Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 8 Sep 2022

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Okay, good morning, commercial, ed, rothschild thursday september 8th, we have.

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Our open session this morning and no work session this afternoon.

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So, as always, let's um start with the pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence and before.

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We stand uh september. 11Th is sunday it'll, be our 21st anniversary of that horrific day.

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Just uh at least for me, my moment of silence is reflecting during that time we will be having an.

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Event at the training center, starting at 8 30 on sunday september 11th on sunday, okay, thanks.

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And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice.

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Okay, I see we have no proclamations either, which is uh something we used them all up.

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Last week, yeah no kidding proclamation right into uh priority carol. uh Commissioner boucher.

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Good morning, thank you, commissioner. I want to start off by reading the new hires to the county.

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It's always a pleasure to welcome them aboard start out nicholas blizzard emergency.

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Communications, specialist, public safety, brian boecke, director of public works, kimberly, dubert.

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Administrative assistant, fire and ems david foster program aid, citizen services, john geisler, plumbing.

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Inspector permits an inspection, grayson, hubble, emergency communications, specialist, public safety.

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Giannia porter park, superintendent reckon parks, kimberly, robinson buyer purchasing, amanda.

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Schreider omni buzzman assistant, citizen services, connor trump emergency communications, specialist.

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Public safety, sarah roos program, specialist citizen services, caleb ludwig sheriff recruitment.

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Sheriff's office cody poole sheriff recruitment, sheriff's office and lisa wise record unit.

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Technicians sheriff's office, welcome aboard it's always a pleasure to announce ames look forward.

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To you being successful with this, mr swam, do you have anything for me to show the public to go over.

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Maybe not, I don't think we can do that today. It seems to have frozen up.

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All right well we'll pass on to something else. Everyone have a lovely day. Thank you very much.

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Wrapped it up, okay, and uh also with new hires uh kim, did you want to uh give us a.

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An announcement of a also new hire: yes, a vip hire, I'm bringing up miss christie bixler. She.

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Will be the new director of hr um taking over? For me, I'm leaving things in great hands for her.

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I look forward to it. We've had her already this morning and she's still here, yay.

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About an hour we fed her, so all is good, um so it's good, um so I wanted to bring.

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Her up and introduce her, you look awfully happy handing this off. This is something we don't know.

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No I'm here to help her out whatever she needs for the time that I'm.

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Still here and we will go from there, thank you. Thank you all for the opportunity. I appreciate.

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It I'm looking forward to joining the team at carroll county and continuing the success that.

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You've had and moving the organization forward, so I'm excited. Thank you welcome. Thank you very.

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Happy that you're here and that's why I let you in the building this morning. Thank you. I appreciate.

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That I appreciate that I may borrow your bike at some point and uh great selfless service.

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That you've provided came to our community for as long as you have um welcome as well. Bringing the.

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uh Good things from pennsylvania, I hope and leaving some of the bad things.

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In pennsylvania and keeping you know, you know providing your leadership here and.

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Really looking forward to it, so thank you, um as I said, kim, thank you for what you've done. You've.

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Always been there for us to help and I'm sure you're going to be always doing the same exact.

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Thing so good luck to you and your retirement and good luck to you in this new endeavor. Thank you.

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So uh if I'll be able to say goodbye to you later on, but uh in public we've known each other for.

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A long time yeah and uh don't date me I'm not gonna, do that, because then that does back to me.

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So uh yeah, just for everything that you've done here and listen hr is.

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One of the most challenging uh departments in any jurisdiction- uh and I don't know that that's.

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Arguable, I believe it truly is I dabbled in a little bit in another jurisdiction and rapidly.

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Got the heck out of there uh because there's just always something and with that being said,.

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When there's always somethings came up, you've always been here. uh 24 7 at the beckoning call so.

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um Congratulations to you on a phenomenal career here in the county, and you know that I wish you.

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And john and chris and the rest of your family, uh nothing, but the best moving forward we'll be out.

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At the farm museum this weekend for the tractor show yeah. If you're bored come out to the tractor.

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Show and- and it's always interesting because you know be careful what you say about people.

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Kim kim and john travel to a lot of these tractor shows, and you were in indiana two weeks ago and in.

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The end everybody came with somebody that knows, commissioner how's steve lance and I'm like wait.

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What so you know, unfortunately, I forgot his name, so that's probably a good thing, but anyway, that's.

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Another aspect of hr- I mean you know you just all these things that are, that you're responsible for.

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So I know that you'll hit the ground running. You already have, and uh I know you'll do a good job.

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But kim, thank you so much you're welcome. Thank you. Thank you kim. Thank you, okay. Thank you very much.

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uh Commissioner put this up here, so people know who you are enjoy the farm anyway, yeah.

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Two and a half priorities with 87 days to go if they don't know by now, it's you know whatever.

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uh Yeah, a few things uh had a planning and zoning meeting the other night. It's one of.

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The work sessions uh had a good meeting. I've been advised that the planning and.

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Zoning meeting coming up is going to be all day as a matter of fact, they're bringing lunch in so.

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Got to love stuff, that's going on in planning and zoning. That's for lunch, and I say I don't know I.

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Don't know anyway, they do a great job. There. I've said this numerous times uh the the folks that.

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We brought on board and the way in which we bring them on board. Now, with the interviews uh has been.

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Nothing less than uh wonderful there. Those those guys are really a great part of that so kudos to.

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uh Planning and zoning um tonytown lions club will be celebrating their 75th anniversary next week.

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Their charter night is tuesday evening, I believe, and I'll be there to uh celebrate with them.

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We're gonna soon be able to see charles carroll community center.

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uh We're gonna go look at that later on, I'm looking forward to what that brings to that.

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Community up there and I've given enough sermons about that so I'll, just let that go.

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September 24th I'm putting a plug in for the carroll county scholarship pageant to be held.

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At westminster, high school first time in many years that has been brought back.

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By two, two folks that are really uh involved in this, one of them was miss maryland in 2016.

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Hannah brewer and her mom, heidi and I think, there's 22 young ladies in this contest.

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uh So it's going to be a great evening, go on their website and you can get tickets for that event.

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Two other things: public safety, wise and then I'll be done and well nfl kicks off tonight. Yay.

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To that, uh that's a sure, sign of fall. The rams in buffalo um yeah so I'll be seeing um I'll be.

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Seeing you at m t well, you and I will be seeing each other at the bank. Mr burke, so that's good.

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Had a shock trauma board meeting, as you know, I've been representing carroll county on that board for.

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One of the eight years that I've been here and.

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Dr scalia has been there now for 25 years and uh having that sort of an institution.

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Close to us, which is the best in the world, uh has been nothing short of of tremendous.

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And uh you know, they've touched a ton of lives, but dr scalia particularly uh took um the the.

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Ball from from uh dr cali, and and took it a step further, and uh you know if the, if you don't think.

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That they have done phenomenal work there. All you got to do is talk to dr scalia about the.

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Challenges that they've had over the last year or two not just with covid but with the fact.

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That that the baltimore city is in the shape that it's in down there with the with the continuous.

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Activity that occurs there so anyway, uh celebrating the 25th uh anniversary of dr scalia.

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This saturday night uh I'll be representing carol there. uh We did present a proclamation to shock.

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Trauma on behalf of all of us, and uh I recorded a little message: that's going to be playing.

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uh At the event site, saturday evening from carroll, as well as other uh various elected officials,.

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uh But I'm looking forward to uh honoring a gentleman who is just um he's he's one of the.

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Smartest guys I've ever had the opportunity to talk with and he uh he came up to me.

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uh Last week and thanked uh thanked me and thanked the county for making the commitment that we did.

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With the funding that we give to shock trauma on an annual basis- and I want to thank my colleagues.

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For for doing that, as well, so that's saturday evening and I'm looking forward to that and.

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Finally, uh ed you mentioned 911 touched everyone in a lot of ways. Of course, 343 is ingrained in my.

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Mind because that's the amount of firefighters and paramedics that lost their lives that day.

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I was on night work and it was just it was a. It was an eerie night.

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uh To work- uh and you know it's interesting- I tell this story a lot usually when you go into.

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To take over for another shift, uh they're out of there they're out of there as quick as they can.

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Get they're relieved see ya, see you tomorrow, uh that particular that particular night as.

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We relieved the shift that we were coming on for nobody left. Everybody stayed in the station that.

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I was assigned to and we all just sat there and we continued to watch the coverage and it was one of.

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The most it was one of the most life-altering experiences that I've ever had in my 47 years.

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In the fire service, so I look forward to honoring all of those each year and we are very lucky here.

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In carroll to have a piece of that tragedy, I was part of cc visa when we acquired that.

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And that wasn't easy, so I applaud those that were able to get that piece of steel and.

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It's it's. It's displayed out there and when the governor was here last month or whenever.

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He was incredibly taken back by the fact that carol actually has uh this display, so he spent a.

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Good deal of time there talking with me about 911 and where he was and whatever uh in front of this.

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So that ceremony is at 8 30.. We always encourage the public to attend. It's a it's a short ceremony.

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It's only about 30 minutes long and uh we'll be laying a wreath there in honor of all those.

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That lost their lives, and I encourage folks to if you can't come just take a moment sunday morning.

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To remember how that not only changed the lives of us that were involved, but it changed the lives of.

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All of us in this country, so with that being said, I'm done. Thank you, commissioner frasier. Okay, we.

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Had the meeting of the opioid senior policy group on wednesday, it would be my last meeting with them.

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A very it was very sad meeting I was kidding for who for me everyone else. Oh okay, I was very happy.

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That I was leaving, there's applause, that the I couldn't get it, but anyway they had a party uh a.

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Good good thing that came out a good information came out. There was that the overdose fatalities.

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In carroll, county are down eight and a half percent from this year as compared to this.

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Time last year, which is really great, is real, really good sign that course year's not over.

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We don't know what's going to be at the end of the year, but as at the same time from you know, last.

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Of last year to this year, it's down eight and a half percent, and this group meets there's.

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I think there's like 34 people on the call, because it's a virtual meeting right now.

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But what the value of this is one someone and I won't get into details, but someone brought up.

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An incident that had happened- and you know what had happened it. It was goes back and.

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Forth but then people said you know why, maybe we should look at doing it this way in the future.

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Doing it that way, so they got together and something that happened that wasn't the best.

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And we came up with another way to handle it in the future and now everyone's on board.

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With working toward a solution so that the incident that happened wouldn't happen again,.

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So that's why these groups are so valuable when everyone gets together and talks, because then you.

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Have synergy and people go back and forth about? We could do this. We could do this. We could do this.

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And it moves forward, so that was really good. It was like it crystallized in my mind why we.

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Had these these meetings with it with all the different agencies and there's going.

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To be a suicide, luminary walk at wakefield valley park on september, 9th from 7 30 to 9.

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00 and out of the darkness walk at krimgo park on september 10th at 10 o'clock in the morning.

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um I will be at the one at crim gold park, I'm not sure about the wakeful valley park uh park right.

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There, with you, okay and commissioner boucher will be at criminal park as well also brings up the.

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988, which was launched in june, if you're, having any feelings of harming yourself or other people,.

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Please call 988 get the help that you need you'll be connected with a local professional that can.

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Help you and I'll stop right there. Thank you, okay! Thank you, commissioner weaver. uh Well, first.

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Of all, um I guess this weekend, uh the uh at the foreign museum, the mason-dixon historical society.

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Has their show there if you want to take the family out to check turn of the century? Last.

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Century uh agriculture and how it worked, uh they'll be available and one thing coming up.

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That is really very moving on uh 923 post 200 american legion hampstead always has their pow.

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Mia candlelight vigil- and that's always a very uh touching uh moment there and, as it already alluded.

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To this sunday morning we do have the 911 ceremony out here at the public training center, but also.

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I asked everybody with everything going on uh this weekend: the maryland state fair has.

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Extended an extra weekend, saturday and sunday, the football seasons kicks off for the ravens.

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Here on sunday and a lot of teams, but take a few minutes and remember what happened.

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In 911, where you were and what happened, and what this meant to this country and.

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Just take if you can't attend the ceremony, please just take a few minutes remind your family members.

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uh What happened and why we uh or the country we are so thank you. I I appreciate and I'll be.

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Sharing a few thoughts uh that morning- and um you know nothing about 911 for those who.

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Passed and perished was partisan. They didn't care if they were black white asian islamic.

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You know jew christian, whatever you know, people died, they died and uh you know it's just this.

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This um attitude of you know uh very frustrating right now, name calling and all these other garbage.

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That's out there, uh it's like we, we lose the bubble on what happens of just being who we are.

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So um because it hit everybody, you know and uh we always look at excuse me. We always look at things.

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On anniversaries, whether it's a zero or five, the 20th anniversary or the 25th anniversary, this is.

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The 21st anniversary- or uh you know, time of 9 11., it's just as important as the 20th or 25th or any.

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Other date- and we should reflect on it that way that this should never ever uh be forgotten. The.

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Other thing I just want to share on a much lighter note, and a very positive note is: um I happen to.

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Participate in a couple work sessions, not knowing that the three of you were going to be sitting.

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Here in the audience, participating in a couple work sessions held by the board of education.

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Regarding the schools, public schools and the redistricting ideas of the public schools.

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Specifically in the southern part of our county as there's some continued growth happening, I believe.

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All of my colleagues and I, along with the board of education, along with a whole lot of others, got.

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Input from the community on what their desires are on either moving forward or not moving forward.

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Very much appreciated and really appreciate when the community comes together and has the ability.

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To reach out and build a dialogue with us with the board of education with the superintendent.

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With the school system because their voice matters, I was very impressed by the volunteers.

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The sarc, which is the I don't know southern area redistricting committee wow. I threw that.

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One out there um and uh it was a handful of volunteers. It was a couple from our own staff.

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um And they came together with uh recommendations and options. I was very impressed with the board of.

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Education's dialogue over the two work sessions. It was very much in depth uh very thoughtful. You know.

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And we came away yesterday and I was appreciative of having the ability to participate with.

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The board of education work sessions came away yesterday with some ideas that they I.

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Believe are going to bring forward in their next formal meeting by motions and approvals on what.

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The next steps are going to be in a feasibility study of looking at a couple of the schools and.

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Keeping the momentum going in understanding the needs for redistricting in the southern.

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Part of the county and the communities, but not jumping right into redistricting decisions. Let's.

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Do the feasibilities of capital projects, potential capital projects and then move forward, so I may be.

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Giving a little bit of a preview of some of what's going to be happening next week, but uh very good.

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In-Depth conversations, I believe they were both taped and you can view them as well. The documents.

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I mean we're talking about 100 pages of stuff is also available on the ccps website. I believe and.

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Very in-depth, very thoughtful process you realize redistricting is probably one of the toughest.

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Things any school system ever has to do, because, no matter what you do, somebody's going to be unhappy.

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In the process, but it's sometimes just needed, it has to happen and should happen on a regular basis.

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Well, I I think what was really most important to me and then I'll get off of this is that you got.

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To put it on the table and whether it stays on the table or not, but you've got to put on the table.

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And have that open discussion and that's what the board of education uh did over the last two work.

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Sessions, that's what the input from the community allowed us uh to further. You know discuss.

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So I I really was impressed by the uh the process that took place and.

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You know superintendent, you know your leadership goes a long ways and that showed with the staff.

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So I appreciate that as well with that and it's a pretty good segue. Let's get right into item number.

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One, which is the fy22 operating budget adjustment, 22 tag-01 for the carroll county, public schools.

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Good morning and thank you, I wanted that john, you did okay, too, oh wow. Thank you. I wanted to.

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Shock commissioner wentz by bringing the a team today, yeah all-star, kids.

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A-Plus, I guess obviously you're not talking about mr burke.

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Good morning, not this one yeah, that's right. I had to clarify that.

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There you go good morning, commissioners, I wanted to.

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Come over personally this morning to bring greetings from the school system and let.

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You know that we've had a successful start to another school year. The first few days of school.

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Are are going very well. I also wanted to thank you for your ongoing support of the school system.

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And we are here for a budget adjustment, hopefully a simple budget adjustment and with that I'll.

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Turn it over to mr o'neill great. Thank you. Thank you. Superintendent mccabe, we're here.

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For a budget budget adjustment um for in-kind support in our budget- and I I have the real mr.

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Burke here for technical guidance and help, if, as opposed to the fake mystery, the other, mr burke.

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So so this is a budget adjustment. It's a little bit interesting because it's not um revenue. That's.

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Discretionary in terms of the board of ed's ability to use it or spin it in a certain way.

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It's rather a recognition of the contribution you make to the school system through funding the.

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School resource officer program through sheriff dewees's office, and so this has been in place for.

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A few years since the safe to learn act passed, I believe in 2018 and your staff notified us.

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The middle of the last month, roughly that it was time to recognize it in in the portion of.

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Our budget or in our budget, where other in-kind services have have always been recognized, so it's.

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Not new or different or unique in that sense, it's just that in terms of the sro program, county staff.

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Is now recognizing that contribution in the board of ed's budget? From a timing standpoint, however,.

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That came after the board of vet had adopted the budget and you had finalized the county budget.

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And so it would throw our um our budget uh categorical, total a little bit off if we don't.

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Go ahead and make the adjustment in real time, so we asked the board of ed to do that last month.

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We asked for a quick turnaround on your agenda, which we appreciate so that, hopefully you can.

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Approve this approve this now and then it will be accounted for in the annual financial audit. That's.

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Required of every border vet in maryland within the next month, or so so with that we are happy to.

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Answer any questions- or this has probably been one of the most successful programs in the country as.

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It was recognized, and you know the school system sheriff's department put together a phenomenal.

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Program and those deputies, I've seen them in action. They really do a great job and even.

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When they're not in school in the summer, the number of kids that run up to them.

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And actually hug them and talk to them is unbelievable. The program is true: community.

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Policing and yet keeping our schools safe and thank you sheriff for sitting in the back here.

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As well as the school system for making this happen, but this is uh unbelievable program, you.

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Guys have uh developed in the counties uh has a little part of that, but um truly is uh phenomenal.

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Mr o'neal, thanks for explaining the technical aspect of this, because the accounting gets kind.

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Of convoluted at times also, I thank superintendent mccabe for attending today. This is very timely of.

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You to show up as school starts. I believe this might be the first time as superintendent you've.

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Been before this board, I think you inspire others, and it's good for the public to see you here.

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Conversing with us, because so often we have to interact on these issues.

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And I wish you tremendous success, I know you're responsible for taking me out and.

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Interviewed uh mental health officials in the school system, you know how important that is to me.

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And I, if there's anything in the future, you want me to go out and do a follow-up. I'd love to.

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Participate in that, because we're not at woods yet and I'm sure that your staff has a lot of concerns.

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We want to make sure we keep the public informed and also I want to thank the sheriff back there.

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I believe that this sro program is laying the groundwork for future.

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Deputies, I mean the positive impact that this program is having upon our younger generations.

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Is going to pay off tremendous dividends in the future, so I'm very grateful for everything.

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All of you do it makes this county, so wonderful. So thank you. Thank you. Okay,.

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With that I'll make the motion board of it board of commissioners approve the operating.

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Budget adjustment 22-01 for the board of education, fy 22 operating fund budget. Second, I got a motion.

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I think a couple of seconds any discussion seen here, none all in favor all right. I.

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Just also share with the sro last year with that young man who was taken care of, and it was a full.

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Court press with the nurse and everybody involved, the rotc and with the sro and most recently with.

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The young man at winter's mill football game because you talked about shock trauma and I that's.

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What I thought about is the work that they're doing at shock trauma as he was flown there.

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The update from the article today, but also speaking with you as well, that he is moving.

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In the right direction, and that's great so providing strength and courage to him.

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And his family and you know sheriff again thank you for sharing with me his father.

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You know so I was able to reach out to him as well, uh and his father is one of our team.

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Teammates uh in the sheriff's department, so um yeah shock trauma is one of a kind, so fantastic.

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Just want to throw that out there good stuff. Okay! Thank you very much. Thank you now, let's talk about.

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Acceptance of fy, 23, police accountability, community and transparency grant.

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So we're here this morning um asking for your approval for accepting an award that.

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For a grant that we received we put in earlier in the spring for the fy 23 police, accountability.

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Community and transparency grant known as the pact grant they're famous for acronyms, so the.

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Office was awarded this grant to assist with the implementation of requirements.

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Of the maryland house bill 670, which requires the establishment of additional accountability and.

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Discipline processes for law enforcement, support for body, worn cameras was also an eligible expense.

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We put in and received our entire request the components of that were two kinds of software: that.

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Were we feel we're going to need going forward as part of meeting the requirements for hb 670.

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A public portal for tracking investigations and complaints and a public information act.

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Tracking software expecting just increases and being able to better manage and track those.

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And also hardware, computers, monitors and network management devices and antennas.

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To support the body worn camera uploads in the vehicles, so just more components of the project.

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That we came to you uh last week for as you see in your briefing for budget, there are two.

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Categories, software and hardware: the total program we were awarded 198 thousand nine hundred dollars.

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So we're asking for your um accepting of the grant, so there is no county match to it. Mrs mcdonald.

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And debbie stanford and the grant's office are excellent at looking for grants and quickly.

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Putting in for them and securing funds like this, so that we can have this one-time money to do.

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This this was the antenna like the uh their own server that I was talking about last last week.

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This money covers that, but there's also a public portal that needs to be put in place. So that says.

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The public, if you're the the complaint in an investigation against one of my deputies, you.

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Can track it, this software will be purchased, um is a is a higher level software that a lot of big.

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Agencies use and it doesn't just track complaints, but it's also um a system that will uh identify.

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Any issues for for the future um use of force, uh training there's a number of things in this.

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Piece of software that really helps us with hb, 650 and and and tracking that.

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And it'll help mr burke's office and the new um accountability. Folks that you you put into place.

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Will you be able to track this just if you're the complainant, or will anyone be able to track.

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What's going on it's a complaint yeah, so yes, so the part of the bill requirements are if.

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Someone a citizen files, a complaint that they're required to be able to log in to a system and.

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Track the status of their complaint, okay, so other people won't be able to track. What's going on, okay,.

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Yeah, so they get a for lack of a better words. They get a pin number that they can.

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Access and once the complaint's done and they're notified of resolution, the complaint, then it would.

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Deactivate and and um but again uh I don't get a lot of complaints, so there won't be a lot of.

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uh Traffic going through that, but still it's it's got to be put in place by every agency.

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In the state- and so this really solves an awful lot, not only does it solve a lot with.

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Notifying the public in a portal for for the public. But it's also a system that my internal.

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Investigators can use in order to to enter information into the system so that so that.

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I can go in and track the complaint and see where they're at, and so it is a good system.

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And this covers the software uh support for one year. Yes, just for and what's I understand, but.

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Is there a chance to get grants for the couple of years, or uh I don't know when I've already.

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Spoken with our budget analysts so she's, aware of both all that software and the potential for.

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Ongoing since it's something that we're going to need, but they never tell you, this is a new grant.

K

So with it being new and it literally popped up at the very last minute in may, it was like, what's.

K

This for oh okay, let's get busy, so you never know if they will in turn put it out again next year,.

K

And so we keep an eye on that. But yeah budget's already aware that those pieces may will need to.

K

Continue regardless, if there's a greater, I mean something we have to do so. It's nice to have the.

F

Grant money it could be, it could be something then, and heidi knows that that we have to budget for.

L

In our years that we may budget and still apply for the grant and be able to.

L

To get it unfunded mandate um right now, we're up to probably almost two million dollars just in.

L

Besides this and hardware for for the cars and body-worn cameras- and you know we're in the high.

L

High 100s right now, that's all been grant funded through um grants that that mrs mcdonald and.

L

Debbie have applied for that. We've been awarded um but, for example, the body-worn camera and.

L

The in-car camera system, all the software and hardware that goes with that that's five years.

L

If we can't find another grant in five years, then then the next board's gonna have to look at.

L

How we fund that and um but our analyst is exceptional and she gets it. So we look at.

L

What's gonna happen in the next five six years, if we can't get another grant and so.

L

But everything so far has been taken care of through grants.

M

F

Yeah I make the motion of the board of county commissioners accept the fy 23.

F

Police accountability, community and transparency grant second got motion second and discussion.

A

All in favor and thank you for the support of my deputy and his uh son over at winters mill.

L

Perry lyons is the deputy uh he works over at the circuit. Courthouse he's an excellent individual.

L

His son's a a good young man and very tragic but they're they're, pulling through and and hopefully.

L

By the grace of god, he'll make a full recovery, but at this point there's no explanation as to what.

L

Happened, but had it not been for first responders um at st john's, had it not been for an aed which.

L

Was placed on him, he would not have survived no two ways about it right. So we appreciate.

A

The support, thank you. Thank you. Okay, let's talk about lamp posts, boy, trying some light on this one.

F

We went from waiting to say it went from schools to eyeworm cameras to lamp posts. You hear it all.

C

Exciting stuff, good morning, commissioners, before we start, I would like to um introduce kim robinson.

N

She is the buyer in the office of procurement, and at this point I am going to turn it over to kim.

F

Oh, thank you so much new buyer. My wife like to have a job as a buyer.

F

She does that all the time in my house right now go ahead. I appreciate the welcome and I it's a.

O

Pleasure meeting you all, um but today, where I have um the office of procurement and cooperation with.

O

The bureau of facilities request your approval to award the purchase of eight exterior land posts.

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To cn robinson ltg supply company and the amount of twenty nine thousand three hundred thirty four.

O

Dollars these units will be installed at the carroll county house. Annex um cnn robinson was.

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Awarded a competitively bid contract by baltimore county, this amount is approved in the fy 23 budget.

O

And no additional funds should be required morning. Commissioners, we're here today for your approval.

D

To purchase new site lighting for the courthouse annex current site lighting is 25 years old and.

D

Is near end of lifespan, the conversion to led from incandescent will provide longer lifespan of these.

D

Current fixtures and could reduce the energy up to 75 percent uh rather than incandescent lights,.

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That we currently have on site. They also provide a higher lumen output, which will improve safety.

D

And more security around that site being in the crucial area that it is in the existing pools, are.

D

In poor condition as well, so the new poles we're going to be replacing is going to be powder coated.

D

Which will prevent corrosion rust on the new poles and expand, extend the life span of those.

D

Pools as well, uh one of the things here is the installation for this project will be.

D

Done in-house by facility staff, and as of now, the the polls are currently 14 18 weeks out.

D

um And the fixtures the lamps are eight to ten weeks out so once we receive all the components.

D

Our main goal is to get this project in and done before winter time. What do you do with.

F

The old lamppost that you're taking out well we'll recycle them put them in the scrap bin to landfill.

D

Cause, I was just at auction this past weekend and they were selling some old lampposts or something.

F

From I know where it came from, but you know they were public stuff yep. We could potentially look.

D

Into that um we haven't done that in the past uh we usually keep one or two just for spares in case.

D

We need parts at another site and then the other ones we recycle, but we we could look into that.

F

That's just curious, thank you. You know 25 years again, it's just.

A

To me, when I hear things that are 25 years or longer like this, we purchase really well.

A

The quality and purchasing quality allows us to go along. You know, lifespan and I've said it before.

A

With maintenance or preventive maintenance is just phenomenal. When I sit back and hear.

A

We're replacing something after 25 30 40 years, we've done good. We've done very well so yeah.

D

Just uh just a side note they're going to mimic the the lights out here along.

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The front here on, where center street the six side lantern. So I'm trying to make everything.

D

Uniform around the complex okay, that's a good idea.

G

I'll move the board of commissioners approved the purchase of eight lamp posts for carroll county.

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Courthouse annex to cn robinson in the amount of twenty nine thousand three hundred thirty four.

G

Dollars second, we've got a motion guys second and discussion didn't hear none all in favor.

A

All right, okay, all right! Thank you absolutely thank you. Now. Let's talk about culvert repairs,.

P

Good morning, commissioners, good morning, okay, the office of procurement and cooperation.

O

With the bureau of roads, operation request your approval to use an existing term contract with.

O

Proshot concrete incorporator to make multiple culvert repairs six plates within three locations.

O

On stover road and tawnytown, at the cost of fifty four thousand seven hundred and eighty dollars.

O

Let's turn it over to kathy good morning, um as we've been doing over the past few years,.

P

We've been investigating the structures under the roads due to failures, dips and these pipes.

P

Once dover road are failing, the ground is eroding underneath the bad pipes, so we want to have pro.

P

Shot come in do a three inch lining um one there's two set three sets of twin pipes: one pipe will.

P

Have a seven foot invert liner, the one will have a three foot and one will have a five foot.

P

Invert that will be concreted and then we will be able to go back in and do the repairs on.

P

The road and we'll not have any more washout and depressions and doing these repairs actually saves.

C

Us a lot of money as opposed to pulling the entire pipe out. Absolutely it keeps the roads open it. It.

P

Saves a lot of money by having them repaired and they they last, for you know another 50 years great.

C

With that, I move that the board of commissioners approved the culvert repairs on stover road.

C

To pro shot concrete inc in the amount of fifty four thousand seven hundred eighty dollars.

C

Second got motion. Second, any discussion seen here done all in favor all right, all right: okay,.

A

You're one for one now: let's talk about double chip, seal treatment with fog, seal.

B

Sealing going on, what's that a lot of sealing going on there's a lot of ceiling! That's streaming.

A

Foxy sounds like an ice cream, sundae or something fine. Okay, go ahead, the office of procurement and.

O

Cooperation, the beautiful birds operation request your approval to add additional monies to an.

O

Existing double chip, seal with fog, seal surface treatment, project to american, paving fabrics.

O

Incorporated the amount of 508 157.37 bring the total project costs to one million three hundred.

O

And seventy thousand eight hundred seventeen dollars and thirty seven cents. This request is due.

O

Because of an increase in the asphalt index and square yardage adjustment, this work is per carroll.

O

County contract, this amount is within the fy 23 budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

Any questions on this um I had asked chris swam to put some pictures up of.

P

What this year's roads look like I've got, I believe, john shirk balker turkey foot.

P

The increase is substantial and I'm aware of that, but we also increased the square yardage by about.

P

80 000., when we do these cost estimates initially we base the road on 18 feet wide.

P

Some of these roads, kuamu at sawmill, for instance, can have areas that are 30 feet wide.

P

To allow for pull pull-off and things like that. Additionally, this year we asked the contractor to.

P

Go side to side last year we pretty much stuck with our 18 feet and we have found that we're.

P

Getting a lot of wash out with the ditch lines and it's kind of eroding underneath a little bit.

P

So this year the contractor was, um it was requested to do side to side they're going.

P

Down over the sides of the dish line, so we're not having any wash out and over years gravel.

P

Roads tend to have gotten a little bit wider, so 18 foot is just an average that we came up with and.

P

That's what you know amounted for the additional eighty thousand dollars or eighty thousand square.

P

Yards in addition to the asphalt index which everybody's aware of has been astronomical.

P

um The asphalt index alone is 175 thousand dollars it's just because of what you know. It cost with.

P

The fuel pricing since the contract was put in place back in january. I believe january february.

P

I'm sorry february 9th is when we signed this contract and then, as we all know, fuel prices went.

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Through the roof, so that's the justification for the additional cost. Any questions.

C

I appreciate this program and I think we've been going through a learning curve. I know, commissioner,.

C

Williams and I have dealt with commission constituent calls, especially during the winter.

C

And we had to see what works, what don't work and addressing the fact that the war shall was taking.

C

Place on the side is one of those, in particular things that need to be addressed. So I appreciate.

C

What you're doing and I like that, a lot of the citizens out there who are initially resistant.

C

To the idea, once they've seen it in place, they realize it is still a gravel road, but it's harder.

C

And it's preserved better, especially in the winter, because the winter time is when we.

C

See the most damage with the water getting in there and freezing and busting it off.

C

And with that, I moved that the board of commissioners approved the additional amount of.

C

508 thousand dollars 157.37 cents to american, paving fabrics, inc.

C

For the double chip, seal of fog, seal surface treatment, project.

F

Second, okay: I got a motion a second and discussion and you have one question: yes, sir, since you're.

F

Gone, you said: you're, normally 18 foot wide. What you're looking at you make an adjustment.

F

To that, so when your calculations come in that you're closer to what it is next year, yes, we.

P

Without if you travel these roads, you know you can stop 15 different spots and have.

P

15 different locations in different widths next year, we are finishing up the project.

P

So we only have, I believe, about 10 to 11 miles of road left, so there you know we can.

P

Try to measure every 50 feet or every 100 feet, but it still is very tough because some places.

P

Literally, are very skinny right and then some are very wide. So right, I was just thinking since.

F

18 feet doesn't seem to be enough. Why don't I just make it 20.? I could do that and just go from there.

P

21, if you have extra money, it's not a big deal right right. I could do that.

H

So yeah, so how long are these services lasting? We just did hugh's shop, we're doing it again.

H

It's huge shops on here. Oh this is for what was what was don right. This is for the project that.

P

Was just finished, this is what was okay, that's the dirt part of, or the gravel party shop. Okay,.

P

Yes, yes, this is, for the gravel part of hue shop, you're thinking, america, okay. Yes, we did ask for.

P

Additional money for american paving for their preservation: this is for the gravel road project.

P

Yes, they're two separate things: okay, I I don't like double chip seal. I don't like it. I don't.

H

Like the fog seal, I never have. I've been. I've said that for a long time- and I don't think.

H

I've asked a couple times for dpw to look at a different way of doing these.

H

Things because I think there's a different there's got to be better ways to do it and.

H

I don't think we're getting you've always told me, you thought we were.

H

But I don't think we're getting our bang for the buck on these things. I just don't.

H

And and I've been hearing from constituents that we're not on the preservation end or on.

P

The gravel road both ends, but both the pres, it just seems, like you know, from from a constituent.

H

Standpoint we're there and then we come back and then we come back again and come back.

H

As a whole, whether it's preservation or the double chip seal, when you're you're resurfacing the roads.

H

And that's why I asked about hugh's shop because the wear and tear on hugh shop. I know we how.

H

How long has it been since we've done that one catholic we got doug behind you also I'm getting.

H

I'm getting away from this, I get this preservation part of it. I got it but yeah we are looking at.

Q

Remember we brought before you uh about a month or so ago with engineering uh the new thin overlays.

Q

Where we took uh that that is another option. So we we hear what you're saying uh we are.

Q

Exploring into that, that's the first time that uh we have done that uh in quite some time, so.

Q

We are working for the thin overlay and- and I will say recently I have actually heard uh and.

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Forward along some uh compliments, I've seen those two from pinch valley uh where they said this.

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Is fantastic? uh You have have, you know solved those problems. I, it is absolutely a fine edge.

Q

And every time we're on that edge, it's it does become about the money and the bang that we can.

Q

Get for the buck overall in the county, and yes, are there things out there that would last longer.

Q

Yes, commissioner, you're right there there are, but those come at a must, much more costly.

Q

Dollar amount to put those down and put those in place which would shrink the amount of roads that.

Q

We can do I mean thanks to you all in three years, I will tell you and kathy and jim can allude our.

Q

Complaints on gravel roads for what we have done in the last two years have turned from majority.

Q

Of complaint to majority of compliment, so, while we still may have the customers out there, that.

Q

Complain occasionally, uh we we are getting more of compliments and complaints yeah. I usually only get.

H

The complaints- yes, that's exactly that, um we're sorry and we're trying yeah. I know I know you are.

H

And I just you know it won't be for me to decide, but I hope that you continue to look at others.

H

Absolute methods, because chip seal- I just I'm, not a big fan- I just have never, we would love it.

Q

And if we're able to get some of that 10 million dollars in state highway revenue funds, it was.

Q

Cut many years ago back, you would certainly be able to uh address that even more aggressively.

Q

But until that catches up, it is a difficult test to get and it sounds easy to make them wider and.

H

That's that's a great comment, but you know we just had an incident up where we, when we did make it.

H

Wider, you got into a conversation with the folks yeah with a couple folks. That said, wait a minute.

H

That's my property sure, let's be careful about how wide we make these things so and I think I think.

Q

The comment to width is, if it did, if the road does exist, just to clarify on that issue, and that is a.

Q

Good point: if the road already existed in gravel before when they took an 18-foot path, it's just.

Q

Like a paver going down, they set that thing on 18 feet, they find the middle and they go, which means.

Q

If it actually happened to be 20 feet, we've still got or 22 2 foot on each side. Hanging over that.

Q

Weren't treated what that does for our dollar is, then it doesn't make it as effective, because the.

Q

Water penetrates that gets under it and will erode the sides of the road because people travel on it.

Q

So not extending the width of the roadway but covering the existing width of the roadway.

Q

Which, as you all know, changes on these roads depend upon where they're at, but we are cognizant.

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Of property owner rights and we're cognizant of the fact that 70 of our roads, honor about.

Q

A prescriptive easement- and we are always very respectful of that, but maintaining it to keep the.

Q

Road open, but I appreciate that and allowing us to clarify that point. Well again, I in in no way this.

H

Is not a negative to to you all as staff, because you do a phenomenal job and the very fact that you.

H

Changed the way in which we communicated with those that live on these roads was.

H

Wonderful and you've done a great job, but in my in the back of my mind, the chip seal is just.

H

It's just something: I've never been a fan of uh won't be for the next 87 days and probably.

H

Won't be in the future, but it won't be up to me, but I just I hope you continue to look for.

H

Something that is a viable alternative to that. Absolutely yes, sir. Thank you.

A

Okay, any further discussion- it's in here done all in favor.

A

Okay: let's talk about pipe reline over at markley road.

O

The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of roads operation request your approval.

O

Toward pleasant's construction incorporated an existing term contractor to perform a pipe reline.

O

On markley road in finksburg, in the amount of twenty eight thousand nine hundred thirty.

O

Two dollars and nineteen cents carroll county will be piggybacking. Harford county contract.

O

This amount is within the fy23 budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

P

Just waiting to see if chris got my picture up, um this is a pipe that is failing. Has there. It is.

P

As you can see, there's no bottom in the bottom of that pipe.

P

It is completely rotted out which once again is causing the dirt.

P

Around the pipe to to wash out underneath of it, creating depressions in the road.

P

That we are continuously having to go back and patch and lift having this pipe lined. Will.

P

Alleviate that problem eliminate that problem and then we can go in and make a permanent patch pull.

P

Out the old black top put some dirt in there pack it down and have a nice smooth road surface again.

G

Makes sense, pheasants presence does a great job too I'll move the board accounting commissioners.

G

Approved the pipe re-line work to pleasant uh in the amount of twenty eight thousand nine hundred.

G

Thirty two dollars and nineteen cents, a second okay, you got a motion. Second, any discussion.

A

You can hear none all in favor aye aye aye. Thank you. Thank you, ladies.

A

Let's talk about approval for fee, simple purchase of 2.7541 acres of land.

A

North of indian valley, trail and west of pinch valley, road.

R

Good morning, commissioners, good morning mark in the morning, the department of public works.

R

Has negotiated to purchase a parcel containing 2.75 acres of land in fee, simple land is being.

R

Purchased, I'm sorry for for 170, 127 thousand dollars the land is being purchased in connection.

R

With the carroll county airport, runway safety improvement project, we've received faa concern.

R

Concurrence on this property and the faa will reimburse the county. Ninety percent of the cost.

R

With maa reimbursing five percent in the county, paying five percent of the cost of the purchase.

H

And that sells the deal right there yeah no kidding it's pretty impressive. When you get.

A

95 costs from others and yeah. Okay I'll make the motion board of county approved the purchase of.

F

Land north of indian valley, trail and west of penz valley, road for 127 thousand dollars.

C

Second got a motion. Second, in discussion.

A

You hear none all in favor, aye, okay! Thank you, commissioners, gentlemen. Thank you.

A

Okay: let's talk about a loan request for tony town volunteer fire company.

M

S

Good morning, commissioners, good morning um with me today, mr our director robinson.

S

Fire and ems- and I have mr haynes president of tawny, town fire company and mr parker.

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Treasurer of tawny, town, fire company.

S

We have received a application from tonytown fire company to borrow money from the county.

S

Through the low interest loan program, they have requested to borrow four hundred thousand dollars.

S

To be used for a new seagrave engine tanker, the term of the loan will be seven years.

S

And the county will hold the mortgage lien on the property or on the engine.

S

Just a little background on the loans that the county offers to fire companies who are within the.

S

County and it's an opportunity for them to take advantage to use the county's financing program in.

S

Order to borrow for their needs, the loans are for either building or some piece of fire equipment.

S

Or renovation to the buildings, they do have other sources through the state, but sometimes.

S

The timing isn't right or they have to choose, what's the best rate and best interest for them.

S

If this, if this proceeds and you approve, we will work with fire company to get the.

S

Loan, so they can continue purchasing their fire engine. Currently, tawny town does not have any.

S

Current outstanding loans with us, so they don't have any outstanding books and I'm asking for.

S

The board's approval of the loan request approval will allow the fire company to.

S

Proceed with the the purchase of the engine, additionally, I'm requesting the board to.

S

Adopt the resolution declaring the county's official intent to reimburse expenditures with.

S

Debt proceeds. This resolution enables the fire company and the county to expend funds with the.

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Intention to reimburse, with future proceeds in the amount of four hundred thousand subject to.

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The requirement of tax-exempt debt and just remember this- doesn't commit the county to.

S

The tax to the debt, it's a pass-through to the fire company because we loan them the money.

S

Where mr robertson, mr haynes and mr parker and myself are all here for questions, a couple quick.

A

Questions one is upon approval of this. How long does it take to actually get the vehicle engine.

A

Tanker in hand over at tony town, two years from the time we placed the order two years.

A

Okay, the other is, is this the cadillac of engine tankers? Is this? The top line is this midline.

A

um Is it it's obviously sufficient for your needs? I'm just. I know nothing about.

A

This equipment, so just you know what are your thoughts.

T

It's basically what we need to replace what we have. Okay, it's not the cadillac right.

T

What we need to replace what we have and then, when what you have you will then.

A

Either sell off or yes or try to try to sell it one way or another.

T

Try to recoup something from it. How long have you had it we'll move to the new one, just curious: how.

T

Long, have you had it this? It's uh it's almost 22 years old, five, four yeah engine time for 54., okay,.

H

Yeah, I thought that's the one you were replacing just okay. I I appreciate that so where's, the rest.

H

Of the money coming from you guys do it with the fundraising or because I know 400 000 is just a.

H

A drop in the tank see what it did there. Unfortunately, yeah.

T

The original cost on it is uh just under 900 000. Okay, thanks to the recovery that we're.

T

Having from the pandemic, we've had a good carnival year and we hope to continue that.

T

Through fundraisers and we have inner funds enough to make up the difference good deal wow. Is it two.

F

Years out to get this is because that's how long it takes to get it or because you're.

F

Going to get the funds together completely first, I don't you have you said it's going.

F

To be two years before the piece of equipment actually comes to, you, yes, is that? Because you.

F

Want to get all the money together first or it's because that's what how long it takes.

F

For the piece of equipment to be that's how long it takes to get the piece of equipment wow, okay,.

H

Hopefully, that'll improve right. That's that's doubled! That's a long time. You know it used to be about a year now. It's.

H

Now they've, given two so see grave, that far behind yes, they are yes, they are okay. Okay,.

H

All right: well, I I'll make the motion. Is there any more? No, no I'll make the motion. We approve.

H

The loan request to 400 000 uh for tony town and also adopt the resolution declaring the county's.

H

Intent to reimburse expenditures with the debt proceeds. Second, I got a motion. I got a second.

A

Any further discussion appreciate, gentlemen, all in favor all right. Okay, thank you.

A

Good luck, guys! Thank you very much. You colony town throws a wonderful carnival and I highly.

C

Recommend everyone get out there, it's a far in the county, but it's worth the ride and there's.

C

Lots of wonderful people out there. Thank you. Thank you. Hey now. Let's talk about lineboro.

A

C

The other upper corner of the county.

G

This is the area should have been district two and finally, is.

C

That took a while now I forgot my hearing aids, so you have to speak up.

L

What the yell at you I got halfway to westminster. That was slow reaction on your.

G

Behalf well, no, I gave it to you like four years ago. You just didn't know it. Oh okay,.

A

Okay, and so so we have um again, we have mr michael robinson, director of fire and ems. We have mr.

S

Donald fair, who is president of the.

S

Lineboro fire company and nathan sarasitas who's. Our ems captain good morning good morning.

S

We have received a loan application from lineboro fire company. They are for the county's low.

S

Interest loan program they are requesting to borrow 350 000 to be used for a new ambulance.

S

The term of the loan would be seven years and the county would hold the mortgage on this.

S

Property as well currently limebro has an outstanding county loans in the amount of one.

S

Million four hundred ninety two thousand one hundred and twelve dollars- and they are current on.

S

All payments, I'm asking for the board's approval of the loan request and approval will allow the.

S

Fire company to proceed with the purchase of the ambulance and again, I'm also additionally,.

S

Requesting that the board adopt the resolution or the county's official intent to reimburse.

S

Expenditures with death proceeds in the amount of four hundred thousand dollars with tax-exempt debt.

C

How comfortable are you with this additional debt, because I noticed toy town had no existent debt.

S

I am comfortable I've reviewed their financial statements. um I feel that it's sufficient and I.

S

Discussed with director robinson to make sure we're on the same page and everything so I've.

S

Reviewed their full financial statements, so they're not overextended, and I know.

C

That you all do an absolutely wonderful halloween fundraiser with the hayrides and the taurus. I used.

C

To take my daughters up there, they absolutely loved it. So in order to help finance this, I'm.

C

Recommending everyone out there get up the line barrel patronize their haunted hayride. It is.

C

Absolutely a wonderful family event to go to and I just want to double check. You're staying away from.

C

The chainsaws yes wife's orders, I bet well, I'm so happy that you fully recovered you're, not deformed.

C

It was very scary. I attended a ceremony for you with commissioner williams. It was very emotional.

C

I sat in church next to commissioner wants and he sang quite well as a matter of fact, and it.

C

Was just a very emotional experience for all of us, especially in your community, to step up and.

C

Be there for you and it's so wonderful to see you fully recovered and and not deformed in any way.

C

It's quite scary for you and your wife, so thank goodness, you're staying away from the chainsaws.

A

Similar questions to uh the last: how long does it take to get an ambulance in place.

U

So the order has already been placed for the new unit, we're expecting delivery.

U

uh Sometime around march of 2023., okay, so it's already in production and this.

A

352 000 is not the full cost of an ambulance, or is it yes so that way? Okay.

H

He getting it through. uh It's a road rescue body, uh ford, chassis, yeah, it's through atlantic.

U

Emergency solutions: oh okay, okay, that's a good price! Absolutely! He did some good homework on.

G

That one nicely done, that's why it's in line to get built, yeah yeah, that's great.

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Increasingly good deal, it's good where's, the old ambulance. Still in service. Are you gonna? Yes, sir?.

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I mean you run a lot of cars across the line and all over the place up there. So.

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Yeah, how you you have staffing for this. We do. um We have paid staffing, that's also supplemented.

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By volunteers such as myself and the other ems officers, okay, I'll move the board of commissioners.

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Approved the loan request, 350 thousand by the lyme bomber volunteer fire department and adoption of.

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The resolution declaring the county's intent to reimburse expenditures with debt proceeds.

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Second, okay, got a motion. I think a couple seconds, any discussion, all in favor aye. Okay, thank you.

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And mike we'll see you uh sunday, I imagine yes, okay, thank you guys. Thank you very much. Thanks.

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Okay: let's talk about carroll, county economic development and land use, study.

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um The office of procurement, in cooperation with the department of planning and the department of.

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Economic development request your approval to award wgi a contract in the amount of 164.

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500 to provide professional, consulting services and analyzing economic development and land use.

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Opportunities in the county in just a little background on the process. This was a request for.

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Proposal a committee was formed of five members to conduct the technical and financial review of the.

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Two proposals submitted the committee evaluated the proposals based on the criteria detailed in.

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The rfp and the task of each committee member was to independently review and rate the technical and.

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Financial proportions of the proposal once this was completed, the committee members came to a.

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Consensus and recommended the best value proposal of the work required. This expenditure is within.

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The budget, so no additional funds should be necessary and I'll turn it over to linda to.

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Answer your questions or explain more about the project, yes um good morning, commissioners, so I.

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We adopted a master plan in 2014 and under maryland law. We need to adopt and evaluate our.

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Master plans every 10 years, so 2024 would be that next plan, part of that process.

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Needs to be comprehensive. Look at our economic development, land opportunities within the county.

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We'll also be coming back to you for a housing study to kind of lay the groundwork of where carol.

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We're we're where the community and where the elected body would like to see carroll county.

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Move into the next decade so with this will help set the framework and groundwork for the.

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Next master planning effort- have we done this before as like every 10 years? Does this happen.

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I'm not so um prior master plans had to be adopted every six years back in the early to mid 2000s.

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And now the requirement is every 10 years and what happens under maryland, law is, if you don't have an.

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Updated or active plan and you go to do rezonings and things like that. The state of maryland could.

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Could deny some of those requests? Because you don't have a up-to-date, comprehensive plan.

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As you know, our planning commission also has to approve all development plans with consistency.

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With the master plan, so if you have too much of an outdated plan, it becomes very challenging for them.

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Then to to mirror the pieces together if the community and market are going in one direction,.

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But the plan is remain stagnant. So that's the importance of maintaining um and updating our.

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Plans as far as an economic development study, we have not done one since 2005 and I believe.

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That was started in 2003 the edlin study and over the last 16 17 years. We've had a lot of.

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Changes from the great recession to covid um to just technology and other dynamics.

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In the workplace and in the market for economic development and what carol's land availability is.

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To meet those needs of the of this current century and beyond, I guess what I'm trying to get, how.

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Successful was it before how beneficial is it so um that plan the evidence plan.

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Was a very well done detailed economic development study? We did use that for the 2014 master plan.

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The original intent for the edlund study was for another plan that ended up not moving forward.

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At that time and was shelved for years, so it was util we we utilized because it was still.

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Valuable information to have for the 2014 plan- I do not anticipate this- will be the same issue.

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With how we are moving forward with the comprehensive plan approach.

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And that this plan will be very valuable in setting that groundwork for the future good.

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That's that's all I want to hear the um the costs are very different in competitive. uh You know.

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Proposals uh is bae, just not capable or competent in doing the uh you know sure. So both firms are.

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Very competent and capable of doing this, however, the proposal from wgi was much more detailed and.

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Much more in depth with what they were bringing to the table that we felt was extremely valuable.

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In this process, some of it had to do with a lot of the public outreach and stakeholder.

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Interviews and development with the community- that's something that you know. We've discussed.

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Over time as that communication with the community, with business holder with business leaders with.

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Stakeholders, um so we felt that that engagement was really beneficial and worth the additional.

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Cost as well as other innovative techniques that they were putting in their proposal that.

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Were not and the w and the bae proposal, they were creating data dashboards using technology to.

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Get out the message for how the county is performing with certain metrics the detail.

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Of their proposal included just a lot more information data and meetings than the other.

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Proposal did so that really did justify for the committee's mind that it was worth and it.

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Was still within budget to go with the higher cost bid in this case and the timeline upon uh you know.

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Rfp2, when they will actually start to then when they you expect either milestones or when they're.

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Finished absolutely so. um The timeline that we have laid out is that it'll be done by the end of.

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This fiscal year so we're hoping by june of 2023. So I have a very programmed out moving forward.

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For the master plan, as you can imagine, this is one of the first studies we'll be following up with a.

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Housing study and the goal is to have all these preliminary studies done by beginning of fiscal.

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Year of 2025, which would be july 1 of 2024., so all the groundwork will be laid to move forward. So we.

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Can build upon scenarios for the elected officials that will be in your seats to make decisions on.

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How the next master plan should be, um how really should be set set up and and the direction that.

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The community and the elected officials want the county to move in for the future. We don't have.

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Any local firms that deal with this yeah so when we put out the rfq request for um qualifications.

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We invite anyone to participate and come back with bids. Only two firms came back, so we have to go by.

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Who comes back with the solicitation? We don't go and pick firms it's a competitive process, but they.

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Have to come to us, we invite them and anyone's open, so no local firms bid. My only concern is.

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You know one firm out of berkeley, california and the other one's out of west palm beach. Florida.

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And that's just what our national headquarters are. They have people locally in both cases, but.

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You know here again: carroll county always does a great job of what carroll county needs and all of.

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A sudden we're turning this over to firms on the outside to come back with suggestions here, I I.

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Understand where you're coming from uh excuse me- and this is very specialized um and so.

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You know because no firms and carol came back when we gave a detailed scope that would lead.

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Me to believe that that we don't have firms that specifically do what we're requesting.

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In this, um or they don't have the bandwidth or the opportunity- or I would hope they would have.

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Been on, we advertise these very well they're out. Everyone knows that wants to participate in our.

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Process what that is, and how to look for rfps that are being posted. The um just from my experience.

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Like you said, these are the national headquarters and consultants are across the country.

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Probably with a mid-atlantic team that would be looking specific to practice. I'm making.

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An assumption- because I haven't dug into this, but knowing how these firms work. That's kind of.

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You know the process is where they, the back office, is in berkeley and in florida.

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Wherever they are but and they've also done, both both teams have done work in maryland.

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So they're very familiar with the state and the mid-atlantic, as you said, um they do have people.

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That are in this general area that perform the actual working that we'll be meeting with.

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So our hope is as soon as the bid is awarded to begin kick off and um work with them on this.

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10, plus, you know 10 month or so process to have a plan prepared for the county.

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So this money was in our budget. Yes, this couldn't be done internally or locally well,.

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Again locally because no one bid on it but internally. This is well beyond our expertise.

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A committee set up of all the people in the county that can.

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The highly specialized kind of product that is going to be produced here, yeah.

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I mean it's always good to have a different set of eyes. Look at these things. uh I I assume this.

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Is going to be some sort of a guideline? It's not going to dictate the way in which our new master.

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Plan goes because I can foresee somebody coming in here and dick to your to your comments and to your.

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Challenges that you seem to be having I'm right there with you, it's probably the old school.

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Coming out, um probably you know you almost get to the point where I could give a rat's patoot.

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With somebody that works for whoever, wherever they are, even if they got a guy sitting somewhere.

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Wants to tell us about the direction that our county needs to move in. So that's not.

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The I'm sorry well, I get yeah, I'm just I'm I'm putting that out there, because it could very well.

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Go that route. I hope that that this is this sort of a a guideline, if you will and that we.

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Just say: yeah: okay! Well, they said that, but we're gonna do this. I hope that that's the case, because.

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I just don't want to get into this cookie cutter thing where we should be doing this because they.

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Did it somewhere else and you've got 70 000 acres of this, and you should be doing this.

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Well, who knows better than we as to what we should be doing? I've said it a lot.

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So guideline great, but I and it won't be again- won't be for us to say but um or me, but.

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I just hope it's just a guideline and then that gets me into that's an awful big price for just.

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Having a guideline sitting beside you that maybe we do that so linda, don't don't need to.

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Defend yet just I think I absolutely agree with with what you're saying both of you and.

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I I think that this provides a better understanding and tools for the master.

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Plan to be developed, they, whatever company this, is, does not design the master plan and does not say.

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Hey you have a goal of whatever and you know in order to get to the master plan, you got to change.

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Things, this becomes a template for that master plan, whether it's implied or not. It does set the.

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Tone it provides an in-depth look of all the pieces that are happening in the county, but.

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I absolutely agree: nobody knows carroll county better in carroll counties and that's why it's.

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You know incumbent on us and our community, you know to participate in developing this master plan.

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um That's also why I always believe that it's very important that we, my colleagues and I.

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Participate in the boards and commissions and outreach in the county, because nobody knows it.

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Better than carroll counties, this is a tool to be used with the results that come in practice. Yeah.

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That's fine but yeah. You know we can do that for less than 165.

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I mean I I again, I understand it's a different set of eyes and that's good. I think that's a.

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Good thing seems like a lot of money to have somebody come in and give us a template if you.

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Will what they think we should be doing with our economic growth or ungrowth or whatever they're.

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Going to call it uh and our and same thing with housing, I mean you know, there's a lot of.

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Young folks out there that have these grandioso ideas when it comes to the smart.

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Growth and all of that, and while I applaud that, that's not carol so it just seems like.

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It just seems like, over the last two years that I've been sitting on planning. We've got a lot of.

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Good people that have a lot of great ideas and do we really need to bring in a firm from somewhere.

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For a hundred and sixty-five thousand dollars to tell us something else, that's all I'm just having.

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I'm struggling a little bit with that, but it's also looking out to 10 years or the.

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We've got people that are looking out to 10 years too, so I don't know it's just you know.

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I don't know I appreciate the fact that again, it's a different set of eyes, which I think is important.

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But um if someone looking at it from a different perspective, that's not prejudiced by living here.

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If, if you don't mind me, listen is the guest in here today, a representative to this firm. We have.

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A guest here on, I thought, maybe hi yes courtney's here we have not met in person, so this is courtney.

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I think it's impressive that they did send someone to witness what's going on. Thank you.

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Well be interesting, I mean courtney's here so.

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Since you're, maybe you could so you're kind of like you know, waiting to hear what our results are.

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uh Why don't you come up to the table and have a seat? Yes,.

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Yes, hey, maybe you could you snuck in I didn't know you're here.

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Courtney, like you, heard some of the discussion. um What do you bring to the table.

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As we're developing a master plan um that you believe cannot be done either in house or in other.

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Ways sure well, good morning, all commissioners, thank you again. I'm courtney powell and I'm.

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The planning manager and out of our office in arlington so in roslyn virginia so not far at all,.

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And before I came to wgi, I actually worked on the public sector for many years. I was a planning.

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Manager in south carolina, and so I definitely understand having a robust planning team in-house.

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But also having the benefits of an outside consultant to come in to work with the community.

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And develop a plan. One of the projects I recently led when I was on the public sector, was our.

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10-Year or 20-year but updated every 10 years comprehensive plan for the city of greenville.

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And I think that's kind of a good example of how our planning department knew the community.

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Very well, but in times where you're, maybe broaching some new areas, it's good to have.

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A consultant there to basically be the liaison between the municipality or jurisdiction and the.

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Community and I think what linda had mentioned, that something that we bring to the table.

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Is all the public engagement? I know there were some comments and some concerns about.

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Us coming in with a preconceived notion and putting that into a template. That's.

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Not how we operate, I can tell you that each of our proposals, when we submit, are actually.

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Redone packaged specifically for that community- and I think the public engagement part is really.

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Where we can help listen and almost respond back to this is what this is. What we heard from you.

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Is this correct, you tell us if we need to modify or if we need to kind of narrow down or assess.

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Out what needs to happen? That's what we're there for. So it's not to dictate a certain direction.

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So I think that's one of the main things that we we do bring to the table and we're very aware of.

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How many will be on the team? So there will be, I think, there's three or four: we have a.

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Sub-Consultant team, that's also locally um they're. The economic development kind of.

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Manhouse of this project and then from our side we have six six, I'm gonna.

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I think we have about six, but we got the resume and then usually for the public engagement side. We.

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Bring in everybody or if we need to bring in other people to make sure that we have enough hands on.

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Decks or whatever the situation may be, we we work with it as it comes. It seems to be five from wgi.

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And then um four from wilden, the um last master plan that was developed, we did not have outside.

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Council or outsourced um work done, did we? No, we did not. It was a pick up from something that.

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Had begun and fits in starts over five years that um we we utilized things that were done.

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For a prior plan, we carried as much into that as possible, but that plan didn't really have a vision.

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For the county, it was more carrying forward what had been done in the past yeah. My my concern is.

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We are again carroll county. We are resource, we're guarded on our resourcing.

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And we're resource constraints, and we want to maintain all the services that we do.

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For our carroll countians, but in order to get it right and staying resource constrained, having.

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An outsource like this will get us to where we want to go in 10 years.

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And if we don't do it, I feel like it's going to be a pickup game. You know as we move along so.

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Yeah, I'm I'm for this type of outsource, because there's too many moving pieces and.

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I my concern is we're just not going to get it right if we don't uh put a master plan.

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Can be adopted, the way it is can be tweaked or it can be totally rewritten sure and.

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You know I I just wonder where we are in this at this. The price here to do this is this is what.

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We need at this time I don't know you did a great job in 14 of uh moving ahead with a lot of things.

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uh Considering it was, it was a lot of challenge. I can tell you, it was a challenge but you're.

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Right, it didn't really have a vision of what, where we'd be yeah in in eight or ten years, but.

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I can tell you, I think, we're in a good spot in eight years, even though it didn't have a vision.

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I think the master plan is boating well to where we're going, you're always going to have those.

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Folks that say: well, you know you didn't put that in the master plan or you did and you're.

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Not following it, but that's whatever, but that's any master plan right. It's always it's like.

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Jello, it's always changing. I mean it's carrying in your hands, it's very uh fluid! Well, you you want.

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You want to make it, you know, not jelly, you want to give it more consistency. Well, you have that's.

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What this will do is give the master plan more consistency, understand the resources to get us.

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Over the next 10 years, um and hopefully beyond I mean, I would say you know as a professional.

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Planner for over 20 years, that master plan is not how I would have liked to have done a plan.

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We didn't have the kickoff that we needed to have. It was picking up pieces along the way.

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um So I think this would give the groundwork that's necessary to really and look the outcome.

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Might be the same, I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball, but the hope is this will give us a.

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Good foundation of what? What, where carol, where carol, is positioned in the region and where.

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The community and the elected officials want to move from there. I like the idea of what was.

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Said about the community outreach you're going to talk to people in the community you're going to get their input you're going to find out. I think that's very, very important and apparently.

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It's cost additional money for that, but that's fine because it takes resources to to do that.

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So you have someone from the outside coming in, but they're going to ask carroll county people where.

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Do you want to go what's happening and I think that's extremely important in formulating this, so.

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I think this would be a very valuable tool as well I mean you know, we say the enemy has a vote. The.

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Environment has a vote. You know covet recession, um inflation. You know things that we don't.

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Necessarily plan for and they happen, and then we have to shape things um and it's.

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Very difficult, you know it's very difficult, so I I understand the jello piece of it, but.

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This provides more consistency uh doing this outsource, so I'd like to.

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I'd like to make the motion move, the board of commissioners award contractor wgi incorporated.

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An amount of 164 500 to provide and economic development and land use study. Second, second:.

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Okay, I got a motion in a couple of seconds any further discussion on this. I would just like.

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To thank mrs for showing up, you made a very good contribution in this discussion, and this is a very.

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Very controversial issue which future boards not to deal with, and I think in light of that, the size.

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And scope that this really isn't that substantial amount to address the hurdle we have to cross on.

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This so thanks for everyone for participating this and having the vision to do this. Thank.

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You, okay, any further discussion, all in favor, aye, aye, aye. Okay, thank you. Thank you, yeah. Thank you.

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Okay, I said no, oh, I apologize yeah. I thought that's yeah. I voted. I apologize. 4-1 yeah 4-1.

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Okay, I was almost there with you dick, but they convinced me: okay, anything for open admin.

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I don't want to come on up. Let's do uh schedules.

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Just a reminder once again: 9 11, 8 30 in the morning we'll be having our uh a ceremony.

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Over at the carroll county training center at 50, kate wagner road, starting probably at 8 30.

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On sunday on monday, 3 p.m, transit advisory council, commissioner fraser- will be attending monday, 3 p.m.

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Correct uh 7 p.m. I will be uh participating in the sakesville town meeting over a decent.

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Townhouse and then 7 30, commissioner boucher will be attending the mount airy town meeting.

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Town hall, on tuesday september 13th at 6 30, commissioner, wants will.

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Be attending and participating in the tony town, lions club, 75th anniversary.

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And 7 p.m. I will be participating in the ag center board meeting on wednesday. We.

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Have nothing scheduled thursday september 15th? We start open session at zero nine. We will talk about.

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Community development block grant. Oh, I apologize for west end springboard community services.

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Covid round one uh public hearing coveted round one: what's that.

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You know it comes before round two: is it the monies? Is it the fr.

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There would be having a public hearing, I don't know yeah, but what's the public.

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I'll find out. Okay, it's not coming to me as to why okay, thank you! um Consideration bond authorizing.

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Resolution purchase of fire ems learning platform, chapter 37 modifications to the existing chapter.

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Mr robinson, director robinson excuse me, will be uh leading us through that mpls upgrade.

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T1 to the ethernet conversion from public safety, so upgrades in our ethernet.

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In public safety, uh greater baltimore committee, the gbc public sector advisory meeting I'll be.

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Attending I'm attending at 2 30., I won't sound so surprised, sounds so surprised.

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uh Friday, saturday, nothing scheduled sunday. Commission boucher has the podcast.

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On monday 19th we have nothing scheduled. There's a chamber breakfast on tuesday morning, 0-800.

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Commissioner weaver, I think it's the finksburg library we'll be at the finksburg library sharing.

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His I think so I heard it was that I heard it was at exploration commons. That's why I was again yeah.

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That's what I heard it's such a wonderful venue: okay, we'll find out where it is and wherever it is.

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I'll also be uh trying to attend that as well. If it's at expiration commons I'll be there.

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Commissioner, lance will be participating in the planning commission 009 on tuesday. The 20th.

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uh There will be a town hall at south carroll senior center at 10 o'clock that morning.

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That I will be hosting commissioner weaver and possibly myself will be.

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Participating in the veterans advisory meeting at 2pm on that tuesday I'll have my second round.

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Town hall at 6 30 p.m. That evening at the senior center just also those town halls, I will have the.

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School system leadership participating with me at both of those town halls.

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On wednesday september 21st mayco initiatives subcommittee meeting.

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I will be participating virtually and then may go interim legislative committee meeting.

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Commissioner, fraser and wants will be participating virtually at eleven six pm, a walk.

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In the park, the westminster veterans memorial park, commissioner, boucher and fraser will be.

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Attending on thursday september 22nd we have open session at nine.

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And, let's see, okay, a block grant with the west end place. Oh actually, at the.

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Springboard community services that was on the last agenda- oh that was that's public hearing.

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So one of the other- I don't think I have but one on there for that. The item three.

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So far, okay, so these yeah, actually that was on there too yeah. It was.

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The only thing that looks like consideration of bond authorizing resolution that was on the last.

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Agenda, I don't think so far. I don't have anything yet 20 seconds. Okay! Sorry about that! Oh that's!.

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Okay, so we will see what's happening on thursday september 22nd um on saturday september, 24th.

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As mentioned earlier, miss carroll county uh at westminster, high school at 7, 00 pm and then on.

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Sunday are you attending that, there's no name. What's that none of your names are there so.

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Is anyone I'm going yeah okay, but if anybody else wants to go, I have to have tickets. So let me know.

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Sunday september 25th I have the podcast and then there's a farm bureau membership picnic.

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Over shipley arena I'll, be there too that I will be attending with commissioner weaver.

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And I think commissioner boucher did you say: you're yeah.

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Just make sure something yeah that was a little.

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Okay, did I miss anything, I'm sure we'll fill up uh september 22nd.

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If we don't, then we'll make a decision on whether we're going to have open or not.

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Okay, we could go for a walk. Okay. What I need now is a motion to recess and then go into closed.

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So moved well, we shouldn't go in and close the motion going and closed motion going to close.

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Right; okay, second, that worked and then motion. Two oh gotta, vote on that. First.

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Vote on that, first yeah: okay, all right! All in favor, aye all right motion to.

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Adjourn after closed there, you go second, okay, hi hi dick thank you wanda, mr weaver.

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