Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 5 May 2022

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Okay, good morning it's uh may 5th thursday may 5th. Excuse me. We have open session this morning.

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uh Looking forward to a a good conversation and presentation from the maryland associated.

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Counties really appreciate uh the president and executive director being here we'll hear from.

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Them in just a few but as always, let's stand for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of.

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Silence of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god.

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Indivisible with liberty and justice wrong.

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Okay, as we always do, we'll start with a priority carol, I will share that.

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Appreciation to sheriff dewees and his entire team in putting together this morning's prayer.

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Breakfast, it was uh both well intended, and um you know, uh I think, appreciated by all that were.

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Were there and all that spoke so, but let's get into a priority carol, uh commissioner frazier.

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What's in your mind, well, I can't read my notes, so that's difficult that old age, I wrote it too.

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Quickly, so I'll go a couple things I don't have to look down here. What is that last thing anyway?.

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I was at the ribbon cutting for the infinity center yesterday over at eldersburg. This is a.

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A resource, I guess you could call for the for the county. They do.

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Testing of children to see if they have any I'm listening, you know for autism and so forth.

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The hard thing is getting children tested, so they can get a diagnosis, so they can get the services.

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Because, without the diagnosis, you cannot get the services they have their own psychologists on on.

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Staff over there, so they can get the testing done. I think this will be work out great with carroll.

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County, hopefully the school system will take full advantage of this, because it's a a you know they.

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Work with students as young as 18 months up to six years old and they transition into the.

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School system, so that's a great thing: it's also at the seventh annual drug overdose and prevention.

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Vigil uh this past week, very, it's always very sad. There really is, as they they say, call out.

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The names of the individuals that have passed away from being from overdoses in this past actually.

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Those past two years since we haven't had a one on uh live. You know in person one uh recently so that.

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Was it's good to have that as good as a reminder, they always have good speakers and I I really.

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Think the speakers are impactful and they're plus they're open afterwards. If you want to talk.

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To them or get their numbers, something like that, a lot of people there's a lot of resources here, just.

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Have to reach out and grasp the resources they're here you got to take that first step on your own.

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And that's probably the hardest thing to do is get people to take that first step. The last thing I.

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Have written down here, I can't read if I remember what it is I'll come back to it later, all right.

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Wow, okay, commissioner wentz uh good morning uh honored to sit beside you, commissioner. Frazier.

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At the uh drug vigil the other night, uh I thought you meant in general or in general, okay, we could.

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You know I could push it that far, uh but it was a very uh it was somber, uh but yet it was.

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It was celebratory because uh you know remembering the lives of those that have been lost with that.

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uh Is um is critical, so kudos to the state's attorney's office for for putting that together.

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And I told the state's attorney alan culver- that's probably the first time that I've heard him speak.

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At that length, since he's been state's attorney- and he did a remarkable job.

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So good, I have to say that as well, so my my typical attorney jokes, that I make I'm gonna.

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Refrain from that today, mr burke and ms windham you're welcome uh I'll, give you five minutes.

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uh I want to thank those that attended uh my my carroll county chamber of uh carroll county.

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Chamber breakfast uh last when was that monday, tuesday, tuesday this week, sometimes when was.

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It I don't know, I thought you mentioned, that's why I didn't have it down in my notes. Okay, so.

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So that was that was uh pretty well attended up in in tawny town, and uh this is my opportunity to.

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Thank the chamber for all that they've done in the almost eight years that a couple of us here, three.

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Of us here have been in office with their state of the county address that they sponsor and the.

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The annual breakfasts that they do for all of us, that's remarkable, so we we thank them for their.

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Collaboration in the county uh union mills had a uh a very successful flower mart last weekend.

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I want to thank them for all that they've done and if he went up there and picked out.

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A flower- that's good, and you probably picked it out because sunday is mother's day and.

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What can you say about that? That hasn't already been said, or uh you know we we it's a day to honor.

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uh Some tremendous moms there's the flower mart nicely done chris. uh It's it's a day to honor.

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The moms- and uh you know, pay tribute to them for all that they do and um it's my opportunity.

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While I'm on the air this morning to say happy mother's day to my mom, who will be 86 this year,.

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And uh certainly to my wife, kathy and my two daughters who are both moms now so it's it's a.

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Great day- and I hope you take the opportunity to thank all the moms out there- it is also teacher.

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Appreciation week so make sure you thank teachers. My daughter has been an elementary school teacher.

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Now, for about 12 years and again, what do you say about the teachers? They do an amazing job and.

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uh I want to thank former teachers as well were those the former teachers? Yes, the former teachers.

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I apologize I abruptly have to step out for a call. Okay, we still maintain a quorum if uh yeah.

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Hopefully I'll be back okay, so um yesterday was national firefighters day. I hope you took.

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The opportunity to thank a firefighter, if not now's your opportunity. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. So far in your honor, well done. Yeah yeah, whatever.

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You know there's no sprinklers yet, so let me take a moment to talk about sprinklers.

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No now, uh but anyway in our county, the majority of our.

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Suppression calls are handled by volunteers still, so don't just take the opportunity on the day.

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If you see them out about thank them for what they do, and I'll also remind folks that we are.

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Rapidly getting to a point where we're going to begin our uh combination system here, which.

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uh I think will be the best anywhere, so uh thank a firefighter when you can cinco de mayo's today.

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Mexicans independence day, and um I don't know exactly what that means that we're supposed to do.

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uh Mr burke, I believe you have something in mind, but I'm not even I'm.

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I'm gonna, let should I no I'm not handing it over to you. Forget that so anyway, yeah well.

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uh You know margaritas come to mind and and all of the fabulous food that uh that we've experienced.

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And so, if you have the opportunity to celebrate cinco de mayo, please take the opportunity to do.

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That uh planning count planning commission last night was good. I sort of kind of muted myself.

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And took myself off the screen because they started with open meetings, training.

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I'm open meetings trained up to way above my height, uh they also went into ethics, training.

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I did pay attention to that because apparently I need some. uh You know upgrades on that. Every.

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Now and then for that yeah so whatever anyway uh and then uh they're talking about.

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Ag zoning, which will soon be in front of us yes, so um they did a a great job of talking about that.

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There were actually some good callers on there. One of them mentioned you dick about your involvement.

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They were talking about housing and those things that are occurring in our res or our.

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Agricultural zones, so so anyway, that happened, uh commissioner osteen and I had a really good.

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Meeting with comcast two days ago, there's new leadership now for our district, we're.

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Very much looking forward to working with them. I don't need to get into that. You are probably.

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Exhausted hearing me talk about the fact that everyone should have internet in this county.

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And so I won't go into that sermon but comcast is is, is re-energized. If you will.

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And I hope that they bring some good things to to the county and finally,.

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We were at the 50th anniversary of our bureau of aging and disabilities last week.

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And uh what do you say about that from our senior centers uh to everything else that that is is just.

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Incredible here that these folks have accomplished um kudos to all of you, uh one of those young.

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Ladies is sitting in the room, so you can pass along our thanks for a really nice day and uh it.

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Was incredibly well attended, I couldn't believe it, and those that gave speeches did a remarkable job.

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Some of them that was uh I'm glad to speak before I got over there, but that was uh two weeks ago and.

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We kind of divided up, and I think commissioner fraser and I uh attended the special olympics.

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uh Opening, which was also the 50th anniversary, also the same day as yeah, and uh we about froze.

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To death, where these other guys were in warm climate, but that was so when we got there, it was.

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Nice to be inside, but uh that was a great event both of them were. I heard the speeches were.

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Better at the special olympics than they were at the yeah. That's that's what I heard, but.

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Anyway, wrong and finally, for me, carroll county is again with the lowest unemployment.

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Ranking in the state we are tied with howard county. uh I talked with county executive ball.

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Yesterday- and uh he reminded me that it um that he thinks that uh it's a little bit of a.

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Competition going on there, which I reminded him that we always win, uh so I don't know how.

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That'll play out, but anyway we're tied with howard county, uh but uh 3.3 percent uh is really good.

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State average is 4.3 yeah, I'm still going and I'm done seriously.

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Oh, my god, thanks for the filibuster, okay, you're welcome, wow, oh and bob no go ahead anyway.

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After the special olympics and uh 50th anniversary, um I had a chance to attend.

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The uh freedom alliance veterans night, I was invited we had a very inspirational speaker.

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uh It was uh really interesting to hear a former commander of fort meade and what he's been through.

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And how he uh told just broke down about all the issues he's had and what he's gone through and.

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It was, it was really good ed. You did a great job on that, uh putting it together. um Also, I wanted to.

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Mention our own veteran celebration here, if you're not aware in carroll county, we do a lot.

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For veterans in carroll county this year may 15th from noon to four, we will have the first.

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Veterans celebration in carroll county, inviting 12 000 veterans to the farm museum, uh the army.

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Band will be playing, we will have military, uh hopefully a helicopter sitting down. We have other.

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Equipment out there, the uh it's a family event, it's things for children to be attending. It's.

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Families we're trying to get the veterans, basically, the younger veterans that are.

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Not associated with anything going on in the county what services are available to them.

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One of the uh all our service officers will be there to help them get their va cards.

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Our service organizations will all be there, letting people know what's uh what's available so.

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This is the first time ever. Thank you, chris. uh We are putting this together. Hopefully it's.

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An annual event in carroll county, uh but this is due to the carroll county advisory council.

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uh Putting this together- and hopefully this will be one of the premier events in the future here in.

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Carroll county to draw all veterans together, and I'm really happy about that and just one other.

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Note this time of the year you're seeing a lot of large equipment heading down the roads, large.

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Spray rigs large planting units work with them to get out of the road, because some of those units.

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Take up 12 feet of the road or more and they're folded up, and they can't navigate around mailboxes.

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And uh telephone poles and things like that, you have to work with the operator to get around.

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Those uh areas a little bit so just be aware: they're they're willing to work with you just.

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If you see one on the road, look, look for the driver and see what you know. They're.

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Doing navigate with them. Thank you. I I walk out and you become the safety officer. I don't know.

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You know flip, but uh I do appreciate the comment about the veterans appreciation day again.

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For the community, we have three veteran support officers that are part of our county government.

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I believe we're the only county that now does that, and I continue to work with secretary owings and.

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His team to promote getting vsos a part of county government and it can be put on.

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Half day or full day, but it has really made a difference and saved millions and millions of.

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Dollars since its inception, um this you know february 5th or excuse, may 15th.

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Event is really looking to be a great event and chris, that was a great video.

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It had the six string army band and a whole lot of other things to it.

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um The lions club event um is always important to me. I'm a fellow lion like dick over here and.

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I talk about silencing the stigma that we have and trying to figure out the demons and that's kind of.

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What I talked about was, you know, post-conflict post, a lot of things after 30 years, people say.

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If you don't have a problem, something's wrong with you so uh and um so you know taking care of that.

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And making sure the community understands um the only other thing, just as uh commissioner frazier.

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You shared down eldersburg, it's a really good opportunity again how to wrap your arms around a.

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Community and it's very difficult with autism the 18 month to six-year-old, because it is a 18-month.

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To two-year waiting list to get assessments of these kids at kenny, krieger and other facilities.

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That's way too long, and this is a way to mitigate that and do better at the end of the day when this.

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Is up and running completely it's going to have 40 kids capacity for morning and afternoon, a.

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You know a big shout out to our good friend collectively uh greg keller in the kellert.

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Foundation because he sees the needs in our community, and you know it's deeds, not words when.

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It comes to mr keller, so I really appreciate the keller foundation and all they're doing and our.

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Community for embracing this, um this need so, okay, I think we'll uh stop there. We you see we're one.

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Short wishing the best for commissioner boucher in his recovery not sure what the situation is.

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But I believe he's under the weather, so we do have a quorum. So let's continue and start with.

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Ladies, why don't you come on up and talk about the approval to submit the application.

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Accept an award for fy23 homeless solutions, program grant through housing or maryland uh dhcd.

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Thanks commissioners, good morning good morning, commissioners, I'm primary commissioners.

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I am here this morning with debbie standerford from our grants office.

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And scott yard, who is the executive director for human services program of carroll, county.

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We're here to receive permission, to apply and accept an award for the homeless solutions.

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Program grant annually the department of housing and community development provides.

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State and federal funding for homeless services through the homeless solutions program grant.

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With this grant, carroll county supports following programs: the adult and night by night shelter, our.

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Adult and family rapid rehousing program, our youth, rapid rehousing program, outreach and.

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Administrative costs associated with managing the grant as the grantee the county, sub grants, funding.

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To human services program of carroll county to support these shelters and housing programs.

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The department of citizen services will also operate operate. Excuse me, outreach activities.

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And the rapid re-housing program for the youth that are supported with these funds.

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In addition, the department of citizen services provides physical and programmatic oversight.

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Of the sub-grant funds in fiscal year 21 the county provided housing assistance.

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Housing and assistance for 517, homeless individuals so far for fiscal year 2022 we have.

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Served 478 homeless individuals funding for fiscal year. 22 is held flat to fiscal year, 21's award.

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Recently treasury announced the change in the e-rep 1 and e-rep 2 funding adjusting the.

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Spending period from september of 2025 to end with december of 2022, considering this change.

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An additional 5 million in state general funds has been added to the homeless solutions program.

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Allowing for a larger competitive portion which could potentially provide our agency double the.

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Funding we are applying for the maximum amount of competitive funds in order to com to accommodate.

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For the shorter e-wrap assistance period, we have requested additional funding to support case.

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Management and housing, stability with homeless prevention, assistance, outreach and rapid rehousing.

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Assistance through this competitive portion of the grant, the grant request is for eight hundred.

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And two thousand four hundred dollars the county match is 544 507 for a total of one million three.

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Hundred forty six thousand nine hundred and seven dollars the county match will be met with human.

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Services program of carroll county's county budget allocation, so there are no additional.

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County dollars that are required are there some questions that debbie and I can answer for you.

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The uh census that was recently done- um I don't know if it's a sense, whatever the the count.

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Count yeah the point in time count not sensitive point in time. Count.

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Is that added into this? Is that data? So yes, when you're looking at who we've served, the.

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Individuals would be sheltered um and through outreach, so they are included in that 478.

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For the this year, so far so 478, but here it says, 517 um 517 is for fiscal year 21 and currently.

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This year, in fiscal year, 2022 we've served 478 individuals. I think, commissioner, that that was a.

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Typo, that was a typing baby. Yes, that was the year okay count for 21 with 2017.. I apologize no.

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Do you have a breakdown of the and it can I I don't expect it being so objective, but.

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Subjective on uh the number of veterans, the number of uh age groups- male female- so not with me, but.

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Absolutely I can forward that information to you. We can give it to you by year. If you.

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Believe that'd be really helpful. Just so we know either there's inclines or declines in.

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Certain populations- and you know, there's other non-profits and services that may.

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Gear towards us as well to be supplemental absolutely through this. So okay.

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Man um questions you can say I'll make the motion. The board of commissions approved the submission.

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Of the fy23 homeless, solutions grant application and accept the award second, okay: I have a motion.

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In a second, is there any further discussion questions? Thank you so much. Ladies all, in favor.

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All right, okay! Thank you! um Okay, now we have uh the pleasure of bringing up mr mike sanderson.

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The executive director of the maryland associate counties and ms laura price, the president of the.

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Maryland association, counties and just a quick preface from me and if others want to add in.

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The opportunity to participate in maryland association counties the way we have and I've.

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Said it, you know multiple times having you know, a colleague with commissioner lance as a member.

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Of the board and the participation that both commissioner fraser and lance have.

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Is is fantastic? um The open communication candidness is so important as we go through some.

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Challenging times, uh and it's just one of the pieces of puzzle to understanding maryland in.

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The region, whether it's the bmc, the economic alliance, greater baltimore,.

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Dominco, they all dovetail with each other to understanding the impact that both legislation.

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Have and the um the economics and social, cultural everything else so really appreciate you both.

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Coming this way, one had to come a little bit further than the other, but that's okay,.

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uh Maybe I'd rather be on the other side of bridge right now, but yeah we're here yeah so does.

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Steve I mean well, everybody knows how I feel uh I I said this. The other day at my chamber, breakfast.

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Back when I get into this office in 2014, we were all kind of.

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Deciding who was going to do what and uh they looked at me and said, would you be interested.

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In mako and I'm like so what's mako again, can you spell it, and uh I said yes, I would you know after.

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A brief description, I said yeah that sounds like something uh that I'd be interested in, so the rest.

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Is history uh I will tell you uh that, as a almost an eight-year veteran of this of this office, now.

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We could not do what we do without mako. There is absolutely no question about that. uh You, you are.

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uh Mako's, the rock that keeps all of us in in the state uh rolling along and laura. You know that and.

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We we talk about that all the time so, michael to you and your staff uh huge. Thank you for all that.

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You you folks do for us uh not only throughout the legislative craziness of the of the year, uh but.

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Throughout the year uh with everything that you provide uh the counties, you do an awesome job and.

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um I you know it's it's uh it's something that I will that the memory of being involved with.

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Mako will be forever with me and I truly do appreciate the opportunity. So thank you.

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Okay, I I agree with everything that you said. I appreciate the fact that you recognize what.

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Mako does again for the record: I'm laura price, I'm honored to be the current president of the.

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Maryland association of counties and talbot county council member.

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We are really grateful to be here this morning. A little early I did have to get up at 5, 30.

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I will forgive you for that. um We're going to provide you with the updates from um the general.

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Assembly- and it's just been three weeks since good old siney die. It feels like forever already.

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You know the second half of session. We had the things opened up. We had the opportunity.

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To get out and shake some hands and start really communicating with those legislators.

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In person, which makes all the difference in the world to be able to be face to face with them,.

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To really talk about what's important about why we like bill, why we don't like a bill um and why it.

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Needs to be amended um and that that opportunity happened and we had our reception. You know near.

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The end of session about three or four weeks uh before the end of session, which was, I think,.

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The perfect opportunity, as we were, trying to get through a few of these a few of these bills. There.

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Are about 2 700 of them? They love to introduce just a lot of stuff mako analyzed over 900 of them.

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Which is just an enormous uh amount of work for the staff and they have to go through that fast.

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And furious, and I am eternally grateful for all of the work that they get done. I'm also.

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Eternally grateful for all the work that the legislative committee and again thank you.

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Steve for everything that you do there, you are a very strong voice on that committee.

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uh We couldn't do it without you, um and the committee comes together and the last.

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Two years, unfortunately, it's been in, you know, virtual in the zoom room and I've been trying.

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To keep my little chickens together, going turn on your cameras and you know, make sure.

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That they stay involved- and I think they'll be glad when that part's over. um But uh you know.

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That's a big commitment, whether you're traveling to annapolis, or to make sure that you're setting.

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Aside time, you know every wednesday morning to do that. You know our rural county coalition gets.

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Together on monday nights and talks about all the bills that we're going to do on wednesdays and.

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You're a big part of that as well steve. Sometimes we don't have a quorum on that one. As you know,.

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But you know mako's credibility is because of the elected officials, while the staff is really doing.

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All the work, all the leg work you know it's us that gives that final approval.

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And gives direction to the general assembly and why mako is so credible. Another reason is this:.

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Man right next to me, we are so lucky to have this leader, who keeps it all organized and leads this.

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Amazing organization, it is just a real honor to be able to serve with you this year, michael.

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And continuing to learn how to get things done in a very non-partisan way, something I know the.

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Legislative committee understands um and that we recognize how the legislation is affecting our.

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Counties and not necessarily making decisions on what our personal beliefs or politics are.

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And that you know that's a hard thing to do and I think it's the number one thing that I'm going to.

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Take away after my 12 years, because I'm not doing this again and in my last year and I really wish.

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That the federal government and the state government could could see what we do. How.

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We communicate in those those sessions on wednesday morning and if they will look at.

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How mako gets things done, then? Maybe the other levels of government might be able to do so.

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As well um and you've already started the dialogue and some of one of the things that I'm saying as.

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We go around to these county tours is wanting this to be more of a dialogue, not just a presentation.

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From us to you, making sure that you know after we give you this update that you're telling us.

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You know what we did well, what we you know what we can improve upon.

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um And make sure that we involve all of you. I mean we see steve all the time.

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um And most of the rest of the county, commissioners, I'm just asking you come.

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To the conferences and all right, it's a wonderful thing. I love you, but we want to make sure that.

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Everybody's involved, so you know, make sure that we're having you know having some a lot of.

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Good questions and answers, and obviously reaching out you know that mako is always successful. All.

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The times of the year and don't just rely just on your legislative committee member, but all of you.

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So I do want to hit on the first topic before I let you know michael take over the rest.

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And I know this one is very special in steve's heart and that is that emergency transport bill.

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And steve and I both sit on the initiative subcommittee, where we start with about 50.

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Different pieces of potential legislation and we have to whittle that down to no more than four as.

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Per mako's bylaws, it's always a hard decision, but in the eight years I think I've been doing.

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This on the committee, this was a tough one and it came down to cyber security or ems transport.

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And I think we knew that cyber security had legs of its own, that that was going to have sponsors.

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You know in annapolis anyway, and we knew that the only one who could carry the water on ems.

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Was the counties- and you know michael, was like I don't know about this, you know it's going to.

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Be a tough one, it might take two or three years to to get this through. You know it's kind of a.

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Big fiscal note on this one, um but I know that steve and I really pushed along with a couple of.

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The others this this was the right place for it to be, and we won. We got this one done um so I'll. Tell.

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You a little bit of so for the listening public. What this! What this does up until the bill passed.

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Currently, we only got reimbursed or for in our ems for our ambulances, a hundred dollars per trip.

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And only if we transported to an emergency room, we didn't get reimbursed. If you treated.

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The person on site- and they didn't require transport. We didn't get reimbursed if you went.

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To an urgent care center or to a doctor's office or some other appropriate facility.

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And we didn't get reimbursed if well one thing we added to this bill was mobile, integrated.

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Health, we lovingly call them our frequent flyers, people that call 9-1-1 a lot and we go when we go.

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Out, but if we have some down time going out and visiting these folks, you know at home to make.

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Sure and check on them that they're, okay, so that might eliminate um or cut down on some of those.

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um Those calls those emergency calls, and so what this accomplished was we are going to 150.

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um For reimbursement, you know we would like it to get up to the 300 that we initially.

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Asked for but this is a good start in the right direction and it will reimburse for.

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All of those things it will also enable us, while this is not an insurance issue having medicare.

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Medicaid recognize that being reimbursed for these other types of transport or treating on site.

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It also enables us if someone does have insurance. Of course, we're always going to treat no matter.

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What you know we're oh we're going whether or not someone's got coverage or not, but for those that.

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Do we're able to now bill? You know the insurance company, because it's recognized now by the state.

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So I just you know I want to I want to thank you um all for your support and especially steve for.

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For testifying on this on this bill, um it was huge to have that testimony coming from.

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The elected officials and what so that the state legislators really understand what it.

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Is we're facing with our emergency services department, so we had a great session. uh We.

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Got a lot of things through like that, um we killed some bills that really needed to.

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Die- and we got a lot of amendments on things that needed change and they recognized that.

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So from here I'm gonna, let michael take over this song and dance that I started and uh well. Thank.

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You very much, uh mr president and commissioners, I'm michael sanderson, the director of the maryland.

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Association of counties uh flattered by your opening comments and and very pleased to be with.

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You this morning for the the teaming millions who are viewing this morning, the maryland association.

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Of counties is a non-profit that represents all the elected officials across county governments.

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Across the state, including baltimore city and the 23 jurisdictions, so county commissioners, council.

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Members and executives across the state we do a lot of education and information and conferences.

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And support for the county, commissioners and county governing bodies across the state.

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At the moment, we're just a few weeks past the end of the general assembly's legislative session.

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One of mako's functions is to advocate and support county services before the state legislature, so.

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That's a good deal of what we're speaking about today, we're sort of in that window of time.

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Where the state has just done its best and uh counties are in the midst of preparing budgets.

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And so forth, through through an annual cycle, and the time is right to sort of talk about. What's.

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Happened on policy, but mako has a footprint that's a little bit bigger than public policy um I'll.

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Speak to a couple of things, we've distributed a packet to you all. I don't plan to go through that.

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In any detail, but all that information are excerpts from the the conduit street blog.

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That's on the mako website: that's a resource both for county officials but also for uh the general.

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Public who's interested in policy and county government matters so I'll speak to just a.

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Few things and try and be respectful of your time, but it was a blur of a legislative session. Health.

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Effects still played a little bit of a role with the legislature doing a fair amount of its work.

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Remotely, rather than face to face for a good deal of their public hearings, they were remote sessions.

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That was probably a big impediment for some players in annapolis, less so for mako, because we.

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Have relationships with the senators and delegates already we didn't have to introduce ourselves via.

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Email to say, can we please ask for your help on an amendment or that sort of thing we have.

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Relationships with virtually everybody in town, we work with we work with across the aisle and with.

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Everybody in town this was a peculiar year in a number of ways financially among them. I've sat in.

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At this table a number of times before you talking about well, here's how we got through a tricky.

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Budget year in annapolis and we serve yeah, we tried to fend off a budget cut or a cost shift or.

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Things of that nature- and you know sometimes we win. Sometimes we lose on those sort of battles.

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This is a weird circumstance and I know counties are in the midst of it too. uh In part, the the.

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Federal response to this health pandemic has been to try and avert an economic catastrophe that.

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Would mirror the public health catastrophe that we have faced and, as a result, we're in a weird spot.

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um You mentioned unemployment numbers uh surprisingly low right like well under four.

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Percent here in carroll, around four percent for the state of maryland under five percent.

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For the united states, uh that's usually the indicator of a strong and healthy economy.

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Public sector revenues are relatively strong right now, whether that's a function of the federal.

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Government helping out businesses through grants and through people getting stimulus, payments and.

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Deferrals of student loans and so forth I mean that helps people buy meals and shoes and things.

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Like that that generate degenerate public revenues, I don't think we really know whether the the.

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The the relative surplus on the public ledger is temporary or permanent, uh but it left us in.

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A circumstance this budget year, where the state was not looking to slash budgets and looking to.

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Shift costs onto counties and so forth. So a little bit of a reprieve from that and some.

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Opportunities to fill in some gaps, which I think we we availed ourselves of reasonably.

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Madam president, spoke about cyber security, we're going to see some new resources and guidance and.

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Assistance on cyber security, in part because of the budget in part because of legislation.

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We know the public sector is just a delicious target for people who want to do us ill. That.

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We hold sensitive information about taxpayers and health records and things like that and if.

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They can seize it and hold it hostage and ask for bitcoin. That's a great business for them to be in.

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So it suits us to have strong, defenses and good recovery plans in the event that those sort of.

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Things happen and, sadly, they're going to continue to happen. So if I can just inject, um I believe the.

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Solution is uh it's like all the above legislation funding, but also academia and business cooperation.

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I was on a panel discussion, so I was at a panel discussion and very reputable business leaders.

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uh Talked about their in the cyber community and talked about what kept them up at night.

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And three out of the four said: local government- that's amazing! I mean we're talking um very, very.

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Large corporations, three out of four said local government because of the vulnerabilities and our.

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Dependence on one or two individuals and we're not resourced, so it really does come down to.

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A partnership on the legislation which uh you know was done in some respect, but also the academia and.

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Business community to getting it right, um we are very, very vulnerable, especially at this level, so.

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Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head um and and those you know, the advisors who.

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Are part of that that conversation, I think, are reading the room correctly, that we are.

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Sadly, local governments are particularly situated as just great targets for folks who want to do us.

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So we've got to be smart about it, and um this is not my area of expertise, but I know enough to know.

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That the thinking about it doesn't start with just playing defense like you want to have good systems.

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And make sure that you're applying patches and that you have good leadership from folks like mark.

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Ripper in the county governments as your directors of I.t, to make sure you know lots of people moving.

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And working remotely has created its own extra vulnerability, everybody using their own devices.

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It keeps people like mark up night as well, so it's you take care of it on the front end, but.

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You also need to have a good plan on the back end, so a combination of the state department of.

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uh Department of I.t, but also the maryland department of emergency management.

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Treating these incidents in the kind of the same way as a tornado touchdown is the right mentality.

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When something happens, you mobilize across units across governments, get everybody on it quickly.

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That we haven't always had that mentality. I think maryland is doing more than the right direction.

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That way, we're you know after this we're going to be listening, and I see the sheriff behind us.

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About body-worn cameras how to become proactive in situations not just for you know it's for both.

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Sides: it's not protecting those that they're. You know trying to de-escalate a situation, but also.

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For them themselves, so with cyber security at the local level, what we have to address is how to be.

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Proactive at the lowest level- and that is very concerning so just just throwing out there to.

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To think about, but okay, so I I will, if I, if I may, mr president I'll I'll, make a quick departure from.

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From things I plan to speak about, and let me give you about 90 seconds on body cameras in the from.

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Annapolis point of view, um because there's there's unfinished business on maryland policy regarding.

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Body cameras, um the state has already said uh it's gonna be law. As of I think it's the first of 2025.

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We want to have every officer in every agency equipped with a camera and um I think, on balance.

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This is a good policy. You said it exactly right. This has this mutually serves accountability,.

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For officers it protects the public. I think it protects the agency as well that when your officer.

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Has followed protocols and done the right thing when you can demonstrate that that reduces your.

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Liability for what becomes a claim or a lawsuit or whatever, so I think I think we're going to be.

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In a better place, once we have everybody with the campaign that said we have maryland, has.

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Laws on the books about open, open government public documents, the public information act.

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Has basically been written decades ago, around pieces of paper sitting in manila, folders.

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Someone comes to a desk. I want a copy. Please I'd like to see that public document you run a copy.

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Here's three pages here you go, that's the way the public information act is basically written.

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Assuming that's how things work 20 years ago, we had to rethink public information because a lot.

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Of the information is now a database. Oh it's on a it's on a diskette or a thumb drive, and it has.

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65 000 entries. Okay, how do you share that in what format blah blah blah? The next tier is store data.

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From body cameras that is itself effectively a document, even if it's eight hours of footage.

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From each officer for each shift for the last 90 days, it's sitting on a server or in storage.

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In some fashion, that is effectively a public document and as the laws read right now, anyone.

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Can walk in the door and more or less say I want it all. I want to see all of it well on the hours.

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Of footage from a body camera there are bound to be interviews with witnesses. Children's victims.

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Confidential informants, the all sorts of things where I mean sometimes governments get a bad.

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Reputation because folks, like tim, have to magic marker out, you know sensitive detail.

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On on that sort of thing, that's what you have to do. You share a document, but you don't release.

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The health records about an individual, so you you redact doing that frame by frame on video.

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Is super costly and difficult? We need to thread the needle more wisely than we have yet on what.

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Do we owe the public to share with them for free um public exposure of what's happening is fair.

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But the idea of hey, I run a website and I want to put some prairie and stuff on my website that.

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People will get a kick out of. That is not the way public access information auto work, so we need to.

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Get that right, we've got a little time before everybody has these cameras, but that's a that's.

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One component of what's ahead for maryland on public records like that, so I appreciate it thanks.

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um So so, with that I'll I'll speak to just a a couple, other things on on fiscal issues writ large.

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um I'll say one thing in particular: that is a payoff for a lot of work by our local governments.

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We're in annapolis all the time saying a variation on the theme and that theme being we think local.

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Decision making is best for each community that the commissioners here in carroll probably have.

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A better idea how to tailor a program in carroll and then the garrett county commissioners may have.

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A different idea of what they want to do there and in talbot county. The council have a different idea.

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What they want to do there, we'd rather not have annapolis, say one size fits all. Do it all this way.

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And we have some pushes and polls and policy debates like that. That's all very fair.

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um When it comes to tax policy, we have generally tried to say when it comes to things like the.

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Local property tax- let that be the local decision makers, don't mandate that we do things give it.

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Make it a local option if we want to do something for seniors or for veterans or for other classes,.

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Of citizens, you can give a tax break with as a local option rather than state mandating. It.

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This year, a good deal of debate showed up about what the state might be able to do with tax relief.

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On the income tax side and the standard variation of tax break on the income, tax side is just a.

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Write-Off, a subtraction modification is the term of our at the state, and so, if you write off things.

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On your state taxes that has a carryover effect on every county, if this thousand dollars is no longer.

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Taxable, not only is it not taxed by the state, it's not taxed by the county, effectively they've made.

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Your decision for you for years, mako has said we think the fairer way to go is leave these.

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Things as a local option and if the counties want to add on if you've got an opportunity.

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To do something temporarily or permanently make it a local call, that's what they did this year.

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They wanted to move the needle. The governor was very interested in senior tax relief for retirees.

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And the state said we want to give a thousand dollar tax benefit the way they decided to do it.

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This year was as a one thousand dollar tax credit against your state taxes, so that leaves the county.

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It's up to you if you want to provide some relief for one class or another, if your budget affords.

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That um we know you've got obligations with school funding. That's driven by state mandates, you've.

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Got a variety of other needs at the local level. That should be your call if you want to piggyback.

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On top of those benefits, you can make that as a local decision. We think that's the right way to go.

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That is never going to be above the fold. A1 bold type like that's, not sexy news out of annapolis.

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But for county governments running your own, you know running your own budgets and making your.

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Own decisions- that's a really big deliverable. um We could have been on the hook for hundreds of.

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Millions of dollars of just along for the ride tax cuts; instead, you get to make that call, and I think.

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That's the right way for that to go. um I just want to just jump on that and just say: we've I've been.

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Sitting on the budget and tax committee for for uh six years- and this is one that comes through.

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Sub mods, you know it's every every week there are six or eight different subtraction modifications.

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And for the last half a dozen years we've been sending this letter and it's like, is it ever.

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Going to pay off is it, is it ever going to pay off and, and it did, and I, when we had our last.

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Session, it was the night of our reception and we did an in-person meeting for our last legislative.

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Committee meeting and senate president ferguson came in and he spoke to three things that he was.

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Really paying attention, one was the ms bill, one was the highway user revenues and the other was.

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State tax credits, it was like, oh my gosh, you know and that's and that's what happened but.

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That's what I'm saying it's: it's not the above, the full like michael said, but it is so huge for.

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Us- and that goes back to what I said about you know whether you're republican or democrat yeah.

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One side might think I want all these all these. You know tax relief and things like that and.

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The other side is like no, no tax, more, that's where mako comes in and that the people that are sitting.

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There and we're making that decision is how does it affect our county? You know: we've got to fund.

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The schools we've got to fund public safety with all these other things to fund, and while I might.

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Personally think I love tax relief. I know I got to pay the bills, as do you, so I just wanted to.

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Put an exclamation point on what he just told you about that, because that it's just that is huge.

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This year, and hopefully we'll carry that forward, you know be a new crop of local act is a new crop.

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Of state delegates and senators and we need to make sure they still understand that next year.

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So I'll speak to one more issue for for a couple of minutes, because we we we moved in.

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The right direction on a long-standing issue: this is highway user revenues that which is the share.

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Of state gas taxes and vehicle taxes that get sent back to local governments to maintain roads.

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This is this is a dozen years or so in the making in the great recession in the summer of 2009, the.

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State basically said: we've got a problem, it's only august of a new fiscal year. We've already got.

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A crisis they grabbed almost all of our highway user revenues and we've been limping our way back.

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Since then, the share the annual share of that money that comes to carroll county.

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Independent of your municipalities about 2.7 million dollars and if we didn't pass a bill.

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This year we were going to fall off a cliff that was going to drop to under two probably a million.

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Six million eight or something around something in that neighborhood, so we needed to do something.

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This year we put in a bill to fully restore that county share and get back to where we ought to be.

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What we ended up with was a bill with a multiple year upswing: it's not a full restoration, but it.

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Moves us in the right direction, pretty good thing you sometimes you have to take half a.

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Loaf, I don't know exactly where you count this in fractions of loaves, but um the 2.7 to carroll is.

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Going to grow up to probably around 4.4 over the next three years, so the coming year will be about.

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The same we'll click up for for three years in a row then we'll fall off a cliff again, but not.

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Even all the way back to where we are today so we're moving in the right direction. uh This isn't.

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A this isn't a touchdown, but it's a solid like 15-yard pass. First down keep moving drive goes on.

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Which I don't love, I would love to be spiking the football at this point, but we take what.

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We can get it took a lot of bipartisan help. It took a lot of participation by county officials.

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We had almost every jurisdiction participating in person and online at these public hearings.

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And making the case, those hearings could not have gone any better and, to be honest, the difference.

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Between the in-person hearing in the senate and the virtual hearing in the house, I think made.

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The difference between the house felt like well, we can, we can give you a nickel on the dollar.

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And the senate was like: we have to do better than that. We heard what they said.

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You could feel the energy in the room they they moved us up to. First, I know you were you were.

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There and again over 20 jurisdictions, all the big county executives being there sitting. There was.

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Just so powerful you could feel that that's, that is the difference between being in person and and.

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Virtual- and I remember that you know the next day doing it again, virtually in the house and like and.

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I was talking to some of the staff and, like it was great, it was great, I'm like, oh, no it just it just.

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Felt different so he's absolutely right. Yeah. I can tell you that I've never seen a bipartisan effort.

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Like that, in my eight years, you know when I've got brandon, scott and and jonio sitting on this side.

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And angela also brooks sitting on this side and laura you're. On the other side, I mean how could.

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They not have said we have to do something. That's the true meaning of of making uh a difference down.

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There and that that was an that was a day that I was honored to be there. It was. It was remarkable.

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Well, we we end every session spike, the football.

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So you know but but we appreciate what you did, I mean you know what the efforts got us.

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We'll take what we can get at this point. That's that that's where we are and and we've got a lot.

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Of folks to thank- and we still have work to be done- so that's that's okay to be in that.

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Spot um I'll I'll mention one other issue pretty briefly, because I know it's on the docket for you.

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And most of the county governing bodies, police reform efforts from 2021. They had an opportunity.

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To do a little nip and tuck on that bill, this past session it didn't go deep, it didn't solve.

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Some of the technical issues we're left in an awfully quirky spot. I know you all have a proposal.

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For the accountability board and charging committee to put those in place and get them.

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Up and running by july, one even without in all candor. What was supposed to be the rules of the.

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Road set forth by state regulations, the the game plan was state, regs were going to be floated in.

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Say december or january approved by about now so we'd all know the details and that hasn't happened.

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For reasons that I think are understandable and reasonable, it's left counties in a tough spot.

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I can't give you a legal judgment on this, but my lay judgment is most of the counties are doing.

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Exactly what you are make a good faith effort to put these bodies together establish what you can.

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We'll staff them up and get the gears turning as soon as we possibly can. If the state gives us a.

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Wrench in the works on july 18th, or something like that, if we have to nip and tuck our own.

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Thing we'll do that, but I think everybody can live with the framework that the state has in mind for.

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Civilian driven oversight of police conduct and some process, that's going to act similar to the.

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Old law enforcement officers bill of rights, but provide adjudication when there are when.

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There are claims against officers both internal and external, so I don't want to get super deep.

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Into into what's in that bill, but every county is going through what you are we're not in an.

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Ideal circumstance appreciate you all making the best of a tough one. From my perspective,.

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Every jurisdiction, as we know, is very different. We have eight municipalities.

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Most of them have law enforcement associated with them uh partnering, with our sheriff.

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And the mml and them coming up with a solution um to have in place, I think, is a good thing.

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To ensure that they are also a part of that solution, they be in the jurisdictions, the biggest.

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Concern that I have is, I want to ensure that um we do not focus our attention. On the you know, the.

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Diversity of the population, where we're actually out diversifying what really matters so in other.

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Words do not identify; I want this type and this type and that type no, let's bring them all forward.

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Let the you know, board of commissioners, make the decisions appropriately like we do with every.

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Boarding commission and then we at that point will have a good mix that represents carroll.

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County as opposed to being so procedural on it's this one or that one, and uh at least that's.

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That's my perspective and I think we have that responsibility to do that. So all well said I think.

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So uh with that um I'll I'll close and and say, there's there's more stuff in the packet.

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And there's a great deal more. That happened this legislative session. We did a little infographic.

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For you about about the breadth of different things that mako gets involved in I'll close with.

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We we try and run a tally on success rate of the bills that we get involved in, and that is a.

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Genuine genuinely misleading number, but I I mean 80 success. I don't I don't like getting b minuses.

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But I will tell you that when mako supports a bill in annapolis, it has a good deal better chance to.

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Pass than a random bill and when mako comes to the table and either opposes or says this bill.

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Needs to be fixed in specific ways. The likelihood of that bill, passing just over our objections and.

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We get ignored is very remote. We come away out of each session with at a max two or three bills.

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Where we just couldn't get stuff done for the most part we come to the table, we work things out. We.

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Round off the smooth, you know we smooth off those rough edges and we get things done in annapolis.

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We want to be effective on your behalf, because at its best, this is a partnership, a lot of things.

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That the legislators care about are delivered at the local level, and so we bring that to the table.

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In addition to we support the bill, we oppose the bill, we're going to implement this bill and we'll.

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Let us you know, walk you through what we need to do so with that. If there's anything we didn't get.

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To happy to respond to your questions, but grateful for your time today, I really appreciate the.

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Conferences as well, because I know the effort well, no, I don't know I can sympathize with.

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The effort that goes into those conferences and your team and the legwork uh both for the summer.

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And winter conference having the ability to rally around the administration and have those.

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Those discussions are so valuable and it doesn't stop at the conference. It goes throughout the year.

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But we have accomplished so much because we get into the discussion with secretary.

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Ellington or you know uh you know, with hcd or with uh obviously second case later now, no he's gone.

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Yeah, it was secretary slayer, but uh you know you get to just end um continue those I mean.

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It was challenging times in the last one because of uh kovit, but it didn't stop.

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And I really appreciated that because we got a lot out of that. So.

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I said I've always been a big supporter of mako coming from a council position in the.

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City of westminster with the mml they're moving here, it's just you guys do so much for us. You.

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Really do and then we go to the conference. Like uh commissioner russian just mentioned.

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All the the networking we have, the people we can meet and talk to take back phone numbers, go back.

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And forth, but I also have to say the last two years I've been on the legislative committee.

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Even though I only got to go to annapolis one time but anyway been on two years, it's so much more.

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Is done here that this your staff does tremendous work in preparing those bills and telling us what.

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They're about and little synopsis and so forth, it's it's it's eye-opening. It really is, and I.

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Really appreciate everything that's done here for the benefit of the counties and like, what's.

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Already mentioned it's not for the democratic counties, the republic, it's for the counties.

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And that means so much and people I just wish more people could have get a first-hand. You know view.

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Of what happens because so much happens and, like you said mega, is a big mover down here.

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And and I've, I love the support with amendments. I love that because you have influence on on a bill.

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That we think is probably going to pass anyway, but let's try to you know, move it a little bit.

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To what we think will be much better, so thank you for everything you've done and I'm at the.

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End of my eight years, but thank you. I really, I really do appreciate it and I mean it. Thank you.

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You know eight years ago I was a little skeptical of mako.

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Today, I'm sold what happens and what you guys do throughout the year is great, but.

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We go to a conference, we get more done in three days there than we do with six months.

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Here and uh it's all due to mako and what you put together, my sincere thanks to you for what you do.

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You're welcome and the the rest of the year. It's like you know we come in here. You know. Do these.

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Updates, of course I get to do this for one year. He does it every year and we talk about all the.

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Policy and the bills and things like that. But what you just said about the networking and getting.

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Things done amongst ourselves, but mako and their staff. That's what they do the rest of the year and.

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You talk about what did we get done legislatively? What I want to say is what they get done without.

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Legislation through the conversations through the relationships that they have with the senators.

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And delegates before maybe the something ever even gets introduced or you know something gets.

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Goes away, you know, doesn't even go through the whole bill hearing process because of.

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The relationships- and that is what all of this is about, is networking and I may think completely.

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Different than you know a montgomery county friend of mine, but because we have a relationship because.

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We respect one another, you know we're going to listen to each other and that's how we come to.

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Compromise and that's what I was saying at the top of this presentation is: I wish that other levels.

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Of government would would do that and I think we set a great example. So I'm glad you recognized all.

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Of that- and we even listened to steve from what he comes back with, he does he's done a great job.

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Sometimes, but he needs to be appreciated for that. You know I just want to say: uh we've known each.

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Other a long time when I was in uniform- and it's just you know so- I've changed roles from the.

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Installation I mean that was 2010 2011 to economic development. To this um and each part of it has a.

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Role to play with mako and that's what we got to continue to promote is that it's not just the 24.

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Leadership, but it's it's really all-encompassing, because this you know, has a focus on our sheriff's.

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Department on our all the men and women in blue uh dealing with all men and women in red, you know.

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In establishing the right legislation, it's it's it's important that we really try to continue to.

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Embrace that so, but again kudos but steve. It's already been said uh again. You guys know how.

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I and we feel about the efforts uh that you make to ensure that all of us, from garrett to wooster.

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uh Know what's going on and we do that and and we we know that and it's because of you so uh again.

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To your staff, uh make sure you you send our thanks to them uh with the with the reimbursement bill.

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I got a frantic call from from a guy by the name of kevin canale at about five o'clock on and.

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One evening and said steve help help here you got to make a phone call, so we did.

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uh And you know the other thing that is remarkable to me is I've, seen staff come and go at mako over.

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The last eight years- and it never ceases to amaze me that you find folks that hit the ground running.

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To replace those that left and honestly you you do that, and I don't know where you find.

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These people or what they're doing but but you you do a tremendous job of just replacing and.

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And and off they go and that's huge too, because you develop some relationships with some of the.

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Staff and then you know they they're moving on, but yet you remember them. You see them because.

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They're in other roles- and they show up at at uh events- uh and we like that too- to see them. But.

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You you replace, you know, dom is a perfect example. I mean you would think dom had been there for.

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12 years- and you know, he's new he's the new guy, along with the other folks that that are there so.

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I just don't want to pick him out of the crowd, but all of them do a remarkable job and laura.

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To you, uh you know, I've watched the president's come and go. um Wilbur was amazing. I mean what.

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Do you say about wilbur, you know he's you know it. It's it's wilbur, uh but to you.

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Congratulations for a very successful year. You've done a remarkable job. I know it's not over yet.

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uh But um you've done an amazing job: uh you're you're, a great leader and uh talbot county's.

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Gonna be sorry to see you go because I know you've made a huge difference down there.

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So godspeed to you and whatever I'm going to see you between now and when you go a couple times. But.

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uh Let god speed to you uh and whatev wherever life takes you to so I think these friendships.

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They last forever. I mean these. I know it's gonna, be like a big breakup and six months like oh, my.

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God, what am I gonna do um because I do. I love this organization and I think the people that really.

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um Get involved and and understand what it's all about, and they just they just fall in love with.

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It and then the relation again the relationships and the friendships you know are gonna, go on way.

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Beyond our term of office, and that's really really special I'd love to see those folks come back at.

B

The conferences you know, john john barr comes walking back in hey, hey steve, you know it's just.

B

Yeah he's really you're right. These relationships are are remarkable, so thank you guys very much.

B

So if, if I could just if I could do one quick reflective comment, I'm very grateful for the nice.

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Things said about the association and our work and events and so forth, but um I'm a father of.

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School-Age kids and I'm gonna say the same thing to you that I say to my daughters, and that is.

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You're gonna get out of it. What you put into it, I can send you to a lovely school, but you need.

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To engage and and max out your time there and that's going to take coaching and teaching and.

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Involvement and so forth, so I mean the leadership of maryland's, of mako's affiliate structure.

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Is just completely littered with carroll county leaders? I know we like to joke about. Commissioner.

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Lance but in addition to being on in, in addition being on our board, he also serves on a committee.

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That guides the academy through the university of maryland, uh that guides some of the the most.

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Essential content for our conferences and events and so forth, like making sure we get good training.

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Opportunities for the next wave of elected leaders is an important duty of ours and having.

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Folks, who have been through it and see the value in it, help guide what's coming next.

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We're going to have to replace him soon in that role. We appreciate the time and effort, but when.

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You say you get a ton out of those three days at the summer conference. That's because you're.

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Maxing it out and people keep coming back all those secretaries need to be there, because it's.

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Worth their time too, so it it builds on itself, and I love nothing better than all of that. Coming.

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Together, so thank you all for the kind words absolutely why don't we uh get together get a a.

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Happy snap and uh guys be on your way: don't forget the shameless plug about summer conference now.

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All right right here without it, mr burke, right here.

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Let's move on to uh some body, worn cameras and then car cameras, body, worn and in car cameras.

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So we so we got a, we got a thorn between two roses. I'm sorry! What did you say? That's where.

L

We make fun of steve lance because I'm right with that guy I've never met him before so.

L

So uh I haven't known I, I gotta take this phone call.

G

If you'll recall last spring, the carroll county sheriff's office applied for a congressional.

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Earmark to fund the equipment associated with the body, worn camera and in-car camera program here in.

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The county the sheriff's office was awarded that earmark in full and it will be awarded through.

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The burn justice assistance program this year mark will, as I said, purchase body-worn cameras, in-car.

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Cameras and then, of course, video storage and any other related equipment to launch this program.

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The total earmark awarded was 1 million 429 000. There is no required match for the equipment.

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Associated with this grant now I'll turn it over to sheriff deuce and his staff to answer any.

G

Questions that you might have yeah, I mean it's pretty self-explanatory. We've spoken about this.

L

um Quite often, and we did a presentation on body, worn cameras and I think there was.

L

Some hope that the state would come off with some money in order to purchase this and and smartly.

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We we collectively decided we would apply for this earmark um through congressman raskin's office and.

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And we're fortunate enough to get it, and so this will pay for everything hardware wise for the.

L

Next five years, in-car body, worn storage- and if you remember we, we spoke about how logistically.

L

To set up a unit like this, and and so um this is not an easy task, it's going to take us some time.

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Once the award is actually in our hands and we can start processing and procuring equipment, hiring.

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Personnel setting up offices those sort of things it's going to take it's going to take a while to.

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Do but I think, with this grant, it's going to be done right, we're talking about in-car cameras.

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And body cameras we're talking about a total system that will capture everything it needs.

L

To capture- and I sent the five commissioners and some other elected officials- a a uh incident that.

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Took place last week on body, worn camera and and explained to you that the the decisions you make.

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Are so important when it comes to saving lives, and this woman's life was saved based on a taser, but.

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But you were able to see it on a body-worn camera and so having this equipment is extremely vitally.

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Important to us so moving into what mako had to say, there's a lot of discussion about storage and.

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And how that evidence is is uh moved over to the state's attorney's office.

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Whether it's moved out to the public in general and how it's processed and there's an awful lot.

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Of work that needs to be done in order to get this up and running, but this is a major piece to the.

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Project, what does this mean for video storage? What is it, what do we actually get for that or.

D

You do so you get all you get so no it I mean this is a total package of storage for five years for.

L

All the cameras that we're going to implement in car and body worn, and so after the five years as.

L

We get closer to the end of this contract. We certainly have to discuss um renewing it and.

L

And modifying it, but this is a total package for storage and our ability and it's a vault.

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System that we are working through so basically it includes storage. The user licenses warranty.

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Support all the equipment that goes in the cars accessories that go with the body-worn cameras.

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And the support installation so there's a lot of work to do all of the in-car.

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Cameras need to be installed into the cars. It includes the the cost for that as well. So.

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Going back to the last several years, commissioners, when you've all talked about looking at well, what.

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Can we do, and especially commissioner osteen, you know multiple years, so my brain immediately went.

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To well, can we lock them in for five years for everything and that's what this does.

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Also it locks in, as you all know, prices escalate every day. It seems like something costs more.

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Technology certainly goes through the roof, so this also gives us refreshes for hardware.

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As part of that, so we stay up to date. So all that is very important and you try and look at all.

K

Those benefits, there's there's a lot of benefits, short term and long term. In addition to providing.

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All the cameras that one we're going to be required, but also, I think now it's just something.

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That all of the deputies are looking forward to, and we just talked about this outside that we.

L

Don't there's a 2025 mandate, we think we'll be a little bit ahead of the curve on the 2025 mandate.

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Maybe by a year, but if we didn't act now, we'd have been behind the eight ball, just by merely saying.

L

You've got money and putting it in the budget for the 2025 year and then starting that year.

L

We would have been behind significantly trying to implement the entire program. Just one question.

E

When you store data, do you have to store the whole eight hours? Everything and the other thing.

L

Is is that, for example, I could have four or five deputies show up the video I showed you last week.

L

Right, um there's multiple multiple deputies and officers on that scene now by 2025 every one.

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Of them will have a camera, and so the glory of this is that it will synchronize all that data.

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Into one uh piece of footage that we can then sift through right, the the the issue is is that.

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Once that that that data leaves our office, for example, when it goes to state attorney's office,.

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As part of a discovery process before they release that video to a defense attorney for discovery.

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Somebody in alan culver's office has to watch every second of that footage before they send it.

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To a defense, attorney or or counsel so there's a lot of processing when it comes to that many.

L

People showing up in a scene and that much data being transferred from one location to another. But.

L

The synchronization of the data is extremely important as well. I mean you have to keep.

E

A card video of snow in a snowstorm for three hours- I mean it's all based on when we turn it on.

L

So there's will be policy on when the camera comes on. So it's not constantly running on a 12-hour.

L

Shift that would it would wear the batteries out and the system that we're buying um the reason we.

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Like the in-car camera system and the body worn in conjunction is because, when we're standing at.

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The window of a car speaking with a driver, the the in-car camera system, is capturing 20-30 yards of.

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Data that maybe not seen by that actual body-worn camera footage and so um but but all that data.

L

uh Stored and dealt with is just an incredible amount of video um just to keep perspective. This.

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Is specifically about accepting the award from the federal not about what contract we're going.

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To enter into whatever, eventually that's right, we just got to go through a procurement right here.

L

So just one I don't want anyone to think that that we're not following proper procurement, absolutely.

M

We'll come back for in that case, I move the board. Accounting commission accept the congressional.

D

I have an unrelated question just related because of the video that you share. How far does the taser.

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Shoot accurately, um obviously the closer you are, the better it is, but we have cartridges believe it.

L

Or not that will dictate the distance, so um 10 10 feet to 30 feet depending on the cartridges.

L

That we put in now, if we're right up on someone close contact, that that doesn't really create the.

L

The I guess, the the shock that we're looking for so that 10 foot and the video you saw yesterday.

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Was probably about 10 feet puts the deputy in a lot of danger. If someone turns around.

L

But um but they did such a marvelous job with being able to distract and then be able to sneak.

L

Up and and and use the taser and disengage that I mean one one last thing for commissioner wayne.

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Can you demonstrate, I mean I did eric and he's out, so I don't know if that's that's one thing.

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Focusing on this, we've got new guns coming at some point in the future, I'll ask steve about them all.

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In favor, thank you. Thank you. We'll update you as time goes by with uh with how this program is.

L

Working okay! So, mr burke, what do you want to talk about good morning? Commissioners, uh we're here to.

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Talk about a the resolution that would create a police accountability board and a charging.

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Committee you'll recall: we had a public hearing two weeks over two weeks ago. It all stems from the.

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2021 state law that was adopted, which repealed the law enforcement officer's bill of rights.

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And required counties to adopt a new regime for police for adjudicating police misconduct cases.

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And the first aspect of it is you'll need to appoint a five-person board called the police.

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Accountability board they're all appointed by the county commissioners, including you, select the.

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Chairperson from those five two of those members are going to come from a list submitted by the.

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Maryland municipal league and they are going to meet quarterly with the local police chiefs.

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And discuss ways to improve community policing and they'll actually receive the complaints.

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Of police misconduct and forward them to the local law enforcement agency- that's impacted.

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The second is the uh administrative charging committee and you're going to appoint two members.

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Of those two citizens to that board and they are going to actually review the internal affairs.

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Reports coming from the sheriff's office or the local police department regarding a complaint of.

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Misconduct and they're going to determine whether administrative charges would be appropriate.

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And if they consider them to be appropriate, they would convene a hearing. The officer could.

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Be represented officer gets to present his or her case, and they will come up with a recommendation.

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To the local police, chief or the sheriff as to discipline, if that's warranted and then.

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The police officer then, has a right to ask for a police trial board which is sort of a last appeal.

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A police trial board would be convened by the local police department, of which the officer is.

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A member and there's also a member appointed by the county commissioners, who has to be a retired.

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Judge or a sitting judge who is willing to sit on on those police trial boards.

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Which could be a pretty heavy lift, but that's what's required under the state law.

J

At the public hearing uh there was some discussion about the the membership of the board and the.

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Background of the proposed board members, as is currently written, the resolution says that.

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No members of either of these boards, the the charging board or the police accountability board.

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Can have a charge pending or have been convicted of a crime uh punishable by imprisonment exceeding.

J

One year uh I went back looked at the law, that's not required by the state law. That's.

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Required by the resolution, so it's not it's not a mandate of state law. It's up to the board to.

J

Decide whether they want to include it or not, a lot of the other counties have it in their their.

J

Resolutions, so it's, but it's entirely up to the board. I mean we had uh the conversation. You know.

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Last time you were going one direction, I was going, I know the opposite and I still believe.

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We should not hamstring ourselves and have the ability for the board of county commissioners to.

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Select appropriately this group, I mean, uh if examples someone gets convicted and uh sends.

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For a year or two when they're 20 years old and they're now 55 and 60, and they could be a lawyer.

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I don't think you want any of those on the board. I don't think no, no, no okay, so they can't be.

A

A lawyer yeah, they could be somebody else. Yes, lawyers know, in that case, you're making my case.

B

So in that case there could be somebody upstanding. I know: okay um you're making my case. I just.

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I think that we should still have the ability to judge. I am completely against having anyone on.

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Any of these boards that has ever had a conviction at all, but we don't have that on the other boards.

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And commissions, do we: this is completely different. This is completely different. This is, first of all.

B

I I'm still not clear as to why we're doing this. Let me be clear. I I I'm having trouble with this.

B

I really am the whole thing establishing the board. Yes, so with that said, I'm challenged by every.

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uh Specific uh paragraph in in this- uh and I think we need to be incredibly mindful of.

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What we're saying here uh and, in my mind, to have somebody sitting on one of these boards, that is.

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Going to potentially have the ability to judge our folks in blue that may have been convicted is, is.

B

I can't even fathom that I I just can't, regardless of whether you've turned your life around and look.

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There are tons of opportunities for folks to turn their life around. I get that and there are a ton.

B

Of opportunities for those folks to serve on a lot of things in our community, but on this.

B

I have a problem with that. I j I just do and that's I uh that's where I am. I you're going.

B

To be judging people or have the potential to make significant decisions on the impact of the.

B

Careers of people that may have had an impact on your own life, because you did something.

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That you shouldn't have done, and that does not make sense to me. I I have a tendency to agree with.

E

You, commissioner, lance this is about a person's livelihood. This is uh they're really judging.

E

The outcome of what what's going to happen and this pers, the people on this board, have to have.

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Impeccable background, as far as I'm concerned, as far as never being convicted not having a.

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Run-In with law enforcement that that can be a bias right there and that sets up a perfect.

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A person on this sport sets up a perfect challenge to uh uh appeal any uh decision made by this board.

E

By the people serving on it, so I really don't see why we'd even question putting people on.

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This board that would be uh questionable to begin with. Yes, I believe people can turn around.

E

And there's plenty of opportunities for them to do other things in the county. But for messing or.

E

Messing with but dealing with people's livelihood here- and this is- I mean, we're really- I don't even.

E

See the value of having this other than we'll lose funding from the state? If we don't do it.

E

But I think it's handled right now in-house this is this whole law.

E

Does not pertain to carroll county as we have it and I I don't see the value of it, but we.

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Have to have it so I want the best people possible on this board. I think yeah go ahead.

D

Sorry um find an arbitrator and who gets on the board is the board of commissioners.

D

So I'm hoping that we have more than five people apply for the board right. So if there's.

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15 or 20 doubtful, but let's say we have seven or eight that apply for the board. Then the board of.

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Commissioners will decide who actually makes the board right now. I have to somewhat agree with.

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Mr uh rostein, here that if you've paid your due, you you've been convicted, you've been in prison or.

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Whatever, but it's over, you're you're you're done your your um parole and everything else. If you.

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Want to apply for the board, you should be able to apply for it now, in my opinion, if you're applying.

D

For the board- and you have that background and there's five other people that don't.

D

Okay, I'm probably not putting you on that board because, as the board of commissioners we're the.

D

Final arbitrator now I wouldn't- I won't be there, because I don't wanna well, maybe for the first one.

D

But I just think you should allow them to have the chance to apply, and then the board of.

D

Commissioners makes the decision; no did you think yeah? No, so I I I'm in agreeance with the two of.

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You, and I expect also commissioner appreciate this- does not represent carroll county and we.

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Don't necessarily want this to take. You know place, and I want to be very clear about that.

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uh But since we are directed to, we have to come up with the best solution, but.

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Yeah I I agree that this does not pertain to carroll county and I'm very confident in our.

A

Men and women in blue in the county doing the right things: the um it's not just the individual.

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That has been imprisoned and many years have gone by, but it's also siblings and loved ones.

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And others that could be skewed and prejudicial to you know the sheriff's department and men and.

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Women in blue, and so, if we're, if we're starting with one, then are we going to be looking at others.

A

And kind of like what commissioner fraser said is we have the ability to ask those questions.

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And you know, did you were you ever sensed and were you ever convicted, were you ever put into jail? Do.

A

You have a a loved one that was, and you know that would counter to you know a decision that.

A

I would say: yeah you're, probably not the right individual, for a board like this check out the.

A

Parks and recs, you know we shouldn't even get to that point. In my mind, you shouldn't even allow the.

B

Opportunity for that to occur, but you shouldn't leave that up to five individuals to say well.

B

We've got five, but the one now they were in prison. You know ten years ago for six months.

B

But we need them because we've only got four app. We only got four applicants and they're the fifth.

B

That doesn't make any sense to me at all. You should nip this.

B

And say if you have ever, you are not eligible for this period. I don't agree because they could.

B

The potential once again, my argument here is you're you're you're messing with the career.

B

Of of a person, but yet you've been part of that you've been a part of that and.

B

I don't care when it is or how long you've been reformed or whatever it just it. It speaks of.

B

Creating a level of challenge here that we shouldn't be putting on this board.

B

It just it does these this. This should be people that have impeccable.

B

Backgrounds and trust me we're going to have trouble finding folks for these boards. I know that.

B

But but there are a ton of people out there who have had clean impeccable lives.

B

That should be serving on this. That's not a person! uh Well, you know yeah. I did that, but yeah.

B

It did there's other opportunities for folks, and I'm not here speaking against those that are able.

B

To reform their lives, I that has nothing to do with this, because I mean good grief dennis you and.

B

I were at the at the candlelight vigil the other night and you know: we've been to places where the.

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Drug court and people have changed their lives and absolutely that's fantastic, and we provide that.

B

Opportunity in this county for that to occur- and I I say yes to that and and you know, go forth and do.

B

What what you can for your community and many of them are, but in this instance, when it's about the.

B

About serious issues- and that's the other thing, this isn't going to just be your fly by night.

B

Issues that occur here, these are gonna, be serious incidents when they get to this level.

B

And- and you want someone that could possibly be on there- that had a a problem. However, many years ago,.

B

I I'm I'm I I just can't. I can't see that I don't know again, I'm I'm going.

A

I understand you shouldn't even be able to apply at all.

A

Then, if we're going to go there, we got to take out again those that have loved ones.

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Or close friends or anyone else that have been skewed because of that because that's what happens.

A

You know I I want to take as much of the presidential peace out of it, but that's again.

A

Where the board of commissioners come in in the appointment yeah, I want to steer away from the.

B

Word prejudice because that's not what I'm saying here: no, not not prejudicial in the sense that.

A

What you're saying I mean, I'm not sure what a better word would be. Well, I don't know, but we're.

B

Kind of going down a lane here that I don't want to go down. No, no, but but it's not prejudiced.

A

In the in any sort of other context, but um maybe skewed okay I'll use that word unless yeah roberta.

A

What's another word I can use, I just you're referring to anti-police bias. I think yeah.

A

Okay, anti-police bias. That's good enough! Okay, can you go ahead? Do we do we know.

B

I guess we don't, because many of the other jurisdictions are in the.

B

Or the in the beginning stages or soon to be, I know anne arundel's already.

B

Put some folks on there started: do we know the jurisdictions, what the other jurisdictions have.

B

They you, you said they have this in there do we know or don't know, I can tell you charles county.

J

Has it calvert county has it? um I could look at the other ones as well. They allow folks that have.

B

Had a year or less of incarceration to be on there or something that they said absolutely nothing.

B

It comes to that that language that language is is in calvert and and charles connie's resolution.

J

Your favorite is in those counties. Okay. Yes, let me ask you on a military review board who sits on it.

E

Piers pierce yeah, it's it's a combination of peers and you know, leaders, officers and if they've been.

E

There before themselves, are they allowed to serve on that board. It's they're reviewed.

A

Before they can sit on that board yeah I mean and yeah it's just like any other panel.

E

Put yourself in the position, if you are before that board right who do you want on that board?.

E

You want your peers, you want people who probably think the way you would do and want things to be.

E

Done by the book absolutely, but that's why you have the ability to determine the panel just like.

A

A jury, you have the ability to determine the peers that are going before that. You know which, which.

B

Is the thing that scares me the most, but that's because I don't think you should. I don't think you.

B

Should even be presented with the possibility of choosing someone who's had that occur.

B

Why put that on a a commissioner just right out of the gate say if, if this occurred in your life.

B

You're not eligible, then you don't have to put commissioners whoever they are in the precarious.

B

Situation of oh boy, well, gosh this guy! Well, it's been 30 years ago! hmm Well, no yeah, but.

D

You're also making the assumption that if someone was convicted and spend up to a year in jail.

D

That they're going to be presidents against the police department or against the police.

D

Or corrections they could change, there's a chance, but there's also, if you look at the.

D

People that we see go through drug court and all they're very grateful to judge.

D

Hecker and everybody that's worked with them and then they're they're advocates.

B

You can have the same same thing happen here. If you go through the go through I mean I don't know.

C

I've never been in prison, but if I turn my life around and I might be thankful for the people.

D

That got me to turn my life around. Why is it different? I don't know because you're making.

B

You could you have the potential to make a serious decision about the career of those that are in law.

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Enforcement, correct those folks that that that are they're feeling good about you know the.

B

Drug court and judge hacker yay and all of that wonderful, that's great, but they're not making.

B

Decisions on careers of people in in the most one of the most prestigious careers in this country.

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I say one of because I happen to be a part of another, but uh it's also prestigious anyway.

B

It just it bothers me that this would even be a possibility, and I don't think.

B

It's I I don't think it's it's uh respectful to have a commissioner board have that.

B

In front of them to make that decision, you know suppose it would go that way and there would be.

B

Some uh some negative thoughts or concerns. Can you imagine how that commissioner board.

B

Would feel when they said oh gosh? Well, we put them on there. Maybe we shouldn't have done that.

B

In this way, you you put people on there that have no possibility at all.

B

To to have that in their mind, because they they they haven't.

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Been been involved in that kind of activity they do have. That possibility I mean well, I know they.

B

Do but at least this isn't a part of their life, that's that's yeah. I mean I I there's so many.

B

People out there that have never had the opportunity where it has to be above reproach.

B

That's what I say I'll say this since we're going to vote on this today. There's only four of us here.

D

I don't want to go 2-2 and delay it I'll go along with with commissioner williamson weaver on this.

D

Sorry ed, but I want to arrow and aaron. No, don't don't be sorry and I'm not I just if there was all.

D

Five here I'd still argue my side, because it could be three two and I'm okay with that. But there's.

D

Only four of us here it looks like it might go two two. I I don't think that's. I think we want.

D

To move forward with this because we're by the state of maryland, I have to get this move forward.

D

And get it done by july 1st, I see your side, I do. I also see our side, but I I'd rather err on.

D

On your side than mine to be very frank and now you're making my case more, I'm I'm going along.

B

With you, no no but you're making my case, I'm not going along with him anymore, because you.

B

You wouldn't want to put someone in that position. You see the benefits of not having that.

B

I I I do I win. It's quit selling yeah once you I'm not selling I'm trying to make the sale.

D

Once I have my car keys, I'm getting out of here, you don't have to keep something in the car.

B

I want to be, I want to be clear here, I'm being respectful of all of those again.

B

And I I don't want to make this sound as if you know I've got a negative outlook about those that.

B

Have had a problem uh that have turned their lives around there's a ton of them out there.

E

They're they're, making great strides in their personal life and in their community and doing.

B

You know doing some some wonderful things, but this this board. I mean the the name of.

B

The boards themselves- police, accountability, police, police, administrative charging committee come on.

B

It's got to be people that have that that don't have this in their background.

B

And I'm done selling I'd like to move. We strike that from this.

E

Can we no no movie what okay? We don't have to do anything at this time right now, all.

D

You have to do is is I'll make the motion the board adopt the proposed resolution.

D

Creating the police account accountability, board and administrative charging committee.

M

Just to be clear, if you, if you go with this motion, it will include the the restriction.

M

On membership of the committee, do you understand, which is what you're wanting.

A

It's yeah, so it's in there dude, yeah, okay, just make sure I didn't like the way it was working.

A

Thank you. I don't like the way it's worried either.

A

The um okay, okay: I got a motion. Second, okay, so I got motion. I got a second hope.

A

I get a second, I will finish the discussion before we go to a vote.

A

The intent here is one, like you shared early on, I'm a bit disturbed that this board is even being.

A

Considered and that the state is causing us to commit the county to establishing this.

A

Board and debate these things and I'm that that's pretty frustrating that we're even.

A

Running down this road, but we're directed to, uh I don't think we need to. I have full confidence.

A

In um our sheriff's department, along with the municipalities and the law enforcement in carroll,.

A

County, I do want to represent most not must I do want to represent the best of carroll county.

A

Just like we do with all boards and commissions, um although I may not agree with.

A

You know what you're saying um I understand why you're saying and I respect it. I believe that.

A

uh There are many other ways that folks are skewed and that concerns me um so.

A

I I just I don't like diversifying ourselves in a place where we don't need to be diversified.

A

And being preached to on saying we, you must have this or you must have that.

A

I mean that's what carroll county makes us so good is we know ourselves better than.

A

Anyone else- and I know in another jurisdiction, they're saying well, we want you know somebody from.

A

This diversity, or somebody from that diversity or a third generation, I'm like knock that off. We.

A

Don't want that, let us determine what we want for carroll county. We have to set a budget for this.

C

And I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I understand that, uh but I also firmly believe.

B

And I might be way off on this.

B

But I firmly believe that for most that are involved in law enforcement, allowing.

B

This to be in there would be disrespectful to their cr to their careers and into their lives.

B

I might be way off on that, but I don't think I am, I don't think so either and I want.

B

The best you know that, on public safety through and through, I want the best people to be on these.

B

Unnecessary boards- and that means folks that have never had an issue I'm going to stop.

A

Okay, trinity, further withdrawal.

B

Go go nevermind you and I have to try to get along. You know that right.

B

Is there any further discussion on this as written all in favor aye aye against I, okay 3-1? It carries.

A

Two just before we leave this topic on page two of your handout, you'll notice from michael.

J

Sanders and the association of counties there was a last-minute change to the police, accountability.

J

Board uh statute, which allows for clarify it, says, clarifies the composition of bi-county trial.

J

Boards for for police disciplinary matters, the police chief of mount airy contacted me and said.

J

Rather than go under the jurisdiction of the state, they would like to fall under our.

J

Police accountability board uh for the town of mount airy, which is, as you know, split by.

J

Parsley in frederick and partially in carroll county, I said I would run it by the board. I I.

J

Think it makes sense I do as well, so so all of mount airy would come under this.

J

Yes, they would be under our police accountability board. So, even if the.

M

Action occurred in frederick county, it would come under ours. So are we annexing part of mountains.

B

We would have to do some sort of. Does it come with funding? I don't know yeah, I'm gonna say we have to.

E

Set the budget for this, and there would have to be a memorandum of understanding between the counties.

J

To make the make this work and the town as well as so I I said, I would run it by before. Even I.

A

Think it's a unifying way of doing it and someone you know, as opposed to splitting you know, makes.

A

Sense- um and they better, I believe, they'll- be more trustworthy with our approach, not dissing. Anybody.

A

Else but I think um yeah, so I I think I think it's a good idea. I mean do we need a you, need an action.

J

On this, or no I'm going to come back to you with something an mou or something memorializing that.

J

If we can reach an agreement, so I just wanted to run it by you before we get started on that.

J

They asked us and they didn't ask frederick county party, uh they did not ask for it to my knowledge.

J

They didn't understand, I thought maybe they would ask both to see which one said. Yes, I don't know.

A

All right: okay, now, let's talk about all the noise happening in carroll county.

A

I'm leaving no you're not stay here. You you ain't, leaving nowhere. Mr burke commissioners, we had a.

J

Public hearing uh several weeks ago on a proposal that would repeal the current noise ordinance.

J

And replace it with the current the version you have in front of you and that would rep.

J

Prohibit unreasonably loud noise in areas where residential uses are permitted, so that would.

J

Include your conservation ag zone um residential zones as well, there's exemptions for the use of.

J

uh Agriculture for schools for carnivals, you know philanthropic carnivals and the like.

J

And, of course, law enforcement and and garbage trucks. uh It also says, between the hours of.

J

10 and seven you cannot use amplified noise, which creates again an unreasonably loud noise uh which.

J

Takes into account the location and the impact on on the neighbors.

J

And unreasonably disturbs the health, safety and peace of uh persons of ordinary sensitivity.

J

So uh we at the public, hear you had a comment from an individual that wanted you to retain the.

J

Current language regarding off-road recreational vehicles, including go-karts atv's snowmobiles, they.

J

Wanted you to uh retain the current 300-foot setback from the neighboring residences.

J

Or the associated cartilage, that's the front porch front yard of neighborhood residents. They.

J

Wanted to retain that 300-foot setback again that wouldn't apply to use of agricultural equipment or.

J

Fire military governmental purpose equipment, so I inserted new language on page two that.

J

Would that would take the language from the old noise ordinance and incorporate that.

J

With regard to the 300 foot, setback for off off the road vehicles in the in this noise ordinance.

A

Can I uh ask the sheriff if he can come up here for a second.

A

Because I think this pertains you and I had a conversation the other day about parking.

A

And the challenge and enforcement of parking violations, and in the code it says that um you may.

A

You know tick it or something like that. To that sense, my concern is this type of ordinance.

A

Can become very overwhelming and the ability to enforce this ordinance is.

A

Going to come down to you, you know in the services you and your deputies provide.

L

So we're always governed by discretion, and so when we talked about that particular parking issue, yeah.

L

There was a lot of discretion that goes into making sure that there's compliance there and.

L

So um you're, citing someone or warning someone are two different things: to make sure that that.

L

We get compliance that way. I I don't think the way this is written is going to be a tremendous.

L

Hindrance on us, we've always been able to go out and mitigate.

L

The majority of these these noise complaints, without even having any worry of civilly.

L

Citing someone, so I just simply don't think that this is going to be a tremendous burden.

L

The commissioner wants- and I talked about the setback and that was based on. um I think a woman.

L

Came in here about her farm and- and we don't we're not against that at all- I think it was appropriate.

L

To put that back in there and leave it there, the complaints that we get the most right now are.

L

So uh right now I'm dealing with a complaint eldersburg that there's some housing, that's being.

L

Built and it's not that the that equipment's being fired up before seven, it's just that.

L

Workers need to get to these sites right before seven and get themselves prepared, knowing that.

L

At seven they're gonna fire up equipment and move it on, and so sometimes progress, um even though it.

L

Takes a little bit of time, disturbs people and and we have to go down and mitigate those things. But.

L

Overall yeah, I simply don't think that this ordinance is going to be a tremendous hindrance.

L

For us to go out and enforce um no more, you know the the other one was, I think, a a bigger entrance.

L

Because we had meters that were in there and and the inability to try and measure no, I definitely.

A

Agree with that, I'm just thinking you know parking even speeding when people keep calling so.

A

You know because you're stretched and you can only do so much and now you got this on top of those.

L

I think this is just a better ordinance for us to navigate from I do. I think it cleans things up for.

L

Us, um but it just cleans things up for us. I don't believe it's going to be that big of an issue for.

L

Us so it's not going to work through additional expectations from the community that you're.

A

Going to be, you know out there, you know. No, I mean. Obviously we haven't started the whole venue issue.

L

Yet this year in the concerts, the outdoor concerts, but but regardless of whether you put an ordinance.

L

In place or not, those are issues we're still going to have to respond to and handle and deal with so.

L

um No, no, thank god, we're in carroll county. All I have to deal with is parking complaints and noise.

L

Issues I mean it could be a lot worse, and so we we respond efficiently and quickly and try and handle.

L

It without without real enforcement, just just mitigating it, okay, yeah yeah. I appreciate that any.

A

Other questions, or no from from a legalese standpoint when something says you may not.

B

Should it say you shall not I'm just asking to the two attorneys in the room unless there's.

B

A few others, if it's an ordinance on the internet. Yes, it should say if it's regulation.

B

Have you ever come up with that jim? I don't know where you could put chao in and um but.

L

But it does take some discretion from us. If you, if you put shao there, are there are.

L

Criminal laws that say xiao that we have no discretion. A lot of them are.

L

Protective orders- domestic violence things those sort of things that.

L

So when you throw shao in there, it does bind us a little bit and okay, so under prohibitions.

B

Article c uh a person may not, and then in in uh section three uh a it says a person may not.

B

Shouldn't it be, shall not is what I was wondering. I don't you want the discussion to make right.

M

Yeah, I think we always have the discretion, um so you want the may, I think, may is more appropriate.

L

Than challenges and yeah, I'm not going to be out there, I'm only going to get the calls you.

B

Are so I want to make sure that you have what you think is the teeth to be able to do whatever here.

B

As long as it's in an ordinance and we're responding to a legitimate complaint.

L

May gives us the teeth to do that. Shao takes it out of our discretionary ability when it could be.

L

Something that is really can be easily handled by just responding out and using good discretion and.

A

That's exactly why I wanted the sheriff to come up because, with the parking it says may and somebody.

A

Reached out to me and said you know, somebody's got to do something about this and you know we talked.

A

About this, and allowing the discretion to the sheriff about parking violations is very important.

A

Because they're all over the place so and parking's not traditionally something we go out.

L

And write tickets for right, um and it's usually in a particular area, where we're having a lot of.

L

Problems, whether it's on a roadway or a or a park and right so what colonel hart and I have to do.

L

Regularly is make sure that deputies understand that this is the the regulation that allows you.

L

To make that enforcement effort right, but it is a discretionary thing and, and so we I mean, we've.

L

Been just so lucky to be able to handle these issues without really going to to enforcement, so.

A

Okay, any other uh questions or other than spring has sprung. It has and, and so yeah we'll see what.

L

That brings yeah okay, okay, I'll make the motion the board, adopt the proposed revision and the.

D

Replacement of the carroll county noise ordinance. Second, I got a motion in a second. Is there further.

A

Discussion on this seeing hearing, none all in favor all right thanks again, thank you sheriff.

E

Nice uh prayer breakfast this morning, I appreciate everybody. Thank you. You needed this today.

A

Okay: let's talk about warfieldsburg road headwall replacement. Excuse me.

A

We shall be talking about this.

N

Good morning, good morning, good morning, commissioners, the office of procurement.

N

In conjunction with the bureau of engineering request, your approval to award a contract for the.

N

Warfightsburg road head wall replacement to smi services, incorporated in the amount of one hundred.

N

Sixty nine thousand seven hundred nineteen dollars this project consists of extending the existing 60.

N

Inch rcp by 4 foot, construction of a new end wall stream, diversion and maintenance of stream flow.

N

Traffic detours, replace repair, damaged, pavement and shoulder stabilization of all disturbed areas.

N

This amount is within the approved budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

O

This work is necessary to repair the outlet end of an existing 60-inch culvert pipe. Currently, we have.

O

Some bank stabilization holding the existing bank and roadway in place we're going to extend the.

O

Pipe, as we mentioned by four feet, place a new end wall which is higher and wider to stabilize that.

O

Roadway we'll also be lining the existing pipe and stabilizing the inlet end wall with some shock.

O

Creep this road: this will require the roadway to be closed for approximately two weeks, weather.

O

Permitting and we're going to do this when school is out of session smi services has performed.

O

Similar work in other maryland counties and we've received some favorable uh references for them.

A

There's enough detours like nicodemus and others, yeah widow, 32 and yeah 27. and okay, yeah.

A

Okay, all right I'll make the motion that we award the contract for wolfelsburg road.

B

Head wall replacement, smi for nine thousand, seven hundred and nineteen dollars a second.

A

Got a motion got a second any discussion on this. All in favor.

A

All right: okay, hey chris, while you're in the room and doug.

B

Recently have been working on the horse and buggy signs uh for the amish. I know it's not. I just had.

B

Open meetings training, so I know it's not on the agenda, but I want to thank you uh for.

B

For taking that um proactive approach up there and meeting with uh with those fine folks, I'm actually.

B

There's actually a meeting here this afternoon on another issue where they're going to be um that.

B

Some of those folks are going to be coming in, but sometimes it's a little challenging uh when you're.

B

Working with them because they have a different way of looking at things and whatever. But.

B

You did an awesome job and I think it will be very beneficial. I hope people pay attention to those.

B

Signs could you make them pink? No, unfortunately, I need to be yellow. Okay, all right. I just I.

B

Thought I'd give you the shot it's one of those shallows in the mbt. It says it shall be: yellow.

B

But thank you. Thank you both thanks for for being a part of that, and we look forward to that. We.

O

Learned a lot, it was very, very enjoyable working with them excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Letter of intent- what is this all I have is letter of intent, officer, procurement.

A

uh Fleet management, okay, okay, good morning, commissioners, good morning.

P

We are here to ask your approval to send hertridge. I never can pronounce that right. Fleet services, a.

P

Letter of intent to purchase eight new chevrolet tahoe utility vehicles at an estimated cost.

P

Of three hundred and twenty five thousand six hundred eight dollars, these vehicles will be.

P

Purchased from the state of maryland contract, which was competitively bid and this letter of.

P

Intent will allow hurt rich fleet services to put these vehicles on their assembly schedule.

P

Which will reduce the wait time? This amount was requested in the fy23 budget and no additional.

P

Funds should be necessary and I will turn it over to you to give you any details about the vehicles.

Q

So gm has actually indicated that they are accepting orders for the tahoe on may 19th.

Q

And it's expected that they're going to close the ordering window within a couple days, yeah it's.

A

um It's actually it's very interesting, because gm has not established pricing for these vehicles.

Q

Yet, and they cannot provide an eta for them, but they're telling all the dealers you have to have.

Q

Your orders in on may 19th, um so with that being the situation, we would like to supply her trick.

Q

With the letter of intent, so that way they can go ahead and designate or set aside. Eight of these.

Q

For carroll county government and really it's an assurance for us that we know that we can purchase.

Q

These vehicles, when that time comes, obviously we don't have fy 23 budget funds right now,.

Q

So when we do in july- and I can come to you with exact pricing and more information on the order.

Q

We'll be looking for your final approval to actually purchase the vehicles.

Q

But at this moment we really just need a letter of intent. So that way you know we know when we.

Q

When we need to, we can buy these vehicles. Okay, that's great forty thousand dollars.

A

For these each vehicle yeah it's about forty thousand dollars per vehicle wow, so you're.

D

Thinking this does this amount will cover the cost of all eight yeah. We believe that is an accurate.

Q

Estimate, okay, um we add a couple more some of the vehicles, so four of them will be for fire and ems.

Q

uh Three for the sheriff's department, one for state's attorney's office, so obviously the fire.

Q

And ems department vehicles and the shares will require some upsetting and outfitting.

Q

So that will affect the total price, but yes, the vehicle. The price of the vehicle is about forty.

Q

Thousand dollars yeah wow, so I guess I'll ask why I asked last time you were in here.

B

Is it enough, so this is what we have set aside in the budget. I believe this is.

Q

Everything that we will need um for fire and ems, it's four of them. One of them, is a spare.

Q

Or a backup chase vehicle, as director robinson has described, um the sheriff's department vehicles.

Q

There's we have three tahoes in their fleet that you know we need to replace and one in the state's.

Q

Attorney so I don't, I don't see anything in the future happening where we would need to increase.

Q

That amount, so I'm pretty confident that eight of the chevy tahoe is what we will need for fy23.

A

Okay, you know two questions often asked. Is it enough when, especially when you're getting.

A

You know pricing and then also for me, a lot of times is.

A

Extended years you know warranties, and can we get price discounts for extended years? You know.

A

As opposed to just one-time buys so being prepared for those are appreciative, so that's certainly.

A

Yeah wow, okay, I guess I'm good with eight ten's a better number, but you know eight, I guess is.

B

Fine, I mean I just want to make sure. That's all I understand because of the the volatility of the.

B

Of the industry right, the market yeah, it's just it's it's nuts, um even still when you go to these.

B

Dealers and drive by them there's nothing on the lots right, there's a few things, but.

B

uh And I go by her trick a lot uh in my travels because I go buy about four of them and they.

B

Don't have a whole lot of vehicles either, so you know I don't know I just. I want to.

B

Make sure we're asking for enough and if you're confident, then I'm good, sir okay.

A

Okay, all right! Well, then I'll make the notion that we approve the office of procurement to issue a.

B

Strong letter of intent to hertrick uh for the impending purchase of eight.

B

Chevy tahoes at the estimated cost of 325 608, a second okay. I got a motion.

A

And two seconds: no further discussion: all in favor aye, aye, aye, okay, let's talk about.

A

Bureau of roads. Thank you. Thank you. Bureau of rhodes, approving to use a term contract.

A

To re-line three stormwater drainage systems: okay in finksburg.

R

Morning, commissioners, good morning morning, kathy verts, our rhodes, administrative supervisor,.

R

And I are here before you this morning to uh seek your approval, to use a term contract to realign.

R

Three, as you said, commissioners, storm water, drainage system, pipes.

R

Using a cured in place, fiberglass liner process near jeffrey lori, south drive and gracie drive.

R

Kathy will provide you the details on exactly uh what we're doing there and then we'll be available.

R

To answer any questions that you have good morning, commissioners, we plan to line three separate pipes.

S

One is a 48 foot long by 24 inch diameter pipe. One is 22 foot long and 15 inch in diameter.

S

And the third pipe is 42 foot long and 24 inches in diameter. They all three meet into a.

S

Manhole area at the intersection and all three are rotted in the bottom and causing the road to sink.

R

So we have pleasants construction on term and they have provided a quote for us of thirty three.

R

Thousand three hundred and ten dollars uh this was competitively. Their term was competitively bid and.

R

Awarded um and funding is currently available in our budget for this project. We won't require.

R

Any additional permits from mde because of where this is at and the need the road will remain open.

R

During construction and we estimate that weather permitting, this will take about three working days.

E

I'll moved the board of commissioners approved the bureau of roads operations to install a cured and.

E

Placed fiberglass liner and the failing, stormwater drainage system pipes near the intersection of.

E

Jeffrey lowery, south drive and gracie drive in for thirty three thousand three hundred ten dollars.

E

And thirty five cents that was very well said that was very well said. I just want to say I'll. Second.

A

35 motion: I got a second any discussion on this. One can hear none all in favor.

A

All right, hi, thank you, commissioner, have a good day and thank you for the buggy sign yesterday.

A

um Chris, do we have any open comment, public comment.

Q

No one on the line. Thank you very much.

A

Anything for open admin.

A

Yes, we're going into closed after this closed admin after this yeah, but okay for open.

M

Next tuesday may 10th, I can't believe it's may 10th. Already. Next tuesday, you have a joint meeting.

M

With the board of education in the afternoon, um so it's the delayed one from a couple weeks ago.

M

um They want to discuss uh two things: um the fy 23 operating budget and um the state, cip, funding.

M

When mr zalewski was going over the budget presentation a week or two ago, you, commissioner,.

M

Frazier mentioned you wanted to talk with the board, with the board of education, about.

M

How they're going to use their increased funding 10.5 million that they're getting from the state.

M

Right, it's earmarked for some particular things. I'd just like to know what it's earmarked for.

M

And then I didn't know if we had any other agenda items that we wanted to address time was that.

M

Oh, you had to ask it's the 10th three years, three o'clock. Okay, thank you. Yeah.

E

We're going again from the tenth and seven o'clock, we have the.

A

Okay, the public hearing for the budget.

A

Some reason was not.

M

Any other topics um it should be in your.

D

It calendar be after you read this through now, it's on my calendar, um any topics.

B

No, I don't can't think of anything capital projects.

C

um I mean, I know they want to talk about operating budget yeah. I don't know what they want to talk.

B

About yeah they're two topics where they want more operating budget and the state cip funding.

B

They want, they want more money right, the the superintendent um status are they closing.

A

They're closing in on that aren't they um they haven't identified monday night breakfast. That's.

A

What it is and they invade us or something monday at eight o'clock- they want to hear.

M

Your ideas about the kinds of questions and things I think for the interviews, the monday.

D

For you to bring two questions to them, so they can ask the questions when they for the superintendent.

D

Search is my understanding, correct. Well, that's the way the email was. That's what I I yep.

D

I heard our office office staff check that out and that's what I was talking about asking some.

E

Questions here uh to the possible now yeah, what now you the the candidates will not be. There won't.

M

Be there it's just what questions would the board of county commissioners like to ask the candidates.

M

If they were to, I think so well, that's what I think it was yes, I I asked about an attendant.

A

Search focus group: he wants you to bring two to three questions right to yeah. It's a group.

D

It's a focus group, so the group can ask the questions of the superintendent when they.

D

Of the candidates, that's what this is for. The candidates will not be there at this breakfast.

M

That's what we've been told.

E

I think you're wrong on that one, but I mean it could be, but I I did I did have it checked. Yeah.

D

I I believe in our competent staff, and is this a is this if we were going to this, is this an.

A

Open meeting over there, uh no, which one well you're talking about two, the breakfast.

M

No, I don't believe I don't okay, I don't believe it is. I don't know I don't it's not our meeting so.

M

It's up to them after a recent upgrade to my open meetings.

B

uh Training, I'm yeah, I'm I'm questioning more than two of us being in the room. So.

M

When you're invited it's a different story when it's their meeting, so it's their responsibility.

A

Say that again yeah, because I'm I'm confused at the same thing. I don't understand what this is.

B

And I don't they invited you to the meetings it's up to them to comply with the open meetings.

J

Law right, not us you're, just participants participants as commissioners participants.

A

As commissioners, but you can do that you're invited to meetings all all over the place.

M

um And it's there if you're, probably not, but I am well yeah. Okay, um hey.

A

Okay, all right eight o'clock in the board of ed, because that'll be interesting at least.

A

um Well, maybe we could get some verification as to what exactly this meeting is yeah, because it.

B

Reads both ways it it. I mean I've got the inter. I've got the email in front of me.

B

um Would you check if the commissioners are available to attend a superintendent.

B

Search focus group meeting on monday may, the 9th breakfast will be provided.

B

Okay, a focus group means that you're concentrating on.

B

Coming up with, in my mind, questions for candidates, but then the next paragraph.

B

Says I would ask each of the commissioners to have two to three questions prepared for the candidate.

B

So that reads that the candidate is actually going to be in the room: yeah. um Okay, so could.

B

We get verification, I'm asking. I did ask kathy to check into this and she came back to me with.

D

Candidates who will not be in a room you're just going to be bringing your questions in yeah, yeah.

M

We had that conversation because we were like well. We could just be asked for the questions and just.

M

Submit them, if that's but hey you take yes, maybe you could do your breakfast here yeah, you don't.

A

Get to eat going back to uh going back to that joint board of ed meeting. Are there any topics.

A

That we can think of that we want to highlight, I mean there'll, be a discussion. There always is, but.

A

It's always good. If we have something I mean I'll continue to talk about um redistricting, because I.

A

Still don't have comprehensive, redistricting yeah comprehensive redistricting so that.

M

Committee has been meeting and they um they're making a presentation to the board of education.

M

And linda uh and laura mathias are on it and I met with linda yesterday and I'm trying to.

M

Think of the date that they're having the presentation to the board uh do. Does the.

M

Board of education have a meeting on the 11th of may. Would that be their normal meeting? It's.

M

A wednesday that's a wednesday they're, just area focus groups on redistricting, correct.

M

Yeah dude, I don't understand, I mean they didn't look at comprehensive yeah. No, no! It's just for the.

A

Southern yes, the spotlight, yeah, but but across the south, still comes under the board of education's.

A

Responsibility so from the commissioners having that on agenda for an update on.

A

The status of comprehensive redistricting around carroll county, I mean, I know, there's meetings but.

A

uh Yeah, as I say, they're gonna, I believe they're gonna be making a presentation.

M

And I think it's the 11th and one ongoing thing. I think we really need to. I know ted's dealing.

E

With the board of ed on is the fact that we have designated funding for the improvements they're.

E

Moving on, we don't have the designated funding to move at the rate. They want to go with improvements.

M

Well, they have, they have on their list state, cip funding, which would cover that okay, yeah yeah yep.

E

I mean, I think we need to because the way they always enforce reinforce the fact that.

E

You know our funding is not going to keep up with the plans they have in place with the.

E

Schools they're building, and yet they need to keep.

E

Moving ahead with 40 buildings to maintain so it's a it's a tough situation.

M

Yep, okay, anything else all right. Well, if you think of anything else, we have. You know.

M

A day or two to add it to the list, but that helps I appreciate it I'll pass that on to.

M

The board of education, it's an away game, so you'll be over there. That's it for me thanks and if I get.

M

The answer to our question about the monday meeting: I will tell you as soon as I get it.

C

A

Okay, anything else for open admin.

A

Come on up, let's do uh agendas, then we're gonna gavel into recess and go into closed.

A

A

May 9th we have the focus group breakfast. We just talked about eight o'clock over in the.

A

Board of education boardroom, um I will also be attending that um eight o'clock.

A

The transit advisory council at three pm, commissioner fraser, will be I'm pretty sure. That's.

A

Been cancelled, probably cancel, but we'll ensure check on I'm pretty sure I got it um tuesday.

A

May 10th we have the board of education joint meeting over the board of education, boardroom.

A

At 3pm, where we all will be attending at 7 p.m. That evening, at the carol arts center.

A

Is the fy 23 proposed budget public hearing on wednesday? We have.

A

Employee appreciation, day over at the ag center, where all five of us will be attending. If I may.

M

Remember that starts it's been two years since we've done this. So just as a reminder, it starts.

M

With um the recognition ceremony at nine and then the um the open to all employees.

M

I believe starts at 11, maybe 10 30., something like that. I think it's 11., okay and then at 1pm.

A

The students and friends of robert mountain high school, where I will be attending with.

A

Commissioner, frazier and commissioner lance carroll county board of education. Commissioner,.

A

Faisal will be attending in 5 p.m. May 11th at 6 30 p.m. The annual career connections.

A

Banquet and commissioner boucher will be attending on thursday. We have open session.

A

uh We will talk about the workforce, development grants and a memorandum of understanding to.

A

Division of rehab services, doors, okay, behavioral health services, briefing from.

A

Ms deckel she'll stay on board and talk about the fy 23 senior center operating funds grant.

A

Then our comptroller will be talking about banking and direct deposit services.

A

We will then talk about an option to purchase the stephen, our booze property.

A

Through our accounting program and then we will go into closed for land acquisition.

A

On friday, at 10 30, the 15th annual fallen heroes, memorial service.

A

Over at the public safety education training center, four of us will be attending. Commissioner.

A

Frazier lance weaver and I will be attending on saturday there's nothing on sunday, commissioner.

A

Boucher will be giving a podcast and really looking forward to the 12 o'clock.

A

Start of a veterans celebration at the farm museum, where we all will be attending.

B

Correction to correction wednesday may 11th that students and friends of robert moton is.

B

Not at the westminster library, it's actually at their 300th south center street location, okay, at.

M

Robert yeah at robert moody, okay, so if we make that robber mode right, yeah that'd be thanks.

A

May 16th nothing may 17th. Commissioner, lance will be.

A

Attending the planning commission at nine o'clock, we will have open session at 1 pm to adopt.

A

Our fy 23 budget at 2 pm, we have a veterans advisory meeting where commissioner weaver.

A

And I will be attending wednesday may 18th first responders, appreciation day lunch.

A

Deliveries, commissioner frazier lance and I will be participating in that. That's always.

A

To me, enjoyable to be able to go to the jurisdictions and give them some good food.

D

For taking food too right, I don't know, I mean come on. No, I'm just kidding go ahead. Okay,.

A

um Commissioner, boucher and frasier will be walking in the park at westminster, community pond.

A

Or maybe in the pond for that matter, it's really not a long walk, so we'll probably head to it a.

D

Couple times I don't know, on thursday, um we go into open session at nine o'clock.

A

F, why, I imagine it's fy 23.93? Yes, maryland criminal intelligence network grant application.

A

They do some great work over there with that mcin with that network. 9 30 public comment.

A

On third quarter: fiscal updates, mr zaleski, and then at 1pm we come back into open session.

A

Maybe for a work session: when are we adopting this thing? I thought we were adopting it yeah.

B

These are just work sessions, but we might not need that. Yes, we might not need that right. So.

M

We might not yeah they're always on the agenda, that's just a trend, so it's got it thanks.

A

And then uh 6 p.m. On thursday, the maryland municipal league joint meeting.

A

Commissioner frazier boucher and I will be attending, I may have a conflict, but we'll figure.

A

That out, especially if two others are attending um saturday may 21st retirement celebration, bonnay.

A

Mushulum over westminster, commissioner frazier will be attending commissioner weaver.

M

Oh, it's bonnie yeah, oh okay got it got it okay. um So, on the question of the meeting on monday.

M

I um kathy's sources are better than mine, so she she won the she wasn't getting the scoop.

M

The first time it is eight to nine thirty. It is for the board of education, the commissioners and.

M

Delegates to have breakfast and meet with the applicant: that's not what was explained to her.

M

Previously, it's with the applicant application well and she says applicant and I've asked her.

M

Whether she knows applicant like one or applicants like many that I'm not sure of but oh really, yeah.

B

That's what I different see it read both ways on that email, yeah yeah. It was unclear for sure yeah.

M

ah Communication is tough put my name down for that. Then.

D

Ever actually meet with the applicant. I like this. I could see who it is yeah.

D

Although I have to I have to say people have told me, I don't know where they got their information.

D

From I'm not going beyond that, that's what I'm saying go. I have no idea. Did you apply? Okay,.

C

All right, and that does not violate open means not for you, you're, invited to this meeting. It is.

M

Up to the board of education to determine what the open meetings obviously and be open, I assume it's.

M

It's probably using some kind of uh uh yeah. What's the word personnel? Okay, I don't think this is.

J

Board members: it's done in administrative session; okay, all right.

A

Thank you for that clarification, mr burke. Okay. I need a motion to go into recess and then closed.

A

And then zoom out, I'm just going into recess. There's no journey. Oh there's no closed session.

J

Afterwards, it's an administrative right, okay, make a motion to adjourn. That's it! Okay! Do I have a.

A

Second, second, that took a while a little slow here, any discussion all in favor, aye, aye, we're joined.

D