Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 9 Nov 2022

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Thank you, you all may be seated.

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This time I would ask mr dixon our attorney if he will call our first case of the day 6418. Please.

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All right case 6418 an application for a new class c beer and wine license to be issued to.

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Larry, w stambaugh wesley s, cincinnati and carol e smith for the use of tara, rubra lions, club trading.

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As terror, aruba, lions club, 6300 middleburg road keymar, maryland 21757 in election district 10.

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And to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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Notice of public hearing dated october 28, 2022 notice of public hearing dated october 21st 2022.

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There's a response to joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from.

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Lisa staley assistant uh director health department.

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Organization obtains temporary food permits for any food event. It is not.

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License by assist the health department.

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There's a september 16 2022 letter from joe vance to mr larry, w stambaugh wesley s, sensony and.

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Carol e smith, then there is a application and the application includes character. References.

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Criminal background information, a deed, four plans, plot plans, mba records.

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I would ask that the file be entered into evidence, we'll accept that into evidence.

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Gentlemen, before you testify in this case, we would ask that all those who intend to.

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Testify please stand raise your right hands and be sworn in by ms vance, so.

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Foreign under the penalties of perjury that the testimony you're about to give is the truth. The.

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Whole truth and nothing, but our truth, you maybe see it. Gentlemen, before you testify.

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Please state your full names and your address for the record and spell your last names and just pull.

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Those microphones right close to you and so on so forth, who uh larry I assume you're gonna, tell us.

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Why you want this license and so on so forth, yeah I'll be glad to uh terry rubin. Lions club uh is a.

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Service organization, we're a 501 3c organization, I'm sorry larry, william stambaugh, 7135, keysville.

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Road keymar maryland 21757. Thank you. Welcome uh yeah. We request uh through the health department.

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For food service permits and through the liquor board for uh temporary one day, beer permits.

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Speaking with the liquor board, they advised really back before covet hit that maybe we would benefit.

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From getting a permanent class c beer and wine, we kind of tabled it during covet because of.

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Hardships maybe to the club and doing fundraising projects. But anyhow, when we got back in business.

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Late last year and early this year, we re-entered the possibility of getting this. We.

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Decided to go forward with it, it would be cost effective to lions club in the long run and.

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We think we've run a good ship. We monitor people there all the time we have posted eight limit.

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Signs we monitor, uh we try to do whatever the county requests, whether it's a liquor board health.

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Department we've worked hand in hand through code and we're ready to proceed with this if possible.

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Do you have you, don't have a commercial kitchen? No, no, no uh or people are volunteers. uh We.

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Originally discussed the possibility of doing a commercial kitchen, uh uh we decided against it.

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uh Getting into more regulations that is maybe not cost effective, because we we work on a limited.

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Basis, basically, we do eight to ten fundraisers a year and we don't think it's cost effective to. We.

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Have a lot of commercial equipment, our coolers and everything is commercial equipment, but.

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We didn't feel necessary, we could have to ask questions about uh insurances and all that and we.

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Don't have it so we didn't want to dwell too much into people's personal lives and and make them.

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Feel uncomfortable as they're volunteering their time for the community anyway, so you have to get.

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A when you, each one of the crab feasts and so on and so forth, you've got to get individual permit.

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From the health department yeah, they they kind of blanketed it recently where we can combine all the.

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Crab feeds into one you know, permit they issued for all the dates and those kind of things yeah.

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They doesn't cost for a permit. Does it no that doesn't cost.

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Beer permit liquor board does charge I'm killing time here, a little bit.

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George, if you've got any questions john right in here, uh I don't hit this time.

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How many events in the past average wise have you served alcohol per year? 10 12., yeah, you're, right.

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In the neighborhood of what it is yes, yeah yeah, we do five crab feeds. Two oyster feeds. Excuse.

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Me a deter. Excuse me, a daytona party uh bingo and all we don't serve alcohol. uh You know it's yeah.

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10 to 12 is is a big number. Yes, and how do you monitor alcohol sales? uh We check uh we strip.

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People we check uh ids, uh you know, if necessary, uh we have not had one problem that we know of.

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About eight years ago I'm gonna say it's been a good while ago. Don't hold me to that eight.

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Years, but we did have uh somebody we had to escort out of there. uh We felt they were.

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Drinking too much and uh we just never had a problem, it's do you have someone at the door.

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That checks checked. Yes, we yeah, we check people and then you use wristbands or yeah. We use a.

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Green red wristband to you know, to to monitor yeah and you've only had one problem in the past.

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Yeah- and that was actually somebody that was of age and they were over intoxicated yeah. They was.

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We don't know if it's drugs or alcohol, but anyhow we didn't didn't like where it was going.

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Do we escorted them out? You three are on the license. Yes,.

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You all understand that, as the licensees you're totally responsible for any liquor sales, correct.

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Conduct and so on so forth, correct are the three of you. Tips are tam certified.

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Is anybody tips or tams certified? No, no. You understand what that is. No, no! It's a alcohol.

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Education program that says, you've been educated on how to monitor, monitor the alcohol sales.

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So it would be probably an advantage for one of you at least one of you to be tips.

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Or tam certified, I think it's a requirements requirement yeah, it's a requirement. Yeah I mean.

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Willing to do it, it's you know I am, but probably scott's younger he'd probably be willing to do it.

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Too, but uh you know we I'm old enough to have been enough places. uh I knew all the warning.

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Signals, I think yeah, but because it is required, one of you would have to take the course. That's.

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That's fine whatever is it or it can be anybody in the business? It doesn't have to be a licensee.

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Okay, it could be anybody you know. Is that a course that's given here? Where is the course available at.

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The very business organization- yes organization- it doesn't have to be the licensees anybody in the.

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Club anybody in the club doesn't have to be the applicant right, I mean there's an online. Is it an.

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In-Person class in-person class and we're gonna be offering it soon so we'll be in touch. Okay,.

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So, there's also a concern that this board often has about.

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Do you accept vertical licenses, horizontal licenses? How do you distinguish.

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When the people of ages, they come into your doors. Things like that yeah we have the posted.

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Things right there beside of the the alcohol core and the uh we use the same people at the.

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Door they they know. You know you have a policy about accepting vertical licenses. Yeah yeah, you.

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Don't do it, you don't do it yeah you're accepted okay. So if someone comes into the door of the.

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Club and they have a vertical license- they don't get the wrist down right. Right. Yeah is that for.

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Even pennsylvania, do you have pennsylvania club members uh yeah? We do have some pennsylvania club.

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Members, that's yeah. We do have they're able to have vertical license longer uh when they're of.

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Age than maryland, so what would your policy be on the pennsylvania vertical again, you're checking.

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The date I mean you know, you're you're checking the date today. They understand the procedure.

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To check the date to qualify, they understand today of your birthday is important. How many.

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People do you usually have at these events, we average 150 to 2 uh 2 30, something like that.

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Now, before covet hit, uh our building code is 267 and we were probably averaging 240 to 250.

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uh A little a little less, a little more people are uncomfortable with coming in so in your floor plan,.

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I didn't see that there's a an actual bar area. No, there is no bar area, no we're not we're any we're.

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Not selling alcohol, we it's part of the ticket to get into a function that alcohol has served. We do.

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Yes, we have never taken a dollar for alcohol, so it's a one set fee for their ticket right.

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Includes and it's all food and drinks, all you can drink, yeah yeah and we monitor that, like I say,.

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One time we had to take somebody- and I don't know it- I've missed any functions in the last 10 years.

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But we've had one incident, we're pretty fortunate, really but uh everything we everything in our.

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Functions is a three-hour time limit, so if they're eating- and uh somebody really has.

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To be getting out of control in three hours, it's not like they're hanging around you know.

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I was young once too, you hang around the bar a little too long that doesn't happen. There.

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So, mr bedford, how looking at a timeline, obviously they're.

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Well, I think you're covered right now with one day licenses through the end of the year.

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Correct yeah and you want your nascar one- is march. Well, our first one next year will be.

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Oyster feed january, the 28th we have our calendar out our next first time next year will be january.

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The 28th well hopefully by we have we will be up and running this class before then yeah. If not, we.

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Can I can touch base, so we can find someone who can teach this class for you, okay, yeah, so you're.

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Looking for the license come the turn of the year, yes really yeah you're covered until then, yeah.

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Yeah, gentlemen, I think it would be wise if it's possible for at least two or three of you, members.

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Who take either tips or tams class or we're in the process of getting a class.

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Instructor approved by either our inspectors to be able to offer the class.

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Itself, I think it would be advantageous to you in other ways not only serving alcohol, but.

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You have 125 to 225 people there and so, and sometimes uh it's more than just actually handling.

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Alcohol and fake ids, and so on and so forth. It's what two hours three hours three hours, uh three.

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Hours, if you have a strict instructor, if you have a experienced instructor, sometimes it's not three.

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Hours but anyway, there is a test at the end too, so pay attention to your strict instructors.

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But it's you know, it's not like you had calculus or geometry, or something like that in school.

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Any other questions jill. No. Is it a common sense test? It's common sense. This we'll be.

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Honest, I wouldn't go that far. No, you wouldn't go that far. There's a question about alcohol.

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Consumption and blood alcohol content- you might be a host one at your place too. Oh.

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Okay, that's not an option, two, okay, what what we're trying to do? One a month in this building.

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And then one a month, someplace else, if someone wants to host one.

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Hey we have the building larry you're in the boonies too, but do you have anybody in the club.

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Who is in the restaurant, business or management, or anything like that?.

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No not at present time, not at the present time. No, I you guys know, I can't think of anything. I.

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May be certified no well, I mean we've kind of been in it. You know, as the volunteer.

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Organization, uh you know I've been there a good while scott and carol's been there several years.

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Well, you might have someone that works at a restaurant. uh We have somebody that has passed.

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Restaurant experience, but they haven't been there, I mean it, I mean the same day might be someone.

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That might already have this training too. Probably we do. uh Susan cox, yes, probably does have it.

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Because what about wednesday yeah? But she doesn't she's only there like on friday evenings, who.

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From his boy, his wife, she works at buttersburg inn, but they don't have to tell him they don't.

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Have alcohol? I don't have alcohol no, but susan cox is a member of fact. She's past president.

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And uh she's moving on up to uh maryland district governor, she does have past restaurant experience.

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And serving alcohol experience, we've had her there uh different times.

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During covet, we actually working with the health department, we handed physically handed the beer to.

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People they suggested we do that, so it wasn't where he could go to the core door and get.

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Yourself, a beer and somebody else was checking you. She actually handed the alcohol to them. So the way.

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It works now, there's a cooler of beer and people go and get it themselves yeah. We kind of monitor.

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That yeah we have, uh we have very observant people, that's watching. What's going on, we.

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Just come out of a crab feed and and we keep our prices low, but we have people, that's in the crowd.

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And they knew somebody was trying to uh bag some crab legs and stuff to take.

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Home so yeah we don't intrude on anybody's rights, but uh we run a decent ship. I think.

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The reason I asked you that is is possible that I don't know about susan, but somebody may be a.

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Waitress or has been a waitress or something like that, would be very familiar with tips or tams.

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Of course, so yeah you can we'll put it out to the club we'll find somebody, but you know.

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Like I say, we'll probably get a couple of us to do it. uh I do have one question. I guess.

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Scott's young but carol- and I is a little older- uh this license- gets in our name. What.

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What happens down the road? Why is it.

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The license is issued to to you three okay.

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That can be subject to change according to the wishes of the the license, z. Okay, what I mean by.

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That as a business change as a restaurant changes, we're going to have a couple discussions here.

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Today, where there's a change of license, e people, move, sell business and so on and so forth. So an.

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Application is made for a new license z, and it's though different from from what you all would do.

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As any other arrest, is that what you see sometime as a transfer yeah.

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They're, a club, that's what I was going to get into you. You miss vancey, will explain to you.

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Class c license are a little different than the others. She can go ahead and explain to him.

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um Every year, when you renew there'll, be a form in there for the three officers of the club and.

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You guys don't have to come back before the board. You just write in if the officers change. Okay, you.

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Just write their names in and then they become the licensing. Okay, okay, see it's a little different.

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It's rather informal because of the the licenses not issued to everybody. You.

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Have certain requirements to get a class c at the d, so on so forth, and most of those are to.

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Fraternal organizations, fire companies and so on and so forth. Thus we know that the officers.

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Change and so on and so forth and, as he just pointed out, that's the procedure. Okay, otherwise.

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For a class b license a restaurant license or something like that. You just do what I explained.

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Which we're going to have some questions here today from change of ownership? Okay,.

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Any questions, gentlemen. No, I don't have anything.

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Dr benfer, you have any comments. The only only major change, another major change. You.

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Might see is you can only buy an alcohol through a distributor now.

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Okay, the contact so uh or okay. I understand that okay.

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You get a cheaper price, yeah, it's a little inconvenience but yeah, because.

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There isn't somebody there all the time I know I mean I deal with that all the time.

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But get a bulk order, I can no longer go to the liquor barn, in other words, no, no.

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Okay, if you do.

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There could be okay change of license. Okay, gotta buy it from the distributor.

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We we actually done that one time we tried it, it was such an inconvenience uh uh offloading.

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uh Those guys never know the time that they'll be there for sure, and but so we decided it.

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Wasn't worth a couple bucks you saved, but we do what we have to do. Yeah, it's not like when.

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Joe, what's his name keith, it's probably for both all your times.

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Oh, I can't think his name. His wife's got a horse farm off of taylorville road.

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I'm lost, I don't know what you're drunk joe joe joe hank stram, had the distributorship on deer.

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Park, road and so forth, they those guys were local distributors and now you know for wineries, and I.

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Mean you only do beer right, yeah yeah I mean this license, will allow you you could sell wine yeah.

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We never got into much wine, I mean I mean they make miniature bottles of wine yeah. No, we no.

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We strictly our our functions, are geared to beer.

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Public functions, yes um bolingbrook you might want to. You- might want to contact bolingbrook.

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Down the street from you, they get their alcohol through a distributor too. Okay, okay,.

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There might be some, you might be arranged something.

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Yeah, I hope to let yeah okay. We can probably work it out. Well, I'm closer.

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To you yeah, I could carol has a lot of free time too. He's he's gotten older, so.

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Is it can't, do you handle canned beer or draft beer? Can cans, oil cans, all cans? They just reached.

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In and we went away from draft years ago, I've been there for a long time. Yes, I guess: okay, gentlemen,.

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Any questions, yes, sir. Any final comments. Larry, um you guys think anything. You want anything. No. I.

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Was saying just to go to this class? What's your name and address? Oh, I'm sorry carol, edward smith,.

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uh 210 bucher john road union bridge maryland greig's to you, mr browning. I remember you from 4-h.

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If you had hosting cattle- and I showed guernsey's, I won't hold that against. You.

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Anyway, as far as going to this class, we larry said about scott being younger, and I mean I.

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Would be willing to attend it, but, like larry said he and I are older, but scots could maybe.

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Be to transition and train the rest of us or whatever you know, that's what I was saying.

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It's a good idea, but anybody in the club can go can go just yeah, we'll probably bring. I have to.

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Say my name again: no we'll probably bring more than one we'll, probably bring. You know uh some.

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Of the old guys, ain't got nothing to do like me. Yeah we'll probably bring a couple old guys and.

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A couple younger we've picked up some new younger members, that's very good members and they want to.

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Learn so this is part of learning as we get older, uh you know it has to go down to somebody so.

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Scott's kind of leading that parade as one of the younger guys but he's been there a.

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Good while, but we have other young people, we've just taken a board so we'll probably bring in.

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Three four, maybe, is that okay, no no yeah or you can come up to our place. If you want to do a class.

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That's okay! This is all brand new for us too, so this is very pretty easy to work with I mean I'm.

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We're working we're getting done worst case scenario, I'll bring someone in from the outside.

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And get it done for you? Okay, it's a good idea to have whoever's, taking the courses to be someone.

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Who is probably going to be at the events? Right? Yes? Yes, yes, I agree. Yeah, I understand, and this.

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Course the training lasts for four years. You expire after four years. Okay, it's a three-hour.

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Course, today, okay, well, that's the goal right now, we'll see when we actually teach it. I do.

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Three hour real estate classes, but I don't have to pass the test we'll be fine, any other questions. No.

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No hearing, none the testimony and evidence and so forth is all closed and you'll now deliberate.

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The validity and so forth, of whether they have a valid reason and or fit and proper to hold a.

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Alcohol class c license. Mr chairman, I think clearly, these gentlemen are fit and proper.

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They're very involved in their community. They do a lot of volunteer work. They do a lot of good.

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Things lions club does a lot of good things, so I think that they're, men of character and.

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uh I think that's not a question for us. um I also believe from the testimony that they will.

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If granted, this license will um operate it in a very responsible sense of they. I think understand.

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Our concerns about underaged drinking and also over drinking, and uh I think.

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They knew that before they even walked in the door. So your honorable, mr chairman, I.

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I just elevated you.

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Those are my thoughts I I would uh like to hear from my fellow commissioner and but I would be.

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In favor of granting the application, I agree with everything that was that the commissioner barnhart.

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Just stated, I think these three gentlemen are fit and proper uh to hold. This liquor license they've.

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Already had these events before and they seem like they've, been very, very responsible uh with.

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With having them, they've only had one incident in all the years that they've uh they've been.

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Doing this and they took care of that incident- and I applaud them for that. So with all that.

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Said I can make a motion uh chairman if it's okay with you, it's okay with me, I'm making a motion to.

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Approve the new class c beer wine license to be issued to larry w stumble and wesley s, senseni.

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And carol e smith to for the use of terror, aruba, lions, club trading as terra river, lions, club, 6300.

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Middleburg road kenmore maryland 21757 in election district 10. with just one stipulation that one.

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Person becomes tips or tam certified within your club, at least at least. That will happen. Yeah.

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uh I was second that motion motion's been made and properly seconding that this commission approved.

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The application for a class c beer and wine license to be issued to larry w stambaugh wesley.

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W s senseney and carolee smith for the use of tear ruba lions club trading as terraruba lions club.

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Any further discussion on the motion: yes, sir, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed.

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No, so what are the eyes? Have it? Congratulations. Gentlemen. Now, just tell us tell these people.

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Two of us up here are lines, so we are kind of familiar, but just tell us how many scholarships.

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And and community uh donations and so forth that that you all serve up there in terraruba.

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uh We have great support from our communities. We put all our money back in the communities.

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We serve francis scott key uh and we cross. Some of our members are from frederick county, so we cross.

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Into frederick county- and we consider walkersville and our scholarship program, we give a minimum of.

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Two thousand dollars every year or a combination of more than one scholarship to reach 2000. We do.

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A a bingo to support that fund strictly. That fund has some revenue in it uh to support it.

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For a while other functions, we do we do anything in the community past things we've done and we're.

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Not looking for an emergency uh years ago, there was a fire in keymar. uh The lions actually went.

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Out there, and uh just about rebuilt the entire house uh myself, I remember agnes in 72 I was a.

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Young line at that time I left the lions club because of other family obligations for a while.

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I come back, but in 72 I shoveled mud in detour. A foot deep out of homes were there for all those.

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Kind of disasters we just support anything in the community. We do a lot in vision as the lions up.

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There would know were the top contributor in our district for uh site conservation. We contributed.

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I think around seven grand last year to that service alone, and some of that goes.

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To disaster relief, also, when you have floods other places, it goes all over the world, but.

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We support all the national things all the things we're supposed to, but we're very much there for.

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Anything that comes up in that community and we have members not only from middleburg or keymar.

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As a zip code relates to our members, come in from new ones or westminster, tony town, the union.

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Bridge crossing into lowe's town, whatever over in frederick county to woodsboro walkersville.

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We're kind of a hub and we're kind of proud of it, uh because we set real close to the freddie.

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County line, but we worked worked real well with everybody, and we we're just so grateful for the.

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Community supports us, and we put it back, how many members do you have now we have 61. I think.

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Right now we're the second largest club, I think in carroll county right now.

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People we we're a light uh hearted club where you come and you have fun uh you have to when you're.

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Hunting volunteers: to do the projects we do, they have to have fun nobody. We just work together.

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We had a special uh 50th anniversary there sunday afternoon and so many of the people.

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Commented to me about how well uh it just gets done and everybody works so good together and.

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We're so proud of that uh function. Look at the people we have. I might add that we.

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Support veterans, yes, big. We take money and 500 dollars down every year to martinsburg.

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Reach across america we have four centers we're supporting this year. 211 grave sites with threes.

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And we got all the sponsors and donations for that uh we do for shut-ins for the holidays. We take.

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Bursaries of what are around to them so we're very supportive of the community.

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Last year you haven't said a word [laughter], um these guys tell them the truth. Yes, [laughter].

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I don't want to say the wrong thing. The gentleman on behalf of the board of license commissioners.

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Congratulations on all the efforts and all the good work that you put in for the community and.

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We wish you the best success with these licensing continued success. I know it's a lot of hard work.

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And it's a volunteer organization and you do great jobs up there. We thank you. Thank you. If you have.

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Any questions at any time don't hesitate to contact our office. Our inspectors, ms vance.

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Attorney any questions anytime that we can be of assistance to you. That's what our staff's here for.

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So congratulations and good luck. Continued! Good luck! Thank you! So much! Thank you. We appreciate it.

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It's uh been a pleasure working through joe to get this done. We had a couple things we didn't realize.

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What we were getting into quite in detail, uh but uh joe led us through it, as as always I've dealt.

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With joe a whole lot getting individual one-day license, and we appreciate what joe and keith.

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Has done and they keith kind of led us to this direction. We wasn't looking to go there, but he.

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Kept telling us hey, you guys, can save some money in the wrong run and keep it in the community.

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So that's what we're doing and we thank you. Thank you all we'll see you thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Our next scheduled case is a few minutes away. You all received a copy of the minutes.

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And you have a copy there before you: are there any corrections or additions to the minutes.

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They'll stand approved as presented.

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Well, I guess the only thing under new business that we can discuss at.

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This time would be a request from sergios to get a corkage permit.

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Customers coming in who want to bring a special wine from time to time.

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We have a letter we'll bring it up to the club, I'm sure it's like a byob bringing their own.

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Wine in well kind of I mean yeah, I mean you know we have tantrum and one other place that has.

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Yeah, I haven't really seen many since I've been on the board.

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Yeah, they are very few and far but the first one I've seen do. We have a room number.

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I don't think so. I think it's state code yeah. I don't think.

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We ever ruin our book for that yeah, okay,.

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That's the first one I see so antrim has it? Is it on their license or is it.

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Yeah, it actually says I mean there's no oaks or anything.

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So it's it's not even.

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Who's, the licensee on sergios, sergios, yeah, rick.

K

He's the owner he's a licensee, yes um he's the owner. I think his wife's actually licensee.

G

Yeah because it's a brand I mean.

F

One of these times, when we go in there for lunch, we can take a look at the license.

A

Your assignment for next week- yes, um hello, hello, so it is yeah line me up, didn't have one of.

C

Those did they on theirs when they were open, no absolutely yeah. There is another place, but I'm.

C

I'm I can't remember right now. I thought there was two, but what about your cousin or something.

C

Permit I mean yeah, all she doesn't sell wine.

F

Okay country, cork, county court, county court, yeah.

F

I'll go see oscars, but it's down. I know it was down ellsberg but yeah. That's.

L

Right yeah just put a squiggle down into the video, so it's a maggies.

M

Yeah yeah: are we still discussing the corkage? Yes, sir yeah so awesome? Thank you.

G

Someone can bring an unopened wine.

G

To one of our licensees after they received written permission from us and it's and that that.

G

Permission is actually stated on their license. That hangs just says: permit okay, so it's a permit.

G

That we should just because put on their license that gets on the wall and, of course, it's only fine.

C

And they have to decant it for the patrons lessons he does yes, employee of the licensee.

G

Yeah we already have, I don't either. It sounds like a rare thing fairly. It's.

F

Usually, usually for the higher end wines company, I mean restaurants. Oh restaurants,.

F

It doesn't like someone brings a special wine, that's because they usually charge a fee to do it.

G

And will there be a fee charged here? We know I don't know. Well I mean just on the face of.

G

What we had before so I I have no problem with it yeah I don't. I don't either. [music] Okay.

F

Whose name's on the request, rick stoltz? Okay,.

C

And this is the only other thing that catherine's cause the invitation.

A

That's a episcopal church across from the courthouse.

F

I think ascension church, yes crossing the court. He said first.

F

What time is it seven to nine december, the first seven to nine.

A

F

With me last year, yeah I went with you last year. I'd probably go this.

E

Year, if you need somebody to go with you, I mean anybody. I mean it's welcome to attend.

A

And they spoke to me at uh another event, where I saw her in.

A

Know said that the invitation would be forthcoming and invited all of us.

G

And what will happen at the event? Just? Is it normal, yeah yeah? It's just there's a lot of people.

G

Is there standard or is this something different talk? A lot of people give us speeches and talk.

E

About it, catherine's cards yeah. What I'm saying is this that they had a regular basis. Don't they.

G

uh As I'm saying, is this a special event that they're having that they invite us.

G

To yes, okay, if they remember, everybody was killed by drunk killed yeah in a car crash.

F

And then that's what this is yeah right and then they light candles for everybody in previous years.

F

It's very sobering experience, yeah.

G

Yeah I attended something similar with the drug overdoses right. It's the same idea.

F

Incidentally, since you mentioned that, I don't know if, if you all know well.

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uh [music] Linda, our back linda is uh been in charge of the county health department's drug.

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Prevention and so on and so forth, and made some videos and so forth that have gotten.

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National attention so forth, linda is retiring from the health department december. The 1st.

A

And they are having a reception sunday, no thursday, tomorrow at the elks.

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From uh four to seven, I think it is if anybody would like to drop by and.

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Wish her well so and so forth uh asked for an rsvp, but I'm sure that she would.

A

Be happy to see anybody that to stop by and wish her well she's. Quite the lady. She is.

A

All right we're going by my watch and my watch says it's 10 45.

A

So at this time I would ask mr dixon to call case 6420, please all right case, 6420, an application for.

B

A new class b beer wine and liquor license to be issued to jason chang for the use of.

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Western maryland or wm llc trading as hezekiah 68 530 germar lane westminster maryland 21157 in.

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Election district 7. and to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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Notice public hearing october 28, 2022 and october 27 2022 letter from kelly schaefer miller to.

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The board and then there's an application and the application contains comment memos.

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Character, references.

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Notice of hearing.

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Menu mba records see just records.

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Workman's comp insurance, sdat.

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Information, a floor plan.

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Operating agreement plot plans, other licensed establishments, sdat information.

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Financial information and a lease I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

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They'll accept that into evidence it's time, I'd ask all those who intend to.

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Testify in the case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

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To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You may be seated.

A

But this time miss kelly. You may proceed. Thank you good morning, mr chair members of the board.

N

Kelly schaefer miller, 73 east main street westminster maryland 21157. I will also take.

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This opportunity, briefly to introduce our new business partner at the firm matt herff.

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Who's here observing, so you won't, you won't hear from him. Don't worry he's not here in.

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Opposition, but I just wanted to to introduce you and let you know who he is and why he did.

N

Not take the oath this morning he looks like an attorney, but he also looks like a tax collector.

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Or something like that, so I thought you know at least he's not here in the second capacity.

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um Thank you for the introduction of the file by mr dixon. I am here today representing izakaya.

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I have mr jason chang present and seated to my left. This is an application for a new restaurant.

N

License izakaya the location of izakaya is in the 140 village shopping center kind of a caddy corner.

N

Across from the entrance of liberty series, if you recall there used to be another restaurant there.

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As well, this is a new restaurant operation there they did open for a limited period of time and.

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Have been going through some permitting um things through the county so currently it's closed and.

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We understand that any approval by this board today would be conditioned on finalizing all of.

N

The permit approvals through the county when we initially applied for this application, we.

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Did not yet have a building occupancy count, so we applied for this license as a class b. Beer.

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Wine liquor, the occupancy number actually came in at 49 people, so we amended the application.

N

To a class b beer wine license, so I just wanted to clarify that, depending on there was a supplemented.

N

Application filed, but I just wanted to make sure that as you're reviewing the file, it's clear that.

N

The application has been for a class b beer wine license yeah. I see that you had two applications.

E

In here, so the recent one is beer wine. Yes, that's correct! Yes, so with that I would call mr chang mr.

N

Chang, can you please state your name, spelling your last name and your address for the record jason.

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Chang last name spell c h: a n g address is 816 hermann way, sykesville maryland on zip code, 21784.

N

Registered voter and taxpayer in carroll county. Yes, I am.

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Everything you say and it gets picked up. Okay, mr chang, you heard my introduction of the case.

N

Is it accurate that you have applied to this board for a class b beer wine license for a new.

N

Restaurant, yes, that is correct. Okay and location of this restaurant. It's located on 530, germer.

O

Lane westminster maryland uh zip code 21157 and is that in the existing 140 village shopping center.

N

Yes, it is, is it correct that there was previously another restaurant there? Yes, but that restaurant.

N

Has closed and this will be a new operation? Is that accurate, correct and you are you leasing the.

N

Same space that was the previous restaurant. Yes, I am have you so you heard again in my opening that.

N

This location did open initially without a liquor license, as you went through this process, is that.

N

Accurate that is correct, and do you understand that you have to have received all required county.

N

Permits before this board would actually issue your license, if approved here today. Yes, okay,.

N

As part of your application, did you provide a copy of the anticipated menu for this location.

O

Yes, I did, is it, do you anticipate that that could change here and there with.

N

Menu items, um ingredient, accessibility and that sort of thing. Yes, I do expect some changes. Okay,.

N

Well, our plan that you provided for this application now, initially, this application.

N

Was for a class b, beer wine and liquor and now is for a class b beer wine. But can you explain.

N

The general service of these tables at the shown on the floor plan is it are waitresses.

N

And waiters provided: do they walk up to a bar, explain how service occurs? This is a sit-down.

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Family-Friendly style, restaurant, where we will have staff members, such as waiter or.

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Waitresses that will be walking around to each table and providing our best customer service.

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That we can so each table will be fully taken care of with hospitality in mind, with falling.

O

Service and engagement and interactive with both customers and our staff members.

N

And can you describe what your role will be in this business? I'm the supervising manager and.

O

Slash owner so I'll be on the floor both with interacting and engaging with our guests. That.

O

We'll be dining in as well as making sure that my staff are well trained and following store.

O

Policies as well as county and state laws in maintaining a safe working environment and a.

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Clean working environment to serve up to our guests. Is this your full-time job? Yes, it is.

N

And do you have any experience in the industry and serving alcoholic beverages? Yes, I do.

N

Generally describe to the board your industry experience in the restaurant industry, um I've.

O

Been in the restaurant industry for about 18 years, I've held liquor licenses over time for about 11.

O

To 10 or 11 years, my first liquor license, I held was located in clarksville maryland out in howard.

O

County, I was 21 years at the time my first liquor license and I took full responsibility of my.

O

Parents, restaurants, as well as other restaurants, that came along the way throughout my years.

N

In that capacity, do you have individual experience in the serving of alcoholic beverages? Yes, I do.

N

Really explain what experience you have: um I've been tips and tamp certified I've also.

O

Taken multiple classes for alcohol awareness as well as surf safe certification, an operating in.

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A restaurant, I'm also part, was part of the bartender's guild in baltimore to join this.

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Guild, it requires a lot of not just knowledge in bartending, but also safety concerns, while.

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Operating in any type of restaurant or a bar scene in the city of baltimore, so it's not something.

O

That can be easily joinable, but with experience wise I've been taught by many great mentors as.

O

Well, as hands-on experience in many of my stores that I've operated in in your experience as part.

N

Of the baltimore city bartenders guild, were you involved in the service at locations that were.

N

Very crowded and and difficult to monitor, patrons yes um in the bartender school, how this guild.

O

Works is it's not a set location for bartenders to gather it's more like um selected locations on.

O

A weekly basis, so we've operated in small bars. We also operate in very large overcrowded bars. Some.

O

Examples will be um the uh the mediterranean sea bar the bygone. These are all located at the four.

O

Seasons in baltimore, so these are very crowded, heavily heavy traffic bars, as well as other small.

O

um Busy bars located in canton square and throughout the streets of boston, boston, street.

N

Approximately, how many employees do you anticipate having at this location.

O

um At izakaya 6a, I anticipate having anywhere between 7 to 10 employees. This includes both.

O

The kitchen and the front end in your role at izakaya. Will you be responsible for the hiring.

N

And training of employees, I'm the sole personnel responsible for hiring and training employees.

N

Will you require every manager to be tips or tams certified? Yes,.

N

And do you also have an in-house training policy that all of your employees are.

N

Required to participate in yes, as part of that policy, have you discussed or have you made a.

N

Decision on whether you will or will not accept vertical ids, we will not accept vertical ids.

N

Will you do you anticipate having signage in the restaurant related to your service.

N

um Of alcoholic beverages- yes, we'll have signage posted both at the front of the.

O

Store the storefront, as well as around the store back I spend near the bar area.

N

As part of your in-house training, do you also specify and go through all of this board's rules.

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And regulations with your staff- uh yes, we will be. We also have a copy of the carroll county.

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um Up my rules and policies in regards to the liquor board um at our bar.

N

Have I made you aware of the carol of carroll county's.

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um The state, what we call the state's attorney's diversion program that this board participates.

N

In with the state's attorneys, yes, you have okay, and do you uh have a plan to train your.

N

Employees and and ensure that they're notified of that program, this will be included in our.

O

Training to let them know that they are also liable for any issues upcoming. This is also.

O

Very similar to the rules and regulations set by baltimore city liquor board as well.

N

And as part of your in-house training, do you offer your employees some copy of policies that.

N

They then acknowledge as part of that training. Yes, they all have to sign a policy acknowledging.

O

All the rules and regulations that are set by not my company, but also by me, to be employed in.

O

Our restaurant is that something that you know as time progresses if things change you reevaluate.

N

And increase the training in certain areas or revise according to any updates by this board. Yes,.

N

Now this application has been filed with the name izakaya wmllc. Is that accurate, correct.

N

And are you a member of izakaya wmllc? Yes, I am what percentage of ownership interest do you.

N

Hold in izakaya uh ten percent, and can you please explain the other members of izakaya.

O

um One so other member, um his name is kam. You wong or goes by edward wong.

N

Or do you know him? Do you find him to be a trustworthy business partner? He is.

O

A trustworthy business partner- he is also the ceo of our restaurant group that we represent.

N

And I have explained to you and you understand that although this application includes.

N

Izakaya wm llc that you are individually responsible to this board correct, correct.

N

And you realize that this board will look to you in the event of any issues, any reason to notify.

N

You or communicate with you correct, correct. Have you made yourself familiar with this board's rules.

N

And regulations packet that you spoke about as that little book. Yes, I have okay and are you.

N

Willing to comply with all of those regulations. Yes, I will. Those are my only questions of mr chang.

E

Mr chang, I have a question: um are you going to have a card all policy, or are you going to have.

E

A certain age cut off age for you card um for our card off policy. It's we don't accept. Protocol ids.

O

Even if you're above the age of 21 as long as it's a vertical id, we do not accept it if, for example,.

O

A military personnel came in with a military id, we do accept those, but I will personally be the.

O

One to double check the dates on that. I will not allow my staff members to double check the dates.

O

On those okay, so my question actually is your your carting policy is: is it going to be a card.

E

All do you card everyone, or is it a certain age that someone look like they're 40 or we will be.

O

40., we will be carding everyone. um This is how I train my staff, um everyone that looks questionable.

O

um If they're not graying in hair um or balding, um if you have to second guess yourself, then please.

O

Card them um the moment, your mind says: is he old enough or is she old enough? You have to card that.

E

Individual okay, so you're kind of leaving it up to the server right um to the server, but usually.

O

A good way I could explain to them is: if they don't look over 60, then you have to card them.

E

So so it's not going to be a card all policy, then yes, okay,.

G

Any questions, mr chang, you said that uh you once were on a, I believe. You said.

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This a liquor license in howard, county, yes, and that was a family restaurant.

O

um I was on a family restaurant, a restaurant outside of the family, as well as a liquor store.

O

As well, okay, so you've been on three separate liquor licenses, yes correct and you never had.

G

One revoked never never suspended, never oh clean record, no violations, that's great.

E

Do you have another restaurant other than the isakaya right now um personally own? No, but I do.

O

Manage telemanage when I am not at well when I'm not at those locations, I tell a managed, because I.

O

Also have a management team that directly reports to me for all problems at our other locations.

G

What is a yakitori bar yakitoribar is a japanese style, barbecue grill bar.

O

um What it is is think of like street barbecue, but brought into a restaurant establishment.

O

Barbecue on a food cart in a sense, it's on a food cart. Yes, okay,.

G

And when you're strike that, how often do you intend to be on the premises.

O

um At when we were in operation when we were open, I was there six days a week and.

O

We were open six days a week and is that what you intend to you're going forward.

G

That's that's. Your uh presence at the restaurant will be similar. Yes, correct.

E

Yep and will izakaya be open six days a week or seven days a week or.

O

um Once we have our full um license, once we have our liquor license and our kitchen, we evaluate.

O

It and we prepare it and once we receive all our permits, we are planning on open seven days a week.

G

And when is that, um hopefully, within the next two months,.

A

But when you say liquor license we're just talking about beer and wine. Yes, just beer and wine.

G

And I I think you testified that you're currently tips are tam certified you've.

G

Your your alcohol management training is is up to date. Yes,.

A

I think I missed it, but I think you already said how many employees do you say: you're planning to.

A

Have seven or eight is that what you said, uh seven to ten total seven to ten foreign.

A

Operation be um hours of operation will be from 12 p.m. To 9 pm.

A

Seven days, seven days, yes get that point. Yes,.

A

How many other restaurants will you be managing? uh I currently telemanage seven other restaurants.

A

And they're located in the baltimore washington area, um d.c maryland virginia.

A

I assume they're all similar type restaurants. I specialize in asian restaurants, so japanese.

O

And then I telemanage a team that specializes in something called urban hot pot. So it's a chinese.

O

Style, shabu-shabu soup, restaurant- if that makes sense no, but it's all right. The soup part they got.

G

And I probably missed this, so do you have a separate business, a company uh that does.

G

The restaurant managing or do you have ownership interest in these other restaurants, so I am just a.

O

Regional manager, supervisor for a restaurant group and my goal, my priorities and responsibilities.

O

Is managing uh storefronts? That's my specialty. I also have a lot of knowledge in the store back end.

O

As well in the kitchen scene, but my main purpose right now is one the location that izakaya 68 and.

O

Then I also manage teams that I've set up at other locations. So my question is: do you have ownership.

G

Interests in these other restaurants or you just a manager, just say, manager, no ownership interest.

G

That's pretty uh fair amount of work that you're allow on your plate. um I've been raised in this.

O

Scenario where, even though I have managed seven stores um under one person, I had more.

O

Job responsibilities than I have currently in this company, so I believe you guys have probably.

O

Dealt with my parents, they own the katana sushi located in eldersburg. I believe they were here.

O

For a liquor board meeting, possibly two years ago, give or take, if you've gotten to know them.

O

My parents are very strict group of restaurant owners. They've been doing this for almost 35 36.

O

Years I've been trained what I've to be from the best. I've also worked under apprenticeship under.

O

Two michelin star um chefs throughout my years as well so and they're training and their regimen.

O

Are much more strict than what this company or these seven restaurants can provide for me? Well,.

G

I am familiar with katana and your parents, and uh and they're wonderful people, and just thank you.

A

Any other questions this yeah, I don't have any hearing numb you may proceed. Thank you. I would.

N

Conclude my testimony of mr chang and I would call two character witnesses um if you guys want.

N

To why don't you just both sit right up there in front of in front of microphones? At the same time,.

A

Now, when you call to character witnesses are, are they.

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Character witnesses for this gentleman or are they characters? I don't know enough about them.

N

I would first call mr david chang david: can you please state your name spelling your last name and.

N

Address for the record, my name is david chang. Last name I spell c-h-a-n-g current home address is.

P

11624 norwich lane ellicott city maryland, zip code will be 21042. and how do you know jason uh this.

P

Is my older brother and how long have you known, jason my whole life? Do you find him you've heard.

N

All of his testimony here today do you find jason to be a fit and honest person to hold a liquor.

N

License, yes, are you familiar with the location of izakaya? Yes, do you believe that it will be a.

N

Benefit to have a restaurant, with a liquor license at that location. Yes, those are my only questions.

N

Okay, thank you said c. Is your older brother, as you have grown up, he didn't beat up on. You did.

A

He no he's a very good brother. Did he pay you to say that absolutely not. If anything I haven't.

P

Been home for quite some time either, but even though, when I've been overseas for five years.

P

He still holds his standards and he has taken care of my youngest brother and my family, but.

N

All right, I would next call I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name guzman.

N

Yes, kind of okay, um can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for.

N

The record, I think I might have to spell my first name too. Yes, so my name is jenner josue.

Q

Guzman barrios, I my address, is 14 200 oakvale street rockville maryland zip code 20853 last.

Q

Name first last name is spelled g-u-z-m-a-n. Second last name spelled b-a-r-r-I-o-s.

Q

And it's first name spelled y-e-n-e-r.

N

Right, mr guzman, how long have you known jason.

Q

uh Almost four four years: okay and then what how do you know, jason.

Q

I've known him uh originally, I worked for him uh as a line cook in the rockville location.

Q

Where I currently reside and then from there we I moved over to howard county or not moved over.

Q

But started working in the howard car location, where I currently work as his assistant manager.

N

And you've heard uh jason's testimony here today. Do you find him to be a fit and proper person to.

N

Hold a liquor license. Yes, are you familiar with where izakaya is located? Okay, do you believe that.

N

It will be a benefit to the public to have a restaurant with a license at that location. Yes,.

N

Those are my only questions of mr guzman. Any questions.

A

That concludes my testimony.

A

Bedford, do you have any comments before we close the testimony? I met jason, but a month ago, when the.

F

Restaurant was open very friendly, I think it'd be a good location for a liquor license and I think.

F

Knowing that the half an hour I talked to him, I think he'd be fit and proper to hold a liquor.

F

License back testimony is now closed. Are there any closing statements at this time? Miss kelly.

N

Very briefly, I think you've heard um testimony from a very qualified applicant with excellent.

N

Experience in the industry, I know that not everybody has the capacity to have that level.

N

Of experience, but I would submit to you that mr chang's probably ranks pretty high up there.

N

On the experience scale, so I think you will see a successful restaurant run by him and a responsible.

N

Licensee and I do believe he meets all of the qualifications and that this location meets all of.

N

The qualifications for the requested class b beer wine license, so I would request that this board.

N

Approve that license conditioned on receiving any final permits through the county. Thank you.

A

Thank you, dr ben, for any closing comments. No hearing, none testimony and evidence, is.

A

Now closed and we will deliver, it liberate the conditions of the application, as well as the.

A

Decision of this board at this time, gentlemen, you have heard the testimony.

A

Any comments, yes, I'd like to make a comment uh chairman, commissioner barnhart. I find mr.

E

Chang to be fit and proper highly qualified and he comes from a great background and I.

E

Think it would be a asset to the community to have issachar open up in that in that shopping center.

H

Thank you. um Well, I I fully agree with commissioner harmoning.

G

On his points completely, I also fully embrace comments of your attorney. You are probably.

G

If not the most experienced applicant that I've seen since I've been here you're, certainly in.

G

The top two, so your experience in the restaurant business and with regard to alcoholic beverages is.

G

Pretty impressive, and it's um especially your your testimony regarding lack of any problems.

G

During your career in the industry, that speaks highly of you and, as does uh the fact that you.

G

Come from a a background in a family that has done an excellent job from my experience.

G

Down in catano, I think that uh you'll probably follow their their lead in their example. Well,.

G

um All the evidence points to you being qualified uh and a great character, so I will.

G

And my remarks by saying that I feel that you should.

G

uh Granted this license and I will prepare to make a motion uh if the chairman uh wishes me to.

A

I would be happy to hear a motion. I move in the case of 6420 the application for a new class.

G

B, beer and wine license to be issued to jason chang. I move that that application be granted.

E

I would second that I'm sorry and conditioned on obtaining all permit approvals as council.

G

Had mentioned, motion has been properly baited and seconded that the application for a new.

A

Class b, beer and wine license the issue to jason chang for the use of zika wmllc.

A

Any further discussion on the motion: no all those in favor signify is saying. Aye aye opposed no.

A

So, water, congratulations! We wish you uh good luck and long-standing uh successful restaurant at.

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5 30 jeremore lane. Thank you very much. Thank you. Congratulations and best wishes and a few.

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As miss kelly knows and proudly mr chang has had experience, so don't hesitate to call on our.

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Inspectors or staff, if you have any questions at any time, they're there to assist you so with that.

A

Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you and with that we are going to take a 10 minute recess.

A

We're back in session.

A

Next item on our agenda is uh an application by friends of cascade lake llc.

A

Mr dixon, do you have anything to present.

B

No, this is an application for a one-day license. Several one-day licenses at cascade lake.

B

And it was before the board last month we had several questions, if I remember so.

A

Before we move forward, I guess we need to swear in all those who intend to testify in this case.

A

When they're ready, please stand raise your right hands and be sworn in.

A

Joe just wear them in do you swear our firm under penalties of perjury that the.

C

Testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

A

Thank you. Thank you. You may be seated as you testify the first time, please state your full name.

A

And address and spell your last name for the record: please.

A

Who is uh going to be speaking first or tell us what you want.

R

I will julie gochar spell g-o-c-h-a-r home address is 2363 boston, street baltimore, maryland 21224.

A

And what are you wanting one day license for and so on so forth, so we are requesting 22.

R

One-Day licenses during the cascade lights event held at cascade lake um friends of cascade lake.

R

Would like to sell beer and wine with 100 of the proceeds going to our organization.

A

And that that organization is who or what friends of cascade lake.

A

And that's a non-profit that is a non-profit.

A

And who are the principals officers or so forth, of friends of cascade lake.

R

So we have vicki schaefer's our board. President um jess donatello is our secretary.

R

We have two others, jen lito is the at well she's. Acting at this point. um Basically.

R

Fundraising, committee- and that's that's all we have at the moment because we're brand new.

R

I'm acting executive director and I'm responsible for the project that we are where we're taking.

R

On with a stream restoration- and what is the purpose uh that the uh corporation was formed.

G

For so we so, as you guys know, um cascade lake was you know as a privately owned. It.

R

Was a dam you know so when the dam breached several years ago, um it's just been empty.

R

Ever since so this organization was formed to be able to, you know, raise the money necessary.

R

To repurpose the space, so we're kind of we're reimagining it into um a stream. So if you're.

R

Familiar with patapsco state park and howard county, we wanted to kind of resemble that type.

R

Of space, so the stream restoration project that we are beginning to embark on, we have.

R

um It's probably about a 1.8 million dollar project to be able to get this operational again.

R

And we want to make it accessible to the public like it, you know was historically, so it's not a.

G

Swimming hole, not a swimming hole, we went through some analysis and the stream restoration is the.

R

Way to go, you know, there's a lot of benefit to making sure that we get the soil healthy.

R

Again that we create an experience, a recreational experience for other organizations to use camping.

R

Hiking waiting, if you will so and it allows the environment to kind of do what it naturally is.

R

Supposed to do, instead of making the swimming hole was it used before is a swimming area. It was.

R

Yeah yeah it was, I mean I remember, several people remember going there as kids and yeah. It would be.

R

Nostalgic to bring it back to that, but it doesn't make sense from a construction and maintenance to.

R

Keep it going like that, so is your your friends of cascade lake is that an llc or inc inc.

R

So we received our 501c3 status in april.

G

And you're registered with the state to correct solicit funds.

A

This 1.8 million, because that's the total cost of the restoration of what you all want.

A

To do estimated and there's the chesapeake bay foundation or any other organization associated.

A

uh Such as that involved in this restoration yeah, so you have made no application for any grants or.

A

Anything we have a grant with the state to do the initial scope assessment that we were awarded back.

R

In april this year, two hundred fifty thousand dollars and that that's just to do the um the.

R

Studies needed to make sure we know what exact stream restoration project we're going to move.

R

Forward with so it could be 1.2, it could be. 1.8 is kind of the range that we've been given. Are we.

A

Talking about the entire area that encompassed the lake and the surrounding properties.

R

There's eight acres of it is carved out for public access of the 70.. Eight acres is carved.

A

Out for your for this charity, yes and the rest of it will be it's privately owned, privately.

A

Owned and what is expected to happen on that, that's um exactly sure. It's right now, it's a.

R

Swimming club, it's got fields for practices, it's a lot of green space, I'm not sure what.

R

The owner's plans are for that, but it's where they operate camps and the pool- and you know obviously.

R

They're well they're doing the event cascade lights, which is the lighted walking event and.

S

Should I say my name first, um I'm jessica danitell. My last name is [music] d-a-n-n-e-t-t-e-l. My.

S

Address is 476 south hills, court westminster, maryland 21158. um Initially it's been taken.

S

Over mostly like she said for camps, special events, things like that we're moving in the.

S

The organization who owns the property is moving in the direction of basically seeing what needs.

S

The community has for the work there, so obviously camp has been and children's activities and family.

S

Activities have been kind of not number one on the priority. um The pools have been used for.

S

Private parties, recreational organizations we did an extravaganza for easter and then the cascade.

S

Lights and so the idea and concept to there is to be community oriented which also helps support the.

S

Concept behind the eight acres that are parceled off to be the non-profit organization area.

G

So coppermine owns the property and coppermind also owns the property that you're parceling off.

G

For the non-profit, endeavor alex jacobs, yeah owns the property as the land holder.

G

Okay is, is he not copper mine? He does own copper, mine, okay, so you're looking at.

G

Bifurcating, the property it's owned by copper mine, some will has public access.

G

The the stream renovation, maybe yeah- we want to make that community access open to the community.

G

And then the other is is will be for-profit the rest of that property. Is it operational now, okay,.

A

Who signed this check? Alex jacobs, huh alex jacobs.

A

I just wondered: oh he's got a bit of a scribble, doesn't he.

A

How do you figure alex jacob or anybody's beyond me? That's why sign an attorney.

T

No probably just signed a lot of jacks, so you testified that 100 of the proceeds from.

G

Alcohol sales go to the non-profit. Yes, um as am I understand that vendors will be doing the.

G

The uh selling of alcohol for one day, one of those days during our sip and stroll we will.

R

Have other participating brewery that will also, you know, participate in that evening with 20 of.

R

Those proceeds coming to cascade lake okay, correct yeah, so the other days will be the.

R

Allowing alcohol or beer and wine sales during the other 22 nights were open and and the.

G

And the seller will be the friends of cascade lake.

G

And you're, not splitting the proceeds with any vendors or anything like that. You just.

G

Using the money to trying to get some money raised to start what we need to do, we need the.

R

Operational dollars, yeah yeah, will you be selling uh draft beer or cans or whatever we'll do mostly.

R

Cans um seltzers that are really popular wines, yeah everything's, packed yeah, correct, yeah, yeah.

G

And these will be the same type of events again and again and again, and it's called what again.

G

The cascade light cascade, I know, but but the event is going to be ace. Well, there's no one night is a.

R

Sip and stroll right yeah, it's just different than the rest yeah, so the rest are going to.

G

How would you characterize the rest of the events mean family walk through light display yeah? It's.

S

A light display, so um basically it's a one: half mile walk through with tunnels and lights and.

S

um Santa claus yeah, the concept- was just to bring something like this to carroll county.

S

So that all the families don't have to travel so far to be able to enjoy like.

S

Family experiences like this and it's a great property, so it's it's all christmas oriented and.

S

um You know we work with like the schools and organizations in order to do fundraisers for.

S

Them too, like discounts and um you you basically pull up and you get out of your car and you walk.

S

Through the woods and trails and paths and see the lights and music set to lights, so this are.

G

These 20 successive days uh during the holidays. No so it starts the day after thanksgiving and then.

S

It is um those like friday, saturday, sunday night for that weekend and then the following weekend.

S

And then the week leading up to christmas, it's um every night and we did that last year as well. This.

S

Year we added on the additional per community request the additional week after christmas.

S

Because the kids are off school and looking for things to do so, there's been additional nights.

S

Added on to that, okay, I understand better now. Yes, this is a holiday, seasonal, yeah, endeavor, yeah.

E

So how are you going to sell the beer online? We'll have um volunteer staff, okay, you're, going.

E

To have like a set up a booth or oh yeah, yeah. Well so we're set up for like a beer, gardeny.

R

Type of thing where we'll sell it out of um we have a christmas village, so we'll kind of sell.

R

It out of one of the stalls there and we'll you know, do the you know the appropriate idea.

E

So I assume you'll monitor ids or things like that and wristbands, and you will use wristbands.

R

It's the same thing: we did the one night of the sip and stroll last year where it's mostly grown.

R

Up mostly adult, but you know some kids did kind of come through, but they're usually like the tiny.

R

Littles, you know so basically you have a trail situation, type with amnesty's lights and so on.

A

And so forth, similar to somebody walking through a corn maze or something yeah walking around.

G

And they buy a a beer or wine and they stroll and and I mean there's obviously other options- there's.

S

um The bus stops there doing their extreme milkshakes and in the freezing, cold people.

S

Buy them fire pits and there's a christmas village, yeah hot chocolates for the kids, all kinds of fun.

S

Stuff yeah extreme milkshakes have alcohol on them. No, no! Well. They they did. Oh for the sip.

S

And stroll night they did not every day and then that's my question: what day is the sip control.

S

On did you? Are we you're requesting liquor on that day, the sip and strong nights? Yes, there's two.

S

This year we had one last year, they are I'm sorry liquor for the sip and so the or did you just have.

E

A brewery the 23rd, or did you just have a brewery december 23rd we're having a brewery there. The the.

S

um Bus stop did alcoholic milkshakes last year, okay, and they moved they they marked for. Is it.

E

A local brewery that you're having um yes pipe the side. Okay, it's out there in hampstead, mm-hmm.

S

It's been strong, the 20., oh, you got him. Okay. Thank you.

G

So two of the applications are beer, wine and liquor.

E

They should be the sip and strollers. All of them are well, we won't be doing.

S

Liquor on the other nights, not only christmas nights right yeah, we don't want to go there.

G

Santa claus is going to be like every sunday not going to be on the at the bar. Okay, no, not anymore,.

S

But he'll be there every sunday for a photo opportunity, we're not selling pictures or anything.

S

Like that, but just photo opportunities, we're also doing a fun um 12 days of christmas maryland theme.

R

So that's going to be that'd, be fun, vote for displays and a lot of the local businesses put.

R

Up displays and come out and you know, shake hands and give away coupons and things like that. So.

R

I only have to pay 100 bucks to cover the electric and everybody comes in and just makes it a really fun only 50. actually.

A

Any other questions or comments.

A

Ladies, you have anything you'd like to say. Finally, I believe so, unless you have questions.

S

For us, do we have any training requirements for uh alcohol management for, for these type of events,.

G

For one days well, you had the sip and stroll last year. Was there any problem, mr benford, with that? No.

F

Where, well, um probably, the only problem I saw was there was too many people too many people.

E

They they were, they were coming in a lot of people coming in one thing: we do it differently this year,.

R

Is we're staging the time so at all of our ticket sales will be within 30 30 minute increments. To so.

R

We we know when somebody comes in at six or seven or eight, and we don't have the gym. Oh yeah, at the.

F

Event itself, it was spread out, it didn't seem like a lot of people, but when I left at seven.

F

There was a line of cars out to 42.. We changed the parking station yeah everybody because last year,.

S

So obviously, learning curve was our first year. um We just had one set time like between this.

S

Time and this time so everybody was right there at the gate, ready to get in to get started so.

S

This time we're doing ticket sales sold, which we did at the extravaganza we tested it out.

S

um In the easter around easter time- and we did time to entry- so that's going to.

S

Help disperse the crowd and we have limited ticket sales per time to entry, and so you.

S

Know once one slots full, you either have to move to the next slot or pick another day. So.

G

Is there any requirements that we have where they would get the beer? No, they can get by through a.

F

Retail or they can buy it through a distributor, all one-day licenses are allowed to have to do.

A

Any other questions or comments.

A

Hearing none: uh what's your pleasure.

A

Are there any objections? Well, they've had it last year and then.

E

According to mr benfer, there was no bad of bad happenings or events other than being overcrowded.

E

So I I would not have any problem with uh tried it again this year. I agree. Let's try see how it.

G

Works, he didn't have any trouble with any rally, people or anything there right. No surprisingly,.

R

It was not surprisingly, but everybody kind of came and left within an hour wasn't something.

R

It was more family focused that ticket sale that you sell, that doesn't like include one beer with.

E

That ticket or anything just to enjoy the show- and it was cold out too so you're not they're,.

F

Not going to be hanging around outside in the cold, there's no right indoor area for them to go. Okay,.

A

Objections best wishes and good luck. Let us know how you make out. Please come see it yeah.

A

I just have one question and I don't want to belabor the point. The gentleman was here.

A

Last month mentioned about your heaven sales for specific times, what happens if.

A

Somebody is in on a lot of time and they just stay over so forth.

S

Half time necessarily for them, I think the the property itself has plenty of room for everyone.

S

I think the the issue which I think you could probably say when you were there keith last time.

S

Is the actual backing up of the car is getting in? So that was what we were addressing more than.

S

Anything else not really people being there and spending time there, which it does get cold and.

S

Usually a time limit on what people want to do, um but it's mostly to control the traffic.

S

Going in and out and that time to entry, we feel like we'll eliminate that issue, and it's once.

S

You're on the property there's more than enough space for everybody that happens to be there.

A

The the reason I asked that was primarily traffic because, as you all know, that's not the best of the.

A

Roads yeah, it's more like a pennsylvania road than it is a maryland route. I know what you.

S

Mean by that we have some parking enforcement this year too, that's helping us yeah. We have some other.

R

Organizations that are volunteering their time to yeah and then you know kind of convened after last.

S

Year and identified any issues, and that was the primary one that we felt like we needed to address.

S

So we've come up with kind of a solid game plan. We feel like on how to handle that situation. Good.

A

Well, we wish you the best good luck and let us know how you make out great appreciate your time.

A

With that, we have uh thank you for 21, which there's nobody here well enjoy your life.

A

Well, would you please invite them in? Thank you thanks. Yes,.

U

Thank you again have a good day, mr jim. What's up notice he's very polite with the ladies, I know you.

A

Know axon puts them off, so I was going to mention it's like english rose, but he's just trying not.

F

Going along throw the correct side of it, yeah we do drive on the correct side of the road.

A

Mr dixon, would you please call k-6421 all right k-6421, an application for a new class b beer wine.

B

And liquor license to be issued to tyler whitig for the use of the locomotive, llc trading as local.

B

Motive, 7540 main street sykesville maryland 21784 election district five and if all this matter, we.

B

Have the following documents: a november 3rd 2022 letter from kelly schaefer miller to the board.

C

B

It's like there's attached to the letter, there's a revised floor plans for the local motor.

B

There's a october 28, 2022 notice of public hearing for this case. There's.

B

An october 21st, 2022 notice of public hearing for this case.

B

There's a letter from india, phillips revenue examiner 3 to the board.

B

There's a sign off from the town manager.

B

That the above reference establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

B

There's a response from lisa staley health department that this establishment does does.

B

Not meet the requirements of this office, see the attached memorandum.

B

There's a memo from belinda gazelle collections office that the above.

B

Referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

B

Then there's a an application and the application includes notice. The public hearing.

B

Application character, references lease menu.

B

Something criminal background information, plot plan, mba records, workman's, comp insurance.

B

It's a plot plan for plan, sdat information, articles of organization, other licensed.

B

Establishments and operating agreement and financial information, I would ask that the file.

B

Be entered into evidence we'll accept that into evidence at this time. I would ask all those who.

A

Would tend to testify in this case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

C

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give is.

C

The truth, the whole truth that nothing, mr maryland llc I'm here today on behalf of the locomotive and.

N

I have mr tyler whitig present and seated to my left. I appreciate mr dixon's introduction of the.

N

File, this is just to provide you with a little bit of background. This location is on main street.

N

In sykesville, it is what you are familiar with as the former market tavern space. This will be a new.

N

Restaurant at that location, the application is for a class b, beer wine and liquor license. This is a.

N

Family-Owned entity, so I have mr wittig here with me, but this is also his mother, his father, his wife.

N

And his brother are also all part of the business as well. So with that, I would call mr wittig.

N

Tyler, can you please state your full name, spelling your last name and your address for the record.

V

Tyler whitig w-I-t-t-I-g live at 7517 main street in sykesville.

N

Tyler, are you a registered voter and taxpayer in carroll county? Yes, and is it accurate that.

N

You have applied here today for a class b. Beer wine and liquor license no idea. Yes,.

N

And can you explain what your involvement in this business will be? Is it going to be your.

N

Full-Time job, what's your role in the business? Yes, a full-time job owner operator work there. You know.

V

Front of the house do some bookkeeping in the back of the house pretty much everything and do.

N

Stron industry, yes, can you can just briefly explain your experience, so I actually worked at.

V

Market tavern for six or seven years bartending and doing a little bit of the food ordering.

N

Okay, and in your capacity there I mean, I hope the answer is yes, but.

N

I'll ask you: do you have experience in the service of alcoholic beverages? Yes,.

N

um Is it fair to say that that was in your experience as bartender there? Yes, okay! So in that.

N

Capacity did you have the opportunity to check ids, monitor um patrons and that sort of thing.

N

Yes or have you been tips or tams certified? I was at one point. I don't know where the card is so I.

V

Don't know if it is expired, but I'd be. You know more than willing to go ahead and do that again.

N

So, are you in the process of registering to to do that again and become certified yeah? The goal.

V

Would be to actually, you know, become certified to then certify my staff, so you would like to.

N

Become certified yourself and also certified to train people to become certified, correct, okay and.

N

Would that be for the benefit of um training, your staff and certifying your staff as well? Yes, okay.

N

um You understand, and do you agree that any manager on duty will be tips or tam certified? Yes,.

N

In addition to tips or tams certification of employees, will you be responsible for training.

N

Employees, yes, okay, and will you conduct a sort of in-house training as well for all staff? Yes,.

N

Have you have you thought about that training model and what you're going to do? Yeah all.

N

Right, can you tell the board um well, first, have you decided whether you will or will not accept.

N

Vertical ids, uh we will not accept vertical ids. Okay, do you intend or plan to have some.

N

Signage in the restaurant that is targeted at patrons and at employees to indicate your id.

N

Policies, yes, so we planned a car to everyone, so we'll have something posted right next to.

N

Where we'll also have we don't accept vertical ids? Okay, so in terms of your in-house training.

N

um Do you also well, are you familiar with this board's rules and regulations? Yes, okay and as part.

N

Of your in-house training, will you individually train staff on those same rules and regulations.

N

Yes, okay now have I spoken with you about the state's attorney's diversion program and how.

N

This board works with the state's attorneys to um monitor compliance of id checking and.

N

Intoxication with the state's attorneys- yes, yes, okay, I know the name sometimes throws people off.

N

Okay, um do you have a plan to train your employees and ensure that they're all notified of that.

N

Program yeah, so we have that document that you had drawn up for us. That kind of explains that.

V

And you know we'll walk them through that and then we'll also include all of the rules and.

V

Regulations of the liquor board in there with the training as well so they're familiar okay. Now you.

N

Heard me in my opening statement, say this, but I'll ask you to testify to it. Is this location.

N

um Was it formerly the market tavern space? Yes, okay, and you explain that.

N

You worked there for several years, correct, so you're familiar with that operation. Yes, okay,.

N

um Is it true that that's that that operation has closed at this location and that that this will be.

N

The new restaurant there: yes, it is closed, yeah, okay, and are you aware of whether market tavern.

N

Held a liquor license. Yes, it did. Okay, um assuming that understanding that there are unpredictable.

N

Health department and permitting things, um can you tell the board your hopeful opening date.

V

um We'd like to be open before thanksgiving, but probably more realistically december, 1st would.

V

Be ideal target, and do you understand that assuming this board grants the approval here.

N

Today that you will not be able to obtain your license until you have all permit approvals and.

N

Health department approvals: yes, okay, as part of the application packet did you provide your.

N

Anticipated menu- yes, I did uh is that a fair representation of the type of of meals and food.

N

That will be offered at this location. Yes, yeah now as part of your application, you also provided and.

N

And then up and then also provided an updated copy of the floor plan. Is that accurate? Yes,.

V

Are you able to provide 50 seats at tables and chairs as part of this establishment? Yes, okay.

N

Now, I'm not sure how familiar this board was with market tavern tyler. So keep that in mind, but can.

N

You explain how service will be provided to the tables like if I walk into the restaurant kind.

N

Of just walk me through the flow, um so we're going for a very casual kind of seat yourself, we'll have.

V

So our staff will kind of wear many hats. They'll be bartenders kind of servers, busing food running.

V

So they'll kind of just be out and about through, because the space isn't very large, so they'll be.

V

Checking in on people at different tables grabbing dirty dishes to take back to to be cleaned.

V

Yeah, we also plan to at some point integrate a little qr code, so you can order from your phone.

V

Or mobile device and we'll just be able to you, know it'll print tickets for us and we'll be able.

V

To just you know, bring bring the food and drink out to you, so just to kind of clarify that if.

N

I came as a patron, I could walk in. If there's an available table, I could sit down and then.

N

um I could either go up to the bar and order something and be served there at that point of.

N

Service or depending on the staffing situation, someone might come to my table and also help.

N

Me, yes, okay, so any service is provided through a staff member. Is that accurate, correct, okay,.

N

And on the floor plan, um is it accurate that there is some outdoor seating.

V

Yes, there's a space for kind of a couple of two tops just right out front on the on the sidewalk.

V

There will that be akin to um what this board would have seen at market tavern as well. Yes, okay,.

N

You have filed this application under the name of the locomotive. Well, actually, let.

N

Me back up real quick, because I thought of one more question approximately: how many.

N

Employees, do you anticipate having at this location, um including owners yeah? You can.

N

Include like anybody who would be there at a given time, um I mean at one time probably.

V

Five or six but total scope of employees, it could vary depending on part-time or.

V

Full-Time, okay and so of the five or six that would be there at any given time that includes.

N

um Individuals responsible for service and and kitchen and everything correct, correct, okay,.

N

Now you understand um that you filed this application and included the name. The locomotive.

N

Llc, correct yes, and are you a member of that llc? I am what percentage ownership do you hold in that.

N

Llc 25., okay, okay, and can you just explain to the board who the other members of the llc are.

V

uh Yeah so my wife um colleen, my brother, michael and my parents, mike and karen okay.

N

So, as part of the llc super work, we see um that blue horizon holding llc is also a member of the.

N

Locomotive llc, who are the members of blue horizon holding llc? That would be my parents.

V

So everybody you just named are is represents the full ownership of the locomotive. Llc. Yes, okay,.

N

Now you understand that, although you've applied uh with the name.

N

Of an llc that you are still individually responsible for purposes of this license is.

N

That correct, yes, okay and you realize that, in the event, this board has any.

N

Communications or concerns they will look to you as the point of contact.

N

Are you familiar with the carroll county, liquor, board's rules and regulations.

N

Booklet, yes, are you willing to comply with all of those rules and regulations? I am.

N

That concludes my questions of mr wittig, gentlemen. Questions. Mr witty, I have a couple.

G

um So, do I understand that blue horizon holding is your parents, yes, okay and and.

G

The holding company has 25 percent and then all the other members of locomotive have 25. Yes, okay,.

G

And have um have you reconfigured the kitchen much or done anything there, so the kitchen that was.

V

Market tavern um will be having that same format um there, and then the plan is to eventually you.

V

Know get the kitchen expanded into that back room that you see on that updated floor plan.

V

um We had a little bit of a a time line misunderstanding there, so that probably.

V

Won't be until january, um but that would be the the goal. Okay and looking at the menu.

G

uh Kind of reminds me of the market tavern type of menu, so there's nothing. No radical.

G

Changes here, no uh steak being grilled or anything right, yeah. It's kind of we're so limited because.

V

We don't, we don't have the hood, so we kind of have to yeah, and it looks like um at your floor.

G

Plan that that retail area that used to be in the bag, that's now dedicated to tables yes and.

G

um Do you have high top tables and and regular tables, or is it all high top we'll have a good.

V

Mix of high top and lower, and then we even kind of want to do a little bit of at some point.

V

Maybe do like some uh couch kind of lounge, very casual vibes with like a coffee table.

A

You have any questions this time you did say you were going to have between five and six employees.

E

Correct um and you have all card all policy- is that what you're telling me yeah? That's what we.

E

Yeah we want to do that: yeah, okay, so it's not like if somebody uh 40 and under is gonna, get.

E

Carded, it's everybody, it would be everybody. Yes,.

E

And are you gonna have signage um that you don't serve vertical license, yes, and where.

E

Would that signage be um on the back bar located next to the license display.

A

Any other questions, mr witty.

A

um If not just kelly, you may proceed. Thank you. That concludes my questions.

N

For mr wittig and I would next call his two character- witnesses.

N

Step straight up to these microphones and have a seat. Please.

N

All right, I would first call mayor stacy link this link. Can you please state your name, spelling your.

N

Last name and address for the record sure good morning, stacy link l-I-n-k address is.

K

7307 spout hill road sykesville 21784, and can you please tell the board how long you've known tyler.

K

As long as they have worked at market tavern, so.

K

According to the lead, witness here, seven years or so, and in what context, although.

N

You may have kind of just answered that, but you know tyler. It extends beyond um my interactions.

K

With tyler and colleen his wife beyond market tavern, but that is exactly where I met them and.

K

um Where the majority of my time getting to know them happened, but they've not worked at.

K

Market tavern for about a year or so now, and I continue to maintain a friendship with with the.

K

Two of them- and they were incredibly supportive of me when, when I was running for mayor, so I.

K

Would consider them very devoted friends and also very engaged citizens of the town of sykesville.

N

You kind of just answer my next question as well, but I'll ask you for posterity's sake,.

N

um You heard mr woodig's testimony here: do you believe that he is a fit and proper person to hold.

N

A liquor license, he is a fit and proper person to hold the liquor license. Among many other things,.

K

Yes, okay, and are you familiar with the location that's been applied for here intimately? Yes, okay,.

N

Do you believe that it will be a benefit to the public to maintain a restaurant with a.

N

Liquor license at that location. Absolutely it the absence of such uh of a place that people um can.

K

Feel comfortable in and and frequent as residents of town is very important. I believe, and it will.

K

Be unfortunate if there wasn't some such a place. Thank you. That concludes my questions of miss link.

A

So you don't have any questions of this witness anyway,.

A

Thank you very much. Thank you. I would call my next witness julie de la marie is that did I get.

N

It correct yes, okay, um can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for the.

N

Record yes, my name is julie. De la maria d e l, l, a dash m-a-r-I-a. I live at 7411 second avenue.

T

In saxville maryland and approximately, how long have you known, tyler wittig, I have known tyler.

T

And colleen since the early days of market tavern. So I will also use this math skill to evaluate.

T

That to seven years, okay, and in what context, how do you know tyler we I had. I was very fortunate.

T

To work with tyler and colleen as executive director of the main street program downtown.

T

Saggsville we are trying to maintain a vibrancy of main street, so that has included walking with.

T

Colleen and tyler to what marketing programs, but also collaborating with them, to ensure that our.

T

Large fundraisers that do feature legal license provided by this board were operated in a in a in.

T

A manner that followed the rule and and created a interesting and engaging experience for all.

N

And you've heard you know tyler and you've heard all of his testimony here today. Do you believe.

N

That tyler is a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license. I do believe he's fit to all.

T

The liquor license, so is his wife and his entire family, and I also would add that his experience.

T

As a bartender in downtown jacksonville is going to help him if there's great judgment.

T

And maintain the feel of that community bar that we add downtown and I'm very excited about this.

N

And again, probably goes without saying, but are you familiar with this location that has been.

N

Applied for it has been my happy place for a long time. Yes, I am familiar with you. So do.

N

You believe that it will be a benefit to the public to have a restaurant at this location.

N

With a liquor license, I am persuaded of it, I know colleen and tyler and their business.

T

Plan- and I see it in complete alignment with the focus of our main street program to offer.

T

An engaging and pleasant place to be for all those are my only questions of mrs stella, maria.

A

Questions I have none. That concludes my testimony at today's hearing.

A

A

What's the population of sykesville according to the 2020 census, approximately 4 200 people.

K

I think that's a gross overestimation, some say and under, but those are the numbers.

A

You know the total area encompassed by the sykesville just under two.

K

Square miles, sir two square miles: yes and four thousand people. Yes,.

A

You have any other witnesses a call or anything. I do not have any additional witnesses to call.

A

Dr benford, do you have any comments um I did stop down about two weeks ago met the family dropped.

F

Off signage or signage, and they said they're gonna post it up, and I met the wife, picking stickers off.

F

The beer taps- and I heard you're not going to use those beer tops so.

A

Close and if you would like to make any closing remarks, thank you, mr chair. I think you've heard.

N

um Hopefully everything you need to hear um to understand that this is an added uh benefit to the.

N

Town of sykesville and something that everybody's looking forward to myself included. This was a.

N

Former restaurant, I think it will benefit the town to have it continue as a restaurant, in that in a.

N

Similar capacity, mr woodig has exhibited great experience in the industry and his work at market.

N

Tavern- and I I think he has also demonstrated through his testimony to this board, that he is.

N

A responsible person and and will treat this license as such. This is a family operation. I.

N

I think they're excited to to get started and anxious to receive all of their lingering, like.

N

Health department and other permit approvals, so we understand that the request here today would be.

N

Conditioned on finalizing those approvals um with that, I would ask that this board approve the class.

N

B, beer, wine and liquor license for the locomotive and just condition it on any of those. Those last.

N

um Health department and permit approvals. Thank you, mr menford. You have any final remarks. I do not.

A

Hearing non-testimony evidence is now closed and we will deliberate the merits of the case.

G

Mr chairman, I uh I fully agree with um miss miller's closing remarks. Usually.

G

She's spot on and again today, she is with regards to this applicant, uh the.

G

um Character, witnesses themselves spoke highly of the applicant and they are very reputable.

G

Individuals in the community of sykesville and beyond they're, both very committed to.

G

Improvements in sykesville, but also maintaining the very nice downtown character that sykesville.

G

Has a family atmosphere and they both worked tirelessly to make sikesville a.

G

Great place to live, and their recommendation in this case carries a lot of weight with me.

G

As character witnesses and uh and on their own, so I do believe that this gentleman is more than fit.

G

And proper to hold the liquor license in this case, I think his experience at this location.

G

Is going to help him put into place a very nice amenity for the people of the community.

G

And I'm looking forward to his success and that's those are my remarks at this time. I would agree.

E

With um with mr barnhart everything that he just stated, I also have to agree that mr wittig is fit.

E

And proper we see such notable witnesses that have come to uh to back him up. I think that's great.

E

And I think this business would be an asset to sykesville. So with all that said, I could to make.

E

A motion: if it's okay with the chairman, please do I make a motion to approve this application.

E

For a new class b, beer wine and liquor license to be issued to tyler whitig for the use of.

E

The locomotive, llc trading as locomotive motive, 7540 main street in sykesville, maryland 21784 in.

E

Electric election district five- and I second that motion of course, with as miss miller, mentioned.

G

um That all the uh approvals and licenses and uh requirements that are required be granted.

A

A motion has been properly made and seconded that this board approved an application for.

A

A new class b, pier 1 and liquor, license to be issued to tyler wittig or the use of the.

A

Local motive, llc trading as local motive, 7540 main street sykesville, maryland 21784.

A

Is there any further discussion on the motion? No no hearing, none all those in.

A

Favor signify is saying: aye aye opposed no, so ordered. Congratulations. We wish you.

A

Good luck and best wishes. Thank you only thing I can say is uh mayer and and miss della maria.

A

Do a great job down there for promoting sykesville and uh all of your events seem to be full house.

K

Thank you. The only thing I can say is they must like to drink and eat a lot in sykesville.

A

In about two blocks, you can go from one to the other room, yeah, very good taste. Thank.

K

You for your time, congratulations best wishes continued success. Thank you. Thank you very much.

N

We'll skip over the next item and go to the next item of business.

A

Time we adjourned until two o'clock.

A

Okay, we're back in session.

A

I guess our next item on the agenda is a question about 84 east main street pizzeria.

F

Yes, would somebody like to explain the situation to us? I was contacted by teresa.

F

Barnes, approximately three four three or four weeks ago about her being disgruntled and.

F

She wanted to take the liquor license from the establishment 84 main street, with fire pizzeria.

F

Talked to tim dixon at the time, would you decide that she could not take the license.

F

So we didn't do anything about it. I was contacted by teresa last friday and her lawyer contacted tim.

F

And my understanding from talking to tim dixon was she could take the license at the church.

F

She took the license she could, you would have to shut down the liquor side of the restaurant.

F

Talk to pete, and I explained what was going on and I took teresa- took the license, gave.

F

It to me- and I had the license here in front of me- and the business has been closed since then.

F

And pete's here to talk about the license, try and get his license back or the license.

A

With that said, question do we need to swear him in.

A

We don't need to don't need to okay and I've left multiple message for teresa about the two.

F

O'clock, she knew about the two o'clock hearing and she is not here as of 205. but yeah. The.

G

License in front of you, yes and there's only one license to see on it only one licensee, okay.

G

And that licensee is teresa barnes correct.

G

So when she took it, she took it to turn it over to you correct.

F

Under the direction of the two of tim dixon,.

D

's case, and has she given us anything in writing no.

F

I'm not saying anything.

A

A

In your original discussions with her, did she give any reason uh why she wanted to.

A

She it was the license or what the problem was. She advised she has not been paid in a while.

F

In the checks, the checks that had she has got and have bounced.

G

Does she have a financial interest in the business? My understanding from the.

F

Hearing was she has a 10 financial issue for five thousand dollars.

G

Right so she satisfied the minimum requirement to be on the license of financial interest.

G

So she has five thousand dollars into the business, which is ten percent. Is it a a stock.

G

Company, it's an llc. Is she a member of the llc? Yes, she is so she's a 10 member of the llc. Yes,.

G

And what is the name of the llc? It's uh which fired business solution? Llc, wood fire? Yes,.

G

Okay, thanks just just for the record state, your damon address, please uh pietro priola. I live in.

W

Of 402 um baldwin drive apartment b4, westminster, maryland is miss, is miss barnes working uh there.

E

As an employee, uh she was working there as an employee server. uh No as a bartender, the bartender.

W

But we've got some issues, so what is she claiming she wasn't paid for her hours? Yes, part of the 10.

W

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, ten percent the company's on a loss. Actually, you know I've been I've actually.

W

um Have listed the place for sale uh with a broker, uh but we're negotiating with someone here locally.

W

To buy the business because I'm um I'm not here all the time, um I'm uh I'm actually I'm ill. uh I.

W

Have cancer, so I have to go back home in jupiter florida for my treatment, so I'm back and forth.

W

Pretty much um miss baines, um for she would work like one weekend and then not work for.

W

Three or four weekends in a row there was never a consistent basis for her to be there. Even though.

W

She was scheduled and at one point she never picked up any checks. She refused to be in direct.

W

Deposit and so when she did pick up those checks that apparently bounced which I have a copy over.

W

Here of the checks and also that she got paid for those checks in cash, she was told not to deposit.

W

Them all at once, because we were working day to day it's a startup. um I put, I put all my savings.

W

My inheritance in this place, I got over three hundred thousand dollars invested in this place.

W

So anyway, so uh she put all the checks in it once and I didn't know she was going to do that and.

W

They did bounce uh she did get paid for those checks with some fees of 698. I have a copy of.

W

That right here with also her signature on there and she has not picked up there's another check.

W

Waiting for her, it's been waiting for us since um 10 24, which she has not picked up. uh There.

W

Is some um there's about between the check that I have here and also some of the tips, uh because the.

W

Tips go into the paychecks. We used to not put the tips on their paychecks, but because of you know, 90.

W

Is credit cards anyway? So so we decided to start doing that and uh she's owed about 887 dollars.

W

Basically, I did speak to our attorney about this and she basically wants her five thousand dollars.

W

Back, that's what she said to me and then also off the license and then, of course, you know, get.

W

You know get this, she claims it was fifteen hundred dollars, which is not it's basically.

W

887.22 cents- and I have copies of all this right here for you guys, if you need it.

W

And it's funny at 401 on friday I have a. I got, a letter of intent for the sale of the.

W

Place and it was of course, subject to transfer of the existing lease and the liquor license.

W

So um and of course, the buyer right now is everything's on hold.

W

Because we, I basically made the decision to close for right now until further further stuff. So.

W

See what happens here, if I you know, have a license to uh because I do want to transfer the license.

W

You know I'm going to have to and I think you can transfer licenses well put a new, no put a.

W

New member, you transfer her business, you transfer business and we issue a new license to the yes. Yes,.

C

Transfer, it is a transfer he sells, they have to have a new application to us. You can't well, he.

G

Can't just say I'll transfer the license to you. Oh no! No, of course not there's a step. They have.

G

To go through, they have to come here. First, yeah yeah. Yes, yes, yes, that's! There are jurisdictions.

G

Where you can sell a license to somebody, that's what I'm trying to make the distinction here.

G

That's not how it works in carroll county. I understand that sir. Yes, I know. Okay.

A

So, at the present time the establishment is closed right now. Yes, I could have stayed open.

W

And just sell food, but it just wasn't worth it you know, because of uh so you don't want.

E

To open up, then you just well no, I do I mean I I I would like to reopen back up. You know and and.

W

Put an application in for uh to meet for me to go on the license until all this is all with the.

W

Letter of intent to have a copy of the letter of intent for you guys. If you want to see that also.

W

um Because you know it's not just the liquor license itself is the other factors on selling.

W

The business one of them, of course, is the lease that have to be financially capable of you know.

W

Getting transfer into lease and all that stuff plus I'm actually financing uh this deal too so.

A

It stands right now you were closed and technically don't have mr keith license right.

A

So it's my understanding of somebody on the license. I told her.

A

They don't have a liquor license. Am I correct? No, they don't have one okay. So I think that what.

B

Going forward what the board needs to decide is, let's see this is the november meeting. Will you.

B

Have somebody that you can put forward it's on to be on the license in the december meeting and or.

B

Would this buyer be able to be able to transfer to this buyer after december uh liquor board meeting.

W

I don't know if that's going to happen that quickly, but I would like to go on the license.

W

Myself, if I could, until all this transaction will be done, but in the meantime, if the board.

W

Could give me permission to open, uh I I will take care of this um veins in regarding to this money.

W

That is owed, but not the five thousand dollars that she wants. She wants a five thousand dollars.

W

That she put into the business back, which you know that would be done at time of uh transfer.

A

What's your legal resonance, my legal residence will have a lease here, an apartment. I I have.

W

An apartment complex here that I stay at that I have a lease with.

A

What do you use as your legal residence as far as taxes? Oh, that's florida. Of course the business is.

W

Also, I mean I just filed, you know, file taxes and it's this business and my residents in florida.

W

But I also would have somebody else that could go on the license. If that's what I would have to do.

G

Sounds like maybe okay yeah, I mean I don't know a legal resident of carroll county. Maybe.

F

Because you get to spend more than nine months here to be a legal resident, I've.

W

Been here for two years well more more here than actually uh in florida, so it's not like.

W

That I've been here for two years. You know all you know the whole two years, but uh you.

W

Know I've I've lived into carroll county since I purchased a place basically with.

W

Different places- and now you know I'm like five minutes from the restaurant, that's why.

W

I took I took a meadow ridge, uh apartments and condos, so you leave the apartment here.

E

But your main resident residence is in florida. Yes, correct, sir: where do you vote? I'm sorry vote.

W

I don't I can't I'm a resident of the united states, I'm not a citizen of the united states.

W

I don't know what the requirements is. If you have a driver's license uh florida. Yes,.

G

You have a passport, yes and that's. Florida has a florida residence in.

G

Your passport, my passport, is actually a italian passport.

W

I have legal residency in the united states, which is, I have a.

W

Green card- that's actually blue, but yeah. So that's! Okay, yeah! Just we're.

G

Just trying to look at the scenarios yeah, of course I understand that. Yes,.

B

A section 31 b, if, if for any reason or qualifying resident, licensee request to.

B

Be removed from a license, such requests must be presented to the board. In writing. At least.

B

30 days prior to the date when the licensee seeks to have the request to be effective,.

B

If no other licensee meets the requirements of a qualifying.

B

Resident the board may revoke the license at such time as the removal is effective.

G

Tim, which rule was that 31 31 31, b, 3 8 on page 35.

G

So we have not received anything in writing from the current licenses.

G

So the current licensee is not complying with this rule.

B

Right, that's my understanding. Yes, so.

G

Current licensee and corner air rules is still on the license.

B

Yeah would be yep the current licensee just.

B

Gave the license to the liquor inspector, but it's it's still on the license. There's.

G

Nothing under our rules they have to in writing, apply to the court to go credit reports. Sorry.

G

For the board to get off of the license right, so I guess my way of looking at it is.

G

The licensee is still on the license until they.

G

Petition us to get off in writing. I would agree with that.

W

Yeah this week had put me in a bad situation: yeah financially anyway, and also employees too. So.

G

If you were to have the license back, what would you do.

W

I would reopen okay, basically as soon as I can so. The ability to sell alcoholic beverages, along with.

G

Your food is probably that little margin that helped keep you going. Oh absolutely.

W

I mean yeah, I took a seven thousand dollar hit this weekend, which basically you know. I.

W

Had to cover payroll out of pocket, you know some other stuff too, because of of the situation. Yeah.

W

It's unfortunate, but you know at this point.

G

So I'm thinking perhaps the uh the remedy of this lady. If there is one who's on the license.

G

Is more civil than pulling a license off of the wall and turning it in unless he uh follows our.

G

Rules and goes that route- that's just. I think I was thinking out loud here. I would agree with that.

W

I I never received anything from her in writing. The only thing that I did, I did.

W

I did get a text from her about when she could come in and pick up her paychecks.

W

And I said to her: I'm in I'm home doing treatment I'll be back next week. We could meet then, but I.

W

Also stated to her that she needs to stop running her mouth, that she's 50 owner of the establishment.

W

Because the buyer said to me who is the owner of this place? uh So basically that's you know.

W

What happened- and I told her look, can we can you just help me out getting the sale through.

W

Just stop running your mouth and then within two hours I get my general manager calling me.

W

Said uh that uh keith was there with teresa and a police officer to to take the license.

W

And of course, there was a five, it was a five 1005., so I I couldn't call anybody to figure out.

W

Anything, but I knew that it should have been in writing or something to me. So that's where I'm at.

A

So, in effect, if I understand this correctly.

A

She has to notify us.

A

30 days in advance to be removed from the license so technically.

A

She's still on the license legally she's still on the license and the license assume are good.

A

And that, during this 30-day notification, I assume the 30 days is the date that we receive it.

G

If, for any reason, a qualifying resident, licensee requests to be removed from license such requests.

G

Must be presented to the board in writing at least 30 days prior to the date when the licensee seeks.

G

To have the request be effective, so the written request has to give a termination date to us.

G

And we have to have 30 days, there could be no less, I think the 30 days to consider it. I guess.

A

Well, that's what I'm saying if she wrote us a letter today, effective 30 days from today, yeah.

A

But if we don't get the letter for four or five days, is it 30 days from the date we receive it.

A

Or 30 days from the date on the letter says, the request must be presented to the board.

G

Presented to the board it's 30 days from the date that we get presented. Yes, that's what it sounds.

A

Like so irregardless [music] that 30 days would get us up till next month's meeting, approximately.

M

So if we had a request for a transfer and so forth to consider at our next meeting.

F

It's not it's past them past the request, the date to request or hearing.

A

There have been exceptions to that right.

F

I mean joe and tim wouldn't know that, and I didn't know that you know as long as I.

C

In an instance like this, if I get it in time to advertise and right by that, I would need it.

C

The ad has to run the first time on the 18th, so if I don't get it by the 16th.

C

That's a week from a week from today: okay, so if all paraphernalia and.

A

Applications and so on and so forth, as needed or received by the 16th.

A

We could get it on the agenda for next month.

W

And when is the uh when is the hearing or 14th, I believe yeah.

G

So I've heard that she has an attorney, correct and he's communicated with with our attorney right. But.

G

But that attorney has never said anything to us in writing with no nope. It was just a phone call.

W

Yeah when I spoke to him, he had no clue what was going on actually.

G

In a way yeah, well, maybe he doesn't represent her beyond a phone call could be I'm not sure yeah.

A

So if we, if we allow the license to allow alcohol, accept beverage sales.

A

Until next month,.

A

We're on safe ground well, the only issue that I can see is that.

B

She could say that it's been, she turned it over to the liquor inspector and then in in response.

B

To that we could say you didn't do it properly, because you're supposed to give the board 30.

B

Days notice, so for 30 days we can hold it. You know the license. You still responsible for the license.

B

Because you got to give the board notice of it so yeah and we can say so. We could say we that which.

B

Would take us to the next meeting that you didn't give it give us the 30 days notice and maybe that.

B

That is in there. So something like this doesn't happen. Somebody just one person doesn't snatch.

B

The license off the wall and says I'm out of here and yeah: that's it for the business so that that.

B

Gives the board- and that gives the establishment 30 days to know you know they got to take action.

A

Right with the caveat that.

A

Current and back wages are all paid.

A

Promptly, that's a civil matter between the owners ownership that that's the same clarified.

A

That's up for him and her. Yes, that's what I would say so. We've heard.

A

Circumstances what this you all's, yes, my feeling is the license, is still in effect.

G

I agree devices are still in effect, it's in our possession at the moment, but.

G

We haven't made a decision on changing the license here, transferring the license right.

M

So it's it is as it is, and her complaint about she's not being responsible. I think.

G

Is not correct because she allowed her name to go on the license and under our rules, which.

G

She's obligated to understand she can't get off the license just by taking it off the wall and.

G

And walking out the door she has to give us written notice and all licensees, I think, uh are.

G

Required to do that in order to get off a license through I mean anytime, you have a disgruntled.

E

Licensee, they could just grab the license and take it out the door, and then that would hurt.

E

The business, so I think we have to follow the 30-day 30-day law what's our rule, so I I agree and.

G

Tim did you I agree so yeah, so uh I give him back the license and she's.

B

Still responsible, just she's not going to get out of responsibility just because.

B

She's got to give us 30 days notice because you know, as I've said before, it's an accommodation.

B

To the public, so she just can't arbitrarily at any time without the 30 days notice, take the license.

B

I would agree so that's the decision of this board that the license are returned.

A

To the establishment to the owner and that he is required to meet the deadline of the 16th.

A

Have the proper applications and preliminary information and so forth on file.

A

For a replacement for the licensee and that she must notify us in writing,.

G

See, that's that's an issue. What if she just ignores what we're talking about right now.

G

Doesn't notify us in writing and also doesn't resign, give a lot of resignation from the.

G

Corporation well he's going to file for a licensee change for next month, so we will be taking her.

A

Off anyway, but we also in the past either have them appear here in person or by written notice.

A

Have a lot of resignation, there's a letter of resignation that they're okay with.

A

Coming off of the license, that's what we've done in the past yeah! So now! My second part before that.

A

Is that I think we should notify her that she needs to give this board written notice.

A

And that she's required to give us notice 30 days in advance in order to.

A

Be removed right, yeah, that's a good idea. I agree. Maybe do a courtesy copy to the attorney that.

W

And also to me, if it's possible to I'd like to get that too, please.

A

Now let me ask you this: you attorneys.

A

You know we get the letters and so on so forth it always says hand delivered.

A

Should this letter be hand delivered, if possible, by one of the inspectors.

G

To one of the inspectors by one of the inspectors too, that's no problem and delivered to who to her.

X

Yeah, okay, that's preferable, yeah! If it's, if you know where she is and but the other question is.

G

If you're going to have another resident agent on the licensee is near a financial requirement.

G

Yes yeah, so uh is this gentleman aware that you know if, if he goes on by himself, there is no.

G

Function, I understand that, but he was talking about he's, not a carroll county resident, so.

G

So that question came up and it was he thought he might know somebody yeah. So someone has to.

G

Come up five thousand dollars right! Yes, well, you can explain that well, well, yeah and also.

W

I mean I have a copy of the letter of intent. I mean the owner, the new people that are going.

W

That are buying the place if they're still going to buy this place. We're not really.

W

Sure, because I've, you know, I've received this letter on november 4th, which was the.

W

Day that she decided to pull this license. uh Basically, there is a substantial financial.

W

um I mean I'm uh uh the letter of attendance for 125 000, so they'll require you know. They'll meet.

W

The requirements of a you know the 5000 plus, but that would that would be the new licensee.

W

That's what I would I would want to do yes, but, but would they have ownership of your current company.

G

So until we give them a license, I got you well couldn't this be couldn't the transfer of.

W

Happening uh of the yes license at the same time, if you get that you can transfer new owners and.

W

Transfer the new ownership, if we could do that, if not you know, I will have to just get a qualifying.

W

Applicant, which would be my general manager, she's lived in carroll county, all the life right, so, okay,.

G

So you're talking about maybe a simultaneous like a bifurcated hearing. Yes, we, yes yeah.

A

That's what I thought was gonna should happen. Is it would that work? It also saved you 500 hours.

W

Yes, which, right now it's like I mean it's just yeah. What happened? I mean I'm just we're not gonna.

B

Have two hearings at the same time: we're not gonna. Have him be uh the license? The new licensing next.

B

Oh, no, no and transfer. Oh okay, we're gonna do one or the other yeah. The goal is to do one transfer.

F

Next transfer period november, 14th transfer everything out of pete's name into the new earners.

F

In jesus name, that's my understanding what yes, there's your license back. Thank you. Sorry,.

F

About the problems well, she's going to be facing some issues. I think we have it. We squared away.

F

And I'll handle a letter when we get done.

A

Okay, mr attorney yep we're good okay, you understand what you have to do.

A

uh Yes, what time limits you have you don't have much time you got it. I will.

W

Take care of it. Thank you very much. The board appreciate it very much all right.

B

Are you gonna give him the license key? So they can. He did. I got it. Okay, I'm smooth! Yes, very, smooth.

W

He always has been a good guy. Thank you guys appreciate it. Thank you.

A

No we're 15 minutes behind time, gotta make it up.

A

G

Wait did we take it.

G

Oh, I don't know about that. Yes, you have to ask keith yeah. First.

G

I've heard about a policeman being there yeah.

A

Yeah, no, it's.

A

Keith, did you close that door after sure.

A

No I'm talking about the second door, close anybody.

L

Want any more undesirable is coming in.

F

Everybody's going to object to this: that's that's! What he's trying to stop.

A

Okay, are we ready for case number six? Four, two four, mr dixon.

B

Okay, 64-24 an application for the transfer of a class bw beer and wine.

B

Seven day license to be issued to neil troutman for the use of wor inc trading.

B

As county line cantina 123 hanover pike, hampstead mount and election district 8.

B

If all this matter, we have the following documents too fast.

B

There is a email november 3rd 2022, 1202 p.m. To joe from john appling. He request.

B

He requests to resign from the liquor license for the county line, cantina.

B

There is a october 28, 2022 notice of public hearing for this case.

B

There's a october 26 2022 letter from india, phillips revenue, examiner 3 to the board.

B

There's an email from mike ritchie to joe vance.

B

Dated october 26 2022.

B

It is an october 21st, 2022 notice of public hearing for this case.

B

There's an october 24 2022 letter from india, phillips revenue, examiner 3 to the board.

B

There is a response to joe vance's request of air state and local agencies from tammy ledley town.

B

Manager for hamstead the above reference establishment does meet the requirements.

B

Of this office, uh property is outside the municipal limits of the town of hampstead.

B

There's a response to joe vance's request from lisa staley health department.

B

This establishment does not meet the requirements of this office, see attached memo.

B

There is a response to joe vance's request from belinda gasell collections office. The.

B

Above reference, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

B

And there's an and then there is an application.

B

And the application includes.

B

Notice of hearing is october 7 2022 letter from michael ritchie to the board.

B

And see the application includes character, references mba records.

B

Workers, comp information.

B

Criminal background information, sdat information, a menu ownership, information.

B

Articles of incorporation, see workers comp floor plan, plot plan menu, other licensed establishments.

B

A lease and asset purchase agreement. I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

A

We'll accept that as evidence at this time, I would ask all those who intend.

A

To testify, in the case, please stand raise your right hand be sworn in by ms vance.

C

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

C

Is the truth, the whole truth of nothing but the truth? You may be seated at this time, mr ritchie.

A

It's nice of you to come here this afternoon. You may proceed. I assume you were handling the case.

L

Thank you, mr chairman. uh I am for the record michael ritchie, senator preston.

L

And boswell westminster, maryland on behalf of the applicants um and uh the applicant, is here.

L

And we're ready to proceed. Let me call my first witness please proceed. Thank you, mr troutman.

Y

L

Be sure to speak into the microphone, can you state your name and address for the record? Please neil.

J

Andrew troutman 808 trapper court hampstead maryland 21074. Thank you and you're here as.

L

The applicant to be the resident licensee for the entity, known as w o r inc trading as county.

L

Line cantina is that correct? Yes, okay and you gave your address and that's located in carroll.

L

County is that correct, correct, and how long have you lived there on 12 years, okay um and.

L

Are you a citizen of the united states, yes, and where were you born um baltimore maryland thanks.

L

um Have you, sir, ever been convicted of a felony or violating gambling laws? No have.

L

You ever been found guilty of violating alcoholic beverage laws no or any other.

L

Laws or felonies against the laws of the united states or any other state, no.

L

No, have you ever held a license for the sale of alcoholic beverages? Previously, no, I haven't, if you ever applied for one no.

L

And you're going to have a 10 financial interest in this business. Is that correct? Yes, that is.

L

Okay and um other than the other principal owner, mr salido, will anybody else have.

L

Any interest in the business to be conducted under this license no okay,.

L

um Is uh do you have a spouse? That's licensed no.

L

Will there be any other person um again other than um mr salido, who have a financial interest.

L

In this license, no lenny, brewer, still or manufacturer wholesaler have any interest.

L

In this license, other than for the purchase of inventory, no granted a license where you conform.

L

To all laws and regulations relating to the sale of alcoholic beverages, yes, okay, um mr chapman,.

L

Where are you currently employed, hampstead, liquors, okay and that's in robert's field shopping center.

J

Correct right around the corner, basically from this establishment and what are your duties there.

J

um Pretty much the assistant manager um do other things, I'm in charge of actually the.

J

Tam certification for the store, which I would expand to uh this new place,.

L

I also understand your um since you both live and work in hampstead that should the.

L

New establishment uh need any backup either front of the house. Back of the house. You have.

L

Experience and can provide that yes fill it as a manager. Okay, um are you currently tams.

L

Or best certified, yes, I am okay, and how long have you been working at hampstead liquors.

J

um Going on five years, as you personally ever been charged with any violations, no, I have not.

L

Nothing further of this witness, mr chairman,.

A

Gentlemen, do you have any questions I I might have misheard? I think council was asking you.

G

If you've been in charge of any violations, is that, in connection with your present, employment.

L

That was the intent of the question yes uh and and you're president you're.

G

A liquor store assistant manager, yeah and you've had no violations while there. Thank you.

E

So let me get this straight you're being put on there as a licensee, um so you're not purchasing.

E

The business you're you're, the licensee- that's going to be on the I'm, the licensee of being a.

J

Liquor license, I have investment in the business. So how long have you worked at hampstead liquors.

J

uh Hempstead liquors I've worked for them going on it's like three years. I've worked.

J

For two years before that, at the um another store for eric salido, so are you going to.

E

Continue to work at hampstead, liquors, yes and then fill in when needed down at the. uh How much.

E

Time do you think you'll spend at uh the cantina restaurant? I would say at least 10 15 hours a week.

A

You're you're, currently a an assistant manager. Yes,.

A

And what will you be doing at the uh this establishment.

J

The new establishment, I'm in charge of would be in charge of the tam training and keeping.

J

That all updated, which I do for hampstead now and acting as manager when needed, knowing both sides.

J

Of the business and as far as the alcohol, the the lick or the alcohol and food you know um just.

J

Overseeing, if you know, if something happens, if the manager can't be present or it needs to be present,.

E

So, where are you working at? You were at hampstead liquors when they had the violations sale to minor.

E

Violations was I there yeah, they had three of them. They had three violations sail to minors.

E

That was before they changed yeah. So were you working there at those violations, while.

E

Those violations were there, I was you mean at the time of the violation or just just at.

E

The general interest, but you weren't, involved with any of those three violations. No, I was not.

J

And I wasn't in charge of the tam at that time.

G

What was the response of the hampstead liquors to the violations? If you can recall the response, yeah.

G

What did they do about it? uh The person was fired, I'm pretty sure. I remember that they were let go.

J

um They upgrade and we we started to do the uh tam certification at that point um and we have.

J

Gotten everybody in the new employees were, we actually coincide with uh another business in.

J

Town that we get their employees together and we do a group cam session right yeah and you were.

L

Put in charge of that, yes I'll be coordinate that with uh the owner of the other business.

G

Did the other business uh offer any incentives to employees who successfully passed a compliance.

G

Check, no, I think they got donuts and coffee that morning it was about it yeah, I'm sorry. I.

J

Got what I mean they didn't you know it was. It was an incentive that you needed to take it. It.

J

Was a requirement, I don't know what I mean is uh some licensees will give an employee uh-huh.

G

Fifty dollars, oh, if someone comes in and tries to purchase and they're underage, like a compliance.

G

Check that way, I see what you're saying I think he misunderstood the question. I didn't phrase it.

G

Very well so no we don't offer any incentives. So that's part of their job and to me yeah.

E

So at hampstead liquors did they accept vertical license.

J

No, we have a sign up. We don't accept vertical licenses, county line, cantina.

E

It'll be the same thing: the same policy same policy, no vertical license, no.

J

Too many things can be done with a vertical license.

G

Before you're at hampstead liquors, uh where were you employed? I worked for mr salido.

J

Up at main street, when management changed hands, I came down to help the new manager.

G

Can you say main street you mean I'm sorry yeah, yes, next to uh jmp, okay and prior to working.

G

In liquor, stores or any place like that, did you have any experience in restaurants, business or any.

G

Anything else um for years I worked for jerry's belvedere down northern parkway and york road.

J

um Worked in the kitchen worked in the bar worked in packaged goods.

J

Weighted tables we have extensive, oh yeah experience this type of enterprise.

A

What's your investment in the business 10 percent, 10 percent,.

G

Did you get a stock certificate in exchange for that money? I have. I have uh minutes, but.

L

I have not yet had them issued yet, usually I do that once it's approved.

G

I was just I was looking, I thought. Maybe I saw my notes that.

G

The corporation had authority to issue 1000 shares at a dollar par, and I was just trying to.

G

Better grasp so so mr salido is a landlord he's, the landlord he'll he has contracts.

L

To purchase both the existing business and the real estate so they'll happen.

L

Simultaneously, so he will be in essence the landlord for the restaurant. Okay. Thank you.

L

Mr troutman, I didn't know you worked at jerry's belvedere. That was one of my college hangouts.

L

Loyola university of baltimore.

A

Any other questions of mr trump this time. No, I don't know.

A

Okay, mr ritzy, you may sit down mr troutman next I'll call. Mr eric salido.

L

Salido you've been sworn in. Can you state for the record your name and address? Please eric salida 30.

Z

3391 schaefer drive hampstead maryland. Thank you and you'll be the owner of the remaining 90 of the.

L

Stock in uh the new entity, known as w o r inc- is that correct? Yes, sir, and that is the um purchasing.

L

Entity which will operate under the same trade name of county line cantina. Is that correct? Okay,.

L

And, as you just heard me uh indicate to the board, you have uh both an asset purchase agreement.

L

Which is in the words file for the purchase of the business, as well as an agreement to.

L

Buy the real estate, which is owned by the same people, different entities there. Yes, sir okay,.

L

And uh what's the total investment real estate and business 550.

L

000., okay, and of that you've, gotten financing approval for about 400. Is that correct? It's.

Z

A little bit more than that, I think, but somewhere in the 400 to 425 range. Yes, sir,.

L

And is that uh from a local bank, correct farmers and merchants, farmers and merchants.

L

um So you own and operate the business. That's referred to as main street liquors, which is the.

L

Package goods store up the street. Is that correct? Yes, you have other managers working under you up.

L

There is that correct, correct you're, going to serve uh as the overall general manager of the.

L

Restaurant uh overseeing uh the employees that you'll have there is that correct? Yes, sir, okay.

L

And will you be hiring a manager to work for you there yeah. I have a couple people there: okay, how.

L

Many employees uh totally weight staff cook etc. Do you anticipate five to ten five to ten okay.

L

um Tell the board uh briefly what you uh plan to offer: yeah they're! In addition to.

L

Or in replacement of some of the things on the current menu, I was going to take it a.

Z

Little bit different from a mexican cantina and breakfast facility and do more american grill.

Z

It doesn't come with liquor, so it'll be beer and wine. My goal is to promote local breweries.

Z

In serve, and maybe they could do, events also work with the liquor store with a couple local.

Z

Wineries that I'll push um through the store as well I'll, serve their wine and.

Z

I'll, hopefully, do some stuff where they can come do tastings and we pair it with different food.

L

L

Are you on you are on the on actually on the license at main street liquors? Is that.

L

Correct correct: it's a class, a license, I'm a class, a license! um Have you? How long has.

L

That been, how long have you had that store 16 years february 22nd, and if my memory serves.

L

Me you've had one violation in almost 16 years for a sale to monitor there. That's correct, okay,.

L

um And I take it: you're tam certified yes, sir and mr troutman testify as part of his duties.

L

uh Working for you at the cantina you'll make sure that anybody serving will be tam certified.

L

As well yeah, we do it. um He had mentioned. We work with cnr, it's main street liquors.

Z

Hampstead liquors and cnr pub we utilize their restaurant for tam certifications. I.

Z

Believe, they're good for five years now, not 100, if it's five, but we try to do them on.

Z

Occasion as we have turnover to try to have the majority of the staff certified, and it's always.

Z

Or typically, I try to have someone who is tam certified in the establishment at all times.

L

um I don't know if you were paying attention when the board's council read the introductory.

L

uh Remarks he said something about the health department. Are you aware of any issues with.

Z

Health department so um yeah they came and did an initial inspection and then they they came.

Z

Actually mary was with me, I don't remember what the date was, but we did get approved. I don't know.

Z

Why it would say that we did it, but I was, I assume it was just their initial. That was the initial.

Z

One yeah, as far as you know, you're you're, good yeah. We made the corrections that were requested.

Z

J

L

I don't have anything further at this time of mr salida.

G

So, mr slater, a quick question main street liquors and hampstead liquors are our competitors. Yes,.

G

Foreign, our applicant, mr troutman, works for your competitor or are my notes wrong. So.

Z

Yes, well, they won't be the competitor of the restaurant right, yeah.

E

You own those to them just to be clear, mr mr slater's wife is the licensee at hampstead liquors.

E

For hampstead liquors, yes and and for um maine's main street lakers you're, the I'm, the licensing.

E

Yes, full owner, um mr dan bowles, my wife, actually, my brother-in-law runs hampstead liquors, okay,.

A

You're, the you're, the owner of main street.

Z

Not hampstead well, sam smith, 90, kristin, salida, 10 dan bulls, so your wife is on the license and.

Z

She is not on the license at hampstead liquors, she's owner. She is not licensed. Oh that's right.

L

Is the licensee there dan dan was it dan boltz, but she's 90 owner of that one? Yes and you're.

A

A 90 or 100 owner of the other one correct, so there's family and you're going to be 90.

A

Owner of this establishment of the restaurant- yes, yes, you're, also going to be the landlord correct.

A

How many can you seat it's there's a septic issue which limits it to 25 and from what I understand.

Z

I'm not 100 sure, but uh when brian came for the license, I think you guys made an accommodation.

Z

On the seating for a beer and wine class b from a 50 to a 25, possibly yeah, we did 30 to.

Z

20., yes, I apologize and then yeah, so I'm not sure exactly how it worked, but it can only seat 25 max.

A

That was my question because this diagram.

A

Only shows four or five tables and several at the bar yeah.

A

Any other questions, mr salido. What are your policies going to be for the you also agree.

E

No vertical license correct. We went, I think, when, when keith came in, he did a really good job with.

Z

That handbook- and they came out with all the the things that we hang up and put on our counter.

Z

um During covid with all the mass, it got pretty hectic and it was, it was just easier.

Z

To completely do away with any any vertical licenses at all, so are you doing a card all.

E

Or you're going to do a like, 40 and under or 30 and under fortunately we're most of.

Z

Our probably 90 for 95 percent of my customers are return customers, so um we know most of them.

Z

When somebody's new, I require that they card anybody that looks under 30. and then you know.

Z

As they get to know the customer base, you know we obviously don't re-recard people that we know well.

E

But in-house training, you are you going to have in-house training and yeah? Well, I I'm pretty.

Z

Hands-On with with you, should be responsible for that. Well, neil is going to handle all the.

Z

Paperwork and the tam scheduling and everything, but I'm pretty adamant about underage sales. We've.

Z

Been open 15 years- and I don't know what my file says, but I'm sure we've been checked close to 100.

Z

Times between cigarettes and alcohol and and one of my employees did make a mistake and he attended.

Z

The hearing with me, we made as many corrections as we can who buys 100 percent, but we try.

A

Excuse me any other questions, if not yes, mr richard, thank you, mr chairman, give me a step down.

L

Mr chairman of the board, please I'll call the character witnesses forward. Please.

L

Can both have a seat.

L

And you've both been sworn in and following my policy, I always go. Ladies first so miss.

L

Dover, can you state your name and address for the records? Please carter, stover, 906, clearview avenue.

AA

Hampstead maryland 21074. Thank you and do you know uh the uh applicant, mr troutman? Yes, I do.

L

How long would you say, you've known him approximately five years, okay, and how did you meet.

AA

Working at the liquor store, okay, um so you've, so you've you've been a co-worker with them. For that.

L

Period of time, yes, okay, based on your knowledge of them, do you think, he's a person of good character.

L

Absolutely a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license here in carroll county. Yes, I do.

L

Further, mr chairman, gentlemen, a question yeah. Thank you, ma'am next I'll ask mr gunning to.

L

State his name and address for the record. Please uh william gunning, 3398, shafer drive hampstead.

AB

Maryland 21074, okay and same questions to you. Sir, do you know mr troutman? Yes, I do how long.

L

Have you known him approximately three years and how did you meet at the store.

L

Are you an employee there as well? um I work part-time on the floor. Okay, thank you.

L

um Based of your on your knowledge of him for the past three years, do you believe him to be.

L

A person of good character, yes, do you think, he's a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license? Yes,.

L

Nothing further, mr chairman, I am done. Thank you. Thank you. Both.

L

Mr chairman, I don't have any further evidence to present if the board, please I'll, make a.

L

Quick closing statement: what do you do? Specter? Do you have any comments? The only thing I have.

F

To say is um I've known eric for a long time he's always been there answering questions and.

F

He's a good person, um my brother actually knows neil from high school. So if my brother knows him.

F

He's a good person, I did do a walk through at county line cantina. They do need to add some.

F

More tables and chairs they did not have their minimum 20 seats, but I talked to eric about that.

F

Already, yes, we're aware of it and that drawing they submitted. Isn't there was a port that was.

F

One of those one of the squares is a pool table. Oh, is that right, yeah was it labeled as a pool table.

F

Okay, the one the one that the cantina yeah it was yeah. There was a pool table, but it's.

F

Gone now and yeah, it was a longer square table on the drawing the others. Three of.

A

Them were around and then there was another one smaller, but there was one that could.

A

Easily be taken for a pool table, I thought it was a table for eight or ten, but anyway.

A

If there's no other testimony, it is closed and we'll go into closing arguments comments. Mr.

A

Ritchie, thank you, mr chairman, um mr chairman, you and the board have heard from the applicant to be.

L

The resident licensee uh he qualifies as far as his uh where he lives he's got a fairly expansive.

L

Experience more than I knew quite frankly in the uh in what I'll call generally the trade.

L

Including the sale of alcoholic beverages, both at liquor stores and restaurants, he's going to add to.

L

His duties of overseeing the tams certification process at the new location and we'll be serving.

L

As a backup manager as needed when people are out sick or on vacation and lives and works,.

L

In the area, so it was certainly available to check on the premises from time to time.

L

And you also heard from the majority owner who's, making a significant investment both in purchasing.

L

The business as well as the real estate he's a local guy local business owner and is continuing.

L

To provide employment and opportunities in the hampstead area um and you've heard him testify as.

L

Well and the board board's records should back it up that he said one violation for a sale to minors.

L

In over over 15 years at his current package, goods location- and you also heard from the character.

L

Witnesses, mr chairman, who both testified, that the applicant meets the criteria for being a person.

L

Of good character, as well as a fit and proper person, and therefore, mr chairman, I believe the.

L

Application meets the criteria established by the board and I'd respectfully request that you.

L

Grant the application. Thank you, mr ritchie. Spector benford. You have any final comments. uh No do not.

A

Testimony uh and evidence is about to be closed, but I just have one question.

A

And I probably missed it for the hours of operations going to be. Mr chairman,.

L

You you didn't miss it. I forgot to ask the question, although it's in my notes.

L

um Mr salido, can you address that my intention is: I need to open monday, through friday, 11 to.

Z

7 or 8, and an open, occasional, saturdays and or sundays. I just need to get the staffing.

Z

Up to speed before I can do that, what was it monday to friday is what monday, through friday,.

Z

11 to 7 or 8, I haven't decided yet and then um saturdays and sundays, as as we can basically.

X

Okay, therefore, testimony evidence is closed and now we will deliberate on the merits.

A

Of the case and come to a decision, gentlemen, you've heard the testimony.

A

Comments, commissioner, barnhart: after hearing the testimony that was presented, I feel that.

E

Mr troutman is a fit and proper individual to um hold a liquor. License he's had two two.

E

Character, witnesses- and he certainly have has had a vast experience and knowledge.

E

In the industry, so with all that said, I would encourage that to approve it.

E

um Thank you, mr harmony. I agree everything you've said. I also agree with mr ritchie's comments on.

G

The qualifications of his app and uh well without further ado, I would make a motion if it's.

G

Proper at this time, it is in order, mr chairman, in the case of 6424, an application for the.

G

Transfer of a class bw beer wine seven day license to be issued to neil troutman for the uso wr inc.

G

Trading as county line cantina, I move that the application be granted.

A

Is there a second to the motion? I second that motion's been properly made in second and that.

A

This board approved the application for a class b, w beer and wine seven day license.

A

To be issued to neil troutman for the use of wor inc trading as county line cantina.

A

One two three hanover pike in hampstead maryland any further discussion on the motion. No hearing.

A

Not all those in favor signifies saying aye, those, no so water. Congratulations, gentlemen:.

A

Mr richie, thank you very much appreciate it. Thank you. Good luck, best wishes. Thank you very much.

J

F

Introduce the file take your time. Okay,.

F

So for the hearing before this one.

G

Is that the gentleman is going to have to go with this all this stuff right.

G

The one where the lady yeah.

A

He's got to get the applications and all the jazz and so on so forth yeah. But let's see also.

G

If the transfer and the transferee must appear the hearing, you need to propose contract of sale.

G

So all he has right now is a letter of intent.

F

He's got a lot to do. Yeah.

A

All paraphernalia that she needs to do the advertising of it right.

A

The finishing touches on whatever else you got to have before so, but so what I would suggest is for.

G

Keith to sit down with him and just say about or give him a copy of this, because I don't know if.

G

He ever got a copy, maybe maybe a lady has a copy yeah. Somebody needs to yeah here's what you got.

A

To do abcd, yeah, that's what andrew real quick go ahead. Go ahead. We take a five minute recess.

A

We're back in sessions at this time. I would ask mr dixon to call case 6423. Please.

B

Okay, 64-23 an application for a new class d. Beer and wine license to be issued to gregory.

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E barron and hector e carter for the use of beer bath inc trading, his beer bath, 1213.

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Liberty, road unit, b4, building, 2 eldersburg, maryland 21784 in election district, five.

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And to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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uh In october, 28 2022 notice of public hearing and october 21st 2022 notice of public hearing.

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A letter from india, phillips revenue examiner 3 october 18th 2022 letter to the board.

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A response to joe vance's request from various state local agencies.

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From belinda gazelle collections office, the above.

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Referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

B

There is a response to joe vance's request to various state and local.

B

Agencies from lisa stanley health department, this establishment.

B

Does not meet the requirements of this office, see the attached memo.

B

There's an october 11 2022 letter from joe vance to india, phillips revenue, specialist.

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Notice of this hearing october 11 2022 letter from joe vance to mr gregory e barron.

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There's a november 3rd 2022 letter from kelly schaefer miller to the board.

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And letter includes an application, there's character, references, criminal.

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Background information, mba records workers, comp information, bylaws.

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Sdat information, stock information, other licensed establishments, articles of incorporation, plot plan.

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Floor plan naturalization certificate and ownership, information and and elise, I would.

B

Ask that the file be entered into evidence. We will accept that in evidence this time I would.

A

Ask all those who intend to testify in the case please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in.

C

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

C

Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth. Thank you all may be seated.

A

It's kelly. You may proceed please. I was about to say good morning, but it's now afternoon, good.

N

Afternoon, mr chair members of the commission, kelly schaefer miller, 73 east main street westminster.

N

Maryland 21157, I'm here today on behalf of beerbath, I have with me mr greg bran and mr hector.

N

I'll call him enriquez, because that's what how he introduced himself to me both present and seated.

N

To my left, as you are aware, from the introduction of the file they have applied for a class d, beer.

N

And wine license, you will hear specifics in the testimony, but the request today is for a seven.

N

Day I understand that this board has, you know: tweaked its rules and regs recently through a.

N

Public hearing, but as far as I'm aware, that's still on the books. The seven day versus six day.

N

So I just want to clarify that the request here today is for a seven day class d. Beer wine license.

N

You will also hear testimony today that they are requesting the permission for the off-premise.

N

Sale as well so you'll hear information about that presented. This location is in what you know as the.

N

Princess shopping center at the intersection of route 26 and 20, uh 26 and 32. I'm sorry.

N

The I'm going to start, and I will ask it to be entered as an exhibit once we begin testimony.

N

But I wanted to provide everybody with the floor plan that I've kind of marked up a little bit.

N

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

F

Oh, I feel so appreciate it.

N

All right, so we will talk through this during testimony, but I for this one because there are.

N

Two kind of components of this business there are uh is proposed to be kind of the front ale house.

N

After you enter and then a back a rear, spa portion, I thought it would be extra kind of just helpful.

N

For you all to have this in front of you as we're talking through it, um so with that I'm going to.

N

First call mr greg moran. Mr o'brien, can you please state your name and address spelling your last.

N

Name for the record sure yeah gregory, baron, 5891 woodbine road, woodbine, maryland 21797 b-a-r-a-n.

N

And you heard my introduction, but is it accurate that you are here today.

N

Requesting a seven day be class d, beer wine license with off sale, premises, capability.

N

Yes, that's correct, okay, and are you a resident and registered voter in carroll county? Yes, I am.

N

Can you please tell the board what your current employment is and what your position.

N

Is correct, I currently work for a technology company um called tenable. I'm the deputy cio.

N

And in that position, do you have? Can you just generally describe your responsibilities.

N

Yeah generally responsible for oversight of a department, uh there's 57 people there performance.

AC

Management, hr and obviously the technical side of the function. Okay and in your application, you.

N

Identified one incident on your driving record: that was not a conviction, but that you kind of.

N

Explained in the application, can you please just tell the board about that when it occurred, where.

N

It occurred and um just brief summary yeah 19 19 years ago I was pulled over. I was charged with dui.

AC

In baltimore, the case was dismissed, no conviction and no other blemishes or issues on my record.

AC

Since, since the 19 years ago, okay, so there's been nothing else on your record since then correct.

N

Okay, uh did you form the entity known as beerbath incorporated? Yes, I did okay, okay and that's the.

N

Entity that this application uh has been filed under correct yes, and are you the named president.

N

Of that entity, yes, I am what percentage of the stock do you hold in that entity? uh 75 percent.

N

And who are the other members of the entity uh and hector enriquez and freddie chiodi.

N

And is hector the named secretary of the entity? Yes, and is it accurate that freddy, as this is.

N

um Just for the board's clarification, all of this is laid out in the corporate paperwork. That's been.

N

Submitted with us, but um can you just clarify for us greg that is, is freddy uh a non-voting.

N

And non-office holding member that's correct! Okay! um What will your role be in this business.

AC

Yeah operator owner um right now, we've decided on you know, spending uh 50 percent of my time.

AC

There shared with with hector in the oversight management from the financials, uh hiring and.

AC

Getting the business up and running now in my opening, I said where this is but.

N

Can you just confirm, is this location at the princess shopping center? Yes,.

N

And is it accurate that you will be leasing the space? You will not own the space correct.

AC

Releasing it- and I think this board is familiar with some of the uses in there. So can you even.

N

Just a little bit more accurately describe to them where, in the princess shopping center, your leasing.

N

Space yeah we're uh we're behind below, loses tecas restaurant on the back side. No, I don't.

N

Know if any of you are familiar with the new dog daycare that's coming in, but are you a door or two.

N

Down from that, yeah two doors are from wag: the dog which opened approximately, I think nine weeks ago.

N

N

It's in the service of alcoholic beverages, no, I do not. Okay are you? um Are you tips or tam.

N

Certified tam certified okay and in any of your prior professional capacity, did you have any kind.

N

Any experience with um alcoholic beverages in general yeah not serving, but I did work.

AC

uh For the charmer somebody group who uh owned um chalmers, sunbelt group alcohol distributor.

AC

Here in maryland uh ran technology, so I had exposure to the uh the distribution of alcohol.

N

And in your current capacity at your company, are you responsible for developing training.

N

Programs and management of staff- yes, yes, performance management, training of.

AC

Training up the career, the career path of our employee base and holding them accountable.

N

Your role at this business will you be responsible for hiring and training staff as well. Yes, okay.

N

Approximately, how many employees do do you anticipate to employ at this location, five.

N

um Have you and hector talked about how you are going to train your employees yeah we're.

AC

Going to um we have an employee handbook that each one will sign we plan on having in-house.

AC

Training we also plan on each one of them to be getting tams or tips certified um prior to start.

N

So, just to kind of backtrack, real, quick everyone will you'll you'll have a a training program that.

N

Certifies them and tips tips or tam, certification, stuff, correct and then you'll also have an.

N

In-House kind of training program for staff- okay- and will you and hector be the ones who manage.

N

That and um I guess, implement that yeah, we'll yeah, we'll we'll put it together, we'll implement it and.

AC

Get this get, you know, get the signatures from each employee, along with that tam certification. Yes,.

AC

Have you and hector discussed whether you will or will not accept vertical ids or not, except.

AC

Vertical ids, okay, um are you and hector both aware of that the state's attorney's diversion.

N

Programs, yes, we are okay, and do you have a plan to notify and train your employees on that? Yes,.

N

um Are you and hector both also aware of the carroll county rules and regulations.

N

Yes, board book from this board. I'm sorry, yes, okay and do you anticipate.

N

Or have you planned to incorporate that into your in-house training program? Yes,.

N

Do you, what are your plans on any kind of signage for the facility? Is there any signage planned.

N

um Kind of geared at alcoholic beverages yeah, so signage plan will be obviously in.

AC

The entrance to the uh the building we have one door as you'll, see on the floor plan.

AC

To get in and out of the uh the premise uh we'll have one near the register and.

AC

um And and near the register to remind the servers of the policy and the signage policy. Okay, now I'm.

N

Going to uh make an assumption here that this is a new sort of concept for this board. So with that in.

N

Mind, can you just kind of generally we'll get into the specifics of the floor plan and everything, but.

N

Can you generally explain the business plan here your thought process how this came about.

AC

Yeah, so the the thought process is on the front side of the um the floor plan. You'll see it's an.

AC

Ale house, it's nothing different than that we'll be serving craft beers. We're not brewing anything.

AC

And we'll be selling uh serving a light fare. So your chicory boards, your your meats, chickens, beefs,.

AC

Hummus type food so you'll be able to order food. That's on the front side. On the back back side.

AC

Of the establishment, it is a spa, there'll be wooden hot wooden tubs that are hot tubs. That.

AC

Will be heated with water and we will be serving alcohol and food in both and that's that spa area.

AC

Also, okay, so, let's dive into a little bit more specific well, first before we do that, I know.

N

Because I looked it up, but can you tell this board like where this concept came from? Does it exist.

N

Elsewhere in the country you know like just give them a little bit of background on that yeah can.

AC

I let my partner yeah I can I can so he is the uh the brand. I will uh I'll ask hector that question.

N

um Because I think it's helpful too, but to talk about um specifically this floor.

N

Plan: okay, so right now we're looking at the floor plan. You've got that in front of you.

N

um The the door that's marked entrance is that the only entrance to the facility- yes, it is okay,.

N

So when I walk in there, I'm walking into the ale house portion correct, correct. Okay, can you explain.

N

How service is provided for food and beverages within that area? Yeah there'll be two points of.

AC

Service one will be at the bar and the second will be at the table from by servers. Okay, so.

N

If I walked in, I could walk up to the bar and order something or I could sit at a table and.

N

Perhaps a bartender would come over to me and take my ordinance two points of service. Okay,.

N

um And that would be the same for beverages and food, correct, okay,.

N

Now, in as we progress to the rear of the building, that's where we have a labeled area for spa.

N

Check-In and then the spa portion, so it what spa services is it just the the tub so in the.

AC

Back there we'll see, there's three rooms, um two of which have one tub of them. The third have two tubs.

AC

uh You'll be able to sign up for buy reservation only so you do reserve a period of time in those.

AC

Tubs 90 minutes there's also a infrared sauna on the back corner. So you can do the spa service will.

AC

Include the uh the tub, the spa service in showers to change uh clothing uh clean up before you leave.

AC

The um the spa area, so the spa area, as shown on this floor plan, has those rooms and then it also.

N

Has separate bathroom facilities from the ale house portion? Is that correct, correct, okay and.

N

For clarification's sake, what what am I bathing in right? So we have a ingredient basis. No there's.

AC

No beer we're not you're, not bathing in beer. It's an ingredients uh put together around epsom salts.

AC

Hops, that's where you get the smell of the beer and such, but we are not just be clear to the board.

AC

And we're not we're not sitting in actual alcohol you're going to have hops in the hot tubs. Yes, yes,.

AC

As a part of the so they filled up, they get heated it just we pour in a um uh ingredients into there.

N

Those ingredients do not contain alcohol. Is that correct, okay, correct? So you said this.

N

But I just want to kind of circle back on it um in order for me to come and utilize, the.

N

Spa services- I would have made a reservation- is that correct right? Okay, so I walk in. I go back.

N

To the reservation desk, tell me what happens like what's the transaction yeah, the transaction is.

AC

We verify that you have a reservation. We do id everyone coming into the spa area, so we check.

AC

For id, knowing that we do serve alcohol in the id and food okay, so I would check in at the spa.

N

Desk, I would show id and any kind of payment that was necessary at that point in time and.

N

Then I would be escorted or shown back to my room, correct, okay, so I'm in a room, utilizing.

N

The spa service, how do I request service of food or beverages correct, so we're gonna have.

AC

An intercom service so you'll place a button. It'll notify a server who will physically have.

AC

To walk back into the spa area and serve whatever whatever you requested, whether you have alcohol.

AC

They can visibly see them and see what state they're in and then also order more food, okay,.

N

So there is an actual exchange of server, just as I mean slightly different, but as if I was.

N

Walking up to a bar and ordering a drink, I'm I'm interacting with a staff member correct, yes, okay,.

N

Are you well, I asked you this and we're going to defer that question to hector so I'll I'll, save.

N

That one for hectors yeah I'll, let hector front front the other. Let's speak to the brand, but.

N

um Yeah he's he's, that's fine. We can we'll switch that one over okay. So um you know, bearing in mind.

N

That this is a unique type of use that for this board to hear about have you- and I spoken about.

N

How the inspection here could work yeah? We spoke it's it's a matter of. On the back end side, we can.

AC

Get free passes right to the spa area, so a cadet or whoever coming in to inspect can go through the.

AC

Entire process from beginning to end uh throughout the year. Okay, so I discussed with you the means.

N

To provide the inspector with access to the spa portion, correct, okay and you are willing.

N

To provide the inspector and the office with a minimum of two, but as many as they need annual.

N

Passes that would allow them access or gift cards. Whatever terminology is most appropriate to have.

N

Access to the spa portion, correct, yes, okay, under this circumstance, and in light of you know how.

N

This the flow works here. Are you willing? Do you agree that at the spa check-in um failure to ask.

N

For id would constitute a violation. Yes, I agree. Okay and that's kind of an understanding that a.

N

Cadet may or may not actually want to inspect and go back and take a bath. But if they don't.

N

A violation would occur if an id was not asked for at the spot, check-in correct, correct, okay,.

N

Now you heard me in my introduction, say that part of this request is the ability for off-premises.

N

Consumption, can you explain the thought process there? What how you why you want that capability.

N

Yeah we, the intent, is to stock it with craft beer, unique beers, local craft beers and potentially.

AC

Ones that are out of state uh the patrons in the in the um inside the ale house is the intent there.

AC

Is that they would want to take some of them home, buy a six-pack? They like the beer that.

AC

They got, they haven't seen it, it's not local or it is local and they want to take it with.

AC

Them we have no intent of promoting um or doing any type of advertisement of this service. It's.

AC

Just more of a service offering, within with the nail house that would be uh unique to those beers.

N

I understand that, although the application here is in the name of an incorporation that.

N

You are individually responsible for anything related to this liquor license. Yes, yes, I am.

AC

And you understand that if the board has any need for communication or otherwise that you.

N

Are the point person? Yes, okay and have you familiar familiarized yourself with this.

N

Board's rules and regulations are you willing to comply with those rules and regulations.

N

Those are my only questions of mr brian. I have a few questions. Sure.

E

um I anticipated that, obviously this is very unique quest that we've never seen before so.

E

I do have some questions: um what's the age limit that can come into this place and.

AC

um The spa, yeah yeah, the spa, is 14 or older 14 years, 14 years or older, with a parent.

AC

Is that spa unit just for that person or does other people come.

E

In there too, it's for that person and is: are there.

E

Is a requirement that they have to have bathing suits? uh No, there is not a requirement.

E

What are these little rectangular things? Are they beds or are they in the in the back rooms.

N

Right here, that's the heaters, the heaters yeah, the heat pump for the little things yeah, that's.

AC

The heat pump for the uh tubs okay, so we gotta have tankless water heaters because we have a.

AC

Time frame to dump because they get dumped and that we fill them back up and they get heated.

AC

For each customer, so the only thing that's um in these rooms are just hot tubs, correct in every.

E

One of the rooms correct: are there lockers in there for people to put their clothes and no.

E

There's no lockers, no there's two bathrooms in the back there that will be used for for locker.

AC

Storage to lock your items up, go in the bathroom change in there lockers and then go to the room.

E

Okay, um so somebody comes to the uh the the desk reception desk for the spa in the.

E

Back right, so they have uh it's an adult and they have a. They have a 15 year old with them.

E

So what are you going to do to make sure that those people are related.

AC

um Id check: do you? Are you going to do that? Yes, yeah we're id checking everyone at the um at the.

AC

Front, it's a spot check and just be clear. So I can come into the ale house, with my children.

AC

We're going to have children, you know crackers and food for kids, drinks, uh sodas and such but.

AC

That back check-in will be id check. What an idea would a 14 year old have that would satisfy you.

G

Excuse me, my id would a 14 year old have that would satisfy you besides a birth certificate.

AC

School id right, yeah schools, issue ids for all students, yeah. We have school id.

AC

Just so you understand, we the expectation that a 14 year old would we know. That's.

AC

The minority, but we need to handle it right, so the control is, is you're with a parent.

AC

Or guardian and you're right, the proof of that is where, where we need to figure out.

AC

If denied, what type of id that is yeah, I mean it's best that they make an appointment. They.

E

Come in and the adult says: oh, oh, we don't, he doesn't have an eye or she doesn't have an id.

E

So what are you guys going to do just say? Well, you have to leave yeah, we denial service, yes, yeah.

AC

You're fully aware that that area back there, although I'm unique to this you know maryland, is.

AC

um There's got to be controls all over the place back there. Another question are those.

E

Two doors in the back here of this spa, so they go out to the outside yeah. That's an emergency.

AC

Exit there's a hallway in the back there. It goes all the way across all the um uh other.

AC

Tenants and that's emergency exits okay, so if I, if I would go out this door what's out here,.

AC

You could get out, you could basically get out to a stairwell to get out of the building. Yes, okay, yeah.

G

Tub and uh the singles too so per set. You can have two people sitting back to back or face to face.

G

And each customer or each reservation gets fresh, um yes yeah, so for we have a process.

AC

The process between customers will be. We will drain the tubs we'll clean. The tubs.

AC

Spray them down and such fill them back up and heat them back up to the temperature. Okay.

G

um And looking at the floor plan, where is the food prepared or where's the food come from yeah.

AC

There's a service area so, if you'll see um the spa portion, um you'll see on the left hand side this.

AC

Is it right here, that's it's all preparation there, refrigeration and such um we don't cook anything.

AC

We don't microwaving or anything everything is refrigerated. There is no, um oh, that's the.

G

Food room yeah: that's a food room, food room right here you see the walk-in refrigerator.

AC

um The sinks in there, the surface area and the door get out for the servers to go in and out of.

G

Do you have an idea of fees for reservation, for your hot tub, yeah right now about ninety dollars,.

AC

For a single and 150 for a couple and what is the time limit on that again? 90 minutes, 90 minutes.

AC

I'm sorry sorry 40 minutes, because then you go into another 90 minutes, total 40 minutes.

AC

You go into this the tub, then the rest of the time you use the sauna and friends soda and.

AC

Shower because we got to move you through the process. Oh, I see so 90 minutes total yeah right.

G

So it's two steps, two steps, five steps, two small steps and then shower and you're done and you did.

E

Say that to make a reservation, there had to be at least one adult coming in with a minor correct. Yes,.

AC

Like a group of high school kids could not make a resume correct, no, no not will not allowed for that.

AC

Nice after prom party yeah we're not the after carroll county after high school party, no.

G

And, and for for our purposes if, if there's a compliance check by our inspector.

G

You agree that the violation would occur when someone has not asked for an idea.

G

At the reception desk, going into the spot correct in that behind that bar area, where.

AC

She uh we have the red line going across in the spot. Check-In, that's the that's! The.

AC

Point entry to the spa right there yeah that's the only way into the spot and out of the spa.

E

Of course, we could do compliance checks in the front of them. Yes, oh yeah, no understood that's.

N

Yeah we had to go to into the spa to do compliance check and alcohol is allowed or not alcohol, but.

E

Beer and wine is allowed into the spa, yes, and you guys serve that to him correct so you'll have.

E

Servers going into the private um hot tub areas right, so they have a button to notify us right to.

AC

The server like they would like you know it's like a call button type thing: a intercom server will.

AC

Get notified they'll come to the door. uh Plately go in, make sure find out. What's what they want.

AC

More of and be able to assess the situation based off of um how many they've drank and all that do.

AC

The assessment there so so clothing is optional in the bath. We're going to have a policy, a statement.

AC

A disclaimer in that back room um hector, already wrote one up. You could speak on his when he does.

AC

His testimony, but we're gonna have definitely a a written policy and an invisible disclaimer on the.

AC

um What we write, you know, what's what we we accept and don't accept, didn't you say bathing suits are.

E

Not required, no, I mean you wear shorts right, but um are you going to allow I hate to bring this out.

E

Bring it up, but are you going to allow people to go in there with no clothes into the hot tubs? No.

AC

Okay, that's what we're trying to get at yeah! I'm sorry, I'm getting! I'm very specific, like you can.

AC

Wear because no so we're yeah, so there's going to be a policy around clothing right being clothed.

AC

um And the the removal of you know, there's the the response to the removal of you from.

AC

The facility in that and that event, okay, can you tell us a little bit about the.

G

uh The alcoholic beverages that you would like to offer, you said craft beers, correct.

G

And uh yeah craft typical craft beers, your ales any beers, if stouts whatnot, um we'll have about.

AC

We're looking to have about 10 on tap right now outside in the bar area, the ale house.

AC

um And then you have your wines, seltzer wines and seltzers, to just distribute no, no.

AC

um No liquor are these doors in these um hot tub areas, rooms. Are they going.

E

To have locks on them, no okay, they're also going to be frosted indoors. So you.

AC

Have he's knocking you can't see through it, but obviously you can see silhouettes.

G

So, basically, in the in the tub areas, the rooms are going to be at a normal.

G

Room temperature, the tubs you can adjust the temperature of the beer.

G

Bath and then you have a sauna where, obviously it's going to be.

G

Assumed warm right, okay, correct and then they shower off and leave happy. Yes very happy.

E

Are you offering any massages in there? We are not no massage, okay, nothing! No one.

AC

You know no massage service whatsoever, so you need a lot of spots. Do all for massage.

AC

Yeah, our competitors do in other states, but not not not in our.

AC

Facility so there's one sauna room. Yes, all your customers, yeah in the hot tubs, correct.

A

So if I look at this, you have accommodations for how many people total it at one time in a hot tub.

N

You mean in the spa, in the entire spa or just in one, oh in the entire spa right.

A

Eight eight eight yeah, two four six, eight correct.

A

And, what's all these things out front, are they tables and so forth? Correct.

AC

So you got the ale house, count them exactly, but it's pretty close to 100. There.

A

Seats, correct correct all these seats out front. What's the main purpose of the establishment.

A

um Is the business plan based more on ale house or is it based upon the sauna and the hot tubs.

AC

Yeah I mean: how did you have a hundred out front and unit can accommodate eight at a time in the.

AC

Back, um it's it's more about, um first off the handle the volume right in the tubs and.

AC

The servers and things like that it is we are, we are leaning for the spa experience right unless.

AC

Unless of the ale house, it's, but also we want to have the customers be able to come in just to do.

AC

The ale house and the spa is not, you know, you don't have to participate right, so we want to.

AC

Draw in both crowds, but we also want to understand from the brand standpoint. It is a spa experience.

AC

That would draw you to come and witness what's going on, but you may not need to participate.

A

Where's, the where's, the nearest establishment that you could compare to this in merrell.

AC

There is not one in maryland: there's not one in maryland. There's one in denver, orlando in chicago.

G

When you say one, you mean, with a plan pretty close to this ale house, spa.

G

Correct how long does it take you? How long will it take you to change the water from the hot tub.

E

Yeah 40 minutes yeah 40 minutes 40 minutes yeah, so someone's in there waiting for their their.

E

Turn and they'll wait 40 minutes for you to yeah. So what's going to be critical, here is scheduling.

AC

So we won't schedule them in in in in parallel and in concert there will be staggered right so.

AC

You'll have a time here we have windows of time between that to to to really empty and fill them.

AC

Up and then heat them and then also stagger them, because we have that one infrared sauna.

AC

Bathrooms are going to make sure that we stagger everything. So it's going to be a lot of planning.

AC

Around that and and what's your process for disinfection yeah, we have a yeah he's a special.

AD

Sorry, it's a special powder with chlorine and some sanitizing powder that you put after drain.

AD

The water you put that put hot water again clean it and then fill it with the original beer bath.

N

No, it's not your fault and uh last name and address for the record. Yes, my name is hector enriquez.

AD

400 tanglewood drive maryland 21784. So do you have one of these spa rooms out here.

E

In the ll area too, that's I, I believe what you're looking at is the restroom.

N

Those are the those are the ale house restrooms, because there are separate restroom facilities.

N

Yeah and then next to us, um no those circles are, um I think, those measure your door.

AC

Swinging, that's for uh ada right, yeah, that's a wheelchair space! Okay, that's the architecture.

A

Wheelchairs yeah, so the wheelchairs can spin that just raised the questions.

A

Or these hot tubs ada can one hop top will be 88. One room will be here, yeah.

A

This has got nothing to do with the application other than how.

A

You've got a tub with how many gallons of water in 80, gallons, 80 gallons, yes, yeah,.

A

Do you open them up somehow and put let the people get in handicap and then fill them with water or.

A

Hack, well, they have like a special steps that are for ada steps. I just forgot the administrator, but.

AD

I think it's eight inches it's a step, so they get with a wheelchair and they have like a rail.

AD

A handlebar they get there jump in the water. I was just curious that thought just come in.

A

My mind: wouldn't you yeah they're gonna swing over the edge and they swing themselves. Yeah.

AC

Those three competitors- we did some research on what they were doing and that's how they're like.

AC

They're standing on their website ada compliant, so somebody come up with this idea like.

A

What's the golf outfit that just opened true golf top golf top golf yeah.

A

Yeah, so this is somebody else's idea comparable to that not comparable to it. Yeah something new.

AC

Yeah, you can speak to it. I was going to say hector will get into the origination, but it's also big in.

N

Europe I've. I actually have spoken with somebody who's utilized this in europe, yeah. That's what.

AC

He could hector will speak to his travels and his experiences. Mr barron, is it baron? Baron is baron.

G

um Your background is a tech guy correct, and how did you get interested in this? This new endeavor.

G

Who endeavor uh two-fold one is, uh I would say, for the last 10 years, looking to figure out a.

AC

Create an open up business where- um and uh one was around brewing, um couldn't find anyone that.

AC

Could brew a good beer yet so once if we had and then just open up that model and take advantage.

AC

Of the market opportunity, I uh came across hector um and uh he came up with. He had an idea.

AC

I like to run businesses and uh that's where the match was made, so um so this really.

AC

That's where it started just meeting hector yeah pretty good this uh you say it started in europe.

A

Original I said that, but hector can say that again yeah. This is already from norway and iceland. It's.

AD

Very common in europe to find beer, but there is one in spain, norway well so many countries.

AD

And in united states, as greg say, there is four is chicago: orlando denver and oregon.

AD

So yeah, the idea is no new is thousands of years ago. The people in europe use that.

AD

And the biking use it for so many years and then they create like a business from this.

AD

And we are trying to put that in united states. That's a very similar concept to.

A

What was referred to when I was there, a japanese bathhouse.

A

Similar concept never began one well, if you ever had a japanese.

A

Bath and one of those reputable outfits in tokyo- you wouldn't forgive it.

G

So, just um to clarify a little thing from me: the.

G

Mr enrique, as your last name, is enriquez, or is it carta well, both enrique escartha.

AD

Because he might contributes to those names, it's like a hyphenated type of yes, okay,.

A

And you're going to do all this with five or six employees.

AD

Because in their spot there is no one will be at the same time, the eight people will not be.

AD

At the same time, we're gonna have like a split times, so we're gonna have maximum of four person.

AD

Or four people in the spa at the same time, but they're gonna get different shift for the sauna.

AD

And the showers and the hopped up so we're gonna have only one employee to serve this spa area.

AD

One employee checking the ideas and all the reception area for the spa.

AD

And three more one in the bar in the bar area, one more tender and the other two servers.

G

Mr enriquez, what is your background? I'm a graphic designer, but I wore like a.

AD

Hospitality photographer for so many years and that's how I know this kind of business.

G

Okay, so you've have seen this business in europe yep so many times, yeah.

AD

I will be inside more than one time yeah. Well, I kind of figured.

A

What are your hours of operation? Maybe you might have said that I was looking through the forward.

N

We have not gotten there yet so yeah, wonderful, fair game, yeah so monday through thursday 11 to.

AC

10 uh friday, through and saturday 11 to 11 and on sunday 11 to 7. so opening it each day at 11,.

AC

Weekdays at 10 and closing on friday, saturday, 11. so monday through thursday.

E

You said 11 to 10 11 to 10. saturday, friday, saturday, 11 to 11 and sunday 11 to 7.

G

Kelly was there a menu in the? We did not provide a menu, because this is not the class b license.

N

um But I'm sure mr barron could specify a little bit more about the exact food. That's.

AD

Kind of curious, yeah yeah go ahead. Yeah the menu we're going to have a pretty much charcuterie.

AD

Board with a special meat wild meats, including whiteboard gold in the cheese we're gonna, have.

AD

Special chief kraft, cheese too we're going to have pickles snacks and what else I'm missing.

AD

Kids get some food yeah we're gonna have even a dog beer. There is a special beer made for dogs.

AD

And dog treats dog treats yeah, so you have dogs there yeah it's a family place. It's a.

AD

Friendly place, we allow dogs and pets and kids anyone and what stage are you in renovation if.

G

If you even started, we are starting right now we are starting to ask the foreign.

AC

For the permits.

E

Are the dogs and be allowed back into the sauna.

F

I think that might be. I don't think the dog's allowed in a restaurant as it is.

F

Well, I need to check to check out how it's the yellow work and we're working with them.

AC

On they want to get the permits, I mean besides service dogs, but I mean yeah yeah right yeah.

C

Let's go to sign right now: stay outside okay. Is there any other.

A

Questions of these two gentlemen, before we move on.

N

I am going to have mr enriquez testify as well. Just to a few a few points.

X

Let's do it okay, let me circle back real, quick, just based on some of your questions.

N

And clarify something with mr baron: um will all of these policies and kind of practices of the.

N

Spa be made clear to somebody as they're, making a reservation or prior to making the reservation. Yes,.

N

Okay, so they will have signed up theoretically, knowing that they will be expected to present.

N

An id at check-in and that you know here are the clothing policies and you're available to access.

N

The sauna, after your like all of that, will be part of signing up yes process and check.

AC

And process online yeah, okay, just thinking of my own experiences- and I think that answers some of.

N

The questions that came up so okay- those are my only questions of mr baron. Next, I'm going.

N

To call mr enriquez, if this board is, does not have any additional questions of mr barron. Okay,.

N

Well, mr enriquez, you already stated your name and address, so I will ask you to.

N

Clarify is it accurate that you are the named secretary of beerbath incorporated? Yes, that's.

AD

Correct: okay, and what percentage of the stock do you hold in the entity? 20? Okay,.

N

And you heard it's: is it accurate that you were here today and heard all of mr.

N

Baron's testimony yes, okay, was it all true and accurate to the best of your knowledge? Yes, okay,.

N

Can you explain to this board what your role in this business will be? I think you kind of just.

N

Gave them some of that answer, but yeah I will be the owner and operator and I would be daily basis.

AD

There until we can get uh at the beginning, I will be there every every single day. Okay, so you'll be.

N

Hands-On operator and manager and kind of jack of all trades correct. Yes, that's correct. Okay,.

N

um Do you have experience in the service of alcoholic beverages? No.

N

Are you tam certified? Yes, I am and you've explained to this board. um I think a lot of the.

N

Background of this business concept and the other locations. So if this board has any additional.

N

Questions there I'm sure you're prepared to answer those, but I'm not going to delve into that.

N

Because I think you gave them a good overview of that um in your role in this business. What.

N

Will you and greg both be responsible for the hiring and training of employees just okay and.

N

um You heard greg's testimony about how that training will be handled tips or tam.

N

Certifications in-house training policies is all of that accurate. Yes, that's not correct. Do you.

N

Have anything additional that um to add to that that wasn't stated no every single, so yeah, okay,.

N

And you heard mr barron testify to the reason for the request behind the off-premises sale.

N

Capability um did he accurately describe that as well? Yes, okay! So it's accurate to say that that's.

N

Just an amenity to any patrons not intended, for you know to be advertised as a separate ability.

N

Or anything like that? Yes, that's right! Okay, and do you understand that, although you've applied.

N

To this board, under the name of an incorporation that you are individually responsible for this.

N

License, yes, I do. Okay, have you taken the time to familiarize yourself with this board's rules.

N

And regulations, yes, are you willing to comply with all of those rules and regulations? Yes, I am.

N

Those are my only questions of mr enriquez, mr enriquez. How did you come to me again? This might.

G

Have already been testified to mr barron: well, our kids go to the same school yeah, so we mean I don't.

AD

Remember exactly what moment, but we're meeting one day with activity, kids and then I'm a bit lower. He.

AD

Like beers too, so we start talking about beers one day and then he told me about the brewery.

AD

That he was trying to build- and I said yeah I have another idea that is better than a brewery, so yeah.

AD

Okay and that's how everything starts so it looks like this is pretty specialized equipment. That's.

G

Not readily at home depot, for instance, so I'm thinking that the investment that general put.

G

Into us is not insubstantial: where will you get this specialized equipment? You have to.

G

Order from europe, no, the equipment- we can get it from here, because it's a good seller or hot tops.

AD

So it's like a special hardwood that is cider. Okay, a hot top yeah.

G

And how about the um the machinery that mixes the special? Yes, they are different powders.

AD

That we use everything is natural, uh some powders, I the same. They use two brewer beers.

AD

And we put it with epsom salt and water, only mix it inside the water, and that's it that's why we.

AD

Have to drain the water because that powder is cannot go through a filter, so we drain the water.

AD

With sanitizes and then fill it again and we put the powder again in the water, so it's not.

G

Necessarily a specialized um equipment machinery to make the uh you know, I can't the bath no.

N

Actually that helped my understanding as well, because didn't you mention to me that some.

N

Facilities, I could actually buy like the powder and take it home and do it myself, yes, that when.

N

He said that to me it all kind of clicked: are they going to have growlers they don't they might.

N

Want to, but that's not on the table today, yeah yeah, because you said draft have draft beer with.

F

England, when I have a growler yeah, I think that the with the um with the craft brewery focus being.

N

These specialty bears yeah. It would be something that they would ultimately be interested in.

A

Are these tubs similar to what I could buy at the howard county, fairgrounds or the state fairgrounds.

N

I don't think we have an answer to that question.

N

Well, it's not it's not jetted tub right, it's not it's! Just it's just it's not the quest. It's a.

F

Soaking top not yeah right now, yeah. Thank you for clarifying that, mr gunford, because I was just I.

F

Have both okay, I mean, but basically it's sitting in a hot tub yeah, so I mean a pot soaking tub.

N

What's the charge going to be 190 or something what ninety dollars for how long per person one.

AD

Hour, 40 minutes 40 minutes in the hot tub and 90 minutes in the entire place. 90 per person.

AD

Yeah single 50 for a couple, one exactly yeah. So if you've got a 14 year old and a parent.

A

They have the parent has to be with them at all times. Yes,.

A

How about if they got a three-year-old kid with them? What are you gonna do with the three-year-old.

A

Kid can you let them back here, there's my space for that, because the room is for two.

A

So who's going to take care of the three-year-old kid.

N

Something that they've brought with someone they've been with.

AC

Them or they're not using the yeah. We can't use the facility.

A

Any other questions.

A

Not at this time miss kelly. You want to move on please. Yes, I do have two character: witnesses.

N

um With me as well, actually I have four not two. I have four character witnesses with me so.

N

um First I'll call is it patricia enriquez correct? Yes, okay and jake griffith.

N

So you guys, if you just want to well, you can either stand at that mic or get wherever you.

N

Can can access a microphone okay, so patricia we'll start with you? Can you please state.

N

Your name spelling your last name and address for the record sure hello, everybody, my name.

U

Is patricia coronado c-o-r-o-n-a-d-o.

N

And your address for the record, please 400 tanglewood drive sykesville maryland 21784.

N

And who are you here today as a character witness for mr barron okay? And how do you know greg.

U

I know greg because it happened that our kids go to the same school and we do activities together.

U

I ended up being katie's friend and then we do um like gatherings at home. We get together with.

U

The kids and it's so cool, because we're mixing cultures here- and we come up with this great.

U

Idea and I have been yeah friends since about two years ago, okay and in your relationship with greg.

N

Have you found him to be an honest and reliable person to hold a liquor license? Yes, of course,.

N

Those are my only questions of miss patricia unless anyone else has ms coronado, have you been.

E

To one of these beer spots somewhere before, yes, I have the one in orlando and what was.

E

Your experience there, it was amazing, it was an experience like these weird experience that you.

U

Don't even know that exists, but once you're there it does. It is so cool because you're getting to.

U

This bathtub and it's so refreshing and you feel relaxed and you have that opportunity.

U

To be with somebody, your friend or your kid or whoever and just have a good time and then.

U

You're drinking beers, so did the atmosphere feel like a family-friendly atmosphere? Yes, 100 yeah.

A

What kind of beer did you drink or wine? I you know, I'm learning to drink.

U

A ipas, but, to be honest with you, I like any kind I like light beers, yeah.

A

Any other questions no.

N

Thank you. Thank you, mr griffiths. Can you please you can step up to any of the hot mics.

N

Can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for the record? Yes, it's jake griffis.

X

G-R-I-F-F-I-T-H-S we live at 330, brookfield drive in sykesville, maryland 21784 and who are you here.

N

Today as a character, witness for greg barron, okay, and how long have you known, greg, uh 10 or 11 years.

X

And how do you know greg? I first met greg because my oldest son and his second son were at preschool.

X

Together, so we met them 10 years ago, when we put our kids at goddard in eldersburg, and I now have.

X

A daughter also and my daughter's the same age as one of his daughters and we've just been friends.

X

For about 10 years and in your relationship with greg, have you found him to be a fit and.

N

Proper person to hold a liquor license. Yes, those are my only questions of mr griffiths questions.

A

Thank you, sir all right. I would next call um well we'll start with kate baron.

C

She wasn't smart.

A

I swear in real quick, thank you. I made a note of that and then I forgot to just say it. Thank you.

C

Do you swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury, that's testimony you're about to.

C

Get is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth. Thank you. Miss pants, miss baron.

N

Can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for the record, my name.

AE

Is catherine barron uh b-a-r-a-n? I live at 5891 woodbine road wood by maryland, 21797.

AE

And who are you here for today as a character, witness hector enriquez and approximately how long.

N

Have you known hector um two years and how do you know hector um our daughters go to school together.

AE

That's how we initially met okay and in your relationship with hector. Do you find him to be.

N

A fit and proper person to hold a liquor license. Yes, those are my only questions of miss baron.

N

I would next call mr robert scott.

N

Mr scott, you probably get the gist by now, but can you please state your name spelling your.

N

Last name and address for the record: yes, my name is robert scott s-c-o-t-t. I live at 5925.

Y

Bowie mill court in derwood maryland, okay, which is rockville but and mr scott, who are you here today.

N

For as a character, witness hector, enriquez, okay and approximately, how long have you known hector.

Y

15 years, and how do you know hector through business? Okay, so you've worked together. Yes, okay,.

N

And in your relationship with hector, do you find him to be a fit and proper person to hold a liquor.

N

License absolutely those are my only questions of mr scott and I assume you found him very reliable.

G

In the business world, yes, I um excuse me, I have a real estate team, my wife and I have a real estate.

Y

Team prior to that I had a um office supply company and he was he did the second generation.

Y

Of our website development and uh since then, I've been using them for various things as well.

Y

um I think he sold himself short because he didn't tell you that he not only does web development in.

Y

But he also markets designs and helps. Restaurant owners launch their marketing campaign from menus.

Y

To the signage to the color scheme in the building, in addition to that, he does an amazing job with.

Y

Wood wood cutting so currently I'm using him our net wood cutting but carving. Currently, I'm using.

Y

Him on a project that the person just bought a beach house and he's going to be picking out the.

Y

Piece of wood and he's he's very knowledgeable on the different types of wood and then coming.

Y

Up with some ideas to present to my client and and then actually implementing it as well.

Y

So, overall, just a universal guy. Thank you. Yes,.

A

That is familiar with wood. Could he drive a 10 penny nail and a 10 year.

A

Old locust post without bending you know, that's a good question. That's.

Y

A hard piece of wood, sir, so I a sight to see and know that any other question.

Y

Thank you yes, sir. Thank you.

N

That concludes my testimony.

F

I did go down to the site: the site is sitting vacant right now. It's gonna be a while before.

F

They get up and running, and I'm just wondering if I need to put a request in for a pair of shorts.

A

I don't want to see that on the next budget.

A

Gentlemen, do you have any other questions this time.

G

No, I think council has presented a pretty thorough case. There are no questions at.

A

This time, uh evidence and testimony has closed and we'll hear any closing remarks.

N

Thank you. I know that this is a unique concept to carroll county. I feel like over the past few years.

N

This board has seen several different, unique businesses, starting to kind of crop up within.

N

The county and I think it's as as a resident, I'm excited about them and I hope everyone else is too.

N

um I think that today you heard testimony from two very qualified applicants. Yes, this is a new.

N

Type of business for the county, but that does not mean that it can't be run very successfully by.

N

These two gentlemen, who I think have presented a plethora of testimony that speaks to their.

N

Ability to run a business like this and their investment in that business. You heard from two.

N

People who are who are very excited to be small business owners and who take this very seriously.

N

um The the application itself speaks for itself, not to repeat myself, but.

N

um The the qualifications are met and I believe that all of the testimony was presented by two.

N

Very capable uh and fit and responsible people to hold this license, so I would request this.

N

Board's approval for a class d beer wine license with off sale uh with off-premises.

N

Capability uh for the you know, reasons that were stated during today's testimony. Thank you.

G

All right, I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. I think it was it's kind of good.

G

This might be the third time today that I've agreed with council wholeheartedly.

G

um Your your attorney has made a very good case for you and has sent out what you want.

G

To do- uh and it is a little uh strange for us- the concept, but I find it very intriguing and.

G

I live in eldersburg and if you get this up and running, I would be very happy to check it out.

G

um I I agree that both of you are very qualified, uh character-wise fitness, wise and also experience.

G

Wise uh you're, serious people, and I think you know what you're doing and I think you have a.

G

Really good idea what you want to do, and I think you will succeed if we grant this this license.

G

um And I look forward to hearing from uh I agree with senator. I agree with commissioner bernhardt.

E

That it is a very unique uh enterprise that we're not used to seeing in this county and.

E

I'm not objective, I'm not. I don't object to a new type of business. um I do have some.

E

uh Some issues- and I hope that you too can be responsible uh individuals and business people.

E

um To make sure that none of the issues that could happen happen in this facility, as you know, I'm a.

E

Little concerned about, I think your age limit is a little too too too young. These should be a little.

E

Bit higher than that and um looking at the the denver uh beer have you been to the denver one.

E

Nine of them working at the denver one they're a lot more relaxed about their spa there. I was.

E

Reading it um they don't require any clothes at all. Hopefully, you'll be responsible individuals.

E

And I think it's worth giving you giving it a try to see if it works out in this county.

E

um So with all that said, I I can make a motion unless you have some way to do that, I didn't.

A

Give our inspector a chance to make any final comments. I mean talking to kelly and I think.

F

With these people being very knowledgeable, and I think um I think we can make it work for the underage inspections.

F

And I think it'd be very interesting. I hope you do approve it.

G

Yeah kelly made a very good point about how we can do our job and.

G

And you've thought it through well and presented us with a very workable. She.

F

Did call me and we talked about it, so do I get some credit? No, because I called you.

N

I probably missed it when, when do you anticipate opening marsh march march,.

A

You may have said it, but I don't think he said no they're, not with our county permits.

F

Sorry to be that- and you understand that I'm sure your attorneys explained at any time we.

G

Grant uh a license like this: it's conditioned on permits getting all those permits lined up.

G

Yeah in your permitting uh system, you have to request a certain amount of water. Oh what sorry.

A

Oh water, that's that's jurisdiction, specific, I'm, not certain that there's any sort of permitting.

A

um County permitting question related to that for this type of use, um but certain jurisdictions.

A

Would it's a commercial operation right, yeah right, but it's on public water and sewer too.

A

Which I don't matter? No, but I mean allocation, not an allocation and I'm just curious yeah.

A

Whether they had to have an allocation or not but they'll, find that out, yeah we'll find out. We have.

A

The plumbing engineer or mep engineers that are putting we expect that those type of questions.

A

40 gallons, is that what you said: 80, 80, gallons, yeah, 80 gallons one is full, but probably when I.

A

Feel it was only 60 because, with the weight of the person of two person, the water go up.

A

So yeah yeah, if you get somebody like one of our inspectors in there, I knew that was coming.

A

With all that said, uh I'm open-minded enough to give give it a try and see how it how it goes.

A

Hopefully, you guys will be responsible enough to make sure it's monitored the way it should.

A

Be monitored um so with all that said, uh I um make a motion to approve the applications for.

A

A new class d beer wine license to be issued to uh gregory e barron and hector e carter for.

A

The use of beer bath inc trading as beer bath, one two one: three liberty, road unit.

A

B4 building two eldersburg maryland two one: seven, eight four and election district, five.

A

Second, that motion motion's been probably made in second, that.

A

This board approve an application for a class d. Beer and wine license to be issued to gregory.

A

Buran and hector recorda for the use of beer bath inc trading as beer bath, blah blah blah.

A

Do you think we should? I think you should okay yeah, we can the gentlemen. Will you accept that.

A

This part, without going through all the robert's rules of the second that amendment and with one.

A

Other stipulation all um applications and all um permits have to be fulfilled and approved.

A

Correct correct any further discussion on the motion. All those in favor signify saying aye.

A

Aye opposed no so water. Congratulations. Thank you very much. One question not question. One comment.

A

Perhaps you could for our own information or whoever this board might be? Can we hear from.

A

You about a year from now I'm just bring us up to date how things went and if you had, if, if.

A

You would change anything at that time as far as operation and go and pitfalls. You may have faced.

A

And how you accomplished them, and so forth, just for our yeah, of course, our information education.

A

Yeah yeah, of course, yeah. Okay, with that. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Good.

A

Luck. Thank you now you two, ladies. I was going to ask a question when you testified, but I'm not.

A

Going to do it because, commissioner, lance is back there and he'll make fun of me. If I do so, okay.

A

All right, thanks for your time, thank you. Thank you. Congratulations.

A

A

When you look through that application, he had a dui yeah when your record is expunged.

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But it should have cleared we're used to that. Our record should have cleared. It should clearly.

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It's on the tape.

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No, no, how about right here to get it! He said it was wait, a minute wait, a minute hold it.

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We're on the record are we are we going to take? Are we taking a recess or something.

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No we're still going to shut up okay.

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Questions that had nothing well dibs the case, but nothing to do with the decision locations.

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The previous people yeah.

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Okay at this time, I would ask mr dixon nicole our next case 6422, please, okay, 6422, an application.

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For the change of resident licensee from blend salisbury, the third to kenneth laurie for a class.

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Bc, beer, wine and liquor license with catering to be issued to kenneth laurie for the use of bud's.

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Bar and grill inc trading, his buds at silver run 4115 littlestown pike, westminster mill.

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21158 in election district 3. and to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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Notice of public hearing uh october 28, 2022 notice of public hearing october 21st, 2022.

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And october 11 2022 letter from joe vance to ken laurie and october 7th 2022 letter from charles.

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O fisher jr to the board and then there's an application in the application, includes.

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Character, references mba records, criminal background information, a deed and financial.

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Information, I would ask that the file be entered into evidence, we'll accept that in evidence this.

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Time all those who intend to testify please stand raise your right hand, be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

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To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth.

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It may be seated mr fisher, you may proceed please, sir good afternoon understand that.

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We are the last order of business on your docket today, and I was here for the last.

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Part of the last hearing- and I can tell you that we are not going to ask for anything controversial.

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If this is a very, very straightforward application, um buds bar and grill, which.

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Is the trade name no buds bar and grill inc is the corporate owner of the premises where.

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This existing license is located and is uh also the company that operates the business.

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And, as you probably know, the there was a prior hearing in this case in december of 2007. It was.

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Case 5371, and in that case a license was issued and glenn salisbury, who was a 50 owner of the.

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Corporation of bud's bar and grill inc was the um resident licensee and he has passed away and.

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That is why we're here and uh I would supplement the application that has been filed in this case.

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One of the items in the file was a page 11 of your application was a signature by the personal.

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Representative of the estate of mr salisbury indicating that they can that she, the the personal.

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Representative and wife of mr salisbury consents to the issuance of license sheet in effect, is the.

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Legal title holder to the 50 interest in the property and the item that I submitted did not.

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Have her signature on it? I now have her signature and I'd like to submit that location. Okay,.

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I think I would like to call ken laurie as a as a witness.

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You stand gentlemen. Actually it's better if you sit okay, because mics will pick.

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You up better. Whatever you tell me, I was getting him ready to swear, but that's fine.

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But he's already been for it you're right. Could you state your name and address.

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For the record, please kenneth lurie 3922, otters, mill road westminster, maryland 21158.

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How do you spell your last name l-u-r-I-e, uh mr lurie? You are a 50 owner of the corporation of.

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Bud's bar and grill inc is that correct? Yes, and that is the corporation which.

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Operates the existing business at um 4115 littlestown pike is that correct, correct.

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And you have been the manager of that business since it opened. Is that correct, correct and uh you.

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Have been basically responsible for its operation during that entire period of time? Yes, sir, and.

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You're also the one who, on a day-to-day basis, has been responsible for complying with the rules and.

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Regulations that relate to alcoholic beverages at the premises is that correct? Yes, all right.

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You submitted, uh let's start that.

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You are the president of bud's bar and grill inc. Is that correct? Yes, and at this time the.

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Secretary treasurer is heather salisbury. Is that correct, yes and heather? Salisbury is.

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The widow of glenn salisbury and is the personal representative of his estate- is that correct? Yes,.

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At the time that the license was issued for the premises.

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The premises was not owned by bud's bar and grill. Is that correct there? It was under release from.

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Yes, a another company that owned the property and after the issuance of the license, bud's.

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Bar and grill, of which you were one of the owners, actually acquired the property. Is that correct and.

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I would like to just point out to the board that the deed by which bud's bar and grill acquired.

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The underlying property is an exhibit or is an attachment to the um application that we filed.

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You have seen the application that has been filed in this case on your behalf. Is that correct? Yes,.

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In fact, you substantially filled it out and is the information that is in there true and correct. Yes,.

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Do you consent to act as the licensee for this business on behalf of the corporation? Yes,.

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The question of, ultimately, who is going to be the owner of the corporation in light.

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Of the death of mr salisbury is to be determined in the future. Is that correct.

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I'm sorry to shuffle through my own papers, but.

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I would like to submit a copy of the docket sheet of the register of wills.

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Of carroll county indicating that uh heather lynn salisbury, is the personal.

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Representative of her husband's estate and that he died on january 19th of 2022.

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Thank you all right. I don't think I have any questions any further questions in mr uh of my client.

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At this time, do you almost any questions with mr rory? Just a quick one, lori the.

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So buds bar and grill inc, the owner of the property, correct building and the licenses.

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For the use of buds bar and grill inc- and it was it's- ownership- is 50. 50. at 50 percent belongs to.

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The decedent, so if is that 50 percent a probate asset, is that part of the estate right now or was.

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There other arrangements made I'm getting. I can answer that: okay, uh sit down microphone, bad habit.

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We are not involved directly in the handling of that estate and I have not conducted an entire.

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Inventory of what has been filed in that estate, but it is appropriate, yes, that that half would.

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Be india state, okay and as we move forward, I would expect that mr laurie would probably acquire that.

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But we have not entered into any negotiations about that at this time. The estate is still in the.

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Process of being administered right- okay- I just I just want to make sure there wasn't some type of.

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Agreement where, in case one of the parties passes away, there's a transfer, it's it's appropriate.

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Asset, probably that's correct, there's no buy sell agreement. Yes, thank you. Any other questions.

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No, if not mr fisher, all right, I would call um bill gerone gerini. Did you come up please, sir?.

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Did you state your name and address for the record, please william constantine gerini, 913 old, new windsor pike westminster, maryland 21157, mr gerini.

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You know, mr lure, is that correct. I do I've known him for three to five years and how.

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Do you know him? What's the circumstances, um my wife and I have uh expressed a a favorite.

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Of going to his assessment establishment for dinner, um we became good friends over the years.

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um He runs a fine establishment and uh we've enjoyed outside of the bar as well as far as the.

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um Dining there we we've played with golf together, brooke and came to myself and my wife.

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Do you believe that he's a fit and proper person to hold the license that he has applied for.

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Absolutely um I think that, uh actually I not that I think I know my experience.

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With with ken his responsibility of running his restaurant in the bar.

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And the responsibility of said license, I believe that he would be able to continue.

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um That opportunity and privilege, and for himself in the county, do a very good job. Thank you. Any.

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Questions questions uh no questions. Thank you, sir. All right. Thank you. um Alexander clark,.

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Did you state your name and address for the record? Please alexandra clark, 1836 old, new windsor pike.

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New windsor maryland 21776 and I take it that you know mr lurie, and how do you know him? I've.

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Known ken since 1993, when we were both working in ellicott city and we've been friends ever since.

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Then, since he started operating his restaurant in carroll county, my family and I have frequented his.

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Restaurant, he also has employed two of my children at his restaurant as a dishwasher and a busser and.

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um Can I consider ken a very good friend of mine and also his wife brooke, to be a.

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Good friend of our families, and do you believe that he is a fit and proper person to hold the.

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License that he has applied for absolutely um his restaurant is a great asset to this.

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County and he is a great businessman who operates a fine establishment and who.

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Does outreach in the community and supports the community and charitable organizations both he.

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And brooke do that and I think that he's an outstanding person to hold a liquor license.

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Are there any questions, any questions, yeah, all right, sam? Thank you. Paul murphy.

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Mr murphy, would you state your name and address for the record? Please yeah, it's paul murphy, 4707.

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Old hanover road westminster, maryland 21158, and how do you know ken laurie never met him before.

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I met ken my son used to be a cook at the old establishment when ken took it over. My son came.

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To me and said, hey, this building needs a lot of work and I just retired, from uh verizon in 2008.

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So I said yeah I can only play so much golf, so I think I'll come down and help him out.

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So I started helping out repairing this repairing this replacing this replacing that.

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Never got paid for anything I was supposed to, but never got up on a kid.

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And uh so I just stayed there, then I did maintenance work and even sent me to ras.

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uh To get training, I said: wait a minute on the maintenance man, he says yeah, but you might have.

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To 10 bar around here too, I said, okay, so I took that training and ken and I have been.

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Best friends forever, since it's been 14 about 14 and a half years and he's one of the most honest.

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People, I know he said when you're playing golf he's. Not that honest when you play a goal, but.

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He's an honest guy, so I take it that you believe that he's a fit and proper person to hold the.

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License absolutely applied for hinge down he's a fantastic guy all right. Thank you. Any questions.

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Commissioner, lance murphy.

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Not used to being out here, I guess I'll have to get used to it soon.

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Could you state your name and address for the record? Please stephen lance 2755 halter.

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Road westminster maryland 21158, and how do you know ken larry, I've known ken for about.

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Well, it's coming up on 15 years now and uh big asset to the community met him as a result of.

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He uh taking over the establishment up there in my business, it's good to have an establishment.

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Like that, because uh every now and then I need a glass of unsweet tea, so uh that's that's I've. I.

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Got to know ken uh at that establishment and have known him ever since a little bit of bonus points.

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Here I also performed his wedding ceremony and they're still together. So that's a plus.

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I take it that you believe that he's a fit and proper person to hold the license that he's.

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Applied for absolutely a great businessman pays a tremendous amount of detail to attention up there.

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uh He's uh he's there watching all the time and I'm going to take off the steve lance hat.

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And put on the commissioner hat and say if carroll county had a two dozen more buds at.

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Silver run in this county we'd be better off. uh He's not only takes care of the community.

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But the outreach as a result of the the uh the product that he puts out up there brings people.

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In from all over- and you all know what that means, when people come to buds, they go by gas stations.

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Etc, so a tremendous asset to not only the community but to this county and certainly to the.

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Region so no question in my mind that uh ken needs to get into this position and and move forward.

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Does anyone have the nerve to ask him any questions.

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Come on, I could ask numerous questions yeah, but I can ask him back mr bronning. So the only thing.

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I'm going to say is on behalf of the board up here. The staff uh to uh mr lance is congratulate him on.

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Eight years of community service to the county and the state- and we wish.

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Him well and thank him very much for all his support and.

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Enthusiasm for carroll county, so thank you dave. I appreciate that and right back at you, uh you know.

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It's tough to find folks for these boards and commissions, and you all stepped up to serve and.

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We truly appreciate that, so this county is only as good as those folks that do things like you.

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Do whether it's planning and zoning or or zoning appeals or or the licensing commissioning, uh it's.

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It's you're you're why carroll county is the best county in the state. So thank you all very much.

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And a huge huge shout out to staff too, we got the best staff anywhere you're here we agree. Thank you.

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Very much thank you. Good luck, you're welcome. I have nothing further to say at this point.

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Inspector benford, you have any comments, make them short. If you do.

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um It's all every time I go in there ken's there unless it's during the morning time he's usually.

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Golfing in the mornings, um I think, it'd be a fit and proper person have a liquor license.

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I assume south hills are somewhere as close. I've been playing flatbush lately, bye, bush.

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If there are no other questions, testimony and evidence is now closed and if there.

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Are any summary remarks or closing remarks? Mr fisher, I have no remarks not.

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With that gentlemen, you've heard the testimony and the evidence as.

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Presented here now we will deliberate on the validity and merits of the requested.

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Transfer and licensee well, commissioner, barnard I'd like to give you my my opinion on it and I.

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Would say if you would to look up fit and proper in a dictionary you would have mr laurie's picture.

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Right there, because he is of fit and proper uh highly qualified. The restaurant is a great asset.

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To the community the best food around, especially the soup, I do attribute that to your wife.

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um So I uh I would like to request that we we approve it uh well, mr harmony, I embrace your.

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Remarks um it's funny today has been a day where we have seen some pretty impressive character.

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Witnesses and uh this last hearing very impressive people came up on your behalf. People who their.

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Word means a lot to us and to everybody in the communities so clearly you're fit and proper.

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You have the clearly have the experience to carry on the great tradition that you've established.

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Over these years at birth to silver run, so without any further ado, I would offer to make a motion in.

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This case, mr chairman, one one quick question: there's one lady here that hasn't testified.

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Well, I assume that, but I didn't now's your chance if you want to say anything bad, no, she says it no matter today.

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There you are: there's the soup maker. Yes, okay! I know. Congratulations! Okay, mr walker. Commissioner,.

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Monarch, uh mr chairman, in case 6422, which is an application for the change of resident licensee.

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From blind, salisbury iii to kenneth lurie for a class bc, beer wine liquor license with catering.

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I would move that that application be granted they're. Second to the motion. I second that.

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Motion's been properly made in seconded an application for the change of resident license.

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E from glenn salisbury iii to kenneth lurie for a class bc, beer wine liquor license with catering.

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To be issued to kenneth lurie for the use of bud's bar and grill link trading as buds at.

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Silver run be approved any further discussion on the motion hearing, none all those in favor.

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Signify by saying aye, aye opposed no, so water. Congratulations! Mr laurie, continued success.

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There's just one question: I have that gentleman made a comment about mr laurie about you playing.

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Golf but I didn't catch all of what he said. He indicated something about. I taught him how to.

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Play golf: well, you told him how to play so bad. I told him how to play, though. Okay, all right, we'll.

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Go out there and play golf, and you know how most people take a mulligan or something like that. Yeah.

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Not him it's the ball, that's where it goes. He plays from here good. He don't even cheated golf.

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No, it does cheat it dominoes. Nobody said that all right. Thank you very much, and congratulations and.

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Best wishes, according to our agenda, this completes our meeting for this month. If there are no other.

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Business to be brought before this mission, you stand adjourned until december, the 14th. Thank you.