Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 25 Feb 2021

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Now be recorded good morning, carroll county. This is uh commissioner, ed rothstein, and it is thursday.

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February 25th, the last open session for february of 2021. You believe we're going into uh into march.

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And uh looking like the snow is going to be behind us, it's beautiful blue sky, getting up to about 50.

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Degrees today, so life is good. As I like to say um what I like to do, as we always do is start with.

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Pledge of allegiance and then take a uh moment of silence and reflection.

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Of all those uh that are still being um you know, dealing with the covet and the pandemic.

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Giving strength and courage to them and also to our front line workers with that. Let's stand.

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Which allegiance one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty to justice for.

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I don't know about you, but I love that pledge. um What I like to do is uh before.

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We individually get into our priorities for carroll county in opening this session.

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I'd like to recognize a couple of folks: uh the first is, uh if ed singer and lee, if you can come.

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Up and leah is going to be leaving us in carroll county in the health department, after 30 plus.

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Years of service to our community, so uh from me to you lee, thank you so much and uh with that ed. If.

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You want to say a few words before commissioner frazier shares in the proclamation sure I'll.

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I'll share that uh and you can go ahead and leave your video on some people. Oh yeah, there you are.

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I just want to share I've known lee since, uh since the day he started working here and.

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I know when we uh when he originally came here. His intention was this was going to be a.

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A short-term job for him and uh he wound up sticking around a lot of years. One thing I'll.

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Say about lee? Is he really enjoyed when he was working in the field, helping people individually.

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To resolve whatever issues they had and one of the things I think, when the previous board of.

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Commissioners appointed me as health officer, they were a little concerned about, was uh you know the.

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Environmental health had a had a tendency at one point in time in my career, to be considered to be.

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A little bit heavy-handed with regulation and whatnot and uh we've got an important job to.

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Do in protecting the public health and we've always been focused on that, but uh the one.

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Thing that lee's done and and I appreciate it, is really emphasized uh the the importance of.

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Trying to protect public health, but also trying to help businesses and homeowners and individuals.

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Figure out a way to meet the requirements in in our regulatory requirements and and.

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And to protect public health while still being able to accomplish uh what they want to accomplish.

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So it's that kind of customer service that that uh that he's done a uh a wonderful job with and.

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Andrea hanley who's gonna be the new um environmental health directors on here with us.

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Today- and I just wanted to take the opportunity to introduce her as well while we say goodbye.

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To lee and and welcome andrea, um but uh I I you know, I'm hoping hoping that this will be a very.

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Seamless transition andrea's been with us quite a while um as well. Actually, she started before lee.

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So uh but uh lee's done a great job in ensuring that we're providing outstanding services to.

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Customers and citizens in carroll county and that we're meeting their needs, while still protecting.

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The overall health of the community, uh with our environmental health bureau and I'll I'll, stop.

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There, commissioner, and turn it back to you guys now. Thank you so much and uh lee. If you can.

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If you would like share a few words yeah, it's been a privilege to serve here in in every capacity and.

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Like I said, I started in 90 and I was a field inspector I guess in 95 I became supervisor.

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For our development plan review and just um have enjoyed each phase of my career here in the last.

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Five or so years in this role I kind of took with a little trepidation, but I found that I.

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Enjoyed it a lot and I'm especially working with our leadership team and and just um all the people.

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That we've interacted with our interactions with you, I've enjoyed those um and, like ed, said my.

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Kind of my biggest um pleasure here has been helping people kind of brainstorm and come up with.

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Solutions wherever possible- and so it's been um it's been really enjoyable to do. All of that, and I.

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Appreciate the opportunity to have served this way now lee thank you and uh leaders lead and lead.

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Again through selfless service that I think you've provided to.

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To our community, so thank you so much with that. I'd like to uh read the proclamation.

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Oh, I thought he said. Do you like to read? I was about to hand it over to you. That's great. That's.

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Okay, I appreciate you letting me do this again, commissioner, I'm here for you, lee broderick in.

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Recognition of his career and retirement lee began his employment with carroll county health.

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Department on february 21 1990, we are honored to celebrate his career of outstanding services and.

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Decisions of carroll county for over 31 years, lee consistently provided outstanding customer.

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Service and instilled a philosophy of trying to meet the needs of community members and.

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Businesses by finding a way to accommodate what a permit applicant wanted, while protecting the.

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Community from any potential adverse public health outcomes and lee worked cooperative cooperatively.

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With many carroll county government departments in developing processes, which were more efficient,.

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And best served on mutual clients and during the covet 19 pandemic, lee was not assigned to.

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A regular role at the health department emergency operations center, but relied on heavily to assist.

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With operations of the health department, he resourced staff to support the covet-19.

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Response by ensuring that the health department, critical activities continued being provided.

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Lee served as president of the environmental health directors conference and led the group.

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In handling legislation, legislative and statewide policy matters which impacted health, it's impacted.

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Public health, by ensuring laws, regulations and policies best meant the needs of carroll county.

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Citizens, lee nurtured a delegate program, a grant program. It's getting tough for best available.

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Technology for on-site sewage disposal systems, in addition to being involved in assessing water and.

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Wastewater problem areas now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, recognize.

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Lee's outstanding leadership and contributions, keeping carroll county citizens healthy and wish.

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Him many years of good health and happiness and hereby proclaim proclaim march. 1St 2021 is lee.

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Broderick day I'll hold this up to the camera. You can see it because I know you don't have it.

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Are you are you okay, they're reading that yeah I mean it seemed like it was tough sure it was tough.

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Does anyone uh and my fellow commissioners have anything they want to share at this point lee I.

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Just want to say thank you for 31 years of service to carroll county and as a side note ed. When.

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We appointed you as health officer. We had many concerns not just about the environmental health.

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You know sometimes you've got to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Commissioners, and- and I had concerns myself.

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Thank you so much. I just want to say thank you. I've had many citizens have problems or reached.

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Out to you, you went out you solved their problems or helped them solve. It worked through it and.

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uh For them I say thank you for me, I say thank you and andrea. You have big shoes to fill so good luck.

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And uh you won't be under edge heavy-handed tactics, I guess uh in environmental health.

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Commissioner, thanks. Thank you, sir mr roger. I thought the most enjoyable aspect of your job.

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Was working fed singer, but I guess I was wrong on that. I think everyone in that department's all.

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Miss you- and I know that you get a personal sense of satisfaction, doing what you've done throughout.

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Your career and as you retire, I hope you get to enjoy your grandchildren. If you have any spend.

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Time, family maybe do some traveling, but since you enjoy helping others, you know most likely you'll.

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Probably get involved in some volunteer work to fill your your time up and uh satisfy that void.

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Which I think will take place when you do leave your employment workforce, because obviously you.

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Have a passion for what you do and I hope any volunteerism you do in the future can help satisfy.

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That so thank you very much for your service of the county. Thank you very much, commissioner. Wentz.

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So lee good good morning, you and I have a little bit of a history.

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We uh we've gone round and round a lot uh when I was uh president of the fire association. There.

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Were a lot of questions as pertains to fire departments and and uh the things that were.

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Going on on carnival grounds etc, and uh we haven't always disagreed or all we haven't always agreed.

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On everything, uh you did your best to try to explain the code to me, which I still don't get.

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uh But maybe andrea will help me with that at some point as well, uh but you handled it with grace and.

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Dignity and that's what's important so for all of those times that you and I have disagreed.

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uh I thank you uh for your service to the county and for being uh very professional.

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uh With with the questions and the challenges that we've seen over the years, so my best to you.

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uh Your your job certainly wasn't easy and uh it's um it's always been very complicated, but.

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I appreciate your your service as well, as everyone else does too, and I wish you god speed.

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uh With retirement, I tried that for about six months one time- and it was pretty good uh so.

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So good luck in wherever life life takes you and and again, thank you for for all that you've done.

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For for carol and um see and and the bottom line is you don't have to argue with me anymore lee so.

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That's the best thing that you could get out of this retirement, so there you go. Congratulations.

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Hey as they say in the navy, bravo zulu job well done andrea welcome. uh You know.

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Hit the camera a second, what's that andrew because of technical difficulties.

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No problem just welcome to the new role and uh lee. Thank you again for all that. You've done so.

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um Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, thanks. What I'd like to do now is uh talk about a transition.

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It is not a time to formally recognize uh a departure, uh because that will also come.

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With a roast, which I am expecting to see, but I'd like to say thank you to tom bess.

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And announce the acting director, that's going to be taking the storm water management role.

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Of chris hine, so chris I'd like to say, you have big shoes to fill, but tom is a relatively small.

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Gentleman, so I think these shoes are not as big you're coming with a significant. You know.

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Level of expertise and experience, so I look forward to that and this transition between.

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You and tom upon his uh until his departure is gonna, be time really well spent. So.

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You know welcome into that new acting role and just wanted to say you know again tom. Thank you.

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For all you're doing um mentoring me and others using for me small words for me to understand.

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And uh you know being persistent in getting things done the right way. So I think that's.

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The uh the the key role or word I would use is that persistence in doing what's right. um But if.

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My colleagues would like to uh say something and either welcoming chris or having a pre roast of.

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Mr devilbiss have had it so um well. I think it's too early for that. I think it is yeah, but chris.

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I'm gonna disagree with my colleague. You have a huge uh set of shoes to fill and.

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I think that you will do very well in your acting role and uh we it's it's. It's a great advantage.

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To have this month, or so for tom to be able to give you a little bit more mentorship down there.

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Because it's a big department and there's a lot going on, so we look forward to what you bring to.

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The table as our acting director there thank you for stepping up and taking that position.

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Thank you, sir. You know mr hein, thank you very much for coming on board and filling this position. I.

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Was a little bit concerned that you might not want to take on this responsibility, and you know.

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How much I love your department, you guys take me hiking out in the woods we see wildlife. I love the.

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Environment and it's heartwarming to know that you guys on the front line protecting our environment.

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Because if we're not proactive with this now, then we're done losing the future.

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So I'm sure you don't be calling tom a lot on the phone to answer some questions when you're.

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In difficult situations or look he's giving me that, look, I think, he's all turned his phone off.

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But you're in good hands and I'm sure tom's always all be there for you when you need them.

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And best of luck and whenever you have any projects out there in the woods and.

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Streams or whatever get in touch with me, I'm more than happy to be out there and.

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Get out of the office, so thank you very much and best of luck to you.

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I see chris thank you for stepping up. I appreciate it.

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Take full advantage of this time. You have to work with tom in a transition, because.

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I have to say tom has: there was never a question. I asked that he didn't have an answer to so take.

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Advantage of his experience and his knowledge and I'm sure you'll do a fantastic job. Thank you. Chris.

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I just want to say chris: you have the confidence of the board of commissioners uh going in behind.

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You going into this so uh you'll do fine. I just want to know what happens to the rock collection.

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Okay, again just want to uh to formally recognize uh chris as the acting director and uh saying.

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Thank you for again, like others, have said, stepping up and uh as commissioner weaver.

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Shared having the full confidence of the board and moving forward so with that.

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If there's something you'd like to share with chris, I just wanted to.

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Yes, thank you. I just wanted to thank you all for the vote of confidence and uh as you've mentioned.

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Tom has a wealth of knowledge and and decades of experience that we'll be very sorry to see that go.

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But um I'm happy to step in and I will do my best for you all. Thank you. Fantastic and tom.

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You're not allowed to talk right now, because we we have plenty of time to roast you at a later time.

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So, okay, let's move on to uh priority carol, I love being able to do that. Let's start with.

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Commissioner, lance and we're gonna go down there down the line district. One district number one.

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There's a reason: it's number one right weber anyway, uh good morning, everybody wow.

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uh It's good to see everybody yeah. I know you know what amazes me. uh We had all that.

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We had all that snow on the ground we had about. I don't know almost 10 11 12 inches on the ground.

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Almost all of it's gone in a lot of places. Isn't it amazing how strong the sun is.

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So uh you know, as it begins to blossom here in the spring. I hope everybody takes advantage of.

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Getting outside this will help also with our coveted uh situation as well as we as.

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We can maybe get back outside. I feel like a I've, never been on this side of the of the.

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Of the dais over here, so I'm a little bit out of sync today, and I also because of you.

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Yeah yeah, I know because of the camera angle. I almost look like a little kid in a high chair.

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But it actually might be legitimate because uh I'm we're expecting a new granddaughter.

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Here within the next week or so so uh maybe I should get used to seeing in the high chair.

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Type thing here: um congratulations! Yeah! Thank you. I appreciate that uh in about well any any time.

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Now within the next week or two so uh families families growing. So that's a wonderful thing.

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One one really other quick thing uh as we continue to see the recovery. I hope and we're phasing back.

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In which is kind of what we're doing here today, uh we've got plexiglas in between us here and we're.

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Just we're trying to get things worked out, but we're facing back into some sort of normalcy. Here.

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One thing that I want to mention mention: there's a new restaurant coming to westminster.

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Mission barbecue and mission barbecue has always been a great friend to all public safety and.

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They have already reached out- and I want to thank my colleague commissioner, ed rostein.

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Who put me in touch with the owners of that great uh establishment and they have partnered with us.

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In one of the golf tournaments that I'm involved with and what they will bring to our community.

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Up there at 140 village shopping center is amazing, so we welcome them.

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I think they have a soft opening coming up in about three weeks.

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Three or four weeks march, the 20, something so uh good product, good people and we look.

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Forward to that and that's another good sign of recovery as we move uh hopefully into.

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A good place as we move further into code. Well with that said, don't let your guard down folks.

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Got to keep wearing the masks, as I said before, we got on the air. You know these things are starting.

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To really become a fashion statement so uh and a lot of people should wear them all the time.

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I'll, let that go. I was going to throw that over towards emery road, but I'm going to let him go.

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And uh mission barbecue by the way is also awesome: food, yeah yeah. So there's that, besides all the.

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Support there, so thank you, commissioner, osteen good morning, everybody and uh I will try to not.

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Go down like this or like anyway, are you done? I'm done, okay, district. Two, commissioner weaver.

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uh Okay, uh you know district two should be have part of district one if they redistrict properly.

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But we're not going to go there now um I was at the board of ed workshop meeting uh last night.

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And um just some interesting concerns they are, I'm not gonna steal, uh ed, singer's thunder here lately.

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But he did a great presentation of our rate, we're about 60 60.5. I believe- and it needs to go down to.

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To be in the rate they need to open, schools needs to drop another. I think 10.

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Percent or so for the positivity rate, and um that is coming. We hope if it continues the way it's.

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Going but they have some really major concerns here, but yet they're reaching out to parents to.

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See if they open schools, how many students will actually be back presently uh elementary has 56.

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Percent attendance, I think middle school is 44 and 34 attendance in high schools.

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If that continues, they'll have plenty of room, uh as students uh would come back for that four day.

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uh Type thing, but uh what concerns me even more is uh the vacancies they presently have.

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I think there's 23 current teacher vacancies, 62 instructional aids.

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And the last pool, I think they said there was five qualified applicants and and students support.

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98 vacancies and planned facilities, I think, was 18 vacancies. uh That's kind of.

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Interesting to see what they do, they have a month to put this together, but their plans.

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Being submitted to the maryland state department of education for approval or rejection, so um you.

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Know they're they put the plan together, it's up to the uh state of maryland, to approve it or not, and.

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See where they go so uh that'll be the determining factor. I think anything that happens for march.

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I think march 15th for elementary schools and the 22nd for middle and high schools.

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Thank you. Okay thanks, commissioner weber, commissioner frazier.

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Thank you uh first thing, I'd like to say is fashion statements, I'm wearing.

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A wrestling tie today and I have my gerstyle mask all that's to say that.

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Gerstel wrestling's having their first try meet of the year saturday there's uh it was.

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A kind of opt-in year because everything's strange with covet and uh so there's three b.

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Conference schools so we're all wrestling at the same time on this saturday at garcelle academy,.

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Hopefully there might be an independent state schools tournament uh in middle of march. That's.

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Not a completely uh settled on yet, but I'm hoping that they're they're looking in that direction, so.

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I'd like to have a tournament at the end of the year. One other note about wrestling a gentleman.

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I coached the last three years for his senior year, moved down to tennessee because of covet.

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They just finished their state tournament in tennessee and greg mekpak took third in.

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State, so congratulations greg nice job. I want to follow up on a couple things, commissioner,.

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Weaver said about the board of ed meeting last night: there's a couple things I and their plan.

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That bother me number one we're in the orange zone right now, as commissioner weaver did allude.

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To that, so our a number per one uh number of cases per 100 is a little too high right now.

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To go back um to school, you know full time with all the kids and the the term that they're using.

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In their plan is social distancing to six feet to the greatest extent possible.

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That term is only going to be used if we drop down to the next lower level.

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Which, hopefully, we will do but we're not there yet, although one of the board members, mr bigley,.

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Said that we will be down here before we go back to back into to uh to school with four days a week.

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I'm gonna give her a call right after the meeting to find out what my first of stock tips, because, if.

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She knows where numbers are going. I would like to have that information, because I like to make.

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A few extra dollars being a commissioner: they don't pay you enough. um What they're banking! This.

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Reopening on, or going back four days a week is the number of students that will be actually.

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Coming to school, they're bank they're, hoping that less than 50 percent, 50 or less would be.

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In elementary middle school and about 35 percent would be in high schools that way they can keep.

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Social distancy, which would be great if they can, but if more kids than that show up what's the plan.

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The plan is social distancing at least six feet to the greatest extent possible.

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That's not really a plan, so I I the plan bothers me they're, going through it forward.

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With it, they're sending it to the state and state ultimately has to say yes or no.

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We'll see where it goes, I'm hope I'm very hopeful that by the time this gets enacted whenever it is.

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That our transmission rate is low enough, so we can have other students back to school.

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But I'd like to be that low first, that that's just my feeling of it and that's.

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All I have thank you very much, okay, appreciate it, commissioner frazier commissioner boucher.

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Good morning, colleagues, with the sunshine and the weather, warming up and the infection rates drop.

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And I think it's put everyone not only us but out there in the public in a much better mood.

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And I'll start out here with the career technology center gave out two tool awards that I sponsored.

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During my tournament office to both a welder, this is tyler select the applied mechanical engineering.

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That that is machining trades, I offered scholarships to the school and they determine.

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The best thing for young tradesmen is tools, so this young man was the recipient of the award for.

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His tools to get his career started, and I believe the second person here is jacob staub and welding.

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And he has his tools and it's so important for these young men and women that get involved.

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In the trades- and I emphasize women because we're seeing more and more young ladies get.

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Involved in the trees that when they leave the schools, one of the first hurdles, they have to.

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Overcome is getting their money together to buy the tools to get started in their trade.

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So this scholarship, which I've been funding throughout my term, helps these young men and women.

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Get their tools together to go into the workforce? I think it's absolutely wonderful program. We have.

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Out there I'd like to thank dr echols and the entire board of education for the expansion of.

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That facility, I think, having a thriving career technology center is a foundation which brings a.

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Lot of corporations into our county to do business, they want to have a good skilled workforce.

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And it's a very intricate part of attracting that business and tax base to our community.

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So I'm wishing both tyler and jacob the best in their careers and also I went out on saturday.

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To the ebonyr ebenezer united methodist church in winfield off woodbine road for their food drive.

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This is a crew. What a wonderful bunch of people I stopped! I made a donation to them. I stopped and.

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Seen what they have going on? They have the cars pull up, they load the cars up and these people are.

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So enthusiastic, you can see the love in their heart that they're helping out your community.

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And this is just a small example of what takes place throughout her county. We have dozens and.

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Dozens of these food pantries that are non-profit based around their churches.

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And they're doing a wonderful service to our community, especially right now with the pandemic.

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There's a lot of people that are suffering from food insecurity. I think it's called.

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And they're just one piece and the many other churches and non-profits around the county.

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Helping out our citizens, so god bless these individuals and I was honored to do the tour.

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Commissioner boucher, thank you so much for sharing that um and you're absolutely right.

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There is still the challenges with the food insecurity across our communities.

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Those that wanting to help, like you, said the uh churches, the religious facilities, the.

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Service clubs, like the lions club and others, are all participating and there's plenty of ways to.

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Contribute your time and efforts in uh supporting our community, so I really appreciate that and also.

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Highlighting the career in tech um as as you've done, and it's that's great stuff. What I'd like to.

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Share without coughing is, I read a couple articles this morning regarding the flu season and february.

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Is supposed to be the highest part of the flu season, but they're not seeing a lot of the flu.

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And they're contributing that, because of washing our hands safe, distancing and wearing the masks. So.

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There is these effects of the due diligence that we have in our community by wearing these masks.

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And doing what's right and and with uh with that, minimizing the impact of the flu, so uh you know.

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Right now, I think, that's anecdotal and uh with the expectations that there will be some facts.

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Afterwards, on the impact of all this dealing with the flu, the last thing I want to share is.

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As I continue to get as we continue to get phone calls and emails and texts on different situations,.

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Happening in the community, I believe we are very responsive to you.

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The community and that's leadership: it has nothing to do with politics; it has to do with.

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Being a community servant and has to do with leadership- and I believe we are all committed.

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In doing that, so I just want to share that because I'm getting some some emails and appreciation when.

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We're responsive to those emails or phone calls, as uh as for the community, to continue to reach out.

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To us uh and we will be responsive, I don't want to talk collectively collectively for all of us.

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But I believe that is the sentiment that we that we bring to the table uh focused on leadership.

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And uh focused on community, not the politics that are surrounding some of the situations. Speaking of.

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Some of those politics um are there any additional state directives that we've heard of from either.

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Mako or our legislation, I don't think so. I'm looking to the two that represent us on mako.

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Yeah, this is a good segue because we did hear from, and I can't remember where he was from.

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The health officer yesterday dennis yeah, I don't know ed, will know larry. I want to say porter, maybe.

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From uh calvert county there you go yeah, so uh it was interesting because we had a presentation by.

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Steve schuh uh yesterday, which was very well done. We got a lot of statistics yesterday.

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On the vaccine, but you know the problem remains that the emphasis uh and ed you know this. We all.

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Know it now, the emphasis is still on these mass vaccination sites and that's taking the vaccines.

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Away from the local health departments- and specifically uh they were talking yesterday about.

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How great it would be if the physicians could get involved more because they best know their.

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Their patience, and because of the mass vaccination sites and the uncertainty of signing up for them.

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Is it is, is ridiculous right, it's it's just so uh it was sort of a we got. The presentation from.

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Steve shu and his folks and let me be clear, they're doing a great job, but we disagree in.

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Many aspects of that, but after that presentation then we had the the counter opinion. I guess from.

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From uh trump larry and and uh man did he hit home on a lot of issues yeah, he did his body's trying.

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Very very well, I just I still don't understand why we continue and listen hearing the folks that are.

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Having the problem signing up at m t bank- and it's it's a nightmare, how great would it be if we could.

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Do it here we know our citizens best, so I know it's frustrating. I know we can sit here and talk.

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About it all day and probably not going to change right but and steve after his presentation was.

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Asked the same question basically three times a little differently each time and the question was.

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Why don't you just give majority of the vaccines to the health departments in each county? They best.

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Know how to serve their people, how to get them out to the underserved populations? How to get to the.

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The people that really need the vaccines, why don't we just do it that way and and that question was.

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Asked three different or four different ways: right and, and I I realized how hard his job is, and I'm.

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Sure he gets that question every single day and he did a good job trying to answer the question.

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But what they're banking on is that very soon, we'll have a lot more vaccinate. Vaccines coming.

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Into the state, that's what they're banking on but right now we don't have it yeah. That was his.

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Pretty classic answer throughout all the questions was well. There's help coming right, wait, wait! A.

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Little while we'll have so many more vaccines. Well, I hope that's true. No, I I appreciate it and.

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For again that this discussion is not for us, it's for you, it's for the community right so to.

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Put in context, steve schuh is a former delegate, former county executive at anne arundel county.

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And he is now uh has been selected by governor hogan for over a year now to run the kovit 19.

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Task force and to be all coveted on operations and kind of facilitate.

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Operations for our state administration, with that he works with very closely with acting.

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Secretary uh schroeder, who is the health department and and his folks every week.

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Where we have a meetings with the maryland association of counties where commissioner frazier.

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And commissioner lance attend, I attend um every week a um a phone call, a 30-minute phone call with.

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Mr shu and secretary schrader and a whole host of others uh to talk about these uh issues.

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So that's kind of putting in context where we're at uh and we all, I think, talk to the gentleman.

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Who's going to get on the screen in just a second and ask mr ed singer, who has been um selfless in.

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Everything he has been doing in reaching out to our community um and uh with that ed I'd like you.

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To get on and share with us, where we're at with uh you know both coveted 19, the vaccinations and what.

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uh Expectations we should have over the next few weeks so ed good morning. Commissioners, I'm just.

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Going to go ahead, and uh sometimes I have a few comments before I roll right into my presentation.

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But I'm just going to go ahead and uh I think roll with the presentation this morning, because a lot.

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Of uh what I want to talk about is is uh right in the uh in the slides that I'll be sharing with you.

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Okay, all right um start with uh just some of the data. I know.

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That um that the uh the commissioner fraser had uh it shared with you.

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That uh wanna, that we're kind of in a uh you know in a high uh transmission uh well actually.

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We've gone from high transmission, which is the red zone to substantial transmission.

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Which is kind of the the area? That's in the orange by by cdc metrics, now the the only.

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Problem with that is um you know if you look at if you look at our week of uh february, the 14th.

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um The the cdc metrics the way they're calculated only include those confirmed, pcr cases in almost.

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Half of our cases that that we know are positive for covit are, are rapid tests that were done.

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We had about a hun a little over 100 cases that were pcr confirmed, but about 80, more cases that.

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Were not confirmed with a pcr that we're done by rapid tests so we're actually in a what's.

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Considered we've gone from a high rate of transmission to what's considered to be a.

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Substantial rate of transmission by uh by cdc metrics- and you know the thing that I'd point.

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Out to you is, if you look back, you know this is uh we're still at a higher point than we were uh in.

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Late october, in early november and and we're we've still got the spread. I I'm hopeful that and then I.

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Know I always hear commissioner rothstein tell me that uh hope's not a plan, but you know you can't.

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Predict where the numbers are going to go for certain, and we may see some some more lips on the.

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Screen peaks and valleys, but uh we've gotten over that big holiday hump we're getting more people.

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Vaccinated um springtime is when more people do activities outside. So you know we can all.

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Hope that the uh that the trend keeps in the downward in a downward manner. But we're not.

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It we're not in a great spot right now. We still have a substantial rate of transmission in carroll.

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County, we still need to stick to what we're doing to try to reduce our transmission rates.

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And uh you know we're we're looking to continue to see this trend move the way that it is and.

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You know more than anybody else. I I I want to get back to the life as normal and and uh and be able.

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To take a breath and and move on from this, it's it's going to be a few more months, though I think.

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You know, as we've talked about this over the last several months, I've told you that I would expect.

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That, maybe by summertime or fall we're going to get back to as close to normal as we can it's. It's.

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You know as vaccines more uh readily available and and we we knock these transmission rates down so.

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That's kind of where I see things where we are and where we're going with the uh with the.

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Cases, as you can see our 14 day, rolling average certainly shows that that same downward trend.

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And the only thing uh I'll mention on this slide here, and I mentioned it on the board of.

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Education meeting last night, our our cases and and uh the youth that are under the age of 18.

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They've always been relatively very, very low throughout most of this pandemic, where.

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And we were seeing less than five cases a a week in people under the age 18 until we got into.

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uh The october time frame and and um since october, we've seen this kind of align with.

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Where the trends are going and all the other age categories and.

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A significant uh greater number of cases in in uh in people under the age of 18.

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Hospitalizations by week, the hospital I'll say that they're able to take a little bit of a breath.

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Right now, too, the the most recent information that the hospital president shared with me is they've.

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Got about 15 people or so that are being treated for covet in in their uh in the in the hospital.

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I think um you know there's really. We never really set a baseline for this, but I kind of.

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Keep looking at where we were at the beginning of the pandemic, and you know the highest we reached.

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Were cases in the 20s that were were being treated in the hospital and I'm happy to see that that.

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We're down at least below that and and hopefully we'll continue to see a downward trend. There, too.

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This is our overall hospitalizations and and uh desk by age group.

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And the one thing that we don't have real good news on yet is is uh we're still continuing to.

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See fatalities from covid, both in facilities and in the community so far this week, that's.

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Not even on the chart, we had had three additional deaths last week and uh so far this week we have.

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Two additional facility desks and one more community desk, so they tend to lag the cases.

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Most of the time I think we're seeing when people die from covet. It's probably.

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You know, somewhere in the range of three to five weeks after they've uh contracted the.

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The disease so as we're uh as we're getting into uh lower numbers of uh people, testing positive.

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And a number of positive cases, hopefully we'll see this uh straight of death- require.

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Decline as well, um this is an important piece that I want to share with you today, and this is our.

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Our this is the new chart that I've added it's our ag center testing data.

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And what I want to draw your attention to is, if you look at where we are right now,.

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um Our demand for testing is down to the point where it was when we first.

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Kicked off uh testing up at the ag center and we were trying to ramp things up and.

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You know we we started with uh making 50 tests a day available when we were testing there.

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And- and we gradually um made more more and more slots available and during the peak of the.

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Of the pandemic, as far as the numbers are concerned, we were seeing we had a capacity.

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To test 250 people per day at the testing site, the uh the numbers have dropped off dramatically.

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Today, we've only got 10 people scheduled to come to uh to the mass testing site. I think part of.

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The reason is, is that testing is available not only through us but also through the.

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Through the urgent cares and some of the private pharmacies and because our numbers are so low, I.

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Believe we're going to look at and- and I want your input- I'm going to stop here when I'm done.

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Talking about this and just see if you have any concerns, but we're looking at moving to.

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Testing on sunday and thursday, rather than sunday, tuesday and thursday, it's just not.

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Efficient to run a mass testing site if you've only got 10 or 15 people showing up to be tested.

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And the numbers are just dropping off the table right now. We will have the ability that.

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If, if suddenly, you know, we had 50 people a day showing up, we could certainly go back to doing.

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Sunday, tuesday and thursday testing, it's just that it's it's a it's a lot of effort and all to stand.

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Up a testing site for a day and if we, if we're not getting at least 40 or 50 people in to be.

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Tested, it's not a lot of sense to run it uh three days a week, so we're looking to scale back.

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uh Possibly be beginning as early as next week to sunday and thursday, so I'm going to stop there and.

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Give you guys the opportunity that, if you have any concerns about that or if you've got any questions,.

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About that that you can go ahead and ask and then we'll move on with my presentation and I believe.

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Applying resources where it makes sense so uh yeah, I I 100 agree with you. I got tested as I shared.

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uh You know when you know we were quarantined. I got tested over cvs.

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One with a rapid and one with the uh pcr, whatever you call it, the long term.

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And I was able to get uh tested within the day uh of my request. I think they're out there.

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So yeah, if it's pulling your resources where they could be used somewhere else.

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To serve I'm, I think it's a very smart move, but that's my two sense, commissioner weber.

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Yeah and uh I see the school systems also looking to put testing system in for their employees and.

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Students, so if they have any symptoms, they go immediately for a test uh and that'll cut down.

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Probably your testing also at the ag center, so uh I think it's probably a smart move in your behalf.

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Yeah and- and I was going to cover that it's a you, jumped ahead of me just a bit, commissioner, and I'm.

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Going to cover that right after we're done talking about this anybody else regarding this well, I.

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Think it's a good idea to cut down on testing your site because, as uh commissioner rostein said,.

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You can almost go anywhere, you get a test now. I had actually got a test a couple weeks ago.

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I went online that day got a test that day to wrap a test and with 20 minutes I was told I'm.

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Cleared and then they took the other test and sent that away, so you can get a test so many different.

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Places, I don't think it's necessary to have it open three days a week at the ag center right now.

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Okay, anyone else, I think I think communications can be very important as we transition and.

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I'm sure that's going to be out there but uh yeah. I think it's a smart move. um I agree any.

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No hearing nothing else, uh ed, please continue, and the important thing to realize commissioners is if.

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We were to hit another peak um as long as we're, I'm not looking to totally shut the site down.

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And- and I don't think uh the state wants me to do that they they want us to continue to.

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Make sure that his uh testing's accessible, if we cut back to two days a week and as long as.

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We still have the relationship with the ag center and we've kind of got things in place.

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I can always put more resources towards it and ramp it back up. So I that that's where we're gonna.

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Be headed and I'm glad you guys are comfortable with it. um The thing that commissioner, yes.

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Just a quick question: what two days were you going to do? Did you say sunday and thursday sunday and.

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Thursday and it's kind of funny- I I I told the staff- I said so, um let's let's go to doing.

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Monday and thursday or tuesday and friday and they're like nope, we like sundays, and I was like.

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I was trying to give them the weekend off and they said no. They want to stick with sunday.

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Okay, well, that's why I asked because I know that the ag center has been trying to get more.

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Events scheduled up there and they're doing a great job. They've got really tremendous best.

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Practices in place up there, especially in the shipley arena, they've, got a counter that actually.

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Shows how many people are in and out the door, so my only my only suggestion would be. That's fine.

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Working with them, maybe they it would be nice if we could get away from that sunday. If we could at.

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Some point to allow them to maybe start to phase in a little bit more activity, because a lot of.

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The things that they do are on the weekend so that that was my only suggestion. There.

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Okay, well I'll talk to uh richard grace, who's running this site for us and and uh have him talk.

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To the staff that are working with him and see if we could uh take a look at that, uh the one thing.

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I will mention with the ag center and I've got a uh we're having some discussions. Some of these.

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Seated performances are still restricted by the uh the state orders. um There's a lot of things. They.

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Can do but there's certain things uh uh that that we're gonna have to talk about with them, such as.

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uh They're gonna do a tractor pool I'm not sure that they're gonna be able to do that. It's it's.

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It's we've got to look at how those orders apply and and things of that nature, so we're we're in.

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The middle of reviewing some some situations with them we've been trying to make sure that they're.

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Compliant with all the orders and whatnot that are in place, but uh we'll take a look at those.

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Dates as well and and try to see how we can best work that for them thanks. Okay, so on to the.

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The the testing that commissioner um weaver had referenced with the school system.

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The the governor offered a few weeks ago to make testing supplies available to the schools.

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I don't know if you all, if we've discussed this before or not, but essentially the health.

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Department is the medical oversight. Dr taylor is the medical director for the school system when it.

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Comes to anything that would require a doctor's order, so we're working very closely with the.

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School system to try to figure out how we would staff, essentially we're looking at regional sites.

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What we talked about conceptually to start with was was possibly having testing sites at each of.

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The high schools, because it's it's not practical for us- to put testing sites in each of the schools.

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Throughout the county, it's just staffing would be impossible. The the school nurses have enough on.

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Their plate- they just couldn't do this, so we we talked about looking for agency uh nurses,.

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And uh regionalizing test sites and having the feeder schools potentially uh come to.

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Each of the high schools now one of the things we were concerned about was not having to have.

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People track into the building who were sick, so so the school system is looking at options such.

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As potentially using empty portables, or something like that to have is the uh the testing site, but.

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The the concept is, is anytime somebody's sick. It might have coveted um that the parent has to come.

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And pick them up from school anyway, so we could do a consent form ask the parent to take them to.

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Wherever that regional testing site is that, whether it be at the high schools.

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Somewhere, that's going to be local, they would. This would solve the problem of them needing to get an.

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Appointment or do anything else and they'd be able to just go there and they would do a rapid test.

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And they send off a pcr test. This will help us in in trying to keep down the number of kids that are.

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In quarantine, because they've been exposed to somebody that has symptoms or is suspected of.

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Having covet and also if the, if the person doesn't, the staff member or the student doesn't actually.

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Have covet will be uh helpful in getting them back to school in a more timely manner,.

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And! Being able to clear them from uh from isolation and and be able to uh return to school.

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We haven't worked out all the details yet, but we're working very closely with the superintendent.

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And and his staff and and dr taylor and and uh felipa gomes who's uh oversees all the.

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All the nurses in the schools and carl stricker to uh to figure out exactly what this would look.

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Like and make this resource available to parents, I really think it would make things a lot more.

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Convenient for for the parents of students and for the staff just to have this test essentially.

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Testing on demand available regionally throughout our school system. So that's what that's! What.

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That's intended to look like, and uh you know we're hoping to roll that out in the early part of march.

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Okay, so getting uh getting back to our pyramid that we talked.

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We always talk about. I always throw this in there. We're still kind of in the one beat well we're.

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Still firmly in the 1b category, with what we're doing with our vaccinations right now and I know.

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I've got a lot of frustrated 65 to 74 year olds, who who were not we're not vaccinating yet that.

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That that are a little bit frustrated with us at the health department, because they've been on our.

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List for a long period of time- and we just haven't- had enough vaccine to vaccinate all the people who.

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Are over 75 and at much more risk? And you know you got to drill the line somewhere and as maggie.

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Coons, my bio puts it. This was a really bad year to be 74. If you wanted to get vaccinated because you.

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Know we are, we are focusing on the 75 plus and, and I get people that call me every day saying well my.

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Birthday's in six months can I get a and you got to draw the line somewhere and we're trying to be.

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As fair about this as we can and we, we appreciate people's patience and I'm going to talk a little.

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Bit as we get into these slides about where I think we are and where we might be going.

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So, as I mentioned, we're mainly doing uh 1a and 1b right now,.

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And I'm going to go ahead at this point on this slide and talk a little bit about the registration.

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System's been a nightmare for us, it was given to us by the state they're not using it at their mass.

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Vaccination sites because they figured out that it didn't work really well for them and and.

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So they're going to a different system, but it's it's! That's only going to be for.

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The mass vaccination sites we're still going to be using prep mod.

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However, we've really been pushing the state to make enhancements to the registration system and.

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One of the problems we've had is um is using these links, and I've talked about people.

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Sharing links- and there are a lot of good hearted people out in the community that want to help some.

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Of the elderly folks get registered and in some of our sign up sheets, I've got uh 200 people who are.

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Signed up that are over 75 all with the same email address, because some friend from a church group or.

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Something signed them up and it's very confusing to them right now, when they receive a link as to.

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Who we're vaccinating? Who this is uh offered for, and uh you know we try to make it clear in the.

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Email that goes out but they're never sure whether it's specifically for commissioner wants or for.

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Commissioner weaver the state's supposed to be rolling out a new enhancement. uh That's supposed.

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To start tomorrow, or we're going to be able to upload a a list of names and email addresses.

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And send out a link, that's specifically for that person and it'll come out and it'll say.

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Commissioner, weaver you're being uh invited to register for for a vaccine for through.

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Carroll county health department clinic on this date and this time and click on this link and.

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You can sign up that link will only work once so. If commissioner weaver sends it to commissioner.

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Boucher and boucher beats him the signing up, weaver's not going to be able to uh sign up.

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For the clinic, so um it's gonna be very helpful to us in trying to reach those those uh people that.

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We're targeting in our clinics and it'll help, um I guess, eliminate some of the frustration we.

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Have with people who are trying to sign up for clinics that they're not eligible for? Because.

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This is going to specifically target an email address and a person's name, and it's going to.

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Be good once and and and uh they can sign up for the clinic and we can get them registered and.

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You know I've said a number of times that uh when people come to the clinics, they've been very happy.

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With how how well things are run there, you know I've had no control over this registration system.

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And this has been the the big point of frustration for citizens in our county and hopefully these.

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Enhancements are going to help make this uh this better and less frustrating for people.

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It's not going to make them get vaccinated any quicker. So if they're frustrated, because they're.

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65 and ed singer won't go on to uh vaccinate 65 year olds until it gets done to 75 year olds.

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It's not going to help with that, but it will help with the problems we've had with registration.

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So this is our graph on the vaccine. Rollout um we've we've uh we're essentially getting.

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A thousand doses a week now and we're getting projections four weeks out, which is helpful.

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It's helped us in our planning and if you'll notice, if you're looking at some of these.

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uh The green, the green thing is how how much we're allocated for each week and you'll see in a couple.

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Places where the blue bar exceeds the green bar and what's happening, there is now that I know.

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That I'm getting a thousand doses per week, they generally show up on a monday or a tuesday. I can.

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Actually use them the same week that I'm receiving them, so I'm I'm forward. I guess I'm forward.

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Fronting some of this vaccine without taking a risk that we're not going to have vaccines, show.

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Up and have to cancel a clinic, for instance this week. What I did was, I told the school.

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System I'm going to give you. uh I promised them a certain percentage of our doses every week, so.

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For for the next three weeks, I knew I was going to give them 150 doses, plus I owed them. 50 doses from.

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Last week, so we took all those doses that we're going to give them over the next three weeks and.

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We vaccinated uh 500 people over at winter's mill, 500 teachers and other educational staff over at.

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Winters mill- and that means they won't get doses for the next two weeks. But we've uh been able to.

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Get some of the teachers vaccinated sooner and get that vaccine out, essentially the the uh within a.

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Within a day of receiving it, as opposed to waiting, six or seven days till we, we can actually get a.

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Clinic scheduled so we're putting a little bit of that up front now and uh we're doing a really.

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Good job uh last week, when I looked at the chart, we were at 104 of our first doses, administered.

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And that was because um you know we are getting a little bit out extra out of some of the vials. So.

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Our um our staff are just doing a great job in getting people vaccinated. um This is the.

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uh This is where I want to talk about our plan, where we are, what we're doing.

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Who we vaccinated and what we think we've got left so we'll start with our plan and and well.

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I guess I want to start with where we are. The um we've got about uh we've we've vaccinated about.

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Almost uh 4 600 people in the education sector, and that includes private schools day, cares.

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And carroll county public schools, um I think we're pretty much done with the demand that we had in.

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Group 1a, which is the healthcare providers and first responders we're not getting a lot of demand.

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From those folks to sign up for additional clinics, I offered a clinic last monday that was for for.

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For private schools and daycare providers and m1a and the clinic did not fill up so.

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We opened it up the uh the public schools. I I had that separate set aside for public schools.

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For for vaccine- but this was specifically for daycare providers, private schools and.

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And for uh and for people who would be in group 1a and that clinic didn't fill up so.

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We're not planning on having a another clinic for that targeted population.

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In the very near future, although some people reached out to me after the uh clinic was over and.

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Said, oh, we need a uh we've got more people. We need to be vaccinated, so I do have a small list that.

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We may work on at some point in the future, but we've hit most of the majority of our.

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1A, our private schools and our in our day cares and with the public school systems we've gotten.

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I I think, we're probably at about 60 to 70 percent of uh of of the uh public schools, um folks that.

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We've reached we've: we've got uh about 1700 left from uh the information that I talked to carl.

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Streaker about about 1700 left that still want to be vaccinated that are in the public school system.

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And maybe some of them will get vaccinated somewhere else and maybe they'll get vaccinated.

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Through us- but you know over the next month- hopefully we'll knock most of that out.

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As far as the 75 plus population is concerned, we're getting to about half of those right now.

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And I can't say what percentage of them aren't going to want to get vaccinated or are going to.

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Win and get vaccinated, but the last clinic we did. We did a clinic uh up at the north.

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Carroll senior center and we reached about 600 people there this week and that one was.

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A tough one because most of the people we signed up didn't have email or technology.

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And and trying to sign them up for their second doses, kind of back things up a little bit there.

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At that clinic and and was a little bit more of a wait for people to get out of there, where.

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Generally, we've been getting people in and out of the clinic within 20 to 25 minutes.

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Some people were there for 35 or 40 minutes, which I don't think is terrible, but uh a few people who.

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Didn't have technology needed to wait in order for us to help them schedule their second appointments.

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um We've got a full court press on this week to try to get people signed up. We've got two clinics.

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In westminster that are scheduled for tuesday and wednesday at the westminster senior center.

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um They'll they'll consist of uh it's a total of 800 slots, we're working with your citizen services.

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Department and all the all the health department staff that are making calls to try to sign people.

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Up who don't have email or access to the internet and get them scheduled here in in westminster?.

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I do think uh the the demand for the 75 plus is is dropping off a bit, and um you know we.

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May, within the next three to four weeks, start opening things up to people who are 65 and older.

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um So the other thing that I've been trying to do is set aside about 50 doses a week to.

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Try to reach hard to reach populations, um we're going to be doing a clinic in conjunction with.

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With access carol this week at their at their facility to reach some high risk patients that.

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That they have and people who are over, that age of uh 75 and and just a really hard to reach.

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Community there's a lot of uh folks that they serve, that that could potentially be homeless.

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Or or uh potentially be uninsured and just not have technology so we're doing a clinic with them.

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uh This week and then the next couple of weeks, we're gonna work with lifebridge and we've got.

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This thing we're calling a fly car and essentially we're gonna, uh give them some doses, they're gonna.

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Go out and uh they're gonna administer these to people who are homebound and and then they're.

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Going to uh pick up more doses from our mass clinic and go out and hit some more homebound.

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People I've got a list of about 40 people that that the citizen services department gave me that.

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Are not able to leave their homes, and so we're hoping to have those people vaccinated in the next.

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Week or so additionally, um you know where we're going from here is uh is trying to.

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Set aside a certain number of doses to reach any hard-to-reach population, I've assigned sue doyle.

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Who's, our behavioral health bureau chief to be what we call our equity office officer and.

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She's working with citizen services to look at subsidized housing and other places where we have.

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People who don't really have access to technology to try to make sure we get those people vaccinated.

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And one of the important pieces that we've talked about, but I want to make sure.

C

We keep advertising this, and I talked to commissioner rostein about this last night.

C

Is that uh you know the county's offered to provide transportation to and from the.

C

Vaccination clinics, if, uh if somebody has a challenge with transportation and and.

C

um That's that's a great service we're providing to our citizens. I've emphasized this to our staff.

C

Who were signing people up? And you know it's funny, because I I was personally sitting uh sitting here.

C

One day and I had mound up with a lady and I occasionally do wind up with individuals who.

C

Are having a hard time getting signed up for a clinic, and I I I tried to help walk her through.

C

Getting her signed up and when we got towards the end she's like I'm, not sure. If my son's going to.

C

Be able to take me that day and as I'm sitting here, one of my staff walked into the office he's.

C

Like don't forget, you can get him transportation. I was like oh yeah, so I was like well if your son.

C

Can't take you to that day, you can call and we can get you a ride. So it's an important.

C

Piece that we need to be thinking about, and we need to be advertising better to make sure that.

C

People know that not having transportation is not a reason that they can't get vaccinated and and.

C

You know the the um the state uh department of aging really wants us to focus on certain.

C

Certain um independent living facilities and that's just not working with the way we have.

C

Things planned, I think, we're better off we're we're going to uh regional sites throughout the.

C

County we're reaching the people we need to reach, and if we need to get them transportation, we can.

C

Get them there, I'm trying to get large numbers of doses out in a day, as opposed to going to a.

C

Place where there are 20 or 30 people, it's easier to bring those 20 or 30 people to us we're going.

C

To reach the homebound, we're going we're going to make sure that everybody's given an opportunity to.

C

Get vaccinated who's vulnerable and that's kind of the way that we're we're working through this.

C

Another piece that'll be interesting to you: guys is we're planning on sending out invitations to.

C

The folks for the continuity government, that means we can get our commissioners vaccinated our county.

C

Administrator, our our town managers, our mayors and and the council presidents, somewhere down the road.

C

In three or four weeks, we'll be looking at trying to vaccinate some public works people the people.

C

Who run our water plants wastewater plants and uh maintain critical infrastructure? That's still.

C

A little ways out but the week of march, the 7th we're going to be working on that on those elected.

C

Officials and and essentially the uh town and county managers and um we're going to be trying to.

C

Start with the higher education folks also that week we're looking at potentially putting another.

C

uh Another 75 plus clinic down in the in the south carol area so just wanted to.

C

Kind of give you an update as to where we are and where we're going with. All of this.

C

I know it's been a lot of information this morning. I've been trying to give you what I.

C

Think you need to know without making it too long. Of course check. Our website call our call center.

C

Anything we can do to assist people with trying to help them navigate this process. We want to do.

C

We're still very much resource constrained, we don't have enough vaccine to vaccinate.

C

Everybody who wants to be vaccinated and we've got to reach the most vulnerable people first, so.

C

That's all I have in commissioners. I'd be glad to uh to take any questions. You would.

C

Have in reference to what I just presented and as always, thank you um any questions, comments.

B

Direction I just want to thank, I want to thank mr singer and mrs coons for coming on every week.

I

I think the service you provide during session is so beneficial to our public, but the charts.

I

And grants and put in perspective it makes their job easier because if they weren't getting this.

I

Information from you in these sessions they'd be calling us wanting to know stuff that we.

I

Don't know so, as always, thanks for all the effort you guys put into putting this together, it makes.

I

Their job easier and it eliminates a lot of rumors and innuendos out there when people are ignorance.

I

And they they worry about stuff. So all this information is real beneficial to the publisher.

I

Thanks for all the effort, you and your staff put into this okay, so yeah, please so with that said,.

D

uh I appreciate it too, but I've got one two, three, four, five, six people that have contacted.

D

Me in the last 48 hours, ed in my district, all of them over 75.. What do I tell them.

C

Commissioner, if, if you've got a list of four people, send it to me, um I've got six right now.

D

And I know they're all over 75 and you know my district. My district has a lot of folks over 75.

D

And- and I you know, I appreciate what commissioner boucher said, but most of those folks don't watch.

D

Us on on tuesdays and thursday mornings, nor do they have a computer, nor do they have internet.

D

To be able to do that, so um I need to tell them something right and and and we're trying to reach.

C

Out through uh citizen services and all and first of all, I want to verify that we're trying to we.

C

We've we've tried to reach everybody who's on our list. Some people aren't calling us back and aren't.

C

Answering the phone I mean, I can't register them if they don't answer the phone. That's.

C

That's a hard part, but if you send me a list of people who who you know want to be vaccinated.

C

We'll reach out to them and we'll make an effort to uh to register them for a clinic. So if you've.

C

Got a list you know any of your commissioners. If you've got a list, please send it to us we'll.

C

We'll uh we'll work on it. If you got a name in the phone number, we'll we'll try to get to them, yep.

D

I've got all that so I'll get that to you later on this morning. Thank you thanks anything else.

B

Okay, again, a lot of information uh to be shared, and thank you for uh coming on ed.

B

Thanks commissioners have a great day thanks: let's move on to uh firing ems.

B

uh Director bob mccoy should be on share with us. What's uh what's happening uh from.

B

Tuesday to today and what you want to share with us all right good morning, commissioners.

K

I appreciate the opportunity to join you again um chris. If I can share my screen for a presentation.

K

All right, thank you, chris all right, as we have done weekly, I'm not going to go through the.

K

Initial three primary questions we've been through that, but I will scale through the slides for.

K

People to get a quick glimpse of, but what we want to talk about today is right here. Yes,.

K

But what we want to talk about is the milestone goals that we've been touching on with the updates.

K

Since november 12th we've been working on the mou budget, hiring in the public.

K

Safety training center. Those are the goals that we've been working towards.

K

So today's objective is to present station staffing and safer grant options for fy22.

K

There's no action required of the commissioners today. This is basically information presented.

K

For review, but we will be returning each week, obviously, but we will be returning next week.

K

For direction on the safer application, we will need a decision on that. So when we look at our.

K

Current staffing carroll county is comprised of 14 fire and ems stations. 13 of the 14 currently have.

K

Station employees employed through funding and fundraising activities of each volunteer station.

K

Our recommendation has always been to transition employment responsibilities uh from the stations.

K

To the county to mirror the existing employee complement, basically, westminster has 24 positions.

K

Assigned we would fulfill 24 positions and try to mirror those that service delivery.

K

When we look at the assignment of personnel, we're giving you a breakdown.

K

That we've been utilizing in the budget process, we have one station that will require 24 personnel.

K

At station 3 in westminster, one station that would require, or I'm sorry, three stations.

K

That would require 20 personnel station 12 in sykesville, one in mount airy and five in tony town.

B

Bob is that 20 total is that 20 per station 20 per station. I'm sorry.

K

And then the 12 per station for the remaining nine stations that excludes harney. uh What this.

K

Basically gives us is a minimum of one evod and one ems crew at all stations. It provides.

K

One evod and two ems crews at the stations, twelve one and five, the stations that have twenty.

K

And at station three in westminster, it provides two ems crews.

K

One evod and one officer which they currently have now are you, including recentness as well.

K

That's correct nine six: this encompasses all stations with the exception of harney, okay,.

K

So our original department hiring goal uh was by monthly, hiring effective july 2021. That's.

K

What has driven our work steps all the offices in the county government that will be impacted.

K

By the fire ems department, we would prioritize by staffing the busiest stations first, which would.

K

Provide service to the highest populated areas, the highest call volume areas would also provide us.

K

The ability to evaluate the employment processes that are in place and get an idea quickly.

K

What the needs of the other departments within county government are to support.

K

The fire ems department and to provide optimal coverage for effective use of available funding.

K

So hiring options, new considerations we understand this is going to be.

K

A difficult budget process based on many factors, both legislative.

K

And needs of the county we understand the goal is, may be adjusted based on the budgetary priorities.

K

And to achieve the maximum employee coverage for fy22.

K

We do want to reinforce that this safer grant is available to us.

K

So, to go over the safer grant briefly, carroll county is eligible to apply.

K

We have confirmed recently what used to be a step down. Funding over a three-year grant is.

K

The last two fiscal years they have, the federal government has made it 100 percent.

K

Salary and benefits for all three years there is no cost share or maintenance of effort associated.

K

The there are no budgets planning restrictions, which is huge. Application is due march 12th.

K

The awards usually start mid to late may and usually are completed by the start of the next.

K

Federal fiscal year in october first, so that leaves us with uh two hiring questions.

K

uh That we need to to work on and that's how many stations do we want to budget for.

K

And how many safer positions would you like to apply for so I want to switch to.

K

K

That we were working on.

K

First, one is going to be the safer grant. Can everybody see that okay, we can.

B

Okay, all right, when we look at the safer grant- and I I had the opportunity to sit down with.

K

Chris weinbrenner and roberta on this and really bounce some ideas off of each other.

K

With the exceptions that are being permitted with the safer grant for this fiscal year, I absolutely.

K

See no reward in not applying for this grant. When you look at the risk associated by not applying.

K

It will be 100 percent county funding. To start this up, we lose the opportunity to.

K

Utilize federal funds to get started there will be a delay in providing personnel.

K

Assistance to the volunteers which has driven the county to develop the fire ems department.

K

Potential continues for response deficiencies and we're not sure of the future of the grant. Every.

K

Year, the amount of funding and whether the grant will be continued is always in question. So those.

K

Are the risks associated? So when we look at option of the option two which is applying for the grant.

K

We look at the rewards and we're looking at federal funding for salary and benefits.

K

No cost share it's a hundred percent funding for salary and benefits.

K

uh Budgets to planning exception for fy uh for the fiscal year; no maintenance of effort potential to.

K

Meet the original fy 22 goal of six stations, utilizing both budget and or safer funding.

K

It will assist in long-term budget development as you work on your six-year plan.

K

uh It allows for strategic placement of personnel to be achieved, as I stated before, that the.

K

Original goal of six stations provides coverage, effective coverage to all regions of the county.

K

And will allow us to be able to re-evaluate if conditions change over the next year.

K

Assists we, we do have an advantage of being a new department with the first application. We've never.

K

Applied before system meeting, nfpa 1720 as far as deployment of resources and response times for.

K

Volunteer stations reduce need for mutual aid. If we have staff units that one unit can handle.

K

A call I give an example, my neighborhood often times, depending on the time of day,.

K

Sometimes it takes three ambulances to handle. One call based on the staffing provides us.

K

Options to staff additional ems units, it will provide consistent ems supervision across the.

K

County instead of 13 individual employers, we will be able to provide a supervisor per shift.

K

For all the ems providers and definitely will give us opportunities for operational enhancements.

K

Peak period units the ability to move personnel and physical resources to cover gaps.

K

The risk basically does uncover soft costs. Uniforms protective clothing, things like.

K

That things that we're gonna have to pay for regardless and we do assume all costs on year. Four.

K

So that's where I'm at on the safer grant. I'm gonna switch real, quick.

K

And please stop me if you have any questions, I'm going to switch real, quick to the hiring options.

K

And what we did is we did another matrix of three options and looking at it strictly from.

K

A budgetary perspective, budget, two stations, budget, three stations or budget four stations. uh We did.

K

Believe, uh through discussions with my budget analyst and with roberta four may be the maximum.

K

That we would look at for a budget this year. That's before we had any information based on.

K

Safer, so we budget two stations estimate about 1.7 million above what we currently spend.

K

Reward is that's the minimum county investment, but the other reward is the two busy stations.

K

Would be staffed through budget, so we continue to do in order of activity. Station 3 and westminster.

K

Station 12 in sykesville will be chosen that is 50.49 of the call volume in carroll county.

K

Risk limited resources to assist in service delivery.

K

Longest delay in providing volunteers assistance if we only do two stations in one fiscal year.

K

Potential for continued response deficiencies we still are basically operating as individual.

K

Companies with individual employers at each station minimal economies of scale as the applies.

K

To the county, the least budget, efficiencies least operational consistency and still the most burden.

K

On the individual fire companies now with this matrix it the risk and rewards gradually increase.

K

And or decrease as you go to option two budgeting three stations, so I'll move over to state option.

K

Three, which is four stations, that's estimated at about 3.7 million above what we spend currently.

K

The reward four stations will be covered through the budget, and that is 65 percent of the call.

K

Volume in carroll county for this fiscal year it will provide the most assistance to the volunteers.

K

Based on this plan, it provide the least delay in providing that assistance.

K

The best economy of scales for fy22 the least amount of burden on those.

K

Individual volunteer companies that provide that 65 percent of the coverage.

K

Most budget efficiencies will assist greatly as we move.

K

Into the next fiscal year being able to evaluate the impact of four.

K

Stations on the county budget, it will provide the most operational, efficient consistency.

K

For this fiscal year and it continues to move us towards the one department concept.

K

We put in risk there's still potential for response deficiencies with only four.

K

Of 30 stations covered.

K

So when we talk about the budget requirements, the safer opportunities.

K

We definitely need to approach from the perspective that safer is not guaranteed.

K

You are faced with prioritizing a great deal of needs this year. I've watched all these meetings.

K

And I know a lot of legislative items and just the fact that the fire department is starting up.

K

There's a lot of prioritizing that needs to happen, but as a county government, we are now committed to.

K

A fire ems department and our volunteers need our assistance, so it is my recommendation.

K

That budget, based on the public priorities but utilize the safer opportunity to reach our goal.

K

Of six stations for fy22, with the exceptions presented in the safer notice of funding, we.

K

May not get this opportunity again to request this amount of systems for the initial startup.

K

And move some of those costs down the road to where we can better prepare for that. So I.

K

Appreciate this opportunity to present to you um and I'm available for any questions you may have.

B

Okay, bob thanks um comments. Questions discussion on go ahead under level four. You had 3.7 million.

H

Or whatever, uh does that include additional staffing where you will need in the county.

H

Like with hr and those type things to support this, or is this just only the fire department.

H

Salaries at that point, to my knowledge, if I remember correctly, I don't know if ted's on.

K

With me, that was basically the salaries and benefits of the fire ems department.

H

So you don't have an idea of an additional cost to the county for.

H

Or maybe tents here now you know the other things we're not seeing here. That's going to cost.

K

That's correct and just for clarification that I did not add for simplicity. The.

K

These estimates are based on hiring all these stations on july 1st. It does not.

K

Take into account if we stagger the hiring and maybe move the second station six months away,.

K

This is all just based on a full year of salary and benefits for each option.

L

Okay, it does include the assumption of some or some internal staff, but maybe.

L

It might not be everything that we're going to need to look at right now. It does include.

L

Assume three positions in human resources, one in risk management and one in budget.

M

And though, if if we apply for the safer grant as it's written today, this year's.

M

uh Grant opportunity all of the fire ems costs for salary and benefits would be paid for.

M

By the grant, if we were successful um for the first three years um and as bob said of course,.

M

Then the county would have to pick up year, four and beyond, um but uh but the, but that would only.

M

Be for the fire ems personnel, so any of the costs associated with those hr or um budget or risk.

M

uh Positions would still remain, as would those soft costs that bob referred to earlier.

B

Bob please take down the uh slides so see: go ahead: commercial, frasier, yeah.

F

Bob I have a question: can you apply for the safer grant one time? In other words, if we.

F

Let's just say just for sake of argument: we went with option one right now, so this year we start.

F

With two stations we apply for safe for grant for them. Next year we go for two more for whatever it.

F

Is can we apply for another safer grant for those other stations at that time and do that.

F

So you get three years from that time as well yeah you can have concurrent uh safer uh awards.

B

Is that normal? Does that happen? um There's only approximately 300 awards made nationally.

K

Per year, um so that's why uh you know: I'm not I'm not confident that we could get two in a row.

K

Or two over three years, I do feel being a new department with a startup based on how we write.

K

The narrative we have our best shot this time, so that's a significant assumption that we get at.

B

One time that we may a second time but right, the assumption is that we would be picking up the bill.

B

After three years correct after four fourth year, that's correct and the the one of the big.

K

Key issues with safer is they also uh provided exceptions to high back employees that are laid.

K

Off so a lot of times we're competing with larger cities that have faced layoffs in public safety.

B

It's just this false sense of security after you know achieving where we're going with a three-year.

B

Grant, which is not a bad thing, because it's given us, you know three years, but are we kicking the.

B

Can down the road before we have to make decisions? So that's the good thing about having a five-year.

F

Budget cycle right ted- yes, grants scare me, but this is one that I think we're going to need.

H

uh Because of the fourth year look out, it has like a a brick but um yeah. I do. We have.

H

Any idea on all the soft costs what they add up to be roberta ted. Any idea on that, in addition,.

L

What are you calling soft costs? All the uniforms, all the things that aren't in the grant.

H

I mean somebody has to be looking at an idea here, what that's going to cost additional.

L

Yes, we do have estimates, I don't have anything sitting right in front of me.

K

Yeah I've been working with taylor. um Taylor, I believe, might be out today.

K

We do have money set aside for ppe for uniforms items like that. That's also an item. That's going.

K

To be addressed through the mou and working with each station is any employees that were.

K

That do transition from station employment to county employment, the ppe and maybe the non-um.

K

The uniform items that don't have identifiers on there like an individual, volunteer patch or logo.

K

Should be able to transition and those employees should be able to continue to utilize those.

K

Which should share save us some of those expenses so right now we we do know that we would have to.

K

Fully outfit any new employees that come that come to the count and we have money budgeted for that.

B

Okay, now anything else, yeah, commissioners, just there's a couple other, not so obvious things.

L

That ought to be in your thinking. um One remember we we have to hire all these people, you know so.

L

One thing that we we need thinking about is: how quickly can we.

L

Hire people and then that also ties to a provision of a safer grant. If we are awarded, we have to be.

L

Using it within 90 days, so that means we need to be very confident that, however many people.

L

Might get work that we can actually have that many people working uh very very.

K

Sick, wasn't it six months ted we had six months: uh okay,.

L

I might be wrong yeah, I believe it's six months uh to uh from recruitment to hiring.

B

Okay, did I miss the did. I miss the breakdown of the individuals. We would be hiring uh their.

D

Their level of training absolutely because we can only hire, we can only hire firefighters, correct.

D

You can you can hire firefighter emts firefighter paramedics under the safer grant. Okay.

D

Because that that I think needs to come into play here too, uh you know the emphasis has always been.

D

That you know ems is is the most urgent issue that we have right now uh and listen. I'm all about.

D

Safer grants, I think they're they're they're great uh the problem is it drops off the edge of the.

D

Cliff but after three years, so you really got to make sure. But again that's why we do our five-year.

D

Budget, so that that's good, but um the the emphasis has always been on ems, and so I want to make sure.

D

That, if we're going to go through with this, that can we set parameters of who we're hiring.

D

And to to be blunt, I guess I don't want to throw.

D

50 firefighters into our stations.

D

When we need ems, that's where we're really that that's that's where we should be.

D

uh Focusing on right now um so shouldn't we be able to prioritize. Well, that's where I mean I'm.

D

Not I've done these safer grants before, but not to this level. So you know how do we prepare as.

D

A county to ensure that we are putting an emphasis on ems with the safer grant application we we will.

K

Be hiring or striving to hire firefighters, slash ems, whether they're firefighter emt or firefighter.

K

Paramedic not assigning them in the stations per roll, we will be providing resources to the.

K

Stations for the volunteer officers to assign, and if that priority at that station, is the ambulance.

K

Then that those employees county employees will be assigned to the ambulance to meet the ems needs.

K

But we are providing cross-trained employees for the volunteers to utilize as they see fit.

D

D

We've got: I'm we've got six months to hire these folks once we are given.

D

uh Once we, they say for grant is accepted in carroll, correct.

D

That's correct so between now and then anticipating that we probably would get something.

D

uh Because we are a new department, uh I would ex. I would assume that you're that you will be.

D

Putting together a prior prioritization list of of where the individuals need to go again, I.

D

Want to be clear here that this whole time that we've been working on this it's it's been about.

D

Emergency medical services- that's why I was I want to that. The focus needs to be on that so.

D

I listen, I don't. I think it's a good idea. I really do as long as we put the right emphasis.

D

On the right personnel, I don't it's going to save us at least out of the gate for the first.

D

Three years a good bit of money, it really is, and maybe, if we do put in for those, we can.

D

We can then put our focus with our own money, our own budget, money on other personnel or something I.

D

You know you know instead of trying to get on all in right away, so.

D

What what's your, how many people would you be putting in for bob again, I saw the slides, but I'm.

D

I'm trying to break this stuff down. I guess you'll give us the you can give us the powerpoint, but.

D

uh How many personnel would you be putting in for with the initial application for the safer grants.

K

That'll be based on your decision of how many you want to budget and how many you want to apply if.

K

You want to apply for the section for the fy 22 goal of six stations: uh 108 personnel, total, okay,.

B

Well, I apologize say that one more time it would be 108 if we wanted to meet all six.

K

Stations for fy22.

F

But you only had four on that on that chart. You showed us that was for. That was how many you.

K

Want to actually budget if the safer grant is not approved well. Well, that's the way we have.

F

To look at it and then, and even if we get to save for grant, which would be fantastic.

F

We still have to budget for that in the out years. So that's the number I would be looking at.

F

So but yeah you only gave us the number for up to four stations not up to right. So.

F

We're gonna have to look at that with the six. If you want us to look because I don't have.

F

The number for that yeah without the safer grant the two year two station plan is 44.

K

The three station plan is 64 and the four station plan is 84.

D

44., you said 44, 64 and 84 right, bob, that's correct! Okay,.

B

Yeah yeah go ahead; it's your it's, your feeling that that that we stand a really good chance. We.

D

Should ask for as many as we can, because we stand a good chance of getting them because of the fact.

D

That we're a brand new department is that your is that, where your your thinking is there, my yes.

K

My my belief is: we have committed to building a fire and ems department, so we're going to address.

K

The personnel needs eventually, uh depending on how many fiscal years it takes to do that.

K

But this is an opportunity for 100 salary, benefit funding and I think we should take the biggest.

K

Bite of the apple we can right, although the phased-in approach is really attractive too.

D

Because if we put a safer grant in and do the first phase now and then next year we put another.

D

Safer grant in and and get another grant yeah then, instead of that, e4 being so huge for the county.

D

Then you've got year. Four, that's not too bad year. Five! That's yeah! You're! Sixth, it's okay! So it.

D

Sort of phases it in if you will, but the likelihood of getting a second grant.

B

May not be as well positively gained first, so I would think that if, in our in our you know.

D

Weighing the options here, I would think that, if it in the narrative you know that would be something.

D

That we could, we could say, uh you know, look we don't. We don't want to go all in here, because.

D

We have a lot of budget constraints here, but what we're attempting to do is phase in which is what.

D

We've been trying to do all along right, so yeah, I don't know if there's a space on a safer brand.

F

Where you could put that narrative in there saying this is what we're planning right now.

F

But next year we're planning two more next year, planning to whatever it happens, to be.

F

To let them know what we're trying to accomplish here. That would be a good idea to include that.

F

Even if there's not a spot for it, you know an extra paper to to look at that. If we decide to go.

F

That way, but it's an option, because I do like you like the option of three years from now. We have.

F

This amount and then another year have a little bit more another year. You have a little bit more.

F

That's a little easier to handle, but it's just it's a toss-up. If we're going to get those next.

F

Two or not yeah, I can see both. I can really. I can see both options here as being important, really.

B

I think uh what we have to do is, and I agree with you- um it really has to do with.

B

The risk associated with either getting an additional safer grant um versus, like you said.

B

Falling off the cliff, when the funds aren't there um once we apply them from the initial safer grant,.

B

That's you know how that's the big deal is, how are we going to have the continuation of services.

B

And put it in budget and ted you don't want to chime in. Yes, please.

L

This idea of falling off the cliff is a risk um unless there is still still some question about.

L

Us providing these services, I'm not sure that that's really what we're up against.

L

What we're talking about is either paying for all these costs moving into the future.

L

Or getting a grant in the short term and still paying all the costs in the long term.

L

uh There's there's there's no cliff we're we're already planning to take all these costs.

L

So if we think getting the grant is a good idea and there are things we need to think about before.

L

Before we say yes, but if we take the grant, all it's doing is keeping us.

L

From paying some of the costs for a portion of the time, will we be able to sustain it.

B

With the funds we have now and expectations of our budget and revenue coming in, would we be.

B

Able to sustain it after three years after the initial cost that the safer grant will provide.

L

Well, we will have to figure out how we are going to sustain it unless you're going to decision not.

L

To provide the services right has been talking about the you know what our long-term plan.

L

Looks like this is one of the things we've been talking about because we know this is coming and.

L

Why I've been saying we need to figure out how we are going to accommodate these costs? Yeah, I'm not.

B

Against it, I'm for it, it's just. How do we phase it in where we're exp, it's kind of expectation.

B

Management, do we do it uh with a large group and then figure out how to sustain it? Do we deal.

B

With a smaller group and then sustain it with a little bit ease easier approach with the budget.

B

How aggressive do we want to be with the safer grant using those dollars, and will we be? I mean.

B

That that's the whole piece of this. How are we going to uh sustain whatever we're going to use.

B

With the safer grant, once you're in you're in right, exactly you know, you're going to have to.

D

Just budget it move forward accordingly, right, we can't hire people for three years and say thanks.

B

I mean there's articles out there and- and you know this, there's articles out there.

B

With this, false sense of you know, ideas that we have all this money and we have.

B

All this additional money just to throw out to different you know, organizations. um This is a.

B

Pretty clear message we don't and as we're growing this department as we've committed to doing.

B

That possibly some of that money will be used to sustain you know out in the out years, um but.

B

You know this should be a very clear message to to a whole lot of folks that this is a tough one and.

B

And what is the risk associated and how guarded do we want to be uh after committing to doing this so.

H

I think we need a spreadsheet, I mean if we can visualize all the different costs and how this.

H

Is going to come together uh and ed, I agree with you. Sustainability of this is, I guess, a concern.

H

Of ours, but we're committed we're moving in this direction. I I like what I'm hearing bob I mean.

H

It's not bad at all. I just want to be able to see it with all costs involved over the.

H

uh Three years and and ted I'm sure you've already worked a lot of this out and how we.

H

Can get there and I'm sure we're getting the budget we're going to be looking at this, but.

H

We have to be able to get this thing moving and sustain it for perpetuity. Probably here.

H

uh In this case and steve one comment, I know our focus is on emt's ems service, but fire and ems.

H

Are so combined is my opinion of it? We do train, we have the people there, we uh are able to use them.

H

As uh the fire department needs to, and I think that's valuable uh uh for us to have that.

H

Combination of everything, as we move forward you get so specialized. Sometimes you can't do.

H

Other things, but uh is it possible to I guess, taylor or somebody put together a spreadsheet.

H

We can actually see the numbers of all these things. I mean that's a huge task, I know uh and.

H

It's all projection at this time, but it will give us a starting point for each of these and see how.

H

It works and, and I'm all for the safer grant and I think, if they're going to offer it to us.

H

Take advantage of it as long as we can sustain it yeah I I agree. I think, but the.

B

You brought up to two specific issues, one the spreadsheet. I absolutely agree. We need to see.

B

It and us, you know bobby doing great in getting us to have this discussion, but the second.

B

Piece you brought up was a question about ems and fire, and you know for me: I need some clarification.

B

Are they cross-trained so when we say fire we're associating that with the mt or ems, I'm.

B

I don't know so that's something you know either yeah.

B

Bob yeah yeah yeah, listen. I think it's very important. I would hope- and bob knows this.

D

That the emphasis would be on making sure we hire folks that would be cross-trained.

D

Or when you hire them, I know some jurisdictions have hired them as firefighters and then said.

D

You know within the next six or eight months you need to get your. uh You were hired based.

D

On getting either your emt or your your paramedic, I know some jurisdictions have done that as well.

D

Hey just a question bob, then: if we get these safer grants and we're we're going after this group.

D

Which is which I again, I'm not against be clear. I just want to make sure the devil's always in the.

D

Details on these things, um what happens with the ems billing money that we were talking about does.

D

That get this! How does that come into play with our future uh fiscal uh overlook of our department.

K

That would um we would still be moving and we're working on that through the mou process. But we.

K

Would still be working at as we enter a station, we would get received the ems billing to offset.

K

The budget shortfall that we expect with assuming employment responsibilities. Okay,.

D

And I guess we could. I mean there's many things that we could do with that, including uh training.

D

Of of of entry-level firefighters, you know providing that so that they could get the training.

D

That we need them to get and refresh my memory bob. Can you hire on this safer grant entry-level.

D

uh Firefighters with the anticipation that they have a.

D

Set of parameters to be trained additionally for emergency medical services.

K

In the discussions I had with panel members from the safer grant and from different federal grants.

K

Their job description needs to reflect that their primary responsibility is firefighting.

K

Understanding that their role is going to be moving back and forth between ems and fire, so.

K

That will allow us to apply for the grant. We have no responsibility to show percentage of service.

K

Delivery per employee, so the cross training ability the cross training the being certified as.

K

Firefighters allows us to apply for this grant and, like I said, we will base our hiring based on.

K

Ems training, first, with the desire to cross train. If we have an ems, only member that applies and.

K

Gets hired, then we will provide a path to fire training, a career development path, but then we.

K

Would be able to provide cross-train resources to the stations for the station volunteer officers to.

K

Assign to whichever unit they want and the reason I say that is because I also don't want to deter.

K

Volunteer ems, only members, if, if we have a station that has two volunteer ems people.

K

That want to ride the ambulance themselves. That gives the volunteer officer the opportunity to put.

K

Cross-Train county resources on their fire trucks and allow their members to ride the ambulance.

K

So it just provides more options with cross-trained employees.

H

Have you taken this to their volunteer partners out there yet or you just bring it to us first and.

H

Then uh I'd like to hear you know from the fire departments what they think about this idea too.

H

uh Have you expressed or told them about this, or at this point this? This has been my message.

K

To the volunteer president's chiefs cc visa esac everyone else. Since the day I started.

K

Was that the county committed to building a fire and ems department for the future.

K

Not to patch immediate needs but to build for the future, so the cross training of resources.

K

The ability for the volunteers to assign our personnel where they need the rollout order as.

K

Far as the busy stations first and the number of personnel have all been discussed, in fact, we had.

K

One increase in personnel and that's because the volunteer stations told me they needed more people.

K

Where some stations I just had ems covered, they said no, we need a driver. So this basis.

K

This plan that I've communicated for months basically addressed the minimal needs and the.

K

Minimum staffing that we're currently providing through station employees- I mean this sounds like.

B

This is good news. This sounds like we're. Moving in the right direction, you found.

B

uh Other people's money to use uh to be applied in establishing our department. um You know a lot.

B

Of the discussion is about sustainability, uh but I think the the buy-in from the community.

B

Is there because this is the direction we're going um and commission yeah commissioners? If I can add.

K

One thing: one of the exceptions for the last two fiscal years is: there's no maintenance of effort.

K

um So, beyond the three years we could always re-evaluate.

K

Our position complement and funding, but we did commit to building a fire ems department. There.

K

And even if we only do four stations, there's still nine more out there, that need assistance.

K

So I don't see us moving backwards, even though there is no maintenance of effort.

D

Yeah once we jump we jumped yeah exactly I mean what commissioner wants just shared is.

B

You know once we start moving forward and we're going forward. Then it ain't like we're.

B

Going to start looking back we're going to be moving forward. um Okay, anything else. Yes,.

B

Okay, okay, it just this goes back through a number of things that have come up now.

L

And we're talking about sustainability right now. We know that our projected revenues.

L

Over a handful of years are not enough to cover our projected costs. Part of those projected costs.

L

Are the cost of providing these services that we're talking about today? So when we figure.

L

Out, how do we sustain our entire budget? Part of that is going to be. How do we sustain this effort.

L

Now billing came up. I just want to make sure you understand.

L

That's not going to be extra money, we're already figuring.

L

That into the net costs of what we're going to do here, what new costs are we taking on against.

L

What new revenue are we going to get through through the billing? And, yes, we do have estimates.

L

For what all this is going to cost, what this looks like.

L

And we we believe that the additional amount we're going to need to come up with after we've included.

L

The billing revenue increase to us is something like seven million dollars a year.

L

At full implementation and on this idea of phased implementation, I don't think this is.

L

Primarily a budget question because we have to plan for how are we going to pay for this when.

L

It's fully implemented, however, quickly or slowly we do it. I think the something you need to think.

L

About the phase in, though, is our ability to hire train and build the support system for all these.

L

People that could be a bigger question for you on how quickly we go than the budget question is.

M

And one other thing I'd like to add to that. I totally agree with.

M

What ted said this year, as is, as was last year, um is unique.

M

In that there, as bob said, there's no maintenance of effort requirement going forward. So if.

M

There was some kind of retrenchment we could um with this with this grant application and then.

M

Also, there's no supplanting um anti-supplanting rules so meaning you can actually budget.

M

For the stations you want and and still apply for this grant and if you're successful in receiving.

M

This grant you can put that money right back in your budget and you don't spend your money.

M

You spend their money. That is not normal. uh Almost every grant prohibits that, and um so.

M

You have a unique opportunity here to um to to use. You know that um that flexibility.

B

So we, the announcement ain't, is not until uh october 21 we'll have gone through the.

B

Budget process so going through the budget process, we are going to make.

B

An assumption that the safer grant will be awarded right. So what what I think makes sense.

M

To do is to budget for what you feel is the right level and um and then um get when you when.

M

If and when we're successful in getting the safer grant, then you use their money instead, um the.

M

um What, when before, we were sure that the supplanting rules were going to be suspended.

M

For this fiscal year in this application process, we were going to suggest a model where you would.

M

Do a budget for x number of stations and then apply for a couple additional stations for.

M

Example, so if you budgeted for two, the county would be on the hook for the two and then you'd.

M

Apply for, let's say two more hypothetically one more two more whatever and that that that would be.

M

The the extra two so to speak would be what would be covered by the safer grant, because you.

M

Couldn't use the safer grant to supplant the money from the county, but now you have that flexibility.

M

Does that make sense not really well.

N

There's a lot of there's so many opinions here. I'm not sure that we are where we need to be right now.

D

uh You know we're hearing from ted we're hearing from roberta uh we're hearing from bob.

D

Could I suggest that that we get and not I'm not disparaging anyone here.

D

Sort of along the lines of what commissioner weaver said, could we actually see the numbers.

D

As what it, what it would mean to us, we still have time before march the 12th understanding that you.

D

Are still working towards getting this safer grant, not don't stop bob, you know. Do the narrative and.

D

All that, but before we make a decision here today with all this stuff, that's being thrown upon us.

D

Here by everybody, no, no, no, no we're not asking for any decision today. As bob said, information.

D

We actually have two week, maybe three sessions before we get to the march 12th.

D

Two, maybe three: okay, we could throw another one in, um we always throw them in uh so that.

D

And then maybe just get into the weeds a little bit more with the numbers is where I'm kind of.

D

Going with this sure I I agree, you know to kind of spread it out if you will across the.

D

And and honestly, right now out of the gate with which what has been presented today, I'd really.

D

Like well I'd like to see all the sets of numbers, whether it's the 44, the 84 or 44, 64 84, I guess, but.

D

Based on what we're hearing right now, it sounds like 84 would be the place. We're going right now.

D

Because we we can get that big bite of the apple right right. But I'd like to see those numbers.

D

Spread out across how we do it with our budget, I I agree right right now, right now, there's ten and.

D

Try to include those soft numbers uh so that we and they don't have to be precise. But just.

D

Maybe a ballpark bob on what the soft numbers are uniforms, blah blah blah.

D

The um and and um I think ted said that the internal positions were included in.

D

Those figures is that is that a yes, but yet we're not getting those through the safer grant right.

D

We can't apply for them through this, so I'm a little confused about what you said. There ted.

L

Okay, the numbers bob was showing. You includes an assumed five new positions. We have not had.

L

Any big discussion with you yet on what positions might go so it could be, it could be other. Besides.

L

That, if we go for a staple grant, those would not be eligible so right the grant would be for.

L

Some smaller number than the total you just saw yeah exactly this and that's another reason why.

D

Let's re, let's make those separate from what we're getting from the safer grant. Let's separate the.

D

Pers, internal personnel that we need uh so that we can see what that is and then that that would be.

D

I think a good, a better way to see it here um so that we know exactly what's going to happen here.

D

Because you know I've been talking about the internal positions and we're going to have to.

D

Get them on board like yesterday, right so yeah. I I agree. I can't you can't hire an hr person and.

D

Say: hey by the way tomorrow, right, you're, hiring, 40, firefighters and they're like wait, wait what.

D

So uh you know we're gonna have to really start to work on that too.

D

But if we could see that breakdown for next week and and what it exactly means, I think that would.

D

Be a big help, but uh I don't think there's any question about going after these safer grants. I.

D

Just think we need to see the details bob. I think you hit the mark in uh building the discussion.

B

uh And providing us the information as you want to do you got direction for uh next week. I think.

B

We're going to just continue to build fidelity into this, uh because right now, there's just too.

B

Many assumptions for us to think through and like commissioner lance said, because I was feeling the.

B

Same way, a lot of opinions, so let's kind of narrow the shock group and we'll move forward. So, okay.

B

Anything else for the group: okay, hearing, none, let's get uh mr burke on.

B

uh To discuss on proceeding to public hearing, uh where am I.

B

For the carroll county ethics ordinance, our annual certification requirement.

B

Good morning, commissioners, uh back in january january 28th, I was in front of you explaining.

O

To the board that each year I have to certify to the state board of ethics that our ordinance.

O

Meets or exceeds the requirements in the state law and in doing a quick review of our.

O

Local ordinance, I know that there were some provisions that needed to be updated.

O

In order for me to be able to certify to the state ethics commission that we need or exceed their law,.

O

uh We met on the 28th and I introduced this. The proposals to you and you authorized me to go to.

O

Public hearing we advertised the public hearing on february the 11th and february 18th of this year.

O

And briefly, if I could uh go through our slides again with you,.

O

And brian mobley is our ethics administrator he's not with us today, but he is watching today. So very.

O

Quickly to explain to you what we're doing the next slide, please. First we're going to remove.

O

When you as elected officials, have to fill out an extensive form, uh disclosing all of your interests.

O

To the public or many of your interests to the public, and what this does is remove the.

O

Requirement for you to disclose any interest in a mutual fund or exchange traded fund. That's.

O

Publicly traded on a national scale, and the reason for that is, if you have uh some money in fidelity.

O

Select health or a vanguard fund, nothing that you do as a county, commissioner, is going to have any.

O

Impact on that fund, so there's really no reason for you to have to disclose that to the public.

O

Any questions about that now that's not required that that provision is not required by state law.

O

But they have authorized us to remove it, so the next uh slide deals with conflicts of interest.

O

And this expands our conflict of interest, uh we're on the third slide.

O

Thank you that expands our conflicts of interest uh provisions, and this is required by state law to.

O

uh Address officials and officials are appointees of the board of county commissioners.

O

They're, not elected elected officials are already covered by this. You are already covered by this.

O

But this expands to cover officials, which would be, for example, appointees to the board of zoning.

O

Appeals or the planning commission that are made by the county commissioners and the red.

O

The red paragraph is what we're inserting and it states that officials cannot indirectly or.

O

Directly, initiate a solicitation for a person to retain a particular lobbyist lobbying firm.

O

An official other than elected officials cannot use public resources or the title to solicit a.

O

Contribution and elected official that you may not use public resources to solicit a contribution.

O

That has always been our practice that the state law merely fleshes that out for elected officials.

O

Any questions so, in other words a zoning board member, couldn't say I'm the chairman.

O

Of the zoning board- and I want to be your next county commissioner- please send money.

O

That previously was not addressed. What would be addressed.

O

Moving right along again to the to the conflicts of interest.

O

This states that a former elected official, including you, the board of county commissioners,.

O

Cannot assist or represent another party or compensation in a matter? That's a subject of.

O

Legislative action for one calendar year after the elected official leaves office.

O

In other words, you former county commissioner, let's say, for example, while you were on the board.

O

You adopted extensive solar panel regulations or relaxed solar panel regulations.

O

And you leave office six months later, but you can't come on behalf of a solar.

O

Company in front of a county commissioners doing lobbying for a period of one year.

O

After the until you a period of one year after the elected official leaves office,.

O

You leave office any questions about that, no other than the fact that that would be fun. But okay.

B

That's a typical one with like the eighties right. You can't go back in the agency.

B

For a year, I've been here twenty something years: I've never had a.

O

County commissioner, come and say: I'm I'm a lobbyist now and I wanna.

O

Hey, let's be clear, there's always a first yeah well, obviously make a lot more money than what we.

D

Do so there's that, finally, speaking of lobbyists, that's a good segue. Could we have the next slide.

O

Please I'm sorry. The next slide concerns your financial disclosure form.

O

If you are a candidate for local office, currently you have, um if you uh file your statement of.

O

Candidacy and you don't file a disclosure form within two days, uh you're considered to have.

O

Withdrawing your candidacy, you or somebody else is considered to withdraw. The state allows you.

O

Eight days so we're gonna up that from two to eight days before we disqualify your candidacy.

O

Any questions about that one: okay, next slide, please.

O

Now we're back to lobby in general. uh Currently we have one registered lobbyist and I think we've.

O

Only had one registered lobbyist for the past 10 15 years and that's uh pg e or constellation.

O

Energy, so for our one lobbyist we have about seven pages of requirements for lobbyists.

O

Including forms that have to be filed after every uh every action taken by a lobbyist.

O

Essentially, what this does is require them to do an annual statement, as opposed to a monthly.

O

Statement because what we're getting now is 12 months of monthly statements that say we didn't.

O

Do anything in front of the county commissioners, so this would requirement require them to file an.

O

Annual statement you know at the end of the year, as opposed to the monthly statements and that.

O

In general uh covers our proposal, there's one more, please go to slide 10, please.

O

This is the uh you may recall. We discussed this currently in our ethics ordinance. If you are a.

O

Firm, that is assisting the county with preparing a uh specifications uh in anticipation of putting.

O

A project out to bid or uh soliciting a request for proposals you are uh prohibited from then.

O

Soliciting, I'm sorry submitting a bid for the actual project. So if I'm, if I hire you to design.

O

A an office building, you know architectural services to design an office building. You put.

O

Together the specs which- and we use the specs to put that out debate- you cannot come in then as.

O

On the official project to do the actual project, because you designed specifications.

O

We are taking that out of the ethics ordinance and we're suggesting.

O

That uh it be put into our purchasing policy once our new purchasing uh boss comes on board.

O

Frankly, people bidding on projects don't necessarily run to the ethics ordinance and look.

O

Look for this, they certainly would notice it, and it would be much more.

O

Exposed to the public if it was in the actual purchasing policy, so we're suggesting this to be.

O

Removed out of there, out of our ethics ordinance and in the future placed in our purchasing policy.

O

Any questions about that anyhow, those are our proposed amendments and they would bring us into.

O

Compliance with the state law and allow me to make the certification, uh mr president, at this point.

O

If there are any members of the public that have any comments, we would like to hear from them. Okay,.

B

Are there any members from the public that want to make comments regarding the ethics ordinance.

B

I know we have a few callers on the line, but may not be for this.

B

Believe we have somebody.

P

I don't believe there. No are there any callers on this agenda item somebody.

B

Looks like you're trying to yes. Are you calling about this agenda item regarding ethics? No okay,.

B

Okay, seeing and hearing no callers on the line.

B

Do I have a motion make a motion at the board conclude the public hearing, keep.

F

The record open for 10 calendar days, I was going to say two but we'll switch it to 10.

B

Okay, I got motion floors for a second okay. Okay got a couple of seconds any.

B

Further discussion on this seeing hearing none all in favor for the motion, hi hi.

B

Okay, well, I mean we're back we're going now thanks now, okay, you were on the previous board of county.

O

Commissioners, you'll notice and went with our last go round with the ethics ordinance. You'll look.

O

My surprise that we have absolutely no comments on this particular one. We are not as it is 5-0.

B

Or something changes, and for those of us that live through it yeah, that's, okay! We are good we're all.

D

Good with it, thank you very much. Let's talk about finding one. Let's talk about piney run watershed.

B

Get mr devil, [, __, ] and mr hein and uh is jeff blast. Mr blass is jeff showing up or no he's on.

P

The call I'm here- okay, so we got the three of you and jeff is a project manager from aecom.

B

For the uh tiny round watershed study, okay tom- you want to take it yeah I'll, do a brief.

Q

Introduction uh good morning, commissioners, we're here today to provide a briefing.

Q

Reading to a continuation, basically of a process that actually began for us back in 2017.

Q

uh At that point in time, md gave direction to the county to do an evaluation of the piney run dam in.

Q

The south carol area after that, the county entered into an agreement with the national resources.

Q

Conservation service to actually fund the the study, and that was done in january of 2019..

Q

The commissioners then awarded a contract to aecom uh in july of 2019 to undertake the study we last.

Q

February, if you'll recall, uh commissioner osteen, we held a public meeting down in the ellersburg.

Q

Area that was right before covet, we were able to get in a actual face-to-face public uh meeting.

Q

Regarding the study and outline and purpose so now we're ready to present the study uh with results.

Q

And discuss the alternatives that have been looked upon to address that direction, that md.

Q

Had given this county and what we're actually doing today is providing a briefing to gain your.

Q

Concurrence and direction only uh as to moving forward with the public process at this point in.

Q

Time so I'm going to turn the the presentation over to acting director hein uh so that he can.

Q

uh Give you the lowdown and specifics. That's right, you're the has been okay, let's get with the acting.

J

Good morning, commissioners, uh can you confirm that you can see my screen you're, good, okay, okay, great.

J

So, thank you very much for the time this morning, uh as tom indicated we're joined here this morning,.

J

By jeff bloss from aecom, I'm going to give you some background on the project and why we are.

J

Looking at this project, then jeff will talk for a little bit about the results of the analysis.

J

And then I will wrap up with some alternatives that we'd like you to consider, but again, as tom.

J

Mentioned we're not looking for an action any action today. So, let's see if this will.

J

There we go so we're here today to talk about piney, run reservoir. It was constructed in 1974.

J

So it has almost reached 50 years in use. The reservoir was originally constructed for three.

J

Primary purposes, that is, flood control, water supply and recreation and uh of those three uses.

J

The water supply uh has not been implemented to date, but we will be talking some about that today.

J

So the reservoir is uh held back by tiny run dam, which is a 73 foot tall dam 600 feet long. It is.

J

The largest dam that the county owns and maintains the reservoir that's held back by the dam.

J

Is 290 acres of water at its deepest it's 54 feet deep, and that depth is right at the dam.

J

In fact, if you're out there and you may notice a red buoy, that's out in the water.

J

That's hooked up to um part of the infrastructure of the dam and that's at the deepest point. Where.

J

It's 54 feet deep and the reservoir itself holds approximately 1.7 billion gallons of water.

J

So I wanted to just take a minute or two and talk about.

J

Some of the infrastructure so that everybody's on the same page with terms and and so on, we're.

J

Talking about the dam, and hopefully you can see my cursor moving back and forth.

J

We have the dam embankment itself and the picture in the upper left corner.

J

Is a picture of the dam with the reservoir to the left and the down slope of the dam on the right.

J

The dam holds back the reservoir and that reservoir is constantly being.

J

um Constantly has water coming into it from the various streams that flow to it.

J

And so we need to safely pass that water through past the dam, and so the way that's done is there's.

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What we call a principal spillway, that's the principle way that water gets past. The dam.

J

On the upstream side, there's the riser structure and the upper right corner image is the the rise.

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Of structure, so that's what controls the water level in the dam or in the reservoir water drops.

J

Down that riser structure and goes through a pipe that then comes out into piney, run stream.

J

If we have a large storm, a very large storm, that is more than that principle,.

J

Spillway can accommodate the water, then has to get around the dam safely, and that goes.

J

Through the auxiliary spillway, which is also sometimes referred to as the emergency spillway.

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And that's this big wide open space, that's to the uh at the bottom left corner of the of the.

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Aerial photo labeled auxiliary spillway, so that's basically a big wide open channel. That's designed.

J

To convey water past the dam and we'll be talking more about that in a couple minutes.

J

And finally, I mentioned water supply, so what was constructed in anticipation of using it at the.

J

The reservoir for water supply is an intake tower, so the picture in the lower right is.

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The intake tower that has valves that will that can pull water out of the reservoir.

J

And then there's a pipe that runs through the dam and currently that pipe.

J

Goes into the stream, but long term. What would happen is that if we implemented water supply that.

J

Pipe would be hooked up to um all the additional infrastructure needed to provide water supply.

J

So I thought you might find this picture interesting. This is from the construction.

J

Of the reservoir, uh this is around 1973.. This is just prior to the dam being constructed.

J

This is here's. The riser structure, which is uh the top of it, is what's in the upper right corner.

J

That's so the water level is at the top of that. The water drops down and then goes out.

J

And then, in the background, is the water intake structure.

J

So piney run dam is classified by maryland. Department of the environment, dam safety as what.

J

Is called a high hazard dam? That's an assessment of risk and this image aerial photo shot shows why.

J

There is a risk uh associated with this dam, and this is the only high hazard dam that the county.

J

Owns so, as I mentioned, there's approximately 54 feet of of standing water behind the dam.

J

You can imagine that during a very large storm, we could have an additional 20-25 feet of water.

J

Stacked up behind the dam, if the dam were to catastrophically fail, that would release a flood.

J

Wave down the stream valley and just downstream, we have maryland 32 when that wave hits maryland 32.

J

It would still be 30 to 40 feet deep, so you can imagine that would be a catastrophic impact and.

J

Our analysis shows that there are more than 240 properties and 40 road crossings.

J

Downstream of the dam that would be impacted in one way, shape or form, so there is a risk there.

J

What we have to do is as owners of that dam and working with md damn safety is mitigate, that risk.

J

Is reduce that risk and so that classification of high hazard requires two primary things.

J

One is that there's a high standard for operation and maintenance of the dam. The second is is that.

J

The dam design has to pass the most severe storm that is potential for our region. Okay,.

J

So I first want to. I just want to stress this from an operation and maintenance perspective.

J

There are no issues with the dam, so there it's not we're not talking about an imminent danger.

J

Here or anything like that, um the dam is well maintained. Every year we inspect that the dam.

J

And it is inspected with not only county staff, but also staff from mde dam safety and also from nrcs.

J

And mde dem safety provides a report of the inspection um to to indicate what condition the.

J

Dam is in and it has always been indicated in good condition and well maintained. So it's there's not.

J

An issue with an imminent problem with the dam. I want to make sure that everybody understands.

J

That from a compliance perspective, though, from a a design capacity, mde has raised an issue.

J

They're concerned with two aspects of the dam one is: is it able to safely pass that.

J

Largest storm possible around the dam, so is the spillway. Is the auxiliary spillway large enough.

J

To handle that flow, if we have that that large storm event, the other uh issue that they have.

J

Raised is the erodibility of that spillway, it's an earthen spillway, and so, if you had a large.

J

Storm a lot of water going through that could that spillway erode and potentially fail. The dam.

J

So those are the two issues that they've raised with us and they've basically indicated that.

J

They're requiring us to analyze the dam to see if those issues are are a problem and if they are.

J

We are required to mitigate those issues by 2027., so that's what then led to hiring of aecom to.

J

Perform the analysis and determine if those issues are founded so with that I'm going.

J

To turn it over to jeff bloss and you can discuss the results of the study.

R

Thank you chris good morning, commissioners. My name is jeff bloss. I'm a project manager.

R

With aecom acom was retained by the county to perform the uh the nrcs funded watershed study.

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um And I want to discuss a little bit about what we've done and what we found and then.

R

Where we go from here so the first thing uh we were tasked with doing was performing a.

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Very exhaustive uh inspection both inside now, the of the dam and all of its all, of its structures.

R

And then um engineering analyses from several different uh aspects uh for of the dam and so.

R

uh We did visual inspections of the dam. We we put um camera remote control cameras up all the.

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Pipes to check the insides and see how they, what condition they were in um and and we we also.

R

Performed um some surveys of of the dam and the reservoir, um and then we performed a number of.

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Engineering analyses, including those for hydrology and hydraulics, which is study of.

R

How the water runs off the off the watershed into the reservoir and then goes downstream.

R

uh We looked at geotechnical aspects of the dam, uh how safe the the how stable the embankment is.

R

um And and what's underlying the dam and its foundation and the spillway uh more.

R

Importantly, we drilled 25 different uh soil, borings or holes in into collect samples.

R

We also performed as an analysis of sedimentation of the reservoir, so this is a look at how.

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Much sediment has run into the reservoir and accumulated over its life and then finally, we also.

R

Performed, environmental, environmental, cultural and archaeological surveys of the area around the dam.

R

And you can see some of the artifacts that were found in the picture in the lower right. We also.

R

Found some some old foundations for that predated uh the construction of the dam next slide. Please.

R

Next slide, chris, thank you um so, with the with respect to mde's uh directives uh to investigate.

R

The auxiliary spillway's capacity and its integrity from a capacity standpoint chris talked.

R

About the most severe storm, predictable and that storm is is known in the industry as the probable.

R

Maximum flood and for this area of the state uh in carroll county, it is approximately 39 inches.

R

Of rain in three days, that's 2.7 times greater than what we call the flood of record at piney.

R

Run, which was hurricane eloise during hurricane eloise, the uh the water, the reservoir came up.

R

Almost to the crest of the of that spillway and almost ran through the spillway, but not quite.

R

So we're talking about something, that's basically two and a half times greater than that.

R

um Industry practice and md use requirements um are such that the the spillway needs to be capable.

R

Of passing that storm through the spillway, without overtopping the dam and what we've currently found.

R

Is that that's not the case right now? The spillway does not have the capacity to do that. So.

R

If this extreme storm were to occur, it's likely that the dam would, over top by several feet,.

R

So the solution to this is to do a combination of two things: widening the spillway.

R

And then taking the the earth that we mined from that spillway when we widen it and raising the dam.

R

With it- and so that's what's shown in this graphic here where we would basically widen the spillway.

R

um On the right side of it, this would be looking downstream the downstream direction and then take.

R

All that all of that soil and put it on top of the dam and to maintain the the slopes you know so.

R

That they look the same as they are now, we would fill the downstream side of it next slide. Please.

R

So, for uh in terms of erodibility of the spillway we we did set, we ran several models of the.

R

Spillway using the information we gathered from the geotechnical investigations, the soil and rock.

R

Samples we collected, and what we found was that the spillway is built on a combination of soil.

R

And highly weathered rock, and so that means that it's uh it's got a high potential for erodibility.

R

And so this graphic here shows a failure through spillway erosion, for a site in mississippi.

R

um In 1983, so you can kind of see what what that would look like. uh Basically, erosion would start.

R

On the downstream side of the spillway, and then it would work its way back up to the reservoir.

R

And eventually the spillway would be caved in and the reservoir would release that way. So the way.

R

We we would deal with this typically is. We would use a concrete armoring at the downstream end of.

R

The spillway to prevent that erosion from ever happening in the first place next slide. Please.

R

So, as chris said, mde's uh given the county, a uh a deadline of 2027 to complete the work of dealing.

R

With the spillway capacity and integrity issues that we I discussed in the last two slides and so.

R

Manifestly that's raising the dam and winding the spillway to improve the capacity and then armoring.

R

The downstream end of this of the auxiliary spillway, um with concrete as I as I discussed,.

R

In the last slide, um we've gone through we've gone through several um investigations of what these.

R

Alternatives would cost right now. The estimate appears to be about seven and a half million.

R

Dollars uh that would cover design permitting and construction of the improvements for the dam to.

R

Address these two issues and as chris said um you know, the nrcs is would be fully can can be fully.

R

Involved in this, the grant program that they have that this dam is is uh that applies to this dam.

R

Funds 100 of design, as well as 65 of construction with the county as the dam owner or the sponsoring.

R

Local organization, picking up the other 35 percent of construction, so the potential here when you.

R

Work it out is, is a 5 million nrcs grant to cover a good portion of that 7.5 million dollars in cost.

R

Next slide, please so the other aspect that um chris mentioned and the the the intent of the.

R

Damn that was never never realized or has been realized in its lifetime. Is the uh the use of the.

R

Dam for water supply, and so since we were looking at everything else, we took another look at at.

R

What it would take to um to basically activate it or turn it on so to speak, uh and so the the.

R

Issue the infrastructure itself, the intake tower the pipe. None of that really presents a lot of of.

R

Any major issue, the major issue that we found was that there's been quite a bit of sedimentation of.

R

The reservoir over its uh almost 50-year lifespan, and so what that's it? What's that, what that's up.

R

What that means is that we've lost about 22 of the reservoirs volume to sedimentation, and so.

R

To restore that volume, um we would have to either remove the sediment or increase the volume of the.

R

Pool to offset it removing the sediment um to give you an idea of the the volume of sediment.

R

We're talking about we're talking about 725 acre feet, so imagine a football field 725 feet high and.

R

That's the amount of sediment that we estimate based on our surveys. That's in the reservoir.

R

um Removing that is cost prohibitive um tens of millions of dollars way more than.

R

What the project would otherwise cost, so the other option is, we can raise the pool.

R

To increase the um the volume of water in it and that way, we can recapture the volume that we would.

R

Be able to use for water supply by raising the pool which, in this case, would require about a.

R

Two and a half foot raise a little less than two and a half feet. um We would have to deal.

R

With the impacts of doing that, so the graphic on the right shows what the normal pool the regular.

R

Everyday pool would look like in the reservoir after a two and a half foot raise, and you can see.

R

There's basically a little bit of incursion onto the waterfront at pontian park. Obviously that.

R

Runs all the way around the reservoir, so there's there's impacts all the way around um to various.

R

You know aspects of the park, and so in addition to that, we would also have to make some additional.

R

Modifications to the dam uh reinforce the uh the existing principal spillway riser structure that.

R

Chris was talking about, since it wasn't designed for a pool that high. uh We would also have to.

R

To install a concrete rear structure across that auxiliary spillway, uh there would have been.

R

Modifications, obviously, to the recreational area, since the pool would be higher and encroach more.

R

On the shoreline and to do the work in the uh on the riser structure, we would have to likely drain.

R

The reservoir, because we'd have to excavate around that structure to reinforce it next slide. Please.

R

So, obviously, if we were to go after the the water supply security end of things- and this would.

R

Basically, just give the county another option for water supply. We would be talking about an.

R

Additional additional eight million dollars in design permitting and construction costs.

R

To make the improvements around the reservoir, um and so nrcs would would share in that cost.

R

These are the costs, they would share it. So then the budget would become 15 and a half million.

R

Dollars with nrcs picking up 65 of that or about 10 million dollars, um there'd be an additional.

R

5.5 million dollars in county investment that would cover what happens with the water after.

R

It's pulled out of the reservoir, so there would have to be a pump station to get it from basically.

R

Down around piney run creek itself up out of the valley and to wherever it's going to go and that.

R

May likely would be over towards the water treatment plant at liberty um and then there would.

R

Be recreational uh infrastructure modifications that nrcs would not share in the cost of so.

R

Basically, the modifications to the waterfront um would be borne by the cab. That cost would be.

R

Borne by the county, so all told it's a 21 million capital project with a potential for 10 million.

R

Dollars of nrcs uh grant funding and I think chris is going to talk about the uh kind of a comparison.

R

Of the alternatives that we are presenting and uh and the risks and rewards associated with them,.

R

Yeah thanks jeff, so um to make um to make discussion and and decision making a little.

J

Bit easier, what we've done is we've broken out. What we feel are three alternatives that.

J

We would eventually like you to to decide upon so the first alternative. I call alternative zero and.

J

This is basically a non-compliance alternative. um The benefit to it is that there's there's a very.

J

Low cost associated with it, it's uh reduced, cost in county uh investment and so on, because.

J

We're basically saying we're not gonna we're not going to abide by what mde has required.

J

Obviously, we don't feel that this is a good option to consider. There are a lot of downsides to that.

J

Option primarily being is that this is a public safety issue. It's a compliance issue and mde has.

J

The legal authority to make sure that that this dam gets put into compliance. So if we.

J

Decide if you decided that we're not going to do anything um md will will most likely proceed.

J

With doing something- and we will be out of the decision-making as to what those options would be.

J

And one option that could be considered is to remove the hazard, which is to remove the.

J

Dam, which I don't think anybody is interested in so by virtue of wanting to stay involved in.

J

The decisions of what what is going to happen to the dam, what modifications um and so on.

J

I would not recommend alternative zero, but it is. It is an alternate alternative for for discussion.

J

So alternative one is basically compliance only and this is the seven and a half million dollar.

J

uh Investment that jeff talked about uh the positive to this is that it's the lower investment.

J

It's uh it's the minimum investment that the county would make to get into compliance. It.

J

Addresses the compliance issues, so so everything would be resolved. um A key thing to note here is.

J

That if we proceed with this alternative, it does not preclude water supply in the future.

J

We're not going down a path that uh that we can't return from there's not wasted funding.

J

There's no issue with using or implementing water supply in the future. If you select this.

J

Alternative, so um another benefit is the nrcs uh contribution, so approximately five million.

J

Dollars estimated out at seven and a half and there's minimum uh uh impact to the reservoir.

J

During construction, so those are all all key positives. The only real negative is that if we.

J

Decide we want to go down the path towards water supply? um This is our opportunity to get some nrcs.

J

Funding to help us down that path, and we wouldn't we would miss out on that opportunity if we wanted.

J

To delay that the alternative for future water supply, so alternative two is compliance and water.

J

Supply preparation, so the positives are again more potential funding from nrcs. Again it addresses all.

J

The compliance issues and we basically start down that path towards water supply security,.

J

The downside, uh the risks are that this is a higher investment by the county.

J

I don't want to minimize, and this this is probably on the biggest non-financial impact, although there.

J

Is a financial impact, and hopefully you caught it? What jeff said is that if we wanted to go.

J

Down this route that the construction would most likely require draining the reservoir.

J

So that has a lot of uh implications um that should be considered um one being a potential.

J

Loss of park revenue um barring a hurricane to fill the reservoir back up. It would probably take.

J

More than a year for the reservoir to fill back up once it's drained down, so that's something.

J

That needs to be considered and the last point I just want to make sure that everybody is clear.

J

On on the investments in the dollar amounts that we're talking about related to water supply.

J

Think of the water supply implementation as a three-step process, the first step it would be.

J

If we want to go that down this route, would be the investment in modifications to the dam. That's the.

J

Eight million dollars that jeff mentioned and nrcs would uh potentially fund portion of that there is.

J

Then an additional five and a half million, which I've mentioned, which are other things that are.

J

On the reservoir property, that we feel would make sense that, if you're doing a big project, you might.

J

As well, do them at the same time right and so and those would not be eligible for nrcs, but they.

J

Would be a potential expense for the county to look at? That's where this range of 15 and a half.

J

To 21 million dollars for a deeper project, what that gets? You is all the infrastructure on the.

J

Reservoir site leading towards water supply, there is, then, an additional investment to get from the.

J

Reservoir site to the tap- and that is not part of this study and I've talked with our department of.

J

Public works and they have estimated, depending on what. uh What option and and final design on.

J

How that would happen that could cost anywhere from an additional 10 to 40 million dollars, so.

J

I want to make sure that everybody understands that if you select alternative two that does not.

J

Get you water to the tap out of pine iran that simply takes us down the road towards that and.

J

Then there would be future investments from a dpw perspective to get the water to the town.

J

So those are the three alternatives um from a scheduling perspective, uh we're providing you this.

J

For information only today we're not asking for an action item other than an affirmation that we're.

J

Going in the right direction, we have scheduled and have publicized a public meeting on march 11 and.

J

That there are two meetings we'll be holding one in the afternoon and one in the evening, so that.

J

We can get information from the public as to their thoughts and we'll be doing the same presentation.

J

um We will then be coming back to you in mid-march for a quest to go to public hearing.

J

And I assume we would then keep the record open for 10 days and then we would be looking for a.

J

Decision from you all on which alternative you want to move forward with in early april, from.

J

There then jeff gets really busy because he has a number of reports that need to be put together.

J

And need to be reviewed and approved by nrcs over the next few months, um the project deadline or the.

J

Schedule for the project is currently to finish that in september and we're working through.

J

Whether we can hit that, but that's that's our uh our schedule once that report is done.

J

Then we would be looking to the next grant. Application is due in december.

J

Where we would be applying to nrcs for grant funding for the design phase of the project.

J

And that's due in december and then looking just looking a little bit beyond the schedule.

J

That grant is usually issued in july of the following year and then we would be.

J

Looking to bring a term on to perform design and that's how the project would progress.

J

So with that uh happy to answer any questions uh from myself or for jeff.

H

Yes, uh chris, um you know we have an agreement, I guess with baltimore city on the water.

H

And I think that agreement was waters of the patapsco watershed it's been years since I I.

H

Think looked into this would that have any effect on what you do here for use of this water would.

H

They be, we have to pay for it uh to baltimore city, to use it uh due to that original agreement or not.

J

Did you want to answer that tom, or would you like me to go ahead? No, I certainly can uh two.

Q

Things that we have to understand here, the the baltimore city does have control of the waters.

Q

In the patapsco and the gunpowder falls watersheds in so much as if you want to do anything in those.

Q

Watersheds as far as construction and all you need to have their approval, the county acquired.

Q

Their approval prior to constructing piney run reservoir, so we had their approval to build the.

Q

Reservoir and there's really no need to go back to them for anything that chris is proposing here.

Q

The other item to keep in mind is that this county did have an appropriation permit from the state.

Q

Of maryland, to withdraw water from piney run, so the actual use of water out of the piney run is.

Q

Controlled through the appropriation process with the state of maryland, we lost that appropriation.

Q

Due to inactivity, probably might have been five or six years ago, maybe a little longer, so we would.

Q

Have to go back through that process to gain uh access to using those waters in piney run while.

Q

Baltimore city does not have direct approval of authority over that appropriation. They obviously.

Q

Through the public process, which that permit would require could weigh in on it at that point in time,.

Q

So, to answer your question, commissioner: no, we don't have to go to baltimore city.

Q

Directly for for use of pineyron, but they could or may participate in any appropriation process.

Q

That we would have to go through in the future to actually withdraw water out of mighty run.

I

Mr hein, if we want with utilizing the reservoir as a water source, are we looking at looking at.

I

Potentially, two years between the start of construction and the reservoir being.

I

Opened back up for the public, is it less? Is it more? What are we potentially looking at.

J

That's a that's a hard question to answer, because it's dependent on um on rainfall.

J

Because that's how it'll fill back up so if we have a hurricane um sure, it'll fill up pretty.

J

Quick, um but just looking at normal stream flow, it could take well over a year um to fill back up.

I

So that year is in addition to a year construction, I mean.

I

In total, what are we looking at? How much construction are we looking at so.

J

Most likely, the way it would work is we would drain down the reservoir begin construction right.

J

Away on on the parts that need to be accessed, I don't believe- and maybe jeff has a better feel.

J

For for time frame for that, but you could almost close the the valve and let it start filling up.

J

During construction at some point, because it's not going to fill up super fast and and and so you.

J

You would balance that and and if the water started getting due too deep and you're still.

J

In construction, you just open the valve and you drain it back down again. So it's something that.

J

We would try and optimize because everybody wants to get the reservoir filled back up as.

J

Quickly as possible, but that would be something that would be figured out in detailed design.

I

I appreciate that because I think that's all be a big concern of our constituents for recreation.

I

And it's such a wonderful place to visit mr blast, I appreciate you mentioning that the.

I

Eloise hurricane 75, I was a child by the tapsco river when that took place, but more importantly,.

I

Is in 72 as a small child, I remember agnes and angus was twice as big as eloise, if not more and.

I

For you to state that in 75 eloise, almost crests the auxiliary spiral way, it guarantees that agnes.

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Would have crest that spillway and my big concern is that spillway is earthen and the example you.

I

Showed of that other dam failing is precisely what probably would happen to air dam if another.

I

Hurricane hit the size of agnes, and that was what 49 years ago and in the cycle of hurricanes, we're.

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Due for one, probably within the next 25 years of that same size, so I think it's imperative that we.

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Address this issue, while we can- and I am of the mind that we should try to capitalize on at the.

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Present time as much money, we can get from other sources to upgrade this reservoir to what truly.

I

Was originally designed to be and that's a water source, and that would give us some independence.

I

From buying water from baltimore city, because we surrendered our water rights over to baltimore.

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City, which makes us dependent on baltimore city for a water supply and I'm a very strong advocate.

I

Of carroll county having water independence from baltimore city and any amount of water, we could.

I

Potentially tap into from piney run to offset what we're paying baltimore city, I am 100 poor.

B

Okay, any other yeah all valid points, yeah um yeah go ahead. Has there ever been a study done.

D

About the the the um length of of of what do you call it, the the the length of liberty.

D

The the service, the length of civility service that that meant years out.

D

Has has anyone looked to see based on baltimore city and the county draws from that too?.

D

You know what is the potential there that that could be a serious issue.

D

Years out, as far as the supply goes versus demand liberty, reservoir liberty, reservoir right, I mean.

D

That would to me that would be a a a thought pattern as to whether or not we should even pursue.

D

Alternatively, I think I think it's more on in line, and I apologize didn't want to interrupt.

B

But more in line with what commissioner boucher is saying is is taking away our are dependence on.

B

Baltimore city and liberty reservoir right and using piney as what it was exactly what.

B

The commissioner said designed to do and that was to be a reservoir. So it's a balance between.

B

The community losing a recreational facility for a finite time period to establishing a water.

B

Source for a much much greater period of time now this is for information only and because I'm in.

B

Absolute agreeance, with uh where you're going with that uh eric um this is for information only.

B

Today, it's to build this discussion, we will have a couple public meetings. I attended the last one.

B

In february um and then we'll we'll go from there, but uh yeah eric very valid points.

B

The community will be concerned and frustrated if we take away a recreational facility, but the.

B

The fact is, our role, I believe, is to lead this county uh and its budget and resources.

B

And this is a resource that has not been tapped into it's kind of frustrating to me that this.

B

Sediment built up over so many years and wasn't cared for if we recognized this as a reservoir.

B

uh So obviously it wasn't recognized as a reservoir, but now it's time to do what it's.

B

Designed to be done so that's okay, I'm done pontificating on this um sorry.

B

Yes, commissioner, I'm sorry if I may point out that um we've used the term security.

J

Water security throughout this presentation- and I just want to point that um part of the reason.

J

That we're looking to bring the reservoir online is for redundancy and security and water supply.

J

So yes, we, we do purchase water from baltimore city, but that is a sole source and um a system should.

J

Have redundancy in it, and so this would be a secondary source for water. If some something were.

J

To happen out of our control that uh we no longer have that access to uh for for drought reasons,.

J

Or whichever this is another source, another um redundant source for water supply for the area, I.

B

Mean to think baltimore city has a monopoly on the water. You know supply for carroll county. You know.

B

I won't say it's crazy, but it's uh it's obviously to their advantage and not necessarily to ours.

B

So um commercial, um you know we have um you know former commissioners out of vision.

H

Of border security in carroll county, with these three reservoirs to be constructed, carroll county.

H

Would be in control of its own water, uh with finding one with the only one that was actually.

H

Constructed but I agree, we need to start moving forward on this to secure water for the future.

H

I think we need to secure land for the future for food the same way, we need those security measures.

H

uh As leaders in the county, I think it's our obligation to start looking at the big picture.

H

And don't forget the origin, and maybe chris going back, give us a briefing on what was the.

H

Original uh intent, and how was this plan to move forward when they started purchasing, we purchased.

H

All the ground for these reservoirs, but this one is, I think, one we have to start on and keep moving.

H

Forward uh with so I'm totally in agreement with what eric and uh ed are saying here,.

I

I'll reiterate that this dam brings up two major public safety issues for us.

I

One is the potential loss of life down river or downstream, whatever it may be, called and.

I

The second is providing a quality water supply to our citizens. I mean water and sewer are two.

I

Of the most basic fundamental things we as county commissioners, need to supply our community with.

I

Or any civilizations responsibility of its civic leaders, so I'm all about that.

I

And it meant something about the uh the sediment now that brings up the issue. Raising the water.

I

Level will that in any way impact private property? Well, as it goes up, if the flood plain does.

I

Does the increase in water level do anything to the private property that might adjacent.

I

The reservoir, because I know in the north end it's the that's lower, there's a floodplain.

J

So yeah there are, um and tom refresh my memory there's a term for it.

J

A type of easement, that's on a lot of the properties around.

J

The reservoir, so a full full analysis of what kind of impacts there would be, would need to be done.

J

And that would be part of the the process for for looking at the design of this but tom. What's the.

J

Name of that that event, yeah there's actually flow adjustments. What are called flow adjustments that.

Q

Have been recorded on private property, which allows for the water backing up in piney, run.

Q

During large storm events, and then I think there's actually an extra buffer added on so there are.

Q

There are existing flow adjustments, mostly on the up, like you said, commissioner, on the upgraded side.

Q

Of piney run because most the land, all around pioneer run, you know, is controlled by the county.

I

We wouldn't run into any potential legal entanglement so to speak. If the water level raised.

I

You know I I'm worried that potentially a neighboring property could try to sue or put.

I

An injunction on us to tie things up so you're saying: there's easiness, so we'd be okay and we.

I

Wouldn't have to worry about that. I'm saying: there's there's easements in place now they.

Q

Would have to be evaluated fully to make sure your issue is not not going to be an issue, but.

Q

Again, maybe or chris or jeff could address this too. You know a rise to two and a half feet. Well,.

Q

Sounds like a lot as potty run, we're raising it at the top end. So the actual you know impacts to that.

Q

um From uh from the extent standpoint are not are not huge, I guess is what I'm saying, uh because.

Q

We're at the we're at the largest portion of the of the reservoir there so again between the flow.

Q

Adjustments and- and you know, basically, a two and a half foot rise, not being a super significant rise.

Q

uh I don't, I don't think keaney will have problems in the future, but all that has to be evaluated as.

Q

Part of the process that jeff's going to have to take forward after you all make your decisions.

B

Gentlemen, I think again, you met your intent uh and that was to provide us the briefing but also.

B

Get us uh thinking through the three options, or course of action, or I can't remember what you.

B

Call them chris um alternatives. I think you said uh yeah looking forward to uh hearing from the.

B

What the public has to say after uh march 11th and then you coming back to us for further discussion.

B

um So good stuff, I really appreciate your time.

B

Appreciate your time uh aecom and uh doing the work that you're doing so very thorough.

N

Thank you very much, commissioners. Any further comments on this. I just saw state gentlemen. I.

I

Think that was an excellent briefing and if this does go through both commissioner rolstein and I.

I

We fish that reservoir. So it's all impact us as well we're on all field of pain to losing.

I

That as recreation for a few years, but hopefully be a good long-term investment.

P

If, uh if I could just add uh two more points, uh we are from a bureau of utility standpoint, we are.

P

Working on some redundancies now with bringing some wells online, which could provide us up to.

P

A quarter of what our daily uh supply is from liberty and we're also starting next week, working.

P

With the city of baltimore in negotiations on our particular race that we pay now so just wanted to.

P

Make you aware of that, because that will be a part of your future conversations thanks.

B

Jason, coming in and and sharing that with us, so, okay, gentlemen. Thank you. Now, let's move on miss.

B

uh We're going to talk about fees dealing with water and steward, just as what commissioner.

B

Boucher was sharing and then also annexation, requests and fees associated with both so linda.

S

All right good morning, commissioners, so today I have with me christ wagner, who is the planner in.

S

Our department and handles the water and sewer amendments and the triennial update I'm going.

S

To go ahead and share my screen with you and give you a brief presentation on january 28th, we came.

S

Before the board, requesting your permission to move forward out sorry wrong screen.

S

If you can reshare that, please I'm not sure what happened there.

P

You're still presenter yeah.

S

Okay, there you go much better. um We came before you requesting your permission to.

S

Move forward and investigating fees for water and certain annexations.

S

So I'm going to go ahead and present these and two different presentations.

S

The first for discussion are fees associated with water and sewer.

S

So again, uh just a quick overview that the water and sewer master plan implements as and.

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Is consistent with county master plan, municipal and community comprehensive plans? um This is a.

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Coordinated effort with the municipalities we put this forward not only for the county, water.

S

And sewer system, as we just heard, a discussion on the penny- run reservoir- that's controlled by.

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Carroll county, but also the municipalities as well, and these are based on the evaluation facility.

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Usage the needs for upgrade or expansion, public health plan growth patterns, so this is what we.

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Do and how we set the priorities working with the municipalities. This is required by the health and.

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Environmental article, the annotated code- and it requires carroll county to review and adopt this.

S

Every three years and that's what we refer to as the triennial update but in between the triannial.

S

Update, we also do amendments and we have a cycle of the twice a year: amendment um we'll process a.

S

Spring cycle, if there's a reason to and a false cycle, in addition to special amendments and a.

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Special amendment comes about when we're not in a cycle, and there needs to be some type of.

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Amendment done for an emergency reason, a special project for the municipalities or the county.

S

And the water and sewer master plan, even though you, the county commissioners, hold a public hearing.

S

And you adopt these plans and these amendments- these are not official until maryland, department.

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Of the environment approves any of the changes or the triangular fda.

S

So, just a little bit of information um over the past five years, we've processed eight amendments.

S

So not quite two amendments a year, including one special summer, amendment in 2017 that.

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Needed to be completed a total of 35 properties, including two full town revisions, not part of the.

S

Triennial update have been done over the past five years, so it's been quite a lot of work.

S

So I'm going to show to you is just the general process. These slides have a lot of information.

S

I'm not going to go over the information, but I just want to share with you just you can see.

S

What details are and what really goes into this process for county staff, so staff.

S

Processes amendments, as I said earlier, for all eight municipalities and submits them to.

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Mde for approval and we work with mde and the towns or public works throughout this process.

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Until the submittal is finalized, and we get word back from maryland, department of the environment.

S

So one of the biggest roles that we play is really that coordination with the local jurisdiction.

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Whether it be the town of the county and maryland department of the environment, a lot of times, price.

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Works with mde throughout the process to make sure that what is being submitted um is acceptable to.

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Them so we don't get down the road of processing the triannial update or an amendment that mde.

S

Won't approve, so we make sure all the kinks are worked out prior to even the submittal of the.

S

Plan itself and at a minimum there are seven just broad-based general steps, but within each of those.

S

Seven steps there's a ton of detail that needs to be completed, and so again I'm not going to go.

S

Through all of this, but as you can see just by the amount of words on this page, a lot of detail and.

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The steps, so these are just the first four steps of us interagency coordination, coordination with.

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Mde municipal planning, commission coordination if it goes to coming from a municipality.

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um As well as making sure consistency with all of the plans and processes that we have to make.

S

Sure it's consistent with you're scheduling a public hearing with you all, even though we might.

S

Be processing an amendment for a town. The board of county commissioners has to host a public hearing.

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There's very discreet, steps that we must take in order to have an official public hearing.

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After you conduct the public hearing, you have to have a deliberation and discuss the changes that.

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Are being requested of you and that have to be put into the plan and then finally making sure it goes.

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To mde for approval to make it official again, this approval with mde has been happening throughout.

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Steps one through six when we get to mde all of this work. We know what the outcome is going.

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To be because, ultimately, we need the approval of mde to move forward with any of the changes.

S

So that brings us to the cost and why we're asking for a fee to be incurred as part of the.

S

Amendment process, not the triannual update the training update, is something that we.

S

Do as part of comar something that we have to do every three years, it benefits us in the local.

S

Jurisdictions within carroll county, so that we would recommend no fee, obviously be done for that.

S

But the amendment cycle is where it takes up a lot of staff time. They happen quite frequently.

S

um Sometimes they have to be done very quickly because it's an emergency for.

S

A particular municipality that needs to have a development go through.

S

Or there's some type of necessity, where a constituent that may be on the boundary.

S

Of the municipality needs twofold, they need to be annexed in because, for some reason they need to.

S

Be on water and or sewer and the towns have it in their codes that they will not supply water.

S

Or sewer, if you're not in the corporate limit, so a lot of this goes hand in hand with annexations.

S

So, as you can see, we broke down um average staff time for each of the discrete um issues.

S

That we have to to do working through a water and sewer amendment, so on average it's 31 hours per.

S

Amendment now this can fluctuate, depending on how many towns come in at an amendment when we process.

S

A spring or a fall amendment we're not doing it for one town; sometimes it can be all the towns.

S

Could come forward? Sometimes it can be one town with a quarter acre property. Really it does not.

S

Fluctuate and how many um acreage or properties or towns come in. That's just a variable. We can't.

S

Control, so we've averaged about 31 hours is what price came up with on average for his time that he.

S

Feels that he spends working through all of the process, um so staff time cost recovery estimate.

S

We've averaged at about 775 dollars, just in those terms again that could fluctuate.

S

Greatly depending um this is probably more on the low end, if we're only doing one or two properties.

S

But if we're multiple properties in multiple town coordination, multiple town planning commissions.

S

This could be a lot longer in time and then we actually have a fixed cost again. That's.

S

Out of our control, depending on what the carroll county times charges, but we have to pay 452.53.

S

Every time we post a hearing ad into the carroll county times which we're required to do by law.

S

So at just a very basic cost, direct to the county, it's about twelve hundred and twenty eight dollars.

S

Per amendment that we process for the county and for the municipalities.

S

So what we would like you all to consider and again this is just a briefing we can come back.

S

For more discussion in a future date is that a fee be collected at the time of submittal of an.

S

Application we do have an application posted on our website for water and sewer amendments. We.

S

Have a process for them to fill out so either by the municipality or the applicant, um and once as.

S

We do with our rezonings or annexations once a complete application packet is accepted. Then we.

S

Will collect a fee at that time, a lot of times we have incomplete submittal, so we would make.

S

Sure everything was together and we could actually process an amendment before we would collect a fee.

S

um And then just to throw out there, you know a consideration that we incorporate a hardship.

S

Waiver, when necessary um and some examples of this would be an annexation because of.

S

A water and sewer service uh is necessary for a single residential parcel that has no additional.

S

Development potential this could be because they have failing systems and they have no reserve.

S

Area they're on the corporate limit, where they can be annexed in to a municipality.

S

And receive those services, sometimes mde requires the town to do that annexation and make them come.

S

Into the system, for these various reasons- and this can be determined on a case-by-case basis,.

S

So a suggested fee that staff is proposing is a 50 cost recovery uh for the.

S

Two amendments that we process for a spring amendment or fall amendment of 400, plus a 50 cost.

S

Recovery of the public hearing ad. So why? I suggest by this? Because there could be multiple properties.

S

From multiple towns coming in, and so it would not be right in my mind, to charge them for the.

S

Full public hearing when there could be multiple, sometimes it could just be one. Sometimes it can be.

S

Multiples coming through, but a special amendment is different. That is something that we do unique.

S

That comes in just for that particular property for that particular town or the county. So we would.

S

Ask them to bear the full brunt of the cost for the public hearing ad um based on you know the.

S

Discussion today, some of the next steps for us would be to uh memorialize this within the county.

S

Town agreements that are signed annually and to work with the municipalities on this fee structure.

S

And how to move forward so are there any questions regarding this aspect of a fee for water and sewer.

I

Miss eisenberg, I I commend you on doing that cost analysis. That's speaking, my language.

I

And business I love seeing staff do that breaking down what our costs and expenses are.

I

It wouldn't be a hypothetical say: a developer wants to get annexed into union bridge.

I

Would they be the ones paying this fee and not the town? If I understand it correctly,.

S

I mean I think that that we can approach it that way, it would have to be on a case-by-case basis.

S

And we can see either we can pass the cost on to the applicant or to the town or the.

S

Town when they, um if it's an annexation, that's something different. So if they're being annexed.

S

And then they have to go on to water and sewer. It just depends on where they are sometimes.

S

That property is already identified as existing or priority, so there would be no change to the.

S

Water and sewer plan that would just be the annexation process itself. This will come into play.

S

If they're, not in a planned service area- or there needs to be some change within the service area,.

S

To incorporate um either a single property or multiple properties, and, and that is something.

S

That we can work out with the towns to do what they feel would be the most reasonable way.

S

To um apply that fee, whether they would want us to have it go directly to the.

S

Applicant the applicant come to us or pass through the town. Thank you for clarification.

B

Linda you're asking that there's no you're you're sharing with us that there's no action necessary.

B

However, you next steps plan on incorporating into the county town agreements.

B

And informing the municipalities so you're sharing with us that this is already a established.

B

You know uh number that you will be putting into the towns uh or do you need our concurrence.

S

I would want your concurrence. I was just telling you what some of the next steps could be to how.

S

We would move forward with this um and if you want to come back for any discussion, this is the first.

S

Time you're hearing this, so I would be happy to come back and maybe reach out to the towns.

S

I didn't want to presume that we were going in this direction prior to speaking with you.

S

Today, but going talking to the towns directly and asking them about their thoughts and how.

S

um We could manage moving this forward, okay, staffing and getting their thoughts.

B

Is is one thing incorporating it into agreements? Is a couple steps I think down the road.

B

uh That we want to make sure we're very clear with as commissioners and the leadership of.

B

The municipalities, um but but the staffing I mean yeah, getting their their thoughts and.

B

Understanding and ideas uh will definitely help us make decisions um any anything else.

B

Nope hearing none, okay, yeah, I think so yeah yeah one second linda. I apologize.

D

Yeah, I think, need time to think in that's okay, to see what, because this has the potential to to.

D

Affect our town county agreements as well, you know and also dissuade people from doing things.

D

So yeah you know, I I think one idea- and uh you know next time, just getting us these slides.

B

Ahead of time kind of to build the discussion it's, this is a lot of valuable information.

B

I think we just need to be a little bit more well. We will be more prepared when we make a decision.

B

In 10 years, not to make a decision right, so, okay, okay, um yeah anything for anybody else.

B

Linda um so, if you're agreeable, then we will move forward and discuss with the towns the possibility.

S

Of moving in this direction of doing a cost recovery for water and sewer and speak with.

S

Them and get their thoughts and see how it becomes implemented, how we would implement that with them.

B

Doing the appropriate staffing is what you know. I think we all would expect.

B

uh Making the decisions would be coming back to us with the feedback from the municipalities.

B

And saying: okay: we're ready to make a decision. So let's put it in front of us, but.

B

Okay, as long as we're saying the same thing we're good yes, we are. I just. I just wanted to make sure.

S

That you are okay with us moving forward of just talking with the staff at the towns.

B

Sure absolutely you've got my expectations. Is that you're talking to the towns, municipalities,.

B

All the time uh staff to staff so yeah, okay, what else.

B

Anything else for the good of the group are we ready to move on.

S

So that was it for that particular topic. The next would be the annexations.

B

Okay, go ahead so again. This is similar to the discussion that we just had on water and sewer.

S

um Again, this was a discussion that we had as an introduction to move forward on january 28th for.

S

Your direction so again, I I have clear stewart with me here today who processes our annexations.

S

And so wanted to just kind of run down a similar presentation with you regarding those.

S

So again, just a brief overview that an annexation is the process, obviously of legally including the.

S

Property into the corporate limits of a city um or a town from an area that is unincorporated outside.

S

Of the municipality annexations must occur under maryland law within the municipal growth area and.

S

This growth area has been jointly established by the county and the municipality and there's two.

S

Types of annexations petition and resolution, so annexations are petitioned by an applicant.

S

Not by the town or the county, we don't ask that properties go into the municipality and the.

S

Municipalities typically do not bring properties in. If they do, then it must be done by a resolution.

S

By the town- and they must have two-thirds of the properties within that annexable area, agreeable.

S

To the annexation, so they just can't say: you're you and you are coming in- that's not how it works.

S

um The municipality processes, the annexation request and submits it to us, the county and.

S

Our main role, just as with water and sewer, is to help organize comments, get it out to.

S

The applicable agencies for review and from time to time, when necessary, work with you, obviously.

S

You've seen these come through is to get a zoning waiver from the board of county commissioners.

S

So over the last five years, we've processed 20 20 applications for annexation.

S

um Annexations that were actually incorporated into the towns were only 16. so and those have.

S

Been really the last seven or eight, only four have gone, um have not been approved within that five in.

S

Those five years for various reasons, um annexation petitions came in and the towns have chosen not to.

S

Bring those properties for whatever reason into um the annexed area uh we've had sykesville. I believe.

S

And claire can clarify more um sakesville's had a few hampstead um where they have not brought.

S

Those properties into the corporate limits, even after the annexation process, has moved forward.

S

And 185 acres of county land has been incorporated into the municipalities over that time.

S

And zoning waivers the last few, so we've had six zoning windows come through as well.

S

So, staff processes these annexations and middles following mml municipal maryland, municipal league.

S

Guidelines and again, these review um ensures a complete annexation. Packet is prepared, many.

S

Times we find in these annexation packets that there's information missing so claire works.

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Very closely with the town and the applicant to make sure that we have full submission.

S

And then we wrap the annexation for comments to the applicable agencies, so we review them.

S

And route them through the county agencies as well as states of middle, so there's a minimum.

S

Of 18 steps that are required under the mml process- and this does not include when a zoning.

S

Waiver is required and, as I said, a zoning waiver is necessary if the annexation area is going to be.

S

More than 50 percent uh of a higher density or intensity of the from the current use to the new.

S

Use so an example would be going from residential to commercial, commercial to industrial or a lower.

S

Density residential zoning category to a more intense zoning district. Again, I'm not going to.

S

Go through all the details, but you can see these are a list of discrete steps that we follow.

S

For each annexation again, this is like two pages of different things that we must do. Some of it is.

S

More detailed than others, some of it is checking off the box, but it's still a lot of work to make.

S

Sure that this process is scored accurately and correctly- and this has been a schematic from mml.

S

um That we've created to show you how many there's six general steps with all these sub steps in.

S

Between that, we must follow in order to get and make sure an accurate package is being put forward.

I

I think I speak for my colleagues when I say we're very glad that we have.

I

A professional staff to handle this because there's no way I could comprehend all this.

S

So may seem that we're just pushing paper or doing something that seems very easy and nominal, but it.

S

Really, truly is not that's why I wanted to show you these slides that there's a lot of detail.

S

That go into this process and the devil is always in the details and making sure they're accurate.

S

And correct so again uh we did a detailed time estimate for annexation and in general, takes about.

S

35 and a half hours of staff time per annexation to move this through the process, so typical cost.

S

Recovery for staff is about a thousand dollars um if we have to do a zoning waiver that takes.

S

A little more time and additional steps to the process that would require um changes uh to the.

S

Process so we would estimate another 375 dollars if the zoning waiver is requested and then even.

S

After the annexation is complete, we still have to work with authorizing map changes with land and.

S

Resource management, as well as making sure things are filed properly with land records in the county.

S

um And municipalities actually do charge annexation fees when they process annexations.

S

For their municipality, so this is what happens within carroll county. These are the carroll.

S

County municipalities and what they charge. So, if you are going into the town of hampstead, you.

S

Pay a flat fee of 700 uh for them to process the request for you. Manchester has no filing.

S

Fee but you must pay the legal fees that are involved um with their town attorney and any.

S

Advertising fees so, depending on how long and how in-depth and annexation is they'll, send you a bill.

S

Mount airy charges a flat fee of 5 000 to cover those costs. New windsor does not charge.

S

Anything, the town of sykesville charges, a flat fee of five hundred dollars for an annexation.

S

Tawny, town and union bridge are similar to manchester, where you pay no filing fee, but.

S

The applicant must pay for the advertising because they do a public hearing. We are not.

S

Responsible for a public hearing on rn, they do a public hearing when it goes to the town council.

S

um You have to pay their attorney's fees, consulting fees and any other fee that may come.

S

Out of the annexation as it progresses through the town system, so again, they'll send you a bill for.

S

That and it's based on case by case westminster, depending on the size and depth of the annexation.

S

They charge between twenty five hundred to five thousand dollars to process an annexation.

S

So again, just as we discussed with the water and sewer that we would look to.

S

Have a fee collected at the time of submittal by the municipality or.

S

Applicant, when a complete package is accepted by the county um again, we can incorporate.

S

A hardship waiver when necessary- and this can be determined on a case-by-case basis,.

S

So again, a suggested uh cost recovery would be half 50 cost recovery.

S

And this is in line with what uh sykesville charges, so we would be no more than the lowest.

S

Cost for the municipality of five hundred dollars. We happen to be what we consider a 50.

S

Cost recovery of staff time we have no direct outline of expenses, we don't have to hold a public.

S

Hearing so we don't have to pay for an advertising again, that's on the town's end. um So with that as.

S

Earning waiver 500 would be that amount and with the zoning waiver uh 750 would be 50 cost republic.

S

Staff time and again, just as I said before, some ways that we can have some next steps would be.

S

Definitely to discuss with the municipalities and possible incorporation if you choose to move in.

S

This direction to incorporate into the county town agreements and that's all I have for you.

B

Thanks and I think similar to the last, you know getting the appropriate staffing with.

B

Municipalities, getting their insight and thoughts coming back sharing it with us, allowing us to then.

B

Make a decision on incorporating uh fees and then also um you know putting them into the county and.

B

Town agreements, uh any thoughts, comments very good briefings, very uh obviously, very detailed.

B

Information commissioner boucher director eisenberg, I really appreciate you breaking.

I

Down the methodology, this makes it easier for us as commissioners to not only sell it, but also.

I

Defend it because so often the ambiguity is where we get in trouble. So breaking all this down is.

I

Very uh sellable and defensible so we we very much appreciate your effort and your staff. So thank you.

B

Okay and miss claire you're, the strong silent type I see.

B

So I think uh we're good to go unless there's anything.

B

Okay, let's, let's move on all right! Thank you, commissioners. You very much thank you.

B

Open admin do we have before we go into open admin? Do we have any public.

B

Comments, yes, sir, I believe we have a few here. We've got three callers, I'm going to call off.

P

One at a time, okay, which one is caller one if you want to go over there before we go into a public.

B

uh Comments again, it is three minutes uh and it is not a build up of three minutes. If you.

B

Would like to talk that's great if you'd like to defer whoever's being deferred to still.

B

Only has those three minutes and we're going to be in a hard stop at three minutes. Each.

B

uh It's also not to build dialogue between the caller and us. uh The intent is to be.

B

uh Ability to gather the information and respond appropriately uh at a later time, so with that.

B

You gotta get our first caller first caller you're on muted.

P

P

You are unmuted, give you a chance to get to that unmute button.

F

It always reminds me of the phil donahue show, which he would say the caller is.

F

That the caller to I'm speaking, all right, we're gonna move to caller two.

G

Good afternoon my name's rob carberry um part of the neighbors of sunshine way.

G

On february 11th we read a statement to you all uh public statement and we then presented that at.

G

Your office and we were curious if you've had any response for us or what we're supposed to do next.

B

Okay again again, sir, the intent here is to get your comments, but not to build the.

B

Dialogue, we will uh respond appropriately. um You know at a later time, but the this.

B

Is not to build the dialogue so okay, well, just to one more time is going then just.

G

Keep in mind that um we really do take this very seriously and we're looking for your.

G

Support in this, and um we hope to hear back from somebody soon. Yes, sir, okay, thank you. Thank you.

Q

Caller number three you're on youtube: hi. My name is michael weiner, I'm also on sunshine way.

T

589 back on february, 11th again our community spoke. We were given the impression that there.

T

Would be a response within a week you can listen, go back and watch the recording of the meeting.

T

It's been two weeks given the weather event that took place so um not having a response today and.

T

Not being recognized in advance is a little concerning given this is a safety issue. We've.

T

Brought forth plenty of evidence of community support, um it was mentioned earlier today that.

T

uh The commissioners have uh are committed to the community, so we would like to see.

T

uh The uh the evidence of that with regards to our situation and.

T

Since we don't have a time frame, we were under the impression we would be getting a response today.

T

uh We will we will be taking this to the to the rest of the community and the public by uh our.

T

Many means we can um to let everybody know. What's going on.

T

This is not something that we should have to wait. This long to have address.

T

We've been trying to work with the county for years and it's just the delays and delays and just.

T

Again right today, the lack of um response just shows where, where it sits on the priority list of.

T

um Of the commissioners at least that's a concern of mine, and I hope that your commissioners can.

T

Look at what we presented to you all and.

T

Back your constituents and provide us uh what we're looking for.

T

This isn't, uh this cannot keep going on. This has to be addressed.

T

So you know please: we will be back next week expecting to be on the agenda expecting there.

T

To be a conversation about this, if there is something that we have to do to formally.

T

Get on the agenda then please, um commissioner, fraser has my contact information.

T

Let me know whatever that is, but we just can't sit back and keep waiting and waiting.

T

We need to have this address as soon as possible. Thank you, hey. Thank you, sir.

B

Did we get caller one back? I believe we have caller six here: okay, caller six you're unmuted.

A

Yes, thank you hi. My name is aaron dockery, I'm also um one of the residents in sunshine way. At.

A

Five six five um again was part of the meeting uh conference last uh two weeks ago, rather and as.

A

The gentleman was reading a letter uh from that just spoke mike wiener. You know I could. I could.

A

Sit there and see the reactions on some of the faces of of select commissioners and in.

A

In my mind, it was, it was a bit uh demeaning to show lack of sincerity and just lack of care.

A

Then again I could be written that wrong. Hopefully I am and, as you all stated earlier, that.

A

Y'all do care about your community, you do work for your community and- and we are, we are your.

A

Community, you know, along with with the rest of carroll county, um the the situation we have on.

A

This on on our road is, I understand, not looked at as severely as it seemed by us. The the residents.

A

Of the neighborhood, but with our kids going out, you know even this way, they're doing snowmen and.

A

Sledding and and finding their friends out in the neighborhood, what not the roads being but.

A

Even in worse, conditions is what they normally are on a regular dry day. um The speed does not.

A

It there there's nothing that deters it. It does not seem that anything that the speed limit signs.

A

Or anything of the sort um now I do understand that, if we're going to have a law in place, we have.

A

To have someone to enforce that law, so the speed limit is 25. We have no one to enforce that. It's 25.

A

Then who's to say what: why is there a speed limit um with the stop signs that we we are.

A

Almost begging for um at least if it stops one car that may be the car that would cause an accident.

A

Or take one of our kids from us or cause damage to the property of of an innocent home. I'm even.

A

So far as too inclined to to pay- and I I will I will pledge to you- know- pay for two: stop signs.

A

My uh to be put into the ground and put up if it's a matter of money from the county side of.

A

Things, um I don't know if any of my other neighbors would be willing to do that, but.

A

um I'm willing myself to finance it I'll talk with my wife and we'll go with that. I think I may have.

A

A few other neighbors in the neighborhood that'd be willing to help out as well, if not be a slow.

A

Process but we'd take care of it. Look forward to hearing back from you all about this matter.

A

I look forward to being on the agenda where we can actually have a discussion.

A

Neighborhood can come together with a spokesperson and deal with it. That way.

A

Again, commissioners, thank you for your time and thank you for all. You do.

B

Yes, sir, thank you or do we have any others. Excuse me, that's all the callers, okay.

B

Okay, so public comment is done uh for open admin. We have closed minutes from.

B

February, 23rd that need to be looked at and approved.

F

Motion to approve dude god, commissioner weaver, I moved to approve that okay, second,.

B

Okay, we have a motion. I think we have a second all in favor for approving those minutes, all right, hi.

B

Okay, we got five uh and open admin. Does anybody have anything for open admin this afternoon at.

B

13 30 or 1 30 we will be having a solid waste work session discussion or work, solid waste.

B

Discussion work session, uh which will also be open. We will be going into closed at 12 p.m.

B

Well, no, we won't we'll be going to the players as soon as we're done with this uh okay for agendas.

M

um The city of westminster has asked the commissioners for their um support.

M

In a grant that they are going after for the maryland heritage areas, authority they're, seeking.

M

Funding to rehab the william durbin house, which I understand is on wakefield valley property. I.

M

Would assume that we would be in support of their app their grant application.

B

I believe so, yes, sir yeah, that where, where is that that's on.

B

Main street, did you see that they were going after a grant by chance and if not we'll talk about.

B

Later I could, I could call um their town manager and ask them if they would like our support, but.

M

They haven't asked them: okay, okay I'll, do that so, starting next week it will be march march 1st.

B

uh We, oh, I will be attending um a ribbon cutting down eldersburg the marathon technology solutions.

B

uh On progress way on tuesday, we will have a open session starting at uh 10 a.m. Mike fowler.

B

Will start with legislative uh update? What's going on down annapolis, we will be talking about.

B

uh Turf mowing around the county, buildings and parks.

B

We'll be looking for a bid approval on the carolyn manor pipe lining.

B

As we will have a stormwater review position discussed by mr developers and mr hein.

B

There will be a request to approve for a grant submission for the fy 22 maryland heritage area.

B

Grant program and then on wednesday uh is the mako. The maryland association counties uh line up.

B

With the land use subcommittee with commissioner frazier, you can take I'll stop you. You can take.

D

All that off of there uh mako will not be meeting now until march, the something uh at least at least.

D

Next, two years: okay, the next two weeks that you can remove mako in the next two weeks: okay, um so.

B

At starting at 2pm 1400, there will be an opioid senior policy group meeting. Commissioner frazier.

B

Will be attending commissioner weaver will be attending the carroll county board of education, fy.

B

22 operation, budget hearing and work session and commissioner wentz will be attending the evening.

B

Planning commission work session on thursday. We have open sessions starting at 9 00 a.m.

B

We'll be talking about kobit, we'll be getting the update from uh mr singer, we'll also be having.

B

Another discussion uh with mr mccoy dealing with fire ems getting a fire ems department, update.

B

We will also be following up with a discussion on the safer grant with mr mccoy and mr zaleski.

B

We will have a faa airport coronavirus response grant program award.

B

We will go over the priority letter: the county transportation priority letter for 2022.

B

Excuse me, we will then have a discussion from mr lyburn.

B

Our economic developer on the harrison lightshow property that later that morning.

B

Friday march 5th, we have nothing to six. We have nothing.

B

On the seventh commissioner, boucher on sunday, we'll have the podcast, which means.

B

That commissioner frazier has a podcast on the week before, whatever that is march 8th this week,.

B

It's very done yeah, it feels like it just just. Is it turn it into monday? It turned into monday no.

F

It'll be it'll, be it'll, be here, it'll be brought on sunday, yeah, okay, don't mess me up there. Man.

B

March, 8th transit advisory council, commissioner frazier will be attending at 3 p.m. Tuesday. We will.

B

Have open session, starting at 10, with a budget overview from mr zalewski at 7 00 pm on the ninth.

B

uh We have an ag center board meeting that I will be attending. There will be no mako on the 10th.

B

On the 1pm uh 310 tempering ribbon, cutting is scheduled to happen in westminster with.

B

Commissioner frazier and I also be attending if that actually happens, there's a little tentative.

B

Situation with that, we'll talk about that, I I know mr lyburn is working that action right. There's a.

B

Governor's workforce development board meeting, I will be attending at 3 30 that afternoon, on.

B

The 10th and then at 5 pm carroll county board of education board meeting commissioner weaver.

B

Is scheduled to attend on thursday we will have a 9 a.m. Yes, thursday march 11th 9 a.m.

B

Open session with uh talking about the state time, I'm with mr singer about what's going on from the.

B

Health department we'll get a legislative update from mr fowler and also an update on.

B

Fire ems from director mccoy we'll then have a community needs assessment survey report.

B

On partnership for a healthier carroll county provided by ms dorothy fox, our.

B

The executive director of the partnership for a healthier carroll, county.

B

We will there will be a request for approval for fy22 submission office of the problem-solving.

B

Courts grant by judge hecker and mr zolowski will be in attendance for that.

B

We'll then go into open admin, nothing on friday, the 12th, nothing on the 13th.

B

And I will have the podcast on 3 14 pi day on sunday. Anything else for the good of the group.

B

I need a motion to go into recess. uh Don't I or should I go into every.

B

Adjourned and then go into closed or not available motion to recess until 1 30.

B

So I got a second I'm I'll. Second [ __ ] ball, I'm over at the mall. Now, as you can see, okay.

D

First, I'm in the hot chair now I'm okay.

B

All in favor give me a thumbs up and we're gonna be going to close.

B