Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 8 Dec 2021

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We are now in session. Welcome you all to our december board meeting commissioners of.

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License in carroll county, it's been a tradition for many years that we begin our meetings with.

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The pledge to our flag and observe a moment of silence in memory of all those who have.

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Gone before us and made this country as great as it is.

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And specifically, in view of yesterday, with that, it's strictly voluntary.

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Mr armin I'd like to lead this to the flag of the united states of america and to the.

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Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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This time I would call our attorney mr dixon, if he will call our first case number 6370. Please.

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All right case 6370 an application for class b beer one. The liquor license to be issued to.

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Jose antonio oloa for the use of cinco de mayo, tony town, inc trading at cinco de mayo, 502, east.

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Baltimore street suite a tony town round, two one: seven, eight seven in election district, one.

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In the file of this matter, we have the following documents:.

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Document vertical id not accepted.

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Document cinco de mayo, mexican restaurant and bar house acknowledgement.

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Alcohol service generally.

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Alcohol sale policy, age, verification.

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There's a december 3rd 2021 letter from connie, snook's revenue specialist, one to the board.

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There's a notice of public hearings november 26 2021 to for this case.

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There is a november 19th notice, a public hearing for this case.

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There is a memo from joe vance to lisa staley of the health department, uh lisa staley.

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Responded with this establishment does not meet the requirements of this office.

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See attached memo she's the assistant director with the health department.

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There is a response to joe vance's.

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Request of air state local agencies, response from the city of tonytown, the above referenced.

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Establishment does meet the requirements of this office, director of planning and zoning.

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His response to from.

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To joe vance from belinda gazelle collections office supervisor, the.

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Above referenced, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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And then there is an application: the application includes character, references, citizenship,.

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Information driving record sdat information, stock information, criminal background information.

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Articles of organization, other licensed establishment.

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A menu plot plan workers comp certificate.

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And the lease and a plot plan, I would ask that the file be entered in the evidence.

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They'll accept that individuals.

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Excuse me this time. I would ask all those who intend to testify in this case to please stand.

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Raise your right hand and be sworn in by an advance.

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Do you swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury.

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That the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the trees.

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You may be seen.

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Before you testify and pull those microphones, they they will move just pull them in front of.

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You before you testify, please state your name and address and spell your name for.

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The record please: okay, I'm going to use a business address or residence either. One.

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Okay, my name is jose antonio and I live at 2150. Warm forest drive, vinksburg, maryland 21048.

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You like to tell us what you have in mind: what your plans are.

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Why you want this license and so on and so forth? Okay! um Well, as you guys know, I have a few other.

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Restaurants in the county already- and I just wanted to expand on that side of the county.

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From what our research was, that it was kind of lacking in you know, food and that side.

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Of town and we an opportunity, came to my hands about potentially opening another restaurant. We.

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We did, uh we studied the area, we saw that it was a good potential and that we want to. We.

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Want to open another restaurant there to, I think, it'll benefit the bad side of towney town and.

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We kind of have everything structured in a way from all other restaurants that we know.

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How the restaurants are running, how you know how everything's going to be run, especially with the.

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Alcohol, we have a good system, we have before we open. We have uh all our servers trained. um We.

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We've been in the restaurant business, I've been in the business of my whole life. Basically so.

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Let me let um interrupt you, you say: they're trained tips are tam trained or company trained.

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Tip tips or things yeah, usually martin johnson, does my classes for.

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The restaurants- I just thought the proper time since you brought it up to.

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Clear that there you go so you know we have a book, a policy book. Basically, you know if.

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Anything happens from somebody running out without paying their tab from somebody that.

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Is uh causing an issue with alcohol because you're not being served? There's a policy handbook.

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To you know tell you what you have to do. You know if you guys send in on an undercover.

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Kid or whatever we give him a hundred dollars if you pass so we have a system to to for employees.

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That uh do their job, they get rewarded. You know not just get a, you know a good job. We make them.

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We give a little money to help them out and also as a thank you for doing their job. So.

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So basically, that's about it. You know it's going to be a mexican restaurant.

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With a with a patio and a full-service family style,.

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Anyway, so you pretty much are successful with the two establishments that you have and.

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This is just to be pretty much the same thing, yes in other locations, so forth, who.

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Who will be managing the place and what's your hours of operation, um my hours of operation are.

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Going to be like my other ones, from 10 to 11, friday and saturday and from 11 to 10 monday.

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Through thursday and sunday so we will close at 11 o'clock on just friday and saturday.

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Then you'll be basically the same thing. I guess is what you have at the others hours wise. Yes,.

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How many employees do you expect to have um on this one? You know with the I would say.

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Maybe around between 15 to 20 overall, but at a certain time it can be. You know, 10 to 15 right.

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And the size of the rest of him, how many seats do you have? I think uh the floor plan has like 62.

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64. and you have you have a separate bar: yes, then the board there's an extra nine chairs last night.

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Counting the 64 or whatever I haven't counted, but I know I made sure last time there was about 50.

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So I know there was a little issue. Last time I got my liquor license.

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For taco loco and that's small, that's that's actually smaller than the floor plan right.

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Here this is a little bigger, oh you're, talking about resistance.

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How many seats are in this in the one in tony town.

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um I I don't have the cover page, but I know it's uh 68. I think plus the.

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Bar, but that doesn't include the part right doesn't that include the bar, so around 60.

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I'll tell you, you picked a good area, you're going to be packed up there. We hope so. You know.

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um There's it's we've got a good welcoming from the community. You know supporting us already so.

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We're you know we're going to open we're pushing to open if everything goes. It's planned january.

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What I haven't seen the final, so what what's the address in tony town.

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It's 502 east baltimore street.

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502 east baltimore street: it's basically right across right beside the dunkin donuts across.

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The street from the food line- okay, that's what I was about. Here's another recipe.

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You picked the exact location I was going to ask: where is it at.

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Location, dunkin donuts, that's the old, jenny's, correct.

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So they they they build on democracy.

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We're here now, how long have you been up in the other two stores? uh I think what my.

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Cinco's been, I think, open for seven years now and then my other one. We opened it in august.

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How's, the one doing taco loco how's that doing oh, it's, it started really really good. You know.

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The summer everybody's still good collecting more money from the government and school.

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Hadn't started so it was really busy, but now it's starting as stable to what I think it's going to.

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Be so overall, I'm still pretty happy with it. Are you having trouble finding help for any of israel.

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Employees are still kind of tough so, but I think that's every industry in a way yeah.

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How many total restaurants you have? This will be my ninth.

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You need to tell me you go to bed every night with nine headaches.

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Well, not even nine, it's probably 100 without every employee.

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How often do you see yourself up at the tonytown restaurant? um I try to make it to the restaurants.

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A few times a week um so when when we first open them they're a lot more, you know because there's.

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Some there's always something going on hey. How do we do this or you know, what's.

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How do you open this door or whatever you know, but um after that I'm usually there? Maybe.

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Two three times a week: you know, but uh I have security cameras. I'm constantly you know checking.

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On them, so it's not like I, if I'm not there, I'm still there looking at you know, what's going on.

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With the you know, the security cameras and yeah, you know, so that's how I managed to look at all.

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My other restaurants, you know, I call them hey. You make sure this guy's doing that and they're.

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Like, oh okay, they realize I'm watching that so they're constantly on it they're very. I.

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Got pretty good employees that um usually they always do what they have to do right.

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You have the policy book that you mentioned is that the same policy book that marty johnson.

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Encourages restaurants to uh use- I think so, but I think for mine. He kind of restructured.

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A little bit towards my restaurants, do you have a coffee with me? I think uh I'm not sure if I.

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Give it to you guys, but it's that multi-page, I think yeah yeah. It's in the record. The policy.

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Books yeah, it's the at the very front right after the vertical id is a series of pages. Okay,.

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Yeah: okay, but it's not tapped it's just! No! It's just before the first day.

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So that would be an exhibit. Is the water in your restaurant.

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It's not working, I'm not sure yeah, it should be part of it. I haven't noticed.

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Maybe we need a water softener or something I haven't. We haven't really like messed.

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With all that stuff, we're never just kind of remodeling the whole place.

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But I guess when the soda company comes in and does their tests we'll know that yeah.

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The health department you mentioned it and I was looking at something else says it doesn't.

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Meet your requirements is that because you got things you got to do we had to pass like.

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Our final electrical still in our final plumbing, all our finals, basically and then stuff yeah, all.

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The routines after we after we passed them, we called them and then they did their inspection.

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I mean he doesn't even have tables, I wasn't there last week, doesn't have tables and chairs.

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Set up doesn't have the kitchen knife, it doesn't have a bar. Does it the base the base of the.

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Barber doesn't have a bar, we don't want to get the marbling, because we did it last time and somebody.

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uh Hit it and broke all of it, so we're going to wait till the very end to put the.

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Countertop, when do you anticipate opening, I think middle january early january, we're pushing for.

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We'll see how much help we get you know and sometimes.

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Nobody really wants to look for a job in the middle of christmas, so we have to see.

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You have two gentlemen with you: are they to testify on? Yes, uh well, omar.

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Bring him bring him both up here to the other desk here.

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Gentlemen, as you testify, may I remind you to state your name and address and spell your name last name, please thank you. uh Edgar.

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uh Last night, with you on cinema, my brother um leaving 744 ronaldo, wrote frederick maryland.

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You say: he's your brother yeah he's my brother see older or younger uh a little younger.

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A little younger you didn't beat up on him growing up, did you? Oh, he hit it when he needed it.

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Right yeah, you, sir, my name is omar. I'm borostoga, my address is 261 bachelor drive, martinsville.

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West virginia bargersburg, west virginia yeah, okay, you got one leg shorter nail on. Do you.

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Do you feel that uh this gentleman is a proper and fit person to have a alcoholic beverage license.

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Yes, yes, um I've been working. I know him like 15 years ago or a little longer.

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Been working with him and yeah, I do you know anything bad about it.

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How many seats are you playing for the outdoor deck.

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Right now we have.

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You identify yourself for the record. Keith benford board license commissioner chief.

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We're thinking about between 20 and 24 outside, but obviously we're going to open.

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The patty when the weather gets warmer, I think that's a very, very good selling.

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Point I mean no other place in tony town. Has most other places don't have outdoor seating.

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There's hardly any restaurants over there, so the restaurant or this facility they're.

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Taking over was a restaurant before okay, yes and then it had outer seating that restaurant.

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A smaller smaller than what you know what they had before us yeah. They had.

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It in a weird layout that you know it was more like a diner, mostly carryout,.

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We kind of changed the look to where you know it's more full service with it with.

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And they never use their patio, so we remodeled the whole patio yeah did you have to redo the whole.

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Kitchen, I know the the bones of the kitchen and the most important thing was the hood, which is the.

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Most expensive part was there, so we kind of went with the layout with which what they had already.

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And there's been no problems and your other establishments that I can recall correct.

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There's been, I think, two underage.

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Most recently they've all passed, I think one was in 19 the other one.

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Yeah- and that was I guess- uh yeah it was in 2018 yeah.

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Attorney has been always there anytime. I need problems. Any type of questions he's always answers.

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um I think he'll be very fit and proper for liquor license, and I think it's going to do well in that.

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Location, it's going to actually better better mexican food than there was there before. Thank you.

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The restaurant before was was that really mexican food didn't taste like it.

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Wow, it was like a mix, I think, between, like tex-mex, central american and mexican.

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Did you go to virginia tech? No, you asked me that we did live in virginia tech.

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Flags for area, but no I'm still a hokie's friend, though yeah.

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Now you think now you mount st mary's fan yeah.

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Who's, your landlord, I think it's.

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What's called enterprises llc, his name is bob bobby. I forgot his last name.

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I can't read his signature.

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Whales, bob whales, yeah.

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So so cinco de mayo has had two violations in hell.

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About six years.

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In 2019 and one in 2020., so you had two in two years back to back yeah. But before that.

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I think it was a clean slate for yes over five years. Yes what'd, you do different. The.

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First, five years, you didn't do that. um Well, I guess there's some employee issues. You know.

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Especially in the pandemic, I think it happened right along with 2020, I would say you know we.

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Did hire a lot of new people when we closed, we were trying to reopen a lot of people didn't.

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Want to come back because they were still afraid and we just we're trying to you, know.

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Find people that help us open at least and maybe, but she was certified. She had her certificate.

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And everything she just yes, because she just didn't: where are your other seven wrestlers.

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um So two in this county and the tiny town I got two in frederick county.

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uh Urbana and one in middletown, I got one in gaithersburg, caitlin's area. I got one in columbia.

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Maryland then, I got one and two in martinsburg. What's virginia.

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What's the one in columbia, it's not the one at the mall right, no one by the wegmans beside wegmans.

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Foreign and what is your policy on vertical licenses.

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Is that all useful and all of them we have a vinyl sign in the front, says no vertical ids accepted.

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And any other stores have any minor violations for selling them no um carroll county. I think we're.

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We have two here and then we had one two years ago on frederick brother and that in.

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Columbia, who never had an issue and mark both of my mars, were with no issues, but it's on the.

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Thing that we only had, I think, wanted frederick, but it's been a few years ago, so the violations.

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That you've had in the past, at cinco de mayo in carroll county, that's already established.

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That was before you had a prohibition on vertical licenses or no we've always had it. No vertical ids.

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For this 19 yeah, but we've always had that no verticals id accepted.

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And you know you just avoid a lot of problems when you see a vertical edge, you just say no.

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Sorry and sometimes you know, the servers do get carried away or they get really busy and sometimes.

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They get pressure and say, hey, come on he's over 21 and I don't know, but I don't accept them.

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Good in west virginia do they have vertical license. uh Yes, yeah.

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Until they're 21 or until they're 21., so they haven't, switched the regular license.

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Too correct yeah, so yeah we don't. We don't accept better call at all.

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Just just to be safe, we want to be safe and I think the one that the times are getting.

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When, when they sell to a miner, I think they didn't ask for an id yeah, I think they do.

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So, sir, do you work at the uh the west virginia style? Yeah, I help him. uh You know, that's why he.

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Sleep well because I take all that you know I can't do everything all by myself, but so I've.

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Gotten good help and good friends- and you know my brother and to make me where I'm at because.

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So we it would, I couldn't do it by myself. I helped him go to like all the locations to and whenever.

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Whenever we open a restaurant, we uh bring somebody that is being already with us for for a while.

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And so he knows what to do, and you know we just don't bring anybody that we don't trust. We we.

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Bring somebody that we we know, and we can trust I'm there in the beginning, for like the first.

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Two to three months, and then we just leave the person that you know so between the three of you.

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One of you is pretty much in each one of the restaurants. Every week or every day, every yeah.

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Every day, yeah split it up a little bit or yeah. So I go to one one day and he goes to.

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Another one like we always we kind of rotate yeah but yeah, not not in the same place, but.

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The same day we go to like pretty much all of the locations we tried at least so you act as managers.

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Yes and there's always a manager on the premises, yes manager and an assistant manager right right.

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Which store is the most successful.

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I think westminster and colombia and believe it or not martinsburg's one of them is pretty good.

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They love to you know these guys are partial to west virginia.

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Yeah, so you sure you're not up in the store in vicksburg right now, where they're tearing.

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The bank up, I think, oh no, no, for some reason I felt like that was going to be another.

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Urgent care, I don't know why I think it was an urgent care. I don't know.

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I'm just kidding, though yeah you're right, pnc.

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We definitely we just discuss businesses and he's very knowledgeable when it comes. You know.

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What's coming in what you could do well um to keep your eye open to see what comes in.

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What could potentially affect you or benefit you yeah? I mean just talking to him. I think.

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We came up, you know, talked about doing toy town, because that was one area that.

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Could mean a good restaurant, some locations? I gave him, but he picked. He found this one.

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Well, I guess the next thing will happen instead of having colonel sanders with his goatee or.

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Bob evans, with his western hat you'll, have him with a sombrero.

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Just getting to the limit that I'm like, I need to calm down well he's at well he's at the point.

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He's had three three restaurants in carroll county, so he can't have another one underneath his name.

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The laws like howard county- I can do five there, but I only have one there. Any other questions.

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No anybody want to make a motion or any other comments. Oh I I think we can make a motion.

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On this one, um I have frequented uh mr yoas restaurants many times, and I found that they.

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Do an excellent job, an excellent job of running the establishments and I find him fit and proper.

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To be another holder of another license, so with all that said, I'd like to approve.

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As as long as all the permits have been fulfilled, I'd like to approve.

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His license uh for cinco de mayo in tawny town uh for antonio yoa for the use of cinco de mayo.

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Mr chairman, I agree everything that uh commissioner harmoning said and I will.

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Second, his motion to approve this application. Good, a motion has been properly made and seconded that.

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This commission improved the application for a class b. Beer wine and liquor license.

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The issue to jose antonio as well for the use of cinco de mayo, tony town trading at cinco.

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De mayo, 502 east palmer street suite a tony town there. Any further discussion on emotion.

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Hearing none those in favor signify for saying, aye aye, those opposed no, the eyes have.

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It congratulations. We wish you the best and hope you are as successful in touring them as you are.

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In downtown whistles, thank you very much says that good luck, happy holidays same to you all.

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Okay, we got a few minutes here before the next case.

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So, let's go into some business here. First item agenda is approval of minutes from november 10th.

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Which you all should have received and if not I can assume you have a copy in your package.

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I was absent, so oh that's right. um I read the minutes. uh Mr chairman,.

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And uh I think minutes are fine. I move that they'd be excited.

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Is that okay, mr attorney.

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Under new business.

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I don't know whether this is new or old business. You've got the house floor. It looks to me like.

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It's old and new, and do we have a new floor plan somewhere yeah I've already.

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Been in their site, so yeah I've seen what it looks like. So I don't need to look at this.

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Yeah, but does the floor plan comport with what you've seen it's a real question.

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Oh yeah, that's true. I mean I went in there specifically to look at this. What he did, but.

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As the inspector reviewed the four plans, he did yes, yes, that's it. Oh.

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Is they're not allowed to have seen underneath the deck see what.

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Underneath the other deck is that what this is? Yes,.

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Did they didn't have that before they had parking on youtube.

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Since the end, um since the new rules get, we got rid of temporary outdoor seating.

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um They cannot have that they cannot have that seating underneath there.

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Well, the permanent people said they can't do it.

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If the permit department says they can't do it, what.

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For them to do their job.

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Our authority is, we can deny the the seating area as a new if they're.

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Trying to submit that as a new seating area, we can deny the new seating area.

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Mr inspector, I completely understand what your comments are.

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And also the fact that we can do that, I guess my question is to our attorney. Why doesn't.

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The proper department do their job.

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Sounded like, like hermes told them, they couldn't do it yeah. That's.

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All right, so, let's understand so this is the this is the last page of the submission by mr schaefer.

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Correct- and this is a seating underneath- the deck that uh they've been told.

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By permits is not allowed correct, so we would accept the first four pages, but.

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We would have to not accept this page. Is that that sound right, uh mr attorney yeah.

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I'm looking I'm trying to find the email that says that oh that's wrong!.

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We just tell them that permits office doesn't accept that last page.

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So so everybody knows that that last page isn't accepted.

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Should we, uh mr dixon, you think we should.

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Number these pages, and then in the record say that pages one through four are acceptable. H5 is not.

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I guess that's the best way to go. Yeah obtain my problem. If I number the pages.

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I don't know, that's fine. I put a number of a circle in the top right hand, corner.

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So what you're saying we could approve the plan.

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The last page, except page, five right, we approved pages one through four of their submission.

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As being our requirements, page five does not meet high requirements or the requirements of.

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The program talks permascience, okay, do.

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Do we know if this came from the attorney's office or whether it came from it came from.

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The attorney's office it was, it, was delivered by the attorney clark, shaffer deliberated.

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Are we talking about what the chairman has in his hand, are you oh? Are you talking about the.

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Email, no, the with the drawing the chairman, has, in his hand, came from clark, shaffer's office.

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So we can approve the layout of the restaurant.

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Period not page five, which is outdoors basically right. That's what you've done.

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So we have a motion or any further discussion. Mr chairman, I would make a notion that uh we approve.

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Pages one through four of the submissions of mr schaefer on behalf of his client rafael's.

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uh And that those first four pages do comport with.

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Our understanding of the new layout and our rules, but that page five.

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uh Is up uh cannot be approved uh because we've been advised that.

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Permits does not accept a seating in that area. That's depicted and on page five of the submission.

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I would second, then, most of them probably made and seconded that we.

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Approved the submitted restaurant raphael's restaurant floor plan pages, one through four.

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However, we cannot approve page five as it does not conform to.

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Other county agencies any further discussion on the motion. All those in favor 65 is saying aye.

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Aye closed note so order so they will be notified. You will notify.

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Mr schaefer's office of the findings of this board is that correct, mr attorney.

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Okay, the next item.

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The business is a one-day liquor license application from jeffrey krumron for friends.

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Of cascade lake for a sip and stroll at copper, mine cascade lake on december 18th of this year,.

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This is a new event to new owner new owner new event. um So I'll we'll be there.

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The plan submitted looks good. I just want to see it physically if it's.

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What they submit is what actually going to happen.

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There is one part the um 501 c 3 designation is pending, they put applied for a new 513 c3.

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For that friends of cascade lake and it's in the process of being approved.

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So we can't approve a liquor license uh until that's been approved: uh they're 501, 501, c3.

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It's penn yeah. Our approval would be pending.

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That approved because I don't think law allows us to to do that. I.

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How I mean it has to be a charitable organization.

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There's the same issue with regard to a political fundraiser that came up recently.

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When do they want to hold this december 18th, two weeks, two weekends, two stars from them: did they.

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Give you an idea when the the proof have you have. You talked to them about this. I mean the way the.

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State's working right now it's going to be months, I mean there's nothing, nothing happens quickly.

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With the state 510 501c3 applications, so how are they going to hold it if they don't have the 501.

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uh He did say he has possibly another one that could step in.

H

Another charitable organization to hold it that already has their 501 seeker correct.

F

But I thought being pending, I thought you know applying, would recover.

F

Not my mistake: well, if it had gotten denied, then we'd be.

H

So you're comfortable with the um precautions they're taking.

H

To prevent and it's by plan- yes and I, but I will be there that that afternoon, to check on.

F

We've had many discussions about how to handle it and it seems like they are.

F

Pipe decide brewing is one of our establishments and.

F

The bus stop is very big ice cream place just outside carroll county, um so something.

H

Well, I would like to see uh this go forward if it was.

H

Possible because I'd like to see this enterprise be successful, I just don't know that we can.

H

Approve the application.

H

Under the code for a special one-day license, if they're, not a charity organization,.

H

Am I right about that, or am I mistaken, no you're right.

G

Do you know who the other organization is? I do not.

F

He he said there was another one, but he didn't. I didn't I mean he might have said, but I don't.

G

Remember it would be nice if they had applied with that other organization. Well, and that's.

F

That's my mistake: I was talk, we're talking because this is this- is what this organization trying to.

F

Do is trying to get the damn trying to get the lake back, and this is what um they applied and.

F

Waiting for waiting for response, I mean the way state is working right now, and everything takes.

F

Longer than we thought was going to take, so if my suggestion is, if the concept is good.

F

Can you improve the concept and I'll get another 501c3 for them to approve the paperwork.

F

And there's a 501c3, that's federal right! Yes! So well, maybe I'm maybe I'm saying that.

F

Whatever, whatever that paperwork is, I thought they had to go through the statement. Okay,.

F

Then my I don't know- maybe maybe that's good to stay by. I don't want to see. Three's got a.

F

Well, whoever they apply to they have applied for this time and got that. As of you know, a week ago,.

F

They have not received um so that's the pending submission was, I would not be adverse to.

H

To you discussing us further with them and then contacting chairman, if you have any further information- and you know be up to the chairman, whether we.

H

Having them have a uh emergency session over the phone, uh but that's yeah, it's just a thought.

H

If, if they can find properties, I mean nothing's gone everything's gonna stay.

F

The same, the only thing that's going to change is, I understand yeah. So I mean if you approve the con.

F

My if you prove the concept of it.

F

As a board- and we just change- and I get and have them change the new 51c3 I'll talk to the.

F

Chairman and say, we've got well, this is now it's this and they here's their number and here's the.

F

Designation, it should, you know, be good suppose in the previous situation, the case that we had that.

A

Did not qualify and we said okay, you can do that like we're talking now and instead of applying.

A

With correct information they say: okay, xyz corporation is a 501c3, so we're going to put their.

A

Name on the application: they ain't got nothing to do with that's the same situation. As I said,.

A

Let me turn that down. I don't think we can prove it.

A

The way it stands because they're, not the 501c3, I agree with that and there's.

A

Nothing to say that the federal government is ever going to prove the way they operate.

A

I'll give you an example: our lions club park in finksburg had a 501c3 designation.

A

If somebody didn't file whatever number form, it was.

A

For one year, so we have a new treasure four or five years ago, who's, a retired cpa.

A

The rigma road that she had to go through was almost as bad as applying originally.

A

For the 500 c3 and all it was no different in the corporation, no different, nothing.

A

Other than they never reached, somebody never made the renewal for three or four years so.

A

It's not quick to get a 501c3 or whatever that's worth, but anyway, that's my two cents.

A

I sympathize with them with the situation, but.

B

Legally, as far as this country boy, I don't think we can do it. So my perspective is.

A

Anytime, somebody wants to do something like that.

A

Precedent pretty much somebody will know well, this is what you did such and such.

G

They really should have applied with an organization that already has a pipeline.

F

And that's that's my fault when I advise them not to.

F

And they will reply with a new 501c3.

H

Yeah, I think it comes back to I think, sometimes it's better just to tell them to.

H

Call their attorney rather than to all from okay.

A

What's your pleasure gentlemen, we gotta move on here all right, let's see how we can approve it.

H

I would agree with you.

H

I agree so under the circumstances do we, I guess we should have a formal motion.

A

Since it's a question of eligibility or not.

H

Well, mr chairman, I would move that we deny the request.

H

For reason that the applicant doesn't qualify under our rules and under state law, they are.

H

Not a charitable organization, therefore, we cannot grant this request at this time.

H

And I think mr benford is going to.

H

Ask them to perhaps reapply and then get a future date, maybe do again later on.

G

For a second, I, I think couldn't they reapply with with the organization, has a 501c3 and couldn't the.

G

Chairman just approve it, that's what that was my question: if are you happy with the concept of it.

G

I would be fine if the chairman just approved.

A

Well, we've proved things other things in the past. If that's the desire of the board, I would be fine.

A

I would consider probably disgusting about them if necessary. That would be fine with me. I'm okay, too,.

H

So that's part of the motion. Yes, yes, uh so I add to the motion that.

H

We disapprove of the current application, but if there's a re-application with a qualifying.

H

Charitable organization as the applicant now that he brought to the chairman's attention.

H

That the chairman, uh his discretion, can contact the rest of us and perhaps we can.

H

Approve it in that form I'll accept that the question has been properly made in second, that we.

A

uh Deny the request with extenuating circumstances and that if the proper sponsoring agency.

A

Is found that the chairman upon submission can consider.

A

Proof any further discussion on the motion. All those in favor signal five is saying: aye aye.

A

Opposed, no, you guys have it so ordered. Okay, we gotta get back on the schedule here. We're.

A

A few minutes past, mr dixon, would you please call our case 6358, please all right case 6358.

C

An application for class bw beer wine license to be issued to keith watson for the use of g.

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Watson, 596 llc trading is dandelion bakery bistro 7556 main street sykesville maryland.

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21784 in election district 5. in the file this matter, we have the following documents:.

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A december 3rd 2021 letter from connie schnook's revenue specialist, one.

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Two board of licensed commissioners.

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Hey november 26 2021 notice, a public hearing for this case.

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November 19 2021 notice the public hearing for this case.

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A comment memo uh from lisa staley health department, with the box check.

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The above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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I'm sorry this is from the collections office, belinda, gasel collections office.

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Supervisor the above breakfast establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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Then there's a comment: memo from lisa stanley, the health department, this establishment does.

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Not meet the requirements of this office, see the attached memorandum, lisa staley assistant director.

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There's a comment memo from the town of sykesville planning and zoning, the.

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Above reference, establishment does meet the requirements of this office from the town manager.

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Then there is an application and the application includes character. References.

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Criminal background information.

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Corporate information, sdat information, a menu workers, comp insurance, a lease, a floor plan.

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A plot plan workers, comp insurance, licensed establishment and a plot plan. I would ask that the.

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An sdat information I would ask that the file be entered in the evidence.

A

We'll accept that in the evidence this time I would ask all those who intend.

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To testify, in this case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

D

Do you swear or firm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to.

D

Give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth I do I do thank you- may be seated.

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As each person is called to testify before you testify, please state your full name address.

A

And spell your last name for the record, please so, with that keith watson, w-a-t-s-o-n.

K

509 tanglewood drive sykesville maryland 21784.

A

Mr watson, what would you like to tell us why, if hands and butts um this application,.

K

Well, we extended on a dining room onto the bakery and we're going to start serving some.

K

Tapas and foods and whatnot out of the dining room, we're going to be open wednesday, thursday friday.

K

And saturday breakfast lunch and dinner, sundays brunch and lunch be closed, mondays and tuesdays.

K

And we would like to offer uh beer and wine selection.

K

Along with that, um trying to uh further meet the needs of the food zone in sykesville maryland.

A

What are, what are your hours? ah We're gonna be open. uh The bakery opens at eight o'clock in the.

K

Morning, which will be going into the dining room also um and then we'll be open until.

K

Eight o'clock on wednesdays and thursdays and uh ten o'clock, fridays and saturdays.

K

Sundays, eight o'clock until uh four or five.

A

Do you do you have any experience with alcohol sales? Yes, I own a. I did own a restaurant just.

K

Sold it in glenelg maryland called danny line. Bakery bistro was open five years and I was the.

K

Holder of the liquor license there no violations and are you currently the holder of any other.

A

Liquor license no, I'm off of that liquor license. It was transferred to the other owners and how.

A

Long have you been in the restaurant or bakery business? I started cooking in 1976 in colorado,.

K

um Yeah I've been in that that's, the only thing he's ever done was part owner vw bex for.

K

For eight years also crab shandy for 20 years.

A

Now, you're right up the street right up the street. Yes, sir,.

H

Competing well.

K

Hopefully that just brings more people down. That's right, you know, that's! That's the.

K

Point sex phil in the past. I don't know how many years kind of surprises me it's. I used to go to.

A

Southern states, you didn't see anybody yeah, it's really grown yeah. It don't matter when you what.

A

Day I go down there. There's people on the street might only be three or four, but at least there's.

A

People on the street, and sometimes when I get down there, it's an off day or all matters of.

H

So I wrote down pete watts and his keith. It's keith, yes, k-e-I-t-h.

K

Same as mr keith here and the the bakery portion, I was just in there recently.

H

It's kind of a small as you walk in the door. It's on the right there, it's yeah it's smaller.

H

Thing that stays the same yeah and the dining area would be to the left right. The old norwood's ice.

K

Cream, yes, and how far along, are you in renovations, with that? um We are almost completely done with.

K

That the health department is scheduled for next tuesday for tuesday and then hopefully we could.

K

Pass all of that and we're ready to go. Everything else is fine um and been approved, but you're in.

A

Operation now, as goes uh she's open uh wednesday through sunday, eight to three eight to four.

H

Do you have a policy on vertical licenses? Oh yes, absolutely none! We do not take vertical license.

K

And um we're gonna check ids the whole bit I'll get everybody in the staff through the tips test.

K

Are you tips? Yes, I am okay and my daughter also okay, so you would have all staff tips are tam.

H

Certified yes, so what's your card policy going to do it's going to you call card all or you're.

G

Going to have an age that you uh well, I believe that uh the best way to do it is to um it is.

K

Descartes everybody, but, however, um I think as long as you tell everybody as long as they look as old.

K

As your parents, we'll we'll just go with that, but um anybody younger at all, we have to check.

K

And then um we aren't really offering any spirits and stuff just the bear and.

K

Wine, so I'm hoping that it makes our clientele more mature anyway,.

K

Which I tend to draw because I was like I said it was the chef at crab shanty for 20 years.

K

So I've kind of a falling for that. How many employees do you intend uh four to five yeah.

K

It's really hard to find employees, so that's one of the reasons to go down.

A

What kind of what kind of deer? Well, we can offer um uh three or so domestic and.

K

Then the rest of it will be, um you know the the crazy stuff, the ipas.

G

Are you planning on selling just local local brewed beers? I would like to do as local as.

K

Possible, yes, the 1623, um that's right behind my house. Get them involved! Mike's real nice.

K

And then the wine I'm dealing with uh pretty much one lady, it's to be mostly french, italian.

K

Trying to bring in a kind of an upper-class clientele- I don't really want to be a bar, but.

K

You can't really have a restaurant if you don't have a beer and wine license, because they'll.

K

Just go somewhere else, you're, the sole owner of the llc. Oh no, my daughter also we're 50 50.

K

Okay, so are you what's that on your thing, you were 49, so are you 49 or 50? It's 50, 50., okay,.

K

Yeah, did you finish building the bar unless, uh yes,.

H

That's gabriel watson, yes! Well! Yes, because gabrielle.

A

Gabrielle you might as well come up here, sit next to your father. There and the other two can come.

A

To the other table, if you want, if you intend to testify so you'll, be right there, the microphones.

A

Won't bite you just pull them up to you and don't forget the name and address when you testify so.

A

We asked you questions so gabrielle you're, going to be the hostess with the mostest. Yes,.

A

Who's- the banker me who is, I am, do you still have gluten-free or.

H

Do you get red? No, I still do a lot of gluten-free. I am gluten-free so.

A

Gabriel, just state your name and address for the record, gabriel watson.

J

uh W-A-T-S-O-N and it's also 509 tanglewood drive sykesville maryland 21784. Thank you.

A

Any essence of time just go down the table: karen watson, w-a-t-s-o-n at 67-38, avenue, eldersburg 21784,.

A

Sir, oh I'm sorry, fred, johnson's, goss age, 7568, main street sex, firm.

A

I think we should just put him on the record: let's testify to any event that happens in the psyche.

A

Plus the fact that he owns half of it so.

L

We're trying to make it as busy as it used to be.

A

Question, gentlemen,.

H

Expected time of opening um I'm up nope for the first of the year, um but.

K

Probably right after january, first as soon as possible- and um I didn't.

H

Count the seats: what is the seating in the dining area? uh It's going to be about 35.

K

H

And you no longer own the dandelion in howard county, no sold that.

H

How often do you think you'll be at this dandelion? Oh well, that's why I'm going to being off mondays.

K

And tuesdays, I'm hoping that since I'm old as dirt that uh I can take a little bit more time off.

K

With this being a a smaller venture, so probably seven days a week.

G

In howard, county for five years, five years, yeah, that's the reason you sold that one.

K

um Well, it's just the employees are really really hard to get right now.

K

It's it's 75 seats. I was there seven days a week, 16 hours a day, keeping it running, and these people.

K

Came in and offered me money so um decided to go up here with a little smaller venture.

K

A little cheaper rent, that's understandable, yeah, wait till you get old. Come there.

H

Mr gossage, are you happy with the renovations uh on the premises.

H

Yeah there was really basically no renovations. The only thing we did was we went ahead and painted.

L

And refinished normal floors, but it was it's a fairly new building. It's where the old.

L

Pharmacy was, and then we redid the building, which was seven years ago. It was totally redone.

L

Top bottom and there's a kitchen, oh, the kitchen is yeah in it's part. It's part of.

H

The bakery part of the bakery- yes, so it's the existing kitchen on the bakery side.

L

And then this other the side that they're taking over now will just be for dining.

L

Dining, that's it yeah! So, mr, what watson you'll be the only one on the license. Is that correct? Yes,.

A

Here we are, do you think your father's, a fitting person fit and proper person to hold a beer in.

A

One license: yes, you tell us anything bad about him. Now's your chance. You can't do anything about it.

J

J

It gets in my way a little bit, but that's about it. Yeah we're gonna.

H

How's the bakery doing pretty good busy when I was in there yeah we uh closed an extra.

J

Day just for the holidays, so I can have a little bit more time to prep, because it's.

J

Basically, just me so are having trouble get with getting employees for the bakery.

J

Not really it's just I've never really been looking. I tend to do all the baking myself and.

J

Then we do have some people starting to work up front a little bit, but that's going to be.

J

What's hopefully, even better about getting the dining room is now I can have somebody running.

J

The front counter for me, so I have even more time to spend in the kitchen baking. So that's just kind.

J

Of what I'm hoping for, okay- um and I I know you mentioned breakfast- is that breakfast every day.

H

You're, open or just certain things should be every day that I'm open I'll probably be doing.

J

More of the breakfast stuff on the weekdays and then he'll be doing the brunch items.

J

They're more complicated for me on saturdays and sundays, so 8 a.m, breakfast yep you're available.

A

Sausage, egg and cheese.

K

At what time can we serve alcohol in carroll, county 8 a.m?.

F

We actually have a new packet coming your way that will answer uh question about times right.

H

In front of you, okay, thank you. Thank you that our inspector has prepared it's very good. Okay,.

F

We're still in the process of finalizing input, yeah, okay,.

H

Any other questions are you ever committed watson's or mr gossage. Another thing I'd like.

L

To say is we're we're always looking to bring sykesville up to another level. This past friday.

L

It was unbelievable, so a friend of mine came to sykesville in 1954. His parents had the television.

L

Sales and repair shop right throughout the corner and he's always telling me as a kid how crowded it.

L

Was so I took a couple pictures in town and I said jeff is it like this? He said, oh no, on the best.

L

Friday was never this credit, so scott beck and I are very good personal friends and we both made.

L

It a point that this real estate that we control we will not bring another business in that's going.

L

To hurt the existing business, it's just not fair. A guy from frederick tried to bring a coffee shop.

L

We already got a coffee shop. Well, I'm going to sell tea. We already got a t-shirt, so it's hard to.

L

Be able to fit these pieces together, but I think this is going to be an excellent fit family run.

L

More experience than as you all can imagine crab shanny following beck's great chef and.

L

It's not going to be another bar scene, because I don't think we really need that with the market.

L

Tower or the sex field station we'd love the vex. It's going to be more of go in and have a.

B

Little bit fine, dining and because we do miss some of the fine dining we have their baldness.

L

So this is kind of replacing the baldness. What we're trying to do um does bex have breakfast no.

B

Would you be the only breakfast, then you everyone, because the french french twist.

L

I don't think, but you can't go in and get an egg and cheese sandwich or a sausage.

L

Is it big belly uh big belly buddy, I'm just thinking.

H

I guess I guess the police do roam around up there, a little bit at that.

F

Point we talk about food place to eat. I know where food place to eat.

A

What uh mr guy, what's in the corner, right across from your office or your wife's office,.

A

Used to have ice cream shop stuff, something else in there I haven't been in there. That's why.

A

You're thinking when you come, if you come out of bex we're right across the street.

L

So you, if you're walking in yeah but your county corner.

L

It's tri-sport junction. It's attached to our it's in our building. It's called tri-sport junction.

L

It's a running store; no, no! No! No! No! No! No! No! When you come down the hill, when you come down the hill.

H

At the stop sign right: okay, yeah, that's that's some contrarian! That is a gift store um home.

L

Furnishings that you can order knickknacks, that's a very good job. I was just curious. I haven't been.

L

In it for five years, and that's some of the things we're doing like you know, we wanted to bring.

L

Somebody going to bring a candle shop there, but we already have a candle. They have unwanted candles.

L

So we've got to walk that fine line because you don't want two candle shops in town.

L

So we're always trying to find something now, we're looking for maybe a pet store would be good. A lot.

L

Of dog owners dog lovers like to get somebody to sell a military, memorabilia, upscale popcorn.

L

We're just always thinking what can we do to take sexual to the next level and not step on twos.

A

Real electric still up on the hill, yes, they are yep skip still, there do a job for us as we speak.

A

Any other questions.

A

Any further discussion.

H

Further discussion, would anybody like to make a motion I'm prepared to make a motion.

H

Mr chairman, good, uh I would move that uh in case 6358, which is an application for a class.

H

Bw, your wine license to be issued to keith watson for the use of g watson, 596 llc.

H

Trading against dandelion, bakery and bistro that that application be approved uh pending.

H

The all proper permits and health department approvals, obviously.

H

Got a second thought must have been properly made in second, that this board approved an application.

A

For a class bw, beer and wine license to be issued to keith watson for the use of.

A

G watson, 596 llc trading as dandelion bakery, bistro 7556 main street sykesville maryland.

A

217 84 in election district five. Is there any further discussion on the motion hearing none.

A

Of those in favor signify is saying: aye aye opposed no, so ordered. Congratulations. Gentlemen.

A

Best wishes and good luck. Thank you. Thank you and you all have a merry christmas.

A

But this time we're going to take a five minute break.

A

Okay, we're back in session. Let's go back to the official business agenda. The next item.

A

Is a request from bill wally to continue outdoor dining at bistro 91 in downtown vicksburg.

F

You got temporary approval now when you ask them for permanent approval for those of you who are.

A

Unfamiliar with the establishment, it's outdoor, but technically it's completely covered how's.

A

It covered bistro 91 in finksburg, it's covered by the roof on the shopping center. It's an alleyway.

A

As you come in from the back of the parking lot.

A

And the front of it is fully covered.

A

It's a nice arrangement, it's in facebook, so is it? Is it heated? Is there no? No, it's not.

A

It's not, I don't know.

A

Technically, probably nobody but every now and then on a good day like it is now. It's.

A

It's proper right, you have to you, have to view it to understand what I'm saying it's outdoors.

A

But it's undercover under permanent cover. It's part of the shopping center, it's more like in an.

G

Alleyway right outside you don't get wet you just trees, yeah yeah.

H

It's like a covered porch out there in front of the shopping center. I don't think he's going to.

F

Use it during the winter time yeah. No, if you ask the girls down there, they you know.

F

It's just an option that he wants to be permanent for the three.

A

You know nine months of the year back because.

A

What is it saturday or sunday when it's 71 degrees.

A

You know somebody, I don't know those things happen and, and I don't have any objections.

A

Okay, I have no objection. Do you want to skip to the last item since it's similar.

A

Well, we're gonna yeah, I guess so it won't take long. The question with noxie valley, vfw.

A

Post 69, 18 and harney to continue to allow outdoor seat keith you'll have to explain that because.

A

I haven't been up there for years behind the building they put a carport when there's metal.

F

Roof open side carports, it's not a tent and it's fenced off. Then, when you use it during the.

F

During the summertime spring summer, time fall and early fall and you walk out from the entrance and.

F

Walk, it's all fenced in, so you walk out from the entrance into the area and we have a picture yeah.

G

Okay, so basically they say: they're gonna use it in the summer time right.

H

I have no objection, I don't either. I have no objection. Okay,.

A

A

Sir, we'll go back up to report from keith bend for an alcohol sales deliveries which you all have a.

A

uh Copy of iaf heath, just out of curiosity, if he would, uh as you know, we only had three applicants.

A

If I remember correctly apply for delivery sales of which two of them have backed out.

A

To see what the success rate has been and.

A

You can take it from there; um only one of them is doing it. Solano's down. Ellsberg is the only.

F

One who has been doing delivery- you have a copy of it in front of you, um lasso texas,.

F

They messed up when they filled out the form they they felt. They didn't realize they were.

F

Asking for delivery: they don't want delivery and senpai defense. The festa down in mount airy.

F

Was going to probably start doing delivery in january after the.

F

Holiday season, but she's still not 100 sure when, when you.

A

When you got this correct, is it already filled out when you got it yep, so you just.

A

Made copies of it, I just took a picture of it and that's that's a picture from my phone.

F

Of the form did bruce, give it to you. uh No, he was, he was not there. One of the employees.

F

They didn't know where it was, she went and got it directly. She didn't have to call.

F

Other places had a call to find out where it was and what's going on.

A

Did they say why the woman was scratched off? I didn't ask I didn't ask about that. I missed.

F

That I missed, I didn't I missed it. It didn't look like it's a very good revenue generator, no.

A

The second entry there's no date or time.

F

Yeah and then nice.

A

Three of them is the same thing to the same person.

A

Well, the second one is not the same person, but it's it's. The person who made the delivery.

A

A

In my mind, there are several questions on this. Three of them are the same address.

A

Three of them are the same, address they're the same people. Well, one is.

G

Kimberly somebody has the same address and it's the same delivery driver to the same customer.

F

All right, I can follow with bruce learners. If you have any questions want me to.

F

I would follow up and tell him he's completely fill out. The report.

F

But I can ask if there's any questions the board has, I can ask them so the deliver delivery driver.

H

That's named they're supposed to be, I think, under our rules, they're supposed to be certified and 21.

H

Right but they're not putting their last name down, so we don't know who they are.

H

So we can't compare well, we can, I mean yes, they're, not the full name, but we should have.

F

It I can compare it to the record. We have one yeah, the last name. Okay, uh I I think.

H

You know if, if, if you wanted to check this to see that chuck b.

H

Was certified, you would go to the application and you would see charles.

H

Benifer right, but you wouldn't know that that's the same guy, who did the delivery.

H

Correct so I mean I, I suspect that uh that bruce is on top of this, but still I just that's just.

H

We'll clean it up more, if we had the last name, okay, I would uh it would help you to to.

H

Confirm that they are 21 and they are certified per the rule, I mean the second from the last.

G

Name is scratched out. You can't even read that.

H

Well, it was jen, elliott was name that was scratched out yeah, so why it was, but it.

H

Was delivered to jen elliott right? Why did you scratch yourself out yeah? It's just.

A

Theresa b is scratched out on the third line and was delivered to theresa b.

F

Well, if you look at the fourth line, they scratched it out.

F

But chuck b is the one. Everything else is the same.

F

So it looks like it was, they felt that wrong and then they just scratched it out to make.

F

It look like chuck b is the one who delivered. uh That's what you're saying. Oh, I see yeah. Why.

A

This is supposed to be filled out at the delivery right. I I don't don't know I mean it does not say that.

F

It could be filled out after it comes back, it does not, it could be filled out when it came.

A

Back but the person who delivers it is supposed to fill it out correct. So what I'm saying is.

A

Why would it be necessary to scratch it out if the person who delivers it is supposed to.

A

Fill it out the fifth line down when you look at this keith look just look at the writing.

A

I don't think this was filled out when it was.

G

This was not filled out, we don't even know who received the alcohol in the figure yeah.

F

I see that that's really bad.

F

I mean: do you want me to have bruce come in next next month and.

F

Explain well, this is not how you fill these things out. This is crazy.

G

Who lives at fernway.

F

What was that, I said who lives at fernwood? We.

G

Don't even know who received the alcohol today. Yes, I yes.

H

Could you just show these problems to bruce and ask him to.

H

Send us a letter or an email explaining the problem rather than having come in.

H

I mean that's just a suggestion, mr chairman. I don't want to.

H

Put it out there as a decision board.

A

Well, I I think it's a good question, but.

A

I think I I don't like the whole report, the way it's filled out period, I don't think it can be.

G

Explained by communication, I think I'd like to ask him a few questions. I mean if you're.

G

Going to have the privilege of having delivery, then these things should be filled out properly.

G

I'm I'm not convinced that the same person didn't fill this whole. Damn thing.

A

You get marty marty johnson in here. You start looking at the nines.

A

Under the date I mean it's different, different hair right for four or.

F

Five of these they're, not all the same person, different people filled this out.

A

Okay, one two: three: you only have three people, three individuals on this sheet.

A

Okay, chucky b chubby b, whoever kim is you don't know and jenelle.

H

If you look at chuck b, four lines down and chuck b at the very end on the address.

H

Chuck b is is the delivery person, but that's two different handwritings.

H

The address was put in by two different people. It looks that way.

H

Like if you look at the numbers and the addresses it's different well, I guess, and I would I agree.

F

With on the fifth line, too chuck b, someone else was different and filled out the rest of that.

A

I'd like I'd like to see him berlin, why would chuck b? Why would chuck b leave out the name of.

G

The person he delivered it to how do we know? How do we know that person is, is 21 or over.

G

To me, that's the most important thing is who who got the alcohol.

F

Well, I think we know also I'd like to double check, make sure these.

F

Compared to the list we have on file for who's allowed to deliver.

G

I mean I think he should come in and give us some explanation to it. Okay,.

A

You may not agree, you agree, I'm neutral on it, but uh but I think both of you make good points.

E

I'd like for you to.

E

Schedule him for the next baby, okay, to explain this and his whole procedure.

A

Any other questions on apple all alcohol, delivery, sales.

A

A

Keith has prepared, along with, I guess, miss joe and.

A

Everybody else a very fancy packet, a lot of work put into it a lot of effort, and it looks good.

A

And as if we want to go through this briefly, I don't know what the rest of.

A

The schedule is, I just have about two or three comments. Number one is on page three.

A

It says sunday 8 a.m, to 1 p.m. Is that a correct date, I didn't know anything shut down at 1pm.

F

No, that's a wrong! That's typo! Okay, so we need that right.

A

Now another thing and you've moved it up. I think the mission statement's on page five.

A

I my preference, is that the mission state be at the very beginning. I agree with that.

B

Very beginning of page five or very beginning on page three.

A

Now it should be the very beginning of the first page of the first of the packet of the packet yeah.

F

I could put it, I could probably put stick it on on the welcome packet. We could make the.

F

Carroll county seal, smaller, I could put the machine in there.

F

Because I don't think it's going to fit into page two, I don't have space for it. On page two.

A

Well, wherever you can fit it, I think it should be very easy to.

D

Just make it bigger and have it on a page by itself.

A

And this next question I have is simply a question.

A

Should all these exhibits be to the front, or should they be to the back.

A

After the rules and regulations and that's only a dumb question, I'm asking.

F

Mean like the signage, the under 21. yeah yeah. um Basically I like in the back, because that people.

F

Can print it out and also I was gonna, make a line on on page two saying anybody who wishes.

F

More signage can contact me and I'll drop off more copies of signage.

H

I agree with that that this stuff, the signage, can be like an appendix, perhaps type of thing,.

H

Because the uh page 15, that's the policy event underage sales.

H

And with the state's attorney that could be further up, if you can move the uh signage back.

H

To uh just to express the importance: okay, lawson, you asked me I'm sorry I was you want.

F

H

Moves to the back like an appendix okay! That's why I had it yeah, okay, that was well.

H

F

All right, so you what you're talking.

F

Page six: seven, eight, nine and eleven ten eleven 12 13.

F

Put those put those toward the back more important stuff. You know like the state's.

H

Attorney stuff will perceive that and the uh and also I know you mentioned earlier, but.

H

The definition of the classes yeah and along with the hours of sale, would be, I think, a.

H

Good idea, where do you want that exactly? Well, it's mentioned um page three hours of.

H

Sale and class a and you have fast pc. I would like to me. I would like a definition there.

H

You know well nice we could put. We should have been put down page four, that could.

F

There's enough room on page four, I could put okay yeah. That's fine!.

A

Keith don't forget, then, when you do that you gotta adjust this.

A

First page with: what's what oh, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

H

And you caught the quarterly food sale, yeah.

F

Yeah tim tim called that one yeah I get crap for tim's. One thing: three chairs for two.

F

Yeah the color packet everything's in color that should be type except that one typo.

F

F

Did a good job.

A

Gentlemen, it's done, they they've done a great job when you consider that yellow book that we got.

A

How many times did we change yellow before we got the file, and now this is going to go into a folder.

F

That's half done have packets and paper that we can put the yellow book in that with it. Yeah good.

F

I mean unless we do a spiral.

H

You're, the cheapest.

H

I don't want to cramp our uh our food budget, our food budget. That's a that's, definitely different.

F

Line item that will not work, I don't know you know I kind of like aspire ideas too.

D

Sure serious things it's going to be, you could still do spiral and still put it in pockets.

B

Everybody gets one, I don't think everybody should get. I think I think yes, everybody.

H

Should have been here every licensee, so you're one box of 25, even if they're old, licensees.

H

The existing licensees have a copy of this directly right. Several copies.

A

If you get those spiral things anything I'm thinking of you, you can't add to that.

A

I'm not I'm not totally opposed to them. I'm just saying if, if you need anything to add to it, but how often.

A

You know that that book there we change that periodically, but.

A

Whichever way you can do it as far as I'm concerned, whichever way you can do it.

A

The most economical to get the job done.

A

And not be flimsy about it. Yeah I'll talk to production services and see what they suggest.

F

Because they they actually came up, they said they suggested the spiral.

F

Then I like the idea of the packets I can put stuff in the business card.

F

The rule book, if we, but we already gave everyone everybody, we have a lot of rulebooks so.

A

Okay, any other.

F

But I'll have a fi once we finish to finalize.

F

The pages I'll have a final one before you all can look at again before we do production.

B

Okay, any other comments or questions on the package.

A

Without saying your job.

F

I mean this came and this idea came from a comment at the retail training seminar.

F

This is something we probably should have been doing all along, but let's we're over the dam. Okay,.

A

Miss joe do we have anything else that didn't get on this sheet that, according to this, our next meeting is on january, the 12th in 2022., now pete.

M

I always like to report our intentions in annapolis and we have no legislation locally.

M

Going in um the elks club there, the statewide organization is going to put the bill in for the.

M

Gaming machines with the lottery again we'll see where that goes since the casinos fight at.

M

All time, but feeling a little bit better about it, we got a 50 50 chance. This time.

M

Last five years it was zero chance, so um the class, a deliveries they're they all.

M

Operate the same, you didn't change any of that right. No, I don't think so. Okay,.

H

um No one's allowed to deliver class a and kill count. Why not? We don't have the board has a.

M

Yeah, if you I thought, if you had it, you approve it. You're. True you've got.

M

To rule with everybody right allowed to appreciate, they're allowed to approve it.

M

Right but I mean, if somebody wants to do it, they apply yeah. They asked you and some of these stores.

M

I've been out in the 17 years and I I had approval to deliver.

M

So that that's been around for a long time we just approved, did we just approve one of.

A

Darren's stores, no, no, we uh he denied it. We uh remember the guy came in with.

H

An app he wanted to have an app yes, no, no! No! I'm talking about darren. I know I know.

A

That guy we disapproved, we disapproved it because we just approved him. We did not approve.

M

Why would you disapprove? I mean what was the reason why it was something something about it.

H

I thought we did not approve it.

H

Yeah, it wasn't last month before yeah it was a month before. Do you think we approved the job.

H

Did you recall us approving in fact.

D

Before long before, these been at mount airy, that was asked for delivery, and you guys.

D

Didn't agree, there was a reason somebody was already approved for that keith. Who was it.

F

Only one I knew was approved was um stubbies on on down 140 in finksburg. That's the only place.

F

That I know was approved for delivery. Well, maybe we better request. If anybody wants it.

M

I mean you said you actually had pep darren and somebody else came in and they returned harry.

F

Lickers came in, it was turned into all right. So what and under what reason, why would you this is.

M

A convenience to the customers- and it's not I mean most retailers don't want to do it, but here's what.

A

The minutes show mr barnes also spoke to the board about possible delivery associated with a class.

A

A license it was agreed that those requests would have to come to the board for approval.

B

Right so, but I'm saying a lot of stories he said he would be back right, but a lot. A lot of stores.

M

Are maybe operating under the assumption that they've had approval from 20 years ago or 15.

M

Years ago, when you guys weren't the board, do you need to you? Do you need to get approval every year.

M

Or you might have to make that clear to people, I would think their stores out there delivered.

M

I'd be surprised, if I don't know of, but I'd be surprised if they weren't. Okay, I'm not not on a.

M

Regular basis, but if somebody, if somebody's got a wedding, you know that was darren's pitch well.

A

Yeah, that's their anniversary or something yeah, something big. It's a convenience, a 50 delivery.

M

Yeah but it's a convenience to the customer. It's not it's not like a sales gimmick. It's.

M

It's just something that you do because you know they're giving you a big order to begin with.

M

You know that guy, I don't know, I think you got to look me look at that. I mean if you're turning.

M

Down deliver if somebody's willing to go and do the hoops of you know somebody 21, you know.

B

Whatever other requirements you have and the customer wants, it delivered.

M

I mean a lot of these stewards. I know darren would work couple caterers.

M

That don't have a catering license. You know he delivers. You know to a spot for the customer.

M

Through the caterer you know so I I don't know it's, it needs to be revisited. I think I don't. I.

M

Don't understand why you would make it hard to give customer service. I don't understand that.

H

Something was so much a matter of making it hard to get customer services as trying to.

H

Keep the availability of alcohol down, someone came in and said um I want to.

H

Use an app I want to start delivering what is called dribbly or tripping right right.

H

We turn that down because we didn't want liquor stores to be using apps.

N

Yeah, which kind of sets a precedent? Well, if we allow this liquor store to do it for weddings.

H

Then that can be turned down. Liquor store wants to use an app yeah. That's two different things.

H

Yeah not legally, I'm not I'm not big on the apps either they're big there's. That's.

M

Nationwide yeah it's coming in frederick county yeah, well, they're, yeah, baltimore,.

M

Baltimore's baltimore city baltimore county. I think both do it yeah. So um I don't know I just.

M

Maybe it's just more definition of what they what they can do and what they can't do. You know.

M

That uh I would be I would, I would have requested the board, do a study on that and.

G

I don't know really, I don't even know if there's a need for that, I mean first of all, they can't find.

G

People to work in the stores in the first place wow and secondly, unless you have a huge order.

M

Well, we get those I mean, you know seriously. If somebody has a wedding for 300 people at the.

M

Writing club you've got a big order, but if you want to well, it's not different, if you, if you.

H

Can't deliver, but the caterer can take care of that right. Right. Kate are good. Well, look.

M

Obviously, none of you have been in the catering business on the day of an event, I mean that that's.

M

It's a service that the liquor store can provide yeah can the can the caterer do that? Yes,.

M

But some caterers don't have an alcohol license. Remember they everybody they all don't have.

M

It that someone just do the food they want to afford. They don't want to fool with the alcohol.

M

You know so I don't know I just. I think there should be a provision.

M

um And it's more than just weddings, I mean if somebody has something at the backyard.

M

In their house, some people have weddings outdoor in the summertime, and you guys said hey once you.

M

Come set up the keg of beer, you know they they don't they're, not most of them aren't.

M

Yeah they don't, they don't think they're capable they could do it, but I mean you.

M

Have to have some expertise, setting up a cake, a beer to do it the right way. So I.

M

I would I would still request you guys, look at that. Make me make whatever definition you want.

M

But I mean so: you think that there are class a uh not many, but some. Let me finish: yeah.

H

You think there are class a licensees in carroll county that are making delivery.

M

I don't know for sure, but I would think so. Okay, all right, I I just think so I don't know.

B

I mean I did when I I was in business 17 years ago. I did a lot of deliveries.

M

I mean not not uh two bottles of this or two bottles of that, but back in those days you know.

M

A lot of the catering spots didn't have licenses either. You know they had they. Maybe you know.

M

They just have it me delivered to the riding club or so then you're not accommodating your.

G

Your customer, then, if they would call you up and say I want a six pack of beers, bring it over.

G

A wedding, uh you know enough for a wedding, so I mean there is a big difference: yeah, but look.

M

As a business person, I didn't deliver small orders because it wasn't profitable right, but.

M

If so, if somebody got a bigger using us of not being customer friendly, but now but you're only.

H

Customer friendly, when you get a big profit now well, look you want to be customer friendly, but you.

M

You're trying to help people do something that that's out of the ordinary and that's delivering.

M

A large I mean, if you're, if somebody has a wedding with three kegs of beer, they weigh.

M

160 pounds now who's going to come in here and go and deliver now. Some people can do that. They do.

M

It all the time they get their own beer and they have a hand pump or whatever they set it up in a.

M

Barrel of ice and they're good, but there are a lot of people that don't.

M

I mean I that's, I I'm actually shocked that did you that that uh this is even a point of.

M

Discussion really, I know because I've never heard anyone complain well, because I think I.

M

Think I think if people have a lot of weddings and people's backyards and things like that, no one's.

H

Ever brought this up to them, yeah so yeah yeah. Well, maybe they were delivered and you don't know.

M

That's all I'm saying I like to say: I've been out of business a long time, but, okay, so, okay, we can.

A

Discuss this all day, we'll take it on advice. What else you got to say about that? Is there anything.

M

That's pretty much it. I just want to make sure that you knew that we weren't putting.

M

Any legislation in and- um and I said you guys have a good christmas and I'm done.

A

Well quickly, we've got a question for you. Okay, we received a letter from some outfit.

A

Wanting beer and wine in grocery stores, that's good it'll, be up again, it'll, be it'll, be up again.

M

So we well the letter said who the senator and the delegate was going to introduce the bill.

M

Yeah, well, that's the that's the uh lobbying effort from who who signed the letter.

M

They they have a group that uh maryland alcohol choice coalition.

H

Marylanders for better beer and wine man, that's.

M

He is a pirate hand from the from the big, uh the grocery stores and.

M

He he goes to the states and he about last time. He was here for better. He had the the.

M

Wine delivery thing here a couple years ago, what you're saying he's not even from maryland? Oh no, no.

M

No, no, he claims well, he might be from maryland, but he gets hired. He gets hired out. He goes around the.

M

Country he just doesn't work in maryland. He claims it's going to create 760 new jobs, yeah. That's.

M

Yeah, it's going to eliminate a thousand if, if, if it goes, you'll have a lot less class a's to worry.

M

About, let's put it that way actually! Well, you know that's what we do. That's our biggest thing. We do.

M

We we try to prevent that from happening, but if the bill goes through, it's not going to be just.

M

Grocery stores it's going to be convenience stores, dj's, walmart's, bj that'll, be everybody it won't. It.

M

Won't be limited, it won't be just grocery stores, so they they go around. They tell everybody goes.

M

Great, but it's it's a lot more than that and I I would be very concerned if it was convenience.

M

Stores myself, but that's uh not that it'd be a lot, but that's that's the well. It's gotta be.

A

Six thousand square feet: I'm glad that this and that you gotta carry six different kinds of man.

M

Legislature, isn't gonna do that if the legislature passes it, durga is gonna open it up.

M

And they have big push um in prince george's and baltimore city.

M

They want individual stores because of food, they call them food, deserts and, and the grocery stores.

M

Are using that as a wedge to they want liquor to, I said: well, that's good! You want liquor and.

M

And food that I guess that goes together, because now you was in the business, you can tell us.

A

They only wanted for beer and wine. What's the biggest profit beer, wine or liquor.

M

Well, they all have different things. Beer is profitable because it's got.

M

A high volume wine's profitable because it's got a higher markup.

M

Liquor is profitable because it's more expensive, so I guess if, if you had to pick.

M

When I was in business and as much wine as I sold, I still did 45 beer, so beer is still the king. It's.

M

Not as dominant as it used to be, but when I started in business, the spirits was like.

M

Like parts of my later years, spirits was only 10 of my sales. It was it was. It was like.

M

40 45 percent beer, 45 percent wine and 10 spirits. Wine was more than spirits. Where was your story.

M

Cranberry uh last one I had was next to the giant various doors yeah between him, his father.

A

And his brother, they had them all over here. Let's start in 1968 at the house of liquors with darren.

M

Fearing boards house of liquors, that was the first story house licorice dad right, yeah, yeah.

M

Yeah we sold it to darren's dad, so that was my brother. My brother's store.

M

So yeah, so I've been around a long time. I grew up in the business. Okay, anything else merry christmas.

A

What's the schedule from now on for today.

A

This meeting is adjourned until january. What the 12th.

A