Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 25 Apr 2019

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With us silence for all those that are in uniform, all of those that are in.

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Public safety and keep your thoughts and prayers on everybody, especially in a.

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Region as there are some challenging challenging issues that are occurring.

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The united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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Okay spring is definitely strong. That's for sure.

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Lot of leaves on the trees, how many times you all know your grass yeah as.

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Soon, as you cut it, it's like right back on the kennel this time of year, so.

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That's from that vast experience of my lawn care business, I had priority carol.

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Because it was such a resounding issue with you, commissioner fraser I'm gonna.

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Start with you again this week because you don't like to go, don't start with.

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You again now this right. Now I get one first I just want to mention. I was at.

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The graduation for the drug court yesterday mr. lanser, is here as well.

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It's a it's tremendous program done by carroll county. I think we're the first.

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Ones in a state to do it, other counties are now following suit with this and the.

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Reason that they are is because of people to graduate from drug court. The.

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Majority of them, I don't remember the percentage, but it's very high percentage.

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Don't have another run-in with the law, so it's tremendous. It's good for good.

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For these people, the amazing thing is, and from this one from all the ones that.

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I've been to in the past it's about a 13 month program. That's as quick as you can.

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Get through it, but it doesn't mean you have to get down to 13 months, just like when you go to college you'd have to graduate in four years some people take 8 and 10. There was a gentleman here yesterday. He took almost three years to.

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Get through the program, but he got through the program and that's the important thing and with this it gives them a step onto a more productive life.

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But I think it's a great thing: it's a great asset that we have here and that's.

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Why I try to continually make these graduations? It was quite impressive. I.

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Will echo that we had the room covered? You had one side and I hate, and it's.

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Also, amazing, to see those that have graduated before come back because they.

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Always recognize those folks that have graduated.

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In that in that drug program- and there were quite a few there yesterday and.

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Support of those might have been the smallest group that we've had in quite.

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Some time I think, dennis I believe, seven yes, but to hear the testimonies and you.

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Know how to change their lives is really remarkable. So I echo everything that you.

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Said there good morning, I'd like to give a shout out to it's actually a.

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Multi-Pronged shout out: first, isn't there freedom area, lions club as they.

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Hosted last night a veteran's appreciation dinner. We had a packed.

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House about hundred folks in the room, commissioner, weaver doug krebs, both.

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Being lions themselves, as I am we're also in attendance and our keynote is or.

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Was scuse me secretary, jewell jones, maryland, va secretary, the.

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Acknowledgement that the secretary gave to our county and our county team should.

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Not go unnoticed and it starts with the county itself, with both christine caine.

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Selene, who are in attendance and the team that they put together in dcs, focus.

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On our veterans from our veteran support officers and programs that we have to.

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Have veterans shuttle services, it really is second to none in the state and the.

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Secretary acknowledged that as being a model to the other jurisdictions that no.

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One is doing we're doing it: it's not about the flag, poles and plaques. It's.

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About service that we provide- and that was a that was shared last.

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Night, recognizing that we have saved over 14 million dollars since the.

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Beginning of these programs back to the county, we have serviced eight hundred.

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Plus veterans last year, we will be well over 800 plus this year, still not enough.

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But we are definitely doing the right things with the right momentum and the.

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Last comment: is it really does take an entire team from the county government.

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To the nam that we recognize those service.

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Organizations like the american legion vfw and those in the community along.

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With the new one, the carroll county, fair, is independence, program or project.

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Excuse me and then also the community-at-large coming together.

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Focusing on our veterans, so you know it's a priority of mine dealing with our.

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Veterans, it was a great opportunity to recognize that last night in a couple.

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Hours with mission, barbecue feeding us, which I can never complain to.

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So just great great great evening, I just want to recognize that well.

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Piggyback mr. rothstein did a great job introducing secretary owens and one.

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Major thing I took out of it if you're, a veteran in carroll county.

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Please get on veterans maryland.gov every other week check. What's going on.

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Things change and programs change biweekly almost and so that please check.

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Out those websites, what benefits they've earned or put out there and as even some.

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Of the things I learned about last night from secretary owens, I didn't know existed for veterans in carroll county, so please check out that website. If you.

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Can that's veterans, stop maryland gov and nice job thanks? I give special.

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Recognition there fred hecker who's the charge at a drug court. It takes an.

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Exceptional judge to be compassionate and manage the epidemic, we're faced with.

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Is a community also like give recognition to retired judge, barry.

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Hughes was a governor ehrlich appointment. He has served this county.

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Well, opie enjoys his retirement and I would also like to make a plug for it. A.

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Union bridge duck dare be again, may 11th. So please remember to duck derby up in.

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Union bridge show those people some love by a duck.

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That's correct, bye duck. I duck we're several dogs.

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Quickly, for me, a couple things we did finish work on our proposed budget and I.

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Want to again thank all of those that were involved in that it took a yeoman's.

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Effort to get where we were based upon where we started, and I want to thank.

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Every one across county government that assisted not only ted who's sitting in.

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The back of the room and and his group of spectacular, analysts, deb and all the.

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Folks over there, but but everyone this was the hardest budget. We've been.

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Through now, we've got some additional additional steps to take, but initially.

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I'd like to thank them for all the hard work and thank my colleagues for all the.

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Hard work that that occurred as a result of getting to that just a couple things.

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That are that are coming up, actually, all of them tomorrow that I'll be attending.

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And representing caroline shout out to the union mills homestead tomorrow.

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They're going to be recognizing their 50th anniversary of their flower and.

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Plant event that they have and it's supposed to rain. So I hope that's not an.

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Omen of things to come because everything that they tried last year got.

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Rained out so hopefully it won't bring. I think it's supposed to be nice on.

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Saturday, so their event is friday and saturday, but tomorrow we're gonna be.

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Recognizing twice actually we're gonna recognize them at noon, and I think one.

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Of our legislators or somebody's coming at 5:00 to give a proclamation as well. I.

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Want to also give a shout out to the historical society.

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They are celebrating their 80th anniversary and we'll be attending.

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Events in reference to them over the weekend and finally, to an elementary.

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School in my district runnymede elementary school that sits between.

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Westminster and taneytown they've been doing a walk for carroll county food.

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Sunday for many years and they've raised well over, I think they're approaching 10.

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15 20 thousand dollars- I think I'm not sure the exact figure, but it's amazing.

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What they've done there and the kids the whole elementary school, gets out and has an hour that they walk and get sponsors for their.

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Walk- and I want to give a shout out to them for the effort that they they.

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Provide so that's tomorrow and I'll be walking several times up there. Rain date.

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For that is monday, so good things happening in carroll spring is sprung.

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And there's many many events to get to across the county so certainly keep your.

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Eye on what they are and we've got a spectacular new website now that lists a.

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Lot of those events, so, if you haven't visited our website, I encourage you to.

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Do that all right, let's get into our agenda items for this morning and the.

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First is purchasing replacement, hvac rooftop units for the county office.

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Building justin justin's been or jack-of-all-trades.

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He was just out helping the guys pour the sidewalk and now he's going to be.

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Putting hvac units on that on the building's the marine done is here and.

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Our project manager is also here so good morning to all of you, and we are.

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Recommending that we purchase a packaged, rooftop, cooling and heating units from.

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Trained usa, the amount of 150,000 $21 and, as you can.

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See by your executive summary, it's going to cover four units of twenty seven half.

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50-Ton package, commercial route, rooftop, a portable train, tracer, tdd controller.

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And time and material to let you know that train usa was awarded a contract.

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Through us communities by competitively bid process, and this cost is within the.

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Project budget and no additional funds will be needed, so we are asking your.

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Recommendation or your approval for award to train usa for the rooftop.

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Replacement hvac units in the amount of one hundred fifty seven thousand and.

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Twenty one dollars.

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Questions already are the units that we have right now of the age-old these.

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Units are 22 years, they've been on the on route for 22 years.

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Train, that's a scroll compressor, don't they correct.

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So where's anna said it wears out, but not that I'm quoting their tagline. It's.

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Hard to stop the train, here's the commercial yeah, but that just.

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Got us like 10,000 hours off, surprise in it yeah the competitive big process. He.

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Went through as a criteria used in the competitive bid, you don't have the other.

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Vendors that were submitted any you know we'll. Were there any other? Okay cuz? I.

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Believe there was more than one, but I believe, train and justin can verify that.

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I think that's what we have up there now several places like look for like so you.

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Will rely on us community's coming up with the best bid? Yes, okay, brooke.

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Criteria that they use was similar to criteria you can using lowest bid best.

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Performance they could, yes, they go through the whole competitive process.

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Where their proposals are looked at and evaluated and it's usually the top it's.

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Usually the top three that are chosen, but again I would have to look at the us.

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These action, this actual award, who they awarded to other than trains and we've.

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Used train before absolutely- and these are the units.

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Purchased, okay train yeah: we purchased her in the past.

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There's train units up on the roof. Right now we went with train it's direct.

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Replacement, it's gonna be a quick turnaround. We did look at other options.

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Train had the best price, the other options would have entailed a little.

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More structural engineering on the building, because it would add about.

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10,000 10,000 extra pounds on that side of the building.

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And we weren't comfortable with adding that kind of weight on the existing.

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Building and these units are located right over top of the third floor.

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Commissioners area, that's sort of an important they're, not they're, not near.

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The executive pool up there are they, no okay tiller. So yes, any other.

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Questions on this project make it motion the board of commissioners award.

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Disperses to train us incorporated for the rooftop replacement, hvac units at.

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The amount of hundred fifty seven thousand twenty one dollars. Second, okay,.

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Got a motion in second all in favor aye unanimous. Thank you.

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And now that we have them, we probably should install them correct.

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They weren't bed install no, so we'll turn that again, maureen need to install.

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Them and what we have done was we went out to our term contra.

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Factors and requested quotes for them to install these units and sagamore.

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Mechanical services came in with a low bid at fifty seven thousand six dollars.

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We are asking for your concurrence and approval to award this job to sagem work.

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With fifty seven thousand sixty dollars.

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Questions for justin or that on on this one I say I'd like to factor sagamore's.

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And westminster maryland, so it's a local company. So I do do appreciate that, but.

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They did give the lowest bids, not that we're giving preference but just worked.

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Out just worked out for this one correct: what what do we got on time, then it's.

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Gonna, take the old one down put the new one up. What do you? What are you thinking?

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This is scheduled for a three day friday, saturday and sunday, operation will be.

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Back in business monday morning, wow, okay, excellent, okay,.

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Any other questions, if not I'll, entertain a motion. Your constituents.

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It's a county can move this board of commissioners award the contract for.

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Removal for hvac units and installation of four new you hvac units to be awarded.

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Sagamore mechanical services incorporated in amount of fifty seven.

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Thousand sixty dollars I'll. Second, all.

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Right I've got a motion in second on that all in favor all right. Thank you very much.

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Okay, approval for use of term contracts for kant's consultant construction.

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Inspects inspection management, services and professional land surveying services.

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That's a lot yeah good morning, commissioners, doug brown, deputy director.

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And debbie butler, our bureau chief of engineering commissioners this morning.

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We are before you because we, particularly within our bureau of.

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Engineering have been faced with some challenges over the last month and.

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Losing a couple of our long-term managers out of the area and so that we.

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Can keep up with our construction priorities and needs that were already.

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Scheduled in going on, we would like to use existing term contracts for.

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Consultant, construction inspection management services, as well as.

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Professional land serve services. Now you guys already know, but.

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For our folks that are out there, we have survey designed construction inspection.

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And administration, within the bureau and within those we we have have faced some.

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Struggles over the months we were without our design, division manager.

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Approximately nine months we thankfully just filled that position and we are.

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Very blessed to have mr. sonny chow in there doing that, for us he's been here.

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About two weeks and that's working out great, but at this point we have yet to.

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Have success in filling our other two spots now I will tell you that currently.

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Within our survey manager position, debbie is looking at some applicants and.

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We are hopeful that we will be able to find someone for that. However, it is not.

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Looking as promising yet for us in the construction manager position and that.

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Quite frankly, is our most pressing need. Our construction manager of position was.

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Recently occupied by gentlemen, you all know as jim murphy and that this time of.

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Year is critical: they we have ongoing construction projects. Now our paving is.

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Ramping up our road treatments are ramping up and this person, in addition,.

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To the investment of an employee ultimately saves us money time and and.

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Problems later on in the future, by making sure that everything you all want.

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And have approved is put in correctly and done correctly. So obviously the.

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Absence of staff right now has created a bit of a hardship and so and to try to.

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Bridge this gap until we can get someone hired and on board and provide.

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Continuity, we would like to use this firm now. Debbie obviously has any.

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Background into the firm, as well as working for any specific questions that.

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You have so that's. That's our initial. I have a couple questions. Yes, mam on this.

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Briefing sheet you have in here on the third paragraph in background $25,000.

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Per month, but then on the fourth paragraph you have $25,000 for the.

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Remainder of fy 19, yes, sir, so the $25,000 per month is for.

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The construction manager and that one is a constant position. So that's 40 hours, a.

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Week on site here in our county office building or out handling inspection.

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Services well, whereas carol and services is of the use of a surveyor and that's.

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Only as needed, so staff debbie and her staff have taken on as much of that as.

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We can so the only time that we need to use those professional services is if we.

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Actually require a surveyor stamp $25,000 per month. Yes, especially for an.

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Individual at $625 per hour, if they're working 40 hours, that's pretty extreme.

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Well, that is extreme, not pretty listening to work pretty out. That's.

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Extreme, I don't have the background understanding the cost for this type of.

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Role but six hundred and twenty five dollars an hour to pay somebody here in.

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Carroll county, you know definitely to me, raises a lot of red flags. The surveying.

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Position I have just sent them their first task that I'm asking them to.

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Review for some work in the county, they are also assisting me in a meeting on.

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Friday, as we're talking about our design manual and some right away, standards and.

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That's what you think I mean I agree: 25,000 is probably higher than what.

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We're going to use for the surveying side and we're able to fill in a lot of.

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The duties from that position with some other staff, but but not everything I.

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Mean if there's something that needs a licensed, surveyor seal on it, we don't.

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Have anybody else in the county that has it one but but you're coming to us.

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Requesting $25,000 permanent you're talking about two different things: yeah.

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Commissioner rothstein asked about the inspector good management session right.

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A $25 thousand per month, no, the surveyor, is 25,000 for the.

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To the fiscal year, which is just a few months from right so total so right, it.

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Expectation, and that would be up to 21,000- they don't know right right. The.

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Question was yes, and certainly certainly the other one. Is we we beyond the.

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Control that we have, which is exactly why we're here in front of you, we need to bring this to you before we have so. The first thing is, we haven't reached.

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The 25,000 we never would unless we got your approval first and that the the.

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Cost as those are associated or part of the term contract, its competitively bid.

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Term contract that is in place with county and our bureau of purchasing. If.

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We need these types of services, we can. It is much of the overhead so that.

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Particular employee that comes in here, I assure you, is not making that hourly.

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Rate but it's part of the overhead as they cover the company, because we don't.

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Pay anything for them in regard to benefit but request here. Yes, sir $25,000.

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Per month, yes, sir, for specific services that is $625 per hour. Yes, sir, I am hard.

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Pressed understand how much overhead it takes to get a team. Now I understand the.

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The concern about not having the right hires in place having a workforce in.

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Place, yes, I rather be looking at money using to find the right people to put in.

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Place than a term contract understood 625 an hour I mean I just looking.

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Numbers right do they have any openings. The first question: I want to ask for 625.

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An hour I could switch jobs, but it's a lot of money right how long he has do. We.

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Have we had the openings, I mean sure, but our construction manager position was.

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Originally posted on january, the 25th for the first time it was posted and.

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Then extended from january the 25th to march the 1st, and in that time we had no.

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No hires, we then reposted it again. They were.

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Having the applicants, we did have a few applicants.

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It was under five and we had no successful applicants from that. We then.

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Posted it again on april the 10th and it remains posted to date. It's scheduled to.

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Be posted until 5 1 may 1st, and as of right now, I checked this morning before.

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Coming up, we've had zero applicants. When you said we had no successful applicants.

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Does that mean we offer jobs, they didn't take them or we didn't think they were qualified after interviews not found to be.

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Qualified, what's the starting salary of that position,.

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It is a it is the base pay of ac 13. I believe yes, and I can get that for you. I.

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Don't have that right from absolutely it is not so. 625 is 40 for the entire.

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Month, 40 hours per week, 160 hours, I apologize it's 156 dollars per hour. It's.

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Still a very large amount, absolutely.

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What happens these guys on rainy days when they're shut down the two separate.

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Positions, the construction inspection manager- he did not, they wouldn't be.

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There that day, you know they were pretty much full time. You know, but if.

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Everybody's shut down because of weather, you know we paying, we would not work.

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With are only the hours that they spend here and with the surveying position.

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That is set up more as a part time anyway, because we are able to absorb.

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Of those duties with our current staff.

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I'm trying to check that salary for you right now, because I'm thinking if we.

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Increase the salary offered in that position we could probably land the.

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Qualified person still saved over this, what we're looking at now offering so we.

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Do not disagree with you that it would certainly be gotten right up here so.

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Right now, the the base the base pay for the constructor inspection at ac30, no.

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Thank you is fifty three thousand five forty and we again have not this times a.

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Good reflection, we've gone out, we've tried and we're just not getting anybody.

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It has to do if the salary were offering. I'm sure that if we increase the salary.

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Offered I was like to get more hapless. I disagree. You do yep. I think it's because.

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When the economy is good, no one wants to work for government. There's plenty of.

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Opportunity out there in private industry, because these guys are making.

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Well, they do, but when times get tough in private, they come to government to work.

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Because the benefits be clear about that you're not gonna, get benefits in private.

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Like you're gonna get in in government, so I don't think it's about the salary. I.

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Just think that they're few and far candidates, because they're all working.

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It may be a combination right for the inspection position. I I agree. Timing is.

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Not really on our side, when we advertised and when the retirements took.

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Place, you know every other contractors were or people who are in that industry.

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We're gearing up for this construction season so there it's really settled into.

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Here they are so that could also be a possibility there why the application.

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Mission appraiser not work the other day how many applications they our.

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Opportunities are out there. They, I can't find people to fill them yeah. There were.

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Such a low rate on unemployment, it's yeah, but they hurt. I told her so then.

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The question is: are we willing to pay fifty thousand out for an annual salary.

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For a term contract through the end of this fiscal year, what you're coming to.

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Us what well or before our goal would be we're not stopping the push we. I was.

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Just down and met with director front this morning we're constantly communicating with them. We certainly can explore other options that would require.

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You know obviously work with the county administrator and commissioners with.

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Regard to differing compensation, if we thought that would work.

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But our goal is to get somebody on board working, we haven't stopped and we.

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Continue to do it, but my obligation to you is also not to let you down. I know.

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How many things that we hear regarding roads and issues and I could not have.

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Staff we could not accept an inferior product for you right. That is our.

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Ultimate goal is that we keep things rolling. So that's what we're trying we.

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Brought this to you today, because we do think it's a lot of money and we need we.

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Never do anything in the blind, so we wouldn't do something that you all did.

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Not know about and approve of, that's our main goal for being here today. What.

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Other options, would you be looking at, you said we, you can look at other well.

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Option of course, of action, what potentially it would be compensation.

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Options so obviously we only have a certain degree which we have attempted.

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To go above within the directors, purview and the county administrator, we can only.

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Go increase the potential salaries so much without first coming to the border.

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So if we thought that we wanted to be more marketable and if we had a.

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Discussion, let's say with director frock and she said: okay, we can look in a quick.

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Study shows we need to be here. We would have to bring that before you and say we.

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Would like to make you know this our base money and go out and advertise it.

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For this dollar amount, if we're not successful, I still keep my fingers.

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Crossed there are a lot of you know it's not as opportune at this time, but we are.

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Open to it, you know, may first maybe we'll get an application, but at this.

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Point we have, I recommend that we increase that so we're not don't get.

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Sown qualified at that salary do this job.

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I think it's an absurdity to offer that sorry, salt, for this position.

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And even if we add it $30,000 that we're don't still save a lot of money, I think.

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We need to hear from hr before we do that kind of thing. If I may suggest yeah.

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I don't think we're prepared to make a decision like that ted yeah. I was coming.

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To stand in for kim, I checked against ideas there they're places where clearly.

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We would say if we want to be competitive, we need to offer more, but.

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All these positions are considered in context of all the positions in the.

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County and existing employees and making a change like that has all sorts of.

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Implications that you need to think through yeah yeah what they were just a.

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Contractual hiring is there an alternative instead of making them a.

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Regular county employee, what options again, I want to hear from our hr.

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Director on I get, there are locations to that as well, and so we can, we can have.

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That conversation for sure, but I don't think anyone is prepared for that at the.

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Moment now we're getting into some areas that I think we're not prepared to get.

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Into where's the consultant construction inspection management services out of.

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Where are they out of the one we were are using? Is a morton thomas, the office.

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We work with is in baltimore county, okay, laney valley, road yeah. I know them. Okay,.

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And then, of course, carol ann's right. We know this right here. Okay, what what, if.

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We you know, we were saying that we do 25,000 a month through the end of fiscal.

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Year, what if we changed that to say 25,000 a month or work through fiscal.

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Through the end of the fiscal year, or until such time that we hire okay well,.

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That's not what the motion says. We can change yeah, absolutely yeah, but that's.

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What that was it? Okay? Well, you can't give a motion that anticipates something.

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That's my point: yep.

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Yeah, but I think that's a standard, I don't know how you get. I mean if there.

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If we're gonna tell them not to use them and have them go out and search for somebody cheaper, then we might as well not use them at all, because it's gonna.

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Probably take them a month or so to find somebody, so why even do it at all? Well,.

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Yeah, I will tell you also just to speak on the service that we're getting the.

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Gentleman that is currently occupying the position is a has 36 years in a.

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Business is came on board and literally stepped in to us and has done a.

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Fantastic job, I will say that um with some of the.

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Issues that I've had that I get down from you folks from our citizens. This.

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Individual has been able to go out because of his demeanor work with the.

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Citizens work with the construction companies and the contractors, and we.

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Have literally not missed a beat, in fact, I would say we might have picked a beat.

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Or two up I mean he's, he is he's that good. So I.

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Wouldn't tell you that I absolutely agree when you look at this dollar.

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Amount it's high and again that's why we're here we'll do whatever you tell us.

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To do just understanding that, if it's vacant we, we obviously will have to try.

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To fill the gap somewhere and sometimes things go unchecked, that's it um and it's just my obligation to keep you informed and keeps things.

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Flowing and and you direct me how you want that to happen, and also we will look at the package, is the county administrator said and we'll.

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See what we can come up with with the director of hr and bring that back.

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Before you, if we are not successful before we close on may 1st, I appreciate.

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That and I appreciate you sharing with us this gentleman's talents as well.

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Because that means a lot too, because it's not satisfying us up here. It is all.

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About satisfying the community, so I appreciate those comments: the if we.

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Change this, and would it be doable with a more in thomas to put it into motion.

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Or make a decision on an hourly rate of that 156 per hour and not looking at the.

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25,000 per month, because well yeah, I'm looking at 25,000 per mom, look at every.

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Change of 25,000 per month, but the actual request is.

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You're going you want to pay up until you find somebody.

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Then I rather do an hourly rate, then a retainer rate does that make sense.

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Then I rather address it by the hourly rate than by a monthly retainer, because.

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That to me is given a message that we're locking in a month at a time no, I I.

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Don't like that, and certainly whatever it takes to get you cut you all.

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Comfortable with that, we are not our whole discussion and agreement with them.

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Has been the day that we get somebody on board, that's it! That's it yeah. I think.

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That just needs to be interesting. How we're going to approach this okay or.

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Just say, pursuant to the contract, I'm I would say the hourly rate pursuant to.

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The kind of trust where I can check I know this morning.

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Well, if it's, the hourly rate associated with the dollar amount, retainer its 1:56.

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25 right and if that's the case, that that's fine but that's the approach, I.

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Would take is by hourly rate as opposed to by a monthly retainer. So then, let me.

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Not that's why I don't have a problem with that. I'm just wondering what is.

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That so, then, essentially, what you're saying is: if they perhaps would only work like 30 hours correct, then we only pay them.

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Well, I think in fact that's what dad said that first painter so right now.

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Today, if we have a rainy week, if it rains they're, not they don't come.

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And we don't have build so you're only paying them. We only pay you for the.

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Hours per hour, when they're actually working here so that time for anything.

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We're not getting right that kind of settles that no, they were invoicing us.

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Monthly and maybe that's kind of where the the confusion point came in as a oh.

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So we're not getting this 25,000 dollar bill a month, we're reading again our yes.

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Rate and when they are actually working for us.

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Correct invoiced on a monthly basis, okay right, but the reason the reason of the.

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Awareness and things that are here today is because, and it's because the director.

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Casting way in, I is that we can we're not taking any chance right, so you can.

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Go on with these things, and while it's this much or it's this much so it's not the way we operate right. The potential is, it could be this much and you all.

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Need to know about it and tell us what you want to do: yeah, okay, yes, one thing.

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Changing our approach to seeing, pursuant to the hourly rate, you know personal.

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Anytime, whatever the words we want to use makes a whole lot more sense. Then.

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The way it's written right here saying approximately 25,000 dollars and I can.

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Certainly, step out, if you guys want to you, know, break out step out step down to.

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Purchasing I can follow that exact dollar amount and come back to you in a.

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Matter of seconds: well, we just make the motion as the hourly mizuha, typically to.

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The contract, whether that'll be fine, we don't need.

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Whatever you need, sir, all right, why don't we do that and then or we could be.

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Very specific I have, I just got the purchase order. Number we could say it.

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Was pursuant to that particular purchase order, and that refers to the contract if.

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You wanted to do it that way and then be very clear. I think we're suing them.

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Pursuant to the contract yeah languages, I would make the motion then that the.

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Board of commissioners approved to continue use of a morgan thomas for the.

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Construction inspection management and consulting services for the hourly.

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Hourly rate pursuant to the contracts at the end of physical year, 19 or until.

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Someone is hired, or until someone is hired, whichever is the earlier. I had a.

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Common both carroll and any more thomas they're aware of that, okay, so do I have.

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A second to that I was sucking. Okay, any other questions or comments on that.

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Particular item all those in favor, aye, okay and now the second part of it is.

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The carol anne services- well, that could be, as is the one that's it in here.

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Because it says it's my head's native asis right, that was, I think, that's fine.

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Yeah yeah so to that language? Yes, it's fine, joe okay, with the board of county.

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Commissioners approve the continued continued use of land services carol and.

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Services for a professional land surveying couldn't come, I'm not in the.

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Role now consultation services on as neither basis for the end of fiscal year.

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Nineteen second, okay, all right got a second, yes, sir, all right, all those in.

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Favor aye. Thank you support, commissioner, saying.

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Appreciate the work, thank you and thanks for burning, okay,.

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Item number four request: approval for grant application and acceptance of.

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Award for cascade lake stream, restoration.

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Gaile angles are bureau chief good morning, commissioners morning morning,.

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With me today is kelly. Martin she's gonna go over at the grant application.

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That we're applying for today, I'm asking for approval, so we are requesting your.

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Approval to submit an application to the department of natural resources, chesapeake and coastal grants gateway for two million. Two hundred thousand.

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Dollars for the cascade lake restoration project, as most of you know, the dam.

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Supporting the six acre lake suffered severe structural damage back in july.

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During a storm advantage, which resulted in the draining of the lake and.

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Excavation of the dam, so the bureau staff has met with the flynn's owners of.

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Cascade lake- and they are supportive of us moving forward for grant funding for.

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Construction of the possible stream restoration project in the former lake.

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Bed, this project addresses nutrient reductions and 180 3.58 acres of.

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Impervious area treatment which are requirements of the county's national.

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Pollutant discharge elimination system permit, in addition to the $2,200,000 of.

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This grant request, there's a county match of nine hundred and seventy.

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Thousand dollars for a total project, cost of three million one hundred and.

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Seventy thousand dollars, you have any questions. I just want to point out and.

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I'm hoping correct one appointing this out did we're getting the benefit out of.

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This is accounting. This helps us out with our permit for first somewhere to.

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Management and pollution reduction all that kind of stuff. It's not just a private cascade lake, giving this and using it because they of what happened.

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Over there, but this is helping out the county, which is why this is. You know.

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Good good idea is why the county matches so forth. I would before if it was just.

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Benefiting cascade lake no, but it's better than the county. You know for our.

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Mister npdes permit. That is correct.

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180 3.7 acres of impervious area treatment, which was something that we.

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Didn't have in our plan of doing until this occurred, and we looked at this as.

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An opportunity to get a win-win situation out of it and keep the cost down on the impervious acre treatment as well so dnr. We did.

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Have them out to the site already the way they run things they requested? Do a.

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Site visit before we do a full proposal and they really liked the idea. I mean.

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They were very much on board, so we feel pretty comfortable that we might be in.

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Line to get the grant if we do submit it so we're pretty excited about it.

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Actually, we already had the our porsche vet in our budget for projects similar.

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To this, not necessarily for this one, and so when you say stream, restoration.

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Project just give us a little bit about what that encompasses. Gail, I mean what.

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Are you actually gonna do over there? So us 3,600, linear feet of stream will be.

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Restored in that in that lake bed area and also above the lake bed, what we're.

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Planning on doing is restoring it back to the natural terrain of what it was.

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Before there is a stream li amount of large sediment load that has deposited.

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Obviously, in that lake over the years, so all that sediment will be removed.

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It'll be 6,000 tons of sediment. There you go, we've already kind of did an.

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Evaluation of that, well, that's that go that that will go on to a property. Next.

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Door that will spread it out in the field next door, which is owned by the.

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Flynn's as well, or have a haul site where we will set up a fill operation.

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There, usually we we pull farmers in the area that need topsoil, because that's.

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Actually miscible topsoil so we'll paul pohl farmers in the areas to see if.

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They'll work with us on spreading that out on a farm field or helping with like.

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Areas that are eroded to correct erosion problems, but we work with we're gonna.

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Work with the flynn's first on an on-site haul, because it's cheaper and.

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Then the idea with anything else would go then to another control fill site. So.

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It's like recycled dirt. Is it so the benefits of this is we.

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Would restore the stream back to its natural terrain, we're planning on going.

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Down to bedrock so we can pull off cold water from the bedrock area, which will.

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Then help address trout. We want to make sure the trout are happy. So we've.

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Brought dnr in on this we've had them involved in our project. As far as.

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Thinking of ways that we can get through the permitting process and actually they.

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Are very much in support of the project and we're planning on proceeding if we.

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Do get the grant award from dnr, so you understand that the only thing I'll be.

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Recording in newspaper is smiling trout. We are that the county is concerned with.

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Happy trout, it's a good quote, brook trout, right, so you're restoring this to.

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The stream that was originally there before 1920, sir right there is a stream.

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Feeding into what was the lake before and then, of course, you have the bypass area that is currently bypassing which will now be brought into the stream bed.

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Itself so we'll do away with that channel and alongside the stream that.

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Used to bypass the lake area and there's a lot of wetlands above that or the area.

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Absolutely: okay: what? What is the temperature that make trout, happy, 68.

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Degrees c, we all have that program in our end. What about the best? Okay? Well, I.

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Think this is it. This is a great way to to repair what occurred there. We're.

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Making puppets in your district and I'm kind of good with that, I'm gonna move.

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The board of county commissioners approve this: the middle of the grant, application and acceptance of the ward to the chesapeake and coastal grants.

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Gateway for the cascade lake stream, restoration in I will second any other.

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Questions or comments all those in favor. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, same.

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Thing: mayberry gun club stream; restoration. Yes, so for this request,.

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We're requesting two million five hundred thousand dollars from the chesapeake and coastal grants gateway for the mayberry gun club stream.

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Restoration project, the primary goal of this project is to restore approximately.

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6,000 linear feet of bear branch to a stable natural reach that enhances the.

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Natural habitat and reduces the impacts to the mayberry game association.

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Property, this stream shows severe bank stress. It lacks proper channel.

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Definition and it has inadequate, floodplain captivity. This addresses.

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Nutrient reductions and provides over 62 acres of impervious area, treatment, which.

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Are requirements of the county's national pollutant discharge elimination system permit? In addition to the $2,500,000 of the grant request, there is.

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A hundred and seventy thousand dollar county match for a total project cost of.

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Two million six hundred and seventy thousand dollars, so I've walked a good.

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Bit of that at the gun club and know what the issues are there- and this is.

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Also another great project that clearly needs to be done just to be a little bit.

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Of background, we were actually approached by the gun club, so that was.

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Gonna be, I was gonna. I was gonna prompt you to answer that question because I.

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Knew that cuz, I talked to several the guys over there too and right. So we were approached about two years ago by the gun club. We.

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Actually submitted this request to dnr last year as well, we weren't far enough.

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In a law, along with the plan, so they rejected the.

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Grant award to us at that time, but we we have been working very closely with a.

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Gun club on the plan through the plan process- and they did give us a letter of.

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Support for this application as well, so we are hoping that we will get some.

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Consideration this year for this project.

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What do you think the what's the time period for this project and will, but it.

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Won't disrupt any of their activities over there. I wouldn't think that they.

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Were thinking, construction could start as early as january next year would go.

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Out to bid for construction next january and then it would be finished by october.

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So we've we've discussed with them the fact that we may be in there in the area.

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That they are shooting in their shooting range was a real concern to us and we.

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Are limiting our time of operation to work with them, so we obviously won't be.

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Working on the weekend, which is their busiest time right- and we will also be.

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Ending our work around four o'clock in the evening, which then allows them, but.

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We've taken all that into consideration why we work through the process so.

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Winner, we're hoping is, when we'll be doing most, the construction, which is.

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Their least use time right and the fact remains that, since that they approached.

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Us that they would be willing to do that as well. Right, yep, good, okay, all right.

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I'm gonna make this motion that we approve the submit all the grant.

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Application acceptance award of the chesapeake and coastal grants gateway.

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For the mayberry gun club stream, restoration all right any other.

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Questions on this project, all those in favor to good projects. Thank you.

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Director, this is very happy back there for this all right item number six is.

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Approval of fund transfer for the delaney property, mr. jack live burn. Our.

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Director of economic development joins gail jack michener's good morning before.

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We start some good news, we noticed was off the agenda, but we had over 400.

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Children out at the farm museum this week doing projects and understand it.

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About the environment, we've never had such a larger group anywhere from the.

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Coastal academy, we put him to work, of course, but we had a very onerous partner.

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He's got some very good press on we've got good press julian. Does a great.

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Job on press and we had over 400 students out there and we had over a.

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Hundred parents and teachers snow is just wanted to give you the good news.

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And we think it could press so excellent. Thank you. Thank you.

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Delaney property, as you know, delaney property is a site of about 125 acres.

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It's almost 65 to 75 usable, but we have. We want to make a transfer and gales.

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Going to go over the problem with the soil, so we have been actively using the.

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Delaney property as a fill site on some of our projects down in the eldersburg.

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Area, it's very close proximity to a few. The projects that we've worked on over.

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The past several months, and what we basically do is by having it within a.

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Five-Mile radius, it keeps the cost of hauling down by 12 to $15 cubic yard. So.

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At the time when we started working with the delaney property, it was considered.

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An ag property, therefore, we did not have to do compaction on the field that we.

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Were placing there? Obviously, you wouldn't want to compact the farm field, so we were moving forward with that in the foreground of our thoughts when we.

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Prepared the site for phase 2, which is now what we're currently using the area.

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Of that area will be filled with your approval today, but we awarded a contract.

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To white pine for them to do the fill operation based on a farm field, not.

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Compaction and then we were approached by economic development and also the.

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Fact that they were going to be changing the zoning to possibly being future.

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Employment campus, which kind of put a different focus on that because at that.

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Point in time, the ground being brought in needed to be compacted fill because.

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Of the possibility of buildings being built on in that area, so we then.

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Approached white pine, who is already under contract with us for the sediment.

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Control as well as stabilization and topsoil removal to enter into a contract.

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With economic development for the compaction of that fill, that's being.

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Brought in so that's the request that we're asking today is for you to approve.

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The transfer funding for it- let's do this yeah, it's.

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Not really yeah, it's a little more complicated that than that, because of.

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Our rules and ordinances that what allow you to do and don't allow you to do but.

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You'll see there are three staff recommended motions. One is to allow the.

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Approval the compaction in the first place for white pine to do the work that.

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That gail, just referred to the second, is to reserve $200,000 the amount that this.

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Will cost in economic development infrastructure fund at the end of fiscal.

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Year, 19 and and then the third is to then appropriate 200,000 in fy 22. The.

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Mpps to sort of pay back mpvs for the work that they'll do in fiscal year, 19.

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What's the depth of your fill, the depth in some areas are about 12 to 15 feet in.

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Other areas you know you're you're, then adjusting to the great so you're.

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Basically, tying in to what's there now so there's a very large amount of fill.

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Going into that property and that's leveling it off, we did a study carol and.

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Services did a study of what that site could look like if it was developed out.

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So we're basing the fill operation on that plan to develop that out one day so.

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We're using what they've, given us as our plan for our compacted fill area. We.

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Couldn't use the site with without the compaction, with the footers and.

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Everything, so we really, we had the money in the infrastructure point and that's.

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That this is the use that we intended to be, but we wouldn't be able to take to.

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Site without the compaction, since now it's going to be a campus and we're.

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Gonna build buildings, we've been working with carolyn and with carolyn. Yes, we.

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Authorized the transfer of this property to the idc.

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Idea I apologize oh yeah a couple months ago. The funds within the I da don't.

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Cover this, the idea is not taking this property, they won't take it. One idea.

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Will not take ownership at a property until we know we have compaction on the.

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Site so when we premature authorizing the transfer or is this the next step.

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That needs to occur before the actual transferring to the idea crews. Yes, this.

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Is the next step once this is done, the idea will they've been working with.

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Isaac's been working with our eternities and we will take ownership without, but.

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The idea we'll take ownership at that point, but at the time we expecting this.

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Additional cost or no, no, no, no! No, this is it. Unfortunately, we were proposing to.

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Bring that fill in as, like I indicated a farm field right and then, when I heard.

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The session that you had about the price I immediately went to mr. libran and.

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Said we've got a really big problem here, because I have materials being delivered.

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There- and you know we aren't compacting those materials, we were basing it on.

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Farm and then that's when we met with eye-dea during their session and we.

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Discussed it would be better to maintain it as a county property. Why we did our.

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Fill operation and then it would be turned over to id a once. We were.

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Finished the fill operation, what's your timeframe, we are planning on being out.

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Of there by this fall, so we have a couple projects we're taking in there. We.

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Actually have one right across the street from that property, but we decide.

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To switch gears and take a couple of other sites into there and not take the.

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One across the street we'll go to another area with that, because we want.

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To be out of there, we've committed to being out of there by the fall. This is.

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This actually just moving dirt into there and then compacting. So what about.

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All that dirt, that's moved on 26 by homewood I mean. Is there still dirt.

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Being moved there well yeah, so that's we have so much dirt missioner that we had.

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To find so, there's no other words there's plenty to go around to support.

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That and okay, yes, unfortunately yeah there is seven. Seventy thousand cubic.

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Yards coming out of elderwood right stage, this is still a win-win.

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Situation because you got bring in somewhere, this is at least close proximity to transfer the dirt from one place to another. So right, it's a still a.

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Benefit, we are absolutely saving a lot of money by going.

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Within that five-mile radius to do so, even though you have to, and even though.

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It's going to go into a second location. I mean that that that's important again.

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How we are trying to continue to be fiscally conservative on how we're doing.

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Operations we're finding a need and a location in close proximity to move this.

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Dirt to the delaying property, even though it still has to be compacted.

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We're saving a lot of money right sure I understand and as a sidebar we're we're.

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Gonna continue to market the property. Even now we will market the property, no.

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We're gonna get compaction, we're not stopping right. You know we're out there marketing tomini right now as a project. This is a.

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Win-Win for both okay where's it to our thousand coming from it's coming from.

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The infrastructure fund right, the money is there from this. She already have it.

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You already have in transferring over to yes, unfortunately, because of legal.

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Constraints that our county works under it's not a simple transfer from one.

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Function to another there, your your ordinances, don't allow you to transfer.

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To I I'm playing ted, so let's bring this book back to you can't do that when he's.

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Standing it's yeah. The actual is right here, yeah to the capital fund in the.

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Middle of the year, that's only when the actor is absent. It will not be a.

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Transfer so get that idea out of your minds now the problem is the money we.

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Want to use is in the general fund. The project you want it to be used on is in.

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The capital fund right and the only way to make this a transfer and the way you.

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Would think about it? We would have to open up the budget to amend the capital.

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The capital budget, so you know it's new budget public hearing and everything.

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That goes through that, so what we have suggested as an alternative is that.

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You direct that $200,000 not be spent in the infrastructure grant, so at the end.

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Of the year 200,000, whatever else happens, $200,000 is sitting there. That.

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Money falls to fund balance in the fiscal year 20 budget. We would.

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Appropriate $200,000 to this project and then the end result. You wanted still.

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Happens: it's just a more complicated path to getting there. Okay.

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Got it yeah so as a result of that conversation, I'm not sure that these.

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Recommended motions are correct, I believe we're going to have to change.

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The wording so they are correct, as reflected by what ted just said: yeah, yes,.

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This is meant to accomplish what I just said. What you just said sounds so much.

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Simpler than this is too busy spend the money, not transfer money, but spending.

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Money from one line to another, I as long as we're doing what you just said with.

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These three that I'm good three things you're, saying: okay, the compaction; okay.

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You're saying make sure there's $200,000 still in this budget at the end of the.

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Year and and 20 we will, we will appropriate the money. Okay.

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You want three separate, or can it be doll? Okay, all right.

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So I'm moving at the board of county commissioners approved the compaction of.

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Delaney property in the amount of $200,000, sir, all right, that's number one.

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All in favor aye aye, I move that the $200,000 be reserved from economic.

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Development infrastructure and grants at the end of fy 19. Second, all in favor all.

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Right and the 30s, I move that the $200,000 be appropriated, fy 22, the npdes.

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Capital project, nine nine to zero got a second all in favor aye. I think now you.

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Have what you need to do, research? Thank you. We lose kind of dirty getting there.

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But we got there well, you were, do you want to do there? Thank you.

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Hater brain sir, and thank you guys. It isn't situation and it is a good.

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Location to add: that's yep, yeah, okay item; seven approval of carroll county.

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Public schools, fy 19, cip budget transfers and assistant superinten of.

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Operations from ccps mr. john o'neill john good morning good morning, president.

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West commissioners also like to note that board of education vice president.

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Marsha herbert has joined me, for I think moral support.

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We may be just as a brief reminder some information for the two of you newly.

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Elected under maryland, public education law anytime, the board of education makes.

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An adjustment or a transfer to their operating or capital budgets within 30.

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Days, those approved actions have to come across the street to you for your.

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Consideration in action, and so it doesn't happen too often, but usually.

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This time of year, we bring a couple in this case at the last board meeting for.

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That meeting in april, the board of education approved two separate.

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Transfers within its capital budget, so these are transfers from one category.

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Existing in the in the board of eds capital budget to another project, I.

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Guess I should say more than category in the case of capital, within the board of.

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Eds capital budget, so this isn't a request to you for additional funding.

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This is funding that already has been allocated to the school system and then.

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There's there's two separate things here now. Do you want me to just talk about.

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Them both and then you could take them. One of you will take them one at a time.

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Just to make it official, okay, john the first one, so I have one at least in.

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Board of ed documents- titled 19-0 one- this is a transfer of.

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There's two items on this transcript: there's a transfer of a hundred and.

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Fifty thousand dollars from the friendship valley, school roof replacement project into the linton springs elementary school roof.

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Replacement project and then also four hundred and fifty thousand transferred.

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From the francis scott key roof replacement project into the sandymount.

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School roof replacement project and the reason behind this one is that something.

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That our director of facilities, mr. ray prokop, has been speaking about as often.

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As he can over the last decade, concern with we've always tried to be when work.

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With your staff, try to be as fiscally responsible as we can when we set.

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Project budgets and ray has often commented that roofing is one of the.

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More violent volatile markets and then maybe we were pinching that too close.

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But we've been ok over the last many years and we've done quite a few roofing.

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Projects with your assistance in this case, both of these bids came in under.

P

And both of these bids, I believe, came in not the same firm, but both of these bids.

P

Came in with only one responsive bidder in each case, and so that's kind of a a.

P

Double thing that we needed to look at and monitor and that it, that is a.

P

Problem that other boards of n and maryland have been experiencing over the.

P

Years we've been, like, I said, doing: okay with it.

P

So for future projects as we develop them and work with if the board approves.

P

Them and work with your staff we'll take a look at how we're how we're.

P

Determining budgets, but in this case, to keep these projects.

P

Moving this summer, we need to make these transfers within the board of eds.

P

Approved capital budget to award the bids and keep the projects going forward.

P

So that's the background on 19:01, okay. Why don't we take action on.

A

That one and then do them that way, it's official so I'll, entertain a motion to.

A

Make the transfer based on requests 19 debt, I might as well just do it I'll.

H

Make the motion that we we we make the budget transfer based on the details.

A

Surrounding budget item 19 0 1 I'll second, alright, any other questions.

A

Hold on, and here comes, ted 19-0 one is actually their number okay. What's our.

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Number is c nineteen point, one two and unit so I'll mend my motion to include.

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Our number, which is c nineteen, point one two well second, okay, technical stuff.

A

Yeah all right any other thoughts on that one all in favor, all right. Okay,.

A

John great, thank you, and I don't know your number on the second one, so I'll.

P

Just call it the second one in ted ted can pop back up at me. You don't know the.

A

Number, john and we're not doing it well.

P

This one is this: one is a bit more of a complex discussion that you already have.

P

When your agenda for your joint meeting with the board of ed in part, it's one of.

P

The items on the agenda so I'll try to do it quickly be happy to answer any.

P

Questions you want now, but just know that if you want to have a much more.

P

Detailed conversation you already have that pending for you on may 2nd. We have.

P

A local capital project count called infrastructure renewal and I think that.

P

Mirrors the kind of terms you use for your operations as well, and that's sort.

P

Of a project account that addresses not major big school construction, roofs, hvac.

P

S or modernisations, but those smaller renewal projects that still need to.

P

Occur kind of think of it as things not quite big enough that the state might.

P

Participate in them a couple and superintendent guthrie's last budget, so.

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At the end of the last budget year, a decision that the board of ed made to.

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Balance its operating budget was to reduce our operation line-item in.

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Facilities by about four hundred thousand four hundred fifty thousand.

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Dollars, I think it was, and that finished that eliminated basically that amount of.

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Money we had in our operating budget to do these kinds of projects. These renewals, these repairs, these smaller, but still.

P

Costly capital projects and the board transferred the board of ed, which you.

P

Ultimate, which the board of commissioners ultimately approved as kind of an offset to that action to balance the operating budget transferred.

P

With, ultimately, your approval money from our fund balance into the board of eds.

P

Capital infrastructure, renewal project- and we kind of hoped at the time that.

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Maybe we would have four years or so money there to get us through four years.

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Or so of projects, that's that didn't turn out to be the.

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Case we have, we have a significant project underway or that will be.

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Underway, the assessment is happening now at westminster, high it's on most of the.

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Main what you would think of is the main section. I think it's the a section.

P

Technically of the school, if you, if you drive in a ride by front or back you'll,.

P

See that there are protective awnings over the entrances to that wing and then.

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At least in the rear of the school some area- that's a fenced off for some.

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Distance from the building and what's happening is over decades of rain water.

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Getting in between the the brick and the flashing, the grout or the masonry around.

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The brick has begin to erode and in the back it's it's almost in all cases at.

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The very top of the building at the roofline in the back, that's three.

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Stories so it's way off the ground. Thus the protective equipment don't want. You.

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To think that bricks are flying off the school or anything like that- that's not the case, but this is something that we need to address and address as soon as.

P

We can, and so we could take care of it this summer. The problem is for us in.

P

Terms of long term, thinking about our infrastructure renewal needs. That's.

P

Pretty much gonna deplete the infrastructure renewal project we set up.

P

With with the fund balance to two budgets ago, and so this transfers to try.

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To be proactive to to replenish that account, and so the mount airy middle.

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School replacement was completed in 2013, we're almost through all the guarantees.

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Stages on the major systems and we feel very comfortable transferring this four.

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Hundred thousand dollars out of the mount airy replacement project into the.

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Local infrastructure, renewal project and we believe that this four hundred.

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Thousand dollars will ultimately cover everything that has to happen at.

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Westminster high school that took way longer than I thought it would dad.

A

That's good there you go probably would eliminate some of the.

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Questions we may be able to move this okay. I guess we need the county's.

B

Line-Item no, no, this as well. It would be the same. Well, you know: what's the number.

A

On this one, actually, there looks like there was a little bit of disconnect.

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John, do you have you have a a transfer from francis scott key to sandy.

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Millisecond on the mount airy: okay, we don't want to have to read the motion.

B

Twice right: the transfer from friendship valley to linton with you. They were.

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Combined should we have done him okay? Well, we actually don't have a resolution.

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Prepared for this then so the number would be c 19, ., 14. Okay. Is it a.

A

Problem that you don't have that prepared or can we make the decision.

M

Yeah- and I think you can go ahead with it- okay, I need to follow up with the.

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Paperwork: okay, just want to make sure they were procedurally, okay, all right, I.

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Like to make have the board make the motion to prove for the budget transfer.

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Of fiscal year, 19 cip budget c, 19, dot, 14 or 14 down here that correctly.

A

Yeah, so okay, I've got a motion in second for this action. Any other questions on.

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This project, all those in favor hi. Thank you. Thank you, john.

E

Thanks for the support, okay, next on our agenda is a briefing on the carol alert.

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Mass notification system.

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Our director of public safety, scott campbell and company and I'll, let him do.

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The introductions good morning, commissioners of the morning, good.

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Morning, my role today is committed to the pleasure of introducing these two.

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Individuals, miss valerie hawkins, the emergency management manager and a.

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Belated congratulations. Last thursday, miss hawkins was officially sworn by the.

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Clerk of the circuit court isn't correct, so she is officially sworn as your.

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County's emergency manager and to her left is matt rodriguez. Who is the.

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Assistant manager of the emergency manager and they're here to give you I.

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Think it's a good message. It's an opportunity for the public to become.

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More aware, the things going on in the county that may affect their welfare.

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Good morning, commissioners, thank you for the time to discuss this with you give.

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You a little bit of background, as we mentioned in the briefing paper since.

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2015 we've been utilizing a web-based solution offered by ever bridge for both.

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Emergency and non-emergency notification capabilities so a lot of what we use it.

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For is internal there's a lot of department of public works uses it a lot.

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We use it an apartment of public safety for internal employee notifications. We.

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Also utilize it as what people normally think of as a reverse 911 one system.

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That's it's not technically a reverse nine with one system, because that is a.

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Trademarked phrase, but that's what the easiest way to think about it. What we're.

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Doing right now and why we're coming before you today is we've enhanced those.

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Capabilities of the system to provide an opt-in for the public to add text, email.

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And matt will go into a lot more of the detail with regard to how all of the.

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Opt-In capabilities are with this, but we want to ride you with an overview.

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Of the changes, what we're doing with the system and what capabilities citizens.

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Are now going to have after we open up the portal and turn it over to matt? We.

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Have a short presentation: it's not very long, just a few slides, but I'm kind of.

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Illuminate what we're talking about a little bit better so again, thank you for.

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Having us, commissioner, so before we get started, I would just.

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Definitely like to thank a lot of people, a lot of agencies who were back to this.

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Back to this, the system, basically between the department of public safety.

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Just as a whole between our office and emergency management between dispatch.

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Between jax people, just all of their support has been great, as well as our.

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Local law enforcement agencies and our fire companies, their support, has been.

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Great in taking trainings and everything getting prepared for this system, the launch- I just a lot of background work as well as those agencies would.

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Definitely like to thank chris weinbrenner and chris wham, just kind of like to give a shout out for them for their support in the state.

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In this system, they've done a lot of work and getting it actually basically.

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Set up for public that public's problem, so with that we'll go into what carol.

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Alert is so care alert is carroll, county's, public emergency, alerting.

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System so again, it's powered by every bridge. It's offered to the public at no.

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Cost so they're able to go in and sign up for it, there's no additional charge.

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Anything like that associated with it, and so basically what this is for is for.

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Them to to receive emergency alerts, this isn't necessarily for general government.

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Notices anything like that, but this is for basically life threatening alerts.

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So again, when, as I mentioned, when time is critical and it's you know, it has an.

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Impact on health safety and their well-being, that's what the system is.

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Used for so how does the system work well, basically, whenever your agent may be in.

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Danger we will actually send out a notification.

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Allowing people to evacuate, shelter in place kind of giving them that kind of.

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Direction in order to you know that is so. I just have an example on here for.

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You so an example with this would be hazardous materials. A truck is heading.

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Down the road with you know, methyl ethyl bad stuff, basically in it and the.

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Trucker returns spreading a lot of stuff through the air and it's heading towards.

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The neighborhood, so care alert, would be the system that would be used for notifying those residents to either evacuate or shelter-in-place. So gravel.

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Road that no I'm sorry prius, but so basically with this, the people would be.

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Alerted via their a phone call affects an email, a text message. It basically.

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Just allows us to expand our capability that we already have to alert the people.

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Button via other methods and then in wrap-up, basically, the citizens would.

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Receive those notifications and then they would receive a kind of a.

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Conclusion message: at the end, when everything's done.

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So hardly alert descent. So again we can reach people via their home, their home.

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Number, their sole number, their business phone number text messages push notifications. There is an ever rich app that will be.

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Releasing information on later on, basically to receive notifications, we.

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Have ever rich app email, hearing-impaired devices such as like.

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The tty, the phone service, as well as I pause, and we owe alerts, say the.

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Integrated public alert and warning system, as well as c wireless emergency alerts, so basically kind of. In summary, those amber alerts that you get on your.

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Phone, you don't necessarily subscribe for we're able to push those out as well.

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I just get people into safety sooner rather than later, and so what what? What.

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Alerts are we going to say so again, evacuations shelter-in-place, hazardous.

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Materials incidents, dam emergencies. We saw how that kind of went. So you know.

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Wanting to send those alerts would be better sooner rather than later,.

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Police activity of barricades actually up in ham, stone. We had the barricade.

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Situation up there, we actually sent an alert out with our existing methods.

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Critical lost and missing poor lost or missing persons. Sorry, we actually had to.

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Send a message out before up here in westminster a couple years ago for a.

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Critical missing person who was lost and wandering wasn't necessarily warranting.

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A silver alert, so we were able to send our alert to actually get that out to.

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The public for them to be on the lookout for them and then extreme weather events.

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And extreme car traffic events now I do want to make a note that the extreme.

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Weather event, side of this, this system should be relied on for general weather.

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Or notifications, anything like that we're gonna turn in the national weather.

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Service, so this is kind of this- would be more of a supplement to that service, but.

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We shouldn't, we wouldn't expect people to rely solely on the service for their.

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Weather alerts and in extreme traffic conditions so basically say major.

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Roadways out down 27 or anything like that or down 140. If there's something.

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Just so far in left feet we'll send a message for traffic alerts.

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But it's not necessarily used for the general traffic, and so why should you.

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Sign up, because if we can't reach you, we can't alert you. This system depends.

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On people signing it for the system and being and being able to be alerted when.

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These things come up so especially those folks who may live.

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Where self service isn't so great, if they're signed up for these alerts, but.

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They have wi-fi capability, they're able to receive the alerts on their cell phones, their email and any such that you can use over black wire and again so.

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Time is critical to take action, and so the system provides that conduit between.

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Us actually getting that message out and actually getting it out to the public in.

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A timely manner, and so how can people sign up so they can go to carol org.

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That's gonna be our main page for the care alert system or people are able to.

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Or will be able to sign up manually so they can go to any locations listed.

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Between here, the carroll county senior centers, the libraries, the sheriff's.

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Office, the human services programs and the local fire departments we're gonna.

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Put up the rack cards and whatnot out there for people to basically mail in.

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Their information for us to manually sign them up, and so that's pretty much.

S

It just thank you all for your support, thus far and just again just want to say.

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Thanks to everybody, who's been in the background in this process, making it all happen.

A

Westen's yeah, so that's excellent! So just when I signed up there was there.

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There was a little bit of a disconnect, and maybe it was just me as to your.

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Location and how you wanted to be notified, based on where you were so for.

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Example say that you live in taneytown, but you work in eldersburg and you want.

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To be notified, either of something that's going on in eldersburg and.

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Certainly, you want to be notified of something that's going on in taneytown.

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It does provide the ability to be able to put different locations on there.

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Correct and- and so just maybe explain that a little bit and I know that the.

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Size of carroll is not huge, so it's not a big deal because I would probably.

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Think that you'd get a notification anyway and that's question: that's 1a and.

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1B, how about as it pertains to neighboring jurisdictions, you know say.

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There's a something going on in reisterstown and the folks in thinks.

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Berg should know how do we are we doing anything with mutual aid, or what are we.

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Doing there well answer the easier one: first: okay, the way that the cysts and it.

R

Probably be most helpful to explain a little bit of the background about what the system is actually doing in the background, when you sign up your example.

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If you want to be, if you have your cell phone and you want to and you're signing.

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Up to receive messages on that particular device for tony your address.

R

In taneytown, the system is creating an address point and it's associated that.

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Address point that you give it for your title address with the phone number it.

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Creates a contact point, and that goes into the database. And when we draw a.

R

Circle that encompasses that contact point. It's setting sending the.

R

Notification to that device: okay, okay: you can set up multiple addresses with.

R

The same phone number, so what you're saying you can absolutely do.

A

And I think I did that: okay yeah that's good yeah, so, for example, um I'll use it.

R

My example I live in the county, but I live in the southern end of the county.

R

My mother lives here in westminster, so if I wanted to sign up with my device.

R

For my home and my mom's, I can do that so that if something goes on at her.

R

House, I'm not necessarily being advised on hers on my phone for the county. You.

R

Might not catch it, but because I've signed up with her address attached to.

R

That phone number I'll get the notification. Does that make sense yep.

A

Okay: okay, with regard to mutual aid and neighboring counties. In order to do that,.

R

None of the systems are linked. You know, on baltimore county for your example.

R

Does have a have a similar system, frederick county has a similar system.

R

How you all of the different jurisdictions have a little bit of a.

R

Different take on how it's done in order to accomplish what you're saying right.

R

Now that would rely on basically throw baltimore county, saying: hey. We have.

R

Something going on, can you push it out? Two things to the residents in finksburg.

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Because it's close or if we happen to know that, there's something going on, we.

R

Could reach out the other way, so it really relies on more of a it's, not a.

R

Mutual aid type of deal- it's not an automatic mutual aid right.

R

Tied together like that, but it is something that could be done upon.

R

Request, okay and we can send out whatever notification we won if.

R

Baltimore county were to say: hey: we've got something close to the line. Can you please send out a notification within this okay? Now one thing I and to add.

R

Another wrinkle to it if baltimore county sends out a wireless emergency.

R

Alert and I pause alert that is, geographical- that relies on the cell.

R

Towers so when you get an amber alert on your phone or something or a.

R

Presidential alert, that's what those are. Those rely geographically, they're.

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Geo-Fenced, so they rely on the cell towers that are surrounding the area.

R

That you draw on the map, so it's possible that baltimore county could.

R

Send out an emergency alert of that type and if somebody on the carroll county.

R

Side of the line would get it that would be automatic, but it would have to be.

R

Through that system, and would necessarily are okay, okay, we could.

R

Duplicate it and send it out again, but there's got to two sides of it and it.

R

Gets kind of complicated, I know it does, there's all the different systems and I.

A

Know you know when, in the gmac meetings, when I'm sitting there, that you know.

A

There's always a regional approach to these to these things, which is why I.

A

Asked you know how would physically be able to do that and whether they could.

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Link or whatever, so they don't link automatically okay, you know the answer.

R

To a regional alert is really wireless. Emergency alerting right, probably threw.

R

Me off right after mimo. Okay, can citizens accesses food, a new carroll.

E

County webpage, yes, so the if they go to carroll org, so I'll put that back up. If.

S

They go to that website that actually links to a specific care alert page on.

S

The new counties website and then from there they can kind of gain a little bit more information from it and then they can go on inside out. So is this red roll.

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Good, as long as you all are all right with it.

R

As long as the board of county commissioners is happy with what we've done and you're ready to roll, then we're ready to roll as soon as you say, go go.

A

All those in favor go go now. I want to applaud you for for taking the steps.

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Here, of course, you know I I don't want to take the thunder here, but anything.

A

That you do with emergency management, public safety realm, any improvements.

A

That we make are priceless and it this is good good stuff. It really is so thank.

A

You we approve yeah. I appreciate I'll support the rear seat from you. What, if.

C

Someone needs help signing up so on the next. We actually have our number down.

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There so they're welcome to email us or call us with questions anything like.

S

That, okay of how to actually sign up and go through the process, I will share. I just two minutes just signed up. It's very.

D

Intuitive wait a very easy. It took robbery yesterday.

R

And one thing that I'd met did pet touch on and you probably saw it when you go.

R

To sign up, if you sign up on a mobile device, it will prompt you, do you want to.

R

Install the app there is an app that you don't need to you, notifications. You.

R

Don't have to but the capability is there for glows. Well, there's an app for.

R

That very intuitive okay, thank you, commissioner. You guys keep up the good.

A

Work thanks. Okay, look at that.

A

11:30 all right prior to agendas. Are there anything any.

A

Issues or open admin before I give mine.

L

Okay, so timely that we're in session I can.

A

Get your opinions before I make the decision, because the decisions needed.

A

Shortly on this, you know: we've been working with the board of elections.

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Salary issues and we we did the we made art- gave our support for the rcc.

A

Yesterday or day before, in reference to that, they were looking at 17 percent pay.

A

Raise 9 next year and 8 the year after or whatever so, the chairman of the rcc.

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Did meet with the chair of the state board of elections, jack wilson from.

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Queen anne's- and they are understanding of the concerns that they got in their.

A

Letter so they have suggested to alternate pay proposals and while I've.

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Got you guys sitting beside me? I can get that so I can pass it along option. A is.

A

A 3% cola and 3% raise in fy2013 21, 22 and 23 for option b. 3 percent raises for.

A

5 years any thoughts, so the first year would be 6 percent correct, a cola and a trace of.

A

6% and then 3% in one two and three, which would get.

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Them to six nine twelve fifteen percent race, which is almost what they asked for.

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In two years, but they've spread it out and b gives three percent raises for.

A

Five years, which is kinda mirrors what we have done in our budget, so.

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Suggestions that I can pass on b, yes, yeah, three percent spread out over five.

A

It makes sense to vote, agree. Okay, you guys with that financially I'll reach.

A

Out three percent: each year, yeah yeah for the next five, as opposed to six.

A

Percent next year and then yeah, I think this might be a better way to do it. Make.

A

Deal now, I don't know whether that you know it remains to be seen what decision.

A

They're gonna make but at least they're providing options which I, which I think.

A

Is good because you know the word on the street was well they're, not gonna, budge.

A

I think they are a little bit and I think they heard loud and clear from the.

A

Rcc, which I'm very happy they've they've, heard that all right, if it's okay with.

A

You guys I will reach out to the rcc and make that appropriate notification. Yep.

L

Yep: okay, anything else for open admin, if not we'll go into agendas.

A

The week of april, the 29th monday hope you had senior policy meeting at 1:00 at.

A

The health department I'll be attending 6:00 p.m. is taste of carol I'll, be.

A

Attending I think yeah ed you're going as well. I am.

A

That's for carol hospice. It is a 20 steam yeah, so that kind of that scares.

A

Me a little bit with you, I'm just saying yeah. I know okay.

A

To tuesday the 30th at 10:00 a.m. we have open session to include the release.

A

Of our proposed budget and that's it on wednesday may the first is the carroll.

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County board of education budget work session- that's commissioner, weaver at 4:00 p.m. thursday. The second you believe it's may already thursday. The.

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Second, is the carroll county, sherriff's prayer, breakfast and all five of us will.

A

Be attending and after that, we going to open with request approval for grant.

A

Application and acceptance of award of cascade lake it's that quick. I have to.

C

Say something the prayer breakfast is at 7:00 and we have posed have closed at.

C

9:00, I don't think that's possible. No, I don't think so either. I just take.

A

That off of there yeah, because we're there's no way we'll get over here, mine.

J

Good good catch dennis. Thank you and please note that if you sit with roberta.

B

Win them for breakfast you'll be eating. Layest you'll be hard-pressed to be here.

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By 10:00, all right public safety training center update resolution to.

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Award airport bond financing and that's all we have for that day- 1:30 we have.

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The joint that's for open session 1:30 p.m. we have a joint board of.

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Commissioners and board of education meeting that's an away game and it will.

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Be in the winchester building, 7:00 p.m. is.

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The first of our proposed budget presentations at mount airy library.

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Friday may the 3rd is the first friday business breakfast at boulder's.

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Commissioner, boucher is attending that 8:00 a.m. commissioner rothstein will be.

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Involved with carroll tech council at one of their events, 10:45 a.m. is the.

A

Special needs prom at south carroll, high school and commissioner weaver will be.

A

Attending that you have a bowtie for that, uh mr. weber, no he's letting me.

E

Walk: oh, I see that you have one okay at noon: union mills, homestead, flower and.

A

Plant market opening- I thought that was tomorrow- that's next friday may flowers.

D

I had the wrong friday. Okay, I said that in prior here it's a next friday, all.

A

Right so maybe the weather would be better, it's yeah, it might be yeah. I had.

A

The wrong friday, okay, that's at noon and at 5:00 p.m. it's. We.

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Also will can continue with a they're continuing with a reception that they're.

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Having and commissioner commissioner boucher will be attending that sunday.

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The fifth is the commissioners report with frasier at noon. Is the sykesville.

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Annual art and wine festival, commissioner rothstein and at 2:00 p.m.

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I will be attending the carson scholar award banquet at martin's west in.

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Baltimore I'll be representing the county there, but I also am proud to say.

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That my granddaughter has been given one of the cars and the scholar scholarships.

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So I know that there are several students from across the county that.

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Have been chosen as carson scholars, and I want to congratulate all them and I'll.

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Have more to follow on that, but I'm very proud to say that my granddaughter is.

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One of those congratulations add me to the wine festival as well I'll attend.

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That that's like the one! Yes all right and.

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Then an update on upcoming events is on here and that's a good place to put this.

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Again, our budget meetings throughout the county.

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The eldersburg has made the first mount airy he's made the second all these are.

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At 7:00 p.m. and all these are at the libraries may 6th is westminster, may 7th.

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Is north carroll and may 8th is taneytown and then our budget public hearing is the 13th of may at the scott center at.

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Carroll community college anything on that week the week of may the 6th dream.

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Big union bridge meeting at 6:00 p.m. on the 6th is commissioner boucher on.

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Wednesday, the 8th farm museum advisory board myself and 5:00 p.m. is the board.

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Of education meeting with commissioner weaver on thursday, the 9th secretary.

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Schultz is gonna, be here it was the secretary of economic commerce. I'm sorry.

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Commerce, all five of us will be attending various events as a result of.

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Her visit that evening at 6:30 is the carroll county land trust annual meeting.

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Right now it's lance rothstein, boucher and weber. Saturday 11th is the infamous.

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Second annual rubber duck derby, commissioner boucher, and he also has the.

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Commissioners report anything in addition to that week, you'll note that.

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There's no open session that week as a result of having one of governor hogan's.

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Cabinet secretaries in the county on thursday, anything additional for open.

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Admin very well: we've got some signatures. Everyone have a safe weekend.

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I will entertain a motion to adjourn so moved. Second, all those in favor all.

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Right, thank you. We are adjourned.