Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 4 Nov 2021

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Okay, good morning again, it's commissioner, ed rothstein thursday cannot believe it's.

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November november 4th- and we have open session this morning and we.

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Will recess and go back into open session this afternoon for our second work session.

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Dealing with residential, um you know, codes and uh definitions before we.

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uh Begin any open session, let us stand for the pledge of allegiance and take a moment of silence.

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Nation god indivisible.

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And just before we start prairie carol.

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Someone in my thoughts right now, a relatively young woman, passed away on tuesday. She fell off a.

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Ladder at the church and her son found her. She was conscious, went to the hospital and passed and she.

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Ran the early childhood program at wesley freedom and she was a friend to many of us, so let her.

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Memories be a blessing to her family, give them strength and courage to move forward and to.

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The community in church as a whole, so with that.

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Don't put a damper on things, but it's important to recognize the importance of our community.

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Let's start off with priority carol, and then we have a few proclamations and we'll get into.

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Our business uh commissioner frazier, I wanna start with you, always a great place to start.

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First thing I have to apologize to the people who put on the veterans swap meet this past weekend.

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I tried to get out there, but the way my gps took me was through gravel roads. It was a day after we.

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Had a tremendous rain there there's big ruts, I wasn't taking my car up the road when I went a.

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Little bit, I said sorry, I'm not chancing. This I turned around. I tried to go a different way, but.

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The gps took me right back to that same route again, so I couldn't figure out how to get there.

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Without going up the road, so I did not attend that event. I'm very sorry about that, because.

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I actually did try, but I I don't think I could pictures my car being stranded with the wheels.

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Up on this, so anyway, I didn't try that couldn't do that grief. Where was it, I I watched that movie.

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Wrong turn or something yeah. I was waiting for the eyes when you, when you say gravel road. My my ears.

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And I do want to make a note about. The covet. Numbers has have gone up again in carroll county.

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Not a good sign, we want to have to keep vigilant about this. They they went down, they went down.

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They went down now they're going back up again, it's just something we we have to keep on, but.

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People that are not vaccinated, please go and get a vaccine if you're not going to get vaccinated.

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And that's your choice, then you kind of have to self-isolate and that we have. There are.

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Breakthrough infections for people that are vaccinated, but I believe nationwide is less.

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Than one percent of people that vaccinate to get a breakthrough infection which isn't very high. But.

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It'd be less than that if everyone got vaccinated because the delta variant wouldn't be around.

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Just my two cents worth on that, but we need to keep pushing those vaccinations to get.

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This down winter is coming as the tv show used to say all the time winter is coming.

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So we have to be aware that everybody's going to be inside, so it's a good chance for this.

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Virus to you know kick up again and we don't want that to happen. That's all I have thank you. Thank.

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You, commissioner, lance you got lost, that's all you have the story of his life yeah. uh I.

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Also want to give a shout out to dennis hoover's family uh dennis uh was a was the town attorney.

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For sykesville for many years also was currently serving on the carroll county community carroll.

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Community college board uh dennis, unfortunately passed away last week and uh our thoughts and.

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Prayers are with not only his family, but the carroll community college family as well.

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I'm going to going to start off with my public safety message, a little trivia question and I.

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Don't know that anybody would get it right, uh but um the the question is uh how many uh bus.

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Violations have they've been in carroll county in seven weeks, schools have been open for about.

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Seven weeks, I don't know that anybody would get that question correct. As you know, we had.

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Cameras installed on all of our school buses. We are over 1600.

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School bus violations in carroll county, let that sink in for a minute.

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Sixteen hundred approaching seventeen hundred that, along with the fact that we're.

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Changing the stupid clocks again this weekend, uh which I don't understand and never will.

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Correct time, okay, whatever that is, uh does anybody really know what time it is.

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See what I did there guy from the 70s got it. You know just right in there uh anyway. um You remember.

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That song bill- I know you do anyway, uh not that you're as old, and it doesn't matter anyway uh that.

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People need to be a little bit more conscientious about what they're doing. That's absurd to me.

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I had a chance to sit uh with one of our sheriff deputies, who who takes care of that and- and it was.

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Interesting to me uh that we are where we are and we're just a small jurisdiction here, and it's just.

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It's crazy to me that folks are doing that, so uh I would ask that everybody be incredibly mindful.

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uh Especially with the clocks changing it's going to be dark gur in the mornings and darker in the.

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Afternoons so let's be very mindful out there public safety, wise of of what's going on there.

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Commissioner weaver and I attended the ag business breakfast this morning.

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I heard about the transition from the finch family to atlantic tractor. You can probably expand on.

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That a little bit more, if you want dick, but it was a good breakfast and it was good to hear.

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Good to be back there again, because that's the first in-person one we've had in quite some time.

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uh And then, finally, for me, I attended uh planning and zoning last night.

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uh We had about a two and a half hour meeting. I guess the biggest news out of planning and zoning.

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Besides the fact that we were doing some, some cleanup work on some of the things as most of.

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You know we have the residential text in front of us now and they started to look at last night.

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The transportation plans of the various communities, our.

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Municipalities in the county so first introduce that. But I guess the biggest news is what the.

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The common theme has been here throughout, and that is we need folks on planning and zoning last night.

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Cynthia cheatwood resigned she's the current chairman of planning and zoning, and she.

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Resigned because that very very smart young lady is moving to howard county.

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Which I'm not sure how smart she is, but anyway, cynthia has the opportunity to move there, and I.

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We applaud her, but she she served on pnz for over seven years and we're gonna really miss cynthia. So.

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um Looking for good people to serve on p and z and b and z, uh and we're down to four folks now, there.

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And I have to attend to make the quorum and that's interesting to me. That's never happened before.

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So um if you know somebody it is a commitment other, unlike a lot of our other boards and.

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Commissions, uh it's an important commit, all of them are important and up. It comes just like.

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That with magic, you can get on our website and fill out the application for whatever board and.

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Commission you would like to serve on and the various ones are listed there as you can see.

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If you want to become involved in the community more, this is a great way to do it and there's.

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Gosh, I don't know how many boards and commissions over two dozen, at least this one- has a per diem.

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Pay as well correct, this one does, um and you know again, pnz uh planning and zoning and.

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Board of zoning appeals are not only important for what's currently happening, but certainly.

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For the future of this county, so those two uh those two we actually do interview for.

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So so I I you know anybody who's out there listening or if you know somebody who has often.

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Maybe said, gosh I'd like to get more involved, here's the opportunity to do so so make sure.

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You get on our website or give us a call, and we will help you out there. That's all. I got okay.

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Thanks, commissioner boucher, thank you, uh mr swam. You have anything for me on the health department.

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Well, we're waiting for him to bring that up. I wanted to piggyback on the public safety that.

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Commissioner wayne said mentioned this week. I asked director to ems mr robinson, to give.

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Me some information for public safety. He mentioned with thanksgiving coming up ems.

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Has calls all the time about people dumping their frozen chickens in the fryers.

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Causes an explosion and fire they don't want to have to refer to those calls. So please be.

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Cognitive and aware that you cannot put a frozen chicken in the bowl and grease turkey.

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Well, the turkey I'm sorry, I mean it could be a chicken, but it depends on how hungry either one.

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Yeah personal experience there, yes, three alarm fire christmas morning, see.

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Burned out an entire apartment, complex in uh where in owings mills where I was working and.

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That's what uh this particular ravens player did on this balcony with whole names, but that.

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Is precisely what he's trying to get at another thing he mentioned is, but how did the turkey taste.

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I can assure you, after getting up there, finally and getting it taken care of it, didn't look good.

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And it was well done, the whole building was well done. Also. He mentioned that wood stove season.

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Started just the other day I fired my wood stove up and he tells people make sure you clean out.

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Your chimneys get a professional do all the safety precautions necessary to properly use your wood.

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Stove they don't want no fires on that either onto the health department. This week I met with.

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Dr wack, who came on board to help serve the county there. He is wonderful man, one had lunch with him.

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Had a conversation he's looking forward to meeting individuals with all of us commissioners, I think.

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We're going to build an absolutely wonderful relationship and work on how to get through.

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This pandemic and eventually get back to normalcy of life, and uh if you came to swim, go back to the.

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Photo of all the a lot of staff members now, this is only part of the staff of the health department.

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I believe they have a total of 180 employees. They couldn't get them all on a photo. So next time.

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We'll have to get like the drone flying overhead get the photo of all of them. I want to give a.

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Special thanks to maggie koontz and susan doyle over there, for not only the wonderful job they.

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Do but be able to put this photo together, so we can show recognition to all the staff over there.

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And a tremendous job they've been doing, they've been under a lot of stress and I want them to.

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Know that we sincerely appreciate them. Thank you very much. Okay, commissioner weaver. um I just want.

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To go back to the management commission wayne said about the planning and zoning you realize.

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They actually set our uh direction for the next 10 years, but there the things they decide on.

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Actually drives our budget and a lot of the decisions we are making over the future of carroll.

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County, so it is an extremely, uh very important board to serve on, uh and I know it takes a lot but.

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I uh give them a lot of credit, and uh commissioner wentz also alluded to our breakfast this morning.

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The transition from fence services to atlantic tractor- and I think uh mr boggs there put it in.

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Direct form this morning, we transition from a family-owned business to a corporate business.

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And they own about uh 15 dealerships in the maryland delaware, pennsylvania area.

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So it's a large uh large, much larger corporation and they are really putting it together now and.

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Getting things moving the right direction uh yesterday I had to build the honor of.

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Ribbon cutting at dd road, the new state farm agent down there in finksburg, I'm glad they.

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Opened up and were in the area and tuesday, um I had an invitation from the carroll county.

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Public schools to attend the partnership reception at shaladon uh links of shaladon in mount airy.

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And we got an award here for carroll county or our pre uh appreciation of your dedication and.

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Services to the board of county commissioners, so um I just want to share that with you.

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We'll just uh put him right here for now: okay, how's, your golf game.

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Why yeah terrible me too? You know we do have some uh representatives from the.

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School board here today, but uh that was very nice to be included in the uh uh appreciation.

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uh Of what we do for carroll county, public schools, we are the funding source, a major part of it. So.

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Greatly appreciate it, that's it. Okay! Excuse me. um First, uh a happy belated.

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Birthday to our colleague, commissioner, steve wants. I turned 29 just the other day.

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Thank you very much, 29 plus thank you and uh wish you had a awesome.

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Day uh by signing some of those pictures, I know you ate a lot. There was some food.

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But I'm really uh wishing you a very happy birthday.

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Very proud of our team here in uh carroll county government, we had the bond rating.

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um uh Tuesday and uh what the bond rating is, we present to.

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Three organizations up in new york city, the the strength of our carroll, county and carroll county.

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Government and the intent there is to be rated very highly, which we are rated at the highest.

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Level right now, and there is no uh expectation that we would go any lower than where we are today.

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And that is because of the strength of our team across the carroll county government. um So really.

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Applaud their work, the bond rating uh presentation is also available um on our uh web page. I believe.

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If it's not, it will be soon. Okay, okay, now we'll be, uh it has a it's a really good presentation and.

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Every year I mean some of the some of the growth and uh development happening in carroll county.

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Is just awesome, so I really do applaud uh all those that were engaged.

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This is the first time in I think, seven years that I haven't been involved in that.

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um There used to be a young lady who shared my birthday, and she wished you a happy birthday.

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She that's why we get triple a right here, just saying it's, the team, but it's also the birthday.

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But she thinks you have that hair nothing go ahead. um Okay, I'll keep going.

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I was really interrupted, but that's okay. You were interrupted, but not rudely not really.

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Okay birthday boy, um there's a couple press releases that are out one of them has to do with.

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Next week we will not be convening open session november 11th. In fact, carroll county government.

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Will be closed for our veterans day or for veterans day celebration, an opportunity not.

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To memorialize, but to show appreciation to our veterans and november is also the month of.

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The military family, so it's just another opportunity to say thank you um to those.

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That are veterans in the military uh and personally I found that relatively easy.

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It was the family that took the toll, and um you know that's something that uh you know time.

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Never comes back so showing appreciation to uh the military family. I think, is very, very important.

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You know, um and we do that and I'm just again: carroll countians just know how to do it. We have a.

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Awesome community effort when it comes to taking care of our veterans, so I really appreciate all we.

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Do um the other press release it was mentioned about coven, 19 and covid is still with us. Our.

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Public transportation uh has stopped services between now and will uh intent of coming back.

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Into service on tuesday, the um because of uh protecting those that either administer drive.

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And or go on the vehicles from covet, there have been some positive cases that we want to ensure.

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We are doing all the right things. A decision will be made monday on its ability to continue.

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uh The the ridership on tuesday, but our expectation is because of the timelines that.

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Tuesday, we should be back in operations, those that uh were needing the service.

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Had been contacted and should not be disrupted on on getting the service outside of this.

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And we'll make sure from our uh county that they do get that service, that's needed. The other.

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Okay, so that's the two press releases and thanks chris for uh showing that um sticking with kovid19.

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It's still there and I'm just getting honestly just tired of the social media.

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I know I shouldn't be looking at it, but I do because uh it affects those in the community and.

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There's this paranoia there's conspiracy theories. There's all of this stuff. That's out there.

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Saying that coven 19 is not affecting folks well, it is, and I shared last week.

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I had a drink for a colleague that um passed away from covet 19 and he was not vaccinated.

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And I'm just I'm just tired of it: I'm tired of the social media crap, that's out there and we've.

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Got to limit it, we got to minimize it as leaders and I'm not saying we need mandates. I'm not saying.

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This must happen, but I'm saying we should strongly consider if you are not vaccinated to vaccinate. If.

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You are not willing to vaccinate that you should strongly consider, like commissioner frazier shared.

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Take the protective actions not for you, but for the community for your family, your neighbors and.

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The community and uh we're not an island and we have a responsibility. So I tired of being.

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Parochial about it, but uh and so repetitive, but it's still there and we gotta- do something. I'm.

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Just I'm I'm tired of folks who think that they're leaders coming out saying it's all a conspiracy.

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It's not it's, not a conspiracy. 750 000 folks have died in our country because of coven 19.

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It's almost, as you know, when you talk about the numbers of passing buses, it's just an astronomical.

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Number that just it's hard to sink in, but 750 000 folks in our country have passed and some.

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Of them have been carroll countians, so not to be such a downer, but I think it's important that we.

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Highlight from here to you and to the community the importance of understanding its impact.

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I'd like to move on to a handful of proclamations that we do have and why don't we start with.

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The national apprenticeship week proclamation and I think who has oh yeah yep there you go.

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Thank you very much. It's an honor that this morning president rosten came into office and gave.

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This apprenticeship proclamation to me to read: he knows how dear this is to me and our community.

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So proclamation national apprenticeship week november 15th through the 21st.

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Of this year, whereas national apprenticeship week is celebrating its 7th anniversary of.

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Raising awareness of the vital role registered apprenticeships provide.

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In creating opportunities by allowing apprentices to earn while they learn and prepare a pathway.

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To well-paying careers in carroll county across the nation registered apprenticeship programs.

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Enable employers to develop and train their future workforce while offering career seekers affordable.

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Paths to secure high-paying jobs, carroll county recognizes the role of registered apprenticeship.

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And expanding opportunities in our workforce that are inclusive of individuals who have.

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Been historically underserved and marginalized and adversely affected by persistent poverty and.

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Inequality thus providing a path for all qualified individuals, including women, youth people of color,.

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Rural communities, justice involved, individuals and individuals with disabilities become apprentice.

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Apprentices and continue contribute to americans industries. Carol k recognizes that registered.

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Apprenticeship, a proven and industry driven training model provides a critical town pipeline.

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That can train and build up a workforce to address our nation's pressing issues.

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Such as responding to climate change, modernizing our cyber security response.

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Addressing public health issues and rebuilding our country's infrastructure.

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Now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, do hereby proclaim.

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November, through the 21st this year, national apprenticeships week signed by all of us. Thank you.

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Very much uh president ralston for allowing me to read that and on a personal note I want to state.

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That this is so pertinent to my life. Having found a career through welding, I was a juvenile offender.

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Having a career helped set my life on the right direction and we just are in the process of.

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Doing the welding program across the street for students we've had a female student, we've had an.

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African-American student and I believe, we've had a student- had a learning disability. Everyone has.

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A chance to achieve success in this community and we will provide you every avenue we can to help.

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Provide that to you, so thank you very much and um if we can have heather bill and sheila come on up.

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Share with us some of your thoughts on yeah, no just right here at the table, it'd be great.

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I'd like to get some of your uh candid thoughts and insight.

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So I just want to thank the the commissioners for recognizing national apprenticeship week.

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And our local workforce board is working with our partners. It's as the proclamation states. It's a.

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Great win-win for both individuals and businesses to create talent, pipelines and good career paths.

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For our our citizens today, I have two of our partners working with us in carroll county with.

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The workforce board I'd first like to introduce sheila jackson, who is with the maryland department.

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Of labor she is carroll, county's apprenticeship, navigator, and we have bill eckles with carroll.

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County public schools, the supervisor of career and technical education, so, if either of you would like.

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To add anything too hello, everyone, it's a pleasure to sit here before you. I actually am quite new in.

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My role I came on board in april of this year and apprenticeship is near and dear to my heart.

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I love having the opportunity to bring this opportunity, make it available to.

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Those individuals, as you mentioned, that have been underserved and upon coming on board.

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I recognize that there's a lot of work that needs to be done in carroll county and I am putting my.

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Best foot forward creating partnerships to bring this to light, bring awareness to those who don't.

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Know about this opportunity looking for sponsors that are having challenges you know with their.

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Workforce and that's how I propose it, so I want to thank heather because she has been tremendous.

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Bill has been a partner we've partnered, with the youth apprenticeship program.

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And uh look forward to seeing this uh move forward. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bill now, just add to.

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That, um like sheila, said it's, it's a lot about partnerships. It's a lot about making connections.

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uh We were approved carroll county public schools was approved by msde to be a partner in the youth.

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Apprenticeship program, so we can get our high school students involved in apprenticeships.

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To get them started and then we create that path and connection to the registered apprenticeship.

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Program so we're in the process now of partnering with businesses finding those good placements for.

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Students and helping the students find that path to a viable career. That's in addition,.

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To all of our other career and technical offerings, so that's a good pathway and it's.

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An opportunity for students, especially in areas where we don't have a program already, if student.

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Has an interest and there's a business: that's a likely candidate. We make those connections and.

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Help people move forward with careers, cool thoughts come please. I'm hearing rumblings.

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Maybe about an apprenticeship coordinator for the county is that uh something been discussing.

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It is something we've been discussing, um so we have put in we've gotten grant funding on to get.

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That started, it was hourly money, um so people were taking on this additional responsibility.

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We are hoping for the future to have somebody who is that's their full position. So at this point.

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It is a hope and something we're looking forward to, uh hopefully that we can have in future budgets.

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If it's something, maybe uh our labor department can take back um and talk to secretary robinson.

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Of the requirement of somebody embedded here in carroll county that you know, because I I.

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Bet you it's not just carroll county, but it's other jurisdictions that would want that. So.

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That possibly could come out of labor department's funding so well. Actually I um I serve in addition.

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To carroll county, I serve howard county as well, and I know that they are looking for a navigator.

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Within that county right, um whereby we will work together cohesively to uh increase yeah, okay.

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Any other thomas thoughts, uh you know, as we just went through these uh bond rating.

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Heard all the new businesses coming into carroll and many of manufacturing. In fact, it's heavy in.

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The manufacturing coming into carroll, perfect opportunity to get this off and running here.

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In the next couple years- and it is especially within that using our rescue funds, american rescue.

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Plan funds through our workforce board- and it really is focusing, I think, getting kids in front.

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Of businesses and seeing what's happening inside because unless you see it.

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It's fascinating some of the manufacturing we have in the county and we have to expose people to that.

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Absolutely you don't know what you want to be when you grow up. If you haven't had exposure or seen it.

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So that's part of what we'll be demonstrating and engaging kids and and our partnership with.

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The school system in the next coming years are you still trying to figure that one out, let's.

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Start at the middle school level, I mean in order to start early for that and one of the things.

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That we're focusing on is education about modern manufacturing, because a lot of people still have.

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The mindset of what was going on in the 70s when commissioner wentz was out there singing in songs.

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It is not that anymore and if you go into our local manufacturing plants, it is awesome what.

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They are doing and they are clean and bright facilities that are putting out great product.

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When he was 29 plus, yes yeah, so dr eckel, you made a very interesting point about how manufacturing.

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Has changed so many people need to be computer literate, computer literate and running the.

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Equipment, it's not like just cranking handles you've got to have the programming skills so.

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It's very important and uh I think we need to have some sort of apprentice program for commissioners.

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For people that one day might want to grow up, be a county commissioner. Good luck with that.

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Okay, any other comments, but listen bottom line for me is uh you know: I've got a big one of.

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The biggest in the county of apco in my district and uh when they were looking to expand up there.

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Either there or somewhere else they stayed here and the bottom line answer was workforce.

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And that pretty much sums it up right there and they're one of the biggest.

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Manufacturers of what they make in the country. So, if that doesn't tell you what the future is and.

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Where we need to put our our emphasis on, then I don't know what does so specifically district.

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One well I mean besides that, but the fact of it is when you have a company like that that.

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That that's their answer, yeah, so appreciate all that you guys do and certainly looking forward to.

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Working with you, thank you. Okay, when we get a photo op, we'll stay back here and three views.

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Okay, so why don't we kind of tighten it up? Why don't you stand right here, guys right here.

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Yep nice way we're kind of somewhat distant from each other. No, no! It's all good you're good.

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Thank you, matt. Okay, thank you so much. Thank you guys.

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Good to see you thanks for calling us jackson, commissioner frazier, do you want to talk about.

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Family court awareness month, family quarter, awareness bridgette, come up. I'm sorry come on up.

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Whereas the mission of one mom's battle onb and the family court awareness month, committee fcamc.

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Is to increase awareness on the importance of a family court system that prioritizes child safety.

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And acts in the best interests of children and the mission at the fc amc is to increase.

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Awareness on the importance of education and training on domestic violence, childhood.

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Trauma and post-separation of use for all professionals working with the family court system.

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The mission at the fcamc is to educate judges and other family court professionals.

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On the empirical data and research that is currently available, such research is a.

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Critical component to making decisions that are truly in the best interest of children.

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This research includes the adverse childhood experience study, saturn, saunders study the meijer.

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Study child custody outcomes in cases involving abuse allegations and the sarah clara law study.

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Confronting the challenge of high conflict personality and family court.

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And the mission at the fc amc is fueled by the desire for awareness and change in the family.

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Court system by honoring the 800 plus children, who have been murdered by separating separating.

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Or divorcing parents now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, do hereby proclaim.

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November as family court awareness month, there's proclamation signed by all the commissioners.

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Okay, bridgette: what are your thoughts well first, I want to thank you very much for having me today.

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I am my name is bridget mccauley. I am a volunteer with the family court awareness month committee.

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And just to share a little bit about our vision, some of it was in the proclamation.

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But domestic violence is about power and control with the desire to maintain power and control.

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Doesn't mysteriously vanish when the relationship ends and the family court system becomes a new.

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Platform for abuse most will be shocked to know that in most states, family court judges.

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Preside with zero training on childhood trauma or domestic violence, including emotional abuse,.

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If they have training, it's usually very minimal, our goal for family court awareness month is to.

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Open the lines of communication while shining a spotlight on the empirical research data.

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That's available on all of these topics and this data is usually not utilized. Our.

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Children's lives are literally dependent on the courts becoming educated on these issues.

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And I'm grateful to the city of westminster and you, the carroll county commissioners, for joining.

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The list of almost 200 cities now counties and states, including the state of maryland.

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By governor hogan proclaiming november as family court awareness month, thank you for standing.

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With us to recognize the importance of court system and that prioritizes children's safety.

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And I I want to add, too, that you know that this family court awareness is about being pro-child.

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Pro-Healthy parent um and to protect our children.

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It's from last november, there was 758 children that had been murdered by a parent who was.

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Divorcing or separated- and this now as of today 810, that's unacceptable and we need to protect.

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Our children, so I applaud you in taking this first step. Thank you very much. Thank you. Wow uh comments.

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Thoughts um really well said, and um the only thing I just want to share is when you share that I have.

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A visualization of a bookshelf and um on one side is wellness, making the right decisions and.

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How to care for a family? Well, the environment comes in, and families. You know, challenges come in.

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And the books on the bookshelf start falling down and we need another bookend come straighten them.

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Back up, that's what this does and that's called resiliency and it's picking ourselves back up.

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To be healthy, but it's also picking ourselves up back up to be greater than we were before and.

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Bring bringing attention to this to me is that bookend on the right, that's pushing the.

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Books back up- and I'm surprised not- everyone- is taking this on and proclaiming this month because.

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Of the attention necessary because you're right, 800 plus, is 800 plus way too many, so I.

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Appreciate bringing the attention to it. Thank you I like to say this is that figure about 800 plus.

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Children being murdered that that's just amazing it just it. I just it's say it again: that's only.

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Since 2008 right, that's I mean when I think of of family court and and people getting divorced.

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I think of problems, but I I just don't think of the children getting murdered and now this.

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Brings that to light, I'm glad we're shining the spotlight on that, because that's just very, very.

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Tragic, it's just it's unbelievable. There is a foundation um in pennsylvania, kyra's foundation,.

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And two weeks: well, they were in family court, the mother baked for protection for her child.

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She was told that this was not a life or death case and two weeks later, her young daughter was.

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Shot in the back twice by her father and the house lit on fire before he killed himself so.

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It is life or death right and it may not be life or death in in that sense, but um mentally.

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Physically, you know these children are are suffering from. You know mental illness because.

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Of this you know suicide, just it's infinite and it doesn't have to just be physical or sexual abuse.

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Emotional abuse is just as damaging so. Mr mccully, I want to express my appreciation for you bringing.

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Those numbers to our awareness, it's staggering and I think it emphasizes how critically important.

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It is for mental health therapy and early intervention in these things. I grew up someone.

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Years ago, as he got older, he went up murdering his wife and himself and left her children. Orphans.

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And I just wish that if there was some sort of mental health involvement or intervention early.

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On that, that tragedy wouldn't have happened, and it just emphasized how critical it is for you.

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And your colleagues to get in the front end of this and make a difference to prevent all these.

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Tragedies, so thank you very much for what you're doing. Thank you any other. When we come on down.

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Thank you for being.

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Speaking of retired, commissioner williams, why don't you take us home.

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Awareness day the retirement gig was pretty good. I tried it for a year and a half.

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Okay, so white cane awareness day actually was in october, uh but uh this is the first opportunity.

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That we've had to actually make everyone aware of this and have an individual or two uh come in.

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And speak one two one: one and a half one, two two so chris christopher newsbomb, who has been.

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A friend of mine for for many years, uh is here with us, and um let me let me read the proc here.

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First and then we'll hear from from chris, so white, as I said, white cane awareness day was in october.

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And the white cane, which every blind citizen of our county, has a right to carry, demonstrates.

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And symbolizes the ability to achieve a full and independent life and the capacity to work.

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Productively in competitive employment, by allowing every blind person to move freely and safely.

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From place to place, the way cain makes it possible for the blind to fully participate in.

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And contribute to our society and to live the lives they want.

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Every citizen should be aware that the law requires motorists and cyclists to exercise.

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Appropriate caution when approaching a blind person carrying a white cane maryland state law.

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Also calls upon employers, both public and private, to be aware of and use the employment skills of.

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Our blind citizens, by recognizing their worth as individuals and their productive capacities.

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The state of maryland, through its public agencies and with the cooperative assistance.

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Of the national federation of the blind of maryland can and should facilitate the expansion.

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Of employment, opportunities for and greater acceptance of blind persons in the competitive.

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Labor market we declared white cane awareness day in october on the 14th in carroll, county and.

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Call upon our schools colleges to offer full opportunities for training to blind persons.

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Upon employers and the public use the available skills of competent blind persons and to open new.

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Opportunities for the blind in our rapidly changing society and upon all citizens to.

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Recognize the white cane as a tool of independence for blind pedestrians on our streets and highways.

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And I believe chris you've got a copy of this proc. uh Here is the original that was signed.

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By these five people up here and uh to say to you- and I listen- I've known you chris and your.

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Family for uh many years uh I've it it's often uh something that you really don't think about.

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uh Taking uh blindness for granted, if you will for many years when I had a lawn business, uh I I took.

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Care of a lawn for a very dear friend of mine, steve dudder and his wife, and I know you guys.

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Know steve um and his wife very well, uh but um you know I got the chance to appreciate the fact.

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uh That that it certainly is something that you need to be aware of, and uh I quite frankly and.

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I've told you this before uh christopher. I don't I don't know how uh you guys do it. I I really.

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Don't so I applaud each and every one of you uh for uh the way in which you conduct your lives.

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I know you, young man, have made a tremendous strides in your life you're. Now a college graduate.

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You also have been known to sing from time to time. I've heard you do the national anthem.

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A couple times so uh you're an amazing young man and you're. The shining example.

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Of what it means to overcome uh something like this, so uh I'm glad that we were able to.

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Again bring awareness to everyone when it comes to the white king and what it means to have that.

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To have blindness so well christopher, did you want to come up and share a few words.

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Well, thank you very much, commissioner, wants and mr president and all the commissioners here for.

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Recognizing this uh important occasion that we commemorate every year and ask for all local and.

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State governments to join us in celebrating now every time almost every time I talk to.

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Commissioner wants he says something to the effect that he just said. I don't know how you do it.

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He has never indicated to me what he doesn't know how I do.

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But uh be that as it may, I want to make a few comments. First of all,.

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I've been asked to bring you greetings from brian kessling, the president of the greater carroll.

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County chapter of the national federation of the blind of maryland, all of my fellow.

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Board members of that organization and all the members of the blind community in carroll county.

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As you can see, I have my cane here and it is a tool that I use.

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Every day I refer to it, often as an extension of my hand whenever I'm traveling, because.

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When I have a cane and I'm walking, I know that I'm going to be able to go where I want to go safely.

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But it's more than that, it's also a symbol. It's a symbol that.

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Blindness is a factor in my life, but it's also.

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Equally, a symbol that blindness is okay and that I'm not ashamed of it and I'm not afraid.

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To hide it, I've learned that in an especially poignant way in the last six years since we.

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Started the greater carroll county chapter because I've been totally blind all my life.

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So I've always needed a cane, but we have a lot of people in our organization who are.

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New to blindness and who are losing their vision in the later part of their lives.

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They are often very reluctant to carry a cane because it makes them look blind and that's a.

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Subject of shame for them and what we show them when we come to when they come to our meetings.

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And we all have arcanes is that they don't have to be ashamed of their blindness. They don't have.

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To hide it, and so it's a very positive symbol- and we appreciate for the second year in a row.

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The carroll county board of commissioners for recognizing that symbolism.

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Recognizing that there are still a lot of things that need to be done for blind people to.

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Be equal in every way in our county and society.

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And especially, recognizing that there are things that the public can do to ensure that.

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We have safety in our travels as we go about our day-to-day lives. It's been an absolute pleasure to.

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Know, uh commissioner, wants all these years steve, I'm gonna try to make it.

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Not seem as though the only time you hear from me is when I want something.

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But anyway, I thank all of you for your recognition and your continued support of all our efforts.

B

Wow, thank you very much, you're an incredible young man, christopher yeah. I appreciate that. I mean your.

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Comments about seeing and understanding those that are in challenging positions as not a hindrance.

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But as a as as a way of life as moving forward, you know the cup is half full and that's that's really.

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Important, whether it's aging and people don't want to use canes and walkers and other things.

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To using a stick and uh it's a strength of independence or a show of independence,.

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Yeah appreciate you uh highlighting I'm gonna share that with uh with some folks that are.

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Going through some of those tough times right now, so thanks, it is thank you if I may, this is.

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uh Commissioner boucher, I want to state that your articulation and leadership of what the.

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Blind community is faced with is inspirational to everyone in this room and everyone out there.

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Listening you had me until you said it was a pleasure to work with commissioner lance.

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I want you a picture. Okay, all right. Let's get a photo, get a photo all right.

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And I'm going to stand right inside.

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I'll tell you that was a series of proclamations from challenging times to positive times and.

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I feel like we did a few few circles around the world with these proclamations. Let's start.

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With uh now item number one, which is request, approval to submit the fy 21 continuum of care.

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Accept the award ladies good morning, commissioners, good morning good morning,.

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I do agree. It was a great morning to be here to see all those proclamations very.

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Very inspirational and very important information, so um I wanted to just start to say we're.

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Here before you today to request approval to submit our application for the 2021 continuing.

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Care application and accept the award with me today. I have debbie stanford our county grants.

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Manager, we also have some additional folks very important people in the in the audience. We have.

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Tammy black, she is our director of access carol, but in this capacity she.

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Also serves as our co-chair of our continuum of care. So that's how she's joining us today.

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We have our executive director of human services, programs of carroll county and that's scott yard.

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We also have amy baker, the director of wellness and recovery programs with the health department.

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And also danielle yates, our bureau chief of housing.

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The continuum of care grant is a competitive nationally, ranked application that brings funding.

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Into carroll county for services, for housing for the homeless, including permanent, supportive.

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Housing and coordinate coordinated entry, the work surrounding homelessness and our homeless services.

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Truly does take a village, and our village is our circle of caring homelessness, board.

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Whose mission mission is to empower all citizens of carroll county to be self-sufficient and.

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To have stable housing and a safe, healthy life by maximizing community collaboration.

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Through the collaborative effort of our circle of caring, we've been able to impact the total.

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Number of unduplicated homeless individuals, which has gone down significantly since fy21.

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From 664 to 517 individuals, we attribute that in part to covid and and.

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People remaining housed with their family that would have maybe not had them at home anymore,.

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But also we attribute that to the additional funding and resources that we had to target.

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Our our programs for individuals that were homeless during coven part of the circle's.

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Strategic goals include focusing on preventing and ending homelessness among specific populations.

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We've broken out these populations in the chart so that we can show the unduplicated numbers serve.

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For each subpopulation over the past four years, as you can see, we are trending in the right direction.

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With our subpopulations, the one number that is the exception is our chronic homelessness number.

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Hud defines chronic homelessness as someone with a disability being homeless for more.

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Than 12 consecutive months or someone having four or more episodes of homelessness, totaling.

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12 months over a three-year period, although we've seen our chronic number increase from.

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119 and fy 20 and fy 20 to 142 and fy21. We can report that 50 of that number.

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Is is currently housed, and that is thanks to the services that we've been able to provide.

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And the support we've given to those individuals, our expectation, is through continued support.

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With the three new housing stability coordinators that we've hired within our department, as well as.

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Additional staff at hsp and the support of the health department and access carroll and others.

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Other nonprofits throughout the county, we will be able to keep those individuals stably housed.

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For signific and significantly reduce that number um in chronic homelessness by next fiscal year,.

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So that that is very promising statistic for us. Naturally, the data does show that chronic numbers.

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Across the country are going up, part of our response, though, is related to the covid.

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Funds and other funding streams that we that we have and that we provide a new project projects.

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To address our homelessness here in carroll county, while the numbers have gone up throughout covid.

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We have also added additional services and we've been very targeted with our responses.

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The continuum of care funding allows us to continue our work with these targeted responses.

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Our projects, as I said that are funded through the continuum of care, are related to permanent.

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Supportive housing for disabled individuals and entry into services and I'm going to.

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Let debbie walk us through the budget, the grant award and then also the county match.

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Morning again, commissioners, so we are requesting, through this application, a total of four hundred.

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And twenty two thousand six hundred and twenty two dollars it will support. As celine said, staff.

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For coordinated intake, so any there's a no wrong door approach to homelessness in our community.

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And that person is, is that um resource for anyone who is experiencing homelessness in carroll county.

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And then we support 30 units of permanent supportive housing between hsp and the health.

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Department, these housing units are targeted to chronically homeless and provide not only.

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A housing, stipend but also case management, and then there is a small amount of money for.

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Citizen services, administration of the project, the county cash match for the project this year is 30.

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Fourteen dollars this is budgeted. This is an on a long, long standing cash match for.

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This project from the board of commissioners, so our total project that we are submitting is.

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Hundred thirty 453 dollars, uh these amounts are capped. By hud we get small increases for.

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Fair market rent from year to year, but for the most part the funding is flat from year to year.

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It's calculated, it is calculated. Yes, we're told what we can apply for right, yeah, okay, all right.

D

Director steckels and miss stanford, thanks for your leadership on this, what percentage of the.

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Homeless, population and county is attributable to substance, abuse and mental health. To try to put it.

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In perspective, is there any way to figure out is? Do we have a large percentage of people suffering.

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From substance abuse and mental illness in that group, I would say that the majority of our chronic.

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Count of homeless are people that are experiencing mental health and substance, use issues.

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And and the chronic folks are also folks that are very resistant to coming in for services.

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And then once they come in maintaining those services with those individuals.

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These are, these are people that have a history or maybe a long-standing family history.

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Of homelessness or instability in housing, and we and that's why it's very important for us to.

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Continue to follow these individuals once they are housed and giving that additional support.

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To them, we are hopeful that we will reduce that number in chronic and and then also to make sure.

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That they are accessing the services that we have to help to help work through.

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Their substance, use and mental health issues with access carol is very engaged, as well as.

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Youth services, bureau and all the other providers that we have thank you for for providing the.

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Information to the public, because so often we hear that all they're just the bomb you know.

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That there's so much insensitivity to the people out there in our community are suffering unless.

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You walk in that person's shoes and understand the mental health conditions, they're suffering.

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From an addiction, it really doesn't allow people to put in perspective. So your explanation of that.

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Is very, very much appreciated to give compassion, understand those individuals and ensure that they.

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Receive the resources we as a county provide to help get them on the right track. Thank you.

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On move, the board of commissioners approve the submission of the 2021 continuum of.

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Care application and acceptance of the award second, okay: I got a motion in a couple seconds.

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Any discussion any additional- I did want to just say that this application is a very large beast.

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um And I just wanted to to thank everyone in this room um as well as corey hardinger, from the grants.

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Office leslie wagner from our office and all of the staff that work with homeless programs and.

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The other agencies, because everybody has a writing piece- that they are assigned to help us with this.

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And it is a it's a collective effort from everyone and, like I said it takes a village and we have a.

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Very strong circle of caring homelessness board that works very well together and without each.

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Other we could not provide these services to this population and we're very blessed.

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To have the support and the connectivity that we have here in carroll county with everyone.

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So I just want to put that out there, because this is not just citizen services or carroll.

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County government: this is the entire community. Okay, very well said again: nice reason to be a.

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Carroll county and taking care of our folks, so all in favor aye aye resounding. Thank you. Thank you.

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Let's see what we want to talk about now,.

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Let's talk about option of purchasing: oh, we got a couple of uh nobodies. Have one product.

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Property option purchase for the matt l dell property through the critical farms program jp.

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Good morning, commissioners, I appreciate your time today we come before you today to talk.

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About uh get final approval for a critical farm um that we had an applicant matt dell.

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Critical farm programs, a program where we help people purchase farms.

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By paying up to fifty two and a half percent and providing that at settlement.

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We pay fifty two and a half percent based on the purchase price or our appraised.

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Value of the land only uh in this case uh we're working with the purchase price for this buyer.

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Once again, it's a final approval request for critical farms, program.

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Involving matthew, matthew, lee dell 1734 deep run road in westminster.

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They're 65.9 acres and we will be retiring, seven lot rights and it's in district. One.

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Appraised value was 580, 500 matt's purchase price was five hundred thousand dollars.

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So we'll be basing the cost that uh on the 52 and a half percent of the appraised value at 262, 500.

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Here's the farm where it fits in with other preserved properties in the area.

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Here's a picture of the fields along the road east deep run road that looks like good deer.

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Food out there, I'm sure it is once again we're requesting final approval for the matt dell.

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Critical farms on 1734 deep run road at a cost of 262 500.

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Yep, mr smith, I've been criticized that we're seizing farmers rights to have their property.

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And develop it, can you express to the public that this is purely a voluntary.

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System that these farmers come to us, we as the gum are not seizing their rights and that's.

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Right restricting that all the programs are voluntary that we administer here at the county.

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Mouth, our critical farms, our county program, our royal legacy program- so we're not targeting people.

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These people are coming in voluntary, with a lot of different reasons for preserving.

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Their farm, you know so it's uh you're correct, it's all voluntary! Thank you very much. Yes, sir.

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All right, I'm going to make the motion. We exercise the option to purchase the mat dell.

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Critical farms program, 262 500 second,.

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I've got a motion. Second, any further discussion, scene hearing, none all in favor, aye aye. Thank you.

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Okay: let's talk about the charles carroll park playground mr diggetts eli come on up.

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A happy subject.

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Good morning, commissioners, good morning, the office of procurement, in cooperation with the department.

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Of recreation and parks request your approval to install a new playground in the amount of.

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547 dollars and 13 cents at charles carroll park in westminster, the work will be completed.

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By cunningham recreation via omni omnia partners, contract that was competitively bid.

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And the amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be needed.

N

Morning, commissioners, currently there are two playgrounds.

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At the location, the charles carroll park, which was formerly the charles carroll elementary school.

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Both of those playgrounds are not in good condition and need to be replaced.

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We will be removing both units and then we will be putting one new unit, which is what this is here in.

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Its place, this will be the last of the outdoor items at the site that will have been either.

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Reconstructed or renovated we previously had done work on the athletic fields and the tennis courts.

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And basketball, court and the playground is the last piece of what's the that answer.

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Any questions that you may have yeah just what's the timeline of uh tear down and.

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uh Tearing down, I believe, we're going to be working with facilities to remove one of these.

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And then the contractor will remove the second one when they do the installation likely we're not.

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Going to be looking until next spring or summer, but we're getting the order in now, there's very.

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Long lead times on a lot of this equipment and weather factors in as well. We wouldn't typically.

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Install something like this during the winter months so spring at the earliest, and possibly.

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Summer wow, director daggets, is when we tear down the old system. Is that a recyclable item that we.

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Could donate to a non-profit or something like that or does this get scrapped? Can it be reused.

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You really can't reuse them because of liability concerns once you take that equipment apart, it's.

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Kind of like the packing and shipment that you might receive at home when you try to put it.

N

All back in there, it just doesn't seem to fit, and it's not safe to reuse that once you take that out.

A

Okay, any uh I apologize chris. Is there any public comment on this.

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Yes, sir, okay thanks, I just I I haven't been calling public comments. So sorry about that.

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Any other conversation on this one- I just can't believe I'll make the motion, since it's.

E

In a critical area, since we just did a critical farm I'll, do a tour with you. If we get the plane.

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Hopefully we can do a tour of more than the playground, yes uh I'll I'll I'll make.

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The motion that we approve the use of cunningham rec to install the new playground at the charles.

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Carroll park, 161 547 and 13 cents, 13 cents. Second, okay, we got a motion. We got a second any further.

A

Discussion appreciate the time all in favor, aye aye all right. I hope you have one question.

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But anyway, we're taking around two different playgrounds, we're putting one up we'll accommodate.

C

Like the same number of kids well from a square footage standpoint, obviously it's going to be.

N

Smaller it'll accommodate the same age group of children, but we're replacing two units with one.

N

And, typically, at most of our parks, we do only have one unit all right.

A

Okay, now, let's talk about the uh playground and pavilion at cape horn park.

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The office of procurement, in cooperation with the department of recreation and parks, request.

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Your approval to install a new playground in the amount of 140 553.88 cents and a 12 by 20 pavilion.

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In the amount of forty four thousand eight hundred and fifty seven dollars and seventy five cents at.

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Cape horn park in hampstead the work will again be completed by cunningham, ruckview and omnia.

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Partners, contract and the amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be needed.

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This project is funded largely by program open space funds, approximately 90 percent of the.

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Cost is covered by the state and I apologize I neglected to mention with the last.

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Project that was covered, 100 percent by local park and playground infrastructure funds.

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The 1.5 million that we received last year from the state and additional funding for parks covered.

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That for this unit, this has exceeded its useful life span. There are signs of damage. It is time.

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For it to be replaced, we also have an old gazebo on the property there, which exists in the middle.

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Of the athletic fields that gazebo will be removed and that will be replaced by this small pavilion.

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It does give people a location to get out of the weather. Should they need to do that and again.

N

This is covered 90 percent by program open space. I appreciate that clarification as well. Okay is the.

D

Future pavilion something citizens could rent or is it just for patrons it's smaller than our.

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Regular ones, but uh if there's a demand for it, we will rent it like we do at other sites and there.

N

Is no other pavilion at that location? Thank you, okay. Another improvement in just in district one. I.

E

Think you and I may may have half of that. I don't know you, take the pavilion off the playground.

G

uh I can throw a stone just before you yeah, uh electric wise. That's always been a challenge over.

E

There have we made any headway on trying to get some electric into that park. There's no electric.

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There now there is a capital project that is in our five-year plan to add athletic field.

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Lighting there so down the road once electric is added for those lights, if we need it for other.

N

Items we could do that as well. Okay, I mean when we're over there, that's one of the things that.

E

One of the things that people say to me, you know be nice if we had a little electric here, you know.

E

So anyway, okay, good, you want this one, since you got it's very close too. Yes, it does.

E

And okay next year, you probably well, you won't have it, but somebody will somehow.

G

I move the board of commissioners, approve the use of cunningham recreation to install a new.

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Playground to fulfilling in the cape horn park in the total amount of 165 411 and 63 cents. No, no. I.

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Have about you said 100, that's an eight yeah say it one more time. 185 thousand four hundred dollars.

G

And 63, thank you. Thank you I'll. Second, that close, I got a motion got a second any discussion on this.

A

All in favor aye, okay, eli two for two: let's talk about joshua all right: the office of procurement.

R

In cooperation with the department of recreation and parks request your approval to install a new.

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Playground in the amount of fifty eight thousand six hundred and thirteen dollars and seventy cents.

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At the joshua nature center, the work will be completed by cunningham rec via nominee partners.

R

Contract and the amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be needed.

N

This again is another example of taking care of our existing park infrastructure. We have swing, I'm.

N

Sorry, we have a small play area that is located behind the main building at joshua, its primary.

N

Users are outdoor school, plus our rental groups that come in during the summer and on weekends,.

N

There's a smaller dollar amount with this one, because we are not putting in a large unit.

N

We are going to be putting some swings and smaller equipment, because it is a small space.

N

It's adjacent to the basketball court on that property.

N

But it is time for the existing equipment to be replaced.

N

This is funded 100 by local parks and playground. Infrastructure funds from the state of maryland.

E

District one's getting all the love yeah you get all the egg threads. You get. The playgrounds.

A

We gotta work on that a lot of playing going on just going on. That's why I'm gonna make the motion.

E

To approve uh cunningham wreck to install a new playground at hashua, 58 6, 13 70.. I could have let.

E

You do that one, because it's pretty close to you, okay, I've got a motion gun any other discussion on.

A

This all in favor, aye, hi, okay, now we're going to talk about transferring some funds if they.

A

Are transferred then we'll talk about where those funds are going to go correct? Yes, let's talk about.

A

The transfer first all right we're requesting a transfer of ten thousand five hundred dollars from.

N

Recreational parks on allocated into the project for the bear branch, pavilion replacement and the.

N

Vast majority of the funding for the pavilion replacement is coming from the local park.

N

And playground infrastructure funds 150 000, to be exact. However, the bids came in slightly over that.

N

So we do need that additional funding. Recreational parks on allocated funds are where.

N

Funds from capital projects go that have been closed and there were balances remaining.

N

So it's an opportunity to put those general funds back into another rec and parks.

N

Project and that, in addition to other funds, we'll then we'll look at the next item. Correct.

A

Okay, so I need approval to or unity approval, to transfer those funds. I will make the motion.

A

That we approved to transfer ten thousand five hundred dollars from reckon parks, unallocated.

A

9139 to bear branch pavilion replacement, 8893 to support completion of the project.

D

Second, that motion got a second any discussion on that all in favor all right now, let's talk.

A

About what you're going to do with those funds, so the office of procurement, cooperation with.

R

The department of recreation and parks request your approval to install a new 40 by 40 pavilion.

R

In the amount of 160 500 at bear branch nature center, the work will be completed by cunningham.

R

Recreation via omnia partners, contract and the amount is within the adopted budget and.

R

No additional funds will be needed all right. This is a replacement for an existing pavilion.

N

Which is actually down the hill a little bit from bear branch nature center. The current pavilion is.

N

Is not in great condition: it's exceeded its lifespan, it's due for replacement and we're.

N

Looking to replace it in a different location, which is actually more accessible and will be.

N

More usable by the public, it will also work better for supporting our summer camp programs.

N

Those of you familiar with the nature center. We have a loop parking lot. The nature center is on.

N

One side of that lot: this new pavilion will be on the other side, so it'll be at the same elevation.

N

With the nature, center close by and it'll be very good tool to use during our nature.

N

Summer, nature, camp programs, it's just the one down over the hill, the old one is the one down.

N

Over the hill, that's the one we're replacing and the new location will be adjacent to the parking.

N

Lot in the parking lot same elevation as the nature center makes sense. Nice.

C

Okay, the old one's on the concrete pad. Isn't it correct? Are you going to.

C

Leave the car creep pad you're, going to care we're still debating that we may still keep some tables.

N

Down there and use that as a programming space, at least as long as the concrete is in good condition.

N

But the pavilion itself on top would be removed right well at least has trees around it, so that.

A

Wouldn't be, if you had tables down here, wouldn't be too bad: yeah, okay, okay, I'll make the motion.

C

Board of commissioners approve the use of the cunningham recreational to install new pavilion at.

C

Bear brandt's nature center in amount of hundred sixty thousand five hundred dollars. Second, I got a.

A

Motion, I think I may have heard three seconds on that any discussion seen here. None all in favor.

A

All right, okay, thank you very much. Thank you now, let's talk about the approval for additional funds.

A

From existing sources to complete the charles carroll community center project,.

A

And we have a gathering, let them come in. We have a bow tie in this morning.

A

Okay, um sir, you guys are looking sharp, who wants to uh kick this off, go for it.

H

All right good morning, commissioners, thank you for time this morning, uh we're here before you.

H

Today, to request approval of transfer funds from the water development account.

H

Number 8294 to charles carroll community center in the amount of 3.2 million dollars.

H

The project was initially estimated by staff 5.1 million in 2017. due to budget constraints.

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At the time, the sitting board granted approval of 3.51 million for demolition of the existing.

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School, architectural engineering, design, site development and construction of the new building.

H

During preliminary design, changes were made to the scope of work, including adding gymnasium.

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Bleacher gymnasium bleachers and cmu block accent to the building exterior.

H

Additionally, review comments from the sha required a deceleration lane along northbound maryland 97.

H

In response to these changes, the board of commissioners approved an additional three.

H

Hundred and ninety thousand dollars to offset these added costs, uh the county was also ordered a.

H

State grant in the amount of 250 thousand dollars, giving us additional funds, totaling 640 000.

H

I will now turn it over to kirk engel who is the project manager for this project.

H

To provide you a more detailed description of the project.

H

Good morning, commissioners, charles carroll community center includes civil site improvements.

T

Consisting of installation of sediment and erosion control measures, earthwork, which.

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Constitutes cut and fill to pad ready condition, storm water management facilities.

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Utility connections to the existing well and the subject system deceleration lane of maryland route.

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97 to the site, access drive to the site parking lot, concrete, sidewalks, retaining wall permanent.

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Seating and landscaping the scope, the scope of work for the building includes the construction.

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Of a 13 000 square foot, prefabricated metal community center facility, along with.

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Weather resistant standing, seam panels for the roof structure, the building was.

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Designed to include six thousand six hundred square foot, full-size multi-use, gymnasium.

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Including bleachers, two multi-purpose rooms and technology room commissioners. At this time, I.

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Have a 3d rendering that I had put together of the project that I like to present at this time.

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So that is the outlook of what the building is to be so obviously, the larger structure.

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On the right hand, side is the community center gymnasium and then on. The left is where the two.

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Multi-Purpose rooms will be along with the technology room. uh Their front bench area is.

T

Including a reclaimed brick from the previous school, along with the metal letters that was on.

T

The former charles carroll school as well, um will there be a chippy statue in there.

T

um That is being worked on: okay, yes, but uh but yeah, also within the.

T

The canopy area there, as you see um some kids and teenagers walking in, um will be a display.

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Case showing obviously the time capsule items that we pulled years ago from the demolition.

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Of the project and to show the past history and representation of the school and the community.

D

If I may add, while we're on this subject, I believe that someone actually possesses.

D

The original chippy mascot costume and if there's any way to try to find that and put that in the.

D

Display, I think, it'd be really sentimental to all the individuals that attended that school.

D

Years ago, so if you guys can find that and incorporate that eventually that'd be a nice.

D

Touch to the community center, yes, commissioner, I agree with that. That's that is something that.

T

uh As I stated previously, um you know uh my father-in-law uh attended the school.

T

When it was there, when it was just a high school back in the 1950s, was he the masculine.

T

No, he wasn't um a lot of people know him and carol, though I can tell you that, um but.

T

You know at that time there were a lot of things that that were done um within the school.

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And so forth, so that that mascot, uh because I remember we used to go there during halloween.

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Time and they would have their halloween within the gymnasium for the kids and so forth.

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For kids that couldn't get out to streets to trick or treat and so forth,.

T

um You know the mascot was always around, so I know someone does have that and I have been.

T

I have been researching that so. Thank you, yes, sir, um so that's that's all that I have uh at my.

T

On my end, I will now turn it over to john bowers, our bureau chief, to give you an overview of the.

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Project bid and the additional fundings that are needed. Thank you good morning, commissioners,.

U

Thank you for your time this morning for us to present charles carroll community center to you.

U

Follow up on kirk's presentation, our bureau received bids and we evaluated these bids.

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During the month of september, using the best value selection method and the contractor has.

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Been recommended the highest rated selectors contracts bid. Contractors bid came in at five.

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Million four hundred twenty eight thousand three hundred dollars, which was the lowest bid.

U

In addition to the base bid for construction, there are project related expenses.

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Such as furniture commissioning I.t and security, generator testing and inspections requiring.

U

Approval of an additional five hundred, seventy nine thousand three hundred sixty one dollars.

U

Which includes a ten percent contingency factor, this will bring the project total cost to.

U

Seven million three hundred fifty thousand dollars. This leaves the project with a deficit.

U

Of three point: two million dollars, which is why we are here with our representatives from office.

U

Of management and budget to discuss how and where those funds would be transferred from.

U

And ms deb effingham and mr ted zaleski are here to offer how they can transfer those funds and.

U

Then we'd be happy to address any questions that you may have. Thank you go ahead. Dad.

V

Okay, in order to have the funding available, we have to find an appropriation within the.

V

Capital budget, we have a capital project called water development that has five million dollars.

V

um In the project, it's an appropriation that was put there in case any water development projects.

V

Came along that you could act on, we don't have any plans right now to to use that funding. But if we.

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Do transfer it to this project? uh What we don't have is the debt service associated with selling.

V

Those bonds in our operating plan, so that would add approximately three hundred thousand dollars.

V

To our debt service expense over the uh six-year plan, and that would be after those bonds are sold.

V

So there are, there are impacts to using this money, but um this appropriation is available for you.

V

And then what we could do is uh during the next budget process. We could either replenish those.

V

That appropriation back into water development, to continue to give you that flexibility! For, for, if a.

V

Water development project comes along, or we could even look to use some surplus funds to replace the.

V

Bonds that we borrowed the appropriation that we're borrowing during the budget process so.

V

That's something that we can talk about um in in a couple months from now. Well, I have to say the only.

C

Way, I would like to that. I would do this transfer is, if we're going to put money back into that fund.

C

And as long as we're looking at doing that, then I'm good with it personally.

A

Yeah I'll tell you my my thoughts from day one. I thought this was a good idea. I.

A

Worked with commissioner lance with state highway on the routes, the ingress and egress.

A

My biggest challenge, though, is, is moving money right now and we're moving money. I mean we talk.

A

About moving money, whether it's in cycle or out of cycle in budget season out of budget season.

A

We had challenges moving a few thousand dollars now we're moving 3.2 million dollars.

A

And we're adding a cost of 300 000 dollars to that.

A

I'm you know, I feel like we're cleaning up for problems that were created.

A

Years ago, by low bidding this project, you know uh 3.2 million dollars. Now, excuse me, we said in 2017.

A

Basically, it was low bidded and you know we approved 3.5 million when we knew it was.

A

Going to be 5.1 million, and now you know we're trying to clean that up by finding dollars today,.

A

When the budget cycle is going to hit us next year, um I.

A

I want to see this project move forward, but I don't want to see this project move forward on the.

A

Backs of other, you know dollars that we're using, I mean, I know we don't have a project in front of us.

A

But I'm looking at all the other priorities we have in this county and that are today.

A

I I don't know this doesn't sit well with me. What sits well with me is moving forward.

A

With this project, absolutely 100, what doesn't sit well with me is moving money.

A

That just because it's not being used, let's you know, take it from there and put here and there's.

A

A cost of using that money, which I didn't know was three hundred thousand dollars. Is there a cost to.

C

Move your money, because maybe I I the interest three hundred thousand dollars, so I thought I.

C

Thought it would be caused if we bonded it not if we move the money, that's literally money hold on.

W

There is a currently there's a current appropriation that has bonds as the revenue.

W

We have not built those bonds into the plan, so that's why there's there's the cost of 3.2 million.

W

Dollars that as things stand, wouldn't be spent, but then on top of that it's 300 000 a year because.

W

We will issue the debt service and that now will have to be built into plan. Okay, okay, thank you.

G

Eric is there any way to reduce that 3.2 million? How would you do that? Yes, commissioners, there is.

H

There's potent excuse me there's potential there um when, when the when we were.

H

Interviewing the general contractors they offered some some value engineering items um did not give.

H

Us dollar values, because it's still in a bid, we had to bid apples to apples and we couldn't.

H

Really ask for that information yet so we don't know what that value would be I'd, be hesitant to.

H

Say it's it's going to be extremely significant, and on top of that, we you never know once once.

H

You start the construction of this, where, on the other side, things that we didn't plan on right.

H

Surface so I looked at east middle school and we came in 11 million over budget. They started.

G

Looking at things, they cut it down to 3 million over budget, which is significant, and I think they.

G

Went back to the contractors and said: okay, we need to do some things. I'm looking. I guess the.

G

Technology room is that computers in that room. We are not furnishing the computers there. Okay.

H

This is just a plugin bring your own device, I mean I I looking at it, but there's got to be a way to.

G

Reduce costs and say: okay, we have x amount of dollars here. This is what we need.

G

To construct with, what can you do? um I I just wanted to respond to your question, commissioner.

X

um Since we did put out the rfp and we do have a selected contractor any scope.

X

Of work that is significant to the project which in this case I would imagine, if we're trying to.

X

Reduce funds that would be a significant change to the scope would have to go back out to bid.

X

To be fair and competitive to the other contractors, um so so any significant type of.

X

Scope change would have to allow for that to happen. That would be my expectation too.

A

And plus, but I don't want short changes, I mean we want to do this right and we want quality.

A

At the end of the day of what this is going to do to serve a community.

A

So shortchanging, it is not the answer either, but it's using the money. I believe that should be used.

A

And water, you know this water development, you know, was there for a reason. I don't know the.

A

Ease of movement but there's a cost to moving it. That bothers me. um So so, if I can give you a.

H

Little more from from kerry's point: um what could happen is if you did a word to that contractor. We.

H

We always I mean every project we are going to continue to try. I mean any value engineering items.

H

That he has, we will continue to work with him and bring the costs down in this building. I mean.

H

That's that's what we do every every time we build a building anyways and to your point, commission.

H

Without short-changing quality, each contractor has relationships with with different vendors and they.

H

Can get us a better price on certain things? You know, we may have specified this and they say well.

H

We can give you that it's an equal and but but I'm afraid that the dollar amounts that you're looking.

H

For may or may not be there, uh it all depends on what we what we uncovered during the construction.

H

This project- and we you know we're assuming we can use the existing septic field. So there's.

H

There's still some unknowns um that we think we have covered in our contingency. So I'm not saying.

H

We don't think we need any more money, but we I'd be hesitant to tell you that we could bring this.

H

In under any significant dollar amount under other than what we're telling you right now.

G

Commissioner, wants you had a committee you're involved in the committee and design of this.

G

And it kept expanding different things. Can you look to that committee to come up with a.

G

Maybe a recommendation that will come in closer to budget.

G

I don't you are involved with it. What are your thoughts.

E

To answer your question, no, I don't think so because.

E

We're putting a basic building there now as it is, uh you know to to.

E

To allude to the fact that there may be more bells and whistles than we need, there is just wrong.

E

This is a basic building. It started to be when we first started looking at this. It was a it.

E

Was a it was a brick. We were going to do all brick similar to some of our senior centers.

E

Then we brought it down because of the cost, uh so there have been things that have been.

E

Looked at but but I just don't think that that's that's not real at this point and you also have.

E

To remember that that you know, with all things pandemic, all things covered, everything has just.

E

Skyrocketed, so I don't think it would be fair to sit here and judge.

E

What we decided to do two years ago that was pre-pandemic, that that just.

E

To me isn't fair, we all know I mean we're paying more for trucks, we're paying. We heard this morning.

E

That farmers are paying more for tractors, so that everything is is, is up so I get what.

E

You're saying- and I I I understand that we we did put that number in- but that was three years ago.

E

And at the time we did feel as if we could put a building of that caliber that we are showing now.

E

For that amount of money but but again things have changed and um you know things were delayed.

E

uh Because of the pandemic and as a result costs are going up, so could you downsize the.

G

Facility a little bit too, I don't, I don't think so- a gymnasium the size of this right, but don't.

A

You want the quality, I mean yeah, the community wants yeah, I mean that's what they want and I mean.

E

Yeah I get that, uh but but you know that that goes to. I think and- and you all have heard me say this.

E

Maybe not you two as much as what I've said, but uh I mean this was a debate when we first brought.

E

It up three years ago it was a huge debate. um You know some of our delegation has weighed in.

E

Which boggles my mind as well, but.

E

The the bottom line here is.

E

When that unfortunate circumstance occurred and that that school was removed,.

E

It left a huge void in that community and I don't want to put a volkswagen there.

E

Just because we can't afford uh you know, afford or whatever you know what I mean, I'm not trying to.

E

I don't I don't. I just don't think that that's I. I think that the community deserves.

E

uh A reasonable building there without cutting corners, just because.

E

We have this this challenge right now, so that that's where we are I'm not going to get on my my.

E

My sermon here and talk about how much it's needed, because you guys already know that.

E

I do have a question about this water development fund. How long has that money been sitting there.

E

And what? Because I don't remember, okay, but I mean I'm asking sorry I didn't say at the right. I know.

E

There's not a cash drawer somewhere. I've been told about that before, but the but putting that.

E

As a possible need in the future, in whatever form it's in now, how long has that been uh there.

W

I don't remember what year, but it's been a while okay, so I'm trying to get to a point here: okay, so.

E

I believe it was put there prior to the three of us. That's probably true, so that's that's 2014.

E

And past that you know below that, so I guess my question is: does anybody remember.

E

Why it was it was it was designated and why that figure was there and what the intent was.

E

Because I don't want to get lost here and gosh we're taking something from.

E

A fund that we're we're going to need, I mean if it was put there in 2008 and it's never been touched.

E

What are we doing here? What goes back away when we were starting.

W

We were looking for water around the county. We were trying trying to develop some other sources.

W

Some things didn't work out where we did spend money. We put aside some money in case other.

W

Possibilities came up, they haven't, but I think you know the argument you're making here probably.

W

Goes a different place than you. You want it to you know. If we decided we didn't want any more money.

W

For water development that would enable you to say just make it go away, so it wouldn't be spent the.

W

Choice, we're making now is to say we're going to spend money that maybe wasn't going to get spent.

W

Right does this go back as far as perhaps that infamous union mills reservoir? Well, it was at.

W

Least connected to those efforts: yeah, that's what I thought and then there's you know in time.

A

There's been priorities that we've been dealing with and we just don't have the funds to deal. I.

A

Mean broadband infrastructure, the roads- I mean other capital projects that we have prioritized.

A

At a very high level, this is absolutely a priority and I'm not diminishing that.

A

But I apologize, I don't want to shortcut this. I don't I'm not sure about the volkswagen analogy.

A

But that's what I'm trying to get, but I I don't want to uh put shortcuts the shortcut on this is.

A

Going to be the time- because I do not believe we should be uh resourcing this with these dollars.

A

And that's where you know that that's where this is coming, it's not it's not about the displacement.

A

It's not about you, know, chipmunk outfits and all that kind of stuff. We want all of that.

A

It's about the timing of of designating the appropriate dollars and these dollars. I don't.

A

Believe should be uh used for this, so okay on that point just make sure I don't. We probably weren't.

W

Clear enough on this, why we went there because your budget's already adopted, we have no way.

W

To move money from the operating budget or out of unassigned fund balance without opening up.

W

The budget process, so that is a choice you could make. You could say: let's, let's open it up and you.

W

Know go through a process, have public hearing and all that, but failing that, the only way to.

W

Fund this in the middle of the budget year is to find an existing appropriation in the capital fund.

W

Right the way things are now there aren't a lot of choices. We don't have a lot of extra money.

W

That we can, we can look to, and and this this was really the place that we said we could make this.

W

Happen but I think there's other priorities where this money could be used. Oh yeah, that's priorities.

E

Well, regardless of where you use the money you're going to have to bond it anyway, if there's other.

E

Priorities, if you think there's another priority that you would use this money for, it's still going.

E

To be bonded, I know it doesn't matter what what that is you you ask a question dick about revenue.

E

You look at generation, you know either reduce cost or increase revenue. Jeff you you, I mean. I I think.

E

In my mind, the potential yes with a facility like this and an auditorium of that to that degree.

E

Yes, there is a potential there, but you're the expert well for a gymnasium of that size. This the.

N

School was the one indoor facility that they had available in that community. Our rec councils in.

N

General do not pay to use indoor space at schools or community centers; they get free usage so for.

N

It it would, it would be an unequal treatment to the folks within that community in that wreck.

N

Council, if they paid to use that gym as opposed to every other community within the county,.

N

It would be a means to generate some revenue.

N

But we're talking about looking for substantial revenue, I think over time right, but an outside.

E

Organization, obviously, outside organization could be charged. You could generate revenue.

N

There, but for every outside group, that's coming in and using it that's taking hours away from.

N

The local community as well, so it would have to be a balance. Could we put credit card swipes on.

E

I I think this is an incredibly important project.

E

uh I I know that we're we're looking to do something here, that's out of budget, but.

E

With all due respect, it appears as if that's not a huge deal anymore, because in the last three four.

E

Weeks, we've done not to this magnitude, but we've been throwing some funds at some other things.

E

Out of budget, um so I don't know that that's a thing anymore! um That's just me no nobody's near.

A

This magnet is this the only source, but if not the only source of money, I apologize. No sorry.

E

Other than opening up the budget or waiting until the budget season are you saying is: is this this.

W

Funding on from the water the only source yeah in this moment in a practical way, yes,.

W

It could be that we could cobble together three million dollars by going to a whole.

W

Bunch of things, but it would get very, very complicated. That was my point earlier. There's.

W

Not a lot of extra money in the capital budget, most of what's there is- will be used right.

C

I think this is a very important project. I think it has to move forward. I don't want to delay this.

C

Be honest with you when we first voted on this, I thought it'd be done by now to be out to be frank,.

C

But I know we ran into a couple things in cobit and with the highway, and I know all that happened.

C

But I still, I think this is vitally important for that community. I think we need it. I don't we're.

C

Not building a palace out there, but this, but what we're building with the gymnasium and the other.

C

Rooms, I think, is needed out in that community. This is the way to keep it moving forward. Right now,.

C

When we get to the budget, we can look. Okay, we took 3.2 million dollars out of the water fund, which.

C

Was just bonded anyway was that now understand that we can look at ways to maybe put money back.

C

Into that, when we talk about the budget, if we wait until that time, this is going to slow this project.

C

Down correct I'd like to get this move, and I would really like to see it done as soon as possible.

C

Because that community has waited a number of years with nothing up here, we I would like to.

C

Move forward with this is it I know, money's tough, but we do apparently have the bonding.

C

We can do to move this, let's move it forward in my community and to that degree too, just real quick.

E

If we wait, the increase gets higher. Certainly could yeah we've moved, you know pennies on a.

A

Dollar, in recent times out of budget cycle which wasn't uh we were sending presidents by moving.

A

A few thousand dollars here or there, which brought up a lot of discussion and.

A

Frustration but we got through it you're right. This is a much higher magnitude.

A

Compared to a few thousand to 3.2 million, the pragmatic approach is to use these dollars today.

A

The other pragmatic approach is to open up the budget or wait till next budget season. My biggest.

A

Concern is if we are taking dollars today out of the budget cycle, where we know we're going.

A

To have to pay for those dollars to use, there are other priorities in this county. That are, I mean.

A

And uh ems, you know um and I'm not comparing this to ems, but there's just a lot of priorities. There.

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Are a lot of priorities that we're working to fund um and not even that, but uh the whole fire piece.

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Of this the whole you know the roads that we're trying to build. You know there's just a lot and.

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That's my my biggest concern. This does not lie with the priorities.

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Of other things- and you know that I think- for safety, security, um capital projects.

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Deserve um to be looked at so I'm- and it's not belittling this because I want this to go forward.

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I mean you know that, because I participated in a lot of the discussions, uh you know the closing.

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Of the schools saved the school system about five million dollars has probably cost us. 15 million.

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In the whole process, I mean that money was nothing safe. Believe me, it's cost us. This is.

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Prime example, north carol has not been easy to get to this point I mean we've had.

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All kind of expenses coming out of this, but you know we we're trying to. I guess, make.

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Lemonade out of lemons here at this point and.

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You know I and we we said we moved something up there and we put it in and that we were going.

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To do that, and I don't want to stop the project or anything, I'm just worried about the funding.

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And how we can squeeze it in there's no cost share no wealthy uh person. You know it's going to make.

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That a great contribution of this, uh the wayne's family but yeah- I don't know about that- yeah right.

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I just happen to have a check for 3.2 million in my pocket. I I think maybe I have a way to.

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Help you advance this conversation. I think the first thing you need to consider is.

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This idea of priorities are we willing to spend another 3.2 million dollars on this project.

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If that's a yes, then you're into questions of mechanics, and that takes you to making use of this.

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Money, which is again, it was money that there's no imminent plan for and creates a 300 000 a year.

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New ongoing cost that we we hadn't planned for. If not that then you're left with opening up the the.

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Budget, where you could then access unassigned fund balance to to make this happen right, so are we.

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Willing to spend three hundred thousand dollars a year to doing this. No! No! That wasn't my point. I'm.

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Saying the first, the first question is: are you willing to spend 3.2 million yeah so so so the.

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First answer, I think, is going to be a resounding yes, okay from us, and that's where I mean the.

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Pragmatic effort is, are we willing to you know, pay interest on this? You know year in year, out or.

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Are we willing to wait for either the budget to open or open up the budget? My recommendation would.

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Be to open up the budget if we're. If this is a priority and then find the dollars sensible to use.

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And not rob peter pay paul. I don't know if that's right effort, you know saying that, but.

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um I feel like that's what we're doing by doing this, even if we open the budget we're going to.

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Be doing the same thing now, we'd be looking at unfunded we'd be looking at other dollars.

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That's within the budget, but opening up the budget requires at least a month or two.

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Because that has public hearings associated with it. uh So when you, when you weigh out the factor of.

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How much money cost today, which I've been told it's cheap right now now.

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I might be way off on that, but from all the experts that I've been talk.

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That I've talked to you know the interest rates are low, so I don't know that using the phrase.

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Money is cheap, is the best way to use it use that phrase, but it is right now, so if you want to open.

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Up the budget two months from now, who knows where the interest rates are going to be so you.

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You almost have to you almost have to balance out whether it's right now, whether you wait two months.

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Oh and by the way, if you wait two months to open up the budget and I'm giving that just a.

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uh I'm kind of shooting from the hip with that two month period, but that's about as long as.

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It's going to take with the scheduling and two holidays coming into play here.

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So then, what does that do to the increased cost of the building? Because.

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At this point, I think the contractor, if indeed we go with this- is ready to roll and if two months.

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Down the road steel now is whatever or whatever the building material is or block. Whatever is now.

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15 cents, more, a foot or whatever, now we're going to see that go up too. So you know.

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It's a delicate balance here, whether you do it now, whether you do it later. Yes, are we adding.

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Three hundred thousand dollars worth of debt to uh or debt funding, yes, but does that outweigh.

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The fact that if we wait it's going to be more than that, have an idea for you, so I I apologize.

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So yeah we have an idea for you, okay, but just real, quick before ted is because I appreciate.

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What you said, one is because I do want to ask: how long would it take to get that money.

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From you know, to transfer and actually have it in hand to the contractor, but then also.

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It's either opening up the budget now or waiting until the budget does open. You know.

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And that's when we do our work so well. We have an idea for maybe not doing either, but just okay.

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The moving the money you guys vote and signed a piece of paper, and it's in a second.

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In essence, it's done getting it to a contractor, is farther down down the road, uh but deb just had had.

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A good idea that hadn't occurred to me given where we are in the year and when we would actually sell.

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Bonds, if we were going to move ahead with this project, we could transfer that funding from.

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Water development to this project so that you can award the bid and then in the fy 23 budget process,.

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You could you could assign unassigned fund balance, and we would put this.

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This appropriation back to water resources, so we would never get to.

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The point of selling the bonds, so then we wouldn't have to pay 300 000 a year right.

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So essentially, you're you're delaying because- and this was in my this- was my next thought.

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The contractor isn't going to need money next week if we sign the bid. The contractor has already.

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Stated that it's going to take a majority of next year to build this were thereabouts.

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The delay of paying the contractor comes into play here. It won't because that's really a.

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Cash flow question you remember: every year rob comes to you to get you approved, uh intent to.

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Reimburse yourselves what that is saying is we're paying people and then we're gonna, sell bonds.

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To give us back the money, that's what would happen here right. So that's not a concern.

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Okay, well, my point was we're not going to put all this money up front.

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And we've got some time here uh and I don't know how that I don't know how the money gets.

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Gets transferred at what stage you know you get the block ball done and you get.

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That amount of money, then you get the medal up, that amount of money and then.

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You know, I know, I know, projects go in stages of releasing funding right again, that's a cash flow.

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Thing what's the important thing for you right now is that moving transferring this money would put.

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The appropriate appropriation on this project, so the the uh the contract could be awarded.

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And then work can start at some point. They start getting paid, but on any project we would be paying.

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Ahead of the bonds that that's not different right, then we would get to the next budget process.

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You would take this funding out of the project, put unassigned fund balance into the project.

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And it would look just as if, if in fy 22, you had appropriated extra.

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Money from unassigned fund balance to this project right so that that makes it easier.

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To to accept, you know that we're not paying that three hundred thousand dollars now the the last.

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You know piece of this, since we believe that this is a priority is actually putting 3.2 million.

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Dollars towards this project and which is way well above the cost that was estimated years ago um and.

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You know I mean it's, uh that's not the last piece, that's the first piece, because without that piece.

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We can't go further, it just it. It just weighs on you, I mean at this time, and I mean carrie.

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You alluded to what we could do with the concrete tractors. Could we go back and just simply, can you.

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Guys, uh uh you know, given the conditions you have and the rfp that went out, can you adjust these or.

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You see any room for improvement before we award that bid maybe try to save a half a million.

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Dollars well, as eric stated, um the contractor that we did select did um provide some value.

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Engineering um didn't go into the actual cost of what they were. But again um you know any changes.

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Significant changes, um you know if you're talking about changing the size of the actual.

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Gymnasium itself, um that would be a significant change where we would have to open it. We'd.

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Have to go back out to bid to make it fair and competitive um if you're talking about you know.

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Well, sometimes you know paint colors or something like that. That's that's a little bit different or.

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Maybe not as as much brick or something like that, but something insignificant. We wouldn't have to.

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But something significant as a reduction in size of the building or the type of no reduction in.

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Size, but just some of the things they could save here without making uh major changes to the I.

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Think I think if, if, if that's something that you want to talk about, I think that's probably.

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A discussion that we would have to have with building construction, to see where there's.

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um Changes could be made, how significant they are and um and where we would go from.

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From there, because I know, if I build something and I run short money, I always go back to the.

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Contract hey, how can we change this to make it work? I think that's going.

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To happen anyway, because john, both you and kirk and eric you all three of you.

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Alluded to the fact that you've put a little bit in there in the event of.

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Higher than what was anticipated correct.

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So I think that that will be the natural occurrence of when this building is being built.

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You know you might be able to save a little bit here, a little bit there.

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So I think that's already in play and we know very well again I'll make the point.

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We've done this with other projects, since I've been here.

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And a lot of times they'll come in under because you guys do that or the contractor will do that. So.

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If I may, I've kept my mouth shut for a while now as much as I'd like to dress up as chippy for the.

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Groundbreaking, I have to state that from a fiscal standpoint, this is sheer lunacy. If we close down.

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To school in the first place, because the county strapped for money to save money, why? In the world.

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We open up this project here at 7.2 million and it will probably run up even higher. We have senior.

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Centers throughout the county that are understand and and open less hours, they we have a problem.

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With hiring employees, I have constituents I'd love to have new pavement on the roads and department.

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Of public works makes it very clear that they're short on funds. I just think it's an inappropriate.

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Use of the limited resources we have and we're always told not to do things out, budget process.

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We need to look at our county government just like her constituency out there with her household.

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Income, this inflation, which is caused by cheap money by the way, is just making everything more.

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Expensive, I have families have to make a decision whether don't eat out this week or how much.

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Insurance, you don't carry on their vehicles. Air citizens have to make tough cuts in their family.

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Budget to reflect the rate of inflation, that's impacting their family finances. We as a county.

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Government should be doing the exact same thing. I prefer just to put this project on complete hold.

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Until things stabilize in the future, I see absolutely no need to be opening up this community.

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Center, when we have all these senior centers that are stressed and not being utilized now, this.

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Is an inappropriate use of what limited funds we have on hand and it's going to get much.

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Worse as we move forward, so I would love to put this on hold, think back and reflect. After all,.

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The citizens down in south carol had to make a sacrifice with removing excuse me.

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I had to make a sacrifice of removing the south carol precinct for the sheriff's department.

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From their area, that is a sacrifice that was made by the south carolina citizens.

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And I'd like to request a potential sacrifice of the north carolina.

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Citizens to allow us to put this on whole and be understanding just like. We need to.

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Be understanding of their own personal finances as well? So while I appreciate those comments, I really.

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Do I see where you're coming from uh you know? I can assure you that when you start comparing.

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South carol and what you have down there to north carolina, what they've got up there.

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You better put your big boy pants on and get ready, because there ain't nothing up there.

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And those folks have gone without a building now for at least five years.

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How long do you want them to wait? How long do you want them to wait for us to replace something that.

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Was near and dear to them that was the focal point of that community, oh by the way and they're all.

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Split up voting, some of them go there, some go over there, some go over there, there's no focal.

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Point to that community anymore anymore. You have focal points in your community down there.

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You and you can't argue that point with me, because if you want to we'll we'll go we'll get deep into.

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The weeds there is nothing up there like that, so you want to put this on hold, which that's fine. I.

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That I appreciate all those opinions but you're putting something on hold. That's gonna.

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Absolutely increase so you're, just you're gonna make it harder for this.

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Project to occur and you're gonna you're gonna put off something that we've been promising to.

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That community up there for years and just because you think that you know we've got to live within.

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Our means we're all living within our means. Could we put a bigger building up there and a.

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Brick building that would be greater absolutely we could. This is a budget building anyway, so.

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While I appreciate your argument there and I I like to get all those points.

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I will not sit here and and and have a void in that community occur again or still I'm done.

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They need something up there, they need it now. They need it yesterday, it's time to move.

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And if we can do it, the way in which work we're doing it and can can can do it without perhaps.

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A challenge with our our our interest and, and you know, making those bond payments.

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In this manner, then so be it. But if we wait, this building is going to go, get higher in cost.

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And it's just time to move on. I mean, if you'd like to to hear from the community I'll be glad.

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To take you up there, you go as far as the as the union mills homestead and you make a huge big.

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Yippity-Doo-Dah about that place, and that's what happens so but but beyond that there there's life.

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Well, I appreciate so and there's got we've got to do something for that community. We.

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Have got to do it I'll, tell you just um putting apples to apples, oranges, oranges, so.

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Sheriff's department, senior center senior centers are staffed and our director of citizen services.

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She is doing a phenomenal job with our senior centers, comparing senior centers and sheriff's.

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Department and other things down to south carol, because I'm down south carroll is unfair.

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Comparing that to the charles carroll community, so I'm not sure who's feeding, that information.

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But the fact is when there's a challenge with the senior center, uh you know staffing. It's addressed.

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It is addressed, and I am very uh you know, proud what they do to address it and.

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The sheriff's department we made, we made a conscious decision to push that to the.

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Right so comparing a sheriff's department- and that was by the advice of the sheriff.

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Okay, so pushing that to the right has nothing to do with this. So let's keep things together and.

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My focus from the discussion was: is this a priority and we believe that it is a priority.

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Now it sounds like we believe the four of us believe this is a priority that now challenges.

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Is it a pragmatic solution to use the funds that are today to go forward with this, and we got a.

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Step closer by saying that there's no interest on the funds so we're we're getting there, but maybe.

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Well, well, no yeah! I mean, I think, that's you said: there's no yeah yeah! So as long as the board.

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Follows through with the budget process? That's why I say: that's awesome because that's correct come.

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Come there could be other thoughts point, but no time there's a slab up there at least.

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But comparing priorities like that, I I disagree with, um because those are my priorities down there.

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And I 100 agree that those are priorities, but I'm not going to compare those to this because.

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We're not talking about taking this money away from another pot of money so but ultimately.

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It's going to impact overall budget, that's the point I'm making. This is all piece of the pie.

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And every time we allocate new resources, new debt financing that hits our bottom line and squeezes.

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Out something else: we're not hitting new services. No, and you started off your statement saying we.

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Closed the school to save money, we didn't close the school, the board of ed, closed the school.

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And that save money on their budget. It didn't save us any money at all, but now we're growing.

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It's a whole different look and we and the last board, which you two weren't on, but the last board.

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I think made a promise to that community to open this building up and to do what we could to get.

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This building up and running as soon as possible, we ran into delays. One of the biggest delays was.

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With the with the road and the and the yeah, the increased secretary right, ingress, egress, which.

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That really put us back, which, by the way, could have been a lot worse. No, I oh believe me. I know.

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They were talking four or five lanes up there at one point. Remember that day yeah and I went.

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And that was, and it was worked out- it did cost this time and money, but it was.

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Worked out, I just feel at least we, the three of us at least, have made a promise to that community.

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I think we need to fulfill that promise. This is a way to keep it moving forward and if we go with.

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What we, if we move forward with this, and we go with how we're going to do with the budget, it.

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Won't cost us 300 000 a year. I just think it has to go forward. I just think the community deserves.

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It they've been waiting for it. They were more or less promised it when that school was torn down.

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I just think we need to vote on this move forward and see where it comes out.

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I mean we have discussed this for quite a while. Well, I think we all know where we're.

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Where we sit, let's well, let's see where it comes out, doesn't give me a lot of confidence. I know so.

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So don't go there. Give me a little bit more. You know again that pragmatic. This is the way we're.

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Going to approach this so yeah and commissioners, I would like to just point out a few things and.

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Hopefully I don't get nice by my counterparts for for saying, but um the the contractor.

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Because of the volatile market that there is right now with materials and so forth in the building.

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They're holding prices for 30 days and that's it um so what day are we on kirk, probably 20.

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Getting close, getting close, um some of the subcontractors that have.

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Submitted their information to the contractor, holding it for 14 days.

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um So that's just where the market is right. Now I don't like it, but that's where it is.

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To piggyback a little bit off of what commissioner wayne said to, hopefully.

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Answer something a question that you had previously, commissioner: weaver.

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We are going to try to value engineer this thing as much as possible um because of obviously the.

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State of where we're at right now, with the funds that we're requesting there has been some items.

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That have been identified to value engineer, but I want to stress that the building itself there's.

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Only so much to it that we can value engineer as it stands right now um now, like commissioner.

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Lance had stated when it was an all-brick building and we you know we had some bells.

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And whistles with it and so forth, those things have been cut out. The bulk of this project and.

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Money is in the civil work that needs to be done. The water, the sewer, the fire suppression system.

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There is a tremendous amount of work of civil to get this pad ready to put a building on.

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So that there is an expense, obviously to receiving the building and putting it up. But.

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There's just a tremendous amount of work on the civil side of things in regards to this project.

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I've had enough shots over the bow. You want to shoot that one. Yet I couldn't I kind of knew it.

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Was coming, it was uh if this stopped right now. What would it look like? I'm sorry, what was the.

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Question if it stopped right now, what would it look like right now up there if it stopped.

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Everything through that playground and basketball court- I'm hoping mr daggett's can find some open.

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Space of 3.2 million dollars that can come to this, but if it's stopped right now, what would.

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It look like I mean that wouldn't look like what it looks like today. I mean there's what there's a.

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There's an open field up there, where the building will building parking lot will eventually go.

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There's a pavilion, a parking lot! That's in shape shambles! Okay, I'll go with that.

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Okay, a playground and a ball field and uh basketball and tennis courts and a big open field.

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That's it there there and you know, as I stated when I was on my rant, I apologize.

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I appreciate you, everybody should know by now that this project is near and dear to my heart.

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I mean because that community has suffered incredibly there's nothing up. There.

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You know we always compare the other part, there's nothing up there. There just isn't this. This.

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Community is growing, there's a lot of young people that are moving in. They need something.

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But there there's nothing there. uh You know so to answer your question.

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It's an it's an open grass field that our guys go up and spend money on to mow it every other week.

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So it just you know, I don't okay. So how come we can't find open space dollars.

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Well, I don't think mr daggett's for a capital project. I mean we we're using open space dollars.

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For other projects, don't have that much of it. We are it's very unpredictable. How much.

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We receive each year right and if we were to try to come up with that sum of money out of.

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Open space funds, it would mean not doing anything else at multiple sites for multiple years right.

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So, as you know, everything I brought to you this morning was replacement of existing items right.

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It would mean when they age out, we take them out and don't replace them with anything.

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I'm just saying I mean it's easy to get after low hanging fruit, but there's.

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Also taking a piece of that and applying it towards this for projects, so I'm sure that's.

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What's going to happen when this is all said and done, okay, the other thing that I gotta.

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Point out is, I don't know how many pencils you've been through as you've sharpened them.

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To get it to where it is today, uh but you know the the work that you've done on this and the.

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Times that I've stuck my head in the door and and you guys that went oh geez here, he comes again.

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uh I truly do appreciate it because, to your question, dick uh you know, they've been sharpening.

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Their pencils on this and there's not much more fat uh here, it's it's it. The building is, is.

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Is a basic building? If you will and it's it, you know it's it's, unfortunately, not going to be.

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A brick building like a lot of our senior centers that are in everybody else's district. uh It's just.

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Not so, I think it's a building, that's going to last for many many years. However, as a result of.

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Sharpening the pencil so will there be some savings? I there probably will be. You know.

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We'll see, but um I just again I can't keep talking about it because it's um I've said my peace.

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And I think we need we need to move here. I really do because I truly do believe the.

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Bottom line for me is, and you guys know how I am fiscally and that was not a shot at the ballot.

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You, commissioner, osteen it wasn't about out of budget. If, if it was, it was not intended to be.

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But if we don't do this now and we wait it's going to be how much more.

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A ton more so looking at it that way, I think we just need to move so.

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I'm going to make the motion that we approve a transfer of funds of 3.2 from water development.

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8294 to the charles carroll community center, in accordance with resolution, c22.02.

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Okay, I got a motion. I got a second. Is there any further discussion on this.

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Knowing that there's no debt service definitely helps towards us. Just remember that in may now.

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I'll remind you, this is a tough one and I I want to be clear: I'm not you got.

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You two have worked with me now for three years. You two unfortunately work with me for seven.

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You know how I am when it comes to fiscal responsibility. You all know that.

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But I truly believe this is incredibly important and I'll. Tell you my comments about down south.

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Do not diminish those priorities of the south precincts or the senior centers, and we will.

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Do everything we can to continue to staff them appropriately and take care of the communities.

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Across this county, so okay any further discussion. I just want to state that.

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It was very important for my colleagues and I to have this debate in front of public. It exposes.

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All the different things we have pulling at us- and I want to show my appreciation.

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To commissioner williams for his commitment to his constituents, that is a very admirable thing to do.

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And I appreciate his passion for his constituents, so thank you very much.

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Okay, any other further discussion, all in favor aye, aye aye against against okay 4-1. Let's move on.

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Charles carroll community, so what are we talking about now? The actual bid is that what we're doing.

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I apologize okay award, the contract for the charles carroll community center.

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Now that we transferred the dollars.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of building construction request, your.

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Approval to award a contract for the construction of the charles carroll community center to north.

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Point builders: in the amount of five million four hundred twenty eight thousand three hundred.

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Dollars this amount is within the proposed budget that was approved prior to this request and no.

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Additional funds will be necessary commissioners. This was the office of procurement. Did this in a.

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Solicited this as a two-step process, the first step in the process was we.

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Issued a request for statement of qualifications, we received 10 qualifications.

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Statement, qualifications from vendors and all 10 were evaluated by an evaluation committee.

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Based strictly on their qualifications, once the evaluations were complete, the top four contractors.

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Were shortlisted, the second step in the process was the fourth, the four shortlisted vendors were.

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Issued a request for proposal where they were to submit a technical and financial proposal.

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Of the four contractors one withdrew, one was disqualified and deemed non-responsive.

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Which left two contractors uh north point? Builders and louis constructions both were.

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Evaluated based on their technical proposal, oral presentation and financial information north point.

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Builders was the highest overall ranked and we are requesting that they'd be awarded the contract.

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So, are you comfortable with north point? Absolutely you guys. I am absolutely.

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Their presentation was was very strong. It came from a different angle than what lewis did.

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um Those previously had been working on the library.

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um If that name uh rings a bell to you all, but uh north point came at it with some potential.

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Problems that they could foresee ways to value engineer.

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And uh they were strong, very strong, um they understand the market. That's out there right now.

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um There is a project, that's extremely similar, and I mean extremely similar to this community center.

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It's in perry hall, it's called the suit cup arena. I would encourage all of you to go and look at it.

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Because it's very similar to what we're building here with the community center.

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They were the contractor on that one. That's right: yeah yeah said that they.

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Were the contractor there so, um but yes, um they're.

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They're ready to go um just because of time frames of ordering the building. um You know um mechanical.

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Electrical, you know to get that equipment in you're, looking at 12 to 16 weeks 10 to 12 weeks.

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On electrical 12 to 16 on mechanical things of that sort, so um you know there's some there's.

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Some time frames involved as well, so the fact that there's an existing building that would be.

D

Almost identical was a big benefit and uh I'm sure commissioner williams would like to go visit I'll.

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Probably get with him: let's see here that I'll pick a ball there that might change everything.

E

What, realistically.

E

What's north point telling you for a timeline here, they've they've told us that the the.

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Steel building is probably eight to twelve months away from coming from being delivered.

H

If, if they put the order in today, wow so does that mean the groundbreaking.

D

Might not happen until we're out of office uh groundbreaking should.

H

Take place before you're at office. Absolutely, I just want to make sure I still show up as chippy.

E

But now you're allowed to get shot now, hey there's those things I want.

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To be careful because there's a lot of hunters up in silver run union mills.

H

But yeah so we've been told eight to 12 months on delivery of the building.

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So I believe that it's like it kind of puts us about 18 months, total.

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Before it's complete, I believe, was this schedule right. Was it 18 months? Yes,.

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But, like I said previously, there's a tremendous amount of civil work that needs to be done.

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Prior to the erection of the of the building itself, so.

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There's a lot to do well, I can assure you that when there's activity that begins to occur up.

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There that there's going to be some happy people and a lot of them yeah and you know.

E

That, yes, as well as I do yes, there's, there's already been a few residents up there. Just.

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You know we were there checking out the well. That was there to make sure the pump is effective.

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And the contractors potentially, if this all went through um you know, had water to work with and.

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So forth and they came out of the woodwork, they knew he was there and they were asking. Why and.

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You know some of them have 24 7 cameras that are watching everything, so they're.

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They're definitely aware of anybody that steps foot on that property to see what's going on so.

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Are they watching the deer or people? No? Probably, but okay, I'm going to make the motion we award the.

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Contract for the community center in silver run to north point. Builders incorporated in the amount of.

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5.428 million and 300 what 5 million 428 300 there you go. I think we all been tripping up on the.

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Number second: okay got motion. Second, any further discussion on this: all in favor aye against.

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Against okay, 4-1: okay: let's move on request approval to sign delta airport consultants, task.

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Order number four. Thank you guys. Thank you all. Let the hunters up there know there's not much means.

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I need to run no.

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Hey good morning still good morning, commissioners, we are requesting board.

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Approval for public works to sign delta task order. Number four task order will provide land.

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Acquisition services, including property surveys, recordable plants, environmental site assessments,.

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Appraisals, review appraisals and regula and negotiation services for 22 parcels.

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These parcels contain the necessary fee, simple acquisitions and easements. We need.

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For the relocation of the runway itself and to keep faa part 77 surfaces free of obstructions.

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After after it begins operation, we have received faa concurrence on the scope of work at a cost.

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Of 659 thousand dollars, the faa will reimburse 90 percent and and the remaining 10 percent or.

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Thousand nine hundred dollars will be paid for out of the airport enterprise fund.

D

I am always astounded at how much all this stuff costs I. I must state that.

D

Like the civil engineers are making more money in the attorneys, I don't know no way.

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Keep in mind, this is 22 parcels and this will take a while, but uh and that I think.

D

This is a revised number from just the other day. It's called yes, it is sir. Yes.

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There's no other questions I'll make the motion that the commissioner's approved to signing the.

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Delta task order number four for the necessary land acquisition, services for properties and.

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Easements needed for the carroll county airport, runaway safety improvement project.

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An amount of 659 thousand dollars. Second, I got a motion got a second any discussion on this.

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All in favor hi. Thank you very much. Commissioners. Thank you, mr myers. We.

D

Appreciate your work on this project. Thank you. You're welcome, keep moving forward.

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Okay, approval of funds to create.

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A cip project to replace the maintenance building at the carroll county farm museum.

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Gentlemen, good morning, commissioners, before you again um we're here before you this morning,.

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To request your approval to transfer funds in the amount of three hundred.

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Five thousand eight hundred dollars to replace the maintenance building.

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Located at the carroll county farm museum, which was destroyed by fire during the spring of 2021.,.

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The office of management and budget has provided the source of these funds.

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And they are here to answer any questions which you may have. The replacement building will use the.

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Same concrete slab as the original structure, which was left intact after the fire.

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The size of the building is 5 600 square feet. The new building will be constructed to meet the.

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Current needs and requirements of the maintenance staff at the farm museum project was bid and five.

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Contractors submitted proposals, those five firms, three were disqualified for not meeting the terms.

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And conditions of the rfp we have recommended to the office of procurement, the contract.

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Trantactor best suited to perform this work. Ms kerry dalski is also in attendance to.

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Present the concurrence and award of the contract, provided we obtain your approval for the transfer.

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Of the funds and again we're more than glad to answer any questions which you may have. Thank you.

G

Thanks you're using the same.

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uh Concrete base you're not going to report floor, you're just saying a shell over it. Yes,.

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At 692 thousand.

H

Yes, commissioner, um what's the actual cost of the building, the actual bid cost for the.

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For the shell building is 209 hundred dollars. Okay, we've got to bring electric back to it. Hb.

H

This time it's going to be heated, the previous one was not so, in addition to that, it was fitted out.

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With an office and some storage area, so there's there's improvements to the inside of the building.

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As well, when I say we're bringing heat in also we're also insulating the building, the.

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Previous building was insulated as well, so we're mostly putting back what was there. There are some.

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Improvements that the farm museum has requested to make their operations better, which we understand.

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um So that's that's! Basically what the project is so we're upgrading a little bit a little.

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And some some some minor upgrades. What I would say is what was there no longer meets energy codes, so.

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There's a lot of upgrades that we've got to put in place because the energy codes are that are in.

H

Existence more mandates and more civil engineering right exactly where does this money come from.

H

This money is coming from part, obviously insurance right, but I'm reading here- yes, yes, bear with us.

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Gentlemen, but uh ted just address it, go ahead. Okay, so some of it will be covered with insurance. The.

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The rest of it is coming from us. uh The transfer is part of that. Coming from us, that's from the.

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Public works unallocated, so this is a capital project with appropriate money in it. uh We we.

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Keep some money there for situations like this, where, during the year you have to come up with.

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Money for for a project, so uh it's available for the issues now, of course, the downside.

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Is having used it, it's not available for something else, so we will have to.

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Look at that during the budget process, but there'll be no debt finance in this no bonds.

G

Be cheaper to move this building to charleston.

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He's all hit you or something I'm going to make the motion of board of commissioners approve.

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Resolution c-22.04.

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To provide funding for replacement of the maintenance building at the farm museum exactly.

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Okay, I got a motion in a couple of seconds any discussion on this all in favor all right: okay,.

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Thank you. Thank you. Talk about a pole, building for the carroll county farm museum.

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The office of procurement, in conjunction with the bureau bureau, of building construction.

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Request your approval to award the contract for the poll building for.

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The carroll county farm museum to myers building systems in the amount of 209.

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Dollars the office of procurement issued a request for bid and received.

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Five responses of the five bids received jcs communications was the apparent low bidder.

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But deemed non-responsible, therefore they were notified that they were disqualified.

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The decision was made to move to the next lowest, responsive and responsible bidder, which was meyers.

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Building construction, I'm sorry, myers building systems, the amount being requested is within.

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The proposed budget approved prior to this request and no additional funds are necessary.

E

Okay, am I the only one that's confused? No, so we're putting a pole building where.

E

The other one burned down correct for 209 000., but yet we just transferred.

D

I know where you're going I'm with you on this. I don't underst, I'm you're going to have to.

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Say this again, so why why I know we're upgrading the building 695, we're upgrading it to the tune.

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Of 400 000 dollars, like I said, commissioner, most most of those upgrades are code changes.

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I'm not I'm not 100, but I'm right. I'm right right.

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That's correct, you're, correct, so we're putting a pole building up and then we're.

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Going to add 400 000 to the pole, building electric hvac, I mean there's sprinklers.

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See you have a problem dean good morning, commissioners.

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Part of the cost is going to be there's 80 foot of this building that was used for storage.

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And it is now going to be used as a part of the work area for the facility.

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Because the what was there was small and what they need now is a larger area. We based the cost for.

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Fitting that area out on what the original cost was to replace the shop area that was existing.

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So there's about a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars, that'll be put into that 80 foot area to.

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Insulate it heat it, the entire building was not heated before it needs to be heated. Now we have.

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At least 24 000 worth of upgrades to meet the new permit requirements for that building. So there's.

Y

There's a lot of uh internal parts to it that have raised the cost we have an architect will bring it.

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On board to do the interior layout and design for it because it has office space, it had bathrooms.

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It had tool rooms and other areas that need to be designed for the installation for the new permit.

Y

So that's where the extra cost was coming in, you don't have to heat storage spots. Do you.

Y

The building is actually going to be a full workshop. There won't be.

Y

There'll be storage but it'll be in the workshop area. There was a large area of just storage, so.

D

Basically, you're saying there'll be an area where you can have mechanics working in there.

Y

Yeah and its environment, the whole building will actually be uh set up for people to work in okay,.

E

Okay, so the 209 is just the building.

E

Myers is going to come in and go correct and then you're going to take it from there correct. Okay,.

D

I'll make the motion the board of commissioners award the contract for pole building.

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For the cal county farm museum to myers building systems inc in the.

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Amount of 209 thousand nine hundred dollars a second okay. I got a motion. I got a second.

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And discussion, it's just the bonnie stob uh building out there are we gonna name it.

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The bounty building phoebe, okay, all in favor aye fantastic. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So much.

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Chris, do we have any public comment? I have no callers, sir. Okay, anything for open admin.

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For my colleagues, I just want to make note that there will be.

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Check your schedules: there will be open session next tuesday, correct.

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Just because and december is going to be a little challenging too, because the way the various.

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Holidays fall, so we may only have. We may have to have a tuesday session in in december as well. Okay,.

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So we will talk about that. Yep yeah, we'll look at that! You need all. You need all five of us or.

E

It's not necessary. Can I pick the ones I want absolutely. I pretty much know who you're gonna.

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Pick okay, um so that still goes with me, so you know with my theme here. You know the only comment.

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I just want to make is uh a lot of good discussion about charles carroll and I've said it before, and.

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Maybe it's just my perspective. This has nothing to do with constituents. It has to do with communities.

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And we all have communities but we're really looking at the carroll county community.

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And what is best and um again, I don't want to be political about it, but whether it's north.

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Carol, high school or charles carroll elementary or you know, harrison leicester, town, mount airy.

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Or the things that are happening in eldersburg and sykesville, it's one carroll county and um I.

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Appreciate working through that, and had nothing to do with to me whether it was a priority really had.

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To do with the pragmatic piece of this, so uh okay agenda review we're not going to skip the gender.

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Review because, last time we did, I think some of us were 30 minutes off schedule for an event.

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So just saying transit advisory council on monday, commissioner fraser will be attending.

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uh Tuesday november 9th we have uh closed admin at 9, 30, 10 o'clock. We have open session with uh bulk.

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Roads, bulk road salt discussion, along with sandy mountain park, parking lot mill and overlay, then at.

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1 pm, we will go into our third residential text work session at 4, 30 p.m, adult drug.

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Adult drug treatment court graduation uh just shows commissioners, bouche and frazier. I believe.

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All of us I mean, I know I am yeah yeah. If I can get my name off there, I cannot make that.

C

Okay, okay, so let's make four of us and not commissioner frazier, but thank you at 6, 30 p.m.

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The 50th anniversary, recreation and parks volunteer of the year awards and all of us will.

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Be attending that as well on wednesday november 10th, the bwi business partnership breakfast.

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The comptroller francho is the guest speaker I'll. I will be attending that.

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uh Opioid prevention coalition will be virtual and commissioner fraser attending that.

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Carroll county farm museum museum got cancelled at 9, 30.. Okay, there will be a vehicles for change.

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Pretty exciting, it's a non-profit, we'll be providing vehicles uh to veterans in the.

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Region and I'll be attending that at 11 o'clock at 5, 00 pm, the investiture of judge, the newest.

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Judge, cara lewis and currently commissioners, boucher, fraser and weaver will be attending that.

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You will not okay um board of education board meeting at same time. I'm going to the investiture.

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And then go to the board meeting: okay, I'm sure you have time to hit both of them absolutely.

E

There's plenty of time between five and midnight.

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On thursday november 11th, the county offices will be closed in observance of veterans day.

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I will be attending uh over at the hospice dove house, uh the unveiling of the veterans.

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On earth wall I'm going to be attending gerstel activity, uh vivian's checking on the times on that.

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Friday and saturday, let me know about that one, because I would like to attend that as well.

C

You're not allowed. No, I'm talking about your stealth thing, not your thing.

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You know why it's not my account: okay go ahead, friday and saturday until really.

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Interrupted nothing sunday. I will be providing a very strong podcast on first time, then yeah.

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That was almost funny monday november 15th, nothing tuesday november 16th. We have local.

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Management board meeting commissioner frazier will be attending the planning commission will.

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Be virtual, commissioner: lance will be attending. Actually that's in person. That's right, yeah, okay,.

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So the uh that's in person, I think I I believe it's in person.

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The carroll community college annual meeting we will all be attending at 2 p.m.

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And that will be at carroll community college and then the veterans advisory.

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Meeting which will be virtual is the same time, so I doubt the two of us will be attending that.

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um On wednesday november 17th the ag conservation zoning- oh, we got our fourth work group no, no ag.

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Conservation zoning text work group meeting apologize. Commissioner weaver is attending.

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That this is a workshop okay! No, as you can see, what is that yeah yeah like what.

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Okay, there'll be a mako fall retreat up in baltimore, commissioner, lance will be attending on.

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The 18th well yeah, I know I'll- be here for open session, so I'll be attending that later in the.

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Evening so, okay, okay, well, since commissioner- wants to be here for open session, we'll have it open.

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Session we have closed at eight nine, we'll have open session uh solid waste funding, talk about.

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Radios and accessories for our fire department, cisco, smart net support services, renewal.

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We'll get our quarterly update from mr zolewski from department of management and budget and.

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Consideration of bond sale award resolution from.

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Mr rob burke our comptroller, so that is the day of the bond sale.

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I thought the 20th was the day of the bond sale. The 18th is the day of the bond sale um and.

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You're looking at me, I thought you should have twenties. No, that would be. That would be a saturday.

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Yeah, okay, okay um and- um and so we always have to remain a little flexible. With regard to that, the.

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Sales, usually, I think it's around 10 o'clock in the morning and then by the time they do their.

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Calculations and machinations and um figure out who, who wins um so to speak, um they'll be here. We.

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Have a public hearing starting at one, so um that was already previously advertised, and so we can't.

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Really move that, but we can. We may if worst case scenario occurs and they're not done and ready.

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At 12 30 at 12 45, we may have to pause the public hearing for for the few minutes that.

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It takes to award the winning bidder on the bond sale. Okay, that's all that makes sense and then.

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It's a 1 p.m, not a.m, along with 7 p.m. So we'll have two public hearings. uh We will.

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Be in downstairs in room 003., so the public hearings are for it because of the bond sale.

C

These two public hearings at one and seven: it's for the text.

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It's for his text amendments it's for residential amendments, right, okay, okay, so I I'm gonna have.

E

A conflict there because of the mako board retreat um not sure who looked at that, but.

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I doubt if I'm going to be at the public hearing, the second one, the second one: okay, okay, so.

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The second one's virtual actually um so the evening one is virtual. So.

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um And and again with public hearings, it's just a listening role: okay for the board. Well, then, I can.

E

Watch it after the fact that you can watch it. One o'clock is virtual too: no, no one pm's in person.

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Okay, we wanted to give options to people- okay, not only time but also virtual as well. Okay,.

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Commissioner, wants to continue with the mako fall retreat on friday, the 19th nothing on saturday.

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And looking forward to commissioner lance's podcast on that sunday, what I need is a motion.

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To go into closed for land acquisition or and then uh recess after that and then go.

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Back into open at 1 pm motion to go and close the line for land acquisition, all in favor hi.

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I know my brain's really not functioning cylinders right now, yeah, he seconded he just mumbled, okay,.

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So he's been mumbling directly since now I need a motion motion to recess until one o'clock. Second.

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I have a motion and a very soft second, all in favor.

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