Carroll County, MD Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission, 3 May 2023

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From YouTube: Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission Work Session May 3, 2023

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The meeting to order and welcome everybody and I'm sad still that mr weathers is not with us, but.

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um I guess we need to move forward so um laura. Can you establish your quorum? Yes, miss kirkner here.

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Mr lester, mr hoff, here mr kane here, mr smith, here, commissioner gordon secretary eisenberg, here.

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Mr chair, please let the record reflect that six members are present and we do have a forum.

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Everybody stands for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to.

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The republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, has everybody had a chance to review the agenda.

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I see it yes, okay. um I will entertain a motion.

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I make a motion: we accept the uh the uh agenda the way it is yeah, [music] a second okay, all in favor.

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All right, okay and approved is right. um uh Administrative report secretary- yes, so tonight's.

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A little bit of a different work session meeting number well good evening. Everyone and thank you to.

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um Our new chair, uh janice kirkner, we appreciate you taking over this vital role. According to our.

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Bylaws the vice chair moves into the chair's position when the uh chair departs um so with.

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That miss curtner is our default chair. uh Just a point of order. Next week we'll be having a our.

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Next planning commission meeting on may 16th, we will be having elections for vice chair. We opted.

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To do this in person, so we could all be together and be able to um establish the vote um in person.

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We also have a little bit of an unusual meeting this evening because you have two uh site plans: a.

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Concept site plan and a final subdivision plan: we typically don't do those on work session meetings.

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But since our last meeting in april had to be limited in time because of budget um and budget.

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Hearings that we had to put these um on tonight's, this on this evening schedule um and then finally,.

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We'll be wrapping up with the transportation master plan, um so I don't anticipate a very.

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Long evening, but just wanted to kind of make you aware that some of these items are out of order.

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um And then also for um largo the clerk. Please note that commissioner gordon has joined us.

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And with that, I will I'll conclude my administrative report. Thank you. All.

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Mentioner gordon, would you like to say anything? No, I don't have anything this.

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Evening but thank you, I appreciate it any other commission members.

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Yes, just a quick question to, I guess to linda any updates on.

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Applicants for the the open positions that we have on the board.

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For gordon, have you.

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Meetings regarding the appointment of new members, um typical boards have done it differently and.

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Our boards have typically done it different in the past. Some have just appointed some of how.

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Interviews and appointed I'm not sure where that stands today. I never received interest.

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No, I appreciate that I actually meant to mention that um we have a number of applicants that we're.

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Going to be, I think, reviewing in the near future, probably within the next week or so. I'm hopeful.

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So we should have something relatively soon: okay, good to hear. Thank you. Okay,.

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um We'll move on to item six, the concept site plan um david: are you there.

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I am, hopefully everybody can hear me. Okay, yes,.

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Perfect well good evening, everybody so as mentioned, this is a little out of the ordinary.

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Here uh but I will try my best to move this through as as smoothly as possible, so that way.

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We're not taking up too much time here so uh david b craft with the bureau of development review, so.

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As I mentioned, we have two projects on the agenda this evening. The first project is the pippin farm.

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Solar facility uh phone number s-21-0030, uh just for the the sake of ease, I see mr ziegler here.

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From clsi the engineer, as well as trey pippen, who is representing the uh developer or the owner and.

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Developer in this scenario, here- um yes, I'm sorry david, mr pippen, you can turn your camera on.

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Okay, perfect, so um what this project is proposing is a ground mounted solar facility within the.

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Industrial zoning district: uh this is before the planning zoning commission as a concept.

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Plan, but it's also uh for a determination regarding a request in setback, modifications.

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So, um as with any concept plan, the planning zoning commission.

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Does uh or they may consider delegating approval of the final plan to the chair.

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Now, before I go too far into this, I just want to note for everybody that this is a solar facility.

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That is within the industrial zoning district. This does not really play a role in reference.

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To the moratorium, that's currently in place for those facilities and the agricultural.

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Setting district, so this was unaffected by that because of the zoning of the property.

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So for those who are unfamiliar, uh the property itself is right on the outskirts of hampstead. It.

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Is south of dallas garland drive, as you can see here, and it is west of phillips drive which is.

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This road right here and as you can see on the screen, this is the hampstead bypass right here.

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So the project right now the project area consists of about 45 and a half acres and it spans across.

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Three parcels, so these are the three parcels that are affected by this project. You have this parcel.

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Here this parcel here as well as this parcel here so unrelated to the site plan process. They are.

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Going through a a division of these two parcels here to break off these industrial zoned areas,.

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Prior to final approval, these two parcels that are being broken off as well as this parcel over.

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Here are going to be consolidated into one parcel. So although the map right now looks a.

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Little confusing um it will all be one cohesive property before we go before um final approval.

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The three properties right now, as you can see from the aerial, consists of agricultural field.

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One property also has a farmhouse this property here, while the property lies outside the municipal.

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Limits of the town of hampstead, it is within hampstead's priority funding area and, as you.

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Can see the project is in light industrial, heavy industrial as well as residential 40 000.. So.

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They're joining properties to the south right here is owned by state highway administration.

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It's also zone industrial and it's undeveloped. The property to the north up here resides within.

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The town limits of hampstead and is currently used for agriculture uh property to the east.

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Are within the residential 40 000 zoning district and are fitted with private residential dwellings.

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So again, this is really the area that we'll be looking at here.

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um Again, this portion of the property will be sectioned off.

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So the developer proposes the installation of a solar facility, as you can see, on the drawing.

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Here so uh just for your bearings, this right here is dos garland, and then this is the bypass.

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So, uh in accordance with code, solar energy conversion facilities are permitted within.

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The industrial zooming district, so um you could see this line here- is the boundary between the.

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Industrial zoning district and the residential 40 000 zoning district- you can see there is a.

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Portion of the property that is going to creep into that residential 40 000 zoning district, but.

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That's simply for the setback from the property line, so you can note from these lines here that.

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All these panels are only residing with that industrial zoom and a new access drive will be.

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uh A way to access the property from north garland, it would lead to a gated entry into the facility.

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And I'll go to the next slide here, so a 10 foot wide landscape buffer is proposed outside the.

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Fence on the northern and the western property boundary here. So, although landscaping is not.

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Required for the manual it is being proposed in conjunction over the request from the developer.

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For the modifications to specific, so in accordance with the zoning code, step back shall be 200 feet.

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From boundaries of all adjoining residentially, zoomed properties and 100 feet from all those.

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Other properties that are non-residentially zoned, so the developer is seeking a setback of.

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50, which is what code allows from all property boundaries uh to the north as well as these to.

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The west so on the north end, actually this portion right here it is this code states that the step xr.

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Can be a hundred feet, uh the developer is seeking that to instead be 50 feet, which is a 50 foot or a.

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50 reduction and then on this property boundary over here, because it is zoned residentially. The.

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Setback requires 200 feet per code and they are seeking a reduction of 50, so it would be 100 feet.

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So, on july, 26 2022, the initial site development plan package, was submitted.

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To development review and distributed to the review agencies, the state plan was subject.

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To citizen involvement on august 22nd of 2022 during the technical review committee meeting.

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There were no citizens and attendance at the meeting. uh There was an email received from a.

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Citizen requesting information as to which trees are being removed from the property we've also.

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Received a couple phone calls from those that have either received postcards or seen the sign out.

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On the property and just inquiring as to what's going on and what kind of trees are being removed.

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But there was no concerns or opposition that were relayed within those conversations.

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And to give a better idea as to how the property looks we'll show some pictures here, so it seems.

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Like I picked the cloudiest day of the year to go out, so they may be a little dark, but this picture.

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Up here shows from dallas garland, looking at the property same as this picture on your top right.

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On your bottom left, this picture is standing um more or less near the entrance of the site.

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Looking back toss garland on the left, you can see portions of the bypass and then on the.

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Right is where the site will be and then on the bottom left. It's just another shot of the garland.

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It's a again, these pictures here are very similar and that they're.

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Just showing a general area as to how the layout of the land is for that property.

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So forced conservation for the site is to be addressed by an easement over the wooded.

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Area the concept landscape plan has been approved. Water resources will require an.

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Easement surrounding the stream that runs on site and they will require additional details provided.

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During the review of the final plan, floodplain management has branded content approval of.

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The plan and they're also going to require an easement engineering review and state highway.

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Administration have granted approval of the plan with the proposed access to goss garland.

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Stormwater management will be provided through the construction of level spreaders and throughout the.

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Site they have also granted concept approval of the plan and, finally, in accordance with the site.

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Development plan memorandum from the department of planning the proposed land use is consistent with.

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The 2014 carroll county master plan's land use, designation of industrial and residential load.

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Density and then finally, the final plan will be tested and reviewed for adequacy, as always.

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Before either going to the chair or coming back to the commission, so uh I'd be happy to answer.

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Any questions that you guys may have, as I'm sure mr ziegler or mr griffin also would be able to.

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Possibly zoomed into town, eventually kind of like the union bridge project or now.

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Hey this jeff ziegler with clsi- I I don't see it being annexed into the town.

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um That that hasn't really been discussed with them.

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um Either either from them or from us, you know asking for the request.

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um A couple questions the um the over 40 000 uh sliver of land well, first off.

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There's three parcels and david you mentioned eventually: that'll all become roll into one.

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The r40 that sliver down, I guess, to the southwest.

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um Is that r40 000 zoned right there that piece.

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Yes, uh so this line on the outside here, this darker line represents the landscape, uh but.

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The landscape is going to butted up against the property boundary. This line right here is.

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That separation between the industrial and the residential zone properties so.

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As you said, this section right here is going to be zone residentially uh r40.

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000., so it it it, it is currently our 40 000., that's correct, yeah they're, uh with.

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This plan they're not proposing any type of zoning change for for any of the properties.

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Well, that's what it's getting that getting to so if that becomes part of the solar field or.

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Or the operation, wouldn't that require that r40 piece to be moved to i2 or i3.

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So, with no solar panels being proposed within that area, it.

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I I don't see a problem with the property itself being split zoned, since its split zone right now.

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um If they wanted to expand the operation into those areas with some.

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Type of industrial use, then they would have to get some sort of zoning change.

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Carzone into megawatts correct or five megawatts.

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That's correct: this is over two megawatts, so it is, it will be subject to state approval by the psc.

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Right, so this is a little bit different when you have solar facilities that are over, that megawatt.

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Threshold, they preempt local land use authority for location, doesn't matter what the underlying.

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Zoning is, this is considered a utility utility scale and they can put this type of solar facility.

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On any of our zoned land, the regulatory authority we have is that they still have to go through our.

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Site plan process, which they are doing here as part of this development review, still have to.

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Maintain certain setback requirements, um landscape, buffering, etc, but the zoning is irrelevant when.

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It comes to those larger wattage facilities. Mountain of jim almond wants to weigh in on this.

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I couldn't have said it better linda. Thank you, okay, um so this is a. This is a commercial.

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Solar facility- yes, these are not like the community solars that you've been hearing.

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So much about that's a totally different animal so to speak and there there are different regulations.

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From the state perspective, smart authority is from the local perspective. I don't mind: okay,.

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Yeah, the easements! What what does somebody could speak to the easements? What.

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I mean what does that extra 50 feet hundred feet? What does that get um what what what.

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Does that get to the uh the project for the from the from the terms of the solar folks, so.

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um Let me I just want to correct one quick misunderstanding on this. This is actually.

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What you said about the five megawatt sites is 100. True, it goes before the public service commission.

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For approval but because this property is owned, industrial there's a section in the code for the.

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Public service commission that allows multiple co-located, two megawatt community solar, sights.

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On the same property, so what this site actually is is three community solar sites together on.

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The industrial track um that the public service commission has approved so the the setback that.

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We have there with that residential allows us to maximize the use of the industrial.

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Property right there with the solar arrays, how many extra panels does that get you guys.

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uh I would have to I mean just roughly, I would guess around 800 kilowatts or you.

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Know something like that just guessing. I would have to do the math and draw it out, but so.

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That's pretty significant. Okay, all right! That's all my questions.

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Stephen, do you have any.

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No okay, I can you show me again where the um propose setback change is.

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Yes, okay, so the proposed setback change is on this northern property along dos garland. It is.

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On this western property shown right here and then also jeff correct me. If I'm wrong.

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But it's also over here as well on this property boundary. Oh, it is not along the eastern property.

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Boundary because that's the joins the state owned property, which is also zoned industrial.

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Okay, thank you jeff. So it's just the this top property boundary here and then this property.

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Boundary over here so essentially where all the darker lines, which signify the landscape, are.

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Okay, so it's not it's not against any current residential area where houses are. Am I correct.

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No, it is not, and the the property to the east.

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um That is, the state. Highway is fully wooded um and then the property that is part of the.

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Parcel that mr pippin will be acquiring is also wooded, so it'll. It generates quite a.

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Significant buffer between the solar farm and the residents that are um east of our property.

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So we need to um yes have a motion regarding um the setback. Modification.

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Am I correct, linda or jim.

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For the setback modification, yes, uh a motion to approve and then a second about.

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Okay and then the um second would be if um yes improve well.

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We don't need to do. We need to approve the concept plan review or just the modification.

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I believe just the modification. Okay, that's that's what I thought and then also.

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um Consider delegating approval to you, madam chair, for final site plan approval.

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Okay, that's what the commission wants to do: okay,.

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I don't really see any difference in what they've proposed that would possibly come different.

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Mr lester has joined us.

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um Do you have any questions? Pete, no um well I'll, just have another statement. Every time we we see.

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These solar farms, they everybody, always asks for setback reduction, and so this is becoming.

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Commonplace, so I think we either need to change the regs. We need to hold the ground on this.

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So that's that's my statement. um I I've been listening in my car uh to the conversation I.

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Apologize for being late- um and I know I'm I'm maybe in the minority on this- it just seems to.

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Me that you know staff has prepared. You know solid regulations um on this, but every time.

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We approve one of these, we're asked to to reduce the setbacks and, and I'm slightly frustrated by it,.

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Okay, all right, anybody else have it in question, stephen, just just a clarification for mr lester.

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That in these cases, on these commercial and industrial, they do not require landscaping at all.

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So the reduction in setback comes along with the landscape buffer david. Yes,.

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So we wouldn't be getting that unless they propose the reduction setback and then you.

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Get the landscaping that's how that code is written for those districts just clarifying.

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Thank you. Thank you very much, so, in other words, since there's no landscape, the buffers.

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Built into the property, the the setback is basically zero effect to the to the property.

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Just more use for the solar because it wouldn't be encouraged by landscaping.

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Does that make sense it makes sense to me jeff. Is that correct.

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Yeah, that's correct. We're asking for the reduction in exchange for the request for reduction, we're.

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Adding a landscape buffer to sort of buffer the project area from the neighboring properties.

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Okay, okay, I agree just to go and I agree with pete we. I don't think we've seen one of these.

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Where there hasn't been a setback request, so um I agree with what he was saying earlier.

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Okay um question: do we do a vote on this, or do I bring public comment in first.

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Yes, which a public comment should come in first then, you will call for emotion and then.

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You'll have your discussion after your second prior to taking a book, but now would be a good.

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Time, if you're done with your discussion and questioning um the applicant, then now.

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Would be an appropriate time for public comment? Okay, um does anybody have anything else to say.

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No see none, okay are there, anybody is there. Anybody on the phone for public comment.

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We do not have anyone sign up for the meeting for public comment.

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Okay, all right, then, I would entertain a motion.

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um I can take a shot at it. I guess, might need some verbiage help here.

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But I might I'll make a motion that the planning and zoning commission per 155.

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um Move forward the concept, site plan and request for setback modification or is.

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That two two different notions for the pip and fault farm, solar facility- okay, jim, so.

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I would just to make it clearer: just a motion to grant the uh setback reduction modification is.

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um Basically, the the objective here so okay I'll change, the motion to to.

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Make a motion for setback modification to approve setback, modification.

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Regarding the uh it's been foam solar facility- yes, all right, we'll second.

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Okay, um any more discussion.

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Then all in favor.

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Okay, any opposed.

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Okay, madam chair four in favor, um and this motion carries so now. We need a second motion.

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um For the final okay.

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Let me see here I make a motion delegating final approval to the chair for the concept plan.

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Oh second, okay, any discussion.

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All in favor all right: okay, okay, matt, I'm sure that motion carries as well.

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Okay, thank you and thank you, mr pippin and mr ziegler and david for. Thank you. Thank.

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You I appreciate it. Okay have a good evening, gentlemen. Okay, we will move on to number seven.

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uh David, I believe, you're up again.

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That I am so back before you with another project here is, and this is the last project I'll be.

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Discussing tonight is braddock estates, the resub division of section three. This is file number.

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Fx22-0002 again just for ease uh with me is mr limberman. I see who.

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Is with rtf, the engineer uh also is miss collins uh who is representing.

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The property owner, and then also I see mr elon here as well: okay,.

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um You can cut there, you go all right. Thank you.

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Okay, okay, so what this project is proposing is to resub the prob. This property outlined here.

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And and with that, we'll create two new residential lots. So the project before you is a combination.

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Of a preliminary and a final plan, so with that uh we're looking for two actions, uh the first.

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One will be the approval of the preliminary and final plan of subdivision pursuant to chapter 155.

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And the second is approval of the preliminary and final plan of subdivision pursuant to chapter 156..

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So the property itself is located at 5139 perry, road and this is within mount airy.

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So, as you can see, this is perry road here this is braddock road, and this is ridge.

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Road and for for those who may drive in the area at the intersection of ridge.

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Road and braddock road is that large, red barn that you pass there foreign.

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Ty itself is an existing lot within the braddock estates subdivision. It currently consists of 19.

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Acres and hosts uh private family dwelling, as well as outbidden, as you can see, shown here.

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The residents and related buildings occupy approximately two acres on the north edge of.

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The property and are accessed from perry road by a private driveway, as you can see here, the zoning of.

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The property and the adjoining properties is our 40 000., so the majority of the property consists.

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Of farmland and cropland, with the southeast section of the property consisting of trees and a.

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Stream, as you can see shown here, is this: existing plant provides a 100 year. Flood line around the.

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Existing stream and the proposed plan provides the boundaries of the wetlands, along with the.

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Wetland buffer, uh the 19 acres is generally flat with a slope to the southeast of the property and.

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The subject property, as well as all those ceramic properties, are served by private, well and septic.

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Systems so the property or the the project itself proposes to create two new residential lots from.

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The existing 19 acre parcel uh lot 82, which is shown as being towards the front here, will be.

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Comprised of about 7.3 acres lot, 83 will be more towards the back here and will be comprised of.

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About 7.7.7 acres and then lot 84 shown over here will be the remaining area of about 3.9 acres.

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So, access to the the lots so lot, 83 and 84 will be by way of a shared driveway that will connect to.

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The apron of the existing driveway, so a lot 83 and 84 will be comprised of new residential dwellings.

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A lot 82 will house all of those outbuildings, as well as the existing residents on site.

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So, prior to the initial submittal plans, the project first had to be taken to the planning.

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And zoning commission, as a special report for direction as to the applicability of a nuke.

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That was on the record flat, so this note on the record plant prohibited the further subdivision.

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Of the property, so during this meeting within january of 2020, the planning is.

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Under commission acknowledged that the note was added at a time when the property was in.

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Agricultural and the development zoning has since been changed to residential.

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So with that, a vote was carried to override that note and allowed a subdivision to occur.

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So afterwards, the concept subdivision plan was submitted october, 2nd of 2020. The plan was subject.

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To citizen involvement at the november 2020 technical review committee meeting at that meeting.

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And there was one citizen who was the owner of adjoining property president, but they did.

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Not provide any comments or opposition to what was being proposed. There have.

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Been no calls or letters received since that meeting, and that is accurate still.

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So on june 21st 2022, the planning zoning commission received or and more presented.

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The concept plan of subdivision there were no citizens that signed in or spoke at the meeting.

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And so before, I move on to the rest, just to give an idea as to how the property looks.

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This is the existing driveway access onto perry road, so this is looking left the one on the right.

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Corner is looking right and then this is standing back on the driveway. Looking at the roadway.

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And this is standing at the driveway looking out at the property right about where that.

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Driveway will be located, and so these are just some other shots of the driveway area.

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So, as currently designed, the landscape ordinance does not apply to this project. The plan has.

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Received approval from the floodplain code and water resource management, with easements being.

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Required from both of those agencies, grading a sentiment, control has granted approval of the plan.

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As well as engineering review, so engineering review granted the plan, but there was a.

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Safety and variants that was granted for the new shared driveway montreal drive in august of 2021.

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The carroll county health department and the bureau of utilities have both granted approval.

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Of the plan with private well and septic systems being used on site and, finally, fourth conservation.

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Has granted approval, enforced conservation will be addressed by way of on-site a4 station.

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So the bureau of resource management also granted final approval of the plan just going.

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Back to the plan here, stormwater management will be addressed via drywell's roofed up and non-roof.

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Top disconnects and wide shoulders, so really all of these green areas will be the the wide shoulder.

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Or the disconnects for stormwater management and then each individual house, I believe, will have.

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Drywalls associated with it, as well so in the corner towards the site development plan, memo.

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From the department of planning the proposed land use is consistent with the 2014 carroll county.

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Master plans, land use, designation of residential low density and the project is also consistent.

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With the 2019 water and sewer plan, so with that pursuant to chapter 155 staff recommends the.

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Approval of the preliminary and the final plan subject to the following conditions.

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That the owner developer enters into a public works agreement with carroll county.

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That a stonewater management conservation area easement be granted to the carroll.

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County commissioners and a stormwater management, easement and maintenance agreement be granted to.

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The carroll county commissioners, that, if forested water resource protection ease, would be granted to.

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The county that age range and utility east may be granted to the county and a forced.

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Conservation ease would be granted to the county. Floodplain ease may be granted to the county.

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At a declaration of maintenance obligations for the shared munchie drive, we've recorded.

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Simultaneously, with the record plat and finally had any changes to the preliminary plan and plan.

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As submitted and approved by the commission be resubmitted for further review and approval.

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So the second half of this, because we're at preliminary and final uh is.

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The concurrency report before we move on to that was there any questions thus far.

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Okay, they say: silence is golden state. The munchie drive that that.

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Is uh that's, that's a private road that won't be county maintained, that's correct!.

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That is going to be a private driveway, so it would not be accounting maintained. Thank you.

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Okay, so, uh pursuant to chapter 156, once the department has determined.

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That the residential development plan may be presented to the commission. The plan is.

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Reviewed for available threshold capacity, and so with that we test various public.

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Entities to to verify that they are adequate with what's being proposed, and these proposalots are.

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Not going to have any adverse effects, so one of those is police services. I'm not going to go into.

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The numbers, unless required or requested to but police services is deemed adequate. Their proposed.

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Subdivision is located within the winfield elementary mount airy, middle and south carolina.

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High attendance areas, all three other schools are deemed adequate. The proposed subdivision is.

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Located in the winfield fire and emergency medical services district, those are also deemed adequate.

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And finally, the only county road that's affected is perry, road, which is rated adequate.

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So with that, with regard to a preliminary plan, the code states, if all public facilities and services.

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Are adequate during the current cip? The planning commission may approve the plan to proceed to the.

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Final plan stage and issue a recreation schedule and building permit reservation.

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Subject to a building permit camp adopted by the county commissioners, in effect, at the time of the.

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Application for building permits so pursuant to chapter 156 staff, recommends that the planning.

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Commission conditionally or I'm sorry planning commission approved the preliminary plan with.

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Conditions as follows: police schools, roads and fire and ems are considered adequate. The building.

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Permit reservation is for two lots and fiscal year 24 subject to modifications at the final.

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Plant stage, the recognition schedule requires the plant to be recorded within 24 months of.

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The preliminary plan approval and the building permit reservation is allowed to roll over year.

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After year, until the sunset provision takes effect and the preliminary plan becomes void,.

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Now that was in regards to a preliminary plan with regards to a final plan, the code.

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States for projects that received a recreation schedule and building permit reservation at the.

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Preliminary plan stage the planning commission's secretary shell and form a developer whether any.

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Existing or proposed building permit caps will be applicable to the project.

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So to my knowledge, there are no existing proposed building permit caps. That would.

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Be applicable to this project so with that pursuance chapter, 156 staff recommends that.

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The planning commission approve the final plan with the following conditions that the building.

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Permit reservation is for two lots and fiscal year 24, provided the plan is recorded prior to any.

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Permits being issued that the recreation schedule requires the plan to be recorded within 24 months,.

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Of the preliminary plan approval and finally, the building permit reservations are allowed to roll.

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Over year after year, until the sunset provision takes effect and the preliminary plan becomes void,.

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So with that, I'd be happy to entertain any questions as well as those that are here with me.

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Hi dave- this is a this is maddie, I'm the realtor. I want to thank you for, for uh you.

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Know communicating with me so well and I'm a bit of a bit of a novice, um especially when it.

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Comes to the length of time in between things um I I heard you mentioned a 2024 uh build is.

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That uh is that, does that mean that building cannot uh the building can't go on until then.

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So the 2024, so that's in reference to fiscal year 2024, which so the end.

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Of the fiscal year is essentially the last week in june, uh if this should be finalized.

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Before then, uh that shouldn't create any caveats in getting building permits issued.

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Okay and just just one other a couple other questions, am I being a little premature in.

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Getting I understand at some point, um we will either need to install the driveway.

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And when I say we I'm I'm referring to jan and you collins there on here um so.

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What am I being a little premature in looking into that now? I've got a couple of estimates.

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And I guess I'm just I'm just really trying to figure out what uh uh my next step would be.

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Sure so we could right right. uh We can follow up after this meeting, but essentially the next steps.

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In the process is, as you providing those estimates to the county and us working through what we call.

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The legal documents process well we'll we'll look to to create those easements. Those documents that.

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Are required as well as look to get those record plots and and get those moving and recorded.

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Okay, I apologize, I know we're just here to get this um approved and I'm probably getting a.

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Little ahead of myself here but, uh as I said, I'm not I'm not exactly a um an expert on all this. So.

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Trying to learn as I go, thank you matt I'll, just like to add to rtf would uh walk you guys through.

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The the recording process and the bonding phase of this also so we're going to be working hand.

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In hand on them pretty closely the rest of the way here, great. Thank you. Okay. um Thank you, david.

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Michael any comments.

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There we go just so. The the lot yield right now will go to uh basically three three properties.

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On on the on the acreage, but that, but it's not capped there, my my getting that right.

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So there could be addition, there's additional homes built on this property yeah.

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Oh yeah, of course please, john okay, thank you, mr kate. um So the zoning purposes are for zoning.

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Reasons the the property would technically be entitled to additional development. However, the.

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The environmental features, the topography and the soils for you know perk test for private septic.

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Systems um this these two new additional lots, are pretty much maxed out and all the property.

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Is going to be able to support at this time under current regulations? Okay, thank you sure.

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Do you have any comments.

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Okay, pete. I have no comments. Thank you. Okay, stephen. I have no comments either. Okay,.

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Jim in um listening to mr elam, he um was asking about kind of developing it.

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um As I don't want to see, any fellow realtors get in trouble.

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um Isn't there a law that forbids them from marketing it as well? I'm not actually familiar.

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With that, madam chair, a law that forbid them for marketing what um the residences.

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um Simply because they're not um approved lust, oh, if I, if I may no, I had no intentions nor.

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Did the owners to to market the property until it's actually recorded, and we look, you know my.

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Questions were uh just uh but again the owners are here and they're. Like me, we're we're novices uh so.

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uh You know I just was trying to get a better uh idea of the the process, and I understand john.

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John um piped in there and he's going to uh sort of uh lead us by the hand after this. So I but.

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But as far as marketing the property, now I and I know uh you can't you can't market a property that.

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Doesn't actually exist and until it's recorded it doesn't so no, I would would not be marketing it.

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I just wanted to make sure that I appreciate that you're welcome.

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um Is there any public comment, anybody on here from the public.

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We do not have anyone sign up for public comment on this particular item this evening.

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Okay, right, then, um which who would like to make a motion for uh I'll take a stab at it. Janice.

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um A move that we approve uh the preliminary and final site plan, subject to the nine.

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Stipulations conditions included by staff uh pursuant to chapter 55, well, 155., services, okay,.

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And that's for the radical states, resub division of section three correct: yes, yeah, yes, ma'am.

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All right do I have a second I'll. Second, that.

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No, we did not. I I checked on the public.

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Any further discussion.

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Nope nope. Okay, then all in favor aye.

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Okay, I would move on to and I would say that I would.

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Recommend that we approve the final plan uh subject uh pursuant to chapter 156.

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And subject to the uh conditions, the three conditions listed by staff uh on the report.

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Okay, do I have a second.

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Is it three or four conditions just to clarify.

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Only soft three, um it's three below um yeah, okay, my my fault, yep yeah,.

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Okay and again, that's for the bradicus states, read the free subdivision of section three.

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Okay, absolutely can excuse me, can I ask a question david? Are there not seven conditions.

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Isn't that listed a four and then a three, so that's kind of the trickiness with this one.

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And I'm not sure if jim wants to chime in on how this should be done, uh but essentially there's.

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Four conditions with the preliminary uh approval of concurrency management, chapter 156 and then.

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There's three conditions with a final approval of the currency management chapter 156.. So um I.

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Guess jim ultimately do those have to be sectioned off, or can they just be lumped together? They can.

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Belong together, but we're saying we're saying that we've got three and four so for a total of seven.

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Okay, so I'm gonna amend my sorry. I will amend my motion uh to state that we approve the final.

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uh We prove the final plan, subject to the seven uh conditions listed by staff and pursuant to.

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Chapter 156.: it is that okay or should it does it work? It's fine. Then it's prelimited.

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Them that's sufficient, okay, all right and whoever second.

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uh Second, again: okay, all right any discussion.

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Okay, all in favor, aye.

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Yes, then, that stands approved, um congratulations, gentlemen and miss collins and good luck.

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With your project, thank you very much. Thank you all.

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We now move on to the transportation master plan.

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um I saw claire stewart you're going to be the presenter.

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Is that what I saw? Yes, sorry, okay, claire in there, we can't hear you um clears. Thank you, claire.

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I still can't hear you check your gear wheel.

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I have checked your steering wheel.

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And then you may have to go to audio settings and pick a different microphone.

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How about now yeah you're good you're in okay? All right, can you see my screen? Yes, okay. Thank.

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You so we're here tonight um to hopefully wrap up this discussion of chapter six of.

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The transportation master plan, which is the plan major streets and planned neighborhood connections,.

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And this section is the final part, which is the prioritization of what you've already reviewed.

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Next slide, please.

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So as you'll recall, because you've gone over these the past six meetings, um basically by corridors.

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There are remaining in the plan, 16 plan, major streets and 28 planned neighborhood connections.

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um And these 44 road improvements have been discussed. As I said, um for the past, several.

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Months and while they're all considered necessary improvements and connections for.

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The ultimate development of the county, certain roads, are more feasible, have a greater impact.

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And are more significant to the realization of the council. County's adopted land use plans.

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So I'll just briefly go over the criteria we used for ranking and then claire will go over.

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In specifics, each one and provide examples of each one, so the future road improvements were.

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Ranked using 10 criteria and we developed these criteria pretty much from looking at other plans.

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um That are in our county, as well as the long-range transport, regional transportation.

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Plan and some other plans, but basically they're all in furtherance of the goal.

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And the adopted county master plan, which is to provide a safe and functional intra-county.

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Transportation system that promotes access and mobility for people and goods through a.

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Variety of transportation modes. I will point out, though, that this plan is basically just.

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Regarding roads, so that you won't, we won't be talking about a variety of transportation modes.

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So the improvements that met the criterion were assigned one point out of the ten for.

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A possible total of 10 points. There was one road, georgetown boulevard that received all 10 points.

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um So, following this assignment of points and claire will go over what each one involved all.

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Improvements were categorized as either low, medium or high priority, based on the following.

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Breakdown anything with zero to three points was low. Anything with four to six points was.

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Medium and anything from seven to ten points is considered high and after she goes over each of.

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The criteria with the examples we'll show you um the final results um in a table of this ranking.

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So I'm going to ask claire to go over those now all right good evening. Everyone again.

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um So I'm gonna follow the same format for each of the 10 criteria. There's going to be two slides.

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um The first slide is, is what the criteria is and pretty and pretty much the purpose of it, and then.

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The second slide um we're going to show you um two maps with plan um plan, roadway connections.

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And um it'll be a a roadway that received a point versus a road rated that did not receive that.

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um That same point for the for that criteria, so um we'll start off with number one is inclusion.

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In a designated growth area or priority funding area, this shows consistency with county and.

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Municipal future land use plans indicates a formerly established commitment to the area.

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And these road improvements will serve the largest populations of residents, businesses and workers.

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Mayor, you lost your audio again: you're muted.

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You're showing up as muted okay, can you hear me now: I'm not sure how that happened.

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um Okay, so let me start over on this slide uh for for the criteria number one.

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um The roads highlighted in bright blue when the left-hand map did receive a point.

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um For inclusion in the dga or pfa and then on the right hand, map.

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um The the bright blue, highlighted roadways, also circled in red, did not receive a point.

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So a planned roadway project was given a point if it is at least 25 inside either.

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um The growth area, so a designated growth area or um municipal growth area um or a party funding.

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Area and we have a total of 40 40 out of 44 planned roadways um that met this criteria.

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um No point was given: if less than 25 percent of the planned roadway project is inside the growth.

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Area or priority funding area and those four roads are bethel feeser deal and the manchester bypass.

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um uh Did not receive a point in those first, three that I listed off are um uh the purpose.

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Of them are safety reasons, they're pretty much straightening out um a sharp curve in the road.

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um So that's the two outside of tiny town, one in between westminster and finksburg and then.

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um The manchester bypass.

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So number two is safety plan. Rudeways that eliminate short turns improve sight lines.

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Lessen crash potential and redirect truck traffic. This includes word improvements that.

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Directly: improve safety on nearby roads in in the network, um the safety criteria.

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Furthers the goals of the county and states, strategic traffic and highway safety plans.

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Most plan roadway projects have some positive safety impact, but points were only given if it.

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Is prime, if it's prime primary purpose of the improvement or the direct consequence.

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Of the improvement is improved safety, so an example of a project that received a point is.

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Georgetown boulevard um actually received all all 10 um possible points, um but the safety.

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Aspect is really important, as the current alignment at georgetown and londontown is pr.

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um Is pretty dangerous? The plan roadway includes a roundabout to improve the.

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Safety of the 90 degree turn where these roads meet it's right here. If you can see my cursor.

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um There are several other examples, also of safety being the primary purpose of the improvement like.

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I mentioned before um sometimes there's a really sharp turn, um and these roadways include stumptown.

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Caesar and deal which I already mentioned, and then arrington, which is also in the freedom area.

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um And an example of the zero point project is aileron court in westminster, where the improvement.

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Is strictly to provide another access point to the business park from pleasant valley, road.

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Player um on the georgetown, the other day, a car came flying down from 32 and tried to make that.

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Bend there and went up on its side, so that is definitely a critical spot right and I I should.

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Have mentioned from the beginning um just below the example is the um the priority that mary's.

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Going to go over a little bit later on and you can see, georgetown is a high priority plan. Major.

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Street and as I said previously, it met all 10 and it's the only the only project I met all 10.

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um And aileron court is a medium priority and that'll be listed for each of them.

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So number three is functional. Classification. Priority is given to collector roads over.

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Local roads as they carry more traffic and serve larger areas.

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um On the slide, we've provided the purpose of both classifications on our reviews, for you.

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Collector roads are the links from land use, land uses to the arterial roads, which are typically.

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State roads that link population or employment, centers and then local roads are streets that.

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Provide for direct access to individual land uses and are typically low in traffic volume.

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All right so proper road received a point as it is designated to be a minor collector that connects.

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Marriottsville road to the western and northern areas in freedom and then for no point. We have.

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Beth drive is a proposed local roadway that will provide access from existing residential areas.

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And a um a new development to center street. um So therefore, this one received no functional, no point.

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For functional classification, as it's designated as a local roadway, that's this right here.

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Foreign, so number four is uh existing financial support and um and right-of-way indicated.

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Investment and commitment to the improvement projects, for which some or all right-of-way has.

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Been acquired concept or planning is underway or complete or part where all of the project.

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Is funded in the county's community investment plan or the or a municipal budget, um and this can.

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Change over time, as um as development projects and plans are submitted or as right-of-way as acquired.

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So for one point we have monroe avenue extended. um It received a point because it's in the final.

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uh It is the final connection of an existing fragmented roadway um connecting the existing.

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Monroe avenue to oklahoma road, so the existing area to oklahoma road, a portion of this planned.

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Neighborhood connection um has been designed by landing at whispering, pines, formerly the hobie.

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Wolf, property or subdivision: um the county owns the remaining right-of-way for the roadway and it.

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Is included in the cip for design and construction in fy24 and fy 26., and then um no point. We.

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Have center street extended, although a high priority? um There is no commitment yet to this.

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um Plan neighborhood connection um as it is dependent on development of adjacent property.

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So it did not receive a point for this one, but you'll note that it is a high priority project.

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Number five is connectivity projects that connect to arterials or major collectors and provide.

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A benefit for the larger area and may reduce dependence on intersections experiencing a high.

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Volume of traffic um and connectivity between residential neighborhoods is also important.

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And, as with safety, almost all plan plan, roadway improvements do provide some sort.

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Of connectivity, but points were only assigned if it is, um if it's primary purpose or direct.

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Consequence of the improvement is connectivity, so dickinson road extended a high priority was given.

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A point because it's various sections provide connectivity between all existing and planned uses.

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um North of 26, between georgetown boulevard and monroe and then on the right hand, side. We.

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Have bethel road realigned, um it's a simple realignment of an existing substandard road.

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Which does not provide any new connectivity so therefore, this one did not receive a coin.

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Number six: is it improve operation of existing infrastructure.

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So projects that provide an alternative, often parallel roadway to an arterial that.

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Experiences, congestion and furthers interconnectivity among land uses.

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And allows for more efficient functioning of state roads and through traffic.

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So, on the left hand, side riding our way extended received a point as it will increase the safety.

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And efficiency of maryland 26 by paralleling it and reducing direct access points on several.

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uh Several portions of the road have already been constructed by developers.

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um And then robert's mill roberts mill road extended did not receive a point.

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um As it is an extension of the existing road with no direct impact on existing um infrastructure.

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All right, so next we have kevin, which is economic prosperity,.

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um Plan roadways that provide access to jobs and support commercial and industrial development.

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And further the county master plans, economic development goals and policies.

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Okay, um so on the left, we have the meadow branch extension of bennett surf drive which will provide.

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A connection from the area east of maryland, 97 to the airport and business parks along 97.

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um And that was a high turned out to be a high priority project and then on the right. We have.

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Pleasant valley, road realignment, um although this is in a commercial area, its uh purpose is not to.

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Further economic prosperity, rather, the project is necessary as a safety improvement by consolidating.

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Access points along maryland, 97. um and again, you can see this one's a high priority as well.

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So number eight is immediacy of need, um reason and in-process development within and immediately.

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Outside the area necessitates priority um for a planned roadway project and this evaluation.

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May change over time again, as development plans are submitted to the county or municipalities.

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On the left, we have arrington road realigned. This received a point as.

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It is related to the development of freedom's grant. um Those of you are.

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Familiar with that, an age-restricted community in the vicinity that will be responsible for.

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um Part of the improvement- if you can see my cursor, that's the section right here.

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um And then for no point, um we've overrock road extended. There's no proposed development in.

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The immediate in the immediate vicinity of road that would necessitate development at this time.

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Right number: nine um environmental considerations.

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um These are projects that have minimal effects on environmental and cultural resources.

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um Analysis of the planned roadways, improvements based on environmental constraints,.

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um uh Were vetted through the county engineer for what is considered minimal effects.

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Included in this assessment are water resource protection, easements, um fema, floodplain other.

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Floodplain easements streams, wetlands steep slopes, forced conservation, easements and force cover.

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And it's important to note that improvements can be constructed with.

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um With these constraints, but they add complexity and cost to the project.

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All right so here are some a couple masks with orthos, so you can take a look at what those.

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Constraints might look like on the left. We have springdale avenue, as you can see, there's nothing.

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There, so this a project of this type would receive a would receive. A point on the right is malcolm.

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Drive extended, um this is an important connection um between 140 and 27 in the westminster area.

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um uh However, it is severely constrained with environmental features. um There's a.

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Junkyard north of dorset road that um has likely contaminated the land and purchasing it um would.

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Add considerable complexity to the project. um Additionally, there has been some flooding issues.

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Around the northern portion of the alignment where um the wastewater treatment plant is.

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Located and and for those reasons, a project like this would not receive a point for environmental.

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And their last one is a cost benefit analysis. So this is a comparison of the estimated cost.

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um And if you recall that was um uh presented to you, I think it one of the meetings this.

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Past spring, I think when we kicked off chapter six, um so the comparison of the estimated cost.

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um To the benefit and as determined by the total of the previous nine criteria, so the benefit is.

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Those nine previous criteria- and we add them up and how many total points are there. So if the.

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Plan roadway will be majority developer driven. It was automatically given a point for cost benefit.

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um If the project will be majority, public funded um staff used a formula as listed on.

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The slide here, um the number of dollar signs, equals the cost of the project, so lower cost.

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Projects are represented by one dollar sign and higher cost projects are represented by five.

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um Using the formula outlined on the slide as an example, a project that has a low cost of one.

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Dollar, sign we'll need two or more of the nine subtotal points to receive a cost benefit point.

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Another example: a project that has a cost of four dollar symbols, we'll need seven or more.

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Of the nine subtotal points to receive a point for that cost benefit foreign. So examples of this we.

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Have market street extended has a low construction cost of one dollar sign and it has eight subtotal.

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um Subtotal points, therefore, it did receive that extra cost benefit point and that actually.

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Brought this um the this project up to uh I shouldn't, say it brought it up to high.

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Priority because it would have been without the point, but it is a high priority project.

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um And then on, the right we have, um the manchester bypass um has the highest construction cost of all.

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Planned major streets with um five dollar signs um and it only received three sub.

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uh Subtotal points so um for this project it did not receive the cost benefit point.

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So before we move on that wraps up my section um before we move on to the table of.

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um High medium and low priorities do we are there any questions on the the one through ten criteria, or do we want to move on.

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All right, mary I'll, take it over to you. Okay, um thanks! So after we added everything up.

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um We split these as we always do into the plan, major streets and the plan neighborhood.

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Connections and basically the only difference is the plan. Neighborhood connections are meant for.

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A more targeted area and the plan major streets for a larger area, but they've been this way in.

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All the past plans, so we did keep them in these two classifications, but when it was all said and.

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Done with the points um we ended up with six plan, major streets that are considered high priority.

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um Two of them are already in the cip, again georgetown boulevard and market street.

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um The tontitown bypass received- I, I believe, eight or nine points.

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And center street in mount airy and bennett surf drive at meadow branch up in westminster.

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um There was sometimes with the medium and low. I won't go over all of those, because I think some.

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Of those may end up being a little fluid over time, some of them did not receive, for instance, points.

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For immediacy of need or prior commitment, and some of that may change- or you know, as developments.

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Come online or as um there's right-of-way acquired, so there's a little those two categories. I think.

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That there could be more moving back and forth over time, but the high priority, the six high.

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Priority plan major streets really did stand out in the number of points they received and just.

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Speaking for staff, we weren't surprised to see these. These were all we knew that there had been a.

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Commitment and there had been a commitment to them for a good reason, except at this point there isn't.

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um Anything specific about the tiny town bypass as far as a commitment.

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um Are there any questions about those.

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Okay, the next grouping is of the plan. Neighborhood connections and you'll see allendale lane extended.

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Arrington road realigned, dede road, dickinson road, lighty road monroe avenue extended.

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um Pleasant valley, road realign pro throw and right now or you'll, probably notice, a good number.

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Of those are in the eldersburg freedom area and that's because that's our designated growth area.

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And that is where we um put our resources. So again, staff wasn't really surprised to see that either.

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um What we're comfortable about this is it's just very objective. We didn't make any.

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um At least as few as we could um subjective decisions in assigning these points, so we feel.

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Comfortable that this prioritization isn't our opinion, but but once we had set on the 10.

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Criteria that it fell into line um are there any questions at all about how we arrived at.

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These or, if you have any specific questions about something that you think should be higher or lower.

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Okay, I do not see anybody. um I I do. What is the next step, the next step? So if there aren't any.

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Proposed changes to this chapter we're going to reformat it make all the changes that you.

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Didn't really make too many changes in our discussions, but along the way we have found.

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Little things that we're going to do a little bit different, particularly in formatting and we'll get.

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That back to you and package it with the other prior background chapters and then on may 16th.

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um We'll be coming to you with another chapter on emerging transportation trends.

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Which you may find a little more interesting um and then, after that, we're going to move forward.

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Presenting it to you with some recommendations and implementation actions.

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So and that'll be your opportunity for more robust discussion. The idea of this whole plan was to kind.

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Of really lay out where things stand with our transportation network in general and then to.

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Look at um you know not really necessarily new road connections but but kind of how do we fulfill.

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What we already have, and how can we continue to make our roads, have a high level of service.

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um Be safe and get us to where we need to get, but it was never meant to be like this overall.

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Huge sweeping changes to the transportation network but finishing up a lot of the things.

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And inventory what we've done and what we still need to do: okay, thanks I'll just say,.

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I I know this has come to us in in sections and, firstly I appreciate you, you doling it out like.

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That because it would have been impossible to to do in a big thing so one I appreciate the.

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Effort- and I appreciate the way you did it and um again I I I think it's been very digestible.

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um Will this get posted for a period of time mary you know linda so that the public can see.

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What we've seen and they can comment back, how will that get get done? um I'm going to turn.

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That over to claire, because she's done a great job, but we need more people to know about it.

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um On our website of posting everything clear: do you want to um tell them about what's already on.

N

The website and how you're getting it up almost immediately after we present it yeah so after.

O

um After every meeting we post the powerpoint, we post the um the recorded video and then any.

O

um Draft chapter that you've seen um so when we sent you drop chapter six in, I think it.

O

Was january, that's also posted, um so basically anything you see is also there for um the public.

O

To see and not to forget, the most important thing is that we have an email list served.

E

um That goes well, it's for the transportation plan, but we've cultivated it from other sources of.

E

um People that have signed up interested in other planning processes, projects that.

E

We've done and claire sends out those delivery messages um to the group that list of people.

E

um To keep them continually informed about what's happening, and we also share it with.

E

You know our towns, our liaisons and our different community groups that we participate in regularly.

A

Okay, well, it was very informative. I think it's easier to see it like this than.

A

Kind of, even though we appreciated what we saw, but this sums up what we saw. So thank you for all that.

A

um Anything else, gentlemen,.

A

I agree: it's good work and I I know the uh the point assignment gets a little subjective, but.

F

I think at some point you have to do that to or else you'd have 44 priorities. So you know I like.

F

The uh I like that process that you guys and I I can tell a lot of thought and time and energy.

F

Was put into all of this to to boil it down to the uh to the priorities that came out? Thank you.

A

I agree, um I did we get any general comment. Public.

A

No, no, okay, all right, then. Our next meeting is may 16th at 9 00 a.m. So I will entertain a motion.

K

uh I will I will make that motion, but first again I apologize for being late. I am so sorry.

K

um Thank you all and and uh your time's valuable and I apologize for holding you up.

K

I think so: we've got a move that we adjourn.

C

Second, okay, all right, everyone. Thank you all right, all right.