Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 10 Aug 2023

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The show begin good morning: it is uh thursday august 10th. I'm commissioner, ed rothstein.

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um Apologize for the delay, however, uh we are ready to go and, as always,.

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Before we start, why don't we stand for the pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence.

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The united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, we have uh a couple of recognitions during priority carol, but prior to doing that. Why don't.

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We uh go around the dice and see what's on our minds and some of the activities have taken.

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Place uh some very big activities, but amazing how we move through them. But uh why don't we start.

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um Commissioner, gary, why don't you uh kick us off? I'm sure. Thank you good morning, carroll.

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County, I know we're a little pressed for time, but I think it is extremely important.

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To mention I don't, I suspect, the other. My fellow commissioners will mentioned this as well, but.

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On monday, the county was hit by really an historic storm and, in the southern part of.

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The county we were probably lucky, we weren't as untouched, particularly in my district.

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But it's fair to say that I don't think anybody really anticipated the magnitude of it and it.

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Hit during rush hour- and we don't have enough time- and I don't have enough time to mention.

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Everybody and everything that went well and everybody who contributed and everybody who's.

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Still out there working really hard, whether it's the sheriff's office, whether it's our county staff,.

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It's emergency road operations. Dpw I mean I'm going to leave somebody out. If I try to do that.

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But I think it would be important to mention that uh our department of fire and ems.

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And our volunteers that are still running the stations, the chiefs are still volunteers. The.

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Presidents, the boards are still volunteers, they're still out there working hard every single day. They.

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Executed a tremendous response that I just want to make sure people in the county are fully aware of.

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They responded to at least 200 calls after the storm hit on monday.

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And everybody knows watching the news and involved people trapped.

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Propane leaks, fallen, trees, multiple injuries, life-threnching injuries, people were transported.

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To shock trauma, 100 responses for down wires, fallen trees and at least one significant fire.

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All those 14 stations and we do have 14 stations, we're staffed with multiple units and um it.

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Just it just was an extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary response and it's still ongoing.

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And the chief chief robinson, the director of fire and ems, wants me to make sure that everybody's.

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Aware of all the players that were involved and are continue to work hard, whether it's.

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The emergency operations center or director hawkins the emergency communications center.

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His lieutenants and his staff working overtime- you know the the department of fire and ems really is.

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In theory, it's it's really only 61 days old, so for them to turn like they did on monday.

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And uh accomplish what they did again with the stations and the volunteers that are have always.

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Been there for us is just an amazing story, and the story is still unfolding and there's still some.

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Chapters to be to be written, but it was historic and it was bad and our response in the county.

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Was nothing less than extraordinary, and I just wanted to highlight the incredible.

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Work of our stations and our fire and ems in our department of fire and ems personnel.

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Thank you very, very much. It's amazing. We didn't lose anybody, it's true. It's just.

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Absolutely amazing: we didn't lose anybody and that's a testament to all of them.

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And our sheriff's office and everybody else who pitched in and the and this and the in the people.

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Of this county, we got some really smart, common sense people in this county. That's what we're.

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Known for so that combination is a good one. So from uh from everybody in my district and my.

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Family in the county, I want to say thank you for what you did and what you're still doing.

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Very well said tom. Thank you um just kind of echoing commissioner garen's comments.

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I'm not going to mention everyone that he did mention, but incredible uh significant.

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Storm to say the least, as many know, with westminster, specifically on 140, we had 34.

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Vehicles trapped with 47 occupants, amazingly no one was injured or killed in any of that.

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Myself, commissioner kyler and commissioner rothstein monday met with the governor and.

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Lieutenant governor, as well as their staff, they were up here, touring various locations.

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And we met with them for some time a very good meeting. You see pictures on social media and.

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They really don't do it justice of how it just incredible the damage was and uh to commissioner.

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Garen's point the fact that we were all very blessed, be it the public getting together and.

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Working together to try to move tree branches working in you know, bg e, the folks that came.

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In from out of state that are here helping, I know we're constantly hearing about bge, but there are.

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Other people that are here as well, I want to thank them. uh Thank everybody. You know as well as uh you.

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Know westminster city was was heavily involved. There's a lot of issues within westminster with.

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Power being out and some other challenges- and you know the the city council and I were in contact.

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uh You know westminster police department, they're they're uh departments within the city. It was a.

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Collaboration, it's what we do best in carroll county. We work together. uh Obviously, no one.

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Expected this, but I think we have come out as best as we can it's it's very appreciating that uh the.

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Governor and lieutenant governor and their and their staff were up here and interacting with us.

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And I think we'll see some some good things come out of that as well. um I was just you know all.

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My colleagues and I were in constant contact that evening and it was well as staff, and it was just.

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It was a very long night, but it was a good night. I mean we, we were glad nobody was injured so that.

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Was that was sort of the priority without question that day? So if there's any takeaway, I think it's.

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Just the fact that we're very blessed- and uh you know we get things done here, so I'm I'm very glad.

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To see that we were able to get through this and to move forward um a couple other things I will.

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Mention uh somewhat briefly on a few other quick topics. uh Last thursday was the biz challenge.

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Oh by the way uh chris, could you bring that other one back up for a sec, so the bge mobile command.

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Center is over at the uh the mall in westminster, they're there to assist. So if anybody does have.

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Concerns they were there yesterday uh from nine to seven, I believe, they're from nine to seven as.

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Well, today, by all means stop by reach out they're here to assist you in any way they can to try to.

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Get uh power restored and resolved so uh please do reach out to them. I know: there's been a lot of.

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Folks and we've all interacted with people in the community that are, you know still without power.

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And they're working as quickly and as efficiently and as safely as they can to restore that. But.

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You know please try to be as patient as you can. I know it's tough. You know after a couple hours, it.

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Gets brutal but they are working around the clock to get this done for us and for the community. So I.

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Just want to thank them, and as well as the folks from outer state that are here, assisting as well.

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um Last thursday was the biz challenge, as always a great event.

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uh Incredibly, tough, I'm glad I'm not one of the uh individuals that has to pick who those finalists.

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Are I will say that I almost was debating whether there was going to be a sweep of all three.

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Prizes at one point after everybody had given their pitch, but uh the winner was a uh 17 year old.

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Student from westminster, high school derek day and his teacher emily burns who worked at westminster.

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High school and it's a uh it's, a product called they're, calling it l-dots an acronym.

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Means long-distance object, tracker and what it's doing is it's utilizing artificial intelligence.

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To verbally identify objects in the camera's view, so for people that have are impaired with.

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Vision, this is something that could, you know, be an absolute game. Changer and uh you know I'm not.

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Somebody that usually uses words like this very easily, uh but it was incredible. I was blown away.

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um Without question, I think this young man's going to something huge um I'll go so far as say.

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He might be our next bill gates, I don't know, but uh invest now, maybe, but I do think at some point.

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If, if it's possible- but I haven't mentioned this to my colleagues- I would love to have him in just.

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To present, because I think you know one weekend- it's always great- that we bring in the you know.

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People in the community we get to share some of these amazing talents and gifts that they have.

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um It was a great event also uh this past weekend. I think chris has a picture from.

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The uh the veterans event we were in attendance at with babylon it's so we were at the babylon.

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Vault race across america, mobile education exhibit that was myself. Commissioner rosting.

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Commissioner, vigliotti uh have to give credit to angelica da vinci for the photo she's there in the.

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Very patriotic dress- and this was us in the line as they were doing, the pinning for the vietnam.

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Veterans welcome home pinning they received a number of different objects. Our items, be it.

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Challenge coins certificates, it's very moving to get to interact with many of these veterans that.

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And and many unfortunate cases didn't get that appreciation when they came back from vietnam.

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It's always humbling to be involved with anything with any veterans, but I thought with that group.

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That day, given the way some of that had played out in the past, I thought that was just a very special.

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Moment- and it was nice to be with my colleagues at that- and just real quick since you have the.

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Picture up this gentleman in the tan um is a submariner from world war ii, uh who is also there.

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um Very there we had, I believe, two world war ii veterans uh and I swear I feel like this- was.

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A month ago, not just a few days ago, but sorry I just want to one gentleman- was 99 years old. That.

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Was mr price? Yes, he was the summer right there, absolutely incredible! No, no and then uh obviously.

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We have uh carroll county restaurant week, so uh you know look online, get out uh support your.

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Local small businesses always an opportunity and good thing to do um another thing we have coming.

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Up or actually right now we have the best of carol uh voting via the carroll county times.

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That's another good opportunity to support local and recognize them. You can vote for a wide array.

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Of who the uh choice awards are for that um also, we have maryland tax-free shopping so good time to.

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Get out buy things for school and other things as well and take opportunity that and last, but I will.

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Mention this, it was very interesting. I learned very recently that oh westminster winery was.

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Named by baltimore magazine as the 2023 baltimore best winner and awarded editor's choice for top.

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Foodie field trip, so I think anytime we can uh be seen in other regions and especially baltimore.

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Magazine I happen to know the gentleman that owns that magazine personally, but it's great to see.

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Carroll county on the map in baltimore magazine, so congratulations to uh oh westminster on that.

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And, uh like you said, I think we've had about a month in less than a few days. But uh thank you and.

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Honestly, that's the way I feel, but no thank you, um commissioner. Kyler kenny, thank you and, and yes and.

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I'll touch on the storm also, but uh I think we talked in the office yesterday. It seems like.

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Monday was about two weeks ago or something it's it's uh and it's awesome the way it was handled.

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But I'll get to that, I want to briefly mention the fair again. I mentioned the cake, auction cake, sale.

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Last last thursday, but the livestock auction was friday and it's just great to see all.

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The families there all the volunteers, all the people, working all the ag community and business.

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Community uh bidding up uh hogs and steers and lambs and goats and and I forget a gallon of.

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Milk went for a lot of money and a couple eggs, a chicken, a turkey. It's just amazing and uh if.

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If you didn't get there this year, try to go there next year, it'll be well well worth it.

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um I know the virtual hall of fame meeting the day after the storm. It was interesting because some.

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Of the committee members were sitting in their car trying to do the meeting because they had no power.

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Internet in their house, but um I just wanted to mention that another carroll county in what.

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Kind of carroll county and is being inducted on november 5th in annapolis, michael duffy, who's, ccps.

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Will be inducted into the hall of fame and what happens? There's a a meal in annapolis.

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And an induction there, but simultaneously in stillwater oklahoma, he will be honored and.

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And his stuff displayed there and I think it's awesome- it's been a number of carroll county and.

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Get in that and uh we have a strong wrestling condition tradition and uh it's it's just great.

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um Back to the storm quickly, um two things I want to mention, and uh and yes uh the bge you.

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Know they've been awesome, uh our carroll county crews have been awesome and uh we.

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Talked about it a little bit with the governor. um One of the concerns is, and.

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I know some people still have trees in the way some people still don't have electrical service.

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These people are working hard, but for probably weeks after we all have our service they're still.

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Going to be cleaning up branches and trees and and poles and whatever so they're not done and.

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It's uh I'm sure they're more than willing to do it all. But it's uh it's a long period.

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Of time- and we got to make sure they don't get too burned out doing it and.

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The public is uh very patient as the storm hits and and going on, but.

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Recognize what these people were doing long after we have service and and we're back going.

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um In hampstead and many of us heard about, we were so blessed that there weren't.

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A bunch of serious injuries- and I didn't realize this was in hampstead, but um one lady almost lost.

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Her arm and almost lost her life, and I won't have all the facts straight to the thought. But I think.

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It was an off-duty policeman that chainsawed the branch, so he could get her to hampstead fire hall.

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um Amanda, the one that lost their house a couple weeks back was one of the ones.

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That came up from up ago, and essentially the off-duty policeman chief robinson, I think, was.

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There at hampstead, and they used um some of the resources that they've just acquired in.

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The last month, or so to to help blood clot and probably kept her from losing an arm and.

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As importantly, probably kept her from totally bleeding out so again, that's just one example.

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Of what so many people in carroll county have done and we were blessed, we didn't have.

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Accidents and injuries- worse than that, when you see some of the photos of.

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Of trees and poles and cars, you just wonder how people survived and not to make light of it.

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I cannot imagine we talked about it at home, mom and dad and three teenagers trapped in a.

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Car for three or four hours while sparks and water are dawn and rhonda corrected me, but I.

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Said I think, after about two and a half hours, I might have told one of the kids to jump out and.

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Just see how it works, it's that's a long time to sit there. The lowest enlisted get out there.

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Yeah yeah and more power to them um hampstead carnival um monday night. They had their damage.

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Too they fixed it, they were open tuesday. Hopefully we're gonna see some decent weather. Please come.

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Out and support them, we walked the grounds last night and uh it's always plenty of good food and.

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The local lions club, the local fire company, many local groups- are there selling chances so get out.

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And support them, but that's what it looked like monday night and uh and I can't believe it, those.

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If you see some of those blocks that were holding down the corner of the tents, I think they weigh a.

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Couple hundred pounds and they were literally lifted off the ground and moved by the storm.

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And then, lastly, I want to thank my neighbors. I have no photos, there's one of the blocks being.

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Put back, I want to thank my neighbors rhonda and I decided about an hour after the storm to go into.

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Manchester she was worried about a niece and it's one of the businesses and we got about a third.

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Of a mile and we saw trees down, but we also saw two pickup trucks, two guys with chainsaws about.

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Maybe eight other guys, adults and young adults. I I want to call them teenagers, but I think that's.

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More a function of my age than theirs, they were probably in their 20s and so rhonda followed us.

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With four-way flashers and we cleared shulk road number one to water, tank road and then.

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Another neighbor showed up with a bobcat because uh we had a couple: driveways, probably blocked and.

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He pushed the big trees out of there and then, as we went on to manchester, to check on family.

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um They started working on young roads, so I apologize. I have no pictures, I'm not going.

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To do a list of names but and I'm sure we weren't the only road in carroll county.

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That um neighbors jumped out and opened roads. We had two cars trapped between two set of trees,.

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And then about a dozen cars, while we were cleaning lining up and and needing to get through and.

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They all got through and I I think I told a couple of people in public works. We opened the roads, but.

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There's a lot of stuff, I caught myself, there's a lot of stuff to clean up and we didn't do any.

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Of that- and I only saw one tree on a line- and we stayed away from that one. But we we opened.

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The road in that spot, but we we didn't, think we should be bg e and get into that. But it's just.

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Amazing how people come out and like I say we didn't even talk much it just everybody.

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Was working and uh it's amazing and uh that's why I love carroll county. Thank you absolutely.

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Commissioner vigliotti yeah, what's on your mind, thank you very much, commissioner. Rossin. uh Like.

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Everybody else I'll touch you on the storm in a moment, but first I want to begin by saying that.

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I was grateful to attend a yesterday evening's board of education meeting a superintendent.

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Dr mccabe board members herbert battaglius of igne, dorsey and whistler, as well as the school.

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System and teachers are all set for the coming school year. They're dedicated they're, ready to.

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Go they're good people and they're gracious and grateful for the ongoing, close and cooperative.

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Relationship and communication between both of our respective boards and they're, looking forward to.

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Our next joint meeting at the end of this month, as I know that we are and of note they are down to 22.

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Classroom teacher vacancies over the weekend, along with commissioner rossi and commissioner gordon.

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I was thrilled to be able to participate in a welcome home pinning ceremony for vietnam veterans.

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Eddie reits across america exhibit hosted by the fantastic babylon vault company in new windsor.

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There were two world war veterans there, as has been mentioned, both of them in their 90s, who.

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Were on hand to offer respect to heroes who served during a time in american history when.

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Our men and women in uniform were not treated with respect and the decency that they deserved.

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I was also grateful after that to see uh I'm sorry. I was also grateful at the event to see.

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Both austin mayors of new windsor, neil rupp and mayor christopher miller of tontitown, as well as.

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Delegate eric boucher we're all certainly happy or happy as well to see the phenomenal angelica.

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Prestia, who is the young woman in the dress there she's a resident of new windsor, who devotes her.

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Free time to caring for the war, memorial and parks in new windsor, as well as supporting our.

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Veterans, law enforcement and first responders, however, she can, and so I want to say thank you.

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To her for providing the photographs that you're seeing now uh later on, after this event, I had the.

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Opportunity to attend the 19th anniversary of the tawny town history museum, which showcases.

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And preserves not only tawny, town's history, but the history of amazing surrounding communities.

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Such as detour and kimar, I was thrilled obviously to see mayor miller there, as well as tawny town.

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Councilman, jim mccarron, as well as members of the tontitown heritage and museum association.

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Now, uh turning to uh the storm everybody remembers, last week we celebrated national night out the.

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Citizens of our county turned out enforced to support our law enforcement of the local county.

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And state level corrections our first responders and with the storms that battered the county on.

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Monday evening, all of them came out to support the rest of us. You know I want to thank our sheriff.

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And his deputies law enforcement at every level, our first responders, our firefighters, our emts.

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Volunteers and professionals, emergency management, county employees, road crews, power company, crews,.

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And our citizens, all of them who have been working tirelessly to help see the county through the.

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Aftermath of this storm, you know I really do pray that god blesses them all in their work, and I.

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Thank god that things were not any worse than they ended up. I also want to ask everybody to keep in.

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Their prayers anyone who's been affected by the storms. You know many of our friends and neighbors.

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Who have been impacted are going to need, help and assistance, and so please reach out to them. Please.

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Reach out to churches, community groups, volunteer organizations and others to see how you might be.

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Able to help- and I also want to say thank you to the carol observer-informed carol and other online.

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uh News outlets for helping to convey news and information about the storm as it was happening.

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And last but not least, as everybody knows, the board of commissioners agreed to postpone the.

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Grand opening events or charles carroll community center due to the storm, the ribbon, cutting and.

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Open house are going to be this saturday august 12th, beginning at 9 a.m and ending.

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At noon, everybody is welcome to attend and we hope to see you there. The address is 3719 littlestown.

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Pike in westminster, maryland and that's up in the silver run union mills area and commissioner rossi.

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That's all for me this morning. Thank you, okay. I appreciate it. um Excuse me sheriff. I see you.

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In the back, if you want to come up to the table, I am going to talk a little bit about the storm.

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If you have any comments, um when uh we started getting hit very hard with the storm, the sheriff.

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I felt immediately reached out to myself and my colleagues up here at the diocese sharing what was.

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Happening and I truly appreciate that and you were giving us a play-by-play, you know uh situation.

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As you were seeing it on the ground- and you know I did- there- were really three c's to this.

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The collaboration communication and the calmness and um the collaboration that you had with state.

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Police with the local jurisdictions, especially with westminster uh police, you are sharing with us.

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um What was happening, um the communication doing just that, but.

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Like commissioner garen said the calmness that we were able to maintain, we being you.

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And your colleagues for all those that were in those vehicles trapped for four plus hours.

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um Was just it's incredible and I'm gonna get a little bit more into a little bit more of that, but.

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What are your thoughts and we talked that and I I texted in the public- I I guess knows this or not.

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But when there's incidents that take place that affect all five commissioners, I usually text all.

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Five of them at the same time- and obviously this is one of those things to keep you up to date or.

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If there's something that's happening in your geographic area, I go back and forth with you to.

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Keep you up to date on those things, and this was um an unusual storm. I've seen so many things. I've.

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Lived in carroll county for 50 years, I've never seen anything quite like this. I think what was.

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Remarkable about that particular incident is that I know kenny you would have thrown one of your.

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Kids out or told them to get out, I probably would have too, but nobody got out of their cars and.

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um It would have likely instantly been tragic had they done that and then the the ability for us to.

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Go back and forth and and communicate with them and the state, police and bge and everybody that.

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Collaborated rather quickly to um to get the word out was remarkable because everybody stayed calm.

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There wasn't a whole lot of of chaos and you would think the way it looked. There would be nothing but.

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Extreme chaos and so painstaking, really working through that and coordinating with the state.

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Police, you know I'm a retired captain with the state police, so it was easy for me to communicate.

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With those folks and then ironically, one of the governor's deputy chiefs of staff as a retired.

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Lieutenant with the state police a gentleman that I'd worked with for years, so we're able.

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To communicate and and I reached out to you guys and let you know that he was coming up and then.

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He diverted and- and we went back and forth on that and then um and then the next day and then getting.

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People around and the one of the remarkable things about carroll county is that um we need.

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140 there's no two ways about it, but people know how to use the roads without hitting 140 and and.

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They can get around without without using 140, and it's important that we were on those back.

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Roads and on those roads that uh that we're going to see an abundance of traffic so that we could.

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Keep a close eye and make sure that there were no incidences, and so we did and everything I think.

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Was as seamless as as you could possibly make it with communication with with my office state.

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Police first responders, chief robinson and then and then the five commissioners and um yeah. I I.

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Told you guys, I think, in a text that it's there's nothing like it. I don't I've as a state trooper.

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I've worked in every single county in this state. I don't know anyone that has the relationship that.

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That that we have with one another um going back and forth and if there's people out there that.

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Don't have power, I promise you. When I get power you will get power. I will be the last person in.

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This county- I know this because I have been for 23 years- I'm in that deep run, grand valley, band hall.

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Hill area- and I would give a shout out to those people that, but they can't see me because we don't.

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Have power right now, but uh but but we understand that and we're just grateful that that everybody's.

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Okay and that will get our power sometime soon, so, if you're, if you're upset about the power, I.

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I'm I'm trying to make arrangements myself to to figure it out, so so don't be too upset. It's coming.

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Could you comment briefly on our businesses, I think again, because we're carroll county.

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um I think there was very little vandalism very little theft, but I think your staff's presence.

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There probably made a difference with that. That was the one of the first things we thought about.

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After the vehicles were were uh unoccupied and people were safe was that we knew that there was a.

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Large swath of businesses along 140, big box stores, hoseline deep home depot. We knew that there could.

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Be a potential problem if we didn't keep an eye on those establishments so between my office and.

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The state, police and, and and- and I I'd tell folks I want this to be done and they they do it, and so.

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um I've got a wonderful staff of people and between us. We came up with a plan to make.

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Sure that we kept an eye on every one of those establishments, I did get calls from a number of.

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Those establishments um thanking us for for being in their parking lot and keeping close.

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Track of their stores, listen, it um I'd like to think nobody's going to seize the opportunity.

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But the reality is that there will be. There will be people that seize that opportunity and I think.

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I said quite clearly that um my jail had electric and there was room in it. If you decided, you were.

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Going to come up or come into westminster and do something stupid and we would we would snag. You.

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Up and put you in it and we had accommodating yeah, we were very accommodating. uh Thank you.

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For the big generator that you guys paid for, um but but we had none of that absolutely none of.

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That and it and it, and it is remarkable and that's a testament to the community, that we.

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Live in and absolutely yeah that's, but it's always a fear and a worry that that there.

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Will be vandalism or there will be thefts, but there was none of that. You know again the.

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um The collaboration I mean was just unbelievable and um really the the.

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The community working together, you know again, I don't like using words constituents.

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About neighbors family friends, community um there was 120 county roads that were blocked.

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uh Either by trees and or power lines, county roads or dbw is still out there. I think we only.

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Have half dozen eight roads left um we're down to five um and they're, coordinating with bg 120 roads.

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um You know half dozen to eight state highways that people had to be diverted, uh so I mean.

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It's funny you say that so mrs dewees got stuck on bixler church road. She left the courthouse at 4, 30.

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And she got stuck between two locations. Trees had gone down behind her and in front of her, and there.

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Was a new house on bixler church and I I I should get their names. I just texted her to ask them, but.

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There was a couple that are howard county school teachers that just built the house on bixler.

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Church that saw my wife sitting on the road stuck and the the gentleman literally came out and waved.

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Her down the driveway because he knew something was wrong and they brought her into the house.

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For a couple of hours didn't know anybody from adam, they had just moved up here and wanted to.

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Make and they quickly became a part of the family because they they protected her. They went into.

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The basement and that's what it is: it's community we were able to rescue her later. I thought about.

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Letting her stay there for a while, but I I I went out and got her so but that family that's there. If.

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They're good enough, maybe they want to be carroll county uh public schools. You know we'll maybe work.

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On that as well, but god bless them, that's what you expect when you, when you ride around this county.

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That's uh you know, and um commissioner gordon and I met with you uh that night.

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um With the expectation that the governor in the administration was going to be out there, we get to.

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Her site, he, um like you said, was diverted, came out the next morning and I wasn't sure what to.

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Expect, except that he was going to be coming out and want to see the site. And commissioner kyler.

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Corey and I were out there, you know obviously with you and all others, but it wasn't just him. It was.

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The governor, the lieutenant governor secretary, wiedefeld mdot, the head of emergency management.

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Services was also out there. The superintendent of the state police who lives colonel was there.

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um It was, and it wasn't a dog and pony show it wasn't photo operation. You know opportunities.

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It was the ability to bring resources, there may have been a dog, but no pony.

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But but I agree yeah, but it was, it was the ability to bring resources to the site and.

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You know uh we we and also the ceo of bg e h. There was 88 000 power outages in the state, 56.

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000 of them were in carroll county. I think we're down to close now to five six thousand.

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um And you're right, the north is going to be the last. um It's like that last tactical mile, but 56.

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000 there was 120 rows, as I mentioned, there was 400 plus 911 calls in an hour.

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Typically, there's what 15 or 20 at most 400 plus, so every chair was occupied uh under valerie.

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Hawkins, uh you know leadership and, and if you listen to them on the radio you guys are in the.

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Car with me for a while, if you listen to those folks on the radio, I don't know how they stay as.

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Calm as they do, but but there's got to be 8 000 things going on at one time, but but we we um you.

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You talk about the calmness we, they understand, what we're seeing and their voice somewhat calms.

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Us down, and and so so we rely on on a convoys on the other end when we're we're yelling on.

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The radio that they stay calm and so they're remarkable they are, and, uh commissioner gary.

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And charity was 200 a little over 200. Will fire ems uh calls out of that 400 plus I mean it's just.

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The the magnitude of this- and you know so it was a county issue. It's a state issue and.

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um We uh that evening was asked to uh speak to fox and just to put things in perspective, so I said.

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Okay, we'll speak to fox and um fox news. They asked us questions. We prepared the questions and answers.

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And then, as we're preparing we're doing a sound check and the gentleman uh doing.

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The sound check goes, oh my gosh. This is, you know crazy. You know. Where is this? What do.

B

You mean, where is it's westminster maryland? This was fox national, it was fox weather and.

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um I had no clue, and we we really none of us in the room had to include this- was fox national.

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And it's been replayed on fox weather, national um and really what uh like the governor shared.

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What we did is um what all communities should be doing in a crisis like this.

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um And uh it was a testament and I think, he's going to be sharing that to a lot of folks. But.

B

That's what you know this was all about, and the last thing I want to share is as most.

B

Of you know, I'm not the biggest fan of social media and uh as social media can twist things.

B

And editorialize things and make them sound like they're facts, social media was absolutely used.

B

In the best manner, during this crisis, there was hundreds of shares on road closures. There was stay.

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Off of this road go to this road, I was sharing. I shared actually a site that I typically wouldn't.

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Be sharing because it was the information that was necessary to get out to the community. I asked that.

B

Social media continued to do that as we're going through the recovery phase of all of this. But.

B

There is a a good use of social media and I really do praise those that worked hard in getting the.

B

Messages out, you were going to say something yeah just um I appreciate the support, but but the the.

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Deputies that work for me yeah, the commanders all of my commanders were out. um I didn't hear a peep.

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From the jail but but they all made their way in and continued to do their jobs and typically, if.

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You don't hear a peep out of the jail, that's a good thing. um So, just overall, I praise my staff.

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And the folks that are that are out there doing it, so I appreciate it absolutely.

B

Taking a lot of time talking about this, but I think it was a quality time worth selling.

H

One more thing: um one of the things I shared with state level, people and other people that asked me.

H

um This is carroll county, and this is how people work together every day in.

H

Some counties people would have been, who are you or whatever we all work together.

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Without an emergency- and that makes it so smooth when it is one it's it's amazing and.

H

You know, I think I commented on the thread that people that my my buddies, that were commanders.

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With state police asked me, if I'm are you guys like? Do you guys hang out all the time, because.

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Of how well we communicate and get along and they they thought that we had all gone to school.

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Not you kenny, but they thought that maybe ed and tom and I'd gone to school at some point with each.

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Other, but just the way that we communicate with each other and the non-verbal stuff that they.

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They pick up on and, and I'm like nah this is we just there. This out is so they think I went with.

H

Your grandfather right right, wait where's, that my older brother, where does that put me in the.

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List middle school- I think joe, I'm not sure when I was in high school. Okay, let's um I think I'm.

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First on the agenda anyway, not quite yet we got a couple of oh I'll get out of here. Then.

B

I'd like to say, go away, but no, but stay close. What I'd like to do is uh recognize maria come.

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On up and uh why don't you all sit at the table? It's an opportunity uh to recognize.

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In the recognition of 15 years of distinguished service to carroll county government,.

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You exemplify the highest standard of performance and commitment in executing.

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The vast responsibilities in your role in recycle recycling manager since uh august of 2008. as a.

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Recycling manager, your leadership and dedicated positive impact on carroll county and our programs.

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Is evident in many areas, including through growing programs available to the public or excuse me.

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Growing programs- I am going to do this without my glasses, on uh available to the public and.

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Leading education and outreach to residents and businesses, carroll, county's recycling rate.

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Increased from 32 percent in 2008 to 42 percent in uh 2021, increasing recycling program, tons, tons.

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Managed from 178 thousand in 2008 to over 375 000 in 2021 110 increase through the public education.

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Help reduce contamination and residential recyclables from 22 percent to 10 percent.

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Saving the county over ninety thousand dollars per year- that's important to me and my colleagues. We.

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Like to see savings as opposed to expenditures, four-year dedication to carroll county.

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And five boards of carroll county commissioners, this being the most favorite of yours, I'm sure.

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Who wholeheartedly thank you and wish you the very best for your future? You know you've.

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You you've done a lot. You've come in front of us with your education on opportunities.

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Like I said, the outreach you know has been second to none so truly truly appreciate the.

B

Work, you have done and all uh opportunities that head your way in your future endeavors.

B

Gentlemen, did you want to speak first and uh let us or anybody want to say something at this time.

B

Cliff and I both have something to say sure you do [laughter] good, better and different.

J

Good morning, commissioners, and and thank you very much and on behalf of marie and I'm sure.

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She'll say the same: uh 15 years ago, back in 2008 we had a pretty much a fledgling recycling program.

J

And due to some retirements, we have to go looking for a new recycling manager so who could take all.

J

That foundation that was built before strengthen it and grow it significantly, especially with all.

J

The changes that have been coming down from the state over the years among the applicants for.

J

That position was maria and her, who, just retired after 30 years with giant foods heading up their.

J

Recycling and waste programs regionally, so she was dealing with a lot of the same players. Regulators.

J

Businesses came into that interview with a ton of experience and a ton of knowledge, but most of all.

J

A positive can-do attitude and a passion for the recycling industry. So again you mentioned about.

J

The positive impacts that she's had you know since 2008, I'm not going to reiterate those. But again we.

J

Are looked at now, carroll county, as you know, one of the top tier recycling programs in the.

J

State, and that is in no small part due to maria's efforts. A lot of that was behind the scenes. A lot.

J

Of that was in times you know tough financial times when we were asked, you know, cut budgets.

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Cut budgets maria found a way to do a lot of find a lot of no cost and low-cost recycling programs.

J

And that's why we've had you know that program improvement over those 15 years back in 2008 and.

J

I've got to be careful with this because marie- and I are also you know, friends other than co-workers.

J

Back in 2008, I had actually had the pleasure of hiring her in my first time here through the count.

J

And and now I've got the bittersweet honor of you know kicking her to the curb, as as the recycling.

J

Mat as she retires out the door- and you know from on behalf of all of us from dpw, but also me.

J

Personally, thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir, it's been an absolute pleasure to work with maria over the.

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Years maria has such an incredible knowledge, understanding and instinct when it comes to.

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Recycling industry and the recycling markets my favorite saying of maria's- is we can do anything.

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But what are we willing to spend and that's to say just about anything can be recycled.

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But at what cost the citizens of carroll county, she has kept me from being overzealous and kept.

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Me grounded over the years when it comes to the seemingly endless initiatives that can be.

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Undertaken in the recycling world, the county has been in great hands with marie at the home and.

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Maria thank you for all of you done all you've done for carroll county you'll be greatly missed.

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And the county is well positioned in the future. Thanks to your hard work and dedication to your.

D

Position now didn't you say a few years ago, when maria retired, you in and cut the ponytail.

B

Maria, what's on your mind, well, I just want to thank it's. I've always been thankful for having.

K

This position and to be here we've had some ups and downs. I've had seven bureau chiefs in 15 years.

K

I've had these twice. Well, you fixed them once you had to go through. I was glad they came back, but.

K

uh It's always been an honor to be here and be part of this community. So so you know, we've had.

K

Challenges but we've persevered yeah. Thank you all for doing this. Absolutely. Thank you. I I want.

E

To I want to say, congratulations and you will be missed. We actually did get a chance to spend a.

E

Little bit of time together and you're extremely enthusiastic about the program and all this.

E

Initiatives and you kind of schooled me a little bit on recycling coming in as a bit of a skeptic.

E

And then I left being somebody who was a proponent of it, because there is a monetary piece to this. I.

E

Mean we do save ourselves some money in terms of how the alien feels operating when we, when.

E

We sort and recycle so again, congratulations marin really appreciate the opportunity to.

E

Get to know you and everything you accomplished, while you were here so appreciate it. Thank you.

F

Gentlemen, I just want to say thank you. Obviously, you've you've left a mark that someone's gonna.

G

Have to pick up and run with now so we'll have to find someone capable, but uh absolutely thank you.

G

For all your hard work and dedication, it's uh very appreciated by all of us and definitely all the.

G

Folks in the community as well, thank you and and again thank you and you know better than we do, but.

H

Recycling is such a popular term. It is not easy and, like many things, it keeps getting more and.

H

More complicated, so thank you for making it look easy from the outside okay, joe. What four.

B

Or five syllable words you have to share, you mean what four or five multi-syllabic words I have.

C

Well, first of all, congratulations and then thank you very much for the time that you've spent.

C

With the county uh you know, like commissioner garrett and I uh I've had certain skepticisms.

C

About recycling in the past, because I wasn't quite sure about its cost effectiveness or how effective.

C

It actually was just as a process in and of itself, but but you know through your tenure and then over.

C

The the past couple of years, having come from the municipal municipal side of things as we've as the.

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Municipalities have also engaged in the recycling program. uh You know I've learned a lot and I'm.

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Like commissioner garrett, I'm a proponent of it as well, and I could not imagine having learned what.

C

I did or come to appreciate the way that I did had you not been in the position that you are so thank.

C

You very much for that, and god bless you in all of your future endeavors. So, what's on your mind,.

K

Retired for five years, I'm gonna probably take some of his space.

K

Up so uh deservingly yeah and uh just going to uh move forward and.

K

Just see, what's else is new out there and relax a little bit yeah, but I'll keep an eye on you.

K

Folks sounds like a plan: let's get a uh photo, a little memento and get you on your way. Thank you.

K

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Okay: uh let's talk about the media center; yes,.

E

We got folks from okay, excellent.

E

So the uh I got the honor of reading a certificate of recognition.

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For the community media center, but I just wanted to mention the community media center has a an.

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Interesting distinction because you, every single person running for county office comes through.

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Your center, so you get a good look at us before anybody else and my experience with you last.

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Summer summer, before last, not this one a year ago was you've got amazing staff. It was my first time.

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Ever going through that process- and I think a lot of us are in the same boat and we didn't.

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I didn't make too much of a fool of myself in front of your staff and we had plenty of.

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Outtakes and read it over, but I just think it's an interesting distinction that your center is very.

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Much involved in in how this county is operating in terms of the election, so I've got the honor.

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Of reading the certificate of recognition, the certificate is awarded to the community media.

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Center, the certificate is presented to the community media center, otherwise known as cmc.

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In recognition of their national award from the alliance for community media.

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The community and media center received a hometown media award in the virtual event category for.

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Their production of the 33rd annual outstanding teachers awards community media center's.

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Innovations, innovative use of digital technologies helps to inform, engage and connect our communities.

E

Every day and we are honored to recognize your center, so congratulations, sir. Thank you.

M

M

Okay, I just want to add that this was a collaboration, while the community media center.

N

Is named specifically, um you know the uh this is a recognition of a partnership. Unfortunately, mike.

N

Mcmullen had to leave before uh we got to this point in the agenda, uh but uh the chamber is.

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The key component here that brought together the partnership between the schools and that's why.

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Superintendent mccabe is here as well, uh because the award recognizes the community media center.

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It's a 2022 outstanding teacher awards, virtual events, access center, professional and it's the.

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Community media center of carroll, county carroll, county chamber of commerce and carroll county.

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Public schools: this was a highly competitive award. The nominees were from across the country at a.

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Time in which virtual events during the pandemic were significant, and I am so honored to have been.

N

Recognized by our peers, but more importantly, I think it's a recognition, as you have mentioned,.

N

Previously of the partnerships that do exist in carroll county and how important it is to.

N

Get the word out about what happens in carroll county, and we did that, as uh as it was great.

N

To be able to be in brooklyn when we received the act award and you'll get a little bit of a.

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Clip if you go to that uh that video clip that's on the handout that just went there, okay, so.

N

Superintendent mccabe, if you want, I don't know if you want to add anything in terms of the.

N

The honor and the distinction I'll just say that I just want to thank uh the chamber and the cmc.

O

For offering uh offering this opportunity to us storing um during the pandemic, you know it was a.

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Very rough time for carroll, county public schools and for all public schools during the pandemic and.

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um I think it it was. It was something that we could do to increase morale of our staff during a.

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Very very difficult time, and so it was definitely much needed and much appreciated. So thank you.

F

Absolutely any thoughts from up here and just congratulations on the award, but also on the.

C

Services that you provide to the community, I know commissioner garena talked about how.

C

uh You know going through the elections. All of us come through the media center, but so do municipal.

C

Elected officials so do so do sports activities and other events and and festivities and affairs.

C

Throughout the course of the uh throughout the course of the year, you really are an integral.

C

Part of this community- and I really do thank you for what you do and for being a part of that.

C

Being willing to be a part of the community, and so god bless you and thank you for that.

C

And I'll just I'll, just echo that and obviously congratulations. I did mention that. I think it.

G

Was last thursday, which might have been a month ago now, I'm not sure, but um uh besides obviously.

G

Interacting with elections and so forth, you you know and the various other events be it. The.

G

The chamber, sports and so forth. You also have a good educational component. I know personally some.

G

I don't know, maybe five years ago I was in with the boys and girls club when they were there to.

G

Learn about what you do and get to play with the green screens and- and I think it's just it's- it's.

G

Noteworthy to mention that not only do you do a lot production, wise and service wise in the.

G

Community but there's a huge education component and I think, given all the rich history and stories.

G

In carroll county, it's always appreciated how you find a way to pull all that together.

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And save that for not only but for us but for future generations like you do I appreciate that.

B

Yeah, I like the innovation. I like the continued growth and the what-if ideas. You know.

B

um I mean honestly, that's, I think, how you started the uh the sports piece of this. It's like what, if.

B

You know people want to see this, you know, and you know they can't get to some place, so they.

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Have it available and then they know it's being televised they get to. You know uh record it and.

B

Have it in perpetuity or for, however long they'd like and um that's fun, you know to.

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Kind of just continue to say the the: what if and can we do this do we have the resources.

B

um You know what does the community want? That's you know pretty cool and you've been the leading.

B

Edge of that you know listening learning and leading uh the um the cmc you know for the.

B

Community support, so that's my thoughts. Thank you and congratulations on an awesome national.

H

Award but again, I think uh one of the reasons something like this happens is how your entities.

H

Work together on you know all year, not just for this, but thank you for doing this. Thank you. Yeah.

N

A number of the events were mentioned this morning are ones that we've been involved with uh and want.

N

To cover, we take the community part of our name very seriously yes, uh and want to make sure that.

N

It's reflected in the uh sometimes news desert or media desert or distortions that happen in social.

N

Media uh that we can get the accurate word out, um it's a good representation of what goes on in our.

N

Community, I just want to add a little personal note. I know the events of monday certainly dwarf.

N

Feels like a dwarfs this recognition to a degree of the outstanding efforts that occurred. I happen.

N

To be in the first queue on the left-hand turn on 140 onto malcolm when the polls came down, and I.

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Wanted to add the calm voice in the end of 9-1-1, when we called and the emergency operators that I.

N

Could imagine that they had to deal with as well, and so I think, all the county for their services.

N

Including maintaining our emergency services that our communications could continue during the power.

N

Outage so no thank you for that personal testament and that's going to be shared so.

B

Important okay: why don't we uh get a still photo of this and uh for a memento.

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N

Thank you very much.

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C

Oh yeah, I won't get out the front door if I don't give him that right. Thank.

N

You, commissioner, thank you. Thank you. Okay, yes,.

B

So the next 15 minutes we're going to go through 15 items. Now I'm kidding.

B

Good morning, gentlemen, good morning morning, nice chris.

Q

Good morning, commissioners, chris, do you think you could pull the powerpoint up for me powerpoint? Yes,.

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Pretty basic, if tim, did it.

Q

In the meantime, this was an initiative of commissioner gordon uh after conversations.

Q

With the sheriff and state's attorney's office, it became apparent that there are.

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A couple of institutions in the county and a couple of residences, maybe where.

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uh That are constantly calling for law enforcement assistance to uh situations.

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Involving nuisance activity, and that involves dispatching a police officer to the institution.

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Or the residence making reports doing some investigations and constituting a drain on.

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The police resources all at the expense of two or three four or five properties in the county.

Q

uh Next slide, please is that red phone, the kremlin hotline? What is that tim? That's.

R

Tim's actual phone, I asked my staff to uh it's a bat phone at wayne. Man.

Q

So what do we? What are we looking for? uh Looking at? The number of the calls is pretty remarkable.

Q

And I you a gentleman can chime in whenever you like, um for example, in the eldersburg area,.

Q

uh Eldersburg, police district: you have two stores uh which generated 54 percent of the.

Q

Police calls within a within a calendar year. That's two two establishments and next slide.

Q

What results in these calls.

Q

Sorry, what is that picture? I can't see it's a line of police cars.

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um I think it's removably, that's you in the front what your vehicle and we're all following you so.

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Slowly, you drive yeah, it's like a funeral procession. So what are we.

Q

Hoping to accomplish here, no I'm good! Thank you. Yes, what are we hoping to accomplish here.

Q

Several counties, several municipalities, several um boroughs, duchies all throughout the country.

Q

Have adopted ordinances which penalize establishments certain establishments.

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Where certain residences for excessive use of police calls um keep going one more slide.

Q

This picture, for example, was taken at chris swam's apartment by the sheriff last night.

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What sort of activity are we trying to uh what sort of activity results in one of these police.

Q

Calls well, it's usually theft, um prostitution, drug use, noise, drug activity, uh public disorder,.

Q

Other kinds of bad behavior- and this is the sort of nuisance activity that results in these calls.

Q

To the property owner next slide, please! So what are we hoping to accomplish here- and this is where.

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You, you, gentlemen, can chime in we're trying to get businesses to to clean up their act. If you will.

Q

And adopt some reasonable security measures to prevent this nuisance activity occurring on their.

Q

Premises because as it stands now, it appears we're just serving as almost like a security.

Q

Service for for a couple of establishments at the taxpayers, expense, and I would add that these.

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Nuisance activities are rarely prosecuted the the property owners rarely press charges on these so.

Q

It really involves just a visit by the by the law enforcement officers and and a report is made used.

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By the property owner for whatever purpose- and it ends right there is that correct that the.

Q

That that's pretty much pretty much correct! Yes, so without prosecutions, these these things are.

Q

Going to continue and continue and continue and without security, the calls are going to continue.

Q

And we wanted to give the property owners an incentive to, as I said, clean up our act talk to.

Q

The deputies and impose some some reasonable security measures to prevent these nuisance.

Q

Activities and present the the calls in the first place, anybody want to add anything on that.

R

I mean commissioners, we've worked with um businesses and residents, landowners.

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Throughout the the course of of several years to try and abate repeat calls for service some.

R

Have been successful, others have been to no end, so this ordinance will give us um a judicial.

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Authority to go ahead and hold those who don't wish to work with us, accountable in a manner that.

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Kind of supersedes what we're doing right now so.

Q

So how's the process going to work, it's going to be a graduated approach and we're.

Q

Going to start with a warning if your property is a non-residential, that is.

Q

In a commercial institution, a mixed use, you get five five calls and the sheriff's deputy.

Q

Is going to warn you that you're approaching probationary status so with residential and.

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Multi-Family residential you get three calls and multi-family you get six calls and, as I.

Q

Said this is a warning, they're they're, going to warn you that you're halfway there to getting.

Q

Put on probationary status, which is where the rubber meets the road. The next slide. Please.

Q

Once one of the properties hits.

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The actual uh target date for probation, if you're, put on probation probationary status.

Q

And what that means is for a non-resident or mixed use. You get 10 calls. Residents will use.

Q

Five calls and a multi-family use, 12 calls, and all of these are within the calendar year once you hit.

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That number anything above that there's going to be some penalties and any comments on that.

Q

No okay next slide. Please penalties are going to be keep one more slide. Please the penalties that.

Q

Are going to be imposed? Are fines, civil citations issued by the sheriff's deputy and the first fine.

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For exceeding your probationary status is, 500, second will be 750, and the third offense would.

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Be a thousand dollar citation and those can be appealed to the to the district court of maryland.

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uh There's going to be some mandatory exemptions under our ordinance in other.

Q

Words that won't count towards the probation uh crimes which are in progress that affect.

Q

The public safety, in other words, if they get a call, help we got a theft in progress here.

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That's not going to count uh mental health, uh medical emergencies that would be overdoses.

Q

That sort of thing, domestic violence cases, uh trespass violations and any calls mandated. But.

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Mandated by the federal or state law those would be exempt from uh the ordinance they.

Q

Wouldn't count towards the calls towards probationary status? Does that make sense.

Q

uh Any questions of the of our guests or.

I

So real quickly that there's a spirit of the law and the letter of the law right and and so.

I

Our goal is to have establishments or residences or complexes work with us on.

I

Security and making sure that um we are not constantly responding to these establishments.

I

And they're, indifferent to the fact that we're responding and they just simply don't care.

I

And I've been hard over the years on walmart and everybody knows it and I'm very public about it.

I

But I will tell you that the walmart in eldersburg, the responses that we have there are because they.

I

Are being proactive for the most part they're calling us, because their loss prevention has.

I

Apprehended someone and that that is that's good with me. That means they're being proactive, then.

I

um But there are establishments that simply don't care, like tim said that just simply want us to.

I

Take a report so when tax time hits they can say that they're being proactive and trying to stop.

I

Thefts and write it off um that that's kind of what we're looking for. We want to. We understand.

I

The letter of the law, but the spirit of the law, says work with us and we'll work with you.

I

And as long as that takes place, then then we'll be fine and we threw in the exemptions that you.

I

That you saw because we want people that are in um particular situations that it may take four or.

I

Five calls to us, in a short period of time, to get something done, whether it's a domestic violence.

I

Complaint or or a mental health or overdoses there's, there's residences we go to where.

I

um Houses that have multiple res- you know, residents there that are in in treatment.

I

That may have multiple calls to that establishment, but we understand that.

R

Commissioners, I know you have the ordinance in front of you and you'll see as you read through it.

R

That it really does give our office the autonomy to make the decisions as to whether or not.

R

Somebody's in violation, um we've changed a lot of shells to maize and so you'll see that throughout.

R

um The ordinance, which is a good change to give us the authority as the public safety entity, the law.

R

Enforce entity of the county to have the autonomy to um determine whether or not somebody's willing.

R

To work with us or is just calling us because they want us to come down and take a report. And- and I.

H

Guess we're next headed to a public hearing and but I think the public needs to hear then and now.

H

This is an ordinance to hopefully change behavior, not to raise money not to go out and and serve.

H

Citations it's to change behavior and the hopeful would be it's going to minimize the problems.

S

Commissioner, kyler in places that have enacted these types of ordinance, there's sometimes there's.

S

Not a lot of enforcement, sometimes the just publicizing that it's coming getting out there and.

S

Educating merchants and others is enough, so it's I've got the stick. Don't make me use the stick and.

S

In a lot of jurisdiction, we haven't seen a lot of action on this, but once again, they've gotten.

S

Good response, particularly like your walmart's, but your mom and pop you go out and tell them you're.

S

Going to work with a local business and they're going to respond so and and this is a potential.

H

Tool that you don't have anything similar to now, you don't have anything else that would address.

H

This problem: this is a tool you need correct. Yes, there's no, there's nothing like this in any of the.

S

Municipalities now there are nuisance, but they're back end loaded and it's very cumbersome to enter.

S

Into consent, agreements and the like, and what you can do- and there is a real stick here- not.

S

Just because well a thousand bucks nothing to walmart, maybe they pay it. But if you don't pay.

S

It becomes a lien on the property and I suppose the people that they're leasing space from would.

S

Not be too happy with that might have a word so there's a way. You know to do this so, like I said.

S

um At the very least, it highlights the problem and you'll have these interactions, so in major.

S

Stems 100 right, I mean he's probably the best lawyer in the room, um no offense, but.

S

Who hasn't gone to law school and it? This does give a discretion. So this doesn't handcuff the.

S

Sheriff in any way, it just gives him discretion to do what he another another tool in the toolbox.

B

So um yeah, so today it's either we move forward or not move forward as uh we're.

B

Going to public hearing, um it makes sense that we're going to be moving forward. The.

B

Concern I have is: do we need another tool in the toolbox, I mean how many more tools do we need do.

B

We have the resources available to um use that tool. You know, that's, you know, that's something.

I

We discussed and anytime I bring something online, whether it's school bus cameras, those.

I

Sort of things it requires um resources, it does to keep track of this. We we know.

I

um At my level and all the way down to the to the road deputies, what what locations are are causing.

I

Us the most issue and if there's a an outlier that shows up and and then we concentrate on that one.

I

um So I I don't think that the resources are going to be like it would would be with bus.

I

Patrol with the amount of time we've got to take to do that, it's really um it's really.

I

Understanding the community and what locations are are the problem and if one pops up, then we.

I

We address it and then educating our deputies on how how to get that. That word to folks and and.

I

And research it appropriate, I I just I don't think it's going to be a burden on us. um I.

I

Just don't think it is, and there are mechanisms, there's criminal law that addresses houses when.

I

It comes to drug activity and prostitution mike correct, so so there's there's that in the toolbox.

I

And- and we have addressed that, and and we do it- we do it with our drug units and and asset forfeiture.

I

um But this this whole, uh whether it's a walmart or it's, an establishment like that a business.

I

Or or a mom and pop um we've never had the ability to to have some sanctions on folks.

I

Like that, that that are indifferent to the fact that they've got a lot of problems, they.

I

Just don't want to recognize it and almost are in inviting the problems by not recognizing it.

B

No, I I appreciate I mean for me. I just don't want to one person position where we are over.

B

Governing you know the community and then also at the same time, I want to make sure we're.

B

Putting us ourselves in a position that, whatever ordinances we are put in place, that we have the.

B

Resources uh to enforce- or you know, kind of put the ground game in place and and you're right.

B

um Like down in eldersburg those deputies, they know the hot spots, they know you know, locations.

B

Same thing up in westminster and all the others, and we direct them to keep an eye on those hot.

I

Spots, I mean it's not like. We just wait for it to happen, we're very proactive about that, and.

I

um I I don't see it as a an ordinance that that we would prefer people just work with us and and.

I

Again and walmart's a good example, they do work with us, but a lot of that's predicated on who's.

I

Managing that store at that particular time and if they rotate out and it's someone that doesn't want.

I

To be proactive with right with theft, then then there's an issue and then we've got to step in and.

I

I don't know how many times we've been to uh to the institutions, the establishments that tim talks.

I

About how many times we've been to them saying get better get better and here's how we can help.

I

You it's not just get better, but these are the resources we're willing to put into into helping.

I

You but you've got to help yourself as well. Last. um I guess a question for me. I believe last is.

B

The municipalities are in agreeance with this and.

B

You know the relationship you have with the municipalities is second to none.

B

um I mean is this something that they would be? You know I think they would love for me to be able to.

I

Come in and and hold an establishment accountable if they don't have an ordinance locally, that they.

I

Can do the same so yeah they're always free to adopt their own ordinance if they want to.

S

And if they, some of them, have it so right if they want to, if they want to opt out, they can adopt a.

Q

You know a similar, almost identical ordinance and have their own police do it. But I don't.

B

Think they would, I think this is. They would prefer me to come in yeah sure, yeah, okay, okay,.

C

I'm totally in favor of this I'm in favor of moving it forward to public hearing as well. I.

C

Think it has to do with responsible participation in a community, whether you're, a resident or.

C

Whether you are a business, the only question- uh or I guess further clarification. I know I.

C

Brought up with you gentleman a national night out under on page five under section h, number 10.

C

The response had nothing to do with the property in question other than being on the street in.

C

The area of the property- and I was a little confused with the wording of that and I was.

C

Wondering if we might get that on purpose yeah I mean, if you're confused about wording, then.

S

Like I said, this is one of those I give you an example like you're in front of an establishment.

S

And you get pickpocketed and you make the call and has nothing you just happen to be on the street in.

S

Front of the establen: it's not fair to charge because it had no nexus to the establishment.

S

Right so as if, if the person who pickpocketed was staying in a boarding house and they had.

S

These kind of, like rent by the hour, maybe be their nexus to the establishment. It's not a good.

I

Example, commissioner, would be that he talks about the boarding house or or establishment you're.

I

Parked there and somebody comes along and starts tugging on doors and they steal out of a out of.

I

Cars that are sitting at at your establishment and had nothing to do with the fact that of the.

I

Establishment, it just happened to be on that property where it took place and that's just.

I

A discretionary thing that we would look at when we start looking at these calls, and it wouldn't.

I

Be a blanket thing where we go to our cad system and go oh. We were here five times this month. Let's.

I

Go out and start right right, that's not what this is about by no means right and that that was not.

C

The I promise that was not the intent of the the question I just wanted to see if we could find a.

C

Way, maybe to clarify that language a little bit, because if I'm, you know, if I'm a common citizen.

C

Or a common business owner and I'm looking at that and I'm a little confused by it I mean, would it.

C

Be possible instead of saying it the way that it is do we say the response had nothing to do with.

C

The property in question other than the response being on the street in the area of the property.

C

Is that is that too much or is that? Is that legally acceptable? Yes, we can do.

Q

That, okay, everybody! Okay with adding that you can direct him to do that.

E

Well, I I wanna I wanna thank mr stewart major stem and sheriff luis. I'm sure you had something to do.

E

With this as well, listen, there's, no doubt he is the smartest guy I've ever worked with, but but.

I

Mike's right he's the smartest uh attorney. That's not an attorney so see. Lawyers yeah.

B

Assumption that you had something to do with it very little yeah, my name will be somewhere.

I

um But uh no, I want to thank you both for this, and I want to thank commissioner gordon for this.

E

As well, I think this is a great idea. You know. What's interesting is every thursday we we talk.

E

About what a great county we live in and it is a great county, but it won't stay that way unless.

E

You're willing to make proactive measures, take proactive measures, and sometimes that involves.

E

Thinking outside the box just a little bit, and I think that's what this is here so again, I'm just.

E

Extremely appreciative of it and um looking forward to moving it to a public hearing.

B

Okay, is there a motion somewhere motion to proceed to a public hearing.

C

Second, I got a motion guys. Secondly, just please um providing we pass this motion. What's the process.

H

Moving forward, we will uh run an advertisement twice in the carroll county times and invite a.

Q

Public comment at a at the public hearing or uh through emails or or correspondence.

Q

With the county commissioners, so everybody will get a chance to be heard, including the.

Q

Property owners and then how do we react to the public hearing? You sit quietly no afterwards in.

H

Other words: can this be tweaked as a result of the public hearing? And yes, if you have to.

H

Wait 30 days two weeks or whatever commissioner vigliotti reads it again and says I don't like.

Q

Attendee, we can always tweak that, but the public is on notice that we'll be on notice that you're.

Q

Considering adopting a nuisance call ordinance so that will that will trigger their interest.

Q

If, if they're so inclined, will you uh will you call to advertise with that red phone.

H

And uh I'm going back to the ted slides from now on black and white, no pictures.

Q

And if the public hearing goes well and we tweak it whatever, what's what's the.

H

Soonest that this could be effective. I within 45 days, I would say, yeah, okay,.

I

I think you guys should probably make an effective date. I presume yeah yeah.

B

Okay, okay, so I have a motion. I mean 45 days from today, you yeah gotcha in place yeah. I.

B

Will say just one very quick thing about that red phone, since somebody brought it up is, I did have.

B

A red phone in my quarters on the insulation and sam would pick it up and it was a direct.

B

Line to the my police, so my police would come right to the corners like okay. We don't touch.

B

This phone anymore on my bus, um the command bus and when I pick it up the quartz clip. So I'm not.

I

Sure I think we just have to have a red phone on it, for did your phone? Have a rotary dial.

H

That phone didn't that phone, it was just you pick up and it was right through uh the police, okay,.

B

uh Any more discussion on this seen here, none all in favor all right. Thank you very much.

B

Okay: let's talk about the contract, renewal, sport and management of the computer, aided dispatch.

B

Are you both coming up for just one.

B

Come on up and um as you sit down uh chris, do you by chance have that photo.

B

B

Chris, are you there? Okay, that's the photo. I want to share.

B

Here's the star right there and it was just a great opportunity, one for the governor to share.

B

To the entire community, by name both roberta and valerie, and um and highlight the work that they.

B

Have done uh and uh we could not have gone out of such a catastrophic situation and uh in dire.

B

Need of so much support if it wasn't for valerie, your entire team and all I'm hearing is like.

B

It was just said earlier, the uh from mr turner, because he called 9-1-1 was the.

B

Calmness from your 911 operators and both of you, the work you've done.

B

Is just you know, second, to none and um we're going to move forward with the governor, like I shared on.

B

Resources- and he wants me to talk more about 9-1-1- um you know services and resources that are needed.

B

But I just wanted to throw that out there just a very strong appreciation for you. Your leadership.

B

And uh the entire team that you had during this very difficult time, so thank you so much.

T

Very very hard emergency management was in the eoc until about midnight on monday.

T

And then activated all day on tuesday, so we they answered a lot of calls. They uh every seat, that we.

T

Had possibly available in the 911 center at new windsor was was filmed a very difficult job, so.

T

It's definitely a team sport. I also want to point out very quickly something commissioner garen had.

C

Mentioned earlier that the department of fire and emergency services has been, in effect for.

C

About two months and and valerie you've not been in this position for long right and, and so we.

C

Yeah, I think that's a testament to your abilities and your your professionalism that you know given.

C

Such a short time in this specific role, we hit the ground running as well as we did so. Thank you for.

C

That thank you. Thank you now. Let's make sure that we can renew some of the equipment necessary for.

B

You to continue these operations right, absolutely need our computer-aided dispatch system to be able.

T

To do everything that jack and his folks did on monday and every other day yep. So what do you have.

B

To say all right, the office of procurement and cooperation with the department of public safety.

U

Request your approval to award the renewal of support and maintenance of computer-aided dispatch.

U

Software interfaces field, mobile applications and licenses to keystone public safety incorporated.

U

In the amount of 232 253 dollars, this amount is approved in the fiscal year 24 budget and.

U

No additional funds should be required jack. Any thoughts on this. Besides it just being necessary.

V

Yeah this this goes towards the computer, aided dispatch system, all the records.

V

Management systems, the jails, management systems, the mdts and all the fire and.

V

Law enforcement apparatus, so it's just the annual maintenance agreement with the vendor.

B

This is integrated is to integrated also across the jurisdictions.

V

With the law enforcement agencies that we manage right, that we dispatch for so.

V

Westminster police, hampstead, tony or hampstead manchester mount airy.

B

What if um somebody from baltimore county was coming in.

B

Would you be able to you mean like for me, they wouldn't have access to our ndts or anything.

V

Like that, but you'd be able to just to reach out to them, we'll still talk with them. Yes, okay.

V

That's on the motorola side of the okay; okay, that's not through these systems, specifically.

T

Got it okay, okay, motion to approve the renewal for support and maintenance of computer, aided.

C

Dispatch and related services to keystone public safety, incorporated in the amount of two hundred.

C

Thirty, two thousand two hundred fifty three dollars. Second, second, you got a motion guys.

B

Second, any discussion on this one seen here, none all in favor all right. Thank you very much. Thank.

B

You, commissioners, all you're doing and please pass my regards to all and I'll try and get back.

B

Over there as well, uh you know certainly welcome anytime. You want to come out. Thank you. Absolutely.

B

Okay: let's talk about the brightly software asset, essentials.

W

Morning, commissioners, good morning.

M

All right, um the office of procurement, in cooperation with the department of technology.

U

Services requester approval toward the support renewal of asset essentials to brightly software.

U

Incorporated in the annual amount of 33 392.23 brightly, software was awarded a competitively.

U

Big contract through source oil, cooperative purchasing consortium, this amount is approved.

U

In the fiscal year, 24 budget and no additional funds should be required. Okay, commissioner, assist.

W

Assets essentials is a work order system, an asset management program for the bureau of.

W

Facilities, it processes all their work orders, and it also helps them quite a bit with forecasting.

W

Capital expenditures, as we move through um the years- and I have mr justin mcdonald here with me-.

W

If you have any questions about the use of the product, we've had it for about four years now,.

B

um Roberta, what's the price tag um for procurement? Is it twenty five thousand okay and may we may we.

B

Have still maintained it at 25 000. uh submitted uh request to the general assembly to change that.

L

To 50 last year, but it was submitted a little late, so it didn't get through. So I believe the board.

L

Will probably want to submit that again this year? Okay, that's right! That's what I I thought that we.

B

Submitted to 50. so, okay thanks motion to approve the renewal of support for asset essentials to.

C

Brightly software incorporated in the amount of 33 392.23. Second, I'm motion: I got a second did.

B

You want to see something like the system works well with facilities. Keeps us on target, keeps us.

X

On track, so thank you for the approval. Absolutely any other discussion seen here. None all in favor.

E

Aye aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, mr ripper. How was how's the broadband study coming along.

E

Going well, I don't know if you saw in the last commissioner's report that you got monthly, you saw.

W

I had a little report in there we'll be updating that um each month, like you've, asked for us to.

W

Be able to do that, um the two big things that you're going to see in the next report is that.

W

um Sullivan road construction has begun and is well underway and will probably be completed.

W

Ahead of schedule, it's supposed to be finished by december of this year, but it's moving along.

W

Well- and we also in we're doing the lineborough harney, construction has begun to get fiber up to.

W

There- and we did work with the town of manchester to change the route a little bit to help them out.

W

So that their town hall and other residents would be able to attach into the fiber back.

W

Then so that's the technology services from yes, the broadband's under the technology services.

W

Report- and are we going to see mr ripper at some point here, yes and then we'll be up later after.

W

uh Mako and everything will come up before you and uh be able to put some maps up on the screen and.

W

Show you something so people can really understand. Thank you. Absolutely don't go far ryan. You know.

B

That, oh no I'll be hanging out, so you just say you just sit in the front row: okay, carrie andy come on.

B

Up and let's talk about engineering services for the longleaf pine road, water, main project,.

M

Good morning morning,.

Y

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request your.

Y

Approval to award a contract for engineering services for the design of the longleaf pine.

Y

Road water main project to whitman reichert associates in the amount of 40 722 dollars.

Y

Whitman reichert and associates is currently under a term contract with the county. This.

Y

Proposal amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

Z

Good morning, gentlemen, and as always thank you for including me on your weekly schedule, some.

Z

Background information regarding this item- the freedom water service area consists of.

Z

The high elevation zone and the low elevation zone, these names are based on the overflow.

Z

Elevation of the water storage tanks need soon and not the base water pressure and.

Z

I'll speak about these elevation zones in much more detail in the following item.

Z

For this conversation, however, please be aware that, because of being located within the low.

Z

Elevation zone and close proximity to the mart's water storage tank, the 120 residential properties.

Z

In this immediate area, including those on longleaf pine road pitch pine court, white.

Z

Cedar court pinion pine court. The names of these are amazing and a section of johnsville road have.

Z

Water pressures that are on the low end of the acceptable range, so this project will result.

Z

In a substantial increase in water pressure for these properties, thanks to the inside of three.

Z

Members of my staff, including larry bloom mike zuckman and sean hartman, it has been found that.

Z

It is possible to transition these properties to the high elevation zone with water main piping.

Z

Improvements and valving changes, so the the end result is. It is anticipated that the system water.

Z

Pressure will increase from the 24 to 40 psi range to 50 to 72 psi wow, a dramatic increase.

Z

To accomplish this, we need a 460 linear foot, eight inch water main for for the longleaf pine road.

Z

From johnsville road to the march water tank, this item is for the consulting work to to prepare the.

Z

Construction drawings and specifications following this, the construction improvement project will be.

Z

Advertised for bid and once constructed the transition of the properties from the low.

Z

Zone to the high zone will be made by valving changes and with your approval of this project,.

Z

It is anticipated that the consultant work will be completed by march of 2024 and our goal beyond.

Z

That is to have the construction work awarded and completed by the end of calendar year. 2024.

Z

Any questions from it you can make people happy very much so I mean going from 40 psi to 50. I mean.

F

And my staff did a tremendous job on, on the background information of that I I'm a little.

Z

I'm pleasantly surprised that it can be done this way, that's fantastic! I I truly appreciate you.

B

Recognizing your staff as well for the hard work that they're doing okay. Are there any questions.

B

No, you can go insurance distribution, positive motion to award a contract for engineering.

C

Services for the design of the longleaf pine road water, main project to whitman.

C

Reckart and associates llp in the amount of forty thousand seven hundred twenty two dollars and zero.

C

Cents, second, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion on this one seen here. None all in favor.

B

Aye: okay: let's talk about the liberty awards: water storage, tank, the office of procurement, cooperation.

Y

With the bureau of utilities, requester approval to award a contract for engineering services for the.

Y

Design of the liberty, water storage, tank booster pump station to whitman reichert and associates in.

Y

The amount of 186 749 whitman reichert associates is currently under a term contract with the county.

Y

And this proposal amount is within the adopt a budget, and no additional funds will be necessary.

Z

Gentleman for a brief background of the basis of this project uh once again, the freedom, water.

Z

Service area is divided into two major zones: the low the low elevation zone, which is about.

Z

80 percent of the service area and generally includes everything east of maryland, 32 and.

Z

The high elevation zone, which is the remaining 20 percent, and it's generally everything west.

Z

Of 32 and north of sykesville, the the low zone includes the freedom, water treatment plant. The.

Z

1 million gallon storage tank at liberty and the 1 million gallon storage tank at marks road, the.

Z

High zone includes the 500 000 gallon linton tank at suntree high school. uh The the linton tank is.

Z

Supplied by the booster pump station at the march tank and there's currently no backup system in.

Z

Place for the march tank of a booster pump station at this time and, as I said, a few minutes earlier,.

Z

The names of the zones are based upon the overflow elevations of the storage tanks and and and not.

Z

The the uh the base water pressures so the the low elevation zone, the tanks overflow at 737 feet of.

Z

Elevation and the high zone overflows at 795 feet so basically in a nutshell, what um what that means.

Z

Is the water the the uh the uh the water treatment plant can push water out into the high zone? The.

Z

The low zone, water storage tanks would overflow before water would reach the high zone, so we need.

Z

A booster pump station that that sends the water from the low zone into the high zone and and the.

Z

Issue right now is not having a backup system in place for that water booster pump station.

Z

So uh we've had previous studies that were conducted for the bureau and they have recommended.

Z

That a second booster pump station be installed for both redundancy and to help with an ongoing.

Z

Water stagnation issue within the liberty, water, storage tank at this time, if the march booster.

Z

Pump station were to go offline. For any reason, there are no direct internal means of providing.

Z

Water to the high zone, third-party contractors and rental pumps would be needed and there would be a.

Z

Substantial time delay to supply water to the high elevation zone, while this work's been coordinated.

Z

Secondly, and because of water service area operating parameters, it is challenging for.

Z

For my bureau to consistently fully overturn the 1.0 million gallons of water stored in the.

Z

Liberty tank and finally, the linton tank was constructed in 1998, is beginning to show signs.

Z

Of wear and will need to be repainted in the upcoming years. In order to do so, the tank will.

Z

Need to be taken offline for four to six months with the tank offline, we have limited confidence.

Z

In the ability to to supply water and pressure to the high zone exclusively via the march booster.

Z

Pump station and little to no confidence in providing the unnecessary water volume and.

Z

Pressure needed for extended firefighting efforts, the the construction of the liberty, booster pump.

Z

Station will resolve each of these concerns, so this item is for engineering services for the for.

Z

The liberty booster pump station and a 3 000 foot connection of a 12 inch diameter water main along.

Z

Johnsville road from the water tank to the high elevation zone, this this facility is a much needed.

Z

Proactive improvement to the overall freedom, water service system and the scope of work includes the.

Z

The construction, drawings and all county and mde permit related services. This booster pump.

Z

Station will function as the primary water supply for the high elevation zone and the march tank.

Z

Booster pump station will will remain in rotation with liberty to ensure that there are two fully.

Z

Functioning and redundant means of providing the high elevation zone with potable water.

Z

Furthermore, having the booster pump station set up within the liberty, tank footprint will allow.

Z

The station to draw water directly from the bottom of that tank itself, and this will greatly increase.

Z

The turnover of the stored water within the tank and it will reduce the stagnant water concerns and.

Z

Upon award of this contract, engineering services will be completed by the middle of 2024 following.

Z

That the the project will then be advertised for construction bids. Any questions for me.

C

No motion to award a contract for engineering services for the design of the liberty, water.

C

Storage tank booster pump station to whitman reichart and associates llp in the amount of 186.

C

749 and zero cents. Second, okay, I got a motion got a second any discussion, senior none all in favor.

B

Aye. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, before we.

B

Get to the ryan reed show: let's have ryan and justin come on up.

F

And we're going to talk about a kohler diesel generator.

D

Morning, the office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of facilities request your.

U

Approval to award the purchase and installation of one kohler diesel generator and 40 kilowatt.

U

Transfer switch along with the removal of the existing generator and transfer switch. This is.

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A turnkey project for fidelity power systems in the amount of 77 987.45. This unit will be.

U

Installed in the louisville tower on louisville road in finksburg, kohler power system was awarded.

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A competitively big contract through source well cooperative purchasing consortium, which.

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Fidelity is an authorized dealer. This amount is approved within the fiscal year 24 budget and no.

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Additional fund should be required. Commissioners, this tower site plays an important role for the.

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Communication infrastructure throughout the county due to the importance of the county.

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Operation eoc number one: it's critical that these generators stay on target for the the.

X

Replacement scheduled through uh through budget that we worked with this replacement falls within.

X

The county overall generator's budget and our plan so we're looking for approval to get this.

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Generator replaced and get a new one in there, the old generator we will sell on public purchase.

B

It was the old generator 25 years old, wow a little just a little over 8 000 hours.

B

What is the expected average? um The years we go with the 25-year cycle here in the county.

X

But the hours it kind of varies depending on the load it's on the generator and how often.

X

The generator runs right, a lot of things that these generators were fine and don't actually.

X

Go past the lifespan because they don't run on a heavy load all the time they just sit there.

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Run on an exercise cycle which is for a diesel engine, you guys know they are meant to run so.

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We do find some life expectancies. Don't hit that max light that we look for yeah.

H

Happens to the old generator uh we're going to bring it back to.

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The shop and we're going to sell it on public purchase through the purchasing.

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Department and then whoever wins, the bid will come in and pick it up.

C

Motion to approve the purchase and installation of one kohler diesel generator for the louisville.

C

Tower to fidelity power systems in the amount of 77 987.45. Second, I got a motion. I got a second any.

B

Discussion on this one, she didn't hear not all in favor all right. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted.

B

To say thank you to uh you and your staff for some of the recent grounds. Improvements around.

E

The building here absolutely good, thank you, but he's been in the county building recently they've.

E

Known a lot of we've seen a lot of new plants and shrubs ran into uh mr zepp and his crew out. There.

E

Yes, to go working really hard, so it looks good. Thank you. I appreciate that and I'll definitely.

X

Pass the word along. Thank you guys. Absolutely thank you. Thank you. So much. Okay. Let's look at.

F

Buying some uh some vehicles, mr oliver, coming up and ryan. Let's talk about a chevy tahoe.

U

um The office of procurement and cooperation with fleet management and warehouse operations.

U

Request your approval to use fesco emergency sales to complete the upfitting of one fire; ems.

U

Chevy tahoe in the amount of 35 595.55- and this includes all parts, labor, insulation and delivery.

U

This purchase has been made through a howard, howard, county contract that was competitively.

U

Bid this amount is within the approved budget, and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

Because we have a list of items I'll keep the presentations brief, but available for.

P

Questions this is for the chevy tahoe that the board approved for purchased a couple weeks ago.

B

When um one will be on hand, we have the vehicle outfitting, we'll take a.

P

Couple months, I expect it to be prepared by the end of september.

E

So I had a conversation with somebody else in the county government here recently about some.

E

Of these vehicles, when we order them and one of the approaches being that.

E

If we don't get the vehicles by the time we were supposed to.

E

Whoever's got these vehicles and who's doing the work, so it starts paying us back money.

E

In other words, if they don't deliver them on time, I don't know if this is the case or not.

E

But I know department of fire and ems is waiting for quite a few vehicles, so I don't know if that's.

E

Approach and approach for the future, but it's not unheard of that. If we order something and.

E

It's supposed to be here by september 1st, and it's not, I think we have to hold some some of.

E

The businesses accountable, if they can't get it to us in time, so the the delays with vehicles um that.

P

That's one aspect of it and the actual process for outfitting. um I think it has to be taken.

P

Into consideration that everyone's sort of in the same boat as far as the delays, so the outfitter, if.

P

They needed extended time to work on the vehicle. I don't believe it's just because they haven't.

P

Gotten to it or because they are postponing it um and the fleet world, everyone is waiting on parts.

P

um But that's something we can look into. I just think it might be a little bit difficult to.

P

Enforce I understand it just seems like it might be worth something looking into when.

E

We're talking about months and months of waiting, you know so anyway, just want to throw that out.

E

There, yes, sir, I believe just I believe this one was. We bought off the lot, though right, correct.

P

We we have the vehicle, but yeah. I think that's a maybe almost more of a legal question that we can.

C

Look motion to approve the use of term contractor fesco emergency sales to complete the upfitting.

C

Of one fire in ems, chevy tahoe in the amount of thirty five thousand five hundred ninety.

C

Five dollars and 55 cents, a second motion checking any more discussion on this one.

B

Seen here, none all in favor all right. Let's talk about the 325 golf compact track, loader.

U

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of fleet management and.

U

Warehouse operation request your approval to purchase one 325 g compact track loader from.

U

Jessco incorporated in the amount of of 85 475 dollars, jessica has been awarded maryland.

U

um Blanket purchase order and this purchase will will also be made using a source, well contract.

U

Which was awarded to john deere company, which jessica is an authorized dealer. This amount.

U

Is within the fiscal year 24 budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

This purchase would allow for the replacement of a 2008 john deere, skid loader. That is currently.

P

Used by the bureau of facilities on a daily basis, the new unit is expected to take between.

P

Four and six months to receive this is yes, sir, and we'll auction off the old. Yes, sir,.

B

Are we purchasing more than just this one at any? Given time I mean, or is there going.

B

To be a need for additional for fy24, this will be the only skid loader purchase. Okay,.

C

Motion to approve the purchase of one 325g compact track loader from jesco incorporated.

C

In the amount of 85 475 dollars, second motion second hand discussion. This one can't hear none.

B

All in favor all right: okay, let's talk about the excavator, the office of procurement in cooperation.

U

With the bureau of fleet management and warehouse operation request your approval to purchase one xl.

U

4100 v6 by four hydraulic excavator from elliott and france, incorporated in the amount of 525.

U

938.42 cents this purchase will be made using source a source well, contract, which.

U

Was awarded a great all company which elliott and france is an authorized dealer, the amount.

U

Is within the fiscal year, 24 approved budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

Commissioners, this would allow for the replacement of a 2004 grade all currently in the fleet. It is.

P

Used by the bureau of roads- um and I think this week in this storm has really shown.

P

How critical this type of equipment is for the fleet? The grade always went paired with a grapple.

P

Bucket is what's used to remove those large trees that have fallen in roadways and on power lines.

P

Yep motion to I'm sorry, as you can say, there's a couple of them out on 140.. Yes,.

B

Sir with the poles, so the county uh has four of these units. um Looking to replace this one.

P

And the new one is in stock and available. I expect it in a couple weeks: okay, great cool.

C

Motion to approve the purchase of one xl 4100v 6x4, hydraulic excavator from elliott and france.

C

In the amount of 525 938.42 cents, a second that motion second in discussion, see him none all in.

B

Favor. Thank you very much. uh Let's talk about the mower max boom, all right in the office of.

U

Procurement in cooperation with bureau of fleet management and warehouse operation request your.

U

Approval to purchase one mower max boom from altman at max equipment company in the amount.

U

Of two hundred and fifteen thousand dollars at max equipment company was awarded a cool cooperative.

U

Contract with bible word, purchasing cooperative that will be utilized for this purchase. This.

U

Amount is within the fiscal year 24 budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

Commissioners, the bureau of rhodes had requested an additional boom mower for the fleet.

P

um Currently, there are two boom mowers in the fleet and again these are another.

P

Critical piece of equipment, as you can see, the boomer is able to trim back tree lines.

P

Reach over and around fences and guard rails for brush mowing the unit that.

P

We are seeking your approval to purchase is a demo model. We did have the opportunity to test.

P

It out it's a great machine and because it's a demo model we're receiving a 55.

P

000, discount and and the purchase is everything in the photo. The the vehicle and the boom correct.

H

Price yeah motion to approve the purchase of one mower max boom from at max equipment.

C

Company in the amount of two hundred fifteen thousand dollars. Second, I have a motion. I have.

B

A second and discussion on this seen here, none all in favor, aye, aye, all on the roll keep going.

U

The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of fleet management and warehouse.

U

Operations request your approval to purchase one 2023 mitsubishi, outlander sport from apple ford.

U

In the amount of 29 595, this purchase will be made from howard, howard, county contract.

U

That carroll county will utilize. This amount is within the fiscal year 24 budget and no.

U

Additional funds should be necessary. This allows for the replacement of a 2007 jeep.

P

Liberty and the vehicle is primarily used by the department of land and resource management.

C

Motion to approve the purchase of one 2023 mitsubishi, outlander sport, awd from apple.

C

Ford in the amount of twenty nine thousand five hundred ninety five dollars. Second,.

B

Apple ford is selling a mitsubishi.

P

uh They have expanded, they have a mitsubishi dealership. I am going to give apple ford a.

B

Hard time about selling a mitsubishi because I know them well, uh is it uh on the lot or.

B

Is it being ordered? It is, it's done a lot. It's available for a media purchase, okay,.

B

Any uh discussion on this one seen here, none all in favor aye and let's talk about.

B

A 2024 chevrolet equinox that I expect is not being sold by apple ford. I don't think so. The.

U

Office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of fleet management and warehouse.

U

Operations request your approval to purchase 11 2024 chevy equinox from hartrick fleet and.

U

The amount of 290 thousand ninety two dollars this purchase will be made using howard, howard.

U

County contract that carroll county will utilize. This amount is within the fiscal.

U

Year, 24 budget and no additional fund should be necessary. These are all replacement vehicles for.

P

The department of public works, the sheriff's department and the state's attorney's office.

B

11 of them wow what kind of a time frame just out of curiosity for six months six months: okay,.

C

Motion to approve the purchase of 11 2024 chevrolet equinox from.

C

Hertric fleet, in the amount of 290 0.92 second.

B

uh Motion, I got a second any discussion on this one seen here: none all in favor, aye, okay,.

B

Let's see, let's talk about a used bucket truck.

B

It's not me, I don't believe it. No ryan! You go away. Okay, I was gonna, say I'm panicking now. Thank you.

M

Sure thank you good morning, maureen good morning, good morning, I thought I'd give ryan a break.

AA

But um searches for a ford, f-550, altec bucket truck were conducted on ebay and.

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Facebook marketplace: two trucks were listed on ebay and one being a 2012 truck that listed at.

AA

55 950 and one 2010 truck that listed at 54 998. It used 2009 truck listed on facebook marketplace.

AA

For forty nine thousand five hundred private sale for a similar truck was also investigated.

AA

In this truck listed for sixty thousand dollars so between the office of procurement and fleet.

AA

Management, we are requesting your approval to purchase the one used, 2009 ford, f-550,.

AA

Altec bucket truck from edward and miller in the amount of forty nine thousand five hundred dollars.

AA

This is within the approved f4 fy 24 budget, and no additional fund should be necessary.

P

As a supplemental vehicle, this will be used for various projects around the county, fantastic.

C

Motion to approve the purchase of one 2009 ford, f-550 all-tech bucket truck from edward n.

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Miller in the amount of forty nine thousand five hundred dollars a second, I have a motion. Second,.

B

In discussion on this seen here, none all in favor aye. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Great job.

B

Let's talk about uniforms, commissioner, can I interrupt real quickly before you.

B

Gentlemen, yeah gentlemen, I I apologize, I didn't think you were leaving. I thought.

B

Have a seat just sit down for a second, I do want to uh mention not being rude by telling you to.

B

Sit down, but I I do want to mention a lot of uh discussion uh earlier on, was talked about.

B

um The uh events over the last 48 hours and a lot of the hard work because it was, as we all know,.

B

Catastrophic, it could have been more, it could have been worse and the difference between you know.

B

Catastrophic could have been worse, is really razor thin and um the work that you know, uh mr bokey and.

B

Your entire team did uh is just second to none. I mean this county, I don't believe has seen the the.

B

Debris the 120 roads, the um the work that had to be done for the safety and quality.

B

Life of our county carroll, county community- I don't think they've seen that so the selfless.

B

Work that I think we're down to five roads is what I'm told we're down to four roads. It'll be.

AB

Updated shortly, hey, and uh so from 120 just about 36 hours ago, whatever it may have been to four, is.

B

Just remarkable in county roads- and uh you know we we do highlight you- know our fire ems and our.

B

Men and women in blue and also obviously in red, so I'm looking at them not so often uh those that are.

B

Often in yellow, you know and um those that are there 24 7., you know um clearing these roads so.

B

I think for me, my colleagues, a strong, strong appreciation, uh director bokey and the entire team.

B

For being out there doing the work, uh and with that said, I'd like to open it up for comments if.

B

My colleagues may have yeah I'd like to comment quickly and, and I don't want to diminish in any.

H

Way, the guys out there doing the work, but on top of it it's been very good communication.

H

On the status of the work and and the areas and and that that makes it go smoothly, also.

C

I'll just stuck with that as well, and then we talked about it again earlier thanking.

C

Our road crews, for everything they've done and for everybody who works at this county.

C

Helping the county to get back on its feet, so thank you very much, gentlemen. For that.

C

And god bless you and what you're doing there's a lot of folks that are out there that are obviously.

B

Not in this room and how to share share our sentiments to them. Yes do your best uh and we.

B

Will also do our best. uh You know saying thank you goes a long ways and it's a thank you from us, but.

B

uh We'll continue to do that uh to all the men and women that are out there still working. It's.

AB

Good, it's a very long way. We truly appreciate it um you're. Absolutely right. We have a few.

AB

Employees in roads operations, particularly that have been with the county 45 years or more and in.

AB

Their history, they have said that they have never seen this many roads closed at one time. They've.

AB

Been out there and you're also correct, you know many other agencies work and they work hard, but.

AB

Unfortunately, we don't have altering shifts of roads, operators so they're out there, 24 36 48.

AB

Hours at a crack, as you said, working around the clock to keep it open and and remember without a.

AB

Passable road, no one else responds anywhere. There are no fire trucks, go no police cars go no one.

AB

Goes anywhere, and it is heartening to hear you all recognize that and we will absolutely pass that.

AB

Along and many of them as time goes around, they will see this and they will truly appreciate it.

AB

So thank you from the bottom of our hearts for recognizing that absolutely I can and if I can.

L

Add one second, I think of fleet a little bit like the 911 dispatchers of the dpw world, because if.

L

The gentlemen and ladies that run the trucks that clean the roads wouldn't be able to do it. If the.

L

Trucks and other equipment were not properly maintained by our fleet so every hour that.

L

The roads, crews are working, the fleet guys are working too so and maybe sometimes more so I don't.

B

Now I I appreciate it, and just uh brian before you just come up, is also um you put yourselves.

B

In harm's way- and we often talk about you- know red green blue, putting ourselves in harm's way.

B

You put yourselves in harm's way every time you're out there, especially in storms like this and.

B

You know just uh the character of the individual that is selfless the character and visual that.

B

Is is wet and cold and exhausted doing the work they're doing is just amazing. I don't.

B

Think uh you know there's another jurisdiction and I'm just telling you straight up that does.

B

The work that we do so well, so thank you with the resources we have the resources we have yeah brian.

B

Yeah I was going to kind of mention that and uh communication was mentioned. um We don't have a.

AC

Full dispatch, you know we're not like a 9-1-1 center out at um out of the maintenance center.

AC

And I've seen other jurisdictions that they have a full dispatch team that works around the clock.

AC

um We don't have that we have staff that are volunteering to to hang around all.

AC

Night shout out to kathy verts and her team. She worked tirelessly these last couple nights. We.

AC

Were able to provide some support for her, even though we had to kind of pry her out of the seat.

AC

um To to get these, these road closure updates- um and I I was waiting for doug to mention it, but.

AC

um That that list that goes out every half hour hour uh during these events,.

AC

um That was something that was developed with bge, and you know we that was a joint effort uh to come.

AC

Up with that, they really like it. We really like it and I think they've used that as a model for other.

AC

Counties so just a shout out again to all those folks in the communication side of things and.

AC

Obviously, the folks that are on the roads. Thank you, yeah, no, absolutely yeah! We were the first.

L

To develop that, I understand directly from folks like mike fowler and others, and they have um they.

L

Being bga has used, it asked other jurisdictions to use it right. No, I definitely good coordination.

B

Good communication, collaboration and all the rest any other thoughts and comments on this.

B

Okay, so whoever we want to leave, go ahead and get out of here. I apologize.

B

uh Holding the jab they're, probably pretty tired maureen. uh Let's talk about uniforms.

AA

Hey the office of procurement and the department of fire ems were before the board in january of.

AA

This year and received the approval to award a contract to the whitmer public safety group to.

AA

Purchase uniforms, the uniforms consist of shirts pants jackets, dress, uniforms, items caps and helmet.

AA

Fonts we are requesting to continue the purchase of uniforms from the whitmore public safety group.

AA

In the amount not to exceed hundred thousand dollars in the physical year 2024., this amount.

AA

Is approved in the fy 24 budget and no additional fund should be required and I will turn it over to.

AA

Michael to talk about the uniforms, these uniforms will be a traditional replacements for the fiscal.

AD

Year, what we're finding out? We went ahead with a minimal issue of uniforms and obviously our people.

AD

Are out there working hard like the other night, so uniform changes during a 24-hour shift are.

AD

Frequent and obviously the uniforms will wear out they'll rip they'll tear everything else, so this.

AD

Will allow us to do nutritional replacements as needed to start a stock level within our warehouse.

AD

Or their quartermaster coming on board here in the next few months, and we still have some people that.

AD

Have been higher that haven't received all their uniforms, so this will give us adequate funding.

AD

In the fiscal year to handle that- and also I just want to take a moment to echo- what's already been.

AD

Discussed here, but I want to commend the team effort of the department of fire and ems with.

AD

Our partners and the volunteers we ran over 200 calls during the storm. Obviously, some catastrophic.

AD

Events with unknown hazards, the first in units obviously to route 140 in westminster. Those are.

AD

High tension lines, 110 000 volts, we had no idea if they were still charged. We had a multitude of.

AD

Issues I ran about six or seven calls, including a life-threatening injury with someone bleeding out.

AD

We had multiple units, some stations ran as many as 40 calls and for an agency that's been operational.

AD

For two months, it's really remarkable and that's because our combination system and.

AD

The partnerships that exist uh is working. The volunteers had all 14 of our stations staffed.

AD

They had multiple units that were staffed myself and the assistant chief were out there in the.

AD

Street we also ended up at the eoc, so we could fill the fire component of that out and without.

AD

Reiterating what you've already heard it was just a tremendous effort. It's not about one.

AD

Individual, it's really about the team effort and the leadership at all levels of our organization.

AD

So I just wanted to make sure that we had that acknowledgment here absolutely. I would just.

B

Change one thing: it's not remarkable, it's carroll county I mean and we're going to capture a lot of.

B

This information and package it because there are going to be lessons learned as well, but.

B

It is what we do so thank you and our partnerships worked out well, when the bear commander came to me.

AD

To tell me that she was having a briefing and she wanted me there and, as did the sheriff, it.

AD

Really, uh for the first time uh really showed us that we are part of the overall team for public.

AD

Safety, absolutely it was a great great experience and we're glad that we could do our small part to.

AD

Make things better and keep everyone safe and other than one critical injury? uh Things went.

AD

Very well, that's incredible and- and I I think as much as I love saying, I love carroll county.

H

You have such a great relationship with our surrounding jurisdictions too, that we can help.

H

Them and they can help us when needed, and that that's awesome also. Thank you. Okay. I think I just.

E

Again thanks a lot chief lie. Tenant carolynco is here in the background you you were spread.

E

Across at least seven different stations when the storm hit- and it was evident by the response just.

E

Again remarkable and thank you and you're, you don't look really tired, but I know you are so.

AD

Slept along to six hours last night, it was a long night for me yeah. I was coming off.

B

Adrenaline as well as I just hit you, everybody looked bad yesterday morning.

E

Again, chief thanks, I know it's been a long week, not a problem. Okay, let's, uh let's approve these.

B

Uniforms anybody got a motion motion to approve the purchase, the uniforms of the department of.

C

Firing? Ems from the whitmer public safety group at a cost not to exceed one hundred.

C

Thousand dollars in fiscal year, 24.. Second, I got motion. I got a second discussion on this one.

B

Seeing here, none all in favor, aye, okay! Okay! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Let's.

B

Get uh an update on the status of the carroll county's office of the state's attorney project.

B

I appreciate we do have also in the audience, mr culver, mr stewart, as well.

AE

Gentlemen, good morning, commissioners, is it morning still, yes,.

AE

Good morning, thank you for your time. This morning it's been a busy agenda.

AE

um But we're happy to give you an update on the status of the state's attorney's project.

AE

um Joining me this morning is deputy director eric burdine and our director.

AE

Brian bokey, in the back of the room the project is designed for, and I think we.

AE

Have a rendering to show the building uh chris if you could pull that slide up.

AE

um The building is designed fair for you to use that that powerpoint's there for you, okay, minimize.

L

Just go to powerpoint, that's right! There you go.

AE

Everyone see the the rendering you can make it uh portrait if you'd like bottom right corner.

B

A little podium there you go nope, you had it there. Okay.

AE

So this is a rendering of what the state's attorney's building is going to look like again.

AE

It's a three-story office building consisting of 26 000 gross square feet. It's going to be placed.

AE

At the intersection of ralph and greenwood street within the city of westminster,.

AE

um The property was annexed into the city of westminster, corporate limits.

AE

That annexation was necessary for us to obtain the necessary water allocations to serve the building.

AE

The two vacant structures on the building that you see in front of us are going to be.

AE

Demolished beginning on monday august 14th, and if you recall, we were before you a week or so to go.

AE

To get your approval to award the contract to one of our term contractors hti to demo.

AE

Those buildings- and that was in the amount of fifty eight thousand six hundred dollars.

AE

um Just some more pictures of of those buildings that that will, in fact be coming down.

AE

Also in front of you, we provided two two drawings.

AE

One is a drawing of bless you of the existing site conditions.

AE

And that shows again what the photographs showed us, the the buildings on the site.

AE

There's some other smaller vertical structures that this existing condition plan represents.

AE

uh And then this is the actual site plan for the building with its orientation. There is a entry.

AE

Level at the corner of ralph and greenwood, which that area is kind of like grayed in.

AE

um On the I call it the east side, there's uh the sally port entrance that will provide.

AE

Secure entry into the building for state's attorney's needs when they have certain.

AE

Cases that they have to make sure it's secured.

AE

um So this gives you a representation of where the building sits on that property. um Our bureau has.

AE

Been working very closely with our design team, the architect for this project, as you may see, on the.

AE

Drawings, murphy and didn't heifer firm located in baltimore, we've also been working with their.

AE

Subconsultants carol engineering, that's performing the civil engineering work ruling associates has.

AE

Been performing our geotechnical work, including soil borings, to see what we have below the surface.

AE

um So again, we're working through multiple jurisdictional approvals, including the city.

AE

Of westminster and different agencies within carroll, county government.

AE

um The city of westminster's planning commission granted conditional approval of the site plans.

AE

In late july 2023 they had some relatively minor comments that we are addressing and.

AE

We are going to be receiving resubmitting those comments within the next week back to the city.

AE

um Carroll county bureau of engineering has issued their approval already.

AE

um We obtained conceptual storm water management, approval from the department.

AE

Of resource management and our civil engineer resubmitted their point by point comments back.

AE

To resource management on thursday august 3rd, that is the last set of comments that needed.

AE

To be addressed, so we can get final approval of the storm water management for this site.

AE

The architectural drawings for the project were submitted to bureau of inspections and permits.

AE

On thursday july 27th part of that evaluation is permits, looks at ada compliance, fire protection.

AE

Plumbing electrical grading- and this is the second submission- the first submission we got.

AE

Very minimal comments, so we are looking to get approval on this set of architecturals and if.

AE

Not final approval minor comments to complete the architectural package, um see we're anticipating.

AE

Going to bid for the project in the fall of 2023, with construction, anticipating to start.

AE

In the spring of 2024, part of that will be kind of what kind of weather we have when or have you know.

AE

Not sure you didn't want to start a project in the debt of winter and have other issues to deal with.

AE

um The estimated time of construction is between 18 to 20 months.

AE

We'll be happy to answer any questions or comments that you you may have at this time.

H

I love the great detail, thank you so much um and I think of interest. Maybe some people.

H

Listening or watching, can you say again when the current demo is going to start and do you know.

H

If will that close any streets, or can they stay contained on site when they do it, so the work's.

AE

Supposed to begin on monday august 14th we're anticipating from start to end about two weeks.

AE

We may have to do some maintenance of traffic on ralph street because of the.

AE

Billboard sign we're going to have a crane that will once we detach the.

AE

Posts from the sign itself, the crane will be there to actually lift that sign up and then.

AE

Dispose of that in in a container so for a few hours, there'll be some maintenance of traffic.

AE

On ralph street, so so no real road closures, more maintenance of traffic and some disruption, correct.

B

um Gentlemen, do you have anything you want to share, or uh I I know you're here with interest.

B

On the status and timeline associated with this, but, uh and definitely not to put you.

B

On the spot, but to recognize that you are here and give you the opportunity, if you do.

B

Have comments well, once again we appreciate now that you've been evicted. I apologize on the mic.

S

Good morning again, one I mean we have been technically evicted from the courthouse.

S

Annex so thanks for building us a new home commissioners- and we really appreciate it as.

S

um uh We would like to remind the commissioners that we may seem impatient, but, as you know, the.

S

Longer anything takes the more it costs and uh bobc is doing what they can to move things.

S

Along we're, finally getting some things over in westminster but, like I said getting the buildings.

S

Demoed and seeing actual progress would would be very nice, and we would also like to get a.

S

Contract, let as soon as possible to get it done, but, like I said, I believe, we're over the major.

S

Impediments and like I said we thank you for and if like we have, you have any concerns or anything.

S

You need, we can talk about we're just going to be the tenant, but we appreciate it and.

H

Obviously, I'm more concerned about the public than you. You guys have been doing regular progress.

H

Meetings with them talking back and forth for a good period of time, correct. Yes, we have bi-weekly.

AE

Progress meetings with our architect and with alan and mike and the staff at the state's.

AE

Attorney's office and if something comes up in the interim, we all stay in communication with.

AE

Each other to make sure we keep them advised of anything that may impact our schedule.

AE

Expectation management, that's what this is all about right now is you know, understanding the.

B

Timeline, if there's delays, if there's issues communicating it out and then expect you know.

B

Expectations on the next step, so I appreciate it and that's and- and we do we also thank you.

S

For the positions you gave us for uh evidence review, but we're putting them in our conference.

S

Room right now we just don't have the space, and it's only going to get worse and right well for.

S

The people of carroll county- we actually need this building, so we can actually prosecute.

S

Crimes in in this century, in the next one, so, okay, thank you. You won't be here, though,.

S

Any other uh comments: uh this is really just a an update and a briefing on the status.

B

um Just a couple of questions, and maybe a thought too so I mean the the and- and maybe this this.

C

Seems like I'm being I don't know, I'm not. Picky may not be the right word, but but aesthetically.

C

Concerned the the the architectural uh facade uh image that we have there all right well,.

C

What is what are those giant metal things that are.

C

Going up and down on the front of the building and to the side.

C

It looks like corrugated roof, but it's sideways like it's. uh There, therefore, the the.

D

um The sun to keep the keep the sun from from.

D

Causing too much of an issue through those windows is my understanding right, a minute.

D

They did a that was the the term for the study. Some a solar study. I guess you'd call it from.

D

The director of the direction, the sun moves and, and those are those fins- are to block the the.

D

Bulk of the sunshine it's a but still allowing, but still allowing uh daylight into the building.

D

It's it's! It's a atrium in that front entrance of the building, so that atrium really goes up all.

AE

Three levels so to eric's point those what you would call fins allow us to get light into the.

AE

Building without creating a negative impact too much heat too much light, but we still.

AE

Get natural light, which was part of the design elements when we were working with the architect.

AE

On on the building in the early stages of design- and I'm curious about that because again I I you.

C

Know a lot of things that we've talked about over the last couple of months, for example,.

C

The moratorium on solar, because we didn't feel that it had a fittiness with with our county.

C

um You know I there's the school of thought. I think it was in the 50s or the 60s that.

C

Came about architecturally. That form follows function right, and I reject that school of.

C

Thought completely because the life does not come from the design of the building, but from it does.

C

Not come from the form of the building from the design of the building, and so I worry that if I.

C

Mean and again I'm not trying to be mean. I look at this and it just doesn't seem like this fits.

C

For our county and for this, this for the city of westminster and um and I'm not talking about the.

C

The function that it's going to be used for, but you know we're looking at this building long term and and while in 2023, this looks like a phenomenal modern, architectural rendering of.

C

A building you know 40 or 50 years from now is this going to qualify as something classic is.

C

This going to qualify as something that can be used long term, um you know, let's say 50 or 60.

C

Years from now, the state's attorney has to move to another building, and what do we knock? This.

C

Down because it's so incongruently designed right now, and so I'm just wondering whether or not there.

C

May be opportunities to to refine the aesthetic appearance of this building, to make it more.

C

In in keeping with the other buildings that are around, but also with an eye toward its future use,.

C

I don't know whether we're past that stage or whether or not these have been approved or what.

C

The case is, but I just I didn't want to to let this go without going on record uh being that this.

C

Is taxpayer money that's going into this building that we're not just thinking about 2023 but 2053.

C

Or 2073. now your point's well taken and um early on when, when this building was being designed.

AE

The brick is designed to match the brick. That's on the annex, building.

AE

So we're tying that architectural element, together with what we're calling the old style.

AE

And we're taking what they call georgian style architecture, which was the older style buildings.

AE

That we have but then bringing it into a more contemporary facade, which is why you're seeing.

AE

Some of these elements on that entry level area, so uh thought was a lot of thought was given to.

AE

Past as well as future design and uh architecture can be very subjective, so.

AE

um Yeah, let me have mr boki speak yeah, so I I'll uh commissioner wrigley. We went through.

AC

A long process with the city of westminster um planning board and and what the design.

AC

Was going to look like, we can definitely provide you some additional renderings on on how it fits.

AC

um And and to the city and and what some of their comments were, um because I think it's definitely.

AC

Kind of in the same vein of these questions you were asking, and I also want to add you know the.

AC

The long-term goal of the greenwood campus is a public safety campus, so there there is going.

AC

To be other buildings that are kind of going to blend in with this entire campus, whether it's the.

AC

Sheriff's headquarter detention center all the way out to the county office building. I I think there.

AC

Is going to be a nice um feel for this for this government center, and I very much appreciate that.

C

I would certainly like to see those because, again and again, I'm not trying to be unkind or or you.

C

Know demeaning or anything, but it's just it's it's so incongruently put together. It seems because.

C

You have a more traditional architecture with something that is very post-modern and and again.

C

It's it's. You know. I want the state's attorney to have a space that is going to be functional for.

C

Them, but I also want this to be a space. That is something that we're going to be proud of 50 years.

C

From now we're not going to look at it and say: oh well, you can definitely tell that's from 2023.

C

Where again, even though the the goal long term is to have the state's attorney there again, what.

C

Happens is if in 50 years they decide, they do have to move somewhere else. And then, while I appreciate.

C

And respect it in 2023 we're looking at that as a long-term uh campus for public safety again, who.

C

Knows what 50 or 100 years from now is going to end? I mean you know we go back 150 years and the.

C

The jail over on you know over on the other street would have been perfect. The sheriff was living.

C

Over top of the prisoners that he was overseeing in this day and age, it would be unheard of for.

C

Any law enforcement official to be living with his family over top of the prisoners that you're.

C

Watching so understood, thank you. Thank you. Can't speak for the others, but commissioner keller and I.

B

Will not be here in 50 years, and I just understood um and and I understand what you're saying.

H

East middle, for instance, there was the architect thought a lot about. How does this match city of.

H

Westminster, how does this match the current stuff and, unfortunately, and you're not quite there yet.

H

um We then got bids in and found out. We were seven to 12 million over budget and we had to do value.

H

Engineering and some of that went away and we we had to change. We had to sacrifice a little bit of.

H

What we thought was blending with the community because of the dollars, because we couldn't afford.

H

It and it's it's so hard to time. The market we tried to with with career and tech in east middle.

H

Beat the inflation and beat the other schools being built throughout the state.

H

um And that's like trying to time the stock market. You know you. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes.

H

You don't so um my my gut feeling is the quicker this moves. Hopefully, the better. The pricing will.

H

Be but you just don't know that you don't know, what's going to change it, but there there could.

H

Be some changes because of value engineering as you get further along into this, mr stewart has a.

B

Couple stock tips for us; no, I just want to you, uh commissioner, be glad you echoed what those of us.

S

Who are planning and zoning for at westminster, particularly um council, common councilman hoff,.

S

Had the same issue, this does not do justice, you will be getting some better renderings and I say.

S

The a picture's worth a thousand words. Please look at another picture before you make up your.

S

Mind because this does not do justice to what it actually looks like and mr stewart please.

C

Don't take me the wrong way either. Am I bringing this up is not any attempt to delay this or to.

C

Postpone it I want this done. I just want to make sure that it's done right and it's done justice.

C

By the taxpayers of the county, as well as by you guys too sure, and we we understand you're, paying.

S

For it and it and it should be but like I said this does not once we show the renderings to.

S

Councilman hoff, he had a different. He had a change of heart and right. Mr bowers correct.

S

You were there, that's correct! Well, thank you for that. Okay, what else we want to talk about.

AE

Anything else nothing else on there unless you have any further nope just again continue.

B

The great collaboration that you are doing and uh communication back to us on any changes or.

B

Updates that you believe we should uh be aware of at any given time. Okay, we'll do. Gentlemen. Thank.

AE

You thank you for your time. Thank you. Absolutely good luck, mr zaleski, why don't you uh coming up.

B

And uh let's have a presentation and discussion on the actuary study for public safety pension plan.

B

And for the hard questions we have jenny, easy questions, hard questions and uh sounds good to.

H

Me we had a caller and I don't know if that related to this topic, but we can take public.

H

Comments on this topic- and we can also do it at the end of the meeting in general- correct. Yes,.

B

um um Well, what's interesting, is we don't have bear with me a second.

H

And the agenda says public comment doesn't cite them, that's why I.

B

Asked him no no and that that's what yeah I'm going back to the yeah! So.

B

um And I don't know that we have any, but I just wanted to mention that. What powerpoint, oh.

B

So, brilliant it's good! I I appreciate that um ted. Would you like to.

B

Think we should get public comments if any prior to your conversation or totally up to you.

F

Okay, um are there going to be any public comments? uh Chris, do you have anybody on the line.

A

Yes, sir, but I'm I'm not sure if that's for general public comment or for this item, let me check.

B

Okay thanks and are there going to be any public.

B

Go ahead, chris caller hit star six, you can unmute. Are you calling about this particular item.

A

R6, you can unmute caller.

AF

Can you hear me, yes, can you hear me? Yes, uh no, I'm I'm calling for a general public comment.

AF

Okay, thank you very much. Are there any public comments that are going to be said in here.

AG

Limited to beforehand or yes, can we go after? This is nope before.

B

To give us your thoughts on what do you want to share? We don't know what we're even going to be discussing. We've.

F

Okay: let's go through the uh the discussion presentation if you're going to have public.

B

Comments fill out one of the salmon cards in the back and we'll go from there go ahead. Ted.

AH

Okay, we're here to talk about potential changes to the public safety pension, the board a while.

AH

Back directed us to get an actuarial study to take a look at what some changes might look like.

AH

I'm not here today to advocate for this or to argue against it. I'm just sharing the.

AH

Information that we got so that you can think about where you might want to go.

AH

I will say if we're going to act on this, this will be a a significant budget item.

AH

I think we need to be whatever thoughts you have need to go along with all other.

AH

Budget thoughts you have, I don't believe we can just simply look at this as a standalone item.

AH

First, a little history.

AH

There used to be just one pension plan in 2009, a law enforcement pension plan was.

AH

Created separate from a civilian plan for law enforcement, the retirement date changed from.

AH

30 years of service or 62 years old to 25 years of service and 55 years old, the multiplier the.

AH

How we determine what the eventual dollar benefit will be. What do you multiply times.

AH

Not the number of years and salary etc changed from 0.7 percent to an average of 2.01. That says.

AH

An average because there's several layers in the law enforcement plan that have different.

AH

Multipliers- we're not going to get into that today, but at some point you want to.

AH

Go deeper into those kind of things we can have the right people here for you to talk about that.

AH

um The correctional officers at that time remained in the civilian plan, but they had.

AH

A multiplier change from 0.7 to 1.8 percent in 2017 correctional officers were added to the law.

AH

Enforcement plan and they also made a change to increase the value of military service to the plan.

AH

2020 there were improvements to the disability benefit and the plan.

AH

uh Catastrophic changes went from 30 percent to 45 percent for law enforcement and from 0.

AH

To 45 for corrections uh catastrophic- and this is a very simple definition, but basically saying you.

AH

Can't work anymore, non-catastrophic changes went from 0 to 35, for both and non-catastrophic would.

AH

Be you can't do the job that you have now, but you could do something else and then at the same time,.

AH

Earned income offset was eliminated. There was a provision that, if you are working and making money.

AH

Some of that would count against your pension benefit that was eliminated, so there is no impact.

AH

In 2021, the law enforcement plan changed to a public safety pension plan which includes law.

AH

Enforcement corrections, and now our new fire and ems and also another change, gave credit.

AH

For academy time and time served as a correctional officer, if you moved into one of these other jobs,.

AH

So the request and savior we don't actually have a request. We don't have a budget request.

AH

From the sheriff for this item uh there there have been discussions between the.

AH

Commissioners and some individuals that led to what I'm calling the request here, uh including.

AH

That would be a 75 retirement benefit. Two-Thirds disability benefit a constant two percent cola.

AH

A program that is called drop, which we'll come back to in a second and a desire to.

AH

Make all these benefit changes retroactive to current employees, who didn't have those benefits.

AH

So we had an actuarial study done. I want to say a couple things about that. First,.

AH

It's complicated stuff, it's it's not easy to just read and say and say: okay got it.

AH

And there is no answer lots of times, people want to say: well what will this cost and.

AH

There's no answer to that question. What the actuaries do is make a series of assumptions.

AH

uh And then try to make calculations projections based on those assumptions.

AH

But we know, none of those assumptions are what will really happen. It's just the best.

AH

Shot at what will what do we think this is going to look like, and they have to make a series of.

AH

Assumptions and in the plan they also ran several different scenarios, so there are different ways.

AH

You could look at this and there are also a number of pieces to this. This is not an all or nothing.

AH

That you do all of these things, for this price tag or nothing. There are many paths you could go down.

AH

So what will it cost again? I can't answer this with certainty.

AH

And yeah I talk about these assumptions. There are a lot of variables here.

AH

How many actual retirements, and when will there will we see how many deaths will we see and.

AH

When will we see them how many terminations what disabilities will occur? The disability.

AH

Question is is an important one if we increase benefits, it's reasonable to assume that you'll.

AH

See greater use of those benefits, salary increases, we don't know what all those will be in the future.

AH

That has an impact on this and then investment performance money is tied to this in investments.

AH

How well we're doing or how poorly we're doing at any time, you know changes what this costs.

AH

Two from the study, based on all the assumptions that they made. If we think about all the changes.

AH

That are asked for, with the exception of the drop, we think this would cost approximately six million.

AH

Dollars a year that would be to provide all the benefit increases that I talked about earlier.

AH

If you do less, of course, the cost goes down. That will depend on what changes you make another.

AH

Variable I didn't mention is how much pension members contribute to the benefit, the greater.

AH

Their contribution is the lower the tax dollar contribution needs to be. I do want to say the.

AH

Study did not look at providing the benefits retroactively, so that's six million dollars a.

AH

Year is to provide new benefits. Looking looking forward, I can't even put a an estimate on what.

AH

I think a retroactive would be, but of course it would make that a good bit more expensive.

AH

Now that did not include the drop I'm going to suggest to you that you, maybe if you, if you want.

AH

To get into a discussion about the drop and I'll define this in a second uh that you might want.

AH

To make that a separate discussion from the rest of these uh pension changes but a drop and again.

AH

This is overly simple, but basically uh this is a program where somebody in this plan can.

AH

Declare their retirement continue working, they begin collecting their retirement benefits, but.

AH

They're held in an account on the side, they don't actually get the money and then one.

AH

Day when they actually do retire, they will receive the money that has been collected.

AH

Now sometimes there are arguments made that this is cost neutral, that.

AH

You would be paying somebody one way or another, and I understand the argument.

AH

Now that he's been around for a while there are there's some thinking that that's not.

AH

Necessarily true or not always the true that you have some behavior changes holding on to.

AH

Experienced higher paid officers longer but again we can talk more about those.

AH

Kind of things, if you decide to pursue that ted, what does drop stand for delayed retirements.

C

Some retirement option program- I'm sorry, say that again, third retirement option program. Thank you.

AH

So you were in the ballpark: almost there.

AH

So uh this was to get the information in front of you. The the biggest piece of information of.

AH

Course is, what's the magnitude of the the dollar commitment that we're talking about here, uh as we.

AH

um Look ahead, you know what are the next steps? I think there needs to be some some.

AH

Discussion on what is it you're willing to consider uh that could be anything.

AH

From we're willing to talk about all of this, to we're not willing to talk about.

AH

All this, but we are willing to talk about these pieces or, to this degree.

AH

um When are you willing to consider these changes? uh You can't decide this today because it's not on.

AH

The agenda that way, but you could in theory, take it out next week, if you, if you want to going back.

AH

To what I said earlier, I would encourage you to make this part of larger budget discussions. Yeah.

AH

We're not talking about spending 600 we're talking about spending millions of dollars annually and.

AH

We already have significant pressures. I don't see how we can separate this from all the other stuff.

AH

We need to talk about, then, when we have a better idea, what it is that you want to do what paths.

AH

You want to pursue, we can put together a work plan to build more information, to try and put.

AH

You in a position to to talk through the things you need to talk about and to see uh what kind.

AH

Of implications we are up against and then much like going through the proposed budget sessions.

AH

I think we probably could put together things to allow you to play with different scenarios like.

AH

um If we require a contribution of x percent or y percent, what does that do if we give.

AH

A 75 retirement benefit or a 65 or 10 percent retirement benefit. What what impact does that have.

B

The um the the drop it sounds like that's um from a military perspective, the reserve.

B

National guard, it's a deferred retirement program. When you retire, you don't collect.

B

Until you hit a certain age, as opposed to you, know active duty, you collect.

B

As soon as you retire, so it sounds like that's what that drop sounds similar, but um with these.

AH

It's not tied to a age. You reach it's tied to a retirement date. That's been declared, so you.

AH

Could say I'm gonna work for three more years. The drop is tied to that three years. Got it. Okay,.

B

Okay, are there any comments I mean, do we want to hear from the public now and then.

B

At that point, okay, I see a couple salmon cards if you can give them to either tim or roberta.

B

And then uh chris, if you can.

B

Put the clock up and we will, you know, intend to keep it to uh three minutes. um Reminder that.

B

This is not an opportunity for discussion, it's an opportunity for transmit, receive information and.

B

You know I pretty liberal when it comes to three minutes, but I'll remind people to.

B

Complete their thoughts, that's a very big three there. There we go okay, I'll, try not to take it all.

AG

um And I apologize for not wanting to go beforehand. We just didn't we weren't sure say.

F

Who you are and where you come, I'm the president of the fop lodge 20 here in carroll, county yep.

AG

um Commissioners, we've all talked about this either privately in group discussions.

AG

um About enhancements to our retirement system,.

AG

Especially disability pensions, um you know we have a bunch of deputies out there right now who.

AG

Are going on minimal sleep, they're standing with their back to traffic in altered traffic plans.

AG

Just hoping that someone who's late for work doesn't plow into the back of them.

AG

Commissioners, everyone around us is already made these enhancements to their pension systems. I.

AG

Shouldn't say everybody: a good majority of the public safety pension systems around us.

AG

Have already made this and I think, it's time that carroll county stops acting like we're in a bubble.

AG

That nothing's ever going to happen here that we decide our own market for what we're going to pay.

AG

Our employees, the benefits that we're going to provide to our employees all right, we need to.

AG

Get on board, you all, don't decide the market. Mr zaleski, he doesn't decide to market everywhere.

AG

Around us decides the market of what it costs to run: public safety, police fire, you name it. Okay,.

AG

It's time that we all get on board, we can't just keep saying we're going to write our own.

AG

Ship and we're going to say what this is going to cost because it doesn't affect the public. It.

AG

Affects the employees that you're that fall under you and I'm not. I shouldn't even really say that.

AG

This is only public safety. This is every county employee. In this building over at rhodes, we are.

AG

All tired of being told oh well, this is carol we'll just pay you this, while everyone else.

AG

Is going forward getting better benefits, better pay, um so I'll just give a plug to everybody here.

AG

I think it's time that carroll county gets on board with all of it all right, I told you I'd.

AG

Try not to take my whole three minutes, so thanks man, okay, thank you, brandon. The only other comment.

L

Card I have is mike carolinko and mike. You do not get three minutes 45 seconds, not this time.

AI

At least that these so brandon uh seed them too, and so that's why yeah so uh michael carolenko.

AI

President of the carroll county, professional firefighters and paramedics association.

AI

um You know just to reiterate a lot of things that president holland had put out is you know.

AI

With us coming on board this, I'm looking at six months into 30 years, you know we're looking at.

AI

The the weight of you know not only the years that I've already served in carroll, but us as employees.

AI

Your employees serving this community moving forward. What we're emptying out every single.

AI

Day you know brandon put out some of the little hazards there and everything else. But let's talk.

AI

About the long term and the quality of life, when we look at the end of all this cancer is.

AI

The leading cause of firefighter deaths right now, occupational cancer, so way above the you know, the.

AI

Risk on that, you know so when we're retiring at the end of this, when we envy ourselves after out.

AI

After 25 30 years, what is the quality of life that we're? Looking at and after we've invested.

AI

Our life, our our well-being, our hours with our family, you know stepping out for the storm's, been.

AI

Talked about nauseum today, you know guys were stepping up to the plate working a lot of hours.

AI

And putting themselves in harm's way for that, so after countless of those scenarios over the.

AI

Course of their career in carroll county, what's their quality of life going to look like when they.

AI

Retire: what's the thank you to all the investment and risk that they put out there the strain on.

AI

Their family and everything that they put out then, as they live out those years, the life expectancy.

AI

For a firefighter is disgusting, it's low our gear we found out. You know we had a huge conversation.

AI

About pfas in the ground, pfas is in our gear, so we're constantly being exposed with these.

AI

Plastics that are burning around us constantly that we're stepping into in all these incidents.

AI

What is what does the county support look like to us at the end of the end of the day and I'd.

AI

Have to say that you know a lot of long lines of what brandon was saying. This is carroll county.

AI

Stepping up to the plate, you know counties around us, have better better uh percentages on retirement.

AI

They have, they have the drop program. They already have a lot of these benefits and we're sitting in.

AI

The shadows going: well, it's carroll county, you know the last individual. You know on the last.

AI

Board, you know very aptly. I know it was right in the fact that we want to work in carroll county.

AI

But that's not the only factor and we have to have the you know the whole piece to keep us here and.

AI

This is a massive retention issue. Let me look at the police department, the the sheriff's office.

AI

Could go into recruitment issues just as well. The fire department is talking about it right.

AI

Now, well, we're competing against all these other jurisdictions. This stuff matters- and you know the.

AI

Employees are looking at it, so if you know they're thinking about where they're going from here, this.

AI

It's it's a concern when we have that experience walking out the door, and I I'd really just I.

AI

Petition for a much more in-depth conversation and process on this issue, moving forward that.

AI

Brings in the the you know, kind of the broader conversation of the the employee, the you know the.

AI

Provider, the the police officer, the the firemen to be part of how this works moving forward with you.

AI

um We have to do it right. This is the health of our system. It's the safety of our county.

AI

And it's it's you taking care of the people that are working for you, servicing your county.

AI

So I really appreciate it. I look forward to this moving forward with five seconds left. Okay, thank.

B

You uh and I do see uh chief and our sheriff if uh either one of you would like to make a.

B

Comment feel free and I'm not going to have that three minutes. I think he and I are looking for a.

I

Broader discussion on it is what it amounts to where, where do we go from here after the.

I

Actuarial has been discussed, and how do we discuss this, and- and I think in talking to to brandon and.

I

The folks on my side and I'll remind you that the correctional deputies fall under the same pension.

I

System, I think the the broader discussion is, is there give and take? Like ted said, what do we do.

I

With the percentages, what is what is your? What are you looking at? What what can we? What can we.

I

Move forward and think that we can afford now and then look down the road, but these guys are right.

I

um Everybody around us has got much better pension system than than what we have right.

I

Now and it's time that we discuss it and figure it out, so I'm sure michael reiterate what I've said.

AD

um Thank you just to reinforce, what's already been said, and the sheriff, and I have an advantage.

AD

Because we're the products of other retirement systems and uh we're here for different reasons.

AD

And what I'm looking at is, I create a department is being able to recruit the best, but the biggest.

AD

Challenge is the retention, and so probably one of the biggest issues, besides salaries, that people.

AD

Look at when they come in is what's the long-term game plan, uh particularly in terms of retirement.

AD

And post-employment benefits, so I'm not here today to focus in on any one issue, but I think.

AD

The discussion for public safety needs to take place because we're part of that greater baltimore.

AD

Washington market, which includes northern virginia and there's a lot of competitive elements out.

AD

There, among other agencies, I think carol- has some very unique qualifiers that bring people here and.

AD

There's people here, particularly residents within carroll county, that want to come here.

AD

And make a career but to make that career viable. I think we have to look forward to the future and.

AD

Enhancement of those benefits, but there is a cost to that and so there's other dynamics, we'd love to.

AD

Have a greater discussion and be included at some point. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen, and.

B

um You know we made a uh a conscious decision uh upon the completion of our last budget. um I.

B

Won't say season, but decision making process that uh we were to have further discussions on budget.

B

As soon as we initiate the fy24 and we've had work session, we'll have additional work sessions.

B

um You know through uh the next quarter next couple quarters before we start uh our.

B

Actual deliberation- um and you know pretty much march february march of um of next year, this.

B

Is going to be a part of that discussion that, like you, said, uh sheriff the the broader discussion.

B

um You know, there's there's a handful of topics. You know it's kind of the big rocks in the jar.

B

You know that uh you know have to be considered, and one of those big rocks is safety, security and.

B

How do we get the best of the best in retain recruiting, retain uh the best of the best, so.

B

That's that broader discussion, that's going to be taking place. um You know uh communications.

B

Is important so continue and keep you informed, I think is, uh can be critical and you know getting.

B

The best ideas, I think, also um is critical. So having you, you know whether participate or provide.

B

Information, you know, I mean it's always an open door, and you know that and uh crosstalk is huge.

B

um So I mean that's that's my opening thoughts on this. Is anybody have any other additional thoughts.

C

I agree I want to have the discussion about this. I want to you know, like you said, I want to be able.

C

To provide what we can for the people who serve us, and on that note you know heading into these.

C

Discussions I'd like to, I guess, maybe the right phrase, for this would be scenario I'd like to see.

C

A couple of different options that we may have, for example, uh you know if it's 75 percent.

C

Retirement in 66 and two-thirds, I think you said the cost without drop- is about six million dollars.

C

A year only looking for, but not retroactively, correct all right. So if we were to do different.

C

Graduated numbers like 70 or 65 retirements um you know is: is this necessarily something that we.

C

You know has had been mentioned by others. Is this necessarily something that all has to happen at.

C

Once are there certain things that we can phase in over time um and again, I'm looking forward.

C

Ahead, as commissioner rossi had mentioned, we're faced with a number of large rocks. You know we are.

C

Starting out fiscal year, 25 seven million dollars in deficit and that's even before, we've added all.

C

The additional costs onto blueprint, and so I'd certainly want to to see what options we have to.

C

Be able to to implement some of these things you know I. I agree that we it's time for us to have.

C

The discussion about this and when being able to determine what we can afford to do and when.

AH

You know on scenarios uh going back to what I was saying a little bit earlier. There's an.

AH

Infinite number of them, so what would be really helpful is if we get back something from the board.

AH

Indicating the scenarios you want to see- or at least we'd like to see five versions of.

AH

Each of these benefits or something but even there you start combining.

AH

Version three of this benefit and version one of this benefit. You know it. It adds up quickly.

AH

I don't want to dump unnecessary work on the budget analysts and put time into something.

AH

That's not going to get discussion, but that said, um you know we'll we'll do whatever you need on.

AH

The idea of phasing it in, I would suggest that really isn't part of this conversation, because.

AH

The financial difficulties we have right now go as far as far as we're looking there's there's not.

AH

A date where we can say well, if we can just get through these years, then we can phase something.

AH

In uh I think, if you're, if you're, if you look to make changes, I don't believe there's any.

AH

Particular benefit to us phasing those changes if you're going to do them, I think you just do them.

B

Yeah, I think um again during those work sessions doing our due diligence to provide more specified.

B

You know guidance um and end up being tasks back to you and your team to come back to us.

B

uh It's going to be necessary; this is what you're asking and I I agree with you. You know we can't.

B

Just say do all because it we're not going to get there so um yeah. Please yeah um a couple comments.

H

um And and yes, this is carroll county and uh um surrounding counties have their problems.

H

As well as as how they pay and and their benefits to me, we need to look at environment.

H

The schedules we have here in carroll county and pay and benefits.

H

um And and as far as being part of the discussion, the real stakeholders here.

H

Are the taxpayers of carroll county and uh if, if some of these employees don't live in.

H

Carroll county they're, not stakeholders, they don't they don't help pay the bill.

H

If you guys want us to hear and you've never been shy before, send us emails, let us know.

H

um um How much are you is the employee willing to give up towards benefits? um What happens if.

H

Benefits increase and pay doesn't increase. Quite as much I mean it's all compromise. It's all.

H

um And, and and sheriff you mentioned, can we afford this and and that's a big part of this uh in in a.

H

In an ideal world, I'd love to that our teachers got more pay than baltimore and howard county.

H

um Again, a different industry right now we're getting we're getting educators from baltimore.

H

County because they're not happy there and they're giving up pay to come here. So it's it's not all.

H

About the dollars, but it's the whole picture and and I I'd love to hear you guys comment on on.

H

You know not, and, and you haven't said this, but not just I want benefits, but you know is the employee.

H

Willing to contribute to the benefits is: is uh wow, while carroll county may pay less than montgomery.

H

County um there are some positives to being in carroll county, which you all said. I know you all.

H

Recognize it but, um and and uh this we did commit to do the actuarial study to get all this started.

H

And and and talk about it and that in itself is complicated. But then I think when we look at.

H

The different you know, pay versus benefits versus schedule versus living in carroll, county or.

H

Working in carroll county again, we talked all about the storm and the first responders have.

H

Stepped up and done a great job, um my neighbors helped me clear a road, um I'm not sure that would.

H

Have happened in eastern baltimore county no offense if you're listening, um but you know.

H

So so we are blessed to be here and we've we have to look at and and- and you made a good comment.

H

Next year, isn't our worst year ever it's uh it's gonna, be pretty constant. Moving forward.

H

On expenses, and we really need to look at what we can afford and what we can't. But.

H

And I think we've said that with during the actual world study, we.

H

Can't ignore this: this is something we need to look at and and in some.

H

In some fashion, we probably need to implement something. I'm just.

H

Not sure what that fashion is right now, but.

H

um You never bring us anything easy, but but I yeah I just wanted to kind of say my thoughts about.

H

Yes, yes, this is important and we've got a lot of important issues, but I think we need to look at.

H

um I'd love to hear what what the different groups want and and uh and I'm sure we will yeah.

B

Any other thoughts at this time. Well, I think you know we've all kind of said this up here.

G

And I'm just going to go out on a limb for a quick second, but you know, I think it is.

G

I think all of us have at least committed to sitting down and having this conversation or.

G

Looking at it we're in the very early stages of this, none of us know where this is going.

G

To go, as ted pointed out, there's a wide array of options and possibilities, but I think the bottom.

G

Line is everybody is at this table. We all want to talk and I think the best thing we can do.

G

Is continue to move forward with this we're not ignoring it. I know I'm not ignoring it. I think my.

G

Colleagues are not ignoring it. I think the thing is just to start this conversation and see where.

G

We can take this and move forward, so at this point I think you know the best thing we can.

G

Do is just start having whether we want to set up conversations at whatever period of time. I would.

G

Like to see us do that and see where everybody's coming in from the various stakeholder groups and.

G

You know what we can look at and to to make those conversations happen, because it was a.

H

Good point about the public comment that you kind of needed to hear what was going to happen before.

H

You could comment about it. This presentation, the facts about this, the actual actuarial study.

H

um How are they available? Does that take a pia request, or now that we've done this at their their.

H

Available by just asking yeah, we always try to um if it's easy something like this or you just email.

L

It you know we try to avoid the formality of a pia request. If we can yeah okay, try to limit those to.

L

The things that really require time and attention- yes, yes, if we have that opportunity to communicate.

L

That with someone before they, yes- and I just felt like everybody listening, ought to hear that thanks.

F

Okay, anything else, there's a good group. Okay. Thank you. So much for discussion.

B

Continue as you expect, both brandon and mike and all to reach out, thank you guys.

B

Okay, we're at a point um chris public comment.

A

Yes, caller: that's on the line, can you please use star six to unmute.

A

You'll have three minutes to make public comment. Please identify yourself and tell.

A

Us what area you're calling from thank you? This is stephanie stephanie. You hear me yes, ma'am.

AF

um Good morning, uh briefly, before I start, I went through a drive-through earlier about.

AF

An hour and a half ago and the gentleman when I pulled up, he said that sounded like.

AF

The voice of god, so whoever was speaking about an hour and a half ago, I'm sorry. I.

AF

Don't remember who it was. I think you have a really good voice. Apparently.

AF

um Good morning, I wanted to thank everyone for the opportunity to speak about a.

AF

Very serious issue that is negatively affecting the families of carroll county.

AF

um As a whole, carroll county is well known for being family friendly. Unfortunately,.

AF

The carroll county judicial system, specifically the carroll county specific court, is failing our.

AF

Families, and just one case, a specific carroll county judge- has refused to enforce his own.

AF

Orders ignoring 10 petitions for contempt, they covered over 100 dates of denial of court orders.

AF

This judge has also shown bias and double standards. I only have three minutes to speak.

AF

So I won't be able to get into specific examples, but I am available to speak after this. If anyone.

AF

Has any questions I have seen what this judge has done and continues to allow to be done to.

AF

My family for the last four years to say what this church has done and allowed is a living hell. That.

AF

Would be exact understatement, the damage that has been done to my children may never be repaired, but.

AF

I am praying that, with your help and the help from the community that this judge will never.

AF

Have the opportunity to fail another carroll county family, this judge is retired, speaks and.

AF

Laughs during active court proceedings and directions where no one is standing.

AF

While I cannot speak to the mental state of this carroll, county judge speaking and laughing to.

AF

Himself during an active court proceeding could explain some of the refusals and forces those.

AF

Orders perhaps he is just not paying attention, but my children, carroll county children, are.

AF

Paying the price for his inattention or bias, whatever the case may be, judge stanfield has.

AF

Failed and refused to enforce his own court orders on dozens of occurrences. Please help.

AF

Me ensure other carroll county families never have to deal with this situation. Thank you. Yes,.

B

Ma'am before you uh go, I I honestly did not catch your name and where you're calling from.

AF

Stephanie ramirez tawnytown. Okay, thank you so much.

B

Okay, chris anybody else on the line. That's it, sir. Okay, um as we're passing signatures.

B

Around just jim bear with me for one second: um does everybody have the mako priority document.

B

F

Hopefully- uh and I'm gonna get myself in order, so I don't mess this up so.

B

You know sitting on the uh the board. We.

B

um Had I think it was about 42, I think it was 42. legislative items that we start with, and the.

B

Intent is to get down to three to five prioritized legislative items that we want. We as mako.

B

um All jurisdictions to uh to carry forward and to prioritize talking with our legislators.

B

um Across the state, what you have in front of you is, I think, about 20 um legislative topics.

B

um The staff of mako you see below and it'll say what the stats recommendation is.

B

To keep it on list now, the intent is when we go down to mako next week. um There's a legislative.

B

Meeting and also a board meeting where we're going to work to narrow this down to.

B

It's not going to be the three to five we want, but it's gonna be closer than we are now so.

B

What I'd like is for us to take a look at this, and um you know what are the and get your ideas.

B

And thoughts and ideas, what are the topics? They're all very important topics, but what.

B

Are the ones that you believe we should focus our attention on for the good of carroll, county and.

B

The carroll county community, um like I said, if you read everyone, they're all very important, but.

B

Where do we want to spend most of our uh energy, so I I did take the time to review them and.

E

You know being relatively new as a commissioner, I'm still, in my own mind, trying to determine.

E

The efficacy of mako and does it really serve us well here in carroll county and I was pleasantly.

E

Surprised going through all these items that they are, as you stated, they are very important issues.

E

I know that we can't bring all of them forward. There were some in particular, though, that I was.

E

Very uh keen on and but they may not make it the first one was 24. This issue of public notices.

E

And monitor monetarizing public notices. This is something we've discussed here as a board.

E

Before the idea of putting it in a newspaper that people may or may not read putting public notices.

E

In places that people may not see them doesn't really seem to serve the uh the community and the.

E

County residents very well, so I really like that idea. Whoever came up with that one, I'm a big fan.

E

The other two, though, that are even more important, are the ones dealing with uh maryland blueprint.

E

Which, I think really is number four and then I lost my place. I think yep.

E

I think maybe 27. 24 and 27. I think, if I'm not mistaken anyway, the ones dealing with blueprint.

E

I I just again my own personal opinion, but you know if, if mako can't using its level.

E

Of influence, if they can't move the needle on blue island blueprint, then something's wrong.

E

And I would be really disappointed if they can't do that. So, knowing that not everything can go.

E

Forward and you've got more experience doing this than I do blueprint seems to be the number one.

E

Issue and it ironically, it is one that does bring a lot of diverse counties together. I think in.

E

The nature of the complaints and concerns- and I I appreciate- and um I also appreciate your you know.

B

Especially a candidates about, um I want to say the validity of michael but, like you said, the efficacy.

B

um The strong benefit that I have found in my tenure is that all jurisdictions are at the.

B

Table and you know being equal at the table and we know not all counties are equal. You know overall.

B

Because she got the very large counties but being at the table, every voice is equal and there's more.

B

Let's say more red than blue at the table, so that's.

B

I don't want to say necessarily a good thing in, in my view, it's a good thing, but uh it allows us.

B

To focus our attention on things that matter more in line with our community, our carroll.

B

County community, so no, I appreciate that. um Yes, definitely number four. Is you know I've.

B

Triple asterisk that so, but what are some other thoughts? I'd like to get? You know all of us to.

B

Kind of chime in oh, I will jump in for a quick second, so you've got 27.

G

I think 25 would be one. I think we should look at the storm water wastewater over regulation.

G

um You've got 24. uh Excuse me, 24 and 27 already noted.

G

Also, interestingly enough, I kind of was looking at number six, because it's talking.

G

About maintaining local control over zoning and housing direction.

G

With infrastructure, I thought that might be something we might want to consider.

G

And then obviously, you've got four the transparency in education, but I also.

G

Thought, since you know the state did pass the law, I think we should look at number five with.

G

The cannabis tax revenue increase, share, yeah, yeah and there's a whole lot more to that than just a.

B

Increased county share, but the the all the laws associated with yes, okay, but so I I appreciate.

F

That, um okay, gentlemen, I think uh actually this with the conversation we just had about fire and.

C

Ems number one, I think, is important: different incentives uh for fire and ems, um so uh number.

C

Trying to remember what number was 20, I think it was number 28 had to do with solar, sighting or.

C

Giving counties local control over I mean we just went through that whole process ourselves um and.

C

And you know we I like to think that we kind of are a model county as far as handling the sighting.

C

Of solar developments, and so if there were a statewide um flexibility for counties to have a.

C

Greater say in where solar developments go, I think that's probably very important as well, because.

C

You know part of the discussion that we've had going through solar was, was the state going to come in and just make us do it anyways and then making sure that the state will not do that.

C

I think is probably uh important. Did we did we mention number 29 yet forget? No! No! Well. We should.

C

Page out of broadband right broadband, thank you. um You know, and commissioner pointed out.

C

Or asked this morning for an update on how we're getting along with connectivity for our citizens.

C

And uh you know, I think, that's certainly something worth pursuing as well resources I mean for them.

F

Okay, um but the so I guess he might be able to answer this question though, but the problem is.

E

Some of the things that we've mentioned as being important there's a note here that.

E

Says staff recommendation remove from list who is the staff, it's the mako staff and and that's part.

E

Of the problem, no, no, it's it. Actually, it's not what um the the way it's shaped is you have the.

B

Executive director, who is michael sanderson underneath michael, he has a staff of about.

B

Six, they attend that staff. They attend all of the committee's meetings and subcommittee.

B

They go to the those that are recommending the different bills. They carry the water for mako.

B

um And then they get the information back from the committees on the um where the specific bill.

B

Is going to go so if, if there's like a bill that you know, we really don't like and they're going to.

B

Say it ain't going anywhere, I mean it's not going to get out of committee. Then we're like okay get.

B

That off we don't we want to pay attention to the things that we know are going to move forward and.

B

Staff does not run the mako board, the mako board and all kinds of run staff.

B

um You know it, it really is, and they try really hard um that to ensure that we're running the.

B

You know the the staff um they focus all their attention in annapolis, this six folks and they're.

B

Smart young folks, um they're all young and they carry. You, know the the information. But that's.

B

And they're broken into because you see different names of staff, they're broken into uh different.

B

Categories or different, you know, subject areas subject, areas um and uh that that's who staff is.

B

um The last time we looked at this was, I had a uh a board meeting in howard, county.

B

I don't know last month or whenever it was, that was the last time we looked at this with the.

B

Staff- this will be the next time down in mako and the next time after that, I think, will be.

B

um In october, to kind of continue to parry down and then so the intent is by january. It's hey.

B

Here's the handful of things that we must do so yeah, so so I mean so in your experience.

E

The staff is actually looking at the what chances those actually have in the general.

E

Assembly and that's how they're making the determination is to take a multiple list or.

B

Not coupled with the direction of the uh county leadership, the jurisdictional area, exactly.

B

Because you know it's like why waste your time, if you know something's not coming out committee.

B

um You know we don't have those resources, no, but that's pretty much. It.

C

um Thank you for explaining that to me, because you know, like commissioner garrett had also had number 27 marked off as for blueprint right right and um and then, while I understand that that you.

C

Know there are some individuals who think it may not go anywhere right. um I think, even if we are.

C

Able to have a discussion about it, um whether or not uh you know this may end up being one of those.

C

Priorities just having the discussion about it, I think yeah having discussions about all the I mean.

B

It makes sense pushing it through legislation if they know hey. This was something that was brought.

B

Over the last year or two years, three years and it hasn't left committee, but it's still a really.

B

Important topic, but why continue going down that rabbit hole if it's just not going to go anywhere.

B

Let's focus on the things that really matter that can like like cannabis. You know, you know, there's.

B

So much issues with cannabis right now that we've got to get our hands around it uh in the usage of.

B

Cannabis and the laws associated with cannabis, and all that I mean that's a huge blueprint.

B

You know and the funding you know that's like, like you said, how are we going to resource but.

B

And you're gonna see some of that also uh next week uh in some of the discussions. uh Hopefully.

B

You know we'll find time to meet some of the staff and, uh if you know I I'm close by I'll, definitely.

B

Introduce you they're, very, very professional young adults that are doing a lot of hard work so.

B

um What uh what other things uh I've got? A question um number four yeah.

H

Oh we're going through blueprint and everything else.

H

They really want more accountability from the local school systems. I think.

H

Like past commissioners, here there's great heartache that they can't control the spending.

H

But it's very transparent, I mean you, can you can see what they spend every month? You can look at.

H

Their blueprint port they've just submitted this. To me, this is another unfunded mandate.

H

On the school system, which is just going to cost us more money, I don't quite understand.

H

um And I understand that they've got to look at the probability of things passing in annapolis, but.

H

It's like they're, afraid to question blueprint and blueprint funding, but they want to question the.

H

Local school systems funding well yeah that I know that's ridiculous yep. That last comment thanks a.

H

Lot, depending what's going to cost us that, isn't what cost us an extra six million last year, mm-hmm.

F

um I I agree joe, you were saying: were you saying another? What oh? No I I brought up number 27 and.

C

They got us into the discussion about uh whether or not something was efficacious and pursuing it.

C

um But number five was also one that I had marked off, because we eventually we will be.

C

Dealing, I think, with a cascading effect from cannabis use or from marijuana use and and.

C

Having to be able to account for that, even if it's with you know trying to provide for.

C

Emergency services, or whatever you know, I I you know so I certainly would support number five.

B

You know: we've been having conversations about lmbs.

B

uh Recently and one of the legislative issues is moving to l b to the office of children moved from.

B

And was office of crime control prevention in 2018, getting more visibility and more.

B

Kind of attention to how l b's are run, which I agree with. um But um what else uh kenny any.

B

And this is not a be all do all I mean we're gonna. Have these conversations.

B

um But as a as a team doing it openly during open admin, you know make sense, but obviously you know.

B

While we're down there direct conversations, we can have all day long, so um any other thoughts.

F

No okay and honestly, every time I do these meetings, I mean I try really hard to.

B

No, I want to say really: I try hard to ensure.

B

That you're getting all the feedback that I'm getting and I'm receiving.

B

um Because that's that's important, you know that and they're very strong on looking at. What's.

H

Going to hurt either county funding or county spending versus the state, and and I I respect that.

H

We get into some things like, for instance, they're, worried about marijuana funding, because I think.

H

They recognize marijuana is here to stay. We can't do anything about it, so, let's make some money off.

H

Of it and that's okay, but then when we get into, I guess we need to talk about when we get into.

H

Veterans benefits retirees benefits. Are we willing to give up some income to promote that or because.

H

Mako, it's hard to argue that with them right like oh, you know this is going to cost counties, money.

H

We don't want it well, maybe some things are worth costing us a little bit of money. I'm not sure what.

H

Everybody thinks of that. A lot of that stuff tends to be in a lot of that stuff. In my experience,.

L

Tends to come out as enabling legislation right. That's where mako usually turns right, so that if.

L

If a local jurisdiction wants to give a tax credit, for example, you have the authority to do so, but.

H

Yes, you know so if they don't want to mandate it right. So if if a delegate or senator comes out.

L

With a yeah they'll, shout mako will usually try to change that to make it enabling so that each.

L

Jurisdiction can pick and choose for themselves, in other words, so any tax I mean mako is not.

B

um Tax friendly, in other words um and anytime, they try to throw tax across mako across the bow mako.

B

Will push back and say: no, even if it's a tax for a benefit that we believe is a valuable benefit.

B

Like military retirement, you know the governor added more to the military uh veterans to try to.

B

Keep veterans in place, mako was against it. I was not against that vote. I was like hey.

B

I disagree, but they want to make it an opt-out type of a process. So um again, that's the benefit.

B

Of being more red than blue at the table, you know to be honest um and uh yeah, so mako is not.

B

um A tax almost a tax friendly, but we don't look at it that way so they're they're not and they.

H

I'm surprised how conservative that group can be, but they're also very realistic on.

H

What can get passed in annapolis and what can't whether you love it or you don't.

H

It doesn't have a snowball and that's and that's what I was I was told mike about, was.

B

um You know the committee's understanding committees, whether it's going to leave.

B

Committee or not leave committee, how long has it been in committee? How long has it been.

B

You know years going through something because there's some goofy stuff out there, but okay got.

B

It I think I got a good uh understanding and I'll. Let you know how that conversation goes next week.

B

um Or the week after um 101 you come on up, uh is there anything else for open admin.

P

H

Good afternoon good afternoon, okay august 14th and next week.

B

We have nothing scheduled, commissioner gordon will be at the planning and zoning tuesday morning.

B

And then mako does start maryland association counties where uh commissioner gordon garen.

B

Kyler and I will be attending commissioner vigliotti will be at the farm museum board meeting.

B

And he will then attend the carroll county college board of trustees, because.

B

Down in mako he's covering for me right yep, I do my best thursday mako continues with the four same.

B

Thing with friday and then same with saturday, and there will be a you know, options on all of us who.

B

Are you whether you stay through saturday or not? um What what's go ahead? um Yeah of us going yeah.

H

um A lot of people book out after the crab feed or maybe before it on friday, do you guys think you're.

H

Going to be there saturday morning or probably not so um I I know it's okay, I can share with.

B

You, my expectation, is that uh I will well, I will be there through saturday. I expect roberto also.

B

Will be there through saturday um saturday, uh I think, there's a one more mako board meeting and.

B

It's also uh opportunity for the governor to do a address. You know uh and speaking opportunity.

B

That's kind of where it stops, so it really stops around noon on saturday. um A lot of people do.

B

Leave on friday, because you're spending one more night just to hear you know one more thing and.

B

Then that's it. So a lot of folks do get out of there um friday. After the crab feast.

B

So- and it's probably still yeah reasonable to have that room saturday night, because you're.

H

Not going to leave till friday night or 9 p.m. So yeah, you shouldn't change our rooms. I don't.

H

Think but nope and we're debating because of a church breakfast whether to leave or not nah.

H

I might be winning the debate we might get to stay, but so I was curious what everybody else.

H

Was doing and that's you know, you do have the room that that night, so you could stay. Obviously.

B

Through saturday and enjoy your opportunity being down there um and uh yeah, I don't know.

H

What you guys saw in cambridge, but I think at least I have a copy of the tax exempt. The hotel.

H

They already have it yeah, but they they did in cambridge too, and they still charged us but yeah.

H

um Which is their problem, but it's then people's problems here when we get back.

H

To get it reversed, it's on it's on everyone's credit county credit card too, just in case so yeah.

B

um And then uh yeah the schedule during mako, where there's going to be opportunities where.

B

The four of us will be uh together should also be on your calendars, because there are a few.

B

Events where we will all be together for a dinner engagement and other activities.

B

um We've been told how to dress we've been told how to dress bonnie tells us how to dress.

B

um Wednesday, there's very little going on, so the white polo shirt is not usually as.

B

Necessary, unfortunately, well I have to wear because I'm going to an event, but.

B

Yeah those white shirts are just not the most durable so anyway, um after that sunday.

B

You got you being commercial. Kyler has the podcast on monday 21st, nothing scheduled.

B

I have the chamber breakfast on tuesday really on tuesday. Looking forward to that and.

B

Commissioner, kyler will be attending as well. um There will be a health on wheels ribbon, cutting.

B

um At the health department, commissioner, gordon and garen are scheduled to.

B

Participate that at 9 30. on wednesday board of education state delegation meeting where.

B

We will all be attending over at the public schools uh conference room.

B

On thursday august 24th we will be going into open session and we will.

B

You're talking about the approval of spending with the credit rating agencies, uh miss hobbs.

B

From comptroller or fy23 operating budget transfer for the carroll county, public schools.

B

We will have a public hearing regarding amendments to chapter 158 of the zoning codes.

B

Land resource management will be facilitating us through that we will have a.

B

A briefing discussion and expectation of a decision, an option to purchase the nicholas.

B

And sharon dawson property through our county program into ag preservation.

B

um Chapter 170 construction codes, dpw will be walking us through that.

B

And then an approval to purchase some dell semi rugged computers and the sheriff's.

B

Department will present that at 1 pm, oh there's at fort meade, the community covenant council.

B

Which is just for the group, it's fort meade, doing a bringing all the jurisdictions that.

B

Surround fort meade and for us to commit to taking care of our military community um friday.

B

Saturday, nothing scheduled. Commissioner corn has the podcast on sunday what the hell'd I do.

B

Any final comments for the good of the group, just one thing is talked about.

L

um Earlier we we, the county and we'll put this in a press release the county.

L

Will be extending the landfill hours for debris for folks to bring debris to the.

L

Landfill on saturday, until 7 pm and sunday from 8 to 1. we're not usually open at all.

L

On sunday so we'll put a press release out and, uh of course, the details, but.

E

You mentioned that was uh debris like trees, trees. Things like that. Well, I apologize was.

B

It the was it both locations or just just the northern landfill. Oh just northern, oh.

E

Just green stuff, just the greens win the brown stuff or brown stuff, yeah good point.

H

Okay, we're still set for 2 p.m. We are said: are we going to try to do anything between now and.

H

Then or just or we could do it after you tell us close now, we can do yes closed meeting. Okay, I need.

B

A motion to adjourn so moved second motion. Second, a discussion senior not all in favor all right.