Carroll County, MD Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission, 29 Oct 2020

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From YouTube: Carroll County Comprehensive Rezoning Listening Session For October 29, 2020

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Good evening, everyone good evening to my colleagues and staff.

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We're here this evening for uh the first of our listening sessions uh before we get into.

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uh The public hearing in december and uh gives us an idea to hear from the public on the.

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The comprehensive uh rezoning uh adventure that we're on here so uh we've been working.

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On the carroll county, master plan and freedom, community plan implementation.

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Since about 2018 by updating the zoning code and the zoning maps, so tonight we are here.

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For your board of county commissioners to listen to our citizens regarding the next phase of this.

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Effort as it pertains to the commercial, industrial and employment campus by request, mapping.

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With that, I'm going to hand it over to my colleague, commissioner rusteen, who is our liaison.

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To the planning and zoning commission just to give a brief background, uh mr roskin good evening.

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Sounds good and good evening, um jim, if you want to uh you, know hide yourself. I don't know if you.

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Want to stay on or not um or if it's just the commissioners at this time, so uh thanks, hey so.

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I am the ex officio on the um planning and zoning commission and we've had oh seven.

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Eight sessions covering 29 properties, by request of property owners to look at their properties.

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On whether they are zoned properly or not properly in the industrial, commercial, employment campuses.

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During the sessions of the commission, decisions were not made only recommendations.

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By the planning commission to then go forward to us, the board of commissioners.

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In doing so, they took everything into uh consideration to including the great work that our.

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Director of planning, linda eisenberg and her team did in understanding the request. The properties.

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How it fits in and conforms to the community and whether uh the planning commission would then make.

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A suggestion it would go to the planning, uh no planning department would make a recommendation.

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Then the planning commission made a recommendation and you're going to find that some uh were.

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Different between the two and then is going to come to us in final, say the board of commissioners.

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But in doing so we have a lot of comments on that. If anybody is watching this, it's a big.

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And there's about two of these right now by all the information that we have, that we're.

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Considering on all these properties, these 29 properties, but this evening, it's a time for you.

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To share your thoughts on where we should go so after we hear from you this evening,.

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We're going to have, as commissioner wentz said, a sit down on december 3rd. I believe it is.

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And then, after okay and then the commissioners will review all the comments from that book that I.

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Just shared with you, so you don't have to be here tonight, making comments you can do it uh tonight.

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Text, email write it in to us and we will capture it in the book and make the considerations um and.

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Then discuss them amongst uh the the five of us and then the public hearing will be held again.

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December 3rd, at 7pm to listen to any additional comments that you had the intent here is this.

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Is not a one-shot deal if you make it tonight, that's great! If you cannot make it this evening,.

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Or you know of somebody who cannot just share with them uh the opportunity that this is not a.

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Done deal to get your comments in and allow us to make the best considerations we can and the best.

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Information are excuse me, the best decisions with all the information. This is about quality work.

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And not just uh quantity and getting it done. So that's those are some of the steps I just want to.

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Share with you- and I think, commissioner lance you want to share how this evening is going to go with.

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The public hearing correct yeah, that's correct ed. Thank you very much. So uh we've been we've become.

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Quite savvy with our virtual uh presentations here so- uh and I knew my colleagues well so uh please.

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Remember folks, that, just because we're not sitting uh in a room somewhere um where you're able to get.

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Up and and uh and and talk in front of us uh again, I know my colleagues well and we're going to take.

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Down every comment: that's given tonight, uh along with those comments that we've already received.

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And uh we will, we will take all of these uh under advisement. So a reminder: uh this is not a debate.

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This evening uh we are here to listen to the public and there will no. There will not be any.

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Answering of questions uh staff have already, as as commissioner ross teen showed you uh providing.

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Full staff reports, uh the planning commission recommendations and the comments received as of.

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October, 7th and actually we've gotten more since then, uh that our planning uh that our planning.

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Department has given to us so further comments are now being collected and before the hearing we will.

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Take all those under consideration. uh We've got a lot of citizens that have signed up to speak.

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Tonight, as a matter of fact, based upon the number of citizens that have signed up, if you go by the.

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Three minute that we're going to give everybody uh we anticipate if everyone does uh come on, we.

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Could very well be here to uh at least 11 11, 30 and perhaps midnight so um we're because of that.

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We're asking please that you you, um you use that three-minute time limit.

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uh Out of respect not only for uh for us, but for all of the other callers uh that want to come on.

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um This this session is to receive your testimony and again it's not a question and answer obsession.

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The other thing that I'd like to point out and I'm going to be a little bit blunt about this.

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uh We would appreciate, if disparaging comments or personal attacks,.

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Would would not occur this evening. Look, let's be clear, we're all pandemic fatigued.

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uh We've got a lot on our minds, everybody's frustrated, but out of respect for everyone.

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That's on here, if you would limit your comments, professionalism so that we can get through this.

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All of us would certainly truly appreciate that, and we thank you in advance for that.

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uh With that being said, I know our director of planning, linda eisenberg, has a list of speakers.

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That have previously registered uh and I'm going to turn it over to her to call them by name and.

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And that way we can, we can get rolling here. I will also point out that, for those that are joining us.

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uh Virtually with the computer, when you come on to speak with, if you would then after you.

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Get done speaking turn your monitor off that'll help with the bandwidth issue here, uh because.

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Sometimes we get some technical difficulties when we got a huge group like this uh to manage.

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Okay, that's enough! uh That's enough of setting the stage! So uh ms eisenberg, our director of.

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Planning, I will turn it over to you to begin calling out those citizens that wish to speak.

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And hopefully, linda's still on here, linda, are you on.

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It just shows that she's off for some reason.

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Okay, mary, are you on mary lane? I am I'm working on my camera right now. Okay,.

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um Linda has asked me to call the first speaker, which is for i21420203, and it is jim woods.

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Hello: okay, hello, hi.

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Is it my turn to speak.

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Hey this is jim woods. Yes, sir you're on.

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Okay, good evening, um I live just south and a wee bit west of the property in questions.

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Yes, this property is the weedicon um property at route 97 at the patapsco river. For those.

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I would uh suggest the site visit to assess the actual conditions of the property.

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The majority, the majority of the acreage, is extremely steep slopes, dropping to the railroad.

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Tracks in the south branch of the patapsco, the only usable areas are near the northern.

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Boundary apex- and these are encroached upon by the business to the north, and you can verify.

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This on the aerial photo, which is page four of the individual assessment staff reports and also.

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The environmental constraints map, which is page 13 of the same report, which is the online report.

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That you all put out part of this staff report is four page comprehensive zoning assessment report.

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And on page three of that report item nine is the assessment summary. The second sentence states.

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There are many environmental constraints on this property, making it not ideal for heavy industry.

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Development, which is, I believe this is a rezoning going from agricultural to heavy industrial.

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Within the past year, land, clearing excavation grading and the beginnings of concrete foundation.

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Have occurred on the northeast corner on the steep hillside above route. 97 then abruptly.

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All this activity sort of ceased, so I suspect somebody got the cart before the horse on this.

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Access to route 97 is also problematical for this piece of property rig 97 adjacent to this property.

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Drops sharply with steep embankments on both sides, it's a two-lane road with narrow shoulders.

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And limited sight lines as it approaches the railroad tracks and river crossing.

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On both sides of the county line several years back, a loaded asphalt truck from the adjoining.

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Industrial park could not stop in time for a train at this rail at this route, 97 crossing.

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It did not see the backed up traffic until the steep section of the road.

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It ran up one of the embankments dumping, its load of hot asphalt onto the road and under.

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The first three cars waiting for the train- I was driving the fourth car, so I suggest.

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If, if you must reserve this property change it to conservation which would match the properties.

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To the east and west along the river and support the patapsco river watershed, thank you very much.

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All right, thank you, mr woods. Am I mary you're still up and mary, if you would please just a.

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Suggestion uh with just a suggestion, instead, instead of the number or, in addition to the number.

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Give us the name of the property too, so that we know uh where we are with.

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This that'll help with everyone and to all of those that are on this call. Would you please.

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Everyone please mute uh whatever device you're on.

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Until your name is called, and that will help us with our bandwidth, okay, thank you, mary next, caller.

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Okay, the next caller is also for 003, which is the weedicon property, and it is clark shaffer.

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Good good evening, clark schaefer uh for the wedico property. I heard obviously heard mr wood.

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I'd like to point out that the property at issue is part and parcel.

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Of the arbor valley, landscaping parcel and as the planning staff and planning commission report.

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States this is master plan for its proposed i2 zoning, the hidden sort of.

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uh Situation here, that's not evident unless you're involved in the development process is that.

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This piece of ground, because of the environmental constraints, would be ineligible for uh any kind.

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Of uh actual uh structures, uh you know industrial type, buildings and developments, rather, if it could.

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Possibly support industrial development on the rest of the property. That's already zoned,.

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By, for instance, forest conservation, water resource protection, easements.

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Those sorts of things- and I think that's why uh it's master plan that way uh and that's.

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Why the staff and the planning commission have recommended uh that it be zoned uh in that fashion,.

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So, in summary, it's not a rezoning that is going to result in an additional industrial development.

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On that piece of ground, thank you very much. Thank you, mr shaffer. Mary. Next.

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I'll go ahead and do the next one so we're going to move then.

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um The next three properties not have common, so I'm going to move to c104 to zero tom reese.

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And that's the play time. That's playtime corp is the name of that property.

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Okay, thank you all right, mr reece.

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Mr reece, are you on here tom reese.

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Okay last call for tom reese.

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Okay, linda: what's the next name.

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Zero, zero zero eight was withdrawn. You all received a memo on that. The other.

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Day so we're going to move on to the next property, which is ec04202009 and the request.

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Is for an employment campus, and this is kmp resource. The first caller is john lemmerman.

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Good evening, commissioners, um this is uh kind of lumped in with the two other.

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Rezoning applications, so I'm just these are my comments are going to apply to all of them. Please.

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um Except for the one that was withdrawn, um although I just want to reiterate that all.

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Applications are consistent with the master plan and positive staff recommendations, as I'm sure.

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You're aware all applications are recommended for rezoning from the planning commission.

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Any potential development on these properties will require safe plan approval, detailed.

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Traffic studies to be reviewed by carroll, county and state highway administration.

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And environmental impact studies to go with that all ensuring checks and balances for.

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Appropriate future uses with ample public input. The site plan process has a minimum of three.

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Public public hearings or meetings relative that particular proposed youth, although these.

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uh Parcels do not have access to public water and sewer at this particular time. There's many.

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Many approved uses in these zones that do not require public services.

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And this may actually substantially reduce the pace of the intensity of the commercial.

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Industrial development, which should help address some of the issues raised by some.

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Citizens on these properties, I'm not going to get into for time purposes a list of all the uses.

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But rezoning approval does not mean automatic maximum development. It's a long-term process.

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That will require the right use, the right developer and the right infrastructure all.

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Applications meet the purpose and intent spelled out in each zone of the county code that they're.

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Applying for the cost of the infrastructure, I want to reiterate um that is placed on the.

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Developer of the properties, not the carroll county government, not state highway, and not the taxpayers.

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And finally, the county will benefit from an increase in its tax base with future.

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Industrial commercial uses based on many studies in the past, the cost of the county services for.

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Industrial and commercial is less than the taxes collected. The opposite is true for residential.

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Where close to the county services exceeds the taxes collected so nba for the proper union or.

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In the applicant, your serious consideration on these three applications is appreciated. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir next linda. Yes, the next caller we have for this is phil edwards.

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Okay was that edwards vince edwards is that right, linda.

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Mr phillip edwards.

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Okay, a reminder to everyone again, please I I need you to mute your devices unless you're called upon.

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Mute your devices unless you're called upon is there a mr edwards on here.

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Okay, is there a mr edwards.

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Hello hi, my name is megan pfeiffer. My husband and I built our house on nadine's court off of reach.

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Road 15 years ago, here close to the parcels ending in 12 and 13.. In addition to the concerns, I'm sure.

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That will be voiced by others about an impact to quality of life potential. Well, water contamination.

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Traffic and property values. I would ask that you consider the impact on the stream near.

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These properties that are up for heavy commercial and heavy industrial all of the rainwater went.

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Off from the proposed acres funnels into the north branch of the pataska river, which runs through the.

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Town of carrollton, you can see it as you drive down reese road and across the railroad tracks.

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In recent years, the flooding of that area was so bad that residents on route road had to be.

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Rescued from the second stories of their homes by boats when their homes flooded.

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But this rain zoning goes through with many acres of farmland potentially paved over and roofs of.

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Large buildings, preventing absorption of rainwater residents here could be doomed during future heavy.

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Rainfalls we've all seen what has happened with the over development in ellicott city.

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Over the past few years, with catastrophic results. In addition, the reservoir technical group of the.

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Baltimore technical council submitted comments opposing the resigning of agricultural and.

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Conservation land as a violation of the reservoir watershed management agreement under the agreement.

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Signed by the county, urban development is to be limited insofar as possible in the watershed.

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One only needs to drive up and down route 140 to see vacant businesses run down buildings and.

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What appears to be other more suitable land for heavy industrial development? Many businesses have.

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Closed due to the pandemic and the most it's mostly empty, therefore, it wouldn't seem that.

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The destruction of agricultural land rises to a level of necessity. It could pollute the drinking.

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Water for thousands of citizens, these parcels of land are within a half mile from our houses.

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I grew up in anne arundel county, where it's now been discovered that cancer-causing chemicals.

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Leached into the groundwater and impacted private wells from a military site 17 miles away.

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My mother is now dealing with the second type of cancer that she was recently diagnosed with.

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Obviously, there's no way to know the cause exactly, but I'd like to give my.

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Kids, a fighting chance by not having them grow up next to a heavy industrial site.

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Please consider the health of your citizens and the environment and vote no.

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On the rezoning of courses 12 and 13., thank you much linda. The next person is james.

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Martin, mr martin, are you, are you one? Yes I'm here, can you hear me? Yes, sir, go ahead.

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This is in regards to the two parcels up close to route 140 and reach road.

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Just to let everybody know I just moved here back in march. I moved here because one I'm a disabled.

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Combat veteran with ptsd and this area really spoke to me and um the quietness, the neighbors are.

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Very nice here the views are spectacular. We have deer running through our yard on a daily basis,.

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And I'm afraid that if these areas get rezoned and the land gets mauled over, there's no more.

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Trees, no there's nothing there anymore. I'm gonna lose all of that. What I came out here for.

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And, like megan said, you know she's going to take care of. I know this is an equestrian cancer thing.

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Keep in mind who's going to take care of our wells that we spend thousands and thousands of dollars.

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To put in and upkeep um once they get contaminated if they get contaminated, he's going to test them.

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um What about the water you know going down into carrollton.

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Down reach road um down to our neighbors that live down the hill by the railroad tracks.

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I personally don't want to have to go rescue them.

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There's just a lot of things that haven't been taken into consideration. This was a.

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Tabletop exercise, as in the military, we call it a sand table running a mission drill.

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You can't you can't do that with people's lives. You can't run a tabletop exercise.

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And expect it an outcome in your favor, because it's not um it's not going to end well. I think.

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The planning and zoning commission has not done their due diligence and did site has done any.

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Site visits other than driving up and down to put signs up if they would have seen these sites, they.

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Would understand where we are coming from as citizens in this community that these sites are.

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Are not uh meant for what their proposed rezoning is. um It's well outside of the the the growth area.

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I lost my channel, I'm sorry, I'm not a good public speaker.

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Yeah, I just I really do. I really do think that.

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You know this commission has just ran a tabletop exercise and thought it looked good on paper and.

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It it's in reality, it's not a great plan. That's all. I have.

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Thank you, sir. I'm going to skip to the next series of properties that are also known as.

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Kmp resource recovery, so that's c342020.

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Zero one 202013 many of the same people signed up for all of the properties to.

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Speak so it just makes sense to keep them together and have them give their comments.

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On the suite of properties, so next I'm going to move on to is jill papowicz.

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Hey there, can you hear me hello? Yes, we have you jill, go ahead. Okay, great thank you can never.

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Really tell um so just to back up a little all of the properties that have been identified as being.

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Eligible for rezoning were done so several years ago, as part of the 2014, which is now the 2019.

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Master plan is this document that serves as the basis for all of the decisions being made today.

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What I question is: how do we not know about the master plan? Will you contest with the future land.

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Use of these parcels, then the recurring theme I see in the master plan is shown adequate.

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Commercial, industrial and employment campus plans to increase the non-residential tax base.

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I get it. Carroll county needs more money, so, let's be like going to mills, ellicott city.

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Or even towson a little quick history on each of these parcels. um Number 12, high commercial.

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Parcel several folks had tried to purchase this property in an effort to restore the historic.

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House which, by the way, has been torn down by the current owner in an effort to keep the ag alive.

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They were told by the landowner that unless they were costco, he wasn't interested the other very.

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Serious concern about our own safety. If this parcel is developed as commercial and looking.

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At other local neighborhoods that are backed up to commercials as an example, the crime rate.

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Will most certainly increase traffic will increase and both light and trash pollution will increase.

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We're already seeing a lot of trash on reefs because of the landfill. I don't want to leave.

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I don't want to live behind costco or a walmart um for the number 13 heavy industrial property.

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This parts will sit behind the commercial zone and can only be accessed through reef road.

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Unless granted, access by the landfill for the commercial properties just mentioned, it does not.

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Have major road access the owner tried to develop this particle back in 2008 as residential, but was.

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Denied that request that some of the houses would be too close to the landfill. How is it a concern.

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To build a house too close to the landfill but placing heavy industrial next residential is not.

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Neither of these parts of the land have water or sewer running to them. My understanding of the city.

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Of westminster does not have the water to gear these parcels and there is no plan to extend the.

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Services from the county staff assessments reports: this is already a concern. How will.

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These forces be supported what will happen to our water, our wells, not to mention our property values.

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We have serious concerns about the possibility of increased traffic and large trucks moving.

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Up and down reef roads to accommodate both of these parcels, as well as possible contamination.

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Of our wells and the general blight it will bring to our otherwise dorian environment.

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I do not have confidence that any minimum buffer zone will be adequate enough.

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I grew up in clifton new jersey. I lived on the street that tractor-trailer trucks drove up and.

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Down every day to get to a chemical laboratory at the top end, which was called mild laboratories.

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Every now and then there would be a chemical spill that neighbors would get evacuated.

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I have vivid recollections of benemony still in the middle of the night.

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Not a fun place today. This is not the life I want for me, my neighbors, the environment for the next.

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Generation I've been there. I've done that. I do encourage you all to visit these. These parcels.

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For yourself, before voting on rezoning, I think that would make a world of difference thanks.

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Thank you linda. The next speaker is lou.

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Maydar uh good evening, can you hear me? Yes, we can go ahead. Lou uh good evening. I live at the corner.

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Of 140 and reese road, so the property is actually right across the street from me, uh and I do have.

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The same concerns that a lot of my neighbors do uh about the buffer zones. uh My property obviously is.

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Gonna be a little more affected by that, because my driveway would be facing whatever goes there.

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uh And I have concerns with the traffic and trying to come out of my driveway. Now is already.

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Next to impossible, with 140 right there and if giant retail buildings go in and tractor trailers.

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It it's just gonna, get harder and harder.

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For my own personal life, honestly- and you know I didn't move out here.

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With the ex, with the expectation that this was going to happen and actually.

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When I bought my house, I was guaranteed by the previous owners that it wouldn't be.

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So I was a little shocked when I started getting some of these notices.

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That's basically it the next speaker, I'm going to call him again. Is phillip edwards.

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And I don't know who she is but somewhere on, maybe in court spoke to the same.

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um The same concerns you had that you brought off.

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Philip edwards and whoever is speaking if they commute phillip edwards, okay,.

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And go to the next person, then shonda.

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No I'll wait to get out of there and I'll get my room. Thank you. Shonda kane.

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I am here, can you hear me? Okay? Yes, we can. Thank you. Okay, great! Thank you. Yes, my name.

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Is shonda kane and I am calling in reference to um the parcels on wreath road and 140.

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um I am my husband- and I recently moved here over just over a year ago and we are gravely troubled.

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By the proposed rezoning of this community and the neighborhood as of august 28th, when I emailed the.

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Commission, our first complaint we had received no notification informing us of this plan during.

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The 2018 and 2019 comprehensive zoning design hearings the county planning director, ms eisenberg.

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Told the public that all adjoining property owners would be informed of zoning requests.

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Before they were approved, as of the date of the 28th, none of my neighbors or I had been notified.

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And this goes directly against the message conveyed by ms eisenberg. Additionally, signs.

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Had not been posted to notify the community of the requested rezoning there had been no attempt.

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To notify the community, which would have certainly led the community, the community to voice concerns.

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Questions and to send opposition to the proposed rezoning. Additionally, during the july 21st hearing.

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The county planning staff indicated that all of the information regarding the request was readily.

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Available on the county website, we located the planning document, the planning department summer.

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2020 newsletter, but still could not locate the request. Ultimately, one of our neighbors andy dodge.

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Emailed the planning department and they emailed him the documents which he then.

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Shared with the community, this should also be noted that the carroll county rezoning website.

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Was out of date and after this matter was brought to the attention of the planning department.

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The july and august information was updated on august 11 2020. Let us also take note that this.

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Update was well after the july, and the august meeting had already taken place as we are.

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Currently, in the middle of a pandemic, the planning, commission and the board of county commissioners.

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Are conducting all of these hearings and meetings virtually there's no opportunity for a true.

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Public meeting to review and discuss the proposed rezoning changes, this further increases the need.

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To over communicate with all of the adjoining property owners in the community whenever any.

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Zoning requests are considered. Finally, it should also be noted that when the letter.

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Was finally delivered to the community, it was also well after august 28th- and I say all this to say.

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That public notification was not given in due time and in accordance with your own rules. For us, the.

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Community to be able to voice our concerns and to really be heard, and we feel like we're being heard.

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At the 11th hour, as many of my neighbors have already stated, we personally moved here for the.

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Tranquility for the peace to be able to raise our children- and I am now starting to feel like had I.

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Known this up front that I probably would not have moved here, because it seems like our way of life.

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Is in danger and in jeopardy, and of that I take the utmost engrave concern and objection. Thank you.

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The next speaker is joseph perry.

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Can you hear me yes, sir, this is joe murray. Can you hear me yes,.

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That's the case.

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My remarks pertain to uh parcels c304, 2020 0, 12, 0, 0 12, and I two zero four twenty twenty zero zero.

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Thirteen these are currently considered for uh uh to be rezoned, industrial and.

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All the residents in my neighborhood are severely will be severely impacted.

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By the proposed rezoning, carroll county has been a signatory to the reservoir watershed.

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Management agreement and has been an active supporter of the resulting reservoir management.

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Program for the past 40 years, the reservoir technical group expressed concern during the.

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Development of the 2014 carroll county master plan regarding the conversion of agricultural and.

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Conservation land uses to more intensive uses. It appears that this issue has now reached the point.

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Of rezoning, various properties to land uses that are potentially damaging to the water quality of.

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The reservoir watershed tributaries and eventually to the drinking water reservoirs themselves,.

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All signatories to the re reservoir agreement have agreed to maintain the extent of conservation and.

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Agricultural zoning and to limit additional urban development zoning in the reservoir watershed.

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In accordance with the reservoir agreement and action strategy, land currently zoned as.

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Agriculture and resource conservation should not be as a signatory to the reservoir agreement.

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It is of utmost importance for the county to fulfill its commitment to the agreement.

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To propose to provide stewardship of the reservoir watersheds without deviation from its obligation.

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In addition, carroll county agreed to uphold the reservoir agreement.

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In its contract with baltimore city for the purchase of water from liberty, reservoir.

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Protecting the drink of water for the citizens in the baltimore metropolitan area is a critical.

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Responsibility that carroll county and all members of the reservoir program must continue to uphold.

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Based upon information available on carroll county website, if all the properties deemed favorable.

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By the carroll county planning department were rezoned, as requested within reservoir watersheds.

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442 acres of land, currently zoned agricultural, would be rezoned to more intensive categories.

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Of employment, campus, commercial, medium density, commercial, high density, light, industrial district.

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Heavy industrial district- this is a great concern to the resident technical group. I was originally.

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Attracted to my neighborhood for its bucolic scenery and quiet environment, reese road, the.

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Only access to these parcels is a narrow country, road that accommodates limited local traffic.

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This area is home to a large variety of wildlife. The residents receive water from wells.

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If the parcels become industrial, reese road would have to be widened to accommodate the.

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Increased traffic reese road would no longer be safe for pedestrians. It would become a busy.

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Noisy street to widen reese road, the front yard of each resident would have to be altered and reduced.

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Tractor trailer traffic would be intolerable.

L

Please don't finish yourself, I beg your pardon, sir.

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Please tell me: you thought your three minutes. It has been up: okay, okay! Well, um so um I would.

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Respectfully, request uh your vote against all the proposed rezoning. Thank you for the opportunity.

F

So I'm going to call the next speaker, but just a point of order if we can really keep it to three.

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Minutes we have over 77 people that have signed up this evening and we really want everyone to.

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Get their fair opportunity to say what they would like to say in regards to this effort.

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The next speaker is andrew dodge, oh andy, dodge oh lettuce and tomato elicit the tacos.

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Dodge, yes, can you hear me.

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Yes, mr dodge, go ahead and a reminder to everybody else: please mute your devices if you're not on.

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Mr dodge go ahead all right. Thank you good evening. Thank you for providing this opportunity.

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For public comments on a plan, re-zoning of the 0-12 and 0-0-13 properties, which are close to.

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Approximately road and 140. collectively these requests involve rezoning, 130 acres of land.

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From agricultural limiting to high density, commercial and high high or heavy use, industrial.

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Zoning this evening, you will hear many citizens comments about the locker of proper due diligence.

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And communications on these rezonings, as well as the negative impact of these proposed rezonings.

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On the local community, the environment, wildlife, local traffic, the quality of life.

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In your citizens, well-being, I am going to focus on the negative impact on traffic congestion, the 0-12.

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Request involves re-zoning, approximately 57 acres at the intersection route, 140 and reese road from.

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Agricultural to high density, commercial, the zero 13 request involves resetting 70 acres to heavy.

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Industrial along reeds road state, highway 140 opened as a highway in 1951 nearly 70 years ago.

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Route 140 is a four lane highway for the posted speed limit of 55 miles per hour and is a major.

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Thoroughfare between pennsylvania, the northern portions of carroll county, including tonytown.

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Union mills manchester hampstead and westminster the western portions of carroll county, including.

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New windsor and union bridge and points south, including finksburg, owings mills, baltimore county.

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And baltimore city, according to the most recent maryland department of transportation statistics,.

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Over 43 000 vehicles travel this roadway each day on peak weekdays. It's about fifty.

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Thousand vehicles, it is the most heavily used roadway in carroll. County is already a very.

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Congested roadway is already very common to sit along route 140 and backed up traffic.

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Route 140 was not constructed to support commercial and heavy industrial development.

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There are not any maryland department transportation plans to improve route 140.

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During the three year, the 10-year and the 20-year plans, approximately seven years ago, the traffic.

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Intersection at reese road route, 140 was changed to limit vehicles entering leaving the roadway.

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Because of the congestion and also the accidents along this pathway, the proposed rezoning would.

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Require additional traffic lights to manage access into the high density, heavy industrial area.

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Increase the number of vehicle accidents on the roadway and further increase congestion.

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The proposed rezoning would also further complicate fire department, emt response.

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By reese volunteer fire department, I ask you: why would you approve rezoning these parcels.

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Why would you further increase congestion route, 140, the citizens of carroll county? What route 140.

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Be one continuous commercial industrial strip from liberty reservoir to westminster airport.

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Do we want route 140 if you like, richie highway in glen, birdie or route 40 and white morse, the.

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Infrastructure cannot support the requester raise only. I had also signed up to speak for.

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The employment campus re-zoning along route 140, but was not called on. It- is property request ec.

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04-2020-2009, my comments also apply to this property. I hope you that all of you give all.

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Of our comments, very serious consideration and vote against these three zonings, if approved.

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These rezonings will results, result in significant negative impacts on the surrounding community.

L

Three months as well, if you complete your comments, I appreciate it yeah. I would like to complete my.

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Comments so, if approved, these rezonings will result in significant significant negative.

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Impacts on the surrounding community environment and all carroll county residents to use route 140.

D

Thank you. Okay thanks, mr dodge, and I know you you missed the last chance, so that's.

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Why we were giving you some extra time there all right? The next speaker is russell baker.

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Hello, can you hear me.

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Mister go ahead. Yes, uh my name is roscoe baker. I've lived on thoroughbred knoll, which is off of.

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Reese road for the past 27 years um personally, I do appreciate having having this listening session.

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I know it's a lot of herding cats um as about 4 p.m. Today we have 717 people.

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Who've signed a petition to stop the rezoning. uh People, don't want this and I'll make sure.

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I send the information to the commission aside from the many issues I have with this particular.

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uh Reasoning with the overall process um on september 2nd a lot of these.

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Traffic increased congestion on 140.

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um No access to the properties, polluting of critical areas, streams, etc and other issues.

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But kind of the simple point here is as property owners. We don't know. What's going on.

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um We're told this the zoning is being reviewed um and but no. But when we ask questions about.

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What's the intended purpose, we're told that's beyond the scope of the meeting, it's again beyond.

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The scope of the meeting today so, of course we expect the worst um and I'm you know my thought is.

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If somebody would tell us what the plan is for the property that could potentially allay our fears,.

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We might even be able to get behind the property. um You know the effort to work together on it.

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For example, I suggested, if you put a bar in there, that might win over some people, um but seriously. I.

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Expect the worst my neighbors expect the worst, and we see no reasons and not expect the worse.

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You're not giving us any reason to not expect the worst. um So, given that, given that we can't get.

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You know some intended use for the property. Our our default mode is to fight this to fight the.

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That, whatever goes in, there is going to be bad, and it's going to impact us.

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You know in a negative way, so you know at least until somebody else can come.

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To us and tell us this is the intent of property, and maybe we can get behind it.

D

You know I, for one will do everything I can to fight it. Thank you very much for your time.

F

The next person is brooks leahy.

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uh Hello, can you hear me.

M

Thank you um I'll talk about both oo13, which is the i2 and oo12, which is the c3.

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um In both situations, these proposed rezonings are, in fact consistent with the master plan.

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A key element of the master plan is to promote healthy economy and employment opportunities.

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By focusing on existing vacant land that is located, um you know in the major uh road car.

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Corridor such as 140., um I know, there's a lot of fear and concern by a lot of the neighbors, but.

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The advantage of having large parcels of this land being developed is that it gives a lot of.

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Flexibility to design a development that is less impactful on the neighborhood, for instance, the.

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I2 property could easily be designed into an industrial park, and you know there can.

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Be protections and buffering and so forth, and it's important to keep in mind that the rezoning only.

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Allows for future development. The future development is heavily regulated in the.

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County so issues people are concerned about like stormwater management issues such as that must be.

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Addressed by the developer uh from an engineering perspective uh to be protective of the community.

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Issues such as road access will be studied very heavily by traffic studies that will.

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Be paid for by the developer but designed by the county staff in county engineering.

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And then the costs and expenses of any infrastructure will be borne by by the developer.

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Of these pluses, that's true, both the commercial and the industrial um one of the problems.

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Carroll county has is that uh relative to other counties, we have less uh industrial zone property.

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And commercial zone property in relation to residential and, quite frankly, residential property,.

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The taxes that it generates does not begin to pay for its costs and the opposite is crew of.

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Industrial and commercial, the taxes generate help subsidize. Frankly, all the residential property.

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Which is where there's a high cost of service, so I know this is um there's fear in the community.

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But but there are uh strong protections for when development actually gets started, which might be.

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Five years, 10 years, 15 years- it's not going to happen next month, even if the resume happens.

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And a lot of the communities concerns uh you know will be guarded against in the site plan process.

D

So we asked the commissioners to pass this. uh It was fatally recommended by the planning.

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Commission and we that the commissioners um accept the results as well. Thank you.

A

Thanks, linda before we close out the properties of kennel kmp resource recovery, which are um 9.

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12 and 13. is there anyone else on the line that um I did not call their name for these.

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Properties, yes, linda. uh This is margaret faith I signed up and my name was not called.

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Okay, I'm sorry about that. Please go ahead good evening, um commissioners. I would like.

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To thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this evening. I have lived on the.

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um East side of greece, road for approximately 20 years, I was born and raised in howard, county.

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Amidst a 300 acre farm on one side of me and 150 acre farm on the other side,.

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Today, those properties have been developed and as well as most of howard, county. Anyone that.

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Has lived in carroll county is pretty much um aware of the issues that howard county.

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Incurred with overdevelopment in ellicott city, and just in response to mr baker's comments.

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All of those things happened in howard county. They had sites plans drawn up. They had engineers.

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Everything was supposed to be fine, and over development is absolutely what caused the flooding.

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In recent years, in ellicott city, as a young adult, I remember many floods that occurred in ellicott.

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City that came from the river up, which they were naturally occurring. These floods in most recent.

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Years, which I, as a firefighter with howard county, was called in to help evacuate and rescue people.

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um Those floods did not occur from the river up. They occurred from frederick road.

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Down into main street ellicott city, my comp, my my comments about ellicott city is: I moved away from.

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Howard county uh a number of years ago, because of the over development there, I've lived in.

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In carroll county, almost all of my adult life and, as I said, I've lived here almost 20 years.

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It's a very nice setting. I love carroll county because there's a nice mix of residential farms.

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And commercial properties, which we all know we need.

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But in a time when there has been so much uncertainty and so many companies going out.

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Of business as a result of this pandemic, I really question: do we need to vote.

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In favor of these proposed rezonings on these properties at reese, road and 140., I agree with.

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All of my neighbors, I would like to comment that I I do have a well I front reese road, so I would.

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Directly be impacted, and I feel very very strongly against this. There are many multiple properties.

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Up and down the 140 corridor that have been vacant and have sat vacant for a number of years.

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So why do we need to disturb more earth these property? um These parcels have been farmed for.

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For all of the time that I have lived here for 20 years, which I feel that's still an important part.

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Of our economy as well, and I feel the farmers should be allowed to continue to farm this.

N

I am very concerned about the watershed area and I am very concerned about what possible rezoning.

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To heavy industrial and commercial could do to our wells. Everybody in this area has wells.

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We don't have public water and sewer. I I don't think at this point in time. We need to disturb.

D

Any more earth in carroll county- I won't take up any more of your time. I appreciate.

D

Being able to speak one other thing I would like to quickly say is.

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I do definitely know that we were not informed um before the july hearing. I only heard about.

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Any of this, when my neighbor andy dodge knocked on my door and explained everything that was going on.

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When I purchased this property, I went to the county um office complex and inquired and was.

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Told that it was zoned agricultural and some of it was in conservative ship. So I was told that.

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It would that's what it would be. um Thank you so you're up against your time. Okay, thank you. So much.

A

Linda is there anyone else? We had several people who did not associate a property with.

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Their requests, so is there anyone else that I missed that wanted to speak about these properties.

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There weren't many okay. So now I'm going.

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To move on to c204202010- and this is texas property- and I have brooks leahy.

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And brooks, did you want to take an opportunity to speak about both.

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10 and 11., I can speak on both of you, it's fine, you know and I'll be very brave. I don't think did.

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Advice brief: I don't think these three zonings are controversial. I think uh they've been supported.

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And I think the record's clear that that they're appropriate uh the tevis is a very small piece.

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That has an existing billboard, that's been on there for for 40 years and they're simply having.

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The zoning change to c2 to confirm with its use and then there's a small piece of the adjoining.

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Shell station jiffy march station- excuse me it had been a shell and it's just adding.

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Some additional uh business zoning to a small piece of that that was residential that could.

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Never be used as residential, so I would ask that both these rezonings be supported.

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And I can answer questions if anyone has them otherwise, I'm finished.

A

Linda, yes, the next property is.

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C209202014 uh clark, shaffer yeah good evening, clark schaefer, I I can hear people call I'm yeah.

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Clark shafer, we our firm, represents uh four or five, or at least I do kelly, represents others. So.

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And my comments relate to the lady and the uh well, the the marcia henley property, the.

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Mad property, which linda just called out the fogle property on obrecht road, fellaini property.

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On salem bottom and really the graph property on limeboro now of those four properties, they.

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Share the common characteristic that all of them have long standing, non-conforming uses on them.

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And I think the questions I'd ask you to ask yourselves.

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With regard to these properties are, first, is the master plan correct in zoning these properties.

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Either agricultural or conservation- and the next question of course is: why would the master plan.

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Look at a property like these, which for decades have been used for an industrial.

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Or commercial purpose and place it in a zoning category that does not allow that use.

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And furthermore, under planning principles and legal decisions try to basically eliminate this.

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Use over time uh saying that don't worry these are non-conforming uses is not the is not the.

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The solution non-conforming status is severely limits. These properties discourages reinvestment.

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And at least their eventual elimination, the the next question I'd ask you to ask: is.

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Does when you look at these properties- and I think most of you are familiar with them or will be.

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Does it make sense to envision these properties as better or more appropriate for the agricultural.

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Or conservation uses, some of them are very small. Delaney property, for instance, is really is, is 11.4.

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Acres, but only about six acres of that is usable and there are enough environmental constraints on.

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That property, uh that it will never be used for most of the I, the i2 uses it it's applied for.

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The same thing applies to the federal property um and and by the way, these these properties are.

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Historic uses, meaning they've, been there long enough, where the neighborhood's well aware them.

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I'm not aware of any major controversy from the neighborhood on any of them.

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Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's people, and this would re-zoning these properties would encourage.

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An economically productive use of these properties, if they ever did redevelop under their.

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Requested rezoning, they would have to comply with all the modern environmental codes.

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Which would probably end up being better, so I don't think you should zone these properties.

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For for a category that really discourages future investment in the properties and the use of these.

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Properties, they're, economically productive and they're appropriate and I'd. Ask you to please.

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Take that into consideration. Thank you. Thanks, linda the next property.

F

C206202015, this is mary, jane graf and the first speaker is joan victory.

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That name again, linda.

F

Joan montgomery.

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Okay, let's move on another name, I do not have last name, I just her first name, marcia.

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That's marcia henley, the owner of the property you're calling out this is clark. Shaffer.

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Okay- and I I'm I'm her lawyer, um just called her.

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Case- and I made some my comments uh in general, but with regard to that particular property.

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That particular property is on old liberty, road, it's, the old gartland plumbing property.

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It's been there for eons decades. It's a fairly small property, it's recommended by the master.

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Plan as ag it has a favorable planning commission recommendation to go to c2 it's located on old.

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Liberty, road, which is basically an access road off liberty, road, or at least it could serve as.

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Such the properties of less than two acres, so it's it's used for agricultural purposes, which.

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Is what the master plan suggests uh is impractical, especially given? What's on the property right now,.

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This is a property that the planning commission recommended in favor of the rezoning.

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This is a property that would potentially provide for a commercial uh use in the future. That would.

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Serve an underserved area of the county, that is, the taylorsville area,.

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Underserved with uh with commercial so that one we we submit should be favorably rezoned to c2.

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uh To envision it being used for agricultural purposes in the future, it just doesn't make sense.

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And I think that's what the planing commission, partly the planning commission, uh found. Thank you.

F

Okay, so going back to the uh mary, jane graf property, c206202015, chad, becker.

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Linda that one's mine too, although chad may be on the line, because he.

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He's he's miss graff's, uh grandson.

E

A

We've heard from you, let's, if he's on, let's hear from him.

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I I can't tell okay fine becker yeah someone. um I don't have any additional comments. um Just.

M

To echo what uh our attorney mr schaefer said, uh we are also in a very uh unrecognized part.

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Of the county over here in lyme borough with very little commercial use, and this property has been.

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My grandmother's name for decades and has served the community in many facets.

M

With other conditional uses that she's had on the property, so this would go to c2 would just be.

M

Making it conforming with, what's already being used at this property serving the community.

M

And which has done so for many decades here over here in line bro, so that's all. Thank you.

A

Okay, thanks linda moving on to the next property. I one zero five, two: zero: two: zero: zero zero one. Six.

F

This is fogle properties and clark. Shaffer wanted to speak about this property as well.

E

Again, my my previous comments, as you know, apply to.

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This this property was used. It was a, I think it was a kibbler.

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uh Contractor's yard way back, uh it's now fogle's and I think most of you are familiar with fogle.

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Dale and dave fogle in their operation, it's been a photo operation for many many years. uh This is.

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One that the planning commission didn't recommend in favor of, um but we obviously disagree with that.

E

This is a long-standing use. um It's zoned. It's suggested that it be zoned c conservation.

E

But once again, if you look at the property, you need to ask yourself what what c uses would make.

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Sense on this, and do you really want to place fogle in arguably a non-conforming use status.

E

That restricts their ability to expand, uh to obtain bank loans uh to improve their property.

E

uh uh Or do you want to zone them for a category where maybe sometime in the future, they would.

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Do a site plan where they would make a major reinvestment in that property and comply with.

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All the modern environmental standards, the fogles, I think you won't. I don't think you'll hear much.

E

Neighborhood opposition on that one we do have a sykesville planning commission statement.

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Don't do it because it's not consistent with a master plan, but no real reasoning and in fact.

E

The fogles have been great neighbors down there in terms of uh cooperating with that bulb.

E

The ball fields, next to that, and uh we respectfully uh uh ask that you look at.

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uh The historic use of this property uh and zone it uh to the requested i1. Thank you.

F

Okay, moving on to the next property, there are no comments for c3 zero, zero, seven.

F

Two: zero: two: zero: zero, zero one, seven, the next property that has a comment is I two.

F

Zero: nine two zero two: zero zero zero one eight and that is melvin laney property on salem bottom.

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Road and again this they are represented by clark shaffer. Thank you uh once again, I'll refer back.

E

To my comments where I tried to squeeze four clients into my first three minutes um so now.

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I'll spend a minute on the laney pop property, in particular, that property is at salem bottom road.

E

Once again decades of industrial commercial use, I think it was a sawmill to begin with.

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uh Then it was a uh the green pallet people had it or the. Then it was a mulch operation and.

E

uh That's an environmentally compromised property, there's no doubt about it and any development.

E

Of that property uh would uh be subject to uh significant constraints regarding environmental.

E

But of 11.4 acres, uh there's, probably six seven, eight usable acres in there and lane is using it.

E

Now uh uh as either conditional or non-conforming, but my arguments again are, if you what c ag or c.

E

Uses do you envision down there and, as you all know, most of the ag or c uses unless you've got.

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A big chunk of ground which you can farm are are single-family residential. I mean that's, that's 99,.

E

Of the development news for the value, at least in in those parcels, ask yourself I mean: can you.

E

With with the history of this parcel, do you want to zone it so that you are suggesting.

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You want it for the benefit of the county. You you desire to be used for ag or conservation purposes.

E

I would suggest you that would be better off for the county uh and and for my clients. Obviously, if.

E

It were zoned to its requested i2 zone, which would again don't be fooled by the bugaboo.

E

Of look at all these uses in the i2, it could be a you know, a rubber tire factory.

E

No, it's not big enough; it wouldn't meet the setbacks, it doesn't have water and sewer. So.

E

The real uses that might go in that property are ones that would be similar to what's there now.

E

And if they did go in, they would be I'll just submit to you better because they would have to.

E

Meet your modern site planning and environmental constraints in in the net of it would be.

E

Better for the environment, it's a compromise now and it's a compromise because it was recognized as.

E

A long-standing use appreciate your consideration. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to the next property.

F

C204202019, this is gems investment, llc old westminster pike in finksburg. The first speaker.

F

Is sophia- and I am not going to be able to pronounce your last name, so I'm going to spell it.

F

Njoku joku najoku yeah.

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um My my concern: actually, we have lived in this property for over 15 years now and then.

G

When, when we brought the house above the land and built the house,.

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We were told that that there would not be any development around here, because baltimore.

G

Because okay hold on man, we'll stop your clock again, a reminder: if you're, not speaking, could.

A

You, please use your advice if you're, not speaking, please mute your device.

A

Okay, ma'am go ahead: okay, because baltimore city owns half of the um bushes and the reservation.

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Reservoir around here, so there won't be any development around and now the the county.

D

Is proposing uh development of uh an area? Well, we have well water. The noise on 140 is already.

G

Much on old westminster pike right in front of development, they are used, it's usually a lot.

D

Of trash out there so to increase the traffic of whatever they're, trying to use a lot for.

G

First would devalue our how our house and then increase traffic and whatever else pollution.

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That will be produced out of there and the contamination of the water. I understand that.

G

The land was an old mine land, so I don't know what the effect of that would be eventually. Thank you.

A

Okay, thanks linda the next speaker is sophia a new forum.

F

Oh okay, you had two different names: okay, I'm gonna move into a new person.

D

Myself, along with our entire entire neighborhood, have strong reservations about the potential.

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Development of this land adjacent to our quiet neighborhood. There are many reasons.

D

For our concerns, most notably the following, first of all, our concern environmental impact.

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This land is primarily on a downward slope and is less than one-quarter mile from the liberty.

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Reservoir and baltimore county, and so to speak, uh the city of baltimore as well since, uh since.

E

The water is owned by the city. A stream is located on the property that flows into the reservoir.

D

On days like today, when it rains a lot all this water flows, downhill and right into the reservoir.

D

With the business development being made, this is a clear worry of ours.

D

Furthermore, the reservoir in the wooded areas across the street from the property in question.

E

Belong to the city of baltimore, if I'm not mistaken, I have begun the conversations of.

D

Letting the city of baltimore know the situation and am interested in hearing how the city feels.

D

About the potential of a development like this impacting their drinking water, when I find out.

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More information, I will let you all know through the proper channels. You know, through your website,.

D

And filling out a form and everything a second concern: increased activity activity in the area.

D

As mentioned, we live in a quiet neighborhood, but already deal with an immense amount of trash.

D

And debris that ends up in our neighborhood and in the adjacent wooded area. You know that that.

D

Borders the reservoir from folks who park on old westminster pike, which is where property in.

D

Question is on that property and venture into the woods and into our private neighborhood.

D

It's bad already and we believe it will only get worse if there's a development across the street.

D

And the development that is accessible from old westminster pike again, this is the property in.

D

Question um the third concern: it's a poor location for any sort of business. I don't understand the.

D

Placement, first of all, because it's on a sharp downward hill and would be a mess to turn into.

D

With the speed vehicles go on this portion of 140. again, this is on 140.

E

Right when you're going downhill right before you cross into baltimore county.

E

And go by full moon. Serious accidents already happen on the stretch of ralph 140. All the time.

D

And adding a business of any sort here only makes things worse. Where would only make things worse?.

D

This was not approved in a previous venture in 1968 from the research that I did and I don't.

E

See why this would be approved now with the environment, with the environment, protections.

D

Being such an issue in the 21st century, I moved to this county because of its land.

D

Appeal and environmental appeal: let's try to keep it that way. Thanks for your time, everybody.

A

Thank you linda. The next speaker is kelly schaefer good evening. Commissioners. um Thank.

D

You for being here this evening, I I represent the owners of this property gems investment.

O

um This property is uh located, it is the last uh privately owned property before you get to the.

D

Reservoir, but it is not the last piece of property before you reach the what the reservoir I do want.

D

To point that out, because in in one of the maps, that's included in the staff report, the blue color.

D

Is used to indicate uh city ownership, but it kind of looks like water and that's that's not actually.

D

The case, if you truly look at the relationship of this property to the reservoir, the total property.

D

Is about 7 and 7.8 acres? We have amended the request to include approximately five acres.

O

Of the property to be part of this rezoning, and that was done after planning, commission.

D

Comments and a consideration of looking at the surrounding zoning when you look at our.

D

Amended requests the zoning line matches the c2 zoning across route 140. um this. This request.

D

Was was made after an analysis of the highest and best use of the property, but also practically.

D

Considering the surrounding uses as you're all well aware, the entire corridor, along up along 140.

D

Up to this, property is zoned c2 and likewise directly across the street is zoned c2. This.

D

Property is within the finsburg designated growth area. There are significant site constraints.

D

Here so I just I do want to be clear: we've applied for the comprehensive rezoning portion.

D

But any development that were to actually occur on the site would need to go through a site plan.

D

Process and uh and any environmental concerns would have to be handled as part of that site.

O

Development process, so if they were not able to be met, the site would not develop, even if.

O

It was zoned for for a commercial use, so uh just to clarify that um I there was also a mention that.

D

You know the county initiated this and I just want to be clear: the county did this. This was a uh the.

D

Owners initiated this request. This has always been a privately owned property. This was not a property.

D

That recently, um you know switched from the city of baltimore or or the county to a private owner.

D

There are several uh you know, pieces of support for this in in the master plan, um but I'll save.

D

Those so those for the public hearing I just wanted to you know, make a distinction between.

D

The site plan process and the comprehensive plan process we understand that there might.

O

Be challenges that one would face through the site plan process, but in looking at.

O

This property from a comprehensive perspective. We believe it is appropriate this portion of it that.

D

That said uh for the c2 zone, so we would ask you to look at those factors. Thank you.

F

Those were all the speakers that I have for this particular property.

F

The next property is c2 0 3 2 0 2 0 0 0, 2 0. This is 97 crowd, pass llc.

F

Or maryland mallet, and the first speaker that I have is kathy lowe.

I

Hello kathy: is this kathy go ahead? No uh this this. Can you hear me.

A

Yes, ma'am, we called kathy, say the name again, linda kathy lowe. I'm sorry, but I.

I

Was actually wanting to talk about the other person and like for the others, you actually.

I

Didn't spend that same opportunity? Okay, I apologize. um What property did you.

F

Wish to speak about 001, yes, the 0019 that ends up. You can tell us your name, please.

I

Yes, my name is lisa hankerson and I'm also a resident here in the lakewood manor community and.

I

I just want to make three different points: kind of buttress. What has already been said, first of all,.

I

The property is currently zoned for conservation. It's not, although the rest of that area may be.

I

In a c2 uh posture this, that particular property is not. Secondly, we do already have enough traffic.

I

We all know when you come down 140 heading toward that blue moon cafe. All it takes is one fender.

I

Bender and it sets and shuts down the property for all for hours. I've at some point not gotten home.

I

Three four hours later, so that's a concern, the traffic and the impacts of the environment. I think.

I

That's important to realize that they want to make they want to minimize the distance that we are.

I

From the reservoir, but the fact that the reservoir provides the the impact of the environment would.

I

Be significant, so I think that you guys need to take that in consideration and it wasn't just.

I

As late as 1960, it was in 2013 that they also brought this up with regard to the zoning for this.

I

Particular area this particular parcel property and it was uh to remain as conservation. Thank you.

F

Okay and then to kathy lowe, then again for marilyn mallett.

F

Okay, I'm going to move on then and kelly schaefer is representing this property as well.

D

Thank you, uh kelly shaffer, on behalf of marilyn mallett 97 crab house llc. um Most.

D

If not, all of you are familiar with this property, this was formerly gary known as gary and dell's.

D

The request being made is from agricultural to c2. This property has a history of non-conforming uses.

D

Dating back prior to 1965., um this is I I would submit to you that this is a.

D

Desired site, for you know the current use, which just goes to show. um You know the.

D

The desire for this to remain commercial, this site is in proximity to other similar uses. If you look.

D

At a county zoning map- and this was part of the presentation that was made to planning commission.

D

Is that approximately 0.7 miles south on 97 is another property that is zoned c2 and then.

D

Approximately 1.1 miles south on 97 are two other properties that are zoned c2. So it's not.

D

Unusual, I would say to you in this area to have some commercial zoning amidst agricultural zoning.

D

Again, there's a really big difference here between this comprehensive process and any site plan.

D

Process that would have to occur if this property redeveloped um the use, can can stay there as it is.

D

Now, but if it ever redeveloped, the owners would truly be able to invest in the property if the.

D

Zoning legalized the use- um this is not you know within the planned water and sewer service area.

D

It is served by private facilities and there this property is too small to to return to an ag use.

D

So I truly think again going back to to clark's points that he made during some of his comments.

D

If you look at what is appropriate here and what would actually develop on this site,.

D

I would say to you that c2 is an is an appropriate zone for this. Along with you know, master plan.

D

Support that was cited the planning commission and will be cited during the public hearing, so.

D

We would ask you to take that in consideration when you take a look at this property. Thank you.

F

Okay, the next two properties: zero zero, two one and zero zero. Two two have no commenters.

F

For this evening, the next property is i2, one one, two: zero: two: zero: zero zero; two three dan.

F

Finch- and this is for inch services on medford road between new windsor, road and old, new windsor.

F

Pike, yes, thank you, commissioners, for your time, you hear me: okay, yes, sir, go ahead.

D

The commissioners in the planning commission's adopted plan.

D

Requested help to add usable industrial lands to the master plan. Our property fits perfectly with.

D

The industrial route 31 corridor. In addition, it will increase tax basis for the for carroll county.

D

We don't have an industrial giant ready to buy this property, we're simply trying to protect the.

D

Land for future business opportunities in carroll county, the topography doesn't allow for a giant.

D

Facility to be put there, it may not even be sold for heavy industrial iq use. Of course, objections.

D

Have been raised by some locals a high plateau with hills, slopes and forests around it best.

D

Describes this land and the best place to put a building would be the top center of the property.

D

According to the grading plan, from that view, you cannot see anyone's house who has presently.

D

Written objections, at least that I have seen thus far their views, are blocked by hills. Woods.

D

Hedgerows with very large trees, mixed in and more can be added later to protect any unsightliness.

D

Most houses, in view of where a building would be placed according to the grading study.

D

Are actually miles away, traffic safety is another objection. If this is a traffic safety issue, you.

D

Would have to consider every intersection on route 31. only approximately 150 yards of metric road.

D

Comes into play here with the right of way off, medford road- you don't have enough time to get.

D

Up to an unsafe speed before you have to stop at route 31 and there's excellent visibility up and.

D

Down 31, as you pull out, the commissioners may not know that at the provisional plannings and zoning.

D

Meeting we did get a unanimous favorable vote. However, two members were not in attendance when.

D

The final meeting took place, mr daniel huff, not at the initial meeting mentioned. He did not want the.

D

Right-Of-Way and additional traffic spilling on the old new windsor road. Frankly, we have.

D

Grave concerns that our supplemental information filed with our by request application through our.

D

Attorney mr john mcguire has not been distributed to the planning commission by the department of.

D

Planning part of that information was a grading study done by mr martin hackett from carol land.

D

Services, if mr huff would have seen if he would have known access comes off of medford road.

D

Not old new windsor road, we will be forwarding each commissioner a copy of that package for.

D

Your review prior to the next meeting, please consider mr jack lybron's letter. He points out.

D

That our county has a shortage of industrial zone, land and larger tractor needed, which this parcel.

D

Fits perfectly, he also knows public water and sewer are not necessary, and several buildings.

D

Along route 31 currently have private systems, it makes no sense to have a part of our property.

D

Zone day and part zoned industrial, especially since the portion zoned ag, is soon better for.

D

The business use due to the topography of the land, where the 20 acres of i2 land currently.

D

Much of it's unusable, we contend, you would have great difficulty finding a large track of.

D

Industrial land with less people affected anywhere in the county, and I thank you for your time.

D

Once again, that's all I have we have another speaker, brian holes,.

D

Hi, this is brian holt and I live on 839 medford road. So I would be directly impact and I would be.

D

The first property that would border whatever kind of access.

D

Would be made onto this property from medford road medford road is extremely.

D

Narrow with shoulders that with actually no shoulders that the road just drops off and.

D

I cannot understand how you know the industrial traffic would fit on that road, as well as old, new.

D

Windsor pike, as I said, this land borders both of those roads and they both have no shoulders. They.

D

Wind up and down the hills of the area and and route 31 is not very good for access due to the.

D

Steep portions, the steep hills on the already zoned industrial portion of this land, the property.

D

The property that that we're discussing is in a carbonate rock area which runs from westminster.

D

Through new windsor to union bridge- and you know, that's a geological structure that makes um water.

D

Aquifers highly susceptible to contamination and spread into ground water. This affects.

D

Our family and again we are at the bottom of the hill to this land, and my well is 35 feet deep.

D

And while I've had never never had any issues with water supply, it's very susceptible to runoff or.

E

Water that would percolate down because of this type of stone.

D

The property is also surrounded on three sides by land that the taxpayers have been.

D

Have paid to put into land preservation, this land is also in the pipe creek legacy area.

D

Which was sponsored by the commissioners of carroll county, protecting this water supply that.

D

I just discussed and the monocacy river watershed now the master plan does discuss as far as.

D

The need for more industrial land, they also- and I can paraphrase in undeveloped areas.

D

Preserving the county's rural character, the plan encourages preservation of the existing.

D

Rural and suburban development patterns, with extension of mixed-use zoning only where it's.

D

Appropriate and I would say that the current zoning of the property along 31 being industrial.

D

And the ag portion that is surrounded by property, that is farmed and in conservation.

D

Is appropriate? There are.

D

Within one mile, this property already 150 acres, approximately of undeveloped i2 zone land.

D

A number of it is relatively flat and and usable not you know not the same as the property. That's.

D

In question, um I would agree with the unfavorable recommendation from the zoning staff and hope that.

D

This zoning change request is turned down and that we preserve the feel the character.

D

And the safety for the coming years for those who live in this area thanks much.

F

So that concludes the comments for this property. I'm going to move on to the next one, which is c2.

F

0 7 2 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 2 4, and the first person is mr kiker.

F

Ronald kiker called my name and I never got to speak.

F

Please identify yourself.

D

Linda this is kathy lowe. You called my name and I never got to speak. Someone interrupted me.

F

I apologize, what property um can we go back.

F

We're talking about mary malik, zero, three: two: zero: zero, zero, two zero; okay.

F

Thank you. uh The property owners who own the adjoining property to the south.

I

West and north of the property known as the maryland mallet.

D

Opposed changing the zoning of this property to commercial c2, we do not think rezoning the parcel.

D

Necessary it's a good deal for our neighborhood. The restaurant has operated at this location for.

D

Well, over 30 years, under its current zoning of agriculture, with a non-conforming variance, we see.

D

No reason to change this zoning to commercial c2, as that designation, would allow for a wide.

D

Variety of businesses, such as a communications tower automobile service center fuel station.

D

Contractors, office car wash self-service storage facility and facility for dispensing medical.

D

Cannabis these types of businesses would adversely affect our quality of life, enjoyment of our farm.

D

And property value, both the current owners of the mallet and previous owners have approached.

D

Us to buy some of our land to enlarge the restaurant's parking lot. This demonstrates.

D

That future expansion is not feasible, as the restaurant does not have enough parking to.

D

Meet its current needs, it's our understanding that carroll county is looking to discourage commercial.

D

Development in the route 97 north corridor to keep route 97 from becoming another route, 140.

D

This is a neighborhood of single-family homes that already must contend with a busy dangerous road.

D

Please do not rezone the properties to commercial, as this would result in even.

D

More traffic and noise in our neighborhood sincerely kathy and steve lowe. Thank you.

F

Okay, thank you. Miss lowe, I'm going to go back to property, c207.

F

F

This property is located at the intersection of maryland 97 and 32, just south of westminster.

F

F

Okay and move on to the next name, john backus.

F

John backus.

F

Okay, um I have no other comments for this property. I'm going to move on to this.

F

Property, which is ec 1, 4, 2, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 2 5.

F

These properties are known as the delaney properties.

F

Off of clees mill road in the sykesville area, the first speaker I have is jeremy beck.

D

Hi there that's my husband, my name is janelle beck. um We are referring um to this property. We are.

D

Directly next door to it, it is the lot that is right. Next order, a lot, um so we bought this.

D

House uh we are at 127 dixon lane. We bought this house in 2019 if we ever thought that directly.

D

Next order, us, which is an incredibly small lot on a gigantic slope that is, met with a water tower.

D

If we ever thought that that was going to be developed, we never would have bought this house.

D

um It would absolutely compromise the safety we have a family, we have a baby, um it would.

O

Absolutely compromise, oh, can you hear me, can you hear me? Okay, yes, ma'am keep going.

H

Yeah yeah all right, perfect. Okay, um so it would compromise the safety of our family.

O

Between the noise and the light pollution, aside from that there, the wall that would face that lot.

D

Is the wall where our nursery is for our child? I realize that's not the responsibility of the.

O

Commercial, but we literally live on a private lane. It is gravel, so I'm not sure how that would even.

D

Work um if they built out that way, they would have to remove our private lane if they built out the.

O

Other way, they'd have to remove a gigantic water tower. There are a ton of kids that walk to school.

D

Their century and linton springs right there. They wouldn't have the ability to walk to school.

D

Because crossing ronsdale would be impossible with the amount of traffic that would go in and out.

O

Aside from that, we have a wealth. Everybody on our private lane has a well. We are not on.

O

City water, so there would be contamination of our water supply it could, aside from that, it.

O

Would absolutely negatively impact the resale value of the property? No one will want to move.

D

And live right next to an employment campus or an industrial commercial property. Aside from that.

D

It was our understanding when we bought the house that a farmer actually owned that lot.

O

He let us know, and let our realtor know that he never planned to build on that lot.

O

We roulette known as of september 2020 via mail via postcard, that we found on the ground.

D

It didn't even make it into our mailbox that this was going. They put a sign right there and.

O

Kind of left it alone when we called in about it, we got no response, um so we would absolutely.

D

Strongly vote to rezone that, as like a nature conservation area, we have a ton of wildlife.

D

um It is tall grass next to us, so on that property we have a ton of wildlife that goes through there.

O

I don't know how it would be possible, but it would be extremely dangerous and it would incredibly.

D

Impact us in a negative way being neighbors with a gigantic campus next to us, so I'm not sure how.

O

You build on that, but we don't want to live next to a campus there's no space. Thank you very much.

F

The next speaker is sarah mccormick.

D

Hello, yes, hi hi. This is john.

F

Sir I'll come back to you, we can finish with sarah mccormick.

H

Okay, thank you.

D

uh Yeah right, my name is.

D

Okay, my name is sarah mccormick. I live on the south side of route 26.

D

I

My comments are regarding the employment campus that the last woman just spoke about.

D

The property is currently done at agriculture, and it has been since the 60s.

O

When I hear employment campus, I think of an office park.

O

um But I looked up the code just to get an idea of what we might be in for.

O

And an employment campus can include professional offices, research facilities, medical dental offices.

D

Restaurants bars a hotel, townhouses multi-family dwelling single family home communication towers.

D

And retail spaces up to 60 000 square feet, and that list does not own, because there are many more.

O

Options um and at this point in the process we're just talking about rezoning, we have no idea which.

D

One of those things or combination of those things is going to be planned for that property.

O

um I was under the impression that carroll county owned this parcel and, if that's true.

O

Then my question to them is: what are you going to build there? As the last woman mentioned, it's.

O

Right in her backyard, it literally backs up to her property. It's across the street from century high.

D

Where you've got tons of new teenage drivers going in and out onto that, awful turn onto clean mill.

O

Our kids go to linton springs, parents and kids are up and down that road.

O

All the time I just can't imagine adding more traffic to that area. um Let's see.

O

So just my closing comment is that we don't need to build on that piece of land just because.

O

It happens to be there and nothing's built on it right now. We can keep it as agriculture.

D

We can keep it as a nice home for wildlife in that lady's backyard. Thank you.

F

And that includes I'm sorry uh bill mccormick.

D

Hi, um I'm calling you say you're coming back to john backus, I will come back when it's that.

F

Property I'll call that property again. If we can finish up with the comments for this property.

F

Okay, uh thank you. I'm calling in opposition to the request by the carroll county government to.

D

Resign, the property adjacent to linton springs elementary school on century high school.

D

To an employment campus, I've been trying to keep track of what the county is doing with all.

D

These resumes- and I can say that honestly, this is without a doubt the absolute worst idea. I've seen.

D

Yet and I've seen quite a few terrible ideas put forth by the county, this one in particular really.

D

Just makes me question, I don't know what you guys are thinking. You know for a group of you to sit.

D

Down as a group and actively decide that what is needed around schools during peak travel times.

D

Is more traffic is just mind-boggling to me, and you've got children of all ages being bused in.

D

During peak commute hours, you've got teenagers just learning how to drive out on these roads.

D

And the county wants to have more traffic by having an employment campus. It's just crazy.

D

Seriously, how do you rationalize that this seems like a clear money grab at the expense of the.

D

Safety of our kids and if this property really is owned by the county, that kind of means that our.

D

Tax dollars go toward maintaining it, so you know shouldn't that mean that the residents really have.

D

A direct say in what happens to the land: if you really want this property to be rezoned, let the.

D

People vote on it put it on the ballot. Now you are living this in this pie in the sky field of dreams,.

D

Mentality where you think, if you build it, they will come. Commercial leases are down drastically.

D

Due to the current pandemic in some research shows that they might never return to previous levels.

D

Let alone surpass them. No one is coming at least not for the next 20 years. Even a recent traffic.

D

Study by you stated that this area won't be fully developed until 2040.. I've not.

D

Heard a single freedom resident say that they're against smart work, not one but the type of rapid.

D

Indecisive, throw the dart at the map. Rezoning that you are all doing is just going to introduce.

D

So much blight into our community that it will inevitably pull property values into a tailspin.

D

So many irreversible mistakes have already been made and when we're looking back on it.

D

This is the period of time that this is the board of commissioners that will be responsible for.

D

Driving people away from carroll county instead, instead of bringing them to carolina. Thank you.

F

That was the last comment for these properties. I'm going to go back to c207202024.

F

Which is the property located at the intersection of 97 and 32 south of westminster and john bacchus?.

G

Yes, can you hear me yes good evening, I think it's safe to say that my property would be most.

D

Affected by commercial development at this site, I live a 1750 sexual road directly across the street.

D

I have to believe that the entrance would be directly close to my property as well.

D

Not only will this create more traffic volume, but ultimately it would decrease my property value.

D

My wife and I have poured a lot of money and sweat equity equity into improving our property and.

D

Would like to stay here, however, if the property across the street is rezoned and a commercial site.

D

Is imminent, I feel I'll have to move. My neighbor has made several improvements to his home as well.

D

And I feel that commercial building at this site would ruin the integrity of the area.

D

Which consists of historic homes and farms. Thank you for your time.

F

Thank you. There are no comments for c no commenters for c one zero. Three, two zero.

F

Two: zero: zero, zero; two seven, the next property is c, two: zero, five: two: zero: two: zero: zero, zero.

F

Two eight, and that is long meadow farm llc at bennett, road in sykesville, the first speaker.

F

Is kim medeja? Excuse me this is mayor rockenberg. What are you calling memory.

D

Property, if it's going to be another couple hours, I'm just going to get off the phone.

F

Order and so that property is identified as ec13202030.

F

um If the commission would like to take comment for that now and I'll leave that to them, I've.

D

Just never sat for two hours at a hearing, but that's fine. It's up to the commissioners.

A

Yeah with all due respect, uh mr mayor, first of all, good evening, we were going to take these in order.

A

um So we're trying to we're trying to work our way down through them as fast as we can uh so.

A

I know we already called this property. uh If, if um we can, we can throw yours up next, if you, if you.

A

Would desire, but we'd like to go since we called this one we'd like to go ahead with this one.

D

Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Thank you, okay, let's do two eight uh linda and then okay, then we'll.

A

Do 29 but we'll uh let's go to two eight right now and go on with with um who you called.

D

Good afternoon or good evening, commissioners, um I would just like to comment um from the beatty box.

D

For a moment, I listened earlier to your earlier meeting and I was really.

D

Pleased to hear commissioner wants speak so much about transparency, because that's something that.

D

We've discussed so much during this process with the freedom plan and I hope that you can.

D

Understand that people are still concerned um because we were denied our due process.

D

In the pre previous meetings that were held about some of these properties not only along baby but.

D

Along the property along reece road, no one virtually no one- was.

D

Notified in a timely manner about those meetings- and we did not have our chance to speak.

D

um Again, nothing really has changed here, the baby property being changed to commercial.

D

Does not fit with the character of the neighborhood that has not changed in the past.

D

40 plus years the county has allowed all of this residential development around the baby property.

D

Why they don't have to conform to us now is really something I don't understand.

D

And to me this sounds like more of a case of spot zoning than anything else, and that's.

D

Where you take a small piece of property outside of a big property and rezone, that.

D

Differently than everything that surrounds it, we have you know numerous residential.

D

Low medium density, housing around this property, no commercial or industrial anywhere.

D

I would also like to mention real quickly. I heard a couple of different attorneys speaking.

D

About heavily regulated process here- and I really find that objectionable, because these.

D

Traffic studies and other infrastructure studies are not done until after there is a site plan.

D

Which is very backwards from any place that I have ever heard.

G

Also, excuse me sorry.

N

Sorry, and also yes, these infrastructures are initially paid by a developer, but that is only.

D

The initial cost, and after that citizens pay for these improvements in taxes for years and years.

D

Afterwards, excuse the noise and thank you for allowing me to speak. Thank you.

F

Okay, the next speaker is thomas vinson,.

P

Good evening uh I live at 1690 bennett road, I'm directly across from the property in question.

P

I appreciate your time and consideration. I strongly consider the comments and letters from.

P

Me my concerns about kind of hit, some of the highlights um we're not against development. We're.

P

Against development that is either unnecessary or isn't consistent with the surrounding area.

P

Once the property is zoned in a certain manner, the property and or developer may develop anything.

P

They want within the spinning category, even if it's not beneficial for the surrounding area.

P

Because there was at least a general concept for the size and types of businesses.

P

That a developer was targeting that might help gain some support from the community. The whole.

P

Idea of waiting until after the site plan it's too late, you can't do anything else to affect change.

P

The statement in the freedom plan that the government will not attempt to fundamentally.

P

Transform communities against the will of existing homeowners and residents.

P

The government will respect the character of the community and his neighbors.

P

We live in a low density, residential area for a reason it's to escape the busy hustle and.

P

Bustle it's to have some peace and tranquility; that is our quality of life. We feel that the.

P

Initial plan back in 2017 to have the entire baby property all 120 acres zone c3 when there.

P

Are surrounding low to medium density, residential was egregious some community.

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Members feel that this current zoning plan was the best compromise we could get. I think it's.

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Ridiculous that there's ever consideration to have 120 acres of high density commercial in that space.

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Residents did not choose to build homes next to a busy commercial space. The county has allowed.

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The residential development to be built long before there was consideration for commercial.

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Development there, the property should conform to the surrounding area. Commercial development is not.

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Consistent with the light industrial space of the east, while some commercial development is allowed.

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Within light industrial, it is significantly limited compared to any of the commercial zones.

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The amount of traffic generated by light induction was significantly lower than the commercial.

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Development, the small residential buffer that is proposed is a minimalistic approach to try to.

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Provide some cover to commercial development. We are concerned that overcrowding at the local.

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Schools, especially freedom elementary may prevent the residential buffer from being killed. We feel.

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That any commercial development should not occur until the residential buffer is constructed for at.

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Least, at the same time, we are concerned that other planned and prospective residential communities.

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Will only further put stress on the local school system and may further limit any any building of.

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That residential buffer, we're also concerned about impacted property values. The type of people who.

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Want to buy homes on larger lot sizes are also the type of people that don't want to live next.

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To a busy commercial space, are we likely going to see a significant decline in property value.

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We are concerned about traffic impact on bennett road, despite the ingress ingress, egress being via.

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Progress way, we're concerned at some point five to ten years from now, the commercial development will.

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Want other points of access we're concerned that homes in the residential buffer will want access.

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To their neighborhood, which may provide additional access to the commercial.

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Development unintentionally, more commercial space is not needed.

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In an area, that's not adjacent to major roads, efforts should be focused towards developing.

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Existing vacant commercial lots or making commercial lobs with direct access from maine.

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We recognize that, based on the freedom future land use designations, that commercial development is.

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Likely to foregone conclusion, we would at least recommend changing the acreage to the lower side.

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Of what was requested, 15 to 20 acres recommend reducing the density to c1, creating natural.

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Buffer on the north and east side of commercial space, we want assurances that no other commercial.

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Development is allowed in the future we want. We would cross that no access ever be allowed to.

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Benefit road either now or in the future. We would also request that commercial development is not.

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Built after the residential buffer is built on, and it's created as part of the residential community.

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That's all I have for you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. The next speaker, gary windham,.

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Hi, can you hear me okay? Yes, okay, um so I have several points to make. uh First, uh as mr vinson.

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uh uh Spoke about the freedom community master plan as a glaring law. uh I think that's law is.

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The presence of a c2, medium density, commercial intrusion into the currently zoned light.

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Industrial property, the aka, the speedy property. Now this place's commercial business is less.

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Than 400 feet from the r 40 000 existing homes, and I'm not talking about our 40 000 clustered.

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Homes where the properties are actually a half an acre, I'm referring to actual one acre residential.

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Existing properties, this flaw needs to be corrected in the master plan. It was put in place.

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In spite of strong public resistance, my second uh comment is that the concept of clustering is to me.

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A slight of hand trick used by the county and developers to weasel less costly homes.

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Into lower density, zoned areas it effectively cheats on the zoning designation.

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In the best of circumstances, it allows roughly the same number of homes to be built as a conventional.

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Layout, but in one half of the area, if you want to build a house on a quarter of an acre lot,.

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You should have to have it zoned r5000, not r10, 000 and clustered. Let's call a spade a spade.

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My third comment has to do with the recently proposed zoning rules, change that will remove.

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The requirement for developers to present a conventional plan for a new neighborhood.

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And that is to say lot sizes commensurate with the intent of the zoning designation.

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This prohibits developers from counting on at the present unbuildable land in the number of.

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Houses they can build proposed change in the uh in the text removes the conventional plan.

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Requirement a clustering would become the norm under this proposal.

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What's worse, the unbuildable land would become a potentially useless portion of the community space.

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Potentially, in some developments they could be all of it. The beatty property is a perfect.

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Example of this part of the property that is requested to be zoned r, 20 000 as a cemetery.

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There's every expectation that this cemetery will become part of the community space. How will future.

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Residents of this property put the cemetery to use. One can only wonder uh my fourth comment.

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Revolves around the betty r 20 000 zoning request and the fact that it is immediately adjacent to.

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The ongoing c2 commercial zoning request on a different part of the same property. How can.

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The placement of our 20 000 homes, presumably half acre homes, be appropriate next to a c2 commercial.

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Property, it just doesn't make sense to please deny the c2 commercial zoning change, request and I'll.

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Go along with the r 20 000 request that they build homes on half, acre lots, no clustering, these homes.

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Will be adjacent to the light industrial property, but that makes a lot more sense.

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Than being adjacent to c2 commercial property, so in summary, please just say no to the c2 commercial.

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Zoning change on the baity property and please say no, the elimination of the requirement for.

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A conventional layout on new developments uh call a spade a spade. Thank you very much.

F

Thank you, the next speaker, brian wolfe,.

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Brian wolfe, okay, I'm gonna move on to the next speaker, justin.

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Moore justin moore.

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Okay, I'm gonna move on to jennifer vinson.

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Hi, I'm here so um can you hear me.

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Yeah jennifer go ahead. Okay, so my husband just spoke a couple callers ago and I don't need to.

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Reiterate what he already has said, I agree with all this points. um I just want to focus.

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On two specific things, um one thing being that I don't believe that the change to c2.

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Is in keeping with the current surrounding zoning? um Currently it's all light industrial and putting.

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This in the center is basically creating an island of commercial development. Inside of the light.

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Industrial, the currently zoned light industrial development. The new proposed request to change.

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Some of the land to r20 would then surround a significant portion of it with residences.

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And would continue to have a a commercial parcel in the center of residential and light industrial.

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Zone properties, the other point that I wanted to bring up. We talked about it early in september.

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With the planning and zoning committee is the fact that the r20 request is supposed to be a.

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It's a proposed resolution to a lot of the residents concerns about this commercial.

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Development creating this buffer. However, we are definitely concerned that the residential.

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Buffer may have its own difficulties, given specifically the issues with the school capacity.

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I know at the beginning of this year before covet hit, they were working on.

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Handling some redistricting to address some of the capacity issues. And if we move forward with the c2.

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Proposal and rezone and the residential buffer is unable to be built or is halted. How long will we.

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Be dealing with commercial development without the residential buffer. That was what was promised as.

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Mitigation to many of the residents concerns, so that's all I have thank you for your time.

F

Okay, the next speaker is danny phillips.

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Hi good evening, I just want to echo some of this. The comments that have already been made about.

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This property- and I did submit comments in writing as well. We certainly have concerns about increased.

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Traffic, uh the residential buffer as jennifer was just discussing, and the fact that that will not be.

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Approved to be r20 until after the c2 commercial rezone is approved, we have.

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Concerns about increased noise pollution, light pollution, trash and obviously effect on the.

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Schools, the school capacity if the residential is built, we also have concerns about it, not being.

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Consistent with the residential and industrial zoning nearby so just wanted.

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To echo those comments that were made by others- and I thank you for your time tonight-.

F

Thank you. The next speaker, michael.

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Mulcaid, yes, the commissioner is hi. This is mike mckay, I'm the resident of bandy avenue.

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Another version of bennett, monroe avenue band, the avenue, opposed department of planning and.

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Recognition are favorable. We oppose that recommendation. This zoning proposal change.

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Was fought with vigor at a reasoning planning commission held in 20 2018, I believe at the.

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South carolina center, many residents expressed a concern for similar change proposal. Back then.

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And many residents expressed the displeasure of this change proposal at this time and hearing.

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As was said many times and hearing uh in other properties, the county has short industrial land.

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And this partial should not be changed. The space of the county already has its own commercial high.

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Along liberty, road are not well used both fully outfitted with functioning businesses.

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Commercial leases are down due to coven, and there are businesses close and their businesses.

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Closing creating extra commercial space through businesses- this is a quiet residential area.

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That will be extremely negatively impacted by the move to commercial activity, both from vehicular.

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Traffic and for light pollution and other pollution that these businesses will create.

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Traffic being sent down bennett road wouldn't attack the resident's daily lives. This is a highly.

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Used vote for walking, running and riding children walking to school liberty high school. This is a.

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Poor location for high commercial use accessible only in industrial park and eventually through the.

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Proposed residential medium zone, again, as I said many times in this hearing, the county is short.

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Of the industrial land and this partition should not be changed. Thank you for your consideration.

F

And the last speaker I have on the list for this property is brooks leahy.

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Hello, uh hello, commissioners, uh can you hear me.

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Yeah go ahead, mr leahy. Thank you very much. uh I represent the property owners and I.

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I do want to say from the beginning addressing many of the comments of the of the community.

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Is that originally it was recommended this bc3 high density? We expressly asked it for it to be c2.

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Medium density and the reason we did that is, if it's zone c2, we have the opportunity of having.

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Over 55 housing on the c2 property and, frankly, all of the interest that we have received over.

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Many years by developers there's been no real interest in commercial and everybody.

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We've spoken to is interested in doing over 55 on the c2. That's what the market is doing.

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We have also recently asked that the c2 be pushed further south, which let which allows for more r20.

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As a buffer between the c2 and bennett road, we think that makes a better plan and uh basically.

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We've asked that the property, the 30 acres of sea, to be shifted further south, um so that it's just.

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Close to where progress avenue comes or progress, road comes in, so the plan is for this area to be.

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Residentially developed and I think it will be consistent with the community. That's there.

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And so I'd like the community to be aware of that. We're not really looking at any kind of.

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Heavy commercial, in fact, the only interest of the c2 is the over 55 housing that can be put there.

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um And I think that makes a nice transition, then the r20 surrounding it uh would all be. You know.

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Single-Family residential homes and, frankly, very high-end single-family homes, which is what the.

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Market in eldersburg is so. Those would be my comments. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

F

Thank you, and that was the remaining person I had for that piece of property I'm going to skip over.

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The 29 property and move to ec one three: two: zero in the event of showing respect here to those that.

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Are waiting linda uh in the interest of of the uh the time of mayor rockenberg? I would suggest.

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That we allow him to speak on this one and then go back to 29, because there have been folks waiting.

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Just as long as as everyone else, uh but I know his time is of value so if mayor rockenberg is on here.

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Allow him to speak on on that and then we'll go back to 29.. Okay, thank you so much. It sounds good.

F

um So ec one three: two: zero: two: zero: zero: zero, three zero: this is the whole bay colburn property.

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Located uh just north of mount airy off of 27 and the first speaker we have is mayor, pat rockenburg,.

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Thank you very much. Thank you, commissioner. Lance I'd like to thank the other commissioners as you.

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Know as an elected public servant after this call I'll be spending several hours on social media and.

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Emails with my constituents that are also your constituents. uh Thank you for also reminding me.

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Why I will probably never run for carroll county, commissioner, you all are doing a great job and a.

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Hard one, I I appreciate it. I'd also like to thank your planning department, who unanimously again.

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Unanimously voted against this property being rezoned, uh unlike other properties tonight that.

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I've been hearing uh they've noted other concerns very similar to each other. This is a very large.

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Property of 100 acres that is adjacent to 259 acres. We are discussing with the county to change.

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The zoning uh so including this it would total over 350 acres bordering an existing municipality.

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Honestly, we prefer greenbelt, all municipalities should have it. It's good planning. You all know.

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That we know that your planning department knows that, and we feel it helps us becoming.

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By having a green belt would help us continue to be your largest capital income producer.

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And we're already your second largest municipality next to westminster,.

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We don't want to connect to taylorsville. This is looking awfully close to doing that. um We'd.

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Also be okay with the 259 acre, leisure, harrison property not being developed, but we understand.

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Unlike on other properties, this is owned by the county and has been transferred to the ida.

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So we are discussing this property, although there are serious concerns.

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uh And to add another 100 acres is very inappropriate on every level.

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Add to the additional increases, such as the 100 acre increases.

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And overall impact to our incorporated municipality, it would have a huge.

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Impact on mount airy as a municipality, please follow the recommendation of your.

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Planning department and thank you I'll, let you get back to business.

A

All right, thank you. Thank you, mr mayor. We appreciate that and- and we do appreciate.

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Your time as well as an elected official, all right, linda, if we could go back now to 29.

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And get back in the order? uh Absolutely okay! So now we're going to go to i2042.

F

Roy d, poole or tumbleweed express 1545 old westminster pike in westminster.

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The first speaker I have is kim piper.

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Hi um hi, I'm kimberly piper, my husband craig and I own the property in 1623.

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Old westminster pike, where we have lived for the last 28 years, can you hear me.

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Yes, ma'am, okay, I didn't see the clock ticking. That's why I'm sorry all right! Well, anyway, we've.

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Lived here for 20, the last 28 years, where there's one house between our house and the pool farm.

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With our backyard um backing up to the farm, we have seen many changes in our.

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Neighborhood in this time, the appearance of tumbleweed express just being won.

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And that's what it felt like the dairy farm that I moved so close to turned into a busy.

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Trucking company, with trucks going in and out, 24 7.- some are very considerate, others not at all.

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But still the majority leave trucks running for extended periods of time.

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The noise of the trucks running along with the smell of diesel exhaust is terrible. The noise from.

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The building where work on the trucks is done goes on into all hours of the night on a building that.

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Is not known for working on trucks throughout all of this, there has been numerous zoning violations.

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I have documented these in my letter letter that I emailed to the commissioners.

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The planning commission also has documented these violations in their presentation. We realized the.

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Trucking company is not going anywhere but asked the commissioners to take our rights as property.

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Owners into consideration, unlike the zoning administrator and the bga, which did not so we.

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Are asking for the rezoning and expansion request for the property at 15 45 feet old west? Mr pike.

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To be denied, as the planning commission recommended, the non-conforming use has.

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Not stopped tumbleweed express from building a lucrative business with over 30 trucks. This.

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Rezoning is an example of spot, resulting since only tumbleweed express for us will be benefiting.

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From this change in zoning and expansion, I would like to thank the planning, commission and staff.

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For answering my many calls and emails and being so very helpful. Lastly, I would like to repeat my.

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Request to the commissioners about doing a drive by of the property, many that are being considered.

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Are close by and could be looked at in a short time. Thank you for your time. Bye.

F

The next speaker I have is craig piper.

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Hello, craig piper. Yes, we can hear you hello. I am craig piper approximately 28 years ago.

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My wife and I purchased property at 1623 old westminster pike, which we now own and reside.

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Then known as village of reefs, it was a beautiful neighborhood with a mix of farms and homes. I have.

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Since seen my community grow in many ways, hundreds of acres of farm disappeared to hundreds of homes.

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The pool farm which backs or which my backyard backs up to and is also grown from, a dairy farm.

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With cows, mooing in an occasional tractor or truck moving hay or semi to pick up milk.

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Occasionally, cows escaping to my yard. I would send my son to let mr pool know that his cows were out.

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All right next limo showed up then building limos.

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We then moved up to approximately four trucks and customizing a chrome shop for semi trucks.

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Later, the number of trucks grew, some trucks showed up something filled behind the farm building.

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More and more buildings showed up more trucks. The noise grew the bagging.

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And the air tools of them working on trucks for all hours of the day and night I went from.

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Commodore smell to diesel exhaust smell, rather cow smell smell of diesel, gives you headaches.

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Luckily, I have air conditioning since you can't open the windows in the summer.

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Due to the smell and noise, I realize the trucks are going nowhere, but to let tumbleweed grow.

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Is a great injustice to a growing community? We don't need tumbleweed express to expand or.

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To be changed to an exhaust industrial zoning of any kind, save our wells from leaking trucks.

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Our air, from constant smell of diesel exhaust and our homes, from dropping in value.

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Traffic on old westminster pike has grown in leaps and bounds, disappearing farmland by hundreds of.

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Acres to hundreds of homes, instead more homes mean more children, more traffic, the school the park.

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School buses, construction, traffic and just more traffic periods keep this area safe.

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As a community to raise children, keep our property values from dropping who wants to.

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Buy a five to six hundred thousand dollar home in an industrial district. Please vote no to.

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Rezoning, your expansion of double weed, express and keep our community safe for future families.

D

When I moved here, people told me I was moving to god's country. Let's keep it that way. Thank you.

F

Thank you. The next speaker is ernest. I do not have a last name so ernest.

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Ernest are you on the line.

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I'm going to move on to the next speaker, then tom reese.

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Tom reese: are you on the line.

F

Moving on to the next speaker, scott knutson good evening, thank you for uh thank you for your time. um We live next door to um humble.

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Weed the trucking company. Now we bought our house probably five years ago. um It's a wonderful place.

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Up here in carroll county, we we did not expect to have um a trucking company next door, that.

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Started illegally was not enforced. um It started on one acre or land now they're asking to go to.

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Five acres of land, um they the planning documents that you have only show three or four trucks. You.

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Go back there and look now, there's 30 trucks back there. If they go to five acres, you know he hasn't.

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Followed the rules, yet the planning commission planning zoning board hasn't enforced. The laws.

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It's the history of his actions of him and his attorneys or lawyers have not.

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Shown that he plans to follow the rule of law, which each of you have ran on.

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To your positions, um I am opposed to having him expand or have, or- and I ask that you.

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Vote no on taking an illegal business and the legal use of land to make it legal. That is.

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That's not what we that's, not what our country is based on, taking something illegal vote it to make it legal um anyway. Thank you.

F

Thank you, the next speaker, leslie knutson, um unlike all of the well really, I think, kim and craig piper said it best. I could.

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Just reiterate everything they said, but, unlike a lot of the properties that were mentioned tonight,.

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uh Where they say this is beside a huge agricultural area, it's not really.

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Impacting that many homes, while this farm is a relatively large farm, a hundred and some acres.

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The actual property in question is right: smack dab in the middle of a lot of homes.

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You can just look at it on the map and I'm sure you've been down all with mr pike before.

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So it has not had the decades of use that other businesses have said where they're just trying.

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To quote: make it legal, you know the non-conforming use it. We moved in, like scott said five years ago,.

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We couldn't see trucks in our backyard. I came home from work monday and I had to put my face.

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On my shirt to walk from my car to my house, it was a very foggy day and on humid days, which maryland.

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Sees a few of that diesel fuel just sits there in the humidity, and you can't even enjoy your own.

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Backyard ms schaefer had come back at the end of our comments on the bza meeting on october.

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7Th and said several things that it seemed like our community was mostly worried about traffic.

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Which is not true, we're mostly worried about water, sound noise fumes. He said we thought that it would.

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Go away if we voted against us, we don't think the business is going away. What we know for a fact.

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Is if it's expanded to five acres, which four and a half whatever he's going to expand to.

D

Four and a half acres- our well is 50 feet deep, so um they talked about how also another comment was.

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If there's any redevelopment, I've heard this comment mentioned tonight on other properties.

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He'll have to meet site plan regulations and we'll have to comply with any well or water concerns.

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And if not, there will be no redevelopment. Why in the world, would he not be.

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Would he be applying for this if he didn't want a redevelopment right, so um why can't he comply with.

D

Well and water concerns now under the existing use. Why do we have to wait for this? Zoning change for.

D

That but just like the planning commission or the at the bca meeting, they agreed that this is just.

D

Too close to too many homes to do this, and I would ask also that you not allow it to expand, and I do.

D

Appreciate your time, I'm sure you're about to fall asleep after all this stuff. So thank you so much.

F

Thank you for your comments and the final comment I have for this property.

F

Is kelly shaffer? Thank you, commissioners. um I am here tonight with roy poole who's sitting next to.

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Me but I'll speak on his behalf. um This property lies on old, west westminster pike, as you've heard.

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The initial request was from ag to i2, since that initial request, we submitted an amended request.

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Revising that to i1 on 4.52 acres of property, we pulled in the area a little bit, but just to.

D

Put this in context, the total property is over 100 acres. Mr poole is a lifelong carroll. County farmer.

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And has taken this over from his father and just for some historical context.

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Over over the years has farmed much of the property that now has residences on it. Along that.

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Stretch of old western pike: this is the property where he lives with his family and the property.

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That he hopes to one day pass down to his son, which is part of the reason he's submitted. This.

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Request he has maintained true agricultural use of the rest of the property. That is a use that has.

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Only been maintainable because of the industrial nature of this small portion of the property.

D

This this property does have quite a zoning history in terms of non-conforming use cases.

D

Starting with the zoning administrator hearing and most recently, culminating in a bza hearing,.

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This is not, I would say to you: this is not inconsistent with the carroll county master plan.

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This is providing for the continued use of this site, in the same nature that it is currently used.

D

Furthers the agricultural use of the rest of the property, and also just from a pure.

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Procedural standpoint I'll say you know, part of this comprehensive process was breaking it out.

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And doing industrial and commercial first and then going to residential and then going to ag.

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And conservation we haven't gotten to ag yet so to say that this is contrary to um the the ag.

D

uh Land use or the ag zone I that I'm a little bit lost there. I think that this is in keeping with.

D

The master plan there has been growth in this area, as has been described by some of the neighbors.

D

We are well aware of that, and mr poole has has also grown over the years. This.

O

This also is a use that has, although you've heard from several neighbors, who oppose the.

D

Use, if you look at to the record you'll see several neighbors who've actually.

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Submitted letters supporting this use, so this is a community friendly business that mr poole.

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Runs- and I also just want to clarify- there's been some misstatements about the way the.

D

Property's been run, this property is in full conformance. Mr poole has done everything he.

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Needs to do and has been required to do with the county from that perspective, will continue to do.

D

That so thank you for your consideration and we look forward to the public hearing.

F

Thank you, and that concludes uh comments on that property. Going back to ec13202030, colburn hover.

F

Bay ridge, road maryland 27 mount airy and the first speaker I have is diane perne diane perny.

F

Okay, I'm going to move on then to brandon rakes.

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Hi, uh first of all, thanks for uh letting me uh speak, uh I know it's been a long night. You guys.

D

Still got a little bit more to go, um but yeah I've lived in the mountain area for 20 years.

D

I was in nottingham within the town limits and moved to falling greenway.

D

Which the property uh backs up to, um as mayor pat said, with the harrison elijah property, which is.

D

Roughly 250 acres being developed, we don't need another additional 100 acres, developed program.

D

From what I read typically, this zoning has access to public sewer and water, which it.

D

Currently does not, and from my understanding of near past, stated that the town of mount airy.

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Is not planning on annexing this property or providing that water.

D

There's plenty of land to be developed within the current town limits uh with covid and I've heard.

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Some people uh speak even uh about comments going away and things will go back to normal.

G

uh I disagree with that statement. People are, physicians, are realizing even mine, like that.

G

From working from home, uh look at facebook and google, these are some of the companies that have.

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Changed their stances and are letting people work and groom many other technical companies.

D

Another concern that I have with this property is the life solution that will be in my backyard.

G

As part of this, the tree line is thin and during the winter time, when there's no leaves.

G

uh What that'll be also the traffic on 27 is already horrible. It takes with the new lights.

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That they just put in with marilyn 27 it increased the time for me to get out of my neighborhood.

D

uh I'm worried about the impact on the wildlife that is back there. I'm also worried about.

D

Crime uh with people coming in and potentially selling drugs or doing whatever you did overnight.

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uh And not having the police to enforce it. I'm I'm concerned also with the property value.

D

Of my house, I didn't move here to be uh have a employment campus in the back of my property.

G

I'm also concerned about the water supply of the aquifer, with even just the hl property.

D

And the 250 acres that they're developing to plan on developing there, and so uh I.

D

Ask that you guys both know on changing this uh property. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

F

Thank you. um The next person I have is john breeding, I'm not sure he'll be joining us.

F

So I don't know if there's anyone else from the town of mount airy on the line.

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Is there anyone from the town of mount airy that wishes to speak.

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Yes, are you a town representative, I'm vice chair of the mount airy planning commission.

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Okay, what is your name, sir? My name is bill. Butts.

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Okay, go ahead bill all right um compared to uh the proposed rezoning and development of the coburn.

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Over bay parcel, um really, the greater priority is the annexation of the harrison last year, property.

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For the proposed agreement between the county, represented by the industrial development.

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Authority, the ida and the town, that's in tandem with a multi-year development of the comparison.

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Of share property in designated areas, there's a significant rationale for that. It includes that.

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The town already has available infrastructure in place, as well as a very, very detailed ope office.

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Professional and employment campus ordinance, it's been in existence for since 2013 our last.

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Master plan upgrade when we realized that, although our priority was in-field development, if there.

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Was a reasonable reason to consider annexation, expansion of the town boundary we'd, look at it.

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The only thing that made sense was development. The potential development of the harrison share.

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Property about that same time, ida approached us and we've been talking with them ever since.

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We've been developing a plan together that benefited both the county and the town.

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As a result of accomplishing that annexation and harrison last year, development, the town.

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Has infrastructure in place? We also gain additional water resources. We gain.

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Upwards of 85 acres of additional park land for the town.

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Most important we gain potential over time and it'll take a long time to do it and we'll make.

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Sure it's done appropriately additional tax revenue from the ope development on the parcel.

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And mixed-use development on center street, it has the potential to improve the town's current.

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Ratio of commercial and industrial versus residential tax revenue that will help us.

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Stabilize residential tax rates over time, in addition, uh the town's office park, employment.

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Ope district was specifically designed immediately following our upgrade of our master plan, update.

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With the harrison last year, property in mind, the opee ordinance was created.

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By our town planning commission, it's targeted in a focused template specifically for that parcel.

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Quite simply, it offers several advantages over the employment campus district, that's being proposed.

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By the county to the north of harrison last year, for all these many reasons, we sincerely request.

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That you consider holding back on the rezoning of that cobra that coburn hover bay property.

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Let us proceed in concert with the county in terms of hair solution. Okay, and you wait to do anything.

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For the time being, for that property above us, the greater opportunity for both the county and mount.

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Airy is proper development and consideration of the utilization of harrison this year.

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Thank you, the next speaker, bethany miller, hi hi. Can you hear me yes,.

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Great um hi, everyone, my family and I moved to mount airy from pennsylvania about two years ago.

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This community appealed to us because of the small town vibe and the open space that just.

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Isn't found in other nearby overly developed communities as one of my neighbors recently.

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Put it on another zoning meeting, what we have here in mount airy is special. Our property backs right.

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Up to this colburn hulver bay property, we are one of the many local residents here in falling green.

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That will be directly impacted if this property is rezoned from conservation land to an employment.

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Campus, my first concern is environmental impact. More than half of this land is forest cover.

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And includes streams, two different wetland areas and a freshwater pond is damaging this area.

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With deforestation, pollution, soil erosion, reduced air quality and impacts to local water sources,.

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Our water sources really worth it for a couple of office. Buildings.

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Office buildings that really in a post-pandemic world may be difficult to find occupants for.

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My second concern is the economic growth strategy. The chapter 15 master plan goal is to.

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Promote a healthy economy and additional employment opportunities by focusing on the.

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Development and redevelopment of existing vacant and underutilized commercial and industrial.

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Properties with the current economic state and many local businesses, either crumbling or moving.

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To virtual work environments possibly permanently, I would recommend that an economic growth plan.

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First, focus on bringing business into existing vacant buildings versus creating more spaces.

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That may too go vacant. There is no doubt that an employment campus right next to our neighborhood.

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Will negatively impact residents from decreased property value to increase traffic light pollution.

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Noise pollution: how would this employment, campus source, water and sewage treatment.

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Could our well water be impacted as a result, how much water pollution would be discharged back into.

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The environment, our environment as a result. Lastly, I just want to say that rezoning conservation, land.

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To an employment campus is inconsistent with our community's values. We value clean air and water.

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We value open green space parks and farmland. We value small business. We value living in an.

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Area that is not overly saturated with office parks, hotel buildings and traffic mount airy.

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Is a great place to live, let's keep it that way. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker bill lassner.

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Bill lassner.

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I'm going to move on to the next person brian, and I do not have a last name for you. Brian.

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Yes good evening, uh thank you for allowing our family the opportunity to speak and thanks.

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For your service to the county, my name is brian compton and our property is on locals.

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Road and is adjacent to this parcel. We've lived at this address for over 16 years and.

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Withdrawn a mount area, especially this property based on its peaceful and serene surroundings,.

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And knowing we were bordered by over 150 acres of conservation, land topography speaking our property.

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Includes some of the lowest elevations in this immediate area and we cheerfully enjoy middle run.

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Its natural surroundings and abundant wildlife, our family, as with the others, are extremely concerned.

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With the drastic changes that are being proposed to our little slice of heaven, as we try to digest.

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What the 250 acre harrison light shear annexation has the ability to do to our town. We are now faced.

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With another partial requesting a similar zoning change that, in our opinion, isn't needed, this would.

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Be a huge disruption to the community balance and our property values and quality of life.

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Will suffer the town of mount airy has already completed well and often for testing for the.

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Harrison lyshear property and I'll tend on drawing over 200, 000 gallons of water daily, which is.

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Shown to run towards the maximum limits without supposedly direct impacts to the adjacent wells.

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Only time will tell now you're looking at the need to provide probably another 75, 000 gallons a day.

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To this park, for whatever it may need, the town has already voiced its objection to the request for.

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This rezoning and that they would not provide any support or infrastructure for this parcel.

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Discussions regarding the development of the harrison last year, parts will include.

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Undefined conditions designed to protect the adjacent properties protection will we.

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Be given will the infrastructure need it for this rezoning supply the proposed use without causing.

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Unreasonable impacts to our wells, what will be the impact of middle run and its tributaries.

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Another concern that we have is its intended use if this were to be re-zoned, although shown as an.

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Employment campus, the regulations permitted uses of an employment campus, as you know, include hotels,.

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Businesses, offices, conference, centers and general retail up to 60 000 square feet. Are these really.

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Needed there are vacant buildings in and around town that existed prior to the pandemic and all.

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Indications are that the need for these type of campuses will be less after the pandemic. To echo.

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The concerns of the mayor of mount airy and the town's planning commission during the september.

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Meeting this request is yet to show that it has or will have the infrastructure necessary to sustain.

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That maryland 27 has or will have the capacity to handle the additional traffic and the overall.

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Impact to the area, both the harrison light, shear property and this property are both developed. No.

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One has thought these flew together and we agree with the county's planning commission on that.

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Now is not the right time and that we ask that you support their unanimous unfavorable vote on this.

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Zoning request we respectfully respectfully request that the commissioners recognize.

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That the timing isn't right, especially with the harrison last year, property in its current state.

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And vote against the rezoning of this property at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Elizabeth house,.

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Yes good evening, can you hear me? Yes, we can right. Thank you, carroll, county commissioners for hosting.

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This public forum, I also live in the falling green neighborhoods, that directly borders this property.

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I urge you to take the planning and zoning recent recommendation and not to rezone this conservation.

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Land to employment campus for the following reasons: prior to their september 30th meeting.

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Public comments were not sought when this land was provisionally approved to be re-zoned.

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No signage was displayed for their september 30th meeting or any prior meetings in residence.

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Who lived directly in impacted neighborhoods were never formally notified for this meeting tonight.

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The closest notification sign to the entrance of my neighborhood was exactly nine tenths of.

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A mile away only through grassroots efforts was our neighborhood informed of this rezoning effort.

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And only through word of mouth and personal connections, where, where residents in other.

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Directly impacted neighborhoods notified during this global pandemic. We feel there is no.

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Need to rush this rezoning, there have been no environmental impact studies conducted as you've.

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Heard a majority of this land is woodlands and wetlands no assessment and traffic has been made.

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There have been already too many fatalities at the entrance of falling green and many near misses.

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Along the stretcher road, the proposed entrance to this development is on a very dangerous blind hill.

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Even during non-rush hour times, this section of route 27 is deadly the homes in this area.

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Have a very lucrative tax basis for the county. I urge you to check the most recent home sales.

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In falling green in winslow farms, and also in the nearby paddocks in charlotte on neighborhoods.

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And you will see, all of these residents are unwell and septic, and it is concerning this development.

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Could collude slow or stop the water supply to our homes and, as a result of this pandemic,.

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Corporations are moving to virtual offices, people are now working from homes and companies are.

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Realizing the great cost savings, as they vacate properties, even sectors of a federal government.

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That had never previously killed a commutant are now telecommuting. We should not put the.

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Cart before the horse and rezone until all these factors are addressed, do not rezone for the sake.

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Of rezoning and do not rush this decision, please fully assess the impacts to the area.

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And then determine if there is a need for this development and then comprehensively.

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Study the results prior to making this choice that will dramatically alter the landscape.

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Safety and living and driving conditions for all residents in this town and in the county. Thank you.

F

Thank you, um and the last speaker that we have for this topic is carol hover.

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Carol: hover: okay, I'm gonna move on to the last property that has comments. I have.

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Three more commenters and then three people who I am not sure what property they're speaking.

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With but I will call their names at the end, the property is c205202031, it is buckman.

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Associates llc located at 1135 liberty, road in sykesville. The first speaker I have is ed cook.

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Okay, I'm gonna move on to the next scott sims.

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Scott sims.

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That concludes the people that I have signed up for that property. I have three additional.

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Names, emily crookston, I do not have the property associated with that commenter.

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Okay, I'm gonna move to the next person. Then russell baker.

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And the final name that I have is angela, but I do not have a last name.

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Is there an angela on the line.

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Commissioners, that concludes all of the speakers.

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Or commenters that I have that have signed up for this evening's meeting.

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Okay, I'll give a final. All call is there anybody on here that did not get a chance to be called on.

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I'm tired of taking notes, I tell you, but I I thank the people who were on here and voice.

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Their concerns tonight you were heard yeah I've got about you ever six pages news.

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I'm gonna give one final: all call is there anybody on the line that has any comments.

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In reference to any of the properties uh that we have talked about this evening,.

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Oh commissioners, hi: this is mike mckay.

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Yes, yes, sir, go ahead, who's property, which property are you speaking of it's a c205 202028.

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Okay, the commissioners should consider another hearing on that property, as you witnessed several.

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Speakers with the opposition that property and other proposed speakers were dropped off.

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With a virtual call, the community's ability to participate in a virtual call were complicated.

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By the process that was not well documented on the public displays more obviously obvious to.

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The elderly and other residents in our community, I feel like there's more opposition out there.

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That were dropped off the call and the fact that the process to get on this call was was.

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Was fairly complicated, not overly complicated, but it was was not uh apparent. The signage out there.

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uh Did not direct you to this process on the website, um so I think that there's.

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Some a lot more opposition to that property that I know of in our community. Thank you.

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Okay, thank you, sir, and I'll remind folks that are still tuned in that you can certainly.

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uh Continue to submit written uh comments as well we're accepting those and have.

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Actually got quite a few of those all right.

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One last all call for anyone who has any comments on any of the properties.

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All right going once going twice.

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Sold, okay, never was much of an auctioneer, but I know they always gave things three.

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Shots and then they sold it. So whatever um any final comments from my colleagues.

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Linda great job uh linda married, the entire team packaging. This for us uh capturing all the.

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Comments from the community um and from your department and the planning commission and getting.

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Us prepared for this, we still have a long ways to go, but I feel like we are much further ahead.

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uh Because of your hard work and uh and efforts, so thanks. Thank you. Actually, I like to echo that.

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um I appreciate everything was done tonight. It was a long evening, but it was well worth it got.

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A lot of good comments, a lot of information I feel like I know the property's much better.

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Than I did before, and I need a copy of weaver's notes and then I'll be perfect.

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I'd like to thank all the people who are patient tonight and participate in it.

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And I think I need to get out and start visiting all these properties and actually.

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Talk to the owners and the people around the properties and get to the heart of.

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This matter, thank you for everyone being patient, okay. um I guess that concludes.

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Don't need immersion on that one, but I think everybody would go uh voting twice on that. One.

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So uh appreciate it, it's been a long day uh to everybody. We truly appreciate all of your uh your.

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Efforts here this evening, as ed says, commissioner rostein we do have a long way to go so uh we're.

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Gonna take our due diligence here and uh anybody who's still on trust us. We will take all of these.

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Comments under advisement and uh we'll we'll work. We have several planning sessions coming up.

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Where we'll discuss these and uh we'll we'll take everything and uh work it as best, we can.

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Linda, thank you to you and you and your staff.

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We got five minutes till 10 o'clock. I mean the news isn't on for five minutes. Anybody want to.

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Bring anything up while we're on never mind. Okay, everybody stay safe. Thank you all very.

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