Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 21 Apr 2022

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We have open session uh this morning.

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uh Before we start, as always, let's rise for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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United states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Start it's been, uh I think, a couple weeks since uh priority care. Let's start with.

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Brody carroll, commissioner boucher. Thank you good morning. Everyone I'm going to start out.

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Before we bring up some stuff, I did let me let me real quick run off some new hires angelica roof.

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Collections clerk michael armacoff weekend support farm museum, susan muller, weekend support farm.

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Museum and kelsey pinzal paralegal the state's attorney's office, welcome aboard the county and.

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We, commissioner fraser, and I did the big country breakfast at the career and technology center and.

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That was a wonderful event: we're big supporters of career and technology center. The students prepared.

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All the food they did a wonderful job, they had the bunny there. I did not sit on a bunny's lap.

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But a lot of kids did a big turnout, a wonderful event for everyone to go out there and see. What's.

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Going on at the career technology center, we have a lot to be proud of for young men and women.

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That are developing their careers, and these individuals eventually would probably be working.

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Well, there's dr eckel: he got to sit on the bunny's lap, but these individuals will be out.

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In our restaurants in the future, and some of them will wind up being small business people.

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And entrepreneurs and the foundation of that is in the career and technology center tomorrow evening,.

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Is anastasia school plays are back, thank goodness, I'm a big fan of the arts and.

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Throughout the covid uh pandemic, the plays have been stopped and put on hold, so the students are.

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Very excited and happy about this, I'm a big fan of the arts, because I think arts is a.

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Projects, intelligence and creativity and from developing that within the school system to.

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Go forth into their careers with that artistic ability, and then this tuesday I went out with the.

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Stream health survey- I forget the exact name of it, but air staff goes there. This is uh director heinz.

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And water technician madigan, I believe, is his name: byron madigan. I went out there and helped them go.

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Through the streams, it's amazing how many little organisms and critters are living in the streams.

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And they do this annually, there's numerous creepy little bugs here in the water they collect. These.

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Items in little fish and they send them off to a lab. And it's really interesting that by capturing.

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All these little creatures and send them to a lab, they can gauge the healthiness of our.

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Waterways and how it impacts ultimately, the bay- and this is really exciting, and someone who loves.

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The outdoors, I was happy, got there and play in the water and there's a salamander and find all these.

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Little critters, unfortunately, they put them in like an alcohol jug and kill them, so they can be.

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Sent to a lab, but it's important for them to gauge like they're, a small amount of them. You can't eat.

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Them though, but they have to send them off to a lab and dissect them and then examine them.

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And that is a good indication of the healthiness of our waterways and food. I've been told.

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That our waterways have increased in health and that ultimately affects our quality of.

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Our water system in the county- I think that was it. Thank you very much. Okay, commissioner weaver.

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Okay, uh speaking of the outdoors, uh I guess we start monday with the uh walk in the park.

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At uh sandymount and I it's 10 a.m in the morning uh yeah chris has all the.

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Future ones coming up, uh and then we go to westminster community pond at uh it was at eight.

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Six pm- and I thought most of them are at six sorry, I can't make sandy mountain it's going to be.

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Wife has a doctor's appointment, so commissioner frazier, I think boucher will be there to.

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A couple rounds around the park, I make sure fraser said he's only out, walk me because his.

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Legs are longer anyway, uh p. Please uh be aware, I think they have a grand prize now for a person who.

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Makes all the uh walks or drawing for that grand prize? So this is a good thing for the recreation.

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Parks and recreation, and on next wednesday, the 27th special olympics here in westminster.

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So that's always a exciting event and with that move on okay, commissioner, lance so good morning,.

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Hold on a minute, let me get my notes here. That was your first good morning, yeah that was well.

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I'm looking to see what's next so.

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The um we just got done with the budget, and uh I want to thank uh all the folks.

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That were involved with that. uh It goes on the road show. Now the ted zaleski road show.

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I don't know if you've got those coming up, but it's on our website and make sure you uh if you're.

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Interested that you hit one of their library branches, it's coming up in the next two weeks.

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And then we have a public hearing scheduled for may the 10th right. May the 10th thanks all right.

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That's the art center right, it's at the art center in in person. There we go here. We go.

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I knew he'd find it thanks. Chris uh yep may. The 10th is the public hearing on the proposed budget.

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And uh make sure you you you uh if you're you know if you're interested and if you've.

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Been paying attention and if you'd like to to have your say and something perhaps you don't.

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Agree with or whatever that's your chance uh and then as you see here are the dates for.

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uh The presentations that ted will be making at our various library branches so.

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They're listed again on our website, so I will. I will once again say that.

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We are one of, if not the only county in the state that that's the budget in the way that we do it.

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In front of the cameras, hard decisions, hard discussions, challenging uh decisions are made.

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Right there in front of everybody, so it's a great way to do it. I think so! That's where we are.

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April 27th, you talked about special olympics, just a shout out to our bureau of aging and.

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Disabilities they'll be celebrating their 50th anniversary that morning as well.

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And attended random random house. I saw a random house on here: attended uh carroll community.

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College uh board meeting in the past several days and uh their book fair, is coming up again a little.

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Bit different uh they're kind of hybrid this year, but that's on saturday may the 21st. uh You can go.

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To the carroll community college website to get the information on that, that's always a huge event.

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uh Out there again, it's going to be a little different um but check out. What's going on there.

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And I think that is it for me right now: okay, thanks, commissioner frazier, okay, so I've crossed.

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Off almost everything I was about to say about the walk in the park about special olympics I'll, be.

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At both of them I'll be standing, matt walk in the park and I'll be at special olympics. I also have a.

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Battle of the books this friday and I'm right down where it was, but I think it's at westminster.

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I could be wrong in that, but about the books on friday. um I hope everyone enjoyed their holiday.

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Whether it was easter passover enjoyed it with family and friends and so forth, and I have to.

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Say I was very busy over the holiday, because I've mentioned this before my first granddaughter was.

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Born on tuesday and I've been going back and forth, seeing her my daughter and my even my son-in-law.

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Even said hi to him every now and then um at the hospital, so I just wanna, you know it's just.

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All that just takes a lot of time. Additionally, I've had to have my daughter's dog at my house.

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The entire time which mixing with my dog hasn't been the easiest thing, but it's worked out.

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Fine, no one's gotten injured yet so it's all worked out. So it's all good! That's all! I have.

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And and you congratulations first of all and your granddaughter has a lovely name: what is it lainey.

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I wonder why you said that I wonder why you said that so abs, absolutely beautiful.

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Now, dennis they're beautiful pictures, it's always great to celebrate life and uh mazel tov to you.

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um And as you shared those that celebrated easter, um hoping they had a very blessed festive easter.

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Those continuing to celebrate passover, um you know again a happy passover and those.

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uh In the middle of ramadan is the same and have a healthy fast throughout the days of ramadan.

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You know, I've said can't boil the ocean, you can't fix everything, but you could sure think about some.

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Of the challenges we have and uh just keep in mind what's going on over in ukraine, there are five.

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Million folks that have now left ukraine, I mean it we're we're getting to like seven to eleven.

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Percent of displacement- and it's getting worse so um just keeps uh them in mind for strength and.

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Courage as they move through the challenges um it was mentioned, the budget- it's not our budget.

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The five of us up here, it's your budget, and uh so it's only as good as what we put into it. We.

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Being the county, so we look forward for the county to continue to share your priorities.

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As we shape the budget and make it into law by the end of may and put it in place by the next fiscal.

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Year, which is one july, but it's really relying on you now at this point um to share with us your.

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Ideas and we'll move forward, um commissioner weaver and I attended the veterans council.

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I think we were always impressed and humbled by the community that comes out to.

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The veterans council and the diversity within the council coming up with the right ideas or.

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Almost ready the good ideas in supporting our veterans from veteran support officers, uh our.

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Gcses and services, I think, are just amazing from celine and gina and leslie and that whole team.

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You know working together um and I know I'm missing a few, uh but um just the work that they do.

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The uh veteran celebration is may 15th, it is to highlight our veterans in carroll county.

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But nobody knows carroll county, but in carroll counties it's for everybody in carroll county to.

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Attend we have static displays from helicopters to military vehicles, vintage vehicles, us army.

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Field bands, um you know and uh really looking forward, 12 to four rain or shine on may 15th.

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Did you want to answer? The other thing is we're trying to get some? uh I guess celebrities there.

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Maybe a raven or an oriole or actual here to walk in the crowd and talk to people. So these.

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Things are somebody coming together and uh that's aside from the commissioners, not infamous famous.

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There's a difference yeah. This is going to be a good event. Police department, I know- will be there.

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Helping out with this, so this is going to be a tremendous event for carroll county.

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Hopefully, three or four thousand people will decide to come out.

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To this event and be a part of it, I know where we can get our former oriole picture at.

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Okay, the last thing I just want to share is uh like commissioner frazier. I have a.

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Battle of books on friday over a century high school really looking forward to.

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That opportunity and those kids, um you know sharing their excitement as uh as uh competing.

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In battle books, it's always a great event, so uh really looking forward to that. Okay without.

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And one thing I forgot you would mention in the musicals: yes, sir, the francis scott key high school.

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Musical starts friday, night and uh they're doing shrek.

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Which is a good musical and there are similarities, never mind I'll, be there.

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Saturday night I was, I was gonna, get I'm not gonna go there. Are you attending uh I'll, be.

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There friday night, all right well you'll, be here friday, I'll be here saturday, okay, yeah.

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That's at the are there any other alibis.

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Okay, seeing here none, why don't we start with uh mr fowler? Give us a wrap-up of.

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What occurred down in annapolis- and uh you know, give us your parting thoughts.

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As saying day completed, he looks happy now everybody involved with that is happy.

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So I I think this session we had some wins in the things that were important to us.

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I mean they're always wins and losses, but I think the wins were good ones.

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First thing, though, talk a little bit about the legislature itself. Some big changes will be coming.

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This being an election year, you have two long time: committee chairs, that are retiring, so senator.

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Dolores kelly has the finance committee and delegate macintosh of appropriations both of.

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Them are retiring after long service in the in the general assembly, the speaker has appointed.

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The replacements for delegate macintosh, who is ben barnes prince george's county. I should.

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Mention also delegate pendergrass is the chair of health and government operations is retiring.

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As well after a long a long spell in the general assembly and her vice chair, delegate, pena melnick.

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From prince, george's has been named as her replacement the new chair and then you've got.

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Eight senators, either retiring or well in this case or going for another another role, senator.

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Edwards senator cassily senator hoff is going for county executive in frederick county ob patterson.

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Senator young in frederick county and then senator ed reilly in anne arundel county just.

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It was just announced that he did not he's not going to seek re-election and then the house.

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You've got 12., who will be either retiring or attempting to to move to an another role session.

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Must have been that rough! Some of these have been, I guess, in the making for a while. uh So of course,.

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You know the district or the delegation is going to change with delegate shoemaker.

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And delegate krebs retiring, so some big changes uh to come and I several of you I know I don't have.

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To tell you that um so so quickly, we'll just I want to do just some of the highlights. um I.

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I gave you a new copy of this summary because there's an important detail in here uh that.

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I that was changed. I cheated our ambulance, companies and I'll get to that in a moment.

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But of course, highway user revenues that was a big win for us. I still haven't seen the breakdown.

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By county, so what it means to carroll county, uh but I assume that mako is, is working on putting.

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That, together and you'll get that, if, uh if you haven't seen it from from another venue, already.

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And then the uh the codifying of the 50 50 split in the election expenses. That was, I.

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Think a big win for us uh yeah, the the emergency transporters I have on. I had on your original that.

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That the increase was 25 per year up to 300, it's actually 50 per year and there's no limit on it.

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But there's a study that will be conducted that will determine what these rates should.

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Be but in the near term, they're scheduled to increase 50 per year for the foreseeable future.

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The family and medical leave insurance program that that did pass. We, we talked about that and.

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The details involved there that it was pretty interesting because remember in the house, the.

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Talk was let's, let's study this again, because the last study was 2019, but the economy had changed.

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In such significant way that it would be better to look at this, the senate had other ideas. They.

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Decided to create the program set up the funding in advance and then implement the program in 2025.

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So the contributions will begin. I believe um next year, there's a study due at the end of the year.

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To determine what the rates uh contribution rates will be between employers and employees,.

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But the employees will and and the employers will be contributing for about 18 months before.

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Anyone can even even benefit from this program, uh of course, the we we talked in detail about.

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The criminal history records check bill that you all put forward and that got amended to simply.

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Allow volunteers to include volunteers, but to limit it for those that were responsible for.

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The care and supervision of minors- I think, that's a pretty general description, so I think there are.

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For, for instance, if you're looking at fire and ems, that's something that I think would.

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Fall under that, so we didn't get everything we wanted there, but we got a lot uh of course. The.

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Climate solutions act passed, I think, that's going to be transformational. You'll, probably read a lot.

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Of details, as we move forward on that what that means, but you can see a long list of things that.

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Move forward in that bill, some of the big things that that didn't go forward were a specific.

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Phase-Out of natural gas that that was removed from the bill, I think they realized how.

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What a significant impact and change that that would be across the board so that didn't make it.

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Through the solar agro, voltaic spill did pass um that that creates.

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uh Well, I should say it applies the term of agri-voltaics, which is the ability.

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To to install solar panels on on ag areas and continue to grow crops.

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They dig it limited you'll, see on there that it it talks about.

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2026 is a date, it's only applications that are through uh 1231-2024, so it is much more.

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Limited now for folks that could take advantage of that.

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uh We talked about the enforcement authority for the department of the environment that there was.

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Still some concern about willful the language of willful violations and how your employees could be.

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Held personally liable that bill did not move forward, so I suspect it will.

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Come back again in some form and mako will continue to argue on those points.

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Also, the constitutional amendment to establish environmental rights did not make it through.

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That's been put forward the last couple of years. I suspect, we'll see that one again next year.

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One that concerned us was the property tax for agricultural accessory use improvements. There were.

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Concerns about this leading to abuse where someone could come in and put in a large installation on.

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A farm and get the ag property tax assessment for that that was determined or sent to a summer study.

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We were able to get an amendment in there that they would have to abide by any planning and.

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Zoning requirements, so if something was not allowed to to go in that and that ag zone it.

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Wouldn't be able to fall under this, but it's gone to a summer study, so nothing in the short term.

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Who promoted that? uh Let's see that was senator alfred from anne arundel county.

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She has the annapolis area: okay,.

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Yeah and she had another senator on there with her this casey at the moment, but.

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She was the primary prince george's, maybe.

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Prince george's, maybe I've it could have been yeah. I can't remember I'm just curious. I mean it just.

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Seems montgomery, it seems more of a prince george's or you know, type of a bill not.

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So I'm just just curious. Okay, you are you thinking, uh senator pinsky, that's what I'm thinking it.

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Could be yeah, I think that's where I don't. I don't know because I remember eldritch yapping.

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About it a little bit somewhere yeah, I think you're right yeah yeah anyway, that fits the mold.

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uh The library funding bill did go through, so the libraries will see an increase in their funding. A.

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Couple of bills, I highlight that that failed that were had the potential to be expensive. The video.

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Recording in special education classrooms, the funding on systemic renovation projects, where they.

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Would they would allow systemic renovations as an eligible cost for reimbursement? Unfortunately,.

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That failed and then the other damaging one would be the fossil based energy system costs so that.

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Would preclude any fossil fuel based hvac system from being considered for reimbursement in school.

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Cannabis was a big issue this year, and so we have a referendum question on the uh on the ballot in.

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This year's election, do you favor the legalization of adult use cannabis in the state of maryland.

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And they have also passed a bill that would decriminalize certain amounts.

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And also set up conditions for expungement of criminal convictions and also release from.

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Incarceration for these minor marijuana convictions is adults, 21 or 18 21.

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A couple of election bills, the voter rights protection act, would have added an additional.

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Three days to early voting and the polling places at uh continuing care, retirement communities.

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Another bill we've seen in the past both of those failed. uh They would have been expensive for.

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The local boards uh also a bill that would have been beneficial. I know that.

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Tim was looking forward to this one, but the the ability for municipal corporations.

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To form their own administrative charging, committees and police accountability boards.

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Did not move forward so you've got to form those for the municipalities as well.

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Okay, I saw that stuart pittman put his together. Did you see that I I did there's quite a quite.

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A salary there isn't there, there is and it's interesting because they had.

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Two dozen people for the accountability board: yes, yeah he's putting a salary on.

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The accountability I think it was prince george's county is paying a salary to the chairperson of.

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The police, accountability board yeah uh a nice salary, 25 000, or something like that. I mean yeah.

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Anne arundel county has two jurisdictions yeah, that's it annapolis and this little rinky dink.

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You know I I know that prince george's is doing the salary, I'm not sure about anne arundel, but.

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That's an amazing amount, number of them in the mix. At the same time, in the past couple days,.

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That's a lot of people he had. He had like two dozen people put in for it, which.

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Wow in anne arundel- I don't know about prince george's, but it was interesting to me.

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That amount of people would put in for it because, honestly, it's gonna, I don't know that I'd wanna. I.

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Don't know that I'd wanna surf on there and I don't know you're gonna- find that would.

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How do you wanna put it choose your words yeah yeah? Well, it's gonna be tough to find the right.

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Individuals with the right mindset to be able to serve on these boards, that's the where I'm trying.

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To go the good part is that polite we're going to have the conversation in a few minutes, yeah.

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What were you going to ask roberto this, so they had two dozen people apply to be on the board, not.

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Yeah yeah they just applied to beyonce. I don't know how many seats they have, but um he did a.

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Big press thing on it, so, whatever anyway yeah well prince george's, has 27 municipalities. I don't know.

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How many have police forces, I would say at least 10. yeah, probably yeah? Richard probably knows.

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They have 22 police force, wow yeah, anne arundel, and forming a separate board for each.

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One because you have to have someone from the municipality on the board: okay, to reconstitute.

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There's a lot of boards a lot of boards, okay, anyway, hard to believe yeah, uh the body camera.

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Surprisingly, uh legislation did not pass.

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The omnibus omnibus 9-1-1 bill did pass, though, um that that enables the counties to increase.

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Their their portion of the fee to whatever levels necessary to cover their cost. There were.

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Some counties, apparently that were not able to completely fund based on their previous allotment.

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I apologize going back to the um the body cameras, I'm saying it did not pass.

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Who, who was I mean aggressively against us.

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Yeah, I I can't tell you that.

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There's there's a, I would say, a block of folks that are opposed.

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To anything that limits what was passed last year.

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Well, it just seems to me it's good. The aclu is a significant opponent of.

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Taking any of these actions they're starting to harm themselves, though the way they're.

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They're coming at this they're, starting to make it personal.

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Yeah they organize to protest outside of sentiment. The chair smith of the senate judiciary committee.

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For judicial proceedings and uh they've sort of declared war almost on on him and he's a lot of.

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His colleagues are sympathetic and pushing back so the aclu is, I think, they've done a lot to harm.

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Themselves, good they're against the state paying for the programs, no no they're they're. They were.

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Against limiting what could be okay, yeah right right, because you said okay, I was just confused.

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Here because there's the last one a couple of aspects right: okay, that's right, I was gonna, say.

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Why would they be against the state paying for it? I don't know they don't have a dog in that fight.

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On public safety, the gas piping bill, the flynn and laird act did pass, which is.

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Great that that came in late, as you know, but uh obviously got a lot of a lot of support.

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um And I think I mentioned to you- the widows were in the gallery on the day it was was passed. uh The.

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Statewide targeted overdose prevention act did pass. I think you all mentioned support for that.

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That widens the scope of who can administer naloxone and.

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Also requires uh it to be dispensed free of charge under certain conditions.

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uh Also bill that was in early with senator reidy's bill and and the delegations bill.

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Which would require you, as sitting as the board of health, to to act as an appeals board.

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That did not pass. There was some talk of trying to include the appeals aspect of that.

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In another bill related to to the health directors, but it did not pass, I think they got.

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The uh the state health directors agreed to put information about appeals on their websites, but.

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That's that's about all. They got got out of that two bills that were really going to be expensive.

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The legionnaires disease prevention act and the mold inspections and remediation bills.

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Both did not pass and then the cyber security bills. The three we talked about um there were a.

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Lot of late amendments to those bills, but they did pass um and you have the highlights here. I.

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Think mr ripper can probably I think, drill down and give you an idea of what they actually mean.

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For uh carol, um but overall um I got a question: I'm sorry. Yes, the maryland paint stewardship bill.

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You know why didn't that pass. I thought that was people behind it. I thought it was went through the.

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House but got hung up in the senate, and I I think the same thing may have happened last year.

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And I'm I'm not quite sure what the issue is. Yeah well, I'd like to know why people are getting no.

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I I think it's it's the idea that there's a fee added to um to a container of paint.

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And it's an election year and I think some people are a little sensitive to increasing the cost.

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Of goods at this particular time, I think that's why that could be that yeah all right. Thank you.

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So everyone looks very happy not as happy as you well.

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I mean there were some good things that came out of there. I mean they're, just kidding yeah. There.

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Were I mean the big ticket items? However, I think you know always got as always got jammed up in in.

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What letter you have beside your name and that's just the way it is so it is. uh You know when you.

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When you watch the votes, uh if, if there's a a vote that you know, the republicans.

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Either a bill they, they don't agree with uh or something they want to move through.

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The votes will always be in that margin of 92 97.

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It's a caucus. The democratic caucus is one that really sticks together, highly disciplined the.

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Yeah, I agree um the the local. What do you call that the local bills um giving somebody local.

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Courtesy courtesy, how many you know and not not an exact number. There were some bills that were put.

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In place that were expecting local courtesy that did not achieve that. That's right and that's not.

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The norm is my understanding. It's it's not. um I think it's starting to happen more.

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So the bill that would limit the carroll county bill that would limit the student.

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Member of the school board yeah was amended. There was also a bill to increase the.

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Salary of the frederick county sheriff and that actually got to the floor and.

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Was defeated on the floor, which is really unusual bill israel? Why would that happen.

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I mean I mean, would you understand the sentiment of that the uh several of the.

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It was a, it was the issue with the the sheriff himself I mean the bill would not apply, it would.

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Apply for the incoming sheriff now that could be the same individual or should be another sure, but.

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One of the delegates from prince george's, stood up and and claimed that this individual.

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Organized a protest with people with t-shirts. That said, we will not comply.

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And uh and apparently indicated that there was anti-immigrant issues, delegate, pippi.

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Stood up and said, first of all, I have to say I think, the issue of that we will not comply.

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Was an it was an eastern shore sheriff, but this doesn't apply neces. This applies to the incoming.

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Sheriff um and it it wasn't as overwhelming as the typical vote was, but it was enough to kill a bill.

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So I was again another local local bill, yeah I'd say I mean personally, I am looking forward.

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To the legislative district, where it is much more carroll county, representing carroll, county carroll,.

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County is representing carroll county because nothing against the delegates in district 4. But I.

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Mean I'm not sure how much they actually the piece was themselves right. They only had two precincts.

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I'm not sure how much uh some of the others did. I I do know you know like senator hester was a very.

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Strong advocate for sykesville and for the american legion and some of the capital.

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Projects, but um you know legislatively like I said, that district 4 area, I'm not sure their value.

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To influence anything within yeah, not as much bigger right yeah but but now so you get another.

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District, you did 42 right right, the eastern part yeah so, um but we're starting to see that more.

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That local courtesy, not being as kind of I I was kind of shocked, really okay um and the argument.

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Particularly for the school board, member yeah was to allow to allow well there's a there's, a.

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A scholarship associated with right right to enable more students to share in that.

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But also experience right to allow kids more more experienced, more opportunities right and I don't.

H

Know what it was. uh It was a delegate from prince george's and I from I spoke briefly with delegate.

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Krebs about it, she said that it was the issue of term limits that that he did not agree with.

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I'll tell you I'm I'm so glad we have a responsibility authority up here.

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To fill potholes and find fiber and take care of the community with safety and security and.

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Not deal with politics, that's why it's about community! So that's my two cents, but.

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Any reporting comments from mike- I know the three of you will.

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No longer engage with him in this role. um You know as you've done in the last. However, many years.

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But you know well, it's it's been a good ride and I remember the day that you and I spent.

B

uh When I tried to influence you to take this job, and does he still like you and he.

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You kind of looked at me when you want me to do what, uh but all just for time.

B

But that will be forever ingrained in my mind mike um and you know just the.

B

When I, when, when we were able to go to annapolis- and we saw a little bit of that here at the end.

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Of this year, but back in the day when we couldn't go down there, I knew that the right decision was.

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Made by my colleagues when I saw you walking the halls and people coming up and saying mike fowler.

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Dude, what do you thought you retired? What are you doing and you proudly said, I'm part of carroll.

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County now and uh that resonated with me as well, it was a great opportunity. I appreciate it if I, if.

H

I could go into any county really this. This will be the one I just I think the people here are are.

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Great, I think, you're, you know your staff they're all committed. um Everybody really works together.

H

It reminds me of where I came from and had felt very comfortable coming into into this space too.

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Where, where everybody is really cooperative and really wants to do the right thing,.

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And do the right thing for the county and the constituents so well. I I just want to thank you.

B

Personally, on behalf of everybody here uh and I'm glad, you're on board and um you've been tremendous.

B

In the role that you've taken on and uh again, thank you so much and my ultimate goal here.

B

Before I get out of here in december, is to try to get you a second chair in your office.

G

H

I really have appreciated working with you all. It's been a great board to deal with as a very.

D

Open, I will say that it seems like the more antagonistic the dominant party becomes towards.

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Carroll county, the more critical it is for us to have independence, but it is an election year.

D

And there'll be a a turnover or some of the members and they'll be hopefully much more.

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Friendly towards us there'll be a turnover on this membership as well, and I hope that you can.

D

Come back in this capacity for the next board that sits up here, because you are a tremendous.

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Asset for this board and you'll be a big help to them getting things going. So I hope you come back.

D

Thank you very much for all you've done. Thank you appreciate that. I would like to echo that.

F

Thank you for everything, and especially since I've been on the mako uh legislative um committee,.

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Past two years- and I actually got to go down to annapolis one time, so it was good.

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Very unfortunate, but I do appreciate all the help that you've given me. I really do.

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And I was going to say something about your plush office, but I don't know.

G

Hopefully, hopefully that will improve, but seriously. Thank you. We spare no expense.

E

No retirement in sight! Well, I guess that's up to your successors, so yeah well, keep that in.

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Mind you've done a great job, so thank you and after passover, commissioner wentz and.

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I will join you in the brown beverage yep. That was a promise and we're gonna make that happen.

G

Okay, okay, all right! Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you mike! That's chocolate, milk, okay! So let's move on.

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To uh public hearing police accountability board resolution good morning, commissioners, uh this.

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Is a public hearing, the purpose of which is to elicit public testimony regarding a resolution.

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Which would create the carroll county, police, accountability board and the carroll county.

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Administrative charging committee notice of this hearing was published in the carroll.

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County times on april, 7th and april 14th- and we also published it on our carroll county website,.

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I have not received any public comment to date. We did hear from.

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The sheriff, uh but I have not received any public comment and if I could give.

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You a brief summary of what's what the resolution entails today, please, and are they coming up also.

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They can come up later, mr swam and I are going to go through a.

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A powerpoint which usually makes for a lot of unintentional humor, unfortunately, at my expense, so.

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I think you're, aware of the slap slide. One slide. Two excuse me we're talking about today.

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Is the creation of two committees by the county commissioners and the first one is going to be the.

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Carroll, county police, accountability board and the purpose of that committee is to actually receive.

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Complaints of police misconduct from the public review police disciplinary trends throughout the.

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Year and I think, most importantly, meet quarterly with local law enforcement.

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Office officials to discuss ways that we could possibly improve policing in carroll, county.

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The second committee is called the carroll county administrating charging committee.

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They are the ones who will actually review police internal investigations regarding alleged officer.

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Misconduct they're going to determine whether or not an administrative charge is appropriate.

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In their opinion, if they think it's appropriate, they will schedule a public hearing.

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And make a recommendation I'll get into that a little more next slide. The law requires that.

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The membership of these two boards be designed to reflect uh somewhat of the racial cultural, gender.

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Makeup of carroll county the need the law also prohibits any active law enforcement. Official.

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From sitting on the police, accountability board or the administrative charging committee and anybody.

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Who's appointed holds their position until a new member is selected and qualified, regardless of.

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Their terms, so, if you're having trouble filling the term, that person is allowed to hold over.

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The next slide, the qualifications you uh to be a member of any of these committees. You have to be.

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A carroll county resident and you cannot have a charge pending or have been convicted of a charge.

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In federal or state court of a crime punishable by a period of exceeding one year in jail.

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Or whether you are facing a crime which would impose a penalty of one year in jail,.

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Okay, the first board we're going to discuss is this hold on hold on a minute.

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So go back! Okay, so you're, saying first of all where, where did these.

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Guidelines come from which ones is these qualifications, the qualifications? uh Those were.

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uh Basically, I drafted them based upon some of uh some of the other trends in other counties.

J

Okay, because I'm having a little bit of a challenge.

B

With the fact that that you, you may have had a sentence of imprisonment, but it.

B

It wasn't a year, in other words, I think anybody who serves on these boards should have zero.

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Negative background when it comes to.

B

I I just I mean I guess I don't know, I guess I liken it to the fact that you know baltimore.

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City just tried to hire somebody who has a gun charge against them and I'm like wait. What so.

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It just in my mind to be these are such important boards that I'm not too sure that someone should.

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Be on there that has any background now that might be discriminatory, I don't know, but it just it.

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It it throws up a flag in my mind, okay, something for me to look into it for the board.

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To consider honestly, I was thinking to flip, I I was thinking the 100 flip side and um which.

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Means that when they are released um and able to become a citizen or in a position being a citizen.

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Giving them purpose like anything um they've done there, they've been in prison, they've done.

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Their appropriate time- and they you know, I I don't want to be discriminated for it, because I.

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You know I work very closely with um programs, um you know uh and recidivism whatever. That word is.

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Is very low when you provide purpose and careers for individuals, so I'm actually on the you're on.

B

The other side: oh there's a complete other side yeah, which was interesting, so I have to agree.

D

With the point commissioner, ross needs making, because we see a lot of individuals that go.

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Through addiction- and they tend to be some of the best advocates to help people with recovery, so so.

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Getting people back involved and having purpose is a wonderful thing for recovery. I'm curious as.

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To what would happen if someone is on one of these boards and say they get a dui charge or something.

D

Do they have to step back? Are they suspended and because you're innocent until proven guilty? What.

D

Would be the procedure potentially if that happens, if someone's on the board and they get a charge.

D

They gotta uh step back and abstain from the rest of the hearings until the.

D

Case is over, I mean that could be a sticking point yeah the way it's written. It says you.

J

That would be a charge pending, so you would have to step aside. You have to step out.

D

What would happen say they get found innocent? Then they get reappointed. Yes, okay or pardon.

J

The way it's written, I have a question on a term term limit so there, if you're appointed to this.

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Board, if no one else wants to step up and be on the board, you could be on this board forever.

F

Either one of these boards there could be a holdover yeah until the position is filled.

J

Same way with the boards we have now yeah, but there's no term limits set so well. My.

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Point is we say we put five people on the board. Those five people could be on there.

F

I mean say: someone else wants to step up and take position.

F

In three years, or something is there a time where that is, you know, is there like a three-year term.

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Or we look for some replacement yesterday or something of that sort. So there is a term yeah.

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You're getting ahead of me a little bit: okay, okay, because you're just thinking I don't you.

F

Don't want the same people on for the next 10 or 15 years. There are term limits. It's.

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Just catch-all right just in case no one steps up. Okay, that's fine, then all right, but I think going.

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Back to the this slide with the qualifications taking a deeper look at kind of the point.

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Counterpoint that we are making on this okay, I think it's valid, and my whole piece honestly is.

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To be less discriminatory, it doesn't take away the value and importance of this board, but.

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People have made mistakes and sometimes very bad mistakes, but they are put into a position.

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um Afterwards that you know they can step up, so that's this board. I understand this is a very.

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Important board, especially for the police officers- and I don't want anybody on that board- that would.

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Have any prejudice against a police officer here at this point uh and somebody who has.

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Served time or whatever may subconsciously, have some animosity toward police officers. I really.

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Worry about that. I think this should be someone who is a citizen in the area that doesn't have.

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Interaction here they should be totally objective in this, and I agree with commissioner lance.

B

I'm just having trouble because and dick you make a good point. The importance of this uh I.

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Think should lead the way here and I don't know did we did we hear from law enforcement on this.

B

I mean I maybe maybe thoughts on that. I mean I'm not sure how you can put somebody on a board that.

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May have been in the system and then they're, creating or they're coming up with decisions that.

B

It just seems a little, it seems a little wonky to me. To put some I mean it's like I, I don't.

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Know but I think I could be it's just open for I'm not trying to again I'm not trying.

B

To be discriminatory here, but my gosh there's so many people out there that have never been.

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Involved or had a problem, and wouldn't they be the best people to be on these boards when it comes to.

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To making some of these really challenging decisions, just a thought another another point.

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To that, because I understand the concerns is that each member should be a resident of carroll county.

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Well, I move into carroll county after a year or two and I'm coming from a completely different.

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Community I'm now eligible to be on this board, but my experiences are from jersey, montgomery wherever.

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And uh you know it's a completely different. You know view I have on this, so all it is is saying.

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You are a resident, not a resident for the last 10 years. 20 I mean we're. We can't make restrictions.

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On everything right, but I think we should exclude jersey but yeah. We know how to deal with things.

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So that's a valid point too. I think that should be a time period. At least I don't say it all.

B

The time he knows carol better than carol and again not trying to be discriminatory here, but.

B

If, if you just moved in here last year, how could you have an idea of even how law enforcement works.

B

In this county right, so maybe a five year or ten year sort of oh one comment. One comment to that.

J

You're not going to be like pittman you're not going to get 24 applicants for this job. So the.

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More you whittle it down the um the other thing. Of course remember. These are appointed positions so.

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You have to you know, have some confidence in yourselves and your future boards that.

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You will look that they will look at those kinds of things all of those kinds of things right.

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In in um in the suit in assessing the person's qualifications, um the other thing um is.

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We worked with the municipalities and uh the ones specifically that have police departments, because.

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These two boards will oversee all of the police departments in the county, um not that we want.

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To do that, but that's the way the state law is written so um and um and they will be recommending.

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um To to the board of commissioners two members for these boards, so that will also help I'm.

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Trying to get through this powerpoint presentation and everybody jumps, I thought the seven seconds.

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Tell the end of the story is turning as ready as your time we'll stop, but I'm gonna go back to.

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The beginning, and for the benefit of the public, whose idea was this not ours, it was the general.

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Assembly in 2021 enacted a comprehensive what they call the police reform bill.

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One of the components was they repealed the law enforcement officers, bill of rights and they put.

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Their you will comply t-shirts on and pointed to the counties and said you must follow this law and.

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You must adopt the police, accountability board and the administrative charging committee by july, 1st.

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Of next year of this year july, 1st 2022., so we can't blame you, you can blame me.

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Everybody else does: okay, specifically jumping to the number five, the police accountability board.

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You're going to have five members: okay, you're, going to pick five members. One of them is going.

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To be the chairperson and you're actually going to designate who the chairperson is going to be.

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So you want to pick a quality chairperson to run this board. uh The members are each going.

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To serve two years and cannot be eligible for re reappointment after four years, so they're.

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Going to be us by term limits this the way it's written is a four year term and again, the way.

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It's also written is, if you're, having trouble uh filling somebody after the expiration of the.

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Four-Year term for a couple months, or I haven't forbid a year, that person is allowed to hold over.

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Up to two members of this police accountability board can be retired members of law enforcement.

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Who retired in good standing? Okay? They can't be current police officers, but they could be retired.

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uh Who retired in good standing- and this is what roberta referred to.

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Earlier because the police departments of the municipalities are going to be affected by this.

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You were going to select two members of this five-member board from a list.

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Forwarded to you by the maryland municipal league and that's as a result of your recent meeting, they.

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Wanted justifiably wanted some some representation on this board, since their police departments are.

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Being have been caught up in into this whole police accountability board apologize.

A

We just had a cyborg when someone is released from imprisonment. Are they considered at that.

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Point in good standing are we back to well, I'm just asking the question believe somebody left or.

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Is done with probation done with whatever? Are they then considered in good standing if they are.

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That's one thing: if they're never in their entire life ever considered in good standing, that's.

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Something different because what we're doing is we're. I want to make this less discriminatory.

A

Yes and you're right, it is up to us to determine who is best suited from the pool of applicants.

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That come in front of us, but the guidelines to me should be as least discriminatory as possible.

K

Maybe restrictive is the right word rather than discriminate. Okay, no one's suggesting that I.

L

Really don't think you're suggesting this at least at least restricted and then that's my perception.

B

No, absolutely yeah, sorry so so the question is, if you're saying here that police officer.

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Retired or somebody is now in good standing going back to that last slide, saying somebody that.

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Is no longer in prison and has done the things that they needed to do.

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Are they now in good standing or not? No they're, not they've been convicted of a crime of.

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Punishable up to a year and unless pardoned, they would be ineligible to sit on the accountability.

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Board or the charging committee beyond that, would you consider them in good standing.

J

They've done their their time, I guess is the way to look at that.

A

Right, so if you look at it that way, then we should look at it this way as well: okay, okay, all right again, this is this: is a public hearing.

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These are things for you, the board, to consider we. This is the first time we've gone into this in.

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This detail, so questions are certainly warranted slide. Six, all right, moving on slide, six, uh what.

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Does this police accountability board actually do again? These are the five members you've selected.

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They're going to hold quarterly meetings with the police chiefs of the local law enforcement.

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Agencies and the sheriff they're going to discuss trends in law enforcement. Any of the in discipline.

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And they're going to try and come up with ways to suggestions to improve policing uh one other job.

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Is to appoint two civilian members of uh to the charging committee which I'll discuss later in.

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Other words, the police accountability board, gets to select two members of the charging committee.

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And also a civilian member to the trial boards, which we'll talk about later.

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The police accountability board is the one who will actually get the.

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Complaints of police misconduct and they will then.

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Submit a report to you on these and uh to the commissioners on disciplinary trends in the county.

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And again, with their recommendations slide seven once you get once this board gets a complaint.

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Of police misconduct, they're gonna forward it to the local law enforcement agency. That's.

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Impacted if it's one of the sheriff's deputies, it goes to the sheriff if it goes to. If it's the.

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Sykesville police department would go to the sykesville police chief.

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They would then do an internal affairs investigation and prepare a report to.

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This police accountability board and send it to the police, accountability board.

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uh Quickly uh slide eight both of these boards. uh This board will get a.

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An annual appropriation for services you might want to consider a stipend.

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For them, much like the planning commission or the zoning board for their meetings.

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Turning to the charging, that's any questions about the police, accountability board.

B

I hesitate to bring in the netherlands, I'm still stuck on.

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What good standing means, but you got that so slide nine. The next one is this.

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Administrative charging committee, so the police accountability board, got the police complaint.

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Sent it to the police chief or the sheriff, the sheriff has a report of what this misconduct.

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Entailed or didn't entail, they're going to send it to this administrative charging committee.

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And the charging committee, as I said, is going to consist of one the chairperson.

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Who's of the of the accountability board, in other words your chairperson, that you selected for.

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The accountability board also will sit on this charging committee and you're also going to be.

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Appointing two civilian members of this charging committee uh and the actual police accountability.

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Board will then submit to civilians by majority vote. So five members, two of them- are civilians.

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Selected by you, one of them is the chairperson that you selected for the accountability board.

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And two are citizens, civilians that were selected by the police; accountability board. That was.

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Appointed by you slide 10 that quickly, the administrative charging committee's duties are to.

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Adopt rules number one number two is to review the law enforcement agency's investigation of.

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The alleged police misconduct and then they make a determination as to whether the officer should be.

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In their opinion, charged or not administratively charged next slide if they decide that.

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Administrative charges for this police misconduct are warranted. This committee will actually conduct.

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A public hearing or a hearing to recommend discipline and here's where it gets difficult.

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For all of us, they're supposed to conduct this hearing in accordance with the model uniform.

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Disciplinary matrix created by the maryland police, training and standards, commission and.

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Adopted by each local law enforcement agency that hasn't been done, yet it's my knowledge and then.

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Chuck rap is here to talk about that, so.

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The state agency that is supposed to produce these has not has not produced these yet so.

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Even though we're rushing to get this done by july, 1st right.

J

They haven't produced that so any indication that they're working on it.

J

I think he's you're going to have some comments right on that you're, going to hear some all right.

B

I'm reading ahead chuck sorry, so they have the hearing for the officer they it's like a.

J

Trial board or not a trial board like a zoning board hearing or something like that. There's.

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Evidence the officer gets to produce their side of the story. They like get to bring an attorney.

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And the charging committee then makes a a decision and they forward the opinion to the chief of the.

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Local law enforcement agency or the sheriff saying here's our decision and here's our recommended.

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Discipline, if any and the chief of that of the law enforcement agency or the sheriff or up to 12 now.

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Can take the recommended discipline of the charging committee or they can increase it.

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They cannot reduce it. So if the charging committee says this person is guilty, you should uh find them.

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150 or or dock them four days pay, uh the the sheriff or the police chief can adopt that.

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Increase it, but they cannot reduce it and then the matter then goes back to the complainant.

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If the officer does not like or does not agree with the proposed discipline, they can ask for.

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A police trial board, so that's another step in the process. The police trial board and that's.

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Going to consist of one of your people is an appointed judge, a retired judge or an active judge.

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In the circuit court, district court or administrative law court, that's going.

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To sit on this committee, it's going to be also a civilian who is not appointed by the carroll.

J

County police, accountability board and a police officer of equal rank to the accused officer.

J

Appointed by the sheriff or the chief of police, that's not our big concern today that this is not.

J

Our big concern today, but if there's a police trial board, we have to have somebody, I guess.

J

On on on call, I guess a retired judge or a retired district court circuit court or administrative law.

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Judge to get called in to sit on one of these charging committees. Now there may not be many.

J

Opportunities for that, uh but that's just something we will have to.

J

Arrange for that we'll have to select a retired judge to sit on one of these charging committees.

F

What is the limit to the discipline that could be handed out by this committee.

F

I mean, I can't say it again: there is there's not there, isn't any there's no.

J

Limit no there's no limit. If the officer is not happy with the recommendation, it goes to.

J

A trial board, that's what that's, what will happen? Okay and and before I forget it.

B

I I would assume that the maryland state police are a different breed. This doesn't cover them even.

G

Though they are present in most of the counties, suppose that the incident occurs in our county.

B

Our police accountability board wouldn't have any thing to do with that. If it was in our county.

B

That's right: you were in charge of the sheriff's not in charge the the board reviews the acts of.

J

The sheriff deputies or the local police officers in our local municipalities, not the state police.

J

That's interesting and if there's maryland, state police and any agency that that operates.

N

Multi-Jurisdictional has a state accountability board that the state has to set up so right.

J

That's that's a very good point and that goes to mount airy, they're they're in kind of a fix.

J

With their police department, since they have uh it's one of those multi-jurisdictional uh places.

J

Where you have part of frederick and pardon carol, that would fall under under the state guidelines.

J

So they're not even covered by this. No, they would like to be. I mean they don't like the idea. I don't.

J

Think they like the idea of being under the state, but that's up to them if they want to get some.

J

Get some relief from that uh back to slide 13 we're back to the charging committee they're.

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Going to elect a chairperson who's going to serve no more than two consecutive terms.

J

uh Again, the term limits are four years and each individual serving on this committee has got to.

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Got receive some training on these uh procedures from the maryland police, training and standards.

J

Commission and are they? I don't know that they're ready to to receive that at this point either so.

J

I think that's uh that's enough for the uh for the slide show. Does the board have any questions.

J

So just jumping to the end, thank you for the slideshow. That's done um so your.

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Appointments that you need to think about now are five for this police accountability board.

J

uh Including the chair, so you get to appoint all five members of them. Two of them can be.

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Retired cops and two of them will be from a list selected by the maryland municipal league for your.

J

Consideration so they're gonna send you five names. You pick two of those so there's your board number.

J

One board number two is the charging committee uh you need to think about appointing two civilians.

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To that committee, so the other members will be your chairperson, that was on the police.

J

Accountability board and two civilians that this police accountability board is going to select.

J

And then the trial board, as I said, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on that today, but in the.

J

Wings, there's going to have to be some retired or sitting judge. That's willing to take that on.

J

For periodic disciplinary trial boards- again, we don't- we haven't had many of them in in the.

J

Sheriff's office, at least I don't imagine, there's many in the uh in our local jurisdictions, but.

J

That's something we're required to have by the by the state. Well, good thing: we have you to keep.

D

Us straight there's a lot of moving parts here. It can be quite confusing at times, but it is for me.

D

I can conceptualize it as this in legal terms like the first board would be a detective in.

D

The police department investigating collecting the evidence. The second board would be more or.

D

Less the state's attorney and a grand jury so to speak, to determine whether it can move forward.

D

With any other additional action, and then finally court will be the third step to the retired judge.

D

Well, the first step again that the internal investigation is still done by the local police.

J

Agency, so if the sheriff's deputy is accused of misconduct, it's the sheriff's office, that's going.

J

To do the internal investigation, if the sykesville police officer is accused of misconduct, they would.

J

Do the internal investigation, but they would send the results to the charging committee. As you said,.

F

Does the charging committee have the the authority to ask for a different sites.

F

Your example, you just gave say it was sykesville police department, the chargers against they get.

F

They did, their investigation came back to them. They looked at it and said you know, I'm not happy.

F

With this investigation, well, I would, I would like the sheriff's department to investigate.

F

This do they have the authority to do that. No, but they can request additional information from the.

J

Investigating agencies they can subpoena people they can. uh They can do. They should somewhat.

M

A little bit of their own work, if they're not happy with what they get, they can dig in a little.

J

Further right I mean because just from watching tv and all you know, one of the complaints is that.

F

Oh they're investigating themselves. What do you expect? I don't want to hear that.

F

So so there's a mechanism in place.

J

Any other questions of the board.

J

Any public comment today.

B

Oh come on that's right: uh the sheriff has been very uh adamant that he's not taking a position.

J

On this you know- and these guys are here for informational purposes only if you had any any.

J

Questions so did I did I get everything ryan. I have a question for you. I think it was yes.

A

As fast as we know it do you know if the uh this matrix is forthcoming anytime, soon or.

J

So hey chuck hit the bike, hit the mic good job. Thank you or come up to the front or whatever.

N

um The commission and I spoke to them this morning- they've been working on this.

N

At least heavily for the past couple of months, the disciplinary matrix is still not finalized.

N

Because the matrix as by the law would have to be adopted by all the agencies.

N

In maryland, 176 agencies would adopt it. So that's not going to happen by july 1st. Is it.

N

They anticipate that it will be done. Okay, they will have a matrix in place by july. First, okay, the.

N

Regulations regarding the accountability board and the charging committees.

N

Is close to finalization, they told me that they they intend to introduce that for comor next week.

N

And they have an emergency komar process that will allow them to adopt the regulations for.

N

180 days, while it goes through the regular comor process, with public comment and so forth,.

N

So they expect to have those out next week, the training for the committees, the accountability.

N

Board doesn't require any training, but the charging committee does require training for.

N

The civilian members, as well as the trial board civilian members, required training.

N

That training has not been finalized yet, and they at this time they have no instructors. That.

N

Will be able to to disseminate that training throughout maryland they're working on that.

N

They anticipate having that by july 1st, but as we sit today, they don't have that prepared. I.

J

Wonder if they could do it just like they do the open meetings, training have just a.

J

You know the video you go onto a website and you sit through a class.

J

I don't, I don't think it would be adequate, but it's something they can. I think um I think one of.

N

The issues that the commission has been discussing is the kind of regional uh approach, for instance,.

N

You know the training in baltimore city might be it's all the same training with the same standards.

N

But the questions that arise from people in baltimore city may be different than the questions.

N

That arise from civilians in washington county, so they prefer to have people that are familiar with.

N

That region to address questions from folks that live in those individual jurisdictions.

B

I just shake my head because I shook my head when they started talking about this.

B

Down in that quaint little village a year and a half ago,.

B

There's so many unanswered questions and I don't care what anybody says: they're rapidly, trying to.

B

Put this together and it they're going to do it half-assed. You know that as well as I do so.

B

I well I'm just very concerned about this whole process. You know we're trying to rapidly put.

B

Something together here that could ultimately mean uh a huge uh could affect the individual. Could.

B

Affect the law enforcement officer, and- and this is just unacceptable, I think and which is why I was.

B

Against this in the first place, but I mean I know we have to do it, uh you know what happens if the.

B

What happens if the law enforcement officer decides to get an attorney.

B

What how does that come into the mix? Does the attorney have the ability to to question the.

B

Charging board or the accountability board, or has that been addressed? The the attorney can represent.

N

The officer, but they can't they to my knowledge, they won't be able to address the charging board.

N

That would be at the trial board and just because I just throw this out.

N

Because the representatives in carroll county, the legal representatives through the fop and.

N

Carroll county represent other jurisdictions, their initial take with after july, 1st.

N

Is that, regardless of what you're charged with or what the discipline is, you request a trial board.

N

That's the attorneys. I'm not saying that right! Our people could make a different decision, but.

N

That's the attorney's recommendation, but the attorney can represent the officer.

J

At the charging committee, yes under the law.

E

You know this just looks like the state trying to take over the sheriff's job and uh I'm sorry yeah.

E

I agree with commissioners and the local police chiefs and the local police chiefs yeah. This is.

E

Well, I guess we have to appoint a board, we don't have much choice right, that's the thing we have to.

F

Do this no one, we didn't come up and say you know we should put these boards that we have to do this.

F

And what makes it worse we have to do is by july 1st, when other things aren't even in place yet so.

F

It makes it extremely difficult and we don't have a choice, but it's just I'm going to say.

F

It doesn't make sense to me, but what does that make? What happens if carroll county.

B

Doesn't have their board in place by july? The first, I think I know the answer.

B

There is no answer what so you know we're almost into into may it'll be here the.

B

Next time you blink, so we've got two months to get all these names pick all these people and.

B

And we're rapidly putting the group together that you know who's doing background. Are we going to.

B

Do background checks on the folks that serve on these boards who's doing that? That's a good point.

B

Typically, background checks are either done by the state fire marshal and.

B

When it comes to that part of it or we rely on you guys to do background checks, I know when I.

B

Got my my well when I got another permit, you all did my background check so there's that.

B

So who's doing that I did your page, which means that you're doing a background check.

B

On somebody that could be doing a background check on you, you well at the moment, there's no.

K

Requirement for that, it's a quality; okay, but but you see there's there's there's so many.

B

Things here I mean what what do we do now? We we've got unanswered questions here, but yet we have to.

B

Start advertising for this board yeah. What are our next steps? We, let's just assume we'll close.

F

The public here and keep over 10 days what's for today, okay, after that, what's our next step.

F

Do we advertise as soon as the public as soon as 10 days are up or what, after the 10 days, I would.

J

Come back to you and ask if you want to adopt this resolution or not, and you would immediately if.

J

Yes, we should start advertising for uh for the members right at that point, yeah yeah. I would.

F

Think it'd have to be pretty quick. You know if this is adopted by july 1st um and we're actively.

J

uh Trying to fill the positions, I think we'll be in good shape. Okay, I mean that.

B

Helps a little bit yeah if they see we're in the process, who's gonna say you know, I don't know.

B

That's why I'm not married to july the first so necessarily I say that legislative initiatives.

D

Are supposed to solve an existing problem? I didn't know we had an existing problem with this to solve.

D

I also question the constitutionality of this long term that if and when an officer.

D

Is entered into this system with a good attorney, I think he could even.

D

Challenge the constitutionality of this and potentially get thrown out.

D

I mean, I think, we're just going down the wrong path on this, but, as my colleague said, we're stuck.

D

With it that's very frustrating, I I really feel for the legal community out there you're already.

D

Challenged, as is with getting recruits to come on board and now they're throwing this. On top of you.

D

And all of us to make it even harder, and what are we truly trying to solve? Do we have a problem here.

D

At least in this guy, I don't think we do it's just frustrating and you you guys.

D

And, ladies out there in law enforcement, you have their empathy on this, but I think our.

D

Hands are tied. We just have to move forward as best we can. It could take years to pass this.

B

Yeah, okay, so I guess next steps now I mean you heard our concerns.

B

uh I'd like to revisit that that.

B

Little debate that we had on what you know one year imprisonment were.

B

Not means I have a little bit of a problem with that. I just.

B

The perception there to me seems off if you're, if you're putting a board together that ultimately.

B

Is looking at law enforcement, but yet you allow folks that perhaps may have had a problem with law.

B

Enforcement they're allowed to be on the board. Wait what I don't know. I've got a problem with.

B

That so, if we could re-look at that, the rest of this is what it is, and I guess we'll just have to.

B

Start rolling, but I am a little bit, I'm a little challenged by that. But yet I do see your point.

B

As well- and I I don't know, if there's a common ground here somewhere- I'm sort of on the fence.

A

Well, actually, I think the common ground is us because, as it goes through the interview process,.

A

It'll be weeded out, so we make as least qualifiers as possible as it comes to us.

A

We, then you know, create the quality for it right and, if somebody you know is you know, fictitiously.

A

62 years old and was in prison when they were 23, because they did some boneheaded thing somewhere.

A

Somehow in illinois- and they did a year and a half and now they've been married for 25.

A

Years have raised two wonderful kids and they're working somewhere. Well, you know they should have.

A

The ability and qualities to come in front of us and say we want to be on this board. It's then up.

A

To us to say you are or not qualified. Now I'm not talking about someone. You know that expectations.

A

They just get up get out of the jail and a year and a half later through pardon. They are now.

A

Getting you know working, you know at a challenging situation and trying to get themselves. You know.

A

Back together, but there's a lot of our community that have walked the walk of challenging places.

A

And I don't want to again not to work together and push them to the side, but so that that's in my.

A

Mindset yeah and that's fine, but there's a lot of there's a huge percentage of people out there that.

B

Have walked the walk and have never been in any kind of trouble at all right so right, so let's not.

A

Forget them no, but put them all in the same pool and as it's decided, we have the ability to provide.

A

The qualifying decisions on whether they he or she belongs on the board or not. That's all. I just.

A

That that's my two cents at this point I mean we'll we'll go further down this road.

D

But- and the debate is extremely healthy- that we have this in front of the public, so thank you.

A

Okay, mr president, I think the public hearing could be brought to a close okay.

F

I'll make the motion that we close the public hearing, leave the record open for a total of 10 days to allow any additional public input.

A

So I hear a second set. Second, okay, apprehensive, like I mean.

A

Okay, I got a motion. I got a second. It was a very good discussion. Gentlemen, really appreciate.

A

Your time being here, any other discussion, no very well done tim all in favor.

A

Aye aye all right, mr boucher. Yes, sir good, okay, fantastic! Let's move on.

A

To another public hearing proposed noise ordnance revision replacement. What do you have? What do.

J

You have to say uh first, I want to say the only reason you said well done is because I knocked.

J

Seven slides off at the very end, very well done. Wait, wait! Wait. There were seven more.

A

Actually was there an expectation I was listening to you. This will not just be as arduous.

D

Who knows, mr president, this is another public hearing and thankfully there is no powerpoint.

J

Thank you. This is a regarding the noise ordinance we have about current noise.

J

Ordinance that you're, considering whether to repeal and replace with a new noise ordinance.

J

And I would note that there was a notice of the public hearing published in the carroll county.

J

Times on april, 7th and april 14th, and it was also advertised on our carroll county website,.

J

uh The purpose of today is to hear public comment on this proposed, repeal and replacement of the.

J

No carroll county noise ordinance. As you know, the current law requires the use of calibrated, updated.

J

Decibel reading meters, which has been problematic for our law enforcement community, the new.

J

Ordinance would would simply prohibit unreasonable, unreasonably loud noises in areas which.

J

uh Unreasonably disturbed, uh endanger or injure the health, safety and welfare of reasonable.

J

Persons of ordinary sensitivity, it would prohibit two things number one unreasonably loud noise.

J

At any time, uh in the right that can be heard in a residential area and number two between the hours.

J

Of ten and seven it would prohibit unreasonably loud noise from music machines tools or other.

J

Amplified devices again, it replaces the use of decibel meters by the state the unreasonably.

J

Loud noise standard, which is basically a case by case consideration and the use of common sense.

J

There are exceptions in the new ordinance for uh municipal and county uses, garbage trucks, schools.

J

uh Farming and that sort of thing uh any questions of the board from my summary.

A

No, I do have um just a question if it's a point of order whatever, but I never reached out.

A

See if anybody was on a call should I have done that or well we're going to take. We have some.

J

Comments, but I mean I don't know, I'm talking about the last chris. Is there anybody on.

M

No sir, we had no callers, okay yup. Thank you very much. I just wanted to make sure that that was.

A

Clear we had no callers from the last one and we have no callers at this point. Yes, so, okay, thanks.

J

Any questions regarding the summary I just want to say we have someone here to speak. Yes, all right.

B

No questions yet no questions yet. Okay, we do have a a public comment. If please can.

J

We hear from greta boylston, please thank you and she has submitted a handout to you that.

J

Was where that came from yep? Okay, we ask that you limit your comments to three minutes. Please.

O

Good morning, commissioners, uh I wrote a little something up. My name is greta.

O

Boylston and I had the opportunity to serve on the all-terrain vehicle review committee.

O

The committee has been charged with reviewing all the comments received by the county commissioners.

O

On a draft noise, ordinance and zoning amendment, the meetings commenced on january 3rd of 2005.

O

And individuals, representing both sides of the atv issue, were appointed. In addition, county staff were.

O

Appointed to assist the committee, which included the county attorney and two mediators from the.

O

Family and community mediation center of carroll county to oversee the meetings.

O

The most important compromise that was made between both parties and.

O

The noise ordinance was the non-commercial, off-road vehicle use, setback requirements.

O

With this in place, we had met the needs of both groups, which had step stood the test of time.

O

The current generation of atv riders are aware of these regulations, as well as the companies.

O

That sell the vehicles. It is my understanding that the real problem with the current noise ordnance.

O

Is the very high cost of maintaining the a-n-s-I sound level meters? It was never.

O

The intention of the committee to require sound equipment that would be unrealistic to maintain.

O

It would be my advice to rework the current noise ordinance.

O

Not delete in its entirety but update and add what may be missing.

O

Keep intact the non-commercial, off-road vehicle use, setback requirements.

O

The noise ordnance you have today was never really wordy. It was just simply effective. Okay,.

O

Thank you for the time. Okay, thank you.

J

Miss boylston, can you explain the handout you you submitted to the board.

O

In the uh original ordinance, which is now still standing, uh the important.

O

The crux of the matter was: excuse me: could you get closer to mike I'm hard of hearing? Of course.

P

Me too, the non-commercial, off-road vehicle use setback requirements.

O

There were two parts to that requirement. It says accept, is provided in paragraph.

O

Two, a person may not operate or permit to operate an off-road internal combustion engine powered.

O

Recreational vehicle, including, but not limited, to a dirtbag bike, an all-terrain vehicle, a go-cart.

O

A snowmobile or a similar vehicle on private property, closer than 300 feet to our neighboring.

O

Residence or associated cartilage without the written permission of the affected resident.

O

Unless it can be demonstrated to the enforcement official.

O

That the vehicle can be operated within the noise limits specified in table 146-1.

O

I would like to tell you from my experience: 300 feet back from a property line is probably the.

O

Absolute minimum and you're still going to have a good bit of noise, but at least it's not somebody.

O

Directly coming by right on topia and yeah uh in section two of this, this section is not intended.

O

To restrict the use of agricultural vehicles- and, I might add you know, being a farmer and in farming.

O

Most of this activity is have happening on carroll, county farmland, okay,.

O

The atv use, the section is not intended to restrict the use of agricultural vehicles.

O

Off-Road vehicles used for law enforcement, fire emergency, military or other government purposes.

O

And vehicles used for routine access of of a property, as determined by the zoning administrator.

O

Thank you. Thank you. Any other additional comments.

A

Nope uh chris, there is nobody on right. How are you no callers? Okay, thank you.

A

I I would like to see one thing in this ordinance. I think it's page.

E

Two uh number: five, it says, use operation device and farming activities. I would like to have the.

E

uh Somewhere in there, uh the carroll county um right to farm ordinance supersedes this document.

E

Put in something like that, and that will be specify everything there as far as noise and.

B

Anybody out there yeah, I think that covers the aggregate part of it too, and I tend to agree with.

B

This 300 feet uh setback. uh While that's not a lot, I do think it. It provides that level of.

B

Buffer, if you will, that would help. I mean I get a ton of these up up in my neck of the woods.

B

Certainly, we could reword this because it wouldn't refer back to the table that it did because we're.

B

Getting rid of the decibel levels, but I do think we should probably keep the 300 foot in there.

B

Opinions on that I mean you're you're, our noise expert, you're, the noisiest. Well, you might not be.

B

The noisiest over there but you're getting the shortest unless it's a cannon. What do you have.

A

To say uh good afternoon, commissioners, um I think this ordinance is sound. The way it's written right.

Q

Now the definition of unreasonable is probably the highlight of the entire article, because that.

Q

Gives us the responsibility to take criminal or necessary enforcement in the future if we have to.

Q

I agree with commissioner lance on the 300-foot setback. I think as a compromise. We can all agree.

Q

With and it does give boundaries to people as well and awareness, commissioner weaver.

Q

I think you brought up a good point about the ag and it gives individuals responsibility to.

Q

Do things farm on their lands as they intend using the equipment, that's necessary to accomplish those.

Q

Goals um like I'm going to echo the most important description in here is unreasonable, because that.

Q

Gives us a crimp the teeth criminally to pursue an investigation like the gentleman.

G

And rupert that was firing, the cans off what he was doing was un unreasonable and was harassing.

Q

His neighbors as well, and that gave us the ability to charge them criminally and I'm very grateful.

D

For the investigation, how that turned out that was very difficult, because you know it very well.

D

And the 300 feet is good and I think seasons also affect that with foliage, whether it's an.

D

Open field or there's vegetation and the leaves come off so having it out that far will be good.

D

Because when the seasons do change, it'd be good to have that distance? I agree. Yeah I mean the the.

A

Gist of this is to cut down the nuisance in the communities, especially with atvs.

A

And when they're in the tree lines on paths right behind yards, that's at least in my area, I get a.

A

Lot of those challenging calls um and historically like I've, said in past hearings we're great.

Q

About going in and establishing relationships de-escalating and de-escalating the situation.

A

I mean that that is, you know to me. Your primary focus is to de-escalate an issue. That's correct.

A

This gives a little bit more teeth into the ability to one. Do that, but then say hey. You know.

A

If we need to put teeth into it, this is where we can go so yes, sir, okay, it's good seeing it.

D

Codified too, because I see there's incidents where say a grandparent buys their grandchildren atv and.

D

They run around their backyard they're clueless. I have no understanding what the ordinances are and.

D

I have a neighbor right up against that next thing. You know little kids are riding around their dirt.

D

Bikes and atvs and they're in violation, and they have a lot of contention and neighborhoods over.

D

That a lot of this is about public awareness as well, and making the consumer the civilian public.

Q

Aware of what the noise ordinance is right and many times it comes down to communication, because.

Q

They're not aware that they could be right, disturbing someone else's piece.

E

It's just one question you have residential area in here is that just because of houses.

E

Is which are causing a residential area? Is this residential zoning we use.

J

Residential uses more such though, in other words, the ag zone conservation zone.

J

That they are not quote residential zones, but they have a lot of residential uses in there. If it's.

E

Houses, though, if it's houses, yes, okay, that's what kind of first year, okay,.

B

So then, the other part of that section that was in the previous one, pertain to uh identifying those.

B

Things that it's not intended to restrict- uh and I think that part of it is okay as well, although, if.

B

You're gonna do the right to farm part of it. Maybe that covers it, but certainly making sure that law.

B

Enforcement and all public safety is covered in military and other governmental purposes.

B

I think we could probably stop there. I don't know if we want to get the zoning administrator.

B

Involved in vehicles for him or her, but I think maybe to put part of that in there as well.

B

And cross out that zoning part of it ought to be included as well. So that would cover.

B

The public safety part of it because uh we've been putting out a lot of woods fires lately.

B

In the in the county and we're using atvs to do it because we can't get to some of these areas.

J

Well, I don't imagine that the law enforcement would consider that an unreasonable.

J

Use, I don't think it's necessary, you don't no, sir. I don't think personally. um I don't. I think.

Q

You're going to have a hard time for civilians if you're putting a fire out in someone's backyard.

Q

That they're going to complain about emergency equipment driving, okay, causing noise; okay, I'm.

B

Good, then, if we just do that, first section, it's that it's that common sense piece. Yes, sir, what.

J

It's true, commissioner, lance what what were you proposing.

B

That we put in uh into the new ordinance, we include that three hundred foot.

B

Section one but eliminating the last sentence that.

B

That refers you back to a table because we're getting rid of the decibel.

B

Table and then let it go with that and I'm I'm good with with the rest of that. I don't want.

B

To get too, I don't want to get too angry here with this thing, so fair enough, yeah.

A

Okay, so I'll move that we close the public portion of the hearing and leave the record open.

B

For a total of 10 days to receive any additional public input, and I would I guess, when you come.

B

Back to us week after next or whatever, there's the right to farm and the atv will be in there.

B

Okay, I was second removed. Okay, I got motion second, any further discussion.

A

Seen hearing that all in favor all right good, thank you. Thank you. Ma'am.

E

Thank you. Thank you. I can't believe I voted for a noise organization. What did you say? Yeah all.

B

The noise you've been giving me weaver about this for the last year: okay, wow scary. Let's move on to.

A

Subscription renewal for the critical health and wellness applica act: this will be less contentious.

R

We are here this morning to seek your approval.

R

To see, let me start over again: we were here last year before the board and you were proved to pay.

R

Cortico in incorporated to provide a customized mobile health and wellness app for this law.

R

Enforcement agency, we are now requesting your approval to review the annual subscription cost.

R

Of thirty thousand dollars and that subscription fee covers the licensing.

R

Maintenance and ongoing updates and unlimited use by carroll, county sheriff's office personnel.

R

This is awarded is covered by an awarded grant and it's approved by the budget office. No additional.

R

Funds will be necessary and vicki can answer any questions about the subscription itself.

F

Well, we're just renewing what we did last year correct. So with that I'll make the motion the.

F

Board of commissioners approved the annual subscription of the thirty thousand dollars to cortico it to maintain the health and wellness of law enforcement.

F

App for the sheriff's office. Second, I got a motion against a second any further discussion.

A

Seeing you none all in favor all right, okay, thank you. That means you'll walk over for nothing, but.

F

I mean you already did absolutely thank you, yeah. If you can walk over for nothing.

B

It's always good to get that was good, fresh exercise, blah blah blah. You could use your app.

A

Close to the old way now, let's talk about purchasing software licenses and subscriptions.

A

For the state's attorney's office good morning, commissioners, good morning good morning, good.

A

Morning, hey again our um here to seek your approval to purchase software and associated.

R

Hardware from pen link at a cost of 29, 999 and seven cents. This software will assist.

R

The state's attorney's office and carroll kenny drug firearms trafficking task force.

R

With undercover and surveillance investigation, a notice of intent to sole source was advertised.

R

After receiving pendlink's quote, no capability statements were received, this cost covers, but is.

R

Not limited to the initial training software installed, licensing maintenance and support.

R

This amount is adopted in the fy 22 budget and no additional funds should be needed.

R

And I will turn it over and you can answer any questions they might have about this software.

A

It was sole source to pen link um is penlink being used in other jurisdictions. Yes, it's.

S

The maryland state, police and other surrounding jurisdictions use it, and one of the reasons why we.

S

We thought that was the best when it was recommended to us by empson. Partners is because.

S

When we have a joint investigation, be able to share and it'd be integrated, where we'd be able.

S

To share data and synthesize data, and it wouldn't have to go through any um conversion process or.

S

Anything is peddling also being used by federal. I don't know about the federal partners. I know.

S

That from the state partners we work with maryland state police and other agencies. It is used by them.

A

Okay and that's a that's, a very important piece. So when we look at soul sourcing, a capability.

A

That there is very specific reason why we're sold sourcing it to get the most out of it and the best.

A

Benefit, so that's what penn link is providing yes and you and your perspective. Yes, okay, thanks.

D

Mr queen, can you tell the public in basic layman terms how this will positively impact your job.

S

Yes, so, for example, um we prosecute cases, um drug cases, gun cases and sometimes distributions that.

S

Relate to overdoses, so, for example, if the police respond to an overdose scene and the.

S

um They find out that the the overdose victim bought drugs from particular drug dealer, who.

S

Uses a phone number, the police were able to take that phone number use a system like pen, link and.

S

Try to figure out whether what other cases is this is the suspect involved with what other.

S

Groups is this person involved with to try to go to the source of the the dealer of drugs to try to.

S

Apprehend them or shut it down or if it's a public health thing, if they're able to stop that person.

S

From dealing with others to cause overdoses, so this this hopefully because you can imagine these.

S

Types of things have mounds and mounds of data. This will not only help collect data, but also.

S

Analyze it and and organize it, so they can help their investigation to lead them to the right.

S

Suspect and make sure we can protect the public. So it's a technology investigative tool. Yes, a.

D

Different world than probably when you started in the office, absolutely absolutely cell phones were.

S

Flip phones, when I started so it conducts the link analysis. What you're saying yes, okay, got it: okay,.

A

It's a world where I came from yeah, I'm with the board of commissioners award the purchase.

A

Of software and associate hardware from penn link at a cost of twenty nine thousand nine.

A

Hundred ninety nine dollars and zero seven cents. Second, okay: I got emotionally a couple seconds.

A

For the extra 93 cents could we get a like additional software? I I think this is all sold.

S

Yeah yeah, I have no idea, I'm just happy that we're able to get this okay, any discussion.

A

Questions all in favor, aye, okay, thank you. Commissioners have a good day. Thank you.

A

Okay, let's move on to 20 town accusation: number 48, the school property.

T

Good morning, commissioners, my name is hannah weber with the department of planning.

T

And with me is price wagner for reinforcements, I guess and with us today is we have the city.

T

Of tawny, town, jim wieprett and daryl hale to answer any questions that you guys have.

T

So getting started, um as I said, we are here for the tawny, town, annexation.

T

Number 48 of the seoul property.

T

Starting out um the annexation area is approximately 126 acres.

T

Orienting ourselves, we have maryland 140 to the south of the annexation area.

T

And then we have harney road which splits the annexation, north and south.

T

Splitting it between the west annexation and the east annexation.

T

The west annexation is approximately 115 acres and it encompasses this large parcel and then the.

T

East annexation on the east side of harney road is the smaller parcel, which is approximately 10 acres.

T

Here is a different plot that was submitted with the annexation packet again, the annexation area.

T

If you can see the light blue highlight the west annexation and then the east annexation.

T

We have the municipality in the blue color and then we have the county, which is in the red.

T

And then again we have maryland 140 to the south and then harney road splitting the annexation.

T

Taking a look at the parcel layout in relation to tawny town, it is in the northwest quadrant, as you.

T

Can see in this map we have the corporate limits in the red hatching. We have the annexation area.

T

In the blue, and then we have the growth area boundary in the gold and black outline.

T

Here is an aerial view of the annexation area. Again, it's in blue, as you can see the west side.

T

Of the annexation, the larger 115 acre parcel is improved. There's a couple dwellings on the.

T

Larger parcel and then the smaller parcel, that's included and then the east side of the annexation.

T

Is completely unimproved again the growth area boundary in black and gold? I will note the reason.

T

Of its curvature, I believe, is the upper monocacy stream. So you can see there is some part of.

T

The annexation area- that's not completely in the growth area boundary, but the city is aware of this.

T

Boundary issue, but it's not not that big of an issue and then again the corporate limits in red.

T

Moving on to zoning under the county, the entire annexation area, so the entire 126 acres.

T

Is zoned ag the petitioners of the annexation, which is the city of tawny town, are requesting the.

T

Annexation area go into our ten thousand, so under the county, it's approximately one dwelling unit.

T

Per 20 acres under the ag zone and then going into an r10 000 zoning we're going to a 4.3.

T

Dwelling unit per 1 acre so considering the it's more 50 percent, more dense, going into the city.

T

Of tawny town, a zoning waiver is required per maryland state code and it has been requested.

T

Moving on to the designated land use, I'm going to split it up between the west and east annexations.

T

The west annexation we have a land use of conservation, which is approximately 39 acres.

T

And then we have a medium density residential in the yellow, which is approximately 77 acres.

T

As I said, the requested zoning is r10 000, so, given the designated land uses of conservation and the.

T

Medium density, residential, the requested zoning is not consistent with the designations given.

T

In their comprehensive plan going to the east annexation, um the land use designation is the.

T

Suburban residential and this part, the 10 acres, is consistent with their comprehensive plan.

T

Moving on to water and sewer for both water and sewer, the property is in the long range service.

T

Categories for both water and sewer, the city is aware that um there is some capacity issues for.

T

Water and sewer, um given the numbers taken from the carroll county, water and sewer master plan.

T

They are currently at 88 capacity for water and 83 percent capacity for sewer maryland.

T

Department in the environment prefers all systems be less than 80 percent for both water and sewer.

T

So going back to the service category, since the annexation area is in long range.

T

The demand of the projected the demand of the annexation area is not taken into.

T

Account of these capacity numbers, given that it's in the long range service categories.

T

So some agency comments: um we have not received any comments yet from maryland.

T

Department of planning, as of this morning, land and resource management responded that.

T

They are concerned regarding water capacity and allocation, and then we received comments from.

T

Department of public works and the bureau of engineering and they are requiring harney road.

T

From maryland, 140 to the northern part of the annexation area be included in the annexation, so.

T

Harney road would be maintained and owned by the city of tawny town and to put that into context.

T

Department, the department of public works and engineering is requiring that.

T

From this intersection up to the northern part of the annexation area, be included in the annexation.

T

So the road would be maintained and owned by tawny town. This poses a problem with.

T

The annexation, because annexing this road would create an illegal enclave per maryland state code.

T

And this happens because this county land in the middle would be completely surrounded by municipal.

T

Land, so you wouldn't have access via this road anymore, because it would then be in the town.

F

What do you mean you wouldn't have access? We can still use the road yeah, you still have access, but.

T

You can't have a piece of land: that's completely, surrounded by a municipality. It's an island, okay,.

A

So what what's in that land um right now, it is being um it's farmed.

T

I know there's some commercial properties um and there's no interest in tying town to I'm not sure.

T

If tonytown wants to speak to that um or we're gonna yeah talk to them in a minute anyway, yeah.

T

I'm not I'm not sure this annexation uh packet, I received only included the larger 126 acres.

T

So it's our recommendation that we are not supporting this annexation and the requested.

T

Zoning waiver recapping, the proposed zoning is inconsistent with their comprehensive plan.

T

The water and sewer capacity would is a concern, especially under the r 10 000 zoning, that they are.

T

Requesting and then annexing harney road would create the illegal enclave per maryland code.

T

We met with the planning and zoning commission on tuesday. As commissioner lance knows, we had a.

T

Lengthy discussion and they said they wanted to give it a favorable recommendation to you all.

T

So today we are just here for an informational briefing. We are coming back.

T

Next thursday, the 28th for a decision on the zoning waiver.

T

And that'll be just in time for the city's public hearing on may 4.

T

That does it for my presentation. I can go back if you have any questions.

T

On slides, no, I do think talking to the gentleman is a good idea.

A

Having us making a decision a week prior to the town's public hearing, it's a very short notice.

A

I mean it kind of pigeonholes a lot of discussions. I mean when we're are the landowners pushing this.

T

I know that they are in favor of the annexation, yeah and I'm not sure if yeah they're clark.

B

Schaefer's representing their request, property owner. Yes, they are requesting annexation, correct.

T

The city of tawny town is the petitioners right, so they're, the one that submitted the.

T

Application for annexation, but the property owners are on board with it. So I think we get.

A

Some conversation from the the town and then the property owner. You know that can help.

A

Kind of give us a better view of what's going on um yeah, I I think yeah we can do.

B

That put your hand down clark. um uh I love you on in the journeys. I think it's so it's.

B

You're right there there was lengthy discussion uh at planning and zoning, uh most of it centered.

B

Around some of these concerns as well that they there were some- maybe cart before the.

B

Horse type of of of thinking here uh there, this enclave thing keeps coming up, which I.

B

Don't think it's an enclave, but that's here or there, um but ultimately, after all of those.

B

Discussions and well water and sewer because we're concerned about that, but I think we're.

B

Going to hear from tawny town on that one and I for the record, I met with the city of tawny, town.

B

As well, I met with jim and the mayor uh and, and um you know, I've gotten I've gotten.

B

Hit from all sides on this one, but ultimately I think what this comes down to.

B

Is this, is everyone identifies that this is not going to happen uh next week? This is long range.

B

And the thinking is, if it's not, if we don't begin this process now uh that.

B

It's gonna put it off and uh it could put it off for as much as five years and uh that would affect.

B

uh Some of the conversations that the landowners have had with uh potential uh business or com.

B

The the builder up there, because that's gonna sort of take it off the table all together.

B

So we want to try to get the process rolling along here. Are there some some challenges here.

B

Absolutely I believe that there are- and I do know about that other piece of property.

B

That was asked about, but I'm going to be very mindful of not talking about that because it.

B

Belongs to someone that I'm doing business with so I'm going to let that alone. At this point,.

B

But the recommendation from you folks was based on on uh the parameters surrounding.

B

The definitions of what you feel is is there. I will also say that I believe that the word.

B

Required by dpw is not correct. Dpw can't require any of that to occur. They can strongly recommend.

B

But I don't think dpw can require us to take a road. That's sort of the discussion that I've.

B

Had with some folks, because I I followed up on that so take which road harney right, yeah.

K

It is a road, isn't it no for the tawny town to take yeah, they they're sure our dpw says.

B

That it would be required for the city of tawny town to take it. I I I don't believe that will.

B

The city of donaldtown take it. What do you think daryl? You want another road.

B

But we'll see you guys, but I I think we do need to hear yeah, but but the the discussion was if.

A

Tony town took that road. They cannot take that road by state regulations because it would create.

A

That island effect of county property correct. So that's what you said, but that's if they take the.

F

Whole road, where they take the road from the end of the of the property in blue to you, know what I.

F

Mean just that one section of road that could they could take that part? That piece would then create.

A

No, no, the piece, this middle piece would still be in an island, but I think there was a road proposed.

B

And I I think we need to hear from another party here that yeah may have had his hand up uh a road.

B

Proposed that would take the enclave discussion off the table. Okay, but I I think so what I'd.

A

Like to you know, listen to first is tonytown's um kind of thoughts about moving this forward.

A

And how it fits in with their vision of tawnytown I mean and its growth. That's that's to me like.

A

The real important part of this is this within 20 towns, whether we call mastermind within the.

A

Vision and not just piecemealing opportunities of land, because this is a significant piece of land.

A

That you know can be used for other things, but if 20 town wants to step up to the plate.

B

I'm going to switch seats here, yeah yeah, easier! Well, yeah, the two of you go away.

A

Thank you so much that was, that was a very good briefing too far away. Yeah really.

A

Okay, gentlemen, hello commissioners,.

U

So where do I start? um Well, I will say, with regard to capacity, we certainly share concerns there.

U

We are working on additional recharge acreage to allow us to approach mde for increasing.

U

Appropriation permits on the water side for our clouds. We believe we have.

U

Capacity within our existing wells to serve this development as well as more, but we are limited.

U

By recharge acreage because of mde's owned and controlled policy, so we need to acquire.

U

Recharge easements on property within our aquifer to be able to pump more out of our existing wells.

U

So we are working on that side currently on the sewer side.

U

We have no expectation that mde is going to increase our permit at our treatment plant. However,.

U

Our plant capacity is 1.1 million gallons per day, and our dry weather flows are roughly 400 000.

U

So we're losing over half of our capacity to inflow and infiltration. So when we have a dry year.

U

And we do our three year average, that was, it was mentioned for the 80 capacity on water and sewer.

U

We look at that as a three year average. So if we have a couple dry years, it looks like we have.

U

Capacity if we have wet years, we don't so with with our inflow and infiltration or ini problem.

U

We're subject to the weather so we're working to correct that we've received our first transfer of.

U

Arka money and the vast majority of that. Well, that's going to all water sewer and stormwater.

U

Infrastructure projects, so we have a number of inflow and infiltration reduction projects.

U

On the books, one's already under construction, our meadowbrook interceptor replacement, and we expect.

U

To recover significant capacity through these projects so, as I said, we're losing half of our.

U

Capacity at the treatment plant to rain water and we've got to get that under control, and we do have.

U

Plans in place that are starting to happen now to do that so with those with recovering that lost.

U

Capacity, we believe we'll have a capacity by the time the sewell farm is through the review.

U

Process and has plans ready that we will have the capacity before their plans are approved.

U

With regard to the road and the enclave.

U

The annexation plat left harney road out for that specific purpose.

U

We certainly expect to have the conversation with county roads about accepting that.

U

Much as we did with anton boulevard years ago, you may be aware antrim boulevard was.

U

Surrounded by city property within the city limits on both sides for many years and the city delayed.

U

Accepting that until we saw some development in that ancient boulevard corridor, but we did have.

U

A situation for many many years where there was a county maintained road through the city and harney.

U

Road could be a similar situation. We know county roads is not going to like that idea. So we're.

U

Open to having that conversation, the city can accept maintenance of the road ownership of road.

U

Without annexing it, so we can own property beyond the city limits uh case in point being.

U

Our bollinger park was only annexed within the last couple years, but the city has owned that.

U

Property for over a generation! So even if we were to accept the road and whether we would.

U

Accept it to the northern boundary on the west side or the northern boundary on the east side.

U

You know a few hundred feet. Difference we'll have we expect to have those conversations.

U

uh But that we don't have to annex it, you see that as a non-issue yeah, correct, okay,.

A

What about the master plan? What about the vision of growth right so in our um in our annexation?.

U

Plan we did speak to that. We recognize that to be fully compliant and match the comprehensive plan.

U

We would be looking at a mixture of our 10 000 r, 20 000 and open space that would align with the.

U

Suburban residential, medium density, residential and um and conservation, that's shown on the land.

U

Use plan for our comprehensive plan, so that said, the proposed development does preserve the open.

U

Space portion on the western part of the property and the property owners have expressed an interest.

U

In utilizing our community village overlay, which allows uh preservation of open space.

U

And a higher density kind of a clustering type of approach where we concentrate the.

U

Infrastructure and preserve more open space is kind of the driving factor for that ordinance. So.

U

As development is proposed, it does cluster the development towards the.

U

West side of harney road in the area that, on the map that was shown before was the yellow.

U

There's no development proposed currently for the portion on the east side of barney road.

U

But overall it's putting houses where we said there were going to be houses.

U

But it's putting a higher density there, but it is preserving the open space that sorts.

U

The wooded part of the property to the west, so it does align in broader terms,.

U

But we fully acknowledge that, yes to be completely consistent with the comprehensive plan, we would be.

U

Looking at a mixture of three zoning designations, instead of r10 in its entirety, okay, good, what.

E

About this property in the middle you're, jumping over a property to annex someone in what were the.

E

Intentions of the town on that right, um we have had some conversations with that property owner.

U

They have expressed some interest in coming into the city. uh The mayor and council did.

U

Not want to, unfortunately, at that point the sewell annexation was already underway.

U

And they did not want to change that process by adding additional properties to it.

U

Long term, we certainly envision that property coming in as a mixture of residential and.

U

Commercial! That's how it is in our comprehensive plan, with commercial being along the 140 frontage.

U

But we decided to pursue that as a separate, a separate annexation in the future.

U

The um the sole property is being sold to a developer or is the school property.

A

Doing the development, um my understanding is: they there is a developer as a contract.

U

Purchaser I'll let mr shaffer speak to vada as he represents the property owner. Okay,.

A

Okay um yeah, I like that answer about not having to worry about that road. If you know there's an.

A

Agreement that could be made between the town and the county, I'm mainly maintaining that road.

A

I mean why make things too difficult so and we expect when we are going through the.

U

Subdivision planning process that county rhodes is going to come up with or a list of comments.

U

The developer is going to have to address those comments and agree to whatever road improvements.

U

The county requires, while it's a county road and in our.

U

I'm thinking back to antrim boulevard, where we had a similar.

U

Not an issue regarding annexation, but we had an issue regarding development of a particular.

U

Parcel that was adjacent to the road and in order for that project to move forward.

U

We had to work out the basically a deal with the county with the rhodes bureau.

U

And we ended up accepting antrim boulevard in order to make that project come to fruition.

U

So I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar scenario. You know we fully expect the county.

U

Is going to say, you need to do a b and c to harney road so that you can have access and so on, but on.

U

A parallel path, I expect we'll be also talking with the rhodes folks about eventual acceptance.

U

Of that and how that's going to be timed with regard to development of the sewell property.

D

Well, the harney road is my preferred route to go to gettysburg on motorcycles, so I've seen a.

D

Development take place on the corner of harney and 140. and that's or 10 000. Am I correct.

U

That's actually our 7 500 on our city, so it's even tighter. So this potential development would be.

D

Incomparable to that which has already taken place, my concern is I'll. Ask commissioner winston these.

D

Are his constituents when development like this takes place down in in the southern and either.

D

Eldersburg or mount airy, the pitchforks come out and the torches come out and we hear it. I'm just.

D

Wondering what the feel is for the community out there and whether commissioner lance is hurting.

D

The outcry or citizens want this, it's not my district, so I really put a lot of emphasis.

D

On to his constituents and the concerns he's heard, I I'm going to await the public hearing that the.

B

Town is going to have on may the 4th and I think that will be answered then yeah specifically, I.

B

Certainly haven't heard anything, but I don't know that I would at this point, uh but I do.

B

Applaud the town for having that public hearing good, we'll see what comes out then. So I do know.

B

That that intersection, that you're talking about needs some um needs some assistance. uh That's been.

B

A that's been a tough intersection for a lot of years. uh Quite frankly, you have to almost.

B

Turn right in order to turn left appropriately, so we're anticipating that this probably will.

B

Help to push some improvements there from sha uh to at least look at some sort of improvement. There.

B

Would you agree with that jim? I expect there to be some changes to that intersection. Yes, and that.

U

That is something that um you mentioned: the tony town crossing project right on the corner. There.

U

That's that intersection is what I would say. We've heard more comment about than the development.

U

Itself is that that intersection is already bad, more development's, going to make it worse. The the.

U

Comments we have heard so far. Of course, we always have the the folks that, well, you know I bought my.

U

House here last year- and I moved here because of the small town, so I don't want it to grow.

U

And yeah: that's pretty typical. It's a situation here and I know that and I'm sure you hear that.

U

As well but um but the intersection seems to be the large concern for me, because when.

D

You're you're coming southbound harney and you're, making that left-hand turn to go into.

D

Tony town, you have people on 140 heading east bend on high at a traveling a much higher rate of speed.

D

They're not as conscious they haven't slowed down because they actually haven't hit.

D

What they perceive as a city, so it's a dangerous spot to make that turn out, because they're.

D

Traveling, usually at excessive rate of speed and coming at it straight. But it's kind of the same.

D

Thing we face on 31 at medford right. I think the crux of that intersection is um I I still.

U

Doubt that, even with development of the sewell farm that we will meet the warrants required for.

U

For sha standards for a traffic light to be there, but I do expect that some reconfiguration of the.

U

Intersection to have it come in at more of a 90 degree. T instead of the angle that it's at now.

U

And that may be achievable within the existing right-of-way with that's there, that that will be.

U

Up to the engineers who are going to be working on the the civil design, because I'm sure that's going.

U

To be an off-site improvement, that's going to be required when we do a traffic study when they.

U

Well and then I, with the proposed density of traffic study, is going to be in order.

A

You uh you mentioned that it's going to be.

A

Our 10 000 or 20 thousand mixed right in that that's what it would be to be completely.

U

Consistent with the comprehensive plan- because here you know what I'm looking at as far as the.

A

You know annexation number 48 is the proposed municipal zoning is our 10 000.

U

That's correct yes, so, in that regard, as I said it to be completely consistent with our comprehensive.

U

Plan it would be a mixture of those three zoning districts so because part of my concern is that.

A

We only limit it to our 10 000 and that we have that mixed. um So I don't know if that's.

A

Put into this, or is that just you know this is as low as it can go and that's what we do.

A

When we look at these things, um you know I'm not sure how to address that that that's one of my.

A

Concerns is that what you're, saying and what's here are two separate.

A

So I certainly understand concern no. I, like commissioner wentz said I am looking forward.

A

To hearing the comments from the community because it's their community and how many.

A

How many homes do you think are planned in that area? Roughly, I think a little under 300. I we've.

U

We've seen a couple rough concept plans and the numbers of the proposed units have varied greatly.

U

We did not want to in our annexation agreement. We kept uh kept things very broad, yeah.

U

With with the property owners and, and while the city has officially.

U

Begun this annexation process, it was not with petition.

U

It was as a result of the property owners approaching the city, so you know this is.

U

Definitely something the owners are wishing to see. Okay, you can get the road issue taken care of.

E

I think that has to be a down maintenance anyway or whatever right. So I'm.

U

I'm sure our public works director is much much like uh much like yours. um The few you.

U

Know fewer miles we have to push snow on and so on the better, but but he will he will come around.

A

um Okay, any other questions, gentlemen. We want to hear from mr schaefer in a short minute or two.

B

We put chris, could we put the three-minute timer possible? Actually, I do represent the actual.

V

Property owner developer, who is a stakeholder here, so I appreciate I appreciate your respect.

A

You always have our respect. um The sewell property has been in the mix for development and annexation.

V

In tony town, for about 10 years now it's a christmas tree farm. The sewells are getting older.

V

It was kind of moved forward and then it stopped six or seven years ago, because the town.

V

Was interested then wasn't now the town said like two years ago said: okay, we're interested it.

V

Makes some sense, um and so we're here with town support, and I also want to make clear the exact.

V

uh Process and procedure that's going on here. The town wants to annex a piece of land.

V

The county is a is an interested party under the town county agreement and under any good.

V

Sense and common sense: the county cannot tell the town, no what the county can do.

V

Is say we're not going to waive our objection to you, zoning the property for a density higher than.

V

Its current agricultural zoning, which we clearly are we're asking for r10 from ag under ag we'd, be.

V

10 lots, you know whatever we're asking for and by so so that's what's going on here, we're asking for.

V

A waiver now I found the planning um presentation interesting. For this reason it was no no no.

V

Bad bad bad! This is why and then, oh, by the way, the planet commission unanimously recommended.

V

That you wave now you got to ask yourself why that happened um after that staff report. Why.

V

Is there a unanimous recommendation but I'll leave? That's a rhetorical question.

V

Okay, um the properties in the growth area boundary. The property has been made very clear. It's always.

V

Always it's envisioned for development. It's envisioned for this mix. Now, commissioner,.

V

Rostein you're correct and then the planners have said this. If you read the master plan strictly.

V

This is not consistent with it. It's a mix. Well, that's not quite, and I don't agree with that.

V

Because the master plan is number one, a guideline number two, the master plan envisions this for.

V

A fairly significant development, it's in the long range plan for water and sewer.

V

So that's another evidence that it's envisioned for this kind of development. We have.

V

We've been dealing with toy town for a year or so now on this we have an annexation agreement.

V

In place it it, it says the maximum number of units is 340.. I mean the town's not well.

V

I don't know anybody suggesting they're they're unsophisticated, but this is not something they're.

V

Just throwing up against the wall, we've looked at the density. We've looked at the area where we.

V

Can build on the property? uh We've looked at the open space uh and uh it's not an enclave. The the.

V

uh Legally, it's not an enclave. Now I think we're through this, but I'll mention the fact that.

V

The staff report essentially suggests that the county make this an enclave.

V

By requiring that the town requiring the department that we annex harney road, that.

V

The town of nx already wrote, which, if they did it, would be an enclave, but for a moment I know.

V

Let's talk about enclave, we, I don't think we have to, I think, we've gone past. I think the the intent.

A

Here is just to gather the information. um Tonytown, I believe, has been incredibly cordial professional.

A

And very transparent in your approach and we're looking forward to hearing from the community to.

A

Then go past that, but I mean you're you're doing what you do best and representing the the property.

A

Owner, but I don't think that's as necessary at this point: um okay, I'm seeing something I'm trying.

V

I'm I mean you, don't need to convince me I'll. Tell you that much I mean I'm, I'm convinced to listen.

A

To the community, that's my next step. Well, actually, commissioner, remember the board has to make a.

K

Decision on the 28th and the uh public hearing is on the fifth fourth or fifth, a week later,.

K

This board has to grant or deny the zoning waiver because, as as okay, that's the question.

A

I'm still pretty confused, I mean I'm, I'm thinking we're all kind of going in that right direction in.

A

The correct direction, which is where the direction that I started in because I I I wasn't too sure.

B

About this either. But when I did hear from the from the city of tony town and and listen to.

B

Your presentation, jim that we had whenever was and and heard from all uh the parties there.

B

That that certainly changed my mind on this, if tawnytown would wouldn't be asking for this.

B

And the sewells would be, and tonytown would be saying, no. We've been a whole different place here.

B

So you don't need to sell clark, the the you don't need to sell the car to the dealership, because the.

B

Dealership's got it okay, so I think we've got that part um I just want to. I want to be respectful of.

B

What we hear, but again, if we grant it and allow them to move forward, that's up to tawny, county and.

B

They're, ultimately, the ones that are asking for it and I do respect staff. You all know I've been here.

B

Seven and a half years- and I always talk about how wonderful our staff is sometimes I disagree.

B

And I do disagree with this with this notion that that someone has to take a road. I I that threw me.

B

For a loop a little bit, I'm like wait what so, so, ultimately, I think the respect that we have for.

B

Our municipalities comes into play here, absolutely honeytown's asking for this. You know what pawnee.

G

Town knows this is long-range plan. Montytown knows it has some work to do to get there.

B

Off we go, that's my opinion and just I 100 agree. I mean um we're not designed to be an obstacle.

A

Or you know a block, we're designed to be as minimal interference as possible.

A

In doing our due diligence, but allowing tonytown and the other municipalities to grow appropriately.

A

And take charge of the properties I mean. Why would we have to wait until next week to make a decision.

A

Can we just, is there any reason huh we don't have the comment letter prepared.

K

Comment letter prepared but um which, which says remind us again with the comment letter.

K

It's merely basically granting the waiver or not that's what you're going to do in the comments.

K

Okay right there, but if we say that we would like to grant the waiver, why can't we just.

B

Have the letter written now yeah I like to make a motion to grant the waiver to tony town to.

A

Deal with the sole property- and this allows me not to listen to clark for another five minutes.

V

I was just gonna say: that's the best way to shut me up and I will rapidly. Second, it.

A

Okay is there further discussion? I will just I'll just state very quickly that, as far as the real.

D

Estate market, some of the most affordable area for young families to purchase a potential house.

D

Is in the northwestern corner of the county and I'm a very strong advocate of any housing.

D

Development take place within the municipalities where there's existing water and sewer.

D

So this does seem like a good fit for our overall objective for the county. Thank you.

D

Not sure any other further discussion, gentlemen, I really appreciate the dialogue all in favor.

V

Clark, not only did you get shut down, but you were accused of being a used car dealer.

B

I didn't say used: there goes his billing allen. He always reminds me of clark griswold.

D

That was good. Okay, let's move on to 2022-23 hazardous materials, emergency.

A

Preparedness, hmip grant application scott you coming up all right, valerie and mike cool.

P

Good morning, commissioners, more apologize hope you can hear me. Well, um I'm actually going to ask.

P

Valerie to take the lead on this presentation, I'll just simply say that we're here today.

P

With regard to, as you said, commissioner, uh the 2022 2023 has materials emerge, preparedness.

P

Grant application and as valley will valerie will explain. It is a bit unique in that, unlike.

P

Any other brand- I hope it's any other, or maybe it's the ones that we manage. Okay, any grant that.

P

We're involved with this actually does involve applying versus being advised. Here's the amount.

P

Of some money and developing a spending plan, so if I make mr valerie good morning, commissioners uh as.

W

Director campbell mentioned, we are here to ask for your approval to apply for the 2022-2023 hazardous.

W

Materials: emergency preparedness grant. We normally utilize this grant for training initiatives.

W

In cooperation with a hazardous materials response team, we work with them to identify. You know what.

W

Training gaps that they're seeing so we try to utilize this money to apply to meet those gaps.

W

Our proposed application this year is requesting uh twenty thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars.

W

For uh training uh regarding uh opioid risk based response training, there's.

W

Also, a thc extraction, hands-on training, that's eight hours and then also a hazmat iq class with.

W

Regard to homemade explosives, looking at the the risk profile that we see and a lot of the.

W

Somewhat nefarious activity, sometimes that's going on around the world. These are things.

W

That the hazmat team sees on the horizon that they really want to be prepared for, and this.

W

Grant is intended to provide some training to help them respond to situations involving any of those.

W

Items the performance period for this grant would be september 30th of this year, 2022.

W

uh Through september 30th sorry 29th of 2023, they always threw 29th in there instead of 30th.

W

It does require a 25 match that can be cash or in kind. We plan to meet that with.

W

In-Kind funds with previously budgeted funds, so no additional county funds are required. The match.

W

Would be five thousand two hundred twelve dollars and fifty cents uh that would bring the total.

W

Project to twenty six thousand, sixty two dollars and fifty cents. So if you have any other questions.

E

What would uh emergency management do without acronyms.

E

Gotta figure out what all of them mean here, but uh well hopefully.

W

I didn't use too many without explaining wow.

A

Okay, I'll make the motion the board of commissioners approved 2022 2023, as is.

F

Hazardous materials, emergency preparedness for an application to mdem, as well as accept these.

F

Grant funds, if awarded second, I got a motion. I got a second all in favor all right. Okay, thank.

A

You thank you. Thank you. That was easy. That was easy, easy! Okay, let's talk about slurry seal.

A

Approval to piggyback a fellow county government term contract for micro surfacing.

A

Five roads within the county. It looks too much like slurpee seal slurpee seal good morning.

X

Commissioners good morning, maybe it is yeah. We are all right, so uh kathy burts, our administrative.

X

Chief with the supervisor with roads operations- and I are here for you today for a couple of items.

X

The first one is, we are seeking your approval to piggyback a howard county government contract term.

X

Contract for micro surfacing uh we're slurry seals it's commonly referred to on five of our roads. Now.

X

We generally come before you annually. This is one of our preservation techniques that.

X

We use on roads throughout the county again, our our philosophy is the right treatment.

X

The right location at the right time, so uh kathy's going to go over the roads.

X

That we're going to hit this year and then we'll answer any questions you may have.

Y

Good morning, the roads that we plan to slurry this year are union bridge road, lawndale, road.

Y

Snydersburg bower socks and dennings for a total length of 13.08 miles those uh the cost for this.

X

Project uh on a term contractor was bid at four hundred fifty thousand forty four dollars and.

X

Sixty seven cents, you will note in your brief that we have included three percent in that.

X

Cost for contingent items such as an increase in the asphalt index and square yardage adjustments.

X

Our biggest concern is the asphalt index, obviously based on the price of oil, which, as you all know,.

X

Fluctuates uh minute by minute, so we have tried to incorporate that in our pricing. So with that.

X

Commissioners, if you have any questions, we'll be glad to answer that, for you I'll move the board.

E

Of commissioners approve the bureau of roads operations used, slurry pavers incorporated.

E

To preserve 13.8 miles roads using the micro surfacing process for 450, 04 dollars and 67 cents.

D

I will second that I got a motion guys. Second, any discussion you're, not all in favor, all right, okay,.

A

Let's talk about chip shielding now right, yes, sir, okay, so uh this item, uh commissioners is again a.

X

Piggyback uh on a howard county government term contract, so both of these have been on that, so I.

X

Just would like to point out this isn't only used in carroll county. uh It is used quite regularly.

X

As preservation techniques around- and uh we know that you all uh sometimes get complaints.

X

And uh we try to work through those and we do have an educational process. uh Commissioner, lance had.

X

Asked for many years ago and those letters still go out to the customers, so I just want to bring.

X

That up first uh so again, the uh this surface seal or chip seal treatment generally is used on roads.

X

That have bigger gaps in them, so they are. The gaps are a little bit too big for the the standard.

X

Slurry seal and what the chip does is that it gets into the gap when vehicles drive over it. They.

X

Drive it down further into the gap and then we seal on top of that. Our ultimate goal is to keep.

X

The water out of the road and out of the base and again preserve the road for as long as possible.

X

So kathy, if you give them those roads that we're doing this year, propose to do.

Y

Okay, this year, we will be doing feaser road north number, one which is up off of old towny town area.

Y

Bark hill road, robert arthur london, lawndale road, east old, batman valley, road humper, school house.

Y

Silver run valley, lemon road, luckleball mill, road, aleppo, road, kaufman, road, jordan's, retreat and rook.

Y

Road, the total length treated for the chip seal will be 26 miles so again uh with this process as.

X

With the last one we'll perform this, the roads will remain open, but we'll have lane closures.

X

Signage and flag folks about 25 working days for this to occur, and typically these will begin right.

X

Around mid-june, we try to do it after schools are out that way. There's no competition with bus.

X

Traffic or other traffic on the roads, and then we wrap up after that any questions. Commissioners, no.

F

I make the motion of board of commissioners approved bureau of roads operations to use.

F

American paving fabrics incorporated to preserve 26 miles of roads using the single seal surface.

F

Process for 680, 000 and dollars and 21 cents is that right, yeah, that's hard yeah.

A

Second, I got a motion got a second all in favor all right, all right.

B

Because I know what's going to happen, thank you, you got five. Those those letters have helped.

X

They have, and I think you know you brought our attention you'll be familiar with last.

X

Year, if I made that pleasant valley road, when it first started, we had one customer that you.

X

Knew personally that was upset at the end of the day when, after the road they've now said man, it.

X

Looks great and then last year we also dealt with the fact that we didn't have any paint to.

X

Put lines back on the room, that was true yeah, but you guys approved that paint earlier and.

X

We've got that paint stock, so we are ready to roll uh this year. Okay, that that helps so.

A

I appreciate that, thank you all have a great day, you junior, thank you.

A

Okay, chris and your team are going to take us through the next four actions.

A

Request: approval for grant application and acceptance of award environmental symposium.

L

Good morning, commissioners, good morning, we are here this morning to request your approval for a.

L

Grant application um that we are seeking 2500 from the giant company 2022 healing the planet, grant.

L

Program to help fund an environmental symposium to be held in the fall as part of our tentative.

L

National pollutant discharge elimination system permit. We are going to be required to hold 25.

L

Educational outreach events, we thought this was a great grant to kind of set the footing and gather.

L

Gather those in the community that are doing outreach on their own, bringing us all together.

L

To work collaboratively to achieve these goals and there's um you know anytime, we can, uh I guess.

C

Expand our efforts to uh to to improve our our watersheds. uh We want to take that opportunity. We.

C

For example, we just recently had the partnership for healthier carroll county reach out to us. They.

C

Want to do some treat planning and education uh in some areas and we're uh we're helping.

C

Coordinate finding them locations to be able to do that. They're see they're seeking grants from.

C

Other granting agencies to uh help with something like that and so give us an opportunity to pull.

C

Together, the groups that are uh that have a common interest so that we can, uh I guess, make the most.

C

Effective use of the resources in the community and and uh and have an impact on our watersheds.

L

We have you know, I guess chris has talked with mona becker with the city of westminster and we're.

L

Also going to be reaching out to carroll county public schools, engaging their environmental groups.

L

Incorporating kind of a recycling art contest as part of this symposium, hoping that that.

L

Draws people we will utilize these funds to have giveaways and prizes for those those contestants.

L

I mean, I think this is all great idea and great initiatives. I'm just wondering why we have to sit.

A

Up here and approve the 2500 grant and not just delegate that authority down, but that's our way of.

A

Doing business right now, right so, okay, I'll move, the board of commissioners approve the submit of.

E

The grant obligation acceptance award the uh giant government for environmental symposium.

E

Second, I got motion guys, second, all in favor all right. Okay, thank you. Absolutely now, let's.

A

Talk about the national pollution discharge, elimination systems and analytics support.

D

That was a mouthful. It is animation system analytics.

R

Good morning again, commissioners.

R

Yes, we are here to request your approval to ward, to award these services to martel laboratories.

R

Jfs in the amount of thirty one thousand two dollars, pricing is based on the annual time.

R

Weighted sampling- this is within the project budget, and no additional funds will be needed.

R

And I'll turn it over to byron. If you have any questions about the project itself,.

M

Commissioners, this is in support of our laboratory chemical analysis requirements.

M

For our national pollution discharge elimination system permit requirements, we do these annually. We require to do so. Many storm events per.

M

Year as part of requirement to submit to mde in our court, our annual report- and this is.

M

Just to support that chemistry, analysis that has done as part of that program.

D

I'm sorry, you look a little bit different than when we're in the stream is this. Does this have.

D

Anything to do with the samples we took is this, where the samples we took out to so this is a.

M

Little bit different, this is just for chemistry analysis. The samples we took were for biological.

M

The bugs don't appreciate the tie as much as you want. Okay,.

D

Good, that's why I want to find out whether this was what we were in relation to the other day, I'll.

F

Make the most of the boarding fishers award markel laboratories a contract to perform analytical.

F

Analytical testing in the annual amount of thirty one thousand and two dollars. Second, I'm not sure.

A

If I want to support that two dollars, but it's all good any questions or comments, seen hearing.

A

None all in favor all right, okay, thank you and thank you very much for taking me out in the.

D

Field that was quite enjoyable, and I can see how you guys get students involved in programs.

D

Like that and give them an early awareness of the environment was very effective, so thank you.

D

Very much thanks for joining me. I appreciate it. The only complaint is that you brought him back.

F

They had me out in the woods they could have got rid of me.

D

That that's why I made sure commissioner williams didn't go with.

D

A

Option of purchase for the james phillip, werheim jr property through the county program.

Z

Good morning, commissioners, good morning we have.

Z

Two things for you: today we have the james wareheim.

Z

And um we're also going for a final approval of a critical farm.

Z

um So, firstly, um we're looking at the james wareheim property on old hanover.

Z

Road, it's 119 acres. It's actually going to be two easements 70.6 acres and 48.9 acres.

Z

These are located in district, one we'll be retiring, 17 lot rights, the cost will be 690 262.

Z

And 70 and 47 cents, I'm sorry! I didn't change that um so.

Z

That that will equal out to 407 756 dollars on the 70 acre parcel and 282 506 on the 48.9 acre tract.

Z

Here's the two tracks as they sit along old hanover road.

Z

We have a county easement to the north and just to the west of that county. Easement there's a mouth.

Z

Easement- and we also have other applications from this area, so we're building a great preserved area.

Z

Along old hanover road and cherrytown road, here's how they fit with other farms in the area.

Z

Picture along old hanover road at this time we request final approval for the james wareheim.

Z

Property on old hannover road at 707, cherrytown, road, 119.568, acres for a cost of 690 262.47.

B

What are they doing up there right now, crop wise um the neighbors are making.

Z

Hay on the property, that's what it's all hay! Isn't it? Yes? Okay! Yes, sir. Okay.

B

All right: well, it fits in well and it's in a good spot as jp says. So I move. We exercised the option.

B

Of purchasing easement on the james, philip warehome, junior property, 690, 262 and 47 cents.

A

So kind of motion guys, second in discussion, all in favor all right, good job. Thank you, commissioners.

Z

Nice peace uh now we're requesting final approval for critical farms program for timothy hatfield.

Z

This is located on carousel drive, it's 112.9 acres, we're retiring five lot rights. This is in district.

Z

Four, um the appraised value is eight hundred and thirty-five thousand nine hundred dollars.

Z

Purchase price 1.3 million for the critical farms program we pay 52 and a half percent.

Z

Of the appraised value or the or 52 and a half percent of the purchase price, whichever is lower.

Z

And in this case, we're paying based on our appraised value, which will cost.

Z

Four hundred and thirty, eight thousand eight hundred forty seven dollars and fifty cents.

Z

Here's how the property fits in with other properties.

Z

You can see, there's a mouth applicant right below. Mr hatfield is also a mouth applicant.

Z

A picture of the pond below the house: that's beautiful.

Z

It's a really nice place, you could even duck hunt down there. I guess you could.

Z

Here's a picture of some garden area that he has below the house as well.

Z

And some pigs that he has on the farm. So at this time we request um final approval for.

Z

Critical farms, applicant timothy hatfield for 112 acres um at a cost of 438 847.50.

D

I moved at the board of commissioners exercise the option to purchase.

D

Timothy l hatfield through the critical farms program the amount of warrant, thirty.

D

Eight thousand eight hundred forty seven dollars and fifty cents. Second, okay: I got motion couple.

A

Seconds any discussion on this all in favor all right, all right, okay, thank you! So much.

D

Thank you for all the work you put on. There's a lot of leg, work and phone work.

D

And visits that lead up to this, so thank you. Thank you. We appreciate that. Okay.

A

We're gonna go into open admin. First thing: I'd like to do is uh for us to look at the.

A

April, 7th land acquisition, closed minutes or close minutes from april 7th deal with land acquisition.

F

Making motion to approve the minutes of april 7th we're closed. We're closed uh a second.

A

Yeah, okay! Well, that's what happened? Okay, any discussion on this all in favor all right.

A

Okay, does anybody have anything for open I'd, just like to bring up that the wanda you can come on.

F

Commissioners have received a letter from the city of westminster about their water reuse, project for.

F

Our consideration and we will be making decisions on all those projects um in june. I believe, is.

F

That correct all right, just look just let the city westminster know it's been received. It's been read.

F

To consideration um let everyone know, I got a a call from deputy secretary bob finn.

A

You know a partner in crime here in carroll county he's, the deputy secretary.

A

Of our veterans affairs and a very good friend of carroll county um he's asking us to take a look.

A

At a retired, colonel that has recently passed away and dedicate a road.

A

In this, in memory of this colonel, it's a good opportunity for partnership with frederick county.

A

um As jan gardner is also recommending, uh you know a piece of road be.

A

um In his memory uh he's from new windsor and uh he was in world war ii in korean war, so a.

A

Silver star recipient, which means that he was actively engaged in combat. um I have the.

A

Details, um I'm walking it through right now, with uh our chief administer and administrator and.

A

You know we'll get to a point where we want to either sign or not sign, but just want to bring it.

A

To your attention that I appreciated the outreach from the state coming to us saying hey, this is a.

A

Good thing- and it gives us an opportunity in good partnership with frederick county, so does it come.

D

With a recommended route or option? Yes, okay, okay, um is there anything else for open admin.

A

We before going into closed, let's see.

A

Monday april 25th, oh my gosh time just flies walk in the park sandy mountain.

A

Park westminster commissioner boucher, commissioner frazier board of education.

A

Board of county commissioners joint meeting at 4 pm on monday, with all five commissioners.

A

I might not be there: okay um and it'll be at the board of education, boardroom.

A

uh Taste of so this is coming up monday, uh taste of carol. I will be attending at the 1623 brewery.

A

uh Just for everybody's identification, taste of carol is for the hospice life bridge. uh It's not.

A

What they call that now, um bridging life, bridging life, yes and I'll- probably be at that yeah in case.

B

You want to put another one down on that one, but um I may have trouble with four o'clock. So, okay.

A

Oh, that's gonna, be tough that might be tough to hit both those that's that may be tough.

A

um We need to talk about that. We need may need to postpone the four pms if both of us yeah, I'm.

B

Having trouble fit four in my evening's okay, but um I don't know that I'll be able to get there.

B

For that meeting, so I honestly didn't even know it was coming up this quickly again.

B

Has there been an agenda, so I was going to talk to you about that as if I didn't want to interrupt it.

A

While we're on it, we may want to look at postponing this to the first week of may.

A

The two items that the board of education sent to us for agenda items just for your information for.

K

um Fy23 budget updates, I assume they mean their budget updates, not ours, but.

K

They don't really, they didn't really say and then updates on state cip funding.

K

So that's what which neither one of them are going to be time sensitive for a week. So maybe.

A

Thursday may 5th in the afternoon we have uh open session until 12.

A

Right now and then nothing after that, that may be usually they can't do things until late afternoon.

K

Yeah and that's fine, we, you know we can possibly work it that evening, then I will we'll staff will.

A

Reach out and see did not realize it was popping up. Just like you, I'm not sure how I yeah it came.

B

Up all of a sudden- and it just you, know, yeah it did yeah. You got the life bridge event right. Okay,.

A

If you are attending live bridge make sure they know, because they're going to want you in the.

A

Earlier session, so oh okay, okay, all right! So, okay, okay, apologize.

A

Tuesday april 26th, release of the fy 23 proposed budget at 10 am on wednesday.

A

We have a very full day for us, 9 45, the special olympics opening ceremony. Commissioner frazier.

A

And weaver will be attending. I uh I will be joined by commissioner lance in attending.

A

The opening ceremonies of the bureau of aging and disabilities 50th anniversary celebration.

A

And then I think the two of you may be coming over afterwards right and you have scheduled.

F

Right not sure because that's gonna be a full day event um and then uh 5 p.m. Carroll county board of.

A

Education, commissioner frazier, will be attending thursday. We have open session on april 28th.

A

um Proves submit application, acceptance of mainstream vouchers will be from uh oh dealing.

A

With the cares act from uh citizen services, ms eisenberg will be will not be no will not be.

K

We completed that action so we're giving ms eisenberg her time back.

B

Just a question: yeah, I'm sure the list will grow of items that day, but since we're only doing.

K

If it remains only one thing- and we do that in time since it just yeah, we'll definitely move it.

B

Yeah, can we do that on tuesday, instead of bringing us in here on thursday? If that's, that remains only.

K

The one thing I assume you probably have more that just didn't, make it to the list yet right.

K

um Yeah yeah. Sometimes these get printed. You know: yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's fine, but we'll.

K

Make sure that's: okay, yep, okay and then youth of the year award at the boys and girls club.

A

Currently, commissioner fraser and I will be attending at the carroll arts center.

A

On friday april 29th we have nothing scheduled on saturday april 30th.

A

It's a historical tour of downtown sykesville. I will be meeting at the sweet simplicity, tea.

A

In sykesville and I will be joined by my wife for that event, at 12 o'clock, integrative dental.

A

Wellness ribbon cutting. I am scheduled to cut the ribbon and leave my teeth intact. I have the pot no.

A

Do I have the podcast on the first or you have a podcast, no first commercial weaver! You got it now.

A

Okay, I have the podcast on may 1st and the focus is going to be on the may. 15Th.

A

Celebration veterans event may 2nd. We have nothing.

A

Tuesday may 3rd, commissioner, wants will have a chamber of breakfast at the tony towne public.

A

Library- I am, I guess so um single word about it. I signed up for you better, be talking yeah, that's.

D

The only reason I was going to attend, I have no idea yeah, um I haven't heard no one's reached out.

B

To me about these things, starting already, I don't know if I have not heard either yeah yeah. I guess.

K

Soon they just it was on the count, if you're not doing it. Let me know so. I don't have to show up.

D

Okay, I thought you were going to sing so well. Nobody shows just keep it short.

A

Let's find out about the the breakfast and then also if it is put me on there as well um at.

A

Least, it's tentative at this point okay and make sure the commissioners have all the five dates.

K

That are on their calendars. Yeah. The last year I had the first one out of the gate mike told.

B

Me they were going to switch it around and do the other opposite way. Apparently, that's not happening.

B

Well, they don't have them in election year, so they said they were going through this time.

K

That's what I heard I know. I know there was a discussion. I don't remember the answer.

B

Yeah we need to reach out to them on that and uh tentatively, there's uh are you reading ahead.

A

No, no it's not on here but may. The 9th is supposed to be the public safety awards that the chamber.

B

Does- and I've heard nothing about that either yeah and that's going to be here before you know it so.

B

Watch it call mcmullen and see what in the world's going over going on at the chamber. Okay, all right.

A

On tuesday may 3rd he's gone: what's that he's back, he's got to be back peggy.

A

No um on tuesday may 3rd at 7, 00 p.m. The seventh annual drug overdose and prevention.

A

Vigil will be at the portigo uh at st john's up in westminster, and are you not going to that.

A

Already, okay, wednesday may 4th, I will be doing a ribbon cutting at the infinity infinity center.

A

Down eldersburg and just let you know it's a really cool center that deals with child autism.

A

So I'm looking forward to that planning, commissioner, commissioner williams, will.

A

Be attending at 6 00 p.m. That's not virtual! Is it uh yes, oh the evening ones, they're doing yeah.

K

We're trying to keep the only reason they did the in person last time it was a they threw it.

B

In because it was so right that was the baby yeah, so yeah, the wednesday nights are going to remain.

K

Going to try to remain virtual, thank you. We have, on thursday may 5th the sheriff's annual prayer.

A

Breakfast, where we all will be attending at 7 00 a.m. We will have open session, starting at nine.

A

um Mako, oh really uh mike anderson and laura price are coming here. That's the annual! Can you also.

A

I'm so looking forward to that um and then acceptance of the burn justice assistance.

A

Grant award fy 22 grant for buses and bus facilities program in public works. We will.

A

Then go into closed friday, nothing saturday, there's eagle scout court of honors. I have the.

A

um Honor myself of presenting to mr bergamashi in piney, run at 2 pm and commissioner weaver will be.

A

Attending or we'll be doing the podcast, if I may, I have in my counter a fishing derby at robert.

D

Mills park on the seventh: what whose district is that and I'm wondering how I went up on my.

D

Calendar robert mills, mine, I think, isn't it robert mill and tonytown chris yeah. I think it's actually.

K

Karen park, isn't it isn't it a town park? Yes, right, yeah right, it's actually a tiny town right.

G

Yeah I haven't heard anything about it. Look if, if you're around, maybe I can join there. If not, I can.

D

Help represent us there all right. If you get any details, please let me know somehow another one up.

D

On my counter with new details, okay, thank you. Okay, wanda did I miss anything for no, you got him. Okay,.

A

What I need to do is we now need to go into closed for land acquisition and also closed, and, after.

A

Words for public safety and then adjourn after that. Do you want three separate motions or yeah.

F

I think we should make a motion going to close for line acquisition. Second, okay, all in favor all.

F

Right I'll also make a motion and going to close for public safety after landing land acquisition.

F

Second, all in favor aye aye aye, and make a motion to adjourn. After all this closed sessions.

F

Shocking all in favor aye, no yeah, four one wait, wait, wait.

J

Public safety to make that cyber security- I didn't forgot that there was a new uh category.

A

New category, it gives me an opportunity to hit him even more sure, withdraw my motion to go.

F

Into closer public safety and make a motion going to close for cyber security, thank you.

A

And now can we adjourn after that? Well, we didn't get a second on that. Do I go to withdrawals.

A

Yes, so we have a motion to I'm sorry. Did you.

I

Was your motion to go for cyber security? Yes, thank you. We're done.

I