Carroll County, MD Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission, 2 Nov 2022

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Okay, all right good evening, I would like to call the.

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um Planning and zoning meetings of carroll county for some reason I'm getting his feedback.

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I'm sorry yeah, I'm hearing that chip. Everyone commute themselves. It's not speaking. I think.

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Laura you're unmuted and uh the control room as well, okay, and if caller one can also identify.

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Themselves when we get started okay, um this is a new classic on three one zero. I don't know if.

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I'm caller one. Sorry, I'm only able to hop on the call here, your caller one: okay, thanks, luke, okay,.

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Okay, if you could mute luke, that would be great.

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Okay, I'm muted on my phone, not sure if it's, if I'm still coming through.

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You are, but what you're? I'm not it's all right, you're, perfect! Now! Thank you. Okay,.

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um I'd like to call the meeting of the planning and zoning commission of.

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Carroll county november, 2nd 2022. um to order and I'd like to welcome everybody.

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um I am the vice chair, janice kirkner, jeff weathers. Our chair could not be with us tonight.

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So I call the meeting to order and welcome everybody. So if we could establish a quorum, laura.

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Mr wallers miss kirkner here mr lester.

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Mr huff here, mr kane, here, mr smith,.

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Luke we see that he's here right, um commissioner, lance and secretary weisenberg.

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Here, mr chair, please let the record reflect that five members are present and we do have a quorum.

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Okay, thank you. Okay, if we could stand for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to.

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The republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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I.E, as everybody had a chance to review the agenda, and if so, I'd like to entertain an approval.

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And I'll second, that, okay, all in favor hi, okay, all right the agenda stands approved. That's right! Okay,.

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Secretary eisenberg hi good evening, everyone and madam chair, thank you for uh chairing the.

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Meeting for us this evening um also just as a reminder, mr klosick, you can vote this.

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Evening because we do not have a full board, so just um you know wanted to make you aware.

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Of that um that your participation you're allowed to vote this evening.

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um Just a few things for administrative matters, I want to bring to your attention um so uh fyi. The.

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Month of december, the carroll county department of plan planning will be working 100 remotely.

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um We're having some office renovations in our ceiling, that's occurring, so we need to vacate.

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Our space, um it's going to be a four plus or minus week project, so we will be vacated.

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From our current office space the month of december, but we will be in for meetings that.

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Does not change an in-person planning commission meeting doesn't change anything for any of our.

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Operations, but just wanted to make you aware in case you needed to pop by and do anything.

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um That our offices will be closed, but if you we need to meet in person other than our schedule.

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Planning, commission we can make arrangements to meet in the county office building at any time.

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um Next, coming up, especially for our new members november this month, is our.

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Administrative rules month and also the month where we uh vote for the chair and vice chair.

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um And we also set up our dates for the next calendar year, starting in january of 23..

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um So laura has prepared that and forwarded that to you all um for your review, we're not going to.

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Go over it, but just to give some thoughts when we do have our next meeting. You see the dates if.

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You have any conflicts that you know of already to perhaps let us know or if you feel like as.

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A consensus, certain dates, don't work. Typically, we try to avoid. um You know the week of thanksgiving.

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We tend to move up that meeting if it coincides um the week of christmas, if it coincides, we typically.

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Move up that meeting july 4th week, we typically cancel that meeting this year july 5th is our.

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Wednesday night meeting that's very challenging for various reasons to have that meeting, but we'll.

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Be going over um all of that at our november um business meeting next, um our um december meeting.

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Is going to be one week earlier than normal and again because that's because of the um uh holiday.

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Break that we have for the christmas holidays, so you'll see that that's the same as it was in.

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Past years, so look for that um as well um changing and then for administrative rules and procedures.

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We don't really have anything one of our items on the agenda this evening uh may result in.

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That we'll see, based on our discussion and we'll, go over that with our presentation.

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um But typically, we've had some concerns in the past, where we've made adjustments for.

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Administrative rules, things that have come up over the calendar year that um were unanticipated or.

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Our rules didn't um account form. We've made those adjustments. I don't think we have anything like.

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That this year, I don't anticipate, is making any changes. Unless someone has a change from the floor.

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um That they want to recommend, but I think we're going to be keeping the rules, as is for now.

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um So that is all I have for my administrative report this evening.

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Excuse me, linda, I can't remember if you mentioned the november 30th meeting, that.

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We will not be having no thank you laura. I appreciate that also we're canceling the.

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November 30th, which is our fifth additional um work session meeting um we're gonna instead.

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Cancel that and keep the december 7th we just don't have enough items for an agenda thanks, laura.

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Janice you're, muted.

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It helps okay item six. The historic preservation commission briefing is that hannah. Yes, that will.

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Be hannah but before she gets started um so and he handled over all the certain presentations gonna.

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Kind of tee it up for her um so hannah is our staff county staff to the historic preservation.

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Commission about a year and a half two years ago, um hpc was completely transferred to the.

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Department of planning planning has always played a staff role to the store preservation. Commission.

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um And it was housed under administrative hearings which is under the county, attorney's office and.

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The county administrator directly um and joe vance was the main lead to that, so it didn't make sense.

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To have two different departments manage this organization and we were doing a lot of work.

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With them, so um we absorbed their functions so now that is completely housed and plain. We had already.

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Done the historic preservation planning portion, so it just made sense to prepare the hpc with that.

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But, as you know, with many boards and commissions, even such as this boarding commission, it's really.

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Hard to keep membership, um you know with changes it's hard to bring on new members and it's hard.

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To keep a small membership that doesn't have um a wide breadth of duties and responsibilities.

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Energized to keep moving forward, um and that's where we are with the historic preservation.

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Commission one of their members is going to be leaving um in november. Hannah will go over that.

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More so and they'll be down to three members with four openings and um instead of trying to.

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Fill those openings again in the community for a volunteer position. We thought it may.

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Be beneficial to have the conversation with you all um and the board of county commissioners of.

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Transferring the duties and responsibilities of the historic preservation commission.

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um To the planning and zoning commission um and we'll again get into more of that, we myself I.

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Had talked to both um uh mr walthers, uh the chair of this commission and the chair, um edwin gregg,.

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From the historic preservation commission, um we had a meeting. I've talked with the commissioners.

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um Briefly about this um one-on-one and we're going before them in open session tomorrow to.

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Have a discussion with the board and have them vote whether they want to forward that as a.

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Recommendation just like we do with any text amendment so the hpc, the membership and their.

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Powers are actually found under our zoning code so because of that, the way that the county code.

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Is written all changes to the zoning code must come from the board of county commissioners to.

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Be uh referred to the planning commission for your review and recommendation so we're going before.

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The board tomorrow to speak with them regarding that and to get to their input on whether they.

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Would like to move the boarding commission um under the historic preservation commission.

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um And with that, I also want to recognize that edwin gray and greg has joined our meeting and.

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He is the current chair of the historic preservation commission and, as I said,.

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um He and jeff wall there's myself hannah and the county attorney uh jamal and all met together.

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To have a discussion about what this transition would look like, what it means um and how we would.

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Move forward, if that is the direction of the board, the recommendation of this body and change of code.

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So with that lengthy introduction, I'm going to hand it over to hannah weber to present to you.

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um What all of this means and give you some additional insight and then we'll be talking.

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About this more, if we move ahead from the board of county commissioners, thanks hannah.

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Yes, so thank you linda. um Let me pull up my presentation.

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um So, as linda um explained, the historic preservation commission is struggling with.

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Retaining members and as linda said, she gave the spiel on kind of. Why we're here.

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um I'm kind of going to go into what the historic preservation commission is. What.

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The responsibilities are, and things of that nature, so is everyone able to see my screen.

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Okay, so um there's no action required tonight. um This is just an introduction into this into the.

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Discussion so the purpose of the hpc, um their purpose is to foster and safeguard the heritage.

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Of the county, by preserving sites, structures and districts of historic significance inside.

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The historic district overlay or the hdo, the commission decides whether to grant requests.

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For exterior changes to a property inside the hdo after a hearing on the application.

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As linda mentioned, the hpc rules and regulations are found in the county, zoting ordinance under.

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Chapter 158095 and it's found under the historic district overlay chapter.

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So in the county, the only place where the historic district overlay covers is the.

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Historic district of uniontown, so this means that any resident that falls in the historic.

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District overlay must apply to have apply for a work permit to be approved by the hpc.

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So basically, any person that lives in the historic district of uniontown will apply.

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To have a work permit say if they want to have a renovation on their windows a tree.

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Removal or things like that that would have to be approved by the hpc, so the hdo is this purple.

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Area, it's approximately 156 acres and includes approximately 100 properties and just historic.

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District of uniontown is listed on both the national and the county. Historic register.

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So linda mentioned this at the top, but the hpc currently only has three active.

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Members, so it's been a struggle to get new members and retain the members we do have.

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um And we need the members to obviously have a commission to be able to serve the residents of.

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Uniontown, so some benefits of transitioning, the hpc to the planning commission authority would be.

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That the planning commission has more than double the number of board members that the hpc has so.

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This would prevent the likelihood of not having enough hpc members available when a resident needs.

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To have a application approved also, the planning commission has more of a public following which.

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Could prove beneficial and public awareness of the hpc, their role and the importance of.

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Historic preservation overall and then lastly, more public awareness of the hpc could possibly lead to.

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The expansion of the historic district overlay to similar historic districts such as uniontown.

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So that's it for my very quick presentation. As linda said, we have time scheduled with.

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The commissioners coming up and then, if that all moves forward, we will be.

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Back in front of you at your november business meeting for more discussion.

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And so the reason we wanted to do this tonight is we didn't want this body hearing about it as.

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An agenda item from the commissioners and us not having come to talk to you to give you the heads.

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Up um as a total planning commission that this was happening, um I know that edwin greg is on.

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The line um mr greg, do you want to offer anything else with regard to this discussion this evening,.

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uh Yeah, but I want to clarify something um I was under the impression that the commissioner.

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This is going before the commissioners next week, not this week. Is that correct.

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That might have been my bad yes, five items in front of the board tomorrow I truly apologize. I can't keep it all straight.

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In my head together next week next week, because I plan to be there um just a little overview.

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um Everything that hannah said is very accurate and um we do had we.

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Had some we had some perspective, uh we try to encourage residents of union to have to join.

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um Commission and part of the part of the problem is: we've only got one right now, who.

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Is a resident I would love to see more and we've endeavored to get more on the board.

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um But um one thing that I want to point out that I'm not.

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For many people know the numbers above the historic preservation. Commission, if you read the.

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Code also says that we should also be advisory for other historic sites in carroll, county and.

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We've never really gotten very involved with that, and but I think it's interesting to note this.

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um In carroll county, first of all, an inventory of historic properties is over 800 separate sites are.

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On the inventory of potential historic sites, I say potential because- and these are tough screenings.

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To get on this inventory, first of all, it's a 10 page inquiry, and uh it is what the inventory says.

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Is these potentially can then move on to actually a recognition at a national status? That is the.

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National register of historic places, so we have over 850 historic sites that have been identified.

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And validated in carroll county number: two we have 50 houses or sites, I should say not necessarily.

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All houses that are on the national register of historic places in carroll county. Neither of these.

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Do we have any purview over, but it's important to recognize that they are also out there and.

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Being on the national register means they've gone the next step past an inventory listing.

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And have actually been recognized as historically significant, and then we have 12 historic districts.

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I'm not sure if everybody understands that um we're just one of those 12 and we're one of the.

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Few, the reason why we have a commission is because of one when uniontown was codified as a historic.

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District in county code, it was included that there would be an administrative function which created.

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The historic preservation commission, I'm also aware that westminster's historic commission uh is.

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Is it exists to to monitor their activities in the city of westminster, but there are other places, I'm.

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Not sure sykesville has a historic district. Tony town has a historic district and are you ready.

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For this, linwood is a historic district, so is mckinstream mills, a historic district. That means.

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They're on the national register, but it's more than one site collected together, like uniontown.

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Is 70 some a little over 70 residences every one of those could go on the national register.

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And be one there, but instead they included them as a large district. So there's a lot out there.

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Involved with historic preservation beyond just our historic preservation, commission.

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I'm not suggesting that we go and be proactive and start grabbing things out there. I'm just saying.

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That there are things that, for example, if somebody on the uh inventory decides they would like to go.

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And be nominated to go on the national register. We could help them with that at least guide them.

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Into the proper people that would then document it and and go through the procedure through the.

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State of maryland and the secretary of interior in washington, so those are the kinds of things we.

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Can do as well as advice on existing properties uh 850 on the inventories, a lot of history properties.

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So that's that's a little overview of historic preservation in carroll county. Any questions.

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Thank you so much. I find it very insightful and you have such a great knowledge of all.

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Things, historical and building: it's really wonderful! Thank you. So much.

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You're welcome. I appreciate your speaking up about that because that's not something.

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That's been in it or purview, although it's very interesting, so I think um it'll be.

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Interesting to see what the commissioners say, matt do you have anything on that.

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No okay, michael, I might go ahead. I'd like that one I was wanted to add one other.

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Thing- and that was about two or three years ago, commissioner steve wanks uh was approached by.

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um Some citizens um and they were concerned about whether it was recognized whatever.

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I can I don't remember where the site was uh was recognized by the county as as his.

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Historic and, and uh so he got together, the commission and we sat down and discussed.

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um Perhaps and- and I think tim burke was there too, to give us legal guidance that said it was.

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Within our our mandate to at least give advice and to advise uh for historic sites throughout.

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Carroll county, so the so at least, and I'm not sure if steve wentz, uh commissioner wentz, had.

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Reviewed that with his fellow commissioners, but um that was that was agreed to about three years ago,.

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Sergeant interrupt that that's okay! Thank you! Michael did. You have something you wanted.

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To say well actually, edwin uh clarified uh what I was going to ask uh with this.

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uh Statements right there, but I guess to summarize, since I'm a newbie, relatively newbie.

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To keep this straight in my head, so each of the municipalities westminster mount airy, et cetera,.

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Etc, they have their own historic uh preservation, commissions or committees, and then each has like.

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A his like a designated historic district and I'm pretty sure they all have commissions that.

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Overseed those districts and then since uniontown, fell outside of those. It fell under the the county.

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You know got it: okay, all right! That makes sense. Thank you and that's because each municipality.

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Has their own local land use authority? So you know that just falls under their their common council.

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And how they are chartered um and- and this is not an incorporating in towns- are not incorporated.

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um And it falls under the county, yep yeah, okay, but that does raise the question about linwood.

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And mckinstry's mill, which are not incorporated areas at all and they are a historic district.

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And I I have not researched it yet, um but it's interesting to find that. No, when that.

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Was put in as a historic district that there was no administrative group to monitor that.

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Well, that's that's something for future. I suspect um stephen. I saw you.

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Go green, is there something you wanted to add.

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You no no, I just went green, so I could add that I didn't want.

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Okay, all right: okay,.

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Well, thank you edwin. um Do we have any callers on? I don't see anybody. I don't think.

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And by the way, call me ed is fine, not edwin, yeah. Okay, all right.

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um Chris, do we have anybody on? You, have no callers online.

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All right, then, thank you hannah for the presentation and we look forward.

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To hearing how it turns out, so the meeting is next thursday, the 10th next thursday, an open.

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Session, yes, correct, thank you for correcting me. That's okay, all right! Thank you. Okay,.

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um I guess next is the water and sewer master plan full amendment.

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So that is right there you go yes good evening.

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Controller could have control putting share my screen. Please.

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Can everybody see that all right so as you're probably used to by now this is the fall amendment.

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To our water sewer master plan, we do amendments twice a year. This is the fall one that we're doing.

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And just so, you know we are not going to do one in the spring because we are trying to finalize.

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The trilineal update, which is every three years so we're going to forego the spring amendment coming.

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Up and hopefully have late spring early summer, the trilineal update for the overall carroll county.

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Master learning center master plan in front of you to look over and certify consistency.

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So this has, we have a couple of map amendments and one amendment for the chapters the maps.

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Container for freedom, sykesville, water and sewer, the hampstead water and sewer.

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Service area manchester water and then the city of westminster, updated their chapter.

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So here is the the freedom one of the forces in the freedom area. These four properties, which.

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Were 371 373 and 411, and the big property 222 are partial. 222 are under contract by st john's.

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Properties and they requested to be brought into the water service or the sewer service.

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Area, I'm sorry um these properties, when you do the calculations and there's more in-depth.

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Information in the package that I sent out or that laura sent out the estimated demand for.

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These properties is 8, 400, gallons, total for all four properties, and the this demand is.

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Able to come in because of the unutilized portion of demand or disabled properties when those were.

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uh Brought in less intense than we were than we have thought.

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Again, we have four additional properties. This is liberty, road and cleve mill, road.

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uh The owners of these properties came forward requesting for these properties to come in.

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Three of the four actually two of the four are currently have structures on them and are being.

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Utilized the top portion, the top triangle is where a I believe that was a barbecue restaurant.

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Burned down roughly four or five years ago, and then the big parcel at the bottom near what is.

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Known as long reach, farms, which I brought in front of this commission, I believe, was last year.

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That property was purchased to hopefully identify and be able to put additional septic on.

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The septics in this area, they are having issues, they've, replaced them multiple times and they've.

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Tried to repair them, it's to the point where unfortunately, they're not able to do much anymore.

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And that property, where they the big, parcel, where they hope they were able to actually.

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With the additional skeptics on the first came back and did not show what they were looking for.

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So they are requesting for these four properties to come in and they're actually requesting 5600.

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Gallons for all all four parcels, that is a little bit more than what these parcels would.

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Estimate the demand would be, however, with existing uses already in in play, uh both being restaurants.

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As well as a a shell building on the front portion and any potential that could come down, the road.

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5600 gallons is what.

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Would work and be best for them? They did talk with our department of utilities and they verified that.

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Yes, 5, 600 gallons would suffice for what they could potentially do to cover the two of the.

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Three existing buildings and any redevelopment of the two end piece. The two end parcels.

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This porcel right here was a emerging, an emergency connection. I've talked to the.

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Landowners and after they purchased the property, they began having issues with their septic system.

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And when they looked at trying to either replace it, there was not enough area that.

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Had suitable perks, so they actually are under con. They were under contract for a while to.

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Have a a septic company come out and pump their septic system out twice a month, this property? I.

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Believe is already connected, so this is just after the fact, since it was an emergency connection, we.

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Went ahead talked with the health department mde, and they were okay with them going ahead.

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To connect knowing that we were going to amend the plans showing them to come into the system.

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So, as you can see you have, this is the cleat mill road property for cleanville road.

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uh Also known as the tevis properties, I see my circle decided to move a little bit. This.

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Is the st john's properties and right here is the the one residential property on linton road.

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At the same time, they decided, since they were actually going to have a yard messed.

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Up they were it by it would be beneficial for them to go ahead and tie into into water. So.

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Talking with utilities, they were okay with letting them connect and, as you can see,.

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There's a line that actually ran already ran down. All the connections were in the.

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In the road, so all they had to do was uh connect at the actual at the property line.

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And again for the water, it's right up here.

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Westminster came to us, they up did a total uh update to their chapter, 15 and or sorry.

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Their water chapter and the table for their water uh demands. This is based on and I guess.

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You've probably seen some of the news where they were doing a pilot study for water reuse of the.

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The wastewater from the sewer treatment plant that pile of study has now been complete and.

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They are in the process of continuing to move forward with working with mde, as they designed.

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And hopefully complete the permitting process with this update, what they did and you'll see in.

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The I'll skip ahead, real, quick and I'll go back! Sorry! If I'm making you a little seasick here.

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um What that property, what that did in westminster, is they already had 500, 000 gallons in priority.

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And 500, 000 gallons in the future planning area due to two projects, they were looking to do in.

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Little pipe creek and the big pike creek those projects now are on the back burner. Since this.

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Pile of study did so well, however, it says those 500, 000 gallons were still there. So what we did.

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Working with them and working with mde, and we added a footnote, footnote 11, staging that the.

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Westminster water reuse facility phase, one um engineering construction was complete, so 500.

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000 gallons is included these two construction complete and reevaluate water allocation under.

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Future planning is 500, 000 gallons, so, even though they're they're, adding 500 000 gallons, is existing.

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Demand or existing I'm sorry capacity that is already there due to.

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The fact that they had two projects they were that already had those in both both areas. They chose to.

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Move a different direction, so I will go back real, quick.

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And we have this: is this town of manchester they came to us. This is a more of a map. Amendment.

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Although it did change their demand calculations just a little bit, there's three properties.

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Hopefully, you can see my cursor this backwards p right here as well as this long portion.

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Right here on the southern portion, those were very current. They were shown as existing. Neither.

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Of these properties are uh connected currently, and there are no plans to connect at all in the future.

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uh So they requested those to be removed from the service area put in a long range so that.

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Recouped a little bit of of demand, uh roughly just shy of a thousand gallons so at the table, as you.

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You may see the way our calculations are done in decimal points. It dropped by a thousand gallons.

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The property that is sandwiched in between that is the dark blue. That property actually is currently.

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Served it was not shown currently served in the current maps, so we're just showing that currently.

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Served that usage is actually already captured in our existing or uh present day planning for water.

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So those calculations are already in there, so that does not affect anything at all and again, you'll.

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See this is right above what I call the lippy brothers property right across the street from.

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Manchester valley high and then finally, we have the hampstead water and sewer service area.

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This property- this is known as lizzy's lockers, is currently shown and has existing water.

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They are looking to build a small restroom for the management office.

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Based so they needed to be brought into the system, so they could connect. They were in.

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Future now we're just bringing them into priorities and they can go ahead and get.

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That built and connect so that that demand from future will move the priority. However,.

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It's so minimal, it doesn't affect the tables it's just, but it has been moved.

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And then this is the formerly known as the solo cup property, also known as the dark property. Now.

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It is the penguin random house property, they are looking to annex into the town of hampstead and.

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They are currently served by sewer, which is overseen by the county uh by the county itself.

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They requested to, and actually the town have requested for them to come into the system.

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um Due to the annexation coming up, but although this property is large and it's 52 acres.

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With a potential demand of 41, 000 gallons plus the information that we used and the.

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Demand that we used for water is based on the existing sewer, which we did an.

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Average over the last five plus years, which came in below 500 gallons per day. However,.

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We put in 500 gallons per day should they increase a little bit. There is a note that we did put in.

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The table table 32. I'm sorry table 15. that states that the priority water demand is based on a 500.

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Gallon per day average for sewer and should a change of use occur, which requires a greater.

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Demand re-evaluation of a town's capacity is needed to ensure the town is able to supply.

H

This increased demand, so that was put in there in essence, should uh pink and random house either.

H

Really ramp up their production, their their production when it comes to storage of of.

H

Warehousing books and all the other things that they have, but they need to increase their.

H

Employee demand greatly, or should they leave, and something comes in that may utilize a lot more.

H

Water, this is our our safeguard to. Let them know that, yes, even though it shows you're an existing.

H

You're only based on 500 gallons per day, so we need to reevaluate, and this gives the town the.

H

Ability to say, okay at this point, we may not have the ability to give any greater than 500 gallons.

H

A day or yes, we can increase and then we would do that and add. uh We would update table 15.

H

So, as you saw, we've updated the maps, we've done, demand calculations and the town of manchester.

H

On october, 18th they're playing commission certified consistency with their master plans.

H

The city of westminster after october, 20th planning, commission meeting.

H

Certified consistency at their plan with their plans. I'm sorry.

H

And on october 26th, the town of hampstead certified consistency with their master plan.

H

So the next step for me I'll actually be briefing the board of county commissioners on thursday.

H

Pertaining I'm sorry on december, the 8th, because we want to. I want to brief the new board and it'll.

H

Be a more in-depth briefing since this is going to be. You know four new members, and then we also.

H

Requesting public hearing, which most likely would probably be in january, uh depending on.

H

How we're able to get things done with the makeup conference coming up.

H

And all that so did the briefing for the board of county commissioners will be december. 8Th.

H

And again, that'll be with the new the new commission, so this evening, we're all looking for.

H

The recommended motion is for the carroll county planning and zoning commission to certify that the.

H

Recommended amendments to the 2019 carroll county, water sewer master plan are consistent with with.

H

The 2014 county master plan, as amended 2019 in the 2018 freedom community, comprehensive plan.

H

That is it if you have any questions I'll, be happy to answer them. Okay, um thank you. I I don't have.

A

Any questions I think it's pretty straightforward, but I do want to state that um the three of the.

A

Properties in sykesville, um 311, 3, 4, 11, 373 and 371.. I was um a party to helping the sellers.

A

Sell that property- um I have no further engagement there on that, but did want that to be acknowledged.

A

um And I guess um stephen, I see you have your green light on.

F

No I'm good, I just turned it on in case we needed a vote. That's all.

A

Okay, all right um does anybody else from the commission have anything they want to say.

A

Okay, do we have any public.

A

That has a question.

A

Okay hearing none, then I would entertain a motion. I guess that we.

A

um Certified with so the recommended motions before you matt I'll, make a motion that we.

F

Certify the recommended amendments to the 2019 water and sewer master plan. A second.

A

Okay, any discussion any other questions. Okay, then, all in favor.

F

uh All right, okay, all right, and should we do we hear from luke? Do we have enough members vote.

B

um I recorded mr k, mr hoff, mr smith. um Mr closer did you want to vote on this measure.

B

B

C

Yeah, sorry, you guys have me muted, so I can't say: hi, oh.

B

Okay, okay, so you're you're in favor. Okay, thank you.

A

Okay, um then I I think it stands approved and um we will forward that to the commissioners.

A

Thank you, okay. Next, on the agenda, um is there any general public comment.

B

A general public um okay um in the meeting this evening right me, neither okay, then I think.

A

um That makes it an evening for us, so if somebody would like to.

A

Make a motion to adjourn I'm happy to entertain it I'll make the motion that we uh adjourn.

G

A second okay, all righty, okay, um I assume I'll learn paper.

A

So all right, thank you all and we'll see you on the 15th. Thank you all right see you guys, then.