.

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Commissioner boucher thank you yeah back to the walk in the park which I enjoyed, commissioner,.

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Frazier, there's no reason why any of our citizens should be out on those dangerous roads, walking.

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When we have such a tremendous amount of park assets to walk on the next walk in the park,.

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Will be a halloween theme, I'm really looking forward to this. We have such wonderful partners.

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With the partnership for a healthier carroll county, the next walk will be october. 18Th at 2.

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P.M: at leicester park up in hampstead they're going to do a story stroll you can bring kids.

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Out they'll have fun games, costumes, people would all dress up and walk in the park as uh whatever.

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Character, you want to be I'm going to dress up and I promise I won't show up as chippy to chipmunk.

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You're going to be a character, yeah I'll, be a character all right, yeah there you go. This is.

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This is going to be such a wonderful event and I can't praise these individuals at lifebridge.

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Partnership enough for what they've put on making the public aware of the parks available.

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For walking to get our citizens off the roads, I also want to mention that up in my district.

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At the shepherd's mill, oh well, let me cover this. I did a tour of our parking lot, which sounds odd.

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But air parking lot is deteriorating and so often we ride over and we don't know what's underneath.

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Of us it's cracking up and starting to cave in, we have antiquated drain systems, so I did toward.

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These two gentlemen, thad highlander and justin mcdonald, to go over what we're going to be doing.

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To upgrade our parking area, which includes the detention center, so we got workout coordination.

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And we'll be doing in phases and all the county employees will be notified when that phase.

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Comes into place and we'll have to shift their parking ramps or be prepared for that forthcoming.

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I also want to mention that up in my district shepherd's mill, road bridge is going to be closed.

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Starting october 3rd now this bridge closure should last potentially for up to a year. So anyone.

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Out there in a union bridge in new windsor area, please be aware of this and there'll be notices.

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Sent out in some diverted traffic patterns and very sorry for the inconvenience. But it's.

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Imperative that we fix bridges that are failing, because the last thing we want is a collapse and.

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Injury, it is the fall halloween season. There's a lot lots of stuff going on the county that people.

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Can enjoy their families? We had the tontitown harvest festival this saturday from 11 till 3 p.m.

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And that'll be at the memorial park, get a chance. Take your family out for that. Also this saturday.

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In mount airy, they will be having our oktoberfest from 11 to 6 p.m, down on main street, that's a.

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Wonderful event, as well and very quickly, I want to list some of the events going on for the volunteer.

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Fire departments, it is imperative that we support our volunteer fire departments and do a lot of.

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Fundraisers a run down a couple: winfield fire department will do a spaghetti dinner on the 21st.

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uh Pleasant valley, fire company will do their bull roasts and henry firearms event on the 24th.

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As well, reese fire department will do their bingo fall banquet on the 24th hampstead volunteer fire.

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Department is doing a comedy show as commissioner dick weaver don't be the speaker guest here for.

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That I don't know that'll be at the manchester volunteer fire department activities building on.

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October 1st winfield fire department will have their sportsman bingo on october, 1st mount airy.

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Volunteer fire department due to open house for fire prevention. If you have children, take your.

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Children, these fire prevention programs, so often incense happened just out of sheer ignorance, so.

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It's important: we provide public awareness and with the halloween theme we have lineborough.

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Bedlam and the borough on starting october, 7th to the 29th 7 p.m, to 10 p.m. On friday and saturday,.

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Evening sykesville volunteer fire department will do their big money raffle on the 8th of october.

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Hampstead volunteer fire department will have a chicken dinner and pit beef drive on the.

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8Th of october, so you get a chance, go out and patronize these fire departments help support.

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Them they need all the love they can get. A lot of them took a big hit during the covid policies.

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They were not able to generate as much money so show your firemen, your love. Thank you very much.

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Okay, thank you. um A few things just want to share prairie carroll gives us an opportunity.

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To also share, what's on our mind and then also things that are happening in the community.

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uh One of the things that's on my mind is a few years back. I uh was on a mission trip into.

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Puerto rico into the southern part in ponce ponce received 32 plus inches of rain in 24 hours. Just.

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A few days ago, most of the island is um without power and water um running water, and I personally.

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Have friends down there? So if you know folks down there, I know there's lots of ways to donate, but.

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um They're going through a horrific time, you know right now, so fortunately that hurricane.

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Looks like it moved east northeast, but it slammed puerto rico, pretty bad.

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um Town hall I had on tuesday morning and then the evening very good input from the community.

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A lot of sharing of ideas uh challenging times you know, especially when we start talking about.

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Redistricting or we talk about residential growth, um we talk about zoning lots of things. Fortunately,.

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I had the leadership of the schools with us with superintendent cindy mccabe um to answer some of.

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The tough questions and kind of break down some of the perceptions that are out there.

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um And there's john o'neill again: he he did a great job so uh continue to do the town hall.

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Since one of those things you don't just give the kind of icing on the cake, you give it all whether.

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It's good, bad or ugly. Our community needs and deserves to hear all of it and then what we're.

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Doing about the different activities, that's on their minds, tate, explaining uh the the uh gray.

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Areas of impact fees is what he was doing, which is a very tough topic to discuss. Sometimes.

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Let's see you mentioned veterans just always highlighting you know we're going to get a.

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Veteran center and we're going to break ground next year in uh sykesville, that's going to be.

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165 to 200 million dollar project here in carroll county to take care of our veterans. What's really.

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Cool about that and they've heard me say it before: 35 percent estate funded 65 percent.

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Is federally funded zero percent bill the needs of that veteran center? That's pretty cool stuff.

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um And uh got confirmation from the state on the a e and um when they believe they're going to be.

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Breaking grounds and to ribbon cutting, did you want to add just a number of nurses going to be.

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Needed is a tremendous and they're trying to get the information to the public schools now and to.

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The community college- I think it's 150 nurses or positions- will be needed for that in just a couple.

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Years they need to start prepping for that now and before we just get started for those that are.

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Celebrating wishing everybody a happy new year, uh let's not for rosh hashanah going into high.

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Holidays, starting on sunday into a monday, and with that, why don't we start with item number one and.

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The sheriff's department, with the acceptance of the fy 23 police retention and recruitment, grant.

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Good morning so this morning, we're here for another grant approval award the carroll county.

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Sheriff's office was awarded an fy 23 police retention and recruitment grant to assist with.

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Hiring and staffing retention efforts for the law enforcement personnel, some of the initiatives that.

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Will be funded with the grant, include advertising and marketing for billboards, social media, zip.

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Recruiter all that kind of outreach, so I'm creating a recruitment, video referral bonuses.

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And looking on the health and wellness side trying to help with some of the other initiatives that.

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We're faced with are looking to get some trial gym memberships out. There is no county match required.

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We did request a list of things. These are the items that were approved for a total of 63 500.

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The grants effective for this current fiscal year, so no additional funding is required and I wanted.

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To first of all, see if you had any questions and we've been before you here the last month.

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With multiple grants, they're all sort of related- this was a grant that was offered. It's normally.

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Not offered, but in some of the legislative issues, some of the bills that are coming through they're.

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They're offering these grants to assist with law enforcement around the state current conditions.

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Things like that, so I like the county match well county match is awesome. It's always good.

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Always the concern with grants like this is the continuation and expectations of our correct. The.

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Services being provided by this grant, if we don't get the grant next year, the expectations are that.

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There still be all of these activities for one time so most of the things we do through these.

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Grants are one time that we planned throughout this year this year and that we look to yes, if.

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The grant were to come back up. We may ask for some similar things or some different things.

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The memberships are trial, so, whether the different around the county, since we have deputies that live.

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All over the place looking to go into different locations to get them a start. So if there's a fee.

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If we can negotiate some things to help it's more of opportunities, getting people into different.

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Places it's looking to have all different types of opportunities to help with retention and.

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Recruitment in today's, in the time frame today, you have to attack both. I think you all are well aware.

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It's not just us that is suffering from hiring, but you have you can't just focus on retention.

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You can't just focus on recruiting and hiring. You have to do that in balance. So some of this is to.

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Look at what do we do for our existing employees to keep them engaged also to assist with some of.

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The other legislation that is coming down for law enforcement- that's required, but most of this is.

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One time so we actually for the marketing we create marketing plans, timing, everything with.

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Our academy and our recruiting windows so that we have a lot more information out we're competing.

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With everyone for the same employees, so most of this is a one-time and then we develop other.

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Plans and work with budget every year to see what we can do. Okay, well, you said most of us one time.

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And on here said some of the initiatives. What is not one time is going to be funded by this.

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Actually, all of it is one time what I mean by most of it, the advertising and marketing we're always.

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Doing something this gave us an opportunity to spend more money, so there's no ongoing expectancy.

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From this from the grant moving forward, these are all planned up through next year. Okay, just.

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The way you said most of it, I'm thinking, okay, what is it? I guess, because we're always working on this.

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With funding that we have out of our budget, is it calculated by the population of the sheriff's.

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Department, I mean, do other jurisdictions, have they received this or how so, when they put in when they.

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Now you don't really tell you exactly how they rate everything. This was kind of a new opportunity.

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So they asked for different categories, whether you're doing retention or recruitment or like.

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The all these pieces, so we went through to look to see what could we use, and so we actually do a.

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Lot of work on getting quotes, seeing what things will cost right? Can we get it done in the time.

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Frame of the grant etc, is there value to what we can do and can we actually implement it so.

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It's more of that, so we we put in other things and they decide yes or no. They kind of went by.

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Category this time and each item, I've never really seen them pick and choose like that before, but.

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This was a new initiative for them and I think it was more of a one-time realizing. What's going on.

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Out in the community and in our state trying to hire and retain law enforcement.

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So I think it was an initiative to to help law enforcement get through that.

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Yeah with that I'll make the motion that the board of commissioners accept the fy 23 police retention.

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And recruitment grant second got a motion. Second, any further discussion seen here: none all in favor.

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All right: okay, okay, thanks! Thank you for putting so much thought in it. Okay, let's go to a public.

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Hearing on the comprehensive rezoning agricultural and conservation zoning districts text, amendments.

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Jim, do you want to lead this or she has a lady? I have a presentation before the.

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Public hearings, a short one, I promise I promise.

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Okay, what is that a mouse there? We go: okay, all right so good morning. We are here today um to have.

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A public hearing on the modifications to chapters 155 and 158 as they relate to the agricultural and.

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Conservation, zoning districts and with me today I have mary lane, planning manager and price wagner.

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Who's one of the lead staff on developing the amendments that are before you today.

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Again, the public hearing agenda would be to establish a quorum uh took over the code of.

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Public hearing conduct a brief staff presentation, a call to order and then testimony and then you.

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Will close the hearing in the back of the room are cards for those that wish are wishing to.

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Speak or give written comment, while they're here on the back table, so that way we can call.

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Anyone up in an orderly fashion, who would like to give public comment today during this hearing.

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And again, as we always do, the comment would be limited to three minutes for each person.

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That's wishing to give testimony and again this is only to pertain to modifications.

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To chapters 155 and 158 that I'll be reviewing uh in the next slides.

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So the amendments to chapter 155, which is our subdivision, has to do do with the definition.

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Modification of attached accessory dwellings, so we updated that definition also changed.

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How cluster subdivision requirements would be handled in the conservation, zoning district and.

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The restricting of agriculture remaining portions- all of this has been posted on carol rezoning.org.

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In detail and has been available to the public for several weeks now in the most recent format.

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Changes to chapter 158 are the addition modification deletion of certain definitions.

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Within the agricultural and conservation zoning districts, modifications to the general.

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Regulations of those districts, the purpose intent of the districts and changes to the.

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Regulations regarding principal and accessory uses, we had lengthy discussions about the use.

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Table and making updates to the allowable uses and conditional uses in both districts, modifications.

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To the bulk requirements, which have to do with the size, setbacks of structures and properties.

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And other various changes to the code pertaining to agriculture and conservation, zoning districts.

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I'm not going to read all of this, but specifically pertaining to chapter 158. We updated and added.

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A new definition of agritourism: this was something that the state had done in their.

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Last legislative session, so we had an agritourism definition mimic what the state regulation was.

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We changed country in uh an event facility. We deleted the definition of country in and.

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Replaced it with the banquet event facility, and this was to more accurately reflect the.

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Use primarily as a location for weddings reunions and similar celebrations before.

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This would have to be done under the country and designation and we did have a definition.

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For banquet and event facility and just to use that and its replacement of that.

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um The purposes of the districts we amended, the purpose of both the ag.

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And conservation district to reflect the future land use definitions and.

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The adopted land use plan, so the freedom plan and the carroll county master plan.

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um Daycare centers private schools and religious establishments, these uses will.

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Be allowed by conditional use in the ag and conservation district, and this has changed.

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From the current code, while there's regulations, excuse me regulation of these use. This is more.

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Restrictive as they are currently permitted by rights with that requirement for conditional use.

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So went from permitted to conditional and the minimum lot size was also changed for private.

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Schools and also has an increase to align with the public school standards, so whatever the.

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Public school standard is we're applying that same standard to private schools as well, and.

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Changed accessory dwelling units for both attached and detached accessory dwelling units will be.

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Allowed in the agricultural and conservation zoning district with certain restrictions.

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Other accessory uses we consolidate accessory uses for the two districts into one section and.

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Added new requirements for certain uses, this additional restrictions have been.

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Placed on home occupations, private stables, storage modules, lawn care and maintenance.

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Services and the production of firewood and mulch contractor equipment storage. This use.

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Both indoor and outdoor will be allowed as a conditional use in the ag district.

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With minimum acreage and separation requirements from residential properties, we see a lot of these.

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Come forward, this was something that um was a great discussion during our ad conservation work.

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Group as part of our concept team and with you the board and then finally, commercial kennels.

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This use will be allowed by conditional use in the ag and conservation districts with minimum.

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Acreage and distance and separation requirements from residential properties, and all of this is.

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Posted on our website, this exact table and the pages that are referred to in the text, amendment.

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um Finally, amendments for chapter 155 specifically pertain to cluster developments.

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Cluster development will be allowed in the conservation district, with a density based.

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On the gross area of the parcel, this is exactly what was done for the residential districts, where.

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Cluster subdivision was allowed typically, two site plans are required, one cluster and.

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One non-cluster to help get the density of the property. Instead, the decision was made.

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With that and carries forward here that these would then be based on a formula as as opposed.

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To having two separate plans, come forward to planning commission um and then also lengthy.

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Discussion on agriculture remaining portions that the development of agriculture remaining portion.

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For non-agricultural purposes would be limited to one use was the proposal that um we put that the.

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Board put forward as part of this discussion so right now, agriculture remain in portions.

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Are allowed to have multiple uses without limits that are non-agriculture related, such as schools,.

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Religious establishments contractor equipment, storage yard, assisted living facilities and and.

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Other items like that that are allowed after the residential lot rights have been subdivided off.

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So um moving forward, we have a work session scheduled with you on october 6th, at that.

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Time we will bring to you also any written comment that we have received prior to and.

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Post the public hearing, as is typically customary, you keep the record open for 10.

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Days so any other comments we received after this hearing for the next 10 days. We will.

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Have them present that to you on the sixth we've also programmed in a work session for.

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October 13th to address any other issues and then scheduling for adoption on october 20th.

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um And just to back up this public hearing was duly advertised in the carroll county.

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Times and was also posted on our website. A press release was sent out and organizations.

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Of interest were sent direct notification of this public hearing, so that is all I have for you. Okay,.

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Does the board have any questions of staff.

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No, I don't think at this time. I think we did a lot of due diligence getting to where we are.

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Today, so I appreciate that I appreciate the work you've done. I appreciate the work with colleagues.

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And I uh participating in you know those work sessions that we've had where we came up with a.

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A product and we'll just see how good that product is through some of the hearing and.

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Comments that we receive so, mr president, at this point, it's appropriate to take any any.

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Comments from the public do we have some some names county administrators? Okay, so we didn't.

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Collect cards: let's let linda collect the cards first they've. They filled them out.

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um And then also, we have to remember tim on the phone. That's right so.

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Okay, um so I'm going to go ahead and call up the first um person dan swisher, um and this will be.

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Regarding accessory dwelling amendments- and you can just stay from there, that would be easier. Okay,.

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Celebrations of these changes, amendments.

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That's going to be very helpful for us in the future. We hope it'll be able to.

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As well so again, thanks very much for.

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Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you, mr swisher. Next, charles holloman, oh chuck, holman, I'm sorry.

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My name is charles holman, I'm an attorney in westminster, lifelong carroll, county.

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Resident I'm appearing today, not representing a client, I'm affairing as a private citizen of.

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I'm also a member of the carroll county bar association's committee on land use.

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The specific items that I'd like to.

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Bring to the attention of the commissioners have to do with the amendments to section 155091.

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Section a4, which has to do with the prohibition against future subdivision of remaining portions.

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On agricultural subdivision plats that have been recorded basically since 1978.

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um There's uh there's a broad prohibition, any kind of subdivision of those parcels uh in the.

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Future for uh commercial or other uses in the agricultural zone, the implication being that the.

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Property owners over the years have already taken the benefits of subdivision of those parcels. I.

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Would point out to the commissioners that there's two aspects of the types of subdivisions that have.

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Occurred on those parcels, the first has has to do with the residential densities, which.

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Were established by very contested hearings and wranglings that went on over the years between.

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The individuals who were owners of agricultural land and and the zoning authorities- and it is.

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The residential aspect that was addressed in the agricultural subdivisions at the.

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Time those ordinances were passed and as they were amended over the years, there was always the clear.

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A clear understanding that the remainders would be allowed to have the uses that were.

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Otherwise, permitted in the ag zone the rest of the amendments to the ordinance. It would be fair to.

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Say ratchet down on the ability of landowners to get those uses that remain available. Most.

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Of them, commercial in nature, some, like churches, private schools, assisted living homes, things of.

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Those nature, those are the types of uses that in the agricultural zone, would be appropriate and it.

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Would be appropriate to allow a an owner of the agricultural known as agricultural remainder to.

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Divide the property as may be appropriate at the time if they qualify for subdivision and that's.

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The critical aspect, many of these properties, simply do not qualify for subdivision, so the.

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Broad prohibition is, is overreaching and, and it's unreasonable to say you can't you can't have more.

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Than one use on an ag remainder- and you can't subdivide the remainder, there's no indication.

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As to how this is applied to the size of the remainders for decades, people have been promised.

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That, if you cluster your residential units, you'll, have your larger remainder and your ability to to.

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Benefit from those uses, so I think the provision is clearly overreaching. Okay,.

K

Thank you glad to answer any questions not this time, but thank you, sir next is matthew. Lazuriaga.

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Thank you good morning, commissioners. My name is matt lazariaga, I'm also an attorney here in.

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Town, I'm a lifelong carroll county resident. I currently live in finksburg, but that's by way.

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Of silver run, where I grew up, where my parents still live, they own 40 acres out there and they.

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Were told in 1982 before they built their house that babylon road was going to be rerouted and.

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Paved and they're still waiting on that. So I only say that, as an anecdote to say I know.

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Things don't always move fast at the county and they don't always have to also, I don't think I've.

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Ever addressed this group in this capacity in this room, I think I've spoken with each of you.

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On at least one occasion, I've seen two of you as recently as this month before the bza, where an.

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Issue related to residential zoning modifications has recently come to a head. So with that backdrop.

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I just want to echo what mr holman said, but in a different somewhat of a different way.

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um Obviously I wasn't around in 1978, but I've got a number of clients who were I've.

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Got a number who have been landowners since then and as mr holman stated it's my understanding, I.

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Wasn't there to witness it, but each of them were effectively encouraged to when going through the.

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Subdivision process cluster, the residential lots as much as possible and maximize the remainder.

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And that would fit within the agricultural purpose of the agricultural zone and that's great. But the.

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Understanding has been for almost 40 years that that property owner would have remaining rights.

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That, yes, our subject to the agricultural zone, to its purpose, to its rubric within the code.

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But there was not going to be a limitation on the number of uses that could be there again.

L

As mr holman said so long as the subdivision is eligible, it would make sense. I think, in my.

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Opinion, I don't have to face an election and I don't have to answer emails from constituents.

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So I don't envy you in that, but in my opinion it would make sense to leave open the availability.

L

For there to be more than one use conditioned upon the size of this remainder conditioned upon.

L

The availability of subdivision process overall, I think, to just pull that out from under some.

L

Folks that have been here for a long time and I understand the the public advertisement of.

L

This there's a lot of folks out there don't pay attention to the website. There's a lot of folks.

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That don't watch these meetings. There could be a number of people who really are unaware of it. I.

L

Just think that that particular portion could use a little bit more attention. I know that the staff.

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Has been responsive to comments of mr schaefer so far that I've seen in writing so perhaps.

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There may even be a re-advertisement of this with other modifications, so with that backdrop, I will.

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Acknowledge there are uh now with mr bowersox six lawyers in this room, and that is six too many, so I.

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Will sit down unless there's any questions? No, but I appreciate that last comment. Thank you. Certainly,.

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There's: uh okay: go ahead, linda! Well, it's four out here! I was counting mr burke and miss william.

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um And the last speaker we have is kevin, beaver.

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Morning, I'm also here to talk about remainders. um I have a a having to be an owner of a 70.

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Acre remainder in district three and uh it it was purchased. As a remainder, there was some commented.

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A work session about three bites to the apple and all this. Well, our you know we bought the remainder.

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After the bites were taken by the the original farmer and all that, and we had the expectation.

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Of being able to put a residential lot and all these unlimited ag uses, which, on 70 acres, you know.

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That's that's enough space. You can put various things on there and maybe one large thing is not.

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The right thing for this lot, so I just wanted to say that by making these changes it would.

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Definitely affect the value of that property, which was valued at the time with the with the.

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In the late 80s and 90s valued with the original rules, so you really are hurting people and there.

M

Are there are 700 remainder lots out in the county about 2, 000 acres and I'm not sure.

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How many of them have representation or even know about this, because it seemed like until that last.

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Little bit came out, it was very difficult to know what was going on and even when I watched.

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A work session I was even confused. I can't be sure that the original residual lot allowance.

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The the one lot that you're allowed on every remainder is even being included or not so.

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I want to make that bring that up and make sure that that is being uh being included.

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So I'll I'm going to skip parts that the attorneys discussed. I think the.

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Clarity issues that need to be discussed is the residential lot right, make sure that's in there.

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And if you're going to differentiate between ag uses and commercial industrial, I think.

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You had to be more specific as to what they are otherwise you'll get into quite a nebulous way of.

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Figuring them out they're all kind of listed in the ag district. If you want to separate.

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Them out and say these are ag uses. These are unlimited, that's what you can do. These are the.

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Commercial industrial non-ag uses, and you want to limit them by a certain number. You know I.

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You know, maybe that's reasonable, maybe 21 every 20 acres or something makes sense for those uses.

M

But uh but but let me get to another point that I want to talk about and that's the the solar.

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On on remainders that had not been discussed, we we looked at it for this particular piece.

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And we really haven't done anything because to us the idea of then putting the entire 50. We can put.

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20 acres into solar and 50 acres would then get put into ag preservation and that just seemed a.

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Little bit too much of a burden or a cost when you think solar ag preservation is forever this solar.

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Project or anything else you'd put on that land if it wasn't a church or or a you know, kennel or.

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Something like that is going to be changed in 35 years. Solar might not be even around 35 years from.

M

Now, and to lock in that that ag preservation is a is a negative and it kind of turned us off at the.

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Time so I wanted to just think if you're looking at remainders you might want. I know you probably.

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Don't want to, but you may want to just look at the solar and and even consider you know how.

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How much land you have in the county if you're really interested in solar there's only so many.

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Parking garages- you can put it on, and things like that before some of these you know, besides.

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Remain there's other ag lab might be useful in in 20 acre parcels. To do something like that. You.

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Just may want to consider that, with the whole package of ag lad rather than just remainders,.

M

Because there's only so many okay all right! Thank you, sir. I have one more speaker, um dave bowersox,.

N

Good morning, good morning, um I'm not going to rehash what I understand has already been.

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Addressed, I will emphasize a couple of things that I've just heard. Mr beaver talk about.

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First of all, an ag remaining portion is not an ag remaining portion.

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It's not a monolithic or a a uniform kind of a parcel of land. There's all kinds of ag.

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Remainders some are wooded, some are large acres. Some are smaller. So in terms of the.

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Restriction, the proposed amendment to chapter 155., limiting ag remainders to a single use.

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Seems to be disproportionate, you have in the ordinance a number of permitted and conditional.

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Uses that you've deemed to be appropriate on the agricultural in the agricultural zone.

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What is it about an ag remainder that justifies restricting it to only one use.

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Irrespective of the amount of acreage or whether the site is appropriate for those uses which you.

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Have determined to be appropriate on that property in the ag zone, but for its its remaining portion.

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Status it, it makes no sense. It's one size fits all approach. That's designed to address a couple.

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Of problem properties is, I don't believe, a sound approach to dealing with those isolated instances.

N

As for the solar community solar operations, I think mr beaver is right. We have a similar.

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Situation to what I just alluded to some of these remaining portions, which is the only.

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Kind of property that they're eligible for as a permitted use in the ag zone.

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Some are large, as I said before, some are wooded. They have different kinds of terrain.

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Different limitations and different opportunities.

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How do we justify taking the balance of a 90 acre ag remainder.

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When you've got a, maybe 10 acre, five acre solar facility community, solar.

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Facility and compel the owner to place it in ag preservation with no compensation.

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There isn't there is no justification looking at it a little more legalistically, it's a.

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Disproportionate burden on the property to be able to implement a use that you.

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Have determined is a principal permitted use in the zone that has no bearing on the.

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Impact that that property is going to have on the public at large none.

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The comments that I heard, mr lazuryaga, making with regard to the 1977-78.

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Overhaul, if you will of the agricultural zone, I would concur with those comments.

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That has been the density that you introduced, as part of that was the one per 20 density, part of.

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The buy-in at the time was this notion that the remaining portions would be available for a use.

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Or uses as were appropriate, given the character of that property, the only discriminating point you're.

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Drawing is the characterization or classification of that property as a remaining portion.

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It has nothing to do with the property itself or its suitability for other uses.

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So that has been a foundation one of the foundational principles of the ag policy through.

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Zoning since 1977 or 78., if you are intending to upset that, I think your constituency needs.

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To know that that is what you're intending to do, because mr lazariaga said not, everyone is watching.

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These meetings, not everyone, is scouring the web or the internet. Looking for what the latest zoning.

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Amendments are that are being contemplated or coming down the play they're just not.

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So with that, I think the sun needs to shine a little bit more brightly on that idea. Lastly, I.

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Am aware uh I'll try and finish your thoughts? I am aware that mr schaefer has uh submitted.

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Some comments uh previously, I have seen them and I think their sound and I would concur with them one.

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Other point, also in the nature of a clarification, would be. There should be some allowance.

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For the establishment of a garage or some kind of storage, building related to a principal use.

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On an adjoining or confronting property, there's no allowance for it at this time and there's because.

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There's an artificial boundary: there is a boundary line between two properties being used in a single.

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Resonance character, you're limited you're, restricted from putting the accessory building.

N

On the other parts, at the point I appreciate it. Thank you. Do we have any more speakers? um Lastly,.

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Clark schaefer a day would not be complete correct. I knew you. I knew you'd be pleased.

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To see me, commissioner rothstein uh clark, schaefer lawyer in westminster, uh I'm gonna, I'm here just.

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To generally comment on the ag conservation and then I will make a comment on the solar at the end.

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um And I'll get it out, though, I do represent some solar companies and the ag preservation.

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Requirement for community solar is a deal killer in a lot of cases, so I'm going to echo those.

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Comments, I think that should be removed with regard to the remaining portion stuff. First, my.

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First comment is this: unless I missed it, I don't know that they're defined terms in 155.. They they.

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Seem to be in 158, you got to look at that because we're talking about important things. Secondly, the.

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Grand bargain made in 1978 the one per 20.. Don't worry, mr landowner, you were eligible for on your.

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Hundred acre farm, you were eligible for 80 lots, let's say, uh but we're going to pay us legislation.

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And when we sign it you're down to about one per 15., now that that was controversial, it got.

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Through and probably maybe saved the county that may be heresy, uh but the market was just starting.

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To pick up so it was a people, weren't selling, 80 lots on these farms. They weren't going to sell.

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Them but 15., but the deal was, as was pointed out to you, you get your lots. You cluster them.

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Somewhere at one acre or close to it, and then you've got this big remainder. That's going to.

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Be your farm and that remainder has to have a single family building lot right with it. We're.

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Not letting you put that down on one acre until you've got a farm, so you've got that already, but.

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Then you get all the other ag uses well. This would change that now another way to uh to express what.

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Was said by the other, speakers is the concept of investment-backed expectations and what I mean by.

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That is a lot of these remainders have trade hands for money in the in since 78 and guess what most.

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Of those people that bought them, or at least a lot of them, they knew were that they could use.

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It for more than one use that could have been and and, as you know, I think by now those remainders go.

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From five or six acres to 150 acres, I mean there's some big remainders out there, so you have to be. I.

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Think you have to be very careful with that and uh uh and I'm not seeing the public detriment.

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That is occurring under the current uh provisions. um I'm not you know, I'm not.

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Aware of any like big public harm of people over using them, I know for a fact there's that there's.

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Some churches and schools out there on subdivided remainders that are contributors to the community.

O

uh It's a good thing: they're there they have to go through site plan anyway. It's not like.

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You're you're getting freebies out there, so I urge you to consider those facts when you.

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uh As you consider this, and I'd like to give my 35 seconds to mr bowersox to come back up here,.

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Okay, I appreciate I appreciate all that have uh commented um if you noticed three minutes.

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Is a guideline um to be used, but it's very important that the community that wants to.

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Speak out is allowed to is encouraged to, and um you know it doesn't stop here. You know because.

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We still have a ways to go in the workshops and getting to comments that you provided. I I really.

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Appreciate, I believe my colleagues and I all captured them, and I know the staff did as well so.

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um Thank you to all, mr president, do we have any uh any callers on the line.

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We do not thank you.

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Okay, any other comments.

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He's a licensed, ventriloquist sure. uh Mr president, I appears the oral public comments are uh have.

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Closed for the day, I I would like a motion to uh close the public hearing and leave the record open.

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For 10 days for additional written comment, I make the motion that we closed public hearing and lead.

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The record open for wait, wait, wait! Hearing tonight, that's okay! So we do should we yeah yeah. We do 7.

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P.M, but as a matter of yeah, I was going to say so: can we should we leave it open? Okay, just a joke.

B

Then yeah, let's leave the public hearing open and told us to public hearing tonight. Second,.

H

Virtual sign up to speak, I should have known better to fight what the lawyers tell me to do.

Q

Okay, so there is no action at this point: nope, okay,.

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Can we move on and sound loud yep? Mr burke he's not listening. Okay, I appreciate that.

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Okay, I'm not leaving first, let's talk about the mountain area. Annexation number 45.

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Full property of the the full property. I apologize all right all right good morning. I.

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Have with me today, hannah weber and she's, going to be presenting to you as we always do, annexations.

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um This one is for comment and um the request of a zoning waiver so with that I'm going to.

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Have hannah weber with the planning department present to the property? Okay, guess nobody wanted.

R

To listen to annexations, you've got a handful so as linda introduced. We are here to talk about the.

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Mount airy annexation, 45 of the full property um with us. Today we have john breeding from.

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The town of mount airy, as well as clark, schaefer and ron thompson working with the property owner.

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So this is the annexation plot that was submitted to the county.

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The annexation area is approximately eight acres.

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And it is owned by buffalo road investment llc, and they are also the petitioners of this annexation.

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Here you can see more of an overview of the corporate limits of mount airy. You can see we.

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Are bordering the frederick county carroll county line and you can see the black and.

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Gold border demonstrates that we are inside the growth area, boundary of the town of mount airy.

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Zooming in a little you can see, we are adjacent to the corporate limits.

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Of mount airy, which shows that this annexation would not create an enclave.

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Here is the orthos of the annexation area. It is improved with one dwelling on the western.

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Side of the property um access to the property is from buffalo road to the north. We have a single.

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Family home to the east, we have ball fields and then to the south and to the west. Is agriculture.

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Under the county, the entire annexation area is zoned r40.

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000, the petitioner has requested to be put into the town's r2 zoning district.

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So because the r2 zoning district is 50 percent, more dense than the counties are.

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40 zoning district there has been a zoning waiver requested by the town of mount airy.

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The designated land use for the annexation area is.

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Low density residential- and this is consistent with the requested zoning.

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The designated land use was taken from the 2013 mount airy, comprehensive plan.

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For water and sewer, we are in the long range service categories for both water and sewer.

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As always, we send a transmittal out for agency comments, the department of planning the maryland.

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Department of planning has no outstanding comments at this time. The department of public works is.

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Recommending the town of mount airy, assume maintenance responsibility for the frontage.

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On buffalo road, the department of planning is recommending support of this annexation and zoning.

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Waiver giving the following recommendations: we are recommending the town go through a water and sewer.

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Amendment to place the property and the priority service categories, it's my understanding that the.

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Town is on board with this and they're actually going through a fall amendment right now for the.

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Upcoming cycle and then the other recommendation is the town, take maintenance, responsibility for.

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The road frontage as the department of public works is advising, and it's also my understanding.

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That the town is on board with this as well. So on tuesday, the planning commission met.

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And they gave this a favorable recommendation on the annexation and zoning waiver to you all.

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So, in conclusion, today we are here for an informational briefing or a decision. If.

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You're ready for that, if not, we have time reserved for next thursday for a decision on the comment.

R

Letter and the zoning waiver and then the mount airy public hearing has not yet been scheduled.

R

But all comments would be turned in before then. If I may chairman, I see that there is a board of.

F

His own appeals hearing on october 25th, how does it coincide with error movement now? Is.

F

That something that should wait until after that hearing is this in sequence properly. It would be.

R

Two separate things all right: I'm sorry that I misunderstood what I read here. My apologies.

A

Is the reason why we wouldn't make a decision on this now linda, I mean it's pretty straight.

A

Up and in concurrence and okay yeah all the outstanding comments about the road and the.

R

Water and sewer amendment were handled so there's not anything outstanding at.

R

This time, right as long as the town is on board, with those two things and yeah exactly what's.

H

Your problem with that, if mr breeding has any additional comments regarding any of those items,.

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If you want to come on up, please.

S

John breeding commissioners good morning for the town of mount airy. So currently we are waiting.

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For a recommendation to be forwarded to the town council and I suspect that the staff has.

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A favorable recommendation of this request for the waiver, any other questions, nope and you're.

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Wearing a purple uh shirt so you're yeah, okay, if I may, I was just about to vote for this too. Go ahead.

C

Someone, I don't have anything all right. If I may, I move the board approved signing forward to comment.

F

Letter, including the approval of the zoning waiver request to the town of mount airy regarding mount.

F

Airy annexation number 45 full property. Second, I got a motion. Second, any else discussion, nope.

A

Seen here, none all in favor, aye 401., thank you or 4-0. Okay. Now, let's talk about uh apologize.

A

Hampstead annexation number 44, the michaels property.

R

So we have another annexation up for discussion with us today we have jim.

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Rorke from the town of hampstead, as well as dave bowersox, who works with the property owner.

R

So here is the annexation plot that was submitted to the county. This annexation.

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Area is approximately 28 acres. The entire parcel actually extends over route 30, but.

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Only the 28 acres on the east side of route 30 is to be annexed. Orienting ourselves. We have the.

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Old north carroll high school to the north and then the elementary school to the south.

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And then we are cornered by shiloh road and panther drive.

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The layout you can see where we are in relation to the corporate limits of hampstead zooming in you.

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Can see we are adjacent to the corporate limits of hampstead, um so we would not create an enclave and.

R

Then the gold and black boundary demonstrates that we are inside the town's designated growth area.

R

Here is an aerial view of the annexation area. It is slightly improved with one.

R

Dwelling on the property, as I said, access is from shiloh road.

R

The zoning for the annexation area is our 20 000 with the county. The petitioner has.

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Requested to be put into our 10 000 with the town of hampstead, a potential developer.

R

For the lot is predicting between 40 and 45 lots be developed on this annex annexed area.

R

So, since the r 10000 zoning district is 50 percent, more dense than the r20.

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000 there has been a zoning waiver requested by the town of hampstead.

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The designated lane use for the annexed area is r10000 and r20 000, and this was.

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Taken from the 2010 hampstead community comprehensive plan that was amended in 2017.

R

For water and sewer, we are in the long range and existing service categories.

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For water- and we are in the future and existing service categories for sewer.

R

So again, agency comments. The maryland department of planning has no outstanding comments. The bureau.

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Of utilities submitted a advisory comment: the receiving pump station to service this property.

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Is nearing capacity, the bureau of utilities may not be able to issue approval of a future.

R

Final site development until schedule pump station improvements have been completed.

R

So the department of planning is recommending support for the annexation and accompanying.

R

Zoning waiver- and we are also recommending the town go through a water and sewer.

R

Amendment following the pump station improvements and then again planning.

R

And zoning commission met on tuesday and gave this a favorable recommendation to you all.

R

And then we are here for a briefing or possible decision. We have time for next thursday, if you.

R

Are not ready to vote today and then the hampstead public hearing is on october 11th. Didn't we just.

A

Put money into the hampstead yeah there's some into the facility. Didn't we into that plan, but.

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I thought we did wastewater treatment plant just finished. An enr upgrade a.

B

Huge okay, but this is a pump station. This is a pump station on the other side of.

E

Happened to be steve was also a planning and zoning meeting uh they. Mr michaels, was there.

E

Supporting this- and uh you know it's in that area right next to what's going to be, I guess.

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Athletic facility there and uh it's part of the town right between the two schools of the.

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Hampstead elementary school right across the road, so I moved the board approved signed and for the.

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Commitment letter, including the approval and sending waiver request to the town of.

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Hampstead regarding hampstead annexation, number 44, the michaels property; second,.

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Okay, I have a motion. I have a second. Is there any further discussion on this? I.

A

Didn't hear none all in favor, aye aye! Okay! Thank you. Thank you absolutely thank you.

A

Okay: let's talk about uh fy 23 violence against women's act, submission of application, acceptance.

A

Of the award from the state's attorney's office and are they there? I don't think they're here.

A

Okay, let's move on to the agricultural land preservation.

A

For the parker and marsha smith, property.

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So we're on item six, yes, and we will go back.

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When appropriate go ahead, chris looks like you cleared out the room. Was it me.

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Is it something yeah yes good morning, commissioners we're here today for final.

U

Approval for the purchase of an agricultural preservation, easement property owned by parker.

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And marsha smith and jackie bratoon is going to take you through the presentation.

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Click for you or okay sounds good good morning. Commissioners, we're here today to request final.

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Approval on the parker and marsha smith property, it's located in two ruth shriver.

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Road in westminster, 69 acres in district one and there's seven lot rights to retire.

Q

The fair market value which is based on a county points-based appraisal that we do was 582 306.56.

Q

We pay 70 percent of that, so the cost of the county is four hundred and seven thousand six.

Q

Hundred and sixteen dollars, which comes to 5899 an acre here, is the property.

Q

And here's how it lays with the other easement properties you can see right next to it is a.

Q

Critical farm applicant so that one will also be preserved and it's creating a land.

Q

Bridge there, which is great filling in gaps, here's just a couple pictures of it.

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And again, we're just requesting final approval of this property, beautiful.

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It's a nice time to take pictures and green out there. Although it's turning brown but yeah, it's.

Q

Just it is beautiful pictures it's a time of year for site visits. Yes, yes, that's a great area and I.

D

Love that land bridge that's being created out there on uniontown road. That's what we.

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Strive for yep uh anthony I'll make the motion that uh we approve and exercise the option to.

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Purchase an easement on the parker and marsha smith, property in the mound of 407 616. Second,.

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Okay got a motion guys. Second, any discussion scene here, none all in favor.

B

Aye all right, okay! Thank you very much. Thank you very much. What's that critical form property by.

D

The way right beside it do you know, oh, that is also parker and marsha smith. That's what.

D

I thought: okay, it's coming up, yeah, okay, thank you. Okay, thanks director hines, I hope see you.

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At the next walk in the park with chewie, I am sorry that I missed this last one. We have.

A

Do we have the state's attorney's office, okay, not yet.

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Not yet okay, so let's move on to paving and replacement state's.

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Attorney's office there you go come on in all good, never.

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uh Fy 23 violence against women's act.

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um It's item number five going back yeah and where are we okay cool good morning?.

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Do you want me to just begin yep sorry, um my name is cara. Wittenbach.

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W-I-T-T-E-N-B-A-C-H and I am the domestic violence prosecutor for the state's attorney's office,.

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um My role, I actually do all the domestic violence cases in the office. Now I run the.

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Domestic violence docket: that's the bi-monthly docket in district court. In addition to handling.

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All the felony domestic violence cases that come through our office from evaluating to see.

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If we wanted to indict to deciding if we will reduce and move them back to district court,.

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um I presented last year, I appreciate you inviting me back and I always very appreciative of the fact.

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That you support the vawa grant it's a very important uh grant. That allows me to really do.

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Everything that I can for the citizens of carroll county with the domestic violence, just the from.

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Providing outlets for counseling to prosecuting and just really doing.

V

The best that we can for for the citizens, um I'm not sure if you hi.

V

Sorry, that's! Okay! Sorry, all good.

A

And keep going, I'm refer to you. I just gave a brief introduction of what I do. Okay,.

W

Sure, sorry, I'm a little uh so anyway we're here for the fy23 violence against women's.

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Act, submission of the application and acceptance of the award.

W

Please stop me so this is um through the special victims unit at carroll, county state's attorney's.

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Office, um which has dedicated prosecutors that work on domestic violence and sexual crime issues.

W

In the county, um they also provide training um to the prosecutors and also law enforcement and.

W

This grant supports the salary of the dedicated domestic violence prosecutor, which, as you can.

W

See on the paper opened more than 300 cases in 2022, so there is a county match which is.

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Budgeted, which is on the briefing paper um and also of note there, was a small reduction in.

W

This award this year from the governor's office of crime, prevention, youth and victim services,.

A

So the salary is 122 000, which is the salary and benefits, is what it says.

V

That's not my salary um right, no right um and I'm not oh, so I don't know whose.

A

Salary is that, in regards to how that's broken down, I mean yes, so this is their.

W

For goccp there's a restriction on the on the cap on fringe that can be paid for for the grant. So.

W

Some of the county matches supporting the fringe, but this is the total salary for the prosecutor.

W

So the county match is contributing to um the salary and fringe portion.

W

um Because the the fringe allowed under the grant is is can only be 30 of those salary.

W

So it's it seems like the county matches is significantly higher, but part of that is the.

W

Way that the grant allows the salary to be charged yeah. No, I'm I'm looking at the 122 000. This total.

A

That's yes, total cost for this. Yes, that's the total cost for a salary and benefits and benefits.

A

Sounds like a deal, um is uh the grant awarded every year and has it changed year to year or.

W

This is a grant that is awarded every year. um It's a it starts at the federal level, so this.

W

Is you know the federal violence against women's act um right now? It's authorized through 2024, so.

W

We would expect that to be authorized again, but this is um an annual award 300 cases in 2022.

W

I will defer to you about that. That's not my no! No! I I get you sure it seems to be just an.

A

Incredible amount of cases it is and um just to be frank, we've we've been doing a lot of adjustments.

V

Especially on the district court level, um I don't know how familiar everyone is with the judges that.

V

On on the bench, but judge green, who retired over a year ago, he actually was um kind of the this. He.

V

Helped bring about the district court dv docket and with under his kind of leadership in a lot.

V

Of ways we had some consistency, it's every it was every wednesday um in the and it was in the.

V

Morning and it allowed um consistency with the same judge, because that judge would ultimately.

V

Be who most of our offenders if they were placed on probation they'd, had to report to him.

V

And then it allowed also some partnership with the public defender's office uh springboard because we.

V

Work a lot with springboard sure, in addition to just having the having one prosecutor, handling.

V

The same cases, so when he retired there was that really kind of chaotic time when we had.

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One judge: lots of visiting judges until we judge lewis was appointed and now judge dance has taken.

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Over and we're making some more adjustments and where we are now is it's every other week. So.

V

um Still on wednesdays and it's every other week, the benefit in a sense to that is that, as I stated.

V

I'm the only I do the dv cases from the office, so I'm allow. I have more flexibility to do jury.

V

Trials on those off weeks for other cases, we have really developed a partnership with springboard.

V

And that's been a huge improvement. We have one woman who is an amazing advocate for victims.

V

And she comes to court every week, she's there to kind of um meet with a victim um outside a.

V

Court help put most the time they are female her in with treatment and that's been a huge benefit.

F

Go ahead, can I ask since the restrictive policies of covet of isolation, mental health going up is.

F

There a correlation, a spike at domestic violence with that I've seen this bike, sir, with more high.

V

Schoolers, so could you repeat that more high schoolers as offenders really yeah, we had not been.

F

Aware of that, we had some situations where um I felt like it was a lot end of last uh spring into.

V

Summer, where we had, it felt like to me more um seven, like 18 year olds, like senior in high school.

V

Offenders um with victims that were you, know, 16 or 17., and I I know that that I would point and.

V

I'm not a mental health expert, but I definitely feel like that was a covid, um an effect of covid.

V

Because you, you had two years of non-socialization and people really not knowing how to interact with.

V

Other people and then a lot of frustration and that would go hand in hand with what I've learned.

F

Touring with the school system that we're seeing more mental health issues at a younger age post.

F

Covid restrictions is there programs in therapy in place to address that specific issue, so we.

V

um Every other october, or around october we kind of um our office. We either go into the.

V

High schools to talk about drugs or domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and so this.

V

Year, it's going to be we're going to be addressing the intimate partner violence in the high schools.

V

And um there are lots of programs that really deal just that deal with that age.

V

Group, because it is it's a different type of counseling and we have found.

V

That the youth service bureau does a really great job with that high school early 20 group, like they.

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Have got they've got the program excellent program. The hardest part is that there's a.

V

Really long wait list so as much as we want to get people in and get them in sooner than later,.

V

They're having to deal with a long wait list and, and that that can be, that can be really.

V

Tricky so we need more resources to address this issue. I I would have strongly that those services.

V

Is so that they can deal with the population um and then and the mental health issues that we.

V

Have going on, if you would I'd like you to contact my ministry of assistant, miss kathy dietrich and.

F

Arrange for me to do a torn assessment of where you guys are at and what your needs are, and I.

F

Will help advocate and bring some public awareness to the issue you're faced with this is extremely.

F

Critical, because if we do not address the mental health issues in our youth, they don't propagate.

F

Into adulthood and that's all overload or judicial system when we face a much more greater problems.

F

After that definitely and mental health, like touches every aspect of the criminal justice.

V

System because you know- and I don't do the drug possession cases anymore, but you sit there and you.

V

Sit in district court and you watch that docket, you know it doesn't matter every it touches every.

V

Piece, you know somebody doesn't start doing drugs because they're mentally healthy someone doesn't.

V

Assault their their partner or their mother or their. You know the list goes on and on.

V

And on and they're all correlated they are, and the amazing thing about carroll county I think, is that.

V

They do have these resources there. We just need to be able to help more people, and um you know.

V

If, if the budget allows, they need the services so that we can do more on that end, so that we are not.

V

Busier in our office, I appreciate your candor. Thank you very much, of course, yeah. I think you.

A

Described it very well and uh it's a it's a huge problem. Fortunately, we are a county that cares and.

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I, like um I, like the expectation management at the court system, that every wednesday, like with other.

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Challenges we have, we have a system that you know like with drugs and others, and we're talking about.

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Veterans, what are the expectations in taking care of a specific population, um so that expectation.

A

Management in the community goes a long ways and your relationship and partnership with.

A

Ccysb with uh all the others I mean is awesome, so I apologize no, no you're fine. I just wanted.

D

To personally, thank you for the kind words about the springboard representative. I couldn't say any.

V

He's been a light that we didn't have for a really long time and I I feel really privileged to be.

V

Able to work with her- and I didn't realize that the connection so obviously I was not speaking.

V

That way, because of that, no no! No, I appreciate that and I'm I'm I'm very as much as I can be.

D

Familiar with all that that goes on yes- uh and you know uh so I keep track of that very closely and.

D

It is, it is troubling, so I I do know it firsthand, but thank you thank you. I appreciate that and.

A

Although we're going to be talking about 122, 980 and not 81, because of that, I really do appreciate.

A

It yeah you're gonna, try to get the 81. well you I uh somebody will have to explain that to me.

B

Yeah yeah, uh don't worry about the numbers, it was a sidebar conversation.

A

Sorry, don't worry about numbers, that's not trying to understand that total. So.

V

um Okay, but I appreciate you also inviting me to come and- and I I understand it's not like.

V

It's kind of have to because when we come when we ask for money, but um it's important for everybody.

V

To know what what we're doing? Oh absolutely it puts it in context and um again, we've got to shine.

A

A light on the challenges we have in the community and know that those challenges exist and we have.

A

Resources to deal with it um and how do we nest those resources together and you're? A large part.

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Of that, so I appreciate it I'll move. The board of commissioners approve the submission of the fy 23.

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um Violence against women's act grant and accept the award second got a motion.

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Second, any further discussion by the way the feeling's mutual seen her none the comments.

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Hi hi hi. Okay, thank you. Thank you have a good day and this chair does not sleep. Okay,.

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Now, let's talk about paving and replacement of storm water basins, item number seven.

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One commissioners good morning, commissioners,.

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The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of facilities, request your approval.

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To award the paving of all parking areas and replacement of 11 storm water basins at the.

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Carroll county office, building to gray and sons in the amount of 558 990. This work will be performed.

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Under our carroll county contract, this amount is approved in the fy 23 budget and no additional.

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Funds should be required morning, commissioners, we're here to request your approval to award.

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Grandsons the paving contract for the continuing effort to maintain the infrastructure here at.

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Carroll county office, building with this award, the bureau of facilities plans to replace 11.

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Stormwater basins, in conjunction with repaving, all the parking lot areas in a proximity area.

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uh The existing parking lot was resurfaced in 1993 and has exceeded its normal lifespan.

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The project will be broken down into three phases. um This will allow as less disruption we can to.

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The operation, knowing that what we have going on here at this facility, um three phases which.

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That will touch base with here in his little presentation he's going to show here at the end.

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uh With this uh parking lot repaving, it's also going to include re-striping we're going to all.

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Fresh lines handicap signs, everything's going to be freshened up and, like I say, we're going to try.

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To do all the phases so that way future budgets, it all kind of lines up and we can replace the entire.

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Parking lot, so we aren't constantly rehabbing section by section and getting in all under one.

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Umbrella to correct the issues so with that, if you want to kind of explain the process here, what we.

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Have on your screen now you'll see three phases of the county office building right in the center.

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The first phase is in yellow: that's the little parking lot out back here that also uh the back.

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Of the junction is also involved in that and we'll close, that little side lane that comes in you'll.

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Have to come around to the main entrance to access the county office building, but you'll still have.

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Full functioning, except for that side, road phase two is the very front of the building, both phase.

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One and phase two are, I think, will pretty much be easy to pull off. That's in blue phase two.

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Phase three, however, encompasses the whole side of that big parking lot and the sheriff's office.

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um This phase is the most challenging we're still working on a parking plan for this and also keep.

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In mind that the sally port for the detention centers in that phase- and we are working very.

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Are going to work very closely with the sheriff's department make sure we can keep that open.

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uh Somehow some way, we'll figure it out have to start a bike to work.

A

With the south reports I feel, like I see the chief administrators carr was still in that.

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Parking lot so you're gonna have to do something to pave around that vehicle. If you go back to.

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That one slide well, mr highlander yeah. I think I think that's her car and uh we're gonna have.

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To kind of make a yeah there, we go, hey, wait! A minute, that's my turn. That's your! That is.

D

Your truck too working long hours be careful what you do when that drone's flying over okay.

A

Let's go to the next slide. um This is just a highlighting of some of the areas we're.

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Touching on, besides paving the small parking lot behind us, has asphalt curbing in that line.

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um It's a value and engineering tool that is not very, very good for commercial parking lots.

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um Because cars brought up uh bump it all the time uh and if you're in a snow belt- and you have snow.

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And plows out there they do take a lot of abuse and they will not hold up. As you can see, it's.

T

Missing we're not going to have snow this year, hopefully not okay, we're going to put in place.

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Of this asphalt curbing we're going to put in concrete, curbing and if we can have the next slide.

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This main area is this secondary road. This is where uh we've added a you can see some.

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Ad alternates we've added in there. This is one of the areas that we suspect we're going to have some.

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Issues and have to undercut it means the subgrade stone because of the areas you can see blocking.

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This usually is an indication that substrate is is in trouble, so we've added some add alternates.

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To try to get ahead of this, it is in the proposal, and it is in the grand total to cut some of this.

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Out add new substrate compact it and hopefully resolve this issue. This is a normal condition.

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It's nothing that we did wrong or in the past it just happens. Occasionally the substrate gets.

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Too wet and you get blocking if we can have the next slide. Also, while we're at this we're doing.

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The stormwater basings, there's 11 of them to the left of your screen, is the old type.

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Cover very hazardous, the bikes they'll be changed to the right side of your screen. Where you see.

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It's a lot more friendly and it's also required by code now those old greats, they're, dangerous.

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So we're going to upgrade the upgrade the grades as well. If we have the next slide.

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These longitudinal lines that you see these are normal, wear and tear. However they're letting a.

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Lot of moisture get below the surface. This is actually where two paths of that small.

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Were seamed at one time it's just a normal condition and as parking lots, wear you'll.

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See these long lines and it's the original scene between two pieces of asphalt, we want.

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To get that closed up, we'll mill, some of it off overlay it and it should correct the problem.

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Overall, these are normal, wear and tear over 20 years. So and that's the end of the presentation.

F

Well, mr heiler and mr mcgow, I appreciate the tour you gave me of the parking lot. You know all of us.

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Right in that is parking lot, and we never really noticed how bad the condition is, and I appreciate.

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The fact you informed me that we do have an engineering firm that reviews these things for.

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Us to make the determination, so this was a good recommendation. Therefore, I appreciate everything.

F

You all put into it I'm really concerned about the sally port entrance to the detention center.

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Because I know there's a process and procedure they have for transporting inmates and I hope.

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That the sheriff's department works very closely with you in the timing and how to.

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Make that happen and not have any security issues for the population, so please stay on top of that.

F

I move that the board of commissioners approved the award to pave all parking areas. The carroll.

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County office building replace 11 storm water basins to gray and sons, an amount of 558 990.

F

Dollars second, okay, got a motion. Sex is any other comments on this one. It's wondering when it's.

C

Going to get started yeah uh so once we uh receive all the approvals, uh the basins are roughly four.

Y

Four weeks out, four to five weeks out so once they receive the basins we plan on hitting a hitting.

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This project, four or five weeks, estimated time to get it done another four to five weeks depending.

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On weather, so we're hoping to have this project completed really by three phases: yes wow. I won.

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January, uh hopefully sooner than that commissioner yeah wow roll. How long would it take to take the.

C

Tour of the parking lot I'm just kidding- wow, not long, but it is amazing how much you're aware of.

F

That you don't pay attention to just like when we redid the building, and you showed me all.

F

The cracks in the building we never knew that was there as individuals coming in the building. That's.

Y

Good to present that to you yeah, isn't there a cutoff date for asphalt, paving uh it's weather.

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Driven yeah yeah, uh depending on the temperatures and they shut the plants down november yeah. Some.

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Plants will still be open in november yeah. Now, when we get into december, we may be having some.

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Issues. Okay, so uh you know we're gonna have to play that. So when we do the phases we're actually.

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Going to come in and do the basins first, uh the concrete basins, um so we can get ahead of the.

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Game so that way, then a million can come back after that and start the phases. So if we are.

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Prolonged because of the weather, we'll at least have the basins and all the new.

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Storm drain in place, for I hate to say it but springtime paving if we're pushed back.

A

Hooting, it's more like get jiggy on this one, so they need to get a little cheeky on this.

A

Okay, any other discussion on this scene here, none all in favor aye. Thank you very much. Thank you.

A

Okay, let's talk about purchase of a raptor, rp tech, one radar unit, 20 of them sounds.

F

Like something from jurassic park, okay, I think you're gonna have to slow down.

X

The carroll county bureau of fleet management solicit a quotation from.

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Custom singles incorporating a single source vendor to purchase 20 raptor rp1 radar units.

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For new sheriff's vehicles, at a cost of thirty eight thousand four hundred dollars, the cost.

X

Covers the radar units antennas cables and carrying cases along with the shipping, these.

X

Monies have been approved in the fy 23 budget and no additional funds should be needed.

AA

Commissioners, though, the raptor rp wands are the radar units that the sheriff uses and his.

AA

Patrol vehicles for speed limit enforcement, the units that we're looking to replace have been.

AA

Aged seven to nine years, so we have found that they're needing more frequent calibrations and.

AA

Repairs so with your approval, we would like to replace those units remove them from current.

AA

Vehicles and sell them through auction on public surplus. Does that mean anybody can buy one? Yes,.

E

You're not going to get that fast on the bike, but you got to put one of your bikes.

A

In line with other community other jurisdictions, the type of radar units that are being used, these.

AA

Are top of the line, uh so these radar units are very cool because they have an antenna in the.

AA

Front of the vehicle and the rear of the vehicle, so the officer can pick up speeds of vehicles.

A

Leaving him coming towards him, while he's standing still while he's in motion yep, uh he or she.

AA

um So yeah they are top of the line radar units. Okay, I found out one time they can.

F

Get you out of moving right, let's have a quick. These are fixed units.

C

What do we need carrying cases for for storage if we're storing them out of the vehicle if the.

AA

Vehicle is down or needing body work in an accident. So well then, my idea of fix is that.

C

It's bolted to the car somehow correct, but and the other thing all of our patrol vehicles use this.

AA

Unit, so if a vehicle is in an accident, we can take one out set it aside, put it uh in the carrying.

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Case to make sure it doesn't get damaged, we get a new vehicle, we have a spare vehicle, we can take.

AA

It out and put it in that unit all right. Thank you. I'm with the board of commissioners award purchase.

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Of 20 radar units to custom signals now, in the total amount of thirty eight thousand four hundred.

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Dollars second without motion. Second, any other discussion on this one seen here: none all in favor.

D

Aye aye aye. Thank you, hey reid, while you're there right nicely done. Mr browning.

D

While you're there how's the vehicle, uh are we getting vehicles in or vehicle delays, so.

AA

I believe, last time I was with you guys uh most of the vehicles we were purchasing. I was saying.

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Six to eight months wait uh when we can order vehicles for 2023 models. I hate to say it, but I.

AA

Think I'll be telling you nine to twelve month delays until we receive vehicles. uh We have a.

AA

Handful of vehicles that we ordered about this time last year that we have yet to receive, but.

AA

We are hopeful in receiving them column, october november, okay, so they're trickling in yet. Yes, sir.

D

Okay, all right thanks! Thank you, mr oliver. Thank you.

A

Okay, annual renewal of geographic information system, gis software maintenance and support.

E

Ing commissioners good morning.

X

The office of procurement and cooperation with technology services request your approval to.

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Award the purchase for the renew renewal of esri software maintenance for various.

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County agencies to esri incorporated in the amount of fifty nine thousand dollars this.

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Purchase amount is within the approved budget, and no additional funds should be necessary.

X

Okay- and we actually pronounce that pronounce that esri, it's the supplier, the geographic.

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Information software that's used by the county. We have about 135 users in the county throughout all.

AB

Of the agencies that use this software to do their jobs, it was also pretty important in the.

AB

Last weather incident that we had when we had to call in public safety, they were able to use.

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This software to map out where the incidents were and really get a good handle on what was going on.

B

Amazing I make the motion board of commissioners approve the purchase for the renewal of the esri.

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Software maintenance to esri incorporated in the amount of fifty nine thousand dollars.

C

Second, I got a motion secondary discussion on this sitting here. None all in favor.

A

Aye. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you, easy sale. Wasn't it have a good day too.

A

Okay: let's talk about the submission of the fy 22 family self-sufficiency program,.

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Grant renewal of application acceptance of the award good morning, ladies good morning,.

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Commissioners, I'm joined today by danielle our beer chief of housing and community.

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Connections and also carol smith, our family, self-sufficient sufficiency coordinator.

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We're here today to seek approval to submit our fy 22 self-sufficiency program, grant renewal.

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Application and acceptance of the award, the grant request, is for 70 79 440 dollars.

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It includes housing, administration, funding of 14 623, with no required county match for a total of.

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Ninety four thousand sixty three dollars: I'm going to turn it to danielle yates, to talk a little bit.

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About the program, uh and then also carol will share some great program information for us as.

AC

Well good morning, so the family self-sufficiency program is a voluntary program that is offered to.

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All housing choice, voucher participants, the family self-sufficiency program coordinator works with.

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Participants to create individual goals that focus on each family's needs through community.

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Partnerships with our county and different agencies, we are able to link individuals with.

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Services that will help them attain their goals in becoming more economically self-sufficient.

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Our agency has created very strong partnerships with other county agencies such as workforce.

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Development hsp dss the health department, united way carroll community college carroll, county youth.

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Service bureau potomac case management and others historically 80 to 85 percent of our participants.

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Will attend college or some type of vocational training? In the last year, 76 percent of our fss.

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Participants have actually increased their income household, which reduce the amount of subsidy.

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Assistance they are provided, and in some cases they no longer even need a housing assistance.

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And this year's nofa process, we are guaranteed a flat funding rate of the 79440.

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Hud has noted that additionally, we may get additional money of up to about 19 percent just to.

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um Curtail any additional costs with salary and friends we have for that program coordinator.

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Hud is also indicated that they may issue a second year of funding through an automatic.

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Renewal, but this is not guaranteed if this would occur, we will come back to the board.

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For approval to accept that additional money at that time, our program coordinator, carol smith,.

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Would now like to share a few highlights from this past year with the program.

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Good morning, commissioners, so last year in calendar year 2022 we served 29 families.

T

In spite of the challenges that covid presented the previous couple of years, seven participants.

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Met their goal, graduated from thrive and earned in escrow of those seven four, no longer even.

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Qualify for housing assistance and one voluntarily relinquish their voucher. All of them are hoping.

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To purchase a home, the other two still qualify for housing assistance, but at a reduced level.

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Last year I told you about a participant who graduated from thrive with the largest escrow.

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In the history of the fss program in carroll county at that time, because it's a very large.

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Family they still qualified for housing assistance but at a greatly reduced rate.

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So now, a year later, due to increased income and stable employment, this family is paying.

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Their entire rent and their voucher will soon be released for another family, and this family's.

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Ultimate goal is eventually to buy a home. I would like to read to you a statement by a thrive.

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Participant she just graduated from the program in the spring. Her name is morgan barton and thanks.

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To hud's approval of our revised action plan, which we came before you in august, and you approved that.

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Also and there's new federal regulations for the program morgan will be permitted to rejoin thrive.

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In a few months as she continues to work on goals towards economic self-sufficiency, morrigan wrote.

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I am a recent graduate from carroll community college and became a thrive participant in 2017.

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When I began the program, I simply filled out the interest sheet and wasn't expecting to have a plan.

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Set out or to even sign up for anything, however, I had some goals in mind for me and my son, and I.

T

Figured I would take advantage of any help that I could get when I first spoke with carol. I hadn't.

T

Signed up for classes at carroll, community college and I didn't have transportation, I was receiving.

T

Rides to and from work with co-workers and family members- and these were not always reliable.

T

I honestly hadn't thought about going back to school, but I began a journey that turned out.

T

Very differently than I expected, I expected to attend classes and complete assignments. I never.

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Expected to attend a national education conference or be a student advocacy speaker, a club leader.

T

The 2020 newman civil fellow representative, an education advocate or the selected student speaker.

T

At the carroll community college 2022 commencement ceremony with the outline of goals that I created.

T

At thrive, I was able to stay focused on what was important to me. I wanted to graduate with my.

T

Associate's degree in teaching learn about the aspects of becoming a homeowner purchase, a car.

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Save some money for my son's college fund and save a little bit of money for emergencies. Well,.

T

I accomplished all my goals and I have created new goals that I have already started working on.

T

I am a current student at notre dame of maryland university studying to become a certified.

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Maryland teacher I have a car and I'm hoping to increase my savings for down payment on a house.

T

Without the thrive program, I think I would have floundered more than I had.

T

Having thrive as a part of my motivation, wasn't just another nagging thing: I had a commitment to.

T

It was a driving force for my determination at carroll. It was a way for me to streamline what.

T

I really needed to do rather than worrying about a hundred different things at once.

T

I hope you will take these thoughts into consideration and know how much I.

T

Appreciate being a thrive participant? No thank you. Thank you for sharing.

A

The um the grant request does it change every year on the numbers of folks that need. I mean that so.

A

The demographics or how's that it's a formula that hud has yeah it's based on the number of.

AD

Participants we have, and, of course what they do is they go out and they do a study for celery and.

AD

Fringe on coordinators, in approximately that area, it increased last year to the 79440., while we're.

AD

Guaranteed that this year, what they're indicating is, if we could get an increase percent right based.

AD

On the number of applications they receive and the funding that they designate out, okay,.

E

I'll move the board of commissioners for the submission of the fy 22 family.

E

Self-Sufficiency grant renewal application and accepted the award.

F

Second, I don't want to state miss smith and miss yates. Thank you for stating the positive impact.

F

We're having upon people for me, that is a return on investment, and so often we hear a negativity.

F

About the welfare system helping people out, but this is not to keep people permanently.

F

And perpetually in that state, this is about successfully transferring people out of tough.

F

Points in their life to be successful citizens and you guys are very good at it. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Okay, anything else all in favor, aye, aye aye. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Okay: let's talk about the fy 2022 continuum of care, application and awards.

A

Hello, miss tammy good morning, scott.

AC

Good morning again, commissioners, I'm joined now uh by tammy black, the executive director of access.

AC

Carol, who serves with me as our co-chair of the circle of caring homelessness board and also with.

AC

Us is scottyard our executive director of human services programs of carroll county, which is our.

AC

Community action agency and they provide the bulk of our homeless, sheltering services for the county.

AC

um Corey hardinger from our grant's office is also in the back with us uh very supportive of.

AC

This effort, as well as danielle, yates our bureau chief of housing community connections. We are.

AC

Here before you, as you said, seeking approval to submit the 2022 continuum of care application and.

AC

Acceptance of the awards, the circle of caring home of circle, of caring homelessness, board's mission.

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Is to empower all citizens of carroll county to be self-sufficient and to have stable housing and.

AC

A safe, healthy life by maximizing community collaboration, our strategic goals include a.

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Focus on preventing and ending homelessness, among veterans the chronically homeless and for families.

AC

Youth and children, the continuum of care grant, is a national competitively ranked application.

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And offers funding each year that provides services and housing for the homeless, including.

AC

Our permanent supportive housing programs and our coordinated entry system, we have taken steps. This.

AC

Year to drill down on youth homelessness and have re-established a formal homeless subcommittee on.

AC

Youth homelessness. This subcommittee is part of our coc. We also continued our strong work with.

AC

Our youth reach youth count committee and we also have started a pathway to establish a youth action.

AC

Board the reason these things are important is because all of these elements will position us.

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To consider application for additional funding in the spring to respond to youth homelessness.

AC

For homeless youth threat and have homeless, youth driving that response with their engagement in all.

AC

Of these pieces, you will know the number of total homeless individuals served in carroll county over.

AC

The past year was 522.. This is only risen. It's not a significant rise in the number and just.

AC

To be clear, that number does not mean that we have over 500, actively homeless individuals in.

AC

The county, what that means is that we have served over 500 individuals with homeless services. Those.

AC

Homeless services include our street outreach, our rapid rehousing program, all the shelter.

AC

Services that are offered throughout the county, adult only family, shelter night by night and up.

AC

Until march 30th individuals also that had been in our temporary covid response. Shelter also includes.

AC

Coordinating entry, which is the county-wide point for con for contact for homeless persons offering.

AC

Access to services using a low barrier, no wrong door approach and also our homeless prevention.

AC

Program um and also, if you note on that breakdown on your charts of those 117 individuals that fall.

AC

Into the chronically homeless category, which by hud's definition, is a homeless individual that.

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Lives in a place not meant for human habitation, a safe haven or an emergency shelter and has not has.

AC

Been homeless and living as described for at least the last 12 months or had four separate occasions.

AC

Of homelessness over the past three years for a combined amount of homelessness of 12 months, total.

AC

um But 65 of the folks of that 117 chronically homeless identified individuals. They are.

AC

Successfully housed, so our programs are working, the additional 52 individuals we know who they.

AC

Are we are working with them? They are in our temporary shelters and our adult only.

AC

Our family shelters, and also in our night by night, some of those individuals, those last.

AC

52 that we we are trying to engage with are refusing services some people based on their.

AC

Current need do not want to engage right now, so we are reaching them with other services. Trying.

AC

To connect them to resources like access carol, other mental health and substance use treatment.

AC

Opportunities as well as other workforce opportunities to really engage them to become.

AC

To become housed this year, we are also entering into a formal relationship with access carroll, as.

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A partner for our nofa submission that agreement partners us with access who will commit to offer.

AC

Health care resources to those folks engaged in our permanent supportive housing project.

AC

This formal partnership will hopefully be rewarded by hud that could potentially recognize this and.

AC

Give us bonus points for this effort resulting in additional funding. So, although tammy has always.

AC

Provided that health care resource to this same population, this just formalizes that agreement.

AC

And partnership, so I do want to turn it over now to tammy to talk a little bit about the mental.

AC

Health services and the intensity of need that she is seeing um in her in her agency yeah good.

AE

Morning, just to give you a very brief snapshot and to kind of talk about a an interesting service.

AE

Line we were able to offer since november the hospital had reached out to a bunch of community.

AE

Stakeholders and behavioral health providers it'll be over 18 months ago and then um some of.

AE

The community providers were available, some of the physicians in primary care, internal medicine and.

AE

Expressed a pretty serious need for a behavioral health hotline where they could go as providers to.

AE

Not get you know a lot of run around a busy signal or whatever it may be, which has been historically.

AE

Their complaint and when they're busy seeing a patient, they want to get right into a call. So.

AE

um We said okay, yeah, we'll we'll host that hotline for you that went live in november and since that.

AE

Time it was a little bit of a slow sluggish start providers were using it, giving it to patients and.

AE

So, on we've seen a huge uptick since that time, in the last, like I would say, 90 days.

AE

And surprisingly, we all thought it would be substance use disorder that was calling in.

AE

We do get some of those calls, but as of june 30 estate and I've got more that's moving forward of.

AE

Course, but all of my data that I've pulled shows 76 of all the callers are pure mental health.

AE

um Only um three of those actual patients, no sorry four, actually have a co-occurring disorder, meaning.

AE

That they've got mental health and substance use disorder, but um the majority are are purely mental.

AE

Health, which was a surprising thing for me and my team to talk about because we've always dealt.

AE

With the behavioral health issues and the mental health situations going on, but we're seeing a huge.

AE

Uptick, especially over the last I would say two years: maybe it's exacerbations because of.

AE

Covid, we don't really know the the etiology or the why we just know that the need is there. So.

AE

um We've also seen a pretty big uptick in the homeless persons being served, because I do chart.

AE

Reviews every single month on patients that we do walk-in assessments for and by the way we.

AE

Do walk-in assessments every day we've been open for several years now, every single day to take and.

AE

Walk-In assessments and we've primarily focused on the opioid use, disorder and other substance.

AE

Use disorders but we're also seeing a very large uptick in the in the request for mental health.

AE

Patients don't know, don't always know how to articulate that, but it's there, and so our team.

AE

Is getting more, I guess multi-trained all of our providers on addressing co-occurring, but.

AE

Also, more specifically mental health disorders and within those chart, reviews that I'm doing.

AE

Large numbers I'm actually telling the health department, who was the reporting entity that I.

AE

I submit to um we're seeing a lot of homeless and and it's just an interesting um situation.

AE

So we work with hsp every single day every single day we have those guys on on our own red line and.

AE

um Really try to do um pre-work to get those folks teed up for success and whether it's shelter.

AE

Housing, whatever we can do to get them um into care. I think that this formalized partnership with.

AE

The nofo application here with this this project is going to really help strengthen our resolve to.

AE

Maybe more intentionally address some of these things that we've always been doing, but now I'm.

AE

Actually, tracking data on it, so I think it's going to be an all-around win and it's going to help.

AE

These folks, hopefully get into other wraparound services, maybe more efficiently intentionally.

AE

Than before, not that we're never going to not, you know, work with the uh the substance use disorder.

AE

As we have been, it's just that we're now really pulling on that that mental health side as well.

AE

um Our behavioral health leadership team is also very acutely aware of the need and we're really.

AE

Trying to to bolster our internal services for um for mental health care and those specific.

AE

Assessments to get those patients plugged into services- I do want to say- and you all may have.

AE

Gotten the invitation already we're having a behavioral health cross-agency training on the.

AE

14Th of october, to really probe deep deeply into this talk about more of these statistical outcomes.

AE

And to pull in some of those providers that we've been working with since november, who've really.

AE

Made a very very, I would say, significant impact on access to care, not everybody being served as being.

AE

Treated at access carol we're just coordinating it with other providers, because we've got some.

AE

Great resources here, so it's kind of pulling all those together and to get people plugged in where.

AE

They need to be so just know that we're we're a partner, we're not trying to be the only the.

AE

Sole provider because there's lots of business to go around, um unfortunately, unfortunately yeah but.

AE

I just want you know that there's hope um we're an amazing community. I've always said that we're.

AE

The most collaborative and well communicating community we're to a lot of other communities.

AE

Covet that and so we're trying to teach our best practices and make a replicable model in.

AE

Other areas, so I could talk all day about data I'll stop now, just so you know mental health.

AE

Is on the rise and we're here to help tammy, I I appreciate- and I've often said especially with.

A

Our veterans, we don't need flagpoles or monuments, we need service, you know and that's what you're.

A

Providing so celine, I mean the requests and requirements that you've provided with dakota.

A

Dollars to address mental health, I mean this: is it dovetails exactly what you're saying tammy that.

A

um You know, to put you know, resources to get folks and training um for our community, uh because.

A

It's not one or the other, it's all of you working together so, but did this kind of.

A

Share shows to me okay, because during my town halls, people are like where's, this money going.

A

To and I said we had 57 million dollars of requirements, we had 32 million dollars to.

A

Spend and a large, almost a portion of that did go to mental health that you requested.

A

So- and we uh up here with my colleagues, said: yes there's a valid requirement, so this is kind of.

A

I'm really surprised the number of less than 17 homeless that we have in your chart here that.

E

Is unbelievable? I can't believe that that many homeless kids, I'm going to say here out there.

E

Surprise me, and I will say.

AC

One of the funding that you referenced is I'm going to hire peer supports which have been.

A

Very successful with population, and so that is something that all the agencies are bulking up.

AC

And- and I think that uh and even into the shelter sending peer supports the health department as.

AC

Well into our shelter services to to support the individuals knowing the place they came from.

AC

Because they have been there themselves, it is a it's a great connection that they make. Are these.

A

Numbers homeless, coming from the last census that was done. No, these are based on our our carroll.

AC

County homeless management information system and there are actual numbers of people served, we had.

AC

The agencies that served our homeless population and they enter into this common database and.

AC

These numbers are based on the federal fiscal year from october 1st to november 30th, so we're.

AC

Not quite at the end of this, so we still have a couple more. I think, two more weeks to go so there.

AC

Will be the numbers will increase minimally, um but that that's the report for this year.

N

I I do want to give: can I give scott a chance to talk about collection, entry and the shelter.

AC

Services that he provides, um which is also an essential piece of what we do with this funding, so.

P

This is these. Grants are an essential piece of a big puzzle. You know maybe there's about 100 pieces.

P

Of the puzzle- and this is, you know, a large piece of it and it's part of an overall system, whereas.

P

We have individuals that are essentially, I would say, on a you know, a an assembly line of success. We.

P

Have individuals that come in through coordinated entry, they may say that they're homeless, maybe we.

P

Can what we call divert them, maybe they're about to be homeless, but we can help them.

P

With a security deposit, maybe we can help them with with eviction prevention. You know mediation.

P

With a family member, but if they can't they will go through coordinated entry and then they'll be.

P

On the eligibility list for shelter and that's the eligibility list is a list, that's maintained.

P

Of whoever is, is the highest risk and need enter shelter and then from there they may go into rapid.

P

Rehousing they may go into permanent, supported housing because they're, disabled and the chance of.

P

Living independently is is low right now because of their disabilities, but then from there. What.

P

You don't see in here is a lot of individuals that um come to us because they think they're.

P

They're about to be homeless, but then we can put them into other programs, whereas you're seeing.

P

Here with 522 that entered the system, uh you know hsp as a whole, has roughly serves over 6.

P

000 people a year that are that are in poverty, but we can put in different situations timmy. I.

P

Don't even know how many individuals you serve a year over nine thousand nine thousand. So when you.

P

Look at all those numbers, what you don't see is the the giant safety net that avoids that.

P

Number being over that 522 because of all the uh a to support from carroll county government and.

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Commissioners, to invest into nonprofits for return on investment with the community, but really all.

P

The leverage and uh collaboration from all the non-profits- so that's that's, really the key with.

P

These services, and- and that is uh you know from the top down, so we're very supportive thankful for.

F

The support you all do so much behind the scenes that the general public's, not aware of, and if you.

F

Were not there, it would actually degrade air quality of life in the county. So I appreciate.

F

Your leadership and miss black. I commend you on recognizing addressing the mental health.

F

Component linked to the addiction, and by doing so hopefully we'll get a virtual investment and.

F

Reduce the future addiction because I first hand understand the correlation, and I commend you all.

A

Okay, I'll move the board of commissioners approves the submission of the fy 22.

A

Consumer of care application except the award second now motion. Second, any discussion.

A

Seen here, none all in favor all right. Thank you. Thank you. Very much have a.

A

Good day, absolutely, let's talk about new windsor and town county agreement.

A

Mr zaleski,.

AF

Well, with your cooperation, I can be out of here in less than 60 seconds.

AF

Have at it, uh this is the last of the game.

D

There goes 30., yeah, sweat uh last, the town county agreements, we've explained the program, a handful.

AF

Of times this year's I'm not going to go through that all again, but um the the gross amount of the.

AF

Amount for new winds of this year is about 83 000. After we take out the um uh water resource.

AF

Employees and the stormwater cooperation the check they will receive is for 69 285 dollars.

F

Now I need to speed, read I move the board of county commissioners, approved fy, 23 town county.

F

Agreement with the town of new windsor, second, okay, I got a motion couple of seconds and discussion.

A

Seen here none all in favor, aye aye. There you go. You got your wish. That was 66 seconds. Okay,.

A

Let's talk about ethics, submission of proposed amendments to the county's ethics ordinance. Yes,.

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To answer your question, why do I do this to you? Because you love us? The state ethics law.

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Over uh requires that counties and local governments enact uh conflict of interest.

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And financial disclosure provisions in their local ordinances that are at least as strict.

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Or stricter than those in the state law that are applicable to state officials and state employees.

I

So periodically the legislature will enact some amendments to the state law which triggers a.

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Requirement that we make changes to our local ordinance and that's what happened in 2021.

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There were two bills that were enacted into law and I'm just going to go down the the list of.

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Required changes for you, one of them is, we have to add a definition of quasi governmental entity.

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That's directed at quite frankly, the university of maryland medical system, which the controversy.

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Between a former government official and the maryland medical system is what generated.

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These two house bills, which then generates our requirements to amend our ordinance so.

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It's a real domino effect there. The second one requires you uh to just actually what it does.

I

Is it treats any gifts from merko, which is the maryland association of counties or mako? Excuse.

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Me that's a joke that really felt and for some reason the someone down in indianapolis felt it.

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Important that you uh to treat mml and mako, like any other lobbying group for the purpose of any.

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Gifts or dinners that you receive from them. um It also prohibits a disclosure of confidential.

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Information by former government officials and former employees- that's that's a new provision. I.

A

Apologize tim, these are being submitted by who, as state law, changed to incorporate these provisions.

I

So these are already in effect, they're in a state law. Now we have to put them into our ordinance.

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Do we have to? Yes, we have to because the state law says that if the counties and local governments.

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Must have ethics ordinance that are as strict or or stricter than the state law so we're getting.

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Around to amending our ordinance to incorporate these provisions, uh the new provisions would also.

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Prohibit retaliation against uh whistleblowers or anybody participating in an ethics investigation.

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It also, this is curious. It prohibits the disclosure of uh by local ethics commissions.

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Of information in financial disclosure statements related to money or consideration received from.

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The maryland medical system, or from a government or quasi-governmental entity of the state of.

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Maryland, if I want to go in and see your financial disclosure statement today, they have to hand it to.

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Me and let me take a look at this- requires them to redact any information regarding compensation to.

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You from the university of maryland medical system or a governmental or quasi-governmental entity of.

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The state or local government lord next you've got to require that if you were disclosing a business.

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On your financial disclosure form, you got to include any other names that it's trading under or.

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Doing business as in the state of maryland, this is uh the mml and mako provisions uh regarding your.

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Financial disclosure form, you can accept gifts, you can do that, but you have to disclose them on.

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Your financial disclosure form or dinners again next time, you're at mako, please ask them where.

I

This came from because yeah I will that that's going to be next week, but um for somebody like me.

D

Or whoever comes in here behind me: does that mean itemizing all all of those dinners, because they're.

D

The kids are in, I assume, you're eating them in the presence of the makeup right and same with.

D

Mml yeah same thing so that wouldn't that wouldn't have to be disclosed because you're eating it in.

I

In the presence of them, okay, so what so? What what's a gift? Then? What what's? What's a gift? I.

I

Don't know I mean, did they give you fifty dollars for coming down? I don't know, I don't know where.

D

This came, if you don't get any certainly does not. It does not reflect any anything. I've ever seen at.

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Mako or mml they don't hand out gifts, they don't hand out, they do give awards. But I don't imagine.

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If anything, except the nominal value, so again you get a plaque and a bunch of flowers yeah. That's.

I

Probably not an abnormal value, I think in my mind I was thinking right away of those the off-sites.

A

To dinners you know because they could be very expensive yeah and we are not buying those right.

A

We don't you're, saying we don't have to disclose that as long as you're eating them in the uh the.

I

Presence of the of the donor- okay, okay! Well, that makes it easy. That's! Okay, I'm all about the eating.

I

Yes and uh number eight, it requires you uh to disclose any relationships with the university.

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Of maryland medical system, local governments are quite local, quasi local government agencies again.

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You don't have to disclose your consideration, but if you have a relationship within that has to go.

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On your financial disclosure form and the last, you need to talk to your accountant about this. One.

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It it requires you to disclose um any business entity in which you hold a 10.

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Or greater interest under current law, it's 30 percent, so that's reduced to 10 percent.

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Number two business entity in which you directly or indirectly, through an interest in one or a.

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Combination of other business entities hold a 10 interest or greater and last. In addition,.

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Specified interest of business entities in which you have at least a 10 interest.

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Are considered interest attributable to the individual for purposes of financial disclosure.

I

Because it's something you're going to have to study and look at your, oh I'm not, we won't be.

F

Able to you're not going to get me in 73 days. We won't be able to publish a children's book.

F

And sell it that's where this all came from, unfortunately, so, okay, uh at this point, I'm.

I

Not asking you to vote on them, I'm just asking you to authorize me to proceed to public hearing.

C

Make the motion board of commissioners approved proceeding to public hearing.

C

On the proposed ethics ordinances changes, second,.

A

Okay, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion here. Man I like it.

A

All in favor, oh yeah, but I'll, scrap the shoulders.

A

Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. It'd be nice. If the state just passed the lawn and left, let.

E

Us out of this having to just follow there, it gets all quite confusing, as opposed to a little.

A

Bit of overreach, in some cases they want to do it they're going to do it so just pass the law and.

Q

Then, rather than making us also pass a series of, I see what you're saying right: yeah. Okay, we have.

Q

To follow we're required to follow what they're doing. I guess the same thing you want to make.

C

Sure we know what they're doing yeah okay, let's, uh let's talk about purchasing some turnout gear.

C

We're having money for today, though,.

A

To be a relatively easy one,.

AG

Is we are here this morning to discuss the purchase of turnout gear? I'm going to talk to you, the.

AG

Procurement part of it and then I'll. Let michael and kevin take over the importance of the turnout.

AG

Gear um so the complexity of ordering turnout gear, the different manufacturers, many different.

AG

Sizes needed vendors, not carrying all needed items and the long lead times make it difficult.

AG

To purchase all needed items from one single vendor, we will continue to follow procurement.

AG

Procedures for the purchase of this gear, seeking quotations and or piggybacking existing contracts.

AG

Expanding the county's list of qualified vendors will help get the most cost effective pricing. We.

AG

Are now working with vendors, the fire store, which is part of the whitmore whitmer public safety.

AG

Group fire chasers fire equipment to provide this gear, but these vendors may change or be added to.

AG

A complete set of turnout gear could cost up to 4 580 589 dollars per firefighter.

AG

It's estimated that annual costs will not exceed 900 908 630 dollars.

AG

And we have also been in discussion with the bureau budget and monies have been approved in.

AG

The fy 23 budget, so on my end, I just want to make you aware that we are trying to purchase within.

AG

The procurement procedures, but it's just becoming harder just to find one vendor to purchase all.

AG

The items from so I'm going to turn it over to michael and kevin and let you know how important.

AG

The turnout gear is, and basically we're up against all the supply chain, issues that other every other.

AH

Industry is up against. On top of this, we have the whole pfos issue. All the textiles used in turnout.

AH

Gear have pfos chemicals in them and we're on the cusps of something big coming out on that. So we.

AH

May be in a situation possibly by legislative mandate in the next several years that we may.

AH

Have to replace everything with new technology turnout gear, but in the interim and I'll defer.

AH

To kevin fox or training, health and safety officer, kevin has done all the leg work to try to find the.

AH

Best value for the county and working with maureen, where we are now we've developed.

AH

A process because one of the items we've taken over from the volunteer companies is centralizing.

AH

Everything, so it really creates a lot of price differential compared to what we were paying so.

AH

We're doing all the checks and balances and making sure that we have quality assurance in place.

C

Do they have equipment out now that does not have pfos in it? uh No every everything. That's.

AH

Out there currently contains pfas, I mean even the new stuff that they're selling right now. That's.

AH

That's the challenge and uh I've been involved on a national level. I've spoken to some of the.

AH

National organizations, because they're not doing enough between industry and you know who they're.

AH

Representing to really move this issue forward, so we know about it and then there's the whole.

AH

Dynamic of what's the responsibility and all the other issues that come with that for issuing that.

C

Kind of, hopefully, something comes out in the market. Soon it doesn't have pfos in it.

C

And as we up, you know, turn buy new stuff get rid of the other stuff, but instead of having.

C

To replace it all at one time, absolutely much better something we haven't had to deal with is.

AH

We now have the 10-year replacement cycle, even if it's never been worn every 10 years, the complete.

AH

Set of turnout gear has to be replaced, so this is going to be a recurring expense.

A

You're saying the turnout gear is coming from different vendors.

A

Is the turnout gear reciprocal or whatever the word is? Can we use it from one vendor to another.

A

If something changeable interchangeable yeah, so so what we've done is we're working. These are two.

AI

Vendors that cc visa companies were already using the whitmer and um uh fire chasers and as well as.

AI

We we reached out to another vendor um who's, local as well, and- and I didn't get any replies.

AI

I think it's because they're very busy with other jurisdictions who are using morning pride as well.

AI

um So, um just to let you know we, we are engaging the fire rescue operations committee. There there's.

AI

A subcommittee who's working on ppe or the the turnout gear we're going to look to engage some.

AI

Of the other companies that are out there not necessarily stay confined to morning pride, but.

AI

Look to others who may be working on the pfas issue that we could engage them in.

AI

An early process that that maybe we're on the front lines of this, that we can be one of the.

AI

First jurisdictions to you know openly work with ppe that doesn't have the pfos in it right. We do.

AI

Plan to to possibly participate in a bid process to open us up to vendors out there, so we can get.

AI

You know a much better rate in the future and we're also looking at not just sticking.

AI

To the morning pride so we're the cc visa has a committee that's openly engaging different.

AI

Vendors to see what manufacturers are out there, so that we're just not stuck with this one product.

E

This is about 200, uniform or turnout gear sets right it correct it's about. 230 sets.

AI

You understand whatever it comes out to be, and your store you're going to keep those until.

E

We bring people on board, correct, they won't be purchased because these are custom fit, so they.

AI

Won't be purchased until we have someone who we identify that needs ppe. The the plan is not.

AI

To speak for the director, but the plan is we're working with the companies now that, if they're.

AI

Current employees and they have ppe that that'll transition and come along with them so that we.

AI

Don't have to buy a whole nother set and say cc. Visa has volunteers that need them. Do they.

E

Buy them from you, then yeah. So what we've got your reduced rate when we transitioned in july.

AI

We went to a ppe voucher program, that's how we're accounting for each set, so the company.

AI

Will contact me or the administrative assistant within our office and uh we'll provide them with.

AI

A voucher they give us a name and we give them a voucher, and then they reach out to.

AI

The manufacturer and then I'm sorry, the vendor and then the vendor will come and custom size.

AI

That individual and then they'll order and then they'll, deliver directly to the company. I see it's.

F

Over forty five hundred dollars per firefighter to maintain this equipment, I know that the sheriff's.

F

Department maintains a quartermaster where we have a quarter mastered oversee such expensive.

F

Equipment, yes, we're putting in the fy 24 budget an additional position for fire and ems, and that will.

AH

Be for a quartermaster position and that person will do basically three things: they'll manage all.

AH

The procurement end of things they'll maintain a warehouse and we're working to try to identify a.

AH

Site currently within the county's buildings, and the third thing that we're going to do is we're.

AH

Going to have them trained to become a certified breathing apparatus, technician for repairs. So a.

AH

Lot of the things that were adsourcing now we'll be able to do internally to cut costs as well.

F

Considering how large of an investment this is it's important for us to maintain and short it.

F

Things occasionally walk at different institutions and I'd hate to see anything like that happen here.

B

Well, bureau did we address you as fire chief now or director, I'm a little bit ambiguous.

F

On what to address you as yes do I have to wait for october the 6th all right? Well, I.

F

Want to personally, thank you for providing me a list of all the different fundraising.

F

Activities for fire departments this morning I read off half of them on up to a certain.

F

Date and let your colleagues in the industry know that, as the dates come up, I'll read the.

F

Additional ones in case they're wondering why I didn't mention them, so thank you.

D

So what are you attempting to do today? Get a just a blanket ability to purchase as needed.

AH

Yes and because we don't have any warehousing space available, we want to make sure, because.

AH

Of the lead time, it's about anywhere from two to six months to get this and with the.

AH

10-Year anniversary, coming every day, typically for somebody, we want to be able to make it as.

AH

User friendly, as we can, and it's similar to what the volunteers have been doing, the value is we've.

AH

Cut the cost by centralizing it so we're trying to maintain their specifications and everything.

AH

They've been doing and we're going to extend that to our new employees as needed so yeah. This will.

AH

Essentially, give us a blanket coverage for this physical year to do what we need to do to procure.

AH

You know the right gear through the correct vendor, based on delivery time. The other needs.

D

So that's completely different than what we've done before with everything else, but.

D

It's about it's in my mind: it's the only way to do it, because I don't know how else you're.

D

Going to be able to do it so and we're you know we're a struggle, uncharted orders. Now I can't.

D

Even imagine for you how it's you know, that's that's challenging for you guys so um kevin.

AG

And I have spent a lot of time on the phone, a lot of emails, a lot of quality time together.

AH

Yep- and I had a meeting over at manchester a couple weeks ago, just to illustrate how this.

AH

Works and while I was there, one of their vendors was there with all the samples and.

AH

He had four or five people lined up. This is about seven o'clock at night, so the vendors.

AH

That we have are pretty reliable in terms of the service delivery, so you know part of the.

AH

Overhead that they have is the one vendor is all the way out in frostburg, so they're.

AH

It's their time, their travel, everything else, which is all inclusive in the price.

AH

um And actually that vendor in frostburg was cheaper than one of the local vendors that we'll.

AH

Be using so we're doing what we can to assure that we have cost effectiveness with all of this.

D

All right: well, I again it's different, but for those that closely watch these things.

D

That occur, I hope they understand it's. The only viable means of being able to.

D

Acquire this equipment, so it's this pfas thing is, is huge. Yes, and you know we're.

D

Talking about a small amount compared to a lot of jurisdictions that are going to have to.

D

I don't know what they're going to do, but whatever good luck, yeah and last year in the.

AH

Legislative session, because that was originally in there as you're aware um costing it at it.

AH

Would have been about a six million dollar investment if, if we get a mandate that you.

AH

Can no longer use that that's what it would cost for everybody that currently has that turnout gear.

D

It's going to be a wild ride. I'll make the motion. We approve the purchase of.

D

Turnout gear by the most cost, efficient means by following carroll, county's procurement procedures,.

D

Second, with a good luck on that motion, you got a motion. I got a second.

A

Any discussion seem to hear none all in favor.

L

Aye, okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let's move into.

A

Open admin do we have anything for? Well? I apologize any public comment there. Chris no.

P

Commenters. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, anything for open admin uh for the record. I will not be at the.

D

uh 7 p.m: public: hearing, uh okay, I will I will see I will look at it afterwards, uh but I have.

D

A commitment uh with fall fest this evening that I cannot do better right unless I use my phone.

D

Going down main street, but I'd probably trip over the railroad tracks. I should go like this with it.

D

Yeah speaking of the railroad tracks, there was a huge deal made about the railroad tracks being.

D

Closed and everybody was and then it didn't happen, it's going to happen. Okay, I just they put it off.

C

Because school just started and the new bus routes and everything else: okay, when it's all that gets.

C

Settled it will happen okay, so if I trip tonight so they knew you would be marching responsible.

F

It'll be on video. I have no no idea. Okay. Well, I just want to go on. I will watch the hearing.

D

After it's because we record those so watch it afterwards, okay, anything else for public.

A

Hearing or public excuse me open admin. Okay, let's uh come on up. Let's talk about uh agendas.

A

On uh monday september, 26th, nothing is scheduled.

A

On tuesday september 27th, commissioner lance and I will be attending the carroll county.

A

Realtor 66th annual installation and luncheon on wednesday, nothing scheduled on thursday. Thank you.

A

We have open sessions, starting at nine submission acceptance of the burn justice assistance grant.

A

From the board of elections rezoning case 226, the max suite property rezoning case.

A

227, the mjy investments the amount and no, we already did the mount airy annexation. Yes and.

A

The hamster dying station we both approved today uh installation of the northern.

A

Landfill cell 3 rain, flap from gpw and then we'll be purchasing an f4 f-150, potentially.

A

Truck vehicles and ford police explorers at 4 30, uh the 50th anniversary of the ccysb.

A

um Commissioner weaver wentz and I will be attending on saturday, we say nope to dope.

A

Walk and softball game, commissioner frazier will be attending on sunday. Commissioner, lance.

A

Has the podcast following week, monday, wow october? Third, nothing is scheduled.

A

Tuesday october 4th we begin our credit rating agency visits. Commissioner weaver and I will be.

A

Participating in that on wednesday, I'll continue with the credit rating agency.

A

Visits with commissioner lance and weaver participating and then planning commission.

A

Which will be virtual that evening, commissioner wentz will be participating in that thursday.

A

Is uh a mako maryland association county's retreat, commissioner lance will be attending. We will be an.

A

Open session well beforehand, there'll be a chamber meeting with anabon basu chamber of.

A

Commerce is hosting commissioner weaver and I will be attending at 8 a.m. You'd add me to that.

C

As well and commissioner frazier at nine o'clock, we go into open session. We have to change the time.

T

Yeah, I think it's going to probably be 10 but we'll push it um chapter, 155 ordinance, um land.

A

And resource management, chris hein chapter 37, fire, ems, medical services, fire ems, mr robinson, director,.

A

Robinson, those are both public hearings, those yeah I apologize you're right, just making sure public.

A

Hearings and then um request to go to public hearing unemployment campus solar text, amendment.

A

We have scheduled a work session for ag and conservation districts after we gather all of.

A

The comments, some of which we heard this morning, which I will also miss, which I'm a little bit.

D

Concerned about, but because of timing, you guys do what you need to do.

T

Just take a look I mean I can. I can submit comments, yeah, no, we'll just refer to have it.

A

Yeah, whatever you want to do, there is fine, you have a vested, you have a vested interest and.

A

We want to do it right. um You'll continue on to make a retreat. Commissioner, lance.

A

On friday, on saturday westminster fire department opened house, commissioner frazier.

A

Will be attending eagle scout dante, tapia, which are just really honored and humbled to attend.

A

Commissioner, weaver will be participating in that one up in hampstead, bull and oyster, roast.

A

To benefit skills, usa, boosters, commissioner boucher will be attending that.

A

Sunday, commissioner weaver has the podcast and commissioner boucher will be attending the.

A

Homestead foundation, annual meeting and brunch okay did I miss anything.

A

Let's see this uh evening, we're going to reconvene at 7 pm.

A

For public hearing on the comprehensive rezoning text, amendments with that said.

A

I need a get some motion to recess until 7 pm, I'm over recess till 7 pm. Second, okay, all in favor, aye.

A

Against yeah I mean 4-1.