Carroll County, MD Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission, 6 Feb 2019

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Bicycle–Pedestrian Master Plan – Chapter 8 Discussion and Acceptance (Clare Stewart)

Text Amendment - Introduction IR District - Breweries
Public Comment
Adjournment

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Okay, four minutes after 6:00. That's not bad.

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Yeah calling the meeting to order welcome everyone. Can we establish a.

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Quorum mr. sorenson, here sheet one here, mr. konali.

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Guerra mr. waters, mr. yeo dear mr. hawk mr. koerner, here.

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Commissioner rothstein here secretary eisenberg here mr. chair, please let the.

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Record reflect that six members are present and we do have a quorum. One.

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Nation: okay: we have any changes on the agenda yeah. Do I hear a motion to.

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Approve so second, thank you all in favor opposed motion carried and we are going.

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To review and approve the minutes of january 15th, are there any additions.

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Corrections or their motion yes january 15. Second, second, all in favor, aye.

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All right, so is that last time well after approve minutes, no, we always have.

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To she's really stays on top of me, probably.

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The neck: well, that's a good question that we want to follow the board of.

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Commissioners, I would be okay with how difficult is it for you to maintain.

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Minutes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. How difficult is it for you to maintain.

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Minutes us personally, it's a breeze.

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Probably just is not difficult, I keep, you know, keep keeping the minutes to. Let.

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Us see how our decision is continuing to play out, so this is how I use the.

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Minutes and when projects come back multiple years later, I forget what I had.

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Thought about the project, meaning little nuances or richards out that day or.

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Something- and I want to make sure that the point that he had three years ago gets followed up with then I'll. Reread the minutes from back then and make sure.

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That his line of questioning got answered or something so what we do use.

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The minutes correct in that way, but with the understanding that minutes are not.

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Transcripts, nor are they fit their generous captures by those that are.

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Writing this, so they may not be my tom, but there is something was captured that.

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We didn't really like we set it the wrong way or she captured their own.

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Between my recommendations, you maintain minutes, I think see. No again, please have.

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The board's decision and we made and not maintaining minutes doing pat's we're.

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Going I'm not confident yet, which way we're gonna go yet, and we made.

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We've sent out especially citing subdivision plans. We send what we call.

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An excellent from the minutes to the applicant and that serves as their.

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Unofficial record of what was discussed so we use it more than just for posting.

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On the website, and also, I think getting back to when someone needs to search.

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Something- and we are always searching minutes for what was discussed, to go.

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Back, it's a lot easier to do a search on minutes than it is to have to watch.

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Video and pick something up, I'm gonna get anything to commissioner rothstein's.

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Point: it's not a transcript transcript, we synopsize what's happening, but they.

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Are a good or, and sometimes there isn't it's a significant discussion about.

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Right then, you know you got to go back and watch it. Yes, there was some problems.

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With that keeping them, because I'm using medication myself, so it's easier than.

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Trying to go back to the first of all, you gonna have to remember the date you.

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Ever tried 10 something in videos thanks a lot yeah, it's easy to skim the minutes.

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And remember to where you want us, you know where the issue is in the video.

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You'd be moving their head and then moving it up. What do far, they were back.

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So status quo, so let's just keep it the way. It is.

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Okay, administrative report, madam secretary, welcome everyone. We have not.

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Had a wednesday evening meeting, I think since august of 2018, so I hope everyone.

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Enjoyed their break, I don't like us to have a meeting just.

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To have a meeting, so we always wait for there to be reasonable agenda items to.

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Have something established everyone values their time, especially.

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After a long day of work, so again I appreciate you all being here this.

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Evening, just a few things in the administrator before I want to bring to your attention new security measures, I'm wearing my id.

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Badge they want during our tuesday meetings, this door, which is our public.

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Open door can no longer be unlocked for meetings on tuesdays. You will have to.

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Come up through the upstairs show id and let them know where you're going and.

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You'll get a visitor's badge and you'll come down here to this meeting room when.

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You leave, the public will be, you have to go out the same way and return their.

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Badge, you all have badges you'll need to display those when you come in you're.

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Treated just like a county employee display your badge you up to sign-in or anything like that for our nighttime meetings. This door will be unlocked, but.

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We're gonna ask that everyone that comes in to hear from the public signs in I.

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Know sometimes people don't like to sign in and typically, if you're, not speaking,.

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When you don't haven't required that in the past, but now given the new security.

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Measures we're gonna, ask everyone from the public who attends to sign in at our.

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Meeting and so that way we can control access to the building. It's just part of.

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Increasing security efforts by the county, also in your packet for tonight.

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Is a draft of the preliminary recommended cip community investment.

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Program our letter to the board of county commissioners regarding.

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Consistency requirement with the cip and our master plans, if you recall ted.

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Zaleski from budget and management came on january 22nd.

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Waiting what the preliminary recommended budget is as well as you got the queen.

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Nearly recommended and the requested budget from the agency's staff has.

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Reviewed this and has found it consistent with our 2014 master plan, the.

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2018 community comprehensive plan and our other area master and functional.

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Plans and I cited multiple linkages directly to the plans, for instance, the.

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Continued funding for our land preservation, which is one of our goals,.

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And the master plan is to preserve 100,000 acres, the continuation of market.

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Street extended that's in the budget for construction, that's directly out of our.

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Plans, the sheriff's office precinct and eldersburg, as mentioned in the freedom.

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Community comprehensive plan doing a transportation master plan is listed in.

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Both the master plan and freedom plan and then the freedom, water and sewer.

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System improvements help support the activities and the recommendations also.

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That's found in the freedom plan so again we also thank them for their.

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Support of the transportation master plan getting the final remaining mattoon.

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Funds and staff is excited to begin to kick off that project and hopefully, work.

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With the consultants to do that, so this is for the chair to sign. I don't know if.

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You want to make the motion to for your signature for this one. We have any.

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Changes or do the transportation master plan we have funding for that that we.

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Did grant forth any ocean that we, for this is where kind of commissioners.

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In a second all in favor, all right bears carry and.

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Then the last a tomahawk for use. I wanted to give you an update of the.

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Comprehensive rezoning process since later on the agenda, we are going to be.

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Revealing a proposed text amendment for the ir district regarding breweries, so.

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Since you all have forwarded the proposed draft commercial, industrial.

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Unemployment campus zoning districts text portion to the board of county.

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Commissioners, we've had three work sessions with them, one in december and.

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Two in january, the work session format, it's a new format for the commissioners.

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Much of like what we do here to make it a little more informal, they don't take.

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Public comment: you all do take public comment during the work sessions and the.

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Idea is to have a more in-depth conversation with the commissioners in.

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This decision-making process, the comprehensive rezoning, the text portion.

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Is very detailed and ultimately it's their legislation to adopt and implement.

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So it's really important that they have participation as directing this, and I.

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Feel that this for this planning commission has given them a really good.

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Basis and a good start further discussions and mary back me up on this.

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I've seen very little change from what was originally submitted from the.

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Original there's no good sweeping changes so far discussed with the.

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Districts as as you've sent them up, we have been drafting general notes and.

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Putting on our website under the comprehensive rezoning on.

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Also saying when the upcoming meetings are so, we have three more meetings.

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Scheduled for the month of february february, 12 february, 19, 20, 21st and 26.

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That was originally been nineteen, twenty first, twenty six trying to get to our.

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Time blocks with the commissioners to go over this we've done the proposed uses.

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We've done the use table, we've done the definitions of the districts and now.

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We've done accessor uses and now we're moving on to bulk requirements and then.

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Once the bulk requirements are finished, that'll complete the text portion for.

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That so, hopefully one or two more meetings and then hopefully the third.

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Meeting we will be able to talk about process for how the board would move.

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Forward on adopting the text, you know some public outreach meetings. Perhaps I.

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Think that would be advisable so that way, if there's any major overarching.

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Issues you don't want back to come out at the public hearing. We couldn't dress.

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Them ahead of time and then a public hearing and then adoption and during.

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That time we would also be scoping out then the math changes that need to occur.

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As well, so that's that's where that processes internally, presidential we've.

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Been working with the concept team, we're gonna have some new material in the next.

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Few weeks to send to the residential focus group and many members are anxious.

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To get some new materials, but we have been working through things and with any.

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Parallel effort, as much as we want to move forward on the residential.

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Commercial things are still coming up, so during the work session we've had some.

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Commercial discussions that we've had to go back to our concept team that might.

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Have been allotted time for the residential to go back and do some.

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Additional discussion and research to bring back to the commissioners during.

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We have only one concept team internally doing both so it's kind of hard to have.

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You know split meetings to talk about commercial and then moving.

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For residential, so we're trying as best we can to move both efforts for.

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Simultaneously, but I think I think it's going running, pushing around steve have.

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Anything to add, as far as the work session is it painful or it's very.

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Deliberate approach, we focus on the tasks to be anything at the time was.

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Spent so it was the past two hours, we will go past two hours or we'll stop.

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Go around and pick up, you know session, so we're not focused on getting this.

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Chapter does by this time and and I think we're getting some really good.

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Dialogue- some very candid conversation. I realize that the work they're doing.

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Along with the other commissioners, in the engagement, we all have our own those.

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Techniques but focused areas, I think where it would vibrate.

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Well, with the staff step more to follow on that, so I was going to highlight that.

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As well as again being relatively new into this role, my impressions on the.

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Staff and community focused on this type of effort, and it isn't it's a very.

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Deliberate approach, I appreciate the second piece is evening meetings.

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Although could be mostly uncomfortable, but not the best for everybody that does.

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Have long it works, but they are appropriate for a.

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Community as well too, if they want to participate, those that cannot be here.

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During the mornings, or full day's, at least in the evenings, if we do these.

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They're they're valued by the community at least giving up in outreach. You know.

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You can't you can't fix everything all the time, but you know I do appreciate at.

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Least the sentiment of having this type of evening meetings and then the third.

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And last is you know it is formal that limit is the director in there which.

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Will be acting off of director. You know really appreciate again the.

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Commissioners, coming together making that decision in moving forward in going.

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To be now the director of planning and zoning, we fully support yeah all right.

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We will go to item seven public comment like she very little public here so.

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We'll move on to item 8, the bicycle petitioners master plan.

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I have chapter ii, discussion and decision for him. Chapter 8 was.

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Originally brought to you in december we're just different introductions and.

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Then, today this is our progress right here we have in progress chapter 8.

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Chapters 1 & 2 are still left to be brought to you and we're thinking in.

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April, this will be before you as well as.

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Just the goals of chapter 8, we have prioritized some of the key connections.

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That were identified in chapters 3 & 4 on those there are dr. claman future.

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Connections and we want to leverage state and federal funding for.

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Improvements to existing and construction of new infrastructure and.

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Then we also want to engage elected officials, government agencies and the.

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Community on issues relating to by training and outreach, an overview of.

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Chapter ii, we identify criteria to consider when implementing like that.

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Infrastructure, we use the goals of this plan to prioritize our projects. The same.

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Ones that will provide propose in chapters three and four, and these are.

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The county projects, not municipal, we identify barriers to construction of.

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Bike ped infrastructure and then solutions to these barriers and.

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The barriers can include anything from land acquisition, maintenance, flood.

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Plains utility easements right-of-way and then we use the five es planning to.

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Keep our elected officials and citizens engaged when it comes to bike that.

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Issues we received comments so after introducing this in december, I have sign.

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Out for comments to all of our municipalities and some agencies- and we.

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Received comments from the following agencies and they were all fairly minor.

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Comments the two biggest changes that we made to.

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The plan in between introduction and now the 2040 bike, ped master plan.

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The maryland plan was completed in january, so I went ahead and made some.

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Updates using the new plan- and I did actually keep a little bit of the 2014.

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Plan the in 2014, they conducted a survey and I think they had between three and.

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Four thousand respondents to that survey and their 2040 update or the january.

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Update, I only found those servings that had about 50 responses and I actually.

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Emailed our sha contact to find out just informational. I want to know what, how.

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They got so many responses in 2014 versus only 50. Now, because I know we.

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Have a little bit of trouble trying to get people to take our surveys and just.

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Like get out- and you know, get feedback and everything, so um that was one major.

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Update we meet and then the other one, I don't think you saw the maps last time.

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Our four priority maps, so I included those in your packets pretty much the.

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Two major changes: everything else is pretty minor and then we have our recommendations. Some of the key recommendations are to.

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Create a bicycle and a bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee, I'm pretty.

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Sure all of our surrounding counties have those committees and we could learn.

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A lot from what they've done and who creates that just the commissioners.

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Asked for okay, like any other coordinate bike, ped accommodations with other.

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Projects that may require word related construction improvements of site plans.

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That kind of stuff and then make sure the public is aware and keep that as a.

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Top priority for when we construct any infrastructure, that's near a road ride.

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So that first recommendation- I guess I was wondering about that. So that's.

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Something that we would also like the department of planning would look so when you receive a site plan which you give this to them, really respond. So this.

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Really has the force of all, but it's got a lot of information. So these all that.

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Review does do that with good freedom by public, but there's a site plan that.

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Comes forward and they see something that's in the freedom planet, they'll ask.

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Them to consider this look at sinner, okay, you know we'd like to see this move.

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No, we can't like force them to do it until I think if the decision is made to.

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Incorporate this plan by reference into the county master plan, which is.

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Something I would actually recommend right, then this would have the force of.

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The county master, yes, but I think that that would be a step that we would do.

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Succinct update to the county master plan for that and I would also recommend.

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The transportation master plan- it's not to get ahead of things actually claire.

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And I had this discussion this afternoon saying that that plan is done. Maybe that.

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Would be a good time to open the master plan for both of these to be adopted by.

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Reference into the county line master plan, and that would give it more.

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Gravitas behind it for projects and then some more key recommendations, creat.

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Design guidelines to expand the county ride like network collaborate with our.

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Municipalities to create complete streets policies within the growth areas.

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And then work with key stakeholders to implement a safety and an awareness.

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Campaign, I assume that we're working with the.

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Municipalities with their plans to coordinate so that we, you know if we.

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Have a path right next to where the municipality starts at, they will.

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Continue to good so actually bringing that over the past. I want to say two.

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Months, I've been going around to all the municipalities because they've already.

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All approved there, the text that was and the maps all the information that.

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Pertained to their town or city and right now, similar to what is done with.

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The water and sewer master plan I'm going around to all the towns and.

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Getting a letter of certification signed by their planning commission, basically.

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Saying that the information provided in these chapters is consistent with their.

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Municipal comp plan, so I actually have.

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And I think I've been to five out of the eight towns so and that's going very.

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Very smooth um chapters- 1 & 2, I think- will bring before you I'm hoping in.

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April as well as the full document and then once that's accepted, will begin a.

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60-Day review and we're not exactly doing a state clearing house, formal.

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Process but it's not required by state law for us to do a clearing house review.

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I actually asked them as a favor from the clearinghouse to say. Would you mind.

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Processing this, like a comprehensive or master plan, I mean the reason for this.

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Is that if there's something from some of our some of the state departments.

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Like department of the environment or state high or mdot, that would have it.

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That hasn't been caught in some of these preliminary reviews. This would be like.

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That last official check off that we've reviewed it. It looks good, so we just.

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Wanted to do as an extra measure of comfort to know that we've considered.

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Everything and we're not doing anything to impede the state's progress or other.

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Agencies that we weren't aware of something happening, and then we can say.

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Everyone, everyone looked it up, looked it over and checked it off, you'd be able to.

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Write that, in addition to the master plan- yes well, so we'll do that then, but.

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Actually, when we go back and do the master plan, you have to do the.

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Clearinghouse 60-day review, yes, that is required, but we're they're doing this.

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Kind of as a favor to us to help process, they don't mind doing it any time you.

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Ask for something that's legitimate like this: they they don't mind doing that.

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Effort plus for the what the past is, they're gonna see it again, yeah exactly.

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Good, so during those 60 days I think we're gonna do a couple small public.

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Outreach maybe get some libraries and then at the.

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End we'll do a public hearing in this room. I think we're no planning.

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Commission public hearing at one of our evening meetings to just say that we did.

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That just to get any official comments for a record, it is why bluebird, why.

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Would we be why we would be doing this to establish a record hasn't been very.

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Controversial neither know it's been really well received and kind of gosh.

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I'm going to go back to when we did our original surveys a couple years ago. We.

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Hit like all-time records, like several hundred people, took the surveys and it.

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Really was a great response and it's been really well received through the.

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Public- and I think part of it is it's a fun document. I mean people want to see.

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This happen, it's good for the communities, it's good for economic.

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Development to see us thinking of these terms and we've also done a little more.

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Creative outreach with like pop-up events and we had the it, was a photo.

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Contest where we gave out a prize to race, pace, bikes and even one of the.

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Outreach meetings we thought about is it during the westminster wine straw having.

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A booth or table set up, you know, reaching out to the library and making.

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That people will come more into that, and it just makes it a more personable type.

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Of community document, so as long as a couple of organizations that are pretty.

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Active as well, canada, planking and we've got good partnerships.

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To it like healthier carol in the hospital, so they're really excited to.

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See something like this move for rec and parks. We've been good partners with a.

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Lot of people- and I owe it all to claire she's, really doing a great job, picking.

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This up for me to come is I'm working nothing to come this while she was here.

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Soon so once we approve chapters 1 & 2, then the 60-day period would start soon.

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Well, one, it's just gonna be what the entire document so per the full document.

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Acceptance will include one into that, and so once you guys are good with it.

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And use one or two is the last ones we have to approve yeah, but we're gonna do.

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That olives, but part of the fold I see it is you don't have to. We don't want to.

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Nickel and dime here any further with that, so we're gonna, give you the whole.

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Document in its entirety, but one and two will be new to you, then.

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And then, once planning commission gives a stamp of approval, then we'll begin a.

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More formal public review process, I think we interrupted you along the way.

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Because they don't know that in the little minute by the jurisdiction.

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Alright, we will go to item 9 tex amendment intersection of I our district.

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So tonight is an introduction for a text amendment to the restricted industrial.

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Zone for the allowance of breweries on december 21st, the board of county.

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Commissioners received a letter from st. john's properties requesting this toast.

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Amendment to the ir district on january 17th, we went before the board asking for.

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Their direction and as per county code, the text amendment needs to be.

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Recommended to the planning commission are sent to the planning commission for.

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Your recommendation to the board of county commissioners so in front of you.

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In your packet, you should have a letter from schaefer and schaffer and I think.

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How they set it up as they put the entire? I, our district text in here and.

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Then the blue text is the insertion of the brewery's microbreweries language.

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That they would like to see added for this text, amendment so pages four and.

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Five are the only place, I believe that I just mentioned, but they gave it. We.

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Printed everything out the baby as they presented it, and then you also received.

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A slight synopsis from us in terms of chapter 115, zoning.

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Regulations and have this would compare to what you all have already forwarded.

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Through vi1 district up to the board of county commissioners, so just a couple of.

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Things to keep in mind as we move through this, the board already has a proposal for a new zoning for the industrial districts and we're moving.

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From ir and ig to i1 and i2 what has been proposed for I one is somewhat.

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Different than what the text amendment being referenced is here, so if the.

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Recommendation is going to be different from what you've already forwarded to.

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The board, then reconciliation will have to occur at the board level as we move.

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Forward with the proposal that they have for the current I want- and I too so with.

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That in mind, we have just a brief presentation to kind of go over some of.

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This so this is the current. This is the proposal on the current ir zone that.

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Breweries and the micro breweries provided that such operations being.

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Compliance with any and all local and state liquor laws, licensee requirements.

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And health department regulations and shall possess any and all licenses which.

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May be required by carroll, county and or the state of maryland. Are there things.

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That factions fall into that are the micro, breweries and breweries licensed.

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By and governed by local and state laws, yes.

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Some of the things as far as people and things, but some of it it sounded like it.

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Is it is, and that's with the proposal that you all had produced the draft we.

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Defined small scale, which this is being referred to as micro breweries here in.

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Terms of gallons of barrels produced, and that was kind of the cutoff point for.

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That no, that is so micro brew, is this, because we only have a definition for.

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Small scale, so that's supposed to be my super. Yes, okay and that's what but we.

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Deliberately when we gave it to, you did not call them micro programs, we called.

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Them a small scale, because micro brewery the more we researched it. It's a term.

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That's used not necessarily in maryland law, but in other ways, so it merely low.

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It's called small scale, no, it's called micro breweries, but it's defined as the.

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Twenty two thousand five hundred barrels per year, so we made those identical. We.

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Just called it small, so I mean you could go back to pulling it micro brewery as a.

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Group we thought that was clear just because if you pick up any publication.

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About this, it's going to say different things or micro, breweries, not.

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Necessarily in the state there's two different standard battles, measures.

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They're big year so that conversation and I think, if we need to work, we can.

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Nail that down yeah, we can say as consistent with maryland's exactly the.

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Torque, that would be able to can just get nearly different standards and they.

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Need to be so specific, or do we just say as defined it well so then that.

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Fluctuates a lot, so it's what do you and what does.

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Or one--this today, so if you allow it up to maryland law that could change, and so.

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What you have set today could be much larger, I think, wasn't it the best.

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Practice or best stander was 15,000 but maryland's a little more generous at the.

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20 to 5 so quick change and one concern that that is you're also allowing and.

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That's why it's difficult with this kind of narrow amendment you're, also allowing.

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The small scale microbreweries in the commercial districts, so that's why it.

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Was nailed down as 20 to 5, because if the state does feel bigger that might.

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Not be something these other guys, you wanted to see in c2 and c3 districts.

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Okay, big bird's, local other counties, the blind dog and rodrick, is in industrial.

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All the ones I've been in duster howard's, all in like an industrial.

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Complexes what you do you're, starting to see them more and more! That's about you.

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Know but there's a knowing that there's another new one. That's like now that may.

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Be appropriate in a commercial c3, yeah iii, which is what you recommended to you.

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Recommended, and so kitsch is why we separated out small scale from.

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So this is what you saw with your message of recommendation to the board.

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That they are discussing currently so in the ir amendments and I'll going back to.

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Current zoning, the I arm and then when associated with a brewery or micro.

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Brewery and pursuant to section 158, oh seven, nine allowing for tasting rooms.

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Accessory food cells to accompany the beverage tasty retail sales facilities.

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For the sale of novelty and gift items related to the beverage guided tours and.

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Promotional activities and then the i1 draft just allows from the consumption.

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Or tasting of alcohol produced produced on site at a brewery, small-scale brewery.

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Provided that the air for this purpose does not exceed 49 percent of the total.

F

Building again because that gets over, if it's, if you're having one of these.

F

Retail sales servicing things in your industrial. At what point does it tip.

F

Over from being industrial to more commercial retail service base and.

F

That's why that forty nine percent was put in there, and that was someone at the.

C

Request of the zoning administrator on an enforcement from an enforcement.

C

Aspect not that he would go in and be able to measure. But when something is.

C

Being permitted, it would determine how much parking was needed based on what.

C

The inside of the building was being used for so in general and accessory use.

C

In general should be less than half of the entire use, so that was pretty much.

C

At his request, a wheel and did agree with it at the time that is not included.

C

In the proposal before you.

F

So these are just some of the major differences between the two that.

F

Microbrewery is not defined and the proposal that's been brought before you.

F

I'm so at a minimum you know you may want to consider having micro, brewery or.

F

Small-Scale to find us, we did before the ir. Amendment only adds us use to the ir.

F

Not the commercial districts so again, this is very narrowly focused to the.

F

Wondershare planning commission proposal limits accessory use, as we said again to.

F

That 49% of the floor area and there's no limit it seems on the amendment.

F

That's been brought before you and then the ironman specifically mentions food.

F

Retail sales guided tours promotional activity all that stuff language. That's.

F

Identical to the language adopted last year that we had in the farm, alcohol.

F

Producers, if you recall that that we brought that was brought forward with.

F

The I district, so that's pretty much the gist of it tonight was to introduce this.

F

Teal and have some discussion about your thoughts on how to move forward, and you.

F

Know we should make a recommendation on our next planning commission meeting.

F

During our work session I mean I'm sorry business meeting to finalize things so.

F

What are what are the thoughts here well for one, I think we should keep.

A

Commercial-Free in here in what what they proposed, it's just industrially.

A

Correct so this is just for our current ir attack so that you see all of the.

F

Commercial industrial employment campus that they have forwarded. That's what.

F

They have forwarded to them. There's no new recommendation for that. You're.

F

Looking at what's existing on the ground today, so this is correct. This is on the.

F

Current ir but but going match that if there's fundamental things that come out.

F

Of this that actually change how the i1 would then work.

F

The irs essentially becoming I one, then that will have to be reconciled with the.

F

Commissioners, prior to the adoption of that text, because what we don't want to.

F

Have happen: is this gross mismatch of to choose how many districts to is there.

E

Any discussion, the additional discussion about the 49%.

F

They're here today, yeah your father would have been so. What initiated this.

J

Request is that st. john's properties has a tenant who is actually interested.

J

In starting a brewery and, as you all know, there's an undefined timeline for.

J

When the new text will be adopted, so even if the new text would adequately.

J

Provide for this new tenant that prevents them from being able to lease.

J

To them, anytime, you know, within a within a period where that tenant will walk in.

J

And say yes, this works for me, so that was the initiation for the request for.

J

The text amendment and I will just say that you know having like I am familiar.

J

With this date, alcoholic beverage laws and regulations and the terminology of.

J

Brewery and micro, brewery and all of these things and how they play out in a.

J

State so the request here is an ir district but you're correct and the new.

J

Text, the small-scale breweries which equate in the state to a micro, brewery.

J

Currently are going to be allowed, assuming the text goes.

J

All the commercial districts, so as the text is now not considering the new.

J

Proposed text the only place that a brewery would be allowed is in the ig.

J

District as manufacturing production of alcoholic beverages, so this would.

J

Specifically, allow breweries or micro breweries in the ir and adopt the same.

J

Accessory language as the farm alcohol production ag tech's that you recently.

J

Adopted that also matches with what breweries are allowed to do under their.

J

State licensing so promotional events tours all of those are specifically.

J

Defined in a state alcoholic beverage statutes, so those are all things that.

J

You know, arguably, without including the accessory use language they could do.

J

Anyways, but I just thought it cleaned it up to include that in the language and.

J

That's where they differentiated in small scale and no actually, as we.

H

Proposed it, we did put it in this thinking that the size of the property.

C

Would limit it could be very old on that? Well and what the restaurant should be.

C

The accessory party, but then that was something maybe the commissioners wanted.

C

To discuss further, as proposed it was shown in the c1 okay, I apologize. I think.

D

We do need to revisit that we're doing this detached not the time. So are you.

A

Saying see to her mine was not. I took unemployment campus to clarify brewery.

J

Under the proposed text is just the industrial district yeah, a very small.

F

Scale is just the commercial districts, but so that's the proposed text focused.

D

Game of this definition was, you know, for their request, allowing the st. john.

D

Properties to also focus their attention on what's happening exchange, so let me.

A

Get this straight.

A

Once we go through the is that what the commissioners are then gonna want to.

A

Follow or are we gonna, follow what we recommended both pieces of information.

D

Yeah we have to improve. It is one of these things. We went through us to come.

D

To you to come back to us yeah now, I understand why you want to do it right.

A

Before because it will take a while for us to get through that, so I understand.

A

That I'm just concerned about you know we make these changes for this, but then.

A

Go taking a recommendation, I our is to be what you recommended for I one I just.

F

Say, and and put the language of this was in the blue and what we presented to it.

D

We've had a lot of discussion about that. We are being very judicious and very.

D

Guarded on how we are making these decisions, where we're not open up.

D

Pandora's box and making exceptions to exceptions, exceptions to exemptions so.

D

The intent of the board is to address this issue and then move forward with.

D

The definitions and the fact that we're making it we're looking to edit an.

A

Approval before we get right, there's a there's, a chance that other people's or.

A

Threats yeah, you guys did it protect. I want to get mine in there too.

D

So it's a little bit stronger than just on hope that this, but also is.

D

Encouraging us to move forward with these work session. I think this is a.

D

Valid you know, I recommend you presenting it and we had a little.

D

Discussion and with into that regard ourselves problem pandora's box. Yes, so.

E

The issues that we have with text amendments in general is they're almost.

E

Always initiated in this way and they're case-specific right. However, it's not.

E

Good form to write codes based on specific projects. So, while it's coming.

E

From that right and you want to tailor the answer to them, you also have to take.

E

That step back away from them, it's christ regardless and say: okay, what's.

E

Best for everybody make sure you didn't just draw the line.

E

Right behind the door for them and that you excluded somebody else, so I always.

E

Look at this as shining a spotlight on the topic that should be discussed, but.

E

At some point, stepping back away from this outpatient, addressing aesthetic.

E

People and just saying okay: where should we be here yeah likely we end up in the.

E

Same place and we get but but I wouldn't mention again, st. john property and this.

E

I'm insane well what what capacity do you need and where what what square.

E

Footage are you going to have because at some point they shouldn't be at the.

E

Table when it comes to your decision wrap, it might be.

D

It was brought to our attention. It was thought through whether we want to take.

D

This up or not- and that was the first step, but it was looking at it beyond.

D

One's property and looking at how our leaders are changing these definitions.

D

And yeah, so so we kind of walk and we walk through the steps and just for.

J

Clarification, obviously, this text amendment we acknowledge, will apply to the entire arc. I our district and not just the st. john's properties, and you.

J

Know so, in keeping with the other permitted uses in the ir, we do think.

J

It's consistent and it's not like a red herring, that's just thrown in there. You.

J

Know, medical cannabis, dispensary production, all of that's allowed in the.

J

Ir there are other, very, very heavy uses, arguably heavier than a brewery that are.

J

Allowed so I don't, I wouldn't say that this is inconsistent with the text that.

J

It currently exists, and we do have, I know- of at least one brewery. That's.

J

Developed in the ig district, so this would create a little bit more.

J

Opportunity, libraries, do, you know thrive off of more breweries, so it does bring.

J

Increased economic development, when you can have more than just one in the.

J

County, I can't speaks about the municipalities, but I know some of them have recently been adopting text amendments to allow.

J

For breweries and some of their business zones and and industrial zones as well.

J

Just it's kind of just keeping up with the times, because I'm sure that when.

J

This initial text was drafted, not the proposed text, but the old you know the.

B

Original text, the word brewery isn't in there once so. Clearly it was never you.

J

Know it just wasn't a contemplated use at the time it was a manufacturer.

J

Manufacturer for whatching about so frankly, it was all.

A

Right so I mean it's a knocking coming demand and I'm I've had contact from.

J

Multiple clients who are interested in breweries, either in the municipalities or within the county, and so you know, I think it's an opportunity. I think it is.

J

You know in keeping it's it's hard, it's a hard or challenging task to balance.

J

The zoning code with the alcoholic beverage code of the state of maryland.

J

Yes, so that's one of the things that needs to be kept in mind as well. You.

J

Know when we say brewery in michael burry, our small-scale burry and our.

J

Zoning code: what does that mean? How is that interpreted? If we then look at the.

J

Hook, beverage section, so we also did take that into account.

J

And drafting this and looking at that as well and so from our perspective, I don't.

E

Know that, in our discussions, my synopsis of this curve is, do we have a sense for.

E

It or truly care, and what I mean is what we're looking at. What's the implication.

E

Of 22,500, that is this: look. How does this fit into the community? It.

E

Could be 36 but look the same. It could be 12. What we're looking at is: okay,.

E

What's the implication to a 20 to 5 here and overall footage in traffic and.

E

What's this gonna do to the area area, but we've got anything to argue that.

E

Should be 18, we actually had this conversation with the first effective.

K

Tenant and because I asked the exact question, I said you know they're looking.

K

Right now, a language that would ultimately make it 25. Could you live.

K

With that and his response was that the equipment, the brewing equipment that you.

K

Use at the scale that they're talking about right now, if you get to that over.

K

The hundred thousand, which is one of the thresholds at the state, you really have.

K

To it's very different equipment: yes and it's so there's practical limitations to.

K

The equipment using that kind of imposes that whether.

K

It's 22 or 60, or you know the number, but it's there's there's some practical.

K

Limitations of what they're doing there and that's what we know know he that was.

K

His answer, so the question was that they hated whether it was twenty to five or.

K

Or sixty I mean it's when you get to that. That's one hundred thousand.

K

Thresholds at the state the sets forth it's somewhere in that range as you come.

K

Up to that hundred thousand that the equipment changes and they have to do.

K

Something different to be able to meet that kind of a threshold of production.

K

So he couldn't have think that's. Why well part of the problem, not maybe not a.

J

Problem but part of the balance of the zoning code and the state alcoholic.

J

Beverage code is that a class five brewery license allows you to produce.

J

More than twenty two thousand five hundred barrels per year, but it gives.

J

You things that you can't get under the micro brewery license. So a lot of people.

J

Want the class five, which gives them more capacity, even if they're, not using.

F

What you get, yes, they get promotional. I mean I brought the whole text with me.

J

I've actually been reading dirt closely recently, uh but they get promotional.

J

Activities that they can do they get tours and they get the ability to have a tasting room. A micro brewer can not apply to the county for a class d.

J

License and have a tasting room. So, even though we're you know, this is a.

J

Discussion to be had with the commissioners as well, but even though we're allowing for small-scale breweries in the commercial districts, theoretically with the intent that they'll have tasting rooms in retail, they can't under their state license. They cannot have a tasting room so under.

J

A class five they can so even if they're only brewing ten thousand gap, barrels.

J

Per year they might want a full class 5 licence, which technically allows them to.

J

Compare laughter right I don't have to, but they.

J

Could and so that's designing administrator interpretation questions.

J

Okay, if they're not how do they prove that they're, not using that whole capacity? How do they prove that they're meeting the 20 to 5, you know so it's.

I

Always that you think oh, this was needed in the code, the tasting room and the.

I

Promo and all the others well, I felt like it mirrored the state text and also.

J

Here's the farm, alcohol production text, so I just felt like it was a good.

J

Clarification, I honestly from a legal perspective. I think, if you're allowing a.

J

Brewery in there, arguably a tasting room as an accessory use without it being.

J

Installed what steps you that I mean this seems pretty I mean I kind of agree.

I

It seems like maybe it should be included in our even our newer. I one.

I

Sure the only issue was whether or not you're limiting it to the 49%, because.

C

Then it is subject to interpretation and change didn't feel strongly. He needs.

C

Some guidance on it. What's truly, that is, he takes over the actual production 9%.

H

Was a major difference between the two proposals, as well as including the.

C

Definition, I think, from jeff's perspective. Those are the two things as.

C

Far as allowing breweries and micro breweries in the ir, which will be the I.

C

Want it's identical we planned along and allowing them. So it's not so much the.

C

Allowance of them, as it is again, defining it and then defining what an.

C

Accessory uses kind of a feel about other 29%, so we actually have a tenant.

K

In baltimore county, who is just finishing putting together one of these.

K

Facilities and that they're finishing their build out they've started believe.

K

They started their brewing now and I actually talked to our space planning.

K

People the other day, the ones that actually lay out the space forming designer and all that and one of the things that that that particular tenant.

K

Wanted was, I was able to get the permit for was an outside seating area. When you.

K

Added that to the space it exceeded the 50%, and I suspect that it's going to be.

K

Similar we've talked to others who wanted to do events in some of our other.

K

Buildings and things like that, there seems to be a culture in the way that.

K

These things happen what people would expect, so I would suggest that that 49%.

K

Like it's a, I guess, it's a nice number to have. You may want to prep suggest.

K

That the staff, if you haven't already had the opportunity to do so, you might.

K

Look at some of these operations and see how they function, how the floor space.

K

Actually talked, though they don't it's not about food, but we've seen it. It's.

C

Less than part of the problem, if I can jump in about the accessories used in a.

J

49% would be that for maybe budweiser, that's totally like you want to limit.

J

Your tasting room, you know because you've got a massive manufacturer, but.

J

For some of these people, if you're, if we're trying to encourage the small.

J

Scale guys their production area might not be that big and then, if we're.

J

Limiting them to forty nine percent of that as their you know, the arc arc.

J

County liquor board currently has a class d, which is the license. You would.

J

Get if you were a brewery and not a full restaurant, they have a 7,000 square foot.

J

Premises limitation, so you know, and they have the ability to also place those.

J

Restrictions on the that area, I'm not suggesting that that's the same as an.

J

Accessory use, obviously, but there are other other ways and you know I will.

J

Also suggest that there are me there's much case all about accessory uses and.

J

How they're determined to be accessory and what makes them accessory and some.

J

You know there's some train of thought that thinks the forty-nine percent is a.

J

Good rule across the board for all accessory uses, but sometimes that.

J

Doesn't make sense? Sometimes it is very case specific and you know, depending on.

J

Your square footage, or whatever of the space that's being defined 29%, might fill your small brewery with having their tasters.

J

Is what jake wants something? That's quantifiable easier for him to just jake.

F

Taking the thought was that you know we wanted to make our own death the.

F

Original promise, even rewinding all the way back was that we want an industrial.

F

To be more industrial like that, i1 and i2, and and kind of remove some of the.

F

More commercially aspects to it because of you know the walmart's coming in.

F

Where we had, I want and things like that, so then, with regards to this, you know.

F

The thought was well, we want to keep it more industrial, it was that percentage.

F

To say, okay, you have a quite tip d'oeuvre to that commercial ground. You.

F

Still mostly manufacturing of some sort of producing of some sort, that was.

F

Really like the principle upon which this came out of was thinking in terms.

F

Of okay, here's here's the rules of engagement, everyone set out- and you know.

F

I'm not trying to be rigid but trying to keep within those those columns and if a.

C

Restaurant isn't permitted in the new i1 and something is 60%. Restaurant and 40%.

C

And infection jay does have a problem because then somebody can say well we're.

C

A brewery and he's going to get it and how's he gonna yeah, if they're to.

C

Permitted uses it works out, just fine like in the commercial districts. It wouldn't really matter. They're, both gonna be promoted, so it wouldn't matter, but in the industrial district, yes and purnama, is where image change things.

F

Like I was the other thing, problematically same name.

G

These are things that were brought up by development review and zoning.

F

Administrator, definitely a site plan perspective as far as parking requirements of things like back of how they would look at it differently.

F

And so, and maybe it would help to have james? Yes, when you consider this again, I.

K

Mean you just want to be careful not to set up a situation that requires every.

K

Two years so again, our perspective is based on its impact to the community.

E

Summing it up sort of generalities, and I mean how many square footage it takes to.

E

Do 2,000 barrels a month we don't know is that 3,000 or 8,000. So I'm up.

E

Struggling with why the code would end up being the losing variable at all.

E

And why we- and they are coming in asking for a dog but maybe end up with the pony.

E

Because, from my perspective, if this is already regulated by outside.

E

Organizations, why are we trying to rock the line? Why wouldn't we just fold in.

E

The box a little bit further, these other groups are more nimble and have a better.

E

Understanding of the implications of their numbers, some of you threw around.

E

7,000 square feet through many different numbers: those are done by the liquor.

E

Boards or by the health department or and they have a reason for those.

E

Numbers, if we can, I can't sit here and tell you why I came up number. I.

E

Shouldn't be here, so I would think that we would want to try and let the.

E

Industry regulate itself a little bit and in many times these industrial areas.

E

The implications for the community are the least concern we sort of put them.

E

There, because it doesn't matter quite as much as long as somebody's oil base say.

E

Something else it really doesn't matter as much. They are usually shielded from the public view in in many ways. So if anything, this is a property. Did it don't.

E

Have my eye on it as being a huge concern for the kingdom specifically.

E

Your property- this has put something there was a mixture of stuff back there.

E

Which indicates that a lot of the entranceways as far as traffic and stuff.

E

Whether somebody's going to a commercial property retail center or.

E

Walk free the same you still drive do the same, so we don't really know what.

E

You're doing back there, it doesn't make a huge difference to us again. Why are we.

E

Regulating something- and maybe we should consider which it would eliminate a lot.

A

Of variances as time goes by well, they can't get a variance from the definition.

C

So that wouldn't be right.

E

He rents it to the same guy. Who were these two companies who sticks the two businesses together and I understand parking the parking regulation.

J

Discussion and that's maybe not always around the cycling process. I understand.

J

The parking regulation, discussion and that sort of thing and how we would.

J

Implement that, but it's someone akin to a medical cannabis dispensary, where you.

J

Have a very small portion: that's actually open to the public and then a larger portion. That's actually the backroom or a pharmaceutical type office.

J

Space giant bolts that sort that so you know it would be. I would I would.

J

Envision, it's being presented on a site flange in a similar fashion like this, is.

J

The taste you know a drawn-out: this is the tasting room area similar to what.

J

Almost exactly was presented to liquor board when we have to come in for don't.

C

They have to okay, exactly the license premises, so I you know, I understand that.

J

But I think that there's different ways to address that rather than.

J

By putting a percentage limitation on it, what what kind of squared you're talking.

E

About just ten fifty hundred- and we generally so they're reasonably small, it.

J

Sorts, it's a very I mean. Are you familiar with pub dog on route, one every.

J

Route- thirty one, that's the one in the county that jumps to mind is the brewery.

J

That's developed in the ige under the alcohol production manufacturing they.

J

Have a small tap room, but there I mean pub dogs, a pretty big brewery in terms.

J

Of where they disturb us to you know its presence, maybe not physically there's.

J

Things really is not that large, but but there their presence is large or the air.

J

A class-five brewery license so things. We also have to consider something. I.

E

Imagined astoria, where we have some big businesses together, but you also.

E

Mentioned some of these breweries like to sort of join together, the presence of.

E

One tends to be able to make it more palatable somebody else I met yeah, so.

E

Then we would have to consider the fact that maybe three totally unrelated businesses and under the same area, what's the implications, does a change.

E

The landscape, because, as soon as its own, that way great that's up to these guys to choose. But the liquor and the liquor board will.

C

Control I've seen children in their pajamas. I think pub dog does like a dog.

F

Bring it up dispensary, but it's in the community in no way shape or form.

I

Seasons- and now I see land-use characteristic wise may be the same.

J

Public review, I've definitely not yeah, and I agree if somebody else like I was.

I

Saying like do, we tie it to the maryland code to even limit it in the 22.

I

Five in maryland, are we okay? If we get go above and I don't know, I don't mean I.

I

Don't know what that implicates either it's like do I do. It doesn't really make.

I

That big of a difference, if they moved affording what I know I I think the.

J

Problem that I would encounter would be the zoning administrators interpretation.

J

In a way that the small scale and they're, I don't believe that planning is.

J

Suggesting that you adopt the 22,500 for this, but going forward under the new.

J

Testament I'm wrong, but if, but if they are, you know my response to that. Would.

J

Be that if you say twenty two thousand five hundred is the capacity and we have.

J

A class five brewery license, so we have a greater capacity than that and that's.

B

When the zoning administrator is tasked with interpreting the code and sees that.

J

We have a greater capacity, then we can't operate there and we can't have it still.

C

In the ir, because you're, allowing both brewery and with the text, we propose.

F

No, but they don't work with this proposal, the ayah, the I one would allow.

C

Brewery or a micro brewery, so we write the case of the I wan you could have.

C

Either right I see what you're saying in the text we propose there's three.

A

Different the new text and the current text. But then I've got an easily.

C

Small-Scale is known as eig I had the I to so small-scale is permitted in the i1.

C

And regular brewery is also permitted, so anybody in the eye one would not go.

J

To hell delivery over my brother, it would just be anybody a nice right and j.

F

Would lure that usually ask him what he would look at? How would you determine.

H

That he would look at what you're licensed or that's all he could do it.

F

Don't determine between small well, it also brings up this. You were, as you all.

J

Probably familiar there's a lot of discussion of shade legislature about breweries and they're. Constantly changing and people are constantly asking for changes to the text. So if it does ever change to 23,000, then we can't.

J

Have micro, breweries anywhere see my father's and reference the tournament.

E

From the state level, he'll have a state to defend. Allow the state s as most.

E

Currently defined by the state, you put the terms in quotes or code number or.

E

Something so in a change, then I'd follow their goes to 34:17. It would be.

H

Practically both it's like exactly him, people that actually focus just on this.

E

Topic with the deciding these numbers, not not, it's already changed a couple.

E

Times that it's different from state to state and here even area so private, even.

J

Counting the county, yes, carroll counties does daily create different and let us.

D

Reference, the state's definition to microbrewery yeah. I don't want to.

D

Associate any of this with cannabis, so tell me more about the accessory use and.

E

Why that's important if its principle committed, if it's not principle,.

C

In the commercial because, like she said we're trying to keep the commercial.

I

Commercial cuz, a tasting room, is your kind of similar to when we first looked.

I

At that right now I mean, I think, even in the two years.

I

We've been looking at the commercial in the industrial, the breweries have yeah.

F

Completely to because the whole like two old brute, like the ones in the county in.

I

The industrial areas they're moving to other larger industrial spaces because.

I

They're tasting rooms were too small, you know, and so I think it's it's just.

I

Completely and when you went through the use tables you made restaurants and bars.

C

Both prohibited in the industrial districts unless they're in an.

C

Industrial park and then you allow a percentage so there's actually a few.

C

Things going on, there's the commercial districts, the industrial security, not.

I

Having rapid industrial park, but is this considered a bar? No, it's not when you.

C

Were talking about the accessory on tasting rooms, were you know not a.

J

Principal committed, usually sakura bar in carroll county right now, as it stands.

J

They're all either grandfathered in there's no actual bar county liquor.

J

License that you can obtain, we don't, but the research you can have a brewery just.

I

No taste right, maybe you want that's where you want.

E

In the counter, we're looking to make sure that the big guys there mean a.

E

Space to come in and say watch and that's our baby buddy.

E

7,500 square feet: we don't really care if they're here or not, it's not gonna.

E

Make a big difference before that's concern: they're, just filling existing.

E

Space we wanna. We wanted to carve out industrial space for the county to make.

E

Sure that it was available on a large scale, but again do we care if it's one.

E

Of the implications to the community, what do we care about it from a.

E

Community perspective, whether somebody's coming in to do this or somebody's going.

E

Into so you're saying allow a tasting room. Basically, I'm challenging has to.

E

Figure out why we wouldn't I mean I'm thinking about it now, like I guess.

I

What is the part of their business? I centers yeah, it's pretty much, especially.

F

For the smaller ones, it's pretty much candy. That was the same way with the.

I

Wineries, you know it's it's, it's not the accessory use, it is our business.

E

So, for example, the water is in the iron area. We had an issue because they have.

E

These two thousand people parties it and- and they were in the implications that.

E

The community were significant traffic and rights to, but they have to have.

I

That's actually part of their rights too, but they are the same person. The wedding.

E

Events and stuff with the larger parties and those had implications to noise and.

E

A whole bunch of other things, but I can't come up with what the implications.

E

Are because a tasting right, I don't want to be receptive in this area that sees.

E

Regulated and a bar with an accessory that they were worried for heavy.

D

Yes, that was a claret originally, how did that happen unnecessary and once you.

D

Additional on stability, how? I guess I guess, I'm getting confused tasty.

A

Whatever yeah, but when I go to the guinness brewery, I mean it looks to me.

I

Like they have a bar, but that's a tasting room right.

F

Well, they do have a restaurant there, that's confidential yeah. There is no.

J

There is, there is no county liquor license currently that it would allow.

J

Them to sell liquor, it only allows I'm also here or why. So you can have your.

I

Bar right, but it's not a bar, because you're saying even our distillery is.

J

Currently, undercover liquor laws cannot have a tasting room because we have no.

J

Provision just for those license. Why would we have to spell out the.

D

Percentage unless were directed to by the state, somehow, if we're not, I think.

F

There's some strong concerns by the zoning administrator and development.

F

Review that how they would interpret some of this, we handed here yeah and.

D

That's we had yeah, so I was gonna see chatter from our next medium wall block.

F

Off time to discuss, this will have some more internal discussions, a concept team.

F

But I think they really should be here at the table to tell you some of their.

F

Concerns and maybe they're warranted and maybe they're they're, just the unknown.

F

And how to handle that this? I think that would be because the other thing to do.

E

Is do if you're concerned about this, you know the spread and you could limit.

E

Footage or some overall outside capacity or something, but you have to have a.

E

Reason for coming up with that arbitrary number, just the liquor board have bad.

C

Women, I know the stores that there's yes, yes, class, a has the ten thousand.

E

That's actually a state, that's not your argument. The state is 10,000 square foot.

J

A liquor, a liquor store, a packaged goods store, cannot be bigger than 10,000.

J

Currently, under the county, local rules and regs not imposed by the state there.

J

Is a limitation on the licensed premises for a class d and holder who would be.

J

Any of your tap room's that you see: okay, anybody without food service pass class.

J

D and we have a quota. Currently, we have a quota on class ds in carroll, county.

J

And currently we have a 7,000 square-foot license premise, which you.

J

Know the board is currently just being honest with you is discussing the need.

J

For that, how things are changing with with these breweries and with other.

J

Class d license holders. So that's an ongoing discussion that we've been that.

J

I've been having with the board not a bunch of other guys, but currently there.

J

Are those limitations on the class d we have very, you know there are only three.

J

You can have a class a it's a packaged goods store. You know the class b as a.

J

Restaurant, which requires a certain amount of meals per day, it's literally a.

J

Certain amount of vegetables- yes, yes and and then the class d, which allows for.

J

Only beer in line and it's you know there are other limitations on it. That's.

J

Your only option locally for, like a taste of the last one, do you can they.

E

Don't produce they could like polka couldn't sell wine, they they have a beer.

J

And wine, but under their state manufacturers, license if they're a.

J

Brewery they couldn't like, depending on what type of license they have. They.

J

Could not sell another for like they couldn't support, I mean you should see.

E

Like I hadn't read this text when I started doing these classifieds and.

J

Stuff I mean I read it 10 different times. I talked to the comptroller's.

J

Office, I you know, I talked I have like jorge humberto as pub dog burning like.

J

On speed-dial, because anytime, I have a question he's like go to on this stuff.

H

Because this is just on the three different types of breweries in the.

H

State, like I mean it's, it's very in touch.

J

Well, china, my takeaway would be trying tied the definitions to that moving.

E

Target only be restrictive in a way that actually has an effect on the community.

E

A significant effect and having to be quantifiable so that when a developer.

E

Review or enforcement is trying to find out something that they don't have to.

E

Have some figure they make out the three something and they can walk away when.

E

They know exactly what they're doing so we'll bring this up. Well, we have a.

F

Concept: team meeting coming up before our next planning commission meeting we'll have those discussions and then we'll make sure that those parties are.

F

Here, to be able to inform you about some of their concerns, which are valid and.

D

Allowing those that are responsible, be responsible and those restrictions.

D

Dictate or direct our actions, as opposed to us, trying to define it in addition to.

D

What's already been defined, so I do appreciate that a lot.

D

That makes a lot easier. Okay. So then we can get this resolved at our.

A

Yes, yes, all right item 10 public comment, no public here I.

A

Have a motion to adjourn so moved? Second, all in favor.