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Consent Agenda: 04:55
Item 1: 10:27 (CCUSD Override)
Item 2: 42:17 (Water Rates)
Item 3: 46:55 (Financial Officer)
Item 4: 49:08 (Financial Officer)
Item 5: 50:45 (PM-10 Certified Sweeper)
Item 6: 56:04 (Trailer Mounted Vacuum Unit)
Item 7: 1:02:14 (Case Z-22-01 Vickers)
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C
A
B
A
Here,
I'm,
all
president
accounted
for
and
executive
session
will
be
held
for
the
purpose
of
council
discussion,
consultation
Direction
too,
and
legal
advice
from
town
attorney
pursuant
to
Arizona,
revised
Statute
38-431.03
Prince,
a
prince
3
and
Prince
4
regarding
Maricopa
County,
Parks
and
Recreation
intergovernmental
agreement.
Second
item
is
Council
discussion,
consultation,
Direction,
two
and
legal
advice
from
count
attorney
pursuant
to
Arizona
advisation
38.
A
C
D
A
A
Thank
you,
sir
public
announcements.
I'll
be
real,
happy
someday
when
the
local
news
media
figures
out
that
40th,
Street
and
Ashley
Hills
is
nowhere
near
Cave,
Creek
and
Carefree
Highway
I
have
threatened
to
send
them
maps
of
our
of
our
political
boundaries.
So
they
know
whenever
they
report
things,
they
can
actually
be
accurate.
But
apparently
that's
not
a
big
important
thing
for
the
news.
A
Media
smile,
Mr,
Sims
foreign
I
have
nothing
else,
I
other
than
to
say
that
we're
moving
away
from
the
from
the
monsoon
season,
the
weeds
that
have
grown
that
we've
got
are
going
to
dry
out.
So
we
want
to
be
very
careful
with
activities
around,
but
we
don't
have
a
March
of
our
May
of
2020
2020.
It
would
not
be
good
call
to
the
public.
E
E
Folks,
how
are
you
happy
Monday
anyway,
Bob
Russell
guests
are
City
Sun
Times,
the
Northeast
Valley
newspaper.
We
covered
the
area
from
Black
Canyon
City
down
to
Camelback
east
of
I-17
to
Pima
DC
Ranch
Fountain
Hills,
including
Anthem.
We
play
a
major
role
in
bringing
Folks
up
here
to
spend
their
money
and
have
fun
in
Cave
Creek.
So
there
you
go
now
I'm
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
20
Things
We
Love
About,
Cave
Creek,
everybody
loves
Cave,
Creek
right,
unfortunately,
not
all
the
local
businesses
are
supportive
of
our
efforts.
E
E
E
A
To
report
all
right,
no
non-action
items
action
item
we
had
the
consent
agenda
agenda
item
number
one
on
there
is
approval
of
the
August
4th
2022
special
Town
Council
work
session
minutes
number
two
is
approvably:
August
15,
2022,
regular
council
meeting
minutes
three
is
approval
of
the
August
23rd
2022
special
Town
Council
work
session
minutes
and
number
four
is
approval
of
a
number
12
restaurant
liquor
license
for
t-box
indoor
golf
club.
There's
a
typo
there,
as
requested
by
Jeffrey
Craig
Miller,
the
agent.
F
A
Be
well,
we
would,
we
would
have
to
pull
it.
We
would
have
to
pull
it
from
the
consent
agenda.
We
would
pass
the
the
first
three
items.
Then
we
would
pull
that
one
in
and
discuss
it
separately
separately
and
then,
okay,
we'll
remove
it.
So
we'll
just
vote
on
the
items,
one
through
three,
which
are
the
minutes.
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
those
so.
A
F
B
F
F
I
Then
Fernando
put
the
building
on
the
market
the
day
we
got
that
approval
and
I
bought
it
so
that
I
don't
have
to
build
it
and
it's
a
stunning
building.
So
we
took
the
space
that
they
have
and
maximize
it
for
what
we
feel
would
be.
You
know
the
best
opportunity
to
utilize
the
space
so
in
this
location
over
here
we
didn't
think
we'd
have
any
walk
up.
You
know
business,
it
would
be
people
coming
as
a
pure
destination.
There
I
feel
we're
also
a
pure
destination,
with
the
benefit
of
the
walk-up
right.
I
That
Center
has
never
had
an
anchor
which
is
depressing
to
me.
That's
the
anchor
it's
been
basically
bacon
or
a
warehouse,
and
so
for
the
walk-up
traffic
we'll
get
for
the
people
that
are
there
if
they
don't
have
their
clubs
or
didn't
come
to
golf
I'm
gonna
have
a
place
for
them
to
sit
outside
it'd,
be
weird
to
not
utilize
the
entire
space
so
we'll
set
up
that
entire
space,
which
is
on
the
outside
than
it
is
on
the
inside
to
what
extent
it'll
be
utilized,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know,
and.
F
I
I
A
A
A
In
favor,
aye
opposed
I
clearly
have
it
moving
on
General
agenda
item
number
one
which
is
presentation
of
November
2022
Cave
Creek
Unified
School
District,
CC
USD,
override
by
ccusd
Cave
Creek,
Unified,
School,
District,
superintendent,
Dr
Court
Monroe
good
evening.
It
says:
I
put
this
on
the
edge
okay.
K
Good
evening,
mayor
Bunch
members
of
the
council,
I
appreciate
being
back
with
you
again
tonight
and
allowing
myself
and
let's
see,
Rodriguez
our
Chief
Financial
Officer
to
do
a
short
information
to
the
council,
we're
kind
of
doing
this
road
show
and
presenting
the
facts
everywhere.
We
go.
That's
what
we
do
in
our
roles.
As
my
father
taught
me,
you
can
have
your
own
opinion,
but
you
can't
have
your
own
facts,
and
so
we
are
out
to
make
sure
that
we
are
very
clear
about
those
facts.
K
I
want
you
to
know
that
this
PowerPoint
is
online.
In
addition,
there's
also
a
frequently
Asked
question
document
so
before
I
start
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
extend
an
invitation
to
the
council
and
everyone
who's
in
the
audience.
We
have
another
home
football
game,
this
Friday,
it's
actually
our
community
Appreciation
Night.
Anyone
over
the
age
of
55
will
get
into
the
football
game
at
Cactus.
Shadows
for
free
will
also
feed
you
and
we
have
a
special
place
for
you
to
sit.
K
So
we
have
really
enhanced
our
Friday
Night
Lights
experience
and
we'd
really
love
for
the
community
to
come
out
and
support
our
boys
they're
playing
some
really
good
ball
young
team,
but
the
game
we
had
two
weeks
ago
was
very
exciting.
So
that's
this
Friday
at
seven
o'clock
for
our
community
football
game.
I
do
want
to
say
a
few
things
right
off
the
bat.
We
do
not
teach
critical
race
theory
in
the
Cave
Creek
Unified
School
District.
Our
curriculum
is
online,
it's
transparent.
K
Eight
audits
last
year,
different
types
of
audits
for
our
school
district
and
the
last
10
years
of
our
audits
are
also
posted
online.
So
the
community
is
able
to
see
that
so
without
further
Ado
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
few
slides
and
mark
tag
team
a
little
bit
on
the
override
and
what
you're
kind
of
hearing
that's
happening
out
in
the
community.
K
K
You'll
hear
me
talk
all
the
time
about
one
team
people
tease
me
about
that
remark
because
I
see
the
school
district
as
a
member
of
the
Greater
Community,
so
we're
partners
with
we're
partners
with
Carefree
we're
partners
with
Scottsdale
and
with
Phoenix,
and
so
when
people
move
into
our
area,
typically
they'll
ask
how
are
the
school,
and
so
we
know
that
we
have
an
impact
on
home
values.
We
know
that
we
have
an
impact
on
educating
the
younger
generation
and
we
take
it
very
seriously.
K
So
we
strive
to
fill
our
mission
through
these
five
priorities
highlighted
in
blue
here,
so
we
would
like
to
flash
this
slide
up,
because
we
want
people
to
know
that
that
we
have
a
plan
and
we're
trying
to
inspire
our
young
people
to
have
a
great
experience
in
our
in
our
schools.
So
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
for
the
next
few
minutes
is
our
challenges.
What
an
override
is
some
teacher
salary
data
and
then
some
facts
and
close.
K
First
of
all,
like
all
public
schools
in
Arizona,
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges
in
the
Cave
Creek
Unified
School
District.
It's
it's
very
well
known
that
per
pupil
funding
in
Arizona
is
one
of
the
lowest
in
the
nation.
That
means
we
receive
our
money
for
our
budget
based
on
student
enrollment
and
the
money.
K
The
formula
that
gives
us
that
amount
of
money
per
student
was
actually
it
was
invented
in
1980,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
have
happened
in
42
years
and
that
formula
hasn't
been
updated
and
so
we're
on
the
lower
end.
So
we
get
a
lower
amount
per
pupil
than
47
other
states
up
in
this
area.
Our
student
enrollment
is
slowly
declining,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that.
K
Typically,
when
families
have
young
kids,
this
is
not
an
area
where
they
can
typically
get
their
start
in
life
and
raise
their
kids
because
of
the
cost
of
living.
We
also
have
empowerment
scholarships
that
vouchers
that
we're
battling
with
we
also
battle
with
private
schools
and
a
charter.
School
parents
have
a
lot
of
choices
for
their
education
in
Arizona,
and
so
that
that
all
impacts
us
here
in
this
area,
we
haven't
been
able
to
pass
a
lot
of
voter
approved
initiatives.
K
Last
year
we
lost
a
bond
election
that
we
had
by
751
votes,
so
there
was
almost
23
000
votes
cast
in
a
non-election
year.
That
was
the
highest
percentage
of
voter
turnout
in
Maricopa
County
and
we
lost
by
751,
so
376
of
those
people
flipped.
We
would
have
passed
that
bond
election
for
facilities,
security,
cameras,
Technologies
school
buses,
a
lot
of
those
things
so
and
then
kind
of
the
elephant
in
the
room.
K
The
primary
reason
for
this
override
is
so
that
we
can
compete
with
our
neighboring
school
districts
to
pay
our
teachers
and
staff
salaries.
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
administrators
would
not
be
paid
with
any
administrators
would
not
be
paid
with
any
of
these
override
monies
that
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
about
tonight.
It
would
be
our
teachers
and
staff,
so
there
are
teachers
that
can
work
at
Deer,
Valley,
Paradise,
Valley
and
Scottsdale
for
six,
seven,
eight,
nine
thousand
dollars
more
a
year
and
a
lot
for
a
lot
of
our
teachers.
K
L
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
bunch
and
members
of
the
council.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what
an
override
is,
so
an
override
gives
school
districts
the
ability
to
raise
additional
funds
to
be
able
to
support
their
programs
and
pay
their
teachers.
What
we
are
asking
for
is
a
15
percent
increase
in
what
our
current
budget
is.
So
we
have
a
formula
and
that
that's
what
we
have
to
budget.
L
That's
what
we
raise
taxes
on
we're,
asking
the
voters
to
pay
an
increase
in
taxes
to
be
able
to
support
another
15
percent.
What
we
have
found
in
our
research
is
that
there
are
55
school
districts
in
Maricopa
County
out
of
those
55.
48
of
them
have
overrides,
and
a
lot
of
them
have
bonds
as
well.
So
these
are
the
districts
that
we
compete
with
for
teachers
for
students,
because
other
districts
are
able
to
offer
programs
or
higher
wages
than
we
are.
So
that
is
the
primary
reason.
L
Why
we're
asking
the
voters
for
this
that
15
increase
will
last
for
a
period
of
seven
years
now,
the
first
five
it's
a
hundred
percent,
but
then
it
goes
down
the
sixth
and
the
seventh,
so
we
would
be
coming
out
and
asking
the
voters
again,
probably
in
that
fourth
and
fifth
year
before
it
goes
down
to
renew
it.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
are
transparent
about
how
we're
spending
that
money,
how
we
are
using
it
the
way
we
say
we're
going
to
use
it.
L
We
will
be
putting
a
community
oversight
committee
in
place
for
them
to
work
and
be
able
to
see
the
financials.
The
books
will
be
open
for
them
and
we
are
really
happy
and
proud
that
our
governing
board
voted
5-0
to
support
this
initiative
and
what
they
said
was:
let's
let
the
voters
decide.
This
is
a
community
initiative.
L
So
when
we
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
sample
of
what
the
tax
rate
is
here
in
K
Creek
and
what
that
history
has
been
so
our
school
district,
so
that's
all
it's
not
just
the
people
who
live
in
the
Cave
Creek
City
boundaries,
but
it's
Cave,
Creek
Carefree,
Rio,
Verde,
North,
Scottsdale,
north
Phoenix,
so
we
Encompass
about
180
square
miles,
pretty
big
District,
so
the
people
that
live
within
those
boundaries.
This
is
what
their
tax
bill
was
last
year.
L
L
When
we
look
at
how
we
compared
to
other
unified
school
districts
in
Maricopa
County,
this
district
has
the
lowest
property
taxes
of
every
Unified,
School,
District
and
I,
ventured
to
say
probably
every
school
district
in
Arizona,
but
we're
just
looking
at
the
unified
districts,
because
those
are
the
K-12
districts
like
us
and
what
you'll
notice
with
some
of
those
higher
tax
rates
is
they
have
an
m
a
b
or
a
c
by
them.
Those
signify
that
these
districts
have
an
anemone
override
a
capital
override,
possibly
and
a
bond.
L
Now,
yes,
that
causes
for
their
tax
rates
to
be
a
little
bit
higher,
but
you'll
notice,
Cave
Creek,
even
at
the
low
end,
is
still
lower
than
Fountain
Hills.
Who
is
our
neighbor,
just
adjacent
east
of
us,
so
at
Cave,
Creek,
Unified,
School
District
has,
though,
is
the
lowest
tax
rate,
and
this
override
will
add
about
21
cents
to
that.
So,
even
if
you
added
21
cents
to
the
dollar
57
and
you
get
a
dollar
78,
we
would
still
be
lower
than
even
Fountain.
L
K
So
let
me
show
you
some
teacher
salary
data,
that's
a
picture
of
our
teacher
of
the
year
event
last
year
with
a
few
of
our
board
members,
which
was
just
an
awesome
event
to
recognize
our
teachers.
So
here's
our
average
teacher
pay
on
the
left.
The
ranking
average
teacher
pay
you'll
see.
Cave
Creek
is
in
the
bottom
15
of
of
average
teacher
pay
here
in
Arizona,
now
you'll
notice,
the
three
red
arrows
there.
Those
are
districts
that
I
consider
are
competitors.
K
The
reason
I
say
that
is
we
share
borders
with
them,
so
they
are
certainly
a
lot
larger
than
us.
I
think
Scottsdale
is
about
2
21
000
in
Deer,
Valley
and
Paradise.
Valley
are
a
lot
larger,
the
hard
thing
that
the
hard
conversations
we
have
is
we'll
have
a
teacher
come
in
and
and
be
really
emotional
and
say:
I'm
sorry,
I
have
to
leave.
The
price
of
gas
is
killing
me.
K
Inflation
is
through
the
roof
and
I
live
in
Scottsdale
and
I
drive
in
15
miles
to
Cave
Creek,
and
they
can
pay
me
eight
thousand
dollars
more.
So
that's
just
a
little
anecdote
of
the
conversations
that
that
we
have.
If
the
override
passes,
we
believe
it
can
hurdle
us
up
into
about
the
30s.
We
can
catch
up
with
Deer
Valley.
We
can
catch
up
with
Paradise
Valley,
with
some
of
the
increases
that
we
can
give
to
teachers
and
staff
and
then
we'd
be
still
behind.
K
Scottsdale
now
remember,
Scottsdale
has
had
kind
of
the
override
support
and
we
haven't
had
an
override
for
for
quite
a
while.
So
that's
a
very
telling
slide.
Now.
Here's
a
map
of
our
school
districts,
like
Marcy,
said
on
the
Cave
Creek
Unified
School
District
is
close
to
180
square
miles.
You
can
see
us
there
in
the
yellow
and
you
can
see
our
our
competitors.
Deer
Valley
Scottsdale
and
Paradise
Island.
You
can
see
their
average
teacher
pay
now.
K
The
next
slide
gets
a
little
jumbled,
but
what
I
want
to
tell
you
is
we
took
where
our
teachers
live
and
we
overlaid
where
our
teachers
live
on
this
map?
Okay,
so
you
can
still
kind
of
see
the
yellow
with
Cave
Creek
up
there
on
the
right.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
teachers
that
live
up
in
our
school
district
boundaries.
K
However,
the
majority
of
our
teachers
live
in
those
other
school
districts
around
the
border
around
our
border
there,
where
they
can
stay
and
work
in
those
other
districts
and
make
more
money,
you
can
see
the
average
salary
that
they
could
make
again.
This
puts
us
in
a
disadvantage.
We
have
the
best
teachers
in
the
world
and
they're
very
loyal,
but,
like
I,
said
the
price
of
gas
inflation
and
things
that
are
happening.
That's
a
hard
argument
that
I
can't
counter
that
I
right
now,
financially,
we
can't
even
encounter
and
say
we
want
you
to
stay.
K
Can
we
pay
more
we're
not
in
a
financial
situation
to
do
that?
So
we
do
believe
the
override
would,
like
I,
said
catch
us
up
with
those
two
on
the
left
and
get
get
us
right
below
Scottsdale,
so
65
to
75
percent
of
the
monies
generated
for
the
override
it's
about
five
million
dollars
would
go
towards
staff
increases
teacher
increases
what
would
happen
with
the
other
25
or
so
well.
This
would
be
discussions
and
decisions.
We
would
have
with
our
governing
board,
but
Career
Technical
and
vocational
education
is
really
important
to
us.
K
Not
every
student
goes
to
college
and
it's
our
job
to
find
their
help
them
find
their
pathway
for
them
to
be
able
to
succeed.
We
recently
brought
a
law
enforcement
program,
we're
trying
to
work
with
Daisy
Mountain
to
have
almost
a
fire
academy
program.
We've
been
talking
to
Chief
Tobin
about
that.
We
don't
even
have
a
junior
ROTC
program
at
our
high
school.
K
We
don't
have
the
the
Army,
the
Marines,
the
Navy,
the
Air
Force,
and
so
we're
trying
to
help
our
kids
identify
what
their
passion
is
and
can
we
have
a
program
to
funnel
them
into
engineering
or
welding
or
coding.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
programs
that
support
us
with
evic,
but
we
feel
like
this
is
something
that
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
for
for
our
students,
student
safety
and
support.
K
You've
already
happened,
okay,
and
so
we
want
our
students
to
be
safe
and
our
staff
to
be
safe
and
there's
things
we'd
like
to
do.
We
have
police
officers
at
our
middle
school
and
our
high
school
additional
social
workers,
additional
counselors
we're
working
on
our
on
on
video
cameras,
upgrading
our
video
cameras
to
some
of
our
schools.
K
So
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
some
funding
for,
to
be
able
to
do.
We'd
like
to
reduce
our
student
fees
at
the
high
school,
it's
expensive
to
be
a
student
at
Cactus,
Shadows,
High
School!
Is
it?
How
much
is
it
to
play
athletics,
Marcy,
twenty
dollars
to
support
okay,
320
dollars
to
play
a
sport?
Folks,
I,
that's
embarrassing!
For
me
as
the
superintendent.
If
you
go
to
a
neighboring
District,
it's
probably
about
a
hundred
dollars.
This
isn't
warm-ups.
This
isn't
equipment.
K
This
is
to
be
able
to
play
the
sport
because
we
haven't
had
an
override
in
the
past.
We've
had
to
put
this
on
the
backs
of
our
parents,
which
I
don't
want
to
do.
I
want
to
reduce
the
parking
fees,
reduce
the
class
fees,
reduce
athletic
fees.
Kids
have
to
pay
a
fee
to
join
a
club
at
the
high
school
with
override.
We
can
reduce
that
and
make
it
easy
on
our
families.
We
know
our
families
can
afford
it,
but
they
just
shouldn't
be
paying
that
much.
K
We
want
to
keep
our
class
sizes
respectable
as
well.
Our
Elementary
class
sizes
are
good.
We
have
some
higher
class
sizes
at
the
high
school
and
override
allows
us
to
hire
some
more
teachers
and
you'll
see
the
word
up
there
hard
to
fill
positions
and
special
education
teachers
stipends
a
stipend
is
almost
like.
A
almost
like
a
signing
bonus.
You
sign
to
work
on
work
with
us.
We
can
pay
you
five
thousand
dollars
when
you
sign
to
come
and
work
with
us.
Our
other
districts
are
able
to
do
that
right
now.
K
We're
not,
and
some
teachers
are
very
hard
to
find
special
education
teachers
high
school
math,
High,
School
physics.
We
were
just
talking
to
Paradise
Valley
Community
College,
this
idea
of
high
school
physics.
Teachers
is
almost
disappearing
in
society
because
they
make
such
a
little
money
and
people
just
aren't
going
to
school
in
education
anymore.
So
these
would
be
some
of
the
other
things
that
the
other
programs
that
we
would
use
that
we
would
be
able
to
fund
over
with
override
monies,
and
then
this
last
slide
just
kind
of
summarizes.
K
What
I've
said
it
it
lines
up.
Some
of
our
unified
districts.
Remember:
Unified
district
is
elementary
schools,
middle
schools
and
high
schools.
It
has
our
competitors
there
does
that.
Did
the
community
support
those
districts
with
an
approved
Bond
on
the
left?
Yes
come
down
to
Cave
Creek
Unified:
no!
Did
the
community
support
them
with
an
override?
Yes,
all
the
way
down
in
Cave
Creek,
Unified
side,
no,
a
capital
outlay,
override,
there's,
mostly
no's
and
a
few
yeses,
and
then
you
can
see
our
starting
salary
and
then
the
average
salary.
L
L
So
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
and
give
everybody
kind
of
an
example
of
what
that
might
look
like
for
teacher
pay
and
staff
pay.
So
if
we
gave
everybody
a
13
increase-
and
this
is
just
an
example-
this
isn't
what
we're
committed.
We
have
to
work
through
the
process
with
the
budget
review
with
our
governing
board,
but
this
is
what
that
could
fund.
L
Now,
when
we
talk
about
classified
staff,
no
administrators
are
in
that
category.
Classified
staff
are
our
hourly
employees.
They
are
our
bus
drivers.
They
are
our
paraprofessionals
in
the
classroom.
They
are
maintenance,
people
they're
our
front
office
staff
at
the
schools,
so
that
is
the
group
of
people
that
would
be
receiving
the
funds
as
well
along
with
the
teachers,
because
when
we
do
our
research
and
I've
got
Taco
Bell
paying
15
an
hour
and
we're
paying
13.80.
L
L
So
when
you
look
at
the
average
home
assessed
value
so
assessed
value
is
not
what
you
could
sell
your
house
for,
but
it's
what
the
County
taxes
you
on
the
average
home
is
582
000
in
this
District.
Let
me
tell
you:
the
average
home
in
the
state
of
Arizona's
average
is
about
a
is
about
260
000..
So
this
is
one
of
the
wealthiest
districts,
if
not
the
wealthiest,
in
the
state
for
home
values,
and
there
was
actually
an
article
that
came
out
and
was
done
by
wallet.
L
So
we
we
have
that
of
fluency,
and
we
then
are
looking
at
with
this
average
home
of
ten
dollars
a
month.
So
122
dollars
a
year
is
what
the
impact
would
be
to
an
average
homeowner.
Now,
if
you
remember,
the
taxes
went
down
90
a
year
this
in
this
year
now
they
will
be
going
down
even
more
in
the
coming
year,
because
there
was
a
a
tax
elimination
from
our
property
tax
bills.
L
So
this
is
just
kind
of
a
snapshot
of
what
the
limited
property
value
taxes
are
and
those
limited
property
tax
values
they're
so
much
lower,
because
the
law
says
that
you
cannot
increase
the
value
of
your
property
taxable
value
more
than
five
percent
a
year.
So
it's
always
going
to
lag
behind
and
especially
since
we
know
that
home
values
really
increased
in
the
last
year.
So
you
can
see
the
difference.
K
And
yeah,
just
the
last
thing
I
I
would
say,
is
you
know
we
live
in
the
greatest
country
in
the
world.
I.
Don't
need
to
remind
the
council
about
that
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
who
have
died
to
preserve
our
freedoms,
and
one
of
the
great
things
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
is
is
make
our
voice
known
through
our
elections,
and
so
we
would
just
like
to
encourage
the
council.
K
Everyone
in
this
room
to
to
vote
on
November,
8th
and
the
elections,
there's
even
a
lot
of
people
who
live
on
the
face
of
the
Earth,
who
would
die
for
the
freedom
and
the
ability
to
cast
their
vote
in
an
election?
And
so
that's
our
presentation,
and
we
can
answer
any
questions
that
the
Town
Council
may
have.
A
K
Just
we
just
there
was
just
a
new
Statewide
assessment
that
was
implemented.
We
just
did
a
presentation
to
our
governing
board
on
the
recent
scores
that
we
had
anytime.
You
do
a
new
test.
The
scores
are
a
little
lower.
However,
what
I
will
say
is
I'm
really
proud
of
our
test
scores.
We
tested
Higher,
Than,
Paradise,
Valley,
Deer,
Valley,
Scottsdale
Scottsdale
had
us
in
a
few
areas,
but
to
not
that
I'm
competitive,
but
but
overall
I'm
really
proud
of
our
teachers
and
the
gains
that
our
our
kids
had.
K
We
had
98
of
our
students
graduate
from
Cactus
Shadows
High
School,
which
is
probably
close
to
the
highest
in
the
state
and
I,
will
say
the
ACT
score.
We
took
all
high
schoolers,
take
the
ACT
now
or
I'm.
Sorry,
all
of
our
Juniors
and
I
will
say
our
our
test
score
act
average
for
our
Juniors
last
year
was
higher
than
any
other
High
School
in
the
area,
so
I
think
there's
really
good
things
happening.
K
I
wouldn't
say
that
the
that
covid
didn't
hurt
students
I,
think
social
emotionally
I
think
it
was
challenging
for
students
I'm
very
proud
that
our
district
decided
to
go
back
to
school.
First,
we
met
the
needs
of
the
community.
We
became
masks
optional
faster
than
a
lot
of
our
neighbors,
so
I
I.
Don't
think
that
that
means
our
kids
didn't
have
a
gap
in
their
education,
but
I
would
assert
that
I
think
we're
in
a
lot
better
spot
than
our
neighboring
districts,
because
of
it
foreign.
C
K
You
know
what
at
the
secondary
I
would
have
to
I.
Think
our.
What
is
our?
Is
it
30?
What
does
it
say
in
our
policy
at
35.?
35
is
where
we
are
at
in
the
policy.
I,
don't
think
our
classes
get
to
that
size,
but
they
are
on
the
higher
end,
Elementary
we're
about
24,
but
some
of
our
non-elective
areas
are
or
I'm
sorry,
not
the
non-core
class
areas
like
outside
of
English
and
math,
and
science
and
social
studies.
Some
of
those
classes
are
a
little
higher
at
the
high
school
foreign.
A
F
Dr
Monroe
in
your
presentation
it
had
shown
that
65
to
75
percent
of
the
15
the
dollars
coming
in,
we
go
towards
teachers
and
the
staff.
Are
you
prohibited
in
increasing
that
number
to
say,
90
I
know
that's
a
balancing
act,
but
if
you
had
more
money
to
pay
the
teachers
and
staff,
possibly
you
would
go
beyond
Scottsdale
and
and
even
get
in
a
better
position
and
I.
You
know
it's
like
what
came
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg.
You
know
because
you
need
the
support
and
dollars
in
those
other
areas.
K
That's
why
the
example
we
used
was
13,
but
no
we're
not
prohibited,
so
that
certainly
could
be
more
and
again,
those
would
be
great
plans
and
conversations
with
our
governing
board
because
yeah,
it
could
have
us,
go
even
higher
on
our
teacher
average
salary
and
then
our
teacher's
starting
salary
as
well
to
be
able
to
attract
people
who
are
just
graduating
from
college
and
college,
so
so
yeah.
No
prohibition
to
to
that.
K
F
F
This
is
comments
I
hear
from
residents
in
my
neighborhood,
several
of
which
are
teachers
they'd
like
to
see
the
majority
of
that
money
go
to
towards
the
teachers
and
the
staff
members
realizing
there'd
still
be
a
shortfall
on
on
those
other
ideas,
but
yeah.
They
felt
that
was
more
important
to
track
better
teachers,
keep
them
longer
and
put
yourself
not
48th,
but
maybe
move
up
to
35.
K
That's
no
I
think
it's
a
no
it's
a
great
Point,
certainly
certainly
we'll
have
the
continue
to
have
those
conversations.
We
have
a
board
election
coming
up
as
well
in
November,
where
we
have
two
board
seats
coming
up
that
are
open,
that
we
have
candidates
buying
for
so
I
think.
That's
really
good
input,
I
appreciate
that
and
we're
looking
forward
to
hopefully
having
those
conversations.
F
M
Dr
Monroe
last
time,
you're
here
you
mentioned
the
number
51:
that's
the
market,
I'm
gonna
use
it
business
terms.
That's
your
market
share
of
the
students
and
you're
surrounded
by
big
districts.
We
have
10
000
in
our
district
and
20
and
30
000
districts
around
there
and
I
know
personal
cases
of
people
driving
past
our
schools
to
go
to
Pinnacle,
there's
one
working
at
the
Buffalo
Chip.
Probably
tonight
yes,
so
if
I'm
looking
at
this
as
a
business
person,
I'm
saying
hey,
If
the
product
isn't
attracting
any
more
than
51
percent.
K
That's
that's
the
elephant
in
the
room.
Governor
Ducey
is
very
proud
that
we
are
the
state
of
choice,
so
there
are
charter
schools
in
fact,
now,
there's
vouchers
that
you
can
take
and
you
can
take
a
voucher
and
you
can
actually
go
to
a
private
school
and
a
religious
school
and
taxpayers
will
pay
for
it.
So
this
is
the
elephant
in
the
room
is
how
do
we
attract
our
kids
and
we're
trying
to
change
that
Paradigm?
K
That's
what
kind
of
keeps
me
up
at
night,
I
believe
in
the
quality
of
Education,
that
we
provide
the
success
of
our
high
school
students,
the
universities
they
go
to
the
industries.
However,
our
capture
rate
is
52
percent.
I
will
tell
you
going
down
to
other
districts
their
capture
rates,
not
over
80
percent.
K
We
lose
a
lot
of
our
athletes
to
Pinnacle
or
other
schools
and
we're
trying
to
change
that.
We
have
a
new
head
football
coach,
we're
trying
to
change
the
trajectory
of
programs,
because
you
know
everyone's
student
is
going
to
the
NFL
right
and
and
high
schools.
We
need
to
attract
the
right
students.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
We
have
a
heavy
social
media
presence,
we're
trying
to
be
out
there
and
share
the
good
news,
there's
millions
of
good
things
that
happen
in
our
schools
every
day.
K
Who
are
perfectly
happy
so
we're
trying
to
figure
that
out,
because
we
need
to
shift
that
Paradigm
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
our
school
districts
are
are
going
through
the
same
thing.
I
just
met
with
superintendents
and
Scottsdale
is
down
about
600
Kids,
Paradise,
Valley's
down
about
a
thousand
kids
and
so
Public
School
enrollments.
If
you're,
not
in
a
growing
area,
is
down
in
general,
a
lot
of
kids
didn't
come
back
from
the
pandemic
and
if
you're
an
online
learner,
the
pandemic
was
exactly
what
those
companies
needed
to
help
them
with
online
learning.
K
A
A
A
C
N
Council
Sean
crew
advisor
utilities
director,
so
this
is
it's
a
huge
term,
but
it's
basically
formality
in
our
rate
setting
process.
It
actually
sets
our
clock,
we're
required
by
State
Statute
to
provide
this
notice
of
intent
when
we're
raising
utility
rates
and
or
capacity
fees.
What
this
does
is
it
sets
a
60-day
clock
for
us
so
60
days
from
now,
we'd
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
on
the
on
the
subjects
to
do
this
forward
and
30
days.
N
Prior
to
that
public
hearing,
we
actually
have
to
publish
the
the
documentations
the
report,
so
we've
had
a
couple
of
work
sessions
with
Council.
We've
got
some
good
feedback.
The
reports
are
being
finalized.
We
actually
do
before
the
next
hearing.
We
want
to
actually
talk
to
council
again
to
make
sure
that
before
the
report
gets
published,
that
we
have
heard-
and
we
have
everybody's
comments
together-
then
we're
actually
going
to
start
a
public
Outreach,
because
obviously
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
are
aware
of
this.
N
Our
customers
are
aware
of
this,
so
the
goal
is
with
tonight's
action
again
sets
the
clock.
We
would
be
before
October
20th
we'd.
Have
the
final
report
published
we're
open
much
before
that,
so
we
can
start
educating
people
and
getting
feedback
from
property,
our
customers
and
then
on
the
November
21st
date.
That's
actually
when
we
actually
asked
Council
to
adopt
the
utility
rates
and
we'd
hold
the
first
hearing
on
the
capacity
fee
updates
the
capacity
fees
actually
are
in
town
code
and
require
two
hearings.
The
rates
themselves
are
done
by
resolution.
N
J
A
J
C
C
Yeah
I
did
have
the
second
and
I
hope
that
the
community
will
see
that
one
of
our
really
important
things
to
do
is
to
structure
our
water
rates
to
encourage
people
to
use
less
water.
There
are
people
who
use
less
than
5,
000
gallons
per
month.
Our
house
included.
There
are
other
people
who
are
using
in
excess
of
twice
that
much
and
I'd
like
to
see
Progressive
rates
that
encourage
people
to
use
less
water.
C
A
All
right,
Council
anybody
any
other
comments.
All
those
unfair,
the
Motions
think
about
saying
aye
aye
opposed
it's
clear.
You
have
it
motion,
carries
7-0
in
item
number.
Three
counts
discussion
possible
approval.
If
resolution
number
R
2022-15
resolution
to
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona,
appointing
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek,
Town
manager,
Carrie
direct
as
Chief
Financial
Officer
of
the
town
for
the
purpose
of
submitting
the
annual
expenditure
limitation
report
to
the
Arizona
auditor
General's
office
for
the
fiscal
year,
2022.
G
O
Fairly
straightforward
resolution:
it's
done
every
year
and
the
past
two
years
it
was
done
and
I
talked
to
the
auditor's,
General's
office
and
asked
them.
Did
you
get
it?
Did
you
get
it
and
then
they
waited
and
waited
because
I
was
new.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
they
got
both
the
prior
year
and
this
year
and
then
they
came
back
and
they
said
we
got
it,
but
it's
wrong.
O
B
F
I'll
make
a
motion
motion
to
approve
resolution
number
r2022-15,
a
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona,
appointing
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
Town
manager,
Kerry
direct
as
Chief
Financial
Officer
of
the
town
for
purpose
of
submitting
the
annual
expenditure
limitation
report
to
the
Arizona
auditor
General's
office
for
the
fiscal
year.
2022.
C
A
A
Don't
think
we're
crazy,
listen
to
the
very
last
number
in
this
one,
because
it's
going
to
sound
very
similar
to
what
we
just
did
counts
discussion,
possible
approval
of
resolution,
number
R22,
2022-16
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
town
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona,
pointing
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek,
Town
manager,
Kerry
direct
is
Chief
Financial
Officer
of
the
town
for
the
purpose
of
submitting
the
annual
expenditure
limitation
report
to
the
Arizona
auditor
General's
office
for
the
fiscal
year
2023..
So
we
got
to
do
it
for
the
next
year
too.
A
A
To
it
all
those
opposed
nobody's
opposed.
Seven
zero
motion
carries
then
item
number
five
Council
discussion
and
approval
to
purchase
a
pm10
certified
sweeper
from
Norwood
equipment
for
a
mount
up
to
oh
wow,
313,
745
and
40
cents
placed
on
the
agenda
by
the
town,
engineer,
Mr,
Marin,
I.
Suppose
you're
going
to
tell
us
all
about
this
wonderful
street
sweeper.
D
I,
certainly
am
we
were
fortunate
enough
to
to
gain
an
award
from
or
not
award,
but
a
grant
from
Maricopa
County
Association
of
governments
that
are
known
as
mag.
That
will
provide
us
with
about
90
90
to
95
percent
of
the
overall
cost
will
be
reimbursed.
So
we
received
a
grant
of
273
564
dollars,
but
we
have
to
buy
the
thing
first
and
so
our
currently
we
have
two
sweepers.
One
of
them
is
a
12
year
old
sweeper.
D
That
currently
is
I
have
to
say,
maybe
in
the
shop
six
to
eight
weeks
a
year,
it's
costing
us
ten
to
twelve
thousand
dollars
a
year
just
to
maintain
it
and
keep
it
going,
and
we
have
a
new
sweeper
that
for
probably
about
forty
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
one
dollars
of
the
town's
money
will
replace
it.
So
it
seems
like
a
worthy
to
retire
to
the
old
girl
and
get
a
new
one
by
the
way
I'm
I
want
to
apologize
for.
D
F
M
D
F
D
We
have
about
30,
I
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
budget.
We
have
about
35
000
budgeted.
We
unfortunately
experienced
a
couple
of
increases
that,
between
the
time
you
put
in
the
Grant
and
the
time
you
can
actually
buy
it.
You
get
a
few,
you
get
some
increases
and
we
were.
We
bid
it
as
a
Schwartz
and
now
we're
getting
an
Elgin.
D
The
10
to
12
years
again
it
becomes
a
diminishing
return
where
it
starts
costing
you
more
in
equipments
and
parts,
because,
unlike
some
of
our
other
equipment,
this
one
is
picking
up
stuff.
That
probably
you
know
that
people
leave
on
the
streets
or
end
up
in
the
streets
and
it's
carrying
really
tons
of
material.
Each
time
we
clean
up
after
a
rainstorm
thank.
F
A
D
D
M
A
J
G
A
Yes,
motion
carries
7-0.
Next,
one
is
spending
money
again
to
council
discussion
agenda
item
number
six
Council
discussion
approval.
We
purchase
a
herco
trailer
mounted
vacuum
unit
with
exercise
exerciser
from
AZ
water,
Wastewater,
Industries,
Incorporated,
Prince
AWI
for
an
amount
up
to
eighty
thousand
dollars
and
I'm
betting
that
our
utilities
director
is
going
to
come
over
here
and
talk
to
us
about
this
thing.
This
is
something
we've
been
renting.
Isn't
it
pardon
was
that
mayor
we've
been
renting
this
function?
Yes,.
N
We
have
so
so
when
I
came
on
board
to
the
town
over
three
and
a
half
years
ago.
We
did
not
actually
have
a
similar
unit
to
this.
So
what
this
is
is
a
haul
behind
Vector
trailer
unit
that
we
can
pull
with
our
service
body
trucks.
It
has
multiple
functions.
It
has
a
vacuum
unit
that
allows
us
to
do
small
excavations,
clean
out
water
meters,
clean
out
valve
cans.
It
also
has
a
valve
this
one.
N
We're
requesting
the
purchase
actually
has
a
valve
exercise
machine
so,
instead
of
our
staff
actually
having
to
manually
turn
the
valves,
we
can
set
the
unit
onto
it.
It
would
functionally
work
and
start
setting
pressures
up
to
400
foot-pounds
per
inch
to
actually
twist
that
valve
open.
So
you
can
basically
set
and
forget
it.
While
it's
sitting
there
doing
its
thing
to
hopefully
break
some
valves
open
for
us,
it
actually
has
a
little
pressure.
N
Washer
system
pressure,
not
a
washer,
but
a
pressure
jet
system
for
the
excavation,
so
you're,
actually
liquifying
you're,
making
a
slurry
and
that's
what's
being
factored
up.
Typically,
it's
not
a
wet
vacuum.
It's
actually
a
hydraulic
one
and
this
one's
unique
and
the
fact
that
it
actually
has
a
hydraulic
accessory
unit
onto
it.
N
So
the
the
pump
unit
that
actually
Powers
it
actually
allows
us
to
get
auxiliary,
hydraulic
pumps,
saws,
Etc
that
we
can
tie
this
off
to
so
I
think
it'd
be
a
very
good,
useful
piece
of
equipment
to
add
to
our
Fleet.
We
have
been
renting
one
for
a
while
now
just
give
some
numbers,
we
have
500
or
5
000
beater
boxes,
so
this
will
allow
us
to
better
service
these.
We
have
over
100
miles
of
distribution
lines
and
we
actually
typically
get
about
120
breaks
between
the
lines
and
the
service
lines.
N
Every
meter
has
its
own
service
line
that
staff
have
to
respond
to.
We
have
1500
water
valves
in
the
system
and
that's
not
including
the
auxiliary
valves
that
are
tied
to
our
fire
hydrants.
We
have
over
600
fire
hydrants
in
the
system.
Also,
so
this
piece
of
equipment
would
allow
us
to
better
maintain
that
system.
We
have
been
renting
this.
N
We
wanted
to
try
out
different
systems
to
see
which
would
work
before
we
went
back
to
our
vendors
and
asked
them
to
give
us
quotes
you'll
see
as
part
of
the
attachment
we
had
three
vendors
in
total
provide
quotations
for
this.
We
believe
that
herco
unit
actually
best
meets
our
needs
and
actually
is
the
lowest
cost
unit.
The
bad
thing
is
that
the
unit
actually
has
35
weeks
as
if,
if
we
get
approval
tonight,
we
can
issue
them
a
purchase
order,
but
it'll
be
35
weeks
before
delivery
for
the
unit.
N
So
we're
asking
for
this.
This
is
the
valuable
tool
for
us
to
do
maintenance
and
also
deal
with
Gen
emergencies
on
the
system,
so
we
can
start
doing
excavations
in
an
emergency
situation
before
we
can
get
out
a
larger
truck.
This
will
not
eliminate
the
need
for
us
to
still
rely
on
the
larger
vacuum
trailers,
the
the
vac
truck
systems,
those
are
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
one
of
those
actually
I
think
three
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
we'll
still
be
using
them,
but
a
lot
less.
N
N
We
have
been
looking
at
Grant
opportunity,
mayor
and
council
member,
you
know,
unlike
say
the
pm10,
where
there's
actually
funding
Gates
distributed
to
mag.
Typically,
these
types
of
things
are
not
as
much
so,
but
we
continue
to
look
as
much
as
we
can
for
Grants,
but
there's
not
enough.
There's
none
available.
We
haven't
seen
any
for
this
type
of
a
universe.
N
I
believe
it's
a
one
year
and
then,
after
that
we
would
talk
to
the
manufacturer,
the
local
vendor,
the
local
supply
for
herco
is
a
company
called
AWI,
which
is
local,
so
we
could
look
to
have
them
help
us
service
the
unit
similar
to
the
sweeper
systems.
These
they
do
take
a
beating.
So
it's
something
that
we
would
manage.
We'd
want
to
have
a
service
contract
with
someone
to
help
them
come
out.
We
don't
have
our
own
Fleet
Services
here
in
the
town,
so
it'd
be
somewhere.
N
Would
estimate
we
could
probably
get
up
to
10
years
if
we
take
care
of
the
unit,
you
know
what
actually,
what
I've
seen
in
the
past
is.
You
know.
Sometimes
the
hydraulic
hoses
will
go.
The
vacuum
systems
will
have
problems
with
all
those
are
maintainable.
Eventually,
you'll
get
the
chamber
itself.
The
vacuum
chamber
will
start
to
rust
out
so
with
good
maintenance.
10
years
it's
pretty
much
a
no-brainer.
O
A
A
C
M
A
B
A
A
Guessing
that
the
reason
I've
got
a
lot
of
people
sitting
here
this
evening
is,
for
this
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
case
z-22-01
Vickers,
Council,
approval
of
first
reading
of
ordinance,
2022-02,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona
amending
the
official
town
of
Cave
Creek
zoning
map
by
changing
the
underlying
zone
of
a
parcel
totaling.
Approximately
two
and
a
half
acres
parcel.
P
Tonight
left
me
here,
mayor,
I'm,
gonna,
go
ahead
and
decide
to
sit
since
I
can't
reach
that
since
Sean
moved
it
up
more
Italian
there
I'm
sure
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
council
staff
is
here
this
evening
to
bring
forward
to
council
case
number
z-22-01
vicker
zone
change,
request
first
reading
of
ordinance
0
to
2022-02
out
of
twos.
It's
the
zone.
P
The
property
is
located:
two
Parcels
deep
north
of
northeast
corner
of
53rd
Street
and
Carefree
Highway
behind
existing
General
commercial
Zone
properties,
currently
occupied
by
Starbucks,
Don,
Edwards
and
Jiffy
Lube.
The
applicant
is
not
submitted
to
the
site
plan
review
application
as
they
intend
to
ask
for
consideration
to
amend
the
zoning
map
in
advance
of
finalizing
the
site
design,
including
preparation
of
grading
and
drainage
funds.
The
property
would
still
require
pre-application
conference
with
all
departments
prior
to
submittal
of
the
site.
P
This
case
was
presented
before
the
Planning
Commission
on
August
18
2020
2022,
where
the
commission
vote
unanimously
5-0
to
recommend
approval
for
case
z-22-01
with
one
commissioner
stating
quote
I
can
find
no
legal,
ethical
or
responsible
way
to
object
the
rezoning,
given
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
at
this
location.
End
quote
case
number
z-22-01
conforms
that
the
requirements
outlined
in
the
zone
change
application
and
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
Carefree
Highway
specific
area
plan.
P
G
P
H
H
P
P
P
P
M
M
A
P
Q
M
J
A
Yes,
sir,
the
understanding
on
this
and
I'm
reading
reading
a
a
a
statement
that
was
made
by
commissioner
Voris,
where
he
stated
that
the
site
plan
is
conceptual
and
is
part
of
the
requirement
of
the
application
for
a
rezoning
request.
The
primary
interest
night
is:
does
the
property
meet
the
requirements
for
rezoning?
The
site
plan
will
be
reviewed
at
a
later
date
and
then,
basically,
that's
exactly
where
we're
at
tonight
and
we
don't
we
don't
care
about
traffic.
We
don't
care
about
anything
else.
We're
just
does
it?
A
R
Mr
Mayor,
what
I
think
chairman
divorce
is
telling
you
that
this
gives
you
a
Peak
at
what
the
site
plan
will
be
at
the
point
when
you
have
the
greatest
discretion
to
say
yes
or
no.
This
is
a
legislative
act
tonight
and
it'll
be
it'll
culminate
with
a
second
read.
What
Mr
Voris
is
saying
to
you
is,
and
the
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
You
get
to
see
what
the
applicant
intends
to
do
before
you
grant
the
zoning.
R
This
is
your
greatest
latitude,
I,
think
the
point
you're
making
once
you
get
the
site
plan,
traffic,
Ingress
and
egress
setbacks.
That
is
all
administrative
ministerial,
and
if
the
applicant
meets
the
conditions,
you
have
to
approve
the
site
plan.
But
tonight
you
have
the
discretion
as
the
legislative
body
to
say
yes
or
no
on
the
zoning
and
what
Mr
Voris
is
saying
to
you.
R
You
get
to
see
what
the
applicant
intends
to
do
with
the
conceptual
site
plan,
but
there
will
be
a
future
site
plan,
but
there
there's
more
rigorous
analysis
as
to
when
you
can
say
yes
or
no
on
on
a
site
plan
approval,
because
it's
it's
ministerial
you're,
applying
you're,
applying
criteria
set
out
in
your
zoning
code.
Yeah.
A
J
J
The
developer
will
come
in
with
a
fully
configured
site
plan
with
you
know,
153
pages
of
notes
and
information,
and
that
way
that,
at
that
time
and
it'll
go
to
the
commission
first
and
if
the
commission
recommends
approval,
then
it'll
come
to
that.
Well,
no
matter
what
the
commission
does
it'll
come
to
the
council
and
the
council
will
then
make
a
decision
relative
to
that
specific
site
plan.
S
H
P
Well,
the
conceptual
conceptual
site
plan
of
what
that
applicant,
they
intend
to
move
forward
with
the
site
plan.
Application
is
what
is
required
throughout
the
process,
not
submitting
a
site
plan
application
concurrently
in
the
past,
from
to
the
best
Minos,
a
lot
of
applicants
did
submit
a
zone
change
along
concurrently
with
the
site
plan
application
to
move
the
process
moving
forward
quickly.
P
A
This
and
and
the
reason
that
that
area
back
there
is
is
part
of
the
s
p
was,
was
the
thought
process
at
the
time
was
for
medical
offices
and
possibly
assisted
living
for
people
who
didn't
want
to
leave
the
area
because
they
they
loved
it
up
here.
That
was
what
we
wanted
and,
and
this
sap
was
not
written,
tight
enough
to
actually
keep
the
homes
from
being
built
in
there.
To
begin
with,
that
was
not
ever
part
of
the
plan
was
to
have
a
a
more
dense,
dense
home
area.
M
H
R
Sims
here
Mr
mayor
council,
member
Morris,
I
agree
with
Mr.
The
mayor
you
have
to
you
have
to
apply
the
conditions
in
your
zoning
code
and
I
I
I.
Most
of
my
jurisdictions.
Don't
have
this
idea
about
a
conceptual
site
plan.
Land
use
is
something
that
you
get
to
decide
and
then,
for
the
reasons
the
mayor
just
described
it
sometimes
it's
very
expensive
to
undertake
the
site
plan,
and
so
they
want
to
make
sure
they
get
the
entitlements
before
they
occur
the
expense.
R
A
And
and
aft
after
granting
granting
the
the
zoning
changes
when
we
would,
we
would
ensure
that
the
the
use
and
the
site
plan
met
the
criteria
we
had
for
the
sap
and
commercial
buffer,
which
was,
as
you
recall
it
got.
It
got
pretty
a
lot
tighter
than
it
was
before
right,
Mr
Sims,
yes,
sir,
all
right.
F
Go
ahead,
one
comment
that
I
think
the
only
time
a
applicant
be
it
a
builder
developer,
would
come
in
in
addition
to
zoning
change.
Application
with
a
a
formal
site
plan
with
the
application
would
be
to
speed
up
the
process.
Yes,
he's
out
that
amount
of
money
he's
taking
a
risk
of
spending,
X
number
of
dollars
with
his
engineer,
land
plan
or
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
I
could
possibly
save
them.
F
D
A
J
E
P
Vacant
that
was
rezoned
I
want
to
say,
possibly,
probably
wouldn't
even
like
to
take
a
guess.
Vice
mayor
Smith,
because
I
was
possibly
still
working
elsewhere
at
that
time,
but
it's
prior
to
my
time
being
here,
but
it
has
been
vacant
for
quite
some
time.
We
did
have
a
couple
pre-ops
for
that
property,
but
nothing
moved
forward
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
because
they
had
to
rezone
the
other
parcel
that
was
adjacent
to
it,
because
no
one
is
currently
dr89.
Vice
mayor,
Smith,
okay,
thank
you.
M
P
Q
Doors
in
Flagstaff
have
one
of
my
employees
here:
Emilio
Rodriguez
and
he's
planning
on
coming
down
and
helping
us
expand
our
operation,
and
this
was
a
good
parcel
for
us
and
Tim
Spence,
who
is
the
current
owner
of
the
property?
He's
been
nothing
but
helpful,
I'm
trying
to
get
this
through
the
works,
but
you
know
we're
a
small
business,
we're
looking
to
expand.
We
don't
have
the
funds
or
the
means
to
be
able
to
go
through
rigorous
engineering
and
actual
site
plan.
Q
Approval,
I,
also
own
an
operated
structural
engineering
company
as
well,
and
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
many
of
the
the
town
terms,
the
the
town
requirements
and
it's
not
a
risk
that
we
as
a
company
are
willing
to
take
yeah.
So
that
leaves
us
at
trying
to
get
zoning.
That's
the
sole
intent
of
the
conceptual
site
plan
is
to
get
the
dr89
rezoned
to
commercial
buffer,
so
we
have
a
chance
at
expanding
our
operation,
so.
F
Q
Q
F
G
R
R
S
All
right,
thank
you,
hi,
my
name
is
Philip
Hopper
I
live
in
the
property
adjacent
to
where
the
proposed
changes
and
we're
a
new
development
there
and
we
are
not
going
to
be
a
buffer,
were
adjacent
to
this
property.
Half
of
our
property
will
be
next
door
to
this.
When
you
guys
approved
the
Housing
Development
that
went
in
with
the
smaller
Lots
half
of
your
buffer
was
taken
away.
So
now
we
have
a
residential
area
and
you're
wanting
to
put
a
commercial
buffer
in
right
next
door.
S
S
S
So
this
has
a
lot
of
problems
for
us,
plus
the
fact
that
this
commercial
development
along
the
highway
is
going
to
have
a
new
McDonald's
going
in
within
the
next
year.
That's
going
to
increase
the
traffic
by
about
four-fold
over
what
it
is
now,
so
that's
going
to
be
on
top
of
the
traffic
with
this
development.
I
think
it
would
be
a
much
better
idea
to
have
this
property
kept
as
residential
and
put
some
houses
in
there.
S
T
T
T
My
neighbor's
talking
about
small
lot
residential
I'm,
not
certain
that
I
agree
with
the
applicant
and
his
characterization,
that
he's
not
Manufacturing
I,
think
it's
a
safe
premise.
Well,
first
of
all,
let
me
back
up
for
42
years,
I've
been
a
home
builder
and
developer
I've
built
my
first
spec
house
when
I
was
26
years
old
I
spent
the
last
31
years.
32
years
in
Las,
Vegas
I've
lived
here
for
one
year.
T
My
wife
and
I
moved
here
to
be
close
to
our
daughter,
son-in-law
and
grandbaby,
who
is
one
I'm
no
longer
active
building
and
developing
I
still
have
the
fire
in
the
belly,
but
I'm
68
years
old.
It's
in
my
rear
view,
mirror
so
to
speak,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
what
this
young
man's
doing.
I.
First
of
all,
I've
been
in
this
guy's
shoes.
T
Before
he's
he's
right
in
the
middle
of
the
grind,
I've
been
there
I've
done
that
I
support
that
right
and
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
begrudge
the
owner
from
selling
his
property
and
I,
don't
begrudge
a
developer
from
developing
his
property.
We
have
to
think
about
the
use
and
when
it
comes
to
garage
doors,
if
you
take
those
parts
and
partially
assemble
them
or
inventory
them,
it's
tantamount
to
Manufacturing
and
I
can't
get
there
to
say.
I,
just
can't
get
there
that
commercial
can
be
used
as
a
manufacturing
use.
T
T
Well,
if
he's
occupied
and
occupying
the
whole
building
and
if
garage
doors
or
his
business,
it's
at
least
at
minimum,
a
partial
manufacturing
and
I
just
respectfully
submit
I
think
that
use
is
too
heavy.
So
it's
you
got
two.
You
got
a
thing
here
called
zoning
is
what
we're
here
for,
but
now
it's
about
the
use.
So
my
question
to
staff
is
under
commercial
zoning.
I'm
talking
to
you,
Mr
planning
director,
is
under
commercial.
Zoning
is
a
permitted
use
the
manufacturing
or
assembly
it's
garage
doors.
A
C
R
R
Comment
well,
I
just
think
we
I
have
not
talked
the
the
the
the
question
is,
what
is
assembling
manufacturing
is
an
appropriate
item
to
discuss
what
I'm
hearing
I'm,
not
I've,
not
looked
at
this.
If
the
planning
department
has
decided
that
assembling
components
is
commercial,
then
I
I've
not
looked
at
it,
I
don't
know.
Have
you
guys
looked
at
that
I'm
talking
to
the
Mr.
P
Sims
based
off
previous
conversations
with
the
applicant,
there
is
no
intentions
to
manufacture
the
garage
door.
Is
there
it
was
solely
to
store
the
garage
doors
there.
If
anyone
needed
assistance
with
replacing
a
garage
door
or
anything
for
that
capacity,
they
would
load
up
a
truck
and
then
take
it.
Okay,
no
manufacturing
whatsoever.
They
would
take
the
partis
as
need
be.
They
would
not
be
assembling
the
garage
door
within
the
facility
based
off
conversations
with
the
applicant
Mr
Sims.
R
A
T
F
A
R
R
A
This
is
from
gentlemen.
You
know
for
crying
out
loud,
oh
Travis,
lemires,
lemires
and
his
comments.
He
opposes
his
comments.
I
am
con
a
concerned
homeowner
who
lives
in
the
Venture
AT
Black
Mountain
subdivision
I'm,
strongly
against
the
rezoning
of
the
two
and
a
half
acre
parcel
from
dr89
to
commercial
buffer
due
to
increased
traffic
safety
and
the
general
welfare
of
the
citizens
of
the
town
of
Cave.
Creek.
A
Access
to
these
retail
spaces
will
bring
more
traffic
coming
down
53rd
streets
with
pet
ends
at
the
entrance
to
our
community
residents
of
the
community
on
the
streets,
and
we
have
have
to
pay
for
the
repairs
of
any
damage
to
Street
curves
Etc.
We
do
not
have
a
gate
interest
in
the
community
with
our
families,
some
of
the
small
children.
It
won't
be
dangerous
with
the
added
traffic
from
these
businesses
coming
and
trying
to
turn
around
in
our
community
and
a
greater
possibility
of
damaging
our
streets.
A
Also,
there's
bus
stops
in
the
area
for
families
and
with
and
with
these
added
retail
businesses,
work
and
delivery
trucks
and
employees
coming
and
going.
This
will
only
add
to
the
safety
issue.
The
light
at
53rd
Street
does
not
have
a
left
turn
lane
or
any
marked
lanes,
and
it's
not
aligned
to
match
the
southern
side
of
53rd
across
Carefree
Highway,
which
will
add
more
confusion
and
congestion
would
assume.
A
The
traffic
study
would
need
to
be
done
on
53rd
Street
with
turn
Lanes
installed
into
these
new
retail
spaces
per
the
generic
site
plan
submitted
by
Mr
Vickers.
It
has
the
loading
dock
facing
north,
which
is
the
same
side
as
the
community.
Mr
Vickers
also
has
a
two-story
building
in
multiple
retail
spaces
when
there
are
currently
no
two-story
building
in
the
immediate
area.
I
would
ask
tonight
that
you
take
into
consideration
for.
D
F
F
My
question
that
I
asked
before
that
I
re-ask
is
that
you
are
going
to
get
the
panels
already
made
the
shipped
to
you,
correct,
you're,
not
going
to
manufacture
them,
you're,
not
going
to
cut
them
out
you're,
not
going
to
press
them
you're
not
going
to
shape
them.
You're
not
going
to
form
them.
Is
that
correct
that.
F
So
you're
going
to
go
to
a
overhead
garage
door,
manufacturer
and
Order
X
number
of
units
in
certain
sizes
and
designs
and
store
it
there.
The
rails
are
standard.
Obviously
the
Springs
are
different
sizes
and
pounds.
And
yes,
so
it's
there
will
be
no
manufacturing
there,
none
other
than
perhaps
a
cup
of
coffee
or
something
correct.
Okay,
maybe.
A
M
F
I
I
just
have
another
comment
to
make
that
that
two
and
a
half
acres
is
just
about
exactly
the
same
size
as
that
parcel
that's
built
on
by
Meritage
to
the
East,
and
if
that
were
residential,
there
could
possibly
be
two
four
six
seven
houses
in
there
and
I'm
assuming
they'd
all
have
two-car
garages
and
I'll.
Also
assume
there'd
be
two
cars
per
lot.
So
you'd
have
14,
possibly
14
additional
cars
in
there.
F
Perhaps
more,
but
I
was
going
to
ask
the
same
question:
unless
you've
got
gonna,
have
three
quarter:
ton
half
ton
one
ton,
one
ton
trucks
more
than
14,
which
I
doubt
one
you'd
start
out,
so
you
would
have
less
traffic
with
this
intended
use
and
it's
a
shame.
I
agree.
You
need
all
that
parking,
but
it's
a
requirement
and
you've
satisfied
it.
G
J
Mayor
yeah
I'll
just
mention
one
thing
that
if
somebody
made
a
decision
that
it
would
be
potentially
residential
that
we
do
require
a
zoning
change
to
commercial
buffer
yeah,
essentially
the
same
difference.
There
is
one
other
thing
I
want
to
mention.
That
is
the
fact
that
proximate
to
the
parcel
with
the
31
homes
on
it
is
something
that's
in
the
town
of
Carefree,
yeah
I.
Think
it's
called
Lowe's
now
Lowe's
to
me
is
is
a
heck
of
a
lot
bigger
operation,
probably
than
what
you're
talking
about.
J
So
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
that
big
as
unusual
a
modification
to
the
area
as
a
true
heavy
duty,
commercial
Enterprise
would
be
where
there
is
manufacturing
a
lot
of
noise.
This
is
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
people
that
are
taking
narrow
panels
and
taking
them
out
to
some
place
and
then
putting
them
together,
attaching
them
to
rails,
and
so
the
people's
garage
doors
actually
function.
J
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
since
it
the
general
plan
has
this
as
commercial
buffer.
The
uses
will
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
uses
under
commercial
buffer.
Very
telling
in
in
our
notes.
Here
is
is
Mr
Lamar,
who
was
a
an
attorney?
Who
is
an
attorney?
Who
was
at
the
AG's
office?
Who
understands
a
lot
of
things
and
his
statement
once
again?
A
Was
the
neighbors
have
a
lot
of
valid
question
concerns
and
they
will
be
assured
as
we
go
along,
that
those
will
be
resolved
with
the
staff
in
the
commission
at
the
appropriate
time
legally.
What
we
have
to
consider
tonight
is:
is
this
request
to
rezone
appropriate
under
the
general
plan?
That
answer
is
yes
for
rezoning,
and
it
is
I
can
find
no
legal,
ethical
or
responsible
way
to
object
to
rezoning,
given
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan
at
this
location,
we
I
believe
set
ourselves
up
for
for
trouble.
A
If,
if
we
do
not
do
not
approve
this,
having
said
that,
I
will
make
the
motion
to
approve
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2022-02,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona
amending
the
official
town
of
Cave
Creek
zoning
map
by
changing
the
underlying
zone
of
a
partial
totaling.
Approximately
2.5
acres
parcel.
A
G
R
We
would
yes,
sir,
it
would
be,
but
I
think,
where
I'm
going
I
truly
think
that
the
discussion
is
like
when
council
member
Silva
was
was
kind
to
or
me
I
forget
who
it
was
contrasting.
The
magnitude
of
traffic
I
truly
think
you're
allowed
to
generically
look
at
traffic
to
make
sure
you're
adhering
to
the
general
plan
concept
of
a
buffer
where
the
mayor
was
going.
I,
don't
think
you
could
turn
this
down,
because
you
think
the
traffic
study
suggest
you
need
a
light
at
a
certain
intersection.
That's
that
is
the
side
plan.