Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 27 Jul 2023

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Okay, good morning it is uh july 27th. We have just want to make sure.

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Open session and then we're going to go into closed for land acquisition immediate following.

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As we always do, let's uh take a moment stand for the pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence.

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To the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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I know we have uh one proclamation and a special uh attendees with us this morning, but prior to.

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That one we go through our priority, carol and kind of talk about. What's on our mind,.

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Mr vigliotti, thank you very much, commissioner rossi, so I will be a quick briefing to the.

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Point this morning, because I know we have a lot and we have some awesome people in the audience. So over the weekend I attended the first ever artisan fest in tawny town, which.

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Is a pretty much what it says it is it's a uh a festival of of local creators, producers.

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Artists, artisans, it was really awesome to go and see the creative talents and communities.

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That are present throughout the county and especially in the northwest area, and it was.

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Also, really cool as well uh that the arts council was also a partner in the event.

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um Wednesday morning I had the pleasure of meeting with the commission on aging and disability and I.

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Was able to relate to them a number of things that we've been up to, including the permitting.

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Of e-bikes on parks and trails uh in certain parts, I'm sorry part on trails in certain parks in the.

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County and they were very interested and very excited about that because, as you know, everybody.

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Knows those who are some people who are elderly and some with facilities have more difficulty.

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Getting around than others, and for them to have the opportunity now to be able to bike in the park.

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In a way, that's more amenable to them. You know they're, very grateful for that. um Obviously august.

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1St uh coming up is national night out throughout the county. Different municipalities and areas will.

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Be hosting events for the community to interact with law enforcement and other first responders.

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um August, 8th, uh the charles carroll community center will be having a ribbon cutting and tours.

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I'll have more details on that next week, but the thing that I did want to focus on this morning.

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And I will not offer any names out of respect for the privacy.

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Of those who are involved, we are asking for assistance for a firefighter and her family.

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One of our firefighters recently experienced a devastating house fire in the family, everybody's.

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Safe everybody's uninjured, but they've lost pretty much everything you know they.

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Are always there for us when we are in need, and now one of them and their family need us.

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So for those who would like to offer assistance the family, which consists of a husband, a wife.

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Two boys, ages, 10 and 14. they're in need of gift cards to cover basic needs, suggested retailers.

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For gift cards include target walmart and local grocery stores. Gift cards can be dropped off in.

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The department of fire and emergency services, room 213 and the county office building.

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And if you're looking to donate some items in particular the following items can be donated.

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To the reese and community volunteer fire company located at 1745 baltimore boulevard in westminster.

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That includes men's shirts sizes, small, medium extra, large and 2xl men's shorts, size, 40 boy.

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Shorts size, 14, 16 and 16 18 or men's small men's shoes, sizes, 13, 10 and a half seven and a half.

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Women's size, xl shirts in size s, size, l, shorts, women's shoes, size, 8 and food treats and toys for.

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Large breed dogs, so if you're able to do anything to help out this family, you know please do so and.

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Certainly not least of which please keep them in their prayers again. These are people that we call.

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On whenever we are in need and if we're able to do anything for them, you know I certainly.

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Think that this is the time now for us to step up and do something for them. And, commissioner, that's.

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All I have this morning, thank you, thank you and thank you for that information. Commissioner kyler.

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Good morning, and thank you for that yeah that that's that's awesome.

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um And and I'm not gonna, do a whole lot of topics number one. uh We had the uh employee.

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Service awards breakfast and- and I just think that's awesome- I think hr does a great job with.

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It and uh I've been blessed throughout my life in in construction to have a lot of employees and and.

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I think the message was there at the breakfast, but um in non-government I always told our employees.

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You probably have more effect on profit or loss than I do and when you guys do your.

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Jobs great my job's easy when you guys don't do your jobs great my job's impossible, so.

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You know, that's that's where the rubber meets the road and- and it was great to honor them.

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um Chris tomlinson and I had a town hall to discuss the ethiopian church. That's going.

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In on bachmann valley, road at 125, plus citizens, there and a lot of feedback we've also offered and.

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I think um they've offered for us to meet at the church and see some of what they're doing yeah the.

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Pictures up, it was quite the crowd there and uh it was great to hear him and great to to see him and.

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A lot of frustration um and a lot of frustration, because I think it's hard for a lot of the.

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Citizens to understand the various processes that some of this stuff goes through and.

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Exactly what is allowed, what isn't allowed and- and uh I really appreciate the feedback we got.

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And uh and they've been active and hopefully will stay active and and, like I say, we've.

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We've been, I think, offered to meet with the uh the church and the monastery principles and.

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I suggested they, they were curious about the town hall and I said you know you're welcome.

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To do one on your property, invite the community and I'll gladly be there. So we'll see what happens.

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um I also wanted to mention I've been going through a lot of graduation parties and.

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Next week we have our 4-h fair and uh it's just a great event. It's what carroll county.

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Is all about and uh to see the uh the 4-h kids out there we've been blessed uh my.

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Kids weren't in 4-h, but we have a lot of friends that were and and they were busy and my kids were.

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Busy doing other things, but we've we've always supported the families, always supported the fair.

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Particularly there's a cake auction on wednesday night and a livestock sale on friday night and.

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Livestock sale probably starts five or six there's a a dinner before that and it'll probably go on.

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Till 1am or so um cake auction might not, I think, it's seven o'clock and it probably won't be that.

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Late, if, if you don't want to be a buyer, that's that's fine, but it's a great event to come. See.

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And and I was so uh impressed even during covid you'd- see business people, farm people other.

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Residents there paying way too much for a hog or a steer, because some 4-h girl was in her last year.

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And going away to college, and they just would would have a bidding war to try to support her.

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It's it's a great thing to see and, and I encourage everybody to go there and plus that's a kosher hog.

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Yeah yeah, I got a request last year so to buy the first kosher hog that came up for the night.

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So it's a little expensive, so I called a farm friend yeah and I actually got the granddaughter.

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And first she said: are you a miss rhonda, jewish and I said no? No, but I do have friends that are.

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And I want to kosher hog, that's right. Well, if we tell my grandfather, I bet he can get you one. So we.

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Almost I had one auction, but it didn't quite work out. So I'm sorry I I didn't do it. I feel like it's.

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A caffeine, it's interesting that you're harassing me, because uh I have a challenge for you. First, I.

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Want to explain to everybody, I'm not wearing a tie today. It's not because of the heat it's and.

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And I'm sure I can get help on this. The tie that I like to wear with this. I could not get the not.

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Symmetrical and I didn't cut the tie up, but I did get quite frustrated and, and my wife said.

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Don't wear a tie just get on the road get out of here, so I'm not wearing a tie today, but your.

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People are very familiar with wet bulb. I'd like.

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To see a commissioner's wet ball, we can come based on what you tell us: okay, hey thai or no time yeah.

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um Three button shirt as long as commissioner vigliotti. Well I'm going to get to that. I'm.

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Going to get to that okay um and a three-button shirt yeah t-shirt, I hear you tank top and I'm.

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Probably not allowed to say this in a meeting, but in the old days people called them. Wife.

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Beaters, no don't say that I I I'd love to sit next to a fellow commissioner wearing a tank.

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Top at one of our meetings, so I you you've, got to control us and do that I hear you, can I get.

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A tank top with a tie printed on it. We could figure this out. I think, uh thank you. I'm done.

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Because it is and uh just before passing it on, it is very dangerous out there and it is.

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um You know going to get up into the very high 90s um and you know we have our shelters in.

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Place so please please look out for each other um and do not allow uh animals or.

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You know children, infants in cars where they think they're just going to run into a store.

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And get something because, unfortunately, they get held up or the amount of heat that goes into those.

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Vehicles is just incredible and so so dangerous. So let's continue to look out for each other, but.

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uh And it is serious, it is very serious, but I I do agree um that you know it's not a bad idea. You.

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Know to to show that, yes, we understand it as well. So, okay, uh commissioner, gordon thank you first and.

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Foremost would like to thank everyone involved earlier this week that we had the gas leak issue.

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In westminster and uh was very appreciative- and I know it was a lot of frustration for.

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A lot of people getting home that evening, but wanted to thank all the parties involved with.

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That, obviously, that was resolved as quickly and as safely as it could be, and so thank you to everyone.

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Involved next wanted to mention this july 21 to july 31st. Is the maryland buy local challenge so.

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The challenge is that we support local farms, I'm going to take his challenge a step further july.

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21 to 31 is not long enough. Carroll county is an ag community. If you can, please support your.

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Local businesses that are local ag, be it a farm stand, be it any of the various entities. I'm not.

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Going to name any this morning because I'm going to get in trouble, if I don't name them all, but please support them. That money obviously goes back into our communities not only to help.

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Those families and businesses, but it also ends up with things like our 4-h fair. uh You know little.

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League sports- and it is part of what is the fabric of our community. So when you can buy local and.

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It's it's going to be in many cases much safer than buying on the national level uh monday. I.

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Was in attendance at lindy mcnulty, who owns gizmos framing the net, which is a networking lunch called.

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um Lunch about nothing at raphael's, that was a very nice event. A wide array of people in the.

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Community attend elected officials, uh non-profit uh executive directors and other employees, people.

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In the community business owners just a good time to get together and kind of see, what's going on in.

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Your community so just wanted to plug that real quickly. If you have an opportunity on a monday.

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That that's taking place I'd highly recommend it. As commissioner kyler already mentioned, we.

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Have the fair coming up, I will be there with a variety of folks at the cake auction we'll see.

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What happens this year? I don't know how crazy it's going to get, but always a good time by all, and you.

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Know it's 126th annual uh fair, so we've got a good thing going and we've been very wise in how we.

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Handle it it's a great opportunity, so please come out to that and- and commissioner gordon I know.

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You're involved with uh one of the groups that get into the bidding ward, the last two years, if.

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I'm right there was at least one cake that sold for over fifteen thousand dollars. Yes, it's been.

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The last couple I think, and the one two years ago I got a little slice of it and I couldn't.

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Afford it, but I I got a slice. I don't even want to know what that broke down to per slice.

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But yes, please come out to the fair, but since since you bring it up, uh if you can't afford.

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The auction- and there are so many of great um you- know- young men and women, uh boys and girls- that.

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Make these cakes and cookies and other things that, if you're not going to be at the auction.

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To do it, you know to to spend that money. The second third place. You know you can go inside.

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And purchase absolutely or a whole lot less, and it is just it's wonderful and by the end of the.

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Night, everything is gone, so absolutely no support everybody, it's not one or the other. It's everyone.

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um Yesterday, myself, commissioner rothstein and commissioner kyler attended the employee.

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Service recognition breakfast, it was a tremendous event- uh was celebrating the milestones, ranging.

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From 5 to 45 years of service, which totaled 1820 years of service for those recognized- and I just.

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Think that's a huge testament to the men and women that were in attendance. You know that.

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We're truly blessed in this community to have that level of dedication from our staff and.

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The people which they don't work for us they work for the community, so I just want to say.

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Thank you, and I know that word gets used a lot, but a serious heartfelt thank you to everyone.

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Involved with that absolutely incredible and then also coming up in westminster, we.

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Have multiple locations on august 1st for the national night out, I will be making the rounds.

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Through, I believe, all of them, I hope to see everyone out and come out and interact with all.

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The different groups that will be in attendance definitely will be a fun evening in westminster.

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And then also next, after that, coming up, we've got the carol biz challenge, which you know it's a.

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Shark tank in carroll county so come out check out some of the groups. It's always interesting to see.

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What interesting and fascinating ideas come out of our local community and definitely a worthwhile.

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Event to support with our local chamber of commerce and then also we have the wreaths across.

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America event held by a babylon vault that will be on saturday, that is a vietnam veteran welcome home.

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Painting event: there will be a naval submariner who is 99.99. Thank you. I cannot see that 99 year.

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Old veteran, who will be in attendance, which is absolutely incredible, and just remarkable and.

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Just will be a good time held by all, and I do want to mention the same day. There was supposed to be.

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The westminster fire company was having an event. Unfortunately, that is going to be rescheduled. That.

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Was canceled so if anyone had either signed up or was planning to try to attend that? Please note.

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That that has been canceled for august 5th, but will be rescheduled and that's all I have this.

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Morning, thank you, okay. Thank you, commissioner. Karen thank you good morning, carroll county. I.

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Had a few comments, but I'm going to keep it brief, because we have three very special guests. This.

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Morning, that's right! You three right there in the middle! I'm talking about you guys so uh I'll keep.

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It brief it's hard to believe that it's almost august, so it's almost the end of the fire company.

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Carnival season, but it's not quite the end, so I want to remind everybody that on the 31st of july.

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Coming up here through the fifth is the mount airy fire company carnival and then that's followed by.

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The hampstead fire company carnival from the 7th to the 12th. So if you haven't been to a carnival.

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This year- and I hope you have you've- got two more chances to go. You don't have to just go once.

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So please come out and support your local fire companies and a reminder that the mount airy mile.

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Is taking place on august 12th, so if you're interested in participating in that, please go.

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To their website and sign up, I think it starts at nine o'clock, but you can get all the information.

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You can from there I wanted to mention we're going to come out with something from the.

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County here, but I wanted to mention an important anniversary: it is the one year anniversary of the.

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Official rollout of 988 988 is a is a emergency support, number 24 hours a day. It's free and.

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Confidential uh calls are answered immediately: they're staffed by mental health specialists.

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For the support you need we're going to hear from our director of citizen services and then.

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We have some folks from the department of health here, so I I think they you know and.

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I would be curious to hear your thoughts on how things are going, but there's some pretty.

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Amazing statistics and I think, there's working so for people who aren't aware of 988. It's not.

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A national call center there are actually 200 state and local centers around the country.

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That are designed to support regional needs this year. So far according to what I've just read, they.

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Have had four million calls: that's up, 33 percent from 2021, so if you're asking, if 988 is working.

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I think it is no doubt that people are actually using it. I'm pleased to serve as as an ambassador.

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For 988, and I'm also encouraged by what I see from our meetings that they're very much interested.

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In adjusting as they go on they're looking at the metrics they're looking at the data, they're.

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Bringing new things online to try to find better ways to perform, to try and find better ways, not.

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Just faster response on calls, which really can't get much faster than is, it can be mere seconds.

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But you know how to improve the performance and what they're providing for people. So I think we're.

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Going to put out something at the county level uh and and to mark that anniversary. But it's an.

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Important one and this program, I want everybody to be aware of, is working and if you've got loved.

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Ones that are in distress, you've got woman's that are in crisis. They just need something.

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988 very simple to remember, and please encourage them to give them a call. It is not hard to do.

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There's no excuse not to do it. You just gotta dial, three numbers, and that is all for me. Thank you. No.

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I I appreciate that and um definitely echo um the importance of that and understanding. It's not just.

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It is not a national hotline, but it's regional. So if you're traveling and you're on vacation.

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You call from your number they're tying that number to your local. You know where you're.

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Calling you know not where you're calling from but the number itself so 443 is tied.

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To this region, you're going to be reaching out to somebody um in support from this region.

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You know I and I've shared this with you. I talked to the va a lot. You know uh for my own health and.

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um When you call the va before you get an actual individual, um it talks about the suicide hotline.

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And it talks about 988 and the importance of 980., so the more we have the opportunities to highlight.

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That the better off we are so really appreciate that um a lot was already covered. One thing.

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um I do have a tickle my throat a little raspiness just coming over again over covid um and the.

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Reason I'm bringing that up, is uh it's still there and you uh I I got diagnosed, went to urgent care.

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Got pax lovid, I'm negative, uh so therefore, I feel comfortable coming in, except for this cough.

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um But it is still there and we still got to watch out for it um low-grade fever. It's going.

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To exhaust you- and you got to be able to thanks and you got to be able to take care of yourself.

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And your family, the last thing, commissioner kyler brought up the town hall with the ethiopian church.

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We're doing our best to reach out to the community. I ask the community to reciprocate.

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And a lot is said on social media and I know there's blogs out there, but a lot of times. It's.

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um Circular discussions and honestly half truths, but not all the the details or the information put.

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Into context, and if it's frustrating um with some of that, it's frustrating for me, because I do not.

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Get on social media and inject myself into any of these conversations anytime, somebody brings it out.

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To me I'll say: reach out at this number or this email address and then once the information is.

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Provided by me you know you can attribute it to me and you can put it wherever you want back on.

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Social media, um but I don't want to inject because again it it gets information out of context and.

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There is development and there is growth and there's um change happening in carroll county. Some.

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People appreciate that other people- don't some of these uh almost say bloggers, but folks that are.

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Injecting information again are are very skewed in one way or another, and I'm trying it's our role to.

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Put out as much of the right information in context and be as objective as we can.

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um Because there is there's just a lot of things happening, I know down in the eldersburg area on.

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26. and I know in other parts of of the county, so it's a plea use us, you know you, you know not.

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Just uh here in the dice we are 24 7. and you know I know I believe we are as responsive as.

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We can be so just continue to do that. um Yeah. The last thing again a plea just take care of.

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Ourselves, as far as the you know, the heat and, uh I know I know health department. I.

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Got water I got this, this is good, so, in other words, tell me to shut up and move on so okay.

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um Commissioner corner, I think you have a proclamation and while you.

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Do that you want to bring people up to the table, it's on you sure.

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If you want to bring up the boys and girls club of carroll county, if we could.

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So today we have a proclamation. This is in recognition of jalen, lemon boys and girls club.

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Of carroll county youth of the year, whereas the boys and girls club of carroll, county names, jalen.

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Lemon as its 2023 youth of the year with youth of the year being the boys and girls club of.

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America's premier recognition program celebrating the achievements of the club, members and boys and.

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Girls clubs are located throughout carroll county, providing youth development programs to the more.

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Than 670 youths who aim to be tomorrow's leaders and boys and girls clubs are the setting where.

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Great futures start and they and they are the forefront of efforts to support academic success.

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Healthy lifestyles and character and leadership, development and the youth of the year title is.

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A prestigious honor bestowed upon an exemplary youth person in the recognition of leadership.

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Service, academic excellence and dedication to living a healthy lifestyle and the highest honor.

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That a team member can receive jalen lemon is a long time. Member of the boys and girls club.

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Of carroll county, who served as a leader and a mentor embodying the club's mission engaging in.

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Activities promoting wellness leadership and empowerment as an advocate for the importance.

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Of mentorship and health coping skills that promote mental health, jalen used her voice to.

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Inspire youth throughout carroll, county and jalen is also the 2023 maryland state youth of the year.

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And serves as a role model leader and advocate for many youths served by the boys and girls.

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Clubs locally and nationally now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, do wish to.

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Honor jalen lemon as an outstanding citizen and a champion for carroll, county's, youth and.

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Congratulate her on this recognition and do hereby proclaim thursday july 27 2023 as jalen lemon day.

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Adopted this 27th day of july 2023, the board of carroll county commissioners, cool [applause].

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Guys so much I appreciate coming out here and talking to you guys about my journey of becoming.

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A mentor, and now you know going to boys and girls club and being in maryland state every year.

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Boys and girls club has definitely helped me they become. They help me to become a strong.

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Confident and resilient woman, the mentors have been absolutely amazing. I wouldn't have done it.

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Without mr sean taking me in when I was five years old by being raised by a single mother.

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That's hard and I couldn't have done it without miss aaron, always encouraging me always being.

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There for me and helping me out, I couldn't have done it without miss molly, all the mentors at.

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Boys and girls club they've definitely been a huge help and definitely helped me with my.

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Mental health by me struggling and then me always empowering and being the best person that I can.

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Be so I want to say thank you guys so much. I do appreciate being here wow. Thank you. So what grade.

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Are you in I just graduated from high school and were you going to be going to school? I'm gonna go.

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To carroll community college for nursing, fantastic, yes, it's awesome! Thank you. Okay, any uh comments or.

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I'm pretty impressive, it can one of the three of you real quickly kind of just tell.

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A brief history of where you are in westminster and now you're, the boys and girls club of carroll.

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County going to be active in hampstead and and other towns after that, so if you don't mind just.

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Yeah, so um you know so we have a presentation kind of to kind of share what we've been doing.

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But uh this has been a record-breaking year for us um here in carroll county and we are now serving.

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All five elementary schools, two middle schools and two high schools in westminster through the.

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Notting carol funding, we have been able to expand to middle schools in taneytown in north carol and.

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Hampstead sykesville and then this year mount airy. So all of that growth with the catalyst for.

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Us changing our name this year in january to the boys and girls clubs of carroll county, because we.

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Want to make sure that we're embracing the entire county and making sure that youth in the entire.

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County know that we're here for them we served 670 kids this year, so that was a huge number for.

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Us and and a record record-breaking number for us um did you want to slides up yeah if we want to.

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Do the slides now that's great chris, we're matt somebody! That's that slides decks right in front.

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Of them ready for them, you could just do it. Yeah! um It's it's where's! Celine! Sorry, thank you. Celine.

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Yep, I can switch spaces nope. I got it here. So if you want to go to the third slide, that'd be great.

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There you go nope you had, it is that there nope.

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Okay, so, as I said, we, we served a record-breaking number of of kids this year and we have expanded.

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Throughout the county- and we offer programs in um in many different areas and there's an old.

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Ackerman acronym that we use called chase. We offer a variety of programs, so we don't ever.

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Chase kids away, and so those programs have sean go to the next slide, are c stands for character.

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And leadership, development and that's huge and you'll, see that as you meet some of our young.

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People today that that leadership development is a very important piece in their growth and maturity.

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Health and life skills. We work a lot on our prevention programs, making sure that kids know how.

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To make positive choices and they understand what a healthy choice looks like and they understand.

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What coping skills look like the arts got to have? The arts got to be a way to express yourself and.

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To be comfortable sports and recreation, get our kids moving, get them out there get them active.

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They learn teamwork, they learn collaboration that way they learn cooperation and then education and.

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Career readiness so we're working with our kids every single day on homework, we're making sure.

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That their grades are good if they're not they're, getting a little extra support from our tutors and.

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We have a new workforce development program in place for our middle and high schoolers, so that.

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They're able to kind of have an idea of what that next step looks like in their education journey. I.

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Think it's most important for you guys to hear what the kids have to say. So we just got some.

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Of our boys and girls club data that just came out, and so I I wanted to share a little bit about what.

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The kids are saying at the club, 84 percent of kids that go to boys and girls club, say my ideas matter.

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And that people are paying attention to what I have to say. 93 say people accept me for who I am.

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93 say adults care about me and about 84 of the kids that are attending boys and girls. Club are.

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Getting grades that are mostly a's and b's so again, I think that speaks a lot to the work that.

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We're doing um the mental health crisis in our county and actually just nationally, is something.

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That's not going away uh we're seeing that kovid did not do any favors with our youth and they're.

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Still struggling to come out of that, and so we're very attentive to the mental health crisis and.

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What we need to do to make sure that we're putting the appropriate skills in place for our kids so.

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We are running programs that are constantly helping our kids to deal with mental health.

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And to strengthen their mental health become more resilient, we run mindful mondays every monday. It's.

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The beginning of the new week, we want them to frame their mind in a positive mindset to start.

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The week off: well, we have our teen night programs, where we give our um our teenagers a safe place to.

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Hang out in westminster at our club with karen adult professionals, we have a theme and that's.

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Always a favorite, we run a positive action program with our elementary school students. We have a.

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Licensed social worker on staff, molly, yingling, and so she runs those programs every day and they they.

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Talk about everything from understanding your feelings and what their consequences are into.

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How to be kind to someone into what bullying might look like and how you can make sure that.

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Doesn't happen so we're starting at the youngest age and trying to help lay those foundations. Our.

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Bgc rising is our prevention program, where we're educating our kids on substance use and how that.

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They can prevent that in their lives, and that is also our smart moves program that is at the.

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Middle school sites and then our community chats, where we're opening the floor and letting our kids.

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Talk about the the ideas and the subjects that are the most important to them. So that's important.

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I think we all saw the risky the risky uh behavior survey that that basically said that middle school.

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Kids are feeling sad and hopeless at a higher rate than normal, and so that's something that we want.

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To make sure we're addressing one of the ways that we address, this is through our leadership academy,.

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It's a program specifically aimed at teens. They have very unique needs when you look at a summer.

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Camp situation, those summer camps, age out at age, 13. and then you've got this whole group.

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Of kids that are not necessarily need to be home by themselves all summer long with nothing to do.

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So we've developed a leadership academy that addresses that exactly so, our junior leaders.

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Are our high school youth, our leaders in training, our middle school youth? It's a program that runs.

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Year-Round but during the summer they come to our club in westminster and they are part of a.

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10-Week leadership boot camp, so they're they're, building, resilience, they're learning, teamwork,.

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They're part of a workforce development academy at carroll community college, where they're exploring.

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Some different career paths for themselves and they're learning how to be mentors and role.

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Models to other kids and then those are skills that carry on into life for them. So it's a very.

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Very valuable, valuable program for us and as we surveyed kids, that were part of the leadership.

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Academy, what we saw was 81 percent of them plan to attend college after completing the leadership.

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Academy 89 said that they developed leadership, teamwork or integrity through the program.

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um 86 percent have now had a work experience as a result of that 57 said the club arranged.

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That worked experience for them so anytime we can do that. We do and.

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97 think that they have developed the skills that they need to be successful.

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In a future job, so I feel like that's a huge impact. Sean I'm gonna jump to the next part.

J

Well now jalen has a day named after her, and so does my predecessor bonnie.

J

Mishulum, so I got my work cut out for me. I want to hand something if I can come on up.

G

Thank you awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice.

J

So we appreciate you giving us the opportunity and spending some time with us, as you heard from.

J

Miss aaron, we we have a lot going on we're very excited about it and we're really looking to.

J

Capitalize off that momentum, with the name change, you know we started, you know in the fall of this.

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Year started looking at different expanding opportunities, and you know the north carroll.

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um Potential, you know it's just something that we we couldn't stay away from. We saw that we saw.

J

The smart growth potential there and the need in that county and we're capitalizing off of.

J

It so we're currently in the in the process of renovating 16 000 square feet at the old.

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North carroll high school, if you're familiar with the space, that's in the old science wing.

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um The goal, and we are on target- is to open this fall, hopefully in october with that goal,.

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um You know we will do a smart growth opportunity right, we're gonna, we're gonna open it up. Three.

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Days a week to start and we're going to launch to teens initially it'd, be that manchester valley.

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North carroll middle, where we already have a community impact site and shiloh, will be the.

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Third school tying into that eventually, you know as resources become available and we put.

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Together some sustainability funds, we will look to then move into phase two, where we introduce.

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The elementary schools to that site carroll county public schools is 100 on board with.

J

Our expansion they send about nine buses to our current location at our flagship location.

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On main street and they're going to do the same over in that part of the county, aaron mentioned.

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It will be home to our leadership academy, so we have dedicated space that we are renovating.

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Just for team leaders, aaron mentioned we run a traditional summer camp or summer sessions here at.

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Our flagship location, we have about 155, campers, 13 and under, and then we have the capacity to.

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Work with about 30 to 35 of these lits and junior staff of some each summer, um we wish we could do.

J

More right, but we have to be very, very selective in that process. Moving to north carroll, we will.

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Not run a traditional summer camp, we will launch a leadership academy there, so we will have kids from.

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All over the county, and even we think some kids might come across borders from baltimore county.

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To participate in our leadership academy, that's going on in the summer there and you know we're.

J

Looking to have well over 100 in the initial year year, one so that's exciting! For us, we just.

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See the benefits and and we've heard, the feedback from the kids as far as this program that we've.

J

Grown over the past 10 years, it just has so many positive results and impacts on our kids.

J

So what kind of things will take place after school? At north carroll? We have academics.

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Academic spaces that coincide with our program called power hour, where we work with students on.

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Their educational needs we'll have a leadership center. A workforce development center, miss aaron.

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Mentioned that we do have a cohort of kids that goes over to carroll community college and takes.

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Place in those certificate programs and career exploration, we will be able to bring a lot of.

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That on site at our north carol expansion site a gaming lounge, of course you got to have the games.

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Stem center with a greenhouse we've learned more about greenhouses in the past couple weeks than.

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I thought I would, but we had at the old high school there's a second story greenhouse, so.

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We're transforming that into our stem center and greenhouse we're going to replace the glass.

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And we have a gentleman who made a significant gift and he actually has a patent on hydroponic.

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Systems so, if you've ever been over to the local homestead and mr trevor over there has you know.

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He's growing stuff year round inside and we were told, we'd- be able to fill three basketball courts.

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Worth of lettuce, that's a lot of lettuce, so we might have to. We might have the game plan around.

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That come to us for your lessons, yeah well, we'll have plenty of lettuce. Trevor has the pen trevor.

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Doesn't have the patent, but it's similar to what trevor has over at the greenhouse yeah.

J

um A dedicated teen center, miss aaron, mentioned the art studio. The.

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Internet cafe- and I think what makes this so appealing- we really received a lot of positive.

J

um Positive feedback from our our main street location. It was one of the first of its kind. It.

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Was a 17 000 square foot facility on downtown store front main street when you drive past.

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It it just looks like a storefront, but when you walk inside it's 17 000 square feet, you.

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Know fit with a gymnasium, you know, because of proximity we have access to outdoor space at.

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City park and east middle, but this new location we are receiving that we're starting to create.

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The buzz as well with with our maryland partners and our northeast region is because it's going to.

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Be housed on a basically a 70 acre sports complex. You know the plans that copper, mine and blue ocean.

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Have there you know those are all opportunities you know outside of our sixteen thousand square.

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Feet that they have promised that we would be able to use in kind. So if the gymnasiums, the.

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Two gyms, you know the turf fields which they have the in in the future planning on doing the beach.

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Volleyball, the pickleball, if those aren't being utilized during that out of school time, you know.

J

Our kids would be able to take advantage of it, so we mentioned the smart growth opportunity.

J

um The numbers are kind of conservative, I think you know 150 year, one one 175 year, two.

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um Year, 3 225, but I would say in the next five to seven years. This has the potential.

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To be even bigger than our westminster location because of the space and what comes along with it,.

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um I'll go to the next slide. This is just a short visual of what it looks like.

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um Thank you, mr josh cohn, for putting us this together, but at the bottom left corner is the.

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Will be the entry side um coming up the stairwell into the second floor and that.

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Side faces route 482, so you can kind of kind of get your bearings there. We'll.

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Went through the 482 side, we'll have our own entrance and, as you can see on those.

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Handouts I gave you that'll that'll kind of go on the front page. There kind of illustrate that.

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And then you know people are asking: how can how can you help right so help us spread the.

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Word, this is very much a marketing campaign for us. You know similar to what we we did in westminster.

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I think we did a hundred and some tours- and you know a couple months during our capital campaign.

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um To move to that facility, you know: we've had some business luncheons, we're hosting another.

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One set in september, we have an open house and on august 15th, if you'd like to come, join our.

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Second, open house, um but come take a tour reach out to us. We'd be happy to you know, connect you.

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To one of our group tours, we have going on or or private tour. We always have someone whether it's.

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Myself, miss aaron, miss debbie, mr jim someone. Over there. You know working with the different vendors.

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And contractors that we have in there now so we'd be happy to show you around. um If you want to help.

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Once things get up in in in launching in in that you know, north carol has kids running through the.

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Halls again, you know um we always talk about time, talent, treasure right. If you have the time you.

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Know- and you can help you know- we'd appreciate that investment. If you have the talent you know.

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Whether it's music, it's dance, it's you're, a good good. At math. We need math tutors, you know we. We.

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Would appreciate that investment, if you have the treasure, if you have the means to make a gift.

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um You know, you know it cost us. You know. Kids pay thirty dollars for an entire school year.

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To attend our program, but it cost us on average, a five-day program, 3 500, to house that student.

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For the school year, so we rely heavily on the community um and you know corporate donors.

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Individual donors and sponsorships for us to fund our fund, our facilities. So that's how you can help.

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I do want to point out that we will be visiting all of the schools that we'll be feeding into.

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North carroll, at the back to school night, so man valley north carroll, where we already have a very.

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Strong presence and then shiloh, which will be new to us, so we won't, although we won't.

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Be opening in there until october, we do want to get kids registered uh to join as soon as we can.

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um I also want to take a second to introduce ray. Who I brought up here. Ray is one of our students.

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From our north carroll middle school site, and so she is going to be attending this news site and.

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So I just thought we can tell you a lot about it and share our enthusiasm, but we always like.

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You to hear from the kids, because you know what it's their club they're, the ones that.

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Really matter, and so I just kind of wanted ray to tell you a little bit about her experience and.

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What she's, looking forward to as the new site opens good morning good morning, commissioners.

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um The north carol site is absolutely excellent. Like the mentor is there, they.

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Helped me learn and get they have helped me get my grades in checked many times.

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um But it's also an opportunity to like mature but also like develop. And though I went to the.

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North carol said I'm now in the leadership and training program with the summer camp right now,.

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And it's just a big opportunity for me to learn and expand, and I just love it there and it's.

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Happy to see the north carroll high school will finally be put to use, though it is, but, like I.

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It's gonna be fun to see kids in there because I in my lifetime, I haven't ever seen like kids.

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In there, but it's gonna be fun to see all these schools come together in north carol, high school.

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Because I'm just happy to see my friends and like eighth grade who are going to man valley, see them.

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There too, and some shiloh kids, and it should just be like a really fun opportunity, and I can't wait.

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To see where it goes and grows up to oh ray, I do have to tell you. We took some of the westminster.

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Kids out there the other night and they were a little jealous well- and it's not even done yet.

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So they were a little jealous. Ray very well said, thank you. So what else and then last but not least,.

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We always like to to end on the success story. Some of you might have met this individual edwin.

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um I don't want to tell you: he became a man at the boys and girls club. Okay, he started off in.

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His younger years at the boys and girls club a little lost looking for purpose, and um you know.

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Through our programs and leadership program and mentorship, you know he was able to find just that.

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um Edwin will be attending uh frostburg state university. This year he received sixteen thousand.

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Three hundred dollars in bgc scholarships. He was a passport to manhood mentor. He went through our.

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Junior leaders program in the lit program and came up in the ranks um edward was introduced.

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To running in our run, team, edwin swearsey is going to be a professional soccer player and.

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We're like edwin, you might be good at soccer buddy, but you can run right. That's your strength, so we.

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Talked him in to come into our uh onto our run team coached by uh john and lauren, while at the.

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Time and we entered various races, the baltimore city, 5k, and a lot of the local races and edwin.

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Was a front-runner he was always running up front and we told him you should really really take a.

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Look at you know maybe track or cross country or something so he took. The bait um went, went out.

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For the track team in his first year, he finished third in the state in the 400 meter hurdles and.

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Some college coach just started taking notice and ed would finish up a senior year at westminster.

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High this year and he will be going to frostburg state university, where he received a good bit of.

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Scholarship money and he will be participating on the track team. There was a time in edwin's life.

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That he didn't think that this would be possible. He gives a lot of credit to the boys and girls.

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Club and the leadership programming um to you know helping that come to fruition because he's.

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Been told by some individuals that he shouldn't even look at college and that he should start.

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Preparing, for you know the workforce and other things, and you know college isn't for everyone.

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But edward really wanted to be the first person in his family to attend college and he was able.

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To make that happen so and he will be studying mechanical engineering. So it's a great news story.

J

Yeah and that and that's all we have, if you have any questions or do you want to yeah yeah and I.

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Think I'll share imani when we talk in not in carol funding, yeah questions or comments just.

E

One one more comment and- and uh I've been to the westminster facility a few times and it's.

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Awesome and I've only been here once so far, but but what you're doing is awesome and.

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Blue ocean and copper mine have been very community friendly, their business and.

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And he'd act like a business because we want him to stay um north carolina, rec council's active.

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There some two homeschool groups are active in the other end of the building, so you've got a.

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Lot of things going on and then uh I don't need to plug him because he'll plug him, but you have the.

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Sheriff's presence and it's nice a for security. We had a. We had a wrestling tournament, some kids.

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Broke in through your greenhouse yeah- um and uh I think the next day they confess to things.

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People didn't even know they'd ever done, you know the sheriff has an office that that doesn't lead.

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To good things, so so you've got a and I'm sure you guys are so good at using all the resources.

E

Around you and to me it's so nice, the sros in our public schools and your and their presence. There.

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It's so nice for kids to see a uniformed officer and respect, and I mean we mentioned carnivals.

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um I think sykesville carnival was the best, but at all the carnivals I'll see an out of uniform.

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Sro with kids running up to them, oh hi, you're at the carnival. You know it just develops such.

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Good relationships, so uh thanks for getting over there and uh it's going to be exciting, we're going.

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To get the sheriff's department on our run team out there too, so so that could be some of their.

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Training yeah there's going to be some some weekly kickball games yeah. um I I just wanted.

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To re-emphasize what sean said, this is a this is a new community. For us I mean, even though we've been.

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At north carroll middle school, that's a little bit of a different. um You know type of interaction.

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And so we just encourage everyone who is in the hampstead manchester community to you know, reach.

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Out come in see what we're doing learn a little bit about us. You know we're we're the new kids in.

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Town but we're excited to engage in the community and you know again, our goal is to help kids so.

A

Any other comments or something I find it interesting um and kind of you know.

D

Heartbreaking that you know one in four of maryland's youth have seriously considered.

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Suicide but then to find a location like you guys, a service that you guys provide where 93 percent.

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Accept feel accepted right I mean that that's the difference between life and death, sometimes um and.

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Then, to have a place where people can young people can go and be who they are given the circumstances.

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That they find themselves in and that you guys provide the skill to to get them through.

D

um I will say two other quick things too. I think you have no stronger champion than commissioner.

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Gordon, who spares no expense to let us know, what's going on in ways that we can assist or.

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Ways that we can help- and I think it really is to his credit and he's a blessing to you- guys that he.

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Does what he does for you and then I guess, like kind of a question I mean, isn't there a giraffe.

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Or something oh, there's a draft. Yes, the giraffe was here for a while. Where is stella these days.

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She just came back to the club for the first time in a year, she's been traveling all over.

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Westminster, she was a little time. She came back for a change of clothes and she had on.

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A boys and girls club of westminster shirt and she needs the boys and girls clubs of carroll.

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County shirt now so maybe judge hecker will take uh stella she's ready for her next journey. It's.

A

An opportunity to being court yeah but- um and we are very thankful to commissioner gordon- um you.

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Know he has had an opportunity to be in the boys and girls club and work with kids like.

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From from day one firsthand- and I think that's when you really see the impact, I.

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Mean we can tell you and share all kinds of wonderful data with you, but when you walk in.

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Those doors and you feel the culture and you meet the kids and you see the impact firsthand.

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It really is heartwarming and it really does get you connected. There's an old picture of.

G

I will uh I will echo some of that I so I got to know both of you and debbie and what you're doing.

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In westminster in mount airy through commissioner gordon so for that I am eternally grateful. I would.

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Encourage county residents to really take a look at what boys and girls club of carroll county is.

G

Doing it is amazing work and you get to serve as a judge on our youth of the year this year. I I.

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Did I served at thank you, I served as a judge down in mount airy middle school for your uh yeah and.

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I will say tremendous support from the the school staff down there as well. I sat with the principal.

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To interview everybody, it was really impressive, it was a great experience and I I can't say enough.

G

About the club, boys and girls club of carroll county, it is doing some amazing work thanks.

G

In large part to both of you and debbie, and your staff and the people that are pitching in to help.

G

Out make it better from the inside, so thank you so much well! Thank you for your time. We appreciate.

A

It okay, what um let's get a photo with the proclamation of the lady of the year of the day.

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Are we getting in.

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All right, three, two one.

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And I'll take extras there you go.

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Thank you. Okay,.

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A

With a very uh mr president, do you want to take the judge out of order, so he could get.

M

Back to the courtroom, if that's okay, I would appreciate that yeah [laughter].

D

We're looking at the grant approval to submit fy25 jurisdictional family.

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Services grant application acceptance of award all right good morning, I'm going to.

N

uh Let mr hoyle, our family law administrator, uh kick things off so good morning morning.

N

Good morning, commissioners, uh we are, as uh commissioner rothstein said, requesting.

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Permission to submit our grant request for the fy25 family services grant our grant supports.

O

um The services that we provide in family law cases it supports our clinic our we organize.

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Things like mediation, custody, evaluations, best interest attorneys. We are asking to add.

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An additional position this year we're asking the administrative office of the courts for funds for.

O

That, if we didn't get the funds, of course, we would not have the position, but this would be.

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A guardianship case manager position to evaluate the guardianships that come through both at time.

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Of filing and then keep an eye on them as they go through the court system, because there is there.

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Are reporting requirements and things like that? In the end, the court does have a responsibility to.

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Everyone that has a guy friendship of the person or property and that person would keep, would.

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And go through those inventories make sure that people aren't being taken advantage of make sure.

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That the those funds and those people are being taken care of properly within that guardianship.

O

um The total amount we are. We are we'd like to request from the administrative office of.

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The courts is eight hundred thousand twenty six dollars or 826 thousand dollars, 716 and 60 cents.

O

That would support at that point six employees of the family law administration, as well as.

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Six observers for our visitation center: it would support waiver funds for a lot of the services. I.

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Described because they are rather costly and there are individuals that cannot afford those in their.

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Family law cases, so just real quick, absolutely I I just want to make sure that the number we're.

A

Looking at is 826 224.57, I had sorry I had 716. I think there was a small correction um that I.

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Need to make on the amount for supplies, I didn't increase. The supplies amount for office supplies.

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Thinking about a new employee, so I did include increase the supplies amount to 600 650 from the.

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5100, so that's probably the discrepancy there, so the total cost is one more time. 826 716.60.

A

Okay thanks um and then, when you talked about uh staff salaries benefits, you said you're adding one.

A

More position, yeah we're seeking to add a position um related to those guardianship. Matters are all.

A

Of these positions funded through the grant and never back onto the county, absolutely they are all.

O

Both salary and fringe are completely paid through the grant. They are not paid through the county.

O

All of our fringe amounts, including the change to the uh grant positions that we talked about last.

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Time I was in front of you all are all through the grant itself. This is an alley-oop. This is uh we're.

N

Throwing you an alley-oop, so you this there's! No, we don't anticipate any cost to the county for.

N

uh The grant requests that we're making today um on this, this guardianship navigator position that.

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We're requesting just a little information for you, so you understand what we're talking about.

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We have 263 active guardianship cases, adult guardianship cases in the circuit court for.

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Carroll county plus new filings. So what that means is that individuals who are unable to.

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Effectively manage or make decisions about, either their property or their person or both and who.

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Have not executed a document in advance like a power of attorney or an advanced directive. It's.

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Necessary for a court proceeding to be initiated and for an individual to be appointed. An attorney.

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And for the court to appoint a guardian when necessary for the individual's person or property.

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So that's what we're talking about once a guardian is appointed that guardian is required annually to.

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File reports with the court, if they're a guardian of a person, they have to file a report, advice in.

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Providing information about the services that that individual has been provided. Health care.

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Services primarily, and if the guardianships of the property, those guardians are fiduciaries and.

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They have to provide an annual accounting to the court, and those accountings have to be reviewed.

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They have to be approved by the court. Many of these guardians are not attorneys themselves and.

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Are not always familiar with accounting practices and bookkeeping uh practices, so the guardianship.

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Navigator will assist those individuals that currently that work is done primarily by our.

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Staff attorney and that uh it's uh that staff attorney has other responsibilities. So what do.

E

You think the likelihood is that you'll get the funding for that position, pretty good. We hope so.

N

There are other counties uh that have guardianship navigators that are comparable in size to carroll.

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County the circuit court for howard county, for example, has a guardianship coordinator.

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Or navigator so we're hopeful, we get that. I mean we've been able to manage thus far, but our numbers.

N

Continue to increase, they spent their funds on the taj mahal of their circuit courts. Yeah yeah. If.

N

You've been down to that building, it's uh it's a pretty impressive structure, to say the least yeah.

D

um Would a letter of endorsement or support for must be of help in trying to go after.

D

This additional position sure I don't think it could hurt at all. You know. Obviously it's a it's.

N

A need that the community has that the court is required to fulfill, but these are very difficult.

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Cases, you can imagine uh anyone who knows or has a family member or a close person who is be.

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Has been us, regardless of where they were in life when they get to that point, where they can't make.

N

Decisions for themselves, those are very, very difficult cases and how quickly would you need the.

D

Letter of support how um I will be submitting the initial grant application um next by next thursday.

O

That's the final day for that to be turned in. We have gotten signals from people at the aoc in the.

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Family services that they want to see these kind of positions in the courts. But at the same time as.

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We said we're competing with a lot of other courts at the same time and that's all going to go from.

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The general assembly for general funding, which is why they need it as early as they do as the.

A

Number 263 has that increased over time I mean. Has that been relatively it's a pretty stable number.

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It's a pretty stable number with attrition and new case filings. It's I'd say through.

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Me relatively constant, so it's more an interest of you know, uh be more efficient with your staff.

A

And your team to allow the one individual to do the work that they're doing correct and increase.

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Through this grant correct another okay, okay, I just want to clear any other questions.

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If I could make one quick comment, I just wanted to uh two things one I wanted to introduce. I brought.

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With me today, my summer, intern, nicole james, who is uh going to be a sophomore at mcdaniel college, a.

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A rising star there at mcdaniel college, who has a prestigious scholarship at mcdaniel and she's.

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Done a great job for us this summer, also political science, sir I'm studying social work with minors.

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Fantastic, I also wanted to congratulate a group of uh individuals, youngsters from the boys and girls.

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Club who last tuesday were part of a mock trial program in the circuit court for carroll county.

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We had a 40 or 50 youngsters divided amongst two courtrooms and they with on a day's notice in.

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Preparation put on a mock trial and they were mentored by high school students who had been.

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Part of the high school mock trial program that you know that we put on every year, so they did.

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A tremendous job, a tremendous job and so hats off to the boys and girls club and those young men and.

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Women who participated in that you know what what I like about that is kind of where commissioner.

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Kyler was going as well is, is respect and I is acknowledgment respect of the law but of those.

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In uniform and those in positions of authority and have those responsibilities, as opposed to running.

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Away from it- and uh you know the more we do that- I think the better we are as a community to.

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Recognize that the courts are there for a purpose and that those in uniform are there for a purpose.

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Not to again be run away from, but you know um to to embrace and acknowledge and respect and that's.

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What I think these type of programs do yeah? I agree, I think it's all part of the lesson sure.

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Cool um any other questions or comments won't be made on this motion to approve the submission of.

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The application for the fy, 2025 jurisdictional family services grant and accept the award in.

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The amount of 826 716.60, so they get that right. Yes, all right! Okay, I got a motion. I got a second.

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Any other discussion seen here, none of all in favor, aye aye. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Very much, thank you, mr burke. Thank you thanks for letting us, oh, you didn't have to thank him.

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Oh now I gotta live with that all day. Okay, let's talk about.

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Proposed use for non-carroll funding and committed for opioid issues for fy24.

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And we have a host of ladies up here so good morning. Good morning, everybody celine stackel.

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I've asked, I think, believe valerie is in the back um she's my co-chair for the opioid intervention.

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Team I've asked veronica up to the table deed, star crisis director in case there's any questions.

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About mobile crisis, but today we're here to present to you what the senior opioid policy.

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Planning group or the opioid intervention team has pushed forward as the priorities for fy24.

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Funding these are to address the the um as a result of the opioid issues in the county.

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um We want to continue to support the call center for mobile crisis team in carroll county.

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The mobile crisis team is entering its fifth year of operations in carroll county. They support law.

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Enforcement emergency services and the community at large there's a combination of funding. That's.

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Used to fund to operate this program, we have state funding, we have um opioid operational command.

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Center funding, we have there's a new funding. This year we have hb 129 funding. In addition,.

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To bha fund and then not in carroll funding, so the portion of the not and carol funding.

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um That's used by um affiliated sante who's. Our vendor is for their op center, which is their warm.

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Line from 9am to 11 pm- and this relates to our relationship with g bricks, which is the greater.

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Regional integrated crisis system so 988 that commissioner garen is promoting and and we keep.

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Pushing for people to call that is actually turf too. Our mobile crisis center during those hours.

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Of operation, so that those individuals, if they're in need of of somebody to go out a team, will be.

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Deployed, if not they're, getting the most skilled people knowledgeable about the resources in our.

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County to do warm, handoffs or just if they just need to talk to somebody. Those individuals also.

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Do follow-up calls to make sure that the issue has been resolved, somebody's not hanging out there not.

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Connected with care, the care that they need so a little bit of numbers for you in fy 23, there were.

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2448 calls to the mobile crisis teams operations center, which is their ops lines. The ops.

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Paul's made 1382 outgoing calls for screening and follow-up outreach and they received 1066 incoming.

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Calls call center triages the needs of the caller assesses if an in-person mobile crisis response.

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Is needed and then provides any resources and a warm handoff. The other interesting thing I'd like.

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To share, and maybe veronica has more details than me, because I only just glanced at it last week was.

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The last customer satisfaction service that they did with law. Enforcement really talked about the.

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Benefits of being able to call on this team when they're in a situation because they don't have to.

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Sit there and do the emergency petition to the hospital. Sometimes those calls don't even need.

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To go to the hospital the person can be, the issue can be resolved that night and and they can get.

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To a different facility, that's better equipped to meet their needs. An emergency department. Is there.

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To mitigate what's going on and then release you back to the community, they're not there to do all.

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That follow-up and warm handoffs- and things like that, so we want to properly use our our resources.

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But I believe there was an over 80 percent. um Some of what you don't get is that the team's not.

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Always available to come out, so um they want more, they need more and hopefully, and this year with.

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um The gbx protocol we'll be having some assistance on the shift that we don't have.

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Care so we'll have some overnight outreach. You want me to go into. I think aaron almost did our.

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After school programming for us, but I'll I'll try to synopsis really quickly um the senior opioid.

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Policy planning group continues to identify engagement of middle school aged youth in.

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After school activities as a high priority in prevention efforts after school programs have.

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Operated since 2020, under a contract with the boys and girls club of carroll county at north.

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Carroll northwest sykesville middle mount, airy middle schools, boys and girls. Clubs at carroll.

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County expanded to mount airy location last year with extremely minimal funds, and for that reason.

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The additional funds that were granted the three percent increase the senior opioid policy planning.

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Group would like to have that go to the boys and girls club for that after school planning.

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And I believe the last sentence they've already covered, which is the remainder.

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Of the fundings proposed to expand after school programming at the north carroll.

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Club site, which will expand three days a week and serve shotland middle school, so.

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We're requesting that the commissioners approve the fy um 24, not in funding carol, to begin genuine.

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To be used for the mobile crisis, ops center and the contract with the after school programming,.

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And just to clarify that this is um each year when the budget is approved, you all you all graciously.

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Have been approving this funding, so this is in the fy 24 budget that was just approved.

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um It's just the recommendation from the senior opioid policy group to all of you regarding.

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What what they see as the the premiere and needed services to continue or know that, commissioner.

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Garen serves on that committee for you all and that um under the previous board, that committee.

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Was asked to because we've already assessed the gaps, the barriers, the challenges that exist and.

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What resources are in available throughout the continuum of care that we put forth what.

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We think the monies should be used as far as new monies come in, just as we will with the opioid.

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Settlement money we'll be looking at what the gaps, barriers and challenges are, that we've assessed.

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And I do think we have one more individual that we want you to hear from regarding this.

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Funding and how then the impact of it with the after school programming? Okay, please.

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So I wanted to introduce you guys to amani. He is a club member at sykesville middle school.

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And I will say that monty shared with me that he had a little bit of a slow start like when.

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We approached him and talked to him about joining the club. He was a little nervous about doing that.

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He didn't know if he wanted to, he didn't know if he would have friends, so I just want him to.

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Share what his experience has been at the club and this summer, as in the leadership program.

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I don't normally join new things because I'm really nervous about doing it, but I was.

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Interested in what the boys and girls club did so when I joined the sykesville club, I didn't.

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Really know anyone because it was my first day so I just sat there. Then I started interacting.

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More made more friends- and I was excited about going at the end of the day. And when I found.

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Out there was a leadership program. I would wanted to do that and I got accepted into it now. I have.

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Lots of friends there I feel, like I've, become more of a leader than I have before. I've gained.

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A lot a lot of like tolerance with new things and I've gotten more like outgoing than I was before.

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Tell me about your new club, oh um and I'm doing a chemistry club, because I, like chemistry,.

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A lot we're gonna do volcanoes cool. That is awesome. If we blow up main street you'll know.

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Okay, very nice, yeah and thanks for sharing very well said I just wanted to add one thing.

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Too, this year that we've added to the program is um community resource nights with parents.

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So we were able to get parents in um talk to them a little bit about tips to talk to their.

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Adolescents, because that's a tough age to talk to kids, um educate them on some substance, use.

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Prevention tips and, and basically things that they, you know, even if they have addiction in.

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Their family resources and the health department has been such a great partner with us in that.

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They have been at all of those resource nights, helping so fantastic. No thanks. Thanks for sharing.

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So now, what we're looking for is a motion to move forward motion to move forward. It's a funding.

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Correct okay motion to approve the fy24, not in carol funding to continue the mobile crisis team's.

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Call center to be paid through the contract, with the carroll county health department and after.

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School programs in fy 24.. Second, I have a motion of a second any other comments or discussion. Seen.

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Here, none all in favor all right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much great job. Okay,.

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So we went through the briefing already so now. I think we're ready for management.

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Budget transferring funds thanks for joining us all. Thank you. Thank you.

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You come up and they all leave. I have that kind of effect. Don't worry ted we're still here.

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You're kind of required to be, though,.

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Just three of them, so two could leave okay, I'll wait a moment. Well, two of you decide who gets to.

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Go uh every year as part of closing out the previous fiscal year, I come to you with some.

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Transfers that need to be made. This is kind of an awkward arrangement and that we don't know what.

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Has to be done until everything gets done, so we're coming to you after the fact for for your approval.

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There are three moves that need to be made, and I think really important idea here is that almost.

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All this money is not actually unanticipated spending. It's about getting the spending.

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Matched up with funding or getting it in the right place. Is that that term? True up that you used or.

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Is this a different kind of thing than shrewing? Something up? uh No well! I guess in some broadway.

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Maybe you could use it, but you know usually when we say that we're talking about matching.

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um Revenue to expenditures where you had to make some guess what it was going to be so in.

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This case, we have three things: one is a payout tied to a retirement that was not specifically.

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Budgeted for because we never know when these things are going to happen, the the ems transfer.

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Is about timing of us providing ems, so we budgeted visa based on our expectations of services. We're.

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Going to provide the timing create a situation where volunteer companies continue to provide.

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The services longer than anticipated, so this is this- is giving them the money. So, in a sense it's.

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True up because to make that work, the way it would have if we'd have known how things would work out.

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And the last for the sheriff this is, this is an accounting thing. There's we get grant funding.

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In connection with the school resource, officers, accounting is changing how they want to handle.

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This on our books, this change came after we budgeted. It's all. That's really happening.

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Here is we're we're putting the grant funds in the place where they they need to be so.

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Again, that's that's, not unanticipated spending, just just um a matter of getting the books right.

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So um if there are any questions, I can take that, if not we just.

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Need your approval to make these transfers.

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Any questions or comments on this- and this has to take the form of a resolution. Yes,.

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Because you know like any budget transfer, you know it's a it's.

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Actually, a change in the law that you adopted when you adopted the budget.

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Motion to prove resolution 0-0.23-10 for year-end adjustments. Second, okay: I have a motion of a.

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Second or in the resolution, any discussion seen here, none all in favor, aye, aye, okay,.

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Now, let's talk about um impact fees regarding schools, okay, so two weeks ago we talked about.

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Where we've been with impact fees and for about a decade, we've had school impact fees set at zero.

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Because we either had declining enrollment or more recently stagnant, enrollment.

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um That picture is changing. We don't know exactly what the future looks like, but if.

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Your call came to you last time to say it's probably time to start talking about this.

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Whether you choose to act on changing the fee, uh it's still something you need to talk about.

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But the time is here to begin talking. So last time was just setting this up.

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For you, then, we talked about getting together again to decide if you wanted to take action.

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So I think, where I left it off was, I do want to take action. I think the gain to risk and the.

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Message sent regarding impact fees along with that gain um won't necessarily say, outweigh that risk.

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And the risk is having a project within reasonable amount of time, which equates to you know six years.

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um Being put in place to either use that money or give that money back, um I think you know it's.

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Not overwhelming and overbearing, we do not have other, we don't have excise tax. You know.

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um Put in place in the county, we could go to the general assembly through our delegation. Looking.

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For that, but that's just another tax put on you know our systems. I think this fees sends the.

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Right message uh that we are focused on growing carroll county appropriately, but having safeguards.

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Put in place, you know kind of like a bookends of that um so and it's four new residential growth.

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um You know to be put in place, so I mean that's my opening comment, it's kind of where I left it off.

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Last time, as far as the the dollar amount, if we went back to where we left off and we went to zero.

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um With the amount of homes, I think you said ted that would give us like 1.8 million dollars.

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uh Based on two assumptions, if we went back to approximately six thousand dollars and.

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If we assumed 300 residential units, um of course, the the dollar amount is in.

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Your hands to set the number of residential units is right. uh Whatever happens happens.

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So yeah so based on looking at the numbers of homes being built, you know give or take 300.

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And if we went back to six thousand, that would be 1.8 million dollars back into our.

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Funds, so that's gonna, be my recommendation. um You know I want to say open for discussion. This is.

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Open for discussion, but what are some of your thoughts? I think it's an interesting question.

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But mr zaleski, just a back up a second, so we had what 780 new students added this past year.

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In the school system was that the number it was 700 and something I don't remember.

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I think that comes out roughly to about three percent increase. If, if my numbers are accurate,.

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um I realize that's an increase of what we've been seeing, obviously, for a number of years.

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The expectation of thought was, it was going to be going significantly in a negative trajectory.

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um It's growth, but is it? Is it that much growth? I don't have a answer on that. I don't have a crystal.

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Ball, nor do the rest of us, um and just on that, uh so you know the the school systems projections do.

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Not assume 700 a year, they're they're more in the two to three hundred a year. Okay,.

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So that could be that 780 could be anything from students going back to school after covet.

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It could be people moving here. It could be a myriad of various things um chris or matt. Could.

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You pull up that slide deck. I I had uh sent over by chance. So one of the things I want to mention.

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This morning, since we're talking about this, this is a recent article in the baltimore sun. uh The.

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Baltimore region is building fewer homes. That's a problem. uh We are included within that area.

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Big conversation on that in the baltimore sun and for anybody that saw today's paper.

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Fewer new houses are being built in the region that was carroll county front page this morning,.

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um If you could go to the next slide deck, so I have to enlarge that if we could so what I have.

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On this slide deck here as you'll see, these are new constructions settled per year from 2018 to.

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2023 as of july 7th, and what I did was, I took all of those homes now granted they're, not all single.

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Family homes- and I just assessed them at the 6000- that was the previous impact fee, regardless of.

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Townhouse or in a single residency and uh what we have here, those six thousand dollar numbers, as you.

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See in 18 it would have been eight hundred and four thousand we max out and what is it 2020 at.

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A million eight and uh every other year minus those are within a million three, a million or.

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So so these are based off of the construct. The new construction settlements per year.

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So we're not, unfortunately, from what I'm looking at factually getting to our million eight. If we.

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Were to do so, interestingly enough- and I don't have this prepared today, but I also.

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Broke it down by municipality and and region and, interestingly enough out of those 1118 homes, the.

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Majority of those years happen to be tontitown westminster, and there were some in eldersburg.

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And sykesville but interestingly enough and I was fascinated eldersburg and sykesville.

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Was not a booming area for housing? I think hampstead might have been third.

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um You know my concern and I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing to consider this one way.

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Or the other, but you know the fed yesterday just said a 22-year high in rates. That's going to be.

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Passed on to the buyers we're already in a super hot market with 158 houses in the market, that's.

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Going to just be another 6 000 or whatever we determine that's going to go to the buyer.

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Of new homes, obviously the bigger issue, I think we're looking at past whether we do impact fees.

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Or not, and this isn't just about new construction- is we have no inventory in carroll county right.

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Now it's virtually none. You know, there's a lot of conversation with adu's accessory dwelling.

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Units in in maryland that hasn't really occurred yet, but we're in a very challenging position. If.

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You're moving here, I was just talking to some people the last week or so that they're moving.

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Out of the county, because they can't live here, they can't afford to find a place, be it a rancher.

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Be it you know a townhouse whatever I just. I just think we have to be really aware of where we're.

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Headed with this, if we do it, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm not saying it's a good idea. um Ted.

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Is there any process, man we have the money for six years. Does it have to be for new construction.

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The how it's used- yes, yes, I mean the the core idea of impact fees is.

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That you're collecting the money and using it to provide the same level of service that.

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Existed before a population increase in this case, what we're talking about is being able to.

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Provide enough capacity to serve students, so it could be an addition. It could be a.

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A new school, but that is, is the purpose and it's often misunderstood. You know people will.

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Frequently say: well, you should be collecting it. uh We still need to fix the roof. We still need.

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To fix the hac, but it's it's not uh an appropriate use of these funds, so it could either be strictly.

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For either new construction, and it could also be used for addition right we're going to build an.

C

Additional new construction, though gotcha, but it doesn't have to be specifically a new building.

F

Person, no okay, it's all about the capacity gotcha. Thank you so additions for pre-k or kindergarten.

E

Probably won't qualify, I I would argue against that, because you're not actually.

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Responding to a change in population you're, responding to a change in state law.

G

So, uh first of all, thank you, commissioner, gordon, for putting together some of these numbers and.

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Getting those to us, uh I mean numbers and data are important. I take issue with the math equation.

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We talked about earlier that gets us to 1.8, um because it's a lot of assumptions involved there.

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That the the rate of new construction and then also what is being built. I can't imagine that.

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If we ever did decide to um re-establish impact fees, that you could charge the same impact be for.

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A house, as you do for a townhouse and a lot of the building that's going on, is townhouses and.

G

Then speaking of assumptions, I think I mentioned this last week in terms of the the school numbers.

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uh This is not a this is not faulting anybody putting these numbers together, but those are very.

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Hard to assume- and if you go back decades, you can see how sometimes those numbers have played out.

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Sometimes they have not the past three board of carroll county commissioners, including the.

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Last one chose to keep this at zero, so I don't. I don't see anything that compels me to change.

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That right now, so I am certainly not I'm not in favor of doing any making any changes this year.

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I my suggestion is going to be that we keep an eye on this, as the staff.

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Is doing as the school system is doing, we can make adjustments in the future as necessary.

G

If necessary, okay and I wouldn't put too much weight on that 1.8 million dollars. You know when I.

U

Put that number out here, it was just to give you some context for thinking about what this would.

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Mean but but yes, it's all driven by how many houses uh are getting built and if, if next year,.

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Nobody builds a house, you can set the impact fee wherever you want and there's no revenue right.

E

And- and the intention would be that this- the 6000 is for a single family, a duplex apartments.

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Or townhouses, or whatever, are all different: okay, uh the the fees as they existed before.

U

We dropped it to zero, a single family was six thousand three hundred and three a townhouse was.

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Seven thousand six multi-family, it was 2257 and a mobile home 3061. and the obvious question is.

U

Okay, why are they so much different, and this goes back to a study that was done when we we did this.

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Looking at the expected yield of students for different types of of houses,.

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So, like the town, the townhouse being higher than the single family, I mean what that is saying is.

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On average, we expect more more students from a townhouse than we do from a single family house.

A

And we can make it six thousand, we can increase it or we can decrease it.

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The number I mean that's on us correct. Yes, if we looked at increasing it, I I would suggest that we.

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Have a new study done to look at current conditions, and can we still make the.

U

Connection that we need to make if you were to go lower than this, I think you could.

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Comfortably make that decision without having to go through that, but and the reason I'm bringing.

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That up I mean we have that both responsibility and authority to do both I mean we, we can what.

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I'm trying to do is put everything on the table. I mean we, we went through our budget, we determined.

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Collectively that taxes were not to be increased, we increased fees on landfill, right on uh tip fees.

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We got to look at revenue coming in um that can be associated with also the amount of.

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Growth that we expect here in carroll county- and I think this sends a message.

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To developers and new growth because you're right there is a very little new inventory and.

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There's there's very low growth happening in the southern part of the county. It really happened up.

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In taneytown was the real new growth, but um you know messaging to me is very important and.

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I mean we to me, I want to say we have to do something, it's not that we have to do.

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Something it's that what should we do to get out in front of this? Because it's just going to get.

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Uglier and uglier and uglier, and if we keep to me putting our heads in the sand saying we're not.

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Going to do something and let's continue to study it, I'm like we because we can put this in place.

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And then have a open session meeting in two weeks or a month and say you know we're not going to get.

A

There and go back to zero correct. We have that. Yes, you know responsibility authority as well, um so.

A

I I don't know I mean if I want to say it's just another fee, but it is a fee that we have control.

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Over um and then after some time, we determine it's not the right thing to put in place and we.

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Don't I expect developers and realtors and others are not going to be happy if we put impact fees.

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In place you know, but um you know we we got to do something for the for, uh for our county and.

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You know we we talk about a lot and I don't know that's I don't mean to be rambling, I'm just.

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Thinking: okay, what ways can we bring in revenue? What ways can we lessen expenses.

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And maintain all the things we want to maintain here in carroll county. So that's why I'm.

A

You know convinced that changing impact fees from zero to something is a good idea at this.

A

Time so so you so you mentioned that things are going to get uglier and uglier I'd like.

G

To kind of understand what exactly you have in mind there, because I can understand a lot of.

G

Uglier scenarios, where we're suddenly taxing people out of the county, we're growing at a.

G

Rate where we can't keep up within our school system, so I'm not sure what you mean by uglier.

G

And uglier, and what problem 1.8 million solves in that regard? Well, we haven't taxed anybody out.

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Of the county, because we haven't touched taxes in the last, that's right. However, many years shouldn't.

A

And I understand your sentiment about not shooting should or should not, but um with what is happening.

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um With the blueprint happening- and you talked about pre-k, you know, in other impacts that the.

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Blueprint is going to have on us with um you know the conversations in the schools, uh the.

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Board of education and the importance of them looking at growing freedom elementary.

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And sexual middle, you know, as far as their uh capacity um that funding should come from.

A

Somewhere and capacity, that's where this could come into play correct if they were to build new.

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Classrooms or additions into those schools well going back to commissioner kyler's question, I I.

U

Think it'd be a hard case to make to use impact fees to address the pre-k mandate from the state.

U

Unless we can demonstrate that we have a rising population separate from that right.

E

And- and I guess my concern would be back to the the chart you did, it was uh between six and a half.

E

And seven million over six years we have to use this within six years when it's collected about.

U

And back to the last conversation, this is: there's no law that that says that this this is about case.

U

Law, you know what has been decided in courts and kind of the. The accepted idea is, if you're not.

U

Going to use it within six years, then you'd be looking to return it. But that's not that's not.

U

Hard, in fact, our our resolution, I believe, says six years unless management and budget presents.

U

A plan to you uh that demonstrates it's going to be used within nine years. Then you have the option.

U

To extend it that way, I think the big the biggest idea, though, is you can't just hold it indefinitely.

U

There's got to be a plan right and and right now we may or may not be able to use it for both.

E

Freedom in sykesville, we hope we get state money, maybe half.

E

It looks to me like if we, if we decide to do this, we ought to maybe do it at three thousand.

E

That that would, uh over five or six years that would fund at least half of one of those.

E

Additions and and then I'm not sure unless growth really picks up what else is going to happen.

E

In the near future, and and if you want to be devil's, advocate the areas that the historically.

E

The last few years where it was collected, aren't the areas where it's going to be spent.

E

And that's always always been true. Oh I know right. I know and yeah I mean it's again. It's.

A

It's it's not taxing its fees and it's not fees to individuals. It's fees to developers for new.

A

Housing and you know sending a message saying: hey we wanna, you know ensure that the growth.

A

Is anonymously stopped or stagnant, but controlled and and measured I mean it. This is a tool to use.

A

um And I don't you know see why we wouldn't look at ways to bring revenue in to do the.

A

Things we need to do. um I'm sorry, no go ahead, I'm to ted, please I'm sorry.

D

um So I think, there's two big questions here: one is there going to be a need? Will we have to spend.

U

Money, if we don't believe we're going to spend money, then this is easy, don't don't collect it.

U

uh If we do believe there'll be need for capacity and we are going to spend money, then the second.

U

Question is: where do you want that money to come from and with this the question is: do you want it.

U

To be an impact fee tied to the building of the house, or do you want it to be just general tax.

U

Dollars and there's no right or wrong answer to that question, but that's that's what you.

U

Need to weigh so if we were to institute or reinstitute an impact fee yeah, commissioner,.

D

Rossi- and you mentioned something about well, if it doesn't work out in a month or something we.

D

Yeah at any given time we can address it and change the impact fees so the way that I'm looking.

D

At this and then I I certainly take the argument, the evidence that commissioner gordon presented.

D

About the the spike in homes in 2020, and now this you know, last year we had 229 homes built this.

D

Year through july, 7th we've had 54. all right, so I certainly yeah. I guess one of my questions is what.

D

Is it that is slowing the growth in home or the growth in building? Now, as it is right, because I.

D

Mean it seems to me that, if we're concerned about bringing in a certain amount of money to help.

D

Affect uh the impact that new residents are having on the school system, I think I want to understand.

D

The root of why home growth has slowed without us, putting any recreation fee increases on on new or.

D

On homes, aren't home selling or buying, but also without there, not being any impact fee at all.

D

See some something about this is not quite adding up to me right I mean I don't dispel for a moment.

D

The the idea that that we need to find sources of income to pay for things right. We you know.

D

As commissioner rossi rightly pointed out, where we're you know moving into to fy 25's budget, seven.

D

Million dollars a negative from the start, and then you add on to that. The 53 million dollars give or.

D

Take the blueprint is going to cost us through 25.. That's just through 25., that's 60 million dollars.

D

That we are negative in fy25 ., so I I you know I I'm in agreement that that we need to to you know.

D

Generate some kind of additional income that is not going to affect the majority of our residents.

D

You know we had this discussion about recreation taxes where, for a time we briefly considered, maybe.

D

We need to raise that because it would be the least problematic way that that residents would.

D

Be affected because it would not affect the majority of residents. um You know the other.

D

Thing that I'm looking at here is that if we have 700 new students or probably I think, commissioner.

D

Gordon says approximately three percent increase this year in tuition. I'm sorry in in students.

D

um But currently uh you know we're projected to be two to three hundred students a year right.

D

So do we again like the root question of? Why has home construction slowed? Why has new residential.

D

Development slowed. um You know that 700 student spike is that still rebound from the pandemic.

D

Is it just, did it just happen to be that we had a a year of you know, so many new students based.

D

On that spike in home building that we had in 2020 that 308 homes, um so I I I guess the way.

D

That I'm approaching it is I'm not opposed to to instituting an impact me because I'm coming from.

D

The municipal side of of elected service, you know those impact fees are vital for towns to get by.

D

um You know from a county perspective, there's certainly you know, I think, certainly vital as well.

D

Given that we have a 60 million dollar shortfall starting out with fy25, and that's not to say that.

D

Anything else is going to come up inflation. uh You know new projects, emergency issues, whatever the.

D

Case is um I mean personally, I would be a lot more comfortable. Postponing a decision on this pending.

D

Information about why home growth has slowed um and pending, why uh you know we have that that 700.

D

Students, uh what would you call it bubble? Blip whatever again, I'm not opposed to to instituting.

D

Impact fees. But I want to better understand why, without impact, because I take the argument that.

D

If you, if you I know, I think it's been suggested that if we add the impact fees that may end up.

D

Slowing residential development right, but if, if there is no impact fee right now and residential.

D

Development has slowed. What is the nature of that? What is the root cause of? Why that's the case.

D

So I guess that's where I stand. I would be much more and I understand commissioner ross seen.

D

That that you know you're, not necessarily, uh you know, you believe that we have uh the sufficient.

D

Standing to to proceed at this point, I I respect that. Personally, I would like to understand more.

D

Where that 700 students came from and why again, given that we haven't raised the the.

D

um uh What I'm sorry, the the recreation fee and why you know without an impact fee, residential.

D

Growth is what it is, a few thoughts on things. You said there now. First on the the 700 and some kids.

U

Is what it is? I mean it's a it's a no number. uh We will probably never have an answer exactly who who.

U

Are not who are they, but where do they come from and why they all come now, but um I think much more.

U

Important than the 700, and some number is what the school system has built into their 10-year.

U

Projections, which is less than half of that number, no expectation that that's going to continue.

U

um Just want to make a point: you talked about 53 million for blueprint in 25. just want to make.

U

Sure anybody listening to this understands the commissioners have made no commitment to come.

U

Up with that amount of funding, so I don't want to set that as a starting point for for our budget.

U

uh What we've done is acknowledge the school system's projection of what this is going to.

U

Cost beyond what they expect in funding increases from the county, and I apologize. I should have been.

D

Clear so I apologize for that and on the number of houses being built. This is another thing where we.

U

Will never have an answer. We will never have full understanding of why we're x, number of.

U

Homes built in any in a year, but there are some things that we we know at some level.

U

Now, at one time, the norm in carroll county was more than a thousand homes a year, but even then.

U

It might be 1200 one year 1400 next year and 1100 a year after that, and nobody could tell.

U

You exactly why that happened, except developers found land that they thought they worked. They.

U

Built houses that they thought they could sell, and people and people bought. Those there's also.

U

There's always going to be uncertainty on how many homes you're going to buy or build, uh but that old.

U

Norm is not our norm anymore, and I'm not going to sit here and tell you. I know how to explain it all.

U

But there are some things we can look at. uh One big one is changes in environmental regulations.

U

Building houses off of public utilities is much more difficult now than it was 20 years ago. It.

U

Doesn't happen in the same way it can still happen, but the numbers aren't there anymore.

U

That, if you look to where we have public utilities,.

U

That's largely driven by the municipalities and decisions they're making on how they want.

U

To grow or or not, grow and, for the most part, our towns are not looking for a lot of growth.

U

In in homes, so that has an impact as well and then then you have just you know: market.

U

Conditions, you know: how much does it cost to buy that piece of land that you're going to.

U

Put a house on and decisions that developers are making so much more complicated than that.

U

But there are things that we can look at, but I I feel very comfortable saying.

U

Without some fundamental change in how we zone and handle development in carroll county, we're.

U

Never going to see a thousand homes a year again it might be a hundred one year. It might be 400.

U

Another year, but we're going to be much more in that range than we were in the the plus thousand.

A

The um again just to to be clear impact fees are for new development of residential homes that you.

A

Identified as far as those numbers right between single family town homes, multi-family homes,.

A

They're not for resale of homes that are already there or people moving from one place to another.

A

It's new development, yes, and so because you know I I want to make sure that is understood, especially.

A

To the community saying, oh, you know trying to tax another thing: I'm and that's not this at.

A

All this is a fee for new development coming into the county, and I apologize. I should have.

D

Been clearer? No! No! No! No! It's not you! I just want. You know. This is for something new to come into.

A

The county, not something existing, um I do think that inventory is extremely low. I do think that.

A

With the amount of rate changes that we've had over the you know couple of years- and you know.

A

A potential of another rate change happening in september. You know it's going to be that.

A

Much more difficult, you know for people moving around um so yeah. I there's definitely a lot of.

A

um Impacts a lot of issues associated with new developments, and you know people moving around.

A

um But mr kyle or maybe could you speak maybe a little bit to why you had considered maybe.

D

A three thousand dollar impact fee instead of a six thousand dollar impact fee. I think.

E

A couple of things I I think we have to do the additions that freedom and sykesville there there.

E

Are more coming um and uh the the negative of doing this at zero means? The five of us are saying.

E

The cost to carroll county to do those additions is going to come out of general tax funds.

E

And we keep saying we don't want to raise taxes, but we keep throwing more and more.

E

Into what that revenue has to pay, for, um I don't know I get. I get empathetic for.

E

People want to build like, like ted said, they have reforestation. Now they have more storm.

E

Water management requirements uh we we just did a lot and spent probably 15 grand in an apron.

E

um Because it happened to be on a state highway, you know, there's a there's a lot of costs.

E

um But we do need to pay for school additions and I think we're going to start seeing.

E

It looks like by their projections these two additions aren't going to solve.

E

Your area, the county's problems, and uh um I I don't think I don't think we want to encourage.

E

Busing kids from eldersburg to westminster, so I think we're going to see some more of that. So.

E

I I don't know it's just there's a concern about redistricting two in there. Oh, my gosh, yes, yes, yeah.

E

And and so uh yeah I just and and and you said, there's no law, there's there's, you know no, no fix.

E

Time that we have to spend the money but but we to do this, we have to be intending to spend the money.

E

And that's one of the reasons why I thought, maybe maybe we should soften it and do half.

E

Now and then next year we can, depending on the situation we can drop back to zero. We can. We can.

E

Double it to six, but that was just my thoughts on on this and and, like I said, my big concern is.

E

um If we don't start doing something like this, it's just going to force us.

E

More so to have to raise taxes on everybody.

E

Compounds the problem, and I'm not, I don't know I go back and forth with this. I I don't know that.

E

Currently, in carroll county, new houses are being built by young families that have school kids.

E

um You know- maybe maybe this isn't a valid way to pay for it now, but then it's going to go back to.

E

General tax money, unless we come up with another fee, which you know, there's a lot of people that.

E

Pay property taxes that no longer have kids but and again, I'm in that case and I'm more than happy.

E

To pay taxes that that help our schools, you know, that's that's our future, so I.

D

I thank you for explaining that to me. That makes a lot of sense. I think what.

E

I just explained is: I have no clue what we ought to do well, I think so. I think what.

G

What we have seen the data of residential news construction in the county strongly suggests.

G

That an impact fee would not have an impact on that rate, because it's already pretty low.

G

And it seems pretty steady, so all I was suggesting was now is not the time if we.

G

Want to revisit it next year we certainly can, and I think we have to- I think we have to take.

G

A look at this every year, if I'm not mistaken, you can set the fee for whatever time period. You want.

G

If, if people are concerned about growth and development where they live, this is not the.

G

Answer to your prayers: this is not the panacea to seeing that not increased on the trajectory.

G

That it is now which again is fairly low. Your your solution is to pay attention to.

G

What's going on in your community and your town and your district and get involved.

G

We are looking at a similar situation in mount area right now within the town limits. There's a.

G

Potential for a not 492 unit development taking place, it's a it's a big debate. What's going on.

G

They're going to have to decide how they're going to handle it and they're going to have.

G

To decide how they adjust for it, but people are getting involved and that's what needs to happen.

U

Yeah and you mentioned 492 units another thing: sometimes people get confused on.

U

I don't know what mount aries development process is in the county, even if you're.

U

Building a 492 development: you can only do 25 units per year, so it doesn't all happen at.

U

Once I would guess, mount airy has some similar thing, but even if there's not a limit yeah, the.

U

Builder is probably not going to build 492 units in in one year. It happens over time.

E

And technically.

E

The what the last board did runs out now, so we need to decide something.

E

Whether it's zero or three or six, we need to make a decision today, but.

E

We could change the decision two months from now, yes and yes, but we need to. We need to make.

E

A motion on something today point taken. Let me ask this, though, is that really an ideal situation? I.

F

Know we can change it at any point, but if you're dealing with industry, which obviously you worked.

F

In I mean if I'm in the industry do I want to know well today it's this, it might change next week. I.

F

Think we have to have some level of consistency and process, whether it's 12 months or or, however,.

F

We want to approach that, but while we're on that topic, um you would mention case law and.

F

Obviously, you know we have sort of a six year window, but you were saying it could be as much.

F

As nine, if we chose or had a plan to use that that's how that's how our ordinance is written.

U

And I think I think that happened with some level of confidence that if we were challenged, we would.

U

Be able to defend that, but I mean that's always a question mark and I realize that obviously anybody.

F

Can take anybody to court for any matter they so choose? I just wonder with with that case law.

F

Even if we have an ordinance that says nine years, could we potentially end up in litigation.

F

Over that, if we say we don't get to it, quick enough and somebody wants to come after us sure.

D

To my understanding, then, please correct me: if I'm wrong, though, that, if we're it seems to be.

D

The primary focus of the impact fees, at least in terms of the present discussion, is the additions.

D

Of the board of education and the superintendent had spoken about during our joint meeting the.

D

Other week I I don't and again please do correct me if I'm wrong, I don't. I didn't think there was.

D

Like a timetable in like six or nine years out, I think it was something that they wanted to do you.

D

Know as soon as humanly possible right, it wasn't like. Oh, this is something we're planning 10 years.

D

Around this is something that they need now, I'm talking about the the additions yeah, but we were.

G

Told that it's probably a three-year general timeline, probably yeah, probably three years.

D

Yeah they were, they sound like it's a decade out; no, no, no! No! No. They gave us uh their master plan.

A

And then they also shared they've, been the board of education, ccps their master plan and then also.

A

Shared um the numbers and projections- and things like like that um so yeah um well.

E

And I and I agree with you about consistency, but I I wanted to make the point. We need.

E

We need to do something. Oh no, I definitely agree with you. I think I think you know, and I think.

F

Commissioner, took commissioner rothstein's point, I understand where he's coming from as well. I just.

F

Questioned if the 780 turns into 150 next year- and I realize that's an extremely low number and that.

F

Continues on that path, I mean we're we're trying to we're trying to hedge a guess here. That's what.

F

We're really trying to do. I'm just concerned that when you're looking at 22-year high interest rates.

F

As of yesterday, that money is going to be passed on to the consumer, and I realize that's a small.

F

Portion of our public right and I get that and I'm not like. I said I'm not saying I'm for this.

F

Or I'm against this, I'm just, I guess I'm just as you know concerned as everybody is from a variety.

F

Of angles of this as to how we want to proceed, you know, and and I don't I don't necessarily say.

F

Us not enacting something, and I'm not saying whether that's right or wrong would be doing.

F

Nothing, maybe the thing to do is keep our eye on it, see where it's moving. That might be an option.

F

Too, I'm not saying that's the perfect option, but you know if we're seeing a decrease in in building.

F

And we put an impact fee and what's the impact on that- and I can't answer that any more than anyone.

F

Else can I do think it's going to have an impact, and I don't know if it's going to be the one we.

U

Want you know and the idea that you can make the decision whenever whenever you want? I think it's.

U

Easy to argue that you don't want to be setting up an idea where people are worried. You're going.

U

To be changing it every every month, the big point here is there are certain decisions that you can.

U

Only make at a certain time every year right. This is not one of them, you can. You can do it whenever.

U

You want okay, so, um and I think I think one thing yeah what you just said about this: we all need to.

E

Acknowledge then we're saying, there's dust: we desperately need to do at least two additions.

E

To schools, if you look at um the schools, I I think I think there's going to be two more.

E

Three years after that, so we're saying we're fine with that coming out of tax money, general tax.

E

Money and if we're fine with that, then we don't need to do this, but um and and again I still think.

E

We need to look at recordation taxes. I won't go backwards, I'll, go forward.

E

um We'd be fools not to look at that too, because.

E

um Taxes that are paid by the people that are making a specific decision to do something.

E

My opinion, or better than just laying it on everybody that owns property in carroll, county.

A

A couple um things I just want to share because tom I I agree with what you said and.

A

um I think you and I look at this a lot as far as interest rates and numbers um and what was.

A

Shared again yesterday is the potential of increasing interest rates in september and.

A

um You know the um impact of you know a recession getting off the table, but inflation continues to.

A

Rise, there is confidence in in the market as far as people spending money, but you know all.

A

Those things I mean it becomes very complicated um down in the southern part of the county. There are.

A

Large parcels that have proposed development happening, we know that is able property being.

A

One of them, you know, like uh ted, shared it ain't. No, you know hundreds of homes being built in one.

A

Year, we're not allowed to do that, but it is you know, homes being built over a few years and that.

A

Is moving forward through concepts? um I mean you see it on the planning. Commission there's other.

A

Parcels that are down there, that are, you, know, um also looked at in development, both for mixed use.

A

And for single family homes and for senior residents that gives indications of growth.

A

Happening of new development happening, um you know mount airy, another area that has potential.

A

Growth happening over the next x amount of years, six or however many years so I do think there's.

A

Something there as far as growth. I do think that there is a need there. As far as the impact.

A

Fees themselves, so those that's where I started the the conversation. You know that the the gain.

A

um I want to say out values or outweighs the risk, but you know um you know, looks at.

A

The risk and says: okay now, there's enough gain in making this decision and also for.

A

For us, and also the community, this is a great example of us. Looking at the budget year round,.

A

And the importance of looking and understanding the budget year-round and not where people think.

A

We only look at it for a month or two and we check a block or something because we're obviously not.

A

And we're talking about revenue, we're talking about expenses, uh you know, and we do it year round.

A

So that that's very important that we continue to do that. I appreciate those comments as well.

A

I think you know if we started off at 3 000. You know um that gives again it gives a message. It.

A

Actually gives uh a valid dollar amount, um you know to be associated with uh impact fees for fy24.

A

That you it's a step in the right direction. For me,.

A

um Because, like we've all said, taxes are very difficult to make decisions on and we are.

A

Collectively said no to, and that was collective and whether our personal individual, in you know.

A

Recommendations were different. It's regardless it was a collective decision. That's what we decide.

A

From the dice so um and that's important that also we people understand that it's.

A

Not one individual or another, it's all of us together, um these fees take away some of that.

A

Impact on the taxes take away. Some of the uh you know concerns about taxes. That's why it may be a.

A

It's another solution to a problem, that's in front of us and that's why I'm.

A

I wasn't adamant about this, but um I think we should move forward with uh providing.

A

um Three thousand dollar impact fees uh or three thousand dollars for the fy24 school impact fees.

A

That's is there a motion, yeah, okay, yeah um I'll, move that the board of commissioners approved.

A

Setting the fy24 school impact fees at three thousand dollars: okay and single family house.

A

In the associated can can you make that then and keep the same relationship between the.

U

Fees for the different types so we'll we would, if you did this, we would just base the other.

U

Ones on the 3000: yes, what you said is that good enough for you tim? Yes, okay! So that's my motion.

C

Second, okay, cool good, I second it and and.

E

Something we need to look at, some of which we cannot control.

E

Maryland regulations, carroll county regulations, the process of plan approvals when it takes a year.

E

Longer and a couple hundred thousand dollars more to get a set of plans approved than it used to. We.

E

Are adding probably eight or ten thousand to each lot and the and and as much as everyone wants to.

E

Think developers are rich people and they absorb that. It gets passed on to the price of a lot so.

E

There's there's other things. We probably need to look at too. If, if carroll county wants to even.

E

Have growth I mean there's, so many people don't want anything going next door to them, but again.

E

You don't want growth, you don't want commercial and industry, you don't want anything in your.

E

Neighborhood, then, if taxes go up, 50 percent you're paying for exactly what you want.

E

In my humble opinion, and then I'll just you know I'll add to to you know, I guess the the talent of.

D

The discussion here that that you know it's not certainly something not that I'm happy or excited.

D

About supporting this, um but again coming from the municipal side of things and how impact fees.

D

Do affect spending and do affect the things that a municipality is able to fund. You know I do take.

D

Commissioner collins point that that means that it's not coming out of an increased tax rate and.

D

You know when you have new residents moving into an existing community. uh You know I do also take.

D

The point that it isn't right to expect all those existing residents to shoulder the burden of the.

D

New residents, yeah, okay, I do have a motion. I have a second. Is there any further discussion on this.

A

Seen here, none all in favor, aye aye against no, no okay, okay, and we we need to set an effective date.

D

What's typical for an effective date for an impact fee, uh it's only changed once that I can recall.

U

While I've been here- and that was a very long conversation because the problem is whatever.

U

Date, you set somebody's on the right side of it, somebody's on the wrong side of it and you'll be.

U

Hearing from the people who are on the wrong side of it yeah it would be safer than or I guess more.

D

More flexible respective to respectful to set the fee, uh I'm sorry to set the.

D

Impact fee say a month from now gives enough time for for news of it to go out. So it's not.

D

Like I'm, you know going in tomorrow to to say yeah, I'm going to build a house.

D

And then, oh, by the way you have this new fee, as of yesterday, I mean, does a month out seem.

D

To maybe september september 1st, yes, that's what I was thinking: okay, okay, effective september 1st.

A

um So that would be we have the men, the motions send the motion to be effective. Okay,.

A

um Make the impact fees of three thousand dollars for fy 24 resonances new residents, school impact.

A

Fees three thousand dollars effective september 1st. I know I muddied that up, but so we're.

W

Amending or we're just doing a news, a second, it's a additional position. Technically, the.

E

Motion passed the motion itself passed so now we're just doing an effective date as of yeah.

A

Okay, hi guys motion; second, all in favor aye against. I don't understand why.

A

What's that this should have shouldn't that have been included in the first motion.

G

How can we have emotion about emotion that two of us said no to this is getting kind of I'm.

G

Not going to answer that, I don't under, I couldn't hear you so it just seems like I should have been.

G

In the first motion I mean some of us should have would have could have, but the first motion passed.

E

I understand yeah. I understand that I was there. We have another motion or just amend the first motion.

A

Tim, what do you want me to do? We need to hire a parliamentarian, and what do you want me to.

A

Do who's headset? I just I think you have to proceed the way you were proceeding.

A

Okay with two separate emotions, one having the effective the fy 24 impact fee at three.

A

Thousand dollars that got past three to two uh second motion was to have the fy24 impact.

A

Fees of three thousand dollars effective september 1st 2023., and I got that motion.

A

Seconded and approved, I think three to two: is that correct? Are we comfortable with that yep.

X

G

Yeah I mean: is there a way to abstain from voting? Can we do that? Yeah from that? Second.

G

Vote because it doesn't really make any sense for for me, okay, so it's uh it's kind of three one. One.

A

Relevant with one obsession: okay, when's, the last time the board of county commissioner has raised.

G

Impact fees: do you have any idea that the year of that that was, it was a long time ago, 90s 90s.

U

Thanks what it's been 10 years, or so that we've been zero, they've been zeroed and.

V

They were pretty consistent prior to that for many many years. Yes, it's a long time so.

E

um Ted um just for clarification, neither is mine for whoever is listening and for.

E

Me obviously so if the date is september 1st, what triggers that, when I file for a.

E

Permit when I get my permit application, yes, the application, the application.

A

Education it'll be interesting how the newspaper and others on blogs and capture this one. So.

A

Okay, thank you, ted thanks. Let's move on.

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Request for public hearing amendments to change, chapter 158 of the zoning.

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Code department of land right land and resource management.

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Good morning, commissioners, morning morning, if I may, before we get started, I just wanted.

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To mention something related to the last topic, so we are currently going through the process.

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Of procuring a housing study that will help and is required as part of the master plan.

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Process that we'll be looking at over the next couple of years and that housing study, if this.

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If the scope of that study does not include looking at impact fees and and the impact to.

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Housing, development and and availability of stock and so on. We can certainly talk to the.

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Consultant as we go through the procurement process to include that so that may help for.

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Future discussions related to the topic. I would appreciate it appreciate that yeah. Thank you sure.

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So good morning I am here with hannah weber to discuss click on the right things here.

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uh We're requesting approval to go to a public hearing related to some zoning text. Amendments.

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To chapter 158- and this relates to the general topic- is restaurants in the agricultural zone.

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So you may remember on may 4th that you all directed us to talk to the planning.

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And zoning commission about restaurants in the ag district and really there were two primary focal.

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Points for this discussion uh related to issues that have come up over the past a year or two.

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So the first is related to food preparation for farm alcohol producers or other typically wineries.

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The other is for restaurants functioning at golf establishments. So with your direction, we then went.

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Before the planning and zoning commission on july 18th and provided them with background information.

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And they had a discussion about the two amendments that we propose to them. That would address these.

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Issues and on july 18th they gave a favorable recommendation for the two recommendations that.

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We presented to them so we're here before you to talk about those recommendations.

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So, to start with talking about farm alcohol producers, the issue that we have is that many.

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Years ago, when we established the code specific to wineries, the farm, alcohol producers, it was.

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Understood that they were not functioning as restaurants, they were, they were serving wine and.

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There was the potential for having events where they would have food trucks, and things like that.

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And so the code was written as such, and the code basically indicated that food is ready for service.

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Or in a state generally ready for consumption, so the code does not allow on-site preparation.

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Of food at these types of establishments this year senate bill 322 from the state revised.

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State law, which allowed for the preparation of a very prescribed list of foods at these types of.

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Establishments and those foods include things like pizza and so on. So what that means is that our.

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Code was somewhat inconsistent with the state law that I think there's the general impression that.

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Wineries being able to serve these types of foods was was beneficial to the to that industry and and.

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There was some interest in revising the the county code to become consistent with what the state had.

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Just changed it to so. Our proposed amendment would revise the county code to be consistent.

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With with the state law, so what I have here is uh is the current county code, with the proposed.

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Revisions before we go into the main paragraph, I want to point out the three subsections there. The.

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First, two kind of speak to the intent of the code back when it was drafted and and passed.

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Before it relates to advertising to the public, is only for the wine tours and tastings not for food.

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And that's the amount and type of food is, is to be secondary, good information to understand the.

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Intend it was driving the the establishment of the code, but really these things, those types of.

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Of items are very difficult to enforce and my opinion, and uh what we've talked about is that.

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We prefer the code to be more concise and and specific, and so having these types of of general.

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Regulations that really would be difficult to enforce. We recommend taking those two out.

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Then the third item is the item that we're talking about, which is whether you can prepare the food on.

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Site and we would recommend taking that out and that we would revise the code, as we've indicated.

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In red, so the code would change to be the farm. Alcohol producer may prepare, sell it and serve.

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Food in accordance with the provisions outlined in the farm alcohol producers state license and must.

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Also obtain appropriate licensing and approvals from the carroll county health department.

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So essentially, this makes it ties our code to what the state allows, and so, if the state then.

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Changes we don't have to change our code, so those are our recommendations um happy to answer any.

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Questions and if you don't have any questions I'll move on to the second amendment so chris just to.

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Your point, so if the state say 10 years from now said, you know this is no longer how we're going.

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To do things with the pre I mean so the county would automatically have its code changed to.

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Reflect the state, irrespective of whether we felt it was appropriate for us in this county.

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So is there a way that we can work some kind of a language in there that would set us apart.

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I I understand we're trying to make ourselves consistent with the state, but, for example, if.

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I'm a business and I'm I'm you know doing the preparation of food and suddenly the state.

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Law changes right, suddenly, I'm no longer in in compliance, but if we as a county feel that it's.

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Okay for them to continue producing the food, how do we make sure that that doesn't affect them so.

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I will defer to our council, but my understanding is that um that we could not. We cannot be less.

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Restrictive than the state, so if the state were to say you have to you, statewide have to stop doing.

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This we cannot override the state and have a local ordinance that says you can do it. That's correct.

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But this this wording will keep us from being more strict. Correct, yes, state opens up more where.

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Exactly yes and I think, there's a lot of good logic in being consistent with the state. Yes, I.

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Just want to make sure that we're not causing any undue hardship to our businesses or to our.

D

Yes, I agree. Thank you very much. Thank you sure what, and that was your concern. Yes,.

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So if there are no other questions, I'll move on to the second amendment.

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So this relates to restaurants at the golfing industry. So currently, restaurants are not.

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Allowed in the agricultural conservation zones at all, but how we recently had a bza case now.

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No bca decisions do not set precedence, so there's not concern there, but we were a.

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Little concerned that this may be opening a a can of worms that and a hole in our.

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Code, the bza k certified that a restaurant as an accessory use to a driving range in the ag zone.

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Our concern with that is that accessory uses are meant to be incidental to the primary use of a.

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Property so, for example, if you have a residence or if you have a um a farm, putting up a pole, barn to.

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um To store equipment or whatever that's an incidental use to what you're already using.

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The property for, and so that's an accessory use, the concern is, is that a restaurant.

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Viewed as an accessory use, a restaurant can have a larger impact than even the principal use.

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So in the example of where the bca made this decision, the driving range had a certain impact to.

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The community, a certain number of vehicles coming a certain number of people using that facility.

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The restaurant could bring more so more people than what was originally approved and approving.

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It as an accessory use there were not additional approvals or reviews that had to be done to look.

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At that approval as a or it's not even their approval, it's just it's an accessory use to.

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That property, so our recommendation was that we recognized that there are often restaurants that.

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Are co-located with golf businesses, whether it's a golf course or golf driving range.

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So what we recommend is adding a new use to the use table and agriculture and conservation.

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Districts, which would be restaurants co-located, with a golf course and or a golf driving range.

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So that way, and there would be a conditional use which would mean that they would have to go to.

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The board of zoning appeals, foreign approval and then go through a site plan process. So all.

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The due diligence required as far as community input as far as that increase and intensity of.

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The use and so on that process would occur now to support that that additional use. We also have a.

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Section of code, that's specific to golf courses at section, 150 169. The text in a that was that.

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Already exists and we're not changing any of that. That's all related to golf courses, but what we're.

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Suggesting is that we add in item b, which would be that restaurants may be a co-located use to a golf.

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Course, and or golf driving range the co-location of a restaurant to a golf course and or golf.

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Driving range is a conditional use that requires approval from the board of zoning appeals and the.

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Site plan approved from the county's planning commission, so I think that that very narrowly.

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Focuses and addresses the issue of restaurants that that co-locate at these types of of.

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um Businesses and doesn't open up a pandora's box of um of chain restaurants and so on.

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um Opening up all around the county because we open it up to all ag uses.

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And they spent sense to keep it specifically to the the driving ranges. And- and I.

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um Yeah you and I know from from our previous discussions that I've been concerned about a.

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Chain, restaurant popping up in the in the middle of nowhere, um and- and I guess for me one of the.

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Things that that makes me comfortable about this is that, knowing that it would be a conditional.

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Use means that it would have to satisfy, for example, concerns of local residents or the.

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Local community, uh before any kind of use, is granted correct. Correct. Yes, thank you. Yes,.

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Any other questions about the two amendments, more of a comment than a question, but I do appreciate.

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And I was I was in the planning and zoning meeting where this was just recently discussed. I do.

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Appreciate that it's sort of been the initial comment of restaurants in ag was kind of a.

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Odd choice of title, I guess I like how this dials it down a bit. I mean, I guess.

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My only question would be hypothetically, let's say I go and I buy a uh a driving.

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Range, can I stick a dairy queen there, or is that going to be kept out of that.

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Yes, you could, because we can't differentiate one restaurant versus another. So now you would have to.

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Go if we follow this logic, you would have to go to the the bza and and so on, but we can't.

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Differentiate one restaurant, a family, restaurant versus my suspicion, I mean, I guess my only.

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Question without getting into various restaurants, just for example, let's say I had a very large.

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Fast food restaurant could I buy a golf course and stick one there: hypothetically okay, yeah.

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Okay, it would be a very problematic to try and and distinguish one type of restaurant versus another.

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um So yeah- and I I understand what you're saying I guess my only concern and I'm just going to.

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Mention this to my fellow commissioners, is this kind of resolves that to a point, but obviously it.

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Still leaves that gate open that if somebody wants to potentially push the envelope, do we.

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See the possibility of larger, you know chain entities, not that I say they want to have a.

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Golf course, but would that be a possibility? I think the possibility is obviously a yes.

F

So just something to consider is it pot and I don't get I know distinguishing restaurants.

D

Is difficult I mean, is there a way for us to include language about the restaurant being? I.

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Get it being a conditional use, but but is there some way of being able to deter to.

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Define that that restaurant has to be somehow a part of the golf course like I, I couldn't.

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Say: okay, I feel like this is a great place to open up mcdonald's versus saying. Well, I have a.

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Driving range- and I think it would be awesome for me to you- know, set up a self-styled you.

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Know, restaurant here that's specifically thematic to the the driving range itself.

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I'd have to give some serious thought as to what kind of language that that could be right.

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um I think the limitation of it having having to be on the same parcel, because.

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It's the it's the same site and so on is is one limitation. That's inherently there.

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um But I'm not sure how to we would codify something that that would tie one with the.

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Other so, for example, so as an example, um if, if just as an example, we say well, we wouldn't be like.

D

A drive-through kind of establishment you couldn't have that right, I mean is that is that part of the.

D

I don't know, would that fall under what would be required to have it receive a conditional.

D

Use granting so that that would be something that would be um uh taken to the bca as part.

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Of the the bza hearing and the developer would propose exactly what it is, the use that they want.

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um They could propose that they want to have a drive-through. They want to have x, y and z aspects.

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To to the restaurant, the bza can res attach reasonable restrictions to that type of use. um The.

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Keyword being reasonable, so I'm not sure I can't speak for the bza whether they could put that kind.

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Of requirement that prohibit a drive-through or not um because I mean it's kind of like I mean if.

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You visit like a for example. There are some cities and some towns that have historic districts right.

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And then, while a starbucks may open up there or or while in arby's may open up there, there are.

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Certain aesthetic conditions that they have to to adhere to in order to do that, for example, they may.

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Not be able to have one of their giant neon signs outside, they have to have like a wooden sign that.

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Says mcdonald's in the window or something or or is anything like that possible to implement.

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To deter the potential for a chain restaurant opening up next to a golf course, so there there.

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Currently is zoning code for related to signs and, and things like that and as as a project.

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Goes through the development review process, we do look at architectural um uh features and and.

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Things like that and provide recommendations, and the planning and zoning commission can can.

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Look at those types of of aspects to a project and and and make requirements along those lines.

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That's really on a case-by-case basis and would be something that'd be really difficult to codify.

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So in going back real quick to the issue with the drive through, that's not something that we could.

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um Add as something that would not be allowed as a restaurant associated with a golf course or a.

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Driving range, like we couldn't say this, this is a restriction, we're going to add period. You cannot.

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Have a drive-through with this restaurant! That's attached to this golf course, or this driving range.

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I can't imagine that people would want to do that. Anyways right to make sure that that you know that.

D

That preemptory safeguard, is there right sure is that is that possible. Is that I'm going to defer.

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To look, let us look into that yeah we can look at. It seem to be uh off the top of my head. It.

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Would seem to be a legitimate uh addition to the ordinance okay, I mean. I can't imagine that dry.

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Things that we were strict, but I mean we can you don't think it of places like columbia, maryland.

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You know, for example, that have um you know that that's your your example of mcdonald's without.

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The big m march, you know arch m and and other kind of things they have very high, highly restrictive.

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um um Covenants, I guess, for lack of a better word um that prohibit a lot of.

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um Sort of the normal advertising kind of ways, um and yet businesses go there all the time.

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So it doesn't seem to restrict them, which is interesting, but um the county doesn't really.

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Has never really gone down that path. um You know we there are. Some of the towns have like.

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Pattern books that you know things have to look a certain way when they're developed in the towns.

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And things I mean the freedom plan, the freedom plan has, you know, guidelines for conforming yeah.

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You know, but I mean, and that was you know the 2018 and we talked about this. You know how does.

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That bounce against you know right and but but that's kind of you know that provides guidelines.

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um And how certain yeah establishments had to conform? But you know the counties to my knowledge.

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No board of commissioners has ever um you know, gone forward with um more restrictive.

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Elevations and landscape, you know we have elevations, we have landscape, you know we.

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Have them but they're very light compared to other jurisdictions? How long does that address.

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During the site pain site plan process anyway, so I I think, but I mean but yeah so again. I appreciate.

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Your your staff and the planning is only working on us. These are important issues. I support them.

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And we have spent a lot of time talking about. What's going on the ag, we even had a separate.

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Work session, I I think that commissioner, big daddy and commissioner gordon are on to something, though.

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Because you know when, when the restaurant was an accessory use, it almost implied that they were.

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Both an extension of each other that they were, you know it was, uh they were working together and.

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Now, when you remove the accessory requirement and you make it conditional- I think you are.

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Opening yourself up to just about anything, so I I do. I do see this as a as a potential issue.

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In this amendment that that I think we need need to address, because the intent is not to.

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Be able to have a national chain restaurant side up, you know what we have an opportunity to go in.

G

At the at the golf range right, that's not our intent here so yeah, while I'm very supportive.

G

Of these efforts, I do think that you both have have identified a bit of a of a blind spot.

G

Because without it being an accessory now, you've just made it conditional, and that could mean.

V

Well, accessories more permissive, yes, but because accessories, but really you're, saying it's already.

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A permitted use by right yeah, but but I think the implication is there that it's an ex. I mean that.

G

This the term accessory is that it is their extent it's an extension of one another that it's it's.

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Somehow related and- and I think the conditional use does give you a, I think, in more open.

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uh uh You know opportunity to to fill in the blanks of whatever that might look like so and and.

G

Perhaps the accessory didn't go far enough, like maybe it didn't. You know safeguard against that. So.

G

That that's an issue, but I I do think that the two commissioners are onto something keep in mind. It.

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Our zoning code prohibits it all together at the moment, and it was just that one bza case for that.

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One issue that um what the bza agreed with the applicant that, yes, it was an accessory use. So this.

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Is the so the county is no? The county's code does not indicate that restaurants are an accessories.

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And so I think that, hypothetically, if the business that that was the subject of the bza hearing had a.

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Chain restaurant come and approach them and say: hey you've already established a restaurant at.

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This at your location, we'd like to buy you out and replace your restaurant with our restaurant.

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I don't know that we would have any mechanism to prohibit that because it's already been approved.

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As an accessory use- and we we don't have any other code that that would affect it, so they would just.

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Change as an accessory to the the driving range, and we would have no recourse to to be able to.

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Evaluate the the implications of that by making this change by making it a conditional use, because.

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They were changing substantially changing the the business they would have to get approval through.

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The process, and so we would have a mechanism to evaluate the the implications of that.

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But the point is well taken that maybe there's some additional guide rails that can be put in.

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Place to to to guide to what we're looking for so my recommendation or my ask would be that we move.

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Forward with scheduling the public hearing in the meantime, we'll work on establishing.

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Some additional language that that gets us to the direction you're looking at following the.

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Public hearing we'll see what the public has to say and then, following that, we would have.

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Another open session discussion like this, where we can look at the revised language that we can.

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Bring before you marry that with any comments we get from the public and then you all can make a.

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Decision one way or another, if that's fair, I guess I'm sorry. Can you go ahead? I apologize.

D

That was that was my question on the process so because the public may bring up three more.

E

Things we didn't think of today we're just we're right now, letting you schedule public.

E

Hearing exactly so, the public hearing happens and we decide in the next session. We wanna.

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Maybe seriously change the wording, we're still okay in the process. We don't have to start over.

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We can keep moving and tweak this and yes, the public is on notice that uh that you're.

M

Considering uh restaurants in in a certain prop on certain properties in the ag zone and where.

M

You go from from. There is up to you yeah, we're not tied with this wording, we're just doing a public.

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Hearing to talk about the subject, so when we do the public hearing and you go through the brief.

D

Introduction can you point to act, I'm sure we'll have you know a number of citizens who are present.

D

That day, uh could you point out at the beginning, when you do the introduction that we are already.

D

Considering certain changes to the the second amendments uh on agricultural uh conservation.

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Districts with uh with restaurants and golf courses to try to prevent chain, restaurants from.

D

Coming in because I don't want people to come in here, thinking that that you know we're just we're.

D

Opening everything up- yes, yeah and actually we could have that language prepared by then, because.

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um Correct me, if I'm wrong, but by the time we have to advertise and so on this public hearing.

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Will probably be three weeks or so out, so that gives us plenty of time to to coordinate with.

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um The county attorney's office as far as appropriate language and as a draft.

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We can present that at that point all right well, thank you. Thank you very much. Just use.

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Small words when you're talking to the county attorney, that's all they'll do ask.

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I'm sorry roberta, you were.

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Also in the notice hearing notice so um yeah, so the people will be put will know what.

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What's being contemplated, okay motion to schedule, a public hearing for the above mentioned text.

D

Amendments to chapter 158 of the carroll county zoning code. Second, I have a motion. Second great.

A

Discussion, a further discussion seen here, none all in favor, aye aye. Thank you very much. Thank you.

A

Okay: let's talk about exercising the option of the kyle.

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Franklin and mark franklin, property, critical farms, program.

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Good morning, good morning, okay,.

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Again, let's now have it twice.

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Great all right come on, I'm not sure if it's morning anymore, oh we're gonna wait for mr garen to come back.

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Or should we start nope keep going go going all right uh good to be with you today, commissioners.

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Today, we're requesting uh final approval for a critical farms, program mark and kyle franklin.

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um Mark and kyle franklin farms on rook road and mount airy, 76.308 acres. We will be retiring.

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Three lot rights, and this is in district four. The appraised value of the land only was 953 900 and.

Z

um The franklin's purchase price was four hundred and four thousand six hundred dollars, so the.

Z

Cost of the county will be the lesser 52 and a half percent of the lesser of those two values.

Z

Which is 212 415 dollars.

A

Why was it so different between the uh the appraised value of the purchase price? um This is.

Z

Another state settlement, okay, so um I'm not sure how they worked it out between the siblings yeah.

Z

um But that was that was uh kyle and mark's price to buy from their family significant. So.

V

So it's really not a harm's length transaction. It's not really too. You know non, you know, sort.

V

Of strangers right, you know yeah, so it was amongst the family. Okay, okay, so here on, the left is where.

Z

um The franklin farm fits in with other preserved properties in the area, building a very large block.

Z

Over there, east of rock road or west excuse me it's a picture of the farm, beautiful crop field.

Z

So again, this is mark and kyle franklin, rook road, mount airy, 76.308, acres, three lot rights district.

Z

Four um and we'll be exercising this at the cost of 212 415, which is fifty two and a half percent.

Z

Of the purchase price cool, okay, commissioner, karen did you want to sure make the motion.

A

Nice nicely gone beautiful property. uh I moved the board of commissioners exercise the option.

G

The purchase for mark and kyle franklin through the critical farms program in the amount of two.

G

Hundred twelve thousand four hundred and fifteen dollars. Second, a motion guys. Second, a discussion.

A

On this seen here, none all in favor aye aye. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you. Thank you very much.

B

I also wanted to mention that currently, our total for preserved acres is 78 385.

A

I apologize say that one more time our total preserved acres today, 78 385 acres, awesome so.

Z

We're steadily steadily moving along awesome. Thank you for all of your work with this too.

Z

Thank you so much okay go away and get us some more. Thank you. Both okay, no problem.

A

Let's talk about purchasing some life pack, cr2 defibrillators in there.

A

Green and just in time, chief.

B

Good morning to both of you good morning,.

AA

Officer procurement, in cooperation with the department of fire and ems request,.

AA

Your approval to award the purchase of 18 life packs cr2 defibrillators from stryker medical in.

AA

The amount of thirty nine thousand two hundred and eighty three dollars and twenty cents this.

AA

Purchase will be made through a maryland state contract that was competitively bid, and this.

AA

Amount is within fy 24 budget, so no additional fund should be necessary and I'll turn it over.

AA

To michael, to tell you about the defibrillators, so this will be. We currently have 52 aeds in.

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The system, so that means all the county public buildings, aside from the board of education, so.

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This will be a nutritional replacement for 13 of those units. They have a lifespan of about eight.

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Years and then we'll be adding five additional, which will give us 57 in the system, along with.

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This we're also adding stop the bleed kits at each of those locations and and I'll note that.

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In 2022, we actually had a save at the eldersburg library because we had an automatic defibrillator.

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There and the person who was clinically dead has made a full recovery. Well, thank god,.

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So again we have a service and a replacement plan, and this would be consistent to that. We also had.

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One at century, high school, a couple years back in woodbine, also got engaged, but because of the aed.

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In place and those knowing how to use it from the nurse in the rotc instructors was pretty amazing.

A

Awesome yeah, so that's a good day. They work. Yes, they do so and uh maureen. Congratulations again.

A

On the 45 45 years of selfless service, thank you looking forward to the next 45 right. I think so.

A

But it was great to be recognizing you yesterday, amongst all the others. So thanks for putting up with us.

D

Motion to award the purchase of life pack cr2 defibrillators from striker medical in the.

D

Amount of 39 283.20. Second, I got a motion got a second any discussion seen here. None all in favor.

A

Aye aye. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you case mike. You go away. Maureen.

A

You stay, gentlemen, come on up and let's talk about new engine replacement for john deere.

A

John deere 544k loader morning, gentlemen, it's got to be a big look great morning. Okay,.

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Unfortunately, didn't bring a picture, though that's right and it's not parked outside.

A

Or anything right: okay, it's bigger than a bread box, even in bread box. That would help.

AA

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of solid waste request your approval to.

AA

Purchase a new replacement engine for a john deere 544k rubber tire loader from jesco in the amount.

AA

Of 46 468.97 and the bureau of solid waste did their due diligence and were checked with several.

AA

um Dealers- and it was found out that desco is in baltimore, is our nearest john deere dealer.

AA

That is authorized to perform the heavy equipment repairs. So this amount is within the fy24 budget.

AA

So no additional fund should be necessary and I'll turn it over to dwight and cliff to tell you about.

AA

The loader okay good morning, everyone morning, northern landfill equipment fleet incorporates.

AB

Two john deere rubber tire loaders they're, used for a variety of uses around the landfill. The.

AB

Engine in this loader, which is unit 8544, it's a 2015, john deere. The engine has failed jessica.

AB

Inspected it found out that cylinder valve had dropped and caught broke, free, causing significant.

AB

Damage to the cylinder and the cylinder head, the jesco technicians concluded the damage.

AB

Is too severe for the engine to be rebuilt or economically repaired? They have two new engines.

AB

In stock in the area unavailable for immediate installation and again, the quoted replacement.

AB

Cost is forty six thousand four sixty eight ninety seven, which includes pickup engine replacement and.

AB

Return to the landfill, the new engine will come with a one year. 2000 hour warranty any questions.

A

Any questions on this nope motion to authorize a replacement of the engine in unit 8544 through.

D

Jesco incorporated of baltimore maryland for the quoted amount of forty six thousand four hundred.

D

Sixty eight dollars and ninety seven cents second got a motion guys. Second, any discussion senior, no.

A

No in favor all right all right. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

A

A

Purchasing a chevy, tahoe police suv hello morning.

B

Good morning, the office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of fleet.

AC

Management or pressure approval to purchase one 2023 chevy tahoe from criswell chevrolet.

AC

Fleet sales for fire ems and the amount of 50 776 dollars, the state of maryland, awarded.

AC

Criswell chevrolet fleet sales, a cooperative contract that carroll county will utilize.

AC

This amount is within the fiscal year 24 budget and uh no additional funds should be necessary.

AC

Commissioners, this vehicle will be used as a chase unit by the department of fire and ems, and we will.

AD

Be in front of the board again seeking approval to outfit the vehicle, but we did need to schedule.

AD

This as quickly as possible, because the vehicle is actually in stock at criswell, so we didn't want.

AD

To miss out on that opportunity, with the board's approval today to allow us to prepare the vehicle.

AD

Much much sooner for the department's use how many additional vehicles are going to be needed in this.

A

In the short term long term I mean so we have four chevy tahoes that were ordered in june of 2022.

AD

They have yet to arrive right. um This would be the fifth chase unit and, as I said, the great benefit.

AD

Is that's in stock, so we're not going to have to wait that nine months to a year to receive it.

E

What else would need to be done to this uh this this piece? What needs to be added the outfitting.

AD

For the chase, vehicles includes cabinetry in the rear, a med, vault lights, sirens, radios, antennas.

AD

Everything that would make this vehicle to be able to provide the services of ems.

E

How long does that take? Is that relatively quick compared to waiting for a vehicle.

E

uh Yes, sir, there is delays in receiving some of the parts and then labor to install them. We could.

AD

Be looking at a couple months for total process and they only have one on the lot. uh Yes, sir. Okay.

AD

Too bad okay motion to approve the purchase of one 2023 chevrolet tahoe from criswell chevrolet.

D

Fleet sale for the fire ems department in the amount of fifty thousand seven hundred.

D

Seventy six dollars second got motion. Second, any further discussion seen here, none all in.

A

Favor all right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let's talk about some traffic paint, exciting.

R

Good morning, commissioners, good morning necessary.

AC

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of rhodes operations, request your.

AC

Approval to per just 8, 800, gallons of yellow and 8, 800 gallons of white traffic paint from.

AC

Ozark materials loc in the amount of 204 864 dollars. This purchase is being.

AC

Made through a maryland state contract that was competitively bid and awarded to ozark.

AC

Materials, it was also a term contractor with carroll county. The purchase amount.

AC

Is within the fiscal year 24 adopted budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

C

Okay good morning paints attempts to paint the um the white lines every other year throughout.

R

The entire county, and then we try to paint the yellow lines on every road throughout.

R

The county, additionally, with all the paper and preservation we restriped all the roads there.

R

And we also restripe everything that gets done through the engineering department through their.

R

um Rebuild yeah rehabilitation process.

A

Well, I see our state's attorney, can you whitewash him with some of his pain or just you know, just.

A

Asking um so some of these roads don't meet the width requirement and we've talked about this.

A

um Can we make uh you know, um can we modify that, even though it doesn't meet those specific.

A

Restrictions and I'm thinking you know because we've talked about slacks road correct previously.

A

Correct and with knowing what's happening on slacks road with the growth with the va.

A

Facility can be built the more ready that area is the better it is for for everybody. So I'm just I'm.

A

Just curious, if um and doug's standing behind you, but I I'm just curious if they are hard numbers.

A

And we cannot make adjustments to them so either so again uh throughout the county, as we've said,.

AE

Before we, 70 percent of our roads are prescriptive, easement roads, meaning that we have the ability.

AE

And to write under law to keep those roads open and to maintain those roads in the way of.

AE

Drainage and other things, but we can't physically change in the terms of widening any road that we.

AE

Don't own ground, for that being said, slacks road. Obviously the state does own some of that, and so.

AE

We have had based on potential development, some preliminary discussions and we are engaged with.

AE

Them that, as soon as they have a plan to make us aware of it to be able to potentially widen.

AE

And lessen some of the curvature in the road near that area, so we have had some initial discussions.

AE

With the state on that, this is outside of rhodes. This was actually with our engineering shop and.

AE

Myself, so that they would include us in any future discussions when it comes time for them to begin.

AE

Design on that project and how the road goes through that property, so are you talking with.

A

um Dgs are you talking with state highway, so we are actually talking with dgs, because dgs.

AE

Will then, as they as they start design, they will incorporate the front of that property and allow.

AE

Us to use some of it for straightening the curves and potential widening of the road.

AE

And then the other areas down there is they are developed when they come in. Typically, it.

AE

Is a developer? Responsibility to you know, widen the road to the existing standards that we want.

AE

But that does leave us with some roads. What you mention is we typically well not typically, we.

AE

Do not mark a road unless we have 25 feet width so that we can allow a center stripe down and then 12.

AE

Feet: minimum on each side: that's why you notice at slacks road and some portions has lines and other.

AE

Portions does not because it does not meet minimum width requirements. We also, regardless of width, try.

AE

To always line the intersections because we don't want a vehicle to stop in the middle of the road.

AE

And allow a vehicle that's trying to turn in no place to go, because that would create a potential.

AE

Accident and we want them to be aware that it's two-way traffic, so that's the that's the short.

AE

Answer, but that certainly is the big big broad part is we have to own the ground first, if we.

AE

Own the ground, then certainly we could look to widen and or make the necessary improvements. No.

A

I agree I'm taking advantage of this opportunity because you all are here sure talking about this.

A

um And, to put it in context, we're talking about the va center that the state and.

A

Federal va is paying for that's going to be on the dgs, property or state property.

A

um On the one side of slacks road, just down from the american legion um going to be down at you,.

A

Know maryland association counties in uh a few weeks um talking to the new dgs, uh you know.

A

Secretary shadow ray and know him well, so if you can feed me some of that information, that would be.

A

Helpful, certainly, okay, we'll get you an update on our last conversation and, as I said at that time,.

AE

They they were not prepared to give it, but we did to give us a brief. They hadn't even had that first.

AE

Meeting yet, but we told them of our interest to work, you know cooperative cooper, easy for me to.

AE

Say to cooperate with their work and uh and move along uh the project as it came about. Okay again,.

A

I apologize taking this the side note on this, but uh you know appreciate the information thanks doug.

A

Ocean to approve the purchase of traffic pain from ozark materials llc and the total amount of 204.

D

864 dollars. Second, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion on this. How long will this supply.

G

Be expected to last the supply should last us the year for the for the next uh fiscal 24 we purchase.

R

Every every year last year we did not, we didn't um with having 22 when we couldn't get paint and then.

R

Had to have an outside contractor, we we're running extremely low right now, so we did. We don't have.

R

Any supply after hours, it should last us a year all right. Thank you. Okay, further discussion seen.

A

Here, none all in favor aye. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Now, let's talk about.

A

A contract award to demolition of 207, 209, greenwood avenue and billboard.

A

Who's coming up.

W

Still morning still good morning, good morning, keep going morning, everybody good morning.

P

Commissioners, we're here today to request your approval to award a contract to hti contractors.

P

For the demolition of the 207 and 209 greenwood avenue and the billboard and.

P

The total amount of fifty eight thousand six hundred dollars this demolition will.

P

Be necessary in order to begin preparation to construct the state's attorney's office hdi.

P

Is a county approved term contractor and this amount is within the adopted budget.

AF

Good morning, commissioners, thank you for your time this morning, um we're here to answer any questions.

AF

That you may have, I think, kerry, pretty much stated our points and in the interest of time, were.

AF

Willing to answer any questions you may have, but uh just looking to see if we can get your approval.

AF

To move forward, the timeline associated with this timeline would be upon your approval, we'd reach.

AF

Out to our contractor and get on their schedule, we're anticipating what maybe the next six weeks.

AF

Pending their schedule yeah, it could be sooner, but it's going to be dependent upon the hti schedule.

A

Six weeks to begin to begin and then when to finish.

AG

I think it'll probably start sooner than six weeks. I I hope to have it wrapped up within a month and.

AG

A half from start to finish, okay um impact on the road, while this is all happening shouldn't be any.

AF

Impact we can work off of the existing alley. That's between our property and staley's body.

AF

Shop, so all the all the work would be contained on the site itself. If, if need be, they would have.

AF

Someone monitoring, greenwood and ralph street the only thing that may impact that would be when we.

AG

Take the sign down, we may need to crane out on the ralph street for a short period of time, yeah.

E

Is is this space based on the state's attorney being out there in a hard hat with a sledgehammer.

D

I think that qualifies as reflective clothing or using him as a sledgehammer.

D

Motion to avoid the demolition of 207 and 209 greenwood avenue and billboard in the amount of.

D

58 600. Second, I have a motion. I have a second any discussion on this seen here. None all in.

A

Favor aye, thank you, commissioners, for your time this morning appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Okay: let's talk about fy24 sampling, laboratory testing and reporting services for various water.

A

And wastewater treatment facilities in just a moment, you can say good afternoon no keep.

E

Going good morning, good morning, good morning, the office of procurement, in cooperation with.

P

The bureau of utilities request your approval to award a contract for sampling, laboratory testing.

P

And reporting services for various water and wastewater treatment facilities to maryland.

P

Environmental service of millersville maryland and the amount of 137 342.76.

P

This award is being made via a term contract. The proposed work for this.

P

Excuse me, the proposal for this work is within the adoptive budget and no additional funds.

P

Will be necessary, we've also broken down each treatment facility with the individual cost on the.

P

um Concurrence letter for you, okay, gentlemen, this request is for a continuation of the work that has.

AH

Been performed by maryland environmental service or mes for sampling, lab testing and reporting.

AH

Services for the freedom, water and hampstead wastewater treatment plants, as well as our.

AH

Smaller scale, water treatment plants at bark, hill, pleasant valley and wastewater treatment, plants.

AH

At south carroll, runnymede in in pleasant valley also mes has provided these services to the county.

AH

Since 2019 and provides very similar services for dozens of other water and wastewater treatment,.

AH

Plants and jurisdictions throughout the state, including the state of maryland's own freedom,.

AH

Wastewater treatment plant in sykesville with this large grouping working group of facilities mes, has.

AH

Negotiated very cost effective contracts with multiple testing labs throughout the state and.

AH

Region mes has dedicated staff for these services and is very very familiar with the maryland.

AH

Department of the environment's mandated testing and reporting requirements mes will continue to.

AH

Ensure that all testing parameters and reporting to ask me to exceed these requirements. The overall.

AH

Scope of this contract will also include continued mes assistance with the renewal process of various.

AH

Mdee discharge permits, including the active hampstead wastewater treatment, plant renewal.

AH

At this, charges have flown into piney run and deep, run and, and most importantly for for my bureau, mes.

AH

Assistance with these with these overall services allows brio staff to focus fully on the operation.

AH

Of our various treatment facilities, any questions for me, I think um one important important point.

A

Is for the good of the community for the good of you know, my colleagues define mes what is maryland.

A

Environment services, because there's this thought that their state and their quasi- and so you know.

AH

My best answer- and you basically took the word out of out of my mouth as they are a.

AH

Quasi-State private company, so they they, the employees, I believe, are considered to be state.

AH

Employees, but they I'm okay, so I'm not. They are ages, they are. They are an agency of the state.

P

Mes is an agency of the state. Are they I? I thought they were quasi, they were quasi, I think, but they.

V

Do the employees are state employees, yeah, okay, so they they have contracts throughout.

AH

The state, uh with many many uh with virtually all other counties and and towns and so forth,.

AH

um They they do provide very valuable services, both for the operation of various facilities.

AH

And and we're going to use them for here for with the with the lab testing and reporting.

AH

They also have many other branches. I think cliff has mentioned them with use for the uh the solid.

AH

Waste or landfill operations- and they have many other many other components and divisions as well.

AH

I personally have worked with them for over 25 years dating back to my previous job. Okay, thanks.

W

Motion to award a contract for sampling, a laboratory, testing and reporting services.

D

For various water and wastewater treatment facilities to maryland environmental service.

D

In the amount of 137 342.76, second, I have a motion. I got a second any discussion on this one.

A

Seen here, none all in favor, okay,.

A

Let's talk about installation of an insertion valve on the oakland road.

A

24 inch diameter water main good afternoon good afternoon.

P

Chairman cooperation with the beer utilities request your approval to award a contract for the.

P

Installation of an insertion valve on the oakland road 24 inch diameter water main in proximity.

P

I'm sorry in proximity to the freedom district, water treatment plant to garrison enterprise of.

P

Vineland new jersey and the amount of forty nine thousand dollars this award will be made as a.

P

Single source, given the specialization of the task, two other proposals were solicited and are listed.

P

Below so bear with me with this explanation of what we're trying to accomplish here, it's please.

AH

Ask questions as I go through this as per the briefing paper summary, there is no effective means.

AH

Of isolating the freedom district water treatment plant from from our service area, this has become.

AH

More and more critical as the plant and the adjacent water means continue to age and upgrades.

AH

Replacements and repairs are needed when the new plant was constructed in 2009, the old, the the.

AH

Existing or old 16-inch diameter water main was kept operational under oakland road. After being t.

AH

Connected to the new 24 inch diameter water main that that that leaves the plant, the old 16-inch.

AH

Water main has the lateral connections that serve the properties along oakland road. The main also.

AH

Functions as a parallel supply to the service area, this line is equipped with its own isolation.

AH

Valve, however, as staff has recently learned them for reasons unknown, the new water plants 24 inch.

AH

Diamond or oakland road water main was installed without it without an isolation valve the nearest.

AH

Water valve is located approximately 2 700 feet, westward on oakland road and is located prior to.

AH

The old 16-inch water main reconnection to the 24 inch line this. So what this means is this renders.

AH

The old 16 inch diameter water main useless in the event of a pipe failure on the 2700 foot segment.

AH

The only possible way of utilizing the 16 inch diameter pipe to supply the entire service area.

AH

Is to install the the instance is to isolate the 24 inch diameter water main at the t, connection.

AH

With the installation of a new valve, so this project, uh um this project provides a proactive.

AH

Improvement to the operation of the freedom district, water treatment plan in the service.

AH

Area an assertion valve is installed, live to the in-service pipe under operating pressuring.

AH

Conditions there will be no loss of service during the operation and bureau staff will also.

AH

Will provide access, trench and support services to the contractor, as well as pavement patching.

AH

Repairs at a cost savings to us of approximately 10 to 15 thousand dollars any questions about that.

C

Okay motion to award a contract for the installation of an insertion valve on the oaks district insurance.

D

District, you sure yep positive, that's what I was waiting for. I just wanted to make sure.

D

Motion to award a contract for the installation of an assertion valve on the oakland road 24 inch.

D

Diameter water main to garrison enterprise incorporated in the amount of forty nine.

D

Thousand dollars and zero cents. Second, I got motion guys second, aid discussion. This.

A

Seen here, none all in favor all right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

A

um Wonder why you come on move on up uh chris? Is there anyone on the line.

A

No one on the call this morning, okay, good afternoon, excuse me.

A

Okay, what I need is a review of closed minutes from july 20th.

A

Yeah july 20th um regarding land acquisition.

B

Motion to approve a second, I got a motion. I got a second.

A

In discussion she's another all in favor, all right.

W

Hello wanda: how are you okay,.

A

Quest for public hearing proposed new ordinance for public safety nuisance calls that's just.

V

That we'll be on the agenda in two weeks, so this is your free information about it.

A

Oh, so it's basically an information paper, that's what we have got it. Okay. um Does anybody have.

A

Anything for open admin, the only one thing I do have and I apologize not sharing it earlier.

A

um Governor moore and secretary anderson commerce mentioned uh in the last couple days about hans.

A

Moving from uh westminster, staying within county up to hampstead to a 54 000 square foot facility.

A

And um you know it's a 125 plus year, you know staple amongst our community and it's great.

A

That we're keeping it within the county. It's a another partnership that economic development.

A

That was led through jack, mr lyburn and the state. The state has given four hundred thousand dollars.

A

To hans for work, force, development um and uh it's a 10 million facility, can you say again the money.

E

A lot I know your favorite thing is social media. There were posts on there. Why would the governor.

E

Announce this well, how much money did yeah! So again, it's a it's! A strong partnership that.

A

We carroll county have with uh maryland um and uh the department of commerce department of commerce.

A

Gave four hundred thousand dollars for employee training uh for the new hans facility, no county.

A

Does better than carroll county when it comes to getting training dollars out of the state and.

A

The work that mr lyburn and his team does with um you know now, secretary anderson, um so that that's.

A

Why, governor moore highlighted the importance of hans you know and carroll county? This is a.

A

Win-Win for our community, our county, hampstead itself and uh and maryland. So congratulations.

A

To all those involved, all sudden well said: okay, anything else for uh for all of us. Okay,.

A

Hopefully, without choking um monday july 31st, we have breakfast carroll county, 4-h, ffa,.

A

Fair commissioner kyler vigliotti and I will be attending- are we allowed to walk around.

A

After that, today, you typically, if you had those, unfortunately, are we allowed to walk.

A

Around after the breakfast we'll be yeah, you'll um there'll be a 4-h and ffa.

A

I don't say: kids uh representatives take us around to the different locations. Awesome.

A

um On tuesday 2pm, uh commissioner gordon vigley eye color, and I will be having some.

A

Ice cream at the simmons ice cream 100th year, proclamation up in hampstead and then at 6 pm.

A

Is national night out again it shows sykesville with freedom, but there's others and we'll capture.

A

All the others, because I know commissioner gordon, has a whole bunch here in westminster.

A

And I'm gonna try to find out. I'm not sure what hamster is doing with uh their construction and.

E

Everything going on if they're doing uh something in that area or not yeah.

A

On wednesday says: 4 30., I thought it'd be a little bit later than that, but that's all.

A

Right the cake auction at the 4-h um at the fair at the county, fair commissioner, gordon.

A

Tyler and I will be attending commissioner kyler promises to spend a lot of money in commissioner.

A

Plan on eating what he spends I'll be there by the way, if you want to add me- and I think.

E

It starts at six or seven minutes, so I had please, commissioner thursday. We go into open.

A

Changes to chapter 170 construction codes from dpw contract renewal, northeast maryland, waste.

A

Disposal authority, mr engel will walk us through that um fy 24 town, county agreements with.

A

Hampstead and mount airy, mr zaleski, will be walking us through that. That afternoon is.

A

um Greater baltimore committee, mid-year briefing I'll be attending down in baltimore and then.

A

The carroll county chamber of commerce, biz challenge where commissioner gordon will be.

A

Attending really- and he shared that earlier, create event, great community activity and the winners.

A

From uh not flood zone, uh what was the other one um pipe, the the beer pipe the side is it.

A

Pipe beside it was one of them. It may have been fled, some one of them won it and then botanical.

A

Fire, I don't know one of the breweries won it, but really good stuff. uh Then friday.

A

Again, we have 4 30, not sure, but it's uh the livestock auction.

A

uh Commissioner, 430 is actually the buyer's barbecue yeah. I think.

E

um And- and it's it's not long, it's five or six that when that one starts earlier than a cake.

A

Commissioner kyle and I will be attending possibly the others as well on saturday.

A

um That fire department that's uh canceled at this time, but at 10 a.m. There is a reach.

A

Across america, mobile education exhibit, uh with babylon faults in new windsor.

A

And that's going to be a full day event. So great event. I have the podcast for that week.

A

Following week, august, 8th tuesday august 8th, is the charles carroll community center ribbon.

A

Cutting and then that evening is the ag board ag center board meeting I'll be attending wednesday.

A

August 9th farm museum board meeting commissioner vigliotti and then that later that afternoon.

A

The board of education excuse me, has a board meeting and we'll determine who's attending that.

A

Nothing's nothing scheduled august 10th. Yes, I've failed to put it. I didn't transfer it over. Oh, but.

AF

I don't have anything that's up to hearing. I wonder. Okay, so we'll see what's going to feed.

A

Into open session, but open schedule open session is scheduled for zero. Nine hundred on thursday.

A

August 10th and we'll fill in the blanks, okay, and then commissioner vigliotti, has the podcast.

A

um Is there anything else, wanda, no? Okay? What I need is.

A

Motion to adjourn or a motion to reset change acquisition, a motion to adjourn for.

A

Land acquisite motion recess for land acquisition, close to close for land acquisition, followed by a.

M

Motion to adjourn I'll get it right. Okay, when I leave motion to close for land acquisition.

A

And then a motion to adjourn following that so moved second, okay, all in favor all right.