Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 8 Oct 2020

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All right good morning, thank you all for joining us today. I'm starting it today, because I'm back.

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In my own chair, I got lance out of this seat, so I had to start it this morning. um As always, we'll.

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Start with the pledge to the flag and the moment of silence, so if everyone could please stand.

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Of which it allegiance, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice.

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Thank you and we have priority carol and we'll start with the colonel mr rostein. Okay and.

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Good morning there, commissioner wayne, I had to start with you first, that's why I did it.

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A few things I just want to share one is uh we had our last well. We had a planning and zoning session.

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Last night- and it was the um last session where we're looking at the rezoning opportunities and.

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I really applaud again our planning department under linda eisenberg and her entire team.

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For um really doing a lot of listening and learning in the process, and I think.

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uh Between that and the commission's dedication um really came up with good products that will.

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Lead us next week into discussions and workshop discussions on uh the rezoning decisions that we.

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As commissioners need to make, so I think we are in a good position because of the due diligence.

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Of the planning committee or planning department and uh the planning and zoning commission.

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um This past weekend for this past week, I had a great opportunity, I'm very humbled, always to.

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Provide proclamations to eagle scouts and there are two eagle scouts from two separate troops.

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uh One on saturday and one on monday, just incredible young men uh being a you know in the.

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Scouts for 10 to 12 years and then getting that uh eagle, um you know uh becoming an eagle scout.

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Is uh just something that uh obviously they, along with their family and community, are very proud of.

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And it's just always a humbling opportunity for me to participate in those events. The last thing.

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Don't want to sound like a broken record, but it it comes down to masks and social distancing. We are.

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Not out of this, we still have 210 000 plus that have died. Unfortunately, throughout our country and.

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um It is believed uh that masks and social distancing will allow us to.

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Get better sooner and through this pandemic we have to lead, I believe by example, uh integrity.

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Is doing the right thing whether people are watching or not, and that is to wear.

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The mask appropriately and to keep distance and if you don't want to uh then stay away.

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But it's not for your self-preservation, it's for you, along with others around you.

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uh Family friends and uh and neighbors, so it's it's a difficult situation, we're in.

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um And I just don't want to let our guard down uh as we're working through this. So that's all. I have.

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Commissioner, you're muted.

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Chris, okay, thank you. That was not my fault.

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To air saying that I'm one point across here, but anyway we're going now to commissioner weaver.

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Good morning, well, uh I guess major event here yesterday we were all together.

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Was the groundbreaking for the expansion to the carroll county uh technical center and.

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You know I am totally impressed with the uh always have been with the tech center and what they've.

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Been able to accomplish and they're always changing programs to try to keep up with the.

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um Technology, what's going on in the world around them, and I remember having a student in the.

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Which was public biotech program and couldn't didn't want snow days? She didn't want to miss a.

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Day there they were so excited about going to that school uh and what they were learning and uh she.

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Actually said, after her freshman year in college, she was tutoring the other students. She knew more.

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Than most of them did by going through that tech program, and uh they have some fantastic programs.

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There and they are expanding to even have more programs now, not always the same programs they've.

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Had they were changing constantly to go up to go with the uh demand for in industry demand, but.

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I give them a lot of credit uh steve. I want to thank yesterday for the.

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The thank you to dennis and I, but we fought for this for uh six years to get this tech center.

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Put together and uh I finally, we were able to see it come there and I did uh ask the principal.

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Yesterday, we'll be at the ribbon cutting uh when they get done so uh uh thanked her for uh putting.

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Everything together, uh the other thing is this is uh beginning of the political season. I guess.

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So start thinking about uh laws and um things we need to take to annapolis uh to start looking in.

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The future, what um resolutions anything we need to have uh happening in annapolis, and uh it's going.

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To be upon us very shortly so, uh and you know we do have the election coming up. Please register.

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To vote and vote only once, but please get out and vote and uh do the best we can then okay, that's it.

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All right, thank you, commissioner weber. Commissioner, lance are you taking over now or.

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You want me to continue because it's running really smoothly.

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Hey if it's smooth, keep it rolling, okay I'll continue through this part. All right, commissioner,.

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Boucher, thank you, commissioner. Commissioner weaver you mean we only get the vote once not twice.

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All right I have for priority carol. We have two members of our county government that are honored.

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Through the maryland, as maryland, census champions, the state government has recognized those.

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Individuals in different jurisdictions, who've done exceptional work with the census and that.

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Is mr chris swam and miss lynn davis? There you go, we got some shots of them. Look at that picture.

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They're instrumental in getting the numbers in for our census. Look at that handsome devil. There.

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He does a wonderful job for us. I want to express their appreciation to the work they've done.

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Because the census really helps our county with federal grants and every district, so.

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Thank you very much to those individuals for their hard work, bringing those numbers in.

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Second, priority carol: I have is tackle football open up there, you go the kids.

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And the parents were out this past weekend for opening weekend. They had a wonderful time.

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I attended two of the games. Unfortunately, the westminster wildcats whooped up on my winfield.

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Cavaliers, the wildcats have an exceptional team not to take anything away from the the uh winfield.

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Cavaliers but it's really heartwarming to see all those children out there having fun their parents.

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All communicating talking about their kids being out in the sun and enjoying themselves.

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It's getting back to a sense of normalcy and I was very happy to see that happen.

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The third priority carol I have is there you go, we have jack lybern with stacks and stacks of.

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Folders for the carol rebound program processing the applications. I really want to take this photo.

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And put it up here for everyone to see to show you how many different applications they've been.

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Processing he's charted out and organized it. He showed me they have a quality control system.

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uh Special recognition goes out to their paige sutherland, also denise and brian in office. It's.

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A lot of work bringing in all those applications and processing them, so I want to take this chance.

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To show the behind the scenes of what's going on and give these individuals recognition, because.

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They've been instrumental in helping out our local business community uh I'll just wrap it.

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Up again, a special thanks also to justin mcgonnell on our facilities. He gave me a tour of the north.

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Carol library up in commissioner weaver's district, he gave me the authority to go up there and visit.

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They're, putting a new heat pump ventilation system in.

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uh It's nice to go out there and see the guys in the field, doing the work and see what's.

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Going on behind the scenes, I want to express my appreciation to mr mcdonald and all the people.

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In facilities that maintain all those buildings, as I always say, you walk into a county building.

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You just take it for granted that the temperature is what it is and you feel comfortable, but there's.

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A lot of hard-working men and women out there make that possible. So thank you very much.

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All right, thank you, commissioner boucher going to go next, because what I'm doing I'm just going.

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To hand it back to commissioner lance because he does such a fantastic job leading this board.

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He isn't that what you told me to say anyway, okay.

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A couple of things uh this past week I had a chance to go visit. Some schools talk some teachers.

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uh Maintenance workers, nurses, administrators, uh basically, everyone at the school I talked to.

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At one point or another, at various schools- and I appreciate hearing from them and appreciate them.

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Being very frank and honest with me about what they were saying and I tried to relay those.

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Sentiments to the board of education uh last night, if you saw the meeting last night or the meeting.

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Last week as well- and I, if you haven't, maybe you should go watch those meetings.

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I'm just that's all I'll say about them. They're worth watching.

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If you want to know, what's going on with the schools and how they're moving forward.

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I also want to echo commissioner weaver's comments about the career and tech center.

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The expansion here which we wrote yesterday, it is it's something that's really really.

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Worthwhile because there's so there were so many kids on the waiting list to try to get into that.

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Those programs over there and now it's going to be expanded and hopefully we'll be able to take.

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Care of all the students in carroll county that want to go to career in tech, and that was really.

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Really good again, as commissioner lance and weaver did mention, it was the last board that put that on.

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The agenda basically and set the money aside: if I'm not mistaken, I could be. I think it was.

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Actually, commissioner howard, who made the motion and put money aside for that uh for that center.

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Of course, we all agreed to it. I think he just jumped on it first, and you know before before we.

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Could but anyway, I appreciate commissioner howard for doing that. um The cover cases and and carroll.

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County have reached over 2 000, it's a milestone. It's not something that we should be happy with.

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But it is something that has happened again. Like commissioner ross steen said, mass social.

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Distancing hand washing, you still need to keep vigilant with it, and I know it's getting old and.

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Believe me, it is, but it has to be done and that's all I have I'll turn it back to commissioner lance.

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All right good morning everybody thanks dennis uh and while we're on that career tech subject,.

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Again, we can't say it enough that project has been a long time coming, and uh I truly meant.

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What I said yesterday it it, it was made easier on the 60th board of commissioners. When you have two.

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Professional teachers as commissioners on there so again a shout out both to you dennis and dick.

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For your expertise and helping lead us through that, through the weeds of making sure that project.

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Came to fruition, so uh that was that was a great uh opportunity and yeah dick. We all look forward.

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um To cutting the ribbon to let everybody in the front door of that place when it when it's done.

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So a little personal connection for me shout out to my dad jim lance.

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uh Dad was one of the first drafting instructors there at the career tech center, so.

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um It just um you know I remember running around that building as a little kid uh pretending to.

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Help him set up his classroom. I don't think I did anything but run around the building, but anyway.

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uh You know a shout out to everybody over there. It was a great event yesterday and we very much.

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Look forward to that when we can cut the ribbon on that um dick you mentioned about voting.

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I want to give a shout out to our local board of elections here you need you hear all the rhetoric.

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About about the voting by mail, which is you know that, apparently just the worst thing since I.

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Don't know the civil war or something our local board of elections has done an awesome job here.

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Of providing the opportunity for folks to vote very easily, they have three drop boxes set up now,.

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uh They've been working hard over there so to katy, berry and her crew to all the citizens of.

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Carroll, don't listen to the rhetoric. It's very easy to vote here in carroll. Go vote.

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We had a question come up yesterday and I want to give a shout out to our municipalities.

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In reference to halloween, all eight of our municipalities made the decision that they.

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Thought it was, it was a good thing to go forward with it and uh we had a little news. uh A news.

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Press thing here yesterday about that reminder: uh there are safe ways in which to do halloween and.

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You know there's some novel ideas out there. I think we all saw the candy tube, where you slide.

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The candy down the tube uh put the candy out uh in prepared uh uh pre bags uh there. There.

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Are things that you can do to make it safe? We've got to keep making these things safe. uh Folks, I I.

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I said yesterday the citizens here in carroll have really come through and our numbers are.

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While they're up they and ed will get to this, this sounds crazy, but they're up, but yet they're down.

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So uh and it's a result of everybody doing what is right, and that is.

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Wearing a mask, uh I don't understand what the big deal is about wearing a.

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Mask for those that still don't do it, I just I don't get it.

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I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going to get on that sermon, but you know we're we're only the best.

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Place we're only in the place. We are because we're doing the right thing, and so are all the citizens.

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In carroll, thank you all very much for continuing to be vigilant. uh This is breast cancer awareness.

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Month uh with everything that's going on, we kind of forgot to mention that, and I want to.

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Bring that up, I think, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that has not been touched.

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By by breast cancer, we have a lot of folks that are on the front lines of that as well. We can't.

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Forget, even though we're in this pandemic that there are people working hard for cures for cancer.

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And give a shout out to all of them, so my family's been personally touched by breast cancer.

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I am a huge supporter of everything that goes on this month and um you will see me in pink.

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This month, uh to honor those that um that have either uh that are either working hard or doing.

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Or have survived, and just we've got to remember that the last thing I have for priority carol.

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uh A shout out to a local westminster guy art riley is the president of kiwanis international.

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um That that's that's amazing! There's art. Can you see art, there's art, art riley? Ladies and.

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Gentlemen, art riley, uh it's it's very! It's it's a challenging path to get to be uh a president.

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Of an international organization, uh the kiwanis do amazing work all across this country and all.

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Across the world and to have uh the international president from westminster is a huge is a huge.

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Undertaking and I want to say congratulations to art, he is on the kiwanis magazine this month.

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uh I'm planning on bringing art on here on in priority carol as soon as we can make.

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It work out with the schedule, but if you pass art riley on the street, art will be in a mask.

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You'll still be able to see, congratulate art, good stuff and nice jacket. Rostein nicely done.

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You know I may not have a top hat, but at least I have a jacket.

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Well, well, well done nice pink, hey, absolutely right, and you know you're absolutely right about.

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Breast cancer awareness- we all got to continue to uh to share that. You know we, you know been.

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Doing the right thing, so that was a good shout out. Okay, uh before we get into all things covet.

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uh County administrator windham we'll be hearing from you when we get to the.

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Relief fund, but do you have anything for priority carol that that we may have forgotten.

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um Just uh we received a very nice letter from a resident down in the eldersburg area about several.

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Of our piney run staff members, um I don't, I don't have it in front of me. Unfortunately, at the moment.

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um I should have, I should have printed it and had it for me, but um maybe commissioner osteen can get.

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It real fast yeah, we have a tremendous number of excellent staff and it is so nice when we get a.

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Compliment from residents out in the community, it's so easy for people and people, especially.

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Today, it seems like everyone wants to complain, so it's so nice when people take the time and.

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um And give a compliment, um it really really was very nice to receive back this week.

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Okay, yeah. I was trying to find that roberta, so we could give a shout out to those folks, but I can't.

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I can't find it if we find it we'll give a shout out here to them um I'll I'll, get it before the.

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End and um we'll deal with it all right, very good, okay, uh anything else for priority carol. Anybody.

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Okay with that being said, let's roll into our agenda here and as we always do, we.

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Get an update on any state directives that we've received or any updates from anyone.

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On covid and where we are with that, we do have to discuss extending our state of emergency today,.

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But before we do that, I want to set the stage here so I'm going to bring ed singer on.

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Morning, commissioners, ed ed good morning and we're going to start with you this morning and get the.

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Latest uh statistics, uh whatever you have and then we'll go into our discussions so ed good morning,.

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Good morning I just uh before I get started. I just want to thank the commissioners for your.

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Continued support is uh this: is uh you know this? This whole coveted response thing has been a.

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uh A a very divisive issue and- and uh you know, continuing to do the right things.

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Wearing masks and what not to do inconvenient to some people in the public and whatnot it's it's.

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uh It's greatly appreciated that most everybody in our community has been supportive. I know there.

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Are a lot of folks who are struggling with some of the things and some of the restrictions that have.

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Been in place- and it's just uh it's- it's been a hard thing for all of us to work through and and.

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Just appreciate the support of uh of you all as the board of commissioners.

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And the support of people in the community and doing the right things. uh I actually think.

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That that what I've seen around the state that we're probably going to be one of the first.

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School systems to be going back with the number of kids in person that we're going to have and and.

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um You know, while our numbers aren't where, where I would have been happiest with them, to be.

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They're, probably better than just about anywhere else in the state, with maybe the exception of.

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Out in far western maryland, so um that said, uh our um our community cases uh we we were, I was hoping.

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Since we hit this peak of 88 that we're back on august 30th that we would con continue to see a.

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Downward trend uh in our community cases, but uh last week we we ticked up the to 63.. um I think.

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We're pretty much uh as of yesterday, we were in the mid 30s as far as number of cases this week, so.

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Probably going to be fairly consistent with what we saw last week, and I can't really tell you.

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Why we've seen this increase in cases? I could tell you anecdotally that the people that we're seeing.

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At the test center, when uh when when colleges were going back and whatnot, we were seeing a lot.

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Of asymptomatic people being tested um at our drive-through test center, and I want to give a.

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Shout out to the ag center because they've been great in supporting us and and uh that's been a.

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Perfect location and everybody's worried as we go into the winter, about where their testing sites.

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Are going to be with the veep centers needing to get back operational and not being uh good for.

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The winter elements that uh that I think we're going to be right, where we were in continuing.

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To operate out of the ag center, so it's been a great location for us, but we're we're seeing a.

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Lot more people who are actually symptomatic showing up to be tested and our numbers that.

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uh Are coming back positive at the ag center seem to be higher than thank you, then, uh what they have.

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Been uh this is just our 14-day rolling average that I've shared with you all on a weekly basis.

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And then uh the other thing that I wanted to start sharing with you is.

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You know we we've uh and I'm not sure I just want to make you aware that these things that.

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We're calling probable cases- and we talked last week about the difference between pcr tests and.

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Rapid tests that are that are antigen based tests and, and uh these are what the state is considered.

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Probable cases that are not reported in our um in our regular numbers are our numbers of confirmed.

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Cases, these are people who have had a rapid test and they were symptomatic, but they uh they're not.

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Considered confirmed because they haven't had a follow-up pcr test and- and I do think these.

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Numbers could be significant, especially if we uh we start seeing a lot more people getting.

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Rapid tests and not getting follow-up pcr tests um right now, it doesn't seem to be a huge issue, but.

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There are about 70 cases that we've had in carroll county that aren't counting into our uh counting.

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Into our data, because of the type of tests that they they had done um for further diagnosis.

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I have a question on that: absolutely it's a rapid test and they're showing.

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That it's positive there there's not a follow-up test to confirm it, because we've seen them.

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You know it's not, you don't have the full range of of people coming in for the test, but.

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It's a probable test, and my guess is that when they test positive here, they're isolating all the.

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Other stuff, so why not just have the regular test, given after a confirmed case from from the from.

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The uh rapid testing to to be sure so a lot of the uh a lot of the clinicians now are are doing both.

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The rapid and the the pcr test because they have to wait a day or so for the pcr tests to come back.

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um Frankly, some of the folks that go and get a rapid test, they they feel sick. They know they're.

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Sick and the rapid test kind of confirms them, for it confirms that for them and they don't.

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Want to go through the process of having another uh another specimen collected, so it's it's. uh I.

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I think this is an individual thing between somebody's provider and that individual and.

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A lot of these are being done at the urgent cares, and it depends on uh you know if I show up at an.

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Urgent care- and I have a rapid test and they don't have a uh a pcr test to offer me to go to another.

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Location to get a test is is inconvenient for people, especially if they're feeling sick so.

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Right, I don't know, then why don't we just count them as as a positive, then, because if they're.

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Showing systems they've had a rapid test, the rapid test says they have covet. Why make a problem? Why.

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Isn't it yes, this is this is kobe, so we're trying to be consistent, we're trying to be consistent and.

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I actually had this come up. We actually have one cove of death that happened in carroll county. That.

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That's not considered to be a confirmed, but we're trying to be consistent. This is based on what the.

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Cdc's definition is, and maryland, department of health is following as far as their definition.

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I think we need to keep these separated out, and I think that it's important to show you this data.

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But the way that cdc and the department of health are counting these uh cases. I think it's important.

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For us to kind of keep them separate so that it doesn't confuse people about uh about what.

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The numbers are that we're counting and- and I I I understand we could- we could put the.

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Together a chart that shows the total number of cases, if you guys would like to see that.

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But I do think that when we're we're putting our data together, I do want to be consistent with the.

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Cdc definition and what maryland department of health is, is using and we're just uh making this.

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Additional information available, so the public and and you as uh board of commissioners, are.

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Aware of it, so if you'd like to see this, we can put together a combined report that shows our.

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Total number of uh probable and confirmed cases together if you want to see the total case count.

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So is that why there's a difference ed to follow up on dennis's question.

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You know we're always seeing the difference in the cdc or the health department statistics versus.

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John hopkins statistics: why are we seeing such differences here? That's my first question.

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And my second question is, if you go back a slide to show that we had 66 cases last week,.

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Or the before that or 63, I thought there was a metrics that that we set uh to include.

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Those uh that are making decisions with our carroll county public schools.

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um That was at one point. It was 30 something and then they said well, we'll go up to 40.

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Well, now it's 63. so we're not paying attention to metrics anymore either.

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You know, commissioner, it's it's one of those things where I I think the.

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uh And that that's something you'd have to discuss with your board of education members.

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I I told them that I'd be comfortable where, where we were with a moderate level of risk,.

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I can't tell them when we would ever get to a moderate level of risk and ultimately, I think.

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Them in in their uh in their decision-making process and deciding on how important it is, it is.

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To get back to school have to compare um you know what what their mission is and how important that.

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Mission is versus um where we are, and the level of risk that they're willing to take according to cdc.

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We're we're at a risk where there's a higher uh we're at a level where there's a higher risk of.

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Transmission in schools um are we ever going to get to that moderate level of risk before there's.

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A vaccine and and and we we kind of- are on the waning days of this uh pandemic. I don't know I was.

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Kind of hoping you know we were moving uh trending towards that, as we were coming down from the 88.

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To the 44 and 42 gets you to um where the cdc guidance is. uh As far as being a moderate risk of.

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Transmission in schools, but I can't tell you when we're going to get there and I think uh I think.

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The board of education felt that, even with a uh a higher risk of transmission, according to the cdc.

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Metrics that they that they felt like we needed to get kids back in school and ultimately, that's.

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Their decision to make well, I I just I don't- cut anybody off, but just to jump on what commissioner.

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Wants just said, because I'm the one that sits on the board of ed uh as a commissioner non-voting.

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But uh I I I think it was last week or I said you know, our original number was 35, which you came up.

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With ed, which makes sense, and then cdc came out with, the number would be 42 uh per week. Basically.

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And okay, they said they lowered the bar, so it's easier to jump over and we still haven't reached.

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That, but even with numbers rising we're going to go back to school regardless- and I pointed this.

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Out and like you said, it's up to them to make that decision, they're separately elected board and they.

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Can make that decision, but it seems to go against the metrics that were set up originally and it.

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Makes no difference! It's just it's frustrating from from this this side, because what the last.

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Thing I want is a tremendous explosion when all that, when you know the kids get together, so I just.

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And I'm not saying what happened, but I think the possibility is pretty high.

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And I'll leave it at that and we're not going to know until till they go back and it's it's! uh You.

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Know my biggest concern was is as we're trying to force uh opening sports and opening and and people.

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You know nobody likes to likes to hear this, but every time we open something else up it. It causes.

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Us to have an increase in cases and it's harder for us to manage as a health department and and.

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You know it's, I think it's going to be a struggle for us and we're going to support.

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Them as best we can in in contact tracing and trying to manage keeping schools open. I know.

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The superintendent's going to struggle with staffing and and.

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If, if they wound up with multiple teachers out sick or in quarantine, that's going to be tough.

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On them- and it's this is not going to be an easy, uh an easy ask from from any any part of this.

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Situation and and um we're going to see where it goes, but ultimately I think it's going to be a lot.

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It's going to be an extremely hard lift for for the health department and the.

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School system staff to try to manage this and and we're going to have to see what it looks like.

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um I um I'm uncomfortable with where we are, but it's it's uh ultimately not my decision to reopen.

G

And and uh we're going to support the the decision that the school system's made as best we can.

E

Okay, I appreciate that answer ed. My my question was: was you know to to try to see what the.

E

Emphasis is still being placed on on these numbers and the metrics that are being put forth.

E

And there's always a difference in confusion because on the local news, you'll see the health.

E

Department, statistics and you'll see john hopkins statistics and they're always way off.

E

And- uh and I haven't- and I didn't speak to that, commissioner- and what what I'll tell you the.

G

The big difference there is is, uh and I'll tell you quite frankly, how it is is, is we're testing.

G

uh The residents and all the staff in these nursing facilities over and over and over again.

G

And and hopkins uh has one interpretation of how the calculation should be done.

G

And they don't include those people who are being repeatedly tested.

G

Because they they feel like, we should only be counting people once and and the state.

G

Believes that that that we should count every test. That's done so um the reason that those numbers.

G

Are so different is, if we have, you know, 2500 tests that are done in nursing homes and they're almost.

G

All negative: that's what the state, the state's factoring that into their.

G

Positivity rate and hopkins is not so I I just it's a it's a matter of whether you're, including.

G

People who've been tested multiple times or not, and hopkins is it's got to do with the definition.

G

Of uh surveillance, testing versus- and I had this on a slide before and I'm trying to remember what.

G

The term is, it was surveillance, testing versus uh uh heck. I can't can't remember what the term is.

G

Right now, but the the state and hopkins disagree over what that is, and ultimately you know.

G

I've been sharing both of those numbers with the with the uh with the board of education, because.

G

I think it is important to consider kind of kind of both both of those things that are out there.

E

Okay, I appreciate that I just don't want to get into a place where there's so much confusion.

E

Confusion over statistics that no one knows what the next no one knows who, where it's coming from.

E

Next and as we get deeper into this pandemic and realize the fact that we're nowhere near out of it.

E

Yet confusion is going to lead to miscommunication and man. We just do not need that at this stage of.

E

This pandemic, so that that was my emphasis on this line of questioning and we're trying to.

G

Be as transparent as we can and share as much information as we can, we've got all kinds of.

G

Of data out on our website- and I know a lot of people have been looking at that and.

G

And I'll give kudos to the paper they're they're doing a daily report trying to keep people up to.

G

Date as to where, where things are, are happening, we don't always agree on everything, but it's.

G

It's nice that uh they're keeping a focus on this and keeping people in carroll, county, informed and.

G

Again that same data is available on our website and I know a lot of people on the board of ed.

G

Have been tracking it there and whatnot, I think uh you know, I think, there's just a uh I just. I guess.

G

I'll just share an opinion, I think, there's a level of frustration in the community that people want.

G

Schools reopened and the uh board of ed is feeling a lot of pressure, regardless of what the numbers.

G

Are to get that done and, and uh you know the governor and the and the superintendent of schools.

G

Have kind of been pushing uh pushing the local boards and whatnot to do this, and I I think that.

G

We're really going to be the first one as I as I would put it to pull the band-aid off.

G

And and see what happens and- and uh you know I'm hoping you know, we always fear the fear for the.

G

Best try to pla plan as best. We can and hope that the the worst doesn't happen, and we we've got.

G

A lot of mitigation measures that that the school system is planning to put in place- and I know.

G

uh Commissioner fraser expressed some concern last night that it hasn't all been communicated to the.

G

Teachers, but I think they're bringing them back into the classroom next week and trying to make.

G

Sure that everybody's aware of what the what the plans are, they have all the the mitigation members.

G

Measures that cdc has put out there planned to be put in place when we start back to school. On the.

G

19Th, so we're going to have to do the best we can to support the school system and we're not in an.

G

Ideal place as far as I'm concerned with community transmission, but uh I also understand the.

G

Frustration of some of the parents that are out there and there's, uh regardless of what decisions.

G

May made uh they're going to be quite a few people who are going to be unhappy one way or the other.

G

um This, I guess this chart- I I kind of this is one that I I like sharing, because.

G

It is important to notice that uh our we haven't had a community death since since august and.

G

You know our facility deaths are, are are very, very low at this point in time and.

G

I'm not sure I keep trying to figure out whether this is because we know how to manage this better.

G

Or we're just managing the control of infection better or what? The reason is that we're having.

G

Fewer deaths, I know we've got rem deservier out there now, which is an antiviral. That's that.

G

Was used with uh with the president, it's been used very successfully by our hospital and treating our.

G

Patients that are the uh that are most at risk of potentially having negative outcomes.

G

And potentially dying from this disease, so I think that's become uh more and more available.

G

For for use, so uh it's it's good news that we're not seeing as many people dying from this.

G

That doesn't mean that we can be complacent and I guess it scares me when I say: hey there's some.

G

Good news about this that people want to become complacent, but uh you know there's still people.

G

Who wind up hospitalized and there's still people who wind up with with long-term impacts of this.

G

Disease, even if we don't see as many people dying now as we did early in the pandemic, so.

G

I I appreciate the commissioners, as you guys go through your priority carol constantly emphasizing.

G

That we're in this for the long haul and we've we've got a while more we're going to be dealing.

G

With this and and uh while I share some good news, it's it's important to know that that doesn't mean.

G

We could stop doing the things that we're we're doing to mitigate the effects of this pandemic.

G

um There was a little uptick in in icu bed usage and I I talked to garrett about this. We were. I was.

G

A little concerned because we had four days in a row where we were where we were over 10 icu beds,.

G

um Only a small portion of those were really covet related and he didn't feel like it was putting a.

G

An extreme strain on the hospital they did see an uptick in in people that were under investigation.

G

For covid and the number of positives that were in the hospital early this week, that's kind of wayne.

G

Now and as garrett put it, things are much better, but we did see uh about a three or four day period.

G

Where there was a little more um coveted activity in the hospital level than than we had seen in.

G

In previous weeks and then um as as always, I share this community case uh by age group and week and I.

G

I can't tell you why, but for some reason, the 45s to the 64 age group this week is just seems to.

G

Be where our highest number of cases is we're where we had been seeing a lot in the 18, the.

G

The 29 year old age group and we're still seeing um you know a number of cases in this uh under 18.

G

Age group, I kind of keep looking at that, because these are going to be the ones that are that are.

G

In school quite often, and we're seeing five or six cases- and you know if we wind up with five or six.

G

Cases that are actually in school how many people they have those those cases have close contact.

G

With are going to have to do with, uh with with how many people we have to quarantine and that that's.

G

That's my biggest concern with school reopening is how many people we're going to have to.

G

Potentially quarantine, if we have cases each week, and you know if one if, if one person has.

G

Close contact with two or three people: that's only two or three people we have to quarantine. But if.

G

You know we wind up not following the rules very well and they have close contact with eight or ten.

G

People then that's that's that many people times. However many cases we have that week that have.

G

To go home for for 14 days and can't come back to school until after their quarantine periods up so.

G

um That number you know, while five may five or six cases in that under 18 age.

G

Group may seem like a small number. You know if you wind up multiplying that by 10 or 15.

G

That could be a lot of kids that can't go to school, so we're going to have to see how this goes.

G

And then just sharing the hospitalization and deaths by age group that I've been sharing.

G

With you on a weekly basis, really not much the different here than what I reported last week.

G

And uh that's the end of uh the data that I have to share with you and I'd be glad to.

G

Talk about any questions that you might have at this point.

A

I have a question for you, ed, quick question. Quick answer is what I'm hoping for.

A

um In the schools, since you talked about it, you have a student that comes in and.

A

Tests, or has this symptoms or and you're looking to quarantine that particular student.

A

The students that are sitting around that student that are six feet apart and they all have masks on.

A

Because now they're following the protocols and so forth, are you looking into quarantine them as well.

A

Is that your recommendation, or are they okay and if they don't show any symptoms, because they're.

A

Six feet apart: they do have mass I'm, assuming that the student that was showing symptoms.

A

Has the mask on as well yeah the the the biggest problem we have? Is we can't get six feet between.

G

Every desk in in every classroom and so they're to be some kids that are less than six feet apart.

G

If they're more than six feet apart, they they don't need to be in quarantine. The definition.

G

Is is, if you've been in close contact less than uh six feet for um more than 15 minutes, then you need.

G

To be quarantined and the thing that we're trying to do is make sure the desks are arranged. So the.

G

Few fewest number of people have close contact with each other as possible, so there are going.

G

To be some people that need to be quarantined, because you know if the person directly in front.

G

Of you or behind you is less than six feet away um you you may be in that close contact situation, but.

G

We're not going to be quarantining entire classrooms, uh we're following the cdc definition.

G

Of what a close contact is, and those would be, the people we would be considering quarantining and.

G

You know even on the buses there's no way we can. uh We can get six feet between everybody.

G

On the bus, so there's going to be some issues on buses and some issues in classrooms that we're not.

G

Going to be able to get six feet everywhere, and the state guidance and the cdc guidance.

G

Recognizes that and says to get six feet as much as as possible. So that's kind of where we are.

B

Hey ed, um a couple quick things: one is the weather's starting to get colder. You know.

B

There's uh some discussions and comments about you know people are gonna, be moving inside and.

B

It could be more dangerous with this pandemic. um You gave a good snapshot. Excuse me of where.

B

We've been where we are today, but the concern is okay. Where are we going? You know the rest of.

B

October into november and follow on so if you can talk a little bit about that, then the second is.

B

Can you give a reason why people would not be wearing masks and you know clearly share.

B

The value of the mask and why people would not be wearing masks at this point. So thanks yeah.

G

Commissioner, and I think uh I think there are two reasons that people don't want to wear masks and.

G

Don't want to wear them properly is one is that they're uncomfortable and I'm sorry, but there's.

G

First of all, let's start with why you should wear a mask, and there there are plenty of. There was.

G

Question about this up front about whether weather masks were helpful or not. I think there's plenty.

G

Of scientific data out there, if you go and look at it now, we know we've learned a lot about this.

G

Disease- and we know that it's primarily spread by droplets- there's still a lot of concern that.

G

People have about potentially getting it off the surfaces and things like that and I think.

G

That there are very few documented cases where somebody's caught uh caught the disease by picking.

G

It up off of the surface and that's not to say that we shouldn't wash our hands and keep our.

G

Surfaces, clean and all that type of thing, but this disease really spreads by aerosolized droplets.

G

And there's there's been a lot of studies that have shown that these philosophy.

G

Cloth face masks are extremely effective in in uh limiting the spread of those droplets and and.

G

You know there's one, that I saw that actually does a a visualize type of thing where you can.

G

See somebody with a mask on and a mask off, as as how far uh what's coming out of their mouth when.

G

They're, talking or or just breathing uh changes when somebody's wearing a cloth face covering the.

G

Other part of this is it's just. I think there are a lot of people out there that are misinformed and.

G

And uh I I've actually seen uh information that talks about how this increases your your carbon.

G

Dioxide levels and things of that nature- and it's really I mean if you look at the at the scientific.

G

Studies, there's really no risk of wearing a mask. I mean surgeons have been doing this for.

G

For years where, where they uh you know, you'd think you you'd see a a high rate of of negative health.

G

Outcomes in in all of our surgeons and whatnot that we're mass for eight 10 12 hours at a time.

G

When, when they're doing surgeries, um it's it's it's not that there's a! uh I think, there's just a.

G

False belief out there that there's some negative consequences to wearing masks and yes, there.

G

There's studies out there that say there's a high level of bacteria that that that'll wind up in a.

G

Mask but that's the bacteria that you're trying to block transmitting the other people. That's.

G

Coming out of your own body, we're all human beings, and we all have our own bacteria and and virus.

G

Secretions that that are that that we breathe and uh it's our own bacteria and whatnot, that.

G

Are going into the mask and that's the whole purpose of wearing the mask to start with? Is.

G

To keep from transmitting that to other people, so there's nothing unhealthy about.

G

Wearing a mask, it's, I think, there's some false sense out there that it is.

G

And the last thing, I guess I'd add, is there's just a uh a political push out there that some.

G

People think that this is an invasion on their freedom and, and I really think you know that.

G

We as a society have a responsibility, social responsibility to take care of each other and.

G

You know while well may not be comfortable for us to wear a mask and we might not like it.

G

We need to we've got a responsibility to take care of each other and not make each other sick.

G

It's the same thing of you know if you're sick, you shouldn't be coming to work, even though you know.

G

You might think it's the right thing to come to work you're just going to potentially make other.

G

People, sick and lower productivity because uh because then your other co-workers can't come.

G

To work because they're, sick and it's you know, I look at it the same way with wearing a mask we're.

G

Protecting each other from becoming infected, it helps us be more productive as a society. If.

G

Other people aren't sick, so I think there's some false information out there. I I think, there's.

G

Also concerns about how this infringes on people's freedom and then there's the thought that that.

G

You know it's just uncomfortable and I think we have to make this little sacrifice.

G

To try to help us all get through this pandemic, so I hope that answers your question and.

G

uh If you've got anything further, I'd be glad to try, it sure. Did you captured it very well um now.

B

uh About the changing weather and the upcoming months, um is there more risk uh that you see? I.

B

Mean it sounds like there is from everything you know I've been reading in the news, but yep I mean.

G

Since the beginning of this pandemic, everybody's been saying, including the governor that it's safer.

G

To do things outside and you know it's going to be cold, it's going to be uncomfortable and I know.

G

Some of the restaurants are looking at putting in space heaters and things like that to try to.

G

Extend their outdoor dining as much as they can, and you know, quite frankly, everybody's got to be.

G

Comfortable with their own level of risk- and I know you know- some people are comfortable with.

G

Eating indoors right now, I try to avoid that at all costs. I haven't eaten in a restaurant since.

G

Since march and other than outdoor dining- and I look for those restaurants that have made that.

G

Effort and try to go to those places, um but as the weather gets cold, it's going to get to the.

G

Point we we've talked about this with nursing home visits and whatnot. It's it's easy right now, we're.

G

Encouraging people to do outdoor visits in nursing homes but as as the weather gets colder. That's not.

G

Going to be as possible, there's only so much cold that the people can tolerate and uh we can't do.

G

Much about the weather turning colder, we just need to make sure that we try to take our precautions.

G

As best, we can and stay six feet apart as much as we can indoors, and if you can do things outdoors.

G

And with less crowds of people, that's gonna lower the amount of risk and we may see our cases tick.

G

Up as people were kind of forced indoors by the weather, but uh we all just need to kind of.

G

At least have that sense about us as the what are what our levels of risks are with with.

G

Larger crowds try try to avoid those there's still a lot of restrictions in place for for.

G

Indoor activities, um but uh the larger the crowd and the more people you're around and the more.

G

People you're exposed to uh the the higher risk of transmitting the disease getting transmitted.

G

To you and then, ultimately, you can pass it along to somebody else, and I know this is hard. I'm a.

G

I'm a very social person and I like to be around other people, but we've had to limit that and it's.

G

It's difficult for everybody and just appreciate people trying to do their part as best they can.

F

Mr singer, thanks thanks for your service, I think oliver, all of us ultimately as public servants.

F

Have the objective to save lives and I think the charts on the fatality rate show that you have.

F

Produced some really good results, but I'm curious when I look at the charts of the fatality rates.

F

Laid over by the infection rates, they don't correlate. You'd think that.

F

With the uptick in infection, there should be an uptick in fatalities and that's not happening.

F

Is that because of the the treatment and the technology has changed since the beginning.

F

When we've seen that big bell curve, what do you attribute the disproportionate.

F

Disconnection between the fatalities and the the infection rates. What do you attribute that to.

G

Well, and- and commissioner, I I am uh speculating here to some extent, one is we're, certainly not.

G

Seeing as many cases in nursing facilities where we have a very vulnerable population,.

G

And and the uh the age of people that are that are contracting, the disease is not as high as what it.

G

Was early in the pandemic, so those risk factors have gone down somewhat, and I did say earlier that.

G

I think that you know our ability to recognize and treat this disease effectively. We've learned.

G

um Somewhat and we have the antiviral drugs that are out there and some other things that that we.

G

We've learned how to better treat this disease, so I think it's a combination of things where.

G

The people who are getting infected and getting sick aren't as vulnerable population as they were.

G

Before and that we do know how to better treat this disease and and uh again the I I like the.

G

Fact that we're seeing less deaths but that's not to say that uh we're not seeing negative outcomes.

G

Still and people who have been hospitalized and potentially having long-term um respiratory.

G

Impacts and and there's also some cardiac impacts that folks are concerned about from this disease.

G

So I certainly don't want to minimize any of that, but I do think we're learning to deal with.

G

It better- and I do think that the the population- that's that's getting sick at this point is, is.

G

Is able um are less vulnerable than the folks that were getting sick earlier in this pandemic?.

F

Thank you and the latest numbers on the fatalities are 147 fatalities and 130 of.

F

Them in the congregate living facilities now that we have the contact tracing, does contract.

F

Tracing take place upon the individuals that are in a concrete congregate, living facilities and.

F

What information have we obtained from that? How are these people in these facilities contracting.

F

The disease, because I don't believe any of them- are out in the public about mass. I believe they're.

F

Contained in the facility, so what what have we learned with contract tracing and fatalities?.

G

Well, I mean, if you're talking about how folks in in nursing homes are most, you got staff to.

G

Come and go every day and you know obviously, if you just had, if you didn't, have anybody going in.

G

Or out of the facility um the risk of infection, there would be very small. uh There are two things.

G

That happen in in in long-term care facilities, where, where we wind up seeing infections and.

G

We've been doing a really, I think the facilities have been doing a much better job at in infection.

G

Control since this thing's got started, they're they're learning as well, but the uh the ways that.

G

Generally, getting into these facilities is a staff member becomes sick, and that's why they're trying.

G

To test much like the nfl is trying to test their players on a regular basis to keep from.

G

Spreading it throughout the uh football league, the the nursing homes are being required to test.

G

Their staff on a regular basis, so we can identify people and and keep them from having contact with.

G

Patients, but generally the way this has gotten into nursing homes is, as staff have brought it in.

G

uh We've had doctors bring it in, they go from nursing home to nursing home, and it's it's really.

G

Difficult when you have people working at multiple facilities and and then the the other way that it.

G

Gets in there is sometimes patients are taken out because they need treatment at a at an outpatient.

G

Facility or at a hospital, and sometimes they wind up getting it there and bringing it back.

G

um In some cases so uh or if they come in from another facility where, where they might have.

G

Been infected so um it's it's generally. I think the the majority of the cases we're seeing in.

G

Long-Term care facilities are probably coming from staff of some sort bringing it in, but it can also.

G

Come from from residents that have been either out for for some type of treatment or coming in from.

G

Another facility- and there are things that are being done- to try to mitigate that by quarantining.

G

New patients and things of that nature, but I hope that does that answer your question in some way do.

F

The facilities have a very stringent face mass policy in place to protect the the residents.

G

Absolutely absolutely I mean they they've been the most locked down group of people that you would.

G

I mean the thing that I that's really been a struggle is, is we've had a lot of folks.

G

uh Concerned about the the amount of lockdown that- and you know from march until just up to.

G

uh A week or so ago it was virtually impossible to go visit. Somebody in a nursing home now.

G

uh The uh medicaid and and uh the state have both loosened the requirements for for visitation in.

G

In nursing homes and- and uh you know, those folks have been very, very tightly uh regulated since.

G

Very early on in this pandemic- and there are people who essentially hadn't, seen their loved.

G

Ones since march, up up until just recently within the last few weeks, so it's uh you know not only.

G

Are they wearing face masks as is required, so that we're not transmitting it from one.

G

Person to another they're, also not having contact with a lot of people on the on the outside. Thanks.

F

So it'd be safe to say that the facility and his facilities in this county who've been locked down.

F

And have the most stringent face mass policies have the highest fatality rates. Is that a fact.

G

That that's true they're, also the most vulnerable type people from from a from a susceptibility.

G

Of this illness standpoint, so the people in the public who had the most vulnerable susceptibility.

F

Will most likely contract this disease with face mass as well? The general population.

F

I I I I'm not sure what you repeat: what your question is, what I'm saying is.

F

If the people in these facilities, who are the most vulnerable.

F

Who have the most stringent face? Mass policies are contracting and dying in this disease. Then.

F

Wouldn't it be a reasonable estimation that the most vulnerable citizens in our general population.

F

Who exercise face? Masks are at the same rate of potentially contracting and dynamic disease as.

F

Well well, they're, not living in congregate, living facilities and they're, not having contact with.

G

As many folks as we have in a congregant living facilities, I mean we saw outbreaks.

G

In these facilities- and this was early on in the pandemic- and we're not seeing outbreaks in.

G

Those facilities now it's well managed, but I think we're talking apples and oranges here where, where.

G

We're talking about 100 people living in close proximity in many of these nursing facilities.

G

Whereas uh you know an older person who might be more susceptible living out in the community.

G

A lot of these folks are taking precautions and they're having people pick up, groceries.

G

For them, so they have less contact with people they're not going and eating indoors with a.

G

Lot of people they're avoiding crowds, so I mean there's ways that people that that are.

G

Extremely susceptible in our in our society that are living not in congregate, living facilities.

G

Are are avoiding infections, so I'm not not sure I pledge allegiance to your question the point.

F

I want to make for people out there in the general population. Is that if you are susceptible take the.

F

Steps and procedures, like you just emphasized limit your exposure, keep the distance, and I.

F

Just want to emphasize that the face masks aren't fail-safe, that we've seen that with the congregate.

F

Living facilities- and I don't want senior citizens or people with vulnerability out in the general.

F

Population to have this false sense of security that putting all masses don't prevent them from.

F

Contracting the disease and that there's other measures that they can take to protect themselves.

F

Like I've constantly emphasized, I don't go in the stores anymore. I order online and I don't have.

F

Any pre-existing conditions, but I like to lead by example for other people out that are susceptible.

F

To take those extra measures and don't think that just putting a face mask on is going to be the.

F

The end-all to save your life, so your emphasis on those procedures is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

G

And commissioner, thank thanks for that point because, and I think that uh people need to.

G

Realize just because you put a face mask on that that doesn't substitute for trying to keep that.

G

Six foot of distance between people, because it's a combination of things and we put a whole bunch.

G

Of mitigation strategies in place to try to uh to make sure that that we can get as few people.

G

Infected as possible, and just because you're using one mitigation strategy doesn't mean that.

G

The other ones aren't just as just as important or more important in in potentially limiting the the.

G

Spread of disease, because, just because you have a face mask on doesn't mean you should get into.

G

A group of 10 people closely together, because people are still going to potentially transmit the.

G

Disease to each other, these things just help us reduce the level of risk, and none of it takes the.

G

Risk down to zero, so I think that's a very good point and I was having a hard time following your.

G

Logic at first as to where you were going, but I think that's a a very outstanding point. Thanks.

F

Yeah well, it's such a controversial issue and I think all of us feel pressure from different.

F

Constituencies and directions, so I appreciate you elaborating on that. Thank you very much.

B

I I just want to share something, though- um and this is the responsibility of wearing a face mask.

B

Is not dealing with the susceptibility of living or dying? It's the susceptibility of.

B

Getting a virus or spreading a virus and most people that get the virus live and get through. You.

B

Know whatever symptoms they may have some may be asymptomatic. Others may get some symptoms, others.

B

May get very severe symptoms and but wearing the mask does not mean that you are susceptible of.

B

Living or dying it's it's all about contracting the virus and spreading the virus. That's where.

B

The masks you know peace plays into this um and and, like you said ed, it is all our responsibility.

B

To wear the mess, so we don't spread this virus to those that may be susceptible or those that may.

B

Get the virus and then spread it to somebody else that may be susceptible, and that goes right back.

B

To the discussion we had with the schools, the kids may not be susceptible to getting severe symptoms.

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From this virus, but they could be susceptible carrying the virus to family members and and.

B

Neighbors in the community- and that I know is, is part of the risk, so the mask wearing is nothing.

B

To do with you know the severity of symptoms it has to do with the spread of this virus. Is that.

B

Pretty accurate ed, or am I off base on that? I I agree with you 100, commissioner, and and.

G

I you know the whole point of uh all the steps that we're taking are to try to limit the spread.

G

And ultimately, we don't want, we don't want anybody to have negative impact to this virus. So thanks.

E

All right any other questions for ed. The only statement that I will make is the other factor.

E

That we haven't put into this yet is the long-term effects that folks are going to have based upon.

E

This contracting this disease- you know I hate to do comparisons here, but I had a lot.

E

Of brothers and sisters, rush into the 911 twin towers, issue and years later, they're dying at.

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Unbelievable rates, so I think it's the same thing or similar with this. With this.

E

We don't know what the long-term effects are going to be and we're not going to know that for quite some time. So that's another thing to be very concerned about, and I continue to say I'm not.

E

Making this political there are people that are a lot smarter than me that went to uh to school to.

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Be doctors and health care professionals. I didn't I'm listening to them any other questions for ed.

E

All right uh ed, thank you. We also need to make the decision here. Maybe you want to.

E

Stick around just a little bit ed in case. There's conversation on this. If there's any questions, but.

G

uh Thanks, commissioners and I'll I'll I'll stay on the call- and you all can have your discussion.

E

Okay, uh we haven't gotten any other directives from the state we do make. We do need to make.

E

The decision today to extend our state of emergency, uh I'm going to continue to say.

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That I think it's important that we do so. uh I think there are a lot of federal and.

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State grants out there for reimbursement that could be in jeopardy if we don't.

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There could be a tiered effect as well that jurisdictions that are not in state of emergencies,.

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Have first dibs at those funds and those that aren't uh wouldn't be so that's one thing and two.

E

The biggest thing is the fact that we cannot become complacent here and we've got to continue.

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To to do uh to do everything that we can to have the diligence to make sure we get through this.

E

So um I'm in the mindset that that I'm not even sure this is up for debate.

E

uh In my mind, uh that I think we should um we should extend this for another.

E

30 days and I'll put that motion on the table and I'll leave it there for debate.

F

I'd like to hear from county attorney burke on this because he sent us all a.

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Printout on the local state of emergency, so I like to see some legal discussion on this.

F

You know I'm of the mindset that we need to get back to a sense of normalcy.

F

And as long as the state of emergency is in place, we've lost that that uh sense of normalcy, but I've.

F

Also been informed by mr burke that, even if we lifted our local state of emergency, we can't do.

F

Anything outside of what the governor gives us the authority to do. Mr burke, could you elaborate.

F

On those technicalities, yes, that's correct the local state of emergency, I'm going to use the.

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Word is largely symbolic: it is a declaration of the county commissioners that there's a.

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In carroll county there's, a there's, an emergency, and all that does is trigger the uh implementation.

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Of our emergency management plan and enables empowers the county commissioners to make.

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Grants and transfers pursuant to that plan to the citizens and that's it uh and, as commissioner.

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Boucher said uh repealing the local plan. Excuse me: the local state of emergency does not.

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Absolve you from following all the governor's executive orders that have been issued.

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In this matter, thank you, mr burke, because there seems seems to be a sense of confusion with some.

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Constituents out there not only mine, but my colleagues, that if we lift this local state.

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Of emergency, we have the authority to override the things the governor has issued, which we don't.

F

And even though I might disagree politically and scientifically, with some of the policies.

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Under the present state of emergency, even if we lifted it, it does not give us the authority to.

F

Change things, however, on a political sense: if we did lift the state of emergency, it does go towards.

F

Presenting a sense of normalcy to our constituents and our economy, and after looking at the numbers.

F

On the fatalities- and we flatten this curve and the fatalities are so low, it defies my logic.

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Why we stay in a state of emergency if our objective is to save lives and we have saved lives.

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And I don't see in a foreseeable future any uptick in those fatalities, because we, as we just observed.

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In the charts that there seems to be absolutely no correlation between the infection rates.

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And the fatality rates so I'd like for us to get out of this state of emergency locally as.

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An example of leadership and bring normalcy to our economy and our county. I want our economy.

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To thrive and if we're not seeing fatalities by opening up, I have the question: why are we in a.

F

State of emergency, and previously I talked about receiving a grant funding and that's helpful, but.

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I am very very fearful on the long term of the financial implications of this state of emergency.

F

Sure we can get some large s and grant money from the federal government. Was that truly going to.

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Backfill the damage we do to our economy and our receivables in the long term, and I don't think.

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It will, I think it sets a big example for the population that we, the government as an entity, get.

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Funds and eventually there's funds, that'll run out or federal government or state government, which is.

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Running the deficits cannot keep printing money and giving us things to keep us afloat like any.

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Other adult child, eventually we've got to move out on our own and sustain ourselves, and that means.

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We have to have an open, thriving economy because, what's all happened, six months in a row when we're.

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Still in a state of emergency, in the exact same position, we're in and the government finally says.

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Look, we can't keep printing money and sustain you that you're going to have to open up your economy.

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And support yourselves, so I think inevitably, the keep renewing these states of emergencies.

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Is constantly kicking the can down the road to what eventually, to hope that one day a vaccine is.

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Created and we all know, the percentage of vaccines have success and and lack of success. I just don't.

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Think waiting until a vaccine comes about is the uh the golden thing. That's all save us. I.

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Think it's endemic upon us to start opening our economy up and getting back to normalcy. Now, so I.

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Would like to end the local state of mercy, mainly as a political statement towards the governor that.

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We have good numbers and our fatalities are down and that we, as responsible adults in our county.

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Can operate our economy and maintain the health and safety of our citizens. So I'd like to get out.

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Of this state of emergency and be the leader in the state to show other jurisdictions, they.

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Can do the same thing, because ultimately, their responsibility is public safety and saving lives.

F

And I think we've done that so far and it was just shown a minute ago that there's absolutely.

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No correlation between the face mass policies and the fatalities, because, where the lockdowns are the.

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Strongest and the face mass policies are strongest or we have where we have the highest fatalities.

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So there's no logical correlation between the two and even if we do see infections go up. I think.

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It's gonna be okay for us as long as you're in a lower age bracket, you're, not in a high-risk zone,.

F

So, for political reasons and economic reasons on the long-term safety and.

F

Well-Being of our economy, I'd like for us to get out of this state of emergency.

B

Let me um add on a couple things chris uh commission boucher. I agree with a lot of what you.

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Shared and I agree with the intent of what you're trying what I believe you're trying to get to you.

B

Use the words economy, safety, security. Now you and I have had the conversations I don't use. The word.

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Constituents because it doesn't make too much sense to me it's about community and neighbors.

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And family and friends, I don't think of it as politics, especially at the county. I think of it as.

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Resource management and focused on safety, security and promoting quality of life for our community.

B

And our county- and I think we're doing that so with all those things in mind, I don't believe.

B

That carroll county needs to make a statement to our governor, who, I believe, is trying with.

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His administration to build the economy continue a safe and secure environment.

B

There are things that I may not agree with. You know that has gone on, but that's regardless.

B

um It and as mr burke shared that it sounds like it's symbolic uh in a sense and for me.

B

There's no reason not to continue if we're focused on what I believe is true and that.

B

Is safety, security economy, quality of life, resource management with the budget.

B

So, there's no need to not continue a state of emergency because it's not going to change.

B

Anything it's not about constituents, it's not about politics. I you know, like I said I used.

B

To be a special ed teacher than a soldier, so correlation doesn't really make a whole.

B

Lot of sense, I know it's a big word deal with math, but um I don't it's a word. I don't use so.

B

I just you know, am thinking that uh we should maintain um not status quo and- and I know that's.

B

Where you, you are stuck because you don't want status quo either, and I don't think any of us do.

B

We should not. We should continue to look forward on how to promote the economy. The quality of life.

B

um Look at the resources that we're going to have available to us, especially going into next budget.

B

Season which is right around the corner, believe it or not, um so I don't want any distractions.

B

In doing that, and one of those distractions would be to try to make any sort of statement at this.

B

Point when there's no need to make a statement so continuing a state of emergency allows us.

B

To keep the emergency, uh you know protocols and processes in in place. uh It doesn't.

B

Affect anybody, so you know for those again. I agree with a lot what you said, but I see the.

B

Getting there getting to that finish line, it's just a different path, and um but you know you're.

B

You're spot on, when you talk about quality of life, you talk about the community or you know uh the.

B

Economy, safety and security- um and I don't want to- I- don't- want to uh back away from that so yeah.

B

Steve, if you made that motion, I will second that motion and we can continue on this discussion.

B

But we have a motion and a second. At this point, I would like to add to the discussion.

A

Since the state of emergency and- and I think you all know how I feel about this- because I've been.

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Vocal about this at the beginning, I thought it was necessary. I don't think it's necessary.

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Any longer I really don't, schools are going back, recreational activities are going on.

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A lot of things are moving forward in this county. The state of emergency is just symbolic. There.

A

Have been no funds attached to being in a state of emergency? There's no indication that there.

A

Will be any funds attached to being in a state of emergency, so I just we've: we've been in it for a.

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Whatever five or six months and at first I thought it was very necessary and we did it and I thought.

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It was a great great thing to help us streamline some stuff. I don't see the need anymore. I really.

A

Don't- and I I I already think, I know how the vote's going to go and that's fine. I just want.

A

To express my my thoughts here because of the way the economy I mean we're in phase three now.

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Phase three a but we're still at phase 3. things are moving forward. It's it's just a symbolic state.

A

Of emergency, why keep it and there's? You know the well like why? Why do away with it? I can go back.

A

And forth on that all day, I just don't think it's necessary. I really don't with it with everything.

A

uh The way it's moving forward and I'll stop there. Okay, if I can just add a little bit here,.

D

You know there's no right or wrong answers in this we're all going through this pandemic. I mean story.

D

Is a two-week process and now we're six months or more into it, and we don't have the right answers.

D

We don't have the wrong answers, but we're all trying to do the best we can to get through it.

D

I don't see you know the state of emergency in our economy, our economy's coming back. We are.

D

Working uh the schools are coming back, things are starting to move, I think in the right direction.

D

um Most things now some businesses are every business is different because.

D

Most businesses, I think, are starting to move in the right direction. What's the rush to take this.

D

uh Eliminate this right now, I'd like to see you know, schools will be back in two weeks and see how.

D

They evolve and where we go, um the emergence, the state of emergency, as you said, is symbolic, really.

D

Doesn't mean much to us at this point, but yet is there a rush to get rid of it? It's not going to.

D

Mean anything uh whether we have it or don't. I think we're going to just be a little easier.

D

To deal with an issue, if it pops up in the next couple weeks, I'd like to see schools get back I'd.

D

Like to see uh where we are in a couple weeks before we uh um deal with that one here and.

D

I I just don't see the uh the major push, what you're going to do for us. Well, if, if I can.

F

I'd like to add that you know what last month there was a 50 increase in drug overdoses in.

F

The county that there is a psychological impact of this upon our economy and our constituents.

F

There's increasing anxiety, there's an increase in depression, there's more people dying of drug.

F

Overdoses in our county right now than covet 19 patients and, I think, there's a direct correlation.

F

Between their lock downs, the enforcement of masks and the psychological impact, it's having upon.

F

Our economy, with the increase of alcohol and drug addiction and the overdoses in our economy, I think.

F

That the we have inflicted a cure that is causing more damage upon our citizenry than its cure.

E

So then it's your recommendation that we stop everything. Is that correct commissioner? Boucher.

E

Because the masks are causing overdoses and the best practices are causing, so you want to stop.

E

Everything is that that's is this. That thing is that, where you're going, because the other.

E

Thing with you and your your little economic comparison, we've got the lowest unemployment rate.

E

In the state of maryland right now, uh small businesses are coming back restaurants, while.

E

They're struggling are doing a pretty good job so based on the fact that we're doing well.

E

What is I, I assume out of your statements that you just want to stop.

E

Everything- and I guess that goes in line with the fact that you don't wear a mask anywhere.

F

Let me emphasize that back in june I attended a rally to open up small businesses.

F

And not one of my colleagues here attended that rally and one of the reasons was we.

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Were told, oh, if businesses open up there'll be more hospitalizations, more fatalities.

F

The same thing with a little league rally I attended. None of my colleagues attended that we.

F

Were warned the exact same thing and after those businesses opened and after little league opened.

F

There was no mass hospitalizations, there was no fatalities attached to it. I just feel that we have.

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Policies in place that have no scientific link and the fact that the congregate living facilities.

F

Represent 90 percent of fatalities, and they have the mass as proof that my position is correct. On.

F

This and I'm not stating that we need to blow everything open right away. What I'm stating is.

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That this board and its responsibility needs to stop staying in a status quo and start developing.

F

An exit strategy incrementally get out of this, just like the restaurants opening up just like.

F

Little league opening up there are certain steps that we have to take and ultimately it.

F

Should come down to the individual discretion of citizens as to whether they want to wear a mask.

F

Or not, if you're in a high-risk category, we're a mass I'm also a strong advocate of businessmen.

F

Setting their own policy, if you have a business and you want mandatory mass, you should have it if.

F

You have a business that you want optional. That's your your right to choose because I don't see any.

F

Correlation whatsoever in the scientific data we've seen, but the increase in the infection.

F

Rates are resulting in fatalities. It's there in black and white. We just seen it this morning.

F

But incrementally we need to start figuring out how to get out of this and get back to our normal.

F

State of life- hey eric um again, there are things that you're saying. I absolutely agree with.

B

There's a couple things that I do want to share. One is high-risk individuals wearing masks. That's.

B

Not where masks will come into play, it's people wearing masks, so they do not spread the virus.

B

To high-risk individuals, it's it's all of, and this where mr singer shared. It's all our responsibility.

B

So we do not spread the viruses, not that we do not get the virus. It's that we do not spread. That's.

B

Why it's all our responsibilities to wearing the masks? So we don't spread it if you're high risk.

B

Like you said, limit your vulnerabilities by going in places and things like that, but.

B

Wearing the mask is not about somebody. Who's high risk, it's about spreading it to somebody.

B

Who can be then become vulnerable, so that's the importance of wearing the mask. It's it's! The it's.

B

The transmit not the receive the rallies, I'm not sure I know about the one rally you talk about.

B

But I'm not into rallies, but I will share- and you know this- I'm a huge advocate of small business.

B

Growth and development- and we have put three and a half million dollars into that so far, uh 900 000.

B

From our own coffers and then from the care act, so we as a county, have promoted small business growth.

B

From day one- and we were in the forefront of that across the state um because of jack and his team's.

B

uh You know processes that they put in place, but because of our direction that we allowed him to go.

B

As far as the football and recreational sports, we all got those messages. I was in constant contact.

B

With the recreation program's um leadership uh in finding ways to get them going in the right.

B

Direction, and we finally did it, wasn't about a rally from one group of westminster, but it was.

B

About the whole entire county, getting recreation programs back in place where, where we can uh allow.

B

Them to participate- and I I know for me- um spent a lot of time with uh the recreation leadership.

B

um To to get him there, so it's yeah, I I understand the point about a rally, but us not attending rally.

B

Doesn't mean that we were not that we were turning our back to the situation. We, uh I think, as a group.

B

Have been very uh aggressive on both both of those fronts but getting back to that mask I'm I'm.

B

Very specific on that it ain't about receiving the illness and the virus. It's about transmitting it.

B

And that's why it's all our responsibilities. So I have to say, I think, we're getting.

A

Off topic here, because the state of emergency has nothing to do with wearing masks or social.

A

Distancing or anything else, it doesn't have anything to do with that and as far as the rallies.

A

Go, commissioner, I don't think you're the only one near it there look at the uh recreational thing. I.

A

Think I was there with you as well, though um yeah I'm sorry I I spoke, but dennis was there that my.

F

Apologies dennis was there he's very much into sports and my sincere apologies, but but this has.

A

Really is having to do with all that. It really doesn't we're still going to do best practices.

A

I always talk about the numbers and wearing masks almost every single uh priority care.

A

I talk about that all the time or maybe not all the time, but most of the time. I because I think.

A

It's extremely important, but has nothing to do with that, and you know we could go round and.

A

Round with this, we have a long agenda we've. We stated our our views on this. I think we should.

A

Call it and to say to say emergency, but let's call the vote. If that's okay with everybody else,.

E

Yeah, I'm I'm more than ready to do that and the last thing I will say is being called out for not.

E

Standing somewhere with a sign and raw rawing uh is not the way I roll. I roll by personally.

E

Connecting to the folks that are that are directly involved, uh I'm not a big rally. Guy.

E

So I've made that quite clear to to many groups as well, and I don't know what point that makes.

E

I'm not sure where that was going with that. So don't don't understand why rally is a huge big.

E

Deal because the only thing rallies accomplish is is make a point to the folks that are at the rally.

E

uh So I've asked I've heard that you want to count. You want to call for the vote so we'll do that.

E

We've got a motion and second, to continue for 30 days.

E

Our state of emergency, those in favor of that motion.

E

And opposed okay, that's three to two and we will be in the state of emergency for another 30 days.

E

Anything else on covet. I just want to say president lance thanks for the dialogue.

F

Debate, even though we occasionally disagree all of us, I think it's so vitally important.

F

That this discussion took place and I'm very happy it took place. So, thanks to my colleagues.

F

For having this discussion publicly, so uh our constituents can consume it. So thank you very much.

E

Anything else on covet all right: let's get to the relief fund, uh roberta.

C

Good morning, gentlemen, um I'm gonna be joined by uh debbie sanders, as always, our wonderful grants.

C

Manager and jack wyburn, um not a lot changed in the last week with regard to the relief fund and.

C

The plan we have families um still the same and being implemented as we had originally originally.

C

Made it out we are about halfway through and from the time it was first awarded to us and.

C

The time it needs to end and be spent, um and so we're staff is in the process of assessing, where.

C

Where we all stand on all the projects, whether it's um counting directly or affiliated agencies,.

C

Towns et cetera, so we've reached back out to all of the agencies. We originally included in the plan.

C

And are asking for a basically a mid-term accounting. um We expect to have all that.

C

Information by the end of next week and um and then some recommendations to the board um for.

C

Any adjustments to the plan based on that account um for the week of the 20th thursday 22nd.

C

So unless you have any questions with regard to that, I will turn.

C

It over to jack liver and give you a little update on the last week or possibly last week, of.

J

Commissioners, uh good morning last week, last wednesday we cut off the portal and you said.

J

Too extended another week we extended until uh last night at five o'clock.

J

uh Last week, since we opened it back up, we received 10 businesses, um two non-profits.

J

And 12 farms for a total of 24. so total since last wednesday, and we did shut it down last night.

J

At five o'clock that gives us a total of 535 businesses, 41 non-profits and 123 farms. However,.

J

We still have 41 businesses, farms, nonprofits, all the total, but 41 that we're missing documents on.

J

And that total comes to about 225 thousand dollars, if all those 225 000 would come in it would give.

J

Us a bill still, our total about three million five is, is a good number. So what I'm asking.

J

Is that you give us, don't open the portal back up but give us two weeks to go back and we we have.

J

Sent memos we have sent emails, we have tried to call uh these 41 people in this and for missing.

J

Documents, I'd like to have at least two weeks keep the portal closed, but go back to these 41.

J

Applicants and see if we can clean that up and then come back to you in two weeks with a total.

J

Like to give them time to come back with the documents we've been working with them,.

J

Three of them are tax issues we had 10 as of last week, and we we cleaned up.

J

Seven of them, um but still have like I said, 41 applicants are missing some kind of documents.

A

I think that sounds very reasonable. I mean they've already put to submit.

A

The paperwork they just don't have it all in. We can certainly wait for them to get.

A

All the paperwork in if they intend to do it, I don't see a problem with that- is that emotion.

A

Yeah we're okay with this. I think you know jack, uh I'm getting tired of uh complimenting you and.

B

Your team, but it's uh you're, doing phenomenal- and I am I am so proud being part of this community.

B

And what you've done for small businesses from again what we discussed uh early on to.

B

How you're dealing with the cares act? Funds um yeah. I agree if that's your best uh judgment at.

B

This point recommendation, you know to you, know, take care of those businesses that have put in.

B

You know and give you guys the opportunity to take care of them. Why not? That makes perfect.

B

Sense but again just thank you uh for all the work and your team is doing and taking care of these.

B

Businesses in the county- well, this has really been a team sport on this one.

J

um Everyone has really stepped up, and um you know our mission is to uh occur. He didn't promote you.

J

Know, businesses, our farms and our nonprofits and I think, uh we're there with your leadership also.

J

um But I mean some of these documents, so you're you're right, commissioner fraser. They might be.

J

Missing one one page of this, but they've done most of the hard part, but.

J

I'd like to give them another two weeks and um not come back with a report with.

J

You next week, but in two weeks I can give you a final report and tell you but we're looking.

J

Somewhere around, if everybody comes in about that three million five mark, it hasn't changed so yeah.

F

Mr lieberman, thanks for giving me a tour of the process of how you were uh processing the.

F

Applications to reassure people out there having seen that operation that there's stringent quality.

F

Control in place that this isn't just willy-nilly, there's a checklist, there's a process. There's.

F

Multiple people reviewing these applications, so I was very much impressed with the process.

F

And procedure you have in place, so thank you very much. Thank you. I agree. Jack 700, not quite 700,.

D

Businesses you hit out here, and I it's uh has to help the economy. Well, that doesn't include the.

J

Round the first round, when we gave out almost uh 900 000 there, this is the second round, so.

E

Okay, anything else for jack. I have one more comment: it's not covered related or rebound.

J

But uh remember um gave you an update. Last week we start tomorrow night with uh stopped by from.

J

uh Three to seven at the farm museum: we have seven food trucks, um please stop by and take.

J

Your dinner home or stay out there and eat it's gonna, be a nice night to sit at the farm museum.

E

There's a commercial for food truck friday at the farm museum. Yes, I think that's important.

J

It's good for the citizens. It might be good to get out it's going to be a nice evening tomorrow, night.

E

That's a lot of f's in that food truck friday farm museum. Okay, I like that. Thank you.

E

All right, uh roberta anything else from your end on this uh covered relief funding, nope.

C

Everything else is just staying the course. Okay, all right, very good. Thank you. uh We'll.

E

We'll move uh we'll move on now. uh Next on our agenda is approval for purchase of long-term and.

E

Permanent barrier solutions in our high traffic areas throughout the county office building.

E

And I see jason green. Our deputy director works for jason I'll turn it over to you.

K

Good morning, commissioners, uh we're before you this morning to uh request.

K

The board of commissioners approve us to utilize the duron inc contract.

K

To install these particular to actually uh supply and install these particular.

K

Cubicles in the amount of twenty eight thousand eight hundred ninety seven dollars- and yes, two.

K

Cents, um this work will include adding cubicles and or glass particular structures at a lot of.

K

Our front desk areas, as you were, are aware back when the pandemic started. We initially installed.

K

Some sneeze guards and some other temporary tight measures with plexiglass and and the like,.

K

This particular project is really to make these permanent solutions for these areas.

K

So be much more professional and also add additional safety features for these.

K

For these particular employees and when visitors are allowed back into the buildings.

K

So with that I'll, I'm glad to answer any questions uh you may have uh just one other small detail.

K

Some of these will be installed on existing desks. So there's a glass.

K

Glass enclosure on the existing desk and some of them will actually be a cubicle with fabric up to.

K

About 50 inches and then glass material above that mark, in order to provide this protection.

E

Okay, questions for jason, hey jason. Was this a competitive bid.

K

uh This was a term contract through duron, which would use them frequently for furniture and other.

K

Other cubicle supplies in the county hospital. Okay, thanks and this is cares, funding right.

E

Jason, this is not coming out; this is there is. There is no that's correct, it is funny. Okay,.

E

Right any other questions for jason on this project.

A

F

I was waiting on weaver.

E

All right, I've got a motion. Second, uh we're experiencing a little bit of technical difficulty.

E

Too, here probably but we'll get through that uh all those in favor of this motion.

E

Unanimous, thank you. Jason.

E

All right uh heat pumps for the north carol library who we got on for that.

F

Where's, mr mcdonald, there he is there's justin and he has a nice tie on. Thank you very much. Justin.

F

Good morning, good morning, how's everybody doing okay uh before we get your presentation I'll turn.

E

It over to maureen in uh purchasing uh to give the presentation on on the heat pumps, maureen.

L

Good morning, um yes, we went and solicited bids to remove, relocate and replace two water source.

L

Heat pumps at the north carol library we're requesting your approval to award a contract.

L

To rummel construction llc in the amount of 73 966 to complete this work, the cost includes all labor.

L

Materials and equipment- and this is within the budget and then justin, I'm sure, can answer your.

L

Questions morning, commissioners, we are asking for your approval for the removal and the installation.

M

Of the two water source heat pumps located at the north carol library, these two units have been.

M

Probably in that building since day, one roughly 30 years old, um the average life expectancy of these.

M

Average heat pump units commissioners are roughly 20 years, so we definitely got our money's worth.

M

Out of these units, uh the heat pump manufacturer that we're going to be installing is water furnace.

M

Water furnace has a five-year warranty on the compressor and one year warranty on all parts.

M

Rommel construction located in lithic of maryland has been in business stalling mechanical equipment.

M

For 50-plus years, um what questions may you have on this project? Have we used ramel construction.

A

Before we have not, commissioner, this is the first time we uh rommel bid for us that hasn't done any.

M

Work for us, um so we did our due diligency and did some background checks on them and made sure.

M

The references were all good to go um and followed up on some other emails and their pictures of work.

M

That they have performed- um and it seems like they are a very well fitted company to perform this.

M

Workforce right I mean the main reason I'm asking is because of the difference in the two bids that.

A

We've received but exactly and uh then that's all I need to know yeah and I took notice of that too.

F

Mr mcgowan, I appreciate you giving me the tour that facility because it really put in perspective.

F

Of how complex and complicated that job is that the existing units being replaced or up in the.

F

Ceiling they've got disassemble them in pieces and feed them down through to take them out of.

F

The building, so I think that might be attributable. Why there's a big price difference between the the.

F

Second quote: because of how complex it is, so that price that we're receiving is quite exceptional,.

F

Being involved in a mechanical contract and that contractors don't be able to go in there and.

F

Disassemble the old units as tough as it's going to be, I think, there's also you showed me there's.

F

A bump out in the floor plan, could you describe that for everyone as well yeah, so these units are.

M

Located in a uh mesoline um roughly eight feet above the mechanical room and my techs need to.

M

Get up there and lay on their bellies to perform these uh tasks that we do on these units daily.

M

And what we're proposing is we're going to remove them out of this mesoline area.

M

Which is not really safety and we're going to put them in a new built mechanical room down.

M

On the ground floor, so it's going to be easier to maintain long-term puts our.

M

Employees, out of the risk of climbing up on a mesoline and doing some some major work up.

M

Where they don't need to be, if they don't have to be, thank you for explaining that.

D

um With that, uh commissioner boucher, uh you have to visit the fengsburg library too, between.

D

That and north carolina, you have two of the best libraries in the county, uh but with that I'd like.

D

To move that the uh board of commissioners award contract to heat pumps for north carol library to.

D

Rommel construction llc in amount of 73 966. Second, all right, any other questions. All of us in favor.

E

Okay, thanks justin. Thank you have a great day. Thank you. A six-man crew cab, steak body truck.

E

And mr myers and keith bogle are on here mike good morning good morning, commissioners yeah we'd, like.

N

To request your approval toward the purchase of a six-man crew cab, state body, truck to apple forward.

N

In the amount of 57 200 um county, without the bid receive four bids and apple was the lowest bidder.

O

Morning, commissioners, this truck is for the roads department. This is going to replace a 2011.

O

Ford f550 state body it currently has 130 4 000 miles on it. Roads, crews use this to transport.

O

People and materials out to the job site holds all their signs. Their sign holders, their rakes.

O

Their shovels pretty much anything they need when they're out there on the job.

E

Okay, any questions for keith.

D

No I'll move the uh board of commissioners uh award to contract for purchase of one new six-man.

D

Crew cab, a stake body truck to apple ford, the amount of 57 200.

E

Seconds all right, all those in favor.

E

All right, thank you. Moving on to two one ton extended cab trucks with dump bodies mike.

N

Thank you. Yep now, we'd like to request your approval to award the purchase of two new.

N

One-Time extended cab trucks with dump bodies to apple ford again in the total amount of 184 390.

N

um As the bids are listed on your uh briefing paper there, the.

N

Trucks are 92 195 dollars, a peak apple was the lowest bidder again.

O

And good morning, commissioners, one of these trucks is going to go to facilities and it's.

O

Going to replace a 2009, gmc 3500, um the facilities truck is going to be moved over the farm museum.

O

We had to take the foreign museum's truck out of service last year, because the rust.

O

And its general condition, it wasn't worth the cost to fix it.

O

So we sent that one to auction and we're gonna move this one from facilities over there.

O

They use it for plowing and salting, and the other vehicle will be going to the landfill.

O

It's gonna replace a 2009, chevy pickup truck that currently has a salter on it, and this vehicle is.

O

Being it's used daily use of the landfill it's going to also be used for firing and salting.

O

And this one will be sent to auction because the rust on this vehicle necessitated its replacement.

E

Plowing and salting rough on pickup trucks or any kind of truck.

F

I agree: salting is very damaging to the vehicles. I moved at the board of commissioners award a.

F

Contract for the purchase of two new one-ton extended cabs with dump body to apple ford,.

F

In the amount of 184 thousand three hundred ninety dollars, second, second, all those in favor.

E

Unanimous all right, moving on to an f250, extended cap, pickup.

E

Mike okay now we'd like to request your approval to award the purchase of a.

N

New ford f250 extended cab, pickup again to apple ford in the amount of 32 595 dollars.

N

This one we are purchasing off the state of maryland contract, which they competitively bid.

O

Again, this vehicle will be going to the landfill. It is replacing a 2008 ford, f-250.

O

That has over 100 000 miles. um It's currently used primarily by the solid waste foreman.

O

But others throughout the operation also use this truck.

E

Okay, any questions on this vehicle, I'm kind of partial to ford f250, extended cab, pickups.

E

uh I'll make I'll make the notion that we award the contract for that vehicle.

E

uh To apple ford, again right mike, that was apple, ford. uh Thirty two.

E

Thousand five hundred ninety five dollars a second second, all right, all those in favor.

E

Unanimous once again buying a lot of trucks today, the next one is a one freightliner 114, sd, roll-off.

E

Refuge truck mike, thank you, yeah. Well now, we'd like to award the purchase of a freightliner 114.

N

Sd roll off refuge truck at johnson truck center in the amount of 172 755 dollars.

N

Again, we're purchasing this one off the state of maryland contract, which was competitively dead.

O

Commissioners, this truck is also going to go to the landfill.

O

It's going to replace a 2004 international rolloff truck, which currently has 279 thousand miles.

O

uh The vehicle is primarily used to haul waste and recycling containers from the.

O

Homeowner used areas to the landfill or transfer stations. This truck also hauls.

O

Leachate and it can accommodate one of their portable skin mounted leech, hauling tanks.

E

How many, how many miles did that thing? Does that truck have on it keith that.

E

You're, replacing did you say, 200 and something 279, 000. good grief way overdue for that truck.

D

That's not money, you go a half million, it lasts a lot longer when you don't salt and plow with them.

O

Yeah put it on the farm. I I moved that the board of commissioners award a contract for the purchase.

F

Of one new freightliner uh 114, sd roll off refuge truck the johnson truck center and the amount.

F

Seven hundred 172 fifty five dollars. Second, all right, all those in favor of this vehicle.

E

Unanimous once again mike, thank you cliff thanks for being on well. Thank you very much.

P

For the uh for the vote I want to just if I can take a second to thank keith and mike.

P

You know in everything they're doing to help us right size. The fleet.

P

At solid waste, we've had a number just looking back. We had probably 12 vehicles.

P

That still needed to be replaced as a fiscal 20.. So we're judiciously reviewing everything.

P

That we have in the fleet, but also with their help. You know looking at ways to to do rust, protection.

P

And other things to corrosion protection to get these vehicles to last a little longer at least.

P

It'd be in better condition when it comes time to turn them in. So thank everybody very much.

E

And since we're ahead of schedule now cliff.

E

uh Just a brief update, if you will on the landfill as we continue to move through the.

E

Pandemic uh things uh rolling right along out there we haven't heard from you lately.

P

uh It was gonna say having trouble with the camera, no we're uh we're doing well. uh The customer.

P

Accounts are, I don't want to say they're back to normal, but they're down significantly uh from what.

P

We were during the height of the pandemic when everybody was home, uh we're still seeing some.

P

Elevated numbers here and there, but uh you know we are doing well. Okay, very good. I know commission.

E

Weren't you dick you were out there. I was just out there last week and I just want to say the people.

D

With the scale house, I just I can't say enough about what they did the way they were helpful.

D

They are ideal what I would say: ideal county employees very pleasant, helpful trying to.

D

Help everybody get to where they need to go, and just thank them again for me. If you get a chance.

P

We'll certainly do that, on behalf of the entire board, we have a tremendous team across the site.

P

uh Especially in the scale house, the waymasters are a very tight-knit group.

P

You know they look out for us for ourselves. They look out for the customers.

P

uh But but also realize that they are the, you know the first face of the county when the customers.

P

Come in and they take that responsibility very seriously, but we'll definitely pass that along.

P

Thank you and and uh and cliff I went in stealth. uh I was undercover and uh they they treated.

E

Me incredibly well and then, when I came back through again, they had realized who I was uh so.

E

uh So again kudos to them they they they're doing an awesome job out there. Thank you very much.

E

Okay, all right: we go from uh vehicles to software uh judicial dialogue, software.

E

Maintenance and support renewal and mike myers and then we'll see who else pops up here mike.

N

Thank you yep. We just need to renew our annual software maintenance and support renewal with.

N

Judicial dialogue systems, so we do that with the actual company judicial dialogue systems.

N

In the amount of twenty five thousand seven hundred seven dollars and ninety seven cents.

E

Okay, I don't see any, is I don't see anybody from.

M

There's yeah, I think we've got kelly here from yeah. Yeah just saw kelly pop up, hey kelly, unmute.

E

You're, muted, there you go so yeah. Give us a brief description on this one. Please thanks.

H

Sure um it currently takes care of all of our software maintenance for our judicial.

H

Dialogue as far as billing, but the actual software itself is the main software case.

H

File system that the state's attorney uses on a daily basis for our prosecution, prep, coordinating.

H

With officers just basically it's our software that we use day-to-day um to prosecute our cases.

E

All right any questions for kelly.

E

All right I'll make the motion award the contract for the.

E

Judicial dialogue, software maintenance and support renewal to judicial dialogue systems.

E

25 707 and 97 cents. Second, all right, all those in favor.

E

Okay, thanks kelly thanks for popping on bobby thanks, sorry glad I could be bye.

E

All right uh that moves us to our next agenda item and we uh we had a prior briefing on this back on.

E

September, the 24th- and uh that was the discussion that we had had actually through our our budget.

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Session previously this this spring and uh commissioner frazier was unable to attend that day.

E

And we wanted to bring it back up again, uh just to get the um just just to get the.

E

The uh the results here of what we're looking for and make the decision, as as it pertains.

E

To whether or not we're going to revisit the budget based on any changes that we have seen.

E

Whether it's we're status quo and moving quickly- and I think ed you said it.

E

uh Earlier this morning, uh budget season will be here. It's right around the corner.

E

So um you know, I think that, based on a decision, I think that's where we were going, but I wanted.

E

To give the um respect for dennis to weigh in here as well, since he was not uh there.

E

That day, so I know ted's on here, I know deb is on here uh the four of us sort of discussed. It.

E

At length so uh to make this kind of easy dennis, I know you reviewed that debate that day, uh but.

E

I'll open it up to you, commissioner, frazier, on any questions that you might have for deb or ted.

A

Well, to be frank, after after watching it and hearing your discussion, which was very thorough,.

A

I thought I really don't have anything additional to ask. I thought it was covered very well.

A

And I guess I could just leave it at that. Okay, so, based on that, uh I think to my other colleagues.

E

Commissioner, boucher rasteen and weber, I believe that we got to the general consensus that day.

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uh That we would be maintaining uh the the level of budgetary involvement that we have.

E

At this point and revisit uh come marchish, uh which will be here before you know it.

E

Saying that we are gonna have some some uh we're working on perhaps having some some work sessions.

E

uh In early early early spring or late winter, uh to get us up to speed before we begin that.

E

That uh arduous task again next year, but at this point I think that's where we all were correct.

E

Me if I'm wrong and if that's the case, I'm not sure we need a formal vote. I think we just say.

E

We're moving on and we'll see you all in the in late winter. It sounded reasonable to you guys.

F

I just want to thank president wants for having the foresight back when we did the budget.

F

To set this up and come back and review this because of the situation, we're in.

F

So thank you for the leadership on that and bring it back for the public eye to make sure that we're.

F

Thorough in our deliberations- and I appreciate the fact that this was put on the agenda because.

A

I missed that particular meeting in case I had any questions to bring up and I do appreciate that.

A

But, like I said you guys discussed it pretty well, okay, all right! Thank you. Thank you to my.

E

Colleagues, on that, all right, we're moving on uh reimbursement from the state emergency number.

E

Systems board again- and this is for phone system position, relocation- and I guess uh mr campbell.

E

Our director of public service, I'll, let you set the stage- I mean public safety and uh jack.

E

Is on here as well scott good morning, jack good morning good morning, commissioner and sir, could.

Q

I digress for like 30 seconds of something I know that's very important to you. No thanks.

E

Certainly, go ahead all right and I'll take the hit for this. We should have mentioned this sooner, but.

Q

This week is national fire prevention week and the the the theme as you're as you're, familiar.

Q

uh Every year they come up with a very applicable theme, and this year it's serve up fire safety in.

Q

The kitchen national fire prevention week is always the week of october, the 9th, because it.

Q

Come right, yeah commemorates the 1871 great chicago fire, so I apologize that we didn't.

Q

Think that to bring that forward uh sooner. But I think, as everyone would agree that when you.

Q

Have these uh like prevention, recognition uh events, whether it's a week a day a month.

Q

It really is a year-round effort. Fire prevention should not be something that we only focus on.

Q

Once in a while, so I apologize for not bringing a bit sooner, but I just felt it was applicable.

Q

To say that we are in the midst of it, and uh I sure hope that the folks here in carroll county.

Q

Are very attentive to their fire prevention efforts. Wasn't the chicago fire caused by a.

F

Cow kicking a lantern or something like that, so mr larry's cow. I remember teaching about this and.

A

As a teacher in school this time every year we're talking about it all, the kids are interested when.

A

I was at the elementary school level, that's what I'm talking about and we'd bring it up and we.

A

Talked about cows and lanterns and straw, and the fire and wooden houses and so forth. And it was.

A

It's it's so anyway. You just got me off the topic, so mr weaver keep your cows away from the lanterns.

D

Times have changed.

E

Yeah, that was that was mrs o'leary's cow and uh commissioner, you say that became.

E

Extremely political up there in chicago uh anyway.

E

uh I appreciate you bringing that up uh scott and you know unfortunately,.

E

With all things coveted, some things have taken a back seat, and this is something.

E

That certainly should not take a back seat and, typically in carroll, uh we put a huge emphasis.

E

On fire prevention and fire prevention week to the extent any of our fire stations open their doors.

E

And have uh events uh to bring lynn but but again as a as a result of covet that has uh added a.

E

Level of challenge so uh appreciate you bringing that up. We need to get that word out to remind.

E

Folks and the kitchen fire thing is huge. I can't tell you how many times I've been on kitchen fires.

E

It's it can lead to a lot of damage, and I think the emphasis too is on the senior population.

E

uh And kitchen fires uh and making sure that the safety uh is there for that. So thank you. Scott for.

E

That and uh appreciate it, and we want to remind all our citizens to remain uh to remain in tune.

E

With all things, fire prevention, so thanks now on to the uh ensb funding scott, yes, sir.

Q

And I'm very happy to say, uh commissioner: I apologize if you acknowledge him, but uh jack brown.

Q

Has also joined us, our emergency communications manager and jack. Am I correct? It's maryland.

Q

911 board is the new official title maryland october 1st. So, as you can see, commissioners.

Q

There's actually a change instead of the state emergency number systems board. As of october 1,.

Q

As it says, in a brief, it's the maryland 911 board, which I believe if I'm correct jack, was an attempt.

Q

To standardize how these regulatory boards are recognized, so it everyone will know what we're.

Q

Referring to whether it's the maryland or the pennsylvania or whatever, is that correct or is.

Q

This limited just to maryland change. It is just a maryland change, but it was. It was clarification.

R

More clarification on the roles and responsibilities of the border.

I

Okay, so in the future commissioners, I anticipate you'll, hear us coming.

Q

Before you asking you to accept monies from the maryland number one board to that point,.

Q

Very simple: this: this presentation: this item is a request that you, please accept: 12, 285.72 cents.

Q

Offered in the form of reimbursement from the uh maryland 911 board, this is a a component of the.

Q

Much larger project to add 10, additional working, consoles or workstations in between our two, our.

Q

Primary and alternate urenchy communication center. Admittedly, this dollar amount may not.

Q

Have required, commissioner action, but for full transparency. And because it is part of a much much.

Q

Larger project we felt was only appropriate to come before the board and ask you to please.

Q

Formally accept these funds, so we can continue to proceed with this very important project.

A

I hate accepting free money like that, but I think we should do it.

Q

Thank you for taking one for the team, commissioner. I appreciate that.

E

Is that a motion I mean the board of commissioners except the uh reimbursement from the state.

D

Ensp and authorized director of public safety to receive what the work has proposed.

D

Second, all right got a motion in a second all, those in favor.

E

That's unanimous: I was just getting used to that acronym ensb so and then now.

E

It's going to be maryland, 9-1-1, which I got to say rolls so much better off the tongue, so.

E

uh That that was a good move on behalf of you and your colleagues so well done.

E

And we do appreciate the fact that you continue to be engaged with that group at a higher level.

E

And the money that we are seeing as a result of your efforts and the things that we are seeing.

E

To help enhance our 9-1-1 centers, both primary and secondary, is uh it's good stuff. So thank you.

E

Jack on that, that's you guys are doing a great job. Absolutely thank you. For those words, I certainly.

R

Appreciate it and you're you're exactly right, the name does roll a lot easier. Now one board.

R

Is it's uh it's very straightforward as to as to what the function of that uh of that agency.

E

All right, scott jack, thank you. You're welcome, sir. All right um next is.

E

I think I'm right here, I'm missing something. Oh yeah remember uh this is for decontamination and.

E

Disinfectant equipment for the emergency communications center- sorry I I lost my.

E

Place here we're so far ahead of schedule. I lost my place uh so uh scott and jack again.

E

Thank you again, commissioner, uh with this one, sir. If, if you don't mind, I'd actually like to defer to.

Q

Mr brown and allow him to explain you know what this request is and uh the offer for twenty nine.

Q

Thousand dollars: 125 yeah, twenty nine thousand one hundred twenty five dollars from the maryland 901.

Q

Board for the project that I'd like to ask jack to please explain what it's for this stereo mist.

Q

Disinfection and decontamination system. So if I may so I'd like to ask jack to explain.

R

Good morning, at the last 9-1 board meeting I attended, I brought a project in front of.

R

The 911 board asking for funding for this device. This is a highly portable lightweight.

R

Device that uses ionized hydrogen peroxide to disinfect both of the communication centers.

R

This device is currently in use in frederick county and it's similar to the devices that.

R

Are used in fire and law enforcement vehicles today this was the first uh device that the.

R

The 911 board has considered, and they did approve the uh the request and and the funding.

R

So what questions may you have regarding the device.

A

I would be pretty sure this is very similar to the vice commissioner weaver, and I saw it.

A

Down at the convention uh last year to your whatever it was a couple years ago, because.

A

Of the hydrogen peroxide kind of thing, it was a mister, you kind of put it on your.

A

Shoulder or your back and you walk around and spray it and so forth and at the time the.

A

Information was was like yeah. This is the device to go with and also I have to say that I have.

A

Another system is using a device that has like a chlorine tablet that you put into it instead of.

A

What you're, what you've got and they're having problems with it, because it's the chlorine.

A

Tablets, clogging up the mr somehow or another, so I think we went with the right device on this one.

R

This device was actually designed by the federal government for weaponized anthrax. I mean handles.

R

Molds and um all kinds of viruses, um so it will, it will increase the overall health of of the staff.

R

That we put so much effort into into trying to keep healthy, it does go in in tune with the normal.

R

Everyday cleaning and sanitization that still needs to occur, as well as the disinfecting of.

R

The the individual workstations, but should there be an outbreak or on a regular schedule, we would.

R

Use this device to to decontaminate and disinfect both centers, the the numbers were the 911 board.

R

Did also ask if it would be available for a mutual aid type response and absolutely we would. We would.

R

Be uh uh be on board, but that should another 911 center experience. Some kind of outbreak.

E

All right any other questions or comments for jack.

A

With that, I think I'll make the motion. The board of commissioners accept the reimbursement from.

A

The maryland 9-1-1 board and improve the purchase of the disinfected and de-condemn decontamination.

A

System and authorize the director of public safety to approve payment of the bill, as proposed. Second.

E

Okay got a motion in second all those in favor.

E

Unanimous thanks jack thanks scott. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you have a good day before.

F

We get off the subject. I want to state that you know earlier. President lance gave credit.

F

To former teachers, weaver and frazier for their leadership with the career and technology center.

F

Now I think a lot of credit on this board goes to president williams. Who's had a lifelong.

F

Career in public safety and he's been a very strong advocate for your department.

F

And we're very fortunate to have him on the board, and I think you guys benefit greatly from it.

F

There's any issues we have on public safety, he's our go-to man. So thank you very much, president.

F

The first part of that recommendation sounded great.

E

I appreciate the kind words. Thank you you're welcome. Thank you all right.

E

All right uh now we're requesting approval transfer for the usual or the annual.

E

Community self-help projects that we uh work on and for that we turn it over to mr daggett's. Our.

E

Director of wreck and parks jeff good morning good morning, commissioners, how are you all doing today.

S

uh Back for my annual visit for self-help projects, these requests come from the volunteer recreation.

S

Councils they're presented to the recreation and parks advisory board. This was done at the.

S

Board's last meeting on september 23rd, all of these projects are small capital projects for.

S

Small improvements to park sites or school sites, and they all involve a combination of county funds.

S

uh Recreation, council funds and in some cases, volunteer labor as well, so we have uh 10 projects.

S

Listed and I apologize for the motion so I'll- bring that to your attention now. The motion says.

S

Nine, but I can't blame it, I'm not having enough fingers. There are in fact, ten projects and I'll.

S

Run through them, real quick for you, uh charles carroll recreation council, looking to do some.

S

Improvements to the ball field at charles carroll park, the former charles carroll, elementary site.

S

Three thousand two hundred and fifty dollars in county funds, uh 750 in rec council support.

S

Charles carroll recreation council also looking to do field improvements at cherrytown road.

S

3211.804 in rec council support central carroll recreation council purchasing.

S

Soccer goals for deer park, county funds, one thousand eight hundred twenty eight dollars.

S

Six hundred and nine dollars in rec council support central carroll, rec council again.

S

Looking to do field improvements at roaring run park. Three thousand one hundred forty two.

S

Dollars in county funds, eight hundred and thirty one dollars in rec council support.

S

Central carroll looking to do field improvements at sandymount park, two thousand three hundred.

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Seventy four dollars in county funds, six hundred and thirty one in rec council funds.

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North carol recreation council looking to do some fencing renovations at hampstead elementary.

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Six thousand seven hundred thirty seven dollars in county funds.

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One thousand eight hundred twenty eight dollars in direct council support uh north carol, rec council.

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Looking to purchase wrestling match nine thousand six hundred thirty six dollars in county funds.

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Three thousand two hundred and twelve dollars in rec council support westminster area, rec council.

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Has ball field renovations at multiple sites, kate wagner park, landen burns park and winters.

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Mill high school 3185 dollars in county funds, 795 dollars in rec council support.

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Winfield recreation, council, mayeski park ball field improvements, seven thousand.

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Nineteen dollars in county funds, two thousand one hundred twenty nine dollars in rec council support.

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And last but not least, winfield wreck council may ask you park looking to put some dugout covers.

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Over the player benches, one thousand one hundred sixty two dollars in county funds. Three hundred.

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Twenty seven dollars in rec council support it's a total of forty one thousand five hundred.

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Forty four dollars in county funds- there's 82 000, budgeted this year for self-help requests.

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We do hear them at our september board meeting and then we will entertain requests once again.

S

In february, this program has been very successful over the years it's been in place since the 1970s.

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It's a great way for us to help out these rec councils and have them address some of.

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Their immediate needs and, as you can see, a lot of them have to do with ball field.

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Improvements which improves the safety for the kids who are out there.

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And just the overall conditions and maintenance of the fields, so we are looking for a motion today to.

S

Transfer from the self-help program into individual accounts for these projects, that would.

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Be set up by management and budget I'd be happy to answer any questions that you all may have.

A

We're all rec councils present at the 23rd september meeting.

S

All were not present and all did not request uh items. The invitation goes out to every rec.

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Council to submit requests all of the ones who submitted requests were in attendance.

B

Were there requests that were not accepted uh because they fell outside of the.

B

Parameters of the of the program: yes, there were two requests that were not recommended.

S

By the advisory board and were not approved uh to be included in this list, uh one was wrestling.

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Mats that would have been used at a private location. Self-Help funds can only be used.

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At publicly owned property or quasi public property, like lions club, where there is public use.

S

Another one was submitted for some improvements at mayeski park. It was a high dollar request and the.

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Cost estimate did not provide a level of detail that the advisory board was comfortable with.

S

So their recommendation for that is to come back in february. There will be additional.

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Funds available in february about 40, 000, then and they're, suggesting that that program come back.

S

And make that request again, then with some more detail. So this is a bi-annual event. You do it in.

B

September then you do it in february september and february, provided there's enough funds remaining.

S

We have had years when we've had 150 000 in county funds requested in september, and we do the best. We.

S

Can, under those circumstances, this is actually a light year for the fall right. Okay, thanks.

D

I'll move the blue accounting commission to approve the transfer of 41 544 from the community.

D

Self-Help to 10 self-help project accounts to be established by department of management and budget.

A

Second, but I also have a question there too, for jeff: I can the wrestling.

A

Match uh for north carolina, they, the new lightweight, match that they're asking for.

S

uh They are the newer, blacks and uh the council is very excited about getting.

S

Those they've had a very successful wrestling program for many years.

S

And where is the north carol wrestling program? Is that at the old north carolina high school.

S

I'm glad you asked that because I was discussed with the advisory board as well when they.

S

Initially use these match, they will initially be placed at north carol, high school. They also.

S

Know that usage of that facility is somewhat temporary, so the long-range plan is those mats.

S

Will be moved up to manchester valley and we've already had conversations with the school staff.

S

There so that plan is already in place. Oh yeah, that's what I that's what I want to know and even.

A

Though I didn't get the match for my basement this time, I'll put another request in that next. Mr did.

F

Commissioner, fraser have anything to do with the mats being the highest number of resources in this.

A

Just a coincidence,.

E

All right any other questions on this one.

E

All those in favor unanimous, I think, weaver's a little slow all right got it.

C

Before it leaves, would you be appropriate now to mention the um the the congratulations.

C

Recommendation uh thank you letter since, since it's jeff's staff- and I I have it now, I have.

C

The information and jeff can tell us more about the people and and um and what they.

E

Certainly, we are so far ahead of schedule. Isn't it amazing.

E

Under my direction, we are so far ahead of schedule that, yes,.

A

Who started this? I can't remember that's right, I'm just a puppet master here, don't worry about it.

D

C

So recently, on october 2nd, we received a letter from ms madeleine fleck.

C

Thanking three staff members from honey run park, wade blank who turns the jeff's um email a second.

C

Since uh didn't have, she did not have the full names of the other two people wade blank um who is.

C

The park maintenance supervisor brian de hoff and tony bessani, who are both maintenance specialists.

C

And um jeff I'll turn it to you to give more details basically to thank them for their.

C

Excellent maintenance um and customer service at um um jeff- if you want to talk more about them,.

S

All right, thank you, we're very fortunate to have the staff that we do in all areas and connie ron.

S

These three guys just do a tremendous job, keeping things looking good in the park and not just the.

S

Regular maintenance and keeping things clean and available, but they're always looking for.

S

New ways to do things and improvements, they have made improvements to the trails they've extended.

S

The mileage of trails at the park, they've added benches they put in new picnic tables, in fact,.

S

There's a beautiful one along the trail right at the edge of the lake, so as you're hiking along.

S

It's a great spot for a picnic, and I can't say enough about these guys in the job that they do.

S

They have a lot of interaction with the public, so they're not only doing physical manual work.

S

But they're also ambassadors for the department and ultimately for you all the commissioners when.

S

They're interacting with the public- and they do a very, very nice job of that so again we're we're.

S

Very appreciative of their efforts- and this has been anything but a normal year for all of us, but.

S

Upon iran, in particular, the amount of visitation we've had this year has just been incredible.

S

We're running out of rental boats on a weekly basis when people weren't able to do a lot of.

S

Things indoors, they were flocking to the parks and pontigon has had significant revenue this year.

S

From all of the visitation, but that also presents challenges to the staff as well. So I take my hat.

S

Off to these guys, they've done a great job. We love hearing from the public if they're seeing we.

S

Can do better great and when we do a good job, it's really nice to hear from folks. So we we appreciate.

S

That letter and I've shared that with those staff but wanted you all to be aware of it as.

S

Well, all right well done! Thank you and I'm glad you brought that up.

E

Especially during the pandemic, I know people have gone to uh many many great lengths to uh to.

E

Provide the best uh support for our citizens that they can. This is just a perfect example of that, so.

E

Make sure we make sure you tell those guys that we recognize them today here jeff and our hats.

E

Off to you and your your staff for continuing that effort, thank you. I will pass that on. I appreciate.

S

Your support, thank you very much appreciate it all right. Okay, with that said, we move on.

E

We now have additional discussion uh on the briefing that we had a couple briefings that.

E

We've had now on the annexation in manchester annexation number 39, which is the libby property.

E

A number of reasons why we wanted to do this. There were some questions uh that we had that.

E

Kind of went unanswered and we wanted to make sure of where we were going with this that's number one.

E

uh Commissioner, frazier was absent and we wanted to make sure that he chimed in on this as well.

E

And um in general we just we wanted to make sure that we were on the same page here.

E

Because, at the end of the session last time we were advised that the uh that the.

E

I think planning and zoning in manchester is against this, so it's sort of it sort of put a.

E

uh More questions in our mind so uh linda I'll turn it over to you uh or claire or whoever just.

E

To to briefly bring us up to date, we don't have to go over this whole thing again, because dennis.

E

Is dennis uh has looked at that discussion that we had so it just hit the highlights for us, so we.

E

Don't have to go through the whole presentation again well good morning, commissioners and again.

T

As um we are here for the finalization of the comment letter to ford to the town of manchester,.

T

For annexation number 39, the libya property. Today we have with us michelle wilder from the town of.

T

Manchester, as well as steve miller and claire stewart who prepared the staff report based on.

T

The discussion last week we modified the comment letter and removed the favorable recommendation.

T

So um if you have the comment letter in front of you and referred to number eight.

T

We are just simply forwarding the board of county commissioners support the mayor and town council.

T

Final decision so basically supporting whatever for the town and then here being reviewed. The.

T

Carroll county planning and donating commission's reporting recommendation the board of county.

T

Commissioners voted to forward the comments outlined in this letter and approval of the.

T

Zoning waiver request to the town of manchester so again just leave it, but this is more of a comment.

T

Letter from other agencies that we are acting as the conduit to forward this information to.

T

The town and to also have the board of county commissioners issue the zoning labor as requested.

T

So, if any other questions for the town, they are here to provide answers to those. I I think.

A

That, when we ended this last time, we we we were concerned with the wording in in the letter that.

A

Was being sent and number eight as I'm reading and looking at seeing so address what what we.

A

Felt at that point I don't know how bios feels, but I think that you know that kind of answers.

A

You know what we wanted to to express in in the letter: yeah you're right dennis that yeah you're.

E

Spot on because uh we were concerned about those various issues that we put in number eight so that.

E

That's there, so my only question is again.

E

On this, I want to make sure that we're not putting the cart before the horse here.

E

We're forwarding our comment letter and we're also approving a zoning waiver request.

E

Can you explain that part of it please, because I thought we were just forwarding the comment letter.

E

For manchester, then to take the deletedness. So in order to, I think my understanding of how the.

T

Discussion went and with that you are still going to do the zoning waiver that way gives the town.

T

The option whether or not to reason without the zoning we were attached with this, if for some.

T

Reason the town does choose to annex the property and and do the rezoning without the zoning labor.

T

They would be held to a five-year prohibition on re-zoning that property, so this gives the.

T

Town, the flexibility to make this decision if they so choose to rezone at a future time.

E

Okay, so we're not we're not forcing their hand by adding the waiver request.

T

No, we are not, and also if they decide not to annex the land stays how it's uh zoned.

A

Right now, the zoning waiver doesn't affect anything unless they annex it.

T

Correct and the zoning waiver does not give them the zoning. It's not re-zoning the property.

T

The town would have to actually go through their rezoning process in order to rezone the property.

T

So simply by annexing it in does not rezone the property. They actually need to go through.

T

Their process then, to rezone the property to the town zone because they will need to have.

T

Town zoning on that parcel does the approval of the reasoning waiver request have to be in there.

T

This would be the appropriate time for the rezoning waiver and again it just.

T

Gives the town the flexibility to re-zone the property in accordance with their master plan.

B

Correct just because they can does mean they will, it just gives them the allowance.

B

To move forward, so I mean, if we're going to do one thing we should do the second.

B

You give them the full opportunity to do what they want to do with the property right, linda.

T

That is correct unusual, but yes, almost afterwards it's signing forward the common.

B

Letter to the town of manchester regarding annexation, number 39 liberty, property; second,.

E

Okay, I've got a motion. Second.

E

I I still have I. I still don't know that I quite understand this this process, um these decisions.

E

Should be prime should be absolutely up to the our municipalities, so I want to be clear again that.

E

By us stating- and maybe I'm asking it too much- but I don't quite understand it yet by us giving them.

E

That wave, that that waiver, that zoning waiver we're in no way making a decision we're only.

E

See that's where I'm getting lost here. I thought we were going to give them the comment letter.

E

That's where the discussion was going last week, we're merely giving comments, but now we've taken.

E

An additional step, and now we're giving them the zoning waiver. I I just I don't understand.

E

Why that's not further down in the process after the town decides what they want to do.

B

I think it's just giving them the authority. It's not.

B

We're not saying you will do it's just giving them. I mean they're the ability to move forward.

B

uh But again, just because they have that doesn't mean they're going to do that and we're in no way.

B

Saying you will do something: it's just giving them as opposed to doing it and then them coming back.

B

For that authority to to resemble, is that right, linda or am I why? Why was I choosing you now.

E

Dick, what was your question? I'm sorry. What was your question dick.

D

So why would that be in there now I mean. Does that have to be part of this letter? I know.

D

You're trying to save steps, but I think the the only thing I'm worried about is the annexation.

D

Annexation, let the town make that decision uh and request that does that make sense, steve.

E

Well, that's kind of where that's kind of where I am with you as well dick on that line of thinking.

E

I I, over the six years that I've been here I've. This hasn't happened a lot, but I've questioned.

E

It before and it just sort of went, but I and I had this discussion- a lengthy discussion.

E

With a previous uh person who worked in our planning department, I don't understand why.

E

We're taking the step that we are we're merely just giving them the comments right now.

E

And then I think it should go back to the town. Let them decide then bring it back to.

E

Us and then let us get them the waiver request. Is it that a time consuming an item, because this.

E

This has the perception of us saying: yep, you're, good and we're good, and I'm not sure that we are.

E

C

I I'm not an expert in in this field and I've never seen the county. Do it that way, but keep.

C

In mind, um annexation really is a totally town driven process, so the county. If the town wants.

C

To annex property and it meets all the criteria, then the county do not say no to an annexation.

C

The power the county has, if you want to refer to it as power, is whether or not to grant the zoning.

C

Waiver, if you do, you have absolute discretion to not grant a zoning waiver and then that.

C

Prevents the town from re-zoning the property they can still annex it, they can still annex it. But if.

C

You do not grant the waiver, the town cannot change the zoning for five years and the sixth year they.

C

Can change this earning if their property is, you know in their town and they can change their zone.

C

Sort of don't really have a dog in the fight of the annexation. um If the town wants to.

C

Annex the property and it it's in their musical brokeberry and some other things.

C

They can do so. The question is whether or not, if there's a conflict between the county.

C

Existing county zoning and the town zoning that the annexation requester is requesting.

C

Then they have to ask they. The town has to ask for a zoning waiver. You, the board of commissioners.

C

Do not have to grant that if you do not, then they have weight they being the owners of the property.

C

Have to wait for by the end in town company for five years to reason. I don't know whether that's.

C

Ever done in a bifurcated manner, that's the only thing I don't know yeah and I think linda for that.

E

Okay- and I think this is a different situation as well, because I can't remember the last time.

E

In the six years that I've been here that we that zoning request came in and the town planning and.

E

Zoning said yeah we're not interested in doing it, but yet we're still going through the process.

T

So we actually had to have this happen several times before, where, um most recently it was the.

T

Sykesville ring clip, they needed a zoning waiver. We went through the process in the town, ultimately,.

T

Did not annex that property in, um and this is just part of the process that's set out for us under.

T

Maryland law, but we're just following that: the zoning waiver, with the annexation request, okay,.

E

Okay, I appreciate administrative windham's expertise and knowledge on this because I was.

F

Looking for a legal opinion and some knowledge, I also appreciate president lance's concerns about.

F

This because I emphasize his position on this, I'm facing a potential annexation in mount airy.

F

And I'm learning as I'm going and I've had some misconceptions about. It gets quite confusing you.

F

Know you know, as president wayne state some things things they seem out of order to us, but there's.

F

Legal language behind it and on this decision, particularly you know, I'm gonna follow the lead of.

F

uh Commissioner lanceless, since it is his district and what you want, I will I'll vote on for you.

D

I I like everything, except for the an approval of zoning waiver requests for the town of manchester.

E

So if this is a hung up with that steve same as you are yeah, I'm sorry yeah, I'm getting there.

E

So what what you're roberta, what you're, saying and linda what you're backing up is this is the law.

E

We have to give them the way, the the the waiver request. No, you have to give them the annexation.

C

Basically, that's the law. Your choice is whether or not to waive the zoning and allow them the.

C

Flexibility as commissioner ross dean said earlier, the waiver allows the town to re-zone the property.

C

Anytime, they want, after they annex it. If you've heard you can prohibit the waiver.

C

You do not agree to the waiver, then the town has to wait five years and the owner.

C

Of the property have to wait five years before they can reason: okay, okay, so essentially dick.

E

You understand, I'm sorry. I was going to read you the actual um information from the maryland.

T

Municipal league handbook and their quoting of section 4-416 zoning within annexed area.

T

So it says, um without the express approval of the county commissioners or county council of the.

T

County in which the municipality is located for five years after an annexation by a municipality.

T

The municipality may not allow development of the annex. Land for land uses substantially.

T

Different than the authorized use, or at a substantially higher density.

T

Not exceeding 50 percent then could be granted for the proposed development in accordance with the.

T

Zoning classification of the county applicable at the time of annexation. So that is why it is.

T

Following with the annexation request, so if you do not approve the waiver, I don't believe.

T

It again, I'm not an attorney that they can come back and retroactively request. The zoning waiver.

B

Correct and that's again that that makes sense linda what you shared um and to me.

B

It just makes logical sense that we, if we're doing one, that we give.

B

We give the tools the appropriate tools to the town to do the work they need to do once that.

B

Piece of property is annexed. If not, then why would they want to annex that property and not have the.

B

Ability we're not giving them the appropriate tools and that's what this is. This is giving.

B

Them the appropriate tools for them to manage the property appropriately, once it's annexed in.

B

uh To manchester so yeah, I stick by definitely the motion made.

U

May I speak, I'm bradford webb counsel for the developer and I'm the one who filed the petition.

U

Yeah mr webb go ahead. Thank you.

U

The waiver is a request that we made at the invitation.

U

Of the state of maryland, when they reviewed the annexation proposal submitted by the developer.

U

They noted that in I guess two or three of the the zoning areas there was, they were consistent.

U

With the manchester zoning classifications and had no issue.

U

There's five acres of this property, that's in conservation and they are suggested we seek.

U

The waiver from you to then allow manchester to change the zoning to be consistent with.

U

Their master plan, which has it I believe it r 20 000, something like that- is that right, linda yeah.

U

Keep in mind that it's conservation because I believe, there's a stream going through the.

U

Through that area and no matter what, when the site plan is prepared, there's going to be a.

U

A stream buffer along that stream that will not allow development there will.

U

Be no lots within within the string buffer. That's going to take a great deal. Yes, sir,.

E

I'm going to stop you there, mr webb, because we're not here to debate the the the the.

E

The the what ifs of the property we're we're merely debating, I think here today the process.

E

So you know the rest of that will come in due time and I understand that. But we're that what you're.

E

What you're presenting is more uh suited for uh when it comes before the town of manchester? Not us.

U

I was just speaking against to give you the background of what the scope of the waiver is.

U

And it's not it's. It's only one small part of the of the annexation request and is.

U

Minimal consequence down the road but the proceed, but the procedure is in.

U

All annexations and it's just the law that when there's land that's in the county, now.

U

And it is proposed to be annexed into the into the town. The waiver comes before the annexation.

U

And that's the process and and.

U

There's there's there's no methodology for the town coming back later.

U

Or even the town doesn't even ask for the waiver, it's the it's the developer. That asks for the.

U

Waiver, that's what the law says and that's what we've done. Okay, um all your other comments are.

U

All your other comments are comments that you know you would like the town to take into consideration.

U

But I think it's understood they can take them or leave them, because annexation is their decision.

U

And, of course, a lot of these comments are really things that will be brought up more appropriately.

U

At the site plan process, when, when the property goes into into that part of the development.

U

We're simply not there yet. Annexation is just the first part we're trying to take a proper piece of.

U

Property, that is, an enclave, is already surrounded by the town of manchester. Enclaves are against.

U

Public policy, they are not preferred I'm going to try to okay. We understand what you're saying.

I

Thank you yeah, but the long and short of it is if the waiver does not go with the annexation.

A

It's not gonna happen, the waiver won't happen, they'll have to wait five years and that's the.

A

Longer the short of it so either we send a waiver with the with the letter and comment letter or.

A

They're gonna have to wait five years to rezone it because there's no process for them to come back.

A

And ask for it at a later time. So that's what we're looking at right now, yeah just to clarify.

T

Linda just bear with me a second, because I won't make this very clear: we're making a decision.

B

Not with a developer or an individual, we are making a decision with the town of manchester.

B

To provide the town of manchester the comments that have been, you know you know given and then.

B

The motion and second end is to allow for uh planning and zoning waiver to be provided again.

B

Those tools for the town of manchester this has nothing to do with the developer or.

B

An individual- and this is to allow manchester to do their job. I just want to be very clear on that.

E

Okay, linda yeah, I'm sorry I'm having trouble with my camera, so I apologize commissioner ross. I did.

T

Not hear you talking, there's some, it's been a little squirrely, but anyway what I was going to.

T

Say is the zoning waivers only for a five acre portion of this property and it's only for the.

T

Portion that mr webb had said is the conservation portion. The rest of the property does not require.

T

The zoning waiver for the town to put into their equivalent town zoning just the combination piece.

E

Okay, all right very good, uh I think we've, I think, we've we've vetted this to the nth degree. I'm I'm.

E

Comfortable with this moving forward now that I've gotten the explanations uh ed, you made a.

E

Motion- and it's been a kind of a lengthy debate, did I did we get a second? Yes, I seconded it. Okay.

E

All right, so I do have a motion and second, uh commissioner weber, are, are you good here.

D

Yes as good as it's going to get today, okay.

E

All right all right, uh I want to thank everybody. I mean this has been. uh This has been an interesting.

E

Process- and I think it's opened our eyes to the to the actual steps in this process, and I I want.

E

To thank those that have provided the answers, because again I was a little bit taken back when.

E

When the town, the town, when steve miller, came on and said, yep well hey by the way.

E

That that's they're they're, not in favor of this at this time, so that just sort of threw a wrench.

E

In it and that's why we sort of wanted to take that, take that right turn and make sure we were.

E

Doing it the right way, so this is still totally up to the town correct. Absolutely! Yes, it is yep. Okay,.

E

All right with that said, I've got a motion and second on the floor, uh all those in favor.

E

All right we've got that unanimous linda. I know it was a tough, tough, a tough couple weeks to get.

E

There, but thank you and claire uh for guiding us through that, mr webb. We appreciate you coming on.

E

Today, steve and michelle, thank you very much and we'll keep our finger on the pulse of this project.

E

As it continues to move through manchester's process now, thank you have a great day very much.

F

Okay, I think this is a little bit of a test run for when mount airy comes in front of us. This.

F

Was very educational for me, I, like the point at the end that basically we're turning the.

F

Autonomy over to that jurisdiction to make that final decision, yep yeah, which is absolutely the.

E

Way that it should be, and that's why I wanted to make sure, and so did, commissioner weaver, uh that.

E

That was indeed the case. There was some language in there that would have contradicted what that.

E

Should have said there were what you're saying and we wanted to make sure that that was struck.

E

Out of there, and if we would have left it alone, the language would have said if we're giving them.

E

The ability to do it and that's not what I wanted them or we're telling them that they should do it.

E

And that's not what I wanted to happen it the emphasis. It's got to be on our municipalities,.

E

E

I don't have anything else on here interesting. uh Do we have any public comment? Do you know.

E

Nothing we do. Okay, chris, no okay, all right with that being said, uh we'll go into.

E

uh Open admin, I gotta keep track of my paper. I got papers in front of me and I still can't keep.

E

Of where I am I'm sorry, we do have a closed minute statement right.

K

Say that again, that's chris! That's part of open admin. That's okay! Okay, thanks! um If mr webb leaves.

C

The meeting we're having some bandwidth issues if mr webb would leave the meeting with help, probably.

C

Thanks, can you make that happen chris working on? Thank you all right. We're going to move into open.

E

Admin uh before we get into agendas, uh let's do or anything else open admin. We do have a closed.

E

uh Summary of of uh of closed minutes as a result of a closed session that we had on october, the 1st.

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I know you've all had the ability to be able to go through those, and I would ask now for.

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A motion and second to approve those closed minutes, make a motion to approve the closed.

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Minutes of october, 1st 2nd all right any questions on the minutes. All those in favor.

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Okay, that's unanimous all right now, open.

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uh Admin items for open admin before we run down through uh upcoming agendas.

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I do have one thing: I'd like to uh put forward: it's brought to my attention. You know we have.

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All the volunteer fire departments- 14 of them out here and we are now starting the uh kell county.

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Fire department and the combination is going to be coming together, but we still have a lot of.

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Volunteer groups out here working to build their stations to keep working uh uh toward things and.

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They spend a lot of their year, raising money money and as they develop some projects, uh you.

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Know we they come into us to review those projects, whether for whatever and um yeah. I I think it's.

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um It's just not quite appropriate. You know we're taking funds from them that they've raised to.

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Review their projects, I would love to wage the fees for our volunteer fire departments for their.

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uh Development review and those type of things, uh instead of taking money from them, that they.

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Can use for the community uh at this time, so what I'm asking for, I guess, is a waiver of uh fees for.

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Volunteer fire departments as they develop, you know, add-on or whatever happens to their.

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Departments as we as we start to evolve and move into the combined systems.

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Of course, I'm going to totally agree with that, but I think there's been instances in the past.

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Where some of those fees have been waived for building permits and things like that, but I'm.

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Not sure if that is ever been set in stone, I think it might have been a case-by-case thing as they as.

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They were as they came through so roberta. Is that something that we can check into and put back on.

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The agenda uh to to check on that, because I listen the amount that we're going to get. It's not a lot.

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uh But it's a matter of of respect, I believe to just wave that uh and it's a good point, dick we.

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We give them and then we take us away, so it doesn't really make a lot of sense. There.

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So, uh can we let's check on that you're doing a public service.

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Yeah and they're doing a public service for us they're out working hard donating their time.

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And yet we're taking the money that they have to raise uh to help them and support our communities.

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And I want you to do it county-wide. I did have a request from an individual on this, but.

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You know all 14 fire departments are valuable to this co. This county and they're going to be.

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For years to come, uh so I thought: why should we take their money? If we don't, we should be.

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Working in this together as a county and the volunteers and our new fire system,.

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Okay, roberta: let's put that on the agenda, let's check on uh making that.

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A direction moving forward, what we'd have to do to do that to waive the fees for our 14 volunteer.

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Fire departments when it comes to their whatever the county fees are, I don't think, there's a lot.

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Dick, but I think you're right the building permits and things like that, I think, are on there so.

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I think it's a good idea, but it'll be important for the public to see your staff produce some.

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Sort of reports what the historical collection was in the past now I could impact this in the future.

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Just for public exposure, but I'm in support of this idea as well.

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Okay: okay, all right anything else for open admin.

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All right, let's, uh let's roll down through our agendas for the upcoming two weeks.

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The week of october, the 12th a reminder that the.

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County office building county offices will be closed in observance of uh columbus day.

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On tuesday october the 13th I have a shock trauma board meeting at 8 a.m.

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Virtually of course, at 10 a.m. There's a planning work session on compre zoning.

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And commercial industrial employment, campus properties, that's a work session that all five.

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Of us will be attending that day and at 7 00 pm. I have an ag center board meeting as well wednesday.

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The 14th commissioner frazier has board of education meeting at 5 pm.

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uh Thursday october the 15th a little change in time here uh please note uh myself and.

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Commissioner, rostine will be attending the bwi partnership virtual meeting and as a result and.

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That's at 7 45 a.m. As a result of that meeting, we're pushing our open session to 10 a.m. That day.

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And uh right now on our agenda for that day, uh the only thing we have is.

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Violence again, women violence against women's act, grant award, but I'm sure we'll get some more.

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There's those lists always grow, but that's all that we have right now.

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On friday october, the 16th I have a baltimore metropolitan council meeting virtually at 8 30 am.

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And commissioner boucher has the podcast for that week.

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All right, the week of october, the 19th tuesday, the 20th, is.

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The continuing chamber, business breakfast and apparently this one now is going to be in person.

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So, commissioner, frazier's district 3 chamber business breakfast is going to be in district. One.

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It makes it special I do what I can't include all the districts uh-huh, okay,.

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That's that's it. That's it 8 a.m, uh at 9, 00 a.m, planning and zoning. Commissioner rosting.

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2 p.m: veterans; advisory board; meeting commissioners, rostein and weaver wednesday.

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October 21st at 4 p.m. Commissioner, weaver has carroll community college board meeting.

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Thursday october 22nd we go in to open session. uh We've got a couple, um we've got a couple.

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Preservation uh options and that's all we have, but I'm sure that that will grow as well.

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At 7 pm that evening, commissioner weaver has the finksburg planning and citizens council meeting.

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That will be virtual, and commissioner rusteen has the podcast for that week.

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Any additions or corrections to.

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The agendas all right, no anything else, no additions or corrections, but real quickly.

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I just want to tell any staff members out there, since I'm doing a podcast next week.

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If there's anything of important interest to the community at large, you want me to share. Please get it to me and I'll share it with the public.

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Okay, all right, um nothing else for open right.

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If not, we need to go into closed uh an administrative session for closed.

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That's going to be closed so right now I will entertain the motion.

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To uh go into an administrative sec, a closed administrative session motion to go into closed.

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Ministry obsession and, following that motion to adjourn second, both these motions, one down at.

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A time one at a time here, all right motion and second to glue, go into a closed admin.

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All those in favor aye, that's your name and then uh motion to adjourn after that. All those in favor.

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Okay, very good. Thank you very much, a reminder to everyone to uh to have a safe uh weekend.

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And uh remain vigilant as we continue to move through the pandemic, and it is fire prevention.

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Week, thank you to director campbell for pointing that out so uh make sure that you uh paying.

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Attention to what you're doing out there be aware of your surroundings, all right with that being.

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Said we are adjourned and let's wait until we have the uh the breakaway and we're given the assurance.

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That we are enclosed and then we'll we'll continue with our closed session. Thank you. Everybody.

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