Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 12 Oct 2022

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we'll call this meeting order it as per usual.

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We will go through our opening ceremonies, which includes a pledge to the flag and.

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Observing a moment of silence in memory of those who have passed before us and.

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Allow this country to be great as it is. It is strictly voluntary with that.

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Mr barnhart, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the.

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Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Apparently our first case number is 6415 has not arrived, uh scheduled 10 a.m and we waited uh five.

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Or six minutes- um and our next case official case is not till 10 45 . go over some official business.

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On the business agenda, first item is approval of the minutes from september the 21st meeting of the.

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Board, which you all should have received by email as well as a copy. Are there any corrections or.

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Additions to the minutes as presented, I have not. I have none with that. They'll stand approved as read.

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The next item that we can discuss at this time under new business.

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Is that copper, mine requests for several outdoor events in november and december of 2022.

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He was going to come in at two o'clock if you had any questions about it, but.

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If we want to discuss it, we can, I can answer most of the questions.

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Did he make a request in writing with the diagrams and things like that.

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Well, I think we need to discuss it if he is coming in. I think we need to discuss it with him. Okay,.

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We officially can discuss the next item. Discussion of alcohol training classes to be led by the.

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County liquor board staff. Would you like to explain to the board exactly what you're talking.

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About right, since covid after cove has been out um a lot of establishments and restaurants bars.

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Like whatever we have licensees have been trying a hard time finding alcohol management.

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Classes, alcohol awareness classes, um myself and inspector pullman want permission from.

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The board to put together our own program and teach our own program in throughout the county.

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um Basically be offered once a month in the building in this room and we'll be able to go.

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To other locations, if, if requested, we will charge a fee for the training, um just like the other.

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Agencies do frederick I'm getting the copy of the powerpoint presentation from frederick county.

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Frederick county does this training also and I'm we're going to mirror basically what they do.

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It's a good idea as long as it doesn't put you in a higher tax bracket. It's fine yeah.

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I agree with mr barnes. I think it's a it's a great idea.

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And I spoke to county administrator, roberta windom is used in favor of it also.

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Does that fee go to the county? Yes, because we'll be both paid by the county through our.

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And joe will be taking registration and we'll be printing certificates.

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Using county property and county, so all the fee goes to accounting.

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And how long were these these approximately.

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The training is between three to four three to four hours.

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The all-in-one session- yes, my goal was to do it in person. I don't. I.

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Think you get more out of it doing in person you do than you do virtual.

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um I can't sit through, I cannot imagine, saying, through teaching three hours a virtual trip.

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Imagine sitting through three hours or four hours, but I want to do in person because.

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I think, with in person you get a lot of the questions asked by other other questions. Yeah.

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So you say three or four hours a month, approximately recession first session. Yes,.

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And then possibly our second session at some some location. If someone wants to host one.

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Now do we have money for information questions now.

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Jim is part-time and you're full-time. Do we have three or four hours a month.

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To take out of your regular schedule for checking licensees and so on and so forth, I believe we do.

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And I've I've also talked to jim and he he you can find. You can answer that question.

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No, I don't, I don't believe it's going to impact uh on the current functions which I do or keith.

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Does it's? We can pick a day, maybe a I don't know saturday afternoon or saturday morning.

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That that'll be easy for me. My point is: if you work x number of hours a week either one of you.

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Okay, if you take those three or four hours out of your existing schedule, okay,.

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Will that impact your ability to check jim, like you check for for violations.

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And keith supposed to check our body for all kinds of things still going to have time to do it.

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Oh yeah! Oh yes! Oh sorry, without impacting you're what 15 hours a week right at the moment, I average.

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Somewhere between eight and 12 hours a week, that's on a good week. Sometimes it's like.

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Zero, so if you, during the pay period of I'm, allowed 30 30 hours, that should shouldn't.

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Impact and make any difference whatsoever, but what I'm getting at is those eight or twelve.

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Hours a week that you've been working and so on so forth, are they ours out in the field? Yes,.

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And how many hours keith of the 36 or whatever you work a week? How many hours is out in the field.

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Probably 30. we've got what 150 couple license.

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172., how many 172.? Well, that includes ones that haven't been issued yet, but.

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Depending on your 72., and also I did talk to roberta and if it does her his hours.

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We might be our just his hours and add more hours to him if need to, but that's a discussion we can.

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Have down the road with budget, but most of the time, the only time he's here for me is.

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Usually, on hearing days that's the most hours he works so that week is tied up and I might.

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Push him overnight week, so we just have to schedule when he's when I have hearing days.

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I think it's a great idea, but my only concern is.

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uh That we have the ability to do it within house without.

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Not being able to accomplish everything that I think the and once we get up and.

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Running I mean jim and I are going to work together. First, two or three classes just to.

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Get both of us comfortable with it once it up and running it. Just it's one person class.

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Now, joe's time, my time doing, certificates or jim's time I mean that's all going to be.

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Floated but the actual teaching classes. Why don't you get some around one person? Three.

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From four hours or but I guess, five hours by the time you set up clean up, tear down.

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And do all that, but that's only one one person a month or 10 hours. If we do it twice.

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And you expect to do it here. Yes, I have permission from roberta to do it here.

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And I was thinking this room you're gonna get charged for it. No.

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And be us with our schedule, if someone wants to.

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Do an early morning when we can do an early morning, one.

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This would also help pave the way in case there's a change that we make about train.

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Licensees on premise, it would take down some of the obstacles to moving that direction. I agree yes,.

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Any other comments or questions.

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I think we all agree. That's a good idea. Okay, move forward very old.

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You want to discuss the fee, you were. I was thinking 50 hours, a person. What does it cost.

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For the other kansas 70 80, as the most I've seen, um I think frederick county does 48 hours.

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They're in-house the one you're talking about their own house is 40. I do believe what.

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What well, I guess it really doesn't matter. We want to do it, we do it, but.

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Do we expect anything? In other words, if they're charging, 70 or 80 bucks now.

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And we're going to charge 50s as an example, what kind of rapport or feedback we might get from.

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I would think to not be too happy um sure that that's the reason why.

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But I I'm having people have established going to frederick.

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County to have trainings going out of county to have a training that.

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They could because they can't find anybody in carroll county to host it or teach it.

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Well, I thought.

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You just said: marty johnson was having one at the golf course he is and who's the lady that was here.

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Where we got certified, oh you mean anna down belissimos yeah.

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uh This one, uh I can't oh.

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Two years ago, yeah, I know I knew he was talking about she's she's.

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um Executive director of maryland state mslba.

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What jane jane springer.

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Yeah, you say she's exactly a director or what.

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Is it I think it's maryland state licensed business beverage association, mslba.

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I have a is that.

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Is that the right association, because there's two different there's a restaurant association and.

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M-S-L-B-A, educational resources, inc.

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They're on main street in westminster yeah, they are right sponsored by the maryland.

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State licensed beverage association, yeah, that's what I'm getting to when I ask the question.

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When you step on somebody's stows toes, this is a state organization right.

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Well, the maryland state licensed beverage organization, it's a 501c3, but it's I think.

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You're asking if it's statewide um yeah it's registered in the state of maryland yeah.

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Legislative action sometimes creates more problems than it solves and the reason I'm.

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Asked that question is what kind of opposition might we expect from from organizations like that.

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John doe's doing it like marty's doing it. That's one thing: that's.

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Private enterprise, but this is private enterprise too, but anyway.

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I think you ought to proceed without it without doubt I I I know, frederick county.

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Does it I'm getting there and I'm that's why I got most of this information from.

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um How long they've been doing it? They started doing it before covering and then.

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They have on in person and also virtual training too, but since covid we've had, I.

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Mean because we used to get do we still get the fly, the monthly yeah we used to get a.

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Flyer, it tells you where, where they would go quarterly and we don't even get that anymore.

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We'll deal with it when it does really killing times what I'm doing.

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Plus I liked it have the inspectors.

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On the hot seat, hot seat, a little bit see if they answer them, the prettiest man he's.

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Just sitting there like a bobby, you know so anyway, see you all and see nothing all right.

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The next thing you know he'll want to be given the bus driving license first classes. Okay,.

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That's my job, I'm a driver's boss when it gets the bus running so full full steam ad. For that we have.

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An application from buds at silver run to replace the licensee with ken laurie yeah. You remember. I.

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Sent a letter to him on your behalf, yes, and they got the application in it, worked in november. Okay,.

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It worked and he passed away right who passed away: lynn salisbury, the previously previous licensee.

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And who was ken leary always been he's a owner he's a partner in the corporation 50 50 ownership.

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And so the estate now owns 50 and can.

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Keeps his 50. plus he's the chef? Isn't it yes, he's he's the he runs the place, yeah yeah and he just.

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Moved, I believe he moved to carroll county several years ago now he's eligible as county resident.

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Okay, well, that takes care agenda that I have here until well. You could discuss the.

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Legislation, because that's not well that's what I was going to ask mr dixon, the three copies.

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That I have probably are out of date of the legislation that you prepared for changing the.

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Bar being eligible to be counted in the 50s seats,.

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And we agreed only up to 15 seats could be counted.

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Should that be shown in the legislation, or is that a carroll county rule that we can enforce.

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Is it it's not in there now? No- and I might I know that was changed, but this might be.

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Oh, what section is it? What sections are you talking about.

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No, I haven't handed, you know what, since we might have changed it in your office. What I.

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Have might not be the latest, but what's what's that, what numbers sections are we talking about.

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Well, the only thing I can tell you it's going to be 16 904 902.

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903 says proposed changes to current 16-905.

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All right- and it says, number two.

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Under b as regular seating capacity at tables and we have struck excluding seats.

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Change the word to including seats at bars or counters for at least 50 individuals and now.

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This is really antique. The next section operates in a facility with an assessed real property.

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Valuation of at least twenty thousand dollars, so that could be this room. Okay, I've got that.

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But I just made copies of everything. So what what? But I think it's all three I.

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Think there's three sections: two two three or three four and five. I think there's.

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It's lit it it's at least in two different places in the statute.

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Where that language has changed correct, but that you that's what I'm getting at.

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What we're gonna propose is going to specify that they can only count 15 seats at the bar.

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Yes, we added we added that information and it might not be in here, but that is that.

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Isn't the latest version? That's the latest version, so we're okay? Yes, it's in the latest.

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I I just don't, have the latest: can we have a copy of the latest whenever you get to get it so.

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We can present that to the commissioners, along with the new rules that we're presenting.

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Sure so we got to have it to them before november. The 1st.

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Now the second piece of legislation.

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Which I don't have a copy of the proposed legislation: arts council? How about that yeah.

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Please, where we're changing the fees and adding number five all right. I've got that. That's this.

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But where's the where's, the number five.

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I don't see it here, it is still the old prices too no yeah. It is.

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Yeah, this is the current law yeah, okay,.

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But this doesn't help.

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Your office, so you have it, but I don't have it that's what I'm saying I don't remember doing that.

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I don't remember it, this is.

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Tim, this is you got to copy this hey it's what it is that was. um That was what kelly gave us.

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Right, that's right! So it's kelly handed that out and then I took notes on it. Yeah.

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um I also want you to go into.

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So in our minutes you make sure there's something yeah make sure.

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It's just like your minutes reflect the chance right right.

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They're here, for the second case, what the second case yeah the second case, two five, nine.

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The nine seven nine.

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Do we need to call that first case and just.

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uh Do something with it or once you go into, we have a number. We have a telephone number to call.

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I don't want them, um they were represented last time, they're here right. Yes, um I I think 22.

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I'll just suggest maybe calling the uh their attorney quickly and just asking.

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If he has information is why they're not present.

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It was um it's a big name in baltimore county. It's like it's like it's about boat, booster, bowser,.

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Oh yeah boozer, that's right! It's burning, boozer, vernon, f boozer is the attorney that I knew and.

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Shouldn't be hard to find a firm that uh he's still associated with the firm he's a.

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Counselor or a partner, so that would be the office vernon boozer's office. Thank you. Bye.

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Suzanne's going to print out what holder! Okay, it's in the minutes.

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What we agree: yeah yeah yeah you actually your minutes- contain all the numbers, but.

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um I also asked her to give mr patel a call and asked why he wasn't here: okay,.

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She didn't have a number, I don't have an. I don't have a number then.

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Or patel yeah, I suggested calling the attorney's office uh vernon boozer's office.

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I mean they did, they did receive the copy right.

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Will you hand the living room? I mean just it's in there right.

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Can you believe an ex-police officer doesn't have a pen, a4, 10, okay, two eight.

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Nine four, four one: that's the attorney.

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Is daniel schumann, the resident agent.

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What's canary, okay, I mean.

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It's um accurate 2 llc is the name of the corporation that they represent. Okay, we know okay,.

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Based on uh rule four failure of african or alleged violation violator to appear.

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The board, can, I guess, take evidence today and uh in case of an alleged violation, may take action.

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Based on evidence presented to it and still make a decision right, whether they're here or not, foreign.

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Okay, so 6416 is here: yes,.

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Okay, our 10, oh it's only 10 30.. I thought the case was 10. 30.. Sorry,.

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For that, so we can just wait and see. What's what here for a second or two? Is there anything any.

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Other new business to be brought before the group that is not on the agenda that somebody might have.

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Do we know, what's going on with um licensee for raphael in um mr sierra passed away, joan passed.

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Away yeah, I haven't gotten anything yet but they're early days, yet from the time allowed.

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Is he the licensee, mr sierra, yes, john senior yeah and I was told they're, probably going to put.

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One of the sarah brothers from you know that they're both I think on the italian deli yeah.

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I think they're gonna put one of them on take one off of there and put on here or.

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Whatever now he could be on both since we changed that.

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I left a message: what about the um license? Well, I gave suzanne his number. You want to trade.

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Okay left a message with the attorney's office: didn't have anybody there to answer it.

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You're five: four: let me decided in all these cases that we wanted the license to see here.

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Yes, it was a violation, yes yeah, we said going forward, we want the licensee. So why would we not.

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Contact the licensee first well, it represented, I, I think we don't know they were at the they.

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Were represented at the last hearing, so I think, as a artist as a board's courtesy.

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Give the attorney a heads up uh that his client is not here almost done in service.

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So I guess we should put it if we go forward without anyone, as as tim said, the rules allow us.

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I guess we put in the record, but uh joe said that that they.

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And our file reflects that they received notice right.

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You can't tell who signed for it, but somebody did.

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Well, jim, did you go to the oyster stroll? No, I went to uh pardon me. The oktoberfest down.

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There at uh stratospheres, oh yeah, how was it very, very well organized good, well organized.

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And I was there for when it started and there was quite a few people there, but there was more.

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People coming as I was leaving so it looked, and I saw some photographs online and it seems like.

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It was pretty well attended so out front in front of the building they had. They had a few.

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I haven't checked in there in a few few uh small vendors there I had a little stage with a with a.

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uh With a singer, but inside uh they had the main, the main area in that back area, which is like the.

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Grass area so, and they had that was that was full of vendors, so it was pretty well attended. They had.

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Oktoberfest food oktoberfest beers, it had had a combination of local brewery, beer, uh uh import.

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Import german, beer, uh german style, food, um german style, hats and clothing, and it was it was, it was.

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Well, organized we have fraulein and costumes and not thai noticed. I would have stayed longer, but.

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What you mean by that, neither do I.

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Well, yeah it was, it was it was. There were people, there are people in costumes as well. I guess.

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Yes and no, it was a bit chilly, so uh it was, it was a. It was a mixture of german style.

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Clothing and normal clothes yeah, here's the they only made one copy, which is fine.

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Of the 15 seats keith now this this is probably a.

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Stupid question: for me, this third set of papers here: what what? What are they for.

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Yeah, uh let me see what I see one, the first one 16904. I only saved 16904. Does somebody have something.

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Other than that, what she only made one copy of each one of each yeah, two of these things refer.

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To not exceed 15 counter seats, okay, but then there's a third page here.

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Oh those, it says, I see what it says now I didn't look at that.

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First case, under the summary of the proposal- that's all it says: okay, okay,.

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That justifies the other two. That's all yeah, that's good!.

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So uh so can we get copies of that for our file before we leave today.

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He it he's asked if he can come at noon today. He had it scheduled for friday. He what he asked if.

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He can come at noon today. He had a schedule on his calendar to hear him supposed to be friday.

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At 11 30 we have.

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Case and if he comes at noon, if he's not here at noon, he's in trouble, okay,.

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Well, we still can't move on.

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So we're squared away there now, the other, you didn't give me back my paper.

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Do you need it with the fees and the stuff one, the one that um a kelly tested this one? It has.

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Red on it has red on the bottom yeah I I don't know if I have that one, but I do have one where.

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I change double the numbers, so, but that's what I just passed you oh, is that does that.

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Have a doubling of the numbers, no um yeah, what I passed him does. Oh did you do it yourself, yeah.

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Well, I know I did that so I got a house. I guess I better look for it. There's your record. I got.

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It tim she paid me back. Thank my apologies. I got more papers here than the library.

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Because it needs to be thrown away any other business questions, comments, suggestions.

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Oh yeah, okay, keith sure anything any update as far as the.

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Seminar, we're scheduled for june 1st everything's good to go. Marty johnson will be will be speaking.

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I'm having to say what topics we haven't formalized who's, all speaking, but.

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Right now june, 1st at 9 9 a.m. At the k-100 carroll community college, previously not right.

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In this handicapped parking down along the side of the building.

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That's risk people can't hold that team gotcha park that food truck close to that place.

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And crab imperial or crab dip would be nice for gemini. You got it yeah gluten-free! Please! Yes, yes,.

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Where was the worcester strolls closed from the forks from the john street to.

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Longwell I mean that's john street to center street, always center yep.

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I'm only asking questions, yes, that it's all in the center because it spreads it out. It.

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Doesn't make it as crowded because a lot of those lines there's lines for people to get.

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Get the oysters and stuff like that: was it vendors? Yes, the old post office, one up there? Yes,.

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I think that's going to be their main footprint from all the strolls that they're going to be.

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Putting on from now on well when they first started that they had a trolley.

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Didn't work out good I just for maggie's, basically from maggie's and for rock salt.

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But with I don't think the new owners have have asked for that. Trolley back, haven't.

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Seen it back, I just wondered because I happen to be in maggie's that day, but.

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We had the first one and there was a trolley pulled up there and I asked jim. I said what.

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The world is that I didn't know it was oyster stall and he told me what it was.

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And I didn't they raised the prices on oysters two dollars for an oyster right. Do they have.

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I can't think of the names of them, but anyway, the guy at the grandstand girl to fairgrounds.

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That has a restaurant for us.

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You have like half a dozen different kinds of oysters blue points: chesapeake bay.

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Chincoteague all kinds of stuff toms river they had they had, I think they had nine oyster farms.

B

And then each restaurant had their oysters chuckers, so um there was probably 14 to 15. Maybe.

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20. different oyster stands: um hooper island had steamed oysters, they have fried no, no fried horses.

B

Attacking that you could get a po boy, which is a fried oyster, yeah.

B

But no, no fried oysters, no good, fried oysters. How many.

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Well, I'll guess you might you know how many vendors do you think they.

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Had total trucks everything 100, it happens.

B

And that's the smaller one, the oyster drawers are smaller of the three is that right.

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The wine straw is probably the biggest. The wine straw is probably the biggest one. They do.

A

It might have been in the paper, but I never saw how did the wine festival compare to.

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Previous years, was it my personal opinion? The wine festival was not his main vendors.

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Food vendors and wine vendors.

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Because I was a designated driver for the wine festival.

B

You weren't 9 45. tonight it's close to 9 45 at.

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This time I would ask mr dixon if he will call our 10 45 case 6416, please.

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All right case, 64 16, an application to replace the resident licensee mark.

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Jerema with faith a brino for class bc, beer wine and liquor license with catering to be.

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Issued to faith a renault for the use of jnp pizza liberty, road llc trading, his vcp vanessa's corner.

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Pub 2600 west liberty, road westminster, maryland 21157 and election district 9.

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And to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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uh Notice, the public hearing september 20th uh september 30th 2022.

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Notice, the public hearing september 23rd 2022.

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December september, 12 2022 letter from joe vance to faith a burrito and mark gerima.

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And then there's a.

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Application and the application includes character, references see, just information, a menu.

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Sdat information workers, comp insurance, comparable information.

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Was it corporate information, driving record and financial information? I would ask that the file.

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Be entered into evidence we'll accept that in the evidence this time I would ask all those.

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Who tend to testify in this case? Please stand raise your right hand be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or firm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

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To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth.

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Before you testify, we would ask that you state your full name and your address for the record.

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And spell your last name for the record, please who is going to present the case.

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I am my name is faith. A brino, b-r-e-n-o, 5880, moss, creek drive mount airy, maryland 21771.

H

Thank you, okay. You can pull that microphone. Thank you. Could you hear me now.

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This is an application to replace the resident license. Z, that is correct.

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And why is that? Necessary? Mark is moving out of the county. He is moving to west virginia.

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And you will be the new licensee. Yes, that is true.

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And you have experience with alcohol.

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I have been working for vanessa's corner pub for six years now, so I'm pretty much the go-to person.

L

I do the books, I've kind of been moved up into the position of a general manager, so.

L

For the past year and a half during covid, I've been pretty much running. The bar and restaurant.

A

And your tips are tam certified, actually, I'm sas certified through don sugars. I.

L

Took the class over the weekend, so I have my certification from dawn in frederick county.

A

So you went to the class in frederick county.

L

You wanted to get it before I got presented here and I have two of my staff going to listen to.

L

Marty coming up on the 23rd up in hampstead, but I wanted to make sure that I did my due diligence.

L

And was certified before I came before the board, so you went to frederick county. Yes, was it visual.

A

In person in person in person, how long was it I talked about this this morning? So I'm well and.

B

Let me, let me just add: faith is one of the ones. Who've had trouble finding something in carroll.

B

County, yes, is one of the reasons. That's all right, I'm just trying to yes, it was two hours two hours.

A

Have you taken tips or tams before had? I know I did not need it at that point, but I wanted to make.

L

Sure that I was covered the reason I asked that is compare one to the other. Oh, in your estimation,.

A

That's it's fine. I just was curious, but how many employees do you have there do? I have? There is 27.

A

And how many of them are tips or tams certified is currently three, so that is why I'm having a.

L

Few going on the 23rd and then we are also going to hopefully go with um don to do the rest of them.

L

As an in-person and you have a restaurant area and a bar area- well, our restaurant and bar together.

L

And then we have like a package store, our carryout has beer and wine, and then our bar can hold up to.

L

About 97 in-house, your carryout is on the other end. If I remember right, yes, it is. uh One side is.

L

A carryout with a um like a package store the beer and wine, it's on one side and then the restaurant.

L

Is on the other? Is there someone in the carryout? That's certified me you're in both places. Yes, I am.

L

I basically were carry out when I, if I'm working the floor, but then I'll kind of manage the bar.

L

And the restaurant well then, there's one of the other three certified it's in the bar. Then yes,.

A

You say you have 27 employees overall and that's including kitchen right.

A

And how how long have you been associated six years six years.

H

You have any questions. What is your current carding policy? Basically, we take no vertical.

L

Anything and actually I just had keith, come out and give me all new signs, so I have them. I put.

L

Them up for the carryout, so as soon as you walk up to the register, it's sitting right.

L

There and then I put two in the bar: that's on our cabinet, so you know who's ever coming up.

L

They see that directly, so they don't have to have a confrontation with our servers.

L

um Basically, anybody that looks under 40 and we tried the card, um but that's pretty much our our.

L

Policy currently do you have a um an employee training in place where you have them learn then.

D

Sign paperwork that they're aware what can happen to them if they serve a minor? Yes, we have, I guess.

L

When did the looker board send something out? Was it yeah? We have that right in our carryout, for any.

L

Of the people that coming in you literally like run into it, and it has all of the requirements.

L

And then the consequences of what happens when we do training for any of the new people in carryout.

L

I'm a trainer in the evening and then we have one lady who's been with us for about 15 years.

L

That does a daytime training so between both of us, we make sure how do we card what we card? What.

L

We're looking for we've got making sure that the pictures there that the birth dates right, that the.

L

um License hasn't been expired, one of the things that I just learned over the weekend. It seems like.

L

There's a lot of false identifications and one of the things that we were noted to is up in the top.

L

Corner the holographic doesn't move, so I've been trying to make sure I'm telling all of my staff.

L

If you get something that doesn't seem quite right, try doing that change of the holographic, because.

L

The holographics aren't moving, so that was a good thing that and then I also found something else.

L

Out that, if you use the lottery machine, you could also get the birth date of how old the person is.

L

So I learned a couple good little tricks of the trade um and um since I've been going back and.

L

Whoever I've been working with I've just kind of been telling them some of the things, the two that.

L

Are trained in the bar? We make sure that any new person gets trained with them, so they're.

L

Constantly shadowing, how are they karting? What are they looking for so um and that's pretty much what.

L

Ours, so so out of your 27 employees, how many we say are front of house that would would directly.

L

Deal with the serving of the alcohol, probably 17., but only two certified there's three now.

D

Yeah three: now: okay, so so just off the cuff. If something was offered locally at a reasonable.

D

Price, would you get more people, sir? Oh as soon as you know, I can um once this has been pretty much.

L

um Identified that I was going to be the licensee, I've been trying to find something that would be.

L

Good, as I said, I have two that are going to the hampstead one and the only reason why I'm doing.

L

Two 75 dollars compared to forty dollars with the frederick county. I could get more bang for.

L

My buck and I've got a couple that are just going to be starting to turn or that's turning 18. That.

L

Will be working in our carryout and starting to be our servers? I want them to be right up front.

L

Understanding what the consequences, what the rules are- and I want my younger ones.

L

Being certified as much as my experienced people, so I feel more so I want to get my 18 19 year olds.

L

Where they could learn the skills on how to start lessening drinks to people who seem like they're.

L

Getting a little out of control and how that they can, you know just basically have the skills to.

L

You know transition somebody from alcohol drink to a soda or to a glass of water or to more food.

L

You know so: yes, if we had something in carroll county I'd definitely jump on that, because some.

L

Of the rules are a little different and I would rather have everything everybody know the same.

L

Thing from carroll county and not having somebody say, oh by the way, yeah carol's a little different.

L

This is what you need to know, but if somebody that is 100 carroll county then oh definitely.

L

I would have have there been any violations in the six years that you've been with them.

D

That's all I have sylvester barnhart. Do you have any questions, a couple of quick ones.

C

um Mr ima, no, this isn't mark. This is good. This is my um oh characteristics.

L

Mark was not able to attend. He had a work commitment, so he wasn't able to.

A

Current, let me let me have a letter requesting this change. There should be one inside the should.

L

Be in the father in here: okay, I'm sorry go ahead, just so unclear. If the current resin agent is mark.

C

Gerima dharma yeah, okay, he's not here; no, he isn't it. Okay are any current licensees here. He's the.

L

Only one that's on our license, okay, so that was my other question. So the current licensee mark gerima.

C

He knew he knew about the hearing. Yes, he did.

L

And when I texted him last week to remind him, he said he wasn't unable to come.

C

um And you are now a current.

C

Shareholder of the corporation- yes, I am, and in your application you indicated that your financial.

C

Contribution is, is five thousand dollars correct and that's been passed on to the uh corporation.

L

There should be, I think I also attached a receipt that it was deposited into. The bank account yeah.

C

Yeah and um the amended shareholder agreement has you having 25 shares correct.

C

Our value is 200, but that's just that's an accounting matter. More than anything else,.

C

I want to clarify 200 per share. It was the par value of the shares that the stockholder.

C

Agreement had you receiving so that's. Why that's why I want to clarify that you got.

C

Or that you paid well, it's ten percent that on part- and it was five thousand dollars that I gave.

L

It's 10 percent of the shareholder that I am.

L

And it's five thousand dollars that I gave okay. I just want to clear that up. Yeah.

C

And he was a gentleman mr shane and shane is my character. Witness.

C

This question may have been asked.

C

Mr benford, how is the uh no violations? No violations? Correct? Well, that's good! Thank you.

C

Thank you and you've been there. Six years, I've been with vanessa's corner pub for six years.

L

I have been in the industry for about 20. I started my career with frank ileano at j p.

L

Pizza, I was his bookkeeper and then I um moved on from there and I worked for carter q on.

L

um They're on the frederick county side and then I took some time off and got.

L

My boys, through high school and college and six years ago I was looking for something to do and.

L

Vanessa and I kind of crossed the paths and she's like we're. Looking for somebody and.

L

I joined with them, it's been a journey. I only wanted to be the bookkeeper and just the way.

L

That things materialized and covered and the passion that I put into it to make sure that.

L

We stayed afloat thorn covid. The timing just ended up being right when they asked me probably three.

L

Years ago I wouldn't have been interested, but I put my heart and soul into this organization and.

L

It's my passion, that's great, um who is max sweet and vanessa crucifus they're the owners.

L

Max and vanessa are the owners of vanessa's corner pub. Okay,.

C

um And I take it, your mount airy address is carroll county mount airy. Yes, it is.

L

Four miles from the restaurant, so there you go again, I'm close enough.

C

So the owners live in frederick county, yes, they do and the corporation the principal offices.

C

Frederick county principal office is their mailing address, so yes, frederick city, I think yep. Yes,.

C

How's, the business lately we are status quo.

L

uh We weathered covid very well. Sales are starting to pick up.

L

If you ask me the question about how is hiring.

L

That's a whole different ball game. Trying to get people to work have a very difficult.

L

To get them coming through, so we're, I think we could probably use five or six more people.

L

But trying to get them through or even the ones that I do hire the work ethic isn't.

L

What I would expect some of them to do, but we are maintaining our sales- are increasing. So, okay.

A

What are your hours of operation are, we are opens.

L

Sunday, through thursday, from 11 to 9 and then friday and saturday 11 to 10, is our kitchen hours.

L

um Friday and saturday maybe 12 o'clock is our people are clocking out. They're done our.

L

Late night, business isn't as booming as it had one spend, but friday and saturdays. You know they stay.

L

Open a little bit later during the weekdays, if our last customers, leaving by 10 o'clock, that's pretty.

C

So, do you no longer have live music on weekends.

L

Live we um we are trying to bring that back, but it really doesn't bring in the business.

L

For us, we've tried a couple times this during the summer and actually a couple weeks ago and.

L

That saturday, business was just the same as non-music business, so it's just kind of.

L

Weird in regards to that, but then sometimes you know, I think the one that we had was.

L

huh Somebody had a big band up here up in westminster, which apparently drew some of.

L

Our customers up this way, so I guess the thing is, is if you're doing live, music.

L

Kind of see who else is doing something around you, because that takes from one to another, but.

L

We've kind of curtailed it, but yeah we we've tried to bring that back a little bit.

A

Your your heirs in the carryout is the same as the restaurant.

L

The kitchen it's kitchen hours for our carryout, so 11 to 9 and then 11 to 10.. As soon as the kitchen.

L

Closes the carryout doesn't need to be open, so our packet side closes at that time. Also.

H

Any other questions.

A

If you say that gentleman is a character witness, yes, he is. Would you like to state your name and.

A

Address for the record and tell us anything, you want good or bad about her. Yes, my name is shane.

J

Dthorne d e, I t h, o r n. I live at 5353 buffalo road, mount airy maryland two one, seven, seven one.

J

I live on. The carroll county side across the street is frederick county, so I am a.

J

Carroll county resident and I've known faith basically about six years and always find her.

J

Is a good decent, honest person and never seen any anything bad about her or any? You know, she's.

J

Always very professional: in her there we go work, environment and yeah. Everyone up here loves her.

A

I'm bad about her nope, except I'm at the restaurant way too much.

A

You say you've known her for about six years. Yes, with six years, I live right. I'm I'm just right.

J

Down the road from yeah, how often do you frequent the establish, uh usually twice a week yeah? We do.

J

Trivia on wednesday nights and yeah, maybe football on sundays, and it's a nice family, restaurant and.

J

Yeah, I know the owners, I know vanessa and max very well known them for years and how long have.

A

You lived on buffalo road, oh 22 years, I've been binary for 27. I've been on buffalo road for 22.

A

Rory moore mean anything to either one of you no.

L

Cannot say the thing on buffalo road is you're, spread out from your neighbors. You don't it's.

J

Not like a residential neighborhood, you know your nearest neighbors, a couple hundred yards away and.

A

Roy moore and his partner.

A

Started the establishment? Okay, oh at vanessa's, yeah.

L

There's quite a few I mean gosh, it's gone back to so many the barnes corner.

L

And then oh, this is a long time ago. Oh, that's way before my time, foreign.

A

Good steaks really good steaks, yeah, we've heard a lot of stories and the best country.

A

Ham sandwich you could get anywhere when he and his partner started well, we'll.

L

Have to bring that menu back, I'm no spring chicken. So it's a long time a long time ago.

A

Any other questions of yes, sir: the application.

A

Inspector, do you have any comments to make? No, I mean every time I talk to faith everything's.

B

Worked out well, I think she'd make a bit improper person to hold a liquor license.

A

Still out the taylorsville for several months, but do you still have outdoor area.

A

There, yes, we do. We have a patio area, we probably get about 40.

L

To 60 people that are out there that are out on the patio.

A

Is there no other questions comments.

A

Commisers, you need to discuss the situation any further and make a decision so.

C

Mr chairman, I have a few comments uh in in the discussion portion of this hearing.

C

Vanessa's corner has a very good reputation where I live. I live down eldersburg, okay. I.

C

Have lots of friends that go there often and I've never heard anything bad about how it's run.

C

Or anything else, so that's good. Our inspector indicates that there are no violations for.

C

Selling to minors, which is again shows a well-run establishment, and it looks like.

C

From your testimony that you have a large part and how that restaurant is run and.

C

I'm impressed by your testimony that you are a fit and qualified person to be on the license.

C

And your character, witness just reinforces that, and you also have the the thumbs up.

C

Approval of mr keith benfer, who carries a lot of weight with this. uh This group of folks up here.

C

um So um I would be uh interested in comments of my fellow commissioners and.

C

Following that, I would make a motion if it's appropriate. Mr chairman.

A

Mister, do you have any comments questions I I appreciate commissioner barnhart's view.

D

On vanessa, as I'm not familiar with it personally, but I that holds a lot of water here as well as.

D

You know inspector benfer um just based on again your testimony and the testimony of your character.

D

Witness I feel pretty confident that you'll make sure that everything is followed. The way it's.

D

Supposed to and that establishment, so I that's all the comments that I have I'd be prepared to make.

C

A motion, mr chairman, I would be happy if you did so. I move that in the case of 6416, which is the.

C

Application to replace the resident licensee mark chirima with the applicant faith, a brino.

C

um I move that we approve of that application and um a move. We approved the application.

D

I will second that motion unless it's been properly baited in second, at.

A

This board approved the application to replace the resident licensee mark gerima with faith a burrito.

A

Weight class bc, beer wine and liquor license with catering to be issued to faithabrino for the use.

A

Of j and p pizza liberty, road llc trading, as vcp vanessa's corner pub located at 2600 west liberty.

A

Road westminster, maryland 21157 in alexi district 9.. Is there any further discussion on the motion.

A

Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye, aye opposed no, so woodard. Congratulations.

A

Best wishes, thank you, keep up the good work. Thank you thank you, and we applaud you for.

A

Being certified before you actually came before this morning in my file.

B

Is that a copy? Yes, it is okay, yep. Thank you all very much. Good luck! Thank you. You have a good day.

A

At this time, this board will take a 10 minute recess again.

A

Okay, we're back in session this time. I would ask our attorney mr dixon, the.

A

Call k6417, please all right, k-64-17, an application for the transfer of a.

G

Class, a beer, wine and liquor license to be issued to benny r kirkner and.

G

Patel for the use of hr ventures, llc trading as total discount liquors 1438 liberty.

G

Road suite 10 eldersburg maryland 21784 in election district, five.

G

In the file, this is in the file this matter, we have the following documents:.

G

A september 30th, 2022 notice, public hearing for this case.

G

um Letter from india, phillips revenue examiner 3 to the board.

G

September 23rd 2022 there's a notice of public hearing. For this case. There is a response to.

G

Joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from lisa staley health.

G

Department, the above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

G

There's a response to joe vance's.

G

Memo to various state and local agencies from belinda gazelle collections office.

G

The above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

G

Is september 12 2022 letter from joe vance to mr.

G

Ronald carr revenue, specialist comptroller of the treasury.

G

And then there's the application foreign.

G

Includes character, references.

G

Workers, comp insurance, see just information driving record sdat information, a lease agreement.

G

Corporate information.

G

Manager resolution.

G

Membership certificates, financial information stocks- I would ask that the file be entered.

G

In evidence we'll accept that into evidence at this time, I would ask all those who would.

A

Tend to testify in this case, we stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

F

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

F

Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth. Thank you all may be seated.

A

Mr attorney, you may proceed please thank you very much for the record j brooks.

M

Leahy delaney leahy, curtis and brophy appearing on behalf of the applicants.

M

My first witness will be mr patel, who is seated beside me to my right forward, bears with me.

M

As a preliminary matter and to speed things up, since I know you have another hearing.

M

I have three exhibits. What I'd like to do is have them they're already pre-marked. I.

M

Would like to just give them to the board now so that we have them and we can move along a.

M

Little faster, rather than I do this three times I'll, do it once? Thank you very much.

M

Okay, mr patel, would you please state your name and address sure metallace patel, 8615, andrew.

N

Ellicott court ellicott city 21043, and how long have you lived at that address um about.

M

Five months: okay, and how old are you, mr patel, 33 years? Are you a citizen of the united states? Yes,.

M

um What's your connection to hr ventures llc the applicant um I own, the company, okay and.

M

Are there any other owners of the company? uh No? uh Actually, mr ben? Yes, mr ben cartner, kirkner, okay,.

N

um He owns class a uh one of the shares on the class a and then I own, the rest. Okay and.

M

The one share he owns of class a represents 10 percent of the voting stock. Okay and how did.

M

He obtain that 10 interest, um he he paid five thousand dollars for it and he bought it from.

M

You yes, okay! Now at this point, I'd like to show you what we have already marked, as exhibit one.

M

And ask if you can identify what is exhibit one. This is a check mr kirkner wrote to me for buying.

N

In the class, a boarding share okay, and I'm now showing you what we have pre-marked, as exhibit.

M

Two and ask you if you can identify what is exhibit two. This is a deposit into my personal.

N

Account for that share for that check, and you printed this off your phone. You did a mobile.

M

Deposit, yes, so this five thousand dollar check was deposited into your bank of america. Okay,.

M

Very good, I would move into evidence, exhibit one and two we'll accept that. Thank you very much.

M

Now, are you a party to an asset purchase agreement with spirit shop inc for the.

M

Purchase of this business total discount liquors. Yes, uh the agreement has been filed with your.

M

Application, as exhibit 11., is that correct. Yes, okay um were the buyers rights in that.

M

Agreement assigned to a limited liability company, as was permitted in the agreement, and who was it.

M

Assigned to hr winters, okay, so hr ventures is the current purchaser of that liquor store. Yes, okay,.

M

um Those hr ventures have a lease for the location where total discount liquors is operated.

M

In eldersburg, yes, okay, and who is the assignee of that lease who's, the current lessee the tenant. Mr.

M

um Spirit shop but you've hr ventures: your company is taking the assignment of that lease yeah. Once.

N

This is approved, and once you sell okay, yes, now is exhibit three to the liquor license. Is.

M

That a copy of the original lease and also the assignment of the lease to hr ventures.

M

Who are the officers of hr ventures? um Mitulation myself and mr benny.

N

Kirkner and what's your office, uh I'm the president he's the vice president. Okay.

M

um Now, just a general question is the information contained in the liquor license application which.

M

We filed, and that you signed is that, true to the best of your knowledge, information and beliefs,.

M

Okay, now I want I want to to tell the board a little bit about your background and experience.

M

um Where were you born in india, and when did you move to the united states.

M

um 2010 2010 so 12 years ago, why did you move to the united states um just college education.

M

Okay, what college did you attend? um I went to kennesaw state university. That's down in.

N

Georgia, that's in georgia, is that in the atlanta area- yes, okay, did you graduate from kennesaw.

M

State university: yes, and what degree did you obtain from kennesaw state university? um I have.

N

A business administration bachelor's in business administration, with the concentration finance, okay,.

M

um Have you been involved in working in retail establishments during the time you've been in.

M

The u.s yes pretty much we're hap. Can you tell the board what different retail establishments.

M

That you've worked at um from coffee shops to um big box retail, like staples.

N

Cell phone providers sprint: okay! Well, let's start with staples when you.

M

When you graduate, when you graduated from college, where did you that, where did you first work.

N

um I was still working at staples when I graduated okay and what was your position.

N

At staples I was a technology manager for them: okay and fixing computers, fixing computers. How.

M

Long did you work at staples um a little over two years? I believe, okay and when you left staples.

M

Where did you then work? um I started working for sprint as a assistant, corporate store manager, okay,.

M

And were you subsequently promoted to store manager? Yes, and uh when did you leave sprint.

N

2000 um 18: okay: um what did you do next in terms of employment or or business pursuits after you.

M

Left sprint, I was interested into owning my own business, so I started working at a friend's place.

N

At a convenience store, which I wanted to kind of purchase that did not work out so I started my own.

N

Company in 2018, some sometime in the summer, along with my wife, so okay, what did this new company do?.

M

We import uh packaged foods, indian traditional foodstuff, my in-laws brand that we import into.

N

The united states- and we we wholesale okay, so your family in india owns a store that owns a.

M

Business that produces indian food, snack food so forth and you import them now. Are you the sole.

M

Importer for that in the united states- yes, okay and um but you you're a wholesaler. So you you.

M

Sell to distributors- or that is correct, okay, and are you still operating that business? Yes,.

M

um There came a time when you decided to move to maryland. Why did you decide to move to maryland.

M

um Family uh family over and um I wanted to get into the liquor retail business so.

N

And then we are also starting a new family, so I wanted to be closer. Okay, a new family.

N

Meaning you, your wife is yeah you're, expecting a babysitter okay. um So um upon moving to maryland.

M

um Did you work in a family liquor store to get the feel of the business? Yes, how long did you work.

M

It's about five months, okay and whose liquor store was it that you worked at.

M

uh Bob and patel okay, and is he related to you? Yes, he's my uncle and where is.

M

The liquor store that you work at it's in laurel, okay, laurel, maryland, okay,.

M

M

Did there come a time when you found out about the total discount liquors and made the decision to.

M

Purchase that yes, okay and we've already submitted the agreement, which is part of the record.

M

Yes, okay, um I'm going to show you what we have marked as exhibit three and ask if.

M

You can identify what that is. This is the tam's certificate for the alcohol abundance. Okay, so you.

M

Took this course when, first off august, okay and why'd- you take this course um just to familiarize.

N

Myself with the process- and you know just to get a little trained up on- I should be surfing. Okay,.

M

um How active do you expect to be in the business of total discount liquors full time.

M

Do you anticipate hiring some of the current employees that are at the business now all.

M

You plan on hiring all of them if they'll come absolutely okay,.

M

How many current employees at the business are tam or tip certified? All of them.

M

How many total employees will there be at total discount liquors um about 10 or 12. and when.

M

You hire new employees, will you be requiring that they are tam and tip certified? Absolutely.

M

Will you have any programs in place to encourage carting for alcohol sales.

M

And tell the board what you plan to do. You do plan to have something in place as far as maybe.

N

A 200 gift cards for actively carting a cadet or something that's and you're, aware that there's.

M

An active program I said cadets and I found out that that was wrong, but there are active.

M

Program in carroll, county liquor, inspectors come around with underage folks and absolutely and if.

M

You're successful you're told about it yeah, so you plan on rewarding your successful employees.

M

um What will mr kirkner's role be in this new business um he's? I I would like for him to be.

N

At least be at the store every once in a while to just to check up on things and make sure.

N

Everything's running as per they should and he's close by is that right? Yes, because he.

M

Has other businesses right close to where total discount liquors are okay? Okay, uh that's all.

M

The questions I have of mr patel, mr, what will be your policy on vertical license? Not accepting it.

D

Do you have a threshold on carding? Are you required everyone or your card at a certain.

D

Age, I believe um everything everyone that did not seem to be uh that seem to be under 35. I believe.

N

Or my certification codes, so the current employees that are there now so there's about 10 of those.

D

Employees going to be offered positions to stay, or you want to have new employees.

N

um From what I know, they are all going to stay so there's employees that are staying. I see.

D

You had a violation and said not you personally, the store had a violation in september of 2018.

D

um Do you know what steps were taken to make sure that didn't happen again? Is that something.

D

That you're privy to that information or if that person is still there, I'm not aware about this.

N

How about the signage in the store are there yeah there's a calendar at every pos station.

N

With the dates, and then the system itself tells you, you have the no vertical license posters.

D

I believe so yeah and the staff actually knows about that for sure. That's all I have right now.

A

So how long have you been involved with alcohol sales.

N

um About five months you mentioned, you worked at a convenience store, did.

N

I was in georgia, yes, that was down in georgia in maryland. It's been about five months and.

N

A couple years back that was about six months, georgia did have alcohol at convenience stores.

N

It did have alcohol yeah, just beer and wine, or liquor uh just beer and wine. Just beer wine.

A

In your reward program, you said was about two hundred dollars. Yes,.

H

Mr heavy comments, I read the moment.

D

Let's add another: will you have um like a training program in-house and then have them sign.

D

Paperwork, and will you do that with the current employees with your new rules? Yes,.

N

I did not plan on changing anything.

C

I may have mrs mr patel um hr ventures. Llc.

C

As you say, has two officers? Yes, your president and mr curtner is vice president. Yes, sir.

C

Have you ever been on a liquor license before any other jurisdiction? No.

A

Other questions, mr leahy, you may proceed okay um at this time, I'd like to have.

M

Mr patel's uh character witnesses testify, I know. Typically, you allow them to do it from.

M

The audience is that okay or yeah they can come up here or there is a gentlemen. Do you want to.

M

Come up here and you can sit down beside those you've. uh You've both been sworn already. Yes,.

M

um Mr patel, let me start with you: would you tell the state your name and address for the.

M

Board yeah, my name is bhavin patel and address is 1421 heritage, ridge, road, woodbine, maryland.

O

Okay and how long have you known, um I'm gonna call him mickey batel. How long have you known.

M

Mr patel 33 years, and are you related to him as well? Yes, my nephew he's your nephew.

M

And are you the one that actually had the liquor store where he worked for four or five months.

M

Over in laurel, yes, do you feel he's a fit and proper person to have a liquor license absolutely.

M

I have no more questions of this witness.

C

I haven't okay, um mr shaw. Yes, uh would you please state your name and address for the record sure.

K

My name is rakesh kumar shah. My address is 3804 head play code, glenn elk, maryland 21737.

M

And how long have you known, mr patel, I know him since last eight years: okay, do.

M

You believe he's a fit and proper person to have a liquor license. Yes, he I have no more.

M

Questions of this witness, I have no questions. I have no questions. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

M

Mr curtner, if you would come up no, he mr kirkner can sit over there.

H

Sit over here first thing mickey did was devote me from president. The first thing he did was george.

M

um Would you please state your name and address for the record benny curtner, 1208, nottingham road.

P

Westminster maryland 21157: are you a currently associated with spirit shop inc which trades.

M

Is total discount liquors? I am and what's your connection to that company president.

M

And how long have you been involved at spirit shop.

M

30 years, okay, and are you yourself involved in managing or overseeing the total discount.

M

Liquors operation yes and you're, actually on the license, for that, are you not? I am okay.

M

um What's your ownership interest in this new venture hr ventures, llc 10 shares we're.

P

10 voting or yes, 10 voting one share, and what did you pay for this 10 interest? Five thousand dollars.

M

Now is the information in the application for the liquor license that you signed is that information.

M

All true and accurate, it is okay and going forward. What will be your involvement once the sales.

M

Completed you and spirit shops no longer owns it. Hr does what will be your involvement in total.

M

Discount liquors, initially I'll, be there quite a bit during the holidays, just to make sure they're.

P

Up to speed, but our staff is senior the general manager is there now 22 years the store managers.

P

10 years most of our clerks are senior been there years so and they're all tam certified and they.

P

Don't take a lot of management but mickey's going to work full-time there and I'm going to come.

P

Through well I'll, be there every day, I'm going to go through the store every day. This is hard.

M

Okay, I have no further questions than mr curtner.

D

Questions I have no questions um just one, um mr curtner, you will also be the landlord. I.

C

Used to be the landlord okay, you sold your uh interest in that sold this shopping center. Yes,.

C

I have no questions.

M

Thank you. Thank you. um That would be our presentation.

M

um I have about a 20-minute final argument, but I'm thinking it's not necessary, but I'll. Just.

M

Say that I think mr patel is certainly fit and proper. uh It's been a very successful.

M

Ongoing business he's inheriting um and we'll employ the the senior folks there. So I think.

M

It's a real good thing for the community. We would ask that the license be granted.

H

Commissioners, comments or questions before we.

H

I'm sorry did you say any further questions. Yes, if you have any further questions or comments before.

A

We move on. Do not I'll, just ask the inspector if he has any comments he wants to offer to the board.

C

No, I mean we talked about the one violation and but other than that they passed 11 times.

B

um I think, just you know sounds like he's, gonna be fit and proper and we were to keep a check on them.

C

Further questions, if you have any questions.

A

This time testimony is closed. uh Sister leahy we can. We can shorten the the closing.

A

Statement from what you commented, if you would like, if you like any other comments,.

A

That was my closing statement being facetious. When I said it was 20 minutes, it's 20 seconds.

A

Well, I was at event about two weeks ago where there was a supposedly.

A

Facetious statement that the speaker was going to take an hour and 25 minutes.

A

The speaker took an hour and 25 wow so anyway,.

A

If there are no closing statements, you have no further comments: inspector nope, okay, testimony.

A

And evidence is closed and now we will decide as a commission the merits of the application.

A

And come to a decision, hopefully oh, mr chairman, I have a few comments.

C

um Initially, I want to start out by saying that I'm very familiar with this store.

C

I live in eldersburg and have for many years in this tour.

C

Has a very good reputation in the community very good reputation.

C

um And it uh from my experience is very well run always has been, and uh I'm expecting that.

C

Mr kirkner would not bring anybody in to take over the mantle if they weren't quite capable.

C

Of continuing that type of outstanding operation, so uh those are my personal thoughts in connection.

C

With the actual application of these gentlemen, I think they're clearly both fit and proper people.

C

To have and hold a liquor license in carroll county.

C

And I I look forward to hearing from my fellow commissioners on this year.

H

Information, I agree with mr barnhart. The presentation was full and and everything we.

D

Wanted to know, um I appreciate your due diligence in getting certified prior to the hearing, and I.

D

Agree with commissioner barnhart that you do seem like fit and proper people to hold a license in.

D

This county, I would be prepared to make a motion if it's agreeable with a chairman. It's agreeable.

A

With the chairman, please do so regarding case 6417, an application for the transfer of a class.

D

A beer one and liquor license to be issued to benny r, kirkner and mythalesh patel for the.

D

Use of hr ventures, llc trading as total discount liquors 148, 1438 liberty, road suite, 10, eldersburg.

D

Maryland 21784 and a lesson district five. I notion that we approve this license a second admission.

A

Mrs you have heard the proper motion and seconding as presented. Is there any further discussion on.

A

The motion hearing- none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye, opposed no order. Congratulations.

A

Best wishes for continuing success, and I don't know whether this sounds like a.

A

Semi retirement for one of the applicants, but knowing what I just learned that the.

A

He sold the shopping center. Maybe he's a ready to take it a little bit easy because he's been.

A

Quite successful for many years, congratulations and best wishes. Thank you. So much staff is at.

A

Your disposal, if you have any questions or any uh thing you would like to know.

A

Please don't let us take the call, mr lee. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck to you all. Thank you.

M

Got out with a minute to spare yeah.

N

Show your pictures- okay, I assume this is uh k6415.. This is this is the last picture has.

B

Okay, he is already out there really for the one right here right, yep, that one.

A

It's time I would ask mr dixon if he will call case 6415, please all right case, 6415, a class.

G

B, beer, wine and liquor license issued to daniel shulman and van battelle for the use of accurate 2.

G

Llc trading as canara indian cuisine, 5957 exchange, drive, eldersburg, maryland 21784 violation here.

G

Hearing failure to abide by rules, 22 26, 35 and 52 of the rules and regulations of the carroll.

G

County board of licensed commissioners in the file this matter, we have the following documents:.

G

G

Of notice of hearing signed august 15, 2022.

G

Violation of the rules and regulations of the board of licensed commissioner rule 52 display.

G

Of license rule 22 hours of operation, rule 26, licensee, responsible route, 35 cooperation.

G

uh The complaint is signed by inspector keith. Benfer is.

G

August 15 2022 letter from joe vance to daniel schulman and bob ben patel.

G

I would ask that the file be entered into evidence, we'll accept that into evidence.

A

At this time, I would ask all those who intend to testify at this case.

A

We stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance. I said, I'm sure.

F

The penalt perjury that you're about to give us to give his truth and nothing, but the truth.

A

You may be seated, and may I remind you of that before you testify and called upon the first.

A

Time, please state your name and address and spell your last name for the record. Please.

A

Inspector benfer, you are going to present the case. Please proceed inspector keith, benfer.

B

Warrior licensed commissioners on july 26 2022 at approximately 11 a.m. I completed an inspection, a.

B

Canara, indian crew cuisine restaurant located at 5957 exchange boulevard, ellensburg, maryland.

B

I found two violations while I did an inspection first violations, failure to post a license.

B

And ferry approached the second violation and ferry to post the hours of operations.

B

Both failures are violations of rules and regulations of boyer licensed. Commissioner.

B

I spoke spoke with emmanuel vaz general manager. He stated he would fix both violations within a week.

B

On august 8 2022, I went to canara indian cuisine restaurant to check on the violations.

B

Near the violations was fixed. Mr vaz was not at the restaurant at this time.

B

I told an employee to fix the violations.

B

He stated that they need to get a frame for the license to hang the license on the wall.

B

On august, 12 2022 again went to canary indian cuisine restaurant to check on the violations.

B

I spoke with panab aker. He stated he had not gotten the frame for the license.

B

He did not know the status of posting of the of the hours.

B

Baker I stated that licensee for vampire patel.

B

Was back in india and when he gets back to violations should be fixed.

B

Miss mr vaz was not. The general manager was not at the restaurant at that time, either.

B

I have two pictures I like to enter. Excuse me, correction, three pictures.

B

Like to enter as evidence, I did show the pictures to.

B

The first picture is a picture of a restaurant without the license post.

B

Without the hours posted and the next two pictures are the hours posted and.

B

On august 15th 2022, I went to serve the paperwork in reference to violations.

B

um When I went there, both the license was posted on the wall and the hours of.

B

Operation was posted next to the front door. um During conversation I have with mr patel.

B

Father, who was who my father yeah his father had passed away in india? That's the reason he was.

B

Out of the country throughout this incident they were all plate and cooperative. All his employees.

A

So, what what are, what again, are the four violations all right, the first violation.

B

Life license 50 violation 52, just by your license, a license is supposed to be displayed at all times.

B

Under glass in a conspicious manner, 22 hours of operation license is supposed.

B

To display the hours of operations outside for the public to see licensed, responsible.

B

There's we require to take some kind of actions if I advise them and and.

B

They should cooperate with in the cooperation like violation 35. They should cooperate with.

B

The government agencies at which they didn't cooperate when I asked them to do something.

C

Mr bedford, when you spoke to the licensee, the licensee, uh I guess this is on august 15th when.

C

You went back to the uh restaurant. Did you speak to licensee at that time? No I've. We.

Q

Spoke with the phone okay yeah, I spoke. Excuse me. I said this big spoke to him over the phone.

C

um Did he tell you whether or not he was aware of what was going on while he was in india.

B

I don't recall in that conversation, I don't recall that.

A

Any questions inspector benford christine so when you spoke to the general manager did.

D

He give you the impression that he was the person that should have fixed that. Yes, okay,.

C

The general manager's name is.

B

And hopefully I'm emmanuel vaz, yes manuel yes, so he's basically he's not a general.

Q

Manager he's just like front end, my name is patel. Address is 14719 lyric or glenelg maryland 21737.

B

He was the first person when I did the first inspection. Yes, so he was president over there like.

Q

You know right and then, uh as I say, like there's no excuse on july 3rd, I got a phone call from back.

Q

Home and then my mom just called me uh that I just imagine or just major stroke like you know,.

Q

Heart attack and just like, why are we talking the phone like you know, just I just left the.

Q

Country on july 3rd- and we came back after like almost a month like you know me, and my brother and.

Q

Then uh during that time I did not constantly communicating with my restaurant or any other.

Q

Businesses, like you know so, basically without it, was pretty shocked for all my family, like you.

Q

Know just like it, something just happened back home and it was used to me and my brother, like.

Q

You know we both have different businesses, but we just focus on with my mother. uh It's been my dad.

Q

Has been my mother for the last 46 years, you know the suddenly. He just left. You know just trying to.

Q

Feel that hole like you know, because uh that's that's that's it like you know, then I came back.

Q

And I heard about this other violation, like you know, about the liquor, a liquor board. I had some.

Q

Other uh the other restaurant as well. This restaurant is a lot of thing going on making.

Q

Back and forth, you know trying to do one thing at a time, and this thing should be taken care within.

Q

Like no excuse, like you know, like personal, we hold the person accountable, it's just a matter of frame.

Q

Just getting a frame and hang the license on the board, like you know, so I don't know how hard is.

Q

That for my employer to figure that out, but I think that's what we're dealing with like you.

Q

Know so we have all this uh conversation with my other employee, like we are just the one-on-one.

Q

We did that simple conversation, something like this make sure to be implemented right away. You.

Q

Cannot wait for me to get involved like something like you know, licensing or like checking ids and.

Q

That kind of stuff, like you know, but that this is where it is like you know it's like me, and my I'm.

Q

Back and forth back and back and forth ocean city in my home odenton, because my mom lives in ocean.

Q

City, so I usually most almost like a month and a half, almost I'm just going back and forth like you.

Q

Know but this thing was brought to me like when mr keith uh just called me over the phone like you.

Q

Know I said like guys, this is just a nice cues for you guys to just go, buy a 10 frame or I didn't you.

Q

Know because of the at least just had to display the license on the wall right there without the.

Q

Frame, it is visible, like you know, but there's no excuse. Like you know, I'm saying I apologize.

Q

Like this, this is the first time happen, but make sure this won't be happening anymore. I'm taking.

Q

Care of day-to-day operation for both location and then, uh as I said, like you know, it's just.

Q

Honest mistake, like you know, and then that's uh they're not supposed to call me during this.

Q

Time anyway, because it's like uh my phone was uh switched off back home, like you know just I wasn't.

Q

Communicating constant communication with them at all, like you know, so it's just like shock for me.

Q

And my brother, both of us, like you know we just back home, just trying to go through this uh thing.

Q

For our family, like you know what involvement does daniel schumann have in the restaurant, so.

Q

Danielle, just like he comes in like you know, he doesn't come like every day he's like maybe.

Q

Once a month like he basically comes out, like you know, just check on us just sit down sometime like.

Q

If I need any help, even he has some modalities going as well he's also ill. uh He has a kidney.

Q

uh He has to go to dialysis right now, he's on the list to get a replacement of his kidney as well. So.

Q

I'm not asking him too much to do for me right now. Like you know, when I'm gone, I should have hey. Can.

Q

You just keep on and all that, but it just sounded like you know, like 1 30 in the afternoon I got a.

Q

Phone call- and I just left the same july 3rd on the holiday evening. I just left right away like.

Q

You know so I had no so yeah so did um the people that you left in charge of the restaurant did they.

C

Try to reach out to daniel shulman because they couldn't do the review. No, they hated. They did not.

C

They understand he's on their license. Yeah they do they do, but uh they have. They had no air of.

Q

That, like they shouldn't know, but uh they are not, if they're not getting five dollar frame like you.

Q

Know my president, I don't know it's like there's no way. They're gonna, call schumann and tell them.

Q

Do that as well, like you know, it was my apology, like you know, basically it's just a simple mistake.

Q

And uh I take a responsibility further but make sure from now on. Nothing will just happen because.

Q

I'm the I'm looking day-to-day operation like you know, this thing happens from like you know,.

Q

It's like a death and family. You know it just like happens. You know it's like suddenly like.

Q

You know that is only 73 year old and just like perfectly healthy man, like you know, I don't know.

Q

Just in our condolences, thank you, sir appreciate it. um You say you have another restaurant where.

C

Is that located? Oh, it's in the clarksville maryland. It's called mint indian cuisine.

C

And how much time do you spend so two restaurants, so both pretty much both restaurants out they'll.

Q

Be open at 12 o'clock over there, so I usually there like for three four hours over there in.

Q

The morning then, I come here like four o'clock. We open four to like six seven eight in the evening.

Q

uh During the weekend, weekends I'm pretty much here living breathing in our pretty.

Q

Much the big friday saturday sunday and I think canara is closed from 2 30 to 4.. We.

Q

Close at 2 30 in the afternoon till four and aft until four now now for dinner, dinner rush, yeah.

C

um I I've I have peeked in you've done a very nice job. Thank you, sir. I mean I.

C

Haven't dined there yet, but it certainly is a very attractive restaurant. Thank you.

C

C

uh Mr the the general manager baz mr vaz man, emmanuel.

C

Where was he employed before you employ him, so he used to work for 7-eleven uh gas station, but.

Q

In previously, before kobe, he used to work for me at the mint in clarksville. He was my full-time.

Q

And after quarterback I had to let couple of my full-time employees, not let go by so you know.

Q

You know work like two days or maybe one days and during that time, 7-eleven some other places.

Q

Looking for full-time help, so I said you know what I'm not holding you if you want to go work for.

Q

Them you can more than welcome so he went there and then, when we started the new project, kinara.

Q

Asked him to if you want to join my crew, because we, even during that time, cover time like you know,.

Q

We're looking for good help and these guys are professional but like, as I say, right now, run.

Q

Follow-Up things, that's not that thing, I guess you know, and then I just say like just one one month.

Q

And a half that just kind of pushed me behind of all this uh thing, like you know, but that's but.

Q

He should know he should know like you know. Well you say he should know why. What makes you think.

C

He should know based on his past history, when we work for you in clarksville, perhaps yeah it didn't.

Q

Work for carson yeah, he did work for clarksville and then we had liquor license over there as well.

Q

Like you know, for howard county, like you know, and then everything display on the big, uh because my.

Q

Impression his impression was: maybe I want to order the big like uh 20 by 30, big frame and.

Q

It's going to be all the license is going to go on that, like you know, maybe that's what impression.

Q

Was but I thought, like you know what that's what we have at the other place. You know. Maybe that's.

Q

What he's waiting for the big frame, but I said we can still go by its individual frame and put him.

Q

On display, like you know, and that's what that's what I did like you know and then the putting the.

Q

Matter of fact, just putting small piece of paper putting in the like stick something outside the.

Q

Building, like you know, so he said it doesn't look good because, like restaurants, like you.

Q

Know I said then order for amazon, like you know something we can order some original. You know so.

Q

Our display, like all the online google posts, are facebook page all all the hours has been posted.

Q

On our website and everything but yeah matter of fact, mr keith came to our restaurant that they.

Q

Should be displayed for the customer to see it outside of building as well, like you know, yeah.

C

um Do you have a copy of our rules, regulations at the restaurant? Yes, sir, always to refer to.

Q

If you're, not there, yes, sir, are you you're familiar with me, I'm familiar with? Yes, sir? Yes,.

Q

Mr keith, I came like first time we opened, the restaurant was not open. He explained me some.

Q

Rules in the regulation when I was there like you know what I'm appreciate like you know, it's.

Q

Like uh also, we had uh the id like uh vertical and horizontal, like you know, the that also be.

Q

Educated on that as well, like you know, so I think that really appreciated, like you know,.

C

How many people are employed at panera canara? We have currently right now we have 12 full-timers.

Q

And then ours, so basically not including myself, like 12 full-timers plus weekend, we had like.

Q

So we're looking like 16 people, 16, employee and how's, the restaurant doing right now so.

Q

Far, it's not not bad, because last few months like uh up and down because like uh people.

Q

Still, finding out we're still there, uh we are not doing too much in. uh We are not screaming.

Q

Too much all over the place, like you know, like uh his word, is a month everything right now and the.

Q

County is pretty supportive, like you know, like, uh as I say like it's, it's going well like you.

Q

Know it's it's! It's gonna pick up from next three months. That's where, as a season starts from now on.

Q

Until february so we'll see the huge difference we'll be going down down the road like you know,.

A

How long have you been open uh since june 3rd, sir, since june 30th june 3rd june 3rd yeah, the first.

A

Stop by was when july, what.

A

uh 26Th july 26th and the license had not been displayed for a month and a half correct.

F

He didn't have his license when he first opened.

Q

Because they don't receive it because uh we have, uh though, what's called a. We had conditional thing.

Q

Like for a weekend or something like that, so uh there's a there's, a plumbing or some.

Q

Not plumbing but there's the farm rochester has to come and check the door push bar and.

Q

All that so I think that's the reason was like uh was pushed back a little bit like you know,.

Q

It was not come to me until I think miss uh major like uh she knows, like uh I think, came.

Q

Right after I don't know what day was it, but I think it was not on june 3rd, like you know,.

F

Yeah he got his license on the 14th of june.

A

It was still over a month yeah, it is that's a year. So there's there's no excuse, like you know,.

Q

The license was on the folder right there and I told him at least just displayed license without.

Q

Frame like you know, but, as I say like you know, just like and then june 3rd, I got the news and.

Q

I just had left the country for almost a month and a half like you know and then uh no. I would.

Q

Say a month have, I would say, almost a month like you know, but I'm back and forth. I was not even present at the restaurant that time at all, like you know, because mom was kind of.

Q

Like you know, she's with my brother right now, ocean pine maryland, so I was constantly back and.

Q

Forth like hour, two hours drive every day, like you know, just see yeah. So that explains some things.

C

Right but of course, as you know, right it doesn't, excuse things, it's not. I know I know businesses, it.

C

Helps us to understand right why things happened as they did right right, as I said, for moving along.

Q

Like you know, as I say, I'm we have responsible person now over there uh he's gonna, be follow-up.

Q

He's going to follow for both restaurants, we hire the manager for both rational for compliance and.

Q

All kind of stuff, so he's he's taking care of all the compliance he's taking care of the both.

Q

Counties, like you know, howard, county and carroll county, so he's doing everything he can like you.

Q

Know, and also I'm looking after everything as well, like you know as owner yeah so and you.

C

Understand that, theoretically, our inspector could have charged you each for each time he walked in.

C

There- and there was a violation he right, but he didn't. I appreciate that there are multiple.

C

Charges that legally he could have presented to us right. I really appreciate mr keith, let you know.

C

um I mean he's, he usually uses that kind of sense. You know that he tries to work. I.

C

Don't want to speak before you, but all right. The board and our inspector does try to work with our.

C

Licensees, but this um this case that's presented this morning first time, I've seen a case like this.

C

Where I've seen it's like violation, multiple requests to correct a violation right and the.

C

Inspector did not charge you right and it didn't get corrected on multiple occasions and that's to.

C

Me that's very unusual. This is a first impression for me, this kind of case, that's how I told the.

Q

Guys the shame on me, like you, know that not to follow up with them like you know, but I said like.

Q

Just it should be displayed right away, but the impression was for on their head. It was like big.

Q

Frame gonna come and you know, stick everything on it. That's what it's it's an excuse, but I'm saying.

Q

That's where that's that's what we displayed at the other location, that's what they're looking.

Q

For but as I say like you know, everything's been displayed right now, like you know, they should be.

Q

Done like day first, when we got the license uh it just uh neglected, I don't know why or there's.

Q

Other things too, because the during the during since we opened like all those waves and waves.

Q

The customer coming in, like you know, like brand new restaurants, so everyone checking us out like.

Q

You know basically so we're kind of so much busy taking care of customer like not focusing on some.

Q

Other things like you know, but since new, but now everything's settled down after three months, we.

Q

Know how that everything we know what the flow is going to be. We know how the how we can handle our.

Q

Customers and all that stuff, you know so we're learning a lot and down the road. Like you know,.

Q

But I said, like you know, it's just honest mistake like you know, just like there's no excuse, but I'm.

Q

Saying, like you know, it's just a simple: it's just like uh you say that mr schuman comes in there.

C

So he comes in a month, yeah like because right now, I'm not bringing him too much because uh he's.

Q

A dialysis almost two three or two three times a week, uh are you still stopping into the restaurant.

Q

Still stopping yes, he is yep yep. And how do you know him uh he's my pos from other restaurants.

Q

From from howard county, he I know him from uh mint he's my he's taking care of my pos system.

Q

And all that over there too, so he's been he's been he's. He he know me since uh is that what.

Q

You mean he services, yeah services too sometime. He also like he's a good friend of mine as well.

D

So so you started to mention a little bit ago or you started to say that mr baz is not your.

D

General manager, so emmanuel is not a matter he's the front. End he's the front. I I don't like to.

Q

Give a title to my people when that went out to my employee, like you know whether you're a title is.

Q

Going to be over the head sometime, you know so he's just like a head person up front and he's.

Q

Taking care like uh he's a he, I don't call him in charge, but he's like he's a head person like you.

Q

Know he's follow up like when I'm not there. He should be following up on things like something.

Q

Runs out, he can go get it for me, like you know, he's my girl guy. Basically, you know so I don't.

Q

Like to give a title to anyone, no matter my chef, I don't give him a chef. I just call my name like.

Q

You know so in this industry. I learned a lot like you know. If you give him a title, they get they'll.

Q

Be over the head and they think, like you know they, they try to run the show and all that so.

Q

We're just like so in defense of a title right um had he known he was going to be responsible for.

D

Making sure all of this was fixed, it was the first visit. Do you think he would have? It sounds like.

D

On subsequent visits that there were people that didn't know what keith was talking about didn't I.

D

Get that impression I mean they knew what I was talking about. They they knew that needed to be.

B

Fixed they said they were going to fix it later that week on the second visit and then when I.

B

Showed up the third time, that's when I so so, maybe without like the manager, no one knows whose job it.

D

Is to fix that, but now they hold it responsible, we hold accountable. Now I said this is: what's going.

Q

To be from now on, you said you did hire someone to be a manager. Yes, so he's taking care of the.

D

Importance of yes, we need someone to because, god forbid, you would have another emergency. Yes,.

Q

Trying to hear me, I hope, not but yeah yeah for long time but yeah, but he he he's he's.

Q

Been taking care of both? Yes, I'm looking to do the operation now, like you know, both restaurants.

Q

I'm opening there closing here so, like you know, I'm just basically for next three months I'll be.

Q

Here every day, like you know like every evening, like you know like to touch all my customers when.

Q

I come in for door for four o'clock. I want to make sure everything's been taken care, like you know, as.

Q

I say like uh I'll be here, but it's like. We have a responsible person now for, like both restaurant.

Q

Now you know he's he's uh he's uh he's doing all the compliance issues and all this stuff, like you.

Q

Know you give him a book too yeah he got both. Are we educating him I'll, send a lot of videos.

Q

Make you look online? Also, I read off the article and the horizontal license uh because of the city.

Q

Of maryland and also state of pennsylvania, so he knows that as well like you know, and he also.

Q

Like uh what is called like tips uh save all the classes, he took the classes as well. Like you know,.

C

I missed benfer aside from from these two violations.

C

Did you look around the restaurant and feel comforted that other things everything else was.

B

Good and they passed everything else, um it was a good inspection. Besides those two violations.

A

A

The union inspections is what you have done right: yeah, no checks for sales and.

A

So forth, you know, have we checked them for they were closed? When I went to uh do it.

E

No, uh when I attempted to do a underage compliance, it was, it was in their closed.

E

Period between uh 2, 30 and 4 o'clock, so the establishment hasn't been checked yet.

A

Any other questions comments.

C

No um well, I guess it has the comment section or discussion section exercise.

B

No other comments, no other comments. You have any other comments. Final comments.

Q

No sorry, I say, like you know, just the honest mistake and this will be.

Q

Happening anymore, like you know, we'll be like um with 100 compliance by the county.

Q

And the liquor board, like you know, as I said like it's just uh one of the things like you know,.

Q

I don't take too much time, but things like, uh like my dad, worked so hard. Like you know, since 1988 we.

Q

Came to us, like you know with me, and my brother, four of us just came to us and, like you know,.

Q

Basically, it's american dream, like you know that owning businesses and all that, like you know, we.

Q

Went to school and all that, like you know, so he's he's happy that I see both of our brothers like.

Q

You know he's doing pretty well when he left I'm sure he has no, but I said, like you know it just.

Q

It just suddenly just happened like you know, just he's supposed to the other regret I had for myself.

Q

Like you know, we opened a restaurant in june 3rd and july 3rd. I got the news from my home within.

Q

One month he couldn't see my whole restaurant, which I built like he said. Like you know, sir.

Q

Said like he's looking inside, he built a nice restaurant. Like you know, I wish you could have.

Q

Seen that what I had done for this place, like you know, that's about it, like you know, it's like just.

Q

One month, if he would have come back he's coming back in the end of july, and he couldn't see the.

Q

Whole restaurant, like you know, but that's probably not meant to be- I guess you know, but uh but other.

Q

Than that, sir, you were going about a month almost like sir yeah almost a month, and I came back and.

Q

I was, I was with my with my brother ocean pine. He lives over there with my mom, so we brought.

Q

Her back, my mom came back with us and he he took it over there, so maybe sometimes, like you know,.

Q

Once at least once or twice a week actually go see my mom and I just stayed there for like a day or.

Q

Two over there, like you know, plus I have my daddy duty as well. I had to take care of my two kids and.

Q

Restaurant all that but everything's been resolved. Everything's worked out pretty good, plus.

Q

My dad accounts with policy there's a lot of stuff going on after we had to close a lot of.

Q

Stuff, like you know like uh so all the that policy and everything you know but, uh as I said, there's.

Q

No excuse everything's resolved now I'll, be fully focused on business now, and I want to make sure.

Q

This this restaurant will take you to the next level for the carroll county. Like you know, okay,.

H

Commissioners, well um I'll just uh offer a few brief comments.

C

Obviously, there are violations here, obviously you're you're, not contesting that the violations.

C

Occurred and as I indicated earlier for me at least this is a new set of violations.

C

Pattern that we see here, I really haven't seen this before so I'm thinking about how to handle it.

C

And I'm sure the other commissioners are as well and generally. What we do here, in my mind, is when a.

C

Licensee has a violation, I start off with a fine and then every time that violation gets.

C

Repeated if it does get repeated, we double that fund um generally. We think in terms of.

C

Selling to minors, when we do that because that's we see a lot of that as far as violations go but.

C

This is very different and in my mind I could see applying that same paradigm.

C

Where, if we came up with a number for your first violation and then doubled it in the next visit.

C

Double at the next visit and double the next visit, then you get into some some money. You know it's a.

C

It's like a compound interest how it grows um also looking at it from the human point of view, you.

C

Had a lot on your plate at this time and you're not offering excuses, but you you're, explaining.

C

How these things happened, and I appreciate that- and uh you know I I it's you know I.

C

Feel bad that you had to suffer a family tragedy and and deal with everything that goes with that.

C

At the same time, this is happening it's just. This is bad timing for you, and so I I think.

C

That you know, I suggest, to the rest of the board that that gets taken into account.

C

But there is a number of violations here. um I guess one could argue that some of these.

C

Violations are the lesser included, offense and other ones, but uh that's maybe that's for another.

C

Time, at any rate, those are my thoughts, uh mr chairman and commissioner, winning your comments.

D

um I agree with commissioner barnhart. The extenuating circumstances were beyond your.

D

Control, unfortunately, it sounds like the structure of your business. No one really knew what to do and.

D

That kind of was your downfall, unfortunately, that they didn't know how to take the lead, because, with.

D

The the acts of the employees and cooperating with keith, although I understand the violations.

D

Which were probably very frustrating to him for going there and not having them comply. I agree.

D

They may not have known they were supposed to comply, so it's kind of a catch-22, because your.

D

Employees are supposed to comply with keith, but I don't know that they knew their limit of how.

D

They should comply or when they should or what they could step over, to see to do without your.

D

Permission or without mr sherman's position right so unfortunately, I think that that, as I mentioned.

D

Earlier that whole structure of your business right failed you at that point right having people.

D

That weren't knowledgeable as what to do if there was a situation, you were not reachable right.

D

I would say that if there's a motion to be made, I would defer it to commissioner barnhart, who is.

D

More I'm newer to the board, and I wouldn't really know where to go with it, um because it looks like.

D

There's four violations here right um and, like I said, if you start with the base, fine and and go.

D

Up up on earth- and it's not like each one is in so they all get added together at the end right right.

D

um So I I'm not real, I don't know whether he wants to discuss or I I don't know where it.

D

Should go from there in that case, uh mr chairman, I would make a motion that we take a brief recess.

C

uh To discuss the uh evidence and testimony in the merits of the case.

A

Before I asked for a second on that, when uh mr patel, when did you first learn of this problem,.

Q

So when mr keith call like he came friday right and then when I spoke with him, he said mommy this.

Q

Has to be us I'll talk to my guy, like you know guys, this has to be fixed right now, because this.

Q

Could be like a serious it's a friday when I spoke to him over the phone, so I was uh also.

Q

They also uh friday, what august 12th august 12th right and I was back, I was. I was back and forth.

Q

Like you know, then I just had a conversation with him and that moment I said guys he had to get this.

Q

Thing right execute right away and that's within like with an hour, everything has been displayed.

Q

Everything's been right there and then uh thus we fix a problem right there, like you know, but I said.

Q

Like this, they shouldn't take mr keith to come full time to this. As I say, it's as a shame, shame.

Q

On the guy, you know it's a simple thing like you know, just go, buy the frame, but the impression was.

Q

A bigger frame, bigger picture, like you know, with the full license with the liquor license with the.

Q

State license everything goes in one frame, it was just a miscommunication between maybe that's what.

Q

Then I had, I guess, that's that's the only thing I can think of it, like you know, other otherwise,.

Q

These guys can know where to go to walmart and just get the frame and just basically hang them.

Q

You know, as a matter of fact, so I guess the answer then, is that our inspector was there on the 12th.

C

And talk to you on the 12th of august right and then three days later, our inspector comes and.

C

And the problem has been corrected right, correct, so once licensee learned it was.

C

Obviously, corrected timely fashion. I agree I mean, but I was I was going about what the employees.

B

Were telling me if I needed if they said they couldn't do it, I would have reached out to right.

B

And you know the license say the general I'm not sure that the license was available. I would call.

B

It his phone number and left a message the email could have reached to me now. I would say yeah.

B

You know when I was told they take care of within a week, then I told them. I've been told they'll.

B

Take care of it another week. I believe it's been taken care of, I understand. Okay, would you like to.

C

Repeat that motion, uh mr chairman, I move that we take a brief recess to discuss the evidence.

C

And merits the case motion's been made in property; second, that we take a brief recess to discuss the.

A

Merits of the case, all those the favor signify, the saying aye aye opposed no so water. We will.

A

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we're back in order to render decision on case 6415. We have.

A

A liberated the merits of this case, and at this time the chair would ask if there is a decision.

A

Motion to be made, I am prepared to make a motion, mr chairman, um so it took some deliberation to.

D

Decide what we thought would be you know valid decision on this, so in in terms of case 6415,.

D

A class b beer wine and liquor license issued to daniel shulman and buffon patel for the use of.

D

Accurate 2 llc trading as canara indian cuisine, 5957 exchange, drive, eldersburg, maryland 21784.

D

For the violation of rule 22, which is a violation of posting your hours, I would.

D

Issue: a fine of 25 dollars for a violation of rule 26, I'm going to go to 52 first, so 52.

D

Display of license, I'm also going to motion for a violation of 25 and for 26 and 35. The.

D

Acts of the employees and the cooperate with keith, I feel like that, has more potential to.

D

Be a public safety issue, your employees are an extension of you and they should be doing what.

D

Is best for the company and best for the for the licensee on both of those 26 and 35? I would issue.

D

A fine of 50 each for a total fine of a hundred and fifty dollars, and that would be my motion.

C

And I would second that motion, mr chairman, with just a clarification that what we're.

C

Talking about is, if you find the licensee-copable violation of rule 22. of the fine as 25 dollars.

C

For a violation of rule 26, which we find you culpable of the finest fifty dollars.

C

For violation of rule 35, which we find a couple of the violation, is fifty dollars and for rule 52.

C

The violation, fine is 25, and we find it culpable of that as well.

Q

I agree: that's just for a point of clarification, I'm not amending her. Thank you. The uh the motion.

C

That's just for the record, so you're. Second in the motion. Yes, I am yes. Most have been properly made.

A

And seconded that we find the licensee culpable and, as stated issue, a total fine of 150 dollars.

A

Is there any further discussion on the motion.

A

All those in favor signify is saying: aye, aye moe's, no, the eyes have it.

A

Patel, we find you culpable of the charges that have been presented and, as has been explained,.

A

A total fine of a hundred and fifty dollars. Okay, sir no problem, I said like, as I said, like you know,.

Q

These, the first time, you guys seen this kind of you know just fall off like fourth time for.

Q

Just simple thing, like you know, this should be. As I say, the employee's extension is mine, like.

Q

You know they should be taking care of this thing right away. As I said, this won't be a set like we.

Q

Already have enough, uh we have a person who can taking care of this from now on and also have a.

Q

Commentary mr keith, like you, know, give me constant communication with me email or something. What do.

Q

We need for, like you know, as a kind, as I said I'll be responsible person for for now on, like you know,.

O

Yeah and that's how I do want to invite you guys, please come and check out this place like anytime.

Q

You guys can, like you know, miss joe I'll talk to her almost like uh most of july, when we got.

Q

Licensed please swing by, like you know, take a look at the restaurant like you know, and I was just.

Q

Like please yeah yeah, I built a place. I just want you guys to take a look like you know, yeah, please.

A

I haven't been inside the establishment personally, but I've been past there.

A

Numerous times, there's other licensees establishments throughout the area there.

A

Just down the street behind you and so on and so forth as you're well aware, and we as commissioner.

A

Barnhart mentions our condolences to you and thank you, sir, understand and appreciate that.

A

Within three days after you knew it, it was all taken care of, but.

A

uh Hopefully you have rectified the problem that existed during your untimely uh call.

A

Away so, thank you, sir. We wish you the best. Congratulations and you have 30 days upon.

A

Official notice from ms vance to satisfy the fine sure, or I can just sculpt, that.

Q

Something to take care of that today, okay, thank you very much. Thank you thanks. So much guys.

A

Okay, the next scheduled item here will be of much discussion. I'm sure lunch.

A

We will adjourn until two o'clock.

D

George, because, even though I've heard it all across that find culpable fine cookbook, I wrote it all across.

A

Okay, we're back in session. So can you continue from our meeting this morning.

H

A

The rule changes we said at 2 pm, we could do past 2 p.m and joe gave us the update.

A

Wording copy and so on and so forth this morning, with the changes that were recommended.

A

At the last meeting, do you off the top of your head or george? Do you know which ones.

C

We talked about last minute, you talked about one.

A

Or two right to make changes. Joe, do you know there's one on.

F

Age, there was something on rule two that we originally took out, that we put back in.

A

You recall what that was rule two yeah.

C

Mine starts at room six new page, two page two, maybe no.

F

The first change that I had was we added the word or I'm trying to remember what page that was on.

D

Okay, that's the last month.

H

In these things, so from um age, eight yeah page eight, we we did some punctuation work.

D

Seven, we changed, revocation to violation.

D

D

Yeah, it's right here.

D

Page eight because there's they changed it to either or.

A

I remember it was only a couple like that.

A

That we did, and then this footnote add not to exceed 15 bar suits. Where is the either or change.

D

um On page eight, I think what might have been not either or but four it was or yeah. We.

C

The voting rights or holding at least 10 percent interest in a limited liability.

C

Company with voting rights or for which actual consideration paid is five thousand yes right.

C

So that was the main one yeah that was, that was an either or one and.

C

I think I looked at it and joe got that on the new one, but.

C

What role is that that's rule 16, okay,.

F

Age 15 we had a question about whether or not distilleries could sell as mixed drinks for.

F

Off-Site consumption right, if the state said okay, they can't somebody who all told me that come on.

A

Did you tell me that, yes, somebody and it looks like since the last meeting once somebody want.

A

To eat three okay yeah, so this way, basically, we left that the way it was did they when.

A

I was in the office and you came in, we asked you another question yeah and then on page 17.

D

Rule 57 we changed um minimum hours specified instead of shelby said we changed it to maybe.

D

Very good, I wrote it all down, you did okay, so this was on the agenda for two o'clock.

A

So with those changes, they've all been made and checked, and so and so forth,.

A

We heard everything else unless there's copper mine gentlemen's gonna, be here.

B

And he's checking and he's walking down that hall now well we're on the rules now so, okay.

A

We're going to finish this up whether he comes in the door or whether he don't.

A

Is there any further discussion or comment on these rules as amend the proposed amendment.

C

The final version I have I received it this morning and uh it looks like it comports with.

C

What we came up with less hearing so and we, I think, agreed to these changes that were made.

C

So I don't think, there's any uh opposition to anything that we've been present this morning.

A

Hearing none would somebody like to make a motion that we approve the rules as presented I'll make.

D

A motion that we approve the changes to the rules and regulations of the board of license.

D

Commissioners for carroll county, the most current version that was presented to us today on the 12th.

D

Of october 2022., I second that mentioned motion has been made and seconded that we approve the.

A

New wording and new rules, changes and so forth, as presented here any further discussion on the.

A

Motion hearing none all those in favor signify the saying aye aye opposed no. So what are.

A

So these will be incorporated.

H

Exactly will be a challenge.

A

I won't say what I was going to say: go ahead and it wasn't bad there's nothing.

A

Okay, the next thing we have on our agenda.

A

Is copper, mine requests for several outdoor events in november and december.

A

What do we mean by several well there's multiple applications and each application is multiple days.

F

By the way, you need to submit one more.

R

I'm missing one well, you went one that's for eight days and you can only do seven. Seven understood.

F

You need to submit another application for that one day this is jeff crum ryan, from coppermine.

A

Do we need him on record.

A

Tell us a little bit about copper mine who owns it, what's it for how long has it been in existence in.

A

All the principles, uh copper mines owned by alex jacobs, they own an original site off of 83 in.

R

Baltimore county, they bought four season sports complex three years ago, when it was going under.

R

And then they recently purchased a sportsman's hall cascade lake and then newly they don't.

R

Own it, but they work in conjunction with blue ocean, which owns uh panther plex, which is.

R

North carroll, high school and who's blue ocean, I have no idea they're the ones who own.

R

um That that facility, my most of my work, is at cascade, where this event is.

C

Can I ask who you are jeff crumright jeff who, from ryan.

A

And you're what general manager um I'm the coordinator of that event and then I run all their.

R

Summer camps at cascade lake, so most of the events that go through cascade lake are overseen by me.

A

And as we look through this application, these applications, what.

A

Upper mind is a separate corporation or is a subsidiary of somebody else.

R

A separate corporate copper mine itself is a business, the the non-profit that we're raising.

R

Money, for is friends of cascade lake, which is a sectioned off part of cascade park when it.

R

Was bought by patrick two years ago, which used formerly was cascade lake half of it is owned.

R

By copper, mine in itself for business purposes, the other half is being rebuilt for public use.

R

That's what the fundraiser is for friends of cascade, it's the 501, 3cs or 3013cs, or whoever.

A

It is that you're getting these license on for non-profit friends of cascade park, also.

A

Owned by cascade park, correct also owned by alex jacobs and who are the principals of friends of.

A

Cascade park, the same people, uh there is a board. This is a new 501c3. The principals he's a member.

R

Of the board, but he's not the main board member, like he's, not the president, we're talking about.

C

Friends of cascade friends of cascade park correct this is a new 501c3. um It's a stream restoration.

R

Project bringing it back open for public use, half of cascade park. The other half is for copper, mine.

C

So is there a blending of this charitable group and the owner of cascade lake? Is there overlapping.

C

Is there separation between the 501c3 and and the other entity is involved here.

R

Well, the 501c3 has a separate value, so that's that's the whole value yeah. That's the entire.

R

Thing that's going on on the other side of cascade lake is the reconstruction of the area where the.

R

Lake used to be, we don't use that property at this moment, um they're going who owns that.

R

Alex jacobs all right, so he he owns the land where this 501c3 is doing restoration, correct.

C

And who is alex jacobs he's the owner of copper mine, I know, but who is he really.

C

Well, what does he do? Where's? He live where's. He from uh he is.

R

I don't know his specific address he's a entrepreneur. He owns several uh copper.

R

Mines he owns the mine in baltimore, so he owns the one. That's um that you see off of.

C

83., yes, that's his original site right, yes, yep! That's where everything started: yeah, yeah, okay,.

C

Everything I've always heard about that place was it's it's a great place. Yes, nice people, yeah.

C

So he's an entrepreneur and the friends of cascade park.

C

He's on the board, did you say: yeah he's one of the board members, but he's not the one.

R

That makes all of the decisions for it. He did that on purpose, okay, and um and who is that.

C

Alex no, who does make all the decisions julie gochar. Can you spell that g-o-u-c-h-a-r.

C

G-O-U-C-H-E-R goucher goucher. Let me like goucher college. I think that's just.

R

A coincidence, but yes, let me let me double check that that is the correct spelling. Okay,.

R

The o, u c h, so she makes the decisions for the foundation. I guess according.

C

To the bylaws of the I'm sorry, not the foundation, the uh 501c3 g-o-c-h-a-r, a r.

R

And then I have some notes of the 501c3 as well. If you guys would like to hear them uh what they're.

R

Values are cascade park, notes.

C

When you say notes, what exactly do you mean? These are essentially what the project is and what what.

R

We're doing with our 501c3 to a t- that's not just me, paraphrasing, so the what the efforts are.

R

uh What the goals are, what the description is: the budget, the impact community outreach and the.

R

Environmental benefits of it we'd like to hear that sure I'll start from the beginning. Do you.

R

Want me to start the beginning: everything that's on here. Our team at the friends of cascade lake.

R

Is dedicated to reimagining preserving expanding the eight acres of iconic land at cascade lake.

R

For the surrounding community visitors and future generations to come with the support of the state.

R

Of maryland, our stream valley, restoration project will preserve the ecosystem, engage the community.

R

With public access to recreational space and support ecological and water quality, environmental.

R

Efforts preserve the ecosystem, we will promote ecological sustainability of the land and the.

R

Surrounding habitat, by building up the wetlands and restoring the lake bed to a body of water.

R

Engage the community by rebuilding and maintaining the land. We will provide the community with public.

R

Access to a multitude of adventure-based recreational spaces, walking paths, campsites.

R

Picnic areas, adventure courses, aerial parks, zip lines and ropes course, stream, valley, restoration,.

R

Effort this project will support the state's watershed implementation plan for the chesapeake.

R

Bay, tmdl pollution, diet for the bay restoration of the stream channels and flood plans create.

R

Opportunities to trap, sediment and nutrients and is a recognized best management practice in the.

R

Wip, public access, open public access to a carroll county treasurer that the community will continue.

R

To enjoy for generations by reimagining the experience of cascade lake into cascade recreation.

R

And adventure park, the community will benefit from a robust line of outdoor activities right in their.

R

Backyard, additionally, the park will bring tourists to the area from those looking for a leisure.

R

Really connection with nature to those seeking the thrill of adventure, family oriented bullet.

R

Points family orientated, family, oriented day trips, summer camp destination for local camp providers.

R

Campsites walking biking and hiking trails, water experiences, adventure courses, aerial park, ziplines.

R

Mountain bike, community outreach bullet points carol and baltimore county disadvantaged youth.

R

Adventure, school and camps, carroll, county youth services, division, mental health, outdoor.

R

Therapy and overall community wellness open to another open to other community outreach.

R

And youth groups like scouts that were not able to use the property previously create volunteer.

R

Opportunities, environmental bullet points, promote fish passage and aquatic organism, growth.

A

Budget in there, the budget estimate 1.83 million.

R

100 000 fieldwork and data collection necessary to design and permit the restoration project 1.3.

R

To 1.4 million permitting and construction planning estimate, depending on the project.

R

Elements and materials available for on-site use, 333, 000, construction and installation.

R

Of climbing tower aerial venture course, zip lines and challenge course, equipment.

C

C

A difference between friends of cascade lake, llc and friends of cascade park.

R

I don't know, what's what's the other one, but I write it in the wrong way.

C

Well, there's some of these in the applications. Sometimes it's called friends of cascade park and.

C

Sometimes it's called friends of cascade lake. It should be friends of cascade park because that's.

R

The actual name of it, cascade lake is what it used to be called. It's now called cascade. There's also.

C

Some information here of an llc called friends of cascade lake llc, uh this non-profit organization,.

C

Is designed to bring a portion of cascade park back to the community for public use.

C

This is an email yeah, then that must have just my my typo friends of cascade park, not like.

R

Okay, when you first started reading off of there, you said like was that just a misspeak.

R

Our friend yeah they have cascade lake, it is the friends of cascade park. I believe that's.

R

What the issue was, because it formally used to be called cascade lake and then copper, mine, decided.

R

To change the name to cascade park, can you get us the articles of incorporation for llc.

R

Articles of incorporation, I mean I have that right here for orders of organization.

C

um Because it does, it does say, friends of cascade lake. I guess I guess it is friends of.

R

Cascade like I, I don't know why my assumption was, it was called what it is called, but it is.

R

I'm looking at the articles of incorporation right now and it says friends of cascade lake.

R

So that is correct, okay, so, let's back up for a second, so it's an llc.

C

And that'd be articles of organization. Maybe so you said, articles of incorporation.

C

um What is the name of at the top of the articles of incorporation that you have there.

R

Friends of cascade link incorporated inc inc inc; yes, not llc, no inc, okay,.

C

Is there, is there a limited liability corporation involved in any of this? I don't believe so. This is.

R

The only this is the only that I'm referring to I I must have put a typo. I apologize. Okay.

R

Who would you like me to forward this to you? Well, the articles of incorporation.

C

I think it'd be helpful. I mean speaking for myself, it'll be helpful to understand who.

C

The players are and these requests, because at this point uh the record is a little confused.

C

um And that that happens like uh here's uh friends of cascade park,.

C

They're on the application for a sip and stroll in november correct. So I don't know who friends.

R

Cascade lake is the correct term, okay, so as friends of okay- and they are it's an ink, it's.

C

An incorporated under laws of maryland correct, it's a 501c3, correct, okay, so if so, just some for.

C

Our file, just you know that documentation would be great to have understood just sent it to me. Jeff.

C

And maybe uh I don't know uh chairman or mary tim can say if if we receive this.

C

Do they have to now amend the application or or can or can they they amend it to.

C

Orally and at the next hearing, or how do you think we should proceed on that.

G

I guess they can amend it orally, so that, uh and we could probably do it now- is that right sure.

C

All right, so that's really it's a chairman's call about how to go past that I'll just.

C

Looking at the record, that's what we could do it there. How many events are we talking about.

A

Here it's one event, but 22 dates. One event with 22 dates, correct. It's all the same event. It's a it's.

C

A sip and stroll uh the event is cascade lights. There are only two sip and strolls within that.

R

If you're looking to sell alcohol, not as a sip and stroll it's you're asking to sell alcohol.

A

22 dates correct over what period of time, starting on black friday until december, 30 uh december 30th.

R

Only on weekends, friday, saturday, sunday, all the way through all the way through the entire event.

A

So you're asking for 22 one day license correct. I understand it says sip and stroll on there. I.

R

Thought it would be easier to um explain it that way, because I I wasn't, I didn't.

R

Know that I was going to be actually up front and face to face with everybody explaining it.

C

Who's, this yeah yeah.

C

What is cascade lights again, that's a christmas light. Walkthrough is that name of an organization.

C

Or name of an event, it's the name of the event we have. We approved those the past two years.

B

The sip controls 22 of them under the name under the name of cascade lights, is it so cascade lights.

C

Is a sip and stroll yeah? Okay, and it's been, as I recall, very well, attended, you're very well.

B

Attended now they're just trying to spread out, so you don't get one big bunch of people.

B

At one day, you're going to try spread out throughout this holiday season, yeah so they'll.

B

Be but they're going to be two main sip and strollers we're going to add more alcohol vendors.

B

The other three other days when we won one vendor, just us just copper mine, will control everything.

R

On thursday, friday saturday, sunday, copper mine, as which entity friends of cascade lake.

C

The 501c3 correct so so the profits go toward the effort, yeah so sometimes using copper, mine.

C

Interchangeably with a 501c3 confuses me correct, I'll I'll refer to it from now on.

R

As friends of cascade lake is, that is that better yeah or the charitable organization.

C

Charitable organization- 501c3- sorry yeah, you know, got me confused, really good.

A

It says it is hereby certified that alex jacobs is the owner of the above, the thrive premises.

A

And that the cascade lights parentheses organization is authorized and empowered.

A

To hold a sip and stroll function on said premises on the said date, so it should say.

R

Friends of cascade lake, I understand now why I messed that up friends of cascade lake should be.

R

Authorized to do that right, so cascade lights, cascade, lights, correct! That's the name of the.

R

Event, I think, he's saying: that's a typo. Now, okay, it's not organization correct! No, it is.

R

Not an organization, that's a statement, many organizations, blank correct, okay,.

B

And we can fix that he can. We can redo all this like if that which, if that, what you want.

B

Just if you can approve it or come back next month and approve it or make orally amend men.

A

We're just trying to get it, who actually is the life of cascade lake, what their.

A

That's the 513 part is on this operation and then the owner, copper mine, is the owner of.

B

The property right, and so therefore, the copper mine ownership, whoever it is, if that's a company.

B

Allowing allowing they have to allow the 501c3 to use the property for the sip and stroke right and.

R

Correct, I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. Oh no, it's it's the first time in this fancy.

R

Room for a lawyer, that's yes, listen! I yeah! You got friends at cascade park and you got.

A

Cascade park, there's two different things and you throw in cascade lights. That's three.

A

Next thing: you'll have hampstead lights at christmas time or something in there.

A

So it, but it's the uniformly throughout all your applications. It's a 501c3! That's.

C

Incorporated in maryland correct that's making the application correct. Okay,.

B

And I emailed you the court, the corporation, you mean me personally yeah, you said you.

B

Wanted them so I sent it to you, oh well, I turned my phone off because.

C

And julie, boucher, goucher goucher, uh is what to friends of cascade lake llc at the moment.

R

She's, the I I guess we call the organizer, the president, the chairperson, so it's not.

C

An llc it's an ink ink okay, so that has to be changed too, because there are two different.

C

Things so I think we just need to change. Let's take the llc out so she's, an officer of the.

C

Corporation, which is a public charity, correct and is registered as a 501 yeah with the irs.

C

Correct as such, we attempted to use this 501c3 last year, but we were still pending. We weren't.

R

Quite there yet so now we just got approved this year right and um yeah. There's bylaws. I assume.

C

Yes, okay and, and so she is an officer of the corporation, do you know any of the other officers.

R

um Within the board, we are we're still working on forming the board professionally.

R

Totally because it's still a new 501c3, when when did you get 501c3 status, I.

R

Believe it's on that email. I believe it was just in january of 2020 .. Let me look.

C

So probably, if that's correct, you need to get your board of directors long time ago.

R

January 14 2022, okay, so have has there been a meeting of, has been one board meeting? Yes,.

R

So you have a board of directors, we had a meeting with myself and we've never had set.

R

Exact roles for each person, yet we're still working we're figuring all of that out, but.

R

We have had a board meeting already. Yes, I could tell you who's been on that as well.

C

Do you have minutes from that meeting? Yes, I'm sure we do yeah. I can definitely get you. Those.

C

All right, so your 501c 3 status was accepted, aggressed by state department assessments and.

C

Taxation is that is that, where you went to get the little certificate and stuff and uh and the.

C

Irs they're all on board with you. That would be uh yes, we I know the irs is all on board with that.

R

Correct and you have you have an ein number: yes, okay, so and then you have bylaws you're.

C

Telling me, but you haven't had election of or designate, will be an election of the board of.

C

Directors and you don't have and and your bylaws don't the board of directors elect the officers.

R

I'm not I'm not sure as far as that yeah, I'm not sure that far into it, okay.

C

So um what assurances do you want to give this board that the money raised at all these events.

C

Actually goes to the purposes of the friends of cascade lake inc: uh what's the mechanism you're.

C

Using for that purpose, what are we using to ensure that that money goes toward friends.

R

Of cascade lake yeah, so any any money that's raised from alcohol, not necessarily ticket.

R

Sales, I'm sure that, depending on how the owner wants to prioritize his profits, he will put.

R

Toward that, but all alcohol sales he just says something important. He said the owner prioritize.

C

His profits that can't be well I'm sorry of ticket sales for copper mine, but not the not.

R

The friends of cascade lake, who are raising money for friends of cascade lake is going to.

R

Be represented by alcohol sales, so alcohol sales will all go toward they're, going to be separately.

R

Counted and that's going to be separately given to friends of cascade lake okay, so the application.

C

So this event is really blending a private corporation for profit with 501c3 if their.

C

Ticket sales at cascade lights, or whatever that you're asking us to approve a license for if that.

O

Money is going into private private purse, but the alcohol sales money is going to the 501c3 correct.

C

Okay, um that may be problematica.

A

For me, it's problematic, that's the reason. I asked the questions that I did now clear.

A

Something else up for me: yes, sir, on this application on the very first page.

A

It says for the use and benefit of the friends of cascade park, which is to conduct.

A

A sip and stroll from 5 30 until 8. on the premises known as copper, mine, cascade park.

A

On an addendum that that we have here of what's going on.

A

No alcohol will be served after 11 pm correct so within those two dates that keith had mentioned.

R

There are two sip and straw dates that are bigger dates. I put 11 p.m because on those.

R

Dates we are open until 11. we're not open until eight only those dates. Well, why would you put 5.

A

30 until 8, because we won't be selling until 11 every day, so I guess the understanding. I.

R

Have is, I need to do a separate license for the days that it's longer okay, understood.

C

I mean I'm shaking my head, I'm just saying that I I understand what you're saying I'm.

C

Not saying that what you're saying is correct that that you know or that I'm not really sure.

B

Friday, saturday, sunday they're going to stop serving at eight o'clock on those.

B

Three correct the tenth and the 20th: that is the application as before. So that's what we're.

A

Looking at here's another one that says 5 30 until 10, 30., okay, but then he's gonna have.

B

Two sipping strolls that are going run from 5 30 to 10 30.. Here's one says: 5 30 to 11 30.

C

Is the sip and stroll keith? Do you consider that to be 30 to 8. to be separate from.

C

The uh the light thing cascade lights only difference between the sip and stroke and.

B

The cascade lights, the lights, the shipping show they had have more alcohol vendors.

B

The wine war wineries come out at this two stepping strolls, so you can sip your.

B

Drink while you're strolling the cat, the lights now, everything else stays the same.

B

On on week, after friday, sunday they're just cast lakes, the only ones can be selling.

B

Alcohol on those those three days, okay, stop there, I mean, whatever, whatever we call, this non-profit.

B

Okay, so friends of cascade lake say non-profit: okay, the non-profit's gonna be selling alcohol.

B

Friday, saturday and sunday, the nonprofit's going to do that for the next six weekends. Basically,.

B

I find my county right: it's yeah, it's approximately six, six, weekends, six, weekends, okay,.

B

Two of those days, it's gonna, be a bigger event. The sip and show still friends of cascade lake.

B

They're going but they're allowing other vendors to come in to sell alcohol also.

C

And where does that money go? No, the portion comes back to us. Okay, a portion comes back to you. A portion goes in their pocket.

C

Correct is there that's the way we did it last year, but I opened for a better way that if you.

R

Guys think that would be a better way to do that. That happens about all all non-profits.

B

I mean all our strolls any any vendor. You know want to show any event that comes in.

B

Yeah they pay a fee to the city of westminster, but then they keep the profits for the alcohol.

B

Sales, so that's how the 501c3 raises money through the fee yeah and the ticket sales.

C

That all goes into a private pocket, because the ticket sales are for the use of the rest of the.

B

The activities there's a band, there's um ax, throwing there's tumbling, there's, there's.

B

The walk through through the lights so that pay that money goes to the top of mine itself as a.

B

As the profit for for profit, okay, so to come on the property, you have to pay the commission fee.

B

That money goes to coppermind. If you want alcohol, you pay money to that beer vendor.

B

That money goes to friends to the non-profit, okay,.

B

Just like the city of westminist does a stroll you, you charge a fee to go on or fall fest charge.

B

You, you know and then put the alcohol sales. The kiwanis has that alcohol license. They.

B

Keep that they keep that money. Kiwanis is a yeah, a charitable organization right and just friends of.

B

Cascade lake, correct incorporated is a charitable organization. Also, yes, they are, but I'm I'm just.

C

Focusing on the ticket sales you know I'm trying to and- and you can help me here- um show me how.

C

We've, given a one-day license to a non-profit that mixes the non-profit activity with the.

C

Profit activity and you know yeah, there may be some. You know I I I'm where the ticket sales go to.

C

An entrepreneur and the license uh that we get the alcohol sales go to the non-profit.

C

We require a non-profit to apply for the alcohol sales, correct, that's what that's what's happening.

B

I'm trying to think of an event where you charge a fee to come in yeah, um not the wine festival.

C

I don't know who right I mean that goes to that goes to ticketmaster, and that goes to.

B

The ag center yeah that's this process, but I don't know, but the actual, the ones who.

C

Who benefit from the wine festival there? It's it's either government or a non-profit.

B

Another vended benefit too, because they they sell the wine and the ticket sales right.

A

Ticket sales for the wine festival that used to be a big set of contention.

B

Correct that's a bad example, but yeah there's someplace else. Addicts represents.

G

Dissociation, but still it's michael bublé.

A

The same person owns the entire area.

R

I'm sorry, could you repeat that the same person owns the entire.

A

Area of cascade park and lake, like the entire property yeah. Yes, so half of it.

A

Is non-profit and the other half is a profit correct? Is that what you're telling me correct.

C

So the non-profit is fixing up.

C

The lake, which is private property, it was not. Are you familiar with cascade lake, what it was before.

R

They generally some yeah. So, yes, it had to be damned and it was environmental problems. Correct.

C

Yeah, I believe it was flooding 482 and then it it had to be damned. But alex um was his name jacobs.

C

Did you say correct, alex jacobs owns the lake? Yes, yes, so alex jacobs owns the property that is being.

C

An environmentally aided by the non-profit, correct, okay working to make it public use, and what do you.

R

Mean by that um what I read on the on the that, but not open to the public with without a fee. I assume.

C

No, it was not the operators. What I understood was it was going to be run. We operated as a business.

R

Not that I'm aware of now my understanding was, it was going to be free access for public use, okay, a.

C

Separate entrance and and your understanding for that comes from where from the addendum that I.

R

Read: that's that's my understanding of this. What we've discussed was having separate entrances for.

R

This property, because right now you have to go directly through the business side to get there.

R

So they're going to create an entire separate entrance for free public access, so the non-profit.

C

Is hoping to uh renovate the lake and make it available to public free of charge? Correct, okay,.

A

There's probably I'm just wondering governmental agency grants and so forth, going to be involved.

A

In this yeah, even the adventure park side with the the zip lines and so that'll all.

D

Be free access- that is my understanding. Yes, and your understanding is based again on.

C

Is there a corporate resolution? Is there something in the bylaws? What is that understanding based on.

C

Only thing, the only thing I have is what I read you I know, but I was reading something.

C

When you read uh so you read me what exactly I'm sorry, no, it's! Okay, you read me an email. Well, it.

R

Was a it was a cascade park? Was it a resolution from of the nonprofit? It was just a description.

A

Of what's going to happen correct, I understand it's a description, but I'm trying to find the.

C

Origin and the and where it came from and who's writing it julie, gochar, wrote that okay, I asked.

R

For as many notes on cop on the um non-profit as possible, so if you all presented me with questions.

R

On it I can answer them accurately: okay, but clearly there were not enough okay, so so that is.

R

Project description is what I was reading you. So what exactly? We were.

R

Planning on doing from the leader of the correct company, correct because.

C

Since the new board of directors, I don't think there's been an election of officers, so she's.

C

Not technically an officer correct, I mean you, don't have a board of directors. Is that yes,.

N

There's three there's three names: okay, they can be incorporators.

R

One moment I'm sorry, well I I guess I guess the idea is at some point. She.

C

Will be the person in charge of the non-profit, correct irregardless of her status right now,.

A

Yeah, are you always on these phones, like these people are going getting all this now? No sorry.

R

I'm attempting to get my email well since keith said he sent to me. I will see if he said keith.

C

You said you sent something to me right: yeah, okay, double check make sure it went through.

C

On my phone they'll be under productivity, which is funny it says I sent 229.

B

Okay, so it should be forward friends at cafe: lake; okay, don't have it, but that's: okay!.

A

At the right button thing: no, he probably did my wife texted me last night uh in new england and.

C

I got it this morning at 7 28., so so my phone is well. If you didn't get, if your wife for 12.

A

Or 14 hours you ain't gonna, get for him for four days. Well, he afforded an email. This was a text.

C

From an android to an to it, I found so I don't know what they like being sorry.

M

Oh, that says no connection, that's the proper side, all right.

C

You know something I'm sorry keith. This is saying I have no internet connection. Hey tim, your opinion.

B

If we redo these applications, can we just do one application list of multiple dates, or do you want.

B

A well don't they have to pay fees. Yes, they pay right, it's a p, it's a fee, but there are 22 dates.

B

Do can they be all put on one application, or do we need to do seven or eight applications.

G

About 22 days I thought seven had to be on an application, so it's only three or four.

B

I'm well because they're they were doing they were. I told them to do friday, saturday, sunday, as one.

B

So application I'm just trying to streamline it if we could possibly can well, I'm saying.

G

Three or four would be all right put seven on one and is that maybe seven blending problem.

C

I don't know if it's, if it's our concern with this, I'm just point that out.

B

Because I think it'd be better, we just redo these applications. That would be what I would.

R

Like, unfortunately, my understanding of their the the entire board and everything is not.

R

I mean it's not crystal clear. I I have a this is what I was looking for was a meeting that was.

R

Just sent out for a board meeting on october 18th that I attended one way long ago, and I have not.

R

Been on another one, so um I can read the names of the people on there, but there are members. I.

R

Just do not know their roles, okay, so maybe there's a board of directors. um We don't know you're, not.

C

On it, yeah I'm in the meeting, I'm probably just like the event person. I guess I'm not sure what.

A

We got one here: six applications.

J

B

Well, we get, we were correct all there what we were correct, all the applications.

B

So be on record, so william shoonmaker, julie, goshar and vicki shafer are the three people.

C

You're referring to yes, they are on there as the principles of the uh charitable. I suppose that's.

R

Correct those are the those are some of the names here on the attendees of the invite I'm looking at.

A

Here you got under b the bus, stop, slash, copper mine, be providing spiked milkshakes.

B

The bus stop does that they're one of the vendors on the sip and straw night.

B

You get a milkshake with a shot of one ounce, floaters of alcohol.

A

It says the bus stops last copper, mine.

A

Correct owns the bus, stop. No! The bus stop is not owned by us. It's a separate entity.

A

Is copper mine going to be providing spike milkshakes? No.

G

Is the spiked milkshake considered alcohol? Yes got a.

G

Ounce of alcohol, so so the non-profit gets the benefit of correct any alcohol sales.

C

They split with a vendor correct. We get a profit.

R

Back a percentage back, what is the percentage 25 percent.

C

So the non-profit gets set 25 about policy, correct, well, 100 of anything, copper mine does copper mine.

R

Like if we are selling beer or if we are selling a canned beverage, all of that profit goes back, but.

R

If another vendor is selling it on site, like the bus stop, they will give us 25 percent of the sale.

C

Okay, so you're describing two separate things going on here. One is vendors coming on.

B

On the sip they're sipping they're, just for the sip control, there's two dates for a second show.

B

um Pipe decides another vendor who else anybody else through fire brewery fire is coming as.

B

Another vendor, but you said, copper mine- will be selling alcoholic beverages correct any.

R

Other day and all of those profits go toward friends of cascade lake. No, not compromise.

R

Friends of cascade lake right into cascade lake incorporated we're gonna be selling, yes, cannot.

R

Let copper mine do that. Apologies, forensic friends of cascade lake will be selling.

R

Alcohol and all the profits will benefit friends of cascade lake right. Yes, okay,.

C

Because if copper mines involved, you're jeopardizing, I understand now- non-profit, yes, okay,.

R

I apologize my understanding of everything, wasn't crystal clear when I got here but- and I will fix.

R

The applications as well, if you request it.

A

Now it says on here: copper mine will be selling canned cocktails, canned beer and or wine daily.

A

Correct no compromise, not selling copper mine's, not selling anything, no, no friends of cascade.

R

Lake that those are the typos that I need to fix on that application. That is not correct.

A

Yeah, because there's a lot of things in here, it's got to be fixed, correct, yeah. I understand that now.

R

And I understand why you were confused. I apologize yeah.

C

I'm easily confused speaking for myself, so don't want the fight, as am I you think easy.

A

He's a good fuse. What kind of fencing is installed? It'll, be plastic, fencing.

R

um Five feet: high, like a snow fence type.

A

Which, if the wind blows, will blow it over.

A

Maybe, unless you're standing there whole nikki.

B

My daughter liked the the milkshake non-spiked, but she liked the milkshake.

C

The last time around yeah did you get the milkshake or her.

B

She got it. Okay, she works, who provided the milkshake bus? Stop bus? Stop? Yes, you're a vendor.

B

Right because at the time there was last year, was only a deception show, it was only that one date.

B

And it was packed, there was a lot. There were cars. If you know that intersection there was.

B

Cars already out to 482. I heard yeah I couldn't get onto snydersburg off of 27.

D

Trying to get home so you already don't like us. I love that it's flourishing now, but it.

D

Was very cool yeah? We were attempting to fix that this year we rerouted our parking and.

R

We're going to sell timed entry, so hopefully that does not happen again, because we heard.

R

I mean a lot of people were very friendly about it, but for those of you that weren't we we're trying.

R

To fix those small issues that barron wants to bring cows from one side of the road to the other.

B

Then we're gonna be showing then we're going to be showing steaks and hamburgers.

C

So the time entry correct I've actually had some experience with what just happened at.

C

The howard county fairgrounds, please, uh the um at an asian food festival asian night food festival.

C

And there were backups on route 70 route 32 going for miles miles.

C

And that was a ticketed affair, but they were unable to enforce the time to entry.

C

People just came as a result, there's a bunch of lawsuits out there and.

C

Anyhow, so that so I'm asking you that this timed entry concept that you want to use.

C

How was that how's it going to work they'll buy tickets for the specific time that they.

R

Want to come in the other benefit that we're just implementing this or the other change.

R

That we're implementing this year is last year. They had to get their tickets from their car.

R

So they pull up and they had to wait in their car to get tickets now they park and because of.

R

The fencing system we can guide them to the ticket booth, so it'll be on foot. So even if.

R

Even if someone does comment an incorrect time, it's not going to back up traffic, hopefully so.

C

For parking, you feel you have sufficient parking to handle. Yes, we yeah we have last year. Was it.

C

Sufficient, yes, on the busiest night we had almost 3 000 people um and we were able to house them, but.

R

We will sell out tickets this year when it nears around 2000, just to make sure that we can keep the.

R

Quality and everybody safe okay, and so there was a traffic jam last year. Just that one day was the.

R

Worst, just just the sip and stroll day, that's why we flipped it into two dates and vice president.

D

You only had it one time, instead of just one time and wasn't it timed entry. Last year too. No, I think.

D

Pushed for it to be timed entry, but was told that we don't need it and we very clearly needed it.

R

There was not much, um not many people thought it was going to do as well as it did.

R

And this year we're we're taking it a different direction and we're going to make.

R

It more maryland themed which will likely draw more people, so we're going to have the largest.

R

Maryland the largest crab bushel christmas tree in maryland, we've created the maryland.

R

12 days of christmas and lights, we have these themed crabs and crab bushels and all kinds of.

R

Different things in a light show that is very heavily maryland. Culture based yeah.

A

So you're selling time specified tickets correct what kind of time lapse two hours.

R

uh 15 minute entries will likely be what we do like a 5 30 entry time, 5 45 and a six o'clock.

R

Up to approximately 7 30., so if you've got a 730 entry, you can't come at five correct.

R

Hoping that people are honest and that follow that direction, we'd love yeah well, all we can do is try.

A

Any other comments questions. So all these applications are going to be redone, correct.

N

All the corrections are made correct. Are you happy with the plan that they submitted.

C

I didn't look at the playing because I'm still grappling with the uh private enterprise 501c3.

C

A

When's, the first event that you want to have like friday. What day is that november 25th 25th.

R

November 25th, yes,.

H

When's our next meeting, the ninth.

A

I'm, like commissioner barnhart, I'm.

A

Not convinced about a 501c3 with a private enterprise.

D

We have a meeting coming up correct october 18th. I believe.

C

That's a meeting of who I'm sorry. I miss tuesday october 18th of the.

D

Friends board meeting kick off is what it's entitled we're meeting kickoff.

R

Julie, gochar jennifer, latow, jessica, donatell, gen, angers and.

R

C

Are there two distinct geographic areas? Yes, and one is going to be.

C

Cascade for lack of a better term, that's the owners correct! That's! Where summer camp is held.

R

Cascade lake, which is the charitable part correct, so it's like like going to a theme park and I can.

C

Go to space mountain or I can go over here if I go over here, I'm going to a area where.

C

Charitable money's being raised, if I go over here, it's it's disney profit. Is that how you envision.

C

How this is set up? No, I envision cascade lake there's. No, I don't believe there's going to be.

R

Anything over there for profit. I believe it's going to be just the free public access space.

R

All right at the cascade lake park- yes at the other part, the for-profit part. Yes, will alcohol.

C

Alcoholic beverages be sold there regularly at any time. Will it be alcoholic vendors over there.

C

The private at the private part, the private part, is where the event is being held.

C

Okay, so yes, there's a property. Yes, property part of the property is being renovated by.

C

The by the charity, part of the property is not being renovated by the charity. Correct.

C

A ticket gets you into the property, it gets you into both parts of the property.

C

The part that's being renovated by the chair with this specific event.

C

S, no, I believe, there's going to be a separate entrance, they're not going to be really affiliated.

R

They're, obviously, next to it he's talking about the alcohol events, the alcohol events.

B

Where this location is, is it is it on the private section or is it on the public.

R

Section it's on the public private section. This event, cascade lights, is on the private section.

B

Okay, so the private section is run by cascade lake, incorporated.

B

Or public section, the public section will be run by because this is all on profit, copper, mine.

B

Side of the property correct and we are raising money for cascade lake. Yes, so the whole footprint.

B

Of this event is on the copper mine property itself, because there's no access to like yet.

B

So that everything is on copper, mine, property, okay,.

H

And then I personally don't have a problem with that, because other events, people have on other.

A

Properties which are not public properties- I mean they are but they're owned privately, but.

A

This is the 501c versus the interpreter or interpreter.

C

That could be, mr.

H

Alex jacobs, the entrepreneur, yeah copper mine period because he owns copper bond right, copper,.

B

Mine owns a property, copper mines, allowing this non-profit to go set up on his property to raise.

B

Funds for cascade lake friends of cascade lake is going to be raising funds for to renovate the lake.

B

Copper mine is going to get a profit for the than ticket sales into this property. They're charging.

B

Mission to come onto the property, any alcohol sales is going to go to friends or cascade lake.

B

So someone owns a property allowing a non-profit to come along to my property to do a fundraiser.

B

When I want a piece of property, so I'm gonna charge a mission for them to get in there, but then.

B

They can go. Do the events, the dan, the music, the ax, throwing and walk the lights, but any alcohol.

B

Sales would go to friends of cascade lake lsc inc. I almost I was trying. I was doing good inc.

B

So I I don't see the problem by letting someone who owns a property, let a non-profit operate.

B

On their property, it's all the time. I just said that five minutes ago, okay.

B

I'm just but mr barnhart, I'm just making sure if you're comfortable.

C

One of the attractions will be alcohol sales now the traction not to alcohol. The traction is.

B

The walking the lights, the band, the christmas trees, the side part, the food sales side part- is.

B

There will be a opportunity to buy alcohol, not everyone, not everyone's, going to buy alcohol.

C

One of one of the things that attracts people to this would be the availability of alcohol.

C

Or if that wasn't true, they wouldn't be asking for it. I agree, but it's not it's not. It's not.

B

The main thing, okay, I I believe the main thing is to look at the string of lights. Go. You know.

B

Interact with that christmas themed santa claus all that stuff, because you had several weekends.

D

Last year, that was no alcohol involved, so I kind of see what your vision is to spread the alcohol.

D

Availability out that way, you don't have 3 000 people on the only weekend, correct where you could.

D

Get alcohol. This is kind of creating the scenario they had last year, which, from what I understand.

D

Was fabulous and people just and it was crowded without alcohol correct we had approximately 12.

R

000 right but then it was doubly crowded with alcohol and I'm thinking correct me if I'm.

D

Wrong that their thought is, if we spread out the availability of alcohol, we're not going to create.

D

That mess that we had last year when only one weekend correct, was the alcohol involved. It's.

D

Kind of like come to see the lights, and if you want to drink, you can get one correct. There's.

R

Not only one day where you can do both right. Well, you refer to family events throughout.

A

The information you got there last year, unity had alcohol. What one night.

A

What was the revenue for alcohol one night? I I don't have I'm not sure what exactly the numbers.

R

Are I could try to get them for you to go to a non-profit? Yes, what nonprofit did to go to it.

R

Went to it's on the paper rhythm, no, not rhythm changes, charlotte's quest, so a percentage of.

C

Alcohol sales last year went to charlotte's quest correct and they were able to come on.

R

Site and sell alcohol and keep 100 of those, but any vendors had to give them 25 percent.

A

Ladies and gentlemen,.

A

What's your pleasure here, do you have more comments, suggestions or so forth, or do we need to.

A

Get more information or we must proceed.

C

Well, we're going to get new applications correct, maybe the board meeting they're.

C

Having you can provide us with more right and you're going to provide us with the articles.

C

Of incorporation and things of that nature for the 501c3 correct. I can do that and and.

C

A certificate of tax-exempt status. Whoever may I make notes of that sure, I'm not trying to be rude.

C

And I didn't even look at our file, it has uh the layout everything like that and.

C

And the layout doesn't change from event to event. No, I mean from day to day.

B

Only thing changes, they add more vendors on those two different old dates.

R

You would like the articles of incorporation. What was the other.

C

Well, if they're, if there are bylaws bylaws, I hope there are um understood, and you know any.

C

um Well, yeah the certificate issued by the irs of tax-exempt status or 501c3 certificate use it. You.

C

Know it usually comes after application to irs and anything from a state department of assessments.

C

And taxation, you just put down sdat if you have something from them, confirming the friends of.

C

Cascade lake inc that it's that it is a registered maryland corporation, it's just a piece of paper.

C

Understood yeah anything else you would like. You want a list of the board members board members.

C

Well, once you're going to also give the minutes, I can give you minutes. Yeah minutes of the upcoming.

R

Meeting and their first one yeah yeah, whatever meetings you've had, that probably covers enough.

H

G

Did you say bylaws or was that said? Yes, I put that in there.

A

You want to take action on the applications that's been presented here.

G

We're waiting for the new one he's a good halfway for doing yeah yeah, so I assume that.

C

You're going to withdraw the applications that you presented correct and I will fix them: okay,.

R

To the correct entities that are we benefiting okay, so that has to be presented next month.

H

D

November 19th come back july, 9th all right november- 9th! Yes, please! I will take those.

R

Is there anything else you guys would like me to have prepared for that meeting on november 9th.

B

You might want to bring, I won't remember, may I may I send the board member instead, okay other than me.

R

Yeah, I actually will not be here at november 9th I would be out of the state yeah. I could.

R

Send another board member in my place, a member of the non-profit, correct, preferably okay, to speak on.

A

Their behalf, yes, is that, okay with everyone sure thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. So we will.

A

Table that application those applications until next month, correct yes, they've, been.

C

Withdrawn so okay excuse me any other business will be brought before the commission to stay.

A

Okay, thank you all very much appreciate your attendance.

A

This meeting is adjourned and we will reconvene on wednesday november the 9th.