Carroll County, MD Commissioner Ed Rothstein- District 5, 9 Mar 2022

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Okay, let's uh let's get started- and I appreciate all of you uh being here as always, I'm going to do.

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One this morning and then I'll do one this evening. So if you didn't get enough of me this morning,.

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Feel free to come back this evening. I rather you not, because they'll be the same jokes. I.

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Say this morning as this evening, but one thing I do want to share and I do train to standard.

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Not to time it's that army thing, so when we're done we're done whether it's you know, uh 11 30,.

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If it's 11 it's your time and we'll go as long as you want um until we get kicked out.

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By those that are eating lunch or getting their lunch, maybe I'm not sure one thing I do want to.

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Share is what is near and dear, what's happening in ukraine and around the world as it affects us, but.

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Also, as it affects the world, there are now close to two million refugees that have left ukraine.

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I'm from ukraine from the very southern part you would never know, but that's where I'm from.

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My dad and I went uh on a trip there a handful of years ago and I looked at the pictures.

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Of the trip- and I just pray and my thoughts are that I can take my son and daughter there.

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Someday and see the things that I saw uh with the beautiful people and the strength.

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And courage that they have so not to be on a pulpit in any way, but that's what's on my mind.

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The other thing that's on my mind, although being laughed at by my colleagues, is, I have a bum leg.

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And the reason I have a bum leg is, I learned, never get too close to a horse. That is a bit wildly in.

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The wind- and fortunately he nailed me right here and it could be a whole lot worse, but you're going.

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To see me shaking around a little bit and moving around because it really hurts like the dickens so.

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And my colleague will never let lift this down because the first thing out of her freaking mouth.

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Was what did you do? I ain't doing anything the horse. Freaking kicked me apologize. My language.

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Okay, we have a lot to uh cover this morning. As always, what I'd like to do is.

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Leave as much time during this morning for you to build a dialogue, I am candid, I'm open.

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I will navigate it in the direction you want to be navigated. I will answer the questions as best.

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I know them. I have with me our chief administrator, our planning. Where are you citizen services? We got.

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Dbw, we also have, as I shared a couple of the developers that are going to be looking at.

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Developing two very large parcels down here in the southern part of carroll county. What are known as.

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The bd property and the zabel property and we'll get into them as well. We also are very blessed.

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To have the best sheriff's office in maryland, just like, I believe we have the best school system in.

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Maryland- and we have the sheriff's department- also represented this morning- to share with you why.

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Carroll county is doing so well and.

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How we're doing in the safety and security realm in the southern part of the county, because.

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Sometimes things are misconstrued, I believe in social media. I think social media has a.

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Really good potential for sharing information. I also believe social media can be an excuse.

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To share misinformation and to build on uh the lack of trust.

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Whether it comes from safety, security, quality of life, that's happening in carroll county excuse me.

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And the southern part of carroll county that we're going to talk about.

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I have a a agenda that I am going to follow somewhat. um This is the most important part.

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This is the most important time of us being carroll county commissioners and the reason.

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I say that is, we are just walking in to the budget season and we had an overview.

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Yesterday, I believe the article came out in carroll county times this morning.

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Regarding what our director of uh office management, budget ted zaleski shared with us.

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Yesterday, everything we do regarding the budget, everything we do, we do with transparency in open.

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Session we are very fortunate right now walking into the budget season.

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As looking like, we have more revenue than what was expected when I talk about revenue. I talk.

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About taxes, income, property and recognition, taxes, recognition home sales, but those are the three.

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Large buckets of money that come into carroll county when it comes to revenue now we're also.

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Very blessed with people like celine steckel and our grants, managers who find money elsewhere from.

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The state and federal you know pockets that we can take care of our carroll county community.

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But the the money that we can count on is the revenue that comes in through our taxes, income.

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Property and recreation so obvi well, I will say obviously so that's on my mind is how do we take.

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That 496 million dollars and how do we move it into the areas that we must move it into.

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That are non-discretionary, like our schools, our sheriff's department, our roads,.

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uh Our citizen services and then take away all of that money, and then you got about 10 percent.

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And just making that 10 up right now, but you got a much smaller amount that now becomes discretionary.

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And that's really the candid conversations that we have in the board of commissioners. The reason I'm.

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Sharing this with you is, I need to understand your priorities. So when I sit with my four colleagues, I.

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Can share with them. This is what matters here in the southern part of carroll county in district.

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Five: this is why it matters so much. This is the dollars I want allocated towards this road towards.

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The senior center down here towards anything that you believe is a priority. Everything is on the.

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Table when it comes to uh to to having those open dialogue uh regarding the discretionary dollars.

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Sometimes it's hard to understand that it's not discretionary and discretionary.

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Because one of the things I saw another article about was the schools not paying teachers enough.

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Or not being able to retain teachers, and a lot of the discussion is well just paying more money.

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That sounds really good or carroll county government just paying more money. It sounds.

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That's exactly what we want to do, but we've got to understand the revenue coming in so we're limited.

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On that dollar amount is that discretionary dollars the money we want to use for salaries.

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Or is it money we want to use for turf fields or is it money we want to use for.

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Growing the dog park or increasing lots of different opportunities in the southern part.

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Of the county, that's the dialogue. I want to hear from you. Those are the issues I want you to be.

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Able to share with me so again I can prioritize or help prioritize our requirements and then be your.

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The steward, in going forward with that information.

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What I want to do up front- because I know time is limited for the sheriff's department- is.

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um There's three categories: safety, security and quality of life;.

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Those are the three verticals the three principles that I live by as your county commissioner,.

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um I do believe in a list and learn lead where I listen to you. So I want one-thirds, two-thirds.

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One-Third me talking, two-thirds, you talking, learn from you and then we'll lead together.

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You know with you and making things happen here in carroll, county.

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Nothing is off the table. Nothing is off the table to include the horse. Kick is definitely not off.

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The table, but no anything you want to share any idea. You want to have bring it up and I.

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Will do my best in answering if I can answer it, I will have roberta over here answer it, because.

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She knows a heck of a lot more than I do yeah we work as a team and again we're so blessed.

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To have such a great team to doing things, what I want to do is turn it over to our deputy sheriff.

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To share, what's going on down here in the southern part of the county, which is considered district 9.

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Area 9., so carroll county is broken into different areas and what you're going to.

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Learn if you haven't learned already area 9 is one of the safest, if not the safest,.

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When it comes to calls and activities when it comes with the sheriff's department, so with that.

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You want to get up sure he's a very short man yeah. I am okay good morning everybody. I wish me.

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To have captain america, commander of our of our operations, division which he has patrol school.

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Resource all the stuff that I don't want to do so he's very busy very busy. um So we do. We have nine.

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Patrol areas in carroll county, one through nine, the eldersburg sykesville area- is area number nine.

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We have normally five or six deputies assigned to this area along with merrill state police have a.

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Trooper to assign to the area we have sykesville police also that works in the town of site school.

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Every municipal police officer in carroll county is deputized by show duties. So if.

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There's an emergency, they come out help they have jurisdiction and then they come out help.

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Us so it just adds to our workforce, um which is a really good thing we get along phenomenally with.

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Our six municipalities and our state police great work relationship, um so it really helps to just.

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Expand on the amount of police officers that are actually out here, protecting you.

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Folks, um we do a ton of data-driven enforcement, that's what we do. We have a crime analyst that.

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Painstakingly goes through numbers and figures out where there's a problem and where we need.

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To address an issue, whether it's accidents or a theft here and there, or what have you and she's in.

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Constant contact with both captain of the board and captain van luven who's, our investigative.

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Section commander and they work together and figure out where you need the police to be most.

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Routine patrol happens all the time. You'll always see us out there, but there's some kind of place.

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We are, you want to be proactive, so we know where we need to be to be the best resource.

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For you, folks, we have some numbers for 2021.. um We had 182 reported crimes in your area. Now.

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In the whole year in area, 982 of those no homicides, no robberies so no violent crime.

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Like a business robbery or somebody getting robbed on the street, zero um 97 commercial.

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Thefts shoplifting big box stores, so more than half of those were the big box store thefts.

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People shoplifting, I can tell you, that's a regional problem, the walmarts, the altas.

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um Regional they'll go into all 10 they'll, take seven thousand dollars for fragrances.

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And we've done a real good job working with our allied partners in the region to find.

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Folks that are doing this uh walmart's been an issue. uh Their loss prevention is aggressive, but.

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They're limited um we've met with them numerous numbers times to try to work out the problem. The.

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Problem solving of this theft and unless you have a deputy standing at the door, 24 7, you're, gonna,.

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Have a problem because their their loss prevention is not going out, grounded in a parking lot, and I.

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Get it it's not their job, and with this day and age you never know what you're going to.

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Encounter you do that, so um we're working on those problems that definitely keeps our numbers high.

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um We had 25 theft of autos in area 9 last year and I think 19 of those were hot vehicles.

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Cars, please it's easy! Don't if you park your car in the street you're a garage door, opener.

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Please don't leave your garage door opener in your car, so it breaks into your car. You have access to.

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Your house, it's like having a key little things. It's important, lock your cars. It would prevent a.

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Lot of these people go by and a lot of times it's the folks that have the drug addiction problem.

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That need quick change or your sunglasses or your computer. That's in the car, they'll just walk by.

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And check handles in the middle of the night, no one in steel, um yes, 16 chance to take a picture.

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That's a lot, but it's really not considering georgia county. They still got 60 a.

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So one is too many we get. We did that, but we made 4362 traffic stops in your area. Last year. Our.

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Deputies did that's not including what the federal state police do or sites will do, and yes, we're out.

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There making traffic stops and, yes, we are very aggressive when it comes to speed enforcement.

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The chance of you have injured or being in a car accident in this county is much more likely than.

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You're being involved in a bible crime, that's what it is. So we are out there making sure that the.

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Roads are safe and I know folks ask all the time. Why do you guys just run the radar all the time.

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Why don't you stop all these people? We do that to keep you safe. It's important. It's very important.

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um It works and we will identify a place that had one or two or three accidents and we'll.

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Set up enforcement there to try to slow people down and be a reminder of those 4 300 traffic.

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Stops we had 99 dui arrests in your area last year, it's almost 100 just in your area last year, so.

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Still, a problem, we're very aggressive with the uis state police are very aggressive with the uis.

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47 overdoses in area 9 last year over those six were fatal. That number's been steady.

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The last year or two um with the pandemic, the first year, the.

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Pandemic the numbers actually went up because folks, folks, who are not as active.

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We're not arresting our way out of this problem. We work with the health department. We work with.

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Other resources, people that are a whole lot smarter than me- try to figure out how to.

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Solve this opioid addiction problem over this problem um go 30 miles that way and every corner.

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You can buy her my crack cocaine, it's there, it's supply and demand. It's it's. It's. We try our best.

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We have diversion programs with health department, we uh we try something, you know we different.

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Sometimes we want to arrest people to get them in the system, because they're forced to get treatment.

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Other times it's not the best to put people in jail that have a substance, abuse problem.

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It's a very complicated, complicated issue, so we're working constantly to try to figure out.

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What to do with that? We uh all of our deputies are issuing our cam, so we get on the scene before the.

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Fire ems: we can narcan somebody that's in a overdose and we've saved a whole.

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Lot of lives and brought people back um our firearm and ems folks do a phenomenal job.

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They're great, so we help them out quite a bit any questions, any questions at all. For me.

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That you have I'm going to be sure tweet. So I look forward to targeted.

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You know we keep hearing about, there's a steady increase nationwide.

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The majority of our opioid deaths and overdoses there's some fentanyl involved.

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Now, it's not all opioids, we have, we have prescription meds and we have alcohol. Fentanyl is.

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Very prevalent everywhere in the region, and it's it's I mean we have people that overdose we'll get.

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Through their needles still in their arm as far as they shot up and done so yes, fentanyl is here.

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And they cut it fentanyl. I think a kilo of heroin is 30 000 and kilo. Fentanyl is 12 000. So you can.

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Cut that into heroin and people want to addictive folks who want a good high. It's like everything.

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Else you want the best product and they'll go to the dealers that have fentanyl, because they.

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Know it's a good, high and they'll take that chance not to overdose, and unfortunately it's just it's.

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What we're doing now, it is what it is questions comments. Look at that you must know your job.

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Oh residential burglaries, there was 11 in the area, yes and we have, or we have obviously our crime.

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Our cid our criminal investigation division when we take those reports, our crime scene, tax,.

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And our detectives are assigned those cases so they're very active with our pawns, but.

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One is too many, absolutely one is too many, but for the whole year.

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How um residential homes are nine? I don't know.

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26 000 and again one is way too many, I'm not downplaying that number, but lock your doors.

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uh Be safe, I I have an arm system on my house. That's what I do. I have a ring camera and I'm.

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Not out here selling anything, but this is what I do in my home. I live right outside limbo,.

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And uh that's what richard does and I'm not saying it's going to prevent.

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Everything but the noisy neighbor. We love the nosey neighbor. When I was a kid I didn't even.

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Know your neighbor because they told my mom and dad what I was doing wrong.

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Love the nosy neighbor, you know who's supposed to be in your neighborhood who's. Not if you see.

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Something weird call us we'll come check it out. If they're supposed to be there we'll say: hey.

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Sorry we stopped you, but if we you'd be surprised how many folks are out doing whatever and just.

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Saying something's odd about what's going on with this car that keeps driving up and down the street.

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And it's helpful to us and that's what we get paid to do.

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We'll come out and figure out what's going on and please be the nosy name. We appreciate that.

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So two or three years ago we were promised um next to the eldersburg library that you were.

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Going to have a first responders in the fire department building next to the library now.

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Okay, so that was budgeted for uh 2025., so we do a budget, a five-year budget, so that was.

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um I believe 2025 is when that was going to start. We were providing funding for for that.

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No, no, we determined that the funding could be used to increase.

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The substation that exists on liberty, road on the north side right and we're looking at.

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Additional signage for that as well, but again we were limited in funds, so last budget we.

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Determined to push that off to the right from the five years when we already know.

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At the end of the day, funds, at the end of the day, we do not have the required funds to do that. To.

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Build that substation next to the library so keep in mind, it's not going to change how many deputies.

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Are in this area we will have the same amount of deputies, it would be our convenience. Well, that's.

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Yeah I'm just saying as far as staffing for law enforcement wouldn't change, we wouldn't put more.

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People in that building, because there's a building there, we have a building across the street.

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We don't want our folks hanging out in the building anyway. We want them out on the road, but.

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Oh absolutely, and they do get that support the decision to not fund that substation.

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Next, the library was a decision made by the board of county commissioners last budget.

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um It doesn't mean that it's going to stay off the table, but at this point it's not within.

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The five-year budget, when we that's an important piece also when we do the budget, we do a five-year.

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Budget cycle, as opposed to a one-year budget cycle, a lot of the surrounding jurisdictions.

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Do the one-year two-year budget we end up doing a five-year budget cycle to ensure that we are.

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Funded out five years and right now right as I stand right now, it doesn't look good.

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Five years down, we are in a deficit, so we need to get ourselves back.

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Into the plus so we're starting off better with the forecast that we were given yesterday.

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To get ourselves to a break even point five years down that doesn't include the substation.

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And I understand the issue, but what we did decide was how to strengthen the station, that is, on the.

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North side of twenty six, it does not like the w say it does not take away the police presence.

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And the sheriff's department's presence and it doesn't take away the support, absolutely.

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Doesn't take away the support that we provide our fire and ems out of sykesville station so.

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But but you're right, it's, it is kicking the can and you know making a decision to kick the can.

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Deliberately was an important decision, as we were looking at other requirements and.

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That that's one of them that we decided to do so. I I can't stand here and say we.

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Didn't but it was a deliberate decision that we decided to move this to the right so.

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Thanks what I'd like to do and again, because I can embarrass some people sometimes is I want citizen.

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Services to come up and talk about some of the programs that are happening here in carroll county.

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And specifically down here in south carol, but before she comes up before celine comes up.

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um Most of you know, if you don't I'm a veteran, I used to be military for a long long time.

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We are getting a veterans home on slacks road and I'm very excited about that because.

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We again a very deliberate approach, worked with the secretary of the va secretary owings.

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And the deputy secretary bob finn to share with them why carroll county matters and why.

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A va home is the best place to be here in carroll county in the heart of of maryland, um montgomery.

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County baltimore county were vying for the same opportunity and we kind of were able to push them.

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To the side, the really good part about this is that three quarters of the funding is coming.

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From fed from federal one quarter give or take is coming from the state. We are funding zero from the.

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County, the whole workforce will be contracted out and it's an opportunity to get about 180.

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Skilled workforce in carroll county so talking to the community college and the school system about.

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This opportunity to me it's a great opportunity. It's going to be a state-of-the-art, va home. We.

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Have one here in maryland right now, charlotte hall, this will be the second, so I'm very.

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Excited about this opportunity taking care of our veterans, another way to take care of our veterans.

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Again is not by flagpoles and monuments, but it's about services and the services we provide.

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Deal with the transportation for our veterans, whether it's to marrensburg, west virginia or.

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Green street in baltimore or some of the other clinics, it's uh having veteran support officers.

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That are assigned that are part of our carroll county team, we're the only county that does this.

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In maryland, I'm not sure why, but we are and I've I've shared this sentiment with the state.

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Saying everybody needs to do this because we've got to take care of our veterans, there's still.

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Too many veterans that are not being served and they don't know.

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How to be served or whether they deserve to be served? Every veteran deserves to be served.

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We are having a veterans event on may 15th. I would like to take credit with this idea. I cannot.

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It was uh commissioner, weaver came up with this idea, and the intent is to take.

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To focus on our veterans, post, vietnam and so the 25 30 year old to 65 year olds. But it's really for.

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All veterans and all families and community in carroll county. Nobody knows carroll county, better.

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Than carroll counties, so, let's have a great day focusing our attention on the veterans. It'll be.

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At the farm museum on may 15, 12 to 4 the u.s army field band will be playing which is really cool.

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We will have a helicopter as a static display and we're looking at other.

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Military uh equipment also as a static display. For this event, it's an opportunity to bring all.

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The veteran support organizations also into one location, so all the american legions bfws.

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The mayor, the marine corps league, all of them to one location at the farm museum. So please take.

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This flyer uh share it with um your friends, your neighbors. I would like to see all of you. There.

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uh I think it's a great opportunity again: it's not about funding, flagpoles and monuments. It's.

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About providing services, for who, I believe, are those that you know uh deserve those services. Our.

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Veterans um but there's a lot of other activities going on in citizen services, whether it's uh rent.

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You know support, especially during the pandemic, now we're walking into the post.

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Pandemic community and an era but there's still a lot of catch-up. That needs to be done.

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And celine and her team have done an incredible job, getting the grants getting the opportunities.

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To take care of a lot of commun, uh a large part of the carroll county community through the circle.

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Circle of caring and homeless support. We just did a numbers right, a census, so.

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Let me hand it over to celine share with you some of the things that are happening.

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That are under her purview, but it goes right back to where the sheriff is coming from. If.

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You see something say something if you have an idea, bring it to our attention.

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You bring it to me, I send it off to him or to the sheriff. The responsiveness is so quick. Okay,.

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You can do the same thing if you don't know to call them reach out to me and I'm going.

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To be as responsible as I can, but celine, why don't you share some of the ideas? Yes, ma'am.

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No, it's a good question: it's in the governor's budget as a capital project and I think they're.

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Surveying the property now with the engineering, um I think 2023 is when they're going to do further.

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Engineer surveying so whether they break ground in 23 or 24. I'm not suppose you know, I'm not positive.

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I did go out to survey the property with the team, but it was a very preliminary and that was.

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Last year, roberta and um so they're going to be coming out, but the good part is.

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That it's in the budget, you know that. That's like the first step that it is in the capital budget.

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Let's get through the legislative session, which is about 30 some odd more days left.

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It'll stay in that capital budget and then we get to execute it so but yeah great question.

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Thank you um to reiterate. I'm celine speckle, the director of business services with carroll county.

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And citizen services over arches a lot of different services throughout the county.

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One that you're all very familiar with I'm sure is the senior centers fall under citizen services. So.

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Hi melissa, hey brad! Thank you folks for for hosting us here today. um One of the things.

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um Just to follow up where commissioner ronstein left golf, we did host on the 25th of february our.

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Point in time, wellness's count throughout carroll county. um What that that count does is it gives.

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Us a picture of how many homeless individuals we have throughout the county, but it's a count.

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Of just one day in time right, um so it gives us an idea of that particular day. How many folks we have.

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The nurses that are homeless, that are unsheltered homeless, not folks that are in our shelter. We.

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Count those as well on that day, but what it does is draw attention to where we are the other piece.

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That you may not realize is that we keep that count of people that we work with throughout.

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The year that are homeless in a in a data system called our homes, management information system.

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And through that information, that's how we buy for and apply for additional support.

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For us to provide sheltering services, homeless, housing, stability, services.

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And all kinds of other pieces of the puzzle for serving our homeless population here.

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In carroll county, so that that the pit count is what we call it, um I'm sure many of you might.

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Have seen the article the paper about the account that we did that day, it's just one day when we do.

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Work throughout the year with our multiple service providers, our circle of caring homelessness, board.

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um To really provide the support to those individuals to get them housed and then.

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To keep them housed, we don't just get them into housing. We follow them into housing to make sure.

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That they can be successful and it doesn't always work the first time. So it is a work of progress.

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Any questions about that from folks I do have a question I mean what would.

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It take to have a homeless shelter in south carolina. I mean there's nothing here. Do me a.

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Favor repeat the questions about the shelters in westminster that were exactly very flattering and.

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It would be nice to have something here for people and women and children where they could feel safe.

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And taken care of and have access to um you know, services that are here. We have that property by.

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The library that somebody mentioned that might not be a bad place and you know close to shopping and.

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Other things that are close to the library I mean I worry, we know people in these situations, we've.

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Helped people in these situations we know people are with food pantries, so I'm concerned about that.

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Sure so the question is what about a shelter here in south carol, because as.

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Many of you probably know that, maybe don't we do have three different shelter pieces in westminster.

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One is the adult: only shelter one is the family, shelter and then the other piece that's connected.

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To the adult, only shelter is our night by night shelter, which more recently is open all year.

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Round it didn't used to be, it was only for cold weather, but we don't turn folks away from the.

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Night by night shelter, so that's open from 7 00 pm until 8 a.m. Every day of the week to provide.

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Support to individuals who find themselves about a place to sleep and they can drive case management.

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Services there as well, um so your question, though, for south carol, would there be a question of.

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Looking at a shelter here, we look at the data of where we're finding people that are homeless.

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And and the need and that's part of it, but the other piece is the majority of the services.

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That are provided are in the the westminster, um which is the county seat for carroll county. So.

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That's one of the pieces, but we can certainly have more discussion about needs, work, shelter, shelter.

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Opportunities and maybe not a full shelter, but what does it look like? What is that interface so.

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I I'd love to talk to you more here, celine yeah. I think I think that's a great question and.

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We started to pop up pantries about a year and a half ago I was introduced to a program called coad.

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Which is civilians against disasters or civilian organization against disasters, and I stood that up.

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And I stood up these pop-up pantries down here in south carol, not knowing how many.

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How big of a need it was- and I mean you're, not not bringing the tears to your eyes but saying.

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Oh, my gosh, there was an incredible need and uh and bob and I were there doing it and we were.

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Full massed up in the lions club, which I'm a proud lion uh you know, took over the pop-up pantries and.

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We were doing them two three times a week, uh and there was definitely this need. Shepherd's staff.

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My wife, you know, goes to wesley freedom with the kids. Shepard's staff stood up. You know over at.

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Wesley freedom, so things have been identified if they've gone far enough to where you're saying.

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No then the short answer is no. We still have a requirement.

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I, like the question, I'm definitely going to take it back. It may not be the full up shelter, but.

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It may be pieces, you know where we can meet the requirements, but those are a couple of activities.

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And again, I'm just we're very fortunate that we have a community that participated in these pop-up.

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Pantries, that participates with the shepherd staff and other things, and those are just a couple.

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And again I don't want to take away from all the other programs, but those are two that.

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I'm engaged with directly so, but thanks and one of the other big pieces I prepared as part of.

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Our additional code funding that we had received is currently funding the physician with homeless.

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Services programs in carroll county, which is one of our homeless providers in the county.

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To have an outreach position that has started to work in the past six months.

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With all the food pantries and is going across um across the county to meet with individuals.

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At those food pantries who may be homeless and engaging the food pantries with obviously they're.

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One of our points of connection for folks that are homeless um and they're engaging with them to do.

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What we call coordinated entry when we encounter someone who is homeless? That's the first step for.

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Multiple service providers and homeless services to get folks entered into the coordinated entry.

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System to gather all their detail and information, so we can understand why they why they're homeless.

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What the barriers were, what their needs are, what their successes have been and how we can.

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Help them to get into housing, because there are a lot of different housing programs with different.

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Requirements different wait, lists different eligibility, but we need to understand. Excuse me.

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What those individuals may qualify for so that we can help them to be successful and get into.

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Housing as fast as possible, just a short-lived question: do you often provide any type of um you.

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Know: training for them or put them on that path so that they can have a job and then great questions.

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Support themselves, so one of the questions that she's asking is: do we have any training programs.

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For these individuals to help support them finding a job so there's multiple layers to that question.

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So right now we have also, with some copic related funding, been able to hire in our department three.

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Housing, disability, coordinators and what they do is they work with individuals on pieces.

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Of that puzzle they refer them to different programs. One of the programs that's offered by.

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Job training, assistance in finding employment, we also have opportunity works for human services.

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Programs in carroll county, which works with people, especially those with past offender status, that.

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They can work with them on job training and help them to engage and work. We also help folks, when.

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Learning how to move into housing and become stable in that housing, because many people.

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Just stand in a house if you've never had a house or if you are a younger adult moving into housing.

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You don't have that skill, so our housing facility coordinators will help.

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Individuals not only to learn how to cook for themselves. We have a program right.

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Now that we're doing with carol food sunday where they are developing different pre-bag.

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Food items that then coordinate with recipes and the skill set training individuals on how to make.

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Those foods and make them into a meal, because those are skills that people don't have and we've.

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Realized to be successful in housing, they need to learn how to do those things. So, there's a lot of.

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Different pieces to the puzzle that we're pulling together, but it's everybody is an individual, not.

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One person that comes up needs housing is the same as the next person that comes in.

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They all have a different need and they come with different skill sets and different family members.

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That surround them that make their situation very different from the last. So thank you for all those.

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Questions we'll connect for sure, okay. um Moving on from there. I did want to make a comment back to.

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And all the work that we do, we connect very closely with the sheriff's department as.

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Well from our department, our staff and our can train, including our senior center managers and.

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Assistants, so that we have that skill if it's needed. We also work with the health department.

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Very closely, the health department has narcan if anybody wanted to be trained personally.

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um Also, the pharmacies have that available for you to go and just get free narcan you have it.

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In your purse, in your car, if you encounter someone that you feel may have overdosed so.

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That that program exists. The health department has a lot of other harm reduction programs for.

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People that are users, because we want people not to overdose if they are going to use it.

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Until they can get into recovery, so they're a great resource as well.

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They also have fentanyl test strips for those who are trying not to have that.

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Small in their in their drugs, they can call the health department for access to them too.

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Some other exciting things that we have going on. Not only do we have the veterans celebration, but.

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On april, 27th is going to be the 50th anniversary of the bureau of aging and disabilities.

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So that is some exciting news. The senior centers are all involved that particular day the event.

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Will be in westminster at the westminster senior center and the bureau will be all encompassing.

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So stay tuned for more information on that the marker calendars it'll be from 10 until two.

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And I promise it will be a great day, we're also launching our age friendly community initiative to.

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Make carroll county a more age-friendly community and we are looking forward to engaging all of you.

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In that process- and so please make sure to come to that event- whether it's for an hour.

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Two hours or for the full time you will not regret it we'll have a long carol event. There's.

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Going to be a booster clinic from the health department for anybody that needs one or wants one.

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And a lot of other fitness opportunities and program.

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Information. um Last but not least, as commissioner, we do have a lot of funding that has come down.

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Through grants to our our department, especially through coded, which we've been pushing right.

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Back out into the community to provide additional services like the housing, disability coordinators.

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Outreach, we also have additional funding, that's coming through for our local management board.

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Which oversees all our children's services and programs we don't provide any direct children.

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Services but we oversee and recommend funding for gaps in service for children's services and.

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We are providing a training with some of the funding we received for trauma, informed care.

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Which is a year-long process for some of the agencies that we work with, with children's.

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Services, so that they can provide much better services that are trauma-informed, which is really.

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A big necessity for success in those services so um giving up all of that.

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Aging has received a lot of additional federal funding for their services that they provide from.

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Caregiver support to the meal programs we're still doing concrete meals at the centers as.

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Well, as grabbing those, unless you guys are running on assuming a gravity today, just to make sure that.

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That we can provide people with a meal whether we run over or not so, um but with great support that.

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We provided and also additional caregiver programming um and 3b support, which is for.

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Case management services as well. We just hired vp's manager of engaging.

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To provide additional ongoing support and outreach, so lots of things happening in our department.

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If you need assistance, please call us. We also administer all of our housing choice, voucher.

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Programs through our housing bureau, and so again, if you have questions, see me after the the meeting.

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I'll be happy to talk with you and give you some information and contact the members. Thank you.

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Okay, thanks and uh if there are questions, also, you guys time permits we'll continue to do that.

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As well as you can tell, I really feel blessed not by the budget that we have or the money.

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That we're receiving, but also from the people that we have on our staff and their commit.

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Their commitment to carroll county, the women and men I mean that serve us and you are really second.

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To none, um but with that said, we still can't do it without you. We still have uh requirements.

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For boards and commissions and councils that allow us an outreach to the needs that are.

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Happening in carroll county, whether it's the veterans, council planning and zoning.

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The aging disabilities. There are lots of different opportunities to give back.

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And to continue to serve carroll county just from neighbor to neighbor.

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A few large muscle movements that are happening, one is the funding that we received post pandemic.

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Or in reaction to uh coven, 19. carroll county received, give or take 32 million dollars uh and.

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There were four areas to use that money. We have a few years to execute those dollars which is.

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Good because the last time we were given money, we had about six months to execute the dollars.

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Without going into too much detail about that 32 million, because it sounds like a lot of money and.

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It is, 18 million is going to broadband. We have tagged and understood the commitment we need to.

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Give to our children, especially when they are in positions where they cannot attend physically. The.

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Schools to give them the opportunity for learning and uh there are too many dead spots. I don't know.

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If that's the technical term or not, but there are too many places in carroll county that do.

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Not have the opportunity for our children to be given that you know that learning um so 18 million.

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Dollars is going towards that there's also a large chunk of money going to infrastructure additional.

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Infrastructure that we've recognized money is going to citizen services, as well as to rit folks.

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To ensure they manage the monies and the dollars necessary, it's it's amazing how you think 32.

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Million dollars is a lot of money until you get 57 million dollars of requirements that come into you.

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And then you say: okay: where do we prioritize and that's what we what we did- and this was.

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Probably about three or four months ago give or take yeah so um and again we we tried to do this.

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As openly as possible- but I just want to share with you- that's where this, because I I had a note.

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Post pandemic, where we're at during the pandemic and a real shout out to our sheriff's department,.

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Our fire ems, our hospital, our health care professionals, it was horrible, I mean the emergency.

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Rooms were overfilled, there were patients that were being rerouted from carroll county to.

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Hagerstown to baltimore county to gettysburg, because there were too many, there was no room.

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There's no room at the end. There was no room at the hospital and then when they were put in the.

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Hospital in the emergency room, as many of you know, you can't get better in the emergency room.

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It's a place to stop to move on forward to a room, but those rooms were filled.

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So it really was a very, very difficult time. I am so impressed and very fortunate that we are part.

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Of the lifebridge team and garrett hoover, who runs that hospital was very receptive.

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And worked closely with our health department and our team, our emergency services, val you know, was a.

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Large part of this to figure out what was the best way to manage and lead through these challenging.

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Times one of the things that was identified, it wasn't because of the kovit 19, but it was due.

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A few years back and sir you brought it up was the fire ems was. How do we get the best.

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Efficiencies and effects that we deserve here in carroll county from our firing ems structure,.

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And we have 14 stations, I can't put two hands up because I'm holding this but 14 stations and.

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How do we consolidate those stations to ensure, especially with ems, to ensure.

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That carroll county is covered, so we hired a director of fire ems mike robinson he's.

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Amazing, uh individual and a wonderful leader he is taking the community and packaging.

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The skills of the leaders within the community and identifying the needs on how to consolidate.

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Our fire ems to ensure that there's redundancy to minimize any gaps that we have.

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And the challenging part about doing this is he's doing it on a very small budget again.

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Everything it comes back to the dollars. So how do we consolidate this? How to insure.

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Fire ems- and it's not just by putting more people in it, but by putting more people in.

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It with the right salaries with the right benefits with the right equipment to ensure.

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That they are prepared to take care of us um westminster is the most uh is. Is the busiest.

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uh Sykesville is is second, but I mean it's what's what's cool about this to me, is it's not going.

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To be westminster or sykesville or gamber or winfield, it's going to be carroll county fire.

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Ems, that's taking a lot of energy from us and that's going to be one of those large muscle.

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Movements when it comes to the budget on how to deal and develop fire ems again to properly.

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Provide what we deserve, it's probably it's um the largest decision. I know that this board of.

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Commissioners has made in moving forward with fire ems. It's probably one of the largest decisions.

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That the board of commissioners in carroll county has made in the last. I don't know, 10.

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20 years to establish this department, you know so yeah again getting a few head nods over there.

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The other thing I want to bring to your attention and then I'm going to hand it off, because I did.

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Invite the developers for the properties that are to be discussed. We finished going through.

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The definitions, the defining of commercial industrial, employment campuses.

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It went through what I call tiger teams, small groupings, to the planning and zoning to the.

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Board of commissioners work groups and we finally were able to define what belongs in commercial.

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Industrial employment campuses, we codified that it is now law. We just finished residential.

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Through basically, the same process.

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Maybe a little bit more emotional uh than some of the others, but the fortunate piece about it is.

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That, again, being open and transparent, as I believe we strive to be, we had the ability to listen.

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And learn, and I am very proud that I was able to do that and not necessarily convince but to.

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Ensure that the board of commissioners understood the value.

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And the decisions that I want to make when it came to the disabled and the beatty properties.

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There's a fiscal responsibility and there's a community responsibility. You want them both to.

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Dovetail and work together, as always, but sometimes one may outweigh the other, and we have to decide.

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What is best in the best interest of our community and our county and our neighbors? That's why.

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I don't like the word politician. I can't stand the word constituent it's about neighbors and.

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It's about community and I really am impressed those that came out and talked to me about.

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Those properties and why decisions need to be made the way they were. They may not have gone the way.

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Landowners wanted, it may not have gone the way a developer may have proceeded or the legal advice.

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For the landowners or developers, that's regardless, it is what is in the best interest.

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Of the community, how does it best serve carroll county, so we made those decisions.

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I believe they were both decided four to one. You know in the in the board. I think yeah.

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um But so it was overwhelming it was. uh I was very confident in doing that. What I asked.

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From the developers, disabled properties, elm street developers and the beauty properties, st.

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John developers or st john properties to address you on what they see uh as their development. This.

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Is in no way an endorsement of either developer, it could be anybody, it's it's not about endorsing.

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A developer it's about doing, what's right in the piece of property and that's when we stop, we stop.

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When we define the property and the zoning of the property, it then is up to the property owner.

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How they want to deal with it whether they want to sell it whatever they want to do.

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But in moving forward, I believe, just as I'm open and transparent to you and candid and.

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Transparent to you, as I can be, I want them to do the same and share with you their ideas and.

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Moving forward and answer any questions that you or I for that matter may have.

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As they go through the steps in developing the property.

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A bit of it's a dog and pony show because they have those big charts and stuff like that.

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But more importantly, is what's going to come out of their mouth and you know- uh and I know the.

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The gentleman I think, whoever from saint john's gonna, be talking, but I know them well enough that.

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They're very candid as as well as elm street and uh it's their opportunity and your opportunity.

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To listen to them and uh ask those questions and see how it feels and sets with you. The zoning.

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Was done in accordance with what you wanted and I'm very confident about that, especially the zabel.

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Property, we went from a much more medium to or whatever it was to low and with the bd property.

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um A large part of it had to do with the buffer on bennett. You wanted, or.

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You, the community, was looking for one acre properties and we were able to go through that.

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As well, but what I'd like to do is jason, why don't you start off with elm street and zabel property.

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Share with us your thoughts and what the intent is with um zabel.

K

Thank you ed. Thank you for the opportunity uh to be here today to talk to you about the xavier.

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Property, we are moving forward with the property as the r40000 conservation development. That ed was.

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Referring to as being passed, uh what we have up here is really the the start of our engineering.

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Process with the concept plan we still are in the midst of uh you know, adjusting lot lines doing.

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Stormwater management calculations doing open space calculations, those sorts of things, but we.

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Start with the: what is the road network going to look like what intersections do we need to.

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Study around the site and and really that that's the that's the first uh really the first step in.

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Your ultimate design, and so what what we have uh put together here, was a traffic plan and.

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A float plan to be able to show the county, um and we did some initial uh impact study.

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Work at the marionsville world number two and bridge road. We wanted to analyze that.

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I know that's a concerning intersection that that intersection was a level of service, a.

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uh Which is the best level of service you can have for an intersection.

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And then the the, uh as many of you know, the plan major street, the collector street of profit row.

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Was a big discussion during the zoning process and that's that's on the county's general plan.

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For for planned major streets, um and so we had to address that and we took that.

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A report to the county showing that there is not a traffic need at this point in time.

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And there's not a traffic need in the future, given the zoning around this region of the county for.

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For that major street to be uh to be connected, it is on, as I said, the general plan, so we do have to.

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Address that concern, and so what we have done uh with this plan is that we we show.

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The connection from uh crawford railroad on the east side, which is uh stratton woods.

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uh Over to the west side, which is jenna estates where crocodile uh starts, and if we provided.

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County plan they had just a red line that it's not indicative of where it should go. It.

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Did not go correctly where the environmental features would would encourage you, otherwise,.

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To put a roadway, and so we have angled that more towards the center of the site.

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And cross the stream uh in the center of the site at the at the most reasonable place. For.

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Environmental impact, but that, on each end of that crossroad connection, we are providing the.

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Right of way we're suggesting that we provide them right away, but not construct the actual.

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Connections until the need is met for that sort of improvement to be made, it gives the county.

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The option to make that connection if the need arises from a traffic standpoint in the future.

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But that it doesn't make that connection, it was a as many of you know. It was a concern for the.

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People on the western side of the site on existing proper realm, it was a concern for people in.

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Stratton woods on that side, and it was a concern in the region as well as to what additional.

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Traffic concerns a profitable, connected, proper road would.

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And so what you'll see up here is a kind of a dotted in um right of way. On those connection.

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Points with which I would call a paper street and that the county commissioners would take.

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Ownership over that area and be able to make that improvement in the future, but that we're.

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Not suggesting that that connection should be made because of the traffic report, the environmental.

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Impacts as well as the community concern that we heard through the comprehensive process.

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And so then that says: okay, where are where are our connections going to be made and what we're.

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Showing is two connections along ridge road that creates a frontage that we're going to be able to.

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Do improvements along make both those entrances very safe. It helps distribute traffic having two.

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Entrances as opposed to just one uh in terms of the you know the residents coming in and out and.

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And that services, the majority of the site, what we have on this plan right now is a is 143 units.

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131 of them are accessed through those two connections and then uh and then lastly,.

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Down in the southern southwestern side of the site, where the conservation ground is, and a little bit.

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Of the r40 000 ground, we have 12 units down there that are serviced off of an extension of.

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The lazy morning cul-de-sac, but that it remains a cul-de-sac and it is merely.

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Extended a little bit farther into the property to service those uh 12 houses and that's the.

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You know, as I said, that we're still in the midst of that engineering phase and we will be making.

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Some adjustments before we get to the concept level plan of submission to the county, but this is.

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uh This is where we stand with that, and I wanted to be able to present that to you, especially in.

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In response to what we heard through the comprehensive process and at this point, um I'd.

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Love to answer any questions that there might be yes, um so my understanding you're going to.

F

Divert traffic off of marriageville road to park road cross rangels onto mcbetway. Is that correct.

F

No traffic engineer ever diverts traffic off a major secondary road into a residential.

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Neighborhood we drive this 20 years ago from 32 to macbeth to brangles. We stopped that you.

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Don't divert traffic from a major secondary road through a residential neighborhood. You do not. We.

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Don't want speed bumps in our neighborhoods we're suggesting not to make that connection.

K

So you are the builder suggesting to the county. This is what we want. You want to take traffic.

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But in the future it could, that is, that is a plan that is uh on the general plan for the county. I.

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Don't have the ability to change that that's done through general, the the general planning process.

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um I am suggesting, linda sorry should not be made and you are the builder the developer so really.

F

What your thoughts are and what mine are completely different worlds. Honestly, 147 houses.

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Times two cars minimal roads, the schools, ems first responders- are not ready for this. Please hear us.

K

Thank you, sir. I mean we will go through a process of concurrency management.

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With all those things that you didn't mention- and I am and I and I am saying that is what we.

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Are pushing for the county to not make that right if, if they would accept not having.

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The right of way we'd be on board with that as well. We're not in a position to make that.

K

Specific suggestion, because of what's on the general plan for the street networks, your position.

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Is your builder, your developer won't go down. Okay. We all understand that we're built here. I think.

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I understand and what you're getting the results are, what you want. Yes,.

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But but hear me out the property, the responsibility.

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For the county was to look at this property and then to define it whether it could be.

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You know a low density or mid density and we listened, and we said we want it to be.

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Now low density, so it went from 300 and some odd homes, I believe, to 130 some odd homes.

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143 homes, so we went basically a half of what it could have been from the the plan.

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Well, it went from half to where it was.

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Really didn't matter absolutely they mattered. We went from we, we cut it in half how about.

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If you cut it into zero, it's your position, you need revenue, no tax dollars, but but the.

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Property is residential and it was defined at one point to be higher density. We got a lot of emails.

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And I went through a lot of discussions and town halls to determine, instead of going higher density.

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To go lower density from 300 and some odd homes to 140 somewhat homes, so we did exactly, I believe.

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Where you want to go now, what another proposal was to split it between high and low, and we said no.

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Because that would not get where you want to go you being collective. Those looking at disabled.

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Property, so that now how that's being developed so so that's kind of where I stop now, how it's being.

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Developed and how it's being sold to be developed, that's where they go, but we did exactly. I thought.

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What you want now saying: don't develop it, that's not. You know our decision and our decision was.

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How it was going to be defined to be whether owned or developed and how it was going to be parsed out.

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And it went from higher density to lower density, exactly what I believe.

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You and the community was telling me to do so- I'm not sure where we're missing no no hold on sir sir.

F

The freedom district master plan needs to be. We've talked about this I'll, send you emails.

F

There's backdoor provisions for these developers, builders with their gaggle of lawyers, to exploit.

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Them: okay: we need to revisit because it took you 20 years to do it and it's supposed to be.

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Done in a one year mandate: okay, here we are again mass production of houses of south carolina.

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I understand so.

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The first step is: there's no back door, anything that I'm aware of now now you may have a different.

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Opinion I'm saying I'm not aware of any backdoor anything. I'm not aware of gaggle of lawyers in.

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Fact I think I only know three or four that deal with these residential properties, so I don't know.

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This gaggle and I don't know any backdoor.

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Opportunities now, what I am saying is that taking a look at the freedom plan.

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And deciding whether that residential property should remain in accordance with this, or should.

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We go into a lower density because that's what you wanted! We determined in a vote four to one.

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To go into a lower density parcels, so we went from 300 and some odd homes to 140.. So I'm not sure.

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You know, and it's you know, I'm not sure what I'm missing here.

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Hold on let's, instead of um no instead of having yeah exactly so, instead of saying have sidebars.

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Because I appreciate it, I personally believe in two things: one I mean you can snark if you.

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I'm just saying, I believe in two things: one is property rights and two is as low of a government.

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As we can as little of government constraints as we can that's what I believe so the property.

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That is owned, disabled property and then also the bt property and the other property for all. I care.

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They have specific rights on how it's parsed out they at one point.

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Were looking at medium density to be able to sell off their property and have it developed in a much.

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Higher density manner than when it came back to us- and I thought I was listening to you and everyone.

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Else saying we don't want that we want it to be lower density, so we made it lower density now to.

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Put it to a vote for a moratorium, I I wrote it down I'll write it down and I can discuss with.

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The commissioners, but I'm not sure, that's the route. We want to go. What we want to go is I.

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Believe is having a property owner, have the rights to do what is allowed on their property, whether.

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It's building a 7-eleven, okay or it's building, 130 somewhat homes.

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Where they were previously had the opportunity to build 300 some odd homes and they will not build.

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Any homes unless the schools are prepared to bring those kids in as many kids there would be.

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Unless the fire, ems and police have the ability to service that community.

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Unless the infrastructure is there to allow those homes to be built, there's a checklist.

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Is the easiest way to describe it of what needs to occur before homes are built? In addition to that,.

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Only so many homes can be built at any given time and are permitted any given year. So you can't just.

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Go in there and build 140 homes overnight because of this process, so I understand the concerns about.

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Roads going through their determination to best build a community. I think what I heard was.

A

They don't want to connect those roads. Linda is starting the master plan. um When this year I mean.

L

Yeah so fiscal year 23, we will be looking at the master plan. In fact, and the reason I just shared.

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That is, I hold a cabinet meeting and linda briefed me and the rest on the cab during the.

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Cabinet meeting that they will start the master plan process exactly what you're asking to do.

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They will start that in fy, 23., so yeah. I think we're doing exactly.

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What you're asking, except for this moratorium piece but I'll I'll make them know that? Yes, sir.

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Will the master plan be adjusted to reflect that and if so, how will it be adjusted and.

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Then, secondly, what is the timeline for this development and what are the all the.

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Prereqs before we can actually break ground okay, so it sounds like there's a lot to do.

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And can we have a realistic discussion about what all that looks like um and and when are.

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We actually going to see you know construction equipment in our backyard right. Let's, let's.

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Two of those questions, and then I'm gonna, ask linda to come up with me and talk about the.

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Timeline on the master plan, because we got to get that right. So, as I mentioned, we did a preliminary.

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Traffic study part of that in this submission of this plan, was to get the county highways and roads.

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uh Personnel to tell us what the full traffic study needs to look at, and so they will provide.

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That to us we'll do additional study and um I expect that to result in the same answer that.

K

The connection should not be made, and that is what our position is and what we'll submit it will be a.

K

County decision, ultimately, in terms of what they're willing to approve on that on that.

K

Front, uh but that's that's what I'm saying is where our starting point is a little bit.

K

On the process of the development itself, yes go ahead. There was also a plan to redirect.

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Behind shannon drive, there's also a plan for a round and out.

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Downside opening, of course, hill is that still on the books as a plan or will marriageville.

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And ridge remain as they are today, so we we assessed marriage ridge, road number, two with ridge.

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As a level of service a which to me, says that those improvements should not be made.

K

It should not um go through stratton woods and that's the that is what the information we've.

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Presented to the county at this point in time, it's ultimately it's it's not.

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My ultimate decision, but I can absolutely tell you where my, uh where I'm coming from.

E

I'm sorry, when a developer makes a recommendation like that right ignorant to the process. Does the.

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County typically accept that recommendation, correct and linda get up and get on up here.

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Although she may kick me in my other leg, where I need to keep my worst, um so the shortness is.

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Yes, we're going to bring in all this information and we're going to do what's right. Can a road be.

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Extended, yes, there is that potential, should it be and will it be two different two different answers.

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uh Is there a threat of it being extended if the developer comes to us and says hey, this is.

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Now developed- and this is why it's developed this way- why would we want to extend a road.

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You know where it doesn't make sense, but the master plan process um was a bit fractured.

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In its length and time like you described, we've got to get back to where it needs to be.

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Going through the 10-year process going through the freedom plan and getting it done right.

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um Because it again, I inherited it, I own it I'm proud to own it, I'm fortunate to have the team.

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That that develops it, but we've got to get it right and we've got to get more input like I'm.

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Getting from you- and I don't know if that happened or not, I again, uh that's not where I'm at, but the.

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Key is there: is this divide between the county and the developer, the developer coming to the county.

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For the permission, in accordance with the zoning rights uh and and the rules, you could say.

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To do the development, but there is no that I'm aware of backdoor and, like you said, gaggle of.

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Lawyers, I'm not aware of any of that. I am aware of planning and zoning commission.

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So if anybody wants to participate in the planning and zoning commission, we need somebody- and I would.

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Love to have an additional person from the freedom district on the planning and zoning commission.

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It's hard work because it takes time. That's the unfortunate piece about it, but I would.

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Love to have another person on the planning zone, commission so but go ahead linda good.

L

Morning, everyone again thank you for being here. Let me just make two things really really clear.

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You all are seeing these plans before the planning commission. These have not even been formally.

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Submitted yet so, this is just a proposal that the developer is coming forward with at this time.

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So as to plan road connection, things like that, we don't know yet because they have not been.

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Thoroughly reviewed by our development review, who actually goes through the process of what are the.

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Adequacies for roads, what are the adequacies for school? What is stormwater management.

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What is the reforestation obligation that they have so both plans? Again, you all are seeing it.

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First, commissioner rossi, one of them here today, so that they could show them to the community as.

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Far as planning goes, this has moved from the planning realm to the implementation realm.

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um For disabled property, nothing was changed, so the zoning that it currently has.

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Had for 20 years is still the same zone, the r40 and the conservation. Nothing has changed there.

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Was a request to bring it in line with the freedom master plan? That request didn't move forward at.

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This time, because the commissioners did not feel that it was adequate for all of the things we.

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Just discussed to make it more dense in alignment with the freedom master plan as it's written, so I.

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Just want to make those things clear that again, this is preliminary. This is plan implementation.

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Portions is no longer in the planning room. It's in the development review realm now so not kind.

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Of fast forwarding, you know, plans can be amended, they can be changed and they're updated and we.

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Have a 10-year cycle for the carroll county master plan, um as commissioner rothstein had said, we are.

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Beginning now to talk about that plan, we don't do a plan in one year. That's not realistic. We start.

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With preliminary investigations and the first investigation that we're looking at is what is.

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The economic market in carroll county we're going to do a housing study after that and then we'll be.

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Cooking up the master plan in 2025 for us to work on it and finish it within our 10-year time frame.

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Okay, thanks, linda and again- and I do appreciate that because my intent is like what linda said.

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Was get this in front of you, even though it's before a process taken place, it's important.

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I think for the community to see and listen to what is being shared for both of these properties.

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So but it is not the county, is you know uh it's not what we do, I'm not building, I'm not.

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The developer, like you said, um but it's it's it's their intent to share with you.

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To get the feedback prior to them coming to the county for their permission, so go ahead. Thank you.

K

Sure and I've been asked to repeat the question so um chris christian's question is: why are the.

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12 houses being routed through the existing neighborhood to the south, the lazy morning.

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Connection um what I would say to that is that uh that lazy morning, cul-de-sac.

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Is was developed as a temporary cul-de-sac, it's on the plaque with.

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With uh the intent of it being extended into the property, and so um the reason it's best to do it.

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In that fashion, for those 12 houses is because otherwise that area of disabled property.

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Is encumbered on all sides by environmental features, so you would have an additional.

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Environmental impact, if you were to create a roadway into this start, this part of the property.

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And so you know it's not my position to say we want to do a additional environmental impacts.

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And we want to utilize the the road platts that were that have been in existence for.

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Decades at this point uh for that road extension you're already crossing the stream, though.

M

We are, we are crossing the stream once yes,.

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That's not my position on that. I I mean. I truly think that you know.

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A neighborhood in and of itself I mean just from just from selling those lots.

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It would be more convenient to have it internal to the to the community.

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But it's it's, I I'm not going to sit there and say we should do a second create stream crossing when.

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The counties provided us that connection uh decades ago. I understand, but I mean it's more.

M

Convenient for the builders, it's more convenient for the people who are buying this property.

M

We have 48 houses in my neighborhood and you're talking about routing 12.

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Forward through there, so that's a 20. I mean it doesn't sound like much until you consider 25.

M

I met with you in the spring, there were four or five adults standing there in that cul-de-sac.

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And I remember we almost all got hit by a delivery. There are many children in our neighborhood mine.

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Are getting older, so it's less of a concern for me, but every year has two preschoolers. There are at.

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Least a dozen preschoolers in my neighborhood, our neighborhood has major traffic concerns. We don't.

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So now we're looking at a 25 increase in traffic. We have no sidewalks, we have no traffic calming.

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Device devices or any chance of getting these common devices. So it's it's a major safety concern.

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For us, I'm not trying to be difficult. But when you look at a 25 increase in traffic and that's.

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Going through the whole end of the neighborhood, so it's affecting everyone in the neighborhood by 25.

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More traffic- and I know when I went with you, you said these houses would be 600 000.

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Plus so these are not starter homes yeah. That tells me they're, probably going to be more than.

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Two licensed drivers in the house, so we're gonna have delivery trucks and two, maybe three or four.

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Cars per house, so I mean it's just a drastic change for my neighborhood. It's not so much the.

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Road connection, but it's the safety concerns, and I mean we've heard today. The county doesn't have.

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Money, I don't think we're gonna get sidewalks in my neighborhood I mean what are we supposed.

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To do, I want my kids to be able to get out and play, isn't that a concern keep our kids healthy.

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Keep our kids safe, and this scares me I'm gonna hand it back to him in a second, but the traffic.

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Study, um I'm, I just wrote a note and I'm going to reach out to crystal and auction about that.

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About traffic calming- and you know, concerns about that that I had not heard before um me so I I got.

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That for action, if you're saying I mean I'd, prefer not to have speed bumps. No, I I get you, but let's.

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See what what they come up with, um but on that point I I think we're worried about if you open.

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Up the connection, you don't want it to become cut through so right. You know you can't open up.

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Lazy morning and then open it up to ridge road because then they're gonna get to so it's like.

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Instead of lazy morning or traffic patterns, and can they go back to rich road proxima.

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Street, I don't know you know you have to run cambridge, for example, a lot of traffic, because.

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Anybody knows to be traffic, it's getting worse and worse every day,.

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I mean that's, the main auto is coming from 17. all the shopping additional shopping in eldersburg.

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More cars are coming from again, you know all around the area.

K

Yes, it is it's peak hour. Testing is what it's done. There's there's rules and procedures around.

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That that the county oversees in terms of how how that traffic is collected and reporting.

O

Like what size explain what size lots of it, so so both of these are to cluster the.

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uh The uh blocks within the r40 000 and within the conservation area so for our 40 000. That.

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Means a minimum lot size of 20 000 square feet and then for the conservation area. Half acre lots.

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And then for the uh conservation zone, that's a one acre lot cluster. I mean that's a lot.

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Of houses just for the traffic, I mean people that live there now and I'll sit there for 15.

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Minutes sometimes trying to get out of the reach road just to go up to the shop or to take my.

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Family somewhere, it's just that's an additional like if you're rebounding, everybody to bridge.

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All that extra traffic I mean, if I don't know, bridge well, that will certainly be part of what we.

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You know our intent is not to put lazy morning as a through street. It was uh merely as a an.

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Extension of a cul-de-sac, I think well to christmas point: it's just 12. It doesn't sound.

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Like a big number but 12. in those streets, you can see it on the map. The way those streets zigzag.

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Like complete 90 degree or yeah angles, they just make complete blind spots for kid riding kids.

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Riding bikes and so 12 doesn't sound like a lot, but to go all the way back in that neighborhood.

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It's an impact I mean I just want to point out that several years ago my neighbor.

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Their kid was riding a bike in front of my next-door neighbor's house.

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Got hit and had to be air flighted I mean these are the roads we're talking about.

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And that was without more traffic. You know, I mean it's a serious concern, but I mean.

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If you're going to build 143 houses, I mean.

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Do you have clustering in your control if you don't want to cross this environmental feature.

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Can you cluster these houses that you want to build into the rest of the development somehow.

M

I mean it seems, like concessions have been made for the prothero people, the shaolin people, but now.

M

Our neighborhood is still being run through as planned. Go ahead, you can answer that. One.

K

The the density that would have been with the uh with the general plan, the freedom plan as well.

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Probably half of what that is, uh I understand that would have otherwise been off lazy morning uh and.

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So that's that's the approach that we've taken uh going in here. It is a conservation zone. So there's.

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There's you kind of have to develop the idea of the conservation zone, lots and the conservation.

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Zone area um and and uh and so on, so this is our kind of initial cut here uh in terms of.

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Where we are uh starting to look for for looking uh closer at the traffic and these concerns that.

K

I'm hearing and understand and understood uh through the comprehensive process. These were.

K

Similar comments that were coming in, but I mean I guess my question- is the the 12 houses you.

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Want to put in the conservation area could they be clustered throughout the rest of their development.

M

Somewhere else, where you wouldn't have the environmental impact of crossing the stream.

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And you wouldn't impact the neighborhood. We are creating that environmental impact.

K

For the crossing at this point um so right, I'm saying you're either impacting a neighborhood.

M

Or having an environmental impact, I'm just saying: is there another option you could.

M

Still have the same number of houses but locate them somewhere else on the property.

M

Because this is affecting you know, 48 houses. I don't have the full answer on that.

K

That's fair! That takes uh more engineering to be able to answer that sort of question, and I.

M

Mean that's that's fair enough. um Will the traffic study also include forest hill and marriott still.

M

Too, because I can tell you yesterday, it wasn't even rush hour. I had to sit and let 15 cars go.

M

By that is gonna, the county is the one that tells us ultimately, what intersections that they want.

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Analyze, so you know we, we did some initial ones, knowing that those would absolutely be within.

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The realm of the uh of the study and that uh we'll expand that to what the county instructs us.

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uh To do okay, and I I mean I think you still have my information from spring.

M

If you can keep me updated on what the engineers say about possible clustering or if that's.

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An option and I'd like to say you know, I know um we have another developer here- go to go today.

K

And uh uh you know I'm I I'd be more than happy to have a separate meeting with any any one of you.

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Out there to addre talk about any additional concerns that we haven't talked about here.

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uh Today, I'm in the back, you can come come grab me. I can give you my number, my emails, whatever.

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Message you prefer and I'm happy to have additional conversations.

K

Thank you absolutely, uh yes, sir. Does carroll county take into consideration.

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The impact additional development has on service demand for police resources. Yes, absolutely.

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And the question is: does carroll county take into consideration the impact on.

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Let's just say: safety and security police uh fire ems in developments. Yes, absolutely.

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Traffic study, no not traffic, said excuse me. um Traffic calming uh is going to be looked at.

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Miss morinelli, just let you know uh you know I talked to uh or we talked to the team and.

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We'll talk about that in the cul-de-sac about traffic calming so more to follow on that, but.

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There were five adults truck almost granted. I I got you, but I want to follow up and we got that.

A

Honestly, this is exactly what I wanted was. It is before he comes to us for decision making, but he.

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Needs and the developers need to understand what are the issues that the community has in.

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Any of the developments that they want to proceed with now, sometimes I feel like it's and listening.

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It's like a a water balloon. You know you squeeze one in and another end pops up. So if you fix one.

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Problem over here, another problem may exist over there um and you know, but that's for for them.

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To figure out and to look at all of the things that were discussed this morning.

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Preparing themselves to come back to us uh in in the next phase, but.

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You know he's an open book as a sheriff continue the dialogue. This is so important to get it right.

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Your impact and your comments to the developer will ensure he is best prepared to come back to us.

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To getting it right and that's that's a huge step, that's why I wanted him. There.

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Or here this morning, um because we got to get it right and that's what you know I tried pushing.

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When it came to uh the residential zoning of both these properties, I felt like we didn't have.

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It right it took a long ways, but I believe we got it right as far as the definitions.

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And now it's up to them to go from there, so appreciate it and he is available. And if you.

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Want a second run at him, he'll be here tonight too. I imagine so. Okay, thank you, tom. Are you.

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Okay, mr tom dulan is from saint john properties and is going to talk about again the intent.

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That they have dealing with, what's called the bb property off of bennett, road.

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Again, this is not any way of an endorsement to saint john properties or anything about what.

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He's going to share it's the opportunity for him to share what their intent is, but, more importantly,.

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To take away the comments that you have uh in moving forward because.

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They're gonna have to go through the process, just like uh elm street, so tom.

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The boarding buddy is.

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Well, they give me a new title every couple years reality is. I get building permits.

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So uh I'm in charge of our development group, we take property from feasibility through the.

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Process it up for a construction group point that we approval.

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We have an in-house construction group and then we kind of go to connections. um We always like.

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To do some kind of powerpoint like pretty pictures and things like that, what we want is to understand.

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What we're thinking about doing as far as the property is concerned, so I have a powerpoint.

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Presentation, I think I have about 25 26 slides something like that. I'm going to try to go through.

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It really quick, so you can ask your questions, um but as a result, it may go through something.

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Faster than I anticipated so just bear with me, I'm trying to get the pictures up first and.

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Do that I also have a couple of people with me today: matt taylor is our development manager. He.

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Works in my department, once we move forward with the project, he will be managing the day-to-day.

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Design over certain design, and things like that works very closely with me as we go through the.

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Process, I also have uh angela with us, who is one of our partners for training st john properties,.

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The way that we grow our company over for long haul is we bring in young individuals, and we.

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Teach them the business and then they go out. They become a regional party. They open a new office in.

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Another location so angelo's just finishing his fourth year of that program uh in another month.

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Or so he's going to be going to north carolina and opening an office course in north carolina.

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um And kelly schaefer is with us who is our land use, attorney local land use expert? uh She helps us.

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To make sure that we understand what the code says and things like that that we're following the code.

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And then andy stein from dbc consultants is our project manager for design from.

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The engineering family and I apologize my glasses sometimes around sometimes we're off.

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Youtube um so change our problems, just a little bit to know about our company.

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Founded in 1971 in baltimore by ed, saint john who's, still, the uh still the principal owner of.

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The company still in the office on a day-to-day basis, we have about 22 million square feet of.

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Commercial industrial real estate that we own and we manage it, what we buy and what we develop. We.

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Purchase it as an investment, we are not what some people call merchant developers fee developers.

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We are not interested in buying something developing and paying enough for somebody else.

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In the long term, we're looking to invest in property because we tend to be in our communities.

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That we're that we're invested in we tend to be active in those communities. We currently have one.

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Additional project down the road liberty exchange, which you might be familiar with, it seems like.

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Most people got to know that property, but now 1623 brewing came in there. They've been, I think, a real.

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Attraction for the business market we are in the community. This will only be our second investment.

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uh In carroll county to this point, we've been in business for over 50 years. um Let me go.

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Ahead and go to the next slide, let's just talk a little bit about the different states. Learning.

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All that, if you're interested you can go to our website, I'm happy to talk about that more later.

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Now this is going to be kind of images of what we do, we're in different types of developments.

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We don't typically do residential development. You'll see that this project has a fair bit of.

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Residential with it, where we're typically involved in projects that have residential.

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um They're we have a couple of big ones that are big developments, we're really interested in the.

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Long-Term investment with residential you're not selling things off so when we're involved in those.

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Projects, we typically are working with another developer. That's that is a residential expert.

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In fact, we will develop the street project over in eastern baltimore county called greenland, but.

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That I said we know enough about the residential can't get things through a process, but we wouldn't.

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Ultimately, be the developer there at the end of the day, we'll be the master developer, we'll work.

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With uh with a car constantly to do that, so this just gives you a little bit of a public company.

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But we have acquisitions group and then we have the development group. We are general contractors.

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So we oversee our construction of our flights, we have in-house leasing and marketing groups.

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So we are, we don't go out to third parties to manage our property. We have got third parties.

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To lease our properties, we are completely assumed to notice in regards to that and.

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Then we have all the other things that go along with that interior construction group, material.

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Just a little bit about our community involvement uh a number of years ago, etsy.

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Founded the edward st john foundation, uh its principal mission is k through 12.

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Education, I really believe strongly don't give someone's message.

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For this is one of them is the is the green and bomb cancer institute at the university.

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Of maryland, uh maple line in howard county, they do a half a marathon every year and we sponsor that.

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The polar bear plunge that happens every winter we put a team together, we'll do the plunge and.

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Then the uh the phone star memorial up at aberdeen proving grounds which, if you really want to know.

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About the full start, memorial aspect yeah, he knows it better than I do uh major general grief who was.

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Killed in action in uh afghanistan- and this is the memorial uh for him- it's also a dual memorial- the.

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Gold star families, a lady that's sitting on the bench here- represents the mothers and fathers and.

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Family members who have lost uh lost service members in that I cannot do combat conduction.

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So this is the baby property, I'm just kind of an overview. I apologize. This here is a little easier.

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To see I'm going to zoom in just really quick uh number one just so you can kind of see the overall.

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Property is about 120 acres, but we don't view it as a single development. In fact, we are going to.

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Be processing this single development, we're going to process it in four pieces uh and when we are at.

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The main commission on the 30th uh for purposes of kind of giving them an introduction that.

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We'll be doing an introduction, we're going to talk about the fact that we're going to process this in.

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Four pieces: the northern section here these single family homes up through here it's.

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Those are one acre parcels and stone for one acre parcel uh with seven single homes facing out onto.

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Bannon road, but will be accessed from the rear so that we don't have a bunch of driveways coming out.

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And then this will be what's now called a retirement village 144 units with a 144.

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149, uh these are 28 five 28 foot wide connected homes, uh town homes are going to refer, so I.

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Think bill is having more commentaries um with a community center with every community building and.

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A swim club of some sort, they call the swimming gym so due to the abilities directly inside you.

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Then we have, you know, so we refer to that as the residential north district and the retail.

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I'm sorry the retirement village district and then we have what we refer to as the business district.

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These are one-story buildings, uh flex, buildings, we'll show you a couple pictures.

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Of those at the minute, it's about 300 000 square feet on the industrialized. Only.

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And then to the south, we call the residential south district. These are.

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uh It's own for our 20 000.. This is a cluster development quarter, acre lots with 34.

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The property yet um we're under contract to purchase it. We do intend to purchase it, but we've.

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Got to do our studies and make sure that it makes sense and, at the end of the day,.

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The project pencils are going to say.

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So, as a result, we've done a lot of field work. Already we've gone out, we did a boundary survey.

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We did a field survey of we actually flew it with what they called lidar. We got topography.

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We sent our environmental consultants out to the site and did a walk through and we located.

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All the weapons and the streams and things like that, we feel surveyed. All of that and we've done.

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A preliminary study to get a sense of what the overall schoolwork management compartment's been.

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Into the site, this site we designed to the state standard, they called environmental site design to.

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The maximum- it's not practicable java, hard times the same, but it just means that we're dealing with.

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Designing snowboard management the way that it's small and mobile, when you try to get the.

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Water back into the ground, as opposed to the old way where you just built a big facility.

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We're going to be managing 100 year, storm uh we've had a preliminary conversation with the county kitten to.

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The business district, as I mentioned, it's industrially zoned, we don't typically refer.

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To our projects as industrial, our buildings are not being giant buildings, half million.

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Square feet million square feet that you may see for amazon distribution or something like that.

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These buildings tend to be smaller in size, they're about 40, to 50, 000 square feet.

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Multi-Tenanted buildings: we get a wide variety of uses in our buildings, but they tend not to be.

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uh Heavier industrial in any way, shape or form. In fact, they have tended to go away from those.

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Vegetation, so if you're familiar with liberty exchange the types of uses you've seen over there.

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The types of music we've anticipated here we've got a couple of images of that. These are what.

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Flex buildings looks like on the front it's a one square. Building on the front. It looks like.

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An office building a one-story office building and then the rears have a loading component. A lot of.

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Our tenants have a mix of abuse where they've got a front of house stuff. That's off the sea. Things.

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And things like that and you might have storage or some kind of warehousing component that goes.

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With it so they have rare access, and we this is a couple photographs, a couple of our sites where we.

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Take our best efforts to provide a screening along the edges of those along the shore. This is these.

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Won't really be visible from the residential community anyway, because they're going to be.

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Offered by the residential there would be developed as part of this site.

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And then we just always try to make sure that we've got amenities for our tenants. We call.

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Clients in our parks, so we always make sure that there's sidewalks both side, the road we have.

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Some kind of pavilions and things like that, give people a place to have the opportunity to go out.

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Eat their lunch and things like that, it just gives a park like quality to the development. It's really.

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Something that's really important to us. People spend more time in the business part right when.

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They work there and they probably go in their house a lot of the time. So we try to make it feel.

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Good, the residential district north, as I mentioned these, are going to be one of their lives.

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It's going to front out better growth and direct access will be coming from the individual houses.

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Would be via a shared driveway that takes one single access point out to that equipment.

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And just to give you a flavor of the things of houses that were kind of appropriate for that.

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Our concern I mentioned when our presidential developers our concern.

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Is about the look and feel of the place? We want it to be a quality development because, quite honestly,.

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You're, the neighbors today we're going to be the neighbors once we develop our business park.

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And we want to make sure that that's that our development- that's around us.

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Is good and stays good in the long term as a result will be a homeowners association.

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But we actually uh stay involved in that. The way that if the homeowners association doesn't.

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Do what they need to do? We can go in and do that, so we have a commercial association.

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That's tied to that, so just give you a flavor of kind of the look and feel of things for us. It's.

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About, as I said, quality, um we have the communities that more member, we are kind of master developer.

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uh We typically try to avoid things like vinyl siding, so we'll oftentimes go to uh uh like.

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Hardy plank and things like that, um we generally don't allow for wood trim on houses. We use.

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Pvc positive stuff things like that that lead to lower maintenance and higher kind of better.

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Durability and look over time, those are the kinds of things that we would typically as we're talking.

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With builders we say that's what we're looking for here in the detailing of the houses themselves.

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The uh the retirement village district I mentioned 145 homes in the clubhouse and pool.

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It's going to be a condo regime, there'll be private roads in the through the community.

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And part of the reason for that is that will allow for us to control the access.

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Through that development, so it doesn't become a cut through back and forth. The bennett road.

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And the industrial district, you guys don't want industrial traffic on a better road.

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And you don't necessarily want to run it through there, so that will be another product.

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And this just gives you a kind of look and feel of the community. This.

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Is actually a photograph from the project in empower county of the movie called.

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The community clubhouse, and they give you a general flavor of what those homes are like.

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And then the residential to the south, this is going to be and I'll talk about a minute, but.

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Georgetown boulevard is a national plain road from the county. That's intended to connect from.

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It's not really an intersection right, it's a bend! If you go around.

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Downtown in town, which I guess is in a project right now, if the county is.

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Turning that into a traffic circle, so we had to plan for the traffic circle and then we're gonna.

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Come up and connect to the property and we'll pick it up from there. It'll run through the.

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Development connect up to progress with the residential community here in the south is.

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Going to connect to that that will probably become the principal entrance to the development.

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uh There'll be some other connections in the existing community. The reality is that's what.

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We'll probably market the site from it'll be the easiest way to get to these lives.

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And it again just kind of gives you a flavor of some of the. uh These are actually houses that.

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Are being built in the project that mentioned up uh baltimore county.

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This is what the status of the property was. um Commissioner, rossdy mentioned that there.

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Was a comprehensive rezoning from industrial commercial at the end of that process in 2019.

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The vast majority cycle zone industrial was conservation and the r20 000 at the bottom.

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Of the southern end and then based on the freedom uh community, comprehensive plan.

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uh This is what was being proposed, which was commercial and that's the most intense problem.

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With residential uh halfway devos, essentially 000 surrounding it, the property owner.

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They actually requested that they put in a petition that, rather than c3, they wanted.

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C2, which is medium density, residential and but then ultimately, listening to the conversations.

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That the commissioners were having, as they were, going through their.

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uh Meetings and all and the debates about it, the family submitted an amended petition.

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That was in concert with what the commissioners were looking to do, which was the northern section.

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Between the northern section here is about our 40 dome and then the r20 don't go around in.

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The industrial movement and that's what's approved and that's what we're designing.

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So this is just a summary we can jump through that talk a little bit about the density.

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Kind of at the end of the day, um it's the densities in the various areas are one unit.

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Per acre and that's what we're designing to uh in the middle section here, you're allowed up.

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To three and a half feet of grey cord about 2.5 minutes, breaker and the southern section, you feel.

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Out of three minutes great, when we're at 1.7 inch breakers gives you a sense of kind of utilization.

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And then I already talked about the access to the kind of the northern two districts.

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uh Residential nature will be the access out of better better group and then two additional access.

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Points one bringing you towards that extension and one bringing you over to progress way.

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This is primarily for uh two different things: one is the ability to distribute traffic. It gives.

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People options, but also residential again, nothing doesn't drop, um but it also allows for uh ems and.

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Fire all that safety uh to have multiple ways to get in and out of the community. Since there was a.

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Catastrophic situation, one of those intersections and other options, indianapolis.

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The business district's going to be accessed, uh as already mentioned, georgetown boulevard, is.

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Planned to come up through and connect progress away, so progress going through some public.

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Roads and we'll have some private roads and main connections throughout as well just to.

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Distribute the traffic inside the desert as well and then to the south there's three connection.

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Points into the existing community, and so the intent would be to make those connections and.

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Then have the connection going out to georgetown. Again, as I mentioned, that's probably going to be.

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The principal way that people come and go because it's going to be the easiest way to get yourself.

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um And then the georgetown extension, this just really showed you. uh This is the traffic circle.

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I was talking about that. The county's working on design is here, and the county has a plan to.

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Extend the road to and then this portion went through the sites that all fuel can act up through.

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Not only people the ability to get to the commercial areas that are at.

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26 and 32, without having to get out of 32 without having to get out here.

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That's what we got um so happy to take whatever questions you want to have.

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Sir, hey tom explain it. I missed. I apologize.

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Sure uh commercial spaces. You said it was forty thousand to fifty thousand square.

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So the question was the uh we call them different names, I'm going to refer to them as flex buildings.

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You guys prefer r d buildings, um but flex comes from flexible. So the answer to the question was.

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If they're 30 to 40 or 50 square feet, can you make them smaller than that? Yes, they're multi-tenanted.

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Buildings and typically, we have dividing walls and they can break them into as little as just under.

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Three thousand square feet as big as an entire building, and we have all of those quick questions.

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What kind of revenue would we expect you know from the commercial space.

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Yeah go ahead so yeah, so the value of that part of the development about 50 million dollars. Now that.

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Works out too, when you look at all the different things, it's kind of about five million dollars in.

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Value for the county, so it's significant, but it's I mean you can decide if it's a big problem.

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You cycling, um water, sure, good question very, very.

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Relevant questions also well so the state's looking at legislation right now, that's gonna.

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Answer some of those questions, uh one of the other things that I do is I'm the chair of.

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The legislative committee for an organization that doesn't really matter, but it's called mana.

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And we've been tracking legislation in annapolis this year, that's called.

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Some of the effect of uh climate impacting ourselves and basically what they're saying.

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Is electrification of all buildings throughout the whole state, including your houses? um They.

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Want to get off both natural gas and things like that. That's legislation, that's moving actively.

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Through both the house and the senate right now and something's going to pass this year, so the.

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State's really impressively thinking about that essence on properties several years ago, there's a.

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If I say the word leak led if people are familiar with that term or not, and I don't even remember.

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Exactly what it stands for with this leadership and energy efficiency design or something some of.

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That effect, but um it's a standard. It's a national standard, usgbc united states, green building.

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Council developed this standard of lead for all kinds of construction, all kinds of development.

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And sites, and things like that, so the company we committed to our developments in our buildings in.

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Particular now we've set a standard everything's going to be leed certified for the buildings.

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Sites are a little a little different, a little more challenging, sometimes because of the way.

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They're required to do the tracking. You can't determine if you actually get it until you're all.

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Done but it sets standards what you're going to do. Our buildings are lead silver, generally speaking,.

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We have 90 league buildings that makes us the biggest lead developer owner of builders in the.

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Entire state and fifth in the entire country, so it's always been a real commitment to I talk about.

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Just the water management, the environmental site design, is a very considered very green practice.

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We have looked at solar for our buildings. We haven't quite gotten over the hump for that, yet.

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And the big reason that is, that the utilities are not required to buy the energy that we generate.

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At the same rate that they sell it, well, obviously they sell it and then we buy it from other people.

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Who generate it with coal and things like that? So if we put solar on our buildings.

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We can't necessarily sell it back to the grid and that's that becomes a barrier for us, but they're.

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All things that we about look at and think about, and uh we actually, we actually have three people.

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Now and our departments, our sustainability group, uh brian schwaberbauer who's, the director of that.

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Group and they make the business case internally of you know, what are we doing to release those.

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Things so it's it's all stuff that we're looking at so every fall means as a future homeowner. I.

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Mean I think I would like to be buying a house that already is equipped with a solar proof.

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C

I know there's options for that as well. There's a lot of companies that go around and they and.

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They'll put it on your roof. I just would hope that you know here's a brand new thing again. It's.

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Not like refitting something else sure I think homeowners come here. We have. We have electric.

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Vehicle chargers in our in our parking lots. We have one here, we have yeah and then we have.

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I mean if people want to make their functions, we aren't going to be selling homes. Is that something.

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That the market's asking for I suspected the buyers will have to either as options or we would.

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Mandate that as a state they're certainly going to have corrections, especially.

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Other questions out in seven warehouses.

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149 retirement facilities tie into the existing neighborhood.

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This is well so they're, not warehouses, explain again what the flex space is. That's number one.

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Space well, some people might refer to it as a low-rise warehouse.

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um You can use it for that type of that type of use. Our buildings are 18 foot clear, so you.

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Can't do racking systems in our buildings, uh so people tend to use them as storage in some kind of.

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Minor amount of warehouse, but it's not a warehouse operation. How does it fit into the master plan.

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A property zone, industrial and these buildings fall. When you go into zoning code and you look and.

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You see what uses are allowed these buildings fit perfectly into that through the iron zone, uh 149.

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Retirement village, 55 plus that actually is, is spoken about very clearly in the.

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Freedom, community networks forget the name of the development plan or that the master plan for.

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The freedom area of the fccp that's very clearly stated and that there's a need for not for that.

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Type of product in the area that people are saying that that's needed and desirable so yeah and also.

A

I apologize what is the impact on traffic because of that, as opposed to, if it was other homes.

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Those tend to be lower generators right yeah, so they obviously don't have the school.

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Implications as well uh the other homes, the 34 in the sudden, there's obviously would be just regular.

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Market home to best schools and we'll have to wait for school capacity like anybody else, would.

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You're right, it will have an impact and nothing will be built until it's determined, whether it.

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Could be built and it could have the um again the requirements needed for it to be built. Now.

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It moved from commercial to industrial which has less of an impact of traffic, so that was a good.

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Thing and we're look, I mean this. This was a major concern when we looked at the beating property.

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What was going to have the least amount of traffic impact and also at least amount of feed.

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Onto bennett road, because my administrator lives on panera, and she would kick my you know what, if.

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No but um the least amount of traffic going on to ben um the over 55 also was meeting criteria.

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Because of the least amount of impact it would have on freedom elementary and the school system.

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So they you know package it with those things in mind, um we'll see where it goes from from there.

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Now I do have a question, though, is because it's brought up a lot. Liberty exchange and everybody.

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Thinks that liberty exchange is empty and because the storefronts, you know you don't see my, although.

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Indian cuisine, I think, is coming here soon: what is the percentage fill of liberty exchange if.

A

You can walk us through that sure it's a great question and we anticipated it as well.

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So I was just looking at the numbers yesterday, so liberty exchange is um people talk about.

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Mixed use, developments and pd properties really in mixed use development, but it makes some uses.

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Liberty exchange is similar as you move into liberty exchange. The front portion is retail.

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And you have one story office and you have the flex buildings in the back, so the retail and I'm.

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Going to talk about this, the retail buildings, are you know if I get this wrong, we're at.

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80 percent okay, 80 percent lease and we haven't- we've got market rate uh or better uh brands.

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Coming out of that park, so it's doing exactly what we wanted to do. uh The office building 100.

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Least and those are at were better than market rate rents and then the flex buildings in the.

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Back, we were at 90 percent, we had two buildings and we were at 90. Our rule of thumb is if we have.

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A building it's half leased. We were what we call spec builders for speculative builders.

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uh We don't have to have a tenant to build a building. We feel like we know markets well,.

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Enough, we wanted, we invest early and then we got the opportunity for someone to come and we bring.

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People to buildings- and things like that, we were at 90, at least and with the new building that we.

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Recently finished we're at 78 percent least now and again, market rent's, exactly where we want.

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Them to be so that project has been a good project for us, but we have gotten that concern from people.

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That especially the front there there's some pad sites that are planted in the front there for.

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Originally, we thought it would be a bank, a silver gas um and a press run or something like that pad.

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Sites are kind of what they are when you get to that point of the market. Something comes along.

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As they don't want this, like that, so the front of it's not fully developed yet but abilities.

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Are there exactly what we wanted to do very happy with that project? Any other questions.

A

Yeah, so uh I appreciate chamber of commerce always helps uh the chamber of commerce. Here.

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In carroll county, I think, has about 600 give or take that are part of the chamber.

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I participate in what's called the economic alliance of greater baltimore, which.

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Brings together the uh surrounding jurisdictions and carroll county.

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To talk about the value of carroll county um and the uh opportunities of carroll county.

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We are limited in space, we are limited in industrial growth, um so this is a target of.

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Opportunity to bring folks in to give us you know that five million dollars uh you know revenue.

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We are very good at manufacturing. We are very good with our workforce. We have a three percent.

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Unemployment rate here in carroll county so which is almost zero. You know considering so promoting.

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That, knowing that we have such a strong workforce, knowing that we have a workforce development.

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Corporation, that has a really good reputation, are all pieces of getting carroll county.

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Filled the way we want it to be filled like I said, nobody knows it better than carroll counties.

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We do not want to overfill, we don't want to get to a point where we're one of those other towns.

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West, okay and we've heard that enough times, but we want to fill it correctly. This may be the property.

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To do it same thing with disabled property, we'll see where it goes, but again the intent was for the.

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Developer to come in front of you you to feed him the questions I expect there'll be more tonight.

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As well so he can then be prepared as prepared as he can be before he starts going through the steps.

A

So I really do appreciate it. Yes, ma'am yeah. My question before was against liberty exchange.

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Yeah we knew, but we can't so. The question was how how long do we think it would take for this.

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Until now, we'll say it's better situated than really exchange it's getting closer to 26 to 32.

P

When we did liberty exchange, we knew that that site was going to be a slow, build up to the solar.

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Market, you know that so the absorption rate is slower. We think it's probably maybe seven to.

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Ten years, something like that uh starting to build out and we're just talking about the.

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And things like that uh ago, we were starting to be exchanged. The comment that was made to us was.

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That counting you, that if we were here to do what we do, that, we would actively bring businesses.

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Whereas a lot of times economic development, without kind of looking at great businesses,.

A

Okay, thanks don what other general questions? May you have yes, ma'am.

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Typing, in probably connect with her, if you haven't already.

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So let's do a one-on-one right afterwards and we'll follow up with that specifically, but I know.

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There is money because I've heard the situation not just the rentee, but also the renter.

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So and I know, there's money allocated and programs: let's follow up right afterwards, so.

A

What else yes, sir sir, what's the status of removing the decommissioned classification on.

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Some of the trails along liberty reservoir because they are decommissioned about we're precluded from.

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Using them for hiking or biking um and uh and they're just they're, just uh it just seems almost.

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Arbitrary that liberty reservoir is the only reservoir to my knowledge that has decommissioned.

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Trails out of all the reservoirs right in the state and uh just a few yeah, all of them now.

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Yeah and they're still used by hunters, but a hiker can't use them correct and we're just wondering.

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What the status of that, so the question has to do with the trails on liberty, reservoir.

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um Are you part of the friends of liberty, west, marcus, okay, so early on a couple of years ago,.

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I think I started getting myself engaged with you and others.

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The status of the trails on liberty, reservoir, I've been honestly say: I've lost the bubble on.

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Talking to baltimore city uh and I can re-engage unfortunately well realistically,.

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Liberty reservoir belongs to baltimore city. The trails surrounding the very reservoir belong to.

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Baltimore city, as you know, and they are maintained by a very small security force, environmental.

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Police force, I think, there's like three or four in order for them to maintain the trails and.

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Safety and security around the reservoir, what they decided to do to determine the best action.

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Was to shut off those trails and only make it available for one or two of these trails.

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And relying on volunteers as well to help clean up those trails just to interject.

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Yeah we've been told by faulkner dpw that we're not allowed to go on decommissioned.

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Trails to maintain or pick up trash what was the leading last time you talked with dpw.

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I have a little email, okay, that was just sent off okay about a month ago, um direct email saying that.

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We were staying off, precluded, yeah. Absolutely let me inject, let me get with um now. Well, they are.

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But okay is it possible? Maybe we could sit down and talk a little more about.

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And also, this is part of me being part of the board of the economic alliance, greater.

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Baltimore because I sit with the mayor and I will walk him through the issue now the last time I.

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Did this it was the previous mayor. So now I have to reengage and I will reach out to.

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Him, along with their dpw and see where we can get that's so great.

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We appreciate it and we'll we'll follow up with that. Thank you, so yeah. What else.

N

Just wanted to remind you that we're all very concerned about the schools right.

N

O

Right, so the question had to do with with all this growth happening. What about redistricting that.

A

Horrible four-letter word called redistricting, um although it's a lot more letters than four.

A

um We've had three meetings so far: the board of education, ccps the school system and we have.

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A few people on our staff participating in that from day one as your commissioner.

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That was one of my issues was, if we're going to be doing this, it's like that water, balloon.

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What are the impacts of redistricting? It's not just the freedom areas, not just freedom, school.

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But carrolltown freedom pining, I mean the whole ring springs and then going from there.

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They're in their third meeting, um I think they had their meeting last week or so.

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But I know linda is a part of it. uh She can follow up with you as far as the latest notes.

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And where you can find those notes and how you can also participate in three districts.

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In meetings it's huge, I mean it's a huge concern of mine because I know the concerns about moving a.

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Child from one school to another, you know so yeah where we're at it's active, it's better than it.

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Was before for two years it was standstill because the excuse was coveted now they're on their third.

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Meeting so at least it's moving forward. Okay, oh I I know I, I agree 100 with you. What else.

A

Okay, like I said, I tried to train the standard, not the time it went a little bit over time than.

A

I expected, I really appreciate all the engagement uh and I'll be back here at 6 30. So if you want to.

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Go through the same jokes have at it. If not, I will see you next time.

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