Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 17 Mar 2022

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And uh happy saint patty's, day and uh hogsmail to uh all those celebrating purim and of having a.

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Festive purim uh today, as well uh as always, let's um start off by saying the pledge and continue.

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To share our thoughts and I will share my prayers regarding ukraine.

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And the strife happening there there are up to three million displaced individuals.

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That have fled that country at this point, so we've got to get somewhere with it, but until then.

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We can't boil the ocean, we can take care of our community. So let's uh stand for the pledge.

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Of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, it doesn't matter what the pundits say, the news says it all and uh if you hadn't had the.

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Opportunity to listen to president zielinski talk to congress. It was probably one of the.

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Most powerful speeches given to congress from a foreign leader and uh yeah. I think that was.

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Yesterday morning, around nine or so, but I'm sure it's available- let's uh go with priority carol and.

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um Start with commissioner boucher how to etiquette. Thank you very much good morning.

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uh I want to talk about the 29th this month. We're going to do our first.

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Walk in the park at cape horn park up in hampstead, commissioner weaver's district at 6 pm the evening.

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We're trying to initiate getting people out to the parks, walk. The weather is changing.

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We want to be healthy, we've been cooped up inside so on. The 30th we'll have partnership.

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For healthier carroll county come before us with park and rex, and talk about the program and doing.

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The viewing, but the day before we all kick it off with a walk at cape horn park, 6 p.m, march, 29th.

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If you can, I look forward to you coming on out there. I don't know if mr swam has anything for me.

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If you do bring it up, let's see what we have here. We, I did a tour of both winters.

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Mill high school- and this is the principal and law of staff- miss mckee, mr streaker and two counselors.

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When we had our joint board meeting with the board of ad, I asked about the mental health.

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Resources that the school has for our students, they so graciously gave me a chance to do a tour.

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I met with the counselors and I'm learning a lot about the resources they have and the resources.

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That are available and then last night I went out to the same school for here's. The robert moon.

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School met with the principal and our counselors out there and there's a piece of artwork.

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Lots of wonderful people, they have a lot of challenges to face with the children, post, covid.

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And we're looking forward to giving them all the resources and support they need, and last night I.

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Went out to winters mill for navigating difficult waters, they had a lot of exhibitors access carol.

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Boys and girls club family support mediation, and they showed all the resources that are available.

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For students and parents to tap into- and I set in on one of them- it was matching time.

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It was sponsored through the student government association. They did a wonderful presentation.

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A lot of students were active, putting these programs together. I want a big big applause to.

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All the children out there help participate. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you, commissioner. Weaver.

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um First of all, cape horn is on the line that is in district one, because the line runs right up. Oh.

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I'm sorry so correct myself, that is, commissioner lance's district. It's 1.5 district 1.5.

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It should be district 2, but anyway it will be aside from that. The veterans council uh met.

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Tuesday and uh they had a very interesting meeting very good meeting first time, they've met.

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Back live in a while and they are really uh up and running again. uh I guess one of the biggest.

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Things is our veteran celebration coming uh may 15th. That committee has met a weekly.

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uh Since for a month here- and they have this put together so well with the farm museum.

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Helping the um do all the arrangements as far as people coming in vendors and things there's some.

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Interesting displays being put together, so I'm really happy with that committee and where they.

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Are this is becoming uh a huge undertaking and uh I I don't know uh people are getting the word out.

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Like crazy right at the present time, so this is going to be, I think um one of our bigger events.

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Here in carroll county- and it follows, along with carroll county becoming just unbelievable, with.

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The model for what they do for veterans in the county, whether it's homeless veterans, whether it's.

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Veterans in need, whether it's veterans just with families just want to be able to meet each other.

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And service organizations are phenomenal in carroll county so uh kudos to that that group.

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Okay, thank you, commissioner, wentz so good morning, uh daylight savings time.

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And they're talking about maybe making it permanent now, which apparently that's.

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Getting through congress in a bipartisan fashion, which is anyway, we'll see what happens with that.

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uh It's been a few busy uh days for me, uh met with carroll community college yesterday, at their.

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Board meeting a lot of interesting information came out of that. I will say that it started out.

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With a student pres presentation by alex david zarta, who I'm not even sure what the presentation.

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Was on but it was protons and neutrons in a separator or diffuser. If you will uh being.

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uh Blasted together and they're studying the effects of what that does and there's a huge.

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Device being built in new york uh anyway, the the bottom line with this student was.

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You talk about impressive, I mean this. This guy is just unbelievable, uh so he's.

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He gave a a presentation and had everybody just wowed with that he's going to go on to.

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Well, he's got a whole bunch of choices. He's been accepted at like three different.

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Universities already so just an impressive individual at carroll community college.

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And, as dr ball said last night after he was done, we can all now say that we knew you when.

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You remember your inorganic chemistry now yeah so anyway, moving on nice to see you all uh anyway,.

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uh So, anyway, that it's just impressive as to what uh a lot of these students that are coming.

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Out of these, these, uh the community colleges are are, are capable of, and uh just you know,.

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Wanted to share that it was very impressive, so I always enjoy going to college uh enrollment.

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At uh at uh community colleges around the state down uh and we'll be hearing more about that.

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When we get into our budget uh uh presentations- and uh it's it's interesting uh where this.

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Country is headed to this point when it comes to uh to college colleges, and then that was.

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Kind of highlighted yesterday when the governor uh decided that degrees aren't necessary for some.

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Employment opportunities in the state, so it's just very interesting how all that is.

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Is right now at the at the uh the top of the the list of things that we're focusing on so more to.

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Come on that, but it's always a pleasure to be at the college, also uh met deep into the night.

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uh With the emergency services advisory council, a lot of information coming out of there and as.

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We continue the transition or building towards the transition. If you will a lot of challenges.

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And we'll share more of that as we as we go along as well. Let me just touch on covid real, quick.

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I know everybody's sick and tired of hearing about it. As you can tell this morning, I can now.

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Do go like this and touch or slap both of my colleagues. Our plexiglas is gone. uh I just want.

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Folks to be mindful, uh there's we're talking about this in a lot of places and uh it's not over yet.

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So we still need to be very mindful, but I want to say that we need to continue to tell folks that.

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I think vaccinations are the way that we're going to get out of this and apparently there's another.

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Strain that they're looking at- and I don't even want to get into that so just be mindful.

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Also be respective of those uh I heard an incident the other day.

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Of someone that was shamed as a result of the fact that they had a mask on.

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I don't even know where to go with that. It's just ridiculous, but it's it's. I guess where.

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This country is these days. It doesn't seem to be any filters. The masks don't even seem to filter.

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Anybody, so anybody anyway, uh just be mindful of that and be respectful as we as we go through. That.

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And uh to you ed uh with um when you brought up for our moment of silence today, I don't even.

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Know where to go with that either, I know we like to concentrate on the local level.

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And for us to sit here and banter about what's going on at the national level,.

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uh Is is beyond what we should be doing, but um the the pictures and the and.

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And the uh the news that you see coming out of there, I don't get it, I just don't get it.

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And maybe that goes to what I just said: why why do we all have to be fighting one another these days.

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Can't we all just get along, but it's sad and I had my granddaughter in my arms last night, who's.

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Just turned one and seeing some of those pictures come out of there.

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I I don't I just I don't I don't get it so anyway. uh That's all that I have stay safe out there. It's.

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Supposed to be a pretty nice weekend looks like the temperatures are going to be cooperative now.

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And that's a good thing so as more folks go outside and you know we, we move things out.

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There just be mindful and be safe as you move throughout your outdoor activities.

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Okay, thank you, commissioner fraser, and I can follow that. But I'll try.

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I'll try so back to you ed, at a tac meeting this this week and uh they're getting things back up.

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They're opening the routes up they're having more ridership, but they really need drivers. They really.

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Need drivers they're having trouble hiring just like everyone else is a cdl is not required. They.

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Will take you to a to a training course, because this bus is a little bit bigger than your car.

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So it'd be nice to know how to drive and so forth, but you know there's no additional. Besides that.

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Training required to do this if people that are looking for a second career do other jobs. They.

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Need drivers when they get drivers, they can open up more routes back up up again. What's.

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Holding them up, is they don't have the personnel right now and that's. I know, that's the same.

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Everywhere, but it's just the way it is also was at the westminster uh city council meeting.

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Whatever night that was this week, I'd like to to say they're, concentrating on hu highway user.

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Revenues as well as mako and everybody else, they'd like to see some of that money get back. They had.

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People they a couple. People went down to testify when you were down to commissioner lance um so.

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It's it's a joint effort between mako and mml. Try to get highway user revenues back up to where they.

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Were because they're needed they're there needed now with this tax uh gas tax thing that the.

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People down annapolis are trying to put a stop on for 30 to 90 days.

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You know it's going to take about almost 100 million dollars out of that, but I have to say.

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The state has money in the rainy day fund to put plug that money back in. They have billions.

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They really do so. They could do this and not not miss a beat, but it's up to them how they do it.

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I also have to say that we don't have the petitions up any longer.

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I have to say I like it, I have I I can't I just I missed the way he was. I was didn't realize.

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How nice it was without him, but also say I voted against having the petitions taken down, but you.

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Notice, I didn't go to facebook and complain about my vote being overrun and all the other stuff and.

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You guys trampling over me, it happens. We're aboard let's work together I'll. You know I have to say I.

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Do like I'm not touching lance or anything, but I do like it that the uh people might not want to.

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Yeah, but that the petitions are down, you need a hug. Commissioner, that's okay! That's.

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Okay, so I just you know just let's all work together for this and covet it's not over.

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Now, at the tac meeting we have a representative from the health department. Was there and she said.

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That the number of people getting vaccinated and people being tested is really really down, so I.

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Said well, what are the numbers she said around 10 a day for each. So that's really really going.

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Down a lot and it's going down because covet is kind of leaving. Hopefully the new strain doesn't.

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Kick it back up and so forth? We don't know what will happen, but things are heading in the right.

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Direction, let's keep moving that way. That's all I have. I appreciate it and uh I think you're getting.

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A promotion from most of us that vaccines work and uh you know doing the right things to minimize the.

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Impact of covid in our community works, and we owe it to ourselves our families, our neighbors.

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And our community to continue to uh to do what is right, and uh so I I appreciate hearing that.

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um Also, you know I heard about the the boards and commissions and those that participated.

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I'd say and I'm looking at the entire community: we cannot do it without you. We cannot reach the.

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Insight and candidness thoughtfulness ideas that you should the carroll counties provide to allow.

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Us to make decisions, so I applaud all of you uh that are on these boards and commissions.

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If you want to participate more, please let us know. I really applaud my colleagues in their.

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Participation because it is so valuable to bring that back that information thanks chris. There is.

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Online uh resources to reach out there's also opportunities to reach any one of us.

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uh Directly and we will provide our insight for these boards, but um we have a diverse community.

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And the only way we can do it well enough is uh with you at the at the helm and leading together.

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uh With us, so that's my plea for that um mentioned may 15th. I appreciate that commissioner weaver.

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And all the leadership you're providing in uh getting us to may 15th with the veterans events.

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uh We mentioned ukraine, um I think chris, do you have any uh pictures you want to share.

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It was a very active week um if you do, I'm not sure if you do or not.

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Nope there you go so team ted is the winner battle of the books. um You know has been ongoing uh event.

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Here in carroll county well, there was an event uh this past week, which was an adult battle of books.

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Held at 1623 down in eldersburg uh one, if you haven't been to 1623, it's an awesome place. uh You.

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Know- and I think it's some of the best beer, you're gonna get and uh craft beer and some real novel.

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Beers, uh so I had to partake just let you know uh that is the uh team winners with uh team ted.

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In the uh with ted in the middle um and roberta- and I had the pleasure of uh you- know, sharing the.

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Photo with them so really congratulations to all those yeah that was that was pretty funny. I think.

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He was worried. I was going to be kissing him on the cheeks, which I did not do so. You look happier.

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It was, it was a lot of fun so yeah, that is a team. It was a stack team, but it went to was stacked.

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Sudden death they they had to participate in a uh in a question. You know playoff, so, okay, what else.

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You got chris, and commissioner boucher was also in attendance and then uh yesterday afternoon.

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One of the luxuries we have, uh I believe, as our colleagues is recognizing our eagle scouts.

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And our girl scouts that have done some just amazing things: this young lady, her name's leanne,.

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Next year, she'll be going to university, alabama roll tide and she for her project create a.

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All-Weather pantry, that is located behind the public library in eldersburg and.

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She partnered with a local church the church on white rock. It is a pantry that will be.

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Continuously filled and anyone at any time can go, get the needs. They think you know the the food.

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Or staples that they need out of that pantry, because a lot of these pantries and food programs.

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Had hours to them, this is a 24 7 operation. What's also really cool about. This is.

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It's anonymous, she did not want her name on this. uh She wanted she's just signed to the left is.

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Recognizing those that have donated some of the uh hardware, but it is you know an anonymous.

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Project and I'll tell you sometimes you want to do something. Sometimes you need to. I really felt like.

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I needed this yesterday and congratulating her and I said to her that she came up with a complex.

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Problem of how do we deal with hunger and came up with a relatively simple solution, and that is.

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Making it a 24 7 box, um I'd like to talk to the libraries and the senior centers and.

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This is a very low cal low cost opportunity to maybe have these in other locations around the.

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County because uh that's one of the problems we have is the the hours of these services.

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Are limited this way the community? There are a lot of them scattered throughout the county.

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Now that are open, 24 7. are they yeah yeah? This is just great and what a powerful young.

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Lady, she is so again, congratulations, leanne and that's all I have. I love leaving it on a high.

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Note, and even with a higher note, let's get mr fowler up here with his bright orange tie.

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uh So I think he just wants to get pinched or something. But you know orange is green for you.

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I worked for uh many years ago for a fellow named uh bill, mccarty and everything uh st.

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Patrick's day he wore an orange sweater just to be honoree. So that's for your honorary mr mccarty.

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So we got two weeks to crossover so there's a lot of voting going on right now, um very active.

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Redistricting, you probably know the primary has been moved to again july 19th and I believe I.

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Don't I'm not certain of this, but I think the filing deadline is removed as well april. 22Nd.

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April, I think the 15th 15th I think, tax day, just a coincidence,.

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It's actually not tax day, just in case anybody picks that up it's it's the 18th um there's a.

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I forget why the 50 there's some holiday, that's the 15th, but I forget what it is and.

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And uh so it's 18th in all states, except for massachusetts and maine.

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And it's the 19th because they celebrate patriots day on the 18th.

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You did your homework thanks for the clarification.

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Highway user revenue, so I used to think that ted zolewski was.

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Overly cynical about the general assembly, I think, he's actually the oracle of delphi.

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So we had this massive of landing in annapolis by all the counties and municipalities and.

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Talking about how important this was, so the house voted through leadership, amen on this bill.

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And cut it down very very significantly, so what it means to carol is under the current status.

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You'd end up with 2.7 million annually. This gives you another half. Half a million.

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It would have been up to 13.4 if you got full restoration, so the.

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Senate version was intended to be voted on thursday, tuesday night.

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Senator mccray is the senate sponsor. He was not there for whatever reason.

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And so they didn't vote on the bill, but it was clear from their discussion when they talked about.

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It's almost like the feel entitled to this money.

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And um didn't we pay the bill? It was. It was uh kind of shocking, actually.

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So so they didn't really talk much about the bill. Other than um that you know they need to do.

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Something and they will do something- and that was the biggest commitment that you know I could hear.

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Do they still have the sunset on on the yeah yeah? Yes, did they move? Did they move? The move? Dates are.

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Moved down: okay but yeah, but it's still a suns yeah, so you're going to be facing that issue.

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Again right, I think the municipalities might have made out better actually in this, this new.

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New uh new bill so- and I mentioned to you, there's a senator washington, baltimore city, also put in.

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How we use the revenue bill and her numbers were.

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I think they were kind of picked out of the air. I think she did a lot of.

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Deep dive on the numbers, so that was part of the discussion in the hearing too so.

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All he all the chairman would say is you know they're going to do something, but you know they.

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Have to continue look at the out years. That was the talk the out years, the out here so.

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Are you insinuating, I'm sorry yeah, it's called kicking the can.

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Are you insinuating, the senate, couldn't save us or conference committee to get the numbers up or.

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Well, yeah it's possible, but it's not going to be anywhere near full restoration, okay and that's.

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That's pretty clear: we have a little bit of hope. It could go up, it could but not be what we would.

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Potentially expect yeah and the so-called leadership amendments. Are they just house.

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Leadership does it include the senate um after I heard the senate committee talk, I'm not so sure.

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They're necessarily in agreement, so we got to keep our eyes on this.

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It's hard to know where it's going to end up, but wherever it is, it's not going to be anywhere near.

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What we hoped for what we anticipated um so mr zaleski was right: the oracle of delphi.

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Yes, right again, keep in mind the counties as a whole across the state.

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Operate and maintain more miles of road than the state. Yes, they do, and that was one of my points.

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When I testified because carol has actually taken over some of the state roads here in carroll.

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And I well, I'm just senator young made the same argument. Okay in that senate discussion.

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That they've done the same thing in the city of frederick 355 and route 40 yeah.

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They took over and you know it was never set in stone, but the expectation was always there.

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That the money would continue, yeah and old liberty, uh middleburg used to be a site. Recycling.

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Street old, washington, that's still a state, but the intent is to transition it to right. The town.

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851 yeah, no, I absolutely agree yeah. I tried to hit it from a little bit different perspective.

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With that, because the numbers can can get overwhelming and I I get that.

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But uh my complete disappointment is the fact that I have never.

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Ever in the seven and a half years that I've been down there seen a more bipartisan.

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Experience where everyone came together and there was no begging there was there was. You know.

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Clearly this was taken away. Even jonio said his his was very interesting. He said.

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Look, I was a legislator when, when the funds were taken away, was it right at the time.

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But I'm here to tell you now that it's it's, it needs to come back to us so.

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There were things like that that came out in all that testified.

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And it goes well you've heard me say it before it's just very disappointing, because when you.

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Talk about highway user revenue, where the rubber hits the road or whatever you want to call it.

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They're completely missing that in the general assembly.

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And this is a classic example of the disconnect between the locals and the general assembly.

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And it's it's sad and I don't know what is going to change that ever it's been that way.

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But this one especially was very uh disappointing. Well, you talk about the bipartisan line and.

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Everyone from the other side of the aisle that was on that bill for full restoration.

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Voted for the amended bill, so they vote as a block. Whatever the issue is they vote as a block.

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They never peel off without permission. They are very disciplined in their ranks extremely.

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Difficult is there, is there a distribution formula set up for basically like linear miles.

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Of roads for jurisdiction or is it arbitrary, I mean what type of formula they have to ensure.

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Justice that we're all getting the right amounts yeah. I I don't. I honestly don't know how that.

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Calculation is made it's made for all 24. it'd be nice. If there was some sort of formula.

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Justifiable how many linear miles of roads we had yeah? I don't know what it's based on politics.

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I mean baltimore city has a a unique situation and they they handle all of the state roads.

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In the city right and uh they're, they're hurting too so yep anyway, that's that's bad news. Yep bad.

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News you're a wet blanket yeah totally when you said highlights it's not unexpected. No, it's! I.

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Mean it's not unexpected. It's just not good news. We just thought because of the efforts that was so.

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Unique I mean not even this one would be that this would be different, but clearly even this.

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Won't change how things operate, yeah and mako thought. Maybe they could push compromise. Maybe.

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Get two-thirds back montgomery county didn't even have no. They weren't testifying with you.

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I didn't see anybody from my company, I think so yeah, of course not. I mean this is prince george.

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Prince george's was there, but now yeah, but this is yeah anyway. Okay, okay,.

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So um yeah the the bill, the election bill actually had its title changed because it was amended so.

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Heavily, there were a lot of other things in there. Besides, the 50 50 funding, split.

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So that's the only thing that remained in the bill, so they changed the the title.

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The house version before it got voted on. It was a floor amendment to strike that limitation on.

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Moving the the primary two weeks out because the court had already done it, so it was a move point.

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um So so that's that's going to go through. That's that's good news! That's what it is! No movement on.

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The ambulance reimbursement, um a lot of activity on family and medical leave, so the senate voted.

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Through their version, they amended the 50 50 employer, employee split into this insurance fund.

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I had heard 80 20- I read now at 75 25, so it's somewhere in that area.

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Where the employee has to actually contribute more.

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But on the house side the sponsor of the bill is the chair, the committee chair and he amended his.

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Bill to be a commission to study over the interim, because so many of the because the the economic.

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Environment has changed so significantly since the last task force looked at this in 2017.

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He made sure to say that it's not a stall tactic or trying to kick the can it's really to get.

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A handle on where we are economically and the funds are where they should be, and that these you.

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Know the splits are where they should be so not sure who's going to win out in that argument, but.

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I'm going to put my money on him and maybe I should ask ted who he thinks is going to win.

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And so I I gave you a pretty lengthy summary.

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Of the climate bill, because I want you to have that background.

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I highlighted the things that are impactful to the county.

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And again, this is the senate version. The house has their bills in their multiple bills that basically.

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Comprise what this senate bill tries to do? Which is interesting, because they were almost across.

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The finish line last session and they just ran out of time, so my thought was they'd be getting.

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Together during the interim and come in united, but that's not the way they did it, so I think.

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There are maybe three or four bills that have aspects of what's here in them. So now it's through.

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The senate, it's over in the house and I think that's where the work begins now on the house.

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But so the landfills I mentioned the landfill tea before because they had some concerns.

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uh I I think that most of their concerns have been kind of mitigated to some extent.

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There was a initial proposal in the bill to institute the california methane admission.

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Standards for landfills, which were very strict and would have been very costly.

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That's been stricken out of the bill, but mde is going to write the emissions standards so.

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That remains to be seen what they do. One of the concerns was if they were more strict or stricter.

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That there would be a cost associated with that, so what the bill does is say if the difference in.

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uh In getting the air emissions and the ground emissions data in sync, if that's.

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The cost of doing that based on the new standards is more expensive. Then the state will reimburse 50.

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Of that differential right, so if it costs 50 000 to meet the standard.

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Under under existing standards and mde under mde standards, it costs a hundred thousand.

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Then they would, they would give you 50 of that 50 000 difference. uh Do they have any way to achieve.

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Climate equity, uh climate equity isn't even true, it's not even defined so this this bill.

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Is full of environmental justice, climate justice, climate equity, environmental equity.

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In the end, it's all cost us more money to our landfill, most likely too.

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That's that's what concerns me, because we have lots of this project, and this is hanging over our.

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Head and we don't know how it will hit our bottom line to implement the expansion of our landfill.

G

Yeah, it is said that that the emissions from landfill are greater than the data.

G

Suggest they are underestimated is the way it's described so.

G

They'll take air measurements, they'll compare the ground measurements if they're more than.

G

25 percent out of sync, they got to study it find a way to either explain it get them in sync. You.

G

Know take action to to get them then. Ultimately, whatever comes out of this, their staff will inform.

D

Us in a briefing or something let us know how it impacts us. Yes, especially in the course of events.

G

They're watching it closely uh yeah, and I think that the this cost differential um reimbursement.

G

um Is something that that cliff angle was pushing to to get mako to to get an amen and all that so.

G

Good, I don't know if it was all that he wanted, but at least it got addressed to some degree also zero.

G

Missions, school buses so beginning in fiscal year, 25 a board of education can contract for purchase.

G

A bus, that's not a zero emissions bus. So what does that mean? It's electric bus right also.

G

They can't a bus can't be used if it has an in-service date of uh after 2024 or after.

G

The first of the year 2024., so you can use buses that are currently in the fleet right.

G

But if the, if a diesel bus goes into service, it can't go into service after that date, all.

G

Right so you can't put a new bus, a new diesel bus into the fleet, which is a cost.

G

So cost of new buses- and I guess you'll- run the diesel buses until the wheels fall.

G

There there are some, as you see there are some exemptions. You know, I think, on the eastern shore.

G

The range is pretty wide, pretty a lot of miles traveled by a bus, so if it can't make that in.

G

A single charge, then there's going to be some some cover given to that um and then, if, if.

G

They, if the differential cost, if the board can't get additional funding to cover that.

G

Difference they may not have to do it so there at least there's a little bit of relief. There.

G

uh A lot around energy performance standards for buildings, for commercial and multi-family.

G

Buildings, so the the building industry was very vocal about being able to meet.

G

The original standards that were within the bill, which is total electrification.

G

I mean that is really still. The intent here is to get get our society or get.

G

In maryland is to get maryland off of fossil fuels, so that's the transportation sector. That's the.

G

Building sector right do away with natural gas, with propane with oil for heating. That's really.

G

The intent but and that's where the bill started out was phasing out all of those fossil fuels. Well,.

G

That's still the intent actually, um but the state had intended the bill is to get to net.

G

Zero, which you know there are offsets associated with that we're following california. Basically.

G

Essentially, emulating, essentially yes, yes, so you know, buildings have to have to be lead. Silver.

G

There's there's one in there a little further down you'll see about schools. So if you build a school.

G

Any school you build or schools, plural you build between july of next year and.

G

July of 2033 at least one of them has to be a net zero building.

G

And that can be waived if there are site constraints right, you can't you can't.

G

Build it if the site doesn't allow you to do that or if, if you can't cover the cost.

G

Difference between building a high performance, school and building a net zero school then.

G

This net zero grant fund, that's being established, may be able to assist in making up that difference.

G

Help you make them so they know going into this. That's all costs more for us to do these buildings.

G

Well, on the other hand, it's possible that the operating costs will be less down the road, so at.

G

The end of the life of the building it may be less expensive. I'd be interested to see the charts have.

D

Adjusted right, it's still capital versus operating right. You still have to look at it that way.

G

And then property tax, I talked about a bill that would exempt.

G

Property tax for community solar on rooftops or brownfields, or parking lot canopies. Well, that's.

G

That's part of this, so it is limited though it's uh it's only. Those.

G

Installations that I think there's a year, I think you can't take applications after the end of 2024.

G

So it's about 18 months. If someone comes in in that 18-month period, then they would be eligible.

G

To be exempt under those circumstances, and then the project would be exempt for the life of the.

G

Project- and I think we said last time- we didn't have any community solar at this time, but we may.

G

We have um the ability, but I don't know of any that's been.

K

Completed yeah, but we have a community solar um ordinance that allows you to do it.

G

And then so there are, there are some final recommendations or directives. I guess is probably.

G

More appropriate um sort of the end of the bill. So that's why I say when the bill is really.

G

Aiming that's really what the bill is aiming is to is to go to an all-electric building code.

G

To to get the state more involved in the utility planning so that the utilities can can.

G

Build out the grid in order to meet this increased demand and that it's really to to essence in.

G

Essence get rid of natural gas as a fuel, um and when you do that, you have stranded assets because.

G

You've all got all that equipment and pipes in the ground. That is it's an asset. It's got to be.

G

Written off and if you'll remember back in 2000, when we did electric restructuring, you had power.

G

Plants that were stranded assets and the customers paid for those, because a utility is cost based.

G

And customers are basically paying the cost, and so we'll have to see how that goes. But anyway, a very.

G

Very societal, changing policy and a lot to be digested. I do find it quite ironic that.

D

The generation of electricity is created by the burning of fossil fuels so having.

D

Electricity does not necessarily reduce the consumption of fossil fuels, it actually increases.

F

I won't say anything, but you need to do a little bit more research, so I can oh, I have to say.

D

I work with the utility industry. Okay, what else? That's all I have for you today.

G

Oh the priority letter. Yes, so there was a suggestion that the city of westminster.

G

Right would add, be able to add their westminster trail project. Yes,.

A

Thanks so when he can't answer the things you're there.

G

I'm going to look immediately, that's a good answer. So there are. There are two issues.

G

That's that's one, um but that's an easy fix yeah. So so, let's, let's focus on that. Okay.

A

Let's see that one so there's um an added trail in westminster wants to be put onto the priority.

A

List right, the wayfield trail, they put it last. We already have two trails, I believe on there already.

F

Correct- and this would be the third and they're they're- understand it's gonna- if, if we put it.

F

On it's gonna be last on the thing they just want it on there, because if it's on there, then.

F

They're eligible to get some ear marks for some aid somehow another, so that's why they would.

F

Like to see it on there, okay is there any issue on this? No, it's not too late for you to add that mary.

L

No and I sent the language up, you should, I think, do they have it in front of them. Sorry.

A

Okay, that that's okay, yeah I mean you could say yes for what that's right. It's no problem to put.

L

It in now it hasn't been sent to the secretary yet right: okay, okay, I think it's a great idea. Yep.

A

So you're making a motion to do that or dennis says: okay make a motion that we had.

F

The wakefield valley trail to our um what's the name of the letter c, the ctp project.

L

You had to see in your ctp letter. I will second that okay, I got a motion. Second, any.

A

Discussion, I think I appreciate that all in favor, okay now, the second part, two part two.

G

uh The priorities were switched in the letter, so route 97 now has become the top.

G

Priority- and I hope mary's here to correct me, if I'm inaccurate and how I describe it but.

G

Because the the changes that came out of the red line, cancellation means that there's a.

G

Scoring process now, and so in order to get that project scored, there has to be a feasibility study.

G

Conducted so the the reason for moving 97 up was to get the funds for the feasibility study so.

G

The chapter 30 scoring can be done and continue to move the project forward. So.

G

Several of our delegates have expressed concern about the change in that priority.

G

And they don't understand why it was done. So I had a discussion this morning with delegate krebs and.

G

Let her know what the rationale was. She still had some outstanding questions do does does sha.

G

Or mdot know this: do they understand why the priorities being changed? Those kinds of questions.

G

So what I committed to was to ask linda and mary, to put together a letter that lays out the.

G

Rationale for this and get that in their hands and if they have additional questions, they still want.

G

To talk it through, we can schedule a zoom call with them, and- and can you talk but as it stands.

G

Now they don't want to sign the the letter without understanding why that priority was changed.

G

Okay, so I'm here to ask why we even need them to sign the letter. Well, it's state funds and.

G

Typically, as I understand it, it carries more weight. If you have the delegation behind.

G

The request, I doubt very seriously if the state pays attention to that, I know for a.

B

Fact that we're only one of about three jurisdictions that even takes that step.

B

The the amount of work that our staff puts into this.

B

The amount of knowledge that our staff has when it comes to putting this letter together is unequaled.

B

And I think it's a tad bit of a slap in the face to have our legislators, who don't.

B

Understand what the work content is or what the meaning of it is to even question it. So.

B

I'm here to entertain that we just stopped that we discussed this about five years ago.

B

It came really close to not having them do that any longer, but I don't know what the purpose of.

B

It is any longer again clearly, I believe our staff knows the county very well. Our staff works with.

B

This with these projects day in and day out, and knows exactly where they should be on this list.

B

It's not a matter of who gets what first and I believe that's the mindset.

B

Of a couple of the delegates that well wait a minute, it's you know, does that mean that this.

B

That this is going to happen before that one, if you clearly under, if you clearly.

B

Explain to them what the answer was and there's still questions. I have a challenge with that.

B

Because, clearly, that identifies exactly why we did that because it needs to get the scoring.

B

It's years and years away, if ever happening, but if it doesn't have the scoring it's never going.

B

To happen so I I'm challenged with this, uh and I think I think it's disrespectful to our staff.

F

I think we should move the letter on without their signatures. I don't think it's necessary well. Yeah.

A

Please, I'm sorry, that's good. Now I um I understand and I understand the concerns uh I don't agree. I.

A

Think the more advocacy we can achieve in using state going after state funds is a good thing. We.

A

Do a good job in communicating to our legislators, maybe not holistically, because our representation.

A

Covers three different districts and we don't seem to cover that holistically. um You know.

A

All the time- and we do our best- and I really appreciate the staff and the work they do. I think.

A

The question was brought up, although it could be thought of as hostile the way it was brought up.

A

I think the intent is not to micromanage but to best understand and and get the funds that we.

A

Want to get you know through this letter, I don't believe they understood the.

A

uh The priorities and why we put the priorities in place the way, because, because honestly,.

A

I didn't understand that as best and I could not share that as best as I think I should have been.

A

Able to do and um but uh I you know anytime, I can get advocacy. I want to get advocacy.

A

Anytime, I can get support. I want to get support, especially when I'm using somebody else's money.

A

um Well, that's fine, but there's this highway user revenues and all of that.

B

As you can tell, the delegation has no intent. The the general assembly has little intent.

B

To get that back to us, so I get what you're saying, but yet you're sort of talking in circles. For me.

B

uh Because we're not going to get there anyway! So uh if you answered the question and now there's.

B

More questions, that's where I'm getting hung up. Do you think? Yes, there was a question yeah. We.

I

Answered it, it's it's a clear answer. I understood it. I I've always understood why it's on there.

B

It's not about what project gets done. First, it's about the priorities of getting the funding to.

B

Begin the projects and getting getting them into the different phases of of becoming reality and.

B

Clearly that 97 project is, is, I mean, come out there with me this evening and I'll show you why.

B

But the study has got to be done. There's two lanes with hundreds of cars so.

B

We've got to start that stud get that study started. So that's why we did it so.

B

It's a clear answer, so I'm just confused as to why the clear answer now has more questions.

F

This is our letter. We discussed what order to put these things in and we had. We had a discussion in.

F

Open session about which ones would go first, this is our letter, our state delegation, I believe their.

F

Job is to help us along not to question everything we do. I I don't, but I remember I actually wanted.

F

To bring that, but who runs the county, we're county commissioners, we're elected to run.

F

The county- this is our letter. This is what we put out there. I think it should go through. They asked.

F

It was answered, they obviously didn't like the answer. This is still a lot still our letter. They.

F

Don't want to sign it, I'm okay with sending the letter without them signing it. I'm fine with that.

F

Like commissioner owen said most jurisdictions, don't even have your state delegation signed it.

F

And and my time on, as a board owner's board of commissioners, I can't see what help.

F

Their signing letter actually has done for us to be honest with you.

E

We do need to explain. Maybe I simultaneously send a letter saying explain where we are and push.

E

It through, I agree with you. Why are we getting so much pushback from the delegation this year.

E

Not really everything we do is being questioned and before it all went through well, I've seen.

E

This year seem like we're getting all kind of uh pushback, but you know this is what's needed in.

E

The county at this time right, no, no doubt about it, ask him for the support. Explain it to him.

E

If not, we send it on through it. This is a perfect example of pardon upon stay in your lane.

D

I even fits if I may. I love the debate over this and I think my colleagues have lots of really.

D

Good points, but overall what it comes down to is. We are commissioner, former government, and I have.

D

To agree with commissioner rawstein that we need to obtain as much advocacy as possible through.

D

Our delegation to help us so as long as we're a commissioner or former government, we need to.

D

Partner up and get the help of our delegation, even though we might have some disagreements.

D

The more unified we are, I think, the better off we are because, if we're not, it makes us a bit.

D

Dysfunctional to the state government give me an example of what you're talking about. Tell us what.

A

The help is, I don't, and I don't agree with that. I mean I know I got a question: what's the help.

D

That you're talking about we want our advocates in annapolis that represent us to fight for the.

D

Resources from the state government- and I think one of the reasons we need that is because we are.

D

Commissioner of former government, we are not fully independent, we do depend on our delegation, so have.

D

You paid attention to what we just talked about with highway user revenue that I know they take.

D

It away from us, but the point is I'm getting at we're talking about the state delegation as long.

D

As we are our commissioner or former government, they are our representatives down there and they.

D

Have more way over us than a county government that has its own charter or constitution.

B

So so to some you're here. To sum your comments up: it's not about the hard work that our staff.

B

Puts in it's about politics, that's not what I'm saying at all. I just think that if our.

D

State delegation wants more clarification, then we should acquiesce to them. We did that all right.

D

We'll do everything we can. I just want to make sure that we look unified going into this. Well, let.

A

First off this says nothing to me in my opinion, that we're commissioned for government whatsoever.

A

The zero this has to do with state funds and resources and if you know I was a county executive.

A

In another jurisdiction, I would be talking to my legislation if I'm looking for state.

A

Funds and making sure they understood what my intent is and what the requirements are.

A

It has zero to do with the commission form of government. I think that the more advocacy we get.

A

From our legislators- and we are doing that- and I I agree- I think that the step is to just.

A

Put into this letter, this is why it is priority one not that it's just priority one, and we put.

A

It up front and then that's it and we sign it and we push it off and I'm I'm for that. I'm not.

A

Going to go beyond that, I'm not going to say I'm changing my priorities because we have the strong.

A

Rationale that are staffed, so I agree with you, but I just I think, there's validity in putting this is.

A

The why we're doing what we're doing, and we all sign it and we request for them to support it.

A

And then that's it. I still stick with the fact that I think it's a complete lack of disrespect.

B

To our staff, because they put hours and hours and hours into this into this cpp letter every year,.

B

They upgrade it every year, update updated to make sure the latest facts are in there.

B

Only to be questioned by a group who has no idea why they're, even in the priorities that they are.

B

I just think it's disrespectful to our staff. That's my! I don't care about the politics of.

B

All of it, that is what it is. I care about the fact that our staff have spent a lot of hours into this.

B

And okay, a question was asked great here's your answer. Oh well, I'm not good with that answer.

B

Now I've got questions based on your answer: where does it stop? I don't know where it stops.

B

And what's the timeline for the priority letter, um we need to submit it to the secretary by april 1st.

L

Okay, we're doing what we think is best for the county here and the needs of people.

E

In carroll county based on our staff based on our staff and what we know but you've seen it.

E

We all have seen them backbone and traffic we're doing what's best for the people of carroll.

E

Asking for that from the state, so so we owe it to use all the tools available, which is.

A

The advocacy from our legislation and in order to get that. If we need to put.

A

I'm sorry if we need to put an additional paragraph or clarification, then we should, with the.

A

Scene they're not asking for it in the priority letter they're asking for a separate letter.

A

Yeah, so we put a cover letter said this is the root. This is why they're priorities in.

A

Order to do this study yeah, the delegation is perfect, is asking just for that for them not.

B

Transportation letter to the transportation people I mean go on yeah, but okay. So so, if you want to.

B

Get them work. I just don't want this to be held up because of somebody's. You know personal vendetta.

B

Using politics, and the folks right here on the ground will be suffering as a result of that.

B

That's that's on that that just I don't like that. A study was done off her way through.

G

um The letter is due by april 1st right. The letter has your signatures, as it is.

G

Right, I did make a commitment to to ask linda to provide them with additional details.

G

If we do that and they sign their portion, fine everything's done if they don't, you still have.

G

The letter they signed correct and you can still get it correct to the state by april.

G

1St, so I think if we take that we don't lose anything, we can only. I I do have a question mary.

A

Studies have been done for 26 and 32 and 32, which is why they are already eligible to be included.

L

In the ctp, whether or not it's unfunded or not, they're in study 97 cannot be in until there's.

L

A study so so in order for it to be in- and I know this is exactly what you're saying I just want to.

A

Make sure I'm very clear: a study has to be done. That's why putting it to the highest priority.

A

Will show our intent to get a study done correct, okay, very clear in my mind now.

A

Because I tell you, I just have any additional questions. I just wasn't as clear you don't I'm.

B

Telling you I but when I was explaining, I just wasn't as clear and that's on me. um So I'm not.

B

Faulting you ed, I get that I mean when I first did this. Six years ago. I had similar questions.

B

Because I remember sitting here talking about well wait a minute: why should you get that road.

B

Before I get in the road in my district- and it was clearly explained- that's not how it works.

B

So we don't have any additional questions after getting that answer, do you no, and I think they're.

A

Going to be fine with that case closed well, no apparently they're, not they will be. They will be.

G

My my thought was that linda will be able to answer and and set aside any nuances in this.

G

Yeah, you know I'm I'm coming to this cult, so all I know is the discussion right, linda and.

C

Roberta and I had on it, so that's exactly what I told her that the chapter 30 scoring requires.

G

The money, the way to get the money is to move it up in priority right. But but again maybe.

G

Another this another uh reminder of what the priority list really means.

G

Because 97's been on the priority list, it just hasn't been at the top right, so it was.

G

On the priority list, but it couldn't be dealt with because it couldn't be the scoring requirements. So.

C

Right, I think, there's some additional background. Yeah, it's going to be helpful right.

G

And I'm not sure that all the delegation that has reservations even understands the basics.

G

Of the letter, maybe over the years it's been more of a box exercise, I would think that's a very good.

A

Assumption and we want to clarify it to take away those assumptions, make them into facts and.

A

Understand what the priority letter is all about, so I absolutely agree with this with this process.

A

And at no means because I agree 100 with you- that we have a lack of confidence.

A

In the work and due diligence from our staff and getting us to where we are taking the next step,.

A

For this legislative advocacy or support, we do what you said and regardless.

A

It's to be submitted by no later than one april, clearly you're not going to change the priority.

G

Right the letter is signed, it's done right, that's where it's going to start right. So an explanation.

G

Right, the rest is up to them. That's correct. We may need a judge to rule on us. Speaking of the.

E

Judge what else you got mike, I think that's all. I have okay, let's, let's talk to the judge.

G

Enough of that, thank you thank you and thank you, mary.

A

Sir juan you come on up, I apologize for delay, judge hecker. Let's talk about, I think we have.

A

Three actions for you: annual uh 20, 22, courthouse security funding and acceptance of the award.

A

You don't want any highway user funds. Do you don't we'll take whatever you want to give me yeah, we'll.

M

Find a use for that, I'm sure we we have three actions and then I'm gonna ask for an opinion.

A

At the end, yeah, I'm actually gonna only handle two of them and I think uh nathan hoyle, who all of you.

M

Know- and I think you know that he's now- our family law administrator as a result of uh after polly.

M

Wolver's, retirement and nathan had been the deputy family law administrator for a number of years.

M

He's been promoted to family law administrators so he's going to handle a macro grant. Okay, yeah.

M

So good morning and good to see everybody thanks for having me on your agenda today,.

M

So if I can start with the request that we have for approval of a grant from.

M

The administrative office of the courts in the amount of twelve thousand dollars for.

M

The installation of uh security window film blast film for the windows and doors we were offered an.

M

Opportunity through the security office of the administrative office of the courts, to apply for.

M

A grant for this blast film, we applied for it and they awarded us this grant and it requires.

M

The approval of the county commissioners with and with no cost to the county, but it does require the.

M

County's acceptance of this grant, so the plan is to install this blast film on all exterior on all.

M

Window public-facing windows and doors to add an additional layer of security for the courthouse.

M

So hope we never need it, but since they were offering, we took the opportunity to apply for it.

M

So this covers 100. This covers 100 of the cost of the material and installation. I apologize 100.

A

Of the outwork-facing windows, yeah they're, okay yeah, without getting into too much detail there.

M

Might be a few sort of small windows that are difficult to cover, but I think don't.

M

Create a real security risk not having yeah uh the blast film, but yeah. All the the major windows and.

M

Doors are covered, yes, okay, so I'll move. The board of commissioners approved the submission of a.

E

A y 2022 courthouse security fund requesting a twelve thousand dollars and accept the award.

E

Exactly okay, I got a motion in a couple seconds. I know where this is going to go any discussion.

A

Seen here, none all in favor all right! Okay, now, let's talk about fiscal year, 2023 discretionary.

A

Grant application acceptance of award so good morning again, I'm requesting that the board of.

M

Commissioners approved a grant from the office of problem-solving courts for the continued funding.

M

Of our carroll county, adult drug treatment court, as you have done for us in the past, the total.

M

Grant amount is three hundred and seventy thousand nine hundred and forty eight dollars and thirty.

M

One cents of which uh there is a county match of four thousand seven hundred and forty five.

M

Dollars I know that each of you is familiar with the drug treatment court program that we run we're.

M

Approaching our 500th participant entering the program here shortly.

M

We have graduated, as I've told you, I think. Over the years we graduated a little over 50 percent.

M

So it's a tough program. It's not easy to make it through this program, but those who go on to.

M

Graduate from our drug treatment court, as uh as I think I've indicated to you in the past, also have.

M

A lower recidivism rate, obviously it results in a better community cost savings to the community.

M

And many of our graduates, I'm proud to tell you- are also working in our community in the recovery.

M

Arena operating sober homes, working in recovery homes and so assisting those.

M

Who are going through recovery themselves.

M

So we currently have about 40 participants in our program, we're built for larger than that.

M

But because of the coveted restrictions that were placed on the courts for about two years, we didn't.

M

See as many people entering our drug treatment court program, because the criminal dockets.

M

Were very restricted in terms of what we could do, so we expect an increase, and we expect now.

M

That we have resumed full operations as of march 7 2022 we're going to see.

M

A steady increase in continuation of individuals coming into the program.

D

This is probably one of the most satisfying things you do in your duties as a judges. I would have to.

M

Say it is, it is good, it's not. um At times these court proceedings can become a bit adversarial, but.

M

They're not designed to be adversarial they're designed to be rehabilitative and supportive.

M

It's a court supervised treatment program. That's what drug treatment court really is about, and so.

M

We try to provide as much structure and support to individuals. It's a very different role for.

M

A judge presiding over a drug treatment court versus traditional criminal court.

M

Proceeding absolutely so a very close second would be coming to the county. Commissioners.

A

Okay, so once again it's content and delivery.

A

Okay, the content wasn't there and the delivery makes your face turn red okay. So I.

M

I do want to mention, while I'm here and you'll, get an invitation formally, if you haven't already.

M

To our next graduation, which is april 13th right at the carroll community college, at 4 30 in the.

M

Afternoon we were thrilled to return there in the fall. This past fall for our graduation. I know some.

M

Of you were there and we're looking forward to our next graduation. Also, I wanted to point out. We have.

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A relatively new case manager who's with us today, you know: dina black who's, our drug treatment, court.

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Coordinator and stephanie jones has joined us as our full-time case manager. We also.

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Have a part-time case manager crystal moray and so stephanie's doing a great job with us. Awesome yeah.

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The uh graduation, uh a few months back, was awesome and look forward to the april so um I'll make the.

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Most, if you're out and I'll cut you off make the most of the board of commissioners approve this.

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Mission at fy, 23 officer problem solving court's discretionary grant application and accept the.

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Award second, okay: I have a motion in a second any discussion, seeing here, none all in favor, all right.

A

Okay, I thank you very much. Thank you if you can just uh and if you can just take a a second.

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I came to you a few years back um talking about veterans, uh as I shared a colleague of mine,.

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A retired colonel, like I um runs a veterans court advocacy program down in tampa florida. I don't.

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Know if you remember that conversation we had and his name is g.j and he and I spent a lot of time.

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In the dirt lots of places, um so I really applaud the work he's doing and it's kind of like this.

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You know we we go back and forth about the different programs.

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um Recently at the veterans advisory council, which I'm again incredibly proud of of the veterans and.

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Community outreach to highlight that nobody does it better in carroll counties when it comes to.

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Taking care of our veterans from shuttle service to all the other programs, it was brought up in.

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Open discussion about a veterans court and whether a veterans court is necessary and the advocacy of.

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It and the the discussion was well, they don't want anything from the county or from the veterans. They.

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Being those discussing in open session or from the veterans advisory, except for really advocacy.

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I was in very much a list and learn mode uh along with commissioner weaver.

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I'd like to know, I mean, is this something that we should continue to pursue or is.

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It still in the same realm that you and I had the conversation a few years back and.

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I know I'm putting you on the spot. Okay, okay, I mean look at um this topic. Is.

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Resurfaced this year, I'm sure that you've seen some articles public right, yeah discussion about.

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This in newspapers and so forth, I've been approached by individuals about creating a.

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Veterans, treatment, court and, and my response was that I still don't believe that we have.

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Enough veterans in our criminal justice system in carroll county to.

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Justify the creation of a separate veterans, treatment court right now. That said,.

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I also recently spoke with human services program about working with them.

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To establish at least a system, a process so that, when veterans do come before the court right, we.

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Can coordinate with human services and veterans affairs and try to get veterans the services that.

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They need, um in connection with some criminal, proceeding right that the court's involved in.

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So we are sensitive to veterans who come before the court. I will tell you that, even without.

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A veterans treatment court when it's seldom that a a veteran appears before.

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Me or or my colleagues in a criminal case where we don't know that that individual is a veteran right.

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It's brought to our attention and their service record sometimes is a part of the.

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Information that's presented to the court and when that individual needs treatment.

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All the judges are aware that those individuals may be eligible for treatment through the veterans.

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Administration- uh and so we try to direct services um that that that veterans are eligible for that.

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They might not be otherwise that other individuals might not be eligible for yeah, so um we're also.

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So I don't think um that now, as we sit here, much has changed in the last six years in terms of.

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Having the number of veterans in the criminal justice, which is a good thing right.

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That we don't have a sufficient number of veterans in the criminal justice system to justify the.

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Creation of a veterans treatment court- here I've been approached about whether um we could sort of.

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Share the load with other counties could carroll county join forces with another county right and.

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Maybe have a veteran, a regional veterans court right, it's a on paper that sounds like it's not.

M

A bad idea in practice right circuit court for carroll county is an independent uh court from.

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The circuit court for frederick county, for example, and if you're charged with a crime in carroll.

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County, well, you go to court in carroll county. You don't go to court in frederick county, so.

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Coordinating those services amongst counties is a little more difficult to do in the circuit court.

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The district court across the street uh has more statewide jurisdiction than circuit.

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Courts do which are essentially confined to the local counties. um So it's something I'm.

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Happy to continue to talk to the board about right, I'm happy to do what we can do to try to.

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Assist veterans where the court can do so right, consistent, of course, with our judicial.

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Ethical responsibilities and in this in no way minimizes your.

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Intent to service our veterans, this in no way is you know, uh lessening. You know the service that.

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Our veterans should be provided when going through the system. um You know, and you know I used to run.

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The installation and I had general court martial convening authority and I would make decisions.

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Based on everything around me, and sometimes it wasn't putting them into a jail, but it was getting.

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Them into a hospital or other services, all the tools are available um and I think again, that's.

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Why we do it so well in carroll county? Because we understand all of the relationships and tools.

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And I'll give you an example not to cut you off, but um within the last few months I had a veteran.

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Appear before me in a criminal case- and it was this veteran's fifth conviction for driving under.

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The influence of alcohol or drugs or driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs serious right.

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I knew that the individual need treatment. I knew that the um the case also uh demanded.

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uh Some level of consequence or punishment for the individual's actions, so the sentence.

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That I imposed combined a certain amount of punishment or consequence with treatment and.

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The treatment in that individual's case was done through a veterans hospital where the individual.

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Was allowed to go there, even though they were technically in what we call the constructive.

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Custody of the jail, so if they left the hospital it would be like escaping from the jail.

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Right but we had them do that treatment at the veterans hospital which a non-veteran would not.

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Be permitted to do so, it's just an um so that you understand that the court generally is made aware.

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And when we are made aware that uh the defendant is a veteran, we try to tailor the services that.

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The court is going to require or order to that individual's needs and availability. Now that.

A

That's a that's a great example, um and again I apologize to my colleagues taking this kind of.

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Off into a tangent, but it has been a topic of discussion. Well, I I think part of it is people.

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Don't understand what drug court is and what people have to go through to do it? Having seen.

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Been many of the graduations and I see these people in the community.

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I talk to them occasionally, and they are right to the individual person they saved my life. They.

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Got me turned around I'm a productive member of society and they're very grateful, and I know you.

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Do the same for everybody, I I just think it's perception. People in the general community do.

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Not know exactly what goes on, uh I appreciate you saying that, and you should also know that we.

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Have had over the years, and we currently have veterans in our program yep in our drug treatment,.

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Court program, so it's not a veterans court program but right there are a lot of overlap. Similarities.

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Between our program and veterans, treatment course well, I appreciate colonel ralstein, bringing this.

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Issue off- and I appreciate your candidness about this because I think we've all been getting some.

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Lobbying about this subject and I've emphasized, I have to stay neutral until I'm briefed on it.

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But I must say that the heaviest weight upon my decision on this is ultimately the administrative.

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Judge in the position you hold, so I appreciate you briefly on this. I'm happy to talk to you.

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At any time, okay in an open session, or we need to get together, we can do that. Absolutely okay,.

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Anything else I really appreciate your time sure thanks so much and now, let's talk about.

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Fy 2023 macro court adr grant application acceptance of the award sure good morning, honors.

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um I'm here today to request from the court uh permission and to make the application for.

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The administrative office of the court's mediation and conflict resolution office.

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Alternative dispute resolution grant um it's a grant that provides for court mediation and.

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Alternative dispute resolution services through the courthouse we have one full-time staff member.

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Who provides day of court mediation and helps and what we, what we like to call uh preventative.

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Mediation to prevent them from having to be a contested hearing on the day of court by.

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Reaching out to them ahead of time to provide mediation services for the community, it also.

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Provides some mediation services for senate mediations, that's child need of assistance cases.

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Those are, in particular, very contentious cases and often times very difficult for.

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The people involved, and so we're really glad to be able to provide those services.

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um This is the seventh year in which we're coming to you to request to renew our grant application.

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For this, but it provides for those services, as well as some training and supply funds. For that.

D

This position takes pressure off the judge's docket too. Doesn't it absolutely that's part.

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Of the idea of it being day of court when actually right now, while judge hecker, is here.

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I believe one of my staff members is working with people that are on his dock right now.

D

Well, I moved that the board of commissioners approved the submission of the fy 23 macro court.

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Adr grant application accept the award. Second, I got a motion. I got a second. The only discussion.

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I love these county matches um all in favor all right good deal. Thank you so much.

O

Thank you very much. You all have a good day. Yep yeah. We get some really good return on.

D

Investment specimen specimen balance, 2022 gubernatorial, primary and general elections.

G

Morning morning, good morning, I think katie should be joining virtually I'm not sure if.

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She's getting pulled up or not the issue is there, but I can start and then well.

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See if she joins her to join they're still with me in a second is she.

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Chris was aware that chris is uh katie berry joining us.

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Yes, she's on here, uh if you haven't she's, want to change the viewing from.

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uh The speaker to everyone, you can see her she's at just tell her to turn her camera on.

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And she will okay katie, why don't you turn your camera on and I'll be able to see you.

A

I mean commissioner weaver has a face for radio, but you don't so.

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Come here good morning, commissioners, can you hear me we can hear you absolutely okay, okay,.

Q

I just came out of surgery and I'm recovering, so I would prefer not to be honest, absolutely.

A

Absolutely no problem, um thank you sure thing eli. Why don't you start sure, so the office of.

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Procurement, in cooperation with the board of elections, request your approval to award a.

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Contract for the purchase of specimen ballots for the 2022 gubernatorial primary and general.

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Elections to corporate communications group in the amount of 105 848 the office of procurement.

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Solicited for quotes and received one response listed below and the amount is within the adopted.

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Budget and a quick note on that, the funds for the general election will actually fall into the fy 23.

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Budget, not fy22 um and for anything else, I'll turn it over to katie. At this point,.

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Thank you eli. I think that summarizes what we are requesting today. As you know, we have the specimen.

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Ballot that goes out after every or before every election, and in this particular instance, we have.

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To get the commissioners to approve it, okay is this 105 105 000 uh for primary and general.

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Because you said yes, yes, I do have the breakout if you'd like so for the primary, it was sixty four.

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Thousand one hundred and forty five dollars and the general is forty one thousand seven hundred.

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And three dollars right, but for general, it's gonna be on next year's budget. Next year's budget, okay,.

A

So I'm okay and we're just totaling it up for this action. I mean for this for this purpose. Yeah.

A

Okay, interesting all right seems pretty cut and dry to me, so uh these things always go out and.

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If it's within the budget, I'm good, so I move that we award the contract for the specimen.

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Ballots for 2022., gubernatorial and general to corporate communications group, 105 848 second.

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I got a motion. I got a second any discussion, katie hoping you feel better and recover real soon.

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All in favor all right, thank you so much. Thank you. Commissioners have a good day. You too.

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Eli you're one for one: let's see what happens: purchase of radio communication items.

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uh For fire ems for firing, ems, okay, go for it. The office of procurement, cooperation.

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With the department of public safety request, your approval to purchase three mobile radios.

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And vehicle chargers in the amount of 19 648.77 and two portable radios and accessories in the.

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Three amount of 11, seven dollars and sixty cents for a total amount of thirty thousand.

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Nine hundred and sixty eight dollars and thirty seven cents, the purchase will be made.

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From a motorola solutions contract a maryland state contract that was competitively bid and.

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The amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

C

Okay, commissioners, that these are the devices that are needed to equip the.

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Vehicles that were previously approved for the department of fire and ems, as well as the.

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Two positions- and these are standard issue and applicable to both the vehicles and positions.

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Director campbell, I bet, you've, seen a big evolution in the technology over these.

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Systems since you started, are you telling me I'm old, commissioner? I'm old too I'm.

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Back in the early days of our respective careers of using old, low van radios and.

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One or two channels- and you didn't- have trunking and high band at all so.

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Even though the cost has gone up significantly, the technology and the capabilities is remarkable.

E

I apologize, commissioner, I did not want to go there. You really stirred the pot.

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Campbell I mean I started down the right path. I was leaning on your hand.

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See what you did you know bull horn, slow signals. I moved the board of commissioners approved.

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Five radios with chargers and accessories from mobilerose motorola solutions in the amount of.

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Thirty thousand nine hundred eighty six dollars and thirty seven cents I'll second, that to get.

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Us out of this okay, thank you got a motion guys. Second, any further discussion seeing hearing none.

A

All in favor all right, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let's talk about union mills, watershed.

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And mike you're, looking very green back there, just let you know.

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Okay, gentlemen, it's another all-star cast.

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uh I came to you with the preliminary recommended cip. We talked a little bit about land. We own.

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In the union mills area and the possibility of beginning planning for a park there and at the.

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Time I said I thought you needed to think about a couple things before we moved ahead with this one.

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Was we bought this land for a reservoir, which is not happening now, at least? Do we want to keep the.

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Land chris we'll talk in a few minutes about why he believes we should and then my second thing was.

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If we want to keep the land do we want to spend money to develop that.

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As a park- and that is part of a larger idea that we've talked about from time to time.

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Not just parks but infrastructure in general. Every time we build something new. We have something to.

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Maintain and something to renew or replace at some point and parks is a special case.

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We get money from the state that we use to purchase land for parks and to do some of the.

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Development of the parks, so we have this flow of revenue. That makes it very easy to say well. Yeah.

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We've got money, let's develop the part, but what we need to do is hold on to the idea that eventually.

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Other expenditures go along with that, and jeff will talk more about.

S

Thank you ted morning, commissioners. uh I want to talk a little bit about the history ted mentioned.

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That this property has been acquired with the purpose of uh potentially being the site for.

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A reservoir and property has continued to be acquired over a long period of time. A lot of.

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This has been done on a piecemeal basis when the property was acquired. In many occasions, we.

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Inherited old farm roads, in some cases, fire roads were developed, which was a part of the maintenance.

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Of the property, and then we've had volunteers that have developed trails on this property as well.

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All of you, I'm hoping have on your screen map everything that you see the yellow lines on there.

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Are all existing trails? Some of these have been there for as long as 40 years.

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Some are more recent and what has happened as we have purchased additional properties.

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Along the way, a lot of times there is a movement among our equestrian council or other volunteers.

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To add another section of the trail, and it may be to get additional mileage, it may be.

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To put it in a better location, maybe a less wet or easy more easily maintainable location.

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So when you look closely at this, you see a lot of parallel trails. We believe that some number.

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Of those could be eliminated, pick the best route and keep one where we don't lose. The recreational.

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Value that it's had for many years, but it also minimizes the maintenance that we're doing now.

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That's a lot of squiggly lines, it's very easy to get lost back there. There are about 16 miles, plus.

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Or minus of trails through there, it is the largest trail network that we have in our park system.

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It is all natural surface trails. We have multiple parking areas where people can access the trails.

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We get use from hikers mountain bikers, equestrian use and, frankly, people travel from pretty good.

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Distances to use these we've heard from the mountain bike community because of the hilly.

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Terrain there it's a great place to train for various events that these folks participate in.

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Equestrians, that's a very large group. Economically, they travel to use this as well. We have a joshua.

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Hills: race, which is held every year for at least 25 years, the last version of.

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That race we had about 120 registrants, they came from eight states, including california,.

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And we had one foreign entry in it, so it's got a great great history of usage.

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What we're looking to do with this master plan that we had requested for an overall trial plan.

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Is to not start with a blank slate, because clearly we don't have a blank slate. We've.

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We've got 16 miles of trails. What we want to do is look at which one should we keep, which ones should.

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We eliminate and then, if there are opportunities for new trails, where should we build those.

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We want to minimize the number of stream crossings, because stream crossings become bridges and.

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Bridges are very expensive and it speaks to what ted said with our inventory and then potentially.

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Capital replacement one day, so we want to minimize the number of crossings. Potentially all these.

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Trails get funneled into a smaller number of crossings. In retrospect, we perhaps should have.

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Called it something different than a master plan, because normally, when you hear that word, it's well.

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Here's a property that we bought, there's nothing on it, here's what we'd like to plan to do with it.

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This is really more of renovations that we are looking at to an existing network of trails.

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As I said, there will be some impact on our infrastructure and inventory, but a lot of this.

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Is already in place and before I turn it over to chris, I do want to recognize brad rogers he's in.

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The back of the room, if you can wave back there when we talk about maintenance of these trails,.

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We have volunteers that do various projects on it, but most of the maintenance is done by.

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Brad and his crew, which more often than not, is interpreted as brad, will take care of. It doesn't.

D

Mr roger have rogers have to save the people back there get lost well that that's another.

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Thing that comes into play with this is when we look at where these trails should be located.

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You talk about the maintenance, the sustainability of them, but also the safety of them. How can we get.

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People out because they do get lost and they do get hurt on occasion and that's what this effort.

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Would be designed to accomplish and we wanted to share that with the board, and I know there.

S

Were other other questions or other issues, and certainly at the end we'd open it up to all of you.

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Right now, some of the trails inadvertently caused more erosion because the waiter set up and they.

D

Weren't there was no foresight and how those trails were developed, correct and again, a lot.

S

Of these trails were inherited, a previous property owner may have had a road there or some sort of a.

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Trail that then became a public use trail over time, so we would be looking to improve that.

S

And I'll turn it over to chris. At this point to talk about the water, which is.

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Why the property was purchased in the first place? Yes good morning, commissioners, so water supply is.

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An it's an ever-changing kind of landscape that we have to deal with and planning for what kind.

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Of water supply we need, it can be challenging. Really, the easy part is is projecting future need.

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As in economic growth and residential growth and so on, and how much water is available from a.

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Groundwater perspective surface water perspective and all that, where it's difficult is it's.

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Tough to predict, what's going to change from a regulatory perspective from the state and federal.

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Agencies that oversee water appropriations what's going to happen in short-term.

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Weather seasons and and climate change and right now, the past couple years we've had relatively wet.

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Seasons 2018, especially so water supply, is really not at the forefront at public discussion. However,.

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Probably you all remember back to 2002 20 years ago and we had a very significant drought. Some.

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Refer to it as considered a 50-year drought, and so it's for those purposes that ever since the 1960s.

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Three reservoirs owned by the county have been proposed and planned for here in the county. Those.

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Are piney run gillis falls and union mills those reservoirs have been in all of our water and sewer.

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Master plans that are approved by mde over the years and most recently, they're documented in our.

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Water resources element, which is a part of the comprehensive plan that was adopted in 2010 and.

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Mde and mdp maryland, department of the environment and maryland department of planning have both.

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Been putting out documentation as far as how we should be looking to update those plans from 2010.

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And so those plans all document what water supply issues, wastewater, treatment, storm, water, water.

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Quality and so on that we need to to look at to help guide our um comprehensive planning efforts.

T

So, what's interesting about the union mills watershed and union mills reservoir is that.

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It actually drains west drains west towards the monocacy river and why that's important is the.

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Eastern half of the county, all drains towards reservoirs that are owned and controlled by.

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Baltimore city and so therefore baltimore city has a stake in the appropriation and use of all the.

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Water that drains from the east side of the county union mills drains west. So they would not be.

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Involved in the appropriation process, if we were to move forward when we moved forward with that.

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Corporation, so that's something to take into consideration because both pineyron and gillis.

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Baltimore city has a stake in in that appropriation, so um in the mid-1970s.

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There is a huge push uh from the county and municipalities to establish water supply.

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For um at union mills for westminster, hampstead and manchester, um those plans projected out that.

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By today, by 2020 that the reservoir would be in place, but primarily because of cost issues,.

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um That it has not moved forward, but still because of things change from a regulatory perspective.

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Climate change, etc. It's really important that we have the infrastructure in place that we have.

T

So that maybe it's 20 years from now, maybe it's 50 years from now when surface water supply is needed.

T

That we've got the infrastructure and and land in place for that so happy to answer any questions.

T

That you might have about the reservoir, how did the trails impact on this positively or negatively.

E

I mean we're just having trails to present time. They would not, they would not have an impact on it.

E

Okay, so we're not developing these, I mean we're not hard surfacing we're not putting.

E

Any more into it than just earth and trail right, the infrastructure that could be improved.

S

Or added as a part of this effort would be limited to the parking areas where people would access.

S

The trails, as I said earlier, there could be a limited number of bridges that would go in there.

S

Now, typically, if we're using program open space funds for something like that, we need to have.

S

A useful life on whatever is built of 20 years, if you all made a decision today to build a reservoir.

S

Chris correct me: if I'm wrong, I don't think you could do it in 20 years yeah, your point's well.

E

Taken I've mentioned many times clean potable water is going to be an issue in this county.

E

Maybe not in our lifetime, but in the future. uh It's one issue that uh said many times.

E

We have to be aware of and we keep putting housing developments in. We keep putting runoff.

E

uh In the places and clean water gets more scarce all the time. I agree with everything you said on.

E

That and yet I, like jeff's, you know, take this down: let's condense it and make it. You know equestrian.

E

Trails, bicycle trails and we'll get commit we'll find commissioner frazier when he gets lost.

D

I didn't say nothing. I know over gillis falls, there's wellheads drilled all replaced. Do we.

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Have wellheads drilled in this area too, so one of the first phases that was recommended in the.

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Water resources element was to drill wells uh to to start that water supply and um actually.

T

To run a line down to westminster um to augment the westminster supply, unfortunately, the wells.

T

Were not productive, okay, and so that has not moved forward, so he did an evaluation of it all. Yes,.

D

I will state that this park is the premier park in the county for hiking and parks and.

D

Rec are wrecking parks or the partnership for a healthier carroll county in their walk with the.

D

Or walk in the park program this year, the last park we will be walking. Is this one in december.

D

So it's the cherry on top of everything, I'm a tremendous fan of this. Mr rogers took me out.

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There on the the atv riding around, I can see why it's so easy to get lost out there, because.

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When I went back and ventured around, I didn't venture too far. I've been lost great program.

S

That is one of the nicest things about this property is the length of the network. It's.

S

Much larger than anything else that we have and it's a very different type of experience,.

S

Because you can literally get yourself lost out there, get away from the distractions.

S

Of everyday life, you have a lot of wildlife opportunities, a lot of fitness opportunities.

S

And it ties in very nicely with what we've done at some other locations. The side question have we.

E

Ever thought about marketing all the timber on the county grounds had a forester tell me. We probably.

E

Have a quarter million dollars worth of timber starting to die on county grounds that we really.

E

Should start to look at marketing as saleable timber, a selective card matters we've never.

E

Really pursued anything I know facilities has done that on a limited basis at some sites in the past.

S

I couldn't tell you the last time it was done for any of the areas up at the union. Mills lots.

E

Of acreage out here and it's uh a marketable uh commodity, now it's a crop like anything.

E

Else has a useful life a little longer used for life, but when a tree hits a certain size and.

E

With the oaks dying and everything I I don't see why we're right at the present time, we don't use.

E

Put this out get a forester to manage it and market the county timber be a good source of.

E

Revenue for 250 thousand dollars or more which uh extend then you gotta, look at the team and faster.

A

Yeah he takes care of that they do it for about ten percent.

E

Of what they do and uh that's all taken care of yeah plans and they do the forestry plan.

E

Permits they do everything and uh when you think you have to they've run everything by.

E

Before it's done so it's something maybe parks and rec. Whoever has control of this.

H

Department of public works tends to be the.

H

Responsible department for the land that the county, all the land that the county owns.

H

Yeah, with the few exceptions of the parks and next year we could have reading in the park.

H

We can see what we can look into that congratulations made of wood.

D

With what I'll add one last thing, with the amount of wetlands down there, how big of a.

D

Challenge will this be for us with trails across wetlands and mde? Is that a challenge to us.

D

And is there a potential for funding from the state to help with those challenges.

T

As far as funding to address environmental impacts, probably not because the state typically does not.

T

Put forth funding to address mitigation, type measures; okay right, so um from that.

T

Perspective, probably not um any sort of proposed development, whether it's trailers and so on.

T

uh Would need to go through the appropriate permitting process and if there are wetland.

T

Impacts and and so on, we would need to address those so it'll be paying close attention to what.

D

We do down there and that's reassuring people out. There are concerned about that issue as well.

B

Okay, so a couple questions for me since I get asked about this all the time and I get all the.

B

Feel good stories- that's wonderful, but but the citizens up there when I first got into office.

B

This was one of the first questions you all have property. What are you doing.

B

So from a fiscal standpoint, by sitting on this property, what is the challenges and if they are.

B

Challenged, then, why aren't we moving ahead with the reservoir? uh We know we're going to need.

B

Water, why wait 20 years from now? Why not start the process now and what would the challenges be.

B

Associated with saying, okay, let's begin the process now, knowing like what commissioner.

B

Weber said it's inevitable sure. So if you put it off, you keep kicking that can down there.

B

Why not start now if we've got the property, so the folks that live up there are always asking.

B

On a pretty regular basis, what are you all doing.

B

You're sitting on it: what's it costing you, why not sell it if you're never going to do anything.

B

So there's 87 questions. Is this this other? The three is this the least contentious for.

A

Transition to a reservoir, I mean definitely is before chris's time we actually did explore.

R

Putting in a reservoir out there- and there was contention- you know, uh we- we had people who were.

R

Objecting and I can remember a few uh people who are pretty frequent visitors to the county office.

R

Building specifically because of looking at a reservoir, so I have no doubt if we move ahead.

R

That that will be true again um and then you know when we did look at this. It's hard.

R

To remember timing now, but we we considered it very seriously, uh but the board at the time said.

R

No we're not moving ahead with this now. Nothing more has happened since then.

T

Yeah so I mentioned the water resources element of the comprehensive plan, and that was last adopted.

T

In 2010, and really the purpose of that plan or of that element as well or that document is to.

T

Look at water supply issues, wastewater treatment, water quality, flooding all of.

T

Everything water related and how it would affect growth in the in the county.

T

In that plan uh it identified that the designated growth areas of our municipalities.

T

That, where those currently or stood at in 2010, that there was sufficient groundwater to cover.

T

That those growth areas, but it recognized all those other factors that I mentioned.

T

Climate change changes in appropriation guidelines from the state and federal government that.

T

We should be prepared that, if those that change in climate as it were and and how we can appropriate.

T

Water through groundwater and so on, changes there's going to be a need for other sources.

T

Now the um the planning level estimate for union mills is on the order of 100 million dollars.

T

To to construct that, so that would be a pretty heavy lift. So, as as jeff said, if there was.

T

The will power right now to move forward with that it would be a long term. It's going to be.

T

Years to go through the appropriation process go to work through mde and so on and a sizeable.

T

Investment, so it's kind of like having in our back pocket that we've got the land there.

T

That 40 50 years from now it's it could very well be needed. um Is it needed in the next decade? Next.

T

Two decades, probably not okay and, in the meantime, we're sitting on a lot of property. And what's it.

B

Costing to sit on it, not much, I mean it just kind of does what it does we're, not really putting a.

B

Whole lot of we don't budget anything specifically nothing up. There is costing any of the taxpayers.

R

What, whatever you know, jeff referred to some time that reckon parks devotes to it uh we're.

R

Not accounting for that, but some some amount of some people's time right all right. Well, that's a.

B

That's a good explanation, then I mean you know you at some point you want. To put it to rest, I mean I.

B

Know the city of westminster brought it up that they they did the wells, and you just said it too.

C

And it was found to be, it wouldn't work, so then that probably would lead well if it wouldn't work.

B

Now, what's going to make it work in 20 years, I I don't know just just that wells are different from.

H

This one yeah, I guess yeah- isn't surface water, the least effective water resource option to have.

D

I'm not sure how to I mean the return on investment of building a reservoir.

D

Is not that effective? I thought we have to defer to well. We have couldn't.

D

Potentially tap into hyde's quarry or something like that.

D

There's options besides this one also, a dam would potentially put the homestead blow a dam as well.

D

Correct yes, so there are all sorts of permitting issues that would need to be addressed if we.

T

Were to move forward um working with the army corps of engineers, working with mde working with.

T

Dam safety, um another thing to consider and keep in mind with the properties that we own is that.

T

um Current mitigation requirements for stream impacts and wetland impacts, and so on, building a.

T

Reservoir has a huge impact on on those natural resources, and we would then have to mitigate.

T

So there is a potential scenario of moving forward with either gillis or union mills.

T

And using the other site as a mitigation site for those environmental impacts, so doing stream.

T

Restoration work creating more wetlands and so on to offset the construction at the other site.

T

So that's another reason for it for maintaining those properties as potential mitigation kind.

D

Of like, when you cut down trees, you got plant two more or something like that exactly yep. Thank you.

H

Okay, thank you is all information only no action at this point.

A

Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.

D

If I get lost I'll call, brad, okay, uh fy 23 annual transportation plan, jeff stacy 143.

C

A

141 in a wake up, yeah.

U

Good morning go ahead good morning, commissioners, you head up transit, so all right! Well,.

V

I want to start um by thanking commissioner frazier for agreeing to join our celebration.

V

Tomorrow in transit appreciation- oh about that, I'm just kidding, take it back.

C

Yeah wait wait hold on a minute.

V

We've been celebrating transit appreciation all week. um The official transit appreciation day is.

V

March 18th every year, but um so that's tomorrow this year and we're having dinner tomorrow night.

V

Mr grazer is coming so I know the staff and the drivers all appreciate that recognition today. I'm.

V

Here to get your final approval for our fy 23 annual transportation plan, we were back before.

V

You in january, with the same information um but to advertise for the public hearing.

V

We did not have any requests for a public hearing, so we did not hold one, but we are back now to get.

V

Your final approval on this budget in order to submit the second part of the application.

V

Ridership hasn't changed much. I know that commissioner fraser mentioned that this morning.

V

Things are going smoothly, no huge increases in ridership, but again.

V

More drivers, I think, will then show an increase in ridership, but we did.

V

Have our highest ridership day on the black trail blazer route, just the other day with.

V

49 passengers, in one day that is better than pre-coveted numbers, so something is working.

V

So if we look at the proposed operating budget on the briefing paper first, this is almost the.

V

Same as the last time, you saw it, the only change here is our budget for fuel. We increased it from.

V

300 to 325 000, which is consistent with the per gallon price in the fleet budget for fy23.

V

This increase does not have any impact on the county match. However,.

V

We decided that we would use all cares, funding for all over match.

V

So increasing that budget doesn't change what the county's portion needs to be, that three hundred.

V

And five thousand dollars of required county match stays the same as when you saw in january.

V

The capital budget has also slightly changed um back in january. I was still using last year's.

V

Numbers for vehicle prices, um which I knew were low well, I didn't know what the actual ones were.

V

Going to be yet um so both my budget analyst and I worked on a number that we thought was reasonable.

V

And we were close, we were about three thousand dollars high, so this is lower than when you saw.

V

It in january, by about three thousand dollars mta just provided me with current vehicle pricing, so.

V

The actual amount for the four vehicles we will be requesting is that 207 thousand dollars.

V

With the required county match of 27 029, the last few years we've been awarded three vehicles.

V

And we've requested four. So if that's the case again this year, we'll get three vehicles which.

V

Would mean our county match? Would wind up ending lower um it's 10 of whatever that purchase price.

V

Is preventative? Maintenance is staying the same as you saw in january and as it has.

V

Been for the past couple of years, so any questions on budget or transit in general.

A

The uh vendor expenses 175 000 increase. What is that predominantly vendor expenses.

V

Predominantly it's just the increase to the hourly rate that is built into the contract, which is what.

V

Off the top of my head.

W

It's different for demand, response and trailblazer. um They are based off of revenue hours.

V

It's a five percent increase of whatever it is now: 23, 24. Okay, that's that's right right! It was built.

U

It was a built-in increase to cover their expenses salaries because they're, primarily staffing.

U

Of all the drivers and they're off of their operations around the driver's wage, yes,.

C

F

I'll make the motion the board of commissioners approved, submission, fy, 23 annual transportation plan and accept the fy 23 grant award. Second.

B

Second, a couple seconds: okay, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion on this. All in favor.

A

All right, thank you. Thank you told you. It would be easy. I wasn't worried.

A

Just get preservation.

A

Good morning, commissioners good to walk around okay. So let's.

A

I apologize request approval for union mills, homestead foundation, applying for preservation.

A

Maryland's heritage fund grants for structural assessment for the boltmann bridge at union. Mills.

A

Hopefully, that's why you're here? Yes, okay, thank you yeah, as you said, we're here today on behalf.

X

Of the union mills homestead foundation to request your approval to apply for preservation maryland.

X

Heritage fund grant for the structural assessment for the bowman bridge at union.

X

Mills, the historic bowman bridge, designed by wendell bowman and dating back to 1879.

X

Is located on the union mills homestead where it crosses the grist mill tail race.

X

Engineering survey was conducted by the county in 2019, identifying substantial large cracks.

X

Upon the bridge's cast iron vertical members affecting the structural integrity of the bridge,.

X

The engineering firm recommended an inspection, an analysis of the bridge and repairs prior to the.

X

Bridge being used by pedestrian traffic again and bridge has been closed to pedestrian traffic since.

X

That time, the union hills homestead foundation would like to apply for a grant to perform a more.

X

Detailed structural assessment uh of the of the bridge, the project assessment, is expected to be.

X

Expected to cost thirteen thousand eight hundred, the grant request is for ten thousand and the.

X

Union mills homestead foundation has committed to covering the remaining cost of that study.

C

Was the assessment going to take place? uh We would we'd have to get the grant? We'd have to be.

X

Successful in a grant application, so if you don't, if you're, not successful, they're not going to.

F

Do the assessment they're just going to keep the bridge closed uh the there there's so yeah, there's.

X

There's been a couple thoughts of what to do, but since they're going to do this assessment and see.

X

How to historically replace the bridge we have since not taken steps to initially dpw is going.

X

To have soda had a plan in place to um support the bridge from underneath not a non-historical.

X

Restoration of the bridge, but uh since this is taking place, that we kind of backed on off on.

X

That and let this take place if they get the grant funding to see how to historically fix the bridge.

X

Right, one of one of the things that we've talked about, since this is our you know, is our bridge.

U

This was relocated to the site that it is on now uh from another part of the uh of the creek.

U

Is to basically build a platform underneath for the bridge to sit on that would become.

U

The structural aspect, the destruct you know, structural piece for pedestrian traffic with.

U

The bridge basically resting on top of it um kind of the shell sitting on top of a structural. You.

U

Know so because of the cost- and um you know other priorities, what we have for projects that are.

U

On that site, that's what we're doing in order to reopen that back up, because we understand the.

U

Concerns that have come up during different events that we that they would like to have that open.

U

For use for pedestrians, but also it's nice to have that, keep the historic nature of it. So we have a.

U

Few we have a plan b in place if later on, we don't get the grants or, if the funding later you know,.

U

After the studies com uh performed, because that's also, the concern is what the cost will be to.

U

Renovate this is a cast in place type of structure. It's not! You can't go over there and weld it.

U

I mean, as as you know, commission, especially your historic natures, there's going to be a lot there's.

U

It's going to be an expensive repair, uh so it's something that would have to look at and put into.

U

The budget and see what funds may be available at that time, if that's a priority of of the board.

D

Sitting at that time, I'm always fascinated by these older bridges. I know there's a bridge down.

D

In san antonio texas, around the same age that has car traffic going to this day, so there is.

D

Ways to salvage these things I'd be interested in potentially going out with some staff and.

D

Taking a look at it sometime in the future and get a better understanding of it. I like.

D

The fact that we're willing to preserve it- because it is part of our history.

D

With that, I move that the board of commissioners approved union mills home said foundation to apply.

D

For a ten thousand dollar grant through maryland heritage fund for the structural.

D

Assessment of bowling bridge road in mills or bollinger bridge at union mills second.

A

Okay, I have a motion. I have a second okay now I'll ask questions because discussion way too quick.

A

I'm sorry go ahead, please! um First of all yeah, that's fine yeah! It's all good yeah! First of all,.

B

uh If we already did a study in 2019 identifying the fact that it can't be used, why are we doing.

B

Another study, so this particular study that they're applying for for a grant is, is more.

X

To do so, there's three things: we're going to do: assessment of the damages to the bridge.

X

And they're going to give recommendations on how to historically renovate this bridge.

X

Okay versus, like, like you said, we had an assessment, said.

X

Damage is too great. You can't you can't have foot traffic across there anymore. You can respond from.

X

Underneath but yeah that was, that was the extent that we went with it and he found what you know.

X

Like to restore the bridge to the original brewery, so the foundation's going after the grant- yes.

B

Yet it's our property. Yes, so that gets a little interesting too. It does. We've done.

X

That, in the past, um we we put a memorandum of understanding in place between the two parties.

X

So we we more or less manage the grant and the grant funds and and the reimbursement we.

X

Kind of hand it off to them, they send it to the state for reimbursement, so it has been done in.

X

The past- and we do think in this case the union mills homestead- has has a little more leverage.

X

For this particular type of grant than we would okay, okay, that's good! That's a good answer!.

B

I I just you know, I think that the very fact is, it needs to be repaired and it needs to.

B

Be repaired historically, I'm just if, if this was county money, I I've I'd, be a little bit.

B

I don't know that I'd be for this, I would say: let's just move on and.

B

Repair it historically because it could be done. But since the foundation's gone after a grant.

B

I'll I'll go ahead with that, it's just going to delay the process. What this will, what this project.

U

Will also provide us as the specifications in order to put as we go to put this out.

U

For procurement to come up to find the right contractor the right professionals, artisans.

U

To to be able to bid on this project, uh this will provide us the the specification details.

U

uh In order to have a better document we put out on the street okay, uh because last thing.

U

We want to do, is you know we? Don't we don't need you know we we want to make sure we ensure the.

U

Right people are doing the work, as we've seen with some of the wood structures at the on the.

U

Property or when dean had the roofing contractors out there, everything has to be is meticulously.

U

Detailed in the work and how they perform it has to be completed the same way as was originally.

U

Constructed this will provide us some of those specifications requirements to ensure we get.

U

uh If we decide, if the board at the time decides to move forward with the project that we.

U

We would be able to have do it right, the first time getting on the street okay as long as that's.

B

In there that that's good, because it sort of then eliminates additional steps, if we can that's part.

B

Of that grant, I'm I'm fine with it. I just you know it seems like we're going through additional steps.

B

Here that we really wouldn't have to, but if they're going to identify some of those things.

B

That's fine they'll identify some of them. They will not in in this particular grant.

X

Request it will not get us construction documents that we can put out a bit that.

X

That would be a next step from this report and then who's going after that funding.

X

That that's this kind of this will. This would definitely let us know.

X

uh Or give us a better idea of what the cost of actually restoring this historically accurately.

X

Will be so, I think this is a good first step, rather than rather than spend all that money.

X

On plans and specifications unless, unless the board I mean, if the board says they want to.

X

Whatever the cost we want to replace this, or you know we want to, we want to repair.

X

This historically, then, that's you know, that's something that we could maybe modify this grant to.

X

Go after you know, a bigger bite of that apple, but currently it's just, let's see what, where.

X

All the damage is, let's get the assessment. Let's get some, let's get some initial sketches.

X

I mean it's almost like concept plans yeah some additional sketches, some initial specs.

X

And then we'll know what it will cut, what should we should know what it would cost us.

B

If the bridge wasn't there at all, how would it affect pedestrian traffic.

X

I mean so they're they're using the site. Now people people come down the other side of the.

X

Miller's house there is no way of crossing the tail race that goes back into bigfoot, big pike.

X

Creek yeah right so there's no there's no way of crossing the tail race between the homestead and.

X

Big big pipe creek at this point in time, but we could you could leave the bridge as it is.

U

To look at it historically not physically walk on it right and construct a nice wood arch.

U

Bridge something that the weddings could use- or you know something else- could be constructed in.

U

That site could be protected and you know nicely cordoned off to where nobody can.

U

You know go on it versus the caution tape that we have today. Okay, so we we do have other options.

U

If that's, if that's a path that everybody would like to go to also okay, I potentially I'm sorry.

D

I potentially see civil war reenactors calvary and cannons going across this bridge.

A

The um the last part of what you've shared um about the assessment, my concern is that they're.

A

Going to paint us into a corner, I have the same concern, commissioner, okay, um so yeah some.

A

Some other way the documents were worded right, kind of kind of um you know let what would have.

X

Led the grant at the people were reviewing, the great application would have led them to believe.

X

That that we were committing to going down that road, I've since had a conversation with.

X

The president out there and um they're going to change the language in the grand application to.

X

Not commit us to doing an additional step; they it may make them less competitive in the grand.

X

Application process, but um unless, like I said, unless the board was willing to tell me to tell.

X

Them that it's okay to we'll repair it at any cost. I told him that language has to come out.

X

Before he makes the application yeah, I don't agree with that. I don't agree, we pay for it.

A

Any cost I think that language needs to be in there, and you know I I would recommend amending.

A

You know the motion that, pending that language be put in there: okay, um because I'm.

A

I'm not saying they're gonna do anything inappropriate, but I don't want us, our taxpayers.

A

Our county be paying into a quarter using any of our dollars for something that you know.

A

We're being given a bill without you know anything 700, I've thought of the same thing. That's why I.

X

Called them ahead of time and said this language has to come out unless I get approval yep.

D

And for procedure I'll withdraw my motion? Okay! Okay, that's fine! I did I just.

B

Which is why I asked the question about: if the bridge is not there, you can't use.

B

The bridge now so is it: is it drastically affecting uh pedestrian traffic out there.

B

Probably not no and they still can get a nice.

B

Place to look at, say, gosh, look at that historical bridge and put two posts on.

B

Either side of it instead of caution, tape or whatever you do so that you can't go across it.

B

I just want to make sure, and I I was trying to find the politically correct terminology here. I.

B

Don't want to get pushed in well, you've got to do the bridge now agreed. So that's that's where I'm.

B

I'm at I just it's a great place, but the bridge is what it is. I think it's not a big game. It's not.

B

You know I think, going after a grant to do that. That's fine right! I just.

A

You're right, it may make them less competitive by saying hey we're going after this grant and.

A

You know, but we are not committing our county to fund the repairs. If the you know a set, you.

A

Know whatever it is um right, one step at a time, yeah one step at a time and you're right make it.

A

Make them less competitive, but that's okay for me, if that's emotion, I'll second, it.

A

I'm not sure what my motion was the original one, with your your modifier on it yeah.

A

Okay, have them apply for the grant with the amendment that is not committing our county.

A

To follow on dollars, second, okay, yeah! Is that good enough tim? Yes, okay, any further discussion.

A

I really appreciate the conversations um all in favor all right. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.

D

Do me a favor please, when you arrange for me to do site tour, that is commissioner lance's district.

D

Please keep him informed. Absolutely thank you. Okay. Andy bring us home with the next three actions.

A

It's always the exciting stuff. At the end, the north pump station.

W

Sanitary, quite the build up here and sanitary main replacement projects.

A

Change order requests for additional work. Oh we love change orders. Don't we okay, please.

W

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request the board of.

W

Commissioners, approval of a change order to wickersham construction and engineering.

W

In the amount of thirteen thousand seven hundred fifty seven dollars for additional.

W

Work related to the north pump station and sanitary main replacement project.

W

The cost of these improvements is within the adopted budget and capital project. No.

W

Additional funding will be necessary commissioners, um we're asking the approval of the change order.

W

Due to the resolution 951-2015, which is the signing authority policy, this policy states.

W

That directors can sign up to ten percent of the original amount of the purchase order or a hundred.

W

Thousand dollars, whichever is less in this case, this current change order slightly.

W

Increase increases the amount over a hundred thousand dollars, which is less than the 10.

W

Of the overall purchase order, but that's what we're asking for so we were expecting a change.

A

Order to come in I'll talk more about that yeah. Please, gentlemen: the work on the new pump station.

I

Is nearing completion? The two remaining items include the installation of the generator and the.

I

Connections to the sewer gravity and force mains to allow sewage flow to and from the pump station.

I

This remaining work is scheduled for the early to mid april time frame when the generator is.

I

Due to arrive, and just just as a reminder, the new the new north pump station has been.

I

Relocated approximately 1 700 feet northwest of the existing north pump station to uh to.

I

Accommodate the ida property and the need for a separate county maintained, pump station on the ide.

I

Iba property itself, and and and in line with that. This relocation required the construction of new.

I

Gravity and and uh force means uh this change order, uh involves the work associated with the.

I

Gravity main time portion of the project, the construction plans instructed the contractor.

I

To excavate and to construct the new gravity main under an existing 38 by 57 inch corrugated.

I

Metal storm drain line upon upon reviewing this location in more detail. It was agreed that from a.

I

Safety and constructability standpoint, the better technique would be to to remove a 20-foot segment.

I

Of the storm drain line then construct the gravity, sewer line main and then replace the storm drain.

I

Segment, so this item is for the additional costs associated with, with with that change in scope and.

I

As carrie said with this origin with this item, the overall change order total for the project, is 104.

I

248 or 5.5 of the original 1.87 million dollar dollar construction project.

I

This is very consistent with five percent uh norms for for new construction work.

I

Previous change orders included some additional work related to the pump stations exterior walls.

I

Valving improvements and various site improvements, there have been very small.

I

Amounts of change orders on this project as compared to the overall cost of the project.

I

uh With with the site conditions that we had, I, I can't see how what why we, we would not have.

I

Had change orders I mean to not anticipate that would have been foolish. So any questions for me.

E

I'm sorry, I'm more efficient means cost is ninety thousand dollars this. This item alone was what was.

I

uh Thirteen 000 and that's basically for the additional work to take out a 20-foot segment.

I

Of storm drain pipe, it would have been very delicate to try and build it as per the plants.

B

Okay, do you want to take this one.

A

Talking to you, who me you talking to me whose district is it's the north pump station in mind.

A

So I'll move the board. Of course. No, oh yeah, that's right! It's not mine! That's okay! Okay!.

A

I'll take the board of commissioners approve the change order to wickersham construction.

A

And engineering incorporating the amount of 13 757 dollars for additional work related to the.

A

North pump station and sanitary main replacement project. Second, okay: I got a motion. I got a second.

A

A little jacularity any further discussion hearings, seeing none all in favor all right.

A

Okay, you're one for one: let's make it two for two: let's talk about the replacement of water service.

A

Laterals and carroll highlands the office of procurement, cooperation with bureau of utilities.

W

Request your approval to award a contract for the replacement of water service laterals in.

W

Carroll highlands in the freedom district to hti contractors in the amount of ninety thousand.

W

Eight hundred fifteen dollars this award will be made via a competitively mid-term contract. We.

W

Solicited bids from four contractors, we received two bids from out of the four contractors that we.

W

Solicited and bid amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

I

Gentlemen, uh this item continues with our ongoing replacement of aging water service, laterals tasks.

I

As previous briefings, water service laterals are the lines that connect water means to the.

I

Individual properties, the line segment from the main to the meter vault, is county owned.

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And maintained, while the line segment from the meter vault to the home itself is private and not.

I

Counting responsibility, the laterals are typically three quarter or one inch diameter copper line.

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And as they age, they are prone to pinhole leaks. The scope of work only includes the county owned.

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Portion of the service lateral. This item is for 41 water service, laterals 5 on carroll highlands.

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Court 34 on carroll highlands, road and one each on county on country, fair lane and harvest farm road.

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And as for previous projects, these these laterals date to the 1970s and the basic construction.

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Approach will be to pull the replacement lines through the ground and not open trench unless.

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Absolutely necessary and the average unit cost for this work is two thousand two hundred and fifteen.

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Dollars this is very consistent with previous bids received for similar projects and it's a.

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Fair value for the scope of work, I think I mean that's awesome. 50, 40, 50 years of you know a system.

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Working in these lateral systems, so I'm with the board of commissioners award contract.

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For the replacement of water service laterals in carroll highlands in the freedom district, two hgi.

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Contractors, in the amount of ninety thousand eight hundred fifteen dollars. Second, I got a.

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Motion second, any further discussion: do you have a question so we owned a line from the main to.

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To the meter vault and then the customer has a meter vault to the house, correct who owns the.

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Meter vault, we can hear that we do the the house side of the meter. Vault is where the.

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Transition takes place; okay, thanks; okay, two for two engineering services for the design.

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Oh, I apologize. Thank you any further discussion seen here, none. I thank you very much. All in favor.

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Last one engineering services for the design of the freedom district, water treatment plant finish.

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Water pumps upgrade project just got me excited to talk about the freedom victory. That's all so.

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Go ahead, the office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request your approval.

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To award a contract for engineering services for the design of the upgrade to the freedom.

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District district water treatment plant finish water pumps to cdm smith inc, an amount amount of.

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Seven hundred and fifty dollars, cdm smith is currently under term contract with the county.

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And this proposed amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

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This project is uh truly exciting for, for for my staff and and myself as per the briefing.

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Paper, the freedom district, water treatment plan underwent a major upgrade in 2008 that.

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Resulted in a new facility with a maximum output of 4.0 million gallons per day, all the processing.

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Equipment and pumps at the plant were designed to achieve this 4.0 million gallons per day volume.

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Since that time, however, the average daily use within the freedom service area has rarely.

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Exceeded 2.1 million gallons per day, the processed water is pumped out into the surface area of the.

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Via a 24 inch diameter, water main and three 350 horsepower output pumps, these three pumps have.

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Been in rotation and continuous use since 2009 during non-peak periods, uh which are primarily.

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Mid-Day and overnight these pumps operate on the low end of their pump efficiency curve and the.

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Minimum recommended flow rate continuous operation of these pumps in these low end areas has led to.

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Pump vibration and a general increase in the weight in the rate of wear and tear all three.

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Of these pumps have been completely rebuilt once, and one of these pumps is beginning to.

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Experience new mechanical issues, issues that will need to be rebuilt, the second time relatively soon.

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To extend the service life of these 350 horsepower pumps and and to improve the overall plant.

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Efficiency, the bureau would like to install a smaller 200 horse power pump in the vacant. Fourth,.

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Bay at the plant and remove the worst condition, 350 horsepower pump and replace it with a second.

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200 horsepower pump that 350 horsepower pump would would then be rebuilt to serve as a spare.

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The two remaining 350 horsepower pumps would be used during the periods of peak demand, which are.

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Mainly weekday mornings and late afternoon and evening periods and the two 200 horsepower pumps.

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Would then be used during the non-peak periods of water demands? This will will reduce, wear and tear.

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On the larger pumps, extend their service life and improve the overall efficiency of the plant itself.

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And I do have a series of photographs that may add a little bit more insight to this.

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um Not the best quality photographs, but on on this screen here, the the the existing pumps.

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Are actually these white vertical items, so we have three of these major 350 horsepower pumps.

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The the white vertical is where the process water is drawn from the clear well with, which is beneath.

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This area and the and the the processed water is pumped out into the service area. The uh this.

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Piping network right here, it's relatively hard to pick up on the second photograph, but this concrete.

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Pad right here is part of the vacant. Fourth bait: that will that will allow the installation of one.

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Of those two smaller pumps and and and this is the same item as this right here- it's where the.

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Processed water will will leave the plant and enter the service area.

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On the next photo down, if anybody I believe two to the commissioners have have uh been been to.

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Field trips with me at the plant, the main door to the facility is right here, as you walk in.

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This doorway here is the first door on the left, so we have three existing pumps.

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That's the vacant fourth bay right here and the final photograph I have. We also need to upgrade.

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The power room with a with a vfd cabinet and and foresight from the original construction has space.

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For that fourth cabinet area, so we we um we are in in relatively good shape. As far as the the.

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The uh the space and the raw piping that that's currently in place um and and the final product.

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For this, scope of work will result in construction plans and specifications that will then be used.

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For the construction bid process, well, mr watcher, thanks for supplying the photos you've given.

D

Me numerous tours of these facilities and it's absolutely fascinating. The amount of mechanical.

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Equipment necessary to maintain all this, and I appreciate you being on top of it. Thank you.

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So this might be a silly question, but it appears as if you know exactly what you need.

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To do out here, why does it take a hundred thousand dollar engineer to tell us what you already know.

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Because I can't I can't hire a contractor and tell him just make it happen um if things go haywire, if.

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There are problems with the construction project. I need something to fall back on. That'll, allow us to.

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Make them make it better or for us to pursue damages. um I would love to be able to just.

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Bring somebody on board buy the equipment and tell them to install it, but I it can't.

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Work that way, it doesn't work that way it is there a license engineer or qualification.

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That's necessary to do the design. Yes, I mean a a a uh a a a civil. Consulting firm is going to.

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Have their their their pe licensing and so forth. um That's part of this. This process as well. Okay,.

B

That's a good answer. It was a good question too. Well I mean I just you know. It seems like.

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Because it's already in place and there's room there for all your equipment.

B

Just seems like it would be a let's just roll type of a deal here and you could eliminate that.

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Middleman, but if that's if you can't do that, then that answers the question without the consulting.

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Guidance, I wouldn't know exactly what to tell the contractor to install. I have a general idea.

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But okay, there has to be plans associated with that. Okay, I'm with the board of commissioners.

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Award contract for engineering service for the design of the upgrade to the freedom district.

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Water treatment plant finish water pumps to cdm smith, incorporate an amount of 99.

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750 second, that motion second: is there further discussion on this scene hearing none all in favor.

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All right, thank you very much. Thank you. Chris. We have any public comment.

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No commenter, sir okay, anything for open admin.

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Okay, before we go into close for land acquisition, let's go through agendas swan the one you come on up.

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Good morning again, good morning, again,.

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um Monday march 21st we are scheduled for on the 22nd. We have a budget presentation.

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Here from the dyess at 9, 00 a.m and 7 p.m. Is the ag center annual dinner meeting and we are all all.

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Looking forward to attending that um at wednesday march 23rd commission on aging disabilities.

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Am I attending that? Yes, I'm attending that not commissioner wins um and then 11 30 is a rec and.

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Parks, advisory board, meeting and luncheon over at bear branch, and four of us will be attending that.

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uh Commissioner frazier lance weaver and I uh mako 3 pm legislative committee meeting and reception.

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Down in annapolis, commissioner, frazier and wentz will be attending on thursday march 24th.

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We go into open session at 9 00 a.m. We'll have our legislative update a few more of those to go.

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Up go into approval modification of scope for westminster veterans memorial park.

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We will talk about requesting approval, to submit application, accepting award for emergency rental.

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Assistance program e-wrap from rdcs department of citizen services, covet funding, update.

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Ms celine steckel will be presenting. We have a request: approval to submit application for fy23.

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Youth and family engagement diversion program.

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And then an ag conservation work group where miss linda eisenberg will be.

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Facilitating fy at 1pm fy23 agency budget hearings are scheduled just a question before we move on.

F

Why do we have times on these now which we haven't in the last several years? There's.

B

What is the ag conservation work group? That's not it! um So it's just a poorly worded.

H

um Staff have been working with an outside work group um to flesh out what they feel.

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Is would be best, zoning wise zoning changes for the ag and conservation.

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Zones, commissioner weaver's been a part of it, um and so this is just um an overview of.

H

Of what that um uh work group has has um come up with, I guess they're an active work.

E

Yeah but didn't these work groups for all the other zoning go into planning and zoning. Yes, so.

H

This is just an update to the board and then it goes to planning and zoning and then it'll come.

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Back to you and then we'll have work sessions with the board this summer, so this is information only.

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Information online yeah and on on the um what's currently item four: that's going to change to.

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The covet funding, that's going to be more of an frf update on and there'll, be three parts of it.

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One part is going to be the the um citizen services, but they're, but the board. You know.

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Recently requested, if any of the municipalities wanted to possibly partner with the county on.

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Water, clean water projects we've received all their applications, we're reviewing them.

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So we'll go over those with the board on thursday, unless something really crazy happens and then.

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um Another um you know, as we've said before, there are other um suggestions or recommendations for.

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Modifying how we're planning on spending um either that's okay, okay, the fr yeah! I was just curious.

B

With the work group, because yeah that's just it's sort of out of step with what we normally.

B

Did or what we normally do, it's just poorly worded, it's not out of step. It's the exact same way. We've.

H

Done it before it's just a briefing on what the work group did before to you before they.

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Take it to the planning commission so it comes to us, then it goes to planning then back to us.

H

For work sessions, yeah for work zones and then you make the decision, you think we did that.

H

That's right, yeah! I didn't think we did I'm good. That's fine, yeah, good luck, good to be transparent!.

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Fy 23 agency budget hearings at 1pm friday. We have nothing on saturday, 4 pm, winfield fire department.

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Banquet, commissioner boucher will be attending, and then commissioner boucher provides the podcast on.

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March 27th, if I may, if there's any directors out there, want anything included in the podcast, please.

D

Get it to me that monday and I can include it on march 28th. We have nothing scheduled on tuesday.

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The 29th uh we have our fy 23 agency hearings, both at 9 00 a.m and then at 1 pm can I add.

D

That on the 29th at 6 p.m, I'll do the walk in the park at cape horn park up in hampstead on the day.

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Okay on wednesday march 30th planning commission, commissioner wentz will be attending.

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Still virtual now, this one is in person because apparently there's a.

B

There's a subject matter that is going to have a lot of testimony.

B

And I think it might- I don't know if it's it's got to be in your district type of things.

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So, just let me know because I think the only thing now you know you're aware the only thing that's on.

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Is um the uh oh, this is st john's properties, he's interested in developing the bd property, we'll be.

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Doing a special presentation running in zoning gosh because there was discussion.

B

About you know, room limitations and how we're going to keep people from you know.

B

Packing the room- and this was brought up in my town hall right and they brought up.

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As well that they're doing this, it's a special session, that's right! The 30th century properties.

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Just introductory to the planning, yeah right and the citizens, I made a change.

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I was going to say you may want to sit there yeah, but I will sit there as a potted plant.

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And no input this is for them to describe right to you. Okay, on thursday march 31st.

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We uh against have open session starting at 9 00 a.m. Mr fowler will start with his legislative.

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Update, we will have a briefing about the 2022 walk carroll events in county parks.

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From parks and rec wrecking park, excuse me.

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Request to revise format of public notice signs, mr chris hein will be talking or discussing.

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Fy 23 agency hearings will round out the morning and then in the afternoon we will have more budget.

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Hearings at 1pm than a local management board meeting. Commissioner fraser your attention. I don't.

F

Know how I can attend that if we're going to have the yeah sure budget hearings yeah, I saw it no. So.

F

Just cross that off for me, I won't be able to attend that one. The local man reporter.

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Won't be able to do that one right on friday april 1st, it is not april fools. There is sheriff's.

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Police and correctional training, academy, graduation and annual awards ceremony over at.

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North carol, high school and uh four of us will be attending commissioner fraser. I can attend.

D

That, okay, all five, will be attending um on friday again april, 1st 6 30 p.m. Over at gerstel academy.

A

Is the battle of the books where commissioner frazier will be attending hosting, facilitating.

A

I don't know what you're just attending horizonte, you don't dress up as cat in a hat or anything no.

F

I'll be a commissioner okay! Okay, on saturday april, 2nd uh christian farmers outreach spring luncheon.

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Over at pleasant valley, fire hall, commissioner boucher put my name down mr frazier I'll, probably.

B

Be there, but I won't be in the capacity of a commissioner, but you can add me to it just to.

B

Make sure and commissioner lance because I'll be, I got three going for four and going for four, uh not.

B

Three, assisting in serving that as a volunteer, I will definitely not be attending. I'm not gonna, be.

B

There, with my political hat on that day, that is the nicest fire hall in the county. I wouldn't say.

J

I wouldn't say that I don't know, I really enjoyed it. Oh no they're, all nice yeah, the refurbishment.

B

Was well done, but they're all good is much better looking now, let's put it that way. Thank you.

D

The hall or steve it's charlie, adequate.

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Person of the year motor truck association over at the antrum, okay, yeah, so you're attending that yeah.

C

So uh the well came out of blue, so the person of the year uh is actually from carroll county. This.

B

Year from the maryland motor truck association, uh it's a gentleman by the name of ray shipley.

B

um Shipley transport, dick I'm sure you know him ray- has been a friend of mine for many many years.

B

As a matter of fact, for those who are familiar with the westminster municipal band, ray carried.

B

The national colors in the color guard for years cool and that's how I really got to know ray so.

B

He and his wife reached out to me and then consequently, the motor truck association reached.

B

Out and when I saw that they were having this big soiree at antrim, uh I was gonna change whatever I.

B

Needed to change because that's gonna be pretty nice, so um I'm gonna go. I've got a proclamation.

B

From all of us, uh honoring ray, and I'm going to speak about everything that he's done in our.

B

Community not just about his business uh and I'm honored to be a part of that that night. So that's.

B

That's awesome came from no okay, I think they're out of annapolis, maybe maryland better truck. I'm.

B

Not sure I believe they are for baltimore, perhaps lobbying or more of a group yeah with motor trunk.

E

Right in the state of maryland, they honor a trucking company every year. Right, I'm glad.

A

They do because they're called the maryland motor truck. I'm glad that's what they did.

A

Not to delaware, I'm just saying: that's all you're done yet no sunday, I will be given a podcast.

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Really now I know you're looking forward to that as you should be, I need a motion to go into closed.

Q

For land acquisition for land acquisition with excitement, you should be kidding me. I make the.

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Motion going to close atlanta land acquisition. Second, I got a motion and a second to go close.

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For land acquisition, all in favor, aye aye I'll make a motion to adjourn after our closed session.

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Second, I've got a motion and a second to return after our closed session, all in favor.

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