Carroll County, MD FY 20 Carroll County Government Budget Process, 18 Apr 2019

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From YouTube: FY20 Proposed Budget Work Session~ Afternoon of April 18, 2019

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We are back, I want to again real quick thank commissioner rothstein and.

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Commissioner weaver for going out to the drug and violence expo, I spent an hour.

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Out there over lunch and accompany the executive director of the governor's.

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Office of crime control and prevention, glen houston around and talked with a.

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Lot of folks there too, so there was a great great event. You two were right and.

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Kind of a little bit of a downtime when I was there for a little while, but then.

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The buses arrived and and look out so I want to give a shout out to all of the.

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Folks, joe tabling, is the chairman of that and certainly to the chamber and.

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All the great things that they're providing out there for young people so.

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With that said, here we are seems, like we just said, we'll see you on tuesday and.

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Now it's or see on thursday and now it's thursday, so here we are so you have some.

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Updates ted or where we are progress reports I take yeah turn it over to you.

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I watched the last session. Not one thing struck me: there were multiple charges.

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Various commissioner is saying things like well: if things get better, we can.

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Put that back or revenue goes out, we'll be able to fill in the blank. And yes as.

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We've talked to me certainly there's a possibility that revenue.

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Be better, I would just really encourage you if you think about the decisions.

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Were making if we're taking something away from fiscal year? Twenty three we.

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Ought to be doing it, believing that that's where it's going to be not.

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Thinking that, well that's what we're saying today: it's not really gonna work.

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Out that way on solid ways, they just wanted to tell you kind of where we are.

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Now, early earlier in the process, I told you that you know decisions have been.

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Made to reduce what we're transferring increase, what we're burying keep the.

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General fund transfer going there to allow the fund to build up some cash.

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Toward what we might do next- and I told you that that wasn't working out the way.

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It was anticipated because of increased cost of lead change from this rainy year.

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And because of the change from making money on recycling to pay money for.

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Recycling, one of the actions you've taken so far would be to pull out that.

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Drop-Off capital project at the landfill and we reduce the general fund transfer.

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To south waste by the amounts that project, where that will lead them now, is.

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About two hundred thousand dollars a head going that money we're trying to.

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Accumulate what they're gonna be humilate will be two hundred thousand dollars. We have been talking about some expectation of something in excess of.

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Them they'd be aware that that image has changed.

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Okay, so I just said that wrong: okay, we have a transfer of 1.2 million dollars.

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Going into solid waste in the recommended budget that was set by the.

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Commissioners of the prior board of commissioners, but their revenue and.

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Excess with the recommended budget, because of these other additional costs.

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Is 200,000 so if we take, if we reduce the transfer to solve ways from 1.2 to.

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600,000, it's actually going to have the fun will be in a negative position, so in.

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Order for the operating for that you, pork, fy 20, so we would have to use.

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400,000 of their fun balance in order to balance so $600,000 for the new drop-off.

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Area was coming from near enterprise fund. It wasn't coming from capital.

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That's correct: it was coming from there and I have to say this past weekend or.

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Whatever it was, I was out at their landfill, I'm dropping off, styrofoam and stuff cos. Try to be a good citizen. You know.

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Plastic bags, so keep that in mind here what a map you drive it off and and mr.

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Amos, I guess, he's in charge. The landfill sees me dives on me. Like a hawk, no comes over tasha says you guys should come out here.

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And come around outside got time right now parked my car. He drove all around.

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Landfill what he was showing me: what they're looking for they're, not actually.

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Looking for an additional drop off place, the place where the people come, every.

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Day to drop off of them from the home, so there's four dumpsters there on a.

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Saturday, if I go, if I remember correctly, they dump those dumpsters eight times.

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All for them eight times on saturday, what they want to do is move it. Father.

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That place father down and put more dumpsters in there. So more people can.

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Get in and quickly the like and go a little faster and they won't have to.

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Dump it as as many times everybody kept saying, which makes sense if, if we were.

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Out there we knew what was going on. We might have a different view of what's.

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Happening there and I would have to agree, but I'm just pointing it out to.

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You they, and especially now it I thought that was coming out of capital, but since.

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Knock out coming out, capital is coming out of the enterprise fund. It says one.

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Of my check marks here to discuss the second time about the things that we.

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Take money from yeah when we say it's coming from the enterprise: fine, but.

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Don't lose, though, that we're still making a big transfer from a general.

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Fund to the enterprise fund, so now, if we're talking about water and sewer, we.

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Just made we said, we're gonna, take it out of that. It would be a little bit.

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Different than what's happening here and then and you have a new packet with the.

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Other sheet on it, you have all the decisions that have been made so far.

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I just want to revisit the bottom line now, which about three-quarters of the.

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Way down the page, we have about 2.8 million dollars sitting on the bottom.

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Line in fiscal year, twenty nine hundred thousand and twenty one and then the.

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Rest of it is balanced in the end way we got here was making use of some.

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Unassigned fund balance and then not using as much unassigned fund balance in.

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20 as we were planning before, we started this process, reducing this bottom line.

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And taking that and putting in later years to balance so our last moves were.

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You know kind of this using one-time money to make the last steps again and.

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Of course, you know this puts us at balanced that there are still things.

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That some of you want to talk about in terms of spending more money. You want.

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Something we still have no capacity here for taking on any additional ongoing.

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Villagers one question: how many where's nan county residents are dumping at the.

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Landfill that would have been good, but we have no restriction on that. President.

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Whoa they're not supposed to be bringing trash from other jurisdictions, but we.

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Don't have any, but they don't show anything. They just go ahead and right.

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But the fact I mean I was told by mr amos out there if they suspect like if.

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He had a place at a state license plate or something don't asking for an id and.

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They might send them away other than that. There's nothing, but they also. He.

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Also pointed out, because I did mention that to him that everyone had dumps in.

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Their pace, it's not free to dump there, they pay for whatever the fee is so and.

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My understanding, I could be wrong but, as I didn't ask him at that time, but our.

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Tipping fee is higher than what it cost us to process or bury whatever the trash.

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Is is that right well, hardly to transfer okay, there's no monetary cost for the.

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Parents for barry okay, so why I mean I would I think it's a good idea to limit.

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That landfill to just carroll county residents, because it would extend the.

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Life of the landfill, but if we're not limiting it to carroll county residents,.

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Every time the trash goes in there, they actually make some additional.

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Revenue, so we've got look at both sides of that they don't pay for recycling.

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Though right and people can bring racing, just they can for that, but see, but the.

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Recycling, there's no one, you just drive right in you, don't have to go across the.

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Scale for that right, just point it out yeah! No, I.

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Have ya plan in place to be able to check with everything more burying now.

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Is decreasing outlay for the landfill and or endo hauling out right, which, on.

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The backside comes back to and I think, there's a one practical problem for them.

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Is just we know that we already have lines back, they end up there.

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However long it would take to, you know, prove your address, they would just make.

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Things that much worse driver's license yeah. But you know, even if it's 30.

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Seconds per car, you know it's still gonna, it's gonna add up yeah, I'm not.

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Saying that that that's reason not to do it right, there would be a consequence.

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Right, yeah, that's a very small consequence. I heard that same argument.

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When they decided to put the thing in place up here in the lobby, so I don't.

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Align to line showing a driver's license exactly a minute or less yeah. We had.

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Talked about that before and I think they were gonna come with us with a proposed plan to do that. But I was right: yeah staff will be coming to you with.

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Various suggestions on ways to economize at the landfill but with the loss of our.

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Prior bureau chief and the addition of a new bureau chief just ten days ago, two.

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Weeks ago, something like that we're just giving the gentleman a little time to.

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Get on board and you're up to speed, so yeah timings, not perfect as a result of that because of the budget, I just assumed.

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Since he went to loyola to teach that he'd be on board right now, and I guess.

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It takes a long they're, not the same since you, okay, but I do agree with you.

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I'm not concerned about lines, I mean people are doing incentives.

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Inconvenience it's a little bit of a incan inconvenience you're. Still the.

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Internet for doing it right and that's if we have to show I say user licenses.

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So as a result of this conversation not about the id show, but the taking.

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Out of the capital, you want to just cut to the chase on what that means. Real.

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Quick again, because I'm a little bit confused so you're, suggesting that we.

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Put it back in well, but then you're saying that it didn't come out of.

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Capital, it came out of an enterprise, but yet we take it out general to support.

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Enterprise, so um I'm not where I need to be right now, so I need. I need a little.

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Bit more explanation: okay, it comes out the enterprise fund, but a big part of.

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Their funding is coming from the general fund, so it's not like we can say, oh that.

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Doesn't matter to the to the general fund and in fact you used it to make.

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Your general fund position alright, so if we would change our minds on this.

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Particularly this particular line- I don't know, then that would certainly.

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That was the backbone and effect or bottom line, because we have to put we.

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Physically, take that to us at 600,000 is that what it was yeah and put it back.

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Mm-Hmm, that's a one-time expenditure. Now we still give us 2.1 something unless.

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Years bottom line: okay, yes, okay! I like it.

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All right well, are you: are you suggesting that you'd like to do that or.

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Well, I want to make a well, I think number or what do you want to hear put.

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It up there for discussion, we can think about it. You have to make a decision right now: okay, there's the four 506 ahead that well.

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Right, yeah, okay, I don't know which one is the top priority. So all right, I just.

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Say let's do this one and cut the other one short: let's all of us make a note on.

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That particular item and we'll come back and visit that before we that's before.

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We get to the end of the line here so and thank you for pointing that out. I.

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Try not to go out there on saturday actually was. It was wasn't, sir. I can't.

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Remember with it was it wasn't crowded, so those guys yeah. I try to go on a.

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Weekday because I've been there on a saturday, okay, all right, yeah, anything.

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Else, ted bottom bottom line is what it is right now correct and then just reminder we have today, tuesday morning, tuesday.

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Afternoon, that's the end of the time that you have slotted, okay,.

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Well, it's a run ahead of schedule. What you're saying all right dick dick behalf.

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Of some wait, a minute dick you have something go ahead, do it? Okay? I won't.

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Bring up a topic that again is going to kind of cause a bit of a rock in the.

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Pond it's one of these things, putting our money where our mouth is and.

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Committing to what we're we're our priorities lie and we've made a decision.

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To take some funds out of nine carol- and I've been saying this for ever since we.

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Made that decision every day and I'm not sure what the solution is in dealing.

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With this, but I really believe it has to be all hands on deck, and you know if I.

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Could take all of this money and everything towards a non carol approach.

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I would do it, I mean, as I've mentioned, I'm against lawsuits and we decided to.

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Go with a lawsuit, I mean, I you know, is it education.

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The deterrence is, if you know the laws, I'm not sure, but I think we are sending.

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The wrong message: if we're willing to take anything away from an initiative.

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That we started we as a county as a community started, and I rather not.

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Exhaust that so I mean my recommendation is that we zero that back out put it.

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Back in the nine carroll and take a harder look at other things that we need.

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To to adjust, but I I just think it's the wrong message and messaging is really.

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Important so I would agree with you. I do have a question on that. As we just said.

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When you guys were gone, we had a question about the nine carroll $300,000.

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I thought that was flat funding, but here it appears to be a three percent.

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Increase each year or two percent, but is that what it is is I thought we had.

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Voted over a thousand flat budget sessions, I don't believe it was.

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Specified whether it was flat or okay, riley, so yeah, I would like to make a.

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Motion to zero that out into nine carroll again for all the right reasons,.

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I got a question on that: don't wait a minute yeah! We got a motion. Okay,.

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I'll second, it obviously because I was opposed to it before, but I do have some.

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Questions but dick go ahead. Okay, so we reduce fifty thousand here and we took.

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Out of it right so, instead of three hundred two fifty.

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All right right now, it's two hundred eighty two, fifty we didn't have requests.

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For all that money, until we almost solicited you use it correct, I think.

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Part of the reason I mean cut off our visa fast because we gave it to him kind.

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Of in the middle of a thick, a cycle they had look, they had look at things had to.

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Get some things in motion, so you too gotten handout from today yeah. We have.

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It we're explaining the knot carol, funding mm-hmm. I don't know that that's.

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Entirely true, I think they attempted to use it as they could well a lot of it.

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Had a lot of it gets run through the senior opioid policy group. Those.

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Decisions so well there's sort of a delay because it's our money and they.

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Always sort of looked at me and said: would you be okay with that? I never make.

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Those decisions- I always bring them back to here, so there was a little a a little.

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Bit there, but I don't know that you could okay, you could label it as waiting.

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To the last minute to spend well, it was assuming like a lot of it, came late in.

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The year, that's why I was asking you out: yeah. Okay! Well, remember! You know this.

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Got put in near the end of last year's process right, it was not funding in.

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Reaction to a request, it was the commissioner saying we want.

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To make me one available, so there was no plan in place. People had to react to.

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Okay, we have someone hooked on. What's the best way to use this, and I'm not.

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Opposed to the idea totally, but I think if we leave it where it is and then look.

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At this okay, as we get hopefully some funding, if things do come back, income.

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Tax or whatever, that this is the first thing that gets restored yeah, he just.

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Told you I know, I know that knock it off weaver, but in order to get through a.

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Balanced budget right, I agree and bring it in. You know.

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At that point is one of them of our priorities and you have a good point. I'm.

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Not arguing with you matt, it's very hard, not to that's about messaging and if we.

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Are committed with a vision of our community, our county, to safeguard our.

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County the best we can, I mean, I believe, safety security, the schools and, for me.

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The infrastructure, economic oils and development- I am I'm going back on my.

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Word, this has nothing to do with politics or constituents or anything.

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Like that, this has to do with identifying a problem and putting as.

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Many resources against the problem as we can and we committed to doing that.

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Before I came on to this board- and I believe we need to continue to use.

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And be the wrong message if we take anything away at this point, so so a.

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Couple procedural questions here: deb did this reflect that 2% that you said that.

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It was growing over the five yea failures, so if you reduce it by 50,000.

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It's showing about 50,000 growing, two percent right; okay, so that's! Okay! All.

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Right, the reason we have it growing is if this is gonna, be continued funding.

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There's no reason to think that the cost of whatever we're gonna do are gonna.

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Stay exactly well to that end, you know, I would say, would it help if we just made.

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The decision to flat funded without an increase for the next six years and put.

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300 in there- and you know remembering now, of course, that this is money that is.

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Used for miscellaneous projects that is deemed to be appropriate by the group.

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The policy seniors a good policy group so and you saw the list of what they.

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Provided today and what they have done with that, so I don't want to lose the.

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Fact that we as a previous but the previous board dennis and dick you both.

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Know this we put me the deal of money and I don't know what the figures are.

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I'm not gonna get. You know, jammed up with saying something that somebody's.

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Gonna send a nasty email said: well, that's right.

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We put money in, and various things have happened over the previous years as a.

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Result of us putting the money and whether it be the state's attorney's.

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Office who utilize the money or the sheriff department, so whatever the.

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Figures were, and whatever was used, we've done that. So this is just a small part.

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But yet it's an important part because it allows for that ability to pick up.

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Some of those miscellaneous things that we don't have money for in other places.

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Yeah go ahead, whatever amounts of money you end up putting here. Another thing.

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You probably should be thinking about it's just programmatically. How do you want this to work, and this would be connected to the discussion this morning?

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Do you want to keep this as money that's available every year to fund one-time.

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Efforts of some sort, or is some of this money going to go to ongoing programs.

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Right now, I would like to think that the fcc you know y'all got that acronym.

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Because we are, we deal with acronym solved on the opioid operational command.

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Center will come up with some funding as well to help us with this. Maybe, but what.

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If we just left it flat and free without it growing that 2%, what's that do to the.

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Bottom line, putting that 50 back.

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Well, the growing part won't change it very much. Does it's gonna be 50,000 and.

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Some change right lay us here, fool empty dead. I saw something right once I really.

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Liked it said had three pictures: some people see the glass half empty, some.

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People see the glass half full. This is the part I liked, but some people don't.

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Notice that the glass is about to fall off the table permission to use that.

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Sure, thank you.

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Okay: okay! Yes, okay! So you okay, so go down yeah! I want to see what yes ma'am.

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Okay: okay, now we need an imax screen.

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Okay, so that puts us back into where we are a little bit right with those lovely.

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Little parentheses around our nose: okay,.

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All right: well, we've got a motion in second to make that placeholder I mean.

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We can do that if that, and it will work from there to see what we can do so I'm.

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Gonna roll I'm gonna roll with that decision. All in favor aye opposed all.

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Right all right, okay, so it's three to two.

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No, no I'm saying, oh, I not nay, oh okay, come on. We were the commissioner boucher.

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Was that a how frances? Because I believe that singer said he could survive with.

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The quarter a million this morning, unless I heard him incorrectly, okay, four.

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To one right now well, for this coming year he said he could, if he doesn't have.

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Anything else to it, but I also asked about sources of strength where they.

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Wanted additional funny, I don't know, we've heard back from them about that or.

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Not I'm yeah and maybe I misunderstood what he said.

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Either way you passed it here right now, it's being held that nothing's final. I.

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Get okay impression all right what about if we held it at 300 for two years and.

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Then once a 250 kim you want it all or not, though, but my point yeah okay about.

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Sending a message and you're talking about not cutting from a very critical.

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Area exactly okay, hey I mean this has nothing. I mean this.

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Is all about messaging right now, and that is you know if it was 10 bucks over.

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This 50,000- I am not gonna, sit here and just try to take away a message that we.

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Committed, or at least I committed to serving towards no all right so with.

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That being said, there's where we are so now all right well go ahead. I was in the.

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Wreck in a wreck and culture, land acquisition is that something that would.

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You touch yeah, it's broken open space funding. Well so I.

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Mean 2.4 million land acquisition that money is not available for any other use.

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It's it's legislatively dedicated program, open space funding and that.

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Actually won't be used anyway, unless an opportunity comes to acquire land that.

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You actually want to act on so we're just we're recognizing there that that.

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Money is available to us. We can only use it for open space only for land.

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Acquisition that qualifies on your burglars face and only for land.

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Acquisition, yes, and actually it's it's not relevant to your question, but.

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Probably good for you to know you know, we've we've tried to argue this that our.

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Need is not to acquire more land. Our need is to develop the land that we have.

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But the the state is pretty adamant. That's that's for land acquisition.

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Period so I appreciate that argument has that been continuous and misses an.

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Annual argument is it to a point where we asked it 5 10 years ago, and the.

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Answer is it. It's been talked about even in recent months. Ok, good.

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Okay, I appreciate that because that, because I agree with you yeah I same.

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Here as we we had, we had. I had mine silver on union mills, advisory council.

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Meeting thursday night and we had the floor plans for the new charles carroll.

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Community center in front of us were at about 2.6 available to us, but that's not.

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Including the architectural fees- and we right now have a gym without bleachers.

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Because we can't afford the bleachers, can you get the architectural fees.

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That'll buy a bench probably online, so struggling up there too, and I remain I.

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Remain what about a community matching fund to support those dick the community.

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Up there is is struggling to hang on as it is in those rural villages. So, and we.

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Did that's a state delegation for additional funding, for that? That's our fault! Well, no, the way that it went down was I.

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Had staff work on because we I had pushed to put some money into the.

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Governor's budget for that project, so it wasn't a bomb. Okay, it was put in right.

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For queuing, wiping up the houses or a governor's budget, and it got sliced and.

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Diced, what a bleachers cost, I think see. The problem here is: we've we've shrunk.

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The building now, as a result of not having bleachers so we'd, have to push.

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The building out about about 15 15 feet- and we were talking about portable.

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Bleachers but there's no place to store them, but we're looking to have another.

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250,000, which was in the governor's budget, would have been where we need to.

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Be up there, but even if I had the money for bleachers right now, no was separate.

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We're calling off on a tangent here, but don't spank the building, because then.

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That you'll never have the bleachers in there. Well, it's not meeting the budget, even without the bleachers now can they read you the look of the building.

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Community they've done almost everything that they could possibly do. Then you.

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Have to remember how this one played out to you know. The commissioner was.

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Centered on an amount of money they were going to put into this project a project.

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Was designed to that and it's it's not a masonry building either, because that.

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Would not be affordable within the budget that you gave them mm-hmm yeah. We.

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Put what was it 3.2 or something these guys remember? I don't.

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Was it three my head, 3.5 3.5, so what you had blin you've got you okay, so that.

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Included everything so we spent, I don't know 350 on raising, I believe and then.

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There's site working and interest architectural fees anyway, and we still.

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Have the road question hanging out there and the road weston, which could put a.

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Complete halt on the whole project because state highway is asking for. We.

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So so another 250 or 300 thousand what it would have gotten us to where we need.

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To be, which is why I'm, you know, I'm not gonna get into this political talk and.

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Try to back off of that, there were other things that were achieved: money-wise and.

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It's got a cut yeah the building without the bleachers.

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Couldn't be done, which is bright, she'd have it hasn't been bed out, yeah how's.

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It now they're still working on it, architects, when you get a bit in and do.

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Everything massage was, I agree with you, don't downsize because you don't have.

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Bleachers but they've actually find a way to find affordable or some kind of.

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Bleachers can go in there until you can fundraise or come up with the money to.

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And what the problem is like this they've shrunk, the building now, because.

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There's no good leaders so push the building. Baghdad were about 250 short.

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Without bleachers, so it's got to be the bid process. Somebody so there's there's.

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Hope at the end of the tunnel, yet because I'm I'm gonna go after money.

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Again next year you know, I said the state level, but apparently it's a low.

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Prior yeah, but if we had the money to put it.

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Into that would that be moving forward now, if we had that extra 250,000, because.

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I mean looking at the community up, there took to school down, it was there. We said.

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We would do something for them. This is what we came up with right. We put the.

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Money aside, apparently it's not quite enough, but it's being slowed down more.

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Because of the road construction or because we're building, if we had no.

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250,000, can we can we move it forward because I would like to see it move.

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Forward, it's still moving forward. Nothing has stopped as it's supposed to.

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Them to the grand time scheme of where we're trying to get to that's joe, the.

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Conceptual drawings are being done by the architect site work in some capacity.

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Is being done, stormwater management, it's already looking at their thing, so the.

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Work, yes, the answer your question is: it has not stopped. Okay, good.

D

Is that I mean I just throw it out there we get the route birthday. I was willing.

D

To take the money from the turf field, put it up there, because I think they.

B

Deserve it? Okay, you wouldn't be able to do that though it's doing it's a.

J

Different thing: oh okay, I'm sorry which okay, not the other money. I know we can't.

D

Do anything with that? Okay and that's another one, there's questions. That's.

B

Hanging out there yeah we're gonna do about that field. But if you move that.

B

Money then certainly the state is going to say they want their 200,000. Well, not.

B

They haven't given it to us, but they're, not gonna, send us a 200,000 and on on.

B

Your question about the project moving moving ahead. You know the work is: is.

B

Moving ahead, but we eventually are gonna run into this question of. Are we willing.

B

To fund the state road improvements well or or get the state to fund it, I mean.

H

Continue to work with the state convincing them with the right argument,.

H

That they are to fund part of that. You know.

H

Development of apparently I don't let that's what I want to do. Yeah the last.

A

Thing I did at if you remember, was I asked them a question as to whether or not we could face their requests in overtime and they went right so that.

A

Maybe it opens that door where I'm going to be continuing going through, because.

H

This community center is a priority for the county and we said it was, and we.

E

Said put some pressure on the state to help yeah so we're what happens if you.

E

Get back many center built without access, and I know what you well know.

A

Let's turn in right, so we're gonna airdrop everybody. So we will continue to.

H

Have those discussions and I'm walking hard on that soon? I just I wanted to.

A

Point that out that we have a dilemma there, and you know that that community.

A

Has been going through a very, very good healing process and I'm not gonna pit.

A

Right, but that that community has come together and and embraced this project.

A

And now we're saying we just gotta find the funds to do it and it may have to be.

E

Delayed a year, but I think we have to keep on delaying yeah talking about.

B

Timing, assuming that there is some possibility, the state putting money into.

B

This, the timing of that amendment will be really important too, because the kids.

B

We can't start the project without that having been resolved yeah all right. Oh.

A

There that's the reason they gave us for not giving us the 250 right. What good.

E

You hadn't started correct. It was a 30% bruise, so we can't give you the money.

A

How far do you have to be? Oh, I don't know partner percent, don't make the.

A

Number of those they get on a thing, so 100 percent of design- or you know I.

J

Think 30 percent- we were only 30 percent through the entire process of design.

A

Site work that kind of thing. That was the reason it was given to us.

A

For the for the money being taken out, but there was, there was other.

A

Jurisdictions that had similar puzzling.

A

Reasons given for money that's taken out, so it's not just us! Well, it's hard to.

B

Understand how they would expect us doing site work on a project that we're.

B

Not sure we can afford before they'll give us money yeah a lot of these.

H

Discussions are, you know, also the chicken yeah yeah they're when to see.

H

Who's gonna back down first and say: okay, we will not commit to this project.

H

Therefore, it's gonna free up other monies. We want to commit to this project.

H

Is a priority for us and we will and we will continue work with the state to.

H

Find the right funding to get it done is that's what my thoughts are honest. Any.

E

Of that project open space money available for something like this part.

E

Of this or land acquisition well yeah. Well, there is other well there's other.

A

Open space right, that's what I mean there's some other funds come in and.

E

Some of that's been used for the exterior they're, not gonna. Let us use.

B

Program up in space for a community center have well, I was gonna, say not the.

E

Community center such but we use it for the walking trails around it and use.

E

That money that we had maybe somewhere else into the community center but.

E

There's no money for walking trails to it: okay, okay, but there there is. There's.

H

Funding for walking trails for the county, isn't there there's funding.

H

Allocated already for that, if we take that funding move it towards this, can we.

H

Apply open space dollars to those trails.

B

Shifting he won the trail, whatever trail projects we have are probably already.

B

Largely program open space funded. Are there other walking trails that are.

H

Although largely open space funded, some that are not that were there's other.

H

Dollars that could be allocated to the only general fund dollars in your park.

B

Projects are either the dollars we need to put in to match the.

B

Program open space night or those few other places, we told you about the park.

B

Restoration, the right town, fine and right, so, in other words, there's no, I.

H

Apologize and we have allocated that could be funded through open space is.

H

What you're saying we're with the ship those dollars right.

B

There: okay, there's nothing, that's nothing to show god yeah when we, when we.

B

Build the kind of park capital program, yeah yeah, we're building it as fully.

B

Using yeah other people's money and then putting in what we need to right. No, I.

H

Just thought it was good question and we should walk through it there. Some of.

J

That open space money was put up there already.

H

Right, no, I didn't say that, but I'm saying if there's any other jump funds.

H

You yeah so that shit, so at least I got heart of it skin being done. You know.

A

There'll, be a great x exterior place without a boat. Ok, did you give us a.

H

Really good lay down on on bridges about months ago, and we have a lot of funds.

H

Allocated toward purchase right now, their budget, you know for all the.

H

Different bridges is there any? I mean way to move some of that money or are we.

H

Taking not just risk but a gamble when it's coming to a bridge I mean: are there.

H

Or are we kind of on the on the low side of risk with the funding now or we.

H

Aren't on the absolute high side of risk that if we do not fund, it could be.

H

Catastrophic, ok, well, a couple thoughts there. The.

B

Bridges that are in the plan are the ones that were most concerned about yeah.

B

But this is not a thing where we're we're working ahead of problems, we're.

B

Dealing we're dealing with the biggest problems, but the end. The other thing is.

F

Most of that is funded with federal eighty-eight percent of most of our.

B

Projects is federal money. The only ones that we are funding entirely are the.

B

Bridges that are less than twenty feet, long, which is a relatively small number heidi, are there any in the current cip, okay, so.

B

There is one that it's not about federal money, but it's bonded. So you know if.

B

It's five hundred thousand. We wouldn't have five hundred thousand available to.

B

Us we'd have forty five thousand a year available to us. He's gonna donate a.

J

Salary what's that, but you know we are faced with you look at this and we all.

E

Agreed and I think most of us at the beginning- that's one of our priorities.

E

Put something in to move that forward, at least above where we are how much I.

E

Don't know put over the bird, I have an idea in the back of my mind, how we can.

E

At least start moving that in the right direction. Thoughts from you guys because.

H

He puts it in its gonna push into the further negative yeah was I I mean I.

E

Mean it's gonna not help us you're right at this point. That's going on now. It's.

H

Addressing one of the spending shirts that we're looking at and right now.

H

They're at 33 and a third percent, the requestors good.

H

To 30% for disability is your way. We can phase it in from 33 and a third to get.

H

Them up to 66 in 2/3 by fy, 25, that's! Well! That's things! Staying noon! Well, no.

H

I assume stan right, we don't have the funds, but the question is: where would it.

H

Look like, and then I mean that was one of the questions that we're going to be.

H

Interested okay: if you're gonna do this, I really don't see what we gain by.

B

Phasing it in hey, that's mean you save a few dollars right a few years, but in the.

B

End we're getting the same place right, that's right! So that could be one of.

H

Those answers saying yeah, it doesn't make sense to phase in if we're gonna do.

H

It, let's do it if we do it, what would the cost look like in doing it? I'm 33.

H

And a third to 66 and 2/3, starting in my 20s okay, to to fully implement for the.

B

Sheriff and detention center we had an estimate. That's now has a.

B

Little bit of age on it and wouldn't account for having added the sros or for.

B

The extra salary increase you did last year, so it's going to be too low a.

B

Number, but that was about 1.5 million dollars a year. So I don't. I don't know.

B

What that would translate to with the newer costs, but more than what we.

B

Thought and then could it be offset by looking at their contributions into the.

H

Retirement right now, it's 8% they increase day and a half percent. Well, we.

B

Can that that is not a significant number, though I think we've we.

B

Calculated that might that fleet was about $30,000 much 30,000 wow, okay, yeah.

A

Because remember that that the forces are smaller right price, as it.

A

Compares to our surrounding jurisdictions when it comes to law enforcement, I think they're there about 200 people. I think as it as a whole. The.

A

Whole attention in, but then what would be so costly because the 66 230 is for.

H

Disability and they're, not all 200, where we're going to be disabled by the time.

H

They retire, it will be a certain percent, I mean I'm. I got a retirement, I'm.

H

Disabled but everybody who has retirement, isn't disabled. I mean yeah.

B

Well, yeah, we had our actuary run the numbers. Of course they have to make.

B

Certain assumptions we don't know who's gonna be disabled when, but this is a.

B

Result of them looking at the worst workforces there, how much money they.

B

Make the likelihood of people taking disability, and that was their result.

B

Right and for me to judge on what those numbers are, it would be silly because.

H

I'm not an actuary, but I would be curious in their looking at the highest.

H

Risk associated and what the cost will be, I mean: are they looking at 20% of the.

H

Force 30% of force: do we know what that, maybe that what we gave you the hand for.

B

Them that, yes, they do. Okay outline some of their assumptions.

B

In there I don't recall, but you know well they'll, they will tell you, I mean.

B

They have no way to tell you what the cost is gonna be. All they can do is tell.

B

You based on these assumptions, here's what ever it would come out. You know.

B

They have no particular incentive to make the number or any bigger than they.

B

Believe it's going to be there if they're trying to give us their best.

B

Shot it would cost of li. We put an ad in bolton. Is that what you were told matt.

A

If we put x amount of dollars into it to raise it, can they operate from that.

E

Point of view yep, you know this is the amount by putting in this would take it.

E

To this level yeah, so I think they kind of back into what benefit. Could you.

B

The offer that would they would up that from 32 ante 40-grain and to be clear.

A

When you're talking about phasing it in you're talking about, I mean there's.

A

There's a lot of things that that go into this, which also I love you know.

A

Emails we get because these experts out here the watching us think they have all.

A

The answers to which I say run for office, but I think what you're? What.

A

You're talking about when you say phase-in is when you're looking at the.

A

Combination of social security and whatever you're talking about increasing.

A

It in order to get it so that the the numbers on whatever they were would get.

A

Us to this to close to 66 and two-thirds with the same way in which we provide.

A

That disability now for social security's involved. That's what you're.

A

Talking about phasing it well yeah and that's kind of the way bolton looked at.

A

It unless I looked at it wrong because they said for us to you know if we.

A

Increase, I don't know what the percentage is now that were that we increase or that we provide for the for the the actually determined contribution.

A

The adc, but would they bolton, looked at two scenarios, one to increase it to 35%.

A

One to increase it to 45%, based on this results that I got from them and it.

A

Looked as if the county would spend an additional two hundred thirty-four thousand, if, if that adc was was increased, am I looking at it wrong what.

A

Did what what are you looking at again on the summary of results, ted that was.

A

Provided to us by bolton, so that's the second page at the bottom of the page.

A

Okay, so if we increased our contribution now again, I don't know what our.

A

Contribution is now that's why I should know, and I do know I just don't have it.

A

In front of me, but they're suggesting that first column, the bottom at the.

A

Bottom, including non-cotton, catastrophic.

A

The increase in the ad see, if we increased our contribution of 35%, would.

A

Be two hundred thirty, four thousand! That's that's how much more we would.

B

Have to pay to give a thirty five percent benefit correct and that's.

B

Sheriff only and you'd need to go further to the right to add the.

B

Correctional officers so be yeah, okay and what is there's another 52 so to go.

B

To thirty, five percent would be close to three hundred thousand well, it probably.

B

Would be three hundred thousand a year after they all right numbers, but the.

A

Point is that 35 percent- and I don't know what it is now.

A

And I should know, but that would get us closer to 66 and two-thirds. I don't know.

A

What the percentage the the lowest would be? Thirty percent okay. So this would get.

A

Us the 35, which that, along with the combination of social security plugged.

A

In would get them closer to 66 and two-thirds and long-term disability. The.

G

Long-Term disability guarantees sixty percent until normal retirement age.

G

Right when they yeah at retirement age until normal retirement age, so there's a.

G

Combination between a minimum of three factors, the pension alone- allows for a.

G

Benefit of 30 percent, when you can no longer be when you're totally and.

G

Permanently disabled and there's long term disability that guarantees a.

G

Minimum of 60 percent and then there's also social security. So the three the.

G

Three, together in, depending on how long you've worked and how much social.

G

Security, you have in things it can be, it can be equal to that 66 and thirds, but.

G

It may not be right, it'll be a minimum of 60, a younger younger officer, wouldn't.

A

Be close to that right right, but it'll be a minimum of 60 percent until.

G

Retirement age, so a so you're saying a 30-year old.

H

You know cop, that is now disabled is able to get sixty.

H

Scent of their salary until they retire age of 62 or 65, whatever considered.

G

Normal retirement age for our long-term disability carrier, I'm not a hundred.

G

Let's see that's fine, but that the individual can do what they were hired.

A

To do that's the problem, that's total and permanent disability right. If, but.

D

There's, if I'm understanding is right there, just six and one 2/3 percent.

D

Difference potential: that's not a tremendous amount. It's not the.

D

Difference between but he's based on the age dennis, that's the point now. That's.

A

What's it just said at 30 years old yeah, but if someone was totally disabled.

D

Right, it's their tv. You can't get your job, we're saying that you can be.

A

Disabled but you're gonna have to try to find work somewhere else right. That's.

G

That's that's the same occupation, own occupation. So there are two different.

G

Parts there's permanent and total disability and warner just walked in who who's much more expert on this than ari there's.

G

Permanent and total disability, okay um and that's what our plan hasn't it now.

G

So our plan allows for 30 percent if you're deemed permanently and totally.

G

Disabled and then we have to go ahead, okay! Well, I think it's second, where you.

B

Going okay, the numbers you're looking at there's two sets of numbers: they call it.

B

Catastrophic and non-catastrophic right, that's the same thing that we're talking.

B

About here yeah, my point has always been to try to take care of the person.

A

Whether it's in the detention center or in the car that is young and can't do.

A

The job they were hired to do.

A

That's where we get hung up right right. So let let me if I may put in.

F

Perspective a little bit so right now in our pension plan we have a catastrophic.

F

Policy for law enforcement, where the minimum benefit would be 30%. Okay, we do.

F

Not have any kind of disability provision at all for the correctional.

F

Officers within the pension plan, but getting back to law officers, 30 percent.

F

Disability total catastrophic, total and permanent and 0% for a non catastrophic.

F

For law officers see the only thing we have in the pension plan now is 30.

F

Percent for law enforcement, total and permanent disability catastrophic, so the.

F

Numbers you see in front of you with the study basically gives you different.

F

Scenarios and it breaks it down, like ted- alluded to it's a catastrophic and.

F

Non-Catastrophic right, so just just as an example, let's say in both plans, law.

F

Officers and correctional officers- let's say you wanted to go catastrophic at 45.

F

And non-catastrophic at 35 for both plans. Okay, you, then you would look at.

F

The second line from the bottom you're, looking at two hundred and thirty four.

F

Thousand four law officers and another 52,000 for correctional z', so somewhere.

F

Around two hundred eighty six thousand dollars that's to get law officers from.

F

Thirty to forty five catastrophic and zero to thirty five non-catastrophic and.

F

Correctional same thing, 45 35, for both plans- if you did both catastrophic and.

F

Non-Catastrophic at 66 and 2/3 you're, looking at about one and a half million.

F

Dollars that would be the increase in the employer contribution and keep in.

F

Mind, I think, ted alluded to this too. There are a lot of assumptions baked.

F

Into this- and we have such a relatively small plan.

F

That a couple of disablement would definitely skew these numbers, but what.

F

Bolton does is or what they did with this analysis, they base this on 0.4.

F

Disablement per year, okay, okay- and they actually use.

F

That figure and worked with other plans like maryland state police, for instance,.

F

But of course they have such a significantly larger police force than.

F

We do but proportionately they use 0.4 for our for our plans, but again just.

F

Like that, 1.5 just remind you again, that's a number everything else being.

B

The same we know so explain to my colleagues write down what happens to an.

A

Individual, who can't do what they were hired to do so you're, describing an own.

F

Occupation type of disability- that's correct, um and I wish him was here but she's tied up at the moment right. We we don't.

F

Have anything in our pension plan to address that situation? What we do have.

F

Are other safety nets like long term disability? You know workers comp for.

F

Instance, but for the for the pension plan itself, nothing addresses that kind.

F

Of disability, my opinion I wanted use most, I can for a law enforcement, don't.

H

Know if we can get to that 66 and two-thirds, I was not trekking. I appreciate the rundown getting us to 45 percent.

H

Catastrophic with catastrophic in thirty five percent with non-catastrophic lisa.

H

Is moving us in that right direction where I believe we need to go men and.

H

Women who put on the uniform whether it's red, blue or green.

H

Are taking at us- and I think that's uh something we did they deserve- I'm not.

A

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I agree with you so tell me where we're.

A

Gonna find that I don't know yet bridget. We can't touch the breeze. That's a great.

A

Statement, I love that and I agree right, but that doesn't help us get there find.

A

That one well absolutely know that there are ways of getting there.

H

There are ways by taking the balance you know, which I don't want to do right now,.

H

In fy2013, across fy, 2021 and and using that, so there is a method to doing it. It.

H

Is not the preferred method whatsoever and I'm celeste about it? That is not the.

E

That is not the prefer, but that is a method to do right. Yes, I just want to.

B

Say on using what's on the bottom of fiscal year, 20, though, whatever my.

B

Objections are to using other one-time money, at least that's known money. That's.

B

Right not know money, yet we all this is is our projection of where we're gonna.

B

End up in fiscal year: twenty we don't. We don't know that we're gonna get that, but.

H

We have that two million reserve right now. That is no money correct. Well, you.

B

Used a million of it so far we have a million reserve. Yes, if we're looking at.

D

Things like this I'd like to put in I like to at my number one priority was to.

D

Give the workers our county workers that additional two percent, so they pick.

D

Scouts our scale is not compressed my pain. Of course. That's my number one.

D

Priority so just tell you where that it goes with me, but I think it's carroll.

D

County still stepping stone for other jobs. People come here, they get trained.

D

They work here. It makes good somewhere else to make more money. I like to stop.

D

That from happening, this is the way to do that. That's why that's my number one.

D

D

The sheriff's department got a nine percent pay increase last year. Can.

D

Anybody can anyone remember anyone else in the county he's ever gotten a nine.

D

Percent pay increase no one year, I wasn't here, but it did.

D

Happen back in the late eighties, we're gonna come up with this knowledge and.

A

And while I don't disagree with that argument, the first part of your.

A

Statement I had an interesting conversation with a firefighter in.

A

Frederick county yesterday you know he said to me: we lost 28 firefighters in.

A

Frederick county last year, because we're training them and they're going.

A

Elsewhere, so while I get that look because we don't pay him to say, but you.

A

Can cross any jurisdictional line you want dennis, and you will hear that.

A

You'll hear that argument whether you're in howard, montgomery frederick, I don't.

A

Care where you are you're gonna hear that argument. Oh I don't. I don't buy.

A

That anymore, I really don't if you want to work somewhere and make more money.

A

There's no toll booths at the end of the county. Okay and I can say the same thing.

D

With the sheriff's department with a disability, you gonna work somewhere. If.

D

You're, better disability, yeah, but I'll go to this apartment. I look at this one.

A

Difference well, the difference is this is what they get if in the work that.

A

They're doing and they can't do their job. Okay, that's the difference. No, I mean.

J

That that's and that's coming from a guy who had 66 and 2/3 when I was a.

A

Firefighter, I I get all that, but the fact is this is what we have here. The.

D

Same thing, you said about the workers in the county. This is what we have here. You.

D

Don't like it because somewhere else, what's the difference? Well, if there's.

H

The difference different priority for you.

H

I think well, honestly, we have the folks on was the risk associate with doing one.

H

Or the other, what is the risk says you if we don't go, that plus two percent was.

H

The risk, if we don't handle our police with this disability well, my concern is.

H

I think there's a much higher risk to our police force if we do not treat them.

H

The way I think they should be treated- and you know it's not like an overnight.

H

Process and all of a sudden they woke up and said this is what we want.

H

I believe this been building. It's gotten to a point where I want to minimize that.

H

Risk to our force and if this is a way to do that because cuz I'm you know, I.

H

Understand the concern about having our county government paid appropriately, but.

H

I can handle more of that risk if folks leave the building and don't come back.

H

As opposed to a policeman or woman that takes uniform off and go somewhere else,.

H

And doesn't come back, there's much more risk associated with that. Well, I'm.

E

Wearing the emphases, oh of fire ems service and we're going to be.

E

Responsible eventually for this same program, and if we wait and do it all at.

E

Once it's going to be tremendous hit to our budget, so that's why I thought at.

E

Least, we start in making some improvements long long before we get to.

E

The next step with the fire and ems service- am I wrong in that yeah all this.

A

Conversation is good. I just I don't write on the word yeah. We can sit here.

A

And soap box rest of the day, but I don't fine find the money. Look. The projections.

H

That we're looking at in the bottom. Are you saying that we should not look at.

H

Adjusting them at all good cuz, you right, they are the only projection. It's not.

H

Real money, it's projections, but is it just not a.

H

Smart thing to do is it you know where well you're talking about risk. I think.

B

It's a risk, you can't it is a risk east india. I mean at what point. Would you say.

H

Is it cons goes well beyond a risk into a gamble like if we look at if we get.

H

Down to a point where we're at $300,000, as opposed.

H

1.3 million I mean, what's the in your experience? Well, you know. I've talked to.

B

You about our concerns about income tax and what that's gonna happen, and I've.

B

Told you that fiscal year 19, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes in three more.

B

Or three million dollars less then we are, the same thing could end up being.

B

True of twenty, you really three million less makes that disappear. You really.

H

Think it's that big of a swing? Yes, okay, you know! No, I'm not gonna tell you that.

B

It could go up ten or down ten. Never I surprised, but I say I wouldn't be.

B

Surprised by three million- I I truly mean it: okay,.

H

Which is telling us right now, we are just by itself right there at risk.

B

Yeah right, if you, if you count on that in a way that it's making your future.

B

Years, work, yes, okay,.

J

H

I still believe we should go forward and put in a placeholder in look at 45% and.

H

35%, no second, that at $286,000 do this. We should. We should put something larger.

B

Than 286 in exact numbers is not gonna, be where we are in your opinion, what.

H

Would that number big yeah and I had 300 number but yeah, say 3 300? Okay, no, I mean.

H

Machine we should put something bigger, I'm like okay, what do you think yeah.

H

Throw me a bone, at least, if you think it's 300, I think 3, I think it'd be.

B

Better to be in 300, that's fair. I appreciate.

H

I

This bolton analysis is that uh self-insuring like like what the health.

I

Care, or is this for outside insurance- how these numbers be set up? Is this.

I

Something we do internally like a self insurance, or do we pay an outside source.

I

To cover this, this is actually part of our pension, so there would be part of.

B

Our pension and we are the funder of okay. Well there, whether it's employee.

B

Contributions and right now, that's why I want to clarify, want to make sure that.

H

Can we, even though it may not be a large amount, look at the police force sheriff.

H

Department putting in eight and a half percent as opposed to eight percent, yes,.

B

That's in your hands and determined so our contribution, I mean, I think at least.

H

That would because that's what weird is right now for the rest of the county right ploy ii contribution. Five! Isn't it come with? A percent for pension? Is.

G

Everything it yeah is ted. The employee contribution for the pension is that.

G

What you're asking good oh employee contribution that we put in is eight.

G

Percent account of consent, a budget law because there's different okay, all right.

B

Yeah but eight is where most of us are: the law officers are at 13, the laws are.

H

Put in thirteen point one into their pension, no.

A

Is not there so, okay, we're gonna, have to okay, some of those some of the.

H

Background discussion I was having thing was that the law enforcement was putting.

H

In eight and if they went up to 8.5, you know at least I would yes, I I heard that.

J

Discussion right, it's eight there's an employee.

G

According to warner, the law, enforcement and and attention put in eight percent.

C

County puts in five percent county employees, five yeah. We can't have it.

A

Beginning okay, so five percent for the civilian plan, eight percent for the and.

B

The reason they're different is because they have a higher benefit, so the.

H

Discussion that we were all hearing and having previous to sit down this.

H

Afternoon was that they were gonna go from or there was an acceptance of going.

H

From eight to eight point, five percent be careful, I'm not sure what that was.

H

Judged on now, that's why I'm telling you to be careful. I was one unless you talk.

A

To me that was one person well, it was. It was a couple. Yes, no, it was more than one.

H

Got away I'm cuz, I haven't talked to more than.

J

One yeah, okay and I'm not sure why you're saying that now, if it's not in.

H

Kind of the same place, we're I mean, do you you had some of the conversation. I.

H

Mean do you know about the heat weather point five I mean I. I have not had a.

B

Conversation as anybody about that I had heard overheads. Okay, I apologize it's.

H

Circular, okay,.

H

Okay, I'm not, then convinced that that would be the right way to go.

A

I've only had a conversation with one person. That's why I don't know that was.

A

That was an opinion that, if we could get it to where they were closest to the.

A

Number that they want to get to right that they would say yeah. I think we're.

A

We can do that. That's all, that's why my guess is when somebody suggests that.

B

They probably didn't even realize how much of a contribution that would be.

B

Toward writing much more than out of your paycheck.

B

Yeah well, I bet the other side. However, what does it accomplish and provide well.

A

Dad but but you know, the bottom line with a lot of young people is what does.

A

That mean in my okay, what I think: okay yeah, I think you're gonna get varying.

A

Opinions about that! That's why boston here, yeah young officers could have.

I

Children, it's a big difference, so I can we vote on that, since we're hitting all.

D

This, the one in time, why is it, go back and vote on whether we want to put in.

D

That additional waste drop-off area- oh, can we talk about the first time we had.

K

A motion to basically catch, we didn't vote on the waste drop-off area, though.

C

Yeah yeah: this is just the ideas. The waste was not know. We had a motion in a.

K

Second, for the sheriff right benefits correct that has not been voted on, so we.

H

Should finish that, we didn't have a motion all the way we did not know yeah.

H

Right but we do have a motion in a second on the sheriff motion was.

K

45 percent and 35 percent correct, 300,000 right, correct.

A

Okay motion in a second, oh only to get us, so we have a lot of work to do on.

A

Tuesday, all those in favor- oh, that's that now dennis what do you.

A

Want to do the waste the waste transfer, cuz you're, the one who brought it up.

D

Yeah I do want to vote on. I brought it first thing I brought up. I thought we.

D

Were going to make sure you run through these things? First.

D

Well: okay, but we're not doing it that way,.

A

Well, that's! Fine! If you don't have to make milk you just bet. He buys a place over okay, put on ya, putting back in the waste transfer area for the landfill all.

D

Right, you say: seven, thousands, one time. Okay, is there a second I'll? Second, that.

A

Any other discussion I'm still trying to wrap them with what is the the.

H

Significant impact on this, if we keep it the way, it is right now I mean if we.

H

Change, I know you, you tore it and you got something to.

D

Keep the line shorter, I'm not the expert, but it's when I was told when I was out.

D

There they needed about mine, okay, it goes from the area with four dumpsters.

D

To a area, far away with more more efficient handling of people coming in.

D

When there's, when there's a like on a weekend so forth, be done quicker, easier.

D

Something that that they need a nice part of it. It is a one-time experience.

I

Where I he has a, we have a positive, it's not an outgoing expense.

I

The other reason they're the one this is to divide or separate the.

B

Commercial traffic in residential traffic separate that means separate a.

A

Line yeah as commercials in line was the.

A

Residential say: okay, I got a motion and second to do that. Any other questions on.

A

That all in favor aye raise your hands said that these young.

A

Ladies now opposed right now, just keep her right. Now that comes right away was.

A

He remains yeah, but it's on that line. So right, that's right!.

G

It remains out of the recommended budget. There's two other things. I want to bring.

D

Up that so we used so the number being there doesn't act, do anything to the.

A

Bottom line, just because the numbers right got it; okay, you don't want to mess.

A

With that was, I know, I'm not believe me. We know that. Okay, all right dennis.

D

Another thing I was I'm uncomfortable with this one: we reduce the pavement.

D

Management fund by four point: seven: six: five million dollars. I think that's what.

D

Gives the trouble down the road no pun intended, but I just think it is. I.

D

Don't think it's a good idea to reduce millions. My opinion we're keeping up the.

D

Roads are ok, I don't hear like a nice about, but when you reduce that fun, but.

D

But the maintenance off to is necessarily acquired. I think there's.

D

Gonna be problems and in a long run, that's gonna cost us more money.

H

How do we reduce it by 4.7, when I told adds up to you know one point three or.

H

Four bonding okay, when I had this brainstorm, the one in the last 10 years.

A

11 years 11, I ran it through them to make sure they gave me the numbers.

A

Comfortable with they did a yeoman's job coming up with the numbers, so I didn't.

A

Just pick it out of the right, but that's only my I'm not saying that to argue.

A

With you, I I agreed in the moment on it that could be a detriment to future.

A

Projects but I looked upon it as a place where there are so many other critical.

A

Issues and the roads are I'm comfortable. That's why I brought it up. Okay, if no.

D

One else goes that way: I just bring it up again that it's fine, okay does.

A

Anybody want to take it any further. At this point.

A

Okay, get anything else. What other thing just two and a half million now he took.

D

Away from the north carroll building.

D

What happens at the end? Let's say we don't sell the building. We don't leave.

D

The building on the caps lob, it's our building at the end of was a june or.

D

July next year, or whatever it is to make the money we put through maintaining.

D

That building is 50,000 a month. Basically, that runs out yep. The.

D

Building's ours, what happens turns into a haunted house? If that's just once a.

D

Year but just a building curie's everything around it goes down. I mean I.

D

Would like to think we're gonna handle that situation, but we don't we're stuck.

D

With that large building with no money for maintenance, nobody fits to demolish.

D

It what happens to it, give me open to budget back up and deal with it at that.

E

Time we're gonna go this whole process again I mean, I think, what's happening.

J

For you, if it becomes a prayer, it becomes really a desire, but that's kind.

D

Of its kind of like a faux push that course of action, you're right hope. It's.

H

Not a it's absolutely right, that's exactly what that is. That's absolutely.

H

What I'm saying, therefore, the course of action is.

H

Resourcing and economic development with our time and effort in getting that.

H

Building to be here so I mean really research. I feel my.

H

I will put more time- and you know this development- I'm working with our team to.

H

Get in that building tinker I mean, I think, I'm okay I'll bring it up.

D

Because I'm not comfortable with it, but that's why we have five commissioners.

D

And I'm working on it also as hard as I can here to make it happen. Make that.

E

Chop and then I I know that and I'm hoping in which you're gonna work all.

D

Right hands up, I really do, but my question is what dustin that's a problem.

D

Oh glass, hair for half empty. I got the answer that in case you're wondering.

D

That's whether you're drinking from it or adding to it, okay, there'll, be no more.

H

Coping and scooting in this room, your concern is saturated. I agree with you on.

A

That at this point, okay, we're faced with a lot of those issues.

E

Not charles carroll here and be honest with you. I don't know where to come up.

D

With the other money, actually I do have two places. I don't know where to pump the other money. I really don't know not anything.

D

That you all go that way: ted we talked about rail or all the trails being.

H

Funded through open space like this northwest rail construction $970,000, yes,.

H

So we can't touch it.

J

You know the places where you know there. There are places where we can do things.

B

Because we're using other people's money yeah, the flip side of that, though, is it.

B

Doesn't help you with anything else and there's, there's there's a lot of these.

B

Places you know promo codes beit pro program, open space, the federal bridge.

B

Money state funding for egg egg pres state funding for school construction.

B

We can't take any of those and say well, let's not do that.

B

Let's use it for something else, all right, a funny. I'm sorry.

A

Well, faa funding yeah right last week you and I had a brief conversation about.

A

The market street project, just for the benefit of my colleagues, give us a brief.

A

Rundown on that, because I think- and I was a little bit confused and I think.

A

He's straighten, I know you straighten me out, but there's money there, but land has.

A

Been acquired and we're halfway through the thing and so just give us an update.

A

On that please yeah and actually commissioner winds was confused because.

B

I confused the issue by giving him some bad answers, but where we are right now.

B

Is the major land acquisition has happened? There's still the possibility.

B

Of some small easements that we need to deal with, but something around a million.

B

Dollars has already been spent yeah, the design is the design complete gave 1.2.

B

To the land, design is close to come to complete. So even now you could choose.

B

Not to spend the remaining money, but it's not like not. We spent 300 we're not.

B

Going to spend 2 million it's more like we spent, you know one.

B

Point something and we're not going to spend another million. What what is that.

A

Other money again, what's still in that project, I know we spent one point.

A

Something like you say, on the land acquisition money set aside, or is it.

A

Just is it future bond or what what oh, how is it funded you correct? How is it.

A

Funded, I think, there's a lot of how we use a revenue and then by 20, by putting.

L

An additional half a million in and highway user revenues it's another one.

B

You can't move anywhere else right user right, highway use your back, yeah right.

A

Okay, yeah, I actually just for lack of nothing else to do. I guess I don't know.

A

I sat up there and looked at that intersection and went back and forth on.

A

That the other day yeah well, you know just to see what why there was so much.

A

Importance put on that road. Now we haven't, we haven't built a new road and.

A

Since, when 1910 or something that but anyway, I know it's needed, but I was.

A

Looking there as to whether or not that could be delayed as a result of not.

A

Seeing a whole lot there that you know was a huge traffic jam there, so yeah so.

B

There's a question: you know if you believe the projects needed or not, but.

B

If the question is, can we better our situation by not doing this project that.

B

The gain is, is gonna, be relatively small yeah because we have spent money. There's.

B

Highway tax revenue in the mix and then what other money you can take is bond. So.

B

You just get the debts are just get to that service back which I'd trade. You a.

A

Community center for a road kind of like the monopoly boy here you.

A

Said that that highway user revenues it's already for that project, we.

A

Couldn't use that for something else if we said well, the project is now not.

A

Happening, oh, you said that I was a thousand.

A

Dollars of highway user revenues it's been assigned to that project. Yes, you.

B

Could use it for another highway user revenues while firing project? My point.

B

Was he just couldn't use it to? I know that right right. Yes, we can maybe take a.

H

Look at that, what are you reading my mind? Yeah, it's an ugly bug, wait shit.

H

That didn't make sense, and we shouldn't have that conversation well, there's not.

D

A good connection between 140 and old westminster pike, a relatively large.

B

Development for carroll county is going in with that would come out right. So I.

D

Mean erodes your your purpose. Does new development going back there with a.

D

Heavy house, but hundred thousands, I believe to forty years only are coming.

F

You know through there, that's, I don't think it's something that should be so.

D

So they want to cut through instead of happen, to go this way or that way.

A

Well, the other road won't take additional traffic they're, saying: okay,.

F

So the carroll community college technology, its own.

H

1.75 million to match foundations- I don't know if that's a 50/50 match or.

H

Not, but you know so three and a half million dollars for technology over a.

H

Five-Year period of computers and other things, laboratory gasps we're two years.

H

Into it, we have three years left on this commitment is the fount is it is. It is.

H

It designed right now that it must be a match with the foundation or with the.

H

Foundation, that'll provide that's they're, part of it if we were not able.

H

To provide the what the last board agreed to was a plan where they would.

B

Fundraise, we would match up to a certain amount of their fundraising over this.

B

Five-Year period have we been using that much money? Yes,.

B

They've been working exactly as they would have thought because of this.

D

They've been able to fundraise because with the county match, so they say if you.

D

Give us this and be like two dollars to huge and a half able to do that. You can.

D

Take that away and to be honest with you, they're, not like leaps and bounds ahead.

D

Of technology manages trying tread water there and I guess it would be.

B

Technically in the board's hands to say we're not going to continue it, but it.

B

Was a very specific commitment to him ice multiplier arrangement, chomsky? What.

E

About something like a party run, part of paving existing stone road parking lots.

E

And pavilion replacement, we did the per billion in parking lots and didn't pave.

E

The road which is not pave now is that possible was that the parking, the direct.

E

Money can't be touched.

A

Yes, it is pos money, so you could use it for another park purpose, but couldn't.

B

Fix any other problems, just checking.

B

That's why you know I. I look back to to make sure I'm right on these things, but.

B

Like I tell you before, you know our park program.

B

Overwhelmingly fund with program open space funding, but didn't hurt that yes,.

H

Open space a handful of times, yeah, I know over the years we've actually.

B

Devoted more and more the program evidence base to what what we're doing.

B

There was a time when there would have been more yeses from me on is that money.

B

Available from that project for another purpose, but now it's almost almost never.

B

Yes, okay, guys want to take ten spend an hour here. Okay,.

B

Gv, it always seems like three hours good one take ten or trip one keep rolling.

A

Take ten recess for ten.

A

Absolutely so on the bottom not necessary, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, pose.

A

The question: no, it's not I'm gonna pose a question that I'm sticking my neck out.

A

Here but it's merely a question: okay and I'm probably not gonna- have a very good.

A

Weekend as a result of this question, but I'm gonna ask it and maybe we can nip it.

A

In the bud right now, but as it stands right now, our employees are to get a 3%.

A

Raise is that correct across the board? Yes and law enforcement.

A

Is to get 4%? Yes, that's the corrections and sheriff yes, okay. What? What? What does.

A

That, if I were to say to you that it did we back that to two-and-a-half and.

A

Three-And-A-Half, or or what kind of numbers are we looking at there? Well.

F

Because I and let me preface this by saying, I will not entertain any tax.

A

Discussion because that's just where my values are at this point, but I don't.

A

Want to do this and I never said that I would, but I'm merely asking the question.

B

Be on the sheriff's side, every percent is about a hundred and eighty thousand.

B

Dollars how much a hundred and eighty thousand okay so a half percent! Ninety.

B

Okay for other employees, it's three hundred and thirty years, three about.

B

Three: seventy okay: I only did that to get to get a sense of.

A

What the numbers are, that's all, I'm not suggesting that we do that at all and.

A

I've always said that I would not do anything on the backs of our employees.

A

But I just wanted to see the numbers and again I you know, I hesitate to say this.

A

Because I've been attacked for this, but this is the difficulty of asking.

A

Difficult questions in front of cameras- that's true, I have to say I would I you.

D

Already said, you told you against that I'll, be totally against doing that myself. I just have to further it out there, but also I'm looking at this. I.

D

Don't leave everyone has gone through the book, so I'm assuming I've gone.

D

Through I've actually gone a table with a couple ideas and he's laughed at me several times to your face, I'm behind so I mean so there's not much out there.

D

But actually the bottom line, it's not as bad as I thought I mean it looks like.

D

Except fy 22 23 24 25. It's not. I thought it would be worse.

D

To be frank, so I'm gonna hit an area which I've already hit and mr. weaver.

D

Hates me for it already, but with ag pres take the money on going at an egg price.

D

Of bowser budget out egg pressure still go on, we'll still have the program you.

D

Only looking at taking another, let's even off, say no for our thousand out so.

D

You still have over two and a half million dollars in ag pres.

D

But it will balance out that budget and everything if we don't have a lot but.

D

Everything we add it. Will we pay for at what point you start losing tmdls and.

E

State dealing with the stormwater management type thing this is: is this.

E

Effect that every fy 26, I think, we're doing less ag pres yeah. I I don't think.

B

So another recharge areas and things like that- this all adds to our plan and.

E

There's a point where that starts affecting that. So I I'd have to talk.

B

With tom about that, but I I'm not sure I've ever had that.

B

Discussion come up before her. Well, we never cut be more know. I mean still have.

D

72,000 acres: this was so good forward. We saw a critical farms. I saw the my.

D

Program still have the cia's, whatever their ipas, and we still have two and a.

D

Half million dollars going forward with ag pres yeah, you realize this is the.

E

Only successful program the government has ever put together for extended.

E

Period of time, forty years and every board has bought into it, and it's been.

E

Very successful this board is a last board in this one.

E

Of the only two that have actually started to tear this apart, so just.

E

People I and I- and I understand that and I know where you coming from.

D

And- and I agree that it's very successful program- I don't want to put a.

D

Halt to it, but as we're looking for the books and everything it's either this or.

D

What lance doesn't wonder to entertain what well, we are and being very frank. I.

A

Know you are, and so my dad's, because that trust me, that was a very very I.

A

Just wanted to know what the numbers were very question for me. Yeah and I.

F

Don't even want to go there. I was curious as to what the numbers are.

A

That's all because I will not raise taxes and, oh so so, where else are we.

D

Well, exactly so yeah, I appreciate you asking question about the salaries.

H

Because I was, if not you me and we were having those discussions asking that.

H

Question I was again expecting a higher number, it's not so, but at least we have.

H

It in front of us here, at least we do so. We know where it is.

H

You know that you mentioned that um we're not as bad off as you thought. We.

H

Still haven't all the discussions we had over the last few weeks of the agencies.

H

Coming in with their requests, I know we haven't even touched any positions or.

H

Any of the respondents where we are this year, so I mean right now we are, we are.

H

Completely zero down on all that, and we owe it at least the due.

H

Diligence to look at them and address them and say upfront, yes or no. We will.

H

Not address it in this budget, but they came to us and we owe it to them into.

H

The community to address each one of those. That's that's! Why I'm at that, as.

H

Far as everett again, it's its messaging, I believe we have our strong values tied.

H

To ag- and that is out, as you know, a priority of mine and I want maintain and.

H

I don't I'm very concerned of of touching that any further than we have.

H

Already and we've done it over the last two years, so that's my two cents, yeah.

A

Well, that's my two cents too, but you got to ask yourself when it gets down to.

A

This and making those points that both of you just did: what do you weigh what.

A

Do you weigh here because about cheat week you're doing better than me.

A

Your options are: are very little favor, so you you, you know, let's, let's make.

A

Sure that we continue to do address or and and perhaps look at the tax thing.

A

Where we back off or something and not look at the tax thing, what's important.

A

To the citizens across the county, another hard question in front of the.

A

Cameras, if you look at the tax thing, look at restoring taxes to what they.

D

Were when he first started taking taxes away in 2012, if we restore them back to.

D

What they were back then, just throwing us out there it'd be about.

D

A hundred dollars a household additional for property taxes only and that would.

D

Mean that you're paying exactly the same as you paid in 2012. What are the.

D

Commodity, what other things you buy today that you pay the exact same as you.

D

Paid into that twelve everything else is going up and.

D

I'm just throwing it out there, but to say nice job you to to include our taxes.

H

That again to include our taxes have gone. I mean our assessments are our.

H

Houses have gone up right, hello, our water rates that we're talking about you.

H

Know raising 8.2 percent, it's like okay, you know and I'm but but but we're.

H

Raising rates and we're raising and we're recognizing assessments have gone.

H

Up and people's pockets are getting tighter, so I am not you know, that's a.

D

Super sad for the employees I mean I mean it's not like. Let's go back to the.

H

3% that we took away, why not go 5 or 10%, I don't what I'm not willing to go to 3.

H

I I think, that's an arbitrary number, that's not necessary, and you know I'm not gonna. You know I do not like the 8.2.

H

Percent but it's the right thing to do, for our community, our county and but.

H

Then if I say oh, let's go another 3%, another 100 bucks at somebody's pocket.

H

I'm much more willing to take it down my pocket than theirs. I just I can't that's.

D

Why that's why I asked that question: is there are no easy decisions? There's.

D

Nothing left, you know we have for years 22 23 times 1.50. We need to pick up 350.

E

210 $80,000 we're looking at all these budgets. Is it unfair to ask each.

E

Department to look at their budget and ask what they could and especially those.

E

Out years, if they have anything that they would be willing to kick into this.

E

To balance that that way, we don't affect pay raises, we don't affect.

E

Anything else each department to look at it and say yeah well, look. I have 25,000.

E

Here and this year, I don't, I think we can get by without or whatever or aren't.

H

Most of the budgets in each directorate going to people to push them art doesn't.

H

Pay for people look most of the director of budgets yeah, but there's out there.

E

Just think you back to the people who yeah boots are on the ground and say is.

E

There anything we can eliminate here, I don't know, give it. I I think, plan trying.

H

To share is, if we look at that and we're really looking at eliminating positions.

H

If it's gonna be a penny value to touch them all, the directors not- and I do not.

H

Believe we are in a position to do that. I had in what positions particular I was.

E

Looking their whole budget or something they have that well, the commissioners.

B

Can certainly ask that question I don't think you're gonna get back a very.

B

Satisfying answer because we've we've been working for years to push out.

B

Anything that we were saying do we really need to do this, and even you know.

B

In the budgets that report to you, but most of them are other than salaries are.

B

Growing little or not at all, some are even going going down. You know and part.

B

Of the message I've been sharing with you these last few years is one of the.

B

Reasons there's less. Flexibility is because we've squeezed out the places.

B

Where there's there's room to say well, we could choose not to do that and a.

B

Commission rothstein's point: there are some budgets where we pay for stuff.

B

Other than people, but a lot of the budgets are overwhelmingly people. That's.

B

Why I've said to you before you know there are some budgets, you could cut 20%.

B

But you can't cut 5%, because you're gonna be out of position like that's. Why.

H

I thought as people first before we yeah we're making decisions here without yeah.

B

I think the reaction you would get for most people is we've already been through as a conversationalist that group up there already did that.

A

Yeah I want to do that, but the county building infrastructure. You know the.

H

Renovations, the technology overall we're talking about ten million dollars that.

H

Has been budgeted to satisfy our technology requirements and system and.

H

Renovations encounter buildings, I think most of it is a are, are things that we.

H

Need to do to do the job and do the mission we have, but then there's maybe.

H

Some things in there where we should look at.

H

We don't have a you know, iphone 10 is and stay with an iphone 8 or whatever it.

H

Is I'm done, you know usenet totally, but I mean it's.

H

A lot of money, ten million dollars right now to maintain the renovations and.

H

Technology, the way it's broken down from all the different those I'm looking at.

H

Eight one 4445, specifically okay, you know we're talking finest attend. My I'm.

H

Bobby it's more like fourteen million total a page 144. This is basically.

B

Taking care of our buildings, if you talk to facilities, I don't think you would.

B

Get any sense that they feel like we're working ahead of need where we're.

B

Responding to the things that we think are the the highest concerns we can.

B

Spend less but this becomes another kind of like the road paving look. You can.

B

Choose to spend less right, but it's not gonna, make anything go away. County.

B

Technology, you know, I know you weren't making this point but on having to most.

B

Up-To-Date technology we're generally years behind.

B

You know: we've been in situations where, with microsoft windows, we've made a.

B

Migration to a newer version because they were no longer going to support the.

B

One that we had that there been so many changes since then, and you know same.

B

Thing on the other technology, I don't. If you talk to the people who have to deal.

B

With this, what they're going to tell you is we're just just getting by you know.

B

This is not a luxurious budget. This is isis uh trying to hang on, and I know.

H

These are not arbitrary numbers, I know they've been thought through, but if.

H

There was a ten percent decrease in either one of these or both. What would.

H

The impact be and you you can't say I mean neither can I I mean it's, you know.

H

We we have our opinions, but because there's such large sum dollars, I mean 14.

H

Million total is a lot of money, so you're taking 10% off each of these sure.

H

You know things may be delayed, technology updates and upgrades or.

H

Something may be delayed to the next year, but it may be wait risk worth.

H

Taking I just don't know, I'm just looking at.

H

The numbers in the definitions- I don't know the actual impact, that's something.

H

I think that uh I rather be looking at, especially than anything from ag pros to.

H

Salaries to faxes: well, you know if the kirchner's chose to do that.

B

These agencies would respond by figuring out what the least urgent thing is and.

B

Not doing it, but I think in both cases we would be moving ourselves closer to.

B

The possibility of something failing because we have not gotten to it in time.

B

Yeah- and this would be different- you know if I my underlying message she.

B

Was you know we have been right on top of taking care of all these things for.

B

Years, we're in good shape, we have no worries and you said: can we back off for.

B

This, then maybe he would say well that would push in a place where we don't.

B

Necessarily, that's not where we are. You know. We've.

B

Been we've been squeezing this for years and I think in both places they would.

B

Tell you they, I think, they'd be telling you. There are things that we should have.

B

Done already that we haven't done yet.

H

Question take a certain percentage off.

H

And I think it's worth asking, I think it's worth moving towards that direction.

H

If we stick to the priorities that we had a problem, we all went around so what.

H

Our first, let's align ourselves to those priorities. This allows us to do the.

H

Priorities but take away from something.

E

In the out-years, what percent to come off everything of a.

E

Fraction of a percent to make up that 400,000 right, but but then again we.

H

Still have to look at all of the requests that have come through over the.

H

Last month or so fee the must-haves and not just say no without looking at them.

H

Specifically, so that would be an unfair and I'm just looking around yeah, so so.

H

It's I've been serving it out. It's getting us to a much larger number to.

H

Allow us to look at something just what percent we just sit across the board and.

E

I know it's not easy checkers, you know. Sometimes that can't be touched and.

E

Others that are and then state mandates and all that stuff. But it's a quarter.

E

Percent, oh a budget could make up that difference or not, and I can try and work.

B

On that, I don't have an answer, for you makes eight we would have. We would have.

B

To look through everything and say: where are the places where you can't apply it.

B

And then do the do the math on what's left, you know on reducing funding to the.

B

Infrastructure- I just thought about something else. I think I need to say.

B

Here you know the message I've been coming to you with is I'm concerned that.

B

We're underfunding our infrastructure and I've started, bringing you some of.

B

The pieces and I feel pretty confident that by.

B

We get to the end and we've got that one big number: what do we need an average.

B

Annual basis to continue renewing our infrastructure, I think it's going to be.

B

A number that not only aren't we funding but we'll feel like well how, in the.

B

World can we possibly do that with that? As my starting point, you know any idea.

B

That we're going to start backing off of our funding. It's a significant concern.

B

H

But we also have that $1,000,000 in the reserve. If something does happen, that.

H

Would cause something you know: do it to break that we can it that we can reach.

H

Out to I mean if we took 10% off of these you if it would took 5% off of.

H

These it would be significant and, unfortunately- and I understand what.

H

You're saying it absolutely, but it's hard to understand if this is the bare.

H

Bones or if there's a little bit of mean gristle on these bullets, gonna be taking.

H

Off their large without the out-years right you can or the out here yeah two.

E

Through five years, so just talk about 5% in both areas: technology and the endless.

H

And the renovations and a lot of the renovations has to do with the detention.

H

Center yeah, when you save meditations now there are occasionally what you.

B

Might call renovation projects in here, but mostly this is this- is maintenance.

B

Infrastructure at sweet sout also, it does look like that. It does say.

H

Renovation, but it does look like it's maintenance. We were to do 5% on each one.

H

Of these, what would it look like on the out years.

A

Simple manage that.

H

So it would be approximately 30 or less per year.

H

For if you did 5% for about 500,000.

C

130 in one year, no one fiscally your 20 would be about two million dollars 5%. Oh.

E

Yeah you're right great fifty books, 80s one your rates 130 on the 25. I was like.

A

This right, yeah, that's all good, so it'd be six who's 10% in no.

C

These negatives yeah, but it's a 5% increase, decrease in technology and a.

B

Lot of the maintenance- it's not touching people.

H

So I'm gonna make a motion that we move forward with this five percent reduction.

H

In both systems and technology right, I'm sorry.

B

124 side, all right, so you'll save that service. Those amounts. Okay, yeah. It's.

H

Gonna be lots but I'm still gonna be making that same motion. I agree.

A

Well, I want to see the number before us. You guys tell me some good news. There.

H

Ted all right, you guys tell me some good news.

D

We'll keep looking, I know, like eighty thousand bucks.

B

And you know all the things you guys are struggling through trying to think about.

B

This we've struggled through devoting many more hours to it. Then you're going.

B

To do here and in the problem is they're. They're truly aren't any easy choices to.

B

Make anymore everything comes with a cost here.

B

It cost you know, in consequence,.

C

So because you've got 100,000.

H

Yes, why everybody I stand with that.

A

Their second that when you stick with five percent reduction in technology,.

H

Five percent reduction system circuit.

A

Okay, any other questions. Yes, we need to vote on that. Well, I mean I'm just.

H

Deterministic to equipment operations, I want to stay away from people and.

H

Pocketbooks and we're gonna get there and, like I said, we still have all those.

H

A

Alright, let's vote on that all in favor all right.

A

I

What are the projected salary increases for next year?.

I

3 and 4%: yes, why doesn't I get linked to the 1.8% in revenue growth? I mean if.

C

We're only as a businessman if we're only having one point: 8 percent growth.

I

In our income, it makes no sense for me to have our salary increases, exceed or.

I

Revenue growth, okay, first, that number is 2 point 1. Now, since we changed that we.

B

Added the 911 right then for the 2 point 1. Then it's not two point one. Every year.

B

Through through the plan it bounces around between three and four four four.

B

Percent and looking at the bottom line is it's difficult here, because there are.

B

Other things that go into that number like transferring money from the capital.

B

Fund to the general fund to pay for debt service on school projects. So that's not.

B

Always the best indicator, if you want to say how revenue growing looking at the.

B

Subtotal for annual revenues is a better measure, but then to get to your answer.

B

It's not linked because we've never made a choice to make that that link. I mean.

I

If we entertained that, would that save us a substantial mound money if we made.

I

Them their salary increases to point one percent. I serve three and four does that.

I

Amount to anything well, yes, you know we talked about little.

B

Bit earlier, one percent on the sheriff is about $180,000, one percent.

B

Everybody else is about 375 that sounds substantial. It is.

G

I have a suggestion, got a bunch of people. Who'll kill me for this.

G

Suggestion but I have a suggestion: there is a project that facilities has been.

G

Wanting to do for a long time in our permits office to renovate the permits.

G

Office to modernize it make it more more workable and safer for our staff, but.

G

It's funded finally, the first time in the fy 2008 and it does have cash. It's.

G

Four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars that you could take if you want.

G

It it's in the facilities budget, it doesn't show up as a as a line of its.

G

Own, it's part number that you were talking about. Oh I'm, sorry yeah! It's.

B

It's not in the number you were looking at. We we talked about the facilities.

B

Budget, the operating budget last time it wasn't that big number.

A

Was that was that, yes, I thought we had just a lump sum in there correct for.

A

Various improvements in the building this one is specific. No, we budget a lot.

A

Of specific projects I mean it kind of small, is we need a door there or.

B

Something like this, okay, of course now that would be one one time, so you have.

B

The savings in 20 doesn't do anything for the plan administrator with him have.

G

A lot of birds who help me with this can't I can't pretend to be, but I mean.

G

Basically, what you did with technology is, you know around that same cost, and so.

G

And and the system renovations I mean, if you're taking that deep down and just.

E

Just a question here: sleep does all service for all agencies.

E

Or a lot of agencies right? Yes, what do we charge per hour for their services.

G

Forty five forty forty five dollars an hour twenty five hours now.

E

If we were to increase that rate just $10 an hour, what would that do you are? I.

B

Don't know when I doubt that stephanie prepared that now with that.

K

But I have that fy 18 revenues for maintenance. It was about three hundred.

K

And seventy five thousand dollars? Okay, so if it was easy as easy as just.

B

Changing that you'd get thirty or forty thousand, as you think about this, though.

B

Need to go back to why why we did it. Basically, we do these. This work for.

B

Other agencies, because the commissioners offered that up as a benefit to them.

B

Instead of you know offering them more for for now, I'm not saying that if you.

B

Do this, you have to give some a more funding but increasing the costs. You.

B

Know will be an increased cost to the agencies are receiving this yeah. So many.

G

Of the nonprofit's a lot of the nonprofit's, even the sheriff's office,.

K

Of our grant, agencies like housing get charged, I mean is that is that our own.

E

Money just being given back or is it actually significant that we could.

E

Increase them well in some places, somebody if somebody wanted to continue.

B

Coming to us, they would be paying you money so like if it was. I think, youth.

B

Service bureaus okay. So if you said you service bureau, the charge is now 55.

B

Dollars they would have to come up with the money now you already know, because.

B

Yeah you hear from them about your funding. You know, you know what concerns.

B

They have about their budgets, so you can do it just need to know that the you did.

B

It for people that you wanted to help, so it will have impact on them.

A

A good thought to increase. Well, I know those things I mean we talked about you.

A

Got a work group that you were working on the permits to remember the permit.

A

Okay structure there, I think we actually did increase a little bit the area we.

E

Did years ago, I'm just looking at 45 hours and hours a.

E

Really rough reasonable rate for it's got used a lot of it in private sectors.

E

What 1930 hours depends what you're doing and it's yeah and everybody.

B

Recognizes that, because I mean you basically not you, but as a county we've.

B

We've done that to provide basically a benefit to it, to agencies that we have.

B

Some interest in some of the missed some of the municipalities come to us as well.

B

West westminster so, and I'm not saying any of this as an argument against just.

B

Just saying their baggage comes along with it, I think it's worth looking at it.

A

So exactly so that does that's cheap.

H

That would still be cheap, very changed. Well, what do you say? We picked up around.

I

30 to 35 thousand, if that I miss to too low it's about 80,000 atm.

H

Look at increasing rates with individuals for sure that increasing.

H

Rates for maintenance and people. Why not.

E

If somebody wants to take the vehicle elsewhere, they can they're not gonna.

E

Find any cheaper any better service. I mean this guys do a tremendous job. The.

H

Convenience. Thank you at all hours of the day and night they're there they.

E

Give something emergency vehicle when they get it up and running.

A

Not sure what do you all you also you want to put that in there or what.

H

Would that be a decision that we make yeah, I guess so anyhow $45 dollars and.

H

We're basing it on last year's revenue, no that's just the number that was.

B

Established, it's not, it doesn't change.

H

Who is f, my 18 actuals? What's your suggest, I've just pulled a number out.

A

Yeah, I think you just asked a good question when's the last time that.

A

Thieves increased. We know that I I'm getting I'm getting that that it's that.

G

The board some time ago has already approved a five five dollar increase.

G

Okay, so when from 40 to 45 yeah that I went from 40 to 45, we're not sure when.

B

That happened, how you said sometime in the last ten years: okay,.

A

And you thought you were saying that we have we, we approved a five dollar.

A

Increase over the next couple years, what that's might that? Okay? So, yes, so.

G

Yeah some huh nope, you know getting messages from.

J

Wherever that that um this was handled, there was a rate increase sometime ago.

G

When we had a prior bureau chief here, um it's 250 so but I'm not getting any more.

G

Details well didn't get missed that because it's not listed.

A

The board, if the board approved it, I'm sure budget would fattest it's in the.

A

Web's and at 45 that's not true yeah. If were you saying, we don't have.

B

Any no revenue projections, if you don't have any revenue projects notice, we just.

B

Saying that it was a decision that was made, though it is in our revenue.

A

Projections at 45: that's what public works staff is telling me that it was.

G

Approved to feed 50 at some point, but I'm but I'm not getting any detail who's.

A

Got that port knife or heard nothing but 45, we can check it out yeah. We know what.

A

Revenue is coming in right now, I'm only suggesting somebody a mistake. I'm just.

A

Saying that, if that is a decision that was made at some point, I'd like to know.

A

Where that decision, we're right well, we'll find out more details, budget.

G

Would have it I'm sure yeah if you got that decision was made by previous board.

A

I know our folks would have it say right. Well we're in the interim to make it.

A

Look better over the easter holiday, let's put 80 thousand in there I'll make.

A

H

Okay, while we we need to check on this rv at 45 or 50 s, really what you're.

B

Saying is a $10 increase than 55 is what you suggested is that right, commissioner,.

J

Weaver finish, but if it, if we are at 50 now, which is it going to 60, okay,.

E

He'll still give us the 80,000 right. Well, I just want to make sure if that's.

A

The end yes, yes, that's the intent. How can increase at $10 wherever it is right.

A

Now, god, okay.

A

All in favor, that's across the show, the nonprofit's.

H

Currently, we are providing 83%, no be berries, make varying in this chart. Yes,.

I

Page 23 you'll see so I would like to see them going to page 32 you'll see the.

I

Percentage yeah, you have a small boys. Anyway, wasn't you had a good three.

D

Percent across the board, because some of them are less than that it doesn't make.

D

Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense to me to summer one summer to do threes and.

D

Fives, it just doesn't make sense to move them all to three percent. What cost.

B

About thirty, five thousand and twenty and grow two thousand two hundred and.

B

Fifty thousand by 25 really and they base a lot of this on their brand.

E

Funding to write- or this is used to what do you mean they base the leverage? Oh.

B

Sure yeah in many cases are funding they use to go after other funds.

B

And there was a time when we were growing them by the same general.

B

Assumption that we applied with often three sometimes two and a half, probably.

B

The 59th board started saying few different ones for red and that.

B

Continued through the last board.

G

uh Mr. frasier, just what everyone's thinking you had asked about sources of.

G

Strength but the board of heads weighed in staff shared that to complete the.

G

Required training in order to expand to all middle and high schools. It would.

G

Incur approximately $14,000, I said 30 bucks, but anyway we have the additional.

D

Funding to handle that anyway, so I decided not a problem, but it's good to.

D

Know thank you on the repair cost just for context. Public works estimates that.

B

To cover their costs would be, the rate would be about $75.

A

So what are you suggesting? Can we put it up to 75? Oh no. I just thought it'd be.

B

Useful to know, though, I understand that that's actually that $75 per hour charge.

A

Is typically what you get when you go to the service place around harry? What I.

E

Can't charge he's a weekend he's making far more than that at the fire.

A

Department's, so this also is not a suggestion, but this is one of those.

B

Things that is a commission of choice. Do you think, there's nothing that.

B

Requires you to offer this at all you again.

B

You know offered it as a benefit to agencies. We have some relationships with.

I

But there's a human factor too: you could ever reduce consumption. You may raise.

I

Rates less people usually, actually I don't think that would hurt. I think we.

E

Get the fleet creep if I get the name right here every time somebody wants to keep a vehicle or have another vehicle added.

E

Keeps creeping in more and more and more for these guys, a little less public.

E

Wouldn't make still breathing right, we we try very hard not to let that happen.

E

I know you try hard not to let it happen, but it does. It does there's a lot of it.

G

Gets about what the old ones good we'd like to eat it I like to use it as a.

E

Spare and all of a sudden that spare gets used more and more and more and.

E

Maybe resources that you know does gramado us and the reason for replacing.

G

It in the first place, you know there was a valid reason to replace it, because it.

G

Had reached its end of life, you know he's causing costing more money. Yes, I.

I

Just replaced vehicles at my business because of that factors cost me a lot of.

I

Money just to me so if they end up keeping them, then we're really a double.

G

Whammy, not only is there an extra cost because there just happens to be an.

G

Extra vehicle, but you're also keeping an expensive vehicle to keep and just so.

G

You all know you know my view on this is if we replacing the vehicle, the other.

B

Vehicle should go away, it's not even saving a question for me.

I

Let's see we have two percent increase in our public school funding. I'm really.

I

Hitting on this 2%, I really think that we should not increase their employees.

I

Salaries in excess of 2%, I'm talking about err, county employees outside the.

I

School system, our employees, the sheriff's department that police this.

I

Building everyone under our payroll should be restricted to two percent pay.

I

Increase so does not exceed what we have an increased revenue. I'm really hung up.

I

On this, given salary increases in excess of a revenue increase, it's.

I

Just the practicality of it I mean we'd love to give their employees more money.

I

But we don't have more money coming in. That's just the sad reality of what.

I

We're faced with, I have to say what I said earlier.

D

Obviously, I'm opposed to that because that was actually given more money than.

D

What they're getting right now, but we don't happen to. I know that, but I'm just that's where I stand and you don't want to razor everything those taxes.

I

Note that, but predominantly this board is so softly, it's not right. I mean it is.

I

An increase is it's not as large of an increase? No, I think, philosophy aside, I'm.

H

I don't agree, I think we should maintain the salary increases. We then we gotta.

I

Come up with the money, I have no philosophy on this. This is all about.

H

Just straight up numbers, and yes, I said you need to get the money it's here. We.

E

Just have well, we work for four years at a flat rate. We don't get an increase in.

I

Four years whose weight the board, I say I if I could, I would give some of that.

H

Put back in the pockets, your salaries aren't a funding issue, though right yeah.

I

But I'm saying, if we're talking about increases, we operate for four years on.

I

The same salary, no, but it's, but we could there's no money. I mean that's not it's.

H

Not to the county to decide after that state and state. So it's it's a flat.

E

H

But it has nothing so no. I want to keep the salaries the only discretionary.

H

Flexible money that we have that's just not allocated to any things that one.

H

Billion dollars, so the only discretionary funds that we have not.

H

Allocated to some specific is 1 million dollars that could be allocated towards.

H

This ok, so there's a safety net which again wait a minute. It's not correct.

A

Just only take 1% of that and put it into them now, that's after after we've.

B

Already accounted for that, oh so that's afternoon,.

A

The other four we keep talking about this four million okay you're talking.

A

About the four million that we're currently seeing for hoping to see at.

A

The end of the numbers that I'm talking about an already known number yeah this.

B

This does not have anything to do with what happens in nineteen this this be as.

B

Of fiscal year 18 or the beginning of 19th and you chained, its full million.

H

Dollars right so that is our safety net to use which is recommended from you and.

H

Understood not to use as it's been used in the past in a similar fashion, but.

H

That is a safety net to use that will take away the thoughts of salary.

H

Decreases that would take away taxes that would take away ag preservation.

H

Touching it all things that I want to maintain, and it would allow us to look.

H

At requirements they were levied on us over to those last month, or so at least.

H

Have a discussion, but that's that's that magic number that's there! Well, I.

A

Understand that but you're suggesting that you take that all the way. But I.

H

Know that that is discretionary funds that are not allocated to a specific.

H

Item that is available for us to have a discussion, further discussion and that's.

H

You know no, I'm not looking at saying take $40, I'm just saying we gotta be.

H

Aware of that- and we took our eye off that ball for a little bit because it.

H

Was recommends it for all the right reasons, but it's one-time money and I.

D

Would like there's some one-time things that are.

D

Coming up that, I would like to try to plug that is possible yeah. I agree.

D

Possibly fit me that that's what I'm saying is that's money available.

H

Discussions when we talk about what are some apartments there's also money.

H

Available to look at the out-years, we could it's not preferred way, but it is a.

H

Way- and I would absolutely be looking at that much further than that's right so.

A

What you're suggesting is it just take some of that get us balanced out and.

A

Then take a little bit more of it, maybe put towards one possibly or four. What.

H

Other requirements I mean there were some directors came to us for hey you're,.

H

At the top position they need must have right. Here are contingencies that want.

H

To go to county employees, you know that we're discussing so there are not just.

H

One time, but there are you, know, personnel issues that I think should be.

H

Addressed and these are dollars that we can address it with, so I have much.

H

Better appetite for that than I do for talking any tax increases or any salary.

H

Decreases I'll put that way, let me clarify no one said they want to.

I

Decrease salaries only decrease to rate increase, because you see that, with the.

I

State government agency s for a 5% increase, they get 3%, they say they were.

I

Creased or decrease their budget by 2% and that's not a reality. You know I.

I

Don't want to decrease anyone's salary, I'm just saying we don't have the.

I

Financial ability to increase it at the rate that is desired, we increase it at a.

I

Lower rate- and I don't see anything philosophically wrong with that under.

I

Such economic times, you know, I've survived my business.

I

Through some very hard times or I've had to let people go where.

I

They're unemployed, that was very painful. We're not letting anyone go we're just.

I

I'm just justin that we should reduce the rate of.

I

Increase upon their salaries, they're still employed and it'll be making more.

I

Money than they're making this year, I don't see anything wrong with that. I.

H

Just worked, I said we keep it 3 &, 4 percent, on the possibility of using this.

B

4 million to make other things happen, we're focused on a 20 through 25, but.

B

Just remember if, if we're funding ongoing costs with this 26 is gonna roll.

B

Up and right wait that this won't address it in unless we address it in.

H

The next budget, yeah offices and so but but but know the points while taking.

H

That you're right after 25 it is turn to pump the unless it's addressed, to follow.

H

Along so and yeah, there always has to be a last year. We can't kenny. I look.

H

Forever, yep, but just don't lose. No. We were talking about the eldersburg.

B

Precincts, I said in 26, you're gonna be adding $700,000 a year of new costs to.

B

Your bottom line correct, so if we kind of build in an.

B

Imbalance for 26 and you added something like that and again we have you know.

B

Kerwin and the fire transition all these other things coming that aren't captured.

B

In this six years it may come with time we get hit hard enough. We're gonna have.

E

To make some significant changes, but presently I think we're trying to live.

E

Within our means- and I appreciate that from ever I mean it's a tough thing when you I had the same battle at home, it's my wife.

E

Have to live within our means and that's where we have to go. Actually it's the.

E

Opposite she tells us anywhere else to go. The same type thing were: tells you.

E

Where to go, that's why you have a successful.

A

Marriage, but you know we have x amount of dollars x, amount to spend. We gotta.

E

Find it and we try to do, but the point is that x amount of dollars includes.

H

That four million dollars- that's there. It is part of that x, amount of dollars.

H

That is discretionary for our use and I believe, we're in a position to look at.

H

That use cusp rate right there, we're talking. You know, four, six, eight hundred.

H

Thousand right there and you'd still have thirty to 3.2 million discretionary.

H

To use- and I like that approach not to bounce around too much, but we have an.

B

Answer the $40 an hour went into effect fully into effect in fiscal year. 12. You.

B

Have what fiscal year, twelve forty or fifty forty, the forty forty wow.

H

So I never was fifty right. Your might still be more to the story. Okay, okay,.

A

Okay, yeah cuz. Obviously it's 45 now yeah I haven't given up yet on making it 75.

A

I'm not but uh balances budget so.

H

Dollars my place we have put in front of us now. Look at okay. Here is the funds so.

H

If we were to move like x amount of dollars- and we could say two million of.

H

That dollars front and then look at the requirements.

H

With the ability to then put it back to where it belongs, if there's anything.

H

Left over, when you say, put two men up front: what are you saying put it into an.

H

Orbit ray number, I'm putting it in front of us.

H

It'll, zero out now here's the bottom line. Then we can look at the.

H

Requirements have been levied on us over the last month, start looking at it, and.

H

Where we are we're at, if that is enough, and suffice is that's great.

H

If it's not, we still have two million to look at if it is and there's left over.

H

We have the ability to take that those funds and put it back to the one-time.

H

Available funds so but you have to start somewhere. So my recommendation and.

H

Motion is to take two million dollars and move it to the top one boy: stop it.

E

And move it to, however, you want to say it up front, so we keep playing the.

H

Bottom line back up to the bottom line across each year. Well, I think I'm not.

H

Sure how yeah again, I'm not I'm gonna, but you got I'm not sure how to move.

H

Forward with it, if you want to spread it across each year, if you want to put it.

H

In 20 and then it just as we move along well there's, no, there would be no.

B

Nothing gained by putting it in 20 yeah, so I said: if you have money either way.

A

So it would be better to spread it if you're gonna do that you're almost ready.

H

And that's fine, I'm just saying: let's put it: 22 22 22.

D

So you looking at 5,000 a year for those years.

H

Well, it's beyond that! It's gonna! Do it that way that that's the way to do it.

H

And then yeah there you go yeah right: okay,.

H

Use of one-time funds- that is my motion.

A

All right, sir! Well, let's see what it does today, I'm.

E

Not sure, well, okay, that's my motion there. A second.

A

Well, math teacher, coming out of in there.

E

Skies warm all right, that's that's again! It's a.

A

Place over over my face all in favor aye.

A

That five opposed sorry about that. I think it's all up. You get that. Ladies.

A

I

Don't tell me that.

D

Before we look at additional stuff, no I'm saying I see. Okay, you look at right.

A

Positions, we got that two-point piston this year, right yeah, but it's all going.

D

Right, you keep in mind everything here we got a, but we still have two hundred.

E

Thirty thousand right we've had yes, that's I'm talking about just at two.

D

Hundred thirty thousand, actually that's just for twenty, because we took it out.

A

Of it, okay, now, in still in twenty one.

H

They did it, they did it an anticipation of this year right twenty. They were.

B

Requested for this budget process right, I don't.

J

I gotta find oh yeah now some of these have been requested before, but right yes,.

A

That's correct and that's kind of where I'm going this is these: are positions.

H

That are not just all of a sudden, hey the same position. I need conversation so.

H

You had much more insight on the list we have here. We have a committee together.

D

Look at all positions that were recommending needs of top ones that came with their brews and service shows. So it's not just.

D

That they, you know, other people look at this to know what you're doing won't.

I

This throw us out of balance in the out-years, say it again. Well that needs position now, because that's already built in just.

D

Two hundred thirty thousands already built in italy. We put that in a couple years ago, its budgeted and every year of the plan, okay yeah. So I'm saying: what's.

H

The delta between the four and two thirty and that's the actual cost that.

H

We would have to be budgeted if you're gonna have, if we're gonna, add all four.

H

Of them right right, my the nine one, one positions over there, they're asking for.

B

For russians, so it depends on how you want to approach us. I mean you could do.

B

One two three or four or nine right, so there's three positions and then you're.

B

Right between one and four positions, if, okay, if we put if you have the same.

D

Award as I have a mic, the human resources position, the land and resource.

D

Management and two of the 9-1-1 positions in what does that come out to.

D

J

Yes, so when I was looking at my thinking on, this is because of the two 9-1-1.

D

Positions and all the overtime this experience in that area, perhaps the.

D

Second position going to speak for itself.

D

I didn't reduction of overtime, which we'd have to wait to see that actually.

J

Happen yeah. Well, I would ted and I both feel that's probably pretty good idea.

D

I'm all for holding for filling news, but I'm still honing hope that yeah we're.

D

Gonna get through the next gen 9 1 1 to it and put that towards those positions.

A

Okay, remember: we did increase that funding from one point two to two point.

B

1 million dollars- that's already in the mix here, it could end up still being.

B

More and if the, if the fee change doesn't cover our costs, it will be in.

B

Your hands to change our local rate to generate it, correct, which is kind of.

A

Where I'm going on, I don't know what did yes and beyond, but yet so we won't need.

E

Them here well: well, I mean from what I've heard. I think that the need is so.

D

Urgent for those positions, I would like to try to get two of them out of this.

D

Money hopefully, like I said, one of them will be covered with the reduction of.

D

You know so we could do all you know the basic.

D

Four positions were 30 seconds, keep in mind, we're growing government here well,.

D

Yeah but we're growing government, it's a lot less than it was 10 years ago.

E

Yeah, but I mean he's everybody: this is a growth of government. Well, it's it's.

H

Worth of safety security on to and then to understand, government positions, I.

H

Don't really look at it as growing government dick, because we cut a hundred.

A

Position right how many years yeah, but now this is sort of like we'll keep.

E

Adding couple each year come out of that. Well, we haven't, but I'm just saying this.

E

Is a growth might be aware, be young is just like it. It's like a sprout well.

E

Yeah through the general public out there watching this process, this is a.

E

Growth of government you're right, it is a message justice where he sees what you.

H

Said that there's two hundred thirty thousand allocated already so this is so.

H

What's the delta between these the two thirty and two and whatever number you.

H

Have so raise your scenario, correct.

C

Right with add up to 320, yeah yeah, so so, basically we'd be funding. Ninety.

H

Thousand into them into the budget, I'd like to hold on sipping something.

D

Because I truly believe- and I think I think we're gonna exceed what you put in.

A

With but we again, we've got the ability to add a little bit to that. If we have.

A

To which I will tell you right now, I will not.

A

I'll probably add if we have to that thing, because I don't think that's a big.

A

Deal and I'll continue to say a little bit to the cell phone or cell sanjay. I.

J

Mean that that spirit, that is okay, so I don't want to use that word. I used in.

A

The big out of those four position taters and one of those position being.

H

Poor people but support for goethe positions, you're saying those top two.

H

Out of the four are the ones that you believe should be addressed and filled.

H

That's what you're saying you believe should be filled. It should, but I'm.

D

Willing to go yeah miss your answers. Web safety guy right.

D

I don't know awful father's leave, but I'll say we'll go with it. Yes and take.

D

Those two out, but that list, if I get the other three and but but you still.

H

Ashamed like this, without yes yeah but you're, the hr and resource management.

H

But but you are saying that the public safety specialists are a must fill yeah.

A

I would you believe, they're gonna be filled also. I just wanna make sure that's funny an oregon against that I'd like to just get a little bit more yeah.

A

Before I that's fair, do we need to change the public safety.

I

Specialist in two instead of four yeah, we did that we're gonna try to take down.

I

How she did the calculation I mean it says four up there still on her right.

B

That's just what was requested all right. What if we did the what, if we did, the.

A

Woody, what are you doing? Okay, because I was gonna, suggest the hr, the resource.

A

Management position and the client analyst in technology services, one two.

C

And four, what you say that I saw: how did I okay.

C

That's right, one: two and four, then: okay,.

C

Okay: okay, that's good all right it and I agree with this, but in the anticipation.

A

I get a better handle on those four by tuesday, okay, because I can, I think I can.

A

Do that I had a brief conversation the other day and I'm gonna delve more into.

A

It on monday and we'll be prepared to address it when you find out yeah. That's.

H

Wrong, that's on the 9-1-1 positions, krishna.

B

Wins took a position, I don't know about the rest of you, but if the board is going to be willing to raise the the local 9-1-1 fee, then we will be able to.

B

Fund, you know, whatever positions in 9-1-1, you think is appropriate based.

A

Upon yes, yeah and again click next-gen coming, there's no doubt in my mind that.

A

We have to have those positions, but I want to fund them through that fee. If we.

A

Don't have an out period, what was for more cash, three dollars or something.

E

370 pose yeah, I believe all counties are capped at seventy five cents.

C

Yeah, no, he was talking about. Are you talk about the latest yeah decision that.

A

They made to do something with they added a tax or something down there. On.

A

My cellphone, it's different for more, it's a different yeah, that's it! They.

H

Predicted stuff yeah, that's a different thing, but so what you're saying that.

H

These are must fills regardless yeah and we will find the funding whether it's.

H

Raising the rates pond right, so we put the one two and four and.

H

I don't care what governor signed that day today was bill signing and I'm.

A

Hopeful he signed this one because I don't know so that would be my.

A

Suggestion- and we can weigh in at the time, but I'm gonna be very adamant about.

A

When it comes up, if we need to increase that feat, then you're gonna hear me.

A

Cheering from the highest ledge that we're gonna do it that another forty one.

D

Thousands in the beginning is going to come out of the bottom line and we have right now and yes, yes, how second it what so it looks like: okay, yeah you all with.

A

Us up there, okay, all in favor of that all right, I I'll pose it. Okay, you read.

A

It to you didn't give you a chance to say opposed.

J

All right, so is that what happens? No wait a minute, it's not in there yet.

H

Oh yes, it is okay, so the positions all right well, I would suggest it's four.

A

We've got tuesday all day and I would suggest that we pick it up tuesday,.

A

Morning with our and that's kick, do we have that list, but one list of all those.

H

Asks in one place yes, first day he's handed up yeah I've got. I got you're.

H

Ahead of me somewhere: okay, I'm sure it's in this thing, so if you can, if you can.

H

You're scheduled to start on tuesday at 9:00 o'clock would any appetite, maybe to.

B

Start earlier yeah, I don't know how much time you're gonna need yeah, there's.

B

Still a lot of questions hanging out there is we're slated from 9:00 to 12:00.

A

And 1:00 to 9:00 to 12:00 1:00 to 4:00, okay, y'all start at 86 what you all want.

A

To start at 8:00 or 8:30, I'm about where eight would stay at nine.

A

It's it's! It's really about you, guys, smits! So what how much time you think.

B

You need I'm afraid, let's bring doughnuts.

J

What's the appetite today and it's line dick make it easy on yourself airhead. I.

A

Can work with a not that easy all right, let's readjust this schedule.

A

To reflect, but the agenda like an atm start on tuesday and we'll leave it one.

A

For right now, but we talked about it last year, the year before we went.

A

History for the last day, yes, we might talk about midnight oil at 4:00, back 20s,.

A

For absolutely, we may have to do that, but we'll make that agenda adjustments.

A

Accordingly, based on where we are at lunchtime on no tuesday.

A

Yeah well on your agenda, there's no ending time! It's just whether or not you.

G

Make your appointments elsewhere, so I just suggest you don't and then you're.

G

Flexible we're going the right direction, good.

H

It's tuesday, oh yeah, 30, okay, all right, we'll see what.

A

Right now we'll do that all right anything else circuit. I got a motion in.

A

Second, do adjourn all in favor all right. I have a blessed weekend.

A

Thank you all yours.