Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 6 Oct 2022

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Okay good morning, commissioner, ed rothstein, I know it's october- it's october 6th wow. Hopefully those.

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That um observe yom kippur had an easy and healthy fast yesterday and a good start to the new year.

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um As we always do, let's stand for pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence.

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Thank you boring.

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Still thinking about ian- and I think it's up to 120 now confirmed that have passed in florida.

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Because the hurricane in um so let's just keep the men, women and children and families.

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Friends and family in our thoughts as you're going through that.

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Horrible time, um let's start off with priority carol, uh commissioner frazier.

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Well, I'd say: don't have a lot. I was kind of rushed getting here, but anyway the things I really want.

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To talk about last year, we had a very, very mild flu season. I think it had to do with the people.

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Staying away and wearing masks and that kind of thing everything is opened up now and I'm happy.

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For that, but think about getting the flu shot, if you get it this month, it'll really protect.

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You, when the flu is in full swing and also if you need to get a covet booster, get one of those. So.

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Everyone's protected for this upcoming flu and and you know, cold season that that's coming up.

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That's all I have okay, commissioner weaver. Well, I think we've spent the last two days here in.

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The county, uh working on a credit review to keep our bond ratings, hopefully a trip away. It's been.

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Interesting two days- and I do want to thank our staff for putting together fantastic packages.

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And this is where we uh get a lower interest rate on the bonds we we sell, and uh hopefully we can.

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Keep this triple a rating that has been, I think, uh amazing, in carroll county. I think there's 50.

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Counties in the uh united states that have that bond rating out of 1100 counties or something.

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Like that, it's unbelievable uh that we're able to be that strong and when you look at us financially.

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We are carroll, county is in a very good place, and this morning I know we're a little bit late, but we.

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Had the chance to attend the chamber of commerce and audubon bosu uh uh economist, give us forecasts.

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For the future- and it was interesting to say the least- he's amazing as far as what he gave us, but.

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um I think our outlook is still good. Despite what he uh said, we do have some rising inflation and.

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Next year is going to be challenging, but I think uh uh it was interesting to hear somebody who has.

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That much research and time into it giving us their forecast. So that's all I have for today.

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Okay, thank you, commissioner boucher. Thank you good morning, sorry for being tardy. I was caught up in.

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Audubon basu speaking economy is a nerdy subject, but as a public official, it's so vitally important.

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That we all understand the economy and, what's coming as we set our budgets as always, it's an.

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Honor to talk about things going on county, we have walk in the park. The next walk is october, 18th.

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It's a halloween themed, walk we're encouraging everyone to get dressed up in costumes, come out.

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And walk uh there'll, be the story trail out there in hampstead, which is a wonderful program where.

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The library teams off wrecking parks and they set up little pages of the story throughout the.

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Trail so hopefully we'll have some children out there we'll have representatives from the library.

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It's going to be very festive I'll, be dressed up. I won't tell you what I'm dressing up as.

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And there'll be photos and we'll get it up on the website. So please encourage everyone who got there.

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And walk in the park, I would like to welcome on new employees to the county. We have cameron brook.

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Gis analyst 9-1-1 services, public safety, sarah kolowski office, associate land resource management.

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Our new uh director of human resources, chrissy bixler, kyle, thornton, public safety, technician, amy.

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Booker court assignment officer, delilah grant sheriff recruitment, kathleen meadows sheriff.

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Recruitment, chester, riley apprentice operator and utilities, dave westbrook, fire inspect inspector.

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Permits an inspection, christopher dorman apprentice operator, dylan, moore, correctional.

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Deputy detention center devon, patrick deputy first class byron, reamers, deputy first class and peter.

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Samuelski's, bailiff and circuit court, it's nice seeing new people come on a sheriff's department.

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And as always real quickly, I want to read all some of the events going on with the fire departments.

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Please show your support to them. There's westminster fire department, open house on the 8th.

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Winfield fire department, steamed crabs, sale on the 9th manchester golf tournament on the 10th.

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Pleasant valley crab feed on the 15th manchester gun bingo. It's always exciting here in carroll.

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County at the manchester activities, building gamber fire department, gun bingo on the 15th reese.

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Breakfast on the 16th winfield fire department, spaghetti dinner: that's always a blast on the.

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19Th and the winfield and fall harvest festival on the 22nd reece fire department will have a shrimp.

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Fall shrimp drive through on the 22nd reese fire department will also had their weekly club banquet.

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On november 5th and the winfield fire department all day, bingo, which my mother loves on the 5th of.

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November union bridge fire department, cash bingo banquet on the 19th of november and a reese fire.

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Department breakfast on november november, 20th, please patronize, all of our fire departments.

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That need your help. After all, the pandemic put a big impact upon their receivables and.

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Fundraising and with that I'll close, thank you very much, okay, um not sure. What's nerdy about.

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Economics, I have a master's in him, so uh don't find myself too much of a nerd, but um on a bombasu.

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And the chamber did a great job in sharing um where carroll county is the state of maryland.

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And the country, and really came down to things that we can influence and things that are just.

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Nice to be aware of the biggest takeaway I got is to shop local and take advantage of main streets.

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And keep our communities vibrant, because those are things that we can control uh most of all.

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um Really proud of the team, the government team that put together to bond rating you know with.

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The three financial institutions that came down from new york city uh and I think, all three left.

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With a full stomach from the great food in carroll county, along with uh a great understanding or a.

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Wonderful understanding excuse me of uh where the county stands um financially and uh you.

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Know where, where our outlook is a lot of, I see a lot of fire men and women in front of me a.

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Lot of discussion about that- and you know the uh importance of moving forward um deliberately.

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With uh our fire and ems and uh yeah, they, I think they walked away very, very positive.

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In their approach, the third thing is which I really enjoyed this. It was uh 11 girl, scouts.

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I was asked to uh share with them carroll county government and uh had them downstairs at first and.

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It was interesting one of the times he said. What's that building over there I said was the detention.

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Center, it's the jail where folks go when they're in trouble. How many people are in there? I'm like.

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I have no idea, so I call up the sheriff put them on speakerphone and uh he spoke to the girl scouts.

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As well, which they just got a kick out of, and so do the parents, um but we had a good time, of course,.

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They wanted a photo and then more importantly, don't take yourself so seriously. Do everything you.

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Do very seriously we had a little funny faced uh competition going on. So thank you very much. Chris.

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Always have a great opportunity to uh share. What's going on in our community.

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um As I finished off with fire ems, I do have a proclamation mike. Why don't you come on up to.

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The table, as I read the fire prevention week of october, 9th and 15th 2022, and if you want others.

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To come on up mike carolenko representing the professional firefighters, paramedics.

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I've got rick baker representing our esac and susan mott. The.

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First, vice president of the cc visa, okay, one of you all come on up to the seat carol. What's that.

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Okay, no, I apologize to the chairs, I'm sorry! Yes, this way you get to talk into mics and let me.

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Just just put your era the proclamation first and then give it off to you mike, and you can.

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Facilitate or orchestrate it from there, okay, so fire prevention week october, 9th through october.

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15Th carroll county is committed to ensuring the safety and security of all those living in and.

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Visiting our county and whereas fire is a serious public safety concern both locally and nationally.

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And homes are the locations where people are at greatest risk from fire and whereas home fires.

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Cost 2 580 civilian deaths in the united states in 2020, according to national fire protection.

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Association and fire departments in the united states responded to 356 thousand home fires and.

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Whereas working smoke alarms cut the risk of dying in reported home fires in half smoke, alarms, sense.

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Smoke will sense smoke well before ucan, alerting you to danger in the event of fire in which you.

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May have as little as two minutes to escape safely and whereas carroll county residents should be.

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Sure everyone in a home understands the sounds of the smoke alarms and knows how to respond.

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And whereas carroll county residents, who have planned and practice a smoke home fire escape.

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Plan are more prepared and will therefore be more likely to survive a fire in carroll.

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County residents will make sure their smoke and carbon monoxide alarms meet the needs of all their.

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Family members, including those with sensory or physical disabilities and carroll county.

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First responders are dedicated to reducing the occurrence of home fires and home fire injuries.

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Through prevention and protection, education and carroll county residents that are responsive to.

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Public education measures are better able to take personal steps to increase their safety from fire.

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Especially in their homes and the 2022 fire prevention week theme fire won't wait plan your.

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Escape effectively serves to remind carroll county, it is important to have a home fire escape plan.

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Now, therefore, we, the board of carroll county commissioners, to hereby proclaim october 9th.

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Through 15th 2022 as fire prevention week signed by all of us, I uh you know laughed just a little.

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Bit because sometimes when my wife and I know she may be listening, sometime- has a good meal being.

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Prepared the smoke alarm may go off and we'll all say, mom's cooking. But everybody knows what.

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That smoke alarm sounds like um I always thought that, and and we do it, we change the batteries.

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um When we move the clocks, if there's some people, do it, then or somebody will do it at.

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Halloween, you know one or the other, but uh is that still a common practice? Actually, the technology.

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Has changed and now smoke detectors require a 10-year sealed battery okay. So we actually ask.

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You to evaluate your smoke detectors and if you have the old style, pick up. One of the new newer.

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Styles, which are 10-year sealed batteries, and so all new residences will have those. No that's.

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Great to know, because I don't it's a c battery and we change it every year, so that'll be being done.

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uh Today or tomorrow, so thank you. I can confirm that I was in lowe's a couple weeks ago. Looking.

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For my uh replacement and uh was holding these newfangled things up wondering if they would.

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Work but now you don't have to replace it for 10 years, wow. Okay, that that's good good to know so so.

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Mike, why don't you uh orchestrate us through who we have in front of us? Yes, we have representing.

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um I go from left to right representing our career, firefighters, paramedics, michael carolenko,.

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Local 5184 we've got the chairman of our emergency services, advisory council.

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Mr baker, who will be meeting with you all next week and rick's, been instrumental in.

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Moving the esac along done a lot of work for us and representing the county carroll county.

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Volunteer emergency services association, their first vice president susan mott and.

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Everybody's a partner in this system and we work together daily, we're in regular contact and.

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Moving the system along fantastic I'll, tell you susan's very influential, as she told me.

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To be somewhere on friday evening- and I will be there because she told me to be there so.

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Very influential woman, just saying yes and I'd also like to comment- is the number of.

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Fire fatalities nationally in the last 30 years, has been cut by more than 50 percent.

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And in carroll county we're fortunate, we have two actually under state ordinances that are in place.

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That protect us and that's number one. The smoke detectors that now have to be combination, smoking.

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Carbon monoxide, because most fire fatalities are caused by high levels of carbon monoxide.

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The other thing is, is everything new in carroll county is required to be sprinklers as far as.

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Residential structures and we've never had a fire fatality in a sprinkler residential structure in.

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Carroll county so there's a margin of safety that, through good government, has been put in place that.

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Protects all the citizens and we're glad to see those numbers go down and on a daily basis, all.

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14 of our volunteer companies work with their communities directly with uh fire prevention.

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And community risk reduction programs to help take those numbers down even further, so we thank them.

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For all their efforts, director robinson's thanks for mentioning the sprinkler system, commissioner.

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Lance is not here with us today, but I want to give him special recognition for his leadership.

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On that issue, he was out on the forefront of that there's. A lot of public outcry against it.

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But the end of the day the numbers are showing that that was the right thing to do, and I want.

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To give special recognition for him in his absence, thank you and it still remains around a dollar ten.

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Cents per square foot to sprinkler residence and most people buying a new home spend much more than.

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That in flooring, upgrades and other amenities landscaping all that very cost effective. I just.

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Like to mention, as a former teacher when I taught the elementary school level, we always talked about.

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This this week and the reason that this week is right in october. It's because it was the time.

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Of the great chicago fire, but which I learned as a teacher which I didn't know until I was.

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Teaching the stuff, so almost every major city in the united states had a similar event and that's.

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Why they all changed their building codes that were all you know, wooden to brick or some type.

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Of structure that wouldn't burn quite as quite as easily so it was a learning experience for me, too,.

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But I just as a teacher I want to put out there that's why fire national fire prevention week is.

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In october, because of mrs o'leary's cow 18 1872 and that sparked the formation of the national.

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Fire protection association, who's responsible for all of our codes. This sparked a word to be used.

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What's that you said sparked: is that a pun intended yes and sparky's actually part of.

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The nfpa and this year is the 100th anniversary of fire prevention week. Okay, so special initiatives.

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Are out there this year because we're celebrating 100 years first one being in 1922. well, were you.

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Going to say well, so I was going to mentioned all that, but you know I'm just kidding that national.

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Night out, has it been effective? um Have you seen, maybe not you mike, but others with national.

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Night out, events been effective in sharing information to the community when it comes to fire.

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Yeah and that's primarily for law enforcement. However, in carroll county, our law enforcement.

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Partners have joined with us and have invited us there, so we do things with community risk.

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Reduction, hands-only cpr smoking, carbon monoxide detectors and whenever we get an opportunity.

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We try to turn it into a fire safety event. It's not I'll mention that it's not just during fire.

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Prevention week, but it's a year-round program and we hope to enhance that as we start to staff our.

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Stations that will be part of their additional duties beyond running calls will be to partner.

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With the volunteer companies to make sure we're getting the message out and over the next.

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Several weeks you will see fire engines and other apparatus coming to local schools and giving their.

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Fire prevention talks, so it's it's a year-round program, but we try to place emphasis during this.

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Specific week- and we thank you for coming- that's kind of where I was going is: what else can we do.

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um I mean there's there's several things that we can do. um One of them being is that.

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Is is to continue to try to get more formal education programs into the school systems.

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um I know that they do it. We all go to the different. The different elementary schools.

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Preschools kindergarten to to deliver a message, but I believe it was more structured that it could.

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Be something more that could be offered in the school curriculum? It could just be a day, and it's.

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Amazing, how that interaction with the children when they get that information they go home and.

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They educate their parents, so I think that's one thing that we can continue to do with that at the.

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Elementary school level, it's at least start at the elementary school level, because that's what.

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I remember, I remember you know the coloring. You know uh stuff like that. You know what I mean.

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When you're, when you were little and you would bring it home and you put on a refrigerator and.

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Then we'd all practice, you know, huh did you color inside lines? No, no adults, I'm wondering when they.

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Get scared, I mean: what are they going to? Do? They go hide. They go hide under the bed to go hide in.

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A closet you know, so it's so what I know what we all try to do is to and and when you have all the.

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Gear when you have your breathing apparatus, so when you're going through a house, you sound like a monster, I mean you know: you're, you sound like um archangel jones yeah into darth vader. So so it is.

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It it does help with the education when you get that young to hit them early with that, and also.

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This is with them to practice home fire drills. You know everybody wants to be a firefighter fighter.

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Yes, we hope that's true roberta here we want them to become paramedics. So just curious. Do you.

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Get the opportunity to present this to the board of education and ccps, I mean even you.

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Know there's a lot of public comments that we've been seeing. This would be a really.

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Strong public comment uh or get it on the agenda for one of their meetings. For this.

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Long five minutes and saying here is something that can be done in partnership or relationship.

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I don't know, have you done that or we have we haven't done that yet, but that that's on our.

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um The strategic plan it's actually mentioned and we're addressing that and one of our goals.

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Would be to one day uh board of education, funded, of course, would be to have a full-time.

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Public educator to look at all the areas of community risk reduction and the other part.

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Of the population, uh now that I am one is our senior population with the number of assisted.

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Living facilities that we have cooking fires are the number one cause of fires in america.

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And so we want to start hitting the seniors, particularly those in assisted living facilities,.

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And some of the senior housing which is very prominent throughout carroll county and, like I.

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Said that includes myself, so we have to become more cognizant at that level just because of a.

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Number of physical changes that correlate into certain abilities, particularly when cooking so.

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It's a year-round program, one of the things, if I could mention too that when the sprinkler law.

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Came into effect in carroll county, I always tried to beat the drum that it was always important to.

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Get the public involved into it so that it was helped the homeowners or the businesses or the.

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People who were living in a sprinkler building cut down on their risk of lost their life and property.

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But it also cuts down on life and risk of the firefighters going responding to.

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One of those calls too we're not having to go into a right as bad an environment.

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Is what we normally would be if it was in a non-sprinkler building right, so it significantly.

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Helps us cut down on the risk of our lives, um as as we respond to those type of incidents and.

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And just to add, with our new modern construction, we now see um houses it used to be. We had about.

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12 minutes from the time of a 9-1-1 call for us to get there before the house gets to the point.

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Where it's an uncontrolled fire now with modern lightweight construction materials, we're now.

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Seeing that as low as three and a half minutes, so it makes the the home escape the smoke and carbon.

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Monoxide detectors and residential sprinklers that much more critical today than even 20 years ago. I.

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I know I'm probably going a little off topic. I had the fire department when I ran fort meade and then.

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I thought it was an eight minute response time that they had to have the ability and he partnered.

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With anne arundel, as you know, is that response time still I mean, could you just said three and a.

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Half minutes yeah we're now and and it's almost an impossibility to be able to get there quick enough.

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To do that, so that's why we're advocating the sprinklers right and um it's important that we can.

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Get our apparatus on the street and at the door as quickly as possible, but again the sprinklers.

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Are going to be the biggest dynamic in making a difference? We don't really, and most people need to.

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Understand if you have homeowners insurance, that's going to take care of your structure, there's no.

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Nothing that's going to replace life and the important thing is and that's where we have an.

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Educational component to this we've got to get people to get out of their house, not worry about.

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Their other valuables, but make that escape quickly because of the potential for the fire to escalate.

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To take a moment to go back to the education yeah carroll county visa has worked with the.

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Schools for years on the poster program where the elementary schools and middle schools are given a.

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Topic, a fire prevention topic right can do it artistically and then it's voted on and then.

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They are rewarded for what they do, but it is a huge educational opportunity for the kids and for.

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Their parents, because they helped participate in this yep, absolutely agree appreciate the education.

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As we're just recognizing the fire, we can this proclamation so anything else. This photo off. Let's.

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Do a photo: okay, whoever wants to get up there. You got guys in the background or whatever you want.

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Okay, let's move on.

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Public hearing chapter 155 development and subdivision of land proposed code modification.

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Good morning laura good morning, mr president, this is a public hearing.

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On some proposed revisions to chapter 155, that is our subdivision and development.

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Code, it was uh this public hearing was advertised in the carroll county times.

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And it was publicized on our county website. On august, the 11th 2022, you heard a staff a.

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Review of the proposed changes with us, as you know, as is laura matthias from our bureau of.

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Development review and she's here to give us a summary or just answer your questions.

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Yes, okay, do we need uh this first and then public comment or us first, if you think you.

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Need a little uh brush up since it was back in august, she's she's ready to go on that or.

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I think it would help so you have a slide deck to share. I do thank you. Thank you, mr burke.

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So, as mr burke said, we were here back in august, we provided a summary and had some discussion with.

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You and then we're directed to proceed to public hearing. So again, I'm just going to review the.

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Objectives of these code modifications, as well as the key items within those that proposal. Okay and.

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A reminder that the proposal is not changing process. It is not changing the authority of.

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Our planning and zoning commission, the primary objectives are clarity and more predictability.

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For people looking at our code, so a recap of that process which started even before may of.

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2022 but that's when we started discussions with our engineers, the board of county commissioners.

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Referred to the planning commission for them to review, the planning commission saw this multiple.

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Times there was discussion and forwarded it to the county commissioners, and here we are today.

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August 11th, or we were at august 11th and now we're at october 6th for this public hearing.

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So again, a reminder of the objectives. This chapter of the code, 155, is what we're focused.

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On the title of the chapter is development and subdivision of land. We do have a development.

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Review manual, which we are looking to retire and absorb all pertinent information into the code.

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Reconfigure chapter 155 to streamline the layout and revise for again clarity and predictability.

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So as we reviewed last time, those key items that we're adding most of these are coming from the.

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Manual put being put into the code there's an additional um the last one, the road frontage.

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Dedication requirements for site plans, we have this for subdivisions but not site plans. We'd.

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Like to add this into the code for site plans that are not in the agricultural zoning district.

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Key items removed, we had previously what we call an esd environmental site delineation.

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This for years has already been absorbed into our overall general review process.

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So there wasn't a need for that redundancy to have it in the code and then the parking.

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Space requirements are proposed to be moved from chapter 155, as they mostly.

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Relate to uses moving those to chapter 158, the zoning code, and we are working with.

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Department of planning, as well as our zoning administrator, to see where that best fits.

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And then the one modification modification simply to the percentage outlined in the code for what.

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Falls under an administrative modification regarding use in common driveways is this to.

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Lessen the opportunities for using common driveways or it's to align with the requests that.

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We often see which is an existing 10 foot wide driveway and the code for use in common requires.

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12 foot wide right, so it would accommodate the most frequent requests that we get and instead of.

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Having to go before the full planning commission, it would be an administrative medication per the.

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Head of the department, in conjunction, of course, with conversation with all pertinent agencies,.

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That would weigh in fire and emergency services, bureau of resource management, etc.

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Support have any other questions. Are there any questions.

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Thank you, mr president. At this point it's appropriate to take.

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Any public comment: do we have any public comment cards received for uh statements.

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No is there anybody on the phone.

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Anybody on the phone chris, I have nowhere on the line. Thank you. Anybody out there.

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With that, I moved the board of commissioners leave the public hearing and leave the record.

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Open for no less than 10 days, close to public hearing brooklyn yeah, a second to closing, okay.

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We've got the motion, we got the second and discussion seen here. None all in favor all.

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Right, thank you so much laura. Thank you all that was very interesting. Okay,.

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Carroll county code of public law, local laws and ordinances dealing with chapter 37., fire ems.

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Mr president, we have another public hearing today. As you said, it's regarding chapter 37.

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Which is our new fire in ems ordinance? uh This ordinance was duly advertised in the.

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Carroll county times- and it was publicized on the county's website at the ems website with us here-.

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Today uh is uh mike robinson, the director, and he has a short summary of what's being proposed and.

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It is a little different from uh from what we started with, but not much different, so.

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Okay good morning, commissioners, and uh obviously I'm not going to go through line by line I'll hit.

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The highlights, since the uh ordinance one ad for public comment, we again reviewed different.

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Things and there are no substantive changes to what was presented previously. There are.

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Some language changes that have been made, one of the areas um and I'll just go through the.

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Sections is under the director. We propose a change of director, slash chief, and that would.

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Be consistent with other code language, where a department director is identified for purposes.

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Of the code itself and its interaction with other county codes, the title of the individual.

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Holding that position would be that of chief to be consistent with the fire and ems service, as we.

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Had previously discussed so that's one change in there under the um same section, we have.

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Identified the esac, the emergency services advisory council and we've actually put them.

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In code language- and that was after meeting with esac and that's under section c of 37.001, which.

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Codifies the esac and their duties, and this is consistent to the enabling legislation that was.

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Passed, I believe in 2018, so it actually would codify that and it identifies their bylaws as.

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Their operating parameters- that's the other area that was placed in there most of the other areas.

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Is because we got into some discussion previously about the fair labor standards act, we have placed.

E

In our definitions as to what an employee is and you'll see, the number 207k that comes out.

E

Of the federal um statute that identifies those employees with that are firefighters,.

E

And ems that come under the exemption for overtime based on a wage and hour formula.

E

And I know there had been some discussion and I don't know if there's any comments today on that.

E

But we define that in the code, language and we've also defined a non-207k employee. That.

E

Will be those paramedics that we hire that because they're paramedics we want to hire.

E

Them but they may not have fire training. They come under a different formula where everything.

E

After 40 hours they will get overtime at a time and a half rate. So all the other.

E

Areas, it's just a matter of housekeeping have been updated to reflect all those other areas.

E

So beyond that, there's no substantive changes to the language in the code, as was presented.

E

And this has been up for public comment now for a number of days and available to everyone.

A

So director, slash chief we're referring to you in that position. Is that what you're saying yes.

E

I don't know so. The the title in essence would be chief michael robinson, director of fire and ems.

D

Sounds good to me.

I

hmm What are you finished? Yeah, I'm just thinking.

A

About it, yeah please, I do have a question on the overtime pay.

B

For firefighters, I is this: what you're proposing is work in excess of 212 hours within 28 day.

B

Period then then I'll receive overtime. Pay. Is that correct? Is that what's done everywhere else.

E

Restrictions in maryland, which right now would be anne aroma, county, prince george's county salisbury.

E

uh The city of annapolis- and I believe that that those are the jurisdictions they do pay.

E

Overtime after 212, however, each of those jurisdictions and done some research on it.

E

They've all identified that through collective bargaining agreements and currently we have no.

E

Collective bargaining agreement right, but I I would like us to be competitive. I mean we're.

B

Trying to hire firefighters in here I want us to be competitive, so we get people in here.

B

So I'm not I, I don't think I understood your answer to be.

B

Honest with you, so everyone else wasted 212 hours before they give overtime, pay.

E

Yeah well, no, actually not there's other jurisdictions that I just mentioned um anything.

E

After their so they work a 24-hour shift they're held over for an hour because they get a late call.

E

Those other jurisdictions would get time and a half overtime, we'll be paying straight overtime or.

E

Straight time, pay at their regular rate until they cross that threshold of 212 hours in a pay period.

B

All right because again, I'm thinking about recruit recruitment, get people in here because we're going.

B

To hire what 324 people over the next two years or whatever is going to be to what okay, but anyway,.

E

If we want to be competitive, get people in here, I think we have to. I think it has to be better.

B

Than what it is here just my opinion, but I I would like to hear what the here in the public.

B

um You know public comment, but I just think it has to be better. I I want we want to do this. We want.

B

To stand up this for us, we have to be competitive with the people around us who are trying to hire.

B

The exact same basically people we want them to come to carroll county. I think that's a. I think.

B

That's a major issue, that's just my opinion, I'm not sure if it is or not I'm not a firefighter.

B

I I personally like to see that change, but that's just me.

A

As to what to what the other counties and or cities are doing that after, if it's 24 hours, they.

B

Work an hour over time to get the hour overtime at pay and a half. I, if they're doing that, I think we.

B

Should be doing it currently, they would work in a 28-day cycle, they would work 168 hours, so they.

E

Will have a deficit of 44 hours until they would be eligible for overtime, so it would be after they.

E

Hit 168 hours, then they would need another 44 hours right. That's I my feeling after.

B

The 116 hours, then overtime should start, but just no right, I understand I. My challenge is.

A

Where we were last year with the budget and how difficult it was getting us through, you know I.

B

I I understand you we put that in place now I mean looking at next budget season.

A

It's going to be okay, it could be catastrophic the numbers and that I don't like um I mean you.

A

Know it was hard enough to get the budget to where we got to today. You know- and I I do I do know that.

B

But I I think I don't think this is right, simple, as that no, I understand, but I think we need to.

A

Live within our means, I mean more than we are. If we put this in place, we'd be so far out.

A

Or potentially we did, we did run some numbers with our budget analyst and once we were fully staffed.

E

Which I'm going to say, is going to approach 250. The potential liability is up to about.

E

4 million dollars, but the thing to understand is: is it doesn't mean that everyone every pay cycle.

E

Is going to be getting sure, 44 hours of overtime, it would be sporadic at best, so we don't in year.

E

One, it wouldn't be a significant impact, but as we grow exponentially, it's going to be a significant.

E

Amount of unfunded liability into the millions of dollars- I I agree so if we set the stage now.

A

And you know we're trying to forecast our budget out. We are going to be, I think, in a very difficult.

A

Position but if you're going to wait, if you're going to, I don't know how it's going to turn.

B

Out but okay, let's say this passes the way it is so you're going to wait until another.

B

Board comes in to try to make a change to this awesome. I mean I just don't see that happening.

B

I don't see it happening soon anyway, the budget yeah. I know I just the budget passed.

A

As you know, 3-2- and it was hard enough to get us there right- we put this in place.

A

I one I don't want to be short-lived because it's going to be hard to maintain that. But I.

A

Think we need to get through the budget before and probably amend this, if necessary. Afterwards,.

A

um That that's my thoughts on it. I mean, I know what you want to do and I.

A

I don't disagree with the the sentiment of it and that's to be competitive.

A

You know across the state, but I think the the the cost of it is potentially going to put us.

A

In such a, I think we need to see a prediction on this as okay. If it goes in this way, first year.

C

What what's the possible predictions after 250 and what what it cost us I mean. I think we do need to.

C

See yeah, I agree when you see fiscal year one and our anticipation, l, is for the current fiscal year.

E

We're probably not going to have everybody in place, that's budgeted which will be 88 positions.

E

Until probably april so we're looking at uh april may and june, so the impact is minimal.

E

That, first year, right and the other thing is, we have additional people built into every shift and.

E

We're going to have scheduled leave, so we have the ability to manage this over time. Initially.

E

Will probably be limited to a late call, there's not going to be wholesale overtime available for.

E

People working shift work by the time we get to year four and we're up to 250 people, and we allow.

E

Four people off per shift out of probably about 54 to 56 people per shift. Anything beyond that.

E

Will be overtime because our staffing is at the bottom line, we're minimal staffing, so one person.

E

Not coming in because they're sick has an impact, but we will have when this is all fully vetted.

E

We'll have six people on a shift to oversight to offset that. So until those six people are utilized.

E

Each day, we're not in an overtime situation, so I agree, and that makes my argument well.

B

I would say: let's hear what public comment is: yeah, it's going to be open for 10 days after that. We're.

B

Not making a decision on this today, but I would like to see some information on what other the.

B

Fire companies around us what their overtime costs are be doing it the way that they're doing it.

B

That's what I'd like to say, okay, going back to um director slash chief titles, do mean.

A

Something what's that? Okay, I'm sorry what I said go back there again, I'm just kidding.

A

um I'm not sure why we would be calling you chief, um as opposed to just mr the you know,.

A

And what what's getting me is the administrative control and the operational control. You have the.

A

Administrative control of running the fire ems department or directorate for carroll county.

A

um You have the skill set. You know if first on scene to do the things you need to do, but.

A

Are there going to be there'll be chiefs at each station? I would imagine right. There are.

A

um I just I don't know I I almost take it to again: it's the military in me. You know.

E

This is this is connected to. We have just made an operational chain of command. That's.

E

Been signed off by the volunteers and in that operational chain of command it puts the director.

E

Operationally at the top of the so you will so you will have operational absolutely. I do now.

E

So it relies on the everyday calls to a volunteer corporate officer, but because of carroll county.

E

As a governmental function now has fire and ems protection, so should we have a catastrophic event.

E

Operationally, okay, I have the ability to come in and assume command of the incident, so you.

A

Have both administrative and operational okay got it that's different than where I was going.

A

So got it okay, I can. uh I can live with that. That makes that makes perfect sense. Thanks.

A

It public comment, are you? Are you done yeah all right? Thank you. I want to go back to you.

D

The overtime article subsection one- it says the overtime is based on a 28-day cycle. Yes,.

D

Yes, we pay on a 14 days like we don't that won't create a problem. Yes, well, we we looked.

E

And we've met with um the comptroller's office and the payroll, and we looked at a 14-day cycle.

E

Which the sheriff uses, which takes it from 212 to 106., so the outcomes are essentially.

E

The same so we won't have no difficulty with the payroll overdue. That was my only concern. Thank.

E

You and actually the vti system is very robust. It's actually has elements in there that are.

E

Designed around a shift schedule as we're going to be using and thanks for pointing out about.

D

The sheriff department, because I was wondering if we all should be on the same page with that.

D

Thank you, okay, any other questions. I had one question. I should have asked you yesterday. I.

F

Forgot 207k: that's a reference to the fair labor standards act. Yes, all right! Thank you.

F

We probably should brush that out a little bit when we, when we finalize this. Thank you.

A

So do we have any public comment? Yes, yes, okay. uh The first card I have is mr rick baker.

F

Thank you. We ask that you uh please limit your comments to three minutes. If possible will do tim.

G

uh My name is rick baker and I'm chairman of the emergency services advisory council.

G

Esec had the opportunity to review chapter 37, and I want to provide the following comments.

G

Going through the review process provided another example of the importance of esac.

G

As we continue to develop and implement the department of fire and ems for the county,.

G

Esac worked with county government to include the wording and recognized esak as a participant and.

G

His function in chapter 37., the second comment is a potential recruitment and retention concern that.

G

Esak discussed at our september meeting employees that are classified as two 207k employees will.

G

Not be compensated for overtime for the first 44 hours worked after their 42-hour work week.

G

Esac understands that this is within the law for this classification of employees. However, we want.

G

To address this as a potential issue since other neighboring county fire departments do.

G

Not use this practice, we could in a future train new employees and lose them to other.

G

Counties now I'm not talking about in the near term, but I'm looking for future down four and.

G

Five years down to ryan, when we start having our own academy classes and things like that,.

G

Thank you for your time to provide comments and esac looks forward to continuing our advising and teaming efforts and a joint meeting on october 11th. Thank you.

K

I'm sorry uh I forgot, I had the cards. Forgive me, verna carolynco she's waiting for you to use your.

F

Three minutes we were shocked: okay, appreciate it good morning, good morning, commissioners, my.

L

Name is verna karolenko I've been a resident of excuse me, carroll county for 37 years.

L

I'm here this morning to comment on proposed amendments to chapter 37.

L

Which establishes a county-wide fire ems system for carroll, county.

L

First, as a citizen and mother of two first responders, it is appalling to me that the.

L

Proposed death benefit for a fire or ems responder killed in the line of duty is a one-time payment.

L

Of one month's salary in dollars, this would equate roughly forty eight hundred to fifty five hundred.

L

Dollars the irs classifies a fifty thousand dollar death benefit to employees. A de minimis benefit.

L

Meaning it is so insignificant that it does not trigger taxable compensation.

L

I also strongly disagree with the 12-month waiting period for new hires, during which.

L

This benefit would not be available. Secondly, applying overtime standards that deny overtime.

L

Premiums for excessive work hours violates the intention of the fair labor standards act when the.

L

Flsa was enacted in 1938, would it was to protect employees from exploitation? This is an issue of.

L

Ethics, not just because not just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

L

It carol carroll, county's, fire and ems employees should have overtime, pay standards similar to the.

L

Sheriff's department, other carroll, county employees and neighboring county systems.

L

Third, I surveyed households in finksburg and overwhelmingly residents agreed that they are.

L

Willing to pay additional real estate taxes to fund the carroll county, fire and ems department.

L

Only one person objected to an increase in real estate tax. She thought it should be an income tax.

L

Finally, the commissioners have been debating and delaying the implementation of the carroll county.

L

Fire and ems system for years from the time of the initial projected start date of july, 1st 2021.

L

Until now, you have cost this county, many highly qualified, responders lost to other departments. You.

L

Are at risk of losing more unless you act on this program immediately. Thank you. Thank you. Ryan dyson.

M

Good morning, mr commissioners, I just wanted to say that we really need to move forward with this.

M

um With the what you've heard about the death benefits in the 207k exemptions,.

M

Just put it in perspective, you're supposed to get off at 7 00 a.m. You get held over on a shift that.

M

You're not scheduled to work, and you have to cancel plans with your family and everything.

M

You're not getting any extra compensation other than your normal salary. You don't get that time.

M

And a half benefit that you would be in other ways, but less trained people who are ems only.

M

Would get that time in half if they work over 40 hours? I just don't see that fairness there. The.

M

Sheriff's office, if they work over their scheduled shifts, they make time and a half thank you frame.

N

You got mom involved, so this shouldn't be as bad. Hopefully. So. Excuse me one second.

N

My name is michael carolenko, I'm a county resident, a homeowner, a taxpayer, a career member of the fire.

N

And ems system in carroll, county and president of the carroll county, professional, firefighters and.

N

Paramedics, I just want to briefly say before I get back into this and I'd: ask your your leniency. Real.

N

Quick, uh so as far as the overtime goes, the four four million dollars was done by taking 44 hours.

N

Times, 400 and 240 employees and then timesing that by our overtime rate, that in that four million.

N

Dollars would say that our overtime budget as a whole being that additional halftime liability.

N

Would be 12 million dollars? It's not realistic, and it's not what our overtime budget is going to be.

N

When you actually take the maximum amount of time that an employee can take off in the course of a.

N

Year times the difference on their overtime rate, it actually comes out to and then also realizing.

N

We have floaters built into the system and we already have budgeted overtime money built into.

N

What you've already assigned to us in the third year, the maximum impact that it would have on our.

N

System is 300 and ninety thousand dollars. That's saying everybody took every bit of time. They have.

N

So you know how many times we sat up here in the last months and you've approved something.

N

For four hundred thousand dollars I mean this isn't far less, maybe significant in my.

N

Mind than staffing fire apparatus when people need it, so I appreciate your latitude just me.

N

Getting through this, I'm sorry, if I go over by a little bit the vast majority of the amendments of.

N

Chapter 37 take the heat of the lessons learned by the departments: who've transitioned before.

N

Us they take the successes and best practices of those departments and combine them to build out a.

N

Competitive department of our own, these amendments establish fair practices from much needed time off.

N

Transfers promotions, professional development and address potentially unfair scenarios.

N

Chapter 37 has done more than a fair job, ensuring those things are present. Although many of these.

N

Practices are far into typical county employment in carroll county. We stand in support of that.

N

Our departmental leader will be given the respect and legitimacy of the title of chief.

N

This is common practice among every fart county fire department in the surrounding area.

N

Just as the volunteers are led by their company chiefs, we look forward to the.

N

Simple and straightforward recognition of the departmental chief that we will work for.

N

We urge the commissioners to reevaluate the practice proposed to exploit the flsa.

N

207K overtime, exemptions and it is as it is written we will have to work 44 additional.

N

Hours in a 28-day cycle before receiving time and a half compensation, no other.

N

County employee is treated this way, not even the sheriff's deputies, who also fall under the 207k.

N

Other jurisdictions have had to correct this error after great injury to morale, operational.

N

Readiness, staffing and employee retention, why repeat the lessons they already learned.

N

Coming home from my shift yesterday, while speaking to a friend and colleague, I contemplated.

N

The gut-wrenching thought that, due to my job, I may not be able to make this ride home one day.

N

Chapter 37 currently says that my family would receive just one month worth of pay. If I was.

N

Killed in the line of duty, if the answer is that's county practice, how could this considered be even.

N

Considered morally adequate to take care of my family if, in the process of serving these.

N

Communities, I was no longer present to do so. This is not a scenario workers comp time off.

N

Or an early retirement, this is me dying and trisha, colby, ben and lucy attempting to survive and not.

N

Lose our home, our house in the process. Ultimately, we do stand in support of the commissioners.

N

Expeditiously adopting these amendments in chapter 37., obviously, with the concerns at hand.

N

We stand in support of fair moral and ethical treatment of those who will serve the department.

N

And we are ready to see this transition before as quickly as responsibly possible. Thank you.

K

Next card I have is.

A

Last but definitely not least, good morning um I stood in this building january of 1979.

O

At a public hearing conducted by delicate harkenhorn, delicate back.

O

And state senator charles smeltzer.

O

And the issue was fire and ems.

O

And here it is today.

O

We're still kicking this can down the road.

O

O

Most of what chief robinson and esac has put together.

O

I've got some concerns.

O

But it's time that we move forward.

O

I got to give you folks credit you've done something that a lot of your predecessors hasn't done.

O

I was fortunate when I moved to carroll county.

O

To get picked up by neighboring jurisdiction that neighboring jurisdiction this past year.

O

Celebrated their 50th anniversary as a combination department and today, the citizens of howard, county.

O

Are being protected not only by their volunteers, but a staffing of four people on all engines.

O

Medic and an emt on amblances and aerial devices, with four people.

O

It's time for carroll county to move forward. Thank you for your time. Okay. Thank you, sir.

A

Anyone else that's all I had, I don't know chris. Is there anyone on the phone.

P

No one on the line, sir. Okay, I'd like to ask the question: please what is.

B

The death benefit for a sheriff's deputy to get killed in line of duty.

B

Can we have get that information? We don't, if you don't, have it now just like to have.

A

It we can find out yeah I'd like to have that and- and it's just a comment as well.

B

I think we're moving as quickly for it with this as we as we can, we want to make sure everything.

B

Is done properly before the documentation is signed before it goes forward? I don't want to.

B

Just throw something together put it out, there has to be changing change, it might seem like.

B

It's taken a while, but I think we're doing it the right way and we are moving, at least in my opinion,.

B

From sitting up here as quickly as we can to get this done, we really are I. It might not seem that.

B

Way from the outside, but we are moving quick and I just appreciate your indulgence in that. That's.

A

All I have no, I just came about to say the same thing uh with esac with the community with mike.

A

You coming on board getting the right leadership uh into our team. uh I think it's been critical.

A

um And uh yeah, I I'm very proud, I'm very, very proud of the comments made some.

A

More difficult than others to you know to look at, but we need to address them all.

A

Sometimes the answer is no, but you can only get to know if you put everything on the table and.

A

Willing to put it on the table and that's what I appreciate with the communities, get it on the.

A

Table have the discussion and either come up with a a understanding and a yes or an understanding.

A

And a no or a we will continue to wait and see. um So no, I definitely appreciate these comments.

A

Are there any other? Just comments were greatly appreciated. I did realize we had a couple glitches.

C

There I wasn't totally aware of but now's the time to air them and in your comments, yes, we are moving.

C

Ahead, I know it's slow. Commissioner fraser, I hate to say is right, but we are trying to do.

C

It correctly we're trying to get through this, and I guarantee this should be happening very shortly.

D

Yes, thank you yeah. I appreciate everyone's patience. You know, if you don't do something.

D

Right, it's important to take the time, and even as we go into this, we'll find these little glitches.

D

Taking place, two things that are of concern to me is the overtime issue. The cycle doesn't match.

D

Up with the sheriff's department, I find that a little bit disturbing another thing that I find.

D

Extremely disturbing is the death benefit. I would like to see the next board look deeper into this.

D

About possibly doing some self-insurance program where members of ems could actually contribute to.

D

It we do self-insure for our health insurance and, I think, there's a model and a template out there.

D

That, hopefully, the next board could look into us further, since we're come to an air term, maybe set.

D

Up some potential seed money in a fund, I'd like to see it, someone at least received a full year.

D

Salary to their spouse survivor, something of that nature I'll, take some research, but that that is.

D

Critical mr corlenko made a very good point about they're going out there risking their lives every.

D

Day every day you step out there on a call. You have no idea where they're going to come back.

D

And that your family needs a reassurance that there's more than just a month's salary coming.

D

To them if their spouse is lost, so I hope that we can plant the seed as we go through this.

D

For the next board to evaluate and review it and make some adjustments, I want you to.

D

Know that we are paying attention to these issues and we have listened so thank you.

B

I I do appreciate your comments, commissioner, but I would like this board to get this done. I would.

B

Like to have this done before I'm out of office here, and I think everybody out there would like.

B

To see it done as quickly as possible, I don't and I'm not saying hold it up. No, I I just I view it.

D

In the future, if they can review yeah, I don't they can review it. But let's get this done before this.

B

Board is out of office. Hopefully I won't even put a timeline on it, but hopefully soon I just.

B

Say that yeah hope is not a course of action. Let's get it done, and you said next board at least three.

A

Times- and this is not for the next board, this is for us to continue exactly what you said. Mr beer.

A

You know, let's keep the momentum going. Eastac has done a great job getting us to where we want to go.

A

You have led a really good job and we should not be holding this up for other five guys to make.

A

Another decision to push it down further now this needs to be done, and uh so what I want to do is.

A

You know close this, keep close. This keep the record open for 10 days at this time,.

A

That's my motion. Second, I got a motion. I got a couple of seconds. Is there further discussion.

D

Yes, I want to clarify that I in no way was trying to deglate delay this action. I just.

D

Want to make sure that the next board keeps an eye on this and rectifies any glitches.

D

That do potentially come up. Thank you, okay, all in favor all right! Thank you. Thank you.

A

Text amendment to the employment campus district to allow solar energy conversion facilities.

A

I take him miss linda's, somewhere room here. I know linda just push right through him. You can knock it over yeah.

A

Again shanatufa, hopefully you had an easy fast. It was meaningful. Okay,.

Q

Good morning, so we are here before you to request a public hearing.

Q

For um the employment campus district, it's wrong presentation. I apologize again.

Q

We came before you back over the summer to explore the possibility of allowing solar energy.

Q

Conversion facilities on land zone for employment campus. The purpose of this is for expanding.

Q

The county's solar energy portfolio on suitable land- currently, this is not a primary use, allowed.

Q

Unemployment campus zone land for the proposal before you would be for a conditional use approval.

Q

With various size limitations which we've outlined in the text on these lands, this amendment request.

Q

Was forwarded to the planning commission and they reviewed these proposed changes after august 16th.

Q

And september 20th meeting and they forwarded it back to you all with the favorable recommendation.

Q

And today we're asked to go to public hearing and tentatively scheduled for november 3rd, so.

Q

What was sent to planning commission? They reviewed over the course of these two meetings and again.

Q

It's for the allowance of of ground mounted solar energy conversion as a standalone, separate type.

Q

Of use not roof, mounted or part of a parking structure. That's already currently allowed.

Q

So the proposal is for ground mount, which is the additional added language on the underlined, as.

Q

You can see here on the slide separate from the development plan pending a conditional.

Q

Use approval we worked with public works, scott groth and jason green. They are the ones that are.

Q

Working with the solar companies to move these projects forward and the ground-mounted solar.

Q

Field, so the actual energy conversion portion would be no more than 25 acres in size planning.

Q

Commission and the public works team felt it was important to not have these go beyond. That's not.

Q

Necessary in size and not to exceed 50 percent of the total gross acreage of the land itself or.

Q

Whatever is lesser so again, 25 would be the max, but looking if they're smaller lands, it.

Q

Still, wouldn't be engulfing more than half the property itself currently, roof mounted solar.

Q

Energy is allowed and may be approved as part of the development plan subject to the requirements.

Q

Of 158 or amounts on a canopy of the parking area and that's already currently allowed, but this is.

Q

The section that this would be inserted, oh for a second on your yeah, go ahead. Your statement here.

B

If it says graham out, the solar field may be no more than 25 acres in size not to exceed.

B

50 in total grossake, you don't need to say, or whatever is less because it already tells you.

B

Exactly how much you can have that just doesn't seem that that whatever's less or doesn't seem.

B

To make sense to me, it's either 25 acres up to 50 percent. That's what that says to me.

B

Can't be more than 25 acres can't be more than 50 it's already. There.

B

It's just that, uh whatever is lesser just, doesn't make sense. My questions.

A

A little bit more, I I understand where you're going, but I think it's a little bit.

A

More narrow is why I say: 25 acres and not just uh no more than 50 percent, because if we're.

A

Looking at a very large employment campus, um you know I understand we don't want it to be so, but.

A

I I just I'm not sure why we're restricting one one way or the other we either say 25.

A

No more and 25 acres, you know or the to 50 percent yeah. I think the key point is the the.

P

um Use of the property is for employment campus, so we didn't want to take away.

P

From that and have have a 200 acre, employment campus become a solar, a.

P

Large-Scale solar facility, so we want to still it'd only be 100 acre solar facility.

A

It's a solar field. Well, I think again, the main goal is to keep it in as much of it. Employment.

P

Campus as possible, so if you have a 400, acre property and 200 acres, is employment campus and.

P

200 acres is solar, you're, taking away from that other a potentially available property to use.

P

For employment campus okay, so I can buy all that. Then why make this conditional and not permissible.

A

If we go with with this type of language, which is very additional guard rails, so.

Q

That conditional use approval has to go to the board of zoning appeals um again for just that.

Q

Another eye and to have the public aware that this is different than what the primary principle uses.

C

Can this be combination, rooftop and ground mount? This is just specifically for the.

Q

Provisions you have the ground mounted as a separate standalone use. It does not have to.

Q

Be part of any built structures on the employment campus and how many employment campuses do we have.

C

Could be out there right now, currently zoned in the county.

Q

We only have one, that's actually I'm going to take that back. We have two.

Q

West of the landfill and then the other um is a property known as the delaney property, which.

Q

Is north of century and linton springs and that's just like a little over 100 acres. I.

C

Didn't think we have much for no, we don't have much of this type of land and that does limit.

C

You know we do need employment campus. I do like the idea of employment campuses if they can use.

C

This in a combination of like rooftop and uh and and solar canopy on parking as well. This.

Q

Was just another way to really for the employment campus eke out land that wasn't 100 usable for the.

Q

Built structures of the employment campus to have a full, more full utilization of the land.

Q

Itself, so what I recommend that they go into, uh you know rooftop a lot of this into rooftop and.

C

um Parking lot they so choose if the developer so chooses to do that. So why not put.

A

um Boundaries on eking out space, why not say that it is permissible on space within.

A

The employment campus, you know defined space, that's not um eligible or capable buildable.

A

For whatever I I just- and you know this- I don't like conditional- I I just I you know we're going.

A

Through two conditional issues right now down in um in eldersburg, and it's very concerning because.

A

Planning, commission will say one thing: it goes to bza and it's becoming this very.

A

Rather, it either be not allowed or allowed or if it is allowed or if it is conditional like.

A

In this way, what can be defined within the property that, if it's not able to be used.

A

For you know commercial industrial use. Why not just allow solar? I don't know. I like the.

B

Idea of just making allowable art a primary use instead of conditioner. I do like that idea, but I.

B

Don't like the idea of saying can only be put on property that can't be built upon. No, I don't like.

B

That idea at all, if you're gonna, if you make it uh primary use, I'm good with that not to exceed to 25.

B

Acres or 50, that's all good. I like that quest to go to public hearing so yeah. I know I know.

B

I just want to make sure we wouldn't be changing the legislations out there, so what we would do is.

Q

Which I don't know, if that's necessarily what you would okay unconditional use that keeps it.

C

Is employment camps? Is it primary? That's what it's intended for and you can, if you, each one's.

C

Different, then you go to the conditional use because of environmental issues or whatever.

C

That we can't build on this, but we can put solar power right. Well, let's send it to public hearing.

B

See what the comments are and then we can talk about it after we hear it again. I agree, but it.

A

Is good to have the conversation yeah for the community is know what we're thinking I just.

A

um Right, I I'm taking every um you know, uh comment that's provided to me on those two.

A

Properties down in eldersburg uh very seriously about it going from.

A

Planning to busy- and we know this and it becomes very contentious when things are.

A

Conditional in the sense that it's either recommended not recommended and then goes.

A

To bca so just to be clear that on that case, that was not based on a conditional use. Approval at all.

Q

The one that was it was based on not to get in and speaking about that case, okay, but it was.

Q

Not based on a conditional use just so you know it was based on not having an available. You know.

Q

I don't want to get into okay, okay, to be clear, it was not a conditional use issue and planning.

K

Admission doesn't see conditionally, yes, only the board is okay, so I know I know what you're.

A

Saying, okay got it so, but this is going to. We can close this and keep it open for 10 days to go to.

Q

Public hearing on this, on the other part that would need to also have public hearing in the.

K

Brain yeah after two sorry, these are requests republicans, okay. The second part would then to.

Q

um To update us, so what 158 153? What is the solar energy generating system um and to allow um to.

Q

Allow them as a conditional use in the employment campus district and to have a size limitation.

Q

Again on them that just reaffirms in the specific section as well. So again, the request is to go to.

Q

Public hearing we're looking at november 3rd for adoption of adoption. I'm sorry discussion.

Q

Decision on november 17th and then the new code changes would take effect 10 days after that.

B

Okay, I'll make the most of the board of commissioners. Yeah move this to public hearing.

B

On a proposed tax amendment for the ec district, it's recommended by a planning zoning commission.

B

Second, okay, okay, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion sitting here. None all in favor.

A

Aye, okay, thanks and apologize for that confusion um in that kind of morning. That's.

A

All good, so are we talking text, amendment yep, so one more text amendment I want to c3.

Q

uh So the text amendment um the next text, amendment for your consideration to go to.

Q

Public hearing is amendments to the I-1 district and the c3 district, and there are multiple.

Q

Requests to this amendment that were brought forward- this was referred uh by referred to.

Q

The planning commission by this body on august 4th they discussed this at their august and.

Q

September planning, commission meetings and they referred back to you, a favorable recommendation.

Q

On september 20 at their september 20th meeting, so it's a very um lengthy text amendment to two.

Q

Districts, that's fairly nuanced. The first is specifically for the business industrial park.

Q

These changes again, as you all know, this is how you sent it to planning commission was for.

Q

Business industrial park only in the I-1 district and there's only one area in the county that falls.

Q

Under the business industrial park, those had to be developed as of april 1 of 2019, and we.

Q

Only had one at the time, so so keeping that moving. It was grandfathered in that particular property.

Q

So the request specifically pertains to this part of the code and the request is to add a.

Q

Business industrial park definition- that was not done because we were moving away.

Q

From those, so more of a cleanup is to go back and just add that definition, the change from.

Q

What's currently allowed to what the request is for a new allowance is to add self storage.

Q

Facilities to the business industrial park and then to modify the parking requirements for self.

Q

Storage in the park and modify sign requirements and I'll go over. I have the legislation too.

Q

um The next for the business park and the business industrial park, so business park.

Q

Is found in the commercial high district and then the business industrial park is only found in the.

Q

I-1 district is allow the yards on both sides of an interior lot line may be zero and the planning.

Q

Commission may reduce other yard requirements and then, where this zero yard is proposed, internal.

Q

To the structure, setbacks, buffers or landscape screening requirements shall not be applicable.

Q

So again, that's internal to the park itself, not to the buffer requirements that are required.

Q

And that would be new. The next um within the industrial park, which is currently in the I-1.

Q

District would be to increase the retail size allowance. Currently, it's 10 000 square feet for.

Q

Retail in that park to move it to 25 000 square feet, then to allow medical and dental without.

Q

Limitate limitations so currently within the industrial park, those uses have a percentage.

Q

Limitation on the entire park, so the request is to allow without those limitations, so they would.

Q

Not there's part of the equation of the commercial versus industrial balance in that industrial park.

Q

um Again, to allow these parks to be subdivided, this was a concern of mainly to do with how these.

Q

Types of parts of finance, especially they can finance and smaller sections, as opposed to one.

Q

Big financing um and then to modify parking regulations um to actually create standards.

Q

We don't have park game regulation standards currently for these industrial parks, specifically.

Q

um We did see one come through last at our last planning commission meeting that had to because.

Q

There is no formula standard how to take each different use and apply the parking standard.

Q

That's a that is required for each use and come up with this mathematical formula. Essentially.

Q

To figure out what the general parking standards would be, so that makes it a little more complex.

Q

Than it needs to be yeah, why why do we have limitations on dental and medical facilities.

Q

The parks were that the industrial park would allow some flexibility to have more commercial.

Q

Type uses, but we did not want those parks to become all commercial because the idea is to.

Q

Keep them more industrial and the commercial is supposed to be more supportive of the industrial.

Q

Uses, so that's why those limitations were set when you all reviewed and adopted those.

Q

Changes to the I-1 district in 2020. it and again the same for the commercial park. So the.

Q

Commercial parks allow for some industrial, but did not have so much that it would.

Q

Change it from that commercial nature, tone more industrial nature.

B

Okay, you get all we're doing, is moving this to public hearing you're only moving.

Q

I could talk about a couple things that I'm like in here on november 3rd again,.

Q

On the 17th, um these code changes are on our website under the department of planning.

Q

um And so at carol, rezoning.org.

D

If I may ask miss eisenberg these 2.3 parking spaces per thousand in industrial and a 3.5.

D

Parking spaces per thousand in business park is that an industrial standard? Where did his numbers.

D

Come from what generates them, um those were just suggested by the applicant, and we were looking.

Q

At their expertise in this field of what um you know, they've they've seen in their parks not only.

Q

In this county, but in other jurisdictions is one they thought were good standards to move forward.

Q

Plantings intend for the future work program is to actually do a more in-depth study on parking.

Q

Requirements county-wide: we just have not had the opportunity to do that with these code revisions.

D

I said I'll dig into it further correct. We will be definitely looking into it further.

Q

So again, these can be found on our calorie zoning.org.

Q

As far as the links to the proposals and everything is outlined here, the.

Q

Highlighted is the new proposal um and underlined is new language.

Q

So again, the request is just to move to public hearing, and this would be what the public hearing.

Q

Would be based on and then after that you have the ability to make changes to the code as you.

Q

See based on of a comment and other issues you want to bring forward. I just want to um playing.

A

Commission in discussion, correct, we'll come up here. Was it just one work session or was it yeah.

Q

Two work sessions with a planning commission fairly in depth. Yes, it looks it that's why.

A

I'm saying it looks, it looks good, there's a lot of good information in there. Food recommended changes.

A

Making the most and most efficient use out of the space that is, uh you know.

A

That's being considered because there's only one, so we know it just for that, one more broadly to.

Q

The industrial district and the clear on that so that just that one provision, okay, good.

B

Make the motion board of commissioners received a public hearing on a proposed text? Amendments to.

B

The eye one in c3 districts, that's recommended by a planning zoning commission I'll. Second, it.

A

Okay got a couple seconds in discussion on favor aye aye. Thank you. Thank you very much.

A

Okay, let's talk about renewing microsoft 365 in exchange subscriptions, I'm against it.

A

Hey chris there's still nobody on the phone right.

R

That is correct, no one's on the line. Okay, thank you.

A

Okay morning, commissioners.

R

Good morning, hey the office of procurement in cooperation with technology services, request.

R

Your approval to award the renewal of the microsoft 365 and exchange subscriptions.

R

To shi international in the amount of 206 878.56, this purchase being made through a maryland state.

R

Contract the purchase amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

S

All right read this: in october, 2018 the county began implementing the.

S

Transition from microsoft, email server and microsoft, office 2010, which was reaching end.

S

Of support life to a cloud-based subscription service having this.

S

Service ensures that all users have the most current version of the software to.

S

Protect against cyber security attacks and provide access to the most current features.

B

Well, I'll make the motion the board of commissioners approved the renewal of.

B

Microsoft, office 365 and exchange descriptions to shi international the amount of 206 878.56.

B

Second found motion: I got a second just again, a reminder continue into.

A

The community these seem like very large amounts. They are budgeted and they're gone.

A

Through the budget process- and we are at this time executing what we have.

A

Budgeted and put into allocations. This is not just hey: let's buy a new thing.

A

Because sometimes people think oh here's this and here's it. No. These are budget and I appreciate.

A

um So that line saying the purchase amount is within that budget and no additional funds will be.

A

Necessary is something that we appear like to see all the time. So I appreciate that. Okay with that.

A

Said all in favor aye: let's talk about judicial dialogue, software maintenance and support renewal.

R

The office of procurement and cooperation with technology services request your.

R

Approval toward the renewal of the judicial dialogue, software maintenance and supports.

R

To judicial dialogue systems in the amount of 29 457 97 cents, this amount.

R

Is approved from the fy 23 budget and no additional funds should be required.

S

The judicial dialogue system was purchased in fy16 for 220 830, replacing an end-of-life case.

S

File system for the state's attorney's office, the judicial dialogue system accommodates the.

S

District court and juvenile courts and allows interoperable data exchange with.

S

Maryland, electronics, court system, so it's this is the maryland standard. It's what you're saying.

A

This is the standard equipment that can be shared across jurisdictions and the state okay, good.

C

I'll move the board of commissioners renew the judicial dialogue, software maintenance, support.

C

To judicial dialogue systems and they bound not to exceed 29 459.97 67 dollars.

A

What's that fifty seven dollars we're gonna, say 415 there you go so happy. Okay, just you gave them.

B

Two extra dollars here- I don't want to do that blow the budget discussions in here all in favor.

A

Aye mark shouldn't be so loud: okay, okay, have a good day. Commissioners thank.

C

You thank you very much. Let's talk about pipelining on georgetown boulevard, oh fun,.

R

T

Warning commissioners, good morning.

A

Good morning, the office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of rhodes, operation.

R

Request your approval to use an existing term contract with pleasants construction to put in a.

R

Full circumference lining on a pipe on georgetown boulevard and lee lane in the amount of 187 936.71.

R

Amount is within the approved budget, and no additional fund should be necessary.

T

Okay, so uh we had sent a couple pictures up. I don't know if chris can bring those up for us, but.

T

We evaluated the storm drain pipes on georgetown boulevard at the intersection of lee lane.

T

uh The first pipe here is three feet in diameter: 36 inch by 397 feet long has multiple areas again.

T

Where the bottom of the pipe has rusted out, we've shown some of these to you all before.

T

It's created large areas of erosion and we're starting to notice some dipping in the road.

T

Area above unfortunately, as our infrastructure gets older around the county, this continues to.

T

Happen but we are lucky to have the ability to go in and do this type of a process without having.

T

To tear up the entire road so uh because of the length of this pipe and the project itself is.

T

Very labor intensive. We need to clean that out manually and these voids in the ground.

T

Will be filled then, with concrete prior to the lining being installed and they'll also remove.

T

About 20 feet of the pipe because one section has dropped almost 10 inches and insert a new.

T

Section to allow for a smooth and finished product once we're done. The total cost is.

T

With said, is 187 936.71 and jim has site specific information. If you all have any other questions.

B

Yeah go ahead, I uh so it's south of 26. I was just looking at where lee lane crossed.

A

Georgetown, yes, I'm very familiar with georgetown. um Are you going to be shutting down that corner.

U

It'd be that that d cell lane right there at the intersection? Yes georgetown, yes, okay, yes,.

U

Which might impact the other lane coming up towards towards lord's lane? Also, so, just at that.

U

Intersection, of course, lawyers going northbound. So um how long is this going to take that that.

U

Could should only take it well, it's going to take a couple days just for the excavation of it, but.

U

Then once that's done, the lining should only do it. It should only take less than a day. Okay,.

U

Okay, so I would have to I'd venture to say at least three days: yeah.

T

And it will remain open the entire time we'll just have a traffic control around here. Flagger.

A

Force or something yeah, okay, thanks wow, I just have a quick question: why does this.

B

Say full circumference lining, don't we do a full circumference line every time we line.

B

The pipes, no, we don't depends on. It depends on the the condition and the structure of the pipe.

T

Because, obviously the we don't do it when it's not necessary, it's more expensive. uh But if the.

T

Pipe itself has become structurally deficient, all the way around and in this case, voids underneath.

T

Then we need to rebuild that structure if we have still structure existing and in which we do have.

T

In a lot of our pipes where the top portion has not rusted out, then it's almost like 50 percent.

T

Of the pipe is done where we'll come up and meet it on the sides that keeps the structure intact.

T

And takes care of any voids that would have occurred underneath. Yes, I think this is the.

B

First, full circumference relining. This this process is a full circumference line because.

U

It's that's the only way you can do it with the cure in place. Lining right, yeah, the other one.

U

With the pro shot, is the con concrete? That's a different process. Okay, good question. Thank you.

B

I'll make the motion board of commissioners approved to put in the full circumference.

B

Lining on a pipe on georgetown boulevard boulevard in the amount of 187 936.71 cents got a motion.

A

Guys, second, I never get a good question from mr brown, but that's okay, all in favor aye. Okay, thank.

A

You thank you, commissioner. Thank you have a great day. You should just have to work harder. huh Oh my.

B

That picture of maureen come on up here and uh save me a little bit relocate metal branch, road.

A

V

Good morning, sir good morning, commissioners, good morning.

V

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the carroll county, regional airport,.

V

Request your approval to award a contract for the relocation of meadow branch road to.

V

Allen myers md incorporated in the amount of two million five hundred and forty thousand dollars.

V

The office of procurement, in conjunction with delta airport consultants, advertised.

V

For bids and received four responses, as you can see, the list below on your briefing paper.

V

um So if you have any questions about the projects itself, I will turn it over to mark.

B

This mean I have to update my gps just kidding.

A

So uh big difference between uh cj miller and alvin myers. Yes, sir million bucks. Yes, sir.

A

Wow and cj's right next door. I know the project he's literally right there, sir.

A

Well, but also probably busy man, so you know you can only take what you can do so. Okay, I'll make.

B

The most of the board of commissioners awarded contract for relocation of meadow branch, road to.

B

Alan myers maryland incorporated in the amount of 2 million five hundred forty five thousand.

B

Dollars do we own that road, where the property, where it's going to be relocated to yes, sir we've.

W

We've acquired all the property. We need to move the road- yes, sir amusements in that case. Second, no.

A

No, he did. Okay did you? Second, it eric okay. Yes, yes, sir okay got a motion, a second all in favor, aye,.

A

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Commissioners. Security services for charles carroll, community center.

X

Good morning, commissioners, we're here today to request your approval.

X

For the security service for the charles carroll community center we're requesting.

X

The award go to marathon technology solutions who.

X

Is currently one of our existing term contractors in the amount of 53 155.56.

X

This amount is within the proposed budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

A

This is not a change order. This is a no sir ongoing development.

A

Okay, um no additional promise yeah, no additional what what other activities can be taken after.

A

This now so we got, you know the work, that's being done now we got the security or what.

A

Other expectations for charles carroll should we have, as far as additional costs.

W

We're currently working on change order, analysis for future potential change, orders right now. We.

W

Are well within the budget for the project, but we're still a few months out to completion so.

W

We just want to make sure that we don't have any unanticipated costs, above and beyond our.

W

Budget, which I absolutely appreciate but saying change, order analysis to look at.

A

Change orders kind of scare me, though, so it's maybe my terminology of how I how I put that.

W

um But yeah we're just recently going through an analysis of where we are where we expect. We.

W

May be right uh over the next four to five months: okay, great for all our landscaping.

D

Expenditures covered in the budget as well all right! Yes, what is the life safety network panel.

B

Just quick I mean I just I haven't heard of that before.

B

I know about cameras and card readers and door contacts, but it's part of the fire alarm system.

W

That is integral to the overall alarm system for the building. Okay,.

B

That makes sense, then, okay, cool yeah, all this was coordinated with it. um We thought that 16 was.

Y

Going to be here today to help with any you know, questions that maybe was in his uh his purview.

Y

There, but uh but yeah, no perfect you're all doing great. Thank you, though. Thank you, sir. I make the.

B

Motion the board of commissioners awarded contract for security systems of the charles carroll.

B

Community center to marathon technology solutions in the amount of 53 155.56 sec say that number one.

A

More time, fifty three thousand one hundred fifty five dollars and fifty six cents. Okay, second,.

B

Why did I in favor aye aye? Is it 105 dollars? I think we all do it yeah I'll. Do it every now and.

D

Then okay, keep up. Let's stay on uh charles carroll was with skyline solutions, request.

X

Is being made to award a contract to skyline solutions, the amount of 59 286.36.

X

Skyline is one of our existing term contractors. This contract.

X

Will include the hardware for five five years of licensing and labor to install.

X

And configure network switches and routers, as well as wireless access points, this amount is.

X

Also, within the proposed budget, no additional funds will be necessary.

Y

They both kind of work together each other. So if marathon steps in and skyline steps in and.

Y

Does the wireless signal where they're going to be pinging off the signal off of the tower over.

Y

To sports complex right by john owings road, so I'll move the board of commissioners award the.

C

Contract for the connection services to skyline solutions in the amount of fifty nine thousand.

C

Two hundred eighty six dollars and 36 cents, second very well, have to repeat it any discussion sitting.

A

Here, none all in favor, aye. Okay, thank you, commissioners. Thank you. Thank you. Chris is.

A

There anyone on the line, no one on the line. Okay, do we have anybody for public comments.

A

Do me a favor um just there's orange cards that I'd like to.

Z

Give to you, okay yeah, I know but there's orange cars back there.

Z

I think throw it out afterwards sure no problem, just uh just so. The gentleman that you gave the.

Z

Proclamation to he left it here sitting on the chair, I think it's kind of important so.

Z

I think you might want to pick that up, I'm sorry. What proclamation proclamation is the.

Z

Gentleman left it here: okay, okay, yeah! Thanks thanks cool; yes, he didn't really want it.

B

D

Thank you good, seeing you.

Z

My name is bill, mccormick, I'm a carroll county resident. I live at 5685 rhonda road in eldersburg.

Z

I am here today to speak about a planned commercial center development that the board of.

Z

Zoning appeals recently approved on liberty, road in eldersburg. The property was rezoned in 2019.

Z

To commercial medium, which allows for a planned commercial center as a principal permitted use.

Z

The developer applied for a two building two-story development and includes first floor commercial.

Z

Space and 34 second story residential units. This approval reversed in the early earlier.

Z

Denial, a denial properly decided by the planning commission that denial was rightfully based on.

Z

Concerns over traffic and lack of compatibility with the residential neighborhood next door, where.

Z

I live, I know you all know this, I'm just kind of restating it so we're all on the same page here.

Z

I'm here today to ask for your help like developer interests that appear before you.

Z

It seems weekly- I am here to ask for a change in zoning law. In my case, I'm here to ask for.

Z

Changes that will protect my neighborhood and the many other existing residential communities. Next.

Z

To land now approved for planned commercial centers, you may not know that there are many.

Z

People in our county who view this particular use as detrimental to the county. There are.

Z

Some that have even said that the previous plant commercial center was a mistake that.

Z

Includes at least one member of the planning department and even our own state delegate,.

Z

And it includes many many voting citizens who view this, as particular use as a mistake.

Z

For this reason, I ask you to rescind the planned commercial center as a principal permitted use.

Z

Entirely from all commercial districts, I make this request on behalf of myself and my neighbors as.

Z

The only way to truly protect our neighborhoods, you alone, control the zoning standards that.

Z

Determine what can and cannot be built around us when you adopted the most recent master plan.

Z

In 2019, you enabled incompatible development to come to us. This decision was unfair to the many.

Z

People who long ago decided to move here based on an existing quality of life me my neighbors and.

Z

Many other people in this county who now live next to property and this new commercial zone.

Z

Have invested our savings in our home and ourselves in this community.

Z

We ask that you now protect our quality of life and our investments from the adverse impacts that.

Z

Will result from your 2019 decision to bring traffic lighting commercial building massing.

Z

And noise to our neighborhood do what is fair, reversing the zoning changes that threaten our.

Z

Neighborhoods, our communities and our quality of life again, I would like to state that I have.

Z

Never ever been against smart, measured growth and never argued against any plan development prior.

Z

To adoption of the current master plan, I believe this to be a fair and equitable compromise that.

Z

Does not detract from your desired commercial tax base. Section 158-134 of the zoning code allows.

Z

Any person to petition the commissioners for a change in zoning text amendments.

Z

It also includes a requirement that all proposed amendments to the zoning code.

Z

Be referred to the planning commission and I'm here to ask you all to do that today.

A

Okay, um I know you're on a three-minute clock and you read: don't worry about that. You read.

A

Your script we have with you is there anything else you'd like to share with us.

Z

Nope, that's it okay! Yep! Thank you very much. Thank you. Will you refer this to the planning commission.

A

Well, will the planning commit you're asking? Will the planning commission get this? I'm asking you to.

Z

Refer the changes that I proposed to the planning commission, as outlined in the code? Okay, what.

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What we will do is take your comments and also what you wrote under consideration. Okay, and I will.

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Share with you that I will work with our staff at that point, but that's kind of where I'm at.

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Right now, if anybody else wants to share something that they've either said in other correspondence.

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They may do so, but that's you know where I'm at so okay, okay and feel free to reach out anytime, okay,.

Z

So the answer is that you won't refer to the planning community. The answer is, I'm not going.

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To get into a dialogue during this open comment: okay, now it's but we'll you know, I will address.

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This this is not a debt issue and it will continue to be addressed. Okay, thank you. Okay,.

A

Okay, is there anything for open admin? I have a couple things: um they're they're.

K

All related uh the um so when uh rob burke left, we appointed jenny hobbs as acting tax, collector.

K

um Now that she is been appointed full um comptroller uh not acting, uh we haven't.

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Sort of crossed that tee so uh ask the court appoint her as both comptroller and and um tax.

K

Collector, instead of acting in both capacities, we need a motion to do that. Yeah, okay, so moved.

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Second, okay, any discussion, then she is no longer acting yeah he's full-fledged. That was it for me.

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Okay, anything else for open admin. Okay on the one you come on up.

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Okay, a reminder to the community that monday october 10th in observance of columbus day.

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The carroll county government offices will be closed on tuesday october 11th.

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There will be a joint board esac meeting uh held in room 103 downstairs at 3 p.m. At 7 pm.

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um I apologize room 003 at 7, 00 pm on october 11th. There's an ag center.

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Board banquet and meeting that I will be attending along with commissioner boucher.

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Wednesday october 12th is maryland association county's initiative subcommittee meeting that I.

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Will be participating in and then a legislative subcommittee meeting with mako that commissioner.

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Wentz will be participating in at 4 30 pm. There's an adult drug court, graduation.

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That commissioner, boucher frazier lance and I will be attending over at the community college.

A

On thursday, a question on wednesday, isn't it wednesday evening uh board of ed meeting as well.

K

Yeah I thought wednesday the 12th was the board of ed meeting. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't have my.

B

Calendar in front of me, but I thought it was- can look into that yeah see. That is because.

B

That starts at five, I believe so. I would try to I'll try to get to I'll go to drug court. Then.

B

I have to leave last time yeah and I had to have to leave, but I'm pretty sure it's the same night.

A

Okay, on thursday, we are scheduled to uh start open session at nine in the morning.

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Talk about willow pond tree planting.

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Okay, um environmental compliance, engineering services, final legislative legislation, review.

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And comprehensive rezoning text amendment for ag and conservation districts approved.

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Transfer transfers for community self-help to fall, 2022 reckon park self-help projects.

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Will be a land acquisition purchasing of the arc? Easements approval to accept a grant from the maa.

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For the repairs and recoding of the fbo, what is that field based operator field based operator.

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Roof storm water drain pipe and on level road funds transferred to circuit court building.

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It's a bi-directional: amplifier distributed antenna system, okay,.

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In building oh now that we transferred the money we will buy, it uh buy it in building.

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Bi-Directional amplifier distributed antenna system and then we'll talk about purchasing.

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Medical supplies for the department of fire ems, so the third item, the final legislative.

K

Review is coming will come off because we had hoped to do that today in an afternoon.

K

Work session today, but because commissioner lance isn't here, we pushed the work session.

K

Off until next week, okay and then it'll be the following week, when you have the final okay.

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um Yep 1pm we'll do the work session for ag and conservation districts at 2 pm. We have the uh mdot.

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Ctp fall tour meeting at 6, 30 pm carroll, county land, trust annual dinner meeting.

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Commissioner, boucher and weaver will be attending at the best western.

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Friday, nothing scheduled saturday, nothing scheduled sunday. Commissioner frazier has.

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A podcast and commissioner lance will be attending the celebrating america.

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Ice cream social at the farm museum put me down for that as well. I typically attend that.

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uh I apologize nope, don't put me down for that. I will not be here sorry about that.

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um Ice cream on monday october 17th, the msde advisory council on health and physical.

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Education, hybrid on site at montgomery county commissioner frazier, is attending.

B

um Hybrid I'll, be there hybridly. Oh, I see okay, carroll, county carroll.

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Community college foundation scholarship reception, commissioner, frazier and wentz.

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Will be attending that on monday afternoon on tuesday there's a chamber of commerce breakfast.

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That's 2bd as far as destination, commissioner boucher will be attending planning. Commission.

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Commissioner, lance will be participating at 9 00 a.m, at 2 p.m. A walk in a park at leicester.

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Park hampstead, commissioner boucher will be participating, there'll be a veterans, advisory.

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Meeting where commissioner weaver will be attending, I will not be here on the 18th.

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On wednesday, the 19th, the community college board of trustees meeting.

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Commissioner, lance will be attending at 5 p.m: 6 p.m, carroll, county food, sunday, 40th anniversary.

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Commissioner boucher frazier lance and I will be attending. There will be a esac meeting with.

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Commissioner wentz participating at that at 7 pm on thursday october 20th.

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Open session amendments to chapter 34, public hearing amendments to chapter 34, ethics, ordinance.

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Environmental advisory council documents eac documents mr hein, will be presenting to us.

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Option to purchase for the rudolph and nancy haney property through the rural legacy.

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Program, it's always good stuff. Adoption of changes to chapter 155 are scheduled.

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Adoption of changes to chapter 158 are also scheduled at the time.

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Rezoning case 226 the max sweet property rezoning case 227 to mjy investments, property.

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Adoption of comprehensive rezoning text- amendment agricultural and conservation districts isn't then.

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Scheduled fiscal year, 23 cip budget transfer for carroll, county public schools, board of education.

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And then the fy 23 cip budget adjustments for carol county public schools once they've been.

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Transferred we'll be presenting at 1 pm, we have a consideration of bond sale award resolution.

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And our comptroller miss jenny. Hobbs will be presenting um 3 p.m. Carroll, community college, cdl.

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Program ribbon, cutting that all five of us will be. uh You know, take my name off of that all four of.

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Us besides, here's your friend, commissioner boucher lance weaver and I will be attending um on friday.

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Baltimore metropolitan council board of directors meeting commissioner lance will be attending.

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In the morning saturday morning, there's a ribbon cutting on october 22nd, the major general linda.

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L singh right in his center uh naming ribbon cutting down sykesville where I'll be attending.

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And then on sunday, commissioner boucher has the podcast.

C

Any question the 13th that you canceled the workshop right.

K

No, no! That's! That's when we're having it that's happening in the afternoon.

C

May not be there. I have a 12 30 downstairs. I'll have to go, see ya.

A

Well, let's take a little taking vivian forever to get this other one together. So, okay, I can come.

C

In late well, let's, let's take a look at what the postponed it from today, because so really trying.

A

To get everyone there well well, we'll we'll work it! um Okay, I need a motion to adjourn so moved.

D

Second, I got a motion in a second all in favor, aye, aye, okay, chris, let us know when we're off. Let's.