Carroll County, MD FY 20 Carroll County Government Budget Process, 11 Apr 2019

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Afternoon we are back in session and continuing with our budget deliberation.

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Work so ted I'll. Let you start off with I'm always give us changes and what.

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Occurred and the ramifications of that, so yes, we have given you a much smaller.

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Package here today, first page is done just captures choices that you made in.

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The last session refers to a discussion items handout, which we, the second page.

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And then you there have been two requests for more information. You talked.

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With the health department this morning and that roberto was making arrangements.

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With the state's attorney, I have not heard if anything has been arranged or.

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Not yeah, I haven't heard that one either. So on the second page, we just tried to.

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Organize this a little bit see water and sewer rates is something we said need.

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You to get talked about where you've taken an action, so we just noted that.

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Next column says this budget: these are once you might not technically need to.

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Do something in this budget, but we say they're kind of relevant to this budget.

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And then the last one would be things I think need to be on our minds and it's.

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Not that you couldn't act on them in this budget, but there are things that.

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Probably can be addressed in the future now fisher fraser, you said we had on.

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We're honest the first page, which says, reduce ag press funding and fy 23 to 25.

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Do you have that, just because there's only five year projection, because what.

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The motion was, I think, was 23 going forward. Okay right, this is only.

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Capturing what's in his five you're, like okay,.

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Okay got this yeah. Okay, you may have noticed there was some rearrangement of.

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People here there's no truth to the rumor that they wanted to get further.

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Away from you, uh-huh yeah actually sure they requested to sit up.

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Here so they could better see you and watch the oriole second, whereas he comes.

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In it's like a satellite view, is that what you're trying to do up there uh-huh.

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Better see this google earth view of us down here, that's the bobbsey trying to.

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Intimidate you yeah! Well lynn. Lynn already gave me one of these, so you know.

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All right, so there you go esp. I love it that it's gonna say. Can you provide that.

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Bottom line as to where we left off as it pertains to the reductions that we.

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Have made to this point yep: this is not deb's. First rodeo all right. I got okay.

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We are somewhat limited with this smaller screen now right. If we need to.

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Scroll up and down just let us know we got that you're looking for.

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What shadows, which I think is hank, hang on.

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You see pan down, I scroll back, I scroll up or.

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Down dan one away: yeah, okay, yeah, that's a little matter. Yep.

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Make the numbers figures that mean we have more money if, if only that is true.

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Only sighs, okay, fine, all right! So this here's! Here's where we.

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Are right now- and we have been- I think, down through some of the recommended.

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Reductions that that ted and his folks had provided to us- and I think we kind.

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Of went to the end of the line there, so I guess it's time now to to review those.

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And perhaps get into some questions about some of the other categories that.

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Aren't on here as to as to where our numbers are, I.

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Don't know if anybody has anything I've got a few. I've got a hard question for.

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Ted- but I don't want to ever shatter that question with anything that you all.

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Specifically have but ted, I you know we're in the middle of this and and you.

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Know I've said that we've done nothing here but reduce, which is, unlike all of.

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The years that I've been up here, so I guess my hard question to you to you- is.

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Number one: have you seen anything from the state that has led you to believe.

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That that there would be a change in revenue, numbers or other areas, only the.

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9-1-1 fee, but we've already taken a first step in addressing that yeah. I.

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Think I think I told you last time we we increased um the expected revenue from.

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One point one to two point: seven million dollars: that's based only on the.

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From her bill to per device, so that does not reflect a change in increase of the.

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Current fee that we have, if we needed to do that, no it doesn't. But I I don't.

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Think we can act on that yet, okay, my understanding is that we need to see if.

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The increase we're going to get from the per device change covers our costs right.

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Does then it's not in our hands to raise the okay, the rate if it comes up short.

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Then we can make a choice to raise the rate okay, and I only ask that question.

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As it pertains to the fact that there were on our on our positions lists there.

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Was a request for additional positions at our 9-1-1 center? Yes, and in the hopes.

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That that funding comes through, we would be able to apply the increase or the.

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Added revenue from going from bill to device that would cover those four.

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Positions, if we wanted to add those positions right and and the difficulty.

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We have now and that's possible. I said we went from one point, one to two point.

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Seven, I think it's quite possible. It will be more than 27, so we have no hard.

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Information on what this changes in fix, we don't know how many devices are out.

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There so it's it's hard. We felt comfortable telling you two point: seven.

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So we really say it'd be tough to think it's not going to be that much right.

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Okay, so more sit. So that leads to the question of at in the mid in in the.

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Middle of fiscal 20 if the revenue comes in, as we hope that it does, we could add.

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Positions at that time in lieu of adding them now with nowhere to be able to to.

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To finance them yeah, that's possible, okay, but we do have $230,000 for new.

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Positions, I understand that in there right. I understand that, but that doesn't.

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Look at other positions: well, I'm looking at that dentist's as as an alternative.

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To putting those aside for a bit until we see the the whatever the results of.

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That increase in that next-gen funding not to put them off because they're.

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Needed, but to bring but to delay it. If we can that's my point, okay, so which.

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Would give us the opportunity then, to highlight a couple of the other.

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Positions right, okay, and if we followed that path, what would happen is we could.

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See how the revenues coming in now, fortunately, do we get this? Do we see it.

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Monthly or quarterly, so we don't have a lot of visibility, but I quitted the.

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Halfway point say: well, it looks like we're on our way to three point: three.

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Not two point seven right and you could choose to then spend money. You hadn't.

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Planned to spend, we could do one of two things at that point. You could take.

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Money out to preserve for contingency, to fund those positions. Knowing now that we.

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Have more revenue than we expected and we use more than we expected so no net.

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Affects your bottom line: if we don't want to deplete the reserve for.

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Contingencies, you could actually open the budget up to be amended to recognize.

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A new revenue and a new expenditure- okay, that means you know public hearing the.

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The same surrounding you go through the budget, okay, so in the interest of.

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Continuing on there on the revenue area that I've been speaking about and ted up,.

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Work with you for a long time, so I remember the days when he were an.

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Analyst and I was sitting in visa and we were going through our budget. So that's.

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In my mind, a long time yeah and I'm not sure how I'm gonna ask this respectfully.

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But I'm just gonna throw it out there, you don't even have to be respectful. If.

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You don't well yeah.

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Your revenue projections and the confidence that you have in those.

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Projections is there any any possibility that that you would consider adjusting.

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Those at this point, my short answer, what I consider is no the reason. I say that.

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And we've spent a lot of time talking about this struggled with a lot of ideas.

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And where we are right now, if I had to say, is they're more upside to where.

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We've left things or more downside. I think there's more downside that doesn't.

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Mean that things can't can't get better and again the big wild card here is.

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Income tax right- and I hope I've told you all previously- if income tax came in.

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Three million dollars higher than we projected or three million dollars, lower.

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Than we've projected, I wouldn't be surprised either way, there's that much.

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Uncertainty about where we are, but when I look at each of our revenues where we.

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Are with with what we know, I would not be able to say to you. Yes, I think we can.

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Increase revenues. Now, if the board says you know, thank you for your thoughts.

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But we want to increase the revenues. You know I'll, do what you tell me to do, but.

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That was part b of my question had, but I I can't encourage it. You know if you.

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Went there I would say I don't agree with you doing it, but it's on our.

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Shoulders so I just I want to make sure that the the people realized that the.

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Ramifications of that, if we would make that decision well,.

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Ted's very conservative in his estimates, which is good. I appreciate that, but.

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Anything that comes in and changes later she said we can go back and make some changes if it's six months into the year of sudden.

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Things turn around and I don't mean catch off.

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He's got the expertise, he's known us for years I mean we could, if you wanted to.

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We could just buy whatever those deficits are for each of those years and.

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Well, what okay, so I would never say it yeah. I know that, but I would never.

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Suggest that not in essence, you are no, but not certainly would be easy way to.

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Do the budget, if we can put anything we want in it, but we have so it's trouble.

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My only my only thoughts on that suggestion would be merely if we get.

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This close we'd be able to have that ability to just go okay.

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And I don't know what this clothes means, but it could be, as this closest you know,.

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Five hundred thousand or something you know where I want you yeah, I'm not.

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Suggesting you were saying just throw it out right here, whatever you want here,.

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Right I wait to my last year before you that.

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Okay, just on the idea that I'm being conservative widget, which is, is true, you.

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Know I owe if we're wrong. I want us to be on the wrong side on the right side.

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Of being wrong wrong correct, but I don't want to leave an impression that these.

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Numbers are what they are just because I'm being conservative like it's a.

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Little bit earlier, if anything, I'm still were a little worried that we're too.

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High with worry and in recent years- and this is part of you know- we've talked.

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About in reducing our projections several several times in recent years, my.

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Worry is that we have been projecting too high in order to keep from track.

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From handcuffing your your decisions, okay, goodnight it one more year, so.

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That's the hard question coming out now: anybody else have any thoughts on that.

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On that dumb idea, okay, does anyone have any areas.

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Where they would like to visit say I had an area, but when I talk to staff about.

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It I realized it really wasn't an area, okay, and I think that I had a little.

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Discussion- and I think I know where that was hearing hearing nothing right now,.

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Could you pull up that the- and I had mentioned this on tuesday, the pavement.

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Management and the numbers that are projected there.

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You're asking me, I would ask you that so do you want me to go to the capital page.

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Itself, yeah yeah. I think that would be beneficial because I'm gonna propose. I.

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Think I think I'm gonna propose something here in an attempt to try to.

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Get us to a closer place: okay and school year. Twenty is twelve point. Seven.

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Million dollars growing to fifteen point nine million dollars 2005, that's page 55.

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Of the budget summary 55 of the smaller.

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I was in the wrong bus up. Yes, okay,.

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So, what's the right and say you're just my numbers on arnold, oh yeah, I got it. I.

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Got it everyone? I got it, I'm good movers, your stairs from all this look. I've got it so, just to the rest of my colleagues, I I.

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Studied all these numbers again last night at nauseam and met with some staff.

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This morning, in reference to this and I'm gonna preface what I'm about to say.

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With the fact that you know we we are, we are to at a point here where I'm not.

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Sure, where we're looking anymore, I'm really not and if we're gonna start.

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Looking at people and we've already looked at things that I'm very uncomfortable with I'll be honest with you, we've taken money away from not in.

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Carroll, which I think is awful you know we all make a big deal about the opioid.

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And drug issue, but yet y'all voted to take money away from that program. I'm.

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Uncomfortable with that, what we're getting to places where it's just it's.

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Almost gonna come down to where it affects people, so in my mind, I'd rather.

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Affect stuff as it pertains to people, so I have to agree with you on that. I think.

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You're going in the right direction, yes, well, look at that see if we are so, I.

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Work with staff, you know I want to give it kudos to them for the questions that.

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I asked and they've proposed to me a possible a possible change in these.

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Numbers and of course it's all gonna be up to you guys as well on you know, you.

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Know so in fy2012.

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660- and I would say, leave that alone in 21 the number is 13 120 and if you can.

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Plug this in as we go deb okay well before she starts plugging, I need to.

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Give you a complication, might forward, as you think, all right that yeah okay, this.

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This is funded with highway user revenue and with bonds. Okay, it's actually free.

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Up money for you to do something else: if it's highway use revenue, we'd have to.

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Find another place: that's eligible for highway use a revenue that currently has.

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Cash and we might be able to do it, but it's not gonna, be a lot of money. Okay,.

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Yeah we're talking about, if hundreds of thousands, not millions and with bonds, if.

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We don't do a rural road, don't sell bonds, we will say some cash, but you.

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Won't be sitting on a million dollars, you'd be saving ninety thousand dollars a year or something- and I can I get that so so. Maybe that leads to the question.

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In the in the you know, book we've got reallocated bonds in 20 of 1.1 million.

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And that nothing's shown in 21 through 25, but there are bonds just not not.

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Reallocated buttons: okay, yeah. We should be a like a bonds that just means we had.

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It on another project they weren't needed, so we put them okay, I moved them.

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To another place, and as it as it pertains to the highway user revenue, I.

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See that that's four hundred four thousand and twenty and he an eight.

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Hundred thousand through 24 each year.

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Now, wouldn't you take that out and I think you answered it maybe but couldn't.

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You take that out and apply it somewhere else. Yes, but probably not that much. I.

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Mean that the reason most of the tears- because this is where the biggest cost.

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Is like we were talking a little bit earlier. We think there's some storm.

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Brain stuff that has cash on it now, where you could put highway user.

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Revenues- it's not this magnets, okay, all right! Well, I'm suggesting that we reduce.

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Our pavement management, by about five mil over the next three years.

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To try to get these numbers where they need to be, I don't know how the rest of.

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That's going to work, but it's just a suggestion. So I'm gonna give these and.

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Then we can we'll see what the ramifications are as what I'm attempting.

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To do here so well, so let me give you the breakdown. Actually, it's about four.

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Point seven: five: I think that, but I heard the way that it's broken down in.

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Fy 21, the recommended was 13 120 and we make that 13 million, so 120 thousand.

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There in 22, they ask, is 13 770 and they asked her that I'm suggesting 12 five.

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And then in 23 they asked us 14, 375 and.

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I'm suggesting to 11.

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And then 24 and 25 would stay the same, which would sort of be a way of looking.

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At you know we're getting back to what we need to do, but again I'm I'm trying.

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To find every little bit every little penny here that we can.

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That's all I'm not trying to not trying to override the tremendous amount of.

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Work that our budget analysts have done with these departments is either, but you.

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Know where we are here tim, so that's why okay well, heidi is looking right now to.

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Try and determine: where do we have places where we might be able to move.

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Highway whose revenue location cash, I got some gravel roads I'll throw at you.

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Anything you looking at me, hi she's working. What did we determine how.

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Much we could free up there if we can subtract that from your total change.

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Okay saying we would issue that much less in.

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Bonds and then we could say approximately what that frees up. Okay.

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That service, if we would have paid and again this is just a proposal gentleman.

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I'm not you know, and in the interest of trying to find what we need to find here.

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And get it and- and I will point out- I mean we're all pretty smart- that you.

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Know we're four eight nine ten hours now we've been reducing, we haven't done.

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Anything, I think every one of us have studied these numbers overnight and.

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Looked at this very deliberately and we're all doing the same yeoman's work.

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And trying to figure this out, I mean to me: I think we need to sort of look at.

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The projects that brought to our attention and come to realization.

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Whether we want to keep them moving forward or take them away and then I'll.

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Limit our focus on what you know, the plus.

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We're gonna be doing defined projects personnel. You know we had. Staff come to.

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A city we need an it personnel for whoever are we going to be moving.

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Forward to an it positions, it could be any of those positions, car we're going.

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To start addressing those same places, two things off the table at this point.

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Put they're not in the budget they're part of the equation.

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Well, I understand that so it's not just getting this budget zeroed out then.

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Moving forward, it's also understanding what are the requirements? You know after.

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That I mean what we're gonna have to address some time so well, right now,.

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We're trying to reduce ad yeah, but I understand, like oh boy, understand where.

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You're going off so I that we're going to reuse. I got that, but I think I don't.

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Know but so you're subjecting unless I'm missing.

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Your point you're suggesting we take that 230,000 out and forget personnel.

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All gathering or is that what you're saying possibly or look at the personnel.

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Cuz 230,000 ain't a whole lot of personnel. You know so it may be just be.

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What we're getting to a sticking point at some at some level? Let's look at the.

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Requirements start lobbing them either off or putting them on here and then we.

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Just keep working, I mean, let's keep the momentum going in the discussion as.

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Opposed to still trying to dive into this right this second, but if we don't.

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Dive into this and get it to where it needs to be, I'm not sure where we're gonna be able to go well. I think I think there are certain requirements that were.

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Brought to our attention that are very high level priority.

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Requirements- and we want to, we want to address those like what.

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Sheriff's disability was a priority, I think to everyone of us, as we stood here.

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Other day the three percent raise you know or five percent way. You know.

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The there were certain you know, I guess, but if yours, okay, but if you're gonna.

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Plug that in and our numbers are further apart, I know I agree, so I'm not sure we.

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Got the bus we got it we got to, we can't just start zero, a budget out moving.

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Forward so you're suggesting we stop all the things that we have done to this.

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Point plug in the things that we have set as priorities and then go back to trying to balance somewhat someone yeah yeah. I.

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Mean look principal I'm looking at what are the requirements that we wanted? Okay,.

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Okay, so that's fine, I'm looking at you know what are the requirements we so.

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Then why do we have folks come in eatos? These are things that are must-haves.

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Let's well that's the way I mean that's, that's typically the direction that.

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We've always given everyone right and those remember those folks that come.

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In to give us that direction, there are not in tune with the numbers, as we are.

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They're coming in asking without knowing that we say that we started off at.

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Whatever it was right so, but it's uh-oh can't we make requirements well sure we.

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Can but if we do that, then that's gonna bring everything back up. What's it.

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That's right and that and that's okay, we got it, you know, look at how to bring the.

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Budget down to a certain point how'd, you then look at the requirements.

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Moving forward, it will create a larger number, but.

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It's things that we're here you still have to see eyes. I knew didn't. Do it.

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Yeah later, though, I see it the other way, that's what I was seeing it that we try.

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To get to a place where we have some extra, where we could address some of the.

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Things that we had put on our priority list, that's the way that I was looking at. Let's see where this comes out. First.

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The challenge, because I agree with you about the pavement piece, but I think.

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Challenges all mostly how it's gonna be addressed, but it's not as lord of a.

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Number, I think, yes, ten, you look like a game show host.

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Yeah I understand where you're going edye I do I just. I just think that that.

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Line of thinking with this gets a set of further apart place. At this point, it.

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Will at this point on thursday, it will, but it always bring more attention where.

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We share acquirements where we see what would we have to peel away? I mean this.

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Is not we're not good, you know, and so at least we're playing as much on cable.

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Going into the weekend as we can well, if my colleagues want to go to that.

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Router, I'm good with it and plug everything in we want to plug in and.

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Then kind of start over again on tuesdays, it's not so much starting.

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There's nothing there's absolutely no starting over there. It is, if we do it.

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Your method, no, it's not changed, moved on. I think that's what I did say in here.

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I'd really I'd really like the idea. Mrs. luskey has to say here he's got a.

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Presentation of leave force, I kind of like the game, show idea. President. That's.

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A clip on need, vanna, white, just a couple seconds. We're kind of working this on.

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I really do like the idea looking at the capital budget, I think that's a good.

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Place to look okay, I don't want to say this is our final answer, because we know.

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That's not this quick and it should be in the ballpark highway user revenue. We.

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Have one place where we have cash? We could move highway user revenue. That's.

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This line here so it by a 139,000 the first year going to about 156 and in the.

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Last year, then figuring again very quickly that service impact from the.

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Changes that you suggested and remember you don't get that impact immediately.

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Because we issue the bonds pretty much after we've sold and then you only pay.

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One debt service payment in the first year etc, but here's here's what you.

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Would get in the debt service impact set, 2.6 million dollars correct, but I'm.

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Prepared to go further, if need be in the hopes that these things, that we are.

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Reducing if we see an uptick in revenue we plug back in and we're going to get.

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Them back to where they were suggested.

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Okay, we've had no time to talk about this. So okay, if we that's, why we're.

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Reducing by a few million dollars, how do we get debt service reduction of more.

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Than one main' understand: okay, good, okay,.

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Okay, all right, so this this is the relevant line here.

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This is your your. This is what you would free up. Twelve thousand one hundred and.

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Thirty: nine thousand four hundred thirty three thousand four hundred thirty three.

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Thousand in debt service- yes correct right so about five hundred and fifty.

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Thousand in the year twenty five: are you saying in total.

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Well, that doesn't include the highway user. Does it does it? Okay? Yes, that's.

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Right, we took it back out yep their minds, we're back up to twenty four.

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Okay, I know that's complicated that seven year 2020 we're still three minute.

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But there's three million see even though we're talking about millions of.

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Dollars have changed to the roads program. It's not freeing up that much.

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Cash in the bottom line, okay, so in saying that what's not being done well,.

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We're taking that money away, oh we'd, be doing a lot less roads. That's right! I.

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Don't know what roads they would not not do by done, it's important to understand.

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And you don't know this answer and you wouldn't is: what is the impact of.

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Reducing that money, it's not just we're doing less, but how much less.

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Okay, okay, that's history! There: okay, okay! Well! Looking back! That would be the.

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Equivalent of 20 to 25 miles so about 20, 25 miles path of roads. That would not be.

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Serviced in 21, 22, 23 and any interest of not knowing exactly what the specifics.

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Are you know they remember now that they do their their needs based on pavement.

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Conditions and there's an it there's a there's, a whole formula right, so I don't.

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Know that you can just sit here and say: okay, we're not doing 20 miles of roads.

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It would be based on the conditions of the pavement. No, you can't say we're not.

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Doing 20 miles of roads, but what we can so what I defined allen: infinite. What.

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What the impact is of not having that money, I mean. Okay, I was gonna finish.

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Okay, so they've got what they've called pavement condition index and these.

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Changes would get us from seventy eight point: three, which is satisfactory to.

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Seventy point: six, which is fair, so.

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That's that's what these that's, what these changes would mean, keeping in mind.

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Of course, that you know I will tell you that in surrounding jurisdictions, our.

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Roads, even if this would still be in better shape than they are because I.

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You know, I know we're looking at places to try to get money from and I.

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Appreciate the work that you know went into finding this, but I'm worried about.

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The maintenance on the roads- if we do this and I said it's gonna- go to 71.

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Well, whatever- and I don't know and I'm from actually from when I was a city.

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Councilman I we looked into this a bit because that's what westminster was.

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Doing there the road stuff and but when I was told back, then you never want to.

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Go below 73, I don't know what that would bring us here, but once you, when the.

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Roads start to carry, and you don't do what you need to do. Then it just cost so.

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Much more to keep up with it yeah. I think this one below 73 in westminster.

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Oh, they did that's why we changed a kiss. Well, I.

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They did, I think, they're still there, because I was on a road the other day in.

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The city that was unbelievable so anyway, I'm not gonna, cancel anymore yeah. So now.

D

That's the adjusted, and it doesn't really I mean if you look at that help.

D

Is that worth is like this? Is the juice worth to squeeze here, because doesn't.

D

Really help us out of that much I mean, does help us out not saying it doesn't.

D

But I think it does and I finish down and I will say that in two years out we.

J

Could potentially be in a totally different financial position to.

J

Reevaluate this and put money back into it. Yeah keep in mind, and I agree with.

A

You dennis I'm not arguing the point about the road condition. Trust me because you're talking in the gravel road guy griffin, I've been parking about.

F

Seven right, but what it does and- and I was only looking at a temporary here.

A

Because I've suggested that we stay the same right, what they asked in 24, so it.

A

Gives us the ability for three years to back off a little bit to save whatever.

A

Yeah, I I appreciate everything you're saying and I do and if I just tight the.

D

O me dude: where are you taking money from something's gonna? Give ya about it, which I was gonna say? Juice may not be worth.

A

The squeezing but find me another bottle now I give you credit here. You've looked.

C

At a bottom line, we have introduced we're getting down to 22 and 23, really.

C

Scare me more than anything here, but at least it's this could be income tax.

C

Three, the amount we're into now: it's just a bump there and we could be in.

C

Good good shape right now or something you know that yeah a bump past there. I.

C

Mean but we just stuff to look a little further. This makes it more manageable.

C

It's just an idea, gentlemen. I'm trying to do all I can here. That's all I get it.

A

I appreciate you you've done this before. I cannot believe in two years we're.

E

Gonna have won something was the lottery that money to put back into something.

E

What roads are tough and did you squeeze huh yeah? Okay, lookin? I would be hopeful.

A

That the highway user revenues- maybe you can see banging at that we can do it.

A

Every year down in look we're gonna, have a change in administration and change.

E

The administration yeah that's right, yeah, that's in 2022, even though people.

B

Look at this as a favorable, favorable and administration. What we've gone from.

B

Is 1 million to 2 million dollars and changed from the legislative formula to.

B

A grant so that unfavorable is that way. That's what you're saying.

E

A favorable in the sense that it wasn't the opposite: it's not gonna, be this good.

E

Alright, a couple years now, I'm just saying we didn't gain all that much.

B

No, actually, this valleys didn't and then was way better than we did here, but even.

B

They are still far far below what we used to be the norm. I hate saying this.

C

Is there anywhere we can push something out a year that would make up a.

C

Difference any area we could just shove out a year after 22, 23, 24, dude.

C

There's lots of things you can shove out a year. It's not even really do accept.

I

Side consequences: I mean it not suggesting this, but you could say we're.

I

Gonna, take a year off from road road paving and spend nothing see. I didn't do.

A

That, okay, oh again, if I ever, I start that with I'm not suggesting. Well, I'm.

A

Gonna see where this goes, I'm gonna make a motion to do this as a placeholder. I.

A

Will second that? Because, if not, it goes away.

D

Well, it might go away anyway. I vote on this, so how much money are we taken out.

D

Of the the payment for each year and actually how much money are we getting.

D

For that, because we're paying debt on death service on bonds and I stuff so.

D

What is it, you know what I mean so we're taking out the first year. What are we.

D

Taking out a total 259 to get a hundred twenty thousand, was there alright he's.

B

Asking how much did we reduce paving.

A

See I could give you the raw numbers: oh yeah, I'm down about 120,000 and 21 yeah.

G

But this is not the formula that you're plugging the rest of the stuff into, but.

A

120,000 and 21 about 1.2 and 22, and about 3.3 and 23, and I adjusted my.

G

Adjusted this 3.3 down to 2.9, for because I have cash that can be used.

G

Instead of reducing bonus, okay, let's look at f y 22 is to get to 1.2.

D

Million, what does that cost us for bonds and whatever other? Because it's not all.

D

Cash is coming either, but it's it would be more debt service.

D

No well 1.2 is what you gave up right. What does that cost? I mean all right.

H

What are we getting at well, how much want to say this down if you're taking.

D

1.2 million out correct: what are we actually getting savings after after you.

D

Pay, the debt service or anything else. What do we get so? The debt surprised at.

D

That service of 1.2 million is what a hundred twenty seven thousand okay, yes,.

G

10% so we'll get 90 percent of the money we take out, but that's that year right.

B

Well, you don't get it that year I mean you'd, see you actually see you lose the.

B

Paving today and get the debt service savings later 20 years.

A

Clear as mud boy well, it is highly if you say we're not gonna spend a hundred.

B

Thousand over here we're gonna spend it over there. That's easy! If you don't use.

B

The don't use the bonds. You don't have that that slide here. All right, I got a.

A

Motion in second on it on the floor, any other questions before we attempt this.

E

As part of the economic business development and the growth that we want.

E

We're not gonna be appealing showing a failure and a lot of what you're talking.

A

About it or on state highways unstriped on state highways, I understand that, but.

A

Your statement says you're looking at business and, and you know, employment.

A

Centers and and or whatever employment campuses tell me one, that's not on a.

A

E

Absolutely okay! So that's why I'm suggesting they're not! I know what my.

A

Point right there non-sale highway, okay um across from century. The ask me an.

E

Employment campus, I mean that's, not a state highway, you know and we and we.

E

Just approved that two months ago, okay, going to the idea there are plenty, it is not one thing or another: it's just they're, gonna again.

E

This that juice and squeezed, and now that you know what I said, I said what.

C

You're saying but we're into our very tongue: well, let's see where and again.

A

Remember these are only placeholders. We can always come back to take it out and.

A

Do whatever or it could be taken out now, based on this vote in fiscal and then.

A

We're back to the juice, so all those in favor aye aye opposed no, no okay right.

A

Now it's a place over.

J

Are there other spots in this capital budget? We can look at yeah cuz after.

J

Your comments, tuesday, are thinking about it as well. I think that's where our.

J

Potential solution lies in the long term on the capital budget. There are things.

B

You can look at there's not a lot to look at, though you know the capital.

B

Budget has never either remotely begun to resemble what it looked like before.

B

The recession right, but you have you- have the old capital summary here.

B

Starting on yeah at age, 53, okay, now keep in mind. 53 is schools that we cover with.

B

The dedicated local income tax, so unless we change our approach, so we have skip.

J

Over page 53 right unless, unless we're gonna change, how we do this, I want you.

J

Be as honest and upfront as possible, so edie, based on your the way that you were.

A

Talking it, would it be your opinion right now that we revert back to putting.

A

In the priorities and attempt to put them in so that we get a better picture.

A

Of the minuses on the bottom line, there are certain elephants in the room and we.

E

Don't want to talk about the elephants and that's revenue, that's taxes. It's.

E

Using money from last year, 19 to go into 20 days has been done fast. Those are.

E

Some of the very large elements that I'm not prepared to talk about because I.

I

Don't know what what the pictures don't look like time to get to where we wanted.

E

So for me, instead of looking at those very large elephants in the room, look at.

E

The things that we think we have you know we work together, making those.

E

Decisions I mean there's and and then so we all understand. Okay, these are the.

E

Paths we want to go forward with okay, well, we're gonna have to put them and.

A

We're gonna have to instead of talking about them, we're gonna have to put them.

A

Real, so you go ahead, plug them in let's go, we don't. We can make estimates, but we.

B

Need to know what the intended benefit is before we put a cost line mean I mean.

B

There there could be different designs to plan now the sheriff has set 66 and.

B

Two-Thirds and if you can't be no longer be a policeman, but that's not the whole.

B

Only way the benefit could be different, it costs me set up. So it's about you.

B

Can't work, not you just can't be a policeman, so there would need to be.

B

Decisions about what benefit you intend to provide to put a number on it. The.

J

Type of policy would need to be determined before we can calculate the.

J

Expense because the difference can be hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

E

Well, do we need to get the sheriff come back in this department? I can say here.

E

Are the three programs to decide from or do we just have the one program and say.

E

If that would make something up well, we have, we haven't, had any direction from.

B

The boards, I don't have an answer for that from getting the different programs.

B

Are you doing anything right? You see the sheriff never had actually made a budget.

B

Request for this item, he's talked to you about it and he came in and made this.

B

Proposal to move plan money from here here right, but we never actually had a.

H

Request the board has never said we want to know if we do this.

B

It's going going to cost, I mean there's, potentially an infinite number of.

B

Different nylons can give you okay, and we have looked at commissioner weber and.

A

I were looking at a couple plans leading up to right this work, but it would.

A

Depend on which plan that they would want to take now I can tell you if they.

A

Walked in here today, they'll tell you they want exactly what the lis ops plan gives do, so iii, don't think that's where they are. I think they want to look at.

C

Some way to start progressing in a positive form here or okay. Well, that's.

A

Not then you and I are on the wrong page there too, if they don't get 66 and.

A

Two-Thirds in my mind, then they don't they're, not interested at your mind. No, I.

C

Think they were looking to progress in that direction, and this is for sheriff.

C

And attendants intention center staff and keep in mind what we're doing here.

C

Is going to lead into fire and ems as we go down the road a little bit so I'll.

C

Have this request the last board requested of information on this right.

A

Which is why we're working on it? So we had sat down with hr years and we got.

H

Some of those numbers right, but there's always been some some disagreement on.

A

The way in which see we don't have our plan doesn't provide for a straight up.

A

66 and 2/3 way, our plan requires social security right. This plugging in this.

A

Plugging in and I'm not going to say what they are because I'll get misquoted.

A

And their copy headlines in the paper tomorrow then.

A

Lance is wrong, but there were different levels of being able to get them to.

A

Write the the amount that they were looking at and we were. We were pretty.

A

Close but dick, I can't remember what those numbers I can't actually either.

C

But what we need is a plan in place over the next couple years. To start.

C

Implementing this and moving in that direction, and I think we have to request that now see what those numbers on there are. Our.

B

Numbers and you you're saying why aren't there numbers yet so when you say plug the numbers in, we can't plug numbers in unless we know.

B

What benefit you intend to author? I understand.

E

So you're saying there are numbers, so it we just have to have them in front of us.

E

Food cuz, I don't know what they all right. I believe the commissioners were.

B

All given it, but here I actually have it in front of me: okay, can we, I believe, can.

C

We eat this sandwich and plug in x amount of dollars. What would that buy.

C

Well, if he's got it, I think that's close if there's numbers your price and as far.

B

As progressing towards something, if we're talking about implementing.

B

Something in this next six years, there's not gonna, be any big advantage to you of.

B

Doing it partially in 20, partially in 21, 22 means it's still in 25. It's gonna.

B

Have the same impact as it does either either way ought to be frank, I don't.

D

Want to shortcut this, but maybe I do we just gave them a nine percent pay.

D

Increase last choice is so loud. Well, I understand pay increase. Last year, people.

D

Couldn't hear you so I mean why that was on my priority list. I have to say it was.

D

Fourth, there's other things I like to see. First before we get into this people.

D

And if we had the money, I'm all for it, but we don't have the money this year we.

D

Do not they got a nine percent pay increase last year? What everyone else.

D

Around the county got three watch don't like to examine if there would be a way.

A

And well, there's I mean ursa, like I mean if there would be a way that we could.

A

Get closer to what they're asking for keeping in mind that the sheriff and.

A

Good faith came in and said: look I don't need the amount of sros than that right.

D

Because the basis behind that was, you know, use some of that to be able to get.

A

Us closer well that I understand that was his idea, but the fact is just.

D

Because we overshot on how much money we gave her sros, because we wanted to fully.

D

Protect the students in carroll, county and being a sheriff. He knows better than.

D

We do what it requires and he came up with a plan that was a from what a.

D

Superior plan great what and I believe him on that he knows we talked about. We.

D

Didn't but just because we committed more money to it, it wasn't he. It doesn't.

D

Mean that money, something else he wants when he comes back to us and that's what even with that money coming back we're still where we are when we did this last year, we had no idea what the state requirements yeah.

C

We just plug that in and all of a sudden we still now we have adequate coverage.

C

And we can do that with fewer people, so that money was returned to us and okay.

B

That memory, I'm saying no money returned, we didn't I'm sorry ted you're right.

C

There's no money right terminology: the money was not spent or not pulled at.

C

This point to be spent for sros, you know and where we are in this, we put this.

C

Back into the mix already that would be enough to- I guess, get us enough good.

C

Direction on the thank you, what would be enough? The money that was not allocated.

C

Out at the present time for sros to put into that, you keep going back to that.

B

But there there is no money to move it hit us not spending planned money in the.

B

Future, when you have a negative bottom line, there's it doesn't go to anything.

B

Okay, I can't go to anything, which is why.

A

Which is why I'm challenging stuff well.

E

Okay well, but before we do that there we had well we're not eat work, we're closer.

A

Yeah, in my comments are not about what path you choose to take. I'm just saying.

J

I don't want an idea hanging out there that there's a pot of money ready to.

B

Vote to something no pot, no take it out of this desk drawer and put it over.

F

There, no okay, so we're back to where you are, were back back back to regularly. I'm.

J

Looking at the top of page 54, I need an educational and the conservation open.

J

Space expenses is it possible in the 22 and a out years if we can solve that.

J

Deficit in those numbers, we do very well with the watershed assessment.

J

Improvement, I mean, is it to a point where we can reduce the funding in the.

J

Future on that, or is that mandated if there's numbers I do not know, educate me.

J

Okay ag land preservation, we talked some.

B

About the other day, it's a little bit less in the first couple years, but you.

B

Could take up to three million dollars a year out of that environmental.

B

Compliance and theory it could go away. We keep it there because we don't know.

B

In any one year where md might say, you've got to do something about this.

B

But we don't have to have that money there stormwater facility renovations. I.

B

Find it hard to say it'd be a good idea, but we could do some something less.

B

There, the watershed assessment and improvement. It's in your hands, you could.

B

Say spend less money there, but we have to do it, knowing that this is all tied.

B

In to us not having implemented a new tax, our agreement with the state on how.

B

We were going to move ahead. We actually have a special fund set aside where we.

B

Spend this money and the revenue goes in, and we still have the permit that we.

B

Have so if we do, if we do less, we will end up out of compliance and then we'll.

B

Be in the same position and there's a lot of other counties, we're talking to state about consent agreements say it's hard to see yeah, it might buy you a.

B

Couple years, but it's not going to improve our situation. Well, that's why I.

J

Want to know so, basically, here's 22. Now we can't even touch the watershed.

J

Assessment funds: well, you can well, we can well. We could yeah.

F

But but environmental compliance at 75,000 it could zero that out understand.

E

The risk associated with it yes and, if necessary, to find that 75,000 at any. But.

A

Somewhere else, so my recommendation: is we zero that out good call.

E

Putting attention to this so yeah that would be the only and the only place.

A

That I would even attempt to look at because this does those how it complies.

C

With you go too far, I mean on the ranch and we're out there just in case this.

C

One- and this is another one- wait: 75 doesn't buy you 75, because half of it we.

B

Have embalming so look? It is let emotion, 500 plus a couple dollars in debt.

B

Service I'll second, that motion wow he's such an excitement, killer.

A

Commission frazier how he has on if you already have it all right, so I've got a.

A

Motion and a second they get rid of 160 thousand and twenty and seventy five.

A

Thousand in the out-years, knowing that that's not anywhere near where the.

A

Number is correct.

A

Okay, all in favor aye that was unanimous for keepers. That was unanimous. Did you.

A

Get that deb. I cannot touch any of that land.

E

I wouldn't even I quickly flip the pan. Well, we got the something out of that.

C

Column, you really need bridges in 21 all right. What do you got? Well paint you.

F

Guys on there it does fluctuate or your amazing efforts were 37 50s. So in the.

E

Parks and rec at page 57, the sports, complex, lightning you're in record parks.

B

Yeah remember: this is largely funded with program open space yeah, which is it.

B

Available for you to move anywhere else, there is some cash in in the mix where.

B

Would I look tot lot replacements park restorations we're talking about he's.

J

Saying taught lots, okay, know, taught lots, wasn't that was my.

B

Park, restoration, you said, is our restoration is now keeping wine mine.

E

With that, this is basically taking care of the.

B

Infrastructure, it already has this becomes a question much like the road.

B

Paving question yeah and I had to say this is my recollection- is he can.

D

Correct me, ted, hopefully, won't we'd have money in that four years and.

D

We added money to that because the parks got the condition. Parks really went.

D

Downhill, that's correct! So that's why we put this amount of money in there and.

D

It's really not adequate for what needs to get done. I'd be really hesitant.

D

Taking any of that money, you have the town fund, that's where we're we're.

B

Paying half of what the town's have to match for their program, its base, money.

B

And you've got, but if we took that, would they lose open space money? No, they were.

B

Just half the couple they'd have to come up at the entire mouth, but they match.

D

They would love us for them and then the self health projects. This is where you.

B

Know, rec councils and communities are putting in labour money, materials and.

B

We're providing some money toward it. The union mills to 435,000 in 2024 well do.

E

We know what that jump is we have 160 samanta for 35 was just the timing of.

B

The both doing the flume shaft in and the water yeah, you know you know yeah.

A

Yeah all the work gets done in that time period. That's not the whole budget. You.

B

Have you all the way out it's eight hundred? Ninety thousand is the total.

B

Cost of this project right part part has already been budgeted, as I say, somewhere.

I

Along the way I talked about this project yeah, it's one of those things.

B

And we have an unusual, possibly unique asset in.

B

And we're smil right, but there's a cost to having it. I mean just like that for.

E

Exam, I don't touch, it continue it and it's got more value. That's what and and.

B

You know it's stuff like this, that you know, but sometimes people are talking.

B

About what you just need to choose not to do something once you get down to the.

B

Actual choices, it's often much more difficult than details and you're.

C

Talking to thousands of kids, I mean we're a more tight, but we gotta be.

C

Careful that we don't attract the wrong people in there, you know, and that one.

B

Session, where I was talking about how, when the next recession comes, we won't.

B

Have some of the tools available to us all right and last one? What we're doing.

B

Right now is one of the things I was talking about back in fiscal year, 10.

B

Going through the capital budget was a very different exercise and what we're.

B

Doing today there were more things to look at and say: no we're not gonna. Do that we're not gonna. Do that we're gonna do less of that. The choices are slim now.

B

We're eating ourselves is it possible to adjust the park restoration funds from a.

J

Year, 22 out by some of the mail help bring those numbers down there. You you.

J

Can you have absolute control of what this this would look like it's just just.

B

Acknowledging that it means there are repairs that won't get done, give it.

J

There in the out ears: well, we don't have the money. What's the alternative raise.

J

The taxes yeah as a businessman, I'm gonna, be quite frank about it. This comes.

J

Down to revenue that lack of revenue coming in and as a republican, that's.

J

Conservative, it's hard to talk about the fact that we do need more revenue and.

J

I've seen some projections up there of a potential 1 cent rate increase some.

J

Property tax- those up there order, I'm not openly suggesting it, but somehow.

J

Or another we're gonna have to come up with some more money or just don't keep chopping this to pieces. Well, you're right! The fact is, if we can't come up.

D

With a dish qotsa right now, it looks like we're just.

D

Treading water because the things are cutting our either so little or no one.

D

Was to do it and I don't blame anybody for that. The only other alternative is.

D

To raise rather raise revenue, I'm gonna revenue it raised. If I'm sorry go ahead,.

J

How much revenue gets raised or one cent property tax really 2 point: 1 million.

J

Dollars just off the top of my head sec, close, that's right. The 59th board.

J

And cut the property tax rate by how much she says: 3 cents. So if we had a 1.

J

Cent raise that give us that amount back yeah, but it takes 3 years for that to.

C

Kick in, doesn't it no, it doesn't work like that. No, no, you feel the whole.

B

Impact, I think, that's the elephant in the room yeah. If we're talking about.

D

Increased revenues: to be very frank with you, I wouldn't go with the 1 cent.

D

Increase I restored at act as to what they were before the fifty-ninth board.

D

Took them away which would be 3 cents, that's what I would do if you look in.

D

The paper today, you look at believe it was a city westminster and tony town. I.

D

Could be wrong? We think both of them were in the paper today about their budgets and how they were able to get through their budget without raising.

D

Taxes at all, which is fantastic, but you know what didn't happen to them in the.

D

Past 10 years, david introduced her taxes when they had extra and when have money.

D

Coming in they kept it, they used it and they made it there. You know, there's.

D

Towns, a little nicer a little better with that money, the 59th board reduced.

D

Taxes here by 3 cents, from property tax and something on income tax as well. If.

D

We had not done that. We wouldn't be in this position today. If you're talking.

D

About like mr. rothstein had did earlier, decisions that were made in the past.

D

Affect us now, that's a major decision was made, and now this is where we are.

D

We're cannibalizing the services that we have in carroll county to try to make.

D

This work when- and I knows the republican county and I.

D

I put this out once before, and everybody jumped all over me. It was a lot of fun.

D

But I don't see any, I don't see no solution. I don't.

D

I've been sitting back waiting for these. You know two days to see if someone came.

D

Up and we'll, I suppose that six import.

E

Taxes, the budgets and the towns we're talking six million dollars. I understand.

D

That so it's like apples and cherries sometime, let's continue mangoes and.

A

While I'm not disagreeing with any of that conversation, one way or the other, I.

A

Will tell you that it's not as simple as saying if they would have reduced the.

A

Taxes we'd have a lot of money way off. I know I suspect it between then and now.

A

We just it would have been expensive, ma, you're you're right, it might have been.

D

But I'm looking at that six point: three million dollars right now saying yes,.

I

Ma'am, we would be okay right now if we had the extra money how much but who.

A

Knows what would have happened that it probably wouldn't be here? Because there.

A

Would have been other projects that would have risen to the top right if it could have been spent and we'd still be sitting here going. Okay, where are we.

A

Going next, I think it's just the magic all right.

E

Let's restore yeah you're, not gonna, okay, you know where I am on this. I'm gonna.

A

Get me at all with any of that. As far as I'm concerned, I just kicked.

A

That elephant he ran out the door. We need to keep picking away at this.

J

Thing that just needs to be out of the room.

E

If you mean, is there anything, you can do the enterprise funds to help your dis.

B

Bottom line: that's the answer's! No, but is there anything we can do with the.

E

Enterprise funds budget or are they I statute, those enterprise funds that are.

E

Just no, you have you have a choice. There are pretty strong reasons for most of.

B

Them to stay as enterprise one, yes and, of course, solid waste is actually.

B

Working it, whether it's an enterprise fund or not, is working against you right.

B

Not sure, I'm aware of any any situation where a jurisdiction had water and sewer.

B

As a general fund operation, but even there you know you just had a very.

B

Difficult question a conversation about the rates right there. So again, I don't.

B

See that helping you so the whether they're, an enterprise fund or not an.

B

Enterprise fund, I don't see any any help for you. You know it's one. Go back to.

B

Something efficient or boucher said for a second, you talked about well that.

B

That's in the out-years, maybe things will get better. I would really encourage.

B

It with anything that's built into the plan operating or the capital if you're.

B

Gonna reduce it, you ought to be reducing it with the idea. That's where we intend.

B

To end, unless that's what's going to happen,.

E

The library technology, the libraries are going through renovations, a very large.

E

Equations space, that's specific what I'm saying: there's $100,000 a year set aside.

E

For a library technology and that's not another, that's that's not related to a.

B

Project this is just eve: the ongoing the keeping mentoring death current that was.

C

Put in instead of 400,000 right at one on something I expect which give you so.

C

Much a year right, thank you, sir services operated and that's not nothing.

E

You're saying no, it's yeah they're they're treading water on technology. I.

A

Mean they're doing the best they can, but the makerspace 41.2, in that what we put.

C

Up for that, 600,000 600,000 is that money we just put in or was that holding.

C

Out there so that's already budgeted, I think they're gonna. Oh, I think you're.

C

Gonna, I think they're gonna be able to meet your application. I'm optimistic.

J

Does anyone know anything about these two pavilion replacements one, a tiny run.

J

And won it fair branch, you're 24, oh yeah, I can't say I know a lot about them.

B

Specifically off the top my head, but once they make it here, you know this is.

B

Just part of an ongoing evaluation of what is the condition of our facilities.

B

And when do we expect to replace it then keep keep in mind, though again, this is.

B

Primarily program open space money. So even if you said don't do that project.

B

Wouldn't help you with anything else. This is. This is legislatively restricted.

B

Funding, that's coming in the very near future: roof replacement. We don't want.

J

Replace the roof end emotion, it depends what order you do it. This is the.

J

Government, so that is poor timing on this timing. We have just backwards. It.

C

Should be hopefully a month or two prior, that's another kind of spin off some of.

C

This, so if it's just what it is, 2.9 million dollars budgeted try the.

E

Replacing a roof or bring down the building now, if the third third.

B

Alternative emerges that somebody takes this building from us right and that.

H

Actually freed that would free this up, and this is all cash, because I can.

B

Bond raising of a building right, so so this one could help you. If that happens,.

B

So it's in the process now to come forward to us when we just, I hope they.

C

Get a study back a little bit on what it would actually cost. We know that out.

C

We're know we're gonna move forward yeah, but it will come. Why we're doing our.

H

Budget, one man- I know it's bad time next week richard what that money wasn't in.

E

There nothing, but if we get to the point where we have to do one of those, then we.

B

Have no money available for it and we'd have to find it because well, we could.

A

Could we bond that money in the out here's if we had, he only had the word if.

B

It's a roof right, but if it's, if it's raising the building, no doubt now I mean.

A

Right, I understand I can't bother nothing yeah well right. I that was my.

A

Question on that right, but gave this out of there.

E

Correct it's a if it's sold, then we're not the worry about the demolition.

E

Because the salt, then stairs yeah he's not sold and we have to fix the roof. We.

E

Can bond it to fix the roof in the out-years? Yes, so my recommendation is.

E

That we take that 2.9 million dollars out knowing that, if it's sold, we won't.

E

Have to deal with it and if it needs to be waving, change your terminology, hoping.

E

Is in this case so pointed so, but the point is it's: regardless: if it's sold.

E

And the building is gone if it's they'll be the mall, if the roof has to be.

E

Replaced you can get bonded, the challenge is, we are committing ourselves.

E

To holding onto the building regardless, I said by taking this out right now, but.

E

My recommendation is that we take that 2.9 lay it out. What would it look like.

C

If we do that, you'll have another two point billion dollars, but what here's x.

C

Again, twenty-one right now you make an emotion.

J

Well and now all this see what it looks like first.

B

I'm sorry I didn't realize we have it in multiple years. Wow.

E

Okay, we were yeah. Okay, we were with this. We'd have been saving tour light. Do you.

D

Have any money saved already why I come after 3.2.

E

And this is helping the thumbscrews to jack. This is now putting the thumb.

E

Screws onto jack to get anytime, you have to put faith in good for puzzles.

C

How comes the total project? Cost is 2.9, damn, but then 800 times for two lessons.

A

Okay, just a general thought is you're working your way through these things.

B

You know we're building your plan, we're trying to set you up to not run into.

B

Trouble now there's lots of places where you could say well. That might not happen.

B

And that can be true on anyone right. But when you start depending on a lot of.

B

That might not happens. That's when you're gonna have yeah, but but there's.

B

This is not the only place where we said well, that might not happen, or maybe.

B

It'll get back to get better right and and more than anyone, it's the.

B

Accumulation of those decisions that concerns mayfair and that's from a.

B

Starting point where I've already told you that, probably more times than you.

B

Want to hear you know, our flexibility is significantly reduced from where it once.

B

E

It's being done, actually, you know what or no before it's the final fuck yeah.

C

Get there well that won't help! You work your way through this. Now, though, no but.

C

It least gives us before we get the final budget, where we make sure, like the.

C

Rough, he, but um I'm siding how this all comes together. If we put this in here.

D

Placeholder right, whatever it's supposed to happen before the final budget.

D

Happens and it doesn't come about, then we got to go back and find another. Two.

D

And a half million dollars or two whatever it is 2.4 right, not necessarily.

E

No, no, we wouldn't have to because again it's not. It's not dependent change. The.

C

Last one piece son: it's not depend on just this one deal, whether it's coming.

E

Through or not it's the point is that we're gonna be continuing to work with.

E

Economic development, it's just barcelona's arms a priority. I.

E

Will second, your motion right now, all right.

A

That motion in second to make this a place over and the placeholders keep.

A

I

Thank you, commissioner. Olsteen. Okay, then, are this just one other piece to this.

B

Make sure that you don't forget? I've mentioned this before.

B

Excuse me booth, but if north carroll remains in our hands, we don't have the.

B

Money budgeted in the plan, annual cost of it could sit there and fall apart.

J

Technically, right save the money in demolition a lot if we continue using it.

B

I mean if we didn't have a use for the building itself say we relocate the law.

J

Enforcement training facility to another location that building could literally.

J

Just sit there and fall apart, it's being used for rex's to, although I I would.

H

Argue if we, if we say we're not using the building, then we ought to be taking.

B

It down not very good fall apart great. You can't believe that's why one.

D

That's time sitting yeah all right, we've got dumb. Here's note.

A

Millington we got positions in place for.

A

Reserve positions in place from 22 out right. Actually, you took out four more.

H

Years of it did we took out what before year, did we argue what 25 they're.

C

Already gone yeah, you did that the other day yes way.

J

To 25, oh yeah, that's me with you all right. Take 10 minutes to clear, clear.

A

Your heads please, okay, back at 235. Thank you.

A

Okay and we now return to regularly scheduled programming so yeah, I got some.

D

House first, so right now I good, as I say. Actually I got a call from talking dr.

D

Baugh earlier today, and he said that the carroll community college would be.

D

Willing to try to help out with some of this with some one-time money, what they.

D

Have is they have some additional money that they have in their adult education.

D

Funding of he estimates right now about three hundred thousand dollars if they.

D

Would give us that three hundred thousand dollars out- and we put it into fy 22- that almost balance out that year.

D

Your community college, they are watching our budget deliberations the other day.

D

Realize how tough everything was and ice and they said in their adult education.

D

Fund they could possibly come up with. He hasn't worked out all the details and.

D

Somebody will call you, if you're interested in doing it this, but they.

D

Could possibly come up with $300,000 one-time money to put in for this? It's.

D

Not fun there, it's not from tuition or fees or something like that. This is from.

D

The adult education that we that we do fun, but they also ask don't cut that.

D

Because of the matching funds and everything else that goes along with it,.

D

So we've got we put 80 thousand dollars towards that program yeah, but they need.

D

That money to come in because of the matching funds right, you put that a.

B

Quarter of million dollars- torie, don't eighty thousand is the amount over. What.

B

We required to match to get the grant right now what their, what their ask is.

D

Is that right keep putting the money in that we're putting in, but they had this.

D

Additional money which they will like give us a check for, but don't take out.

D

What we're giving it was fun because we are yes.

A

Caress, oh, take out that okay, hey! I don't think it's what commission refrigerants.

D

I'm not saying take out the eighty thousand. What do you.

E

I'm not saying take out anything, I'm saying that they have additional money.

D

That they're willing to give us they're sitting on a balance right. It's in that.

D

Particular program, so it's just the one time. Yes well, then, why not just do it? I.

D

Don't know how it works about them, getting matching funds, that's why? If.

A

They're giving us the possibility, why couldn't we?

A

Why couldn't we reduce the $80,000 in 21, 20, 21 and 22? Okay, I would say they have.

D

Talked to them about well, I mean I don't want to mess them up because they may.

D

Offer their would help out the county yeah. I understand that, but but it sounds.

A

To me like that would be the way we roll how we lose out. Someone handing us a.

A

Check sure it's, the life of the college is falling off the chair right now, but.

D

They could get paid a call and see if we can work this out. Look don't put it in.

H

Don't put everything right now: okay! Well, my point is: if you did that.

A

What it's still reflecting the same way deb, if you took.

G

If you did in 22 put that money in at one year, yeah like we gave us a gem here.

G

It would be 300,000 of revenue to us. You would have unbudgeted revenue on a.

B

Fund balance you would assign it to to that year right. It's my phone ringing.

J

The whole thing got crashed and then do you find some money greg? Is that way.

A

Your hair, you, like jerry lewis, back there, trying to pull weight, waxes.

D

Microphone, I don't blame you. You want to put that into place holder to head talks.

D

To that I guess I guess it's city college, oh yeah, that's always giving.

D

Away it's too much power. So let me hey well, okay! I don't want to.

A

Take that and try to do something else with it. I guess I was gonna, try to see.

A

If we could what it would do if we took it away for those three years, but it.

A

Doesn't do much, I guess, does it if you take it away? Eighty.

A

Thousand and in 20 21 and 22.

A

I mean I don't know what the point of that, because it doesn't help us with.

A

2000 that should have current fund balance at 3 million right now. Recording.

D

Now that's good money use 80,000 like that, but then sophie parsed it across.

E

All the way we beat not saying I want to do that, I'm just saying what yeah and.

K

Mr. fraser being bug in my ear, at least goodness, is giving us closer. I was just.

A

Curious, where it's not, as you can put it back worse, not as painful that 2.9.

E

Million, which would still give us a fun balance of almost a million bucks.

D

For this year, okay, just so we don't get confused and yeah terminology. We really.

B

Ought to be just talking about. You know what you thought left on the bottom line.

B

That grabs fund balances recurring money, that's a balanced budget and semantics.

E

Matter so make sure I'm using the right words as I'm going through this. But if.

E

We were to do that. Looking at that adjusted operation plan balance across.

E

The board through 2025 it would still give us a current operational plan.

E

Balance of a million dollars in 2020 correct, yes, sir, assuming that that.

B

Revenue shows up.

E

And I know you don't assume, assuming that revenue shows up making that.

D

Assumption right now right, that's still a pretty nice chunk, a million dollars as.

E

A little plant balance starting off compared to where we were.

E

Not saying we shouldn't continue this, this isn't like a stopping when hey we.

E

Got there but it'll get us into a positive number moving forward. I what.

E

Are your thoughts well yeah! You know I've been arguing against continuing.

B

This practice, so that's my starting, so it's a yeah, that's. How does can y'all.

E

But real quick, how much was it done last year? Was it a million dollars? Was it.

E

Tulane was it five? No, what how much from somewhere else yeah I mean so yeah 19. I.

B

Don't remember that probably has it I mean cuz, I'm curious. Was it as big as.

E

This or was it much bigger, because I I don't like that practice either, but it's.

B

Been millions of dollars in some years.

G

Okay, not not counting the one percent that we typically put in right, yeah. It.

B

Was about eight million dollars in nineteen? Okay, so use the eight million.

E

Dollars in nineteen and I'm looking at using two million dollars now, so it's.

E

Still the same type of practice, but it's manually less yeah. Well, you can do it.

B

But I don't think we should buy to take too much of that comparison. You know.

H

It's uh I would look at it. The other way is: if we're gonna do it, we probably went.

B

Too far in nineteen now he tells us.

H

Because also every hundreds last year until he didn't tell us- I guess, oh okay,.

E

Okay, but I mean that is but it's it is in.

E

Your hands I'll take that path. If I want to, and just you know a point that I make.

B

From time to time, just as we go through this conversation, I think it's important.

B

To remind ourselves, the only reason we're having this conversation is.

B

Because we are going to the effort of looking at six years rather than craster.

B

Right right now, if all we were doing is balancing next year's budget, you guys.

B

Would say: oh geez, we can build those positions in, we can do the sheriff's disability, we could do the college increase and we're good, except in fiscal.

B

Year, 21, we wouldn't be good, no, absolutely raising taxes or any other.

E

They're, taking money from people keep in mind justice; everybody that that.

E

Is how everybody else does it? Do I hear flying from the seat of the pants you.

H

Know you're a year, but we have a great system here for looking at this over six.

C

Years, yeah and ted and the group up front keeps up a major trouble in the county, and the county is really good.

C

Financially, I mean we're solid, that's not the issue, it's just. How do we bet.

C

That get this balanced budget balance for six years, but not one six, eight and.

E

A half million dollars for county technology was that, are you looking job.

B

Operating page 55th line down page fifty, fifty eight.

E

Eight points something no one year at a time.

E

Probably okay: okay! Well! Yes, all right discrete projects! This is a little bit.

H

Different than its its funding that's going in every year, so you know adding.

B

Up to six years yeah, you know if it was the state's attorney's headquarters when.

B

You have ongoing ongoing fun, okay, five years for county technology right, I'm.

E

Reading that right, yes, okay, was that pudding in the last year or so where's.

E

That been a trend over many years, that's been 1.3 million dollars. Well, this has.

B

Been funding for many years it has grown some over time.

B

You could spend less here, but you would, you would feel an impact of doing it. I.

B

Don't think anybody would argue that we feel like this is a a comfortable budget.

B

You know we're getting by with the things we need to do. Remember, yep, we're.

I

Tell men, I t you ever talk about your entire operation too much sheriff.

B

State's attorney in the courts right there's a lot we're doing and what we.

B

Generally, find is ties will come up during the year where the commissioners.

B

Will be questioning? Why hasn't something happened or why isn't something.

B

Happening more than we're saying je everything's good, you know, but let's.

B

Talk about something else where it's a constant struggle iron. I.

E

Mean but I'm looking at I technology upgrades like this as.

E

Infrastructure, just like I'm looking at the roads, yes structure, how much it is.

B

That I mean we're looking at putting in place holders for our roads and a.

E

Decrease would it be feasible to look at cut in this. I think it would be harder.

B

To do it here than it would be with with roads. You know if, if parts of our system.

B

It system fail, you know we, we could be brought to a halt.

C

It's just include all the licensing's and fees and it's we're moving.

C

Technology that we're paying each year we're allocating for that's all topic.

H

That's partner, yeah, we're dependent on our computers.

B

Were dependent on our email, our phone system goes over the orion internet. We.

B

Have tremendous amounts of information that are stored in in various places.

B

It'd be hard to tell you with any sense of comfort that we could reduce this.

B

Funding in any noticeable way and not be concerned.

A

23 still, nine and one right right: what did we contribute that, to the other day.

A

When somebody asked the question, why is 23 such a problem.

A

The revenue change because of the reassessment we got in south carroll.

B

This year and the impact on the next time they come around, so you lowered.

H

That we're not worth it right and that's when it hits you. Okay,.

A

The next group to be assessed northeast.

B

Thanks thanks a lot, maybe you leave some of me a lot of you.

B

And you know, and on this point this is one of those spots where it could turn.

B

Out things will be better right, it built in here we have 8.25. We have assumed a.

B

0.25 reassessment for the next south carroll, equaling 5, sorry.

E

Ok, I can't tell you it won't be 9. I can't tell you it won't be 12, but right.

B

Now, with the information we've seen, I don't have any argument to tell you you.

B

Ought to be building your spending based on that to something what we have built.

A

In from northeast 6.25- and that's that's actually true of every other year, other.

B

Than the south carroll, the next south carroll, ok.

E

I think we had a little bit of discussion about fleet management.

E

Capital budget fleet management's eight million dollars that includes all of our.

B

Replacement vehicles, right and and and new purchases, when we have them well.

E

There's another area where it says here for capital purchases: it's like 200, some.

E

1000 every other year, what are you looking 28 bucks, but then yeah we have.

B

Think we have nine nine lifts there, there's pretty much always something is.

B

They literally lifts or extra lives. That's part of the fleet right all set.

E

Oh, that's their workspace! So going back to that operating budget need million.

E

Dollars that goes everything from our sedans to our plows.

E

Yep and fuel- and you know the cost of parts the people who are doing the work.

B

I'm willing to drive in his age six.

B

Pretty sure we have no outies in our, I don't know how many stands. We have work.

E

If things have been, how often they people, what did you look at is a overuse.

E

Or not inside, I dunno. I think that there's really never enough fleet.

A

Vehicles, I believe we have. We have a small pull small pool of vehicles for.

B

That kind of use, and yes, what we're seeing is that demand is greater than.

B

The supply we actually reduced the size of that half a dozen years ago, maybe.

B

Yeah, you know it's as we've been working our way through this last decade. There's.

B

Not a lot that hasn't been been looked at, yeah decisions got made in different ways, but they're you'd be hard-pressed to find.

B

Something and say: did anybody ever think about this.

B

Yeah, it's just almost always going to be. Yes, you know for me a point where some.

E

Of the capital projects that you've been working on over the last four years, that.

E

We can any of them include whether it's the shares and I'm not saying the.

E

Sheriff's, there's there's not very much. Do you have the market street extension.

B

You've got the state's attorney's headquarter building, I mean there's.

B

Really, this capital budget is almost entirely about taking care of what we.

B

Have very little and new initiatives.

A

There are improvements, discipline yeah, I thought, there's buildings that were.

E

Purchasing right there right out here, we have an existing budget for when those.

B

Opportunities come up, we're not there's no new money budget in here. For that.

E

Existing appropriation way budgeting in the past.

B

Yoke's it's what the nature of trying to acquire those properties is. You have to.

B

Be able to act when the chains player right now. I.

E

But in the same breath something like some of these other money's were taken.

E

Away we're sitting on that money, not touching it.

E

It orders that money- not there, there's really not money there. We we had that.

B

Bonded we plan for a little bit of the debt service, the entire appropriation we.

B

Don't plan for the debt service on all of it, because we don't really expect all of it to get used at any one time. You know if an opportunity arises, and yet we.

B

Know how much we might spend that built into the plan yeah I'm gonna see what.

G

Yourself yeah, I think, okay, which is the different answer. You answer your.

B

Question it, there is some millions of dollars, but we're only planning on.

B

$100,000 a year of debt service, so we could back off of something there, but.

B

You're only you know, the only thing you would free up would be a hundred thousand dollars a year on your bottom line, and then that would mean we have.

B

Not planned for anything to have debt service if there was actually a purchase.

B

So if we decide to purchase something, we would then be working out of a hole to.

B

Say where's this money to come from how many? Oh sorry,.

B

Yeah deputy said we only have $100,000 where the bond sales plan and any county.

C

Buildings renovations that we could back out. We have a whole list of them. What.

C

List are you looking at, I don't know. I just.

I

You're in the cip, I'm in the cr thing, you're gonna bring up a one okay. Well, I.

C

I know this is tough subject here, but I just wondered: yes, you can there there's.

B

Nothing that forces your hand to do any any of these things, but it's another one.

H

These things, you know we have the facilities, things age if we have to take.

B

Care of them over time, yeah I mean, but a lot of them are on an automatic.

C

Replacement, aren't we yeah for nothing it's on our neck, replacing well. I mean.

B

We've ever so many years we think no, absolutely not so we can't get another.

C

Year, just I'm not saying we can't get another year, I'm saying we don't do.

C

Anything because we say well, it's been 20 years. So do it.

C

Well, anything that gets in here is because we're saying the time has come.

B

We need to do something and if you talk to the people who are responsible for.

B

Maintaining all these things, I don't think you're gonna, find people saying.

B

You're giving us too much money, we know their problem. The problem is which, which.

B

Problem, do we take care of first? What? What is the most urgent thing? We.

B

Need to deal with so you know back to your regional question. Yes, we can delay.

B

These things, but you can only delay it knowing that you're potentially closer.

B

To something failing- and you happen to just deal with it because now you're.

B

Stuck and and just on that idea of you know automatically doing things on on.

B

Some some timetable. You know it for preventative maintenance. We ought to be.

B

Doing that we probably could find places where we're not keeping up with.

B

Preventative maintenance as much as we want with other things. There is nothing.

B

That gets done just because years have gone by other than people have to renew a license. Once every three years.

B

New coat new codebooks once I revive years or something like that, you know.

B

Replacing a vehicle fixing the roof. None of that happens just because we can't.

B

Afford it, I see one one study in here: this infrastructure study.

E

Are there other studies and we're funding we do from time to time? I don't.

B

Think there's anything underneath thousand total. You know street thousand.

E

A year allocated, they already pulled that out tonight.

I

Maybe not on page 151 of the cip.

B

So, yes, you can take this out. We do find ourselves needing it from time to time.

B

If it came down to it in any one situation, you could always approve doing.

B

It out of the reserve and we have 85 80- there is $85,000 so to take 85,000 out.

E

Plus this well, yes, you could. You could take 85,000 one time at 30,000 a year.

B

Right then, that would put that would that would put us totally dependent on.

B

Going to the reserve comes up or we can leave a fund balance of 30,000 and take.

E

The rest out that 55,000 plus 30,000 a year.

E

That'd be my recommendation at least we're putting something keeping it. You.

E

Know their 30,000 as a placeholder 55,000 of 85,000 now and get rid of this.

E

Study and we need it sometime, we'll pull it out, reserve.

D

I be okay with taking 30,000 now fung going, but the 85,000 it's just. I know.

E

But I thinking there's a reason: it's sitting there if we're going to take out.

D

The future funding for it, we have enough. That's only sin. There's a.

E

Chance we have well, no, the reserve is a safety net. I.

E

Say to leave something in there, but not that was it just built up over time. What.

E

Was the last time was tapped into you, know hasn't been long, it's the one with.

G

The north carroll high school, that was the most recent happened to put a cache.

G

And then, prior to that was the trail development for sure that that was the.

B

Bird deer park deer park does, I think this is not one of those things and and.

B

I'm not making strong argument against doing this, but this isn't one of those.

H

Things where we're they have my piling up or someday this one actually gets you.

B

In it with some regularity, okay, so god so it'll be my recommendation or motion.

E

Ellie start from here at the 30,000, take it out and leave whatever's sitting in.

E

There sitting in there and that's 85,000.

A

You said yeah. What we have to do is study. What is the normal cost.

D

There's no answer time well, because I've been fighting thirty thousand a year for.

D

This, my guess, you think, that's better we're gonna be spending on this.

D

Somewhere around here shelley, because we do know in some years we will accumulate.

B

Money, so I might be 5,000, it might be, 15,000 might be 25,000 yeah it just.

B

Depends on what time, and in some years it will be zero. Ok, what's your number.

A

Thirty thousand we found to make that place overall in favor. It's 180 lobbying.

C

Gary dunya on page 180, northern landfill additional waste.

C

Drop-Off there, this is additional it more so than what we have now right.

C

Right, this is to divide residential and commercial traffic, I'm sure they have a.

C

Reason it's gonna be needed here or some watch, but I was wondering, is now the.

C

Time to build it if we can keep reducing waste, I'm sorry I below that the traffic.

H

Lines aren't gonna go away alright, so I came by saturday afternoon, 140 they're.

C

Clear over the hill op 140 yeah, so this is how much commercial traffic is in the.

A

Air, but I I don't know either wait. Oh yes, the idea is separating the.

B

Traffic first will mean get different kind of traffic, apart from each other.

B

But well maybe speed up how people get through.

E

I agree: we've been our culture's not having it in place now, and that may be a.

E

Good one, you know again, I'm I'm not the expert in this, but it's a additional.

E

Feature of landfill that nobody's used to having seven we're not taking.

C

Anything away we're just not having it we're, not spending it, and this this is. I.

D

Thought it was to move the existing one over oneself. It's built off of that sort.

E

I just I thought I had either heard or read that, but I mean it is. It is to.

B

Create we will have two different problem areas now. Well, however, leads to.

E

What you heard that's $600,000 and, as we've talked about on some other items,.

B

And just as you've pointed out, you're not taking away something they're, not.

B

Doing this makes us no worse off then, and then we are right. So it is an option.

A

Next year already allocated to it was that a engineering study or something.

J

Yeah yeah! Well I don't. I don't know that it was an 18 so sometime before, okay.

B

It's already, but somebody budgeted guy.

E

Yeah was it but remember it was a study or was it actually beginning a.

E

Development of this you said, excuse me, is for engineering fees, it was in, so it.

I

Was to actually get the project, okay and, as I've pointed out on other things, just.

B

Because we've doesn't mean you should spend, this can help us get there.

C

The motion to remove funding worthy this northern landfill additional waste.

E

Drop-Off area for $530,000 fy 22nd that an important new guy just started. You.

C

Steve they can blame him. Would you like to put that money? Because we don't want.

D

To have stopped all help the out-years or we're out of bouncer just keep taking.

D

It away right, but if we put it and take the way so you flex in my 23 or.

D

Something of that sort or to is just want to go from left to right, keep.

E

Bouncing oh yeah, fy 21, 22, 23 24, try back then the biggest.

D

Ones right now, this is it card management. Take the big one. No, no.

E

Honestly, this is where the three of you had an experience in going through this.

E

Budget process, what would your recommendation.

E

Oh I've already weighed in on that. What I'm trying to discourage the continued.

B

Use of money from back here to balance that the plan, it's a choice, you can make.

B

We've made it made it before yeah, but this morning. Well, that would be be added.

A

To this point, put it back, it's sort of the same thing: yeah they're saying you.

A

See put it back in 2020 and take a little bit of it: okay, yeah! Well I mean.

A

We would do it in the past. Well, it would naturally just improve your position in.

B

Fiscal year, 2008 money. What you're talking about that is okay, so we expect.

B

To have money in 20, let's assign it to fiscal year, twenty three and that's and.

H

Mechanically, that's what we'd be doing yeah! It's not like! You can move that.

B

Money in 2020 he doesn't think it over there. Well, we can well. I know it's not.

A

Like there for me, the right way to do it is to put it back in the morning.

A

Yeah exactly and then, if we get down to the where we have to start moving over.

A

And that's where it is cuz you're doing you're taking it out of fy 20.

A

So put it back so put it back in fy, 20 and then ted will be.

J

I don't think we just get nervous now: hey okay, ted, explain to me again and I.

A

Might have missed this the other day, the two million that we have assigned to capital renewal? What's can you can you touch on that again, please, that's! That's!.

B

Not appropriated for anything right now, it's basically sitting on the sidelines.

B

Right, you put any kind of big tag on it. That said, for infrastructure, renewals,.

B

That could be roads or storm drains or roofs, or you know whatever right for.

F

That to get used there would have to be a budget at some point where you said.

B

Okay, we're taking that two million or a million we're putting it in this budget.

B

When you adopt that budget, then somebody can spend it right now. It's waiting for.

B

Some day right, when did we put that in you remember two three years ago, maybe.

B

Okay, so we took we had an extra two mil and we put it into that and the.

A

Anticipation of having to use it on a project that we couldn't find yeah way.

B

It was kind of tied to these bigger conversations. We've had about the whole.

B

Infrastructure- and there was a little bit of a conversation- well gee- we ought.

B

To be doing something, and it was kind of a well- it's not a whole lot. But let's we.

B

Can put 2 million aside and again not encouraging this, but you're not wedded.

E

To that, as a choice, you made a choice. You cannot make.

E

Well, but it gives us that option yeah I've got a little star beside it's just.

A

An idea at the moment I arrived at of why we put it there. I remember it now.

A

Just thinking of that, when I look at it fascinating, I'm like what we do that for.

A

Hand this out what a work work, we're into a situation where we're trying to.

A

Do whatever we can to me, we've got it here. We could, we could throw it back in.

A

And would give us a little extra, but we could take it away, eliminate that fun. I.

C

Know I mean got more: that's a fallback! You you're you get in trouble, yeah. What.

J

If we eliminate the sheriff's office and eldersburg precinct was that bad a play.

J

That would keep you spending five million dollars in this plan late in the.

B

Plan the bigger impact my mind is at beginning in twenty six. If we don't do.

B

That building there's about seven hundred thousand dollars a year of.

B

Operating impact that wouldn't be hitting our planet.

B

What's once that building is there you take on debt service? I think it was.

B

Something about five hundred thousand dollars a year and the operating impact.

B

Of having the facility is now about two hundred and on that.

B

My guess is: we'd find out it's actually to be more than that when we start.

B

Talking about how they really want to staff, it so it'd be a positive to.

J

Illuminate that precinct from what I've understood your essence, I had absolutely.

J

No physical policy.

E

And it's been argued, it has been discussed recommending that even put.

E

Into place- and I was convinced that that was absolutely the right thing to it's-.

E

Kind of like saying, let's take a fire department and take one away to fit.

E

Somewhere else, there are requirements for these increasing to be in certain.

E

Places right now, I believe, talking they are enriched on how they are.

E

Handling their responsibilities because that's not their, and I don't like that.

E

So if I turned up every sink there today, I think I put this to ask for this to go.

C

In last year, part of the budget after I did a ride-along at night, some of the.

C

Deputies and the need and that's the area they increased, absolutely that.

C

District and where it's located next to the library are what we own the property.

C

I think it's going to be critical for future law enforcement and safety of the.

C

County and that's specially that devil bird areas.

C

It's growing husband tendency to gravitate to that area across the.

C

Bridges or whatever letter comes in so you know that's in the out-years, but if.

C

We can I'd like to try to you know we have to keep the county county safe. True.

J

But there's he I know, there's no, it doesn't have to be started. 23 and 24. We.

J

Could remove it from our budget now and it could potentially be started in 25 26.

J

After we revisit next year, because they're still functioning right now,.

J

Protection protecting that community.

E

Right now correct what this allow them to do better.

E

Absolutely types of business growth area, the largest, is new growth unit county.

E

Infrastructure is very important to choose a growth area. That's why I'm very.

E

High on the roads- and you don't want to raise taxes, either don't pay for it.

J

Absolutely not alright, then we have a tough decision here to make a faulty.

J

Respect we're looking at being out of balance and your fiscal year, 23 and 24.

J

And I'm sitting here looking at five million dollars in those two years on.

J

Page 158 of the cap area. Right now the sheriff's department is doing the best.

E

It can, with the resource that I grade, they cannot meet the demands if they.

E

Don't put that precinct simply where's the money coming from from us, but we.

J

Don't have it and we're not willing to raise taxes either. We utter spending.

J

Substantially newsnight we willing I'm saying that this is safety and.

E

Security is a must it's kind of saying that the part of apartment is doing the.

E

Best they can with the resources they have. But if you take away one of those.

E

Fire departments- and they continue do the best they can with what they have.

E

Doesn't mean that it's the right picture there are certain demands that they must.

E

Have in place- and I do believe that say that the fire department, just like our.

E

Police department have certain requirements in order to me right now,.

E

The sheriff's department is doing the best he can, but he doesn't have the.

E

Infrastructure resources appropriate right now and if we're gonna attention.

E

To the disney growth area in the freedom area to where we believe it should go.

E

And we should not be looking at minimizing the sheriff department's.

E

Capabilities- and I could do it- I would do it tomorrow in place.

E

All I'm suggesting is that this, these numbers of 23 and 24 could potentially.

J

Wind up being 25 and 26 the potential postponement of an eldersburg precinct.

J

To the fact that we don't have the revenue now to do so, you bought I'm.

J

Wondering how it impacted if we didn't remove it as a bond debt? What would it.

J

Do to the bottom line I mean I'm all for providing the resources for the.

J

Sheriff's department and the fire departments, but their sad reality is we.

J

Do not have the money and, unless we're willing to raise taxes in some form that.

J

We need to cut the spending somewhere and the capital projects. It's just a sad.

J

Reality we're presently faced with. I wish I could finance all safety security.

C

Is this a magic.

A

All state, well, maybe I don't know I don't think, there's any reason to think.

B

That we would get state funding, I don't think maybe we did get some matching.

A

Bond money for the public safety training center, but we've never. We don't.

B

Have a project- oh okay, so maybe in the out years it may be. I.

A

Wouldn't give to excite you beth yeah, it's not to say we couldn't get a.

B

Legislative bond right thing, yet there's no there's no funding mechanism for.

B

Police stations, you know, there's nothing, we could it's not like. You know the.

I

Library they have a five million dollar pot that they can apply for for money.

B

For a project, there's nothing like that for this kind of facility.

B

The only possibility that I would see would be getting you know, legislative.

B

Bond funding yeah detention center down there. No, I just.

E

Don't wanna put any safety security at risk in any resources, and this is just a.

E

Detail on that project, but you know we do own that piece of property by the.

B

Library, we are not, I don't believe, determined that this would actually work.

B

On that property, it's possible when we go to say you know, what's the design, how.

B

Would this work we find out that that's not going to be fun well, how can we how.

D

Do we come up with that? This amount of money, just in general, this is ballpark.

D

Or the square footage yeah. Basically, that's where we are right now: yes, a.

B

Building of that nature, right as it has a has a you know, a guide you can go by.

A

And say this: this is you know this is $95, just very fluid right. So it's an.

A

Estimate so that could be high could be low. I you know, wasn't a property, I'm not.

A

I'm not any here comes to public safety. Guy now and.

A

He tucked my cape in I'm, not in favor of doing anything with that. At this point,.

A

Wasn't originally bought for the fire department before freedom was built. I.

A

Think it was looked at as well. I don't know I thought that was a bit original.

C

Thought and then he came in freedom, so I could go far far from whatever's built.

A

And they just couldn't, we had a. We had a master plan for the fire to our little.

A

Group that was put together back in the 90s. I think that may have been part of.

A

It I don't that property for a long yea, no idea, but yeah we've had that property.

B

Around original, so as it I'm thinking, we could take out of the employ 24 of that.

D

Up to 219,000 242 out, if you're still leaving the majority that money in there.

D

Oh, we have and you have the money in 23 in there to get everything started. We.

D

Don't exactly know what it's gonna cost we're taking less than a quarter million.

D

Hours out of over five where's, the five million dollar project- I'd rather be.

E

Looking at our county buildings technology and in buildings, renovation.

E

Other libraries, other things I don't want to put any morning, tell me that.

C

What's in that area, two o'clock in the morning and the gross gonna be a lot.

D

More down there, what, if I don't cut anybody off, will be the.

A

Interest in reducing our capital renewal.

A

Come on five million, what million in there at that million? No.

B

Okay, wait yeah. You had a motion and a second on.

B

Eliminating the drop-off, but we never got a vote.

B

I mean a drop-off, it's always yeah. We did not. We did the motion in the second.

I

That one, the landfill right, yeah- okay, all those in favor mine.

A

Hi good! That's why they like the big book by the way. What do you keep my.

E

Twenty okay on reducing this understand, you can do it. I don't think we can think.

B

It's not gonna matter. What? What does that mean? No explain what you're asking.

E

So I know so: we've got: we've got two million in this capital. We're not 100.

A

Justin, being decrease decrease that to a million get our our bottom line up to.

A

Four point: five: nine! Oh okay! I'm sorry! I thought you were saying something.

B

Different you're, talking about that two million we set aside yeah, okay and then.

A

Take whatever we need out of that, you had point five to make the out-years.

A

Balanced- and that leaves us whatever it is 20 and temporarily right now, we're at.

A

Where we need big, I'm just I'm not against it now. Ok, I think I.

F

Think it doesn't cut anything else, no rightly reduces our dad. Your argument.

C

Against he's gonna say the same thing right before and I would not be big on.

A

That either, but it's sitting there, it's it's there for a reason. I understand.

A

That, in case, we get into a jam with, with you know, capital projects somewhere, but.

A

There's to say that a million won't help us right. What does y is 2 million the.

A

Magic finger we arbitrarily took that number and said: okay, we got that, let's.

A

Put it over here, okay! Well, that line to aquino two.

B

Million dollars is nowhere near enough right.

F

Nope, so I'm just saying the idea that we won't there's not a need. That's not.

B

Right where we are so to finish up this equation of yours is now to looking at.

E

That 4.6 million dollars and working to balance out the rest of the out years is.

E

What you're saying yes, so basically it would be taking.

E

About 16 1.6 million, whatever it is correct and still have three million.

A

Point something and if you're gonna do that, there's really no reason to even.

B

Look at that million. You have. You have enough here to accomplish well, actually.

D

If we're gonna do that for another look at the million I'd rather did the two.

D

Main in there it's a really would leave the two million just we can do without.

A

It I understand that, but ii get that.

A

We're gonna leave bring it back. Oh well, like this state that there is a very.

J

Strong potential that our nation's face in a recession within the next two years.

J

That we have been on the longest economic expansion. I believe history of.

J

The united states and in economic terms, we are truly due to see an economic.

J

Downturn- and I will reiterate heads position on this because I think he is.

J

Well aware of it and emphasized that numerous times over to us, we should be.

J

Increasing our strategic reserves, not spending them the bounce or out years.

J

And I think this would be really be a cop out by our board to balance this.

J

Budget not facing reality we're faced with in our near future. The fact that we.

J

Are balanced aren't out ears or now, instead of facing what we have in the.

J

Out years, but we still have the funds, the balance, it's definitely not cut out.

E

I think we've all said talked about the recession and that's not anything new.

E

Either and we've all been saying the exact same thing: the capital renewals.

C

Cash strike discussion, so it just be used and it's there yeah.

E

So you're saying using that to many of it I was there. I was suggesting a.

A

Million of it- and it did not even touch the bottom well, the mayor won't balance.

D

It out yeaji about 1.6, but mice. My thought was.

A

You know right now, there's three point: get it back to what was deb. Take the.

A

Million out felix right, three point laws: three point: five.

A

Wow we thought math, for you know it's. You know. What's going lay on one with.

H

You this so okay, so if it's for for in my in my humble opinion, yeah, it's better.

A

To take at one point, what they don't: okay, whatever.

A

It's better to take one point: six out of the four point: five, it gives you a.

A

Little bit more of a positive bottom line, with a fund that we don't really.

A

Have a designated usage for it's just sitting there.

A

In the event that we need it for something now, you know why, if it argue.

H

That don't dump your savings account. I understand that and I think that would.

A

Be legitimate, but I I'm not sure I can sit here in good faith and continue to.

A

Eat cutting things, but so I agree with you. I think what you're saying now and.

E

Absolutely correct, if I'm wrong is that taking that cash out not putting it in.

E

20, but putting it if we put it along 23, 24 25 bounced out as well. What we're.

E

Doing correct right so so not taking that 1 million.

E

Throwing in 20 and then the next step going 25 we're taking the necessary.

E

Money on that 2 million to bring down now, I'm not suggesting that. No, then I'm.

A

Suggesting only take a million out okay and add it to the 20 right all right.

A

Then you'd have to take one point six out of that four point: five to balance.

A

Our budget and three four and five or same close to the same, oh correct. That's.

E

Not close, okay! Well anyway, he wants to keep in mechanically the million that.

B

Would be coming out of our assigned fund balance, it would actually be cleaner to.

E

Assign it to where you you, you want to go right with the money. That's on the.

E

Bottom line in 20, what we're really saying is we expect that to be left at.

B

The end of 20 and then we're going to in fiscal year 2008 to the at years. Yes,.

A

Okay, then we looked at that money left on the bottom line. You know it's been.

B

Referred to a couple times, as we have the funds to do it, someone remind you all again: all the citizens is a projection of what we have right. It's.

B

Not it's not real money right! Oh! I understand that.

B

Yes, it's yeah, it's real over top of my class is on the paper so taking the.

E

Million applying it to 23 24 that will least get us to where zero.

E

Doubt in it- and that is what you're saying yes, sir, that's trying to undermine your actions here. I see that I was about.

F

Ready to come up out of the chair, I'm like what and flay ting it viral.

A

The interest went the wrong way.

E

You make a motion to do that. I want to see what the numbers look like. First, dad.

E

Well, it's gonna be zero. Oh.

H

We'll try and get the exact count. It's a good thing. I'm not sitting there.

A

Riverside no frasier, I'm just saying yeah.

F

Rest wrestler no rest are arguments johnny I'll, probably last about a minute.

F

Half but I'm all right so what'd you do dad. He took that you took.

B

There's a million dollars that was in the assigned fund balance, most of it.

B

Went into 23 to get using at zero. The remainder went into 24, which got you.

B

Down to 91 thousand okay, so then to get us the rest of the way to.

A

Balance we'd have to take what little bit we need well at least seven, and what.

A

Seven, almost 800,000 no little over out of the sort of what what the.

A

Perspective bottom line is right there, these 2.75 0.77 over his three million.

A

Wait: we've balance story out how'd you do that, oh no cuz! We took it out to run.

A

It over for four and five edie. I don't like that part.

A

Well, I know, but that was that was the method to my madness when I was.

A

Suggesting taking that millionaire, I don't see that together that to get the.

A

Rest of it to balance to get us to zero in the out-years. Eighty thousand- oh I'm.

G

Sorry to be this one time three in my house, hey excuse me me a favor.

A

Excuse me, she tell the folks in the hall and they'll have to stay in the hall. The.

A

Next in the next group is ready to come in they're, starting.

F

Yeah and we're out there they'll have torches dude, it's the it's. The yes yeah.

E

It's the realtors. Well, they can if they want to, but I don't think it. You know.

A

Just tell them we're getting close to being complete. I can have some money.

D

They may come one by the way. Okay, so I didn't make a motion on that. I merely.

A

Wanted to see what it looked like if we did it this way.

E

Which is not the best practice well, and I kind of did it in the mindset, ed I'll.

A

Be the best that it hits 20 minutes to go here: okay, there's a assigned time.

A

That we have is on the interest my interest up. Okay in the interest of just.

F

Letting us how you're our head server the next three days with this and then.

A

Maybe we come back and tweak what was done hybrid but I don't. I don't know it.

A

Was just trying to you know I'll work, a true we all work over the weekend. I want.

A

These numbers again and see what we can find.

A

But in the interest of holding it where it is until tuesday, I would make a.

A

Motion, if you do what was completed here with deb's magic fingers, also know, okay,.

H

I wanna see that in the minutes and again this is a placeholder only our.

A

Mind people know all in favor, aye aye I'll, be the dissenting vote. Okay, no, as.

A

Your think about this, for one ladies got it as you think about this over the.

B

Weekend I know given where we're starting.

B

Getting to zeros, you know, may feel like a victory of sort, but don't lose sight.

B

Of that's still saying we're exactly balanced six years in the future and.

B

There's a lot we don't know. In fact, there are things we know are coming. We just don't know how to quantify them yet and make us feel good.

B

Okay, I'm telling you it does feel like a victory. Well, I mean it keeps it. I.

A

Understand that ted- and I appreciate the fact that you're keeping it real because.

A

There are things that could occur here or will occur. Yes, I could will that will.

A

Make these numbers not work, and I understand that in the in the hopes that.

A

The question that I asked ted five after one about his projections of revenue.

A

Will change as well somebody get a printout of this report.

E

Like me now, for so we never do. We go yep. I really appreciate it. Thank you and.

E

Thank you so much for all the way you're doing, and we also got a vote that I mean.

B

In a note that you did not vote on the one time 300,000 money further, okay did.

E

We plug that in we get in there, so I think I'm afraid you made the motion. I.

E

Think I may have second it yourself for what okay, so what I know it's a.

A

Placeholder honor yeah. I got it all right. It's just play.

D

So he saw as long as it's a placeholder because they actually have to get.

D

Together at it and talk to see how it's gonna work out, but as a placeholder, okay,.

D

I move that the additional money coming from carroll community college into our.

D

Fund at $300,000 we put up on the, I guess you on screen is suppose over for.

E

Which year for f 23, fy 22 may 22 are much my chip? Second, okay, all those paper.

A

And before I wrote this gavel down, how did anybody I also wanted to.

A

Remind everyone and add you and I discuss this half over the last couple.

A

Days about the fact that we had quite a few folks that came in here asking for.

A

Additional funding brightest and we have done virtually nothing. We have done.

J

Nothing unfortunately, we've got nothing in real life.

A

Still nothing right in reference to those requests so think about that too.

C

But everybody has their this budget, how he has money built in for additional or.

C

3%, basically above where they were, this is.

C

A above that know exactly don't fucking like positions that you asked for.

C

Oh okay, additional positions, no yeah, no new positions.

B

Yeah and I've technology you understand, most of your agencies are not seeing.

B

Three percent increases in anything other than their their salary right and.

B

On the idea of doing other things again with this picture right now, even though.

B

There's money on the bottom line: 20 right, you have no ability to add any.

B

Ongoing cost right right right. I got that or at least for what we do for 2021.

E

And then it stops. Oh yeah, there is some like technology, software solutions that.

E

Were proposed to us for one time: oh yeah, if you want to do one thing so there.

B

Were none? There are one time plus that could be yes yeah. My point was just it.

B

Was only on guy lost, I got you unless we moved here from.

E

Yeah, we think we do some one-time things, but you may not okay, so leave it at that.

A

I would assume we're scheduled back in here on tuesday.

A

Ladies help me out someone thursday, I'm sorry thirsty. I thought we had tuesday.

I

Thursday, from 1:00 to 4:00 yeah, we have no session on tuesday yep.

A

Oh yeah you're right, we don't okay. Well, then it gives you additional.

A

Time to do additional homework on these numbers yeah. Thank you because I was.

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Thinking, okay, so let's just rewind the amount of work sessions that we have.

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Left for this, you guys got the schedule in front of you so that I don't have to.

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Look somebody somebody give us batteries. You've got thursday, the 18th from 1:00.

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To 4:00 monday, the 22nd, oh no tuesday, the 23rd from 9:00 to 12:00 and 1:00 to.

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4:00 and I think that's it, okay, all right, so we've got a day and a half yeah.

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Look at these and as I as we said last year too, you might want to just keep.

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Your eye on your agendas, because, I think remind me dennis or dick, we threw an.

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Extra session in on them one a day because yeah before I don't know if.

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There's laughs we have before right in so just you know, we may need to do that.

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But we have money in those years. That's okay! If you're thinking lead you to.

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Questions or wondering about something, just let us let us know we'll try and.

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Get you the relevant information? Okay, all right.

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Technically, I think I've got a recess till 4:00 because that's on our open.

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Agenda there's the poster contest for the realtors association. There's that.

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Now we're gonna stay here: okay, so I'll entertain a motion to recess until 4:00.

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And then, after the poster thing I'll make sure that we get whoever you're a.

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Motion to adjourn after that, just to keep it on the up and up here.

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Okay, all right all these in favor aye, a recess till.

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uh Swami good we're back. That's it we're okay, we're back in session, and it's my.

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Honor this afternoon, to introduce the president of the realtors mark fisher.

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The money plotted for me: okay, some people just get mad if you're, not if.

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You're taller than then that's all it's just anyway, like they welcome you all.

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Here today, it's a great occasion we're celebrating fair housing month and.

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You know I'd like to thank you all for participating, especially the students.

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Who participated and I'd like to thank our equal opportunity committee.

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Chairperson denise merson and today's photographer owen from our staff and we.

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Also have our executive director with us today we have another realtor in the.

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Back thanks for being here and I'd like to thank the commissioners for their.

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Participation in today's celebration and for declaring april 1st april as fair.

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Housing month in carroll county I'd like to introduce our commissioners, you have.

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Commissioner, rothstein.

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Commissioner wins mr. frasier.

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Commissioner, boucher and commissioner weber sends his regards.

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Now the applause sounds canned. I don't know um I'd like to ask the president of.

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The carroll county commissioners steve wynn's to read the proclamation, so we do.

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Have a proclamation we do this every year, but I'm going to turn this duty.

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Over to firt the the vice president of the board of commissioners, colonel ed.

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Rothstein and let him do the honors, I usually don't get nervous, except when.

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They're really small, just say it is a great opportunity to give this.

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Proclamation the fair housing month, whereas april 11 2019 marks the 51st.

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Anniversary of the passage of the fair housing act which enunciates our.

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National policy of fair housing for all who live in the united states and.

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Whereas the fair housing act prohibits discrimination based on race, color,.

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Religion, sex handicap, familial status and national origin and whereas the.

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Economic stability, community, health and human relations and all communities are.

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Improved by diversity and integrity, integration and whereas fair housing is.

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Integral to the ethical commitment of members of the carroll county.

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Association of realtors and is critical to the ability of all real estate.

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Professionals to serve their clients, customers and communities and whereas.

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Acts of housing, discrimination and barriers to equal housing opportunity.

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Are repugnant to a common sense of decency and fairness? Now, therefore, we.

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The board of county commissioners of carroll county maryland through here.

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Probably proclaim april 2019 as fair housing month. Congratulations.

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Thank steve, its nicest thing you ever said to me.

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This year's theme was one america housing for all because of the diverse.

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Rage and angel ages emphasis was focused first on how the theme was depicted not.

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Necessarily the quality of the artwork. This year, we have a total of nine.

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Participants all from one school eldersburg elementary, whose district is.

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That we're happy to amy schlegel from eldersburg elementary.

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Is able to join us today and we thank you for encouraging your students to.

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Participate at this time, we'll recognize our honorable mention winners. First, who.

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Will be called up to receive a certificate of recognition, along with a.

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Copy of their poster and a gift bag. When I call your name, please come to the.

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Mary jane gibson, alexa, cold blue, is alexa here.

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Here at gwynn looks like a cartoon.

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Excellent man, your name, get mark name on this one again, alexa.

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Okay, next now, to you, you sure, yeah, okay,.

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Jordan, anaya zebras is jordan here, no okay.

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Gu jamie sue is he here, no okay and shivani.

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She boonie and did we miss any honorable, mentions okay.

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You will now recognize our first second and third place winners. These students.

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Will receive a certificate, a copy of their poster on a plaque, a gift card and.

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A goodie bag once you receive your items, please have your picture taken with our.

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Commissioners, highlight of the day.

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Starting with carroll county realtors third place winner, we ask that mara, larry mcclendon, please come to the front.

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Congratulations next we'd like to have second place winner, lea wilson, come to.

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Now, for our grand champion, we're now proud to ask our carroll county realtors.

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First-Place winner broke katherine, filthy.

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Yeah wait: wait wait every year, our first second and third place winning posters.

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Are sent on to maryland realtors to be entered in the contest on the state.

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Level we're excited to announce and congratulate brooke, katherine fealty, on.

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Having her poster selected at the state level, her poster will appear in the 2019.

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Maryland realtors, fair housing brochure- that's mrs. heiner has a copy of the.

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Brochure here and we have from last year- and we have other ones available for the.

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So we have some extras here if you'd like to take one and on behalf of.

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Carroll county realtors: we want to thank everyone for coming and hope that mr.

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Rothstein's hand gets broken when he knows that again, it's okay, we all know.

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Each other it's considered together on behalf of carroll county realtors, want.

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To thank everyone for coming hope. You encourage your children if.

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Eligible to participate in next year's poster contest. At this time, we'd like to.

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Take a group photo of all the students present teachers cc our attendees here.

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In the front of the room with the county commissioners,.

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You don't you got you good, have a wonderful day. Okay! Thank you. All.

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Very much we appreciate it on behalf of all of us in county government. Thank you.

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For being a part of this talk to your friends next year, let's get everybody.

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Involved, I need a motion to adjourn second, but oh, we got wait. A minute hold.

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Up bring back that motion: okay, okay, yeah, come on up.

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So mark, could you have who do you have you want to do this official gu jamie's.

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How do you say your name dear co, good, okay,.

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All right very good: we get another big group, everybody who was up for the other.

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Big group photo: please come back up.

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Thank we'll take a new group photos, everyone who is up here earlier for the.

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Big group photo: please come back up.

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Good. Thank you all very much safe travels. Thank you.