Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 28 Jul 2022

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Okay good morning, I'm commissioner, ed rothstein.

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The last thursday or last week of july and.

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As always, let's start with the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence and then we'll get started thanks.

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To the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice.

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I'll tell you, I love that pledge. um Okay, we're gonna, go right into uh priority carol. What I'd.

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Like to do is uh kick it off with priority carol. Myself first is with the heat happening.

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Please ensure that if you see something say something take care of our community.

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There are shelter that are in place at the libraries and the senior centers.

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And let's ensure that we take care of our community the best we can.

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What I'd like to also do is take a couple minutes and um share a bit of thanks to our staff.

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And also uh highlight to the community the appreciation I have and I think, as my.

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Colleagues have with our staff a few weeks ago, we made a decision on changing compensation.

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Which was part of the siegel study, and it was the maybe second part of that siegel study and.

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I think we still have a ways to go dealing with the organization.

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But the compensation was a big part of it and we within our budget put money.

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uh Towards that compensation- and it allowed us to make significant changes.

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One of the significant changes I was a had the opportunity to be at the.

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Board of aging disabilities yesterday and jeff daggett's shared with the board, with the board.

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His ability to hire the folks over at piney, you know the superintendent because of the changes.

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I mean so there is the practical impact that this is having the immediate impact that it's having.

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You know, there's no doubt we're very proud of the work that our staff has done, while we're here.

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And understanding that the pay scales were not keeping pace with either other jurisdictions or.

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The private community, so we had to look at how to maintain the retention of our.

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Staff and how to recruit the best that carroll county deserves and became very difficult. So.

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Making the changes in compensation, I think, were very important, so I applaud the work that we all.

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Had done in making that decision, and it was a unanimous decision to change the compensation.

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There was never a doubt because there was a lot of discussion a couple weeks.

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Ago- and I don't want it to get lost from that discussion- there was never a doubt about the.

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Staff's dedication to our community, you know I don't like using the word constituents because.

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I believe nobody knows carroll county better in carroll counties and we don't live in ivory.

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Tower here in carroll county government- and we are part of that community and.

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So that dedication was never in doubt, the question was: how do we recruit train, retain.

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The appropriate staff and and workers and employees and partners that we have to take.

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Care of carroll county's uh priorities, which is to me, and I think, to all of us safety security.

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Education quality of life, and- um and we do that, so this is almost just a small step in the right.

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Direction but uh because it's not it was a very deliberate step and a um a high monetary step.

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In in the right direction, you know to be honest, putting seven million dollars into our budget.

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Towards compensation is significant when you're talking about a half a billion dollar budget.

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That is a large chunk and not that we put things to the side, but what we did that I'm so proud of.

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Is we put the workforce first in ensuring that we have safety, security and quality of life? So I.

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Just want to share that this was a kind of a me to you to our our workforce, but also to the community.

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About how important, I believe that you know I'm just so impressed with uh with what we're doing so.

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With that, if anybody wants to add to that and then we can get into the rest of priority carol.

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Nope: okay: let's start with commissioner uh commissioner fraser.

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Thank you, that's what we're going for. Okay! I know I looked over here and I was going there so.

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Just a couple short things I was at the the bso was coming to carroll community college.

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To do a small concert out there outside the amphitheater, they had the reception.

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And then there was a cold front or something coming across.

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Because it was outside the amphitheater decided to cancel it. So I thought it was a good decision.

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Because you have all these people up on that mostly exposed area with the instruments and.

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All we don't want to take a chance on that. Just the reception was inside, went off without a hitch.

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Was very nice very nice time to get to talk to some community leaders that way, unfortunately,.

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We did not have the bso performed that evening, but talking to the people that were there from.

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The bso they're more than willing to come back to carroll county perform either there.

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Or somewhere else in the future, they'd like to actually do several events a year if they could.

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um Most notable thing was the board of education meeting that I went to.

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This past week, and the reason it was notably notable, is because I was home by seven o'clock.

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I couldn't tell you what happened at the meeting. No, there wasn't, there was just not a lot of items.

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On the agenda, but it's it's the first one. I've been home, I think, before 11, since I've been on.

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Going there, so it was great night for me and thank you for the board.

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Of course, I don't know had anything to do with the new superintendent overseeing the meeting or not.

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But I did tell her that this is a precedent that she sets. You better keep it going this this way.

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But we'll see- and that's all I have thanks. Okay thanks, commissioner, wants.

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Okay couple things for me: uh first of all, good to see everybody going last week uh representing the.

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County myself and our county administrator went to uh detroit with the baltimore metropolitan council.

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uh Interesting city, um they bankrupt just 15 short years ago, and it's interesting when.

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You walk around downtown in a big city and there are skyscrapers that are sitting empty.

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uh And very little traffic, uh it's just it's crazy uh and they went from a population of.

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Almost 2 million to uh about 600 and some thousand today, that's how bad it was, uh but.

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It's good to be together with the movers and shakers from the baltimore region, uh pretty.

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Much everybody was there uh they're coming out of of um their bankruptcy uh because of.

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A lot of philanthropy that's going on up there and because of uh their new mayor mike dugan,.

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Who um is an interesting guy? uh He doesn't use any politically correct phrases.

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He'll, look at you and tell you exactly what he's thinking, what a breath of fresh air which is.

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What I might do in the next four months anyway, um there's there's a group of good-looking guys from.

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The bmc is that sure that's stretching it, so uh somebody tell you to stand up my point. Well, you.

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Know yeah. I know it's kind of tough there with uh with jonio and pittman, because they're just a tad.

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Bit taller than me, um but my point in showing this is the fact that the bmc uh works together.

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uh Mayor scott was there from baltimore city. I had a lengthy conversation with him about the city.

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Which was interesting, um but uh it doesn't matter what you have beside your name, whether it's an.

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R, a d or whatever uh we all get along there and try to do things that are best for the region, so.

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uh Kudos to the bmc, uh that was my last official duty with them and it's been an honor to serve.

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And represent carroll county on the bmc so forever grateful for the opportunity I had there.

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um I I want to briefly touch on a gentleman who was a mentor to me. uh It just was two.

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Weeks ago that I was celebrating the fact that uh myself and mike robinson had a.

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Chance to go down and see oscar baker uh at the at the funeral home up the funeral home.

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That's where I'm going tonight uh at the um assisted living facility that he was in and.

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I think, as I said before, was an amazing visit where he was dropping names to mike robinson from.

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Years ago, uh from his days in early heights uh volunteers- and it's it's crazy- how um his.

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Mind was so sharp, uh sadly, uh oscar passed away um this past week and um oscar was instrumental in in.

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Shaping uh the fire service here in the county and uh was just a mentor to to everyone.

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uh There I am putting the pin on him dick from an ed from your veteran's event, event.

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um So, uh just just having the opportunity to speak with him and again it's just crazy. How.

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Sharp his mind was, but I appreciate chris went along and took some photos and.

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Our deepest sympathies go out to the men and women of the mount airy volunteer fire department.

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And also the entire fire service in carroll county, because oscar's fingerprint will be.

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Forever in ingrained in the fire service oscar was um was responsible for deciding that maybe.

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It would be good idea to put 9-1-1 out there where it was in that bunker. That was his idea.

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And um now we've built upon that, uh but um you know it's just it's just.

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It's he's he. He touched a lot of lives, so we'll be participating in the next couple days down there.

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And I want to give our deepest sympathies to everybody down there again, um don't forget the.

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4-H, fair, I'm sure you're going to talk about it dick, but my kids are out there today, starting.

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To put their entries in- and man, am I glad I'm not at home, because they're going home to bake.

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Do you have details about oscar's uh viewing yeah, so the view yeah? That's right, I'm sorry! So the.

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The viewing is two to five today and six to eight this evening. uh The fire department memorial.

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Service will be at seven pm this evening and then the funeral is at 11 a.m tomorrow and all of this.

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Is at the mount airy fire company building? So that's that so anyway, 4h fair, coming up dick.

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You'll probably talk on that, but it's 125th, so we need to get out there and support that.

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Here's an updated photo of the community center charles carroll. It's coming right along.

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Actually, these are earlies the one I had the other one from yesterday, chris.

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There, it is that's from yesterday where the roof is on and uh I met with the supervisor up there.

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And he said, give me six days and I'll: have it completely enclosed.

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uh There's about 20 folks working up there on the site. um What you see here in front.

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Is the 18 million dollar storm water? Well, not quite that much, but it's a storm water.

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Management system that was required to be put in up there, uh but um it's coming right along so.

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The biggest thing I think that I took from there is the fact that the building super told me that.

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There are a ton of people from the community that are stopping in there on a regular basis.

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So again I can't say enough about that: uh we'll see more as we roll along.

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But it was great to see the progress that they're making so.

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Hopefully, by the time we walk out of here, we'll be able to at least walk into it.

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So I don't think we're going to be able to see it until next year. At some point.

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Realized where the doors are open, you'll see it and I'll be in the distance, but um you'll be at.

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The ribbon cutting, but yes, you know this is this, is um this is part of what I'd hoped would be.

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Part of my legacy, because I didn't want that community up there to have such a big.

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Void and even in talking a couple people said to the building supervisor. We can't.

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Wait to be able to get back here and actually vote in our community because they're all split now.

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So anyway, enough said on that, but um you know it's um it's good to see that. So that's it for me this.

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Morning, good stuff, okay, commissioner weaver, okay, first of all, uh here again on a, I guess, a negative.

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Note uh last week we lost bill powell, who was the first manager of ag land preservation here in the.

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County- and you know he started with the first- uh I guess land preservation areas and some of them.

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I guess right next to me in my area, but they go back to the 1980s early 80s when he started so.

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He did a great job and just a a nice gentleman to deal with and really made the program work so.

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Just uh wish his family well, uh he was uh excellent uh person to start that program.

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In carroll county, I just want to uh make one comment here with the comment on sigel.

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You know when we committed to doing the single study and we committed to following.

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Their recommendations not looking at them and saying setting them aside as a board, we made.

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The commitment to follow the single study, their recommendations and to carry through with them.

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And that's exactly what we started to do and um I think we still have to work on of style work to do.

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When we get the total study here, but we couldn't wait to get all that together and then look at it.

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We had to get started on it now on a positive note, uh commissioner, wants alluded to the.

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Carroll county 4-h, ffa, fair: this is a 125-5th anniversary for the fair and.

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It actually started in 1897, which I don't think commissioner wants was there for the first fair.

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But he's been there for a lot of the others. uh It was in tony town by the way and um wait what.

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You're calling the kettle black. How do you care? That's why I said wait uh and in 1953.

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uh They moved around tony count to that air to 53, and then they moved to the permanent site here.

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uh At the uh agricultural center in westminster- and they have changed- uh I remember going from.

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Little buildings small little um uh just uh pavilions, almost down to the uh shipley arena.

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And uh huge, uh fair as compared to what it was in one stop one time, but it's done a lot for a lot.

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Of people in the county, a lot of people still participate in it and two major areas here.

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Wednesday night is the cake auction and that money goes to support the fair. What's your number again.

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Commissioner, wentz will be making a significant contribution to the cake auction.

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um Eating the cake, maybe, and if he doesn't we'll, do it for him using his number, um but.

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And then friday night is the livestock sale, and uh that is uh the uh end result of.

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Projects kids carry through with, and uh they that most of that money goes back to the kids.

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And many of them use it for scholarships and for funding for college and everything else. But.

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Yeah to put in perspective, how much did they raise the livestock last year? Oh my, it was like 900 000.

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Something like it was not quite a million dollars, I think it was like came in and thousand dollars.

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And you know if you want an animal and you only want uh go together with somebody get half an.

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Animal or a quarter of an animal whatever it is, they will have the animal transported to whatever.

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Processing plant you want it to go to and they go out of the way to try to help people or help the.

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Kids get their animals sold and right now you have a lot of 4-hours you're, getting letters from them.

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Asking for your support to sale and even if you don't buy the animal, if you just bid on it, that's.

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A huge success for a lot of them and we also try to look sometimes for a young 4-h. It really hasn't.

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Getting started hasn't done their homework and we try to help buy an animal. That's.

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They they don't have a buyer for or try to help them a lot of times with it, and I will.

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Go back a couple years ago, the sheriff and I bought a pig uh together and he said how.

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Do we divide it? I said: well, you take the front half I'll, take the back half and he told other.

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People that, if you know anything about animals, uh the high price cuts are in the back end. So.

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When he told about the third person, they finally explained it to him how it works.

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So um anyway, uh if you can get out and support the fair next week uh and wednesday night, we'll.

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Be presenting a proclamation about six o'clock, I think at the cake auction uh to open that up and.

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uh Commissioner, wants will be there bidding uh vigorously on the cakes so and even if he's not.

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He's going to be bidding apparently yeah yeah, so that is uh one of commissioner weaver's favorite.

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Story about uh him and the sheriff- and uh there is commissioner weaver in his post-retirement.

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Job, oh, my god, his dangerous work, yeah just a little heart. That's all so somebody had to do it.

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I'm looking for the kosher, pig and I'll bid on that, so, okay, commissioner boucher. Thank you good.

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Morning, I'm still envisioning someone buying half an animal and walking it out at a fair.

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I'll give up, I think it's cut, wrapping frozen. Okay, all right! That explains it. Yeah.

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I want to give my sincere appreciation his mind's at home, okay, good, I'm sorry! I want to.

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Give my sincere appreciation the commissioner lance for giving recognition to oscar baker.

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It is so important for us to recognize the contributions made by generations in front of us.

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And what they've committed to our community- and he certainly did that down in my district in mountain.

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Area, so thank you for recognizing a couple weeks ago. That was timely. I think so often we never know.

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When someone is on a go- and I feel like at this age- we're kind of next in the queue and a reality.

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Setting in so everyone out there make sure you give everything you can to your community. This.

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Is a wonderful place to live and your fellow citizens will honor you for it? Last week I went.

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And did walk in the park out at freedom park what an absolutely gorgeous park that is, I've never.

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Walked all around that loop, it's a 1.9 mile loop out there at freedom park and, I believe part of it.

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Is actually patapsco state park, so you get to go, walk around some more wooded areas. It was shaded.

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It was about 92 degrees. I was out there, it wasn't a big crowd. I was amazed that people.

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Showed up did, but they made sure they had water. We all stayed hydrated and it was nice to walk with.

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Individuals, constituents and talk to us about their concerns. So it's a wonderful opportunity.

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Please go to the county website park and rex and check the schedule for walk in the park.

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We'll be doing this every month on up until the end of our terms in december, and I very.

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Very much enjoy the opportunity to go talk with people, as I begin to enter the end of my term.

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I also want to thank everyone who came out and voted tomorrow. The voting will be certified and.

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Finalized, I'm in an election with a very narrow margin, I'll get better sleep once this is all done.

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But I really want to thank everyone out. There took the time to vote not only for myself but.

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Every other individual who was on the ballot- this is what's so wonderful about our nation.

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That we can put our own citizens up to run for office and we all get to voice our opinions.

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And uh our candidates who represent us this is such a wonderful nation.

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And I'm very grateful for the opportunity to represent everyone here. So thank you very much.

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Okay: let's get started into a public hearing amendments to carroll, county code.

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Of public local laws and ordinances, chapter 36, personal policies good morning, commissioners, as.

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The president said the purpose of today is to convene a public hearing to elicit some public.

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Testimony, if any from members of the public that are here or on the phone on proposed amendments.

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To our personnel ordinance, that's chapter 36.. uh I would note that this was advertised in the carroll.

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County public carroll county times, in accordance with state law uh two times before the the date.

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Of this public hearing and that on july, 7th, you authorize staff to proceed with with uh public.

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Hearings so with us today, our uh budget director zaleski and uh kim frock from personnel she's here.

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To talk about uh give you some quick highlights of what uh they talked about on july. 7Th should.

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We ask if there's anybody in the public right now apartment. Should we ask if there's anybody.

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In the public right now to talk yes, do we have any any members that want to do the background.

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Don't you want to, I mean, do the background first. Do the background? Okay, okay, but that's up to you.

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Okay, so on july 7th, when we came miss tim said, we talked about the substantial changes and I'll.

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Just recap: those the increase in the amount of compensatory time that employees will be.

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Able to eligible to maintain the increase in the annual and sick leave known as the lance amendment.

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Year, 11 of employment, an increase in the amount of annual leave to carry over from year to year.

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I'm allowing employees on initial probation to use their annual and personal, which will make it much.

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Easier for them when they start removing the limit on sick leave usage for family sick leave. So no.

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Longer eight days you can use whatever sick leave. You have for your family members. If you need to.

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And to implement that on-call stipend, that we thought was a good thing to have for folks. You.

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Authorized us to proceed to public hearing in this matter. I sent you the only written.

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Comment I had received, I sent that yesterday, so you all have should have that in your books.

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And with that would have any questions, okay, that was the gentleman who worked for the.

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Retired general, yes, and had some suggestions, but I I didn't did, did you? Did you see anything in there.

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That of note that we I mean, I, I think he was agreeing with most of what we did most of what.

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We did the um increased um accrual to be able to carry over, he did not agree with, um and the.

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Increase in the number of days he did not agree with, but everything else he did. Okay, it's good.

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To get a perspective from somebody sort of outside, you know to get that right. Okay, all right! Thanks.

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Okay, so that's all I have if you want to start taking testimony, is there any other questions.

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Or comments no, sir. Okay, now does anybody uh here have any public comments on the proposed ordinance.

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Chris, do we have any callers, no callers on the line? Things have to be louder.

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Let's change: this is the voice of gold. Mr president, we appear, we have no comments on.

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The proposed amendment- okay, I'll, go ahead. I'll make a motion. The board closes this hearing.

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For the uh close, this hearing for the record and consider a motion for adoption.

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Second, okay: I have a motion. I have a second. Is there any other discussion on this scene here? None.

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All in favor aye, aye, okay, and we will get these changes in place and we will be able to make the.

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Leave changes effective on august 4th we'll be working with technology services to do that.

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Thank you very much for all the work. Thank you, commissioners. Thanks. Thank you.

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Okay, now, let's talk about the 2022 spring amendment to the 2019 water and sewer master plan.

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Good morning we are here before you today to follow up on the public hearing. We had.

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Two weeks ago, on the water and sewer master plan, the spring amendment and.

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We've received no comments to date. So with that are there any questions.

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Why would we question if we receive no comments, linda.

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I don't know formality right, yes correct. Why would we do that.

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Because they got all dressed up today, that's right no place to go well. If you want questions, I guess.

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Well, I'm going to make the motion that we adopt the 2022 spring amendment to the 2019.

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Water and sewer master plan somebody should have questioned the dates.

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At least you know, okay, I got a motion. I got a second any questions all in favor, aye, aye.

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That was easy, one thing, while I can't ask the question now: no, no! No, no.

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This is proof. One thing um I just want to highlight.

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Linda and you and your team all the work that you've been doing.

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And what we as a board have been doing over the last four years in implementing a lot of activity.

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With the master plan and executing the freedom plan, I mean we don't seem to highlight it as.

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Much you know, because you don't want to pat your own back, but this you know board has done.

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An incredible amount of work in the last four years and executing a lot of these activities.

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It's not necessarily behind the scenes, but it's, um but the effects are just incredible and.

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Getting count uh community input has sometimes not been so you know so much fun, but incredibly.

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Important and listening to the community, whether it's the charles carroll community center or it's.

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The uh execution implementation of the uh you know, homes down in zabel and beatty properties,.

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Or is the harrison leicester property? You know, I mean that's a lot of work and you know I think.

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You know where I'm going is one my appreciation to you and your team, but also capturing it and.

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Something that we should be able to capture, because it has been a lot and we have not adjusted.

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Our taxes or increased our employment- you know here in the county, so absolutely okay, just.

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Want to throw that out to you. Thank you for your continued support on all our efforts. We really we.

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Really do appreciate it. Okay, I'll get a lot of work sessions with you guys. Thank you yeah. You.

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Got some more coming up stay tuned starting next week? Okay, now go back to work. Okay, I will be here.

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Setting of the school impact fees.

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He obviously didn't drink as dr pepper or something this morning, I don't know.

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Or mountain dew I apologize, I don't do whatever it is. Yeah one of those one of.

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Those things I don't drink, so my drinking habits aside, are we easy on it now, yeah yeah, hey um for.

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A number of years now, I'm not sure exactly when we did this for the first time, but the school.

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Impact fee has been set to zero dollars. The reason that has been that way is because we no longer had.

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Projects happening school construction projects that would qualify for the use of impact fees.

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And sometimes people will say well you're going to need them someday.

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Why wouldn't you keep collecting it? So you have it. The problem is.

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Court cases surrounding impact fees have led to a general thinking that you cannot.

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Accumulate the money indefinitely they have, it has to be attached to a plan to spend it.

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And there's nothing that says this specifically, but six years has been.

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Used as kind of a reasonable time frame to say you can keep it for about six years. But if you.

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Don't have a plan, then then you need to return it now. Administratively, returning impact fees.

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To people that paid it would be a real pain. So if you believe you're in that situation,.

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Then it makes sense just not to collect them in the first place. We are still in that situation.

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So uh what we're here today is to suggest to you that you extend this again at zero dollars.

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Now another question that will come up or could come up in connection with this.

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Is well, there are other needs. Why don't you collect money for for replacing roofs.

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Or maintaining the the schools and impact fees are not eligible for that impact fees are a very.

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Restricted revenue there's there's a thin line for what you can you can do and then on school.

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Construction, another thing that could come up. You know we have discussions going on in south carol.

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About elementary schools, specifically freedom, but there are other other concerns well. Why.

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Won't you need it for that, and the problem is even if we get to the point of saying that we're.

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Going to construct something down there and I think we're still far from that that point.

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For impact fee purposes, carroll county is one impact fee area. All of our schools.

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And we can't just look at one school and say we want to.

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Add on to that school and use impact fees if there is capacity available in other places,.

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And similarly, this is not the time for this today, but a similar idea could apply to discussions.

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They'll be coming in the future when we look at state funding for school construction projects.

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They also look at what capacity do you have in other schools before they will agree to.

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To fund a school, which is the reason that the state did not participate in manchester.

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Valley high school because they said you have capacity available to you. So all that said.

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I don't believe our situation is fundamentally changed. I think we should extend this.

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How long we extend it is, is up to you and does not commit you to anything if.

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You said we're going to extend this for two years and six months from now, you.

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Think things have changed: it's still in your hands to change that decision.

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If I may, would it be wise to extend it to the next budget deliberations to pass it off to.

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The next board to make a decision on it. Would that be a good idea or you have any suggestions.

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um It's not going to come back, we can tie it to I'm, not sure what date that would lead you to to.

J

Pick because the budget deliberations, you know, extend up a period of time but again, whatever.

J

Date we pick it's always in the board's hands to pick a or to bring it back up again. Another time.

C

If the next board wanted to, we can raise impact fees or put impact fees back in they can do that.

C

At any time, all right right and the fact is the school population is still below what it was. I.

C

Think two, two or three years ago years ago, I don't see a reason to do this. This is also.

A

One of the reasons why having a redistricting process in place through ccps is so important.

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Because we cannot make clear decisions using funds if they don't do their part.

A

And that's frustrating you know and I'm not so frustrated at ccps or the board that that's.

A

Not my point is: we've got to work together, so we have a clear picture of what the county's.

A

You know capacity is from top to bottom from east to west. Once that's done, then we can. You know.

A

Focus on this and that's county-wide redistricting, absolutely it can't happen in sections like.

E

They're looking at now, it's got to happen overall or our hands are tied on funding, and so I think.

A

Maybe- um and I know I- I would expect that the schools know about impact fees and they know.

A

That, if they do this, that this could be a tool used for funding, um maybe it's a way to energize.

A

The the process for redistricting um and here again not then there's.

A

Not a question to you, but I'm just saying this is part of the the the process that.

A

It's not one or the other. It's got to be a county-wide.

A

Approach, so communication is a key to this between the two boards and yeah okay, so I.

D

I don't know, I don't think I mean I think we just maintained but yeah. I wonder what other counties.

D

Are doing based upon the fact that the state legislature now has the state legislation has made.

D

Inroads when it comes to partnering with the maryland stadium authority on school construction.

D

I wonder if there's I mean because I I remember the talk down in annapolis.

D

Last year, the year before and county executive jan gardner served.

D

From mako on that work group, um I wonder if that I mean it doesn't plot us, but.

J

Well, that that is all happening, and um our east middle school project is tied to the maryland.

J

Stadium authority right funding, then um career in tech is still being funded out of the traditional.

J

Program, yeah, I'm just I'll, only bring it up, because I don't know that these the impact.

D

Fees are even going to be around at some point. I don't know with the with the with the new way of.

D

Of looking at the funding, that's coming from the state level, what funding is coming from the state.

J

Does not reduce how much funding is required from the counties. All it does is make more.

J

The possibility for more projects to happen, okay, but um we're actually in a situation where, in.

J

Carroll county, where uh the requirement are our part of the of the responsibility, is going up.

E

Ted, what was the impact fee before? Do you have any idea? Remember what we had.

K

Thirty five thousand six thousand deb deb thinks it was about six thousand. I thought it was around.

E

Six yeah yeah that that's right somewhere around there right yeah per house, yeah yep,.

F

Her newly constructed right, newly constructed home that was six thousand dollars added on to.

E

Okay, and that adds up, I mean two houses is like 12 000. Then.

J

Well, you know there was a time when we were building a thousand twelve hundred fourteen.

J

Hundred units a year, it was a significant revenue, source, yeah I'd, say monkey math, but.

A

It's just not worth it. No, I wouldn't do that I'll make the most of the board. Commissioners continue.

C

Holding the school impact fee at zero until june 30th 2024.. Second, okay: I have a motion.

A

I have a second any further discussion on this. All in favor aye, aye, aye where'd. You get that.

G

Out thin air, it's the end of a fiscal year. I can't reach that.

A

Okay: let's talk about genetic advantage, support renewal, mr ripper come on up.

A

A

16 come on up.

L

Good morning, commissioners morning morning, we are here to request your approval for.

L

The renewal of gen tech advantage support to marathon technology solutions incorporated.

L

The cost is based on the number of devices connected to our gen x system and the amount.

L

Is 30 156 dollars and 55 cents for one year and if you have any questions I'll turn it over to 16.

M

And uh good morning, this this request is related to our the support we have directly with genotech.

M

The software manufacturer not marathon itself, so we're purchasing through them, but this is this.

M

Allows us to call genotech directly for support download, updates all the security patching all.

M

Those things that we get directly from gen attack- I mean why do it for a year and not five years.

M

It's uh the way genotech. Currently, we currently have that structure with genetech it's on an.

M

Annual renewal- that's something we could look at in the future. How long have we been using genotech.

M

um Eight years, okay, I ask that you take a look at multi-year. You know I mean if.

A

We're a faithful, you know serving of them or customer of them. Then we may have some.

A

Dollar cost savings associated with it. So, okay, have we increased the number of devices that we've.

D

Connected to the system, I'm sure we have right, we have yes and that and that that means the annual.

D

Price goes up correct because the annual price that might be where you get jammed a little bit.

D

That's true because the annual price is based on the number of of cameras and card readers and.

D

Intercoms that are connected, and typically we're always adding.

D

To that we have yeah, we have not reduced anything yeah. Okay, we'll probably put something similar.

D

That on the community center up in silver, running right, yes yeah so see that'll, add to.

A

That too, the devices planned for that site yeah we'll community center. Okay, can I get a car now.

A

D

All right, well, I think, based on that that it's ever changing with with our buildings.

D

And stuff, it's probably a good idea to do it on an annual basis, but it doesn't mean.

D

You can't look at it, but you know just so I'll move that we approve the renewal.

D

Of the support for gen tech advantage to marathon technology, 30, 0156 and 55 cents.

D

Second, okay: I have a motion and a second and discussion scene here, none all in.

A

Favor, okay: now, let's talk about asset and essential software, renewal of contract, okay,.

L

We're here to request your approval to award the support renewal of asset essentials.

L

To brightly software incorporated in the amount of 30 fifty six dollars and fifty seven cents rightly.

L

Software was awarded a competitively bid contract through source well, and this money is approved.

L

Within the fy 23 budget, so no additional funding should be required and I'll turn it over to mark.

L

For your questions morning, commissioners, it's a pretty simple software. It's asset management.

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Program for the bureau of facilities. Not only does it track all of the work orders that are.

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Put through, but it also helps the agency determine what costs might be in the future, what they need.

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To look at and how to move forward with their um various things that they do to the buildings.

A

Why do we want to help tp, I'm kidding? It sounds good I'll, move that the board of commissioners.

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Approved the renewal of support for asset essentials to bradley software, incorporated.

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Amount of thirty thousand dollars: thirty thousand three hundred fifty six dollars, fifty seven cents.

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Second, I got a motion. I got a second all in favor all right. Okay, thank you, commissioners. Thank you.

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Talk about purchase, installation of workstation, partitions.

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Good morning, chris good morning, we are requesting your approval to award the purchase.

L

And installation of workstation partitions to duron, incorporated in the amount of 27 979.36.

L

Duron incorporated was awarded a competitively big contract with the baltimore regional.

L

Cooperative purchasing committee and this money again is approved in fy 23 budget.

L

And no additional funds should be needed and if you have any questions I'll turn it over to chris.

N

Yes, good morning, commissioners, so uh the partitions that are in our work area.

N

uh Were obtained by the county uh when the addition to the building was constructed back.

N

In 1998 and they were purchased used, they were 20 years old at the time we purchased them, so they.

N

Are now close to 40 years old and have 40 years of dust and and whatever else accumulated to them so.

N

I discussed the um the idea with facilities to replace those and facilities um agreed. It was a.

N

Priority and added them to the capital budget, so the um the budget amount is uh approved and we're.

N

Just looking to move forward with purchasing them, so you want to get rid of this historic item. Yes,.

A

Our money's worth out in that case we should be getting rid of commission weaver. Do you ever think about an open concept.

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You know one one thing is um changing workspace and making it more appealing for the workforce.

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It uh sometimes it's difficult to get an objective.

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You know sense an objective uh feel for it, but subjectively you can so you know.

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In four months, six months, whatever get that feel for the change in environment and uh productivity,.

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um Because I think it's a great idea to continually you know: listen from the workforce.

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Hey, how can you make this more appealing? Yeah see, they're gonna be there, so this is a way.

A

So, okay, I agree completely. Thank you. I'll move. The board of commissioners approved the purchase and.

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Installation of workstation partitions to duron, incorporated in the amount of 27 979 dollars and.

E

36 cents, second, okay: I got a motion got a second in discussion seen here and then all in favor all.

D

Right, okay, thank you absolutely now. Let's talk about the airport, roof materials and repairs.

G

Good morning, mr mars, good morning, hey warm work. No guitar today, I'll spare you, okay, okay, um mark.

L

And I were here before you in june and received approval to send a letter of intent to garland dbs.

L

To order material for the roof and repair at the fbo building at the airport, for a cost of 142.

L

983, since the board's approval, a new quote was requested from garland to include the.

L

Removal and replacement of six skylights and repair any of the rusted metal panels.

L

Panel areas, the additional cost, is sixty six thousand five hundred fifty two dollars making.

L

The project cost estimated at a hundred and ninety thousand four hundred and eighty seven dollars.

L

This is within the adopted, fy 23 budget. No additional funds should be needed.

L

And if you have any questions about the project, I'll turn it over to mark.

E

Is this from the enterprise fund or yes, sir okay got to fix it, I mean yeah, it's got to be done.

D

Right, you want to do it right, yep, right and so often with roofing. As soon as you start.

G

To tear into something rise there's additional damage that is done, so this is pretty standard.

G

Thanks for accommodating my surprise, visit on you this week and uh going over these details.

G

I moved that the board of commissioners approved the additional cost of 66.

G

552 dollars to garland dbs inc to complete the roofing repairs at fbo building.

G

At the carroll county regional airport, second, commissioner weaver, since you just.

C

Done some roofing, you think it's a good idea. I mean that's what I was going. Your.

A

Expertise in roofing do you feel like this is sending you out? I can I can handle this.

A

Okay, I'm just asking you know, that's all right. Okay, we got a motion and a second.

A

Discussion on this one, all in favor, all right, okay, thanks! Thank you, commissioners,.

E

No more leaks thanks mark okay, now, let's talk about presley court drainage improvements.

L

We are here to seek your approval, to use the county's term contractor stand balls incorporated.

L

To perform improvements to an existing drainage system in the amount of 126 850, this is within.

L

The project budget and no additional funds should be needed and I'll turn it over to.

L

Chris, if you have any questions good morning, the bureau of engineering received complaints from.

O

Area residents of cresley court in reference to excessive runoff from deer park, road and.

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Associated erosion in august of 2021, the bureau of roads operations received a notice from the bureau.

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Of resource management regarding erosion along deer park, road as part of a stormwater facility.

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After much discussion with bureau, resource management and the residents, we developed a plan.

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To address both of their concerns, we'll be making necessary repairs to the stormwater facility along.

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Deer park, road upgrading, existing storm drain pipes installing some head walls, some inlets.

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Constructing a trapezoidal waterway and the associated outfalls, we did receive three prices.

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From our term contractors, we received two bids. uh The third vendor declined to uh give us a.

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A price to complete the work uh stan balls has completed similar work for us in the past and.

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Been very happy with their work, I'll move. The board of commissioners approve the using term.

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Contract with stem balls incorporation to complete the improvements in the amount of 126 850. Second,.

A

Okay, I have a motion and second, a discussion on this. I always appreciate when you're providing.

A

The description you're answering the questions that you're expecting to hear, so we try you do.

A

You do wonderful, so all in favor all right, great work and again our success is with the staff's.

A

Ability to get this into our budget and have us approve that budget. You know by may 31st.

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And this gives us the opportunity to execute it. So seeing that it's within you know the budget.

A

And no additional funds necessary is always a good thing, so good job thanks maureen. Thank you. Thank.

L

You, commissioners, okay, is there any uh public comment out there? Chris? Yes, sir? Okay from above.

A

Sure so anything for open admin. One thing um yeah, I couldn't tell if that was on or not.

F

um The several weeks ago, uh the board heard uh from planning staff about a request for.

F

Annexation up in the tawny town area, I think the sewell property is the actual name of the.

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Of the property the board agreed to the annexation and forwarded it on to the city of tonytown and.

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And now citizens have asked that the board put on their agenda a a discussion about.

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Whether or not you want to ask the town or compel the town to go to referendum.

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On that, so I'm just asking if you would like that to be an agenda item on your future agendas.

D

So so my initial response is no, and it is in my district and I've certainly have heard all about.

D

It uh from a lot of folks, but you know, we've often said on this board- that who knows best than than.

D

The towns themselves- and I don't know that I want to get into uh the area where we initially give.

D

The town, the responsibility of going ahead with it and then the town actually does the work that.

D

They're required to do and do all of the homework that they need to do and make the decision.

D

Only for us to come back and say: well, maybe we don't agree with your decision. It seems like.

D

That's a really bad precedence to set good analogy and we're we're. You know we're telling our eight.

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Municipalities that- and we have- and three of us have done this for eight years now- of telling our.

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Municipalities, you got it, we know best. If you need help, we got it we'll help you out, but to question.

D

Decisions that they make um on the back side just seems like a really bad precedence to sit.

D

To set- and I think could really affect the relationship.

D

And the working ability of our municipalities moving forward. So that's my that's my two cents.

D

I just think again: they they've got the handle on this. Certainly, our planning department assists.

D

Our municipalities, in, in all things uh you know land management plan, water, sewer whatever, but.

D

Who, who are we to say yeah you? Because we we again, we said that go ahead, we're good with it.

D

And then for us to come back and say: oh okay, now we're not was this to go on referendum for the.

E

Town, so keep in mind. This is we're not. This is not the agenda item. Okay! No, no! Okay! This is.

D

I just don't think it's a good idea to set to set this precedence. I just don't.

A

I I apologize, I I agree with you, but what were you just saying? We were not deciding whether.

F

Or not, you would let whether you would require a request that tony town put it on referendum. That's.

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Not what we're discussing this is merely whether the board of county commissioners wants this item.

F

As an agenda item at a future board meeting, commissioner wan seems to be saying that no, I.

A

How about you go to tonytown's town council meeting because once in a while, I do that.

A

With sykesville, when there's question and saying hey, you know I'm open to listen and.

D

Certainly, you can do that and that's fine, but I don't want them to get a sense that.

D

I'm going to go there with the idea that I'm now going to come back to you guys and say.

D

Okay, well, I think we should change now. No, I I would, I would make sure they understand.

A

That that's right, I think it's it's yeah. I think what I've said is pretty clear. Yeah.

D

It would be like you telling you know, sykesville, that I know hey, that 852 project, that you're doing.

D

I mean it's not the same thing but an example. You made the decision, but now we're right. I.

D

Don't know that we, like that decision and westminster any any of our values. This was.

E

Requested by the landowner, if I remember correct right initially, that's correct the annexation.

B

um The town initially uh actually was the one who initiated the annexation.

B

The reason they initiated was because, if the property owner did, they would be then responsible.

B

For the property tax difference from the agricultural to now the residential district, so.

B

They had worked on a negotiation with the town to have the town initiate that legislatively.

D

So so yes, dick I mean this goes to property rights a little bit here, not a little bit, but.

D

A lot a lot: this is their yes, this is property rights, so I don't know I just I mean I don't.

D

Want to be the bad guy here and if there's other opinions, I'm certainly open to it. But I just.

D

I just think it really sets a bad precedence for this group of commissioners to essentially put.

D

A thumb down on municipalities that know best in their municipalities what they should or shouldn't.

D

Be doing I'll stop yeah. I have to agree 100 with you and with that said, if, if they ever do want us.

G

To sit on a meeting and you you're going to attend out of 10 with you in support of your position.

F

Okay, so we won't put it on the agenda and I'll. Let the inquirer know.

E

I did have one item I want to bring up. I'm done, yeah, okay, tech center.

E

Contacted the uh uh police department about uh donating a used police car to the.

E

uh Tech center for the I'm, not gonna, say police academy for their uh what they call the.

E

That academy dennis uh training right public, not public safety. It's the! uh um I can't remember the.

E

Name well for the uh training center there for the tech center for their um are there auto mechanics.

E

People no, no, this is for the police policing. It is up in north security uh program, okay, tech center.

A

huh The tech center yeah they have a vehicle, they want to donate, they want yeah, they have.

A

And they're saying hey sheriff's department. I can't remember the ticket what they call the whole.

E

Thing, but it's not the police academy, it's uh who wants to donate the vehicle, we're all confused the.

F

Yeah out of service police car to be donated to them to use for their students in this uh program.

C

They want the police to give them. Okay, when it's out of and out of service cars for training for.

E

Their students for training when they're in their safety, whatever program they have they're, not.

C

Not in building the car or no, no, not building the car at all. This is just safety kind of things in.

E

Their training academy for law enforcement training academy, but I guess yeah because.

A

We kind of talked a little bit, but it's a crazy. Is it an an issue for us? I mean why can't they just.

F

It's not they. We we work with the just we'll take care of it. It can. I don't see why it can't happen.

E

I was getting calls from them, yeah uh is when they take one out of service, they can keep it at.

E

The tech center for x amount of years and update, but the kids get to we'll work on it, part of their.

E

Law enforcement training uh program- okay, I didn't know the career tech center had a law enforcement.

D

Training either that I I thought was just the ems stuff: no, okay, it's okay, good for them. Okay,.

F

I can't believe I would bring one I might not have it right yet, but it's uh still.

E

It's what it amounts to in law enforcement training. Commissioner lance. We should do a tour.

C

One thing I would bring up since I'm in the back: I've seen I've been biking a lot lately because.

C

Of the weather I'd like to, if we could take an inventory of around our buildings, that we own.

C

See how many of them have a bike rack and a bike rack similar to one that we have in front of our.

C

Building because I was up at the biked up to the farm museum for an event up there.

C

And they have a bike rack here, but because of the new e-bikes with the fat tires, you can't.

C

You can't put it in that bike rack. You can't lock it to that. We need I'd like to see an inventory.

C

Taken of all of all of our buildings to see if we have the bike racks here, because if we want people.

C

To bike or use alternative means of transportation, you have to provide some infrastructure.

C

And I have to say, the cost of e-bikes is not the same. It's much more than it costs a regular bike.

C

If you just lock it, and I do lock my bike all the time, someone could just pick it up put it.

C

Back a truck and take it I'm not willing for that to happen, so you want us to do an inventory and.

G

Audit of all the bike assets we have and that are at our our buildings, and then that would be the.

C

First step and then to see about because the bike rack we have in front of this building was donated.

C

Maybe seeing if someone would donate a bike rack here and there I think that's a good idea.

G

That I mean, like I said: if you, if you want people to use bikes or to use a walk or whatever.

C

There's a great picture yeah that hells angels, you have to have.

C

The infrastructure in place for them to do it. I don't think it's a major thing, but I think it.

C

Needs I think that was president biden on his way down. Yeah. Won't you just when we just plant a tree.

C

So hook it up to a tree, yeah, just change it to a tree. I've I've.

C

Hooked mine into light poles and other stuff, but it's it's not the best believe me.

C

Honestly, I I think it's a great idea, I'm not sure why it has to be.

A

It can be brought up here for attention to yeah so that we can direct staff. To do that. I mean.

C

That's just staffing: I got it. Yeah got it. It's the criminal justice program, criminal justice. That's.

E

It I knew I had okay, so close, weaver you're, so close did you say fat, tire or flat tire.

A

Depends on how heavy you are so I was just wondering, because if it's got a.

D

Flat tower, I'm not stealing it okay. Is there anything else? Yes, unfortunately, I have one.

D

So uh the miss carroll county scholarship, pageants, coming up on september, the 24th at westminster.

D

High school at 7 pm uh right well, they've they've stopped the registration, but there are 25.

D

Young ladies from carroll county, who are going to be in the in the pageant and.

D

They formed a new group, uh that's being uh the executive director is actually.

D

Miss maryland from carroll county that she was miss maryland in 2016, hannah, brewer, curtwright and.

D

They're going out and soliciting a lot of a lot of prizes and scholarships etc for the winner, so.

D

uh Because this is a miss carroll county uh pageant that that feeds miss maryland.

D

That eventually feeds miss america and both of those organizations are involved as well.

D

I would like to entertain after we do the homework, to ensure that it's.

D

We're doing whatever here the idea of providing a scholarship for the winner.

D

From carroll county government or the carroll county commissioners, if you will and I'm looking.

D

At a thousand dollar scholarship, so I'm not looking for that to be decided upon today, but.

D

If we want to make sure we do the right homework to provide that I'd like us to take that up and.

D

Look into whether we can do that. Well, I think if.

A

You know upon the right homework being done, then we just move forward with it. Okay, I mean I don't.

A

Want to make it no, I don't want to make a big deal about this, but I want to make sure that we.

D

We do it in the correct manner, but we we provide scholarships for other. I think it's a nice idea so.

G

I think it's uh sure and again it's you know it's it's uh really getting a lot of uh interesting.

A

Emotion, I think it's gonna, be you know a good good event, so yep dick you have any issue on that.

A

No okay, okay, anything else for open. I mean you want. We need emotion, we need emotion. I mean I.

A

I think uh upon doing the appropriate work, just study, okay, let's just move forward; okay, okay, thank.

A

You got it all right, okay, is there anything else for open admin? Did you say flat tire? I'm sorry.

A

Okay, come on up before it gets too too silly agendas.

A

So, on monday august 1st, it shows nothing on the agenda. However,.

A

The chamber of commerce is hosting a 4-h and ffa fair breakfast on monday morning.

A

We, as the board will be invited, have been now invited, so I I will be attending, I'm not sure.

A

Who else will be attending I'll? Be there? Okay, I'm not sure it depends on the time.

D

I think it's 8 a.m. It's typical I'm leaving monday, but I'm not sure when I'm leaving.

D

I'm going to try to be there as well. Okay, so we'll solidify that on tuesday august 2nd I'll be.

A

Attending a fort meade alliance rising stars event: it's a crab feast, really cool, rising stars. It's.

A

Young entrepreneurs workforce uh in the in the uh in the region.

A

On wednesday feast, huh it's it's a uh you had me at graphics, nothing I'll, tell you! It's sold.

A

Out and all those funds go to uh actually another scholarship ken mccready scholarship.

A

um Wednesday august 3rd, we have the, as mentioned by commissioner weaver earlier, the.

A

125Th anniversary uh of the fair, along with the cake auction, we'll be doing a proclamation.

A

At that uh planning, commission you take my name off of there, please, okay, all right! I was getting.

G

Ready to comment, there's cake involved and all five of us are going to show up.

G

um Planning, commission yeah, obviously that there won't be any representation unless somebody wants.

D

To leave the fair and go, but I don't right, it's a work. It's a it's! A their typical work session.

D

Right so there won't be a commissioner at that meeting, correct okay on thursday august 4th.

A

Public hearing for amendments to chapters 38 150, 153, 154, 159, 160.

A

Let's see, exercise an option to purchase critical form program, the douglas and sandra zepp property.

A

I've heard that name zepp before a few times: employment, campus solar text, amendment.

A

I1 and c2 districts text amendment approval of resolution for fiscal year; 22 centralized.

A

Agency year end adjustments, project management, software subscription renewal, annual agreement.

A

With keystone public safety, purchase of installation of air handler and condensing unit.

A

Purchase of three not two but three skag turf tiger mowers, I'm looking forward to that.

A

Purchase of two n-track tractors and a purchase of a new roll-up door- okay, hopefully, staff makes.

G

Photos of the items that we're purchasing- that's always nice and then in the afternoon.

A

The board will have our initial work session on agricultural and conservation codes.

A

Being facilitated by ms eisenberger or eisenberg, excuse me, director of department.

A

Planning nothing on friday, nothing on saturday sunday, commissioner frazier has the podcast.

A

Following week, we have nothing scheduled for monday on tuesday.

A

I will be attending the ag center board meeting that evening wednesday. Nothing scheduled thursday.

A

Approval of resolution for fy 22 year end adjustments by mr celeski.

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And then that afternoon, our second work session for agricultural and conservation codes.

A

Nothing scheduled friday saturday and commissioner boucher has the podcast on sunday august, 14th.

F

There'll be more items yeah. Well, if they're. If not, I was going to suggest that we.

D

Yeah we'll move the work session up, but right yeah early days, and if that, if there's only a couple.

D

Yeah, why not? Why wait one o'clock, I agree: yeah I'll bring one more thing up, because we're not.

C

Close, yet what because we're still open right, we are still we're looking. I was just thought about.

C

Since we're talking about parks, let's look at bike racks for the parks as well, not just buildings.

A

And the schools, what about schools? Schools should do that on our own, but it's a good idea.

C

Sheriff's department, that's our building one of our buildings. That's honestly, you heard.

A

That from a hurricane over here, okay, is there anything else? I need a motion to adjourn so moved.

A

I'll second, it, okay is there any discussion about adjournment all in favor.

A

Aye aye against now how's leighton.

K